IRC log for #wowuidev on 20130214

00:00.06Semlar|Laptopi should say any time unsecure code touches secure code
00:00.26Semlar|Laptopin a way that modifies it
00:15.46NeffiAFAIK taint refers specifically to setting variables
00:16.32NeffiVariables are secure or insecure. As soon as you write a value to a variable, it's insecure. (That includes any FrameXML-defined functions you call, which may set variables on your behalf, since the call originated from your code.)
00:17.32Mr_Rabieshmmm
00:17.37VIadSemlar http://imgur.com/gallery/FiJ2DFW
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00:40.00pompylesigh.. here's the new viral stupid photo people keep sharing on facebook http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s480x480/382341_482578808473353_1292260991_n.jpg
00:41.09Semlarthe alignment being off is bothering me
00:41.57Mr_Rabieslol the dragon....apparatus in the background
00:42.30Semlarfurries
00:42.48Mr_Rabiesand the background art picture too
00:42.51Mr_Rabieshttp://i.imgur.com/vlMjEgF.jpg is the original
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00:45.07kd3whee, finally pushed the new build to the launcher
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00:52.32foxlitoh hey, they fixed the UIFrameFlash call in TalentUI
00:53.13pompyhttp://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=482578808473353&set=a.154775747920329.35101.100001637131925&type=1 26k shares.. i hates ppl
00:53.19foxlitSo that's one less way you can prevent people from changing talents.
00:53.42kd3emails out (hopefully not in the spam folder)
00:54.54kd3boo, blizz. don't reset realm-wide progress on the ptr
00:57.09foxlit... but didn't catch MicroButtonPulseStop. B+ for effort, but will still break in nasty ways :/
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01:30.30kd3hah. anzu's up on the bmah. 25k and it's still got 'long' to go
01:30.55MysticalOSnothing important kd3? did you notice the big thing they did in talent frame?
01:31.06MysticalOS-UIFrameFlash(self.learnButton.Flash, 0.7, 0.7, -1);
01:32.26End_nothing too big he said
01:32.51End_but, it's a big deal but not a big change ;-p
01:33.07MysticalOSi guess
01:33.08MysticalOS:P
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02:05.57AckisWorkanyone remember an image from back in the vanilla days of wow showing a raid composition which had robots as hunters, water coolers as mages, etc?
02:07.53Ackislol like I work
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02:28.43p3limGod damnit, right in the middle of something and windows decides that now would be a great time to force a restart without any notice
02:29.00p3limLost everything :/
02:30.49p3limGive me support for games on linux and I'll kick this cunt off my harddrive
02:37.12Therzokp3lim: your prayer will be answered by valve
02:38.35Torhalpompy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjVS3lcQ5w&feature=youtu.be
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02:57.57Shirikmy parents sent me chocolate covered strawberries :D
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03:00.22alestaneHard to find anything to object to in that.
03:01.29smcnfrom sherry's berries?
03:06.12Shirikyes actually
03:22.59karl_w_wshari's!
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03:39.34Jamashsup doods
03:42.49kd33bg, 1 sbs, 1 bg, 1 sbs, 1 aco/1haru, 1 sbs
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04:02.48Eridiuswowpedia is nonresponsive and wowprogramming is closing connections before the page finishes downloading. Anyone else having issues like this?
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04:06.40AmarandeEridius: seems like there's a general plague afflicting connections related to wow in general
04:06.54EridiusAmarande: I had to break down and visit wowwiki to find the info I wanted :O
04:07.10AmarandeEven the game itself. I just lagged out of Ysera server a few minutes ago and took several minutes to be able to get back, and apparently people are getting booted with subsequent login difficulties quite often lately
04:07.19Eridiuseep
04:07.23Amarandeit's disrupted quite a few raids, according to the forums :|
04:07.24EridiusI had no problems logging into Nordrassil
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04:08.07Jamashkitties http://imgur.com/gallery/EnJ53Fh
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04:11.06AmarandeI wonder if we're being subjected to intersection attacks from Anonymous, or some sort. :|
04:11.32Amarandeintersection attacks meaning, the DDoS is going down a common connecting path and cutting off all sorts of stuff
04:11.48Amarandelike when you're stuck at the intersection in your car because everyone's zooming at 75 down the highway you're waiting to get on and no one lets you in :P
04:14.42Amarandegiven that it seems like anon are always attacking *something*, I'd reckon we're lucky it doesn't happen more often *sigh*
04:21.17karl_w_whttp://www.lamebook.com/seriously-forever-alone/
04:37.05Jamashman'te teo?
04:37.29karl_w_wlol
04:38.19Jamashthe internet says "manti te'o"
04:38.27Jamashwe regret the error
04:55.04TC-workDammit Origin, stop releasing games i want to play.
04:55.44kd3eh, my answer to that is easy. "Only on origin? Nope."
04:56.14TC-workAs much as i dislike it, playing the game > dealing with origin.
04:58.53Jamashpirating > origin
04:59.22Amarandeheh, at first I'm thinking like ... New game from Origin? Where? Where?
04:59.26Amarandethen reality set back in. :(
04:59.38AmarandeUltima was a favourite of mine back in the good old days.
05:00.03JamashMine too, by way of watching my sister play U7
05:00.18TC-workThat's kinda creepy Jamash
05:00.23AmarandeI at least hope EA's started to get the art of downloadable gaming down better now.
05:00.34JamashHow so?
05:00.48AmarandeJamash: as in, has perfected it since the horridness that was DA:O's DLC system
05:01.04AmarandeDA:O was great, the DLC campaigns were great, but the DLC verification system handled like the proverbial shopping cart. :P
05:01.12JamashI meant that towards TC
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05:01.45Jamashalso I feel old
05:02.00TC-workThink disgusting thoughts and you should arrive at where i am.
05:02.20Jamashat first I thought dark age of camelot and as very confused
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05:02.27Jamash*was
05:02.34Amarandealso speaking of Origin, EA seems to have pretty much lied once again *sigh*
05:02.41JamashSHOCKING
05:02.49Amarandedespite the whole "oh we're going to leave bioware alone" thing ...
05:03.01Amarandeyeah, Bioware seems to be going down exactly the same path Origin did :(
05:03.25Amarandewe'll know if DA3 gets rushed out the door half finished this Christmas, I suppose :S
05:04.03JamashI think swotor should have told you everything you need to know
05:04.13AmarandeI've still never even tried SW:TOR
05:04.25AmarandeI might pick up the cheapest gamecard at some point just so I can see what there is to see
05:04.49Amarandeit's kind of interesting in a way that they let Bioware go forward with that, though
05:04.58Jamashplastic people in space
05:05.17Amarandefor the longest time, EA would refuse to entertain any other MMOs, and even canceled a couple that had been announced
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05:05.29Amarandebecause they refused to allow a game to be released that would compete with Ultima Online
05:05.31Jamashseriously the skin textures look worse than lego star wars
05:06.05AmarandeI remember when I got Ultima IX, the back of the CD case had an advert for UO2, which got canned not too long after that heh
05:06.07JamashI'm going to guess that you don't cancel a project that you've sunk nine figures into
05:06.08smcnit's because star wars is a huge property and bioware is a huge rpg name, on paper sw:tor should have been a cash machine
05:06.24smcntoo long in development and an outdated business model killed it really
05:06.41Amarandesmcn: the subscription MMO model still works fine for WoW :)
05:06.42smcnit started development when every mmo was still coming out with a monthly subscription
05:06.44Jamashdoes anyone have a real number for the budget?
05:06.49smcnnow wow is the only one left and everything else is f2p
05:07.19Amarandesay, speaking of too long in development
05:07.22smcnwow came out at the peak of the subscription model, if wow came out today it would be f2p without a doubtr
05:07.25Amarandehow well did Duke Nukem Forever do when it actually made it out?
05:07.34nebula169terrible
05:07.47Jamashah, I was right, $200,000,000
05:07.54Amarandeit's also interesting that too *long* in development would be bad, apart from the cash matters
05:08.03Amarandeafter all, we don't like rushed releases, right?
05:08.16Amarandeso you'd think that it would be just perfect for a game to spend years in dev so it can come out absolutely perfect, no?
05:08.16JamashI like good releases
05:08.30Jamashlong or short is immaterial
05:08.31Amarandeof course, by that logic, DNF should have been the best game ever
05:08.35kd3there's a difference between good and perfect
05:08.46kd3or "perfect" in the case of DNF
05:08.55Jamashnothing's perfect
05:09.22Amarandeseeing as it's not only had the longest game dev cycle in history, but also probably (unless you count things like all the versions of Windows and Office as single products), the longest dev cycle of any commercial software ever released
05:09.38JamashDNF? I doubt it.
05:09.59AmarandeJamash: the only things I can think of that are longer are certain FOSS projects that are constantly under revision ... like sendmail and such
05:10.29Amarandeor, if you count the entire version history of Windows as "a single commercial software product"
05:10.45Jamashmy dad says Bill Gates was promising a DirectX-like API for MSDOS in the 80s
05:11.26Jamashusually projects like that don't get formally announced and previewed though
05:12.16durcyndirectx was an acquisition though, was it not?
05:12.20JamashDNF is exceptional only because it was announced and then went away for a decade then actually came out
05:12.43Amarandebefore that, I'm pretty sure longest game dev record belonged to Ultima IX
05:12.51Amarande*maybe* the first Dragon Age
05:13.11Amarandeyeah, possibly DA:O, since I seem to remember BioWare making noises about that around the time the first Neverwinter Nights was still relatively new
05:13.30Jamashwell they didn't produce anything for 10+ years so I wouldn't be surprised if MS took their standard approach
05:13.44Amarande(also again only thinking of commercial products, after all things like Nethack have been around for decades)
05:14.03Jamashwhich is to buy companies with better technology and then ruin it
05:14.25Amarandeand it's not really fair to yardstick FOSS and commercial projects on the same ruler, anyway, since FOSS projects usually never really truly exit development :)
05:14.59Jamashare you arguing with yourself Amarande?
05:15.17AmarandeJamash: sounds like EA's standard approach, buy companies that make great games and then ruin them
05:15.32JamashEA is the Microsoft of video games
05:16.02JamashUnfortunately for them, Microsoft is also the Microsoft of video games
05:16.04Amarandealthough it's not entirely clear what Microsoft's central objective would be to "ruin" those other technologies, as opposed to simply incorporate them into Windows
05:16.10Amarandewhereas EA's goal is pretty clear
05:16.31JamashAmarande: you say potato, I say potato
05:17.11Amarandeit seems likely that it's, while sucking the life out of these other companies, to probably use the money made from their last few sadder and sadder games that sell on name power to pay for the stupidly expensive licences they have to keep up every year for EA Sports heh
05:17.47JamashTake Internet Connection Sharing, one of the components of Win98SE
05:17.51Amarandeone gets a certain impression that as far as video games go, America runs on Madden. :P
05:18.16Amarandeit's really quite ... maddening, actually. :|
05:18.33nebula169can't really consider DNF's dev time to be the span between when they first announced it and when it was released, they started over with different teams like four or five times
05:18.39AmarandeInternet Connection Sharing. You mean that thing nobody ever really uses? :)
05:18.45Jamashit was a third party product. MS bought the company, removed most of the features of the product, incorporated the rest into windows
05:19.05JamashI tried!
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05:19.58AmarandeI'm not even sure if 8 still even has ICS
05:19.59JamashWe were on dialup and I wanted to share it via 10BT
05:20.09Jamashyes, it does.
05:20.17Jamashit's still shit
05:20.35karl_w_wlet me guess, it still can't share any modem-based connection?
05:20.42Jamashoh 8, not sure, 7 does
05:21.13Amarandekarl: which is about the only reason you'd want to share a connection via a fixed PC as opposed to just sparing yourself the pain and torture and gnashing of teeth and just going out to Radio Shack and getting a router?
05:21.24JamashTry getting an xbox 360 online via ICS while also sharing media between the PC and the 360 sometime
05:21.26Amarande... which may result in pain and torture and gnashing of teeth itself depending on the router, of course ... ROFL
05:22.10JamashI think I got it working with the modem way back when
05:22.11AmarandeI guess next time I need a router upgrade I start to look at things like Buffalo, and maybe even Apple of all things
05:22.47Jamashhaven't used a modem in years thank IEEE
05:23.52Jamashso I was trying to share media between a Microsoft Windows PC and a Microsoft Xbox 360 using Microsoft Windows Internet Connection Sharing
05:24.17AmarandeThere is try and do not, there is no do? :)
05:24.50JamashNaturally, it didn't work even a little until I found a hack to allow me to turn off the firewall between the PC and the Xbox
05:24.56karl_w_wbillion make the best modems and routers
05:25.13karl_w_wwell, other than the really expensive ones
05:25.27karl_w_wbut i forget what they are called in north america, don't think it's billiob
05:25.30karl_w_wion*
05:25.32Jamashbecause you see windows treats its OWN PRIVATE NETWORK as unknown and therefore untrusted
05:26.03Jamashffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
05:27.08JamashNow I use a repurposed wifi router running DD-WRT
05:27.24Jamashas a wireless bridge
05:27.55Jamashoddly enough, it works better than the OEM firmware ever did
05:28.05Amarandekarl: whatever you do, don't get linksys in the future
05:28.16Amarandethey're apparently being sold to belkin, who make the shittiest routers known to man pretty much
05:28.20JamashI concur with Amarande
05:28.44karl_w_wobviously
05:28.51karl_w_wsame story with d-link
05:29.06JamashD-link has done pretty well by me actually
05:29.15Amarandeseriously, apart from the lack of ipv6 (unless using dd-wrt) and wireless N, an old WRT54G outperformed the belkin router I tried :|
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05:30.00Fiskeri once d-link'd a guy
05:30.09Jamashcool story brony
05:30.35Fiskerare you upset?
05:30.37karl_w_wwww.draytek.com is where you go if you want to spend all your monies at once
05:30.46Jamashbeyond words
05:33.22JamashI'm an inferno of rage
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05:36.26Fiskerhey bluspacecow
05:36.34bluspacecowherro
05:36.53bluspacecowhttp://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+Teardown/12842
05:36.56bluspacecowjelly?
05:37.03kd3saw that. a 1/10
05:37.08kd3is impressed
05:37.14bluspacecow*wince*
05:37.18bluspacecowoh rly ?
05:37.43bluspacecowya rly
05:38.19Jamashoh they finally released the coffee table?
05:38.35Fiskerold bluspacecow ?
05:38.37TC-workThat was 'released' a while ago
05:39.24Jamashis Spudger really a word?
05:54.39karl_w_wWhy does a meat eater poop smell worse than a vegetarian’s when there is a bowel movement? The answer to this one is simple.  The human body does not really digest meat.  It only processes the fat and the actual meat literally rots in your system before it is excreted through a bowel movement.  To understand this process one just needs to understand the term “rabbit starvation”.  This term is from the reality that rabbit meat has no fat
05:54.44karl_w_wis that true?
05:56.54ccoxsounds like B.S. to me --- otherwise how would you get protein from the meat?
05:57.14ccoxand I'm sorry, but rotting vegetables still stink
06:00.14karl_w_whttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation seems there may be an element of truth to it
06:00.32karl_w_wbut the writer clearly didn't understand properly
06:00.59Adysis there a trope on writers deciding to kill a minor character, then they severely wound a major character along with the other one, make it look like the major character dies, but oh no, it lives; doesn't matter that the shooter is an expert assassin or a serial killer, the bullet just grazes or whatever, no, doesn't bother to check.
06:01.03Adysis there a fucking trope for that.
06:02.31Fiskerwe could do a comparison karl_w_w
06:03.34karl_w_wim huge Fisker you don't stand a chance
06:05.47karl_w_whttp://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/14/this-is-what-the-nbn-debate-has-come-to/ coffee getting you down?
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06:09.23bluspacecowhttp://www.3news.co.nz/Dick-Smith-advertisement-deemed-too-rude/tabid/313/articleID/284195/Default.aspx
06:09.25bluspacecowlololol
06:10.34karl_w_wrofl
06:10.58karl_w_wthey used to sell matches called dick heads
06:11.02Fiskermy feet are cold
06:11.12karl_w_wwhich was a play on the popular brand here redheads
06:12.45p3limAnyone got a suggestion for an aluminium case that fits mATX?
06:12.57karl_w_wyes
06:13.03karl_w_wbuy one from a shop
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06:13.40Fiskeri'm sick
06:14.00p3limhe admits it :o
06:18.50bluspacecowhe?
06:21.45pompyhttp://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/856697_10151498544322792_1866639574_o.jpg
06:21.48pompyoh ok facebook
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06:36.52Eridiusanyone know how I can get info about whether an item's been upgraded (and by how much)?
06:36.58EridiusGetItemInfo() returns the original ilvl
06:37.17EridiusI really hope I don't have to parse the tooltip for this
06:37.28karl_w_wshopped pompy
06:37.31karl_w_wSHOPPED
06:48.55bluspacecow*gasp*
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06:55.05p3lim_Why is freenode booting me constantly :s
06:55.18Thunder_ChildWhat did you do to it?
06:55.31p3lim_barely anything :/
06:57.52karl_w_wnew thing: dipping salted corn ships in nutella
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07:10.10bluspacecowhttp://deconectat.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/top-funny-source-code-comments/
07:10.19bluspacecowlol at "Magic.do not touch."
07:12.05bluspacecowException up = new Exception("Something is really wrong.");
07:12.13bluspacecowthrow up; //ha ha
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07:51.41PrimerDude in the zone with galleon says he's "about to spawn"
07:52.18PrimerIs he a troll or is Galleon that predictable?
07:54.30Semlarwe helped someone make an addon that tracked galleon kills a while back
07:55.28Semlari'm not really sure how predictable his spawn time was
07:56.22PrimerOh, I'm very familiar with the addon
07:56.38PrimerI've modified it to respond with the definition of galleon from wikipedia
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07:56.58Primer"A galleon was a large, multi-decked sailing ship used primarily by European states from the 16th to 18th centuries."
07:57.01PrimerIs what it says
07:57.04Primerand that's all it says
07:57.36Semlaras it should
07:58.02Primerit's going nuts right now
07:58.15Primerbunch of people typing !galleon in /1
08:01.01Semlaraccording to wowhead his spawn time is 2-4 days
08:01.30PrimerThis guy claims he has a good change to spawn exactly at the 48 hour mark
08:02.03Semlarpossibly if the server restarted 48 hours ago
08:02.12Semlari'm not really sure from this description
08:03.24Semlarthe odds of him spawning certainly go up from 0 to more than 0 which is basically an increase of infinite
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08:34.15jnwhitehEridius: wowprogramming is operating fine right now
08:34.50jnwhitehEridius: if there's a specific page, I can look at that
08:35.03jnwhitehbut even the forums listing only takes 10s
08:35.16jnwhitehand there's a stunning lack of caching on that page :P
08:35.53zenzioone does not simple cache into Mordor
08:35.57zenzio... simply
08:36.05zenzioy i fale :(
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08:38.40Semlargently pats zenzio
08:39.34Eridiusjnwhiteh: earlier I tried looking at the Events Listing page and it would truncate partway into the list. I can try again
08:39.49Eridiusnope, seems to be working now
08:40.19jnwhitehdont have any issues on that server atm
08:40.28jnwhitehand that page is very cached =)
08:40.30jnwhiteh21ms
08:40.41Eridiuswell, all I know is it dun broked earlier :P
08:40.45jnwhitehheh
08:40.55jnwhitehwell you had issues with multiple sites, maybe your side was messing something up =)
08:41.05EridiusI wasn't the only one having trouble with sites
08:41.17jnwhitehnp
08:41.23jnwhitehwell nothing i could have done about it, and it seems to be fine now
08:41.31Semlarproblem solved forever
08:41.32jnwhitehbut ping me directly and i'll help as much as I can =)
08:41.46Eridiusjnwhiteh: I'll keep that in mind next time
08:42.07jnwhiteh*always* ping me with issues on wowprogramming clique tomtom etc =)
08:42.12jnwhitehtho I get those messages too
08:42.18jnwhitehhopefully =)
08:42.43Semlarjnwhiteh i have a request
08:42.54Semlaryou know how undocumented functions are in red
08:43.19Semlaronce they're categorized they turn blue even if they don't have any description
08:43.34jnwhitehthat's because the page exists
08:43.49jnwhitehi could put another page that shows what needs to be documented.
08:43.51jnwhitehif that woul dhelp
08:43.52Semlarbut i think it would be better if it were still in red
08:44.03Semlarjust to make it easier to distinguish them
08:44.13zenziofor those wishing some valentine's day spirit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoCAXTY9btM
08:45.20Semlaractually does the page really exist, because when you click on it you get the same page as one of the red functions
08:45.48Semlarthe only difference is it has an api category filled in
08:48.16zenzio"Pooping is a perfectly normal function of the human body, but the difference is that most people have the decency to poop in a toilet while some put them on a disc and market it as a video game."
08:48.28Eridiusis that about the aliens game?
08:48.50zenzioI'm unsure yet; it was a "top comment" on a video I'm currently watching... haven't reached that part of the video :)
08:48.56zenziobut it does sound like it
08:49.44Semlarjnwhiteh if it can detect that it should display - This function is not yet documented, shouldn't it be relatively simple to add the no_such_node class
08:50.22jnwhitehSemlar: not without loading that node and parsing it, no
08:50.29jnwhitehand that's quite expensive
08:50.43Semlarhow does it know to display that the function hasn't been documented
08:50.49jnwhitehthe node doesn't exist
08:51.01Semlarbut those still are blue
08:51.03jnwhitehthere's a master list of functions that encompass the WoW API
08:51.31jnwhitehcategories is a different list
08:51.36jnwhitehand that does involve opening each of them.
08:51.54jnwhitehbut i'll see what I can do
08:52.27Semlarit's not that big a deal i just thought it would be easier to browse
08:56.56jnwhitehno worries =)
08:56.58jnwhitehi'll see what i can do
08:57.16Semlarthanks
09:01.27karl_w_w" //I am not sure why this works but it fixes the problem." fairly certain I have written that before
09:04.30Semlarit was hard to write so it should be hard to read
09:05.13Semlaryeah, that sounds about right
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10:38.49znf"LFR versions of non-boss loot"
10:38.58znfDoes that mean what I think it means? (ie: LFR trash drops)
10:39.13znfoh, and the answer is in the next blue post, nvm
10:39.50Semlar^_^
10:44.10Stanzillafucking znf
10:44.32znfStanzilla, I was reading the actual forum post, mkay? >_<
10:44.42Stanzillastill love you, son
10:45.22znfSo, now I'm actually supposed to SAVE valor for better gear right on patch day instead of spending it on upgrades
10:45.37Semlarspend it on hookers and blow
10:46.00znfI'll spend it on a ilvl 522 neck!
10:46.17Semlarto each his own, i guess
10:49.08Stanzillayou can get 2 522 valor items in the first ID, znf
10:49.17znfStanzilla, yes
10:49.28znfneck/wrist/ring, choose 2
10:49.45znfThose should all be 1250 VPs, right?
10:50.52StanzillaI don't do math son
10:51.10znfStanzilla, so technically you can get 3 :D
10:51.36Stanzillaok you can't do math either
10:51.36znf1250*3 = 3750. 3000 from cap from previous week, 750 you can get in the first day!
10:52.03znfRings, Amulets and Wrists are all 1250!
10:53.09StanzillaI'm busy watching harlem shake videos
11:08.17Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/K5z4bFX.jpg hm
11:09.09Semlari don't think the underbelly is supposed to be above dalaran
11:10.00Semlaractually there seems to be a lack of dalaran here
11:10.17Semlarthis is definitely missing something
11:19.16bluspacecowhttps://twitter.com/bluspacecow/status/302013987057463296
11:19.19bluspacecowRT's please
11:19.28bluspacecowhttps://twitter.com/bluspacecow/status/302013252169240577
11:19.30bluspacecowtoo
11:22.46znfUh. What fear exploit?
11:22.48znfNow I'm curious
11:23.21Stanzilla...
11:34.02Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/tgifa70.jpg ^_^
11:39.18znfwhat are those numbers on the dalaran map?
11:39.59bluspacecowhow many places Semlar's ERP'd in and how many orgasims he gave
11:40.20Semlarthat sounds right
11:40.22znfnaughty :o
11:40.42Semlarthose are identifying each texture
11:40.49hasteI read orgasims as organisms
11:40.54hastethe context become odd
11:43.23bluspacecowi can'ts spell
11:48.48znfI don't understand Semlar's mapping thingies :P
11:49.20Semlarneither do i
11:50.39Semlari'm trying to get it so you can see places like instances, ironforge, dalaran on the satellite map
11:54.46Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/5gxF5J0.jpg here it is without the numbers
11:56.49bluspacecowsatellite map ?
11:57.07Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/Tj3DMKH.jpg well, this is it without dalaran
11:58.08znfyeah, satelite map?
11:58.57Semlarthe terrain
12:00.15Semlarit's not going to look this bad when i'm done
12:00.43Semlari just need to be able to visualize everything
12:02.27znfone question still remains - what purpose?
12:02.37znfI'm genuinely curious
12:03.57Semlaralright, the current plan is to make an in-game version of google maps
12:04.16Semlarthat's about the best way i can describe it
12:05.28znfMkay. I still can't think of why would someone use/need such a thing, but ok :)
12:05.46Semlarthe same reason you have a map in the first place
12:05.56Semlarto look up where something is
12:06.12znfI have wowhead and tomtom for that :D
12:06.39Semlarbut you don't have wowhead in-game
12:07.54Semlaranyway, you don't have to use it
12:11.28znfSemlar, wowhead is an alt+tab away :P
12:11.46znfjust wondering, not trying to undermine your work :)
12:15.02Stanzillaback to your cave, znf
12:15.06Stanzillaleave the good people alone
12:15.51Semlar:(
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12:36.55Fiskerpls
12:37.05Fiskeratleast the us forums have moderation
12:46.41znfThe EU ones do, too
12:46.45znf"You used all caps. Locking thread"
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13:54.44Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/cGBbW7k.jpg aw yeah
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14:18.57Semlarvlad: http://i.imgur.com/ZcWiGRJ.jpg
14:19.10VIadthat looks very good
14:19.15Stanzillathat is cool
14:19.27Semlari think i've managed to split it up by floor correctly
14:19.29zenziothat's actually pretty wicked
14:19.34Semlaror at least as well as it's going to get
14:20.15Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/UeQK5AH.jpg
14:21.08Semlarparts of the stairs seem like they aren't all there and some of the stuff outside isn't there but i think that's part of the terrain
14:21.49znfI like the chess room, myself, for someone who never raided Kara in it's time (well, I did at 2.4, but not too many times). But the 1st one you linked (servant's quarters) is more confusing to me :D
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14:22.12Semlarwell the first one i linked wasn't superimposed on the map
14:22.34zenziosuperimposes Fisker on the map
14:23.01Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/cGBbW7k.jpg this one?
14:23.37znfyeah, I'm just saying that blizzard's drawing is a bit more easier for me to navigate than the actual textures in-game (the minimap textures)
14:24.29Semlaryeah
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14:27.10VIadwhen you wanna update the data, you run a py script and tada, all done? :3
14:28.14Semlaryep
14:28.34VIadwhat binary tools does your script use?
14:29.10Semlarit's using stormlib to open the mpq files
14:29.37Semlarand it's just patching it with whatever it finds in the folder
14:30.08VIadbut is it binary for windows or linux?
14:30.15Semlarthere's no binary
14:30.23VIadstormlib.dll or so?
14:30.26VIad:o
14:30.32Semlarstormlib.dll
14:30.35VIadso windows
14:30.37znfthen it's windows!
14:30.47VIadAdys uses stormlib too but for linux :P
14:31.00VIadso couldn't compile his sources on windows :<
14:31.28Semlari had to make my own wrapper
14:31.39Semlari mean i'm pretty sure his works
14:31.51VIadcan't py use the dll calls directly?
14:32.08VIadlike call functions without having a wrapper to wrap the dll/so to work with py?
14:32.12Semlaryeah but it has to allocate memory and stuff
14:32.32Semlarit's not something i want to work with directly
14:32.50Semlari just wrote some wrapper functions so i could use it in a way that wouldn't drive me insane
14:32.57VIad:D
14:33.33Semlari was using the thing adys wrote but i had to keep getting my friend to compile it for me every time he changed it because i couldn't get it working on my machine
14:34.06VIadit's indeed a nightmare to compile a linux C source for win
14:34.48Semlari don't know, it's not something i'm familiar enough with to mess around with
14:35.08VIadit just depends on libs not available to windows, I reckon
14:36.42Semlarthese aren't really any good for navigation but i wanted to make sure i could separate out which objects belong on which floors
14:36.58Semlarso i could name them and not just have it look like this http://i.imgur.com/xPNz0nw.jpg
14:37.18VIad:3
14:38.49Semlarit can filter them out based on which map you're actually looking at
14:39.01Torhal|workSemlar: You should change your nick to Semaplar.
14:39.15Semlar>_>
14:39.29Semlarthat doesn't really roll off the tongue
14:39.58VIadSeamaplar
14:44.17Semlarah, but see the important thing is that i can actually draw dalaran now
14:44.26Semlarsee http://i.imgur.com/5gxF5J0.jpg
14:44.46Semlarit's not just invisible
14:45.00VIadSemlar: wanna hear an insane idea?
14:45.16VIadconsidering you got all the coordiante data and such for levels and stuffs
14:45.16Semlarthose are the only kind i listen to
14:45.40VIadmake a isometric perspective of the levels
14:45.44VIad:P
14:46.05Semlaryou can't skew the textures
14:46.08Semlari've already tried
14:46.11VIadwhy not? :(
14:46.21Semlaras far as i can tell it just can't be done
14:46.25VIadit would liek be the awesome stuff evar
14:46.34VIadI wanted to make a minimap like that :P
14:46.42VIadbut I too couldn't get the textures to become isometric
14:46.47Semlarlike you can't use SetTexCoord to make it into a trapezoid or something
14:46.59VIad:(
14:47.18VIadsince vanilla textures only appear with this above the head view
14:47.31Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/K5z4bFX.jpg this is all the indoor bits of dalaran
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14:47.34VIadnewer games use more isometric perspective to give you a feel of "levels"
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14:48.02VIaddoes the lower and upper dalaran levels overlap properly?
14:48.21Semlarthey do http://i.imgur.com/tgifa70.jpg
14:48.27VIadthat's good
14:48.28Semlaralthough it's probably impossible to tell from that picture
14:48.31zenzioeveryone should make maps like in Dead Space 1; cause those sure weren't difficult to grasp \o/
14:48.43Semlargive me an example
14:49.00Arrow|phoneI'm so unproductive when I'm left alone at work with my phone...
14:49.01zenzioit was real 3D, made it impossible to read half the time
14:49.16Semlargood times
14:49.55Semlarwell, okay i actually did have an idea for something that is definitely possible i just don't know how to do it
14:50.25Semlarand it would require reconstructing every map outside the game with my own textures
14:50.35Semlarand i'm not sure how big that would be
14:51.08Arrow|phoneI'm also disappointed this dell laptop docking station doesn't power the USB ports when a laptop isn't connected
14:51.30VIadArrow you silly goose
14:51.47VIadthose don't work on water
14:52.03VIadanyone got ^ reference? :P
14:52.06Arrow|phoneWhat, I want to charge my phone
14:53.18Semlarhttp://i.imgur.com/O9isTiN.jpg here's a really bad mockup of what i was thinking
14:53.41VIaddiablo :p
14:53.42Semlarbut basically all the collision data is there you'd just have to figure out how to draw all the walls
14:53.49VIadhmm
14:54.01Semlari'm not doin that
14:54.01VIadwell considering we are talking about colisions
14:54.21VIadyou know those private servers? they got some programs to extract collision data from the game
14:54.34VIadand they use it to apply collision server side
14:54.46Semlarsure
14:54.53Semlaryou can create impassable terrain
14:54.54VIadif you can pinpoint the functions they use and use them for your own code, would save some time?
14:55.05Semlarno i already know where the collision data is
14:55.22Semlarit's just a bunch of vectors for triangles
14:55.33Semlarit's all 3D
14:55.41VIadyeah that can be a issue
14:55.49VIadyou gotta only map the walkable terrain for the maps
14:55.54karl_w_wvectorizes VIad
14:55.58Semlari'd have to basically generate a slice of it at ground level up to about the player height
14:56.03VIadkarl :D
14:56.10VIadyeah
14:56.16VIadhow high is a player in z axis? :P
14:56.27VIadand is that contant for all maps?
14:56.42karl_w_wyes
14:56.45Semlari have 2.1 meters for tauren or something
14:56.53karl_w_wyards
14:56.57Semlarwhatever
14:56.58Semlarunits
14:57.08karl_w_wold money
14:57.35Semlarradius appears to be a 0.6 YARD tube for all races
14:58.19Semlarwalkable slope is about 50 degrees
14:58.52VIadSemlar: how advanced math did you have back in uni?
14:59.11Semlaruhhhhhh
14:59.20Semlariunno
14:59.45karl_w_wthis advanced |----|
14:59.50Semlarabout yay big
14:59.52VIadI never went too far with math, I like it, but I am having problems with some algorithms like converting 3d to 2d and such
15:00.04VIadI can look up the formulas but it's not intuitive like it is with some people
15:00.18Semlaryeah i just google everything
15:00.21VIad:P
15:00.22karl_w_wformulae
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15:00.55Semlarwell i mean i know basic math but i don't know all these advanced algorithms and stuff
15:01.19Semlaralthough i guess once i look it up i do
15:01.26karl_w_wi hated geometry
15:01.33karl_w_wso boring
15:01.47karl_w_wgive me probability any day of the week
15:01.53Semlarnear as i figure it's triangles all the way down
15:02.13VIadformuliticus platipus
15:05.22Semlaranyway, i wish they'd give us the ability to query the player's coordinates without having anything to do with the map
15:05.32Semlarideally with the z index
15:06.02Semlarbut i'd settle for just getting the global coordinates without the player having to be on whatever map you happen to be looking at
15:08.50Arrow|phoneThat's why you check if the map is open and if not you set it to the current zone
15:09.11karl_w_wArrow|phone if it's not it already is
15:09.27karl_w_wif it is that's where the fun begins
15:09.35Semlarassuming the player is on a map
15:09.36Arrow|phoneWhen did that change
15:09.55karl_w_wnever afaik
15:10.16karl_w_wor maybe it was done quickly while you were in the loo
15:10.43Arrow|phoneIt didn't used to change automatically when the map was closed
15:10.59SemlarSetMapToCurrentZone is called when you close the map
15:11.33Arrow|phoneWhat if you change zones while its closed
15:11.46Semlarit updates, usually, not necessarily
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15:12.10Arrow|phoneProbably because of addons
15:12.12Semlarthe main exception is going from say, orgrimmar into the cleft
15:12.17Semlarno not because of addons
15:12.20Semlarit does update the map
15:12.43Arrow|phoneYou have it so easy now then
15:14.29Arrow|phoneI should stop slacking, my phone is already down to 68%
15:15.02Arrow|phoneBut I am ahead of schedule so am I really slacking
15:15.11Semlaryes
15:15.37Arrow|phoneLies
15:16.05Arrow|phoneI'm babysitting a software installer
15:16.21Semlarwould i lie to you
15:16.22VIadSemlar: do you know of someone with a distance relationship that managed to be together?
15:16.34Semlarno
15:16.42Semlarwhat do you mean together
15:16.48Semlarthey couldn't be more apart
15:16.57VIadmy friend has a girlfriend, but he lives in norway and she in china
15:17.01Arrow|phoneI do need to call in and get my network credentials soon though
15:17.06Semlarno that's not a girlfriend
15:17.07Semlarthat's a penpal
15:17.10VIadso it's not easy for her to move with him as he must meet several requirements
15:17.28VIadthey have met several times and talk a lot so it's not just internet :P
15:17.40Semlarlong distance relationships don't work
15:17.48VIadthey sure try their best
15:18.07VIadhe wants her to move here but government requires him to own his own house and have a certain income for 3 years straight
15:18.25VIadso a lot of work on his part so she can move here :(
15:19.08VIadI hope they make it but so much time in between, not fun
15:19.16Semlarhe could move to china
15:19.29VIadproblem is he wouldn't make it there
15:19.52Arrow|phoneSystem 2 of 3 done now. Just got to box it back up now
15:20.02VIadrequires a great deal of integration if you ask me
15:20.26Arrow|phoneSo one more system to do before lunch, must slack off more
15:22.54VIadno one with a long distance relationship in the channel? shame
15:23.10VIadwas wondering how much work it took for it to work out
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15:24.30Semlarin my opinion it's just not a relationship if you're apart
15:24.37Semlaryou can be friends with them
15:24.50Semlaryou can keep in contact
15:25.07VIadwell they have been intimate and have rings to symbolize engagement
15:25.12VIadso I doubt it's just friends :P
15:25.28VIadmet each other when they were abroad studying in japan two years ago
15:25.32Semlarno they met up a few times
15:25.48Semlarbut that doesn't constitute an ongoing relationship
15:26.10VIadthey speak a lot on skype and visit each other in vacations :P
15:26.31VIadI'd say it's trying to have a relationship, very hard too
15:27.27Semlarwhy can't she move to norway
15:28.36Semlarmore importantly why can't you click on an instance on the map and have it open the map for it
15:28.38VIadas I said he must have his own house and have a certain income in 3 years straight
15:28.48VIad:P
15:29.12Semlarthat's the only way someone can move to norway
15:29.27Maldiviaohh, the irony http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-rips-off-pirate-bay-website-faces-lawsuit-130213/
15:29.37VIadlol?
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15:30.34karl_w_wrofl wtf
15:30.45karl_w_wwhy would an anti piracy group attack a website?
15:30.59Semlarvendetta
15:31.25VIadthe sims 3 has no roman attire, my plan to make alexander the great is foiled
15:31.36VIadclosest I get is making him wear a pirate robe...
15:32.27karl_w_wbut pirates dont have websites surely?
15:33.10karl_w_wthey'd be too busy sailing and such
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15:34.11VIadis alexander the great like hitler only minus the mass murdering?
15:34.26VIadtrying to figure out his traits
15:34.48Semlarthis isn't really about them infringing on tpb's rights, it just gives them a way to retaliate through legitimate channels
15:35.48Semlarthe court can either rule against TPB, in which case they're saying copyright only applies to whoever they say it does
15:36.04Semlaror they can rule for them, and TPB wins money
15:36.08Semlareither way
15:36.43VIadon the tpb issue, it's all about using loopholes and they do it, only more visible than other companies :P
15:37.06VIadso it's funny when they use legal means to sue others lol when you know they avoid being sued by interpreting the law in a way that suits them and such :P
15:39.32VIadshrug
15:39.33VIadanyway
15:39.35VIadgoing to work today
15:39.43VIadand tomorrow - wow I am exited :D
15:39.52Semlarbring me back some money
15:41.03VIad:D
15:41.33VIadwhat motivates me is feeling appreciated, helpful to others
15:41.39VIadmakes me happy and makes me wanna work more
15:41.48VIador at least, work more effectivly :P
15:41.55Semlarhm, what motivates me is money
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15:55.39karl_w_wsomeone else: does he even lift? me: he's a DK, he does everything
15:56.06karl_w_wsee how witty I am
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15:59.36VIadI need money but, I'd prefer to have enough money and feel good about what I do, than have exces of money and don't feel so good
16:00.48nevcairieli prefer to have excess money and still feel good about it
16:01.06VIadnevcairiel: if you can achieve that sure it's nice :P
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16:06.43Shirikhttp://www.fiendle.com/customdolls/wow_tyrandesfavoritedollv1.php
16:06.52ShirikCairenn|afk ^ Lopeppeppy ^
16:06.52karl_w_wwhy would u feel bad about having excess money?
16:07.15VIadbeing paid more than you actually deserve?
16:07.39Shirikbecause then the tax man is all like MUAHAHAHA I EAT ALL YOUR DEDUCTIONS
16:07.58karl_w_wif that gets you down then just redistribute your excess to the most needy
16:08.27karl_w_wthat's surely better than some selfish bastard with a yacht and 40 servants getting it
16:10.17karl_w_wbut tbh I have spent my whole life being poor, if I had excess money my opinion would be fuck the needy, it's me time! :P
16:10.42ccoxkarl - welcome to the GOP
16:11.46Shirikthat pretty much describes me
16:12.11Shirikthough that's a little excessive
16:17.55karl_w_whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx8obpx4844 can't believe I haven't watched this before
16:18.01karl_w_wmakes you want to throw up
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16:39.12Fiskerhey haste
16:39.16Fiskerif your police is going to be dumb fucks
16:39.32Fiskercould they atleast spend less money being dumb fucks
16:39.33Fisker?
16:40.22UnkleAsking any group of people to spend less as a collective entity is an exercise in frustration and often, futility.
16:43.53DagmarHey, man.  Burning people alive isn't cheap.
16:44.14VIadkarl how does she loose her job? wouldn't she if I didn't buy the movie at all?
16:45.39VIadkarl_w_w answer me!
16:45.41VIad:P
16:47.04VIadkarl_w_w you are the reason that poor woman lost her job
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16:56.29ShirikI shouldn't laugh at this but http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-unofficial-spokesman-heart-attack-grill-dies-of-heart-attack-20130213,0,884319.story
16:57.38mikmashirik: muah
17:02.36Fiskerold Shirik
17:02.38Fiskersry :(
17:02.57Fiskerhaste
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17:31.54zenzelezzCairenn|afk: not sure if someone linked this already: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/19793_2607795318677_2132701041_n.jpg
17:33.58karl_w_wShirik: edit: "Heart Attack Grill's unofficial spokesman dies of rampant stupidity"
17:35.10karl_w_wI'm not going to say he deserved it
17:35.28karl_w_wbecause that should be blatantly obvious
17:40.23karl_w_whttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_British_Coinage_2008.jpg that's really clever
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17:50.36hasteFisker: no
17:50.49Fiskerdo it haste
17:50.52hasteno
17:50.57Fiskeryou use ipads for remote desktop
17:50.59Fiskerdumb fucks
17:51.03hasteno
17:51.07Fiskeryes
17:51.15hasteproof?
17:51.31Fiskernews
17:51.37hasteno
17:51.41Fiskerwww.version2.dk/artikel/politiet-skal-afproeve-ipads-i-patruljevognen-50431
17:51.42Fiskeryes
17:51.59FiskerMen efter alt at dømme vil der blive skelet til kollegerne i Norge, hvor Politiet begyndte at teste iPads sidste år. Løsningen i Norge giver adgang til både Windows-, Android- og Mac-systemer fra iPad’en, så det ikke nødvendigvis var nye, dedikerede iPad-applikationer, som betjentene skulle bruge.
17:52.20Fiskerso you paid tons of money for ipads so you could remote desktop to real operating systems
17:52.28Fiskerinstead of just using real operating systems to begin with
17:52.43hastethis is a problem all over the world!
17:53.39Fiskermad?
17:55.17hastenop :D
17:56.06Fiskerso mad
17:56.11alestanekarl_w_w: http://satwcomic.com/worthless
17:56.56karl_w_wwhat's a person like a stooge but the person hasn't asked for it
17:57.04karl_w_wcould have explained that better
17:58.40karl_w_wlol alestane
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18:00.28pompyHappy Valentine's Day http://youtu.be/JZXonGk7WrA lol
18:01.39Cairenn|afkzenzelezz: lol
18:02.04Cairenn|afkShirik: hehehe
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18:09.23Neffi"Hey, whatcha playin?"  "pokemon"  "that game's for 12-year-olds"  "hmm. i guess that explains all the unprovoked violent confrontations and animal abuse"
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18:30.08Mr_Rabieshmmmm
18:30.09Mr_Rabieshttp://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/351536.jpg
18:30.14Mr_Rabiesis that 24 lesser charms? :O
18:40.16mikmayeap
18:40.43TC-workThe head of the software department just updated a bug with 'That error makes no sense.'  I am amused.
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18:54.15zenzelezz"Entering bootloader, please wait"... not a message I expected to see on my keyboard firmware update installer
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19:05.05Arrow|phoneSo I spent this morning prepping 3 computers to be installed in training rooms in the afternoon
19:05.26Arrow|phoneMy concact to let me I to
19:06.06Arrow|phoneLet me into the room isn't answering the phone and doesn't appear to be here today
19:06.31Arrow|phoneSo I go to take a look myself and finf
19:06.51TC-workhttp://computerhistory.org/atchm/adobe-photoshop-source-code/
19:07.27Arrow|phoneFind both rooms I have computers for in use and they say they won't be done till 5pm
19:07.55TC-workArrow|phone: That's the afternoon
19:08.21Arrow|phoneThat's overtime
19:08.36Arrow|phoneI don't think I get paid overtime
19:09.51Arrow|phoneSo I'll prep the next 2 computers now and just assist my supervisor tomorrow I guess
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19:10.03Fiskeryes
19:10.07Fiskerwith that source code TC-work
19:10.12Fiskeri can make open source photoshop
19:10.19Fiskerand beat adobe at their own game
19:10.23TC-workit's written in pascal
19:10.25TC-workhave fun'
19:10.32Arrow|phoneLol
19:11.34Arrow|phoneIf I was paid time and a half for overtime I would probably wait till 5 and do the installs
19:13.45Fiskerpascal is easy TC-work
19:49.05Neffizenzelezz: Your keyboard has a firmware updater?
19:49.31zenzelezzI'm no longer sure. I thought it was just software, but the installer now has me confused
19:49.58Neffiwhat kind of keyboard?
19:51.45zenzelezzRazer Blackwidow Ultimate
19:53.34Fiskerwhy wouldn't it have Neffi ?
19:56.45NeffiI guess these newer "gaming" keyboards are more sophisticated
19:56.59NeffiI prefer a well-built PS/2 keyboard, preferably with mechanical switches.
19:56.59TC-workIneed
19:57.03TC-workIndeed*
19:57.37TC-workMy keyboard is mechanical with usb
19:57.42TC-workalso has dip switches
19:57.48NeffiDip switches?
19:58.03NeffiOn a keyboard?
19:58.05TC-workyes
19:58.28NeffiUSB is fine too. I've always had problems with key rollover though.
19:58.28zenzelezzNeffi: I use a Qpad MK-80 at work, PS/2 mechanical. Very happy with it
19:58.35zenzelezzat home I have two Blackwidow Ultimate
19:58.45TC-workAt least one setting is for modifying rollover
19:58.47NeffiLike on my last keyboard, which was supposedly a great basic keyboard, I couldn't strafe and press shift-G at the same time.
19:58.56TC-worksupposedly it will let you do n
19:58.58NeffiGood PS/2 keyboards have never given me that problem
19:59.02TC-workthough the default is set to 6
19:59.10NeffiAh I see. That's a nice feature.
19:59.49TC-workAnd honestly if i am hitting more than 6 keys at once i suspect i am doing something wrong
20:00.31cbreakoften firmware controls which codes are generated for which buttons
20:01.04NeffiIt's not about hitting a lot of keys at once. It's that no matter which keys you hit, they'll register.
20:01.24NeffiSee my example about not being able to strafe and hit shift-G at the same time
20:02.13Arrow|phoneJust noticed I didn't have admin rights on the account I was just assigned this morning. That could have been a problem if I hadn't noticed
20:03.32cbreakyou regularly need admin rights?
20:03.40cbreakmaybe a separate admin account would be useful
20:09.04NeffiWhen CP get converted into HP at the season end, it's usually 1-to-1 right?
20:09.10Neffi1 Conquest -> 1 Honor
20:09.50Arrow|phoneI need admin rights to run some of the data migration tools we use
20:10.48Arrow|phoneAnd my account is almost purely for running those tools, I don't have a computer to use here
20:13.20cbreakthen a non-admin account sounds a bit useless
20:14.43Arrow|phoneExactly why I had to call back and report it
20:17.36Arrow|phoneKinda funny that a user is not allowed to tell me their password so I have to keep asking them to come reenter it on every reboot while I'm working, but we are sharing an account with admin rights till I get my own
20:18.44cbreakwell.
20:18.47cbreakjust change the password
20:18.55cbreakand then call him to enter his old one when you're done
20:19.48hasteI just change the password and tell them to create a new one once I'm done
20:20.13Arrow|phonePassword changes have to be done through an oracle webapp
20:20.44TC-workAD pulls from oracle?
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20:24.58foxlit<PROTECTED>
20:25.41foxlitThe graphical style is awesome, but 360p and that level of compression... urgh!
20:26.46Arrow|phoneWhat is it (for those of us at work)
20:27.18foxlit<PROTECTED>
20:28.51NeffiI still dont know why multiboxing isnt against the ToS
20:29.22TC-workbecause it's not automated
20:29.45NeffiOn the contrary it is
20:30.00NeffiIf you're controlling 5 characters, you're automating 4 of thenm
20:30.28TC-workno, you just said it yourself "controlling 5 characters"
20:30.39NeffiOne key press is being translated into 5 key presses
20:30.43NeffiThat's automation
20:30.48TC-workIt's still a keypress
20:30.49smcnbecause there's a high barrier to entry and the benefit is limited to bgs
20:30.59TC-workby that definition the entire game is 'automated'
20:31.07NeffiSo by that logic I'm allowed to use software which creates macros otherwise impossible
20:31.17Neffilike pressing the buttons once to just keep spamming Frostbolt
20:31.19foxlitonly if you suck at logic.
20:31.28Neffiit's still a keypress
20:32.37foxlitDo you really see no difference between one keypress resulting on one action being performed across several clients, and one keypress resulting in an action being repeatedly performed?
20:33.11TC-workor multiple actions performed
20:34.00smcndag on acs, WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20:34.09Neffii see a practical difference, yeah. do you really see no inherent and unfair benefit to the former?
20:34.18TC-workhttp://www.engadget.com/2013/02/14/steam-client-ubuntu-official-release/
20:34.41Neffi5 DKs, somebody on a flying mount. Death Grip -> melt away 60% of their health in one hit. they escape, you have 4 more death grips not on CD
20:35.08NeffiThat level of coordination is impossible without the software there to automate it for you
20:35.28NeffiHence, it is in the same rank as any other software aid
20:35.54foxlit"It causes unfair gameplay" is to me an entirely different argument than "It means you should totally allow bots to play the game!"
20:36.16NeffiNo. I'm arguing that is is as unfair as botting.
20:36.22NeffiWorse even, because bots are not intelligent
20:36.37foxlit"Neffi: That level of coordination is impossible without the software there to automate it for you" << I disagree with this.
20:37.22foxlitI think it's entirely possible for five different people to get together on some voice comms and coordinate deathgrips/offensive abilities to kill you even faster.
20:37.40NeffiOh yes, but not one person to control 5 of them independently
20:38.00Neffi1 person facing you with 5 DKs multiboxing is much more of a challenge than 5 people with 5 DKs facing you
20:38.10foxlitI disagree again.
20:38.39NeffiAnd you can. But disagree that the software is not providing a distinct aid that's otherwise not there.
20:38.43foxlit5 people with DKs are capable of independent thought. A couple of AoE fears will break the multiboxer to shreds.
20:38.58NeffiIf you have an AoE fear
20:39.00TC-workYea, 5 independent chars vs 1 controlling 5 My money is on the 1 losing every time
20:39.22NeffiWhen it's a random confrontation, 1v5, multiboxers are at their peak
20:39.58foxlitwait, I like this game.
20:39.59smcndebating fairness is purely academic, the real reason it isn't punished is because there is a high enough barrier to entry, specifically in that you are paying for 4 extra accounts
20:40.15foxlitThey should ban guilds. It's clearly unfair that someone might have friends and engage me in anything other than 1-on-1 combat :P
20:40.28Neffiwhich is disingenuous on the part of developers who claim to care about fairness and balance
20:40.57smcnthe benefit is so small in the big picture
20:41.13NeffiThe point is, if you want that kind of advantage, it should come with playing with others, not just hoarding computer hardware and accounts and speciality software
20:41.44smcnso you can gank people easier, so what? it's just as bad to go to a low level area and kill anything that moves
20:42.33foxlitNeffi: "should" is a bit strong. I get that you want it to be so, but there's no reason it should be that way.
20:42.45smcnyou aren't benefitting in pve or "real" pvp, it's just easier to be a jerk which who caaaares
20:44.10NeffiI'd argue it's the job of the people designing the game to care, especially when they propose that things like dailies are "real pve" when people are bitter about their class being uncompetitive in raids and pvp
20:45.45LopeppeppySt. Valentine preserve me from going on a bloody rampage over having to convert and upload Youtube videos.
20:50.01foxlitNeffi: in totally unrelated news, did you manage to patch OPie to support button clicks yet? :)
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20:55.13Arrow|phoneWhat kinda cheapass monitor doesn't power the USB ports without a data connection
20:58.24znfArrow|phone, a "smart" monitor, from the manufacturer's point of view
20:59.03Arrow|phoneI really need to find my other phone charger
21:02.27Neffifoxlit: Sorry, been way too busy with school to even look at the necessary parts
21:02.40foxlit<PROTECTED>
21:02.52Neffifoxlit: If you give me a hint as to which parts of OPie would need to be patched, I could most likely do it over the weekend
21:03.53NeffiThat's tentative as well though
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21:05.46foxlityou'd have to patch the logic that interprets user interactions with the rings (oneringlib's restricted environment stuff) and the component that performs actions based on the internal action identifiers (actionbook).
21:06.19Neffii figured it'd mostly be in oneringlib
21:07.02NeffiI'll hopefully get to it on saturday, but we'll see. My partner wants to discuss matters on the game we're making.
21:07.16foxlitdoes the game involve spaceships?
21:07.29NeffiProbably not in the way you hope
21:07.33Arrow|phoneIt better
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21:08.14NeffiIt's a fantasy RPG, but it centers around creatures on another planet -- who share an evolutionary line with us by means of travel between our worlds
21:08.16foxlitIt's probably non-trivial.
21:08.49Arrow|phoneccox_: nice hostmask
21:09.18NeffiWhich is tentative. I dont like that aspect of the story, and I'll probably scrap the whole origin section and do away with the space travel
21:09.58bleeterhuzzah! http://store.steampowered.com/sale/linux_release
21:10.22znfWhy don't "they" make shoot'em'ups anymore? :(
21:10.42foxlitbleeter: anything good? And Yet It Moves was good, but I already have that.
21:11.21bleeterThere's this game, dunno if you've heard of it, that's rather good. Bit old, but worth a shot. Called 'Half-Life' ;)
21:11.50foxlits/anything good/anything good that everyone doesn't already have/  :)
21:12.11bleeterto be honest, dunno. but for $20 bucks you could probably pick up half a dozen or so just for shits and giggles/support
21:12.23Arrow|phoneNice
21:12.27bleeteroh, you're in enUS, so probably only three or four.
21:12.29bleeterstill
21:12.42Arrow|phoneGonna buy everything I don't have tonight
21:12.57bleeternot seeing anything over $AUD10, quite a few at around AUD$3
21:13.13bleetera number under AUD$2
21:13.16foxlit-75% on the bastion soundtrack
21:13.27foxlitpeople who don't have that should totally pick it up.
21:13.55Arrow|phoneHave the game, probably not the soundtrack in steam
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21:15.27bleeterpuddleI'd just like to encourage people to buy at cheap prices, encourage indie games and linux development :)
21:15.37bleeterd/puddle/
21:17.15bleeterhttp://i.imgur.com/21H0643.png
21:18.51TC-workMeh, that's a mass of grammatical mistakes.
21:19.31UnkleAt least it is penguins and not some other item more likely to be found on the internet
21:19.41TC-workwomen?
21:19.54foxlithm, galcon.
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22:10.30NeffiNow that's strange. My Cyclone just DR'd against an NPC.
22:10.58NeffiNS+Cycloned as mob in flight. Broke combat because I was mounted, so I landed and hard-casted Cyclone on him. It lasted 3 sec.
22:12.48NeffiAre CCs supposed to DR against NPCs now or was this a legitimate bug?
22:29.37NeffiWell, all forms of Cyclone are DRing against all mobs I tried -- with or without NS, and even against non-PvP mobs. Can anyone else confirm this behavior (perhaps its feral-specific?) Can anyone point me towards a post indicating that Cyclone should be DRing on NPCs despite other CCs not?
22:30.08VIadkarl_w_w I am back
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22:35.58xyphoidi thought most CC DR'd against npcs too?
22:36.41VIadin vanilla CC didn't apply DR on NPCs I miss that
22:41.43Neffixyphoid: Since when? Patch notes indicating so? Forum post?
22:41.59NeffiAFAIK CC has never DR'd against non-players. All the wikis and other descriptions of it indicate as much.
22:42.16NeffiAnd I've never seen DR happen on an NPCs in my ~5 years of playing a rogue, where I use CC a lot
22:45.37Semlarcyclone has always had diminishing returns against mobs
22:46.18VIadmy root doesn't have DR on mobs either, but cyclone, it has DR
22:46.29NeffiThat's really strange
22:46.40NeffiMaybe it's a bug that was always overlooked, and considered unimportant
22:47.06Semlari don't know, it's never really mattered much because it only lasts 10 seconds as it is
22:47.08VIadhttp://www.wowpedia.org/DR
22:47.22Neffi6 seconds
22:47.37VIadNeffi: try Kidney Shot
22:47.38NeffiAll the more reason to be able to use it a few times
22:47.40VIadit apparently has DR
22:47.51Semlarkidney shot is a stun
22:47.52xyphoidi know for a fact cyclone had DR because I used it a bunch in BC raiding
22:48.01VIadstill a CC
22:48.02Semlarstuns all have DR
22:48.11VIadnot in vanilla :<
22:48.18Semlarthe fuck does that matter
22:48.20xyphoidand you did the straight "well, I can cyclone a mob for 10 seconds via 6 seconds, 3 seconds, 1 second, immune"
22:49.26NeffiI'll test KS later
22:49.29Semlarcyclone is a stun so that's probably why it has DR
22:49.38xyphoidwho else got really excited when roots was allowed to work inside instances at the start of Wrath
22:49.49NeffiCyclone isn't a stun
22:49.51xyphoidi would have killed puppies for that during BC
22:49.58Semlarcyclone is literally a stun
22:50.06NeffiSource?
22:50.07SemlarEffect #1Apply Aura: Stun
22:50.15Neffiwow
22:50.16VIadif cyclone is a stun then banish is a stun too
22:50.38NeffiWell in terms of practical mechanics, Cyclone is considered its own class of CC
22:51.24Semlarbanish is restricted as to what it can be cast on so it behaves differently
22:51.43Arrowmasterfucking steam reset my cart
22:51.57Semlarit does have the same effect as cyclone though so that probably has nothing to do with why cyclone has DR
22:52.07TC-work~comfort Arrowmaster
22:52.07purlThere, there, Arrowmaster.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
22:52.22VIadcompare cyclone and banish; both make you immune to attacks and disable you for a duration
22:52.23VIad:P
22:52.55xyphoidcan you still get banished in treeform?
22:53.10VIadprobably yes
22:53.13Semlaris it still an elemental
22:53.17VIadsince you can fear shamans in wolf form too
22:53.23VIad(hunter fear)
22:53.49VIadis the druid tree form glyph elemental too, Semlar?
22:53.50Neffinot to mention cat form
22:53.56VIadyou know the visual form thingy for healers
22:54.12Neffi<PROTECTED>
22:54.21NeffiCat form is still a beast. I suspect tree is still an ele.
22:54.34VIadNeffi: there are two tree forms
22:54.42VIadone is flavor, other is the healing ability one :P
22:54.50NeffiIncarnation one?
22:54.56VIadone is glyph for those that wanna be treant hehe
22:55.39NeffiWell Incarnation cat is a beast. I'll test the glyph for you in a few, but I doubt a cosmetic glyph would intentionally infer a handicap.
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22:56.11VIadthat's what I mean, if the cosmetic glyph is elemental or not :P
22:56.25Neffiill check when i get back to the city and can respec
22:57.29Arrowmasterfucking steam stop resetting my cart before i can buy everything
22:59.06VIadtake it as a sign from a higher power, Arrowmaster
22:59.07Semlari can't even find tree form on wowhead
22:59.27Semlari thought it was called tree of life
22:59.35VIadthat's the resto druid thingy
22:59.37VIadnot sure Semlar
22:59.46VIadhaven't been resto since early cata :p
23:00.07Semlarif it's this http://www.wowhead.com/spell=33891/incarnation-tree-of-life it's not listed as a player ability
23:00.53Neffithat's the healing form
23:00.55Neffiit's a talent
23:01.08Semlaruncategorized
23:01.22Neffithe player ability variant is just "incarnation". you get a spec-specific ability when you take it -- that being the resto form.
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23:02.50VIadSemlar: cosmetic glyph :P
23:02.56VIadthe old school tree form
23:03.10VIaddoesn't do anything but just change your model to a tree
23:03.41Neffiis it the old tree form, or the new Incarnation model?
23:04.16VIadglyph one is the old one
23:04.23VIadthe new form is specific for healing I reckon :P
23:06.02VIadI wanna make a time capsule
23:06.25VIadwrite down the name of people I spoke with on the internets, and have a nostalgic moment when I read it in the future :P
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23:06.53NeffiConstruct it out of materials found in old ruins that can be dated to several thousand BC, then put things inside that look remotely modern and have electrical components
23:06.58Neffibury it in a cave somewhere
23:07.16VIadlol
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23:07.16VIadyeah right
23:07.16VIadfreak people out :P
23:07.20Neffitrolling: patient level
23:07.52NeffiI'd put hand-made light bulbs and batteries and shit. Make them look crude enough and use materials found in or near the ruins.
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23:08.34NeffiPerhaps even construct a rudimentary 8-bit CPU out of non-microscopic materials
23:08.43Neffinow that'd put them on their ass
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23:09.14VIadI should bury it somewhere in some desert, like a tomb
23:09.42Neffibury it where they found the "baghdad battery"
23:09.43VIadcould fund an expedition to build a tomb from real tomb materials so in the future they find a tomb not yet mapped
23:09.52VIadinside I put some creepy shit
23:10.00VIadwould be a fun troll
23:10.16Neffii'm sure they would eventually catch on that it's not authentic
23:10.25VIadgonna hire archaeologists
23:10.30Neffibut that might now happen until after they update major textbooks and people accept it as fact
23:10.30VIadto help me make it as authentic as possible
23:10.50VIadofc no one can speak of this to anyone, legally bound to keep it secret
23:10.51kd3*snark* http://imgur.com/XkWLvLK
23:11.00NeffiIt might perpetuate as fact even after they realize it's incorrect. Like how people still claim apes are not monkeys.
23:11.31VIadI find apes and monkeys very distinct
23:11.36VIadI wouldn't consider them the same :/
23:11.41NeffiPhylogenetics says otherwise
23:11.43VIadmonkeys are small and fun - apes are larger
23:11.54NeffiThat's subjective and colloquial
23:11.56VIadlike cats and wild cats are different
23:12.08NeffiWell truth be told that's not true
23:12.26NeffiDomesticated cats literally ARE wild cats. Hell, I'm pretty sure they never even speciated away from them.
23:12.47VIadlets ask the phylogenetics nerds :P
23:13.01NeffiNot to mention that's a terrible example, since cats are less "domestic" than dogs and were never really bred into a separate role. A house cat can be put back into the wild and will assume its wildcat ancestry.
23:13.15VIadI don't know dude
23:13.28VIadapes and monkeys to me are visibly too different to be the same
23:13.31NeffiJust like a wildcat infant can be put into a household and be nearly (or just as) tame as any house cat
23:13.55NeffiAronRa did a good video on it
23:14.04Neffihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A-dMqEbSk8
23:14.11Eridiusdoes anyone actually talk about addon development here? Always seems to be random conversations going on
23:14.28VIadEridius: one more mentioning of addons and Cairenn kicks you.
23:14.31NeffiHe also did a presentation at a conference on biology. It was very well received by the scientists attending.
23:14.46Eridiuso_O
23:15.12VIadEridius: :P
23:15.27NeffiEridius: We discuss it when it comes up
23:15.29VIadI enjoy talking about stuff, too robotic to only talk about one thing in this channel.
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23:16.02NeffiMost of the regulars here are experienced developers, so it doesn't come up often. You don't really go on rambling about the same thing over and over.
23:16.17VIadcan easily start a conversation about addons tough
23:16.20Neffi"So how's that timer library you developed 3 years ago holding up?"
23:16.29VIadmention taint in a specific light and shit got on fire
23:16.38EridiusNeffi: given that AceTimer recently changed implementations, that's not a very good example :P
23:17.21NeffiTrue. I think that was in the back of my mind when I said it. Clever too, never thought to use animations to get C-side to manage my timers.
23:17.46VIadEridius: ask Adys what editor you should ask to code your PHP script that parses DBC files.
23:17.59VIaduse*
23:18.10Unkle*stab*
23:18.11Eridiuseditor? I twiddle bits by hand
23:18.30VIadsustains a fatal wound by Unkle.
23:18.37EridiusI'm on IRC right now by hooking up a microphone to my network cable and modulating my voice appropriately to send the right bits over the wire
23:19.14VIadUnkle finished doing his daily stabbing and left. :P
23:19.46NeffiSemlar, VIad: Treant Form is Humanoid
23:19.51NeffiThe glyph form
23:20.03VIadgood - otherwise we'd have undeads vs paladins from vanilla all over again
23:20.03VIad:P
23:20.30Neffilol
23:20.41VIadpaladins fearing undeads and such, was fun
23:20.50Neffiand their abilities doing more damage
23:20.52VIadbut priests couldn't fear them with regular fear
23:24.49Adysvlad, Semlar: need any help still?
23:25.11VIadhey Adys, I was just joking with Eridius and used your name :d
23:25.16VIadI'm cool
23:26.50NeffiAren't there dailies at Lion's Landing?
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23:29.00VIadNeffi: :( shrug
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23:38.12NeffiIs there an API to see if you've completed a certain quest?
23:38.19VIadIsQuestFlaggedCompleted()
23:38.22Semlar|LaptopGetCompletedQuests or something
23:38.29Semlar|Laptopreturns a table of quest ids
23:38.32VIadSemlar not if you only wanna check 1 :P
23:39.05Semlar|Laptopi don't think that used to exist
23:39.15smcnit's a table
23:39.28VIadit's new since 5.1 or something
23:39.49VIadI just typed what I think that the API was called
23:39.56smcnso (GetQuestsCompleted())[questID] will return 1 if you've completed
23:40.05VIadnoooo
23:40.06VIaddon't do that
23:40.18VIadhttp://www.wowpedia.org/API_IsQuestFlaggedCompleted
23:40.35VIadit's so inefficient to use GetQuestsCompleted like that
23:40.46Semlar|Laptopnot that inefficient
23:40.57NeffiVIad, you can pass it a table to populate, no?
23:41.04NeffiStill inefficient, but not as bad
23:41.19VIadI'd instead IsQuestFlaggedCompleted to look up one quest
23:41.31Semlar|Laptopif you only need to check one that would be better
23:41.33VIadand use the table and keep it in local reference if I need to lookup more
23:41.38VIadthat's what I mea
23:41.38Semlar|Laptopif you need to check more than one the table would be better
23:41.39VIadmean
23:41.50VIadI wouldn't use (GetQuestsCompleted())[questID]
23:41.55VIadbecause the other API exists
23:41.56smcnwell no, i was simplifying it
23:42.13VIad:D
23:43.50smcnwho knows how IsQuestFlaggedCompleted is defined anyways, it could very well be just directly accessing the table returned by GetQuestsCompleted :P
23:44.01VIadbut it is doing this on the C side
23:44.07VIadso probably more efficient
23:44.08smcnyeah
23:44.25VIad... than (func())[id] that is :P
23:44.38VIadalso I like that they made the client automatically cache the quests
23:44.43VIadwas bullshit how it was before :P
23:44.57VIadhaving to request updates and having cooldown timers to avoid too much requests and such
23:44.57NeffiShieldwall dailies are fucking colvoluted
23:45.10NeffiI have to find where the hell the questgivers are, because it varies daily
23:45.10VIadthat's what she said
23:45.15VIad... what?
23:45.23VIad:(
23:45.27NeffiThere are 4 areas where the questgivers can be
23:45.32smcni made a macro to check what nat pagle daily fishes i'd done that day that just populates a table with GetQuestsCompleted() and accesses that table, didn't know about IsQuestFlaggedCompleted when i made it
23:45.41NeffiOne of them is deep inside a contested cave
23:46.01foxlitNeffi: there's a breadcrumb
23:46.07Neffiwhere?
23:46.11foxlitat your faction's base.
23:46.19Neffino guide on the faction points these things out
23:46.22Neffiand Lion's Landing has no quests in it
23:46.54NeffiI did the breadcrumb to unlock the dailies. I see nothing after that.
23:47.08VIadSTOP
23:47.15Semlar|Laptophammer time
23:47.17xyphoidthere is a guy right by the quartermaster who points you at that day's dailies
23:47.18VIadyou are making me wanna talk about how the map framework is outdated now
23:47.18VIad:P
23:47.33foxlithttp://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:And_Then_There_Were_Goblins
23:47.40foxlithttp://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Send_A_Message http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Priorities,_People!
23:48.04foxlit(and if it's local Lion's Landing day, there's no breadcrumb as the quest-giver NPCs are right there.)
23:48.12VIadfyi if you make movies, adding the willhelm scream at a dramatical scene ruins the moment LOL :P
23:48.23VIadmakes me giggle
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23:52.39VIadSemlar what's up?
23:53.06VIadI just wanna smalltalk :<
23:56.54foxlitVIad: why don't you just smalltalk in #defocus or something?
23:57.03VIadI wanna mingle with you guys
23:57.03NeffiAck. Chalk it up to the changes in how objects load.
23:57.11VIadfeels more personal than random channel with random people :3
23:57.11NeffiI flew right over these questgivers and they didnt appear to me
23:57.52Primerstalker...
23:57.59Primeryou guys should run
23:58.11VIadPrimer: I am watching your house
23:58.16PrimerI know
23:58.19VIad:3
23:58.30VIadnothing to report yet
23:58.37VIadthe premises are secure
23:58.57Primerthanks! :)
23:59.11VIadis this how cheap workforce from india is like?
23:59.12VIad:P
23:59.16VIadcheap security
23:59.32VIadsome guy looking at your cameras pushing a button if something happens

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