| 00:13.01 | neutronimity | Well, it's the only thing that happened. Other than the previous error with opening interface options in combat. |
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| 00:14.17 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: good time to pick up awesomenauts. |
| 00:24.05 | neutronimity | Semlar|Laptop - I guess I'll make a clique ticket report? |
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| 00:43.16 | Amarande | oh, fuck you Blizzard up the you know where with a Brutal Gladiator's Painsaw |
| 00:43.22 | Amarande | I should never have gotten exalted with Golden Lotus |
| 00:43.33 | Amarande | now I can't actually buy Golden Lotus stuff, and I can't even turn in my lesser charms for the week |
| 00:43.48 | Amarande | unless I'm willing to blow all my gold on repair bills for this effing Zhao-Jin miscreation |
| 00:44.07 | Torhal | I have a solution: Play something else instead. |
| 00:44.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:44.36 | Amarande | Torhal: is there any way to beat this guy that doesn't require Ninja Gaiden level skills, as a mage? |
| 00:45.19 | Torhal | Amarande: To be honest? I haven't seriously played since TBC. I casually played in WoTLK, and have only leveled to max each expansion after. |
| 00:45.22 | Amarande | or is it actually MEANT to be that hard, and MEANT that you blow hundreds of gold on repairs while learning this one-off fight, probably as some sort of deliberate gold sink? |
| 00:45.23 | Humbedooh | pfft, ninja gaiden was easy! |
| 00:45.54 | Amarande | seriously. it's like a 10 minute fight and you aren't allowed the slightest of mistakes. even RAID bosses aren't that hard. |
| 00:46.59 | Amarande | and it seems like the tricks I see on wowhead that people used have probably been nerfed |
| 00:47.56 | Amarande | already dumped 50g and don't seem to see any improvement yet |
| 00:48.08 | Amarande | unless I should just wait till the next expansion and finish it at 95 when we have 1M+ HP standard heh |
| 00:49.22 | xyphoid | haha "probably as some sort of deliberate gold sink" |
| 00:49.28 | xyphoid | that is the most amarande thing you've ever seaid |
| 00:49.53 | Amarande | xyphoid: even wowhead commenters can't seem to find any rational reason for this fight, which is easily "Nintendo Hard" to the max |
| 00:50.06 | Amarande | in fact, I saw one person refer to it exactly as that, a "nintendo skill" fight |
| 00:50.22 | Amarande | what they do comment on in spades is the oodles of gold that's gone down the crapper in repair bills while attempting it |
| 00:50.54 | xyphoid | get hard |
| 00:51.17 | Amarande | which means there's one of two reasons for a fight like this. either it's supposed to be super hard so you have to blow through oodles of gold in repairs |
| 00:51.38 | Amarande | (as exactly that, a gold sink, to help take some more money out of the game) |
| 00:52.05 | Amarande | or it's designed to attract those crazy kids who think every game needs to be like DMC or Ninja Gaiden these days or "that game sucks, it's too easy, takes no skill, it's for losers" |
| 00:52.30 | Amarande | (though really the chief killer mechanic reminds me more of Crash Bandicoot than anything else. I was pretty bad at Crash, too though :P) |
| 00:53.36 | Amarande | and, just to be a further kick in the balls |
| 00:53.57 | Amarande | you can't even do some of your basics while this quest is active, for instance the weekly turn-in of lesser charms of good fortune is unavailable due to the phasing :| |
| 00:54.31 | Amarande | you also can basically not get any help with the quest, unless you completely luck into someone else just *happening* to be at that exact point at the same time, since the phase is quest-specific |
| 00:55.12 | Torhal | I want to freak out again, this time simply saying "And not a single fuck was given." |
| 00:55.17 | Torhal | Oh wait, I just did. |
| 00:55.47 | Amarande | Torhal: all you did in MoP was level to 90 and then cancel sub? |
| 00:56.09 | Torhal | I still pay monthly; I only log in to /reloadui between coding sessions. |
| 00:56.29 | Amarande | what's your rep with golden lotus? |
| 00:56.46 | Torhal | I don't believe I have any, |
| 00:57.28 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:57.44 | Amarande | also. wow. apparently there's been at least one recorded case on wowhead of someone literally unsubscribing because of this very quest |
| 00:58.43 | Amarande | also one person saying he'd gladly sign up to a class action lawsuit saying we should have been warned that this quest can be all but impossible for many players and blocks a considerable amount of game content until completed |
| 00:59.09 | Amarande | I've seen all kinds of rants and raves about quests before. I've made plenty of rants and raves about quests before. Don't think I've ever seen one quite that pointed before though, heh |
| 00:59.38 | Amarande | (however, the difficulty is indeed that, and you also can literally do NOTHING in the Vale - except do the Mogu'shan Palace instance and pet battle with the wildlife - until you manage to complete it.) |
| 01:00.23 | Amarande | Even the services and quests in your faction's home corner are unavailable during this quest (which is part of a chain, so abandoning, as far as I'm aware, doesn't help) |
| 01:00.34 | xyphoid | less time reading wowhead comments, more time attempting it |
| 01:00.48 | kd3 | or asking in /1 for a group |
| 01:01.12 | Amarande | It's also a good thing that you have to have flying to do the Golden Lotus dailies, because if you didn't and you got here, it would literally permanently lock yourself out of being able to fly in Pandaria until you finished the quest |
| 01:01.36 | Amarande | kd3: you really can't get a group, because the phase is only accessible during the one specific quest, which vanishingly few people at a time are on |
| 01:01.55 | smcn | yesterday: 8 wisdom/8 power, today after clearing everything: 13 wisdom/8 power :( |
| 01:02.09 | Amarande | actually yeah let's see if abandoning it does any good |
| 01:02.25 | Amarande | nope. |
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| 01:03.29 | neutronimity | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/clique/tickets/90-random-macros-breaking-in-combat-with-clique-enabled/ my first ticket! |
| 01:05.31 | Amarande | wow, and I thought Drakuru was a pain |
| 01:05.39 | Amarande | Drakuru is a pansy compared to this guy :| |
| 01:06.54 | neutronimity | Uhm. I just flew. |
| 01:07.08 | neutronimity | You can't fly any more? |
| 01:07.45 | Amarande | neutronimity: far as I can tell, if you try flying, the NPC gets him down to 13.65M and then he stays there, for ever |
| 01:07.58 | Amarande | anything you can seem to do to damage him after that dismounts you and puts you In Combat so you can no longer remount |
| 01:08.15 | neutronimity | He casts a spear for you to pick up and damage him. |
| 01:08.24 | neutronimity | Uhm. |
| 01:08.27 | Amarande | I waited and waited and waited, but no spears were forthcoming, either |
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| 01:09.47 | neutronimity | Ah, back here. |
| 01:10.03 | Amarande | wb. |
| 01:10.10 | Amarande | anyway, I waited a while, but spears don't seem to appear on their own |
| 01:10.12 | neutronimity | I remember he only threw spears, when I was close to him, and possibly standing on ground as flying mount. |
| 01:10.14 | neutronimity | thanks |
| 01:10.19 | Amarande | ah, interesting, the quartermaster is actually still available |
| 01:10.35 | Amarande | however, none of the other NPCs in the Vale are (which means you're screwed if you want to do your weekly lesser coin turnin, or exchange Spirits) |
| 01:11.07 | Amarande | but yeah, even those on wowhead who've succeeded in the fight seem to agree on one thing, and that's that the fight is totally lacking in that most important quality of games |
| 01:11.46 | Amarande | now that's one thing I'll never quite get about game design, why do games regularly end up with places that aren't fun :) |
| 01:11.51 | Amarande | we play games for fun, don't we? heh |
| 01:12.32 | neutronimity | Ehm, are you still on that quest? Have you tried standing/flying close to him? |
| 01:12.59 | Amarande | let's give that a try. apparently, there's no way to make it take less than a half hour or so on this one fight? |
| 01:13.24 | Amarande | (which is also odd, design-wise ... usually WoW designs fights so if they take that long, it means you're doing it wrong, and usually there's an enrage timer so you don't have things drag out that long, go figure LOL) |
| 01:13.34 | neutronimity | Well .. I think I needed around 5 or 10 mins with my friend. We both used the spears one at a time. |
| 01:14.32 | kd3 | I did it in 5-10min? back around ilvl450? |
| 01:15.07 | neutronimity | I do not think ilevel did matter. :o |
| 01:15.30 | pompy | any WP owners: http://www.trueachievements.com/n12260/pair-of-gameloft-games-free-on-windows-phone.htm |
| 01:26.06 | Amarande | yay, finally |
| 01:26.11 | Amarande | and yeah, ilvl doesn't matter at all |
| 01:26.12 | neutronimity | Hmm? |
| 01:26.28 | Amarande | it won't till the next expansion comes out, and we have 1M+ HP and can survive a hit from the lightning walls, which is the only thing where gear might have influence |
| 01:26.49 | Amarande | however, I will agree with the wowhead posters. it's stressful and pulse-pounding and overlong and not in the least bit fun |
| 01:27.32 | Amarande | especially since the only solution that actually works (the flying mount thing) isn't really the sort of thing that you'd be inclined to even try |
| 01:27.41 | Amarande | how often does WoW even let you get away with something that obtuse? |
| 01:28.13 | Amarande | (99.99% of the time if you even tried such a thing you'd be dismounted when trying to grab and/or toss the spear, and there's nothing to suggest this is not the case here too) |
| 01:28.36 | smcn | you can jump over the walls |
| 01:28.51 | kd3 | that's the biggest part of the fight |
| 01:29.26 | Amarande | tbh, I think the main flaw here is they gave him far too much HP |
| 01:29.45 | Amarande | if the fight was shorter, then people would just see it as challenging rather than punishing |
| 01:30.27 | Amarande | also the fact of it being a real time action RPG is a negative here I think - the corresponding cases in turn-based RPGs are things I actually tend to relish the challenge of |
| 01:30.41 | Amarande | but then there's the rub. in turn-based RPGs if your hands are shaking as the fight goes on, you can take a breather. in an action game you can't. |
| 01:36.13 | Amarande | speaking of which, on a tangential note ... whatever happened to the days of the turn-based RPG? or is the problem that it's just not really possible to impose enough real challenge in a game without fast reflex requirements anymore, because of GameFAQs and the like? |
| 01:36.43 | Amarande | i.e., you can't really put a challenge in a video game now that is about thinking, because websites take the place of that thinking within the first few weeks and that's that? |
| 01:36.55 | Amarande | so the only challenges you really *can* impose are the action based ones, then? |
| 01:37.39 | Amarande | (or RNG-heavy ones, perhaps) |
| 01:40.53 | neutronimity | It is sad that websites do indeed spoil the surprises. |
| 01:41.18 | neutronimity | It's so much more different now than glancing through the Battlechest book. |
| 01:41.59 | neutronimity | Going from tease to tease, a picture, some more pictures, and words will let you live your imagination up. Creative angle shots, too. |
| 01:42.19 | neutronimity | The player will be going in with that expectation in mind, and it'll twist, kind of, for his perspective. |
| 01:42.30 | Amarande | the latter being how the olden AD&D Gold Box games for instance still retain an enduring enjoyment and challenge, pretty much |
| 01:42.51 | Amarande | the RNG rears its head enough that you can't really reduce it to a cut and dried list of "do these & win" |
| 01:44.14 | Amarande | Mind you, there's also the matter of increasing prices of failure in games these days, too. Sometimes literal, like repair prices in WoW, LOTRO, and the Diablos. Sometimes temporal, like the amount of time it takes to reload a saved game (and in the case of many console games, sit through the hair-pullingly long cutscene before you can try the boss again). |
| 01:44.43 | Amarande | Back in the day, you didn't really have repair prices (apart from the bugaboos of level drain, or the Constitution point loss if you revived a dead character in AD&D based games, but typically you'd just reload) |
| 01:44.52 | Amarande | and it also took a hell of a lot less time to reload a saved game when 640K was enough for everyone, LOL |
| 01:45.38 | Amarande | Did take a while to reload saved games back on the Commodore I'll admit, but that has more to do with the piss-poor performance the Commodore disk drive had :) |
| 01:46.37 | Amarande | In fact, my experiences with Commodore actually made me seriously doubt the USB revolution for a while, go figure :P |
| 01:59.44 | bleeter | http://i.imgur.com/MYeIdZI.gif |
| 02:00.03 | Amarande | ROFL |
| 02:03.21 | pompy | hmm alright, who killed the Amazon Instant Video servers!? |
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| 02:04.27 | TC-work | anon |
| 02:04.57 | pompy | http://support.xbox.com/en-US/apps/amazon/amazon-info they lie! |
| 02:05.24 | Amarande | heh, I prefer netflix |
| 02:05.36 | Amarande | at least atm. that might change if and when I decide to try converting to Linux again |
| 02:06.00 | pompy | it $7/mo for netflix? |
| 02:06.53 | TC-work | 7.99 it looks like |
| 02:06.59 | pompy | $79/yr (aka $6.58/mo) for Amazon Prime :P, so muhaha. |
| 02:07.32 | pompy | or $3.25/mo if you pay $39yr for amazon prime! |
| 02:07.48 | TC-work | I have prime for the shipping |
| 02:07.55 | TC-work | I have torrent for movies/shows |
| 02:10.06 | ccox | bleeter: I figured that had to be Starbucks or an Apple store... |
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| 02:15.44 | Amarande | pompy, how does the selection of movies on Prime compare to Netflix's? |
| 02:16.28 | Amarande | like can I watch SOA and such on Prime? |
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| 03:02.33 | smcn | 15% |
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| 03:57.15 | kd3 | huh. good thing I don't have to get up early tomorrow |
| 03:57.20 | kd3 | played along with the SOTU drinking game |
| 03:57.25 | kd3 | wheee~ |
| 03:58.44 | TC-work | kd3: how many did you have? |
| 03:59.00 | kd3 | I lost count of shots about 30 minutes in |
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| 04:01.48 | bluspacecow | http://files.myopera.com/Cois/blog/pic11635.jpg |
| 04:04.35 | TC-work | http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/rpgs/mark-leung-revenge-of-the-bitch/ |
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| 04:21.54 | kd3 | ...wow |
| 04:22.00 | kd3 | is watching local news since his tv's still on |
| 04:22.17 | kd3 | apparently someone stole a krispy kreme truck and a crapton of police officers responded to the call |
| 04:22.28 | kd3 | life imitates the onion, I guess |
| 04:23.29 | Shirik | lol. |
| 04:24.46 | Neffi | NOT THE KRISPY KREME |
| 04:24.58 | kd3 | http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-faces-several-charges-stealing-krisy-kreme-don/nWMyS/ |
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| 06:00.15 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: if he comes back, its worth having him disable the blizzard integration code and seeing if that helps. |
| 06:01.15 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 06:01.29 | jnwhiteh | although the taintlog he posted starts with the CliqueDialog being closed.. which means he's opened the options and done something else (I think) |
| 06:01.41 | jnwhiteh | and the codepath that its in is DESIGNED to handle tainted frames |
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| 06:13.39 | jnwhiteh | anyone happen to know the build number of the current PTR build? |
| 06:14.01 | kd3 | this instant? 16562 |
| 06:14.08 | jnwhiteh | thanks =) |
| 06:14.12 | kd3 | they've got 16577 on the mirrors, but it's not up yet |
| 06:14.14 | jnwhiteh | just need to write some conditional code |
| 06:14.21 | jnwhiteh | so I have pre-5.2 compat |
| 06:15.59 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:16.11 | jnwhiteh | local build = select(2, GetBuildInfo()); if tonumber(build) >= 16562 then end |
| 06:16.13 | jnwhiteh | that should work? |
| 06:16.46 | haste | y |
| 06:16.53 | kd3 | sure, but you could use return 1 to compare against 5.2.0? |
| 06:16.57 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 06:16.58 | Fisker | haste |
| 06:17.00 | Fisker | haaaaaaaaaaaste |
| 06:17.01 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 06:17.11 | Fisker | i'm bored |
| 06:17.17 | jnwhiteh | kd3: then I have to parse and worry about updating it once 5.2 comes out, no? |
| 06:17.19 | haste | go to work, that's what I did |
| 06:17.48 | jnwhiteh | or does lexicographical ordering work for those version numbers? |
| 06:18.05 | Fisker | i don't feel well haste |
| 06:18.14 | haste | then go to bed! |
| 06:19.10 | kd3 | lua> print("5.1.0" < "5.2.0") |
| 06:19.10 | lua_bot | kd3: true |
| 06:19.17 | kd3 | lua> print("5.1.0a" < "5.2.0") |
| 06:19.17 | lua_bot | kd3: true |
| 06:19.21 | kd3 | sure |
| 06:19.35 | jnwhiteh | lua> print("5.2.0" < "5.11.0") |
| 06:19.35 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: false |
| 06:19.43 | kd3 | lua> print("5.2.0" > "5.1.0") |
| 06:19.43 | lua_bot | kd3: true |
| 06:20.02 | haste | I doubt we'll ever see 5.11.0 :P |
| 06:20.08 | jnwhiteh | well, its the principle :P |
| 06:20.23 | jnwhiteh | 5.2.11 would have the same issue, it would be less than 5.2.2 |
| 06:20.42 | Stanzilla | just check for a new global? if it is there 5.2, if not, 5.1? |
| 06:21.10 | jnwhiteh | that breaks in 5.3 |
| 06:21.11 | haste | I've always used buildnumber or TOC |
| 06:21.12 | jnwhiteh | potentially |
| 06:21.17 | jnwhiteh | build works, always =) |
| 06:21.19 | jnwhiteh | that's why I've used it |
| 06:21.30 | Fisker | toc to the hand |
| 06:21.31 | Fisker | HEHE |
| 06:21.34 | jnwhiteh | (in before they break build number sequentiality |
| 06:21.35 | jnwhiteh | ) |
| 06:21.51 | kd3 | methinks we'd have bigger problems then |
| 06:22.06 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 06:24.19 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/OoLgyfY.jpg |
| 06:44.53 | Neffi | !lua return "1a" > "1" |
| 06:44.53 | batbot | Neffi: > true |
| 06:46.34 | Neffi | function isgreaterver(v1,v2) local M1,m1,r1=v1:split('.'); local M2,m2,r2=v2:split('.'); return M1>M2 or m1>m2 or r1>r2 end |
| 07:05.46 | Fisker | haste me |
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| 07:06.44 | haste | only if you Fisker me |
| 07:31.18 | karl_w_w | just had a thought, requiring people to have a doctor's note in order to take a sick day is tantamount to paying them less for sick days |
| 07:31.22 | karl_w_w | which is illegal |
| 07:35.07 | Fisker | Fiskers haste |
| 07:35.26 | haste | hastes Fisker |
| 07:37.51 | karl_w_w | karl_w_ws karl_w_w |
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| 07:40.34 | karl_w_w | how does a cheese and salsa sandwich sound? |
| 07:40.50 | haste | too vegetarian |
| 07:42.48 | karl_w_w | ran out of sandwichable meat |
| 07:43.00 | kd3 | make toast? |
| 07:43.04 | kd3 | toast is good at all times of day |
| 07:44.58 | karl_w_w | wow cheese and salsa sandwich is yummy |
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| 07:47.49 | MysticalOS | did todays patch have ui changes? |
| 07:48.10 | kd3 | yes - I'll have the email out when I wake up (it's still downloading) |
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| 08:16.04 | Kalroth | hhaha |
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| 10:07.07 | Stanzilla | so happy that opera's using webkit now |
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| 10:23.50 | Maldivia | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCnAVe5CQAE7D-q.jpg |
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| 10:29.14 | Maldivia | just some food for thoughts for tomorrow :) |
| 10:35.31 | karl_w_w | wording implies all 4 children were conceived on valentine's day |
| 10:36.04 | karl_w_w | I think we all know what he meant by "my love for you grows" |
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| 11:13.16 | F16Gaming | karl_w_w has a dirty mind? |
| 11:14.36 | Kalroth | very |
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| 12:44.12 | Arrowmaster | its so cute http://i.imgur.com/QpXFJ.jpg |
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| 13:19.43 | zenzio | aww |
| 13:31.18 | zenzio | all right, it's apparently four weeks, old, but... http://m.vice.com/read/this-interview-with-megan-fox-is-the-worst-thing-ever-written-esquire |
| 13:31.20 | zenzio | "But SURELY, any rational person, upon typing the sentence 'Megan Fox is not an ancient Aztec' would think 'Wait, maybe this is a bit much? [...]'" |
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| 13:39.36 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. Happy... um. It's Wednesday, right? |
| 13:40.54 | zenzio | yup |
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| 13:46.11 | karl_w_w | epic hole in skyfall: london underground train interior lights don't stay on when they come off the tracks |
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| 13:50.32 | zenzio | looking at a VPS provider's terms of use... "Examples of forbidden content (not limited to): IRC-software, pirated software, hacking sites, programs or archives; warez-sites, copyrighted music, virus" |
| 13:50.37 | zenzio | curses, there goes my virus host |
| 13:51.18 | Maldivia | IRC is forbidden? |
| 13:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh la la. |
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| 13:52.43 | pnorman | they could be thinking of IRCd, or they could be going after the problems which are often found with people running irc bot networks which have historically been subject to a high level of DDOSes |
| 13:54.38 | neutronimity | "[..], programs or archives, [..]" |
| 13:54.47 | neutronimity | Oopsie. |
| 13:54.55 | neutronimity | s/s,/s;/ |
| 13:56.06 | pnorman | of course it sounds like they're afraid of anything that puts load on their system |
| 13:56.24 | karl_w_w | zenzio: that doesn't leave many options for things you can put on there |
| 13:56.40 | zenzio | yeah :( |
| 13:57.00 | pnorman | are they at least cheap? |
| 13:57.33 | zenzio | in case it was unclear though, " hacking sites, programs or archives" is one item (which is why I used a semi-colon afterwards, but it was still unclear... hard to copy a bullet-point list to text) |
| 13:57.42 | pnorman | ah |
| 13:57.57 | zenzio | "hacking sites, -programs or -archives" perhaps would've been better |
| 13:58.31 | zenzio | but it's an hour before the end of the workday, my head isn't functioning at max capacity |
| 13:58.52 | bluworkcow | *opens up Zenzio's brain pan* |
| 13:58.57 | bluworkcow | *sprays in caramel* |
| 13:59.00 | bluworkcow | nommy! |
| 14:01.30 | zenzio | you really shouldn't be doing that |
| 14:01.52 | zenzio | I take medicine for epilepsy, the amount can be dangerous for regular people |
| 14:02.20 | bluworkcow | EXTRA FLAVOURING |
| 14:03.54 | Lopeppeppy | helps you stick to the task at hand |
| 14:04.35 | bluworkcow | Lopeppeppy: I can has cookie ? |
| 14:04.48 | Lopeppeppy | yes, if you have any lying around handy. |
| 14:05.03 | bluworkcow | yay |
| 14:06.20 | mikma | bluworkcow: extra flowering? |
| 14:18.28 | karl_w_w | im so glad i dont have any pesky afflictions like epilepsy |
| 14:18.45 | karl_w_w | thank you blugodcow |
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| 14:54.08 | zenzio | for the life of me I can *never* remember the difference between bashrc and bash_profile |
| 14:58.06 | Fisker | not to mention that many botnets have typically been controlled over irc pnorman |
| 14:58.23 | Fisker | but probably scared of actually providing the service they are paying for |
| 14:58.33 | bluworkcow | a ranmd fisker appears |
| 14:58.39 | Fisker | mad bluworkcow ? |
| 14:58.47 | bluworkcow | nope |
| 14:58.49 | karl_w_w | a ranmad Fisker! |
| 14:58.52 | bluworkcow | glad |
| 14:58.54 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/nhYbr1q |
| 14:58.58 | Fisker | very mad bluworkcow |
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| 14:59.06 | Fisker | wanna buy photoshop? |
| 14:59.16 | Kalroth | rent it |
| 14:59.18 | Kalroth | imo |
| 14:59.21 | Fisker | because then you should fly to the US, buy photoshop, buy me a surface pro and then fly back |
| 14:59.25 | karl_w_w | limitless is so good |
| 14:59.42 | karl_w_w | it's totes going on my favourite movie list |
| 15:00.59 | Kalroth | you're just gay for the lead actor |
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| 15:22.33 | karl_w_w | don't project Kalroth |
| 15:22.54 | Kalroth | well what else was good about it |
| 15:23.00 | Kalroth | i checked my rating, i gave it a 7 |
| 15:24.30 | Fisker | does attack Kalroth |
| 15:24.39 | Kalroth | aaa |
| 15:24.47 | Kalroth | bleeds on Fisker and runs away |
| 15:25.03 | Fisker | jerk |
| 15:25.08 | Fisker | calls the police |
| 15:25.12 | bluworkcow | *froops on Fisker , fondles then runs away with Kalroth* |
| 15:25.13 | Kalroth | sry |
| 15:25.35 | bluworkcow | *starts humming the Smurfs theme song* |
| 15:25.53 | Kalroth | http://bluebuddies.com/smurf_fun/smurf_personality_test/smurf_personality_test.htm |
| 15:27.36 | Fisker | i smurfed your mom Kalroth |
| 15:27.52 | Kalroth | http://bluebuddies.com/smurf_fun/smurf_personality_test/jpg/Grouchy_Smurf.jpg |
| 15:28.35 | Kalroth | Fisker: i smurfed your router |
| 15:32.42 | Fisker | i don't even have a router |
| 15:35.25 | bluworkcow | *gasp* |
| 15:35.37 | bluworkcow | then wat did kalroth just smurf |
| 15:35.44 | bluworkcow | O_O |
| 15:35.48 | bluworkcow | he smurfed the fridge! |
| 15:46.50 | Lopeppeppy | Does that hurt? |
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| 16:22.35 | ccox | "So, on a scale of one to miserable, how are you feeling?" "around 6" |
| 16:23.58 | Unkle | Headline: "Why Sea Slugs Dispose of Their Own Penises" - Not what I want to see before my first dose of caffeine. |
| 16:27.49 | Shirik | Has anyone ever heard of "The Way of Kings"? |
| 16:28.00 | Shirik | and if so, recommend it? |
| 16:29.21 | Unkle | It's good to be the king. |
| 16:32.28 | karl_w_w | I've never met a king I didn't like |
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| 16:36.45 | pnorman | Shirik: yes |
| 16:37.08 | Shirik | someone told me it was basically the best book ever |
| 16:37.21 | Shirik | I am looking for a second opinion |
| 16:37.47 | pnorman | it's good, it's long, it involves a fantasy world without any of the traditional elves/etc |
| 16:37.55 | Semlar | that's what she said |
| 16:41.15 | karl_w_w | weird, that's the second time my left earphone has stopped working and the only to fix it is to plug it into something else then back into my pc |
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| 16:47.28 | Fisker | i'm gonna mess you up bluworkcow |
| 16:59.44 | bluworkcow | *gasp* |
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| 17:31.50 | neutronimity | I am a fan of good-looking stuff. http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/clique/tickets/90 |
| 17:32.21 | neutronimity | I might change my handle soon also. |
| 17:32.26 | Lopeppeppy | no no no no no! |
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| 17:36.05 | neutronimity | Why not? |
| 17:36.12 | Humbedooh | yes yes yes yes yes? |
| 17:36.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'll have what he's having. |
| 17:37.01 | Humbedooh | rawr! |
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| 17:59.55 | mikma | jnwhiteh: neutronimity assploded clique |
| 18:00.07 | neutronimity | What? .o |
| 18:00.12 | neutronimity | I did no such thing |
| 18:01.41 | Humbedooh | you made jnwhiteh sad now ;( |
| 18:01.49 | Humbedooh | all his hard work is for nothing! |
| 18:02.10 | Semlar | oh jnwhiteh told me to tell you to disable something or other |
| 18:02.20 | mikma | maybe brains |
| 18:02.41 | neutronimity | Disable what? :P |
| 18:02.46 | Semlar | blizzard integration code |
| 18:03.25 | neutronimity | I don't know what that is >_< |
| 18:03.54 | smcn | blizzard frame integration options |
| 18:03.55 | smcn | in clique |
| 18:04.11 | smcn | my problem is i actually use blizzard's raid frames :( compactraidframes taint 24/7 |
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| 18:07.51 | karl_w_w | whoa there are people who use blizzard raid frames? |
| 18:08.01 | smcn | at least one |
| 18:08.23 | Kaylin | I do. |
| 18:08.27 | smcn | i prefer to use blizzard ui whenever possible |
| 18:08.53 | karl_w_w | me too |
| 18:09.12 | karl_w_w | i just find that possible is extremely rare |
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| 18:09.32 | karl_w_w | sems Semlar |
| 18:09.36 | Semlar | stop that |
| 18:09.40 | smcn | really my only issue with them is that it shows me magic effects on my ret paladin even when i'm filtering things that i can't dispel, which i guess is "fixed" in 5.2 with hand of sac removing magic effects :P |
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| 18:10.01 | Semlar | my internet isn't what you'd call stable |
| 18:12.30 | karl_w_w | frost getting so many buffs in 5.2 |
| 18:12.46 | karl_w_w | really looking forward to topping the charts again! |
| 18:13.02 | Semlar | that's not the frost i know |
| 18:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | <karl_w_w> whoa there are people who use blizzard raid frames? |
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| 18:14.06 | Mr_Rabies | i love the blizzard frames |
| 18:14.21 | Mr_Rabies | i've yet to find an addon to provide so much info in the same space without going overboard and making itself useless |
| 18:14.32 | Semlar | i never bothered using any other unit frames |
| 18:14.32 | smcn | grid was pretty good |
| 18:14.43 | smcn | i haven't used it since bc though |
| 18:16.07 | karl_w_w | anyone know if the healing from glyphed evocation shows on the healing prediction thingo? |
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| 18:20.53 | jnwhiteh | neutronimity: i'm here now |
| 18:20.54 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:21.02 | neutronimity | I am in lfr :o sorry |
| 18:21.18 | jnwhiteh | no worries |
| 18:21.23 | jnwhiteh | i'm not saying i'll actually DO anything |
| 18:21.26 | jnwhiteh | but i'll try to help :P |
| 18:22.04 | Mr_Rabies | i even use the default unit frames for the same reason |
| 18:22.14 | Mr_Rabies | i've yet to find something that provides as much info in such a concise way |
| 18:23.16 | Mr_Rabies | she may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts |
| 18:31.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/the-legendary-sloth/ I still wonder how some of these people survive day-to-day life |
| 18:35.20 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/id-watch/ but that is just amazing |
| 18:50.26 | karl_w_w | perfect clarity: "Level-capped players will now have a chance to earn Lesser Charms of Good Fortune after winning a pet battle versus a pet within 5 levels of the highest level pet on their team. Higher-level pets will offer a better chance to earn a charm." |
| 18:51.36 | Fisker | what is unclear karl_w_w ? |
| 18:54.28 | karl_w_w | your conscience! |
| 18:57.10 | Fisker | ok |
| 18:57.24 | Fisker | anyone good with networking? |
| 18:58.16 | karl_w_w | sometimes |
| 18:59.17 | Unkle | From the number of recent network intrusions in the news, chances are the answer is "apparently not very many people." |
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| 19:00.23 | Fisker | ":D" |
| 19:00.27 | Fisker | i think the same is the issue here |
| 19:00.38 | Fisker | i'm almost certain that i'm correct |
| 19:00.55 | Fisker | but if we have lan->dmz->server->dmz->internets |
| 19:01.04 | Fisker | the dmz on the internet side shouldn't be able to ping our lan |
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| 19:07.28 | karl_w_w | that makes no sense Fiskery Fisk |
| 19:11.50 | karl_w_w | if putting something in a dmz causes it to become unpingable the dmz is completely failing at its job |
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| 19:17.15 | Unkle | Your diagram basically says lan -> wide open -> server -> wide open -> internet |
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| 19:24.51 | Fisker | pls Unkle |
| 19:25.07 | Fisker | of course the server is in the dmz |
| 19:25.11 | Fisker | i mean the access points to it |
| 19:25.13 | Fisker | jersk |
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| 19:33.52 | Neffi | holy shit: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/hey-presto-opera-switches-to-webkit/ |
| 19:34.27 | Neffi | In a few years, Webkit might become the new gold-standard the way IE was in the 90s. Pages being coded exclusively for compatibility with it. |
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| 19:45.51 | zenzelezz | I love this clip; especially from ~6:00 on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKIiUsbOO24 |
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| 19:46.28 | Fisker | in a few years you may become a hobo Neffi |
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| 20:10.03 | Neffi | That may be |
| 20:10.06 | Neffi | Or I may be rich, Fisker |
| 20:13.05 | Neffi | Does anyone have or know of a list of passive procs with CDs (like Cheat Death, Cauterize, etc)? |
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| 20:15.55 | Fisker | such is the nature of dumb unfounded speculation Neffi |
| 20:16.23 | Neffi | It's not necessarily unfounded. The trend is already showing itself in the mobile space. |
| 20:16.43 | Neffi | Hence Microsoft's campaign to not "develop for Webkit" |
| 20:19.04 | Fisker | difference being that IE didn't follow the standards |
| 20:19.11 | Fisker | so coding for IE broke other browsers |
| 20:19.20 | Fisker | coding for webkit won't neccessarily do the same in this case |
| 20:19.25 | Fisker | in which case it's a non-issue |
| 20:20.37 | Neffi | AFAIK there are a few Webkit-specific features |
| 20:21.10 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:21.11 | Neffi | You've also got the prevalance of coders who implement draft specifications using vendor-specific prefixes, then never remove the prefix when it evolves past draft status |
| 20:21.44 | Fisker | sure |
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| 20:22.28 | Neffi | And it seems IE is making effort to follow standards nowadays. But if people start targeting Webkit specific features, they're making the same mistakes that coders in the 90s made by targeting only IE. |
| 20:22.51 | Neffi | The effect may not be as large, but the boot's being put on the other foot |
| 20:23.19 | Fisker | don't make stuff for a standard that is still in drafting stages then |
| 20:23.25 | Fisker | it's a current problem, not a future problem |
| 20:24.15 | cogwheel | your face is a future problem. |
| 20:24.49 | Fisker | nope cogwheel |
| 20:26.55 | Neffi | Now that's speculating that at some point in the future, all coders will suddenly become good |
| 20:27.28 | Neffi | I think that's more ludicrous than me claiming that Webkit is going to eat the web for dinner |
| 20:28.43 | Fisker | I'm not saying coders will become good |
| 20:29.02 | jnwhiteh | just got this email from a user, regarding a.. 'conflict' on a curseforge ticket from over a month ago: http://pastebin.ca/2313562 |
| 20:29.03 | Fisker | But if they made it now using webkit draft extensions then they're not making it in the future |
| 20:29.04 | jnwhiteh | still nice to hear =) |
| 20:29.09 | Fisker | then they're not coding it to webkit in the future |
| 20:29.15 | Fisker | but they did in the past and didn't update their site |
| 20:29.54 | Fisker | Point is this: you can build something that is compatible in webkit and standards complian and henceforth should also be compatible in all other browsers |
| 20:29.59 | Fisker | that was basically not possible with IE |
| 20:30.04 | Fisker | compliant* |
| 20:30.36 | Fisker | So to make it become the "way IE was in the past" they would have to actually break the standards in similar ways |
| 20:30.42 | Fisker | and that is speculative as fuck |
| 20:31.05 | Neffi | "speculative as fuck" |
| 20:31.06 | Neffi | i like that |
| 20:31.09 | jnwhiteh | me2 |
| 20:33.13 | Unkle | fucks are always speculative, until they're happening. |
| 20:37.16 | mikma | jnwhiteh: y u being so noob, be like fisker, a retard!!!111 |
| 20:37.20 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 20:37.35 | Torhal|work | buries Fisker in smoke. |
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| 20:45.46 | Lopeppeppy | Are you sure they're real even then, Unkle? |
| 20:46.45 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: At this rate, I'm convinced most fucks are speculative. |
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| 20:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. You could have a point there. |
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| 21:19.38 | Adys | can you transmog tabards? |
| 21:19.47 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 21:19.54 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i tried that once |
| 21:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | Into what, teacups? |
| 21:20.07 | Semlar | well some tabards have a use |
| 21:20.08 | Humbedooh | you so silly |
| 21:20.24 | Semlar | but you want it to look like something else |
| 21:20.55 | bleeter | Cairenn: pidgin 2.10.7 is out, please update. though I think they've pulled the Windows 'online' installer so you'd need to pickup the offline https://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin/files/Pidgin/2.10.7/pidgin-2.10.7-offline.exe/download |
| 21:21.08 | bleeter | I expect the online installer to be back Soon(tm)( |
| 21:22.08 | Unkle | I guess I should update too. |
| 21:22.33 | bleeter | Cairenn: there's been some nice Windows security fixes, thanks to the Tor team. see changelog https://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/ChangeLog |
| 21:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | is pidgin any good yet? last time i used it it was pretty crap |
| 21:24.41 | bleeter | Unkle: certainly Windows users should update ASAP. MacPorts, probably update. Other *nix, check the ChangeLog |
| 21:24.52 | Unkle | It's no Adium, but it's not awful. |
| 21:25.04 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: any good for what? If you're referring to IRC, then no. Because we all use irssi for irc :) |
| 21:25.16 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah no, irc in an IM program is awful |
| 21:25.42 | Mr_Rabies | it was just ugly and was missing quite a few features back when i used it |
| 21:25.50 | Mr_Rabies | it looked like every other GTK+ program: crap |
| 21:26.08 | bleeter | reverse engineering protocols under a unified UI is Hard. |
| 21:27.03 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: how many years ago, as a matter of interest? If only a year or so ago, then probably not. If it was 4+ years ago, it's probably changed a bit. Can't remember when the cut to GTK2 only was made, but that was another 'change' |
| 21:27.25 | Mr_Rabies | probably 3-4 years ago |
| 21:27.39 | bleeter | probably changed a little, but not that much. dunno |
| 21:27.45 | Mr_Rabies | i used digsby at that point, but i honestly haven't really cared that much about IM stuff since steam has matured a bit |
| 21:28.04 | bleeter | but what I was saying about a unified UI for a plugabble multi-protocol chat program is quite difficult. |
| 21:28.10 | Mr_Rabies | facebook and steam cover pretty much all i needed AIM/MSN/Y! chat for |
| 21:28.32 | Adys | Semlar: yeah i want to wear my argent crusader's tabard for the tp |
| 21:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | i agree, but work put in doesn't matter if the product doesn't appeal to me :p |
| 21:28.37 | Unkle | I will give up my AIM account when they bury me in the cold, cold ground. |
| 21:28.39 | bleeter | gotta try and keep native client users happy and in their comfort zone across multiple protocols whilst trying to adhere to free desktop.org's HIG |
| 21:28.41 | Adys | but i dont want the f'kin grey look with netherwind |
| 21:28.44 | Adys | i coud use the wsg one |
| 21:28.46 | Adys | looks awesome |
| 21:31.29 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: 2 last things, not trying to excuse just tell the stories, was 'only' about 5 years ago that the comms library, libpurple, was separated out from the UI. that was a lot of effort that burned out folks with interest in UI. Also, if using Pidgin on Windows it'll always feel arse because MS are very anti-GTK/QT/other toolkits |
| 21:31.46 | bleeter | whilst they don't ban them outright (although metro does) they do make it bloody hard to make stuff work |
| 21:32.20 | Mr_Rabies | i've yet to really be very impressed with anything using GTK myself, in windows or otherwise |
| 21:33.20 | Mr_Rabies | all of them that i've used seem like coders who can't design a sleek or functional UI are designing them by necessity |
| 21:33.54 | Mr_Rabies | weird font kerning, drop down menus everywhere, bad font choices |
| 21:33.56 | bleeter | if you ever had the misfortune to use predecessors like CDE or Motif, you'd be impressed with GTK quite easily :P |
| 21:34.34 | bleeter | sorry, motif WAS the building blocks of CDE... what am I saying! |
| 21:34.58 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: as with every OS, every toolkit sucks |
| 21:35.17 | Unkle | Say what you will about the rest of Apple stuff, but the Human Interface Guidelines book in their developer series was/is a very useful reference. I regret that I no longer have my old copy. |
| 21:35.37 | Mr_Rabies | i'm pretty impressed with the default ubuntu UI, myself |
| 21:35.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's the closest thing to a usable linux UI that i've seen to date |
| 21:36.04 | Mr_Rabies | i gotta tweak it a bit to make it usable by me, but it's fairly simple |
| 21:36.06 | Unkle | Once they decide which side of a window the controls belong on... |
| 21:36.10 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, lol |
| 21:36.19 | Mr_Rabies | i just tweak that to act like windows and i'm set |
| 21:36.46 | Unkle | I get miffed with the 'standard' components vary in location between applications. |
| 21:37.04 | bleeter | best unix UI is what Nokia put on the N9 |
| 21:37.41 | bleeter | probably only use it 3-4 times a day for about 30 seconds each time. but every time I go back to any other machine, I'm still trying to use it's gestures etc. just so damned natural |
| 21:38.23 | bleeter | (this includes using it over VNC) |
| 21:41.51 | bleeter | I guess it comes down to how one approaches each individual device, either as an appliance or a general tool. |
| 21:42.20 | Adys | Need some advice on SSDs |
| 21:42.31 | Unkle | All hail the computer - the device that does everything. It is the KING of the generalists. :) |
| 21:42.32 | bleeter | some folks want an appliance, they're usually happy with OSX or Ubuntu Unity. Some folks want general purpose, and don't |
| 21:42.37 | bleeter | Adys: don't defrag them |
| 21:42.50 | Unkle | Adys: What sort of advice? |
| 21:43.04 | Maldivia | Adys: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-benchmark,3269-6.html :P |
| 21:43.05 | Adys | I want a 256GB one (, good speed and longevity, |
| 21:43.10 | Adys | (or higher if there is) |
| 21:43.17 | Adys | budget is high |
| 21:43.18 | bleeter | for the love of $deity please do not ever defrag SSDs |
| 21:43.23 | Unkle | The one from Crucial have served me well. |
| 21:43.27 | Adys | wtf am i a windows user bleeter? |
| 21:43.30 | Semlar | when was the last time you defragged anything |
| 21:44.04 | Adys | Maldivia: wow, that is insanely cheap |
| 21:44.05 | bleeter | Adys: first post was a troll, second was for the lurkers :) |
| 21:44.27 | Adys | 840 pro comes out on top and is at £110 |
| 21:44.35 | Adys | what can I get for three times that price? |
| 21:44.41 | Semlar | 3 of them |
| 21:44.51 | Adys | 10/10 |
| 21:44.54 | Adys | Perfectly executed |
| 21:45.11 | Semlar | you can put them in raid! |
| 21:45.21 | Maldivia | Adys: you sure you're looking at the 256GB version for that price? |
| 21:45.27 | bleeter | guild raid was decimated a couple of weeks ago because someone* decided to defrag their hard drive during halfway point break. (*yes, most experienced MT raider) |
| 21:45.35 | Adys | apparently so Maldivia |
| 21:45.51 | Maldivia | that sounds extremely cheap |
| 21:45.54 | Adys | http://www.ebuyer.com/410473-samsung-128gb-840-pro-series-ssd-mz-7pd128bw |
| 21:46.04 | Adys | yeah it sounds abnormally cheap |
| 21:46.14 | bleeter | EOL? |
| 21:46.26 | Semlar | um, you don't need to defrag any modern operating system |
| 21:46.30 | Semlar | at least not manually |
| 21:46.55 | Maldivia | Adys: that reads 128gb |
| 21:47.04 | Adys | Oh fuck you google |
| 21:47.10 | Adys | you lose a lot of points on this one |
| 21:47.21 | bleeter | haha |
| 21:47.21 | Adys | second time they get this website on top on a wrong shopping research |
| 21:47.50 | Adys | Maldivia: hmm, Im finding the 512gb version for $500 on some US sites |
| 21:48.11 | Semlar | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147193 |
| 21:48.29 | bleeter | Semlar: folks are still running XP 'coz they can't make the leap to Win7 any more :( |
| 21:48.41 | bleeter | Semlar: and they don't wanna touch WIn8 |
| 21:48.58 | Semlar | you don't even really need a valid cd key to run newer versions of windows |
| 21:49.07 | Semlar | once it expires it just kind of nags you about it |
| 21:49.27 | Maldivia | Adys: the 512GB versions were left out of the toms hardware list, as mentioned in the article |
| 21:49.55 | Semlar | this 256gb version on newegg is $230 |
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| 21:51.11 | Semlar | the ocz vector is the same price |
| 21:52.12 | smcn | yay both of my 90s are now ready for 5.2 lfr |
| 21:53.46 | Adys | http://www.ebuyer.com/410475-samsung-512gb-840-pro-series-ssd-mz-7pd512bw |
| 21:53.49 | Adys | what is up with this website |
| 21:53.53 | Adys | it's the cheapest one again |
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| 21:57.21 | kd3 | hm. they haven't actually pushed the new ptr build live yet |
| 22:02.35 | TC-work | Adys: sounds like they fell off a lorry |
| 22:02.43 | Adys | yeah |
| 22:02.54 | Adys | 5 years warranty so I'm giving it a shot |
| 22:03.15 | TC-work | can always do a bit of googleing and see what people have to say |
| 22:03.20 | TC-work | about the site |
| 22:03.22 | Adys | just did |
| 22:03.26 | Adys | its all good |
| 22:03.30 | Adys | *shrugs* |
| 22:13.38 | kd3 | ! |
| 22:13.44 | kd3 | Chernobyl roof collapses under snow. EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY CALM [Scary] |
| 22:14.01 | kd3 | http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/02/13/chernobyl_roof_partly_collapses_under_heavy_snow_everybody_should_be_absolutely_calm.html |
| 22:15.00 | VIad | burbin nerbs, firbs rushe veena fredishay bloo bagoo baba! |
| 22:15.07 | VIad | (simlish, sims speak) |
| 22:18.17 | Mr_Rabies | if snow was enough to break it it probably wasn't containing much anyway |
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| 22:37.14 | smcn | lfr loves giving me shatouched weapons |
| 22:37.57 | Mr_Rabies | not me :( |
| 22:38.02 | Mr_Rabies | still don't have any |
| 22:41.33 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 22:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | i died, i'm dead now |
| 22:41.39 | Mr_Rabies | [05:40][2][Gilidiirn] dose anyone now how to get a sha weapen or show me |
| 22:41.52 | kd3 | I got my first one yesterday |
| 22:41.59 | Mr_Rabies | someone said "raid drop" |
| 22:42.00 | Mr_Rabies | then |
| 22:42.03 | Mr_Rabies | [05:41][2][Gilidiirn] raid fivder or namal |
| 22:42.07 | kd3 | wow |
| 22:42.27 | nevcairiel | dont laugh at poor people that cant spell! |
| 22:42.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm starting to worry my battlegroup is the short bus and no one bothered to tell me |
| 22:42.47 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 22:43.04 | kd3 | ruin is fun |
| 22:43.06 | nevcairiel | maybe you were meant to go there? |
| 22:43.35 | Mr_Rabies | that's why i'm worried |
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| 22:49.11 | neutronimity | http://pastebin.com/UNdkfAan |
| 22:49.34 | Semlar | why you gotta break everything |
| 22:50.34 | Semlar | the actions that are being blocked are just like showing unit frames |
| 22:50.36 | neutronimity | It's what I do. https://plus.google.com/u/0/113287599972932942321/about |
| 22:50.38 | foxlit | in my opinion, none of those stacks are interesting |
| 22:50.58 | foxlit | and treating this as a taint issue is a wild goose chase. |
| 22:51.14 | Semlar | yeah i don't think any of this would affect the action buttons |
| 22:51.34 | Semlar | i have no idea what the problem is |
| 22:51.38 | neutronimity | Ok. :( |
| 22:51.42 | bleeter | Semlar: yeah I grok the win key thing but people like the facade of official support |
| 22:52.03 | bleeter | puts on his 'I see dumb people' shirt and heads out into the dawn |
| 22:52.27 | Semlar | you can't see anything because you're heading into the sun |
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| 22:53.59 | neutronimity | Would taintLog 2 help anything? |
| 22:54.34 | foxlit | ~8ball |
| 22:54.35 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Most likely |
| 22:54.39 | neutronimity | By the way, back to this Blizzard Frame Integration thing that I missed. What was it about? |
| 22:54.42 | foxlit | wrong, purl, wrong. |
| 22:54.50 | bleeter | Semlar: It is cloudy and overcast. |
| 22:54.57 | Semlar | i'm assuming a setting in clique |
| 22:55.08 | smcn | neutronimity you mean for clique? there's a setting to disable integration with blizzard unit frames |
| 22:55.36 | smcn | that "might" stop the errors but then again i get errors on things that don't interact with unitframes whatsoever |
| 22:55.53 | neutronimity | Yup. Well. That means if I disable these frames (player, focus, party, etc), I can't use clickcasting on these frames? |
| 22:56.01 | smcn | correct |
| 22:56.06 | neutronimity | Oh. >_< |
| 22:57.01 | Cairenn | thanks bleeter |
| 22:57.03 | neutronimity | I feel like I am the only player in the world that uses /use [mod]<spell> macros on his action bar, and the stock blizzard raid frames for healing |
| 22:57.15 | smcn | not at all |
| 22:57.30 | Semlar | i used the stock unit frames for healing |
| 22:57.32 | neutronimity | Yes but all my macros break *bawl* |
| 22:57.52 | Semlar | basically every one of my buttons was a mouseover macro |
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| 22:57.57 | smcn | well actually i don't use [mod] macros but i do use mouseover macros in conjunction with clique and blizzard raid frames |
| 22:58.55 | Mr_Rabies | i use clique for healing but i don't heal as mainspec |
| 22:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | or even offspec, for that matter |
| 22:59.09 | neutronimity | By the way, today I broke two macros in one session for the first time ever. |
| 22:59.21 | smcn | i use clique as ret paladin for hands |
| 22:59.23 | Mr_Rabies | but i get a free instant heal every minute or so |
| 22:59.38 | smcn | and mouseover macros for flash of light & lay on hands |
| 22:59.38 | Mr_Rabies | so i use it on myself or others |
| 22:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | ~120-300k free instant cast heal is pretty nice |
| 22:59.59 | purl | okay, Mr_Rabies |
| 23:00.01 | neutronimity | Yup. That is what I used it for, too, before branching out to healing in general. |
| 23:00.03 | Mr_Rabies | oh no |
| 23:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 23:00.07 | Mr_Rabies | ~120 |
| 23:00.14 | neutronimity | lol |
| 23:00.18 | Mr_Rabies | ~120-300k |
| 23:00.21 | Mr_Rabies | eh |
| 23:00.22 | Mr_Rabies | whatever |
| 23:00.27 | neutronimity | ~120- |
| 23:00.29 | smcn | ~120-300k free instant cast heal |
| 23:00.29 | purl | rumour has it, 120-300k free instant cast heal is pretty nice |
| 23:00.32 | smcn | lol |
| 23:02.32 | VIad | Cairenn got bored of listening to silly talk |
| 23:02.46 | neutronimity | ~8ball |
| 23:02.46 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Yes |
| 23:03.04 | VIad | bring forth the dirty talk while the moderators are away |
| 23:03.06 | neutronimity | Sounds like I should try taintLog 2! |
| 23:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | i've given up on trying to track down taint |
| 23:03.42 | foxlit | man up and do some actual debugging is what you should do. |
| 23:03.42 | neutronimity | On what? |
| 23:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | i just let it happen and reload my ui every time i need to do something |
| 23:04.23 | neutronimity | I remember you had trouble with macros, too, but different from me. Can't remember any closer. |
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| 23:14.42 | VIad | Semlar: sorry for not speaking to you in a while |
| 23:14.50 | VIad | just lot's to do ya know :( |
| 23:14.58 | neutronimity | Oh. Break-up? |
| 23:17.02 | VIad | ROFL http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-exploits/400026-wts-dupe-method.html |
| 23:17.11 | VIad | selling duple exploit for 3000$ haha xD |
| 23:18.21 | VIad | not even a lol ? :P |
| 23:20.44 | neutronimity | http://pastebin.com/brzEZmwx |
| 23:20.50 | neutronimity | What does that indicate? :o |
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| 23:23.27 | neutronimity | pokes at Semlar|Laptop with http://pastebin.com/brzEZmwx |
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| 23:31.47 | Semlar|Laptop | i just don't see how only one macro button could be breaking |
| 23:37.46 | VIad | Semlarhttp://imgur.com/gallery/SBElyjz |
| 23:38.14 | Semlar|Laptop | i see |
| 23:43.07 | Semlar|Laptop | neutronimity: did you try and get it to break with the integration disabled |
| 23:43.55 | neutronimity | Semlar|Laptop I can try that but then I won't be able to heal with clickcasting on Blizzard raid frames on the other character .. |
| 23:44.34 | Semlar|Laptop | it would narrow down the problem |
| 23:44.51 | Semlar|Laptop | if it even really is clique |
| 23:45.28 | neutronimity | Ok |
| 23:45.32 | neutronimity | Will try some time |
| 23:45.48 | Semlar|Laptop | clique is causing taint but it's not something i could definitively say is interfering with anything |
| 23:45.57 | VIad | Semlar http://imgur.com/gallery/YvlaAxQ |
| 23:46.21 | Semlar|Laptop | i mean if all the buttons were breaking that's one thing |
| 23:46.37 | Semlar|Laptop | but just one button randomly not working is bizarre |
| 23:47.25 | Semlar|Laptop | my hard drive doesn't write this fast vlad |
| 23:47.29 | VIad | :D |
| 23:47.50 | VIad | it's megabit I believe, still fast tough |
| 23:50.37 | Semlar|Laptop | average hard drive writes 50-120MB/s |
| 23:51.59 | VIad | never had my internet wait for my HD to catch up before :P |
| 23:52.16 | VIad | probably not even a function on the network card, like "wtf I gotta slow down? what's this shit?" |
| 23:52.38 | Semlar|Laptop | buffering |
| 23:52.57 | neutronimity | http://pastebin.com/xfWkX61Y with all frame integration disabled |
| 23:53.05 | neutronimity | (macro did not broke during this time if relevant) |
| 23:53.10 | neutronimity | break* |
| 23:54.18 | Semlar|Laptop | it's not really anything though |
| 23:54.48 | neutronimity | oops |
| 23:54.51 | neutronimity | this is wrong paste |
| 23:55.31 | neutronimity | wtf |
| 23:55.34 | neutronimity | this is right paste |
| 23:55.39 | neutronimity | the text just looked smaller lol |
| 23:56.26 | VIad | Semlar http://imgur.com/gallery/wWJ5p0w :'( |
| 23:57.06 | Semlar|Laptop | basically anything an addon does is considered tainted |
| 23:57.53 | Semlar|Laptop | it has to actually come into contact with blizzard code for there to be a problem |
| 23:58.14 | VIad | Semlar http://imgur.com/gallery/SCBplTe gotta try :D |
