| 00:04.57 | Thunder_Child | You are better than me Shirik, I can't stand on use items |
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| 00:41.37 | karl_w_w | that's awesome Cairenn |
| 00:41.54 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 01:22.03 | kd3 | ouch. what to choose? http://imgur.com/SuZQUWF |
| 01:24.01 | karl_w_w | in australia neither, take it to $40.02 :P |
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| 03:08.33 | Stanzilla | foxlit: poo guy had to wait 4 hours for approval :( |
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| 06:17.27 | Shirik | Thunder_Child? |
| 06:18.58 | bluspacecow | A SHIRIK! |
| 06:19.11 | Shirik | hi |
| 06:19.12 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: your post about lulu |
| 06:21.11 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:21.18 | Shirik | kinda got used to it after a while |
| 06:21.26 | Shirik | that's what I generally think too |
| 06:22.31 | Thunder_Child | although i have been doing nothing but ARAM lately |
| 06:44.31 | Semlar | bluspacecow how do you hug without elbows |
| 06:44.46 | bluspacecow | i has elbows :3 |
| 06:45.53 | Semlar | i see. |
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| 06:59.46 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 06:59.47 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:59.52 | Fisker | surface pro'd yet? |
| 07:00.07 | bluspacecow | *imagines shirik as flat as a surface pro* |
| 07:00.21 | Semlar | bluspacecow how do you fondle without fingers |
| 07:00.35 | bluspacecow | being really creative |
| 07:08.37 | Thunder_Child | he has one finger.... |
| 07:08.47 | karl_w_w | ah i remember when sim cards were actually card sized |
| 07:09.44 | karl_w_w | then phones started coming out and the phone would be like the size and shape of the card eg. the startac |
| 07:10.01 | karl_w_w | then phones started getting smaller* o.O |
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| 07:36.55 | zenzio | blargh... I understand that news websites aren't supposed to "steal" news, but come on... linking to http://www.osnews.com/story/26774/Windows_3_0_contained_three_kernels instead of just directly linking the blog? |
| 07:37.05 | zenzio | the linked page barely has anything but a quote from the article |
| 07:37.47 | zenzio | (in this case the second-tier linker was Blue's News) |
| 07:41.09 | karl_w_w | news giving you blues, zenzio? |
| 07:41.17 | zenzio | apparently so :( |
| 07:41.34 | Semlar | there's a pill for that |
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| 08:33.10 | ccox | Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ANH-0dAO_kw |
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| 08:52.38 | zenzio | "Code stolen by the compiler, how do I circumvent its criminal ways" |
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| 11:22.44 | bleeter | Pope Idol |
| 11:23.03 | bleeter | oops, wrong window... (playing 'reality tv shows to select new pope' game) |
| 11:23.09 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 11:24.39 | Maldivia | at least we'll get rid of the sitting one |
| 11:25.55 | Stanzilla | so Fisker |
| 11:26.01 | Stanzilla | wanne be the new pope? |
| 11:26.44 | Elkano | his love for children would make him a fitting candidate |
| 11:27.13 | bleeter | AND THUS IT IS DECIDED. RELEASE THE SMOKE! |
| 11:27.32 | Semlar | monster |
| 11:27.36 | Semlar | release the smoke monster. |
| 11:33.41 | bleeter | who knew there were so many pope jokes |
| 11:36.44 | bleeter | 'The Audacity Of Pope' |
| 11:37.38 | bleeter | 'ExBenedict' |
| 11:39.16 | bluworkcow | Eggs Benedict |
| 11:39.19 | Maldivia | that sounds like eggs benedict |
| 11:39.23 | Maldivia | bah |
| 11:39.26 | Humbedooh | wonder how long it'll be till we get a new habemus papem |
| 11:39.38 | bluworkcow | a wha |
| 11:39.44 | bluworkcow | a ham colored poodle dog ? |
| 11:39.55 | bleeter | 'We Have A Pope!' |
| 11:40.07 | bleeter | Humbedooh: apparently the cardinals are on their way over |
| 11:40.12 | zenzio | he wasn't so popeular anymore |
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| 11:40.21 | Maldivia | was he ever? |
| 11:40.23 | Humbedooh | didn't hate the gays enough! |
| 11:42.36 | bleeter | "The Pope has stepped down to start his own online payment business, Papal." |
| 11:43.20 | Humbedooh | hurrr |
| 11:44.58 | bleeter | 'Detailed analysis shows that 100% of popes who have used twitter have resigned' |
| 11:45.12 | zenzio | what more evidence do we need |
| 11:45.55 | zenzio | maybe he tried to follow a fake god account but was rejected |
| 11:46.20 | zenzio | though more seriously, his reason seems fair enough |
| 11:46.41 | Elkano | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/539612_10151443603538633_661617160_n.jpg |
| 11:47.26 | bleeter | What are you giving up for Lent?" "Running the largest single religious organisation on the planet" "I was going to to do chocolate" |
| 11:48.02 | bleeter | zenzio: first in 600 years to resign... on health grounds? nah, health grounds sounds like 'family reasons' for single white men |
| 11:52.01 | Maldivia | how is resigning from that post even possible |
| 11:52.29 | bleeter | canon law says you can do it as long as you're not insane (in a tl;dr type of way) |
| 11:52.45 | bleeter | and that no one has to 'accept' the resignation |
| 11:52.45 | Semlar | so you have to be insane to be the pope |
| 11:52.58 | bleeter | Semlar: something like that, yes. ye olde catch 22 |
| 11:53.16 | Semlar | makes perfectly reasonable sense to me |
| 11:53.28 | bleeter | Can The Pope Retire -> http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0786.html |
| 11:53.29 | Maldivia | makes a lot of sense actually |
| 11:53.41 | bleeter | "If it should happen that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that he makes the resignation freely and that it be duly manifested, but not that it be accepted by anyone" |
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| 12:04.02 | bleeter | nah, this is not how to partk a helicopter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EsoWpTO2qg (from Top Gear Korea) |
| 12:06.04 | Maldivia | is that apropos the helicopter crash in LA last night? |
| 12:07.47 | bleeter | there was a chopper crash in LA last night? |
| 12:08.59 | Maldivia | yeah, at some reality tv set, killing 3 people |
| 12:11.48 | bleeter | bugger |
| 12:12.55 | Maldivia | was just reading about it when you pasted the link |
| 12:15.57 | bleeter | right so now the jokes have moved to pope containing horse meat... |
| 12:16.43 | Maldivia | as in a reference to burger king? |
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| 12:17.51 | bleeter | EU horsemeat frozen foods scandal thing |
| 12:18.57 | Maldivia | personally, I'm not a fan of horse meat - it's too sweet |
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| 13:46.24 | zenzio | omg guys |
| 13:46.25 | zenzio | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/02/11/0254238/when-1-gb-is-really-09313-gigabytes |
| 13:46.32 | zenzio | we've been living blind for all these years! |
| 13:46.44 | zenzio | (aka. WTF has Slashdot devolved into :() |
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| 13:53.39 | Fisker | btw bluworkcow |
| 13:53.44 | Fisker | file:/// ? |
| 13:53.56 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.58 | bluworkcow | mad ? |
| 13:54.10 | znf | art thou mad? |
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| 14:01.23 | zenzio | love the one comment for the linked article... "The 'real' GB includes England, Wales and Scotland. But politically, 'UK' is the correct term when including the region around Belfast." |
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| 14:50.43 | Adys | has anyone here bought a physical copy of mists of pandaria |
| 14:51.02 | karl_w_w | I genuinely don't remember |
| 14:51.37 | Adys | as opposed to dishonestly not remembering? |
| 14:51.56 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 14:52.24 | karl_w_w | it says standard edition on my account, if that indicates |
| 14:53.02 | karl_w_w | i think i did but im not sure |
| 14:53.19 | Adys | i need someone with a physical copy of the cds |
| 14:53.31 | zenzio | how come? |
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| 14:54.45 | Adys | zezula wants the physical cds' MPQs |
| 14:54.52 | Adys | and those are pretty much the only ones i do not have |
| 15:01.07 | Alram | if they are in the collectors edition i have time |
| 15:01.10 | Alram | but im at work |
| 15:01.12 | Alram | so useless LOL |
| 15:01.19 | Alram | i have them* |
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| 15:08.25 | Adys | Alram: well it can wait until you get home if you're able to do that |
| 15:08.35 | Adys | can you rip them into a nice and neat iso? |
| 15:09.46 | Alram | iso sure |
| 15:09.48 | Alram | nice and neat maybe |
| 15:16.41 | VIad | when someone tells you "those that fear surveillance have something to hide" - how do you counter that with an argument? |
| 15:16.55 | VIad | I just know it's not a sound enough statement, but unsure how to counter it lol |
| 15:17.03 | Kalroth | counter it by hitting that person |
| 15:17.15 | Alram | sounds like a good argument |
| 15:17.19 | Alram | just ask Fisker he'll think of something |
| 15:17.35 | Lopeppeppy | I have no reason to give up my right to privacy just because you think there's a greater need for surveillance. |
| 15:17.41 | Adys | Vlad: tell them "so you don't mind if I follow you around even when you go take a shit?" |
| 15:17.51 | pnorman | VIad: ask to set up a network of cameras in their house |
| 15:17.56 | Alram | classic Adys argument |
| 15:18.11 | Lopeppeppy | http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/19/debunking-the-dangerous-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear/ |
| 15:18.14 | VIad | "but the cameras are only accessed if you are suspected of something, so otherwise they aren't monitored at all" |
| 15:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/the-data-trust-blog/2009/02/debunking-a-myth-if-you-have-n.html |
| 15:18.26 | Kalroth | VIad: ask the person if their last shit was solid or runny .. when they look at you shocked, you say "or is that too personal?" |
| 15:18.29 | Lopeppeppy | http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/ |
| 15:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty-national-security/plenty-hide |
| 15:19.15 | Adys | yeah theres plenty of blogs that counter that very argument |
| 15:20.28 | Lopeppeppy | That's the point, Adys. There are people who will/can argue both side. |
| 15:20.44 | VIad | I personally don't trust people |
| 15:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't mean that either side is right, or that both are "equally valid". |
| 15:20.53 | Kalroth | i think its cool tho, im an exibisionist and i just hope they'll film my dong when they break my privacy |
| 15:20.58 | Adys | except that that argument is bullshit |
| 15:21.12 | VIad | even if the data is not accessed until there is a real reason, still, someone always finds a reason, even if you are innocent. |
| 15:21.19 | Kalroth | exhibitionist too |
| 15:21.34 | Adys | the nothing-to-fear-nothing-to-hide argument is a dead horse and some people state it as a fact |
| 15:21.58 | Lopeppeppy | Of course they do. They like it, they keep it on life support. |
| 15:22.07 | Kalroth | equip all new born babies and we'll have reduced crime to zero in 1-2 generations! |
| 15:22.13 | Kalroth | equip them with an RFID* |
| 15:22.22 | Adys | yeah but my point is in the end its equivalent to stating "You have nothing to fear from the government" as a fact |
| 15:22.52 | Lopeppeppy | I like the bulleted responses in the Chronicle article, honestly. It's not about hiding, it's about my life being none of anyone else's business. |
| 15:24.03 | VIad | I agree we need to have some insight to be able to prevent certain things from happening, but the fine line, I think it's easy to cross it and think it does good but in the end it can do more harm |
| 15:24.51 | VIad | people just can't see the bigger picture, many laws end up being abused in ways no one could imagine - such big decisions like surveillance of everyone, easily abused if you ask me |
| 15:25.45 | mikma | http://hackaday.com/2013/02/11/led-tells-you-when-your-server-has-melted/ |
| 15:26.48 | VIad | Adys: don't know, still not feeling that hat is a good enough argument against them |
| 15:26.55 | VIad | against people that only see the benefits of surveilance |
| 15:27.58 | Adys | Vlad: You will never convince those people until they actually end up in the position of wanting to hide something, regardless of the reason |
| 15:28.46 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.48 | Adys | or weeks. |
| 15:28.52 | Adys | or years. |
| 15:29.05 | VIad | I agree, I don't think hiding means illegal activities |
| 15:29.47 | VIad | if everyone got punished for all they did it would be fair but in reality only those that are middle class or lower, would actually face charges |
| 15:30.04 | VIad | those richer people, ceo, owners of big companies, would find a way to avoid facing charges :P |
| 15:30.19 | Adys | uh.. yeah.. no, it has nothing to do with that |
| 15:30.42 | VIad | with all this lobbying and corruption going on |
| 15:30.53 | VIad | I am sure it will find it's way into those government tapped phones and computer data centers |
| 15:31.15 | VIad | can always blackmail off the records with data they aren't supposed to have :P |
| 15:32.27 | VIad | think I am paranoid, Adys? |
| 15:32.44 | Adys | I think you're overreaching and arent going to win any argument with this |
| 15:33.19 | VIad | so we should ignore how stuff happen in the US today |
| 15:33.25 | VIad | and say it's all fine and dandy? |
| 15:33.38 | Adys | I said, I saidI think you're overreaching and arent going to win any argument with this |
| 15:33.54 | VIad | yeah |
| 15:34.30 | VIad | if I hit you each time I see you on the street, you would assume I would the next time as well :P |
| 15:34.35 | VIad | just saying |
| 15:35.17 | Adys | you wanted to convince someone that the nothing-to-hide philosophy is bs |
| 15:35.26 | VIad | ye |
| 15:35.29 | Adys | you won't do that by telling them how the government is corrupt |
| 15:35.42 | Adys | you need to display the flaw in the logic, what makes it inherently false |
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| 15:36.03 | VIad | I was more trying to say, what you think is trivial doesn't mean it can't be used against you in some way |
| 15:36.16 | Adys | you need to prove them that you may not have to have something to hide to want the government out of your business |
| 15:36.36 | Adys | no because this enforces the nothing-to-hide argument |
| 15:37.23 | VIad | hmm |
| 15:37.31 | Adys | if someone thinks of them as acting within their rights, and furthermore they believe in the system, then they will not think about abuse of power, or at worst they'll think they can get out of it *because* they are within their rights |
| 15:38.39 | VIad | I always like to think of the other side, the illegal side of everything, don't know why |
| 15:38.55 | Fisker | i got like some kind of infection in my penis VIad |
| 15:39.08 | Fisker | so i pinched out some puss |
| 15:40.30 | Adys | Vlad: Amusingly, the whole big brother approach that's going on in the US conflicts with their very own beloved gun "philosophy" |
| 15:40.56 | Adys | so if you're arguing against a gun-loving american you can turn that argument around |
| 15:41.06 | VIad | the surveilance thing isn't only going on in the US, also in norway |
| 15:41.10 | Adys | but that's pretty situational |
| 15:41.11 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:41.13 | VIad | talking about surveilance of ocmputer data and such |
| 15:41.36 | Fisker | did that help you VIad ? |
| 15:41.55 | Adys | well then as i said the only way is to have them display a need for privacy |
| 15:42.01 | VIad | no Fisker :P |
| 15:42.08 | Adys | you can do that passively or intrusively |
| 15:42.20 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 15:42.22 | Fisker | i thought it would |
| 15:42.49 | Adys | if you just want arguments, Lopeppeppy linked some pretty good blog posts |
| 15:42.57 | Adys | there's solid material out there to counter that specific bullshit |
| 15:43.10 | VIad | well for instance, if I report to the government my choices in my business, when some case occurs they could technically use the data and spin it in the way they feel :P I mean, data is nothing without context right? so in the right context the data can both make me come out clean or guilty - depending on situation ofc |
| 15:43.29 | Adys | that will not help |
| 15:44.05 | Adys | someone who believes in the system so blindly that they say "nothing to fear" will not accept this as a hypothetical situation |
| 15:44.06 | Cairenn|afk | ccox: lol |
| 15:44.14 | VIad | that I agree with |
| 15:44.23 | Adys | yeah well then turn the right argument around |
| 15:44.30 | Adys | as i said, show them they want privacy too |
| 15:44.44 | Adys | I like the approach that involves blowing up the bathroom door |
| 15:44.55 | Adys | but then, for some reason, people don't like me. |
| 15:45.35 | VIad | hehe |
| 15:45.54 | VIad | I am very bad at categorizing my views and bringing them up at the right times |
| 15:45.59 | VIad | thus I suck at arguments |
| 15:46.05 | Adys | you could just say "So you won't mind if I have a look at your browser history?" |
| 15:46.07 | VIad | I just feel when something is wrong but can't always put it into words |
| 15:46.19 | Adys | if that's not enough "And maybe look around your cookies?" |
| 15:46.53 | VIad | here is another argument "survellance makes people behave better" |
| 15:47.11 | VIad | because they would think twice before going to porn sites or looking up stuff that is in the gray zone or the "no good" zone |
| 15:47.14 | Adys | well you can't really counter that, it's true |
| 15:47.24 | VIad | but on the other hand |
| 15:47.26 | Adys | you can display that it's pointless |
| 15:48.06 | VIad | just being monitored changes your state of mind but for some it would be stressfull no? |
| 15:48.21 | VIad | like when you go outside, to town to party, you have this "public face" on, doesn't mean you are bad when it's off |
| 15:48.47 | VIad | just a psychological thing and in the long run I wouldn't be surprised if some went mad with all this load on their shoulder to always do as they are expected off |
| 15:49.09 | Adys | this argument stems from *wanting* people to behave better |
| 15:49.34 | Adys | all in all people dont care if others go browse porn sites, but they have this feeling that for some reason *criminals* will behave better |
| 15:50.15 | Adys | "Hm, I *could* hack into the military's program database... but it's under surveillance... guess I'll back off" |
| 15:50.20 | VIad | if a politician donates money for charity, knowing there is a paparatzi taking a picture and writing a good article about them, thus wanting to give away money for such thing - does it make him good? considering he probably wouldn't if he didn't know he was being monitored? |
| 15:50.36 | VIad | tried to use an example I heard in philosophy class back in uni :P |
| 15:50.58 | VIad | even if the act is good, the purpose is different - so is the act still good? :P |
| 15:51.10 | Adys | you don't seem to be listening |
| 15:51.17 | VIad | I do |
| 15:51.18 | nevcairiel | the act is still good, the person is still bad however :P |
| 15:51.35 | VIad | but I think it fits the "monitoring people makes them behave better" argument |
| 15:51.46 | VIad | as an example that it doesn't mean they become good people, just fake good to be liked :P |
| 15:51.48 | VIad | or what ever |
| 15:51.50 | VIad | get votes |
| 15:51.51 | VIad | you name it |
| 15:52.02 | Adys | you cannot counter the argument |
| 15:52.05 | Adys | as I said, it's true |
| 15:52.43 | Adys | your only chance is to display how irrelevant the factor is, especially to the people you'd want to "behave better" |
| 15:52.46 | Adys | or to lie |
| 15:53.20 | VIad | I don't quite agree because it's true only in a certain light |
| 15:53.29 | Adys | that still means its true |
| 15:53.31 | VIad | in that case everything can be true in the right light :P |
| 15:53.42 | Adys | not really |
| 15:53.45 | VIad | if you can put it in light to make it untrue then it's not always true |
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| 15:57.42 | VIad | Adys: you put me in a position where I feel something wrong, I try to explain how I feel by using some examples I feel affect the way I feel on the subject, you say no, I don't feel I get lead into some conclusion to help me out, and I feel stuck back at square 1 :P |
| 15:58.11 | Adys | you wanted my advice, I'm giving it |
| 15:58.45 | Adys | display that actual criminals won't care about surveillance |
| 15:59.16 | Adys | you can show them how encryption works, how tor works, etc |
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| 15:59.37 | Adys | in general, the better knowledge someone has of the infrastructure, the more aware they become of the situation *and* the need for it |
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| 16:00.18 | Adys | you don't quite get a sense just how bad government snooping can be until you see what china has become for good |
| 16:01.26 | VIad | you probably don't agree with me, but, I don't know much, I agree, but I feel I know one thing; anything you do for good can be used for bad, you must make sure to limit the usability of something for bad - if you understand what I mean |
| 16:03.22 | VIad | applying surveilance feels like a hotfix, a temporary patch on something broken, to make it appear functional |
| 16:03.33 | VIad | without actually outweighing the cost benefit ratio |
| 16:03.43 | VIad | but that's just me probably |
| 16:05.01 | VIad | it's ok Adys, you can't save us all :P |
| 16:05.17 | VIad | I am one of those feeling people that probably should be more logical, but fail :P |
| 16:20.47 | VIad | when I think Cisco or Citrix I think VPN |
| 16:20.50 | VIad | how far off am I? |
| 16:21.28 | Fisker | cisco does networking equipment |
| 16:21.40 | Shirik | Citrix is poor man's VPN |
| 16:21.53 | Fisker | it's not even vpn |
| 16:21.56 | VIad | just when I look around works, many write ITIL, cisco, citrix, e.g. these come up often |
| 16:22.01 | Shirik | it's more of a "here's another computer's apps on your computer" |
| 16:22.06 | Fisker | yeah |
| 16:22.07 | VIad | cisco/citrix I figured was network related |
| 16:22.11 | Fisker | and it's horrible |
| 16:22.15 | Fisker | cisco is network related |
| 16:22.21 | Fisker | citrix is basically just remote desktop |
| 16:22.24 | VIad | but I can't figure it's that hard to learn |
| 16:22.34 | VIad | I mean when a job describes they wish you know of these |
| 16:22.37 | Fisker | ITIL is some kind of information sharing technique or some shit |
| 16:22.41 | VIad | I think to myself "jeez it can't be that hard can it?" |
| 16:22.59 | VIad | basically when you start you look around how the routines are and you do the same |
| 16:23.22 | VIad | eventually you integrate and you function, I don't think you need more than a couple of weeks perhaps to be a part of the team |
| 16:23.41 | VIad | just weird that they sometimes, put a lot of emphasis on these names in their job descriptions :P |
| 16:25.16 | VIad | I think they are good at making stuff sound more complicated than they are, personally I am sure I can adapt and integrate faster than they think :P |
| 16:25.38 | VIad | it's not like you start making something from scratch, you just keep doing what those around you or before did, much easier |
| 16:27.34 | VIad | there are some companies nearby that I've never heard of, but I figured maybe I could drop my CV and a letter and ask if they need help with computers, that I can help :P lol |
| 16:27.46 | VIad | one perk is I live so close I can be on site in mater of minutes in emergencies :P |
| 16:28.27 | VIad | not companies, it's like a couple of office buildings, I have never heard of them before but they've been here for years, and I see computers so I figure they need tech support hehe |
| 16:30.28 | VIad | going to work soon, gonna be fun! |
| 16:30.49 | VIad | but I really miss feeling appreciated and usefull, doing what I wanna do, computer realted stuff :( |
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| 16:36.41 | VIad | ok thanks for listening, I guess, going to work in moments so I prepare now :P |
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| 16:38.07 | Unkle | Station |
| 16:39.03 | Lopeppeppy | hiya, Unkle. |
| 16:40.40 | Maldivia | ahh, only 2½ more days |
| 16:40.47 | bluworkcow | Master ! |
| 16:40.53 | bluworkcow | *bows to Unkle* |
| 16:41.39 | Unkle | <emperor palpatine>Ahhh, my young apprentice. </emperor palpatine> |
| 16:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | bluworkcow, don't give him any bigger ego than he's already got. |
| 16:42.05 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 16:42.23 | Unkle | If there's anything more grand or important around here than my ego, I want it found and shot. |
| 16:42.45 | bluworkcow | then hang , drawn , smoked for 7 days , marinated then friend |
| 16:42.56 | bluworkcow | medium rare with mushroom sauce |
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| 16:52.00 | Shirik | I found an american band that doesn't suck |
| 16:52.02 | Shirik | this is impossible |
| 16:53.48 | |Jelly|_ | There are literally thousands of them. |
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| 17:14.37 | Adys | ... |
| 17:14.50 | Adys | that awkward moment when i realise i havent been running a syslog for the past 4 months |
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| 17:17.26 | Amarande | Adys: and the system goes tits up and you wish you had actually had said syslog? |
| 17:17.35 | Adys | no, just the ssh log |
| 17:17.39 | Alram | still need that stuff Adys? |
| 17:17.48 | Adys | Alram: i have someone else doing it i think |
| 17:17.56 | Alram | okay cool |
| 17:17.59 | Alram | my pc would be busy anyways tonight |
| 17:18.04 | Alram | configuring ubuntu to my wishes |
| 17:18.32 | Amarande | and good grief, why are newbie zone guards the highest level mobs in the game. they're higher level than city guards, as well as even raid bosses |
| 17:19.15 | Amarande | bit of a pain when you're trying to scope out for newly minted troll rogues so you can finish this achievement. heh. |
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| 17:36.42 | Amarande | gah, this hunter with a spirit beast is going to drive me batty ... |
| 17:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | Is it... a bat perhaps? Shikaka? |
| 17:37.47 | Amarande | no |
| 17:37.49 | Amarande | I think it's the wolf |
| 17:38.03 | Amarande | it's more because it's a spirit beast that can stealth (is there only one that can or can the whole set of them? not sure) |
| 17:38.15 | Amarande | and I'm trying to track down a troll rogue for the valentine's achievement |
| 17:38.27 | Amarande | and I keep hearing that sound of detected stealth but NO IT'S JUST THAT BLASTED PET |
| 17:39.11 | Amarande | it's pretty crazy. I can't really hope to do it in PvP, since the roses have a casting time, and meeting a hostile rogue in PvP is generally kind of like seeing the video from The Ring |
| 17:39.19 | Amarande | with the extra bonus that they stun you so you can't do what you came to do :P |
| 17:39.26 | Thunder_Child | really? ace ventura/ |
| 17:39.29 | Thunder_Child | //?/ |
| 17:39.34 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 17:39.47 | Amarande | been looking at dalaran but no luck yet |
| 17:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | I watch *everything* cheesy, TC. |
| 17:40.08 | Amarande | tried in front of Orgrimmar, but find everything but (and nicely enough the gnome that was also looking was a warlock, which was the other one I still needed :D) |
| 17:45.00 | Amarande | ... I pity this poor person who's trying to sell contender's now |
| 17:46.40 | Mr_Rabies | Shiiii....ca....go! |
| 17:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | jim carrey defined the 90s for me |
| 17:47.15 | Lopeppeppy | Psych! |
| 17:53.46 | karl_w_w | ssssssssssssmokin' |
| 17:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Laces out. |
| 18:38.34 | Sintacks | so two more lockouts... |
| 18:38.39 | Sintacks | i'm not getting cutting edge |
| 18:38.40 | Sintacks | fml |
| 18:39.09 | Sintacks | if i had 250k gold i could get the two i'm missing ... |
| 18:39.12 | Sintacks | cries. |
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| 18:45.37 | Amarande | wow, they charge that much? |
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| 18:48.34 | Stanzilla | that is not much |
| 18:49.09 | Amarande | 125k is "not much"? :O |
| 18:49.19 | Stanzilla | nope |
| 18:50.26 | karl_w_w | oh sweet so i'll just have enough time to upgrade the sha touched spell sword i got |
| 18:51.17 | Amarande | any mention on why they're taking the upgrades out? |
| 18:51.37 | Amarande | or was it considered an urgent bug removal thing because of things like the spear of xuen glitch, so raid gear upgrades had to go too? :| |
| 18:52.34 | Amarande | (apparently, if you upgraded the Spear of Xuen - not sure if other BoA blues that qualify - if any exist that I can think of, heh - have the same glitch - and then tried to reforge it, it would reset to 463) |
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| 18:55.54 | Mr_Rabies | they don't want people upgrading 5.2 gear so quickly |
| 18:56.30 | Mr_Rabies | if it was an urgent bug removal thing it would have been in a minor patch, not 5.2 :p |
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| 19:11.13 | Amarande | hm. |
| 19:11.15 | Amarande | am I just thinking it |
| 19:11.33 | Amarande | or do adds in boss fights have a markedly greater chance of producing Lovely Charms than any other mob? |
| 19:12.17 | Semlar | i doubt it |
| 19:12.27 | Amarande | like, I just had to fight Wulon and ALL the adds produced charms |
| 19:12.44 | Amarande | and yesterday, we were doing heroic shado-pan and it seemed like the adds on sha of violence produced charms *very* often |
| 19:14.02 | Semlar | well i know back when i still played you could farm swarms of stone bats in deepholm until they decided anything without loot would just not drop them at all |
| 19:14.20 | Semlar | so you wouldn't normally see them drop from mobs you can aoe down |
| 19:14.52 | tharper | I'm (kind of) your day tomorrow, Semlar! |
| 19:14.56 | tharper | It's* |
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| 19:15.11 | Semlar | i have a day!? |
| 19:15.24 | Semlar | do i get to sleep in |
| 19:15.57 | tharper | It is Semla day in Sweden :D |
| 19:16.12 | Semlar | semlas are like sweet rolls right |
| 19:16.43 | tharper | umm, the dough is not sweet |
| 19:16.49 | tharper | but ti's filled with almond paste |
| 19:16.56 | tharper | and then topped with cream |
| 19:17.09 | Semlar | they're like cream puffs |
| 19:17.17 | tharper | but large |
| 19:18.27 | Semlar | i think i'll try and make one to celebrate |
| 19:18.32 | tharper | nice! |
| 19:18.33 | tharper | heh |
| 19:18.39 | tharper | What does your name mean, anyway? |
| 19:18.54 | tharper | you should change it to Semlor, which is the plural of Semla |
| 19:19.58 | Semlar | semlor is less unique though |
| 19:20.28 | tharper | hehe |
| 19:20.28 | Semlar | there can be only one! |
| 19:20.59 | Unkle | You have something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away? |
| 19:21.58 | Unkle | You also left a man's decapitated body, lying on the ground next to his own severed head? A head which at this time has no name? |
| 19:22.47 | Unkle | (Yes, I've seen Highlander many times.) |
| 19:23.15 | Semlar | gently pats Unkle |
| 19:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | That... is a MAN'S.... HEAD! |
| 19:23.49 | Unkle | Wild Wild Wset, Lopeppeppy. Very different sort of movie. :) |
| 19:25.12 | Lopeppeppy | Hey. It's still decapitated peoples. |
| 19:25.41 | Amarande | Semlar: interesting, because Wulon's adds despawn on death and drop no loot |
| 19:25.59 | Amarande | but I got four lovely charms that fight, presumably from said adds since Wulon didn't drop one when he died |
| 19:26.06 | Unkle | Kevin Smith has a great story about Superman and Wild Wild West. It's pretty funny. |
| 19:26.28 | Amarande | also, apparently I just learned about yet another one for the "most. annoying. cheeve. evar." list. heh. |
| 19:26.29 | Semlar | it's possible the aoe looting has screwed that up |
| 19:26.36 | Unkle | Was anything new/exciting/interesting added for the V-Day event? |
| 19:26.54 | Amarande | maybe, but I wasn't looting at the time (and lovely charms drop on mob death, not when you loot) |
| 19:27.08 | Semlar | or that there's just an exception for mobs in instances but that seems kinda questionable |
| 19:27.21 | Amarande | Semlar: especially since Guo-Lai Halls isn't an instance :) |
| 19:29.35 | Semlar | actually you don't loot them so that doesn't make sense anyway |
| 19:31.47 | Amarande | Unkle: don't think it was added, but finding a troll rogue is always an "interesting" task *headdesk* |
| 19:32.10 | Unkle | I have one on a server where I don't play hardly ever. |
| 19:37.14 | Lopeppeppy | winces and throws ice cubes down Unkle's shorts. |
| 19:39.31 | Amarande | oh yay, here's one just as I land to do my anglers dailies |
| 19:39.43 | Amarande | I was beginning to suspect they nearly never get played anymore |
| 19:40.15 | Amarande | that most were abandoned during the great cataclysmic age of melee hate, and a large percentage of the remaining ones people paid race changed to get 85 pandas off the bat |
| 19:40.29 | foxlit | frame:SetScript("OnHide", function(self) self:Hide() end) << This will totally work, right? |
| 19:40.48 | Semlar | seems a bit redundant |
| 19:40.59 | Amarande | (and of course, most of the OTHER remaining ones you only see in PvP, and the trouble with that is, you don't see a good rogue in PvP till everything goes grey :P) |
| 19:41.32 | Semlar | i don't actually know if that would cause a loop or if it would just stop after the first one |
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| 19:48.07 | mikma | tharper: http://mikma.eu/louhinta/Sastamala_2013/Sastamala_11.2.2013-14.44.avi |
| 19:48.16 | mikma | tharper: watch your ears ;) |
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| 19:54.05 | Amarande | but yeah, as for most irritating achievement ever that I've read about, as in "ain't touching this one with an i509 polearm" |
| 19:54.15 | Amarande | the one to finish the crumbling hall and the other one without taking any damage |
| 19:54.28 | Amarande | what kind of gamers does blizz think even play wow, hardcore platformer/shooter/etc. types? heh |
| 20:00.17 | Amarande | or is it a bit shallow of me to expect that an RPG would focus on the kind of challenges one would expect from an RPG :) |
| 20:00.45 | Amarande | (and mind you, yes, I know about things like Tomb of Horrors, those are *not* meant to be an example of the norm ROFL) |
| 20:01.05 | Amarande | (besides, Gary Gygax seemed to be fond of watching player characters die. heh) |
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| 20:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | Kill your darlings, its the only way. |
| 20:13.36 | Amarande | heh, well, I guess it stopped the munchkin power creep of later versions of D&D for the most part :D |
| 20:14.34 | Amarande | but yeah, while old school RPGs required a tremendous amount of luck, they usually didn't combine it with a tremendous amount of twitch-finger platformer action either :) |
| 20:14.43 | Amarande | like I said, I think I'll skip this achievement :P |
| 20:41.36 | durcyn | i did it in one try, what kind of awful are you? |
| 20:43.01 | Amarande | durcyn: I'd say more like 1) which class, and 2) how lucky :) |
| 20:44.08 | Amarande | if it was just having to not be hit by any of the boulders and not step on any incorrect runes, it would still be pretty challenging |
| 20:44.55 | Amarande | due to WoW's battle mechanics, if you're not a pally or a pet class, even if you could target or attack the animating statues in advance, it would still be pretty challenging (especially since there's usually not much room to kite without stepping on an incorrect rune or being hit with a boulder) |
| 20:45.15 | xyphoid | you haven't actually tried it have you |
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| 20:45.51 | Amarande | well, I've done the daily. and had to wowhead to figure out why I couldn't find the last orb (mostly because I was so focused on not aggroing that 4M HP statue in the last room), so that's where I found out about the 'cheeve |
| 20:46.03 | Amarande | then I looked back at the room and tried to figure out exactly how one might go about doing it without taking damage and just shook my head |
| 20:46.16 | Amarande | the real icing on the cake being that not only can't you attack the animating statues in advance, you can't tell which they are until they do |
| 20:46.28 | Amarande | AND you're usually close enough to eat a melee swing just as they do |
| 20:47.16 | xyphoid | so you haven't tried it but you've given up on it in advance |
| 20:47.30 | xyphoid | because it SOUNDS hard |
| 20:47.33 | Amarande | so basically, not only do you need to dodge the boulders, but you also need the RNG to like you enough. |
| 20:47.43 | Amarande | like soloing chess, pretty much, no? |
| 20:48.13 | Amarande | xyphoid: no, because it's touch and go enough that even people who've succeeded usually had to spend most of a day abandoning and retaking the same daily in order to get it, heh |
| 20:48.45 | Amarande | just like I always get someone to do chess with me because that's RNG enough solo that you can be spending an hour or more resetting the same encounter over and over :P |
| 20:49.25 | Amarande | the odd thing is that in turn-based games I would spend just as much time grinding the same stuff over and over, heh |
| 20:49.40 | Amarande | the difference though is ... in turn based games you can relax whenever, and steel yourself easily for the challenging parts, without trouble |
| 20:49.50 | Amarande | in these achievements, everything from the moment you accept to the moment you turn in the quest counts |
| 20:50.14 | Amarande | (also means you have to do the applicable quest all alone, and cannot combine it with other dailies to save time as one normally does) |
| 20:50.46 | Amarande | also, more to the point, I'll probably never see that daily again, since I've been moving on to different factions once I hit exalted, and I'll probably hit exalted with golden lotus tomorrow :) |
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| 20:54.46 | Amarande | and it's not like you can just attempt that one quest, you have to do the first three sets of GL dailies first and then hope you'll get it at the end, ROFL |
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| 21:07.48 | jnwhiteh | Any polish speakers here? |
| 21:08.02 | Fisker | b |
| 21:08.07 | Fisker | why? |
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| 21:13.04 | Kalroth | fisker is a pole, in my native language we call him a fiskestang |
| 21:15.09 | Amarande | hm, betcha they nerf this eventually |
| 21:15.18 | Amarande | apparently, you don't even actually have to learn peddlefeet to get the achievement |
| 21:15.28 | Amarande | you just need to acquire the item, which means you could acquire it, get the achievement, and then sell it onward |
| 21:16.28 | Amarande | interesting, I expected it would be like the mount achievements where it doesn't count unless you actually learn it, so you can't just trade it among the looting party to get the achievement for everyone. :) |
| 21:17.53 | smcn | i've been wondering about that for the "raiding with leashes" achievement, if you could buy the pets off AH or if it's tied to looting the item |
| 21:18.09 | smcn | since the item is BOP but you can cage the pets after learning them |
| 21:19.29 | Amarande | I'm not sure if it works if you buy a caged one |
| 21:19.39 | Amarande | e.g., the Valentine achievement specifically says "a Truesilver Shafted Arrow" |
| 21:19.54 | Amarande | so I'm not at all sure if caging a Peddlefeet and trading it would work like selling the unlearned pet does |
| 21:20.07 | durcyn | it's a legacy achievement that wasn't updated for cages, calm yourself |
| 21:20.08 | Amarande | what does the *specific* text for that achievement say? |
| 21:20.21 | durcyn | you'll write a fucking book about anything, won't you |
| 21:20.52 | Amarande | durcyn: not everyone subscribes to the twitter/sms school of speaking length, calm yourself |
| 21:21.29 | smcn | Amarande it's the names of the pets themselves for raiding with leashes. i've actually sent a couple pets caged to a friend, i should just check her cheevs |
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| 21:23.08 | Amarande | ah ... yeah, I've yet to find duplicate raid pets |
| 21:23.16 | Amarande | I've only even gotten two of the ones that are needed so far |
| 21:24.21 | smcn | yeah she got credit for them, i guess that solves my viscidus globule problem :P i just can't get enough hits in 15 seconds as a ret paladin to shatter him even with a 1h weapon |
| 21:25.00 | kd3 | go get the barov peasant caller quest reward |
| 21:25.08 | kd3 | that's the onyl way I can kill visc |
| 21:25.21 | smcn | oo that still exists? i'll try it |
| 21:25.35 | kd3 | there's a pre-shattering and a post-shattering version (I've got both) |
| 21:26.12 | Semlar | you've got your own little army of peasants |
| 21:26.12 | smcn | i still need to get another weapon to put elemental force on since i bit the bullet on dancing steel for my lfr shin'ka |
| 21:30.12 | Semlar | kd3 i have an idea that i'm sure is possible but the implementation is beyond me |
| 21:30.23 | Amarande | elemental force is actually pretty much my go-to enchant these days |
| 21:30.34 | Amarande | I main a mage and I still can't justify 8k for jade spirit |
| 21:31.09 | Amarande | oh nice, I got nuts in addition to a valentine achievement |
| 21:31.12 | Amarande | peddlefeet was #100 |
| 21:31.45 | Semlar | i figured out how to get collision information out of the model data, and i want to make a 2D projection of just the walls up to about player height from the ground |
| 21:31.51 | Amarande | smcn: should probably just get a buddy to go with you for viscidus. you pretty much need one for C'Thun anyway. |
| 21:32.14 | Amarande | I imagine they'll probably nerf the worm trick soon enough if they haven't already |
| 21:33.13 | kd3 | c'thun is more easily soloed than visc since they fixed the insta-kill in the stomach thing |
| 21:33.37 | Amarande | ok, is there any non-super-high-level place where I can find a humanoid battle pet in the wild? apparently it's the one thing I need for both capture and defeat and I've apparently not met one at all since I have neither |
| 21:33.49 | Amarande | kd3: oh, they got rid of the instakill if nobody's outside thing? |
| 21:34.02 | kd3 | less than a week after 5.1 went live |
| 21:34.10 | smcn | wowhead has battle pet maps |
| 21:34.26 | Amarande | apparently, to solo it, you used to have to kite the worm boss over to c'thun |
| 21:35.06 | kd3 | impressive, since ouro leashed at the entrance to his room |
| 21:35.36 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not entirely sure at what point that was actually possible |
| 21:35.47 | Amarande | but it used to be, apparently, and also used to be necessary to solo C'Thun |
| 21:37.10 | smcn | kd3 does the new peasant caller have a different name? barov peasant caller is marked as "no longer available" on wowhead |
| 21:37.32 | Amarande | wow, no wonder I've not met a humanoid battle pet in battle yet |
| 21:37.54 | Amarande | there aren't many that qualify (most are from items, not wild), and most are highish level |
| 21:38.00 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Barov_Servant_Caller |
| 21:38.05 | Semlar | just challenge one of those orphans from children's week |
| 21:38.13 | smcn | thanks |
| 21:38.44 | Amarande | Semlar: you mean PvP? pretty sure you can't capture someone else's battle pet, one of the ones I need is to actually capture one in the wild :) |
| 21:39.06 | Amarande | looks like northern barrens it is |
| 21:39.39 | smcn | well crud, that one's not available either, it's a quest reward from scholomance which they redesigned |
| 21:42.53 | smcn | 3.5k not a bad price for the hassle |
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| 21:51.36 | Humbedooh | oh look, it's Torhal|work |
| 21:51.47 | Humbedooh | he must be at work |
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| 21:55.31 | Torhal|work | decompiles Humbedooh. |
| 21:55.46 | Humbedooh | that took you ages to write |
| 21:55.55 | Humbedooh | I was getting worried! |
| 21:56.27 | Humbedooh | rewrites Torhal|work in Erlang with a node.js tie-in |
| 21:59.08 | kd3 | ack |
| 21:59.12 | kd3 | 2" of rain and counting since friday |
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| 22:15.20 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:15.27 | Amarande | apparently the secret to good loot from sha is to join a crz group |
| 22:16.53 | Amarande | I just got an item both from the regular AND the coin roll |
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| 22:32.59 | Amarande | also, just as a little bit of superstitious wondering, seeing as I'm apparently on lucky fire right now |
| 22:33.13 | Amarande | are lockbox contents determined when you open and loot them, or when they're spawned? |
| 22:37.48 | Amarande | *also*, is the Molten Core portal in BRD bugged? |
| 22:38.05 | Amarande | I never seem to be able to pass through it, regardless of whether or not the character is attuned |
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| 22:49.26 | Semlar | does anyone have the slightest idea what texture they might use for the black background you get on the minimap when you're indoors |
| 22:49.59 | Amarande | sure they don't just fill in "empty" spots with black? |
| 22:50.14 | Semlar | i don't know, they seem to use textures for everything |
| 22:50.18 | Amarande | kind of like how when you designed Quake and UT levels, the "void outside" would be represented by a blank grey? |
| 22:50.33 | Amarande | (hence, "don't let in the poisonous grey gas" as a term for when your 3D map design had a leak) |
| 22:51.20 | Amarande | but yeah, it might just be blank black depending on the implementation, especially if black void is how invalid (outside the 3D meshes/brushes) area is rendered |
| 22:51.28 | Semlar | i know it's inserted when they render the minimap but i'm not sure whether it's just filled in or a background or what |
| 22:51.31 | Amarande | I forget, if you fall through the world, what colour do you fall through endlessly? Black? |
| 22:51.38 | Semlar | black |
| 22:51.48 | Semlar | actually it might depend on the instance |
| 22:52.03 | Amarande | well, from what I've seen at least it *seems* like the minimap is rendered using the same textures that the actual terrain uses |
| 22:52.21 | Amarande | so for black void to get rendered as black void makes sense, and probably comes from the same data |
| 22:52.43 | Semlar | the indoor files have transparent backgrounds |
| 22:53.09 | Amarande | yeah, I suspect transparent background fails through to the default black void then |
| 22:53.17 | Amarande | presumably WoW's engine uses "poisonous black gas" |
| 22:53.29 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/ryK3qBF.jpg this is what they look like individually |
| 22:54.18 | Semlar | well this might be a better example http://i.imgur.com/Nv7Ht.jpg |
| 22:55.08 | Semlar | i'm trying to figure out if i could just drop a file in the warcraft folder to replace the black background or not |
| 22:55.42 | Semlar | end up with a transparent minimap |
| 22:57.30 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Interface/MINIMAP/UI-Minimap-Background.png this couldn't be it could it |
| 22:58.03 | Semlar | it seems awfully small |
| 23:02.00 | Torhal|work | updates Humbedooh to .NET 4.5 and refactors him into C# with Visual Basic bindings. |
| 23:02.04 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure that's just the background for the minimap buttons |
| 23:09.41 | Amarande | hmm you know what I never see anymore? |
| 23:09.49 | Amarande | that accursed 16 second silence debuff from firelords in MC |
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| 23:10.10 | Amarande | did they do away with that with 5.1 or have I just been lucky and quick enough never to get it since months ago? |
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