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| 00:20.10 | Amarande | so, yay, another Northeastern Nor'easter tomorrow. |
| 00:20.22 | Amarande | wonder what the chance is we're going to retain power through 12+ inches of snow. :| |
| 00:21.06 | Amarande | we can only hope that Sandy, Irene, etc. have uprooted enough of the danger trees and required the replacement of enough of the danger utility poles, I suppose *sigh* |
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| 00:36.18 | Amarande | oh yay. discount valor point gear next patch |
| 00:36.28 | Amarande | alts can actually get an epic in a single week now? score |
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| 01:00.53 | Mr_Rabies | <Amarande> e.g. how Scarlet Halls has that EFFING ACCURSED BLADES OF LIGHT |
| 01:01.14 | Amarande | yes, effing accursed blades of light |
| 01:01.26 | Mr_Rabies | trick for blades of light is to get on the platform at the center of the steps as soon as he starts charging it up |
| 01:01.37 | Amarande | insta-death if you get so much as touched, and Harlan seems to just spin around randomly like the Tasmanian Devil from a Bugs Bunny cartoon, like I said :P |
| 01:01.40 | Mr_Rabies | and then jump down as soon as he starts going up the steps |
| 01:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's not random, at all |
| 01:02.05 | Amarande | and speaking of the moving around thing. 5.2 PTR nodes make me a sad draenei :| |
| 01:02.09 | Amarande | *notes |
| 01:03.17 | Mr_Rabies | which note in particular |
| 01:03.22 | Amarande | mages are apparently just going to be screwed on the move now, Scorch is becoming a Fire-specific spell and the talent spot is being replaced by useless Blazing Speed |
| 01:04.03 | Amarande | I suppose one could spec fire, but fire has been noticeably worse than the other two mage specs ever since cata, pretty much |
| 01:05.48 | Amarande | we already suffer on the move as it is, seeing that the best DPS talent at level 90 tends to be Rune of Power, which you lose if you have to keep moving, and of course there's that whole matter of casters already being handicapped in movement heavy fights due to cast times |
| 01:06.20 | Mr_Rabies | at least one mage spec has been top 2-3 in dps for a while now, so i think that's okay |
| 01:06.33 | Amarande | well, we'll still be fine for patchwerk type fights |
| 01:06.37 | Jammer | if you use rune of power then you wouldn't really have any use for scorch anyway :p |
| 01:06.48 | Amarande | but it seems like we're going to get bashed even worse in movement ones now |
| 01:07.15 | xyphoid | http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Terrace_of_Endless_Spring/dps/ clearly fire is the worst spec |
| 01:07.52 | Amarande | ah, usually I've been going by the simcraft things noxxic puts out |
| 01:08.24 | Amarande | in any case, xyphoid: 1) what's the gear level on these guys (I'm presuming heroic gear, while Noxxic bases its calculations on 496, i.e., normal raid gear BiS) |
| 01:09.01 | Amarande | and 2) I've never been to Terrace, is Protectors a particularly frenetic movement fest? |
| 01:09.34 | xyphoid | if you're never been to Terrace, then being sad over raid DPS nerfs seems a little premature |
| 01:09.35 | Amarande | I notice on Tsulong, Lei Shi, and Sha, it's Arcane that's shining, it's only on Protectors where fire is kicking bum |
| 01:09.57 | Jammer | it's a council fight where the fire dps is just wasted |
| 01:10.49 | Amarande | yeah, I'm seeing fire seems to lose a lot of its lustre on hardmode there, where it's mostly arcanes in the top 10 |
| 01:11.19 | Jammer | I think arcane is pretty broken with scorch tho |
| 01:11.30 | Amarande | you know what's weird is I'm only seeing fire and arcane, though |
| 01:12.02 | Amarande | I would have expected to see more frost than fire, since simcraft suggests that frost is better (in fact, patchwerk type simcraft is suggesting frost is second only to arcane among all DPS specs) |
| 01:13.26 | Amarande | although I should also take noxxic with a grain of salt. it suggests that it's better to stack mastery than it is to stack haste as arcane |
| 01:13.29 | Amarande | I'm not so sure that's really true |
| 01:13.41 | Mr_Rabies | man i'm so far behind on ranking on world of logs |
| 01:13.42 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 01:13.54 | Amarande | maybe in a patchwerk fight, where you can just stand in the rune all day |
| 01:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | back in firelands i'd be at ~95% of ranking for most fights but we're so far behind now |
| 01:14.06 | Amarande | but in any fight with any kind of mobility it seems that haste would be far better |
| 01:14.23 | Amarande | one, you're not going to be able to stand in the rune all day, and thus mastery's dependence upon high mana % is going to prove a bitch |
| 01:14.46 | Amarande | two, mobility fights as a caster favours haste for a very simple reason, you need those lower cast times to get more casts off before you have to keep hauling ass |
| 01:16.17 | Amarande | I could see physical classes favouring %-damage-type mastery more than haste (because except for steady shot and aimed shot, just about every physical special is instant) but not casters |
| 01:17.13 | Amarande | Gone, sadly, seem to be the days of Wrath where "don't clip casts" was a viable rule. :( |
| 01:17.55 | Amarande | Back then, if fire appeared under you (unless it was Defile, for the raid's sake), I seem to recall the usual rule was don't clip your cast unless it's life or death, finish it and *then* move |
| 01:18.15 | Amarande | now the "don't stand in it" shit seems to be becoming more and more brutal to the point where you do need to cancel your spell in order to move |
| 01:20.22 | Amarande | either it does enough damage to kill or maim you to the point where you're a drain on healers, or it's got some sort of extra super nasty (usually major knockbacks) added to it so you can't just take the first tick like you would have in olden times :( |
| 01:21.21 | Amarande | back in LK, I can't think of anything else that was as urgent an emergency, except for Defile (and that only because of the grow mechanic) and the vortex thing on blood princes |
| 01:22.03 | Amarande | maybe bloodbeasts on saurfang, but you were supposed to kill those before they reached anyone, if someone has to actually move for them then You're Doing It Wrong :) |
| 01:22.50 | Semlar | how far into wrath are you talking about here |
| 01:23.01 | Amarande | I didn't really do much raiding in Wrath except for ICC |
| 01:23.02 | Semlar | because the whole point of these mechanics was that you had to actually do something |
| 01:23.26 | Amarande | But yeah, it does seem like the "move and do it now" mechanics have at least gotten somewhat more severe lately |
| 01:23.48 | Amarande | since I definitely remember the advice used to be that you shouldn't cancel a cast to move out of fire unless it's a life or death emergency, you should finish that spell and then move |
| 01:23.58 | Amarande | but that no longer seems to be the case :S |
| 01:24.01 | xyphoid | wow. |
| 01:24.06 | Semlar | back when i used to do 10 man heroic raids you could not fuck up anything or it was over |
| 01:24.45 | Semlar | literally if anyone did anything slightly too late then it was a wipe |
| 01:24.57 | Amarande | I guess this is how they're wooing the melee back, heh |
| 01:25.14 | Amarande | since I recall at least reading that most of the Cata mechanics tended to hate on melee and be much more sedate for the ranged |
| 01:25.31 | Amarande | now the ranged have to worry about the mechanics a lot more while the melee usually can just hack-and-slash |
| 01:25.38 | Semlar | as you get better gear you can get lazier |
| 01:26.50 | Mr_Rabies | not true at all Amarande |
| 01:27.02 | Amarande | actually, at least early on in cata, it was pretty true to a large degree |
| 01:27.05 | Mr_Rabies | most fights still favor casters, at least of the ones i've done |
| 01:27.23 | Semlar | fights will basically always favor ranged |
| 01:27.41 | Amarande | consider say the rock golem boss in stonecore, if you were caster you could just pewpew, if you were melee you got to make maybe three hits all fight, because he'd start that huge aoe, you'd have to run out, you'd run back in and get what seems like three hits in before it was time to run away again :P |
| 01:28.08 | Amarande | and I remember reading early on in Cata that the bleeding edge guilds actually *universally* benched their melee during world first attempts, for instance |
| 01:28.30 | Semlar | there might be a few gimmick fights that are stacked against ranged but for the most part the melee is going to be worse off |
| 01:29.05 | Amarande | and of course, nothing is nearly as awful for melee as BC was ROFL |
| 01:29.14 | Amarande | BC was an awesome time to be ranged. :) |
| 01:29.27 | Semlar | i played a hunter in burning crusade |
| 01:29.29 | Mr_Rabies | guardians, feng, gara'jal, parts of spirit kings, elegon, and will of the emperor all favor ranged |
| 01:29.48 | Amarande | yeah, Gara'jal definitely favours ranged, but then Gara'jal is pretty much a Patchwerk, at least on LFR |
| 01:29.50 | Semlar | this was back when threat actually mattered |
| 01:30.00 | Semlar | and fd was overpowered as fuck |
| 01:30.17 | xyphoid | haha i miss our BC hunter |
| 01:30.18 | Semlar | since the other dps would get threat capped and you could just reset yours |
| 01:30.33 | Amarande | heh, yeah, I remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth among enhancement shamans in particular |
| 01:30.35 | xyphoid | i don't know what the hell he did but he just blew the hell out of everything ever compared to the rest of us awfuls |
| 01:30.44 | kd3 | "Feign Death? Hah! Mages drop aggro with Real Death!" |
| 01:30.48 | Mr_Rabies | zor'lok and blade lord also favor ranged, though melee aren't too inconvenienced on either |
| 01:30.59 | Amarande | not only did they have the smaller threat cap due to being melee, they also had no threat dump except for, well, [Dirt Nap] |
| 01:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | except that melee get hit by tornadoes constantly on blade lord |
| 01:31.02 | xyphoid | rebirth best feign death! |
| 01:31.03 | Semlar | oh a really good hunter made other hunters look like a joke |
| 01:31.17 | Semlar | that was a class that could be played well or poorly |
| 01:31.39 | xyphoid | yeah we pretty much succeeded when that guy was around and failed otherwise |
| 01:31.40 | Mr_Rabies | garalon is really the only fight i've done yet that makes it easier on melee |
| 01:31.45 | Amarande | Dirt Nap: Cost: 100% of health and 10% of gear durability. You take a dirt nap, dropping all threat and becoming immune to all attacks and spells, but unable to take any actions until resurrected. :) |
| 01:31.49 | Mr_Rabies | and wind lord, i guess |
| 01:32.04 | Mr_Rabies | well, not really easier |
| 01:32.13 | Mr_Rabies | for garalon, but we can certainly do more dps |
| 01:32.38 | Amarande | yeah, it's really not so much a ranged/melee thing that I'm thinking is the real issue here, anyway |
| 01:32.48 | Amarande | it's more the fact that most ranged are handicapped by the cast bar |
| 01:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | ranged still top pretty much all the meters |
| 01:33.10 | Amarande | melee and hunters can still deal appreciable DPS no matter how much they have to move around (as long as melee can stay within range of the target, of course) |
| 01:33.24 | xyphoid | i am so terrible at the will of the emperor dance |
| 01:33.24 | Amarande | casters have to pretty much stop DPS each time you have to move |
| 01:33.47 | Amarande | and if you're specced into rune of power as a mage, you get to waste another couple of seconds putting down your rune again or you end up with lower DPS and mana issues |
| 01:33.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but melee have to stop dps anytime the boss is more than about 7 yards away |
| 01:33.53 | Semlar | ehh how are melee doing damage against something that's whirlwinding around |
| 01:34.00 | Amarande | however, rune of power is too useful when you *don't* have to move to not spec into |
| 01:34.03 | Mr_Rabies | or during stuff like that |
| 01:34.17 | Amarande | however, it so often seems that by the time you put your rune down again you get a spell or two off and then you have to haul ass again |
| 01:34.35 | Mr_Rabies | maybe you shouldn't use rune if you've got problems with it :p |
| 01:34.45 | Mr_Rabies | that's what the talents are for |
| 01:34.49 | Amarande | like I said, this is why I reforge for haste instead of mastery despite noxxic and icy veins both insisting mastery is better :P |
| 01:34.51 | Mr_Rabies | try the others and check your numbers |
| 01:35.09 | Amarande | more damage per spell doesn't really help you if you have to clip casts |
| 01:35.11 | Mr_Rabies | real numbers will always trump theorycrafting |
| 01:35.26 | Amarande | but yes, that's the thing that I'm wondering about mechanics-wise, whether I'm right or not on it |
| 01:35.32 | Mr_Rabies | theorycrafting assumes perfect play and perfect performance |
| 01:35.39 | Amarande | whether the "GTFO" type mechanics have gotten harsher over time |
| 01:35.51 | Amarande | to the point where increasingly often you DO have to clip your casts in order to prioritise avoidance |
| 01:35.58 | Mr_Rabies | yes, there's been a steady increase in the mobility requierd |
| 01:36.00 | Mr_Rabies | required* |
| 01:36.08 | xyphoid | you should always have gotten out of the fire though |
| 01:36.11 | Amarande | like I said, I definitely recall reading in raid advice back in the day that you DID NOT clip your cast unless it was going to kill you then and there |
| 01:36.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's been a means to try to balance how much easier ranged have it on most fights |
| 01:36.27 | xyphoid | just because a DPS guide says stay in to maximise your DPS doesn't mean that's a good idea |
| 01:36.30 | Amarande | if fire appears under you while you're casting, you finish the cast, then you get out of fire |
| 01:36.47 | Amarande | unless that fire is so nasty that the one tick is going to make a major difference |
| 01:37.05 | Amarande | and that's what I mean, it seems that they've changed a lot of mechanics so that one tick DOES much more often make the difference |
| 01:37.11 | Mr_Rabies | stuff hits for a higher percentage of your health bar now and there are more mechanics that require mobility |
| 01:37.11 | xyphoid | they haven't changed the mechanics |
| 01:37.20 | Mr_Rabies | despite that, ranged have it easier still |
| 01:37.59 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot less room for failure, at least in 10 mans |
| 01:38.06 | Mr_Rabies | 25s have a lot more margin for error |
| 01:38.07 | Amarande | I'm guessing it may have been necessary, though, when one thinks of it |
| 01:38.21 | Amarande | in Cata the disparity was almost as bad as in BC, and there was a definite decline in melee |
| 01:38.40 | Amarande | probably also why rogues got a class specific legendary, as I recall rogues becoming kind of an endangered species at one point |
| 01:39.15 | Arrowmaster | heh every single one of steams featured games right now is on all 3 platforms |
| 01:39.35 | Amarande | mind you, BC had other reasons to favour ranged that we don't have now |
| 01:39.42 | Amarande | like parry haste, and 360-degree cleave goodness :P |
| 01:40.43 | Amarande | can't say I miss either of those :) |
| 01:40.50 | Mr_Rabies | the next thing they need to get rid of is backstab-type attacks |
| 01:41.00 | Mr_Rabies | those are so broken and prone to failure due to latency |
| 01:41.18 | Amarande | or the love that BC's devs seemed to have for enemies with mind control abilities |
| 01:41.20 | Jammer | Arrowmaster: maybe you're browsing linux/mac games? most of the windows games I got aren't ported |
| 01:41.40 | Amarande | which also made you gnash teeth over having melee DPS, I still remember fun like in H-Mech where we'd pretty much get screwed if the rogue got chosen for MC on Pathaleon |
| 01:41.52 | Arrowmaster | Jammer: im talking about the featured games in the main banner on the website |
| 01:41.53 | Amarande | because he'd usually kill the healer before we could do anything :P |
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| 01:42.23 | Amarande | at least casters you can interrupt, if they try to do something while you're casting the CC |
| 01:42.51 | Jammer | Arrowmaster: weird I get all windows only games there |
| 01:42.55 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: ehh, apart from the latency thing, backstab type attacks might be a good thing really |
| 01:43.10 | Mr_Rabies | there are too many fights where we can't use them |
| 01:43.10 | Amarande | keep in mind that presumably they'd still have the other rules about attacking from front vs. behind in melee |
| 01:43.26 | Mr_Rabies | and it murders my dps by ~10-20% |
| 01:43.30 | Mr_Rabies | depending on the fight |
| 01:43.43 | Arrowmaster | Jammer: ah they must be detecting im on linux and giving me only linux games in the featured banner |
| 01:43.51 | Amarande | backstab trains you to keep yourself behind the boss, so when you get to raiding you're not being a noob and attacking from in front :p |
| 01:43.55 | xyphoid | yeah, positional is contributing to me not enjoying feral much |
| 01:44.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's also dumb to have two attacks that do the same thing, except one does 20% more because you can only use it while behind the target |
| 01:44.14 | Amarande | IOW, backstab is fine as it is because you should be behind the boss anyway |
| 01:44.17 | Amarande | if you're not, you're doing it wrong :) |
| 01:44.27 | Mr_Rabies | there are so many fights that you can't be behind the target |
| 01:44.31 | Amarande | well, except on those few irritating fights where you can't be |
| 01:44.35 | xyphoid | or the boss is spinning wildly |
| 01:44.45 | Amarande | xyphoid: or the boss is an air elemental, I guess :) |
| 01:45.00 | Amarande | air elementals are nice and fun as rogues. how do you tell wtf side is the back anyway :) |
| 01:46.06 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: are you speaking of things like Ultraxion (which is an exception to the usual) or about things that just don't have a discernible "back"? |
| 01:46.23 | Amarande | I think they're at least starting to fix the latter so that at least sometimes any side is considered "back" |
| 01:46.39 | Amarande | e.g., I know the phylactery on the first Scholomance boss, you're always considered to be behind it no matter which side you're on |
| 01:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | things like ultraxion, or fights where you have to stack in front for cleave division, and fights where boss mobility or aoe damage makes backstabbing impossible |
| 01:47.39 | Mr_Rabies | or fights where you're chained to a mage that keeps complaining because he keeps having to move |
| 01:48.10 | Amarande | well, if you've been a mage, you know why mages complain when they keep having to move |
| 01:48.22 | Amarande | our entire oeuvre starts to suck rapidly if we have to move frequently :P |
| 01:48.54 | Amarande | also as a mage you start to learn just how painfully long, say, two seconds really is heh |
| 01:49.32 | Amarande | like I said, there is a reason I go against conventional theorycraft wisdom and gear for haste :) |
| 01:50.46 | Amarande | it's been working out pretty well actually. today in LFR I seemed to be doing pretty reasonable on the DPS charts, sometimes middling, sometimes being almost at the top but for the two or three folks that are clearly decked out in real raid gear |
| 01:51.21 | Amarande | now if I could just actually get some loot besides one sigil of wisdom, I'd be happy |
| 01:51.50 | Amarande | today I got three regular and three coin drops. they were: gold, oro, aurum, gull, ouro, and zlato. no bonus points on what the latter five are all words for. LOL |
| 01:52.26 | Amarande | but 5.2 is supposed to help with that. :) |
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| 03:32.04 | Amarande | northeastern based server suffer a power failure due to the beginning of the great blizzard, I wonder? :| |
| 03:33.15 | Amarande | ok, WoW thing. am I just thinking it or do undead monks have substantially more flesh on their bones than undead of other classes? at least it seemed so when I looked at the models pondering creating a new Horde character |
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| 04:55.39 | A-KO | [19:16] <ladyblink> but basically in the past 5 years |
| 04:55.40 | A-KO | [19:17] <ladyblink> ive gone from barely on the radar for degenerating discs to ... enough normal for someone like 65 maybe |
| 04:55.40 | A-KO | [19:17] <ladyblink> im moderate |
| 04:55.40 | A-KO | [19:17] <ladyblink> not to the point of surgery yet |
| 04:55.40 | A-KO | [19:25] <A-KO> huh |
| 04:55.40 | A-KO | [19:25] <A-KO> sorry to hear that :/ |
| 04:55.40 | A-KO | [19:26] <A-KO> I'm gonna head out for a bit |
| 04:55.41 | A-KO | [19:26] <A-KO> I'll bbl |
| 04:55.41 | A-KO | [19:36] <ladyblink> ok |
| 04:55.42 | A-KO | err |
| 04:55.42 | A-KO | lol |
| 04:55.44 | A-KO | wow |
| 04:55.56 | A-KO | stupid clipboard fail |
| 04:55.57 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckfBGdZoR_0 |
| 04:56.03 | A-KO | mirc sucks sometimes |
| 05:16.35 | Neffi | dafuq man |
| 05:16.51 | A-KO | mIRC has this issue sometimes where it puts shit in my chat log in my clipboard. No idea. |
| 05:16.59 | A-KO | been doing it for years |
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| 05:34.44 | Mr_Rabies | <A-KO> mIRC has this issue sometimes where it puts shit in my chat log in my clipboard. No idea. |
| 05:34.52 | Mr_Rabies | selecting text copies it to the clipboard by default |
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| 06:05.31 | Fisker | what is my fault haste ? |
| 06:05.33 | Fisker | hey tharper |
| 06:06.00 | Thunder_Child | hey hey hey Fisker |
| 06:06.16 | Fisker | my cat warmed my keyboard up for me |
| 06:07.11 | jnwhiteh | that's nice. |
| 06:08.23 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 06:10.42 | tharper | hye fister |
| 06:10.48 | tharper | hey fisker* |
| 06:11.57 | Fisker | :( |
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| 07:27.43 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTqjqUUywfY&feature=player_detailpage#t=375s I lol'd |
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| 07:54.20 | haste | everything Fisker ! |
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| 08:26.25 | ccox | I think the guild has gotten even sillier... |
| 08:26.53 | ccox | Though they do seem to be providing jobs for about half a con's worth of actors. |
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| 08:46.38 | zenzio | sigh... I get so disappointed when people throw in "(no) pun intended" in their sentences |
| 08:46.41 | zenzio | that just ruins the puns |
| 08:47.07 | zenzio | especially since "no pun intended" always seems to mean "I felt so clever with this pun but I'm afraid to admit it" |
| 08:47.23 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 12:41.38 | Fisker | hey haste |
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| 12:42.36 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 12:44.09 | Fisker | :) |
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| 12:45.33 | haste | everything died here now |
| 12:45.34 | haste | fun fun fun |
| 12:46.48 | Fisker | :) |
| 12:47.17 | Fisker | i lol'd though haste |
| 12:47.24 | Fisker | dustin home pushed back the wireless charger |
| 12:47.35 | Fisker | too bad for all those sites that went all "omg omg we has release date" |
| 12:47.54 | Fisker | when infact we have had a release date since it's introduction back last year |
| 12:47.57 | Fisker | "release date" |
| 12:48.04 | Fisker | you know the one that gets pushed back each time it nears |
| 12:48.37 | haste | I just bought a couple more of the japanese one |
| 12:53.55 | haste | think we ended up with nine in total :P |
| 12:57.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:57.22 | Fisker | but i want the orb one |
| 12:57.27 | Fisker | fucking magnets |
| 12:58.10 | Fisker | eat my poop |
| 12:58.25 | Fisker | i want 2 |
| 12:58.36 | Fisker | then i have one for work as well |
| 12:58.46 | Fisker | but that would be expensive :( |
| 12:59.09 | haste | ended up paying 600 NOK for two |
| 12:59.13 | Fisker | :o |
| 12:59.23 | Fisker | idk the nok to dkk ratio these days |
| 12:59.29 | haste | almost equal |
| 12:59.29 | Fisker | but one of them chargers is like 600 nok alone |
| 12:59.37 | haste | for the stock ones yes |
| 12:59.44 | Fisker | yeah |
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| 13:48.09 | Lopeppeppy | alestane! Snows! |
| 13:48.21 | alestane | It's just starting to whisper down over here. |
| 13:50.19 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:04.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'll stick that in the snowbank for lunch, Fisker. |
| 14:12.47 | Fisker | good |
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| 14:44.34 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/e0Ln4 |
| 14:45.15 | Ressy | awww |
| 14:47.33 | VIad | looks like me when I am on anaesthetics |
| 14:47.39 | VIad | only less hairy |
| 14:48.06 | zenzio | poor kitties |
| 14:48.07 | Ressy | looks like some more twitter fail: http://www.cp24.com/news/vaughan-deletes-twitter-account-after-obscene-snow-rant-1.1148441 |
| 14:50.20 | Fisker | delete everything Ressy |
| 14:50.20 | VIad | lol city twitter account, what? |
| 14:50.22 | Fisker | fixes all |
| 14:50.28 | VIad | not sure how that works |
| 14:51.18 | Ressy | yeah.. city twitter account. |
| 14:51.41 | Ressy | Usually, they tweet events and such. |
| 14:51.52 | Ressy | how traffic is.. Things open/closed. etc |
| 14:53.22 | VIad | so how is someone democratically elected to twitter in behalf of a city? |
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| 14:54.20 | Ressy | Someone from the city's PR department probably handles it. |
| 14:55.45 | VIad | why did he delete the account? he had a valid point? people got garrages and don't use them? silly |
| 14:56.04 | Ressy | probably the profanity. |
| 14:56.08 | VIad | oh noes |
| 14:56.27 | VIad | the internets cries when someone swears...fuck |
| 14:56.42 | Ressy | when its an official from a city, yeah. Not professional at all. |
| 14:56.51 | VIad | maybe they got hacked? |
| 14:56.56 | VIad | and someone trolled |
| 14:56.57 | VIad | :3 |
| 14:57.02 | Ressy | doubtful. lol |
| 14:57.03 | VIad | there, coverup story complete |
| 14:57.05 | Ressy | lol |
| 14:57.12 | VIad | replace the PR guy and move on, no need for more drama |
| 14:58.25 | VIad | for valentines day I'll call myself on my other phone and leave a nice message |
| 14:58.27 | VIad | what about you? |
| 15:00.25 | VIad | Ressy: http://imgur.com/gallery/igpIFvq imagine if the drain clogged up |
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| 17:30.14 | Fisker | haste |
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| 18:06.16 | Lopeppeppy | snomageddon? |
| 18:17.36 | mikma | na, just a regular winter day here in finland |
| 18:22.35 | Lopeppeppy | Same here. I am disapointed. |
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| 18:31.11 | alestane | So far it is fine, light snow, but it gives the impression it plans to be here for a while. |
| 18:32.23 | karl_w_w | why does it always snow on me |
| 18:32.33 | karl_w_w | is it because i lied when i was 17? |
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| 18:35.25 | Lopeppeppy | Slow and steady wins the blizzard, alestane. |
| 18:37.29 | Amarande | So, we're in the 1-2 band here in western CT, apparently. |
| 18:37.46 | Amarande | Taking the dog out later is going to be an adventure heh |
| 18:38.06 | Amarande | On the good side it's apparently supposed to be the fluffy stuff and not heart attack snow :S |
| 18:38.08 | Lopeppeppy | 1-2 feet? Or inches? *laugh* |
| 18:38.11 | Amarande | Feet. |
| 18:38.14 | Amarande | :| |
| 18:39.41 | Amarande | WTF. Someone's selling a Mekgineer's Chopper for 2500g. |
| 18:39.52 | Amarande | I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole, it's gotta be exploited somehow |
| 18:41.03 | Amarande | And if it's not, it means some poor sod probably forgot a zero and doesn't deserve to get ripped off that badly. |
| 18:41.23 | TC-work | But someone is going to buy it and do that anyway |
| 18:42.06 | Amarande | yeah, probably :( |
| 18:42.26 | karl_w_w | I'm reminded of this: http://a-review-a-day.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/todays-review-walking-in-fresh-snow.html take it to heart |
| 18:43.17 | TC-work | I refuse |
| 18:44.18 | karl_w_w | I also garbage, when the mood strikes me |
| 18:48.23 | Amarande | yay, SSO rep maxed out, still no white chocobo |
| 18:48.25 | Amarande | damn you, Kael |
| 18:54.56 | Mr_Rabies | i got mine on my first run :X |
| 18:55.35 | Mr_Rabies | run a tank or healer every time there's a CTA and hope for one in your bags |
| 18:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, white chocolate. |
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| 18:59.11 | TC-work | reality peppys mind. |
| 18:59.44 | Lopeppeppy | white chocobo ----> white chocolate |
| 19:00.10 | TC-work | Yes, I followed the path your mind took.....but still. |
| 19:01.10 | Mr_Rabies | white chocolate is good in small doses |
| 19:01.23 | Mr_Rabies | anymore and you realize you're basically eating pure sugar and fat |
| 19:01.29 | Mr_Rabies | any more* |
| 19:06.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. Just a little on a strawberry. |
| 19:16.28 | Amarande | you know ... did they sneakily reduce the drop rate on some of those mounts in order to make CTA the more attractive option? |
| 19:16.54 | Amarande | I remember Rivendare's mount taking one try, Anzu's taking only a couple weeks, Kael's takes forever. |
| 19:16.59 | Amarande | But I got Rivendare's before CTA, heh |
| 19:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | random is never as random as you think it is, and it's never more random than when you don't get what you want. |
| 19:19.04 | Amarande | otoh, what isn't random is the consistent unsoloability of pandarian rares. :| |
| 19:19.32 | Lopeppeppy | it's not safe to go it alone. |
| 19:20.09 | Motig | what class do you play, they should all be soloable |
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| 19:20.38 | Amarande | mage. |
| 19:20.48 | Amarande | which apparently has the most horrid soloability of all these days. :| |
| 19:21.13 | Amarande | we're also, say, the one class that apparently will have to wait till 95 in order to solo Sunwell trash past the first big guardian guy. |
| 19:21.59 | Motig | 95? |
| 19:22.21 | Amarande | Motig: unless you can deal 120,000+ damage in a single hit WITHOUT needing to charge up arcane charges, you can't solo the blood elf groups |
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| 19:22.58 | kd3 | er... I solo them all the time as frost |
| 19:23.08 | Amarande | if the hunter gets even a moment's ability to attack, he'll use Slaying Shot, and while Ice Barrier will keep you alive, it DOESN'T leave you with enough HP left to not be shredded by his buddies :P |
| 19:23.10 | kd3 | I can clear trash all the way up to the dead scar |
| 19:23.21 | Amarande | also, I want slaying shot on my hunter. :( |
| 19:23.25 | Amarande | dammit. |
| 19:23.26 | Corv | You have several seconds before the first Slaying Shot goes off. |
| 19:23.45 | Corv | Don't put it off, but you definitely don't need to kill him in one GCD. |
| 19:24.25 | Corv | You could also use something like Cold Snap to help if he does manage to fire it. |
| 19:25.56 | Amarande | Corv: you wish your hunter had that too though, right? :) |
| 19:26.15 | Corv | My hunter is a bank alt, she could care less. =P |
| 19:26.35 | Amarande | but yeah, is there a trick to soloing the rares as an arcane mage, or is it just something that can't be done and it's best to forget about glorious until I have a 90 of a non-squishy sort? |
| 19:27.04 | Corv | Which rare types give you trouble? |
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| 19:30.30 | Neffi | If you live in the American north-east, g'luck |
| 19:30.55 | Neffi | It's already hailing fiercely here, and it's projected to become a pretty hellish blizzard by tonight |
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| 19:32.16 | TC-work | Oh good, because you really wanted to be snowed in by 'Nemo' |
| 19:32.45 | Neffi | lol |
| 19:32.57 | Neffi | That alone probably makes it the best snow day I've ever had |
| 19:33.44 | TC-work | Let's not give it s reasonable horrific name....no. Let's call the next one RAGING WINTER STORM 'fluffy kitty'. |
| 19:34.12 | TC-work | s/ s / a / |
| 19:35.10 | Neffi | Recommendations for a staff transmog? http://i.imgur.com/OqQIkrL.png |
| 19:35.15 | Neffi | Looking for a pimp-cane |
| 19:35.19 | mikma | neffi: anathema |
| 19:35.22 | Amarande | Corv: most of the ones I've encountered so far, actually :| |
| 19:35.27 | Neffi | mikma: que? |
| 19:35.31 | Amarande | especially sauroks, though |
| 19:35.38 | TC-work | I thought that was the priest only one |
| 19:35.48 | mikma | neffi: http://www.wowhead.com/item=18609 |
| 19:35.48 | Amarande | the two I've witnessed so far, one comes with pretty much his whole bloody family, the other one seems to be this rogue type |
| 19:36.00 | Neffi | mikma: More pimp |
| 19:36.13 | Corv | Amarande: Yeah, what's-his-face down in Dread Wastes, you'll probably want a group. |
| 19:36.32 | mikma | neffi: http://www.wowhead.com/item=65667/shovel-of-mercy |
| 19:36.35 | Corv | The rogue types, land an AoE on the area they Vanish from to break them out and avoid major damage. |
| 19:36.39 | mikma | neffi: http://www.wowhead.com/item=6205/burrowing-shovel |
| 19:36.50 | Neffi | A shovel? That's just terrifying |
| 19:36.53 | Neffi | Could work |
| 19:37.31 | Corv | Arcane... doesn't have a means of stunning a target, does it? |
| 19:37.34 | mikma | there's that interesting spear also... |
| 19:37.42 | mikma | it looks like a chainsaw |
| 19:38.33 | mikma | neffi: http://www.wowhead.com/item=47500/peacekeeper-blade |
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| 19:38.39 | mikma | neffi: http://www.wowhead.com/item=45129/gnomeregan-bonechopper |
| 19:38.55 | Neffi | I need a staff |
| 19:38.57 | Neffi | It's a druid |
| 19:39.27 | mikma | druids can use mace? |
| 19:40.04 | Corv | Yup. Last time we've used 2H Maces was back in TBC, but the 1H's show up for the caster specs on occasion. |
| 19:40.35 | Amarande | Corv: hmmm ... pretty sure I don't have any stuns :| |
| 19:40.45 | Neffi | My weapon is a staff |
| 19:40.49 | Neffi | I need a staff to transmog |
| 19:40.49 | Amarande | and when 5.2 comes out, we lose the ability to circle strafe with scorch, too :( |
| 19:41.05 | Neffi | Amarande: Source? |
| 19:41.06 | Amarande | blah. sometimes it seems like they've been starting to lay out the mage hate pretty hard lately |
| 19:41.16 | kd3 | scorch is going fire only (not talented) |
| 19:41.16 | Amarande | Neffi: it becomes a fire specific spell rather than a talent, according to the PTR patch notes |
| 19:41.22 | Neffi | Oh |
| 19:41.24 | Neffi | That |
| 19:41.40 | Corv | I was thinking stuns just for shutting down the Hozen 'Going Bananas' |
| 19:41.40 | Neffi | Thought you meant they were changing the mechanics of strafing |
| 19:42.16 | Amarande | well, the basic thing being that our kiting will be *severely* impaired by the inability to cast scorch unless we go fire |
| 19:42.42 | kd3 | oh no. you'll have to kite the way mages have had to kite since vanilla before we could scorch on the move |
| 19:42.44 | kd3 | the horror |
| 19:42.59 | Amarande | mages don't really have much in the way of dots (unless we're fire), and being bound to mostly direct-damage spells with a cast time doesn't really help when you have to move a lot. :| |
| 19:43.12 | mikma | amarande: i rarely move when playing with mage, you know, rune... ;D |
| 19:43.31 | kd3 | it's called... 'put a snare on it, blink away, wind up a few quick attacks, then run to gain distance and repeat' |
| 19:43.59 | Amarande | I'm guessing this is called "trying to put a lid on arcane so people will actually use frost and, especially, fire specs" |
| 19:44.01 | Corv | Just don't get far away from a Pandaren rare. They have a nuke for something like 300k. |
| 19:44.12 | Fisker | you're a good man kd3 |
| 19:44.28 | Amarande | which seems to be being implemented primarily by making it annoying to use the spec outside of being a DPS role in an organised group :P |
| 19:45.16 | Amarande | possibly also trying to put a lid on mages in general, which, unfortunately, might be kind of justified |
| 19:45.35 | Amarande | just as cata hated on rogues to the point that fangs of the father were one of the few things stop-lossing them |
| 19:45.48 | Amarande | it seems like it handed out the love to mages in such spades that most servers probably have way too many of us. :) |
| 19:45.53 | mikma | corv: the shieldwall rare's are the worst (atleast the caster biatch) |
| 19:46.07 | mikma | corv: stuns you and hits you for n+1 damage :P |
| 19:46.21 | Corv | Well, sure. Those guys are a class of their own though =P |
| 19:46.53 | mikma | actually the panda rares are worst, i can't solo them with my mage |
| 19:47.00 | Amarande | let's see ... for people who actually raided in cata, there was dragonwrath for caster DPS, then on top of that mages were the only class that didn't induce hair loss when you had to travel around a lot LOL |
| 19:47.11 | Amarande | so, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised or QQ when they hate on mages a bit. heh. |
| 19:47.13 | Corv | mikma: That's what I'd have though. |
| 19:47.16 | mikma | they heal and the kick they do is horrible |
| 19:47.16 | Corv | *thought |
| 19:47.23 | Cairenn | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=210489172427972 |
| 19:47.25 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 19:47.36 | Corv | Amarande: Looking at Wowhead, even non-Frost has Deep Freeze, right? |
| 19:47.49 | mikma | everyone has deep freeze atm |
| 19:47.51 | Amarande | hmmm, checking spellbook. |
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| 19:48.00 | mikma | yes, you have it amarande |
| 19:48.03 | Corv | Esp if glyphed for off the GCD, that lets you shut doing Going Bananas, and Rain Dance, if you're lagging against that one. |
| 19:48.21 | Corv | Spinning Jade Kick too, if it comes to it. |
| 19:48.44 | Amarande | hm. *scratches head* does arcane have a means of freezing targets, though |
| 19:48.51 | Amarande | it says the target must be frozen to be valid :) |
| 19:48.51 | Corv | Frost Nova, I'd hope? |
| 19:48.55 | mikma | amarande: frost nova :D |
| 19:49.03 | mikma | also, the armor... |
| 19:49.10 | Amarande | ah, the debuff from frost armour counts too? |
| 19:49.13 | Corv | Or Ring of Frost, or Lockjaw =P |
| 19:49.18 | mikma | amarande: no. moment |
| 19:49.18 | kd3 | that's a snare, not a freeze |
| 19:49.27 | mikma | amarande: the talent you can pick |
| 19:49.46 | Amarande | I had leveled 1-85 as Frost pre-MoP, and seemed to remember that only certain things actually provided the sort of frozen that deep freeze actually requires |
| 19:49.48 | Amarande | oh, right |
| 19:50.08 | mikma | amarande: Ice Ward |
| 19:50.13 | Corv | So, Frost Nova and any third tier talent give you the opportunity to Deep Freeze out of the nasty abilities. |
| 19:50.17 | Amarande | yeah, I'm pretty sure I actually have it, too |
| 19:50.58 | Corv | Piggy-backing on the Frost Nova idea, you probably want Cold Snap too, for the heal. |
| 19:51.18 | Amarande | mind you, taking out the portals in cata was still a jerk move of blizzard's :P |
| 19:51.48 | Amarande | if indeed the heightened squishiness of mages is in order to discourage some from playing the class, due to there being too many, then that's really what was at fault heh |
| 19:51.56 | Amarande | yeah, maybe I should spec Cold Snap |
| 19:52.18 | mikma | amarande: going cold? |
| 19:52.19 | Corv | You can't really use G. Invis, and Cauterize is really only useful when absolutely anything can one-shot you. |
| 19:52.21 | Amarande | one thing I find myself eminently missing on the mage is the lack of ... well ... any kind of real survivability outside of ice barrier :P |
| 19:52.47 | Corv | A 30% self-heal is kind of a big deal in terms of survivability =P |
| 19:52.53 | mikma | amarande: i like Cauterize in raids. has saved my ass multiple times in one fight |
| 19:53.06 | Amarande | yeah. I hadn't remembered about the 30% self heal from cold snap and instead specced G. Invis |
| 19:53.15 | Amarande | mind you, G. Invis has saved my bacon a few times too *shrug* |
| 19:53.22 | mikma | amarande: no, go with Cauterize. Trust me :) |
| 19:53.23 | Amarande | especially when I get assigned to gather gazelle meat. |
| 19:53.26 | Amarande | gods, I hate that daily |
| 19:53.42 | Amarande | the drop rate is terrible and you're always a little paranoid about that little pack of thunder wolves that will tear you to bits if it finds you :P |
| 19:53.50 | Corv | You could Cauterize and incur an extra 40% HP healing debt, or Cold Snap and get a 30% healing margin. |
| 19:54.07 | Corv | Cauterize is great for dodging things like Ultraxion, or if the raid damage is really just insane. |
| 19:54.45 | Amarande | you mean like when one of those jerks before Gara'jal drops the bomb right on top of your head :P |
| 19:55.05 | Corv | Do they actually deal damage when they land? |
| 19:55.06 | mikma | corv: remember that cauterize is passive talent :P |
| 19:55.16 | Amarande | Corv: not sure, but it means you're right in the middle of the whole SOB |
| 19:55.32 | Corv | mikma: Okay, sure, so it's also great if you're not paying attention. |
| 19:55.43 | Corv | Amarande: In that case, I'd rather rely on WASD. |
| 19:55.48 | mikma | corv: sure, if YOU LIKE TO DIE ALOT |
| 19:55.59 | Amarande | heh, "not paying attention" is subjective |
| 19:56.07 | mikma | cause cauterize only works when you should die ;) |
| 19:56.11 | Amarande | especially these days, where there seems to have been a steadily increasing emphasis on the action side of action-RPG in WoW |
| 19:56.52 | Amarande | "what, you don't have ninja gaiden reflexes? hello there 100k damage and a boop from GTFO telling you how much of a slowpoke you are." |
| 19:56.53 | mikma | i've had cauterize work on me twice in the same fight, that's my personal best.. hehehe |
| 19:56.53 | Corv | "Should die" generally happens because either there's a healing problem (not your responsibility) or because you screwed up (so fix *that*) |
| 19:57.30 | mikma | corv: and 3) you didn't fuck up but someone else did and you paid the concequences |
| 19:57.56 | Amarande | quite a lot more things in MoP at least *seem* to require split second reflexes than BITD |
| 19:58.01 | mikma | aye |
| 19:58.20 | Corv | That's still not your job to fix. If you can fix it, *maybe* you'll save the raid that one time, but it doesn't address the deeper problem. |
| 19:58.22 | Amarande | either because they go off THAT quickly or because the AoE is so large that if you don't move absolutely immediately you won't make it out of the mushroom cloud before she blows :P |
| 19:58.39 | mikma | also, there's those pesky wind bombs in Wind Lord Mel'jarak combat that can wipe the raid |
| 19:58.53 | Amarande | like, c'mon Blizz ... we hated the AoE thing on what's his name rock golem boss in Stonecore for a reason |
| 19:59.03 | Amarande | indeed, in general, WE HATED STONECORE FOR A REASON, but that's mostly another point heh |
| 19:59.03 | Corv | You've got a good two seconds, I think |
| 19:59.36 | Amarande | now that'll be the real shining day for blizz. |
| 19:59.41 | foxlit | You're insane, stonecore was good. |
| 19:59.43 | Amarande | it might be mop, though I haven't been to all the dungeons yet so I'm not sure |
| 20:00.00 | Amarande | but so far, they've had a lot of difficulty in coming up with an expansion that doesn't include at least one dungeon everybody hates |
| 20:00.03 | Corv | *Tanking* Ozruk kinda sucked, but I didn't mind the rest of the instance. |
| 20:00.29 | Amarande | foxlit: and I liked Oculus, so there's always the exception to the general reaction |
| 20:00.29 | foxlit | Corv: he literally repeated the same three moves in the same order over and over again. |
| 20:00.33 | Corv | Hate? Nah. Shado-pan and Seige are a bit too long. |
| 20:00.35 | Lopeppeppy | If there wasn't hate, it wouldn't be good. |
| 20:01.04 | Corv | Now, you want hate, let's talk the Theramore scenario. |
| 20:01.23 | nevcairiel | i never got the theramore scenario on 90 |
| 20:01.26 | mikma | I made myself Arcane Mage addon if anyone wants to test it.. |
| 20:01.31 | Amarande | hmm, what was the scrappy dungeon in BC |
| 20:01.31 | nevcairiel | only did it on 85 |
| 20:01.44 | foxlit | mikma: does it replace all action buttons with arcane blast? If not, not interested! :P |
| 20:01.49 | Corv | Tedious intro bullshit, absolutely no engagement, just "and then everybody DIED (except for me)". |
| 20:01.56 | Corv | AND THAT'S YOUR DEMO FOR SCENARIOS? |
| 20:02.01 | Corv | GG Blizz |
| 20:02.01 | mikma | foxlit: maybe |
| 20:02.09 | Amarande | Shattered Halls tended to get a lot of dislike, if I recall heh |
| 20:02.29 | Corv | That one was legitimately very difficult without a paladin tank, back in the day. |
| 20:02.36 | kd3 | sh sucked because we had to chain-run it to get people attuned for mag |
| 20:02.42 | Amarande | well, that was also the issue with stonecore |
| 20:02.46 | Amarande | well, not quite the same exact issue |
| 20:02.58 | Amarande | but the fact that group composition mattered insanely much compared to most dungeons |
| 20:03.07 | nevcairiel | sh was awesome, especially if you went for the timed event, so much fun to be had |
| 20:03.10 | Corv | In Stonecore? o.0 |
| 20:03.22 | Amarande | if you had a group with shitty aoe like that one time, you could have a group that managed to do other heroics with ease and couldn't get past corborus |
| 20:03.30 | foxlit | Amarande: I stand by my original assessment: you're insane. |
| 20:03.43 | Amarande | Corv: one time we had an unholy DK, an enhancement shaman, and I think a ret pally for DPS |
| 20:03.49 | Amarande | we could never handle the adds properly :| |
| 20:03.50 | Corv | That does not match my experiences with Stonecore at all, honestly. |
| 20:04.11 | Amarande | because you do not want to be meleeing the shale spider swarm |
| 20:04.11 | Corv | Corborus was only a problem if people were too laggy/tired to dodge his sweeps. |
| 20:04.29 | Amarande | and except for DnD on cooldown, that trio basically has no non-melee-required AoE whatever :P |
| 20:04.34 | nevcairiel | stonecore could be slightly annoying with a terrible group |
| 20:04.54 | Amarande | we weren't a bad group either, we finished two other heroics without issue |
| 20:05.33 | foxlit | nevcairiel: that's a good thing. Thing should be (very) annoying with terrible groups. |
| 20:05.43 | Amarande | hmm, I could have sworn the shale spiders explode, but I might have been thinking of another mechanic, since there's so many of those screeching little things that if there's something else there it was hard to tell |
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| 20:06.13 | Corv | Stagger the kills, if so. |
| 20:06.15 | foxlit | MoP heroics get that balance horribly wrong -- you can autopilot through them spamming aoe abilities and ignoring most encounter mechanics. |
| 20:06.33 | foxlit | Snoozefests :/ |
| 20:06.34 | Corv | Shado-pan was nasty at first, with those Sha packs after the second boss. |
| 20:06.47 | Amarande | hm, I never remembered Shado-pan being all that bad |
| 20:07.19 | Amarande | yet apparently it's going to get the largest extra-valor bonus of all of the three dungeons given one in 5.2 |
| 20:07.26 | Corv | 1-2 Sha in each of those groups has a breath weapon that can really tear through the tank if not interrupted. |
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| 20:07.38 | foxlit | Corv: yes, but that's a tank check. |
| 20:07.41 | Amarande | the other bonus valor dungeons being scholomance (and I'm not sure what's so bad about that one either unless there's a heroic-only mechanic I don't know about yet) |
| 20:07.58 | mikma | foxlit: http://mikma.eu/wow/screenshot/WoWScrnShot_020813_220626.jpg see? |
| 20:08.10 | Corv | foxlit: I agree. I'm just saying it was a big deal in the first week or so. |
| 20:08.21 | Amarande | Corv: heh, so the son of ahn'kahar spellflingers and of those guys in HoO with that facemelting channeled shadow spell, then |
| 20:08.29 | mikma | amarande: http://mikma.eu/wow/screenshot/WoWScrnShot_020813_220626.jpg - you too, my arcane mage addon :P |
| 20:08.33 | Amarande | and siege of niuzao temple, which I haven't seen at all yet |
| 20:08.43 | foxlit | Corv: okay, we agree about that. There should be more of those, and they should remain relevant past the first week. |
| 20:08.49 | Corv | Siege of Niuzao is just loooooong. |
| 20:09.10 | foxlit | double-pull the trash until the second boss |
| 20:09.13 | Amarande | foxlit: it's hard to do that successfully in LFR |
| 20:09.16 | Amarande | er, LFD |
| 20:09.33 | Corv | And when you get to the third boss, stack the add waves on the boss. (have the healer stand "behind" it) |
| 20:09.35 | Amarande | one, you kind of need the dungeon to be able to be done with a group of people who, gods forbid, actually have the minimum item level to qualify for it |
| 20:09.49 | Amarande | the tank should not be required to be overgeared vs. the rest of the party, that just discourages people from tanking, which the Light only knows we DON'T want to do |
| 20:09.55 | foxlit | skip the first three packs before the third, and triple-pull the last three before the third boss. |
| 20:10.15 | Corv | It was completely possible to DO Shado-pan, etc early expansion, when you barely qualified for heroics. |
| 20:10.20 | Amarande | two, if they remain relevant past the first week, that pretty much *necessarily* implies the tank has to have a significantly higher item level than DPS or healers need to do the dungeon. |
| 20:10.23 | foxlit | the final boss trash is a bit boring, true. |
| 20:10.37 | Amarande | do we really want to put any more pressure on tanks than we already do? |
| 20:10.42 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:10.44 | Corv | You just needed to know to hit CDs, to interrupt. And yes, that probably meant you wiped once, maybe twice, before realizing that. |
| 20:10.45 | Amarande | foxlit: there's a tank shortage as it is. |
| 20:10.45 | nevcairiel | i hate these range guys that you cant pull, they just sit there and throw with something |
| 20:10.53 | foxlit | Amarande: too bad. |
| 20:11.05 | Corv | nevcairiel: I concur wholeheartedly. Especially those bastards near Empress. |
| 20:11.14 | Amarande | foxlit: fine, next expansion we can hit enrage timers every raid because the DPS can't gear because nobody's willing to tank anymore and it takes two hours to queue for a heroic |
| 20:11.34 | foxlit | Amarande: the problem is, gameplay has to be engaging |
| 20:11.45 | foxlit | For me, LFD heroics are boring because they pose absolutely no challenge. |
| 20:11.52 | nevcairiel | some people would be happy with free loot chests, i'm sure |
| 20:12.00 | Amarande | and the game already puts SOME pressure on tanks anyway |
| 20:12.10 | Corv | And on that note, maybe we should try to get Cynwise tanking. |
| 20:12.12 | nevcairiel | LFR has the same problem, you can follow someone and get loot occasionally |
| 20:12.24 | Amarande | I still remember that Scarlet Halls run a week or two ago with this totally terribad tank |
| 20:12.30 | Corv | After his breakdown of the problems with warlocks, they certainly got an awesomeness buff and a lot of new/returning players. |
| 20:12.40 | Amarande | he had a whole bunch of green items on and had less HP than I did |
| 20:12.43 | Amarande | keep in mind that I'm a *mage* |
| 20:12.48 | Amarande | which means this is *not* a good thing |
| 20:13.03 | nevcairiel | But on the other hand, i don't have the time anymore for the logistics of a real raid, so i just dont play =p |
| 20:13.26 | foxlit | I don't know what you're doing in Scarlet Halls, but you're obviously at fault for being there. |
| 20:13.38 | Amarande | foxlit: the RNG puts you there every now and then, sadly |
| 20:13.47 | foxlit | So don't do LFD until max level? |
| 20:13.50 | Amarande | and I'm the sort of person who sticks out the dungeon to the end rather than bailing like, say, half the party every time we rolled oculus :) |
| 20:13.56 | Amarande | I'm talking about HEROIC Scarlet Halls |
| 20:14.11 | foxlit | And for the third time: you're insane. |
| 20:14.30 | foxlit | hm, sorry. Scarlet, not Shattered :) |
| 20:14.51 | Corv | As an aside, tanking woes are why I run Guardian for my offspec. If you shits won't do it right, I will. |
| 20:15.11 | Amarande | you know what also occurs to me is that we probably also really, really should respect 25-man raid guilds |
| 20:15.28 | Amarande | I think we might actually be able to blame shrinking raid sizes for the increase in annoying split-second reflex or you die mechanics :| |
| 20:15.44 | Corv | Not sure I follow. |
| 20:15.50 | Amarande | Corv: let's see ... back in vanilla, with 40-man raids and computers of the mid-Aughties |
| 20:16.09 | Amarande | the gods forbid anything need TOO quick of reflexes, because your poor computer was probably barely keeping up with that much stuff being flung around as it was |
| 20:16.18 | foxlit | er, see c'thun. |
| 20:16.21 | Amarande | even in 25's, a lot of people experience graphics based lag unless they have highish end computers |
| 20:16.39 | Amarande | but as the typical raid shrinks to a relatively sedate 10, there's a lot more resources on the average computer for Blizz to make you dance quick |
| 20:17.03 | Amarande | foxlit: that was later in vanilla, though ... imagine if Molten Core had stuff like that |
| 20:17.21 | Amarande | people would be ragequitting because not enough raiders would have good enough computers to handle things fast enough |
| 20:17.30 | foxlit | I don't buy any of that premise |
| 20:17.46 | Amarande | we're talking 2004, back when you had a single core processor and still actually had nice antique stuff like an AGP graphics card :) |
| 20:17.56 | Dagmar | Hell I had to turn down spell effects in 25mans just so I could see *anything* |
| 20:18.23 | Dagmar | In theory, the boss should have just been choking to death on fog. |
| 20:18.41 | foxlit | And graphics were a lot simpler back then. It worked reasonably well; it wasn't as if anyone was staring at a slideshow. |
| 20:18.47 | Corv | I'm sure computing power informs Blizzard's encounter design, but I think you're massively overstating its impact. |
| 20:19.13 | Corv | If anything, they're more likely to constrain the art team's designs to keep everything usable. |
| 20:19.36 | Corv | Rather than using complex/excess art as a difficulty slider. |
| 20:20.14 | Amarande | Corv: actually, the game still kind of pressures you to drop the graphics detail, sadly :( |
| 20:20.35 | Amarande | perhaps one of the more notable cases being the onyx eggs for order of the cloud serpent |
| 20:20.44 | Dagmar | Go ahead and turn that effects slider all th way up and go into LFR. |
| 20:21.07 | Dagmar | Good luck even seeing the rogues back there. |
| 20:21.09 | Amarande | I'm not even talking about framerate there, but the fact that if you have the difficulty up high, things will be a lot more hidden that are obvious to people running on low graphic settings |
| 20:21.17 | Amarande | like ... onyx eggs |
| 20:21.22 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 20:21.53 | Amarande | it's like one's being punished for having that HD 7850 and daring to actually make use of it, heh |
| 20:22.02 | Dagmar | It can make "bullet hell" games seem easy to visually parse. |
| 20:22.51 | Dagmar | 25 people blazing away at the same time makes for a _crapton_ of glowing decals |
| 20:23.09 | Amarande | yeah, it makes me rather glad for lfr fights that are basically patchwerk type |
| 20:23.18 | Amarande | I may hate Gara'jal's trash, but he's sure fun to fight as ranged |
| 20:23.19 | Dagmar | Add in stuff on the ground and boss decorations and things wander into and out of white-out land continuously |
| 20:23.35 | Corv | I thought you were arguing that they were making raids more timing-difficult because computers were more powerful. Now you're saying that quests are easier with less-powerful computers (or settings tweaked to match such) |
| 20:23.41 | Corv | Aren't those contradictory? |
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| 20:23.53 | Amarande | Corv: actually, raids become more difficult when you turn down the settings, a lot of the time |
| 20:23.54 | Dagmar | No because that's not what he's sayin'. |
| 20:24.11 | Amarande | in particular, in some cases, you can't even see the fire you're not supposed to be standing in if your graphics are set too low :P |
| 20:24.15 | Dagmar | If you turn the slider _all the way_ down, you'll miss stuff |
| 20:24.32 | Corv | I raid with Projected Textures off and particle density at minimum. I'm currently halfway into Terrace. 'sup? |
| 20:24.41 | Amarande | what I'm saying is that back in the early days of WoW, we had less powerful computers, AND we had much larger raids as standard |
| 20:24.51 | Dagmar | IIRC they adjusted that a bit around the time the Isle of Free MOney came out so that you'd be able to use a setting that would let you see the important stuff |
| 20:24.56 | Amarande | which means there was a lot more shit flinging around and a lot less silicon to render it |
| 20:25.19 | Amarande | which meant that tight timing things had to be designed keeping in mind the fact that players can react only so fast when their computer is already that busy |
| 20:25.21 | Corv | Honestly, I find Zor'lok's Attenuation, for example, easier to dodge with Particle Density dropped. |
| 20:25.43 | Amarande | now we have much more powerful computers, and the average raid size has also fallen by 75% from then |
| 20:25.56 | Amarande | therefore, there's a lot less shit flinging around and a lot more silicon to render it |
| 20:26.08 | Amarande | so the computer's a lot less busy on balance and they can much more afford to make us dance. :) |
| 20:27.25 | Corv | It's not all on the computer, though. They've also have the better part of a decade to train players and imagine encounters with more raw complexity, timing aside. |
| 20:27.46 | Amarande | yeah, difficulty creep is a matter as well, and generally speaking at this point it seems even to infect entire genres |
| 20:28.37 | Corv | There are examples where the computer allows new mechanics, I'll grant. |
| 20:28.42 | Amarande | e.g., if you grew up on DOOM, then you lost touch with FPS because you felt the Quakes were mediocre (and you tired of constantly dying in deathmatch because in those days it was all about whether you were rich enough to live somewhere like Manhattan or go to a nice college :P) |
| 20:28.57 | Amarande | then you tried to come back to FPS in the early aughties, the games felt hair-pullingly hard |
| 20:29.16 | Corv | Garalon is the same type of fight as that bug in AQ20, but lower latencies allow the use of Pheromones as the kiting flag, rather than the boss choosing targets at random. |
| 20:29.18 | Amarande | I imagine it's because when a genre gets that popular, they have to keep making new releases harder and harder in order to cater to all the players who are used to the previous games' difficulty already and need a challenge |
| 20:29.22 | Fisker | man |
| 20:29.25 | Fisker | i need a new domain |
| 20:29.31 | Fisker | microsoft just helped terrorists using bing |
| 20:29.41 | Fisker | that's gonna beat the heck out www.scroogled.com |
| 20:30.14 | mikma | hah, scroogled ... |
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| 20:30.41 | Amarande | and as an aside, no, I don't think I was really exaggerating about money being how you win at Quake 2, either, heh. |
| 20:30.46 | Fisker | so what do you want? Companies respecting your privacy or terrorists invading your freedom? |
| 20:31.02 | Fisker | s/respecting/not respecting/ |
| 20:31.17 | Amarande | in my humble opinion I think they released the railgun one or two game generations too soon. :S |
| 20:31.17 | Corv | That choice did seem a bit funny. |
| 20:32.43 | Amarande | as a result, if you didn't have broadband (and in most places you didn't even have the option of it back then), you basically always lost to folks who did |
| 20:32.59 | Amarande | it really didn't help that so many Q2 servers had that accursed mod running where you'd get disconnected if you stayed too long in one place :P |
| 20:33.07 | Amarande | "NO CAMPING. GET MOVING!" |
| 20:34.36 | Amarande | otoh, that seems more a shooter thing ... if anything RPGs seem to have become kind of lukewarm difficulty-wise, while they used to be hair-pullingly hard :) |
| 20:34.56 | Amarande | I have a clue book from one of the later SSI AD&D Gold Box games sitting here. It proudly advertises itself as "cheaper than hair replacement." :D |
| 21:12.44 | Neffi | I think WoW has a system for potential bots in place |
| 21:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | As in, to report them? Or to encourage them? Or to use them as croc-bait? |
| 21:13.20 | Neffi | Since reactivating my account I haven't done any playing, only entered combat once. I consistently get disconnected when sitting in the city and messing with addons. |
| 21:13.52 | Neffi | Never had connection problems, and my ISP is top-notch for my area. I think the server loosely guestimates strange behavior. |
| 21:14.24 | TC-work | fuck legacy .5mb multi part downloads |
| 21:14.29 | TC-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.35 | TC-work | You know an image is old when it has a 782 package, 1.0GB sized update. |
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| 22:07.46 | Neffi | Anyone having connection issues? |
| 22:20.57 | Semlar | i never had problems on my trial account |
| 22:22.35 | Semlar | i would just park it in org while i worked on other stuff and it didn't randomly disconnect |
| 22:24.03 | kd3 | well, sigh. done with the 5.1 wrathion chain and I still don't have a sha-touched weapon |
| 22:24.10 | kd3 | damn you, tsulong |
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| 22:27.45 | nebula169 | i've been done since 1/10 and just got mine this week ;[ |
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| 23:13.48 | Kalroth | who won the harlwar? |
| 23:21.58 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZAGyBb2twQ |
| 23:22.12 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.34 | mikma | cairenn: no, don't. watch the first 5 mins :D |
| 23:22.43 | Cairenn | why? |
| 23:22.47 | Kalroth | aint nobody got time for that! |
| 23:22.51 | mikma | its super funny |
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| 23:26.25 | nebula169 | This video contains content from Hasbro Studios LLC, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. |
| 23:26.30 | nebula169 | ;[ |
| 23:27.03 | mikma | aww poop. use the plugin for firefox that circles around the youtube country restrictions |
| 23:27.27 | Kalroth | you're no better than a pirate if you do that |
| 23:27.36 | Kalroth | stop breaking the law, you filthy criminal |
| 23:27.47 | mikma | noes |
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| 23:45.50 | Neffi | Logging in right now reminds me of RealVideo's buffering |
| 23:46.17 | Neffi | "Initializing...". "Connecting...". 5 minutes later. |
| 23:49.42 | pompy | Seerah: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=568328006520049&set=a.261652183854301.69851.261650307187822&type=1 |
| 23:50.54 | Eridius | huzzah, Dash now has a Lua 5.1 docset in the latest update |
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| 23:53.15 | TC-work | http://kotaku.com/5982725/a-penis+powered-controller-that-looks-familiar oh japan |
| 23:53.19 | TC-work | nsfw |
| 23:54.02 | kd3 | sighs as he gets started on yet another 1GB-sized ptr patch |
| 23:56.59 | Semlar|Laptop | patches kd3 |
| 23:58.21 | MysticalOS | isn't it just a fastpatch? |
| 23:58.27 | MysticalOS | or did they finally upload basempq |
| 23:58.34 | kd3 | Found it! Next build is 16558. Downloading... |
| 23:58.34 | kd3 | http://ak.worldofwarcraft.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod/public-test/15890.direct/Data/wow-update-base-16558.MPQ |
| 23:58.54 | MysticalOS | hmm |
| 23:59.43 | MysticalOS | i didn't find that cause my sniffer found build 16562 |
| 23:59.50 | MysticalOS | but then coudn't find anything but client files |
