| 00:04.46 | VIad | fucking nerd raging kids |
| 00:05.16 | VIad | if you have a kid that plays a game and it's a peer-to-peer game (clients host) then SLAP HIS ASS WITH YOUR PIMP HAND when they use admin tools to block people they don't like just because your kids suck :P |
| 00:05.35 | VIad | had a good game and the kid host nerd raged and lagged me out |
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| 00:27.58 | Adys | [00:04:09] <VIad> fucking nerd raging kids |
| 00:28.03 | Adys | Missing the irony in there... |
| 00:49.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/qBplQZ2.jpg dammit kd3 stop breaking my addon |
| 00:50.29 | kd3 | huh. there's a lot of different locations on that cap |
| 00:50.36 | Semlar | no kidding |
| 00:50.44 | Semlar | the vault of lights is in the exodar |
| 00:51.23 | kd3 | wildhammer stronghold is in shadowmoon valley... the "sunwell plateau" is isle of quel'danas |
| 00:51.39 | Semlar | they're all technically in this instance |
| 00:52.24 | kd3 | yah |
| 00:55.10 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HpijH41.jpg this is also like completely duplicated in the middle of space kd3 |
| 00:55.36 | kd3 | odd |
| 00:56.05 | Semlar | just the area ids |
| 00:57.42 | Semlar | i'm less worried about those than the ones that are practically on top of hellfire |
| 00:57.53 | Semlar | those really shouldn't be there |
| 00:59.20 | Semlar | they appear to be duplicates, because they're also where they should be |
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| 01:01.12 | Semlar | hmmmmm |
| 01:02.08 | Semlar | i suppose a few stray points could have been miscalculated |
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| 01:22.19 | Semlar | kd3 is there an instanced version of these areas? |
| 01:22.47 | Semlar | i wonder if they're somehow being placed here from another phase or something |
| 01:24.59 | Semlar | ah i bet they are from another instance |
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| 01:29.57 | Arrowmaster | finally home |
| 01:30.02 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 01:30.56 | Arrowmaster | left for work at 7am, finally got home at 8:15pm |
| 01:31.21 | Semlar | now what |
| 01:31.31 | Arrowmaster | now i rest in my chair |
| 01:33.02 | Semlar | chill |
| 01:34.38 | Shirik | scary is seeing someone you know featured on kotaku |
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| 01:35.25 | Semlar | oi kd3, i'm pretty sure i know what the problem was |
| 01:35.34 | kd3 | hm? |
| 01:35.51 | Semlar | i think they were from other instances |
| 01:36.35 | Semlar | and i screwed up the logic so everything with the same name was basically put on the first instance they were associated with |
| 01:37.22 | Semlar | should be fixed now but it takes so long to generate this i won't know for a while |
| 01:38.56 | Semlar | in the meantime http://i.imgur.com/Sb4Li9E.jpg |
| 01:39.31 | kd3 | purty |
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| 01:40.21 | Semlar | i need to change how i calculate the centroid for the polygons because the labels aren't really in what i would consider the center of some of them |
| 01:43.55 | Semlar | but i think most importantly it doesn't look like this any more http://i.imgur.com/EE053.jpg |
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| 02:00.57 | Semlar | kd3 http://i.imgur.com/jwoNQFR.jpg ^_^ |
| 02:01.10 | kd3 | yay |
| 02:02.52 | Semlar | the crypt is still out in the middle of the ocean but this is good enough for now |
| 02:03.50 | Semlar | that and i could never figure out what was going on with the isle of giants |
| 02:06.42 | Semlar | the complete database uses about 3.3mb of memory without any sort of compression techniques |
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| 02:08.31 | karl_w_w | "Modem/Router delivery is optional - A $10 fee applies" I love the way that's worded |
| 02:09.40 | TC-work | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTMjzv22FuQ yes please |
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| 02:26.47 | karl_w_w | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJCzxgIIPfU LOLOL best video that's somehow related to the one TC linked |
| 02:29.59 | kd3 | could someone on live type in "/dump 1/0" and tell me the result? |
| 02:30.44 | karl_w_w | it will give you a divide by 0 lua error? |
| 02:30.59 | kd3 | it does on the ptr. I was under the impression live just returns a NaN |
| 02:31.31 | znf | kd3, says [04:31:11] [1]=1.#INF |
| 02:34.28 | kd3 | hm |
| 02:37.42 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/miRjHX4.jpg |
| 02:39.45 | znf | looks at Semlar |
| 02:39.47 | znf | I don't get it |
| 02:39.56 | Semlar | it's the terrain map for naxx |
| 02:40.09 | znf | that much I got |
| 02:40.45 | kd3 | oh wow. it's seriously got half of stratholme implemented in it? |
| 02:41.59 | Semlar | where is sapphiron's lair supposed to be, from the standpoint of the game |
| 02:42.33 | Semlar | is it supposed to be inside the necropolis? |
| 02:42.39 | kd3 | I'm not aware of a relative location (as compared to the main part of naxx), but it's supposed to be inside the necropolis |
| 02:42.40 | Dagmar | I thought so |
| 02:42.42 | kd3 | probably above it |
| 02:42.46 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 02:43.03 | znf | should it? remember you get ported there :P |
| 02:43.25 | Dagmar | yes, but there's nothing to really hint you're doing anything more than taking a telport "up" |
| 02:43.42 | Dagmar | I suppose it could be pretty much anywhere tho |
| 02:43.54 | znf | well, everybody assumes that you get teleported up |
| 02:44.00 | Semlar | i think if you look up from inside kelthuzad's chamber you can see the sky |
| 02:44.11 | Dagmar | As to Stratholme being in the same area, it's not suprising |
| 02:44.22 | Dagmar | You originally had to go *through* Strath to get to Naxx |
| 02:44.25 | nebula169 | wasn't the original portal there? |
| 02:44.26 | nebula169 | yea |
| 02:44.45 | Dagmar | That exit at the end where all the undead come out in a rush and noobs gets stuck |
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| 02:44.53 | xyphoid | and i guess those snowy valleys are just to implement the 'northrend portals' |
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| 02:45.12 | nebula169 | thats not snow, thats untextured |
| 02:45.28 | znf | It's also called "Frostwyrm Lair" located in "The Frozen Heart of Naxxramas" |
| 02:45.38 | nebula169 | damit, it is snow |
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| 02:46.43 | Dagmar | Can't believe I just got a message about one of my L1's at Centennial actually decaying out |
| 02:46.48 | Dagmar | !@#!# wrong chan |
| 02:47.22 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9p4V5LQ.jpg here's the outside of naxx in northrend |
| 02:47.27 | karl_w_w | untextured in wow = invisible |
| 02:47.41 | znf | So, I keep getting the monthly brewfest |
| 02:47.57 | znf | But I'm 99% sure I didn't renew my subscription this year |
| 02:48.16 | karl_w_w | because u dont need to |
| 02:48.19 | nebula169 | i've never "renewed" |
| 02:48.24 | nebula169 | had that shit for like 3 years |
| 02:48.40 | znf | You don't? |
| 02:48.43 | znf | O.O |
| 02:49.37 | znf | mkay |
| 02:49.43 | znf | bed time |
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| 02:55.38 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/ZFIS6SY.jpg i guess this is firelands |
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| 03:09.59 | Dagmar | znf: It's a lifetime membership |
| 03:10.11 | Dagmar | znf: I was a *little* upset when I found out |
| 03:15.17 | karl_w_w | Semlar: on the right is firelands in the left is the molten front |
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| 03:15.57 | kd3 | there's two copies of the firelands raid instance, one of which is on the molten front, which you only see for the bombing run |
| 03:17.04 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/UnrYY6R.jpg >_> |
| 03:17.26 | kd3 | brd sucks |
| 03:17.32 | kd3 | good luck |
| 03:17.37 | kd3 | brs is worse |
| 03:17.45 | kd3 | and I don't even want to think about kara >.< |
| 03:17.47 | Semlar | it's not even inside the possible area of the instance |
| 03:17.57 | Semlar | does brd have a map? |
| 03:18.14 | kd3 | all instances have maps (since cata) |
| 03:18.21 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Classic_instance_maps#Blackrock_Depths |
| 03:19.25 | Semlar | i need to investigate because its coordinates should be out of range of the normal instance area |
| 03:19.56 | Semlar | it's possible i need to treat WMO maps differently |
| 03:20.36 | Semlar | i don't really care about drawing the map but i want the coordinates to be right |
| 03:23.25 | Semlar | i think they're all correct relative to each other but the whole thing is in the wrong spot |
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| 03:53.14 | kd3 | mm. horsemeat |
| 03:53.29 | kd3 | boggles at burger king |
| 03:55.16 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/xPNz0nw.jpg |
| 03:56.25 | kd3 | ack |
| 03:56.28 | kd3 | about what I expected |
| 03:57.21 | Semlar | could be worse |
| 03:58.36 | bluspacecow | if your in the UK that is. |
| 04:01.23 | Semlar | i have no idea if it's possible to get the z axis for a dungeon floor map |
| 04:02.07 | Semlar | unless maybe there's some set distance each floor can have |
| 04:03.33 | Semlar | i could probably split the areas up by floor if i spent some time figuring out how |
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| 04:05.14 | Semlar | karazhan has 17 different maps |
| 04:07.43 | kd3 | I literally started swearing when blizz added the kara maps in a beta build |
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| 05:18.30 | kd3 | and I thought TN couldn't get worse: http://www.memphisflyer.com/TheBruceVBlog/archives/2013/01/24/campfields-solution-for-kids-who-fail-school-starve-them |
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| 05:57.55 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 05:58.28 | kd3 | ...zzzwha? |
| 05:59.21 | Fisker | nothing |
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| 06:29.06 | Primer | ugh, wtf is wrong with Weakauras |
| 06:29.18 | Primer | All I want is something that tells me Consecration is not on CD |
| 06:29.34 | Primer | "Action Usable" doesn't seem to cover this |
| 06:30.21 | Primer | "Cooldown progress (Spell)" seems to only apply when the spell is still on CD |
| 06:30.24 | Primer | not off |
| 06:31.07 | Primer | it's really odd that this was working just fine until I swapped out glyph of consecration, as I can't stand having to hit the button then put it down |
| 06:32.41 | Primer | sigh, I typed the name in the spell text field again and hit okay and now it's fixed... |
| 06:33.01 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
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| 07:07.11 | kd3 | damn it, blizz |
| 07:07.19 | kd3 | "Thunder King's Citadel" redirects here. For the Thunder King's citadel, see Throne of Thunder. |
| 07:07.20 | Semlar | *shakes fist* |
| 07:07.24 | kd3 | sighs as he logs off for the night |
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| 12:39.41 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 12:39.45 | Fisker | jeg skriver lige tissemand her |
| 12:39.45 | Fisker | :D |
| 12:39.50 | Fisker | man zenzio |
| 12:39.55 | Fisker | wouldn't have happened with notepad++ |
| 12:44.19 | zenzio | that was actually exactly what happened. My coworker didn't understand the BOM |
| 12:44.57 | Fisker | i think i'll go kill myself though |
| 12:45.04 | zenzio | kk |
| 12:45.05 | Fisker | old hp drivers and Windows vista and up |
| 12:45.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:45.09 | Fisker | dicks |
| 12:45.11 | zenzio | can I have your stuff? |
| 12:45.13 | Fisker | nope |
| 12:45.21 | Fisker | gonna have it all towed into space |
| 12:45.35 | Fisker | hopefully debris will hit HP HQ and kill everyone |
| 12:45.43 | Fisker | even though nothing would be big enough to do so |
| 12:46.35 | Fisker | however if this google result was true |
| 12:46.37 | Fisker | i love microsoft |
| 12:46.47 | Fisker | apparently they have working drivers on windows update |
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| 13:06.06 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 13:06.10 | Fisker | wanna kill a company? |
| 13:06.19 | bluworkcow | how now brown cow |
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| 13:33.14 | haste | my goal every friday is to have zero active tickets |
| 13:33.17 | haste | today I have 17 |
| 13:33.53 | haste | this is your fault Fisker |
| 13:34.03 | bluworkcow | *nods* |
| 13:34.04 | haste | also your fault that my DAC+Amp still hasn't arrived |
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| 13:40.42 | Fisker | owned haste |
| 13:40.44 | Fisker | tissemand :D |
| 13:40.56 | mikma | nevcairiel: http://i.imgur.com/ZFFCcJv.jpg |
| 13:41.32 | haste | haha |
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| 14:13.39 | zenzio | "Chicks are like cats, dude. If you don't keep their attention, they'll... wait on top of refrigerators." o_O |
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| 14:14.41 | durcyn | mikma: http://imgur.com/gallery/OS9VU |
| 14:15.03 | Lopeppeppy | Pounce on you and claw you to shreds. |
| 14:15.42 | haste | last one durcyn :D |
| 14:16.28 | durcyn | i think that was a dylan moran bit |
| 14:17.26 | durcyn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-PjyRwfedk |
| 14:17.35 | zenzio | I loved the tank one |
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| 14:41.00 | LexSfX | hi. my addon, arenaleaveconfirmer ( http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/arenaleaveconfirmer/ ), skips all confirmation dialogs while in an arena with a very simple hook. however, this also prevents users from changing glyphs and talents while in an arena. is there a way i can query the specific "Leave arena?" confirmation dialog and avoid hooking any other dialogs? |
| 14:41.58 | AcidWeb | LexSfX: parse content of dialogbox |
| 14:42.17 | LexSfX | how, acidweb? |
| 14:45.11 | AcidWeb | check StaticPopupTemplate and find full name of StaticBox1 FontString and check it content. |
| 14:45.21 | AcidWeb | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/StaticPopup.xml |
| 14:45.30 | LexSfX | hmmm. you've pointed me in the right direction. thank you very much! i'll look into this :) |
| 14:46.07 | AcidWeb | Still... why you even want to baypass that popup? |
| 14:46.28 | LexSfX | it's a new change i don't like |
| 14:50.12 | durcyn | it's still going to taint |
| 14:51.13 | LexSfX | durcyn: how so? i'm a noob, so i don't really understand this "taint" stuff |
| 14:51.31 | LexSfX | any help you can give me would be really useful |
| 14:51.49 | LexSfX | i don't want my users (especially myself!) to dislike my addon |
| 14:51.50 | LexSfX | haha |
| 14:52.15 | durcyn | your hook is the issue |
| 14:52.38 | LexSfX | can i query the popup *before* hooking? |
| 14:52.42 | LexSfX | to avoid taint? |
| 14:52.45 | LexSfX | or something |
| 14:52.51 | durcyn | you should be able to do it in a securehook |
| 14:54.11 | durcyn | is there no event for it? what's the actual staticpopupdialog name |
| 14:54.55 | durcyn | CONFIRM_LEAVE_BATTLEFIELD? |
| 14:55.05 | LexSfX | this is my entire source code: |
| 14:55.05 | LexSfX | StaticPopup1:HookScript("OnShow", function(self, ...) |
| 14:55.06 | LexSfX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.06 | LexSfX | end) |
| 14:55.27 | LexSfX | i know no more than that; basically pieced it together from some forum posts and fixed it up to actually work |
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| 14:56.21 | durcyn | you can't just hook ConfirmOrLeaveBattlefield instead? |
| 14:56.49 | durcyn | take a peek at UIParent:4113 |
| 14:56.58 | LexSfX | i'll look into that |
| 14:57.07 | durcyn | hell, if it's unprotected you could just replace it |
| 15:03.11 | p3lim | Anyone got a diff of the lastest PTR? |
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| 15:07.00 | Ressy | You mean kd3's email? |
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| 15:13.36 | durcyn | p3lim: from live or the previous ptr build? |
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| 15:34.14 | Fisker | i'm about to die haste |
| 15:34.24 | haste | not good |
| 15:34.27 | haste | you should fix that |
| 15:37.21 | Fisker | i think i will sap all of your life energy to fix it |
| 15:39.28 | haste | can't be done |
| 15:40.13 | Fisker | oh ok haste |
| 15:40.28 | Fisker | think i'll go get himlefald on vandtornado then |
| 15:41.04 | Fisker | i'm speaking in codes |
| 15:42.41 | p3lim | durcyn: Latest, which would be the one that is currently live |
| 15:43.06 | p3lim | I usually look at tekkub's repo on github, but it's far from updated |
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| 16:01.25 | |Jelly| | Unkle has all the feels. |
| 16:02.04 | Unkle | As in "copping a ..." or as in "boo hoo, I has a feel" ? |
| 16:02.31 | |Jelly| | shrugs. |
| 16:03.37 | Unkle | hawt |
| 16:03.51 | |Jelly| | Yes. Quite. |
| 16:15.46 | TC-work | ~whalegravity |Jelly| |
| 16:15.46 | purl | ACTION points towards a planet-sized whale named Jupitah attracting |Jelly| at a speed increasing as they are approaching him. |
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| 16:21.38 | Unkle | TC-work: That one is sort of weak. |
| 16:22.59 | TC-work | ~whalehug Unkle |
| 16:22.59 | purl | ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug Unkle |
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| 16:24.21 | TC-work | ~whalenapalm Unkle |
| 16:24.21 | purl | ACTION hires an US army plane-sized flying whale to pee on Unkle. IT BURNS. |
| 16:24.55 | Unkle | Whale pee? WHALE PEE? *squick* |
| 16:25.24 | TC-work | what is 'squick'? |
| 16:25.52 | TC-work | wait, a trope? |
| 16:26.27 | Unkle | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squick |
| 16:26.30 | TC-work | If the only place you can find a definition is the urban dictionary fuck that |
| 16:26.58 | Unkle | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.16 | Unkle | Verb, intransitive. To experience this reaction. |
| 16:27.48 | TC-work | ~whalelemmings Unkle |
| 16:27.48 | purl | ACTION 's jaw drops as an army of lemmings escape the mouth of a rather sizeable whale named Remus. The army tramples Unkle |
| 16:28.25 | TC-work | wonders if the whales brother is Romulus. |
| 16:28.43 | Unkle | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 16:30.48 | Shirik | I approve of this idea |
| 16:31.04 | TC-work | rage. |
| 16:31.17 | Shirik | pets TC-work |
| 16:32.53 | LexSfX | so durcyn, should this work if ConfirmOrLeaveBattlefield() is unprotected? |
| 16:32.53 | LexSfX | local origConfirmOrLeaveBattlefield = ConfirmOrLeaveBattlefield; |
| 16:32.53 | LexSfX | ConfirmOrLeaveBattlefield = function() |
| 16:32.53 | LexSfX | LeaveBattlefield(); |
| 16:32.54 | LexSfX | end |
| 16:33.40 | Shirik | it also requires that LeaveBattlefield is unprotected and does not require a hardware event |
| 16:34.53 | LexSfX | i'm going to just test it, i suppose |
| 16:37.22 | LexSfX | it works!!! :D |
| 16:40.49 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:40.58 | Fisker | however not Unkle |
| 16:44.29 | Kraps | Dueling in D3 is the pvp everyone is waiting for? |
| 16:44.49 | Fisker | no Kraps |
| 16:44.55 | Fisker | they were hoping that they could grief people again |
| 16:45.20 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:47.25 | TC-work | ~whalenametheft Thunder_Child |
| 16:47.25 | purl | ACTION watches in awe as a rather menacing whale named Reginald (who also happens to be well versed in the art of marketing) kicks Thunder_Child's ass and steals his/her name. The now anonymous target weeps. |
| 16:47.37 | TC-work | interesting.... |
| 16:55.06 | Kraps | whoa look at the increases of xp per MP level |
| 16:55.08 | Kraps | whoa |
| 16:55.23 | Kraps | oh its for inferno |
| 16:55.27 | Kraps | durrrr |
| 16:56.17 | pompy | lol i highly doubt it.. but if any skyrim ps3 owners: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/01/skyrim-dawnguard-hearthfire-and-dragonborn-dlc-dated-for-ps3 |
| 16:59.33 | Kraps | We're removing the incrementing resurrection timer on consecutives deaths. With the removal of enrage timers in the previous patch and the emphasis on players selecting their level of challenge via the Monster Power system, long resurrection timers no longer serve a useful purpose. It will now be a flat 5 seconds in Softcore. (The resurrection timer in Hardcore remains unchanged. :D) |
| 17:03.20 | Kraps | fuck yeah monk buffs |
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| 17:09.08 | pompy | "Dear Valued Customer, Great news! We've increased your Internet speed! Now the download speed on your Internet service is over 30% faster with speeds up to 20 Mbps and upload speeds up to 4 Mbps." |
| 17:09.13 | pompy | Comcast ^ |
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| 17:10.25 | TC-work | "But the average speed will still be shitballs slow. Thank you for having no one else to turn to." |
| 17:10.48 | nevcairiel | living in the US most be truely horrible |
| 17:11.03 | Fisker | most? |
| 17:11.11 | Fisker | i only have 20/3 :( |
| 17:11.12 | mikma | moist |
| 17:11.14 | Fisker | it annoys me |
| 17:11.27 | TC-work | he meant moist |
| 17:11.31 | nevcairiel | i have 50/10, and i'm mostly content right now |
| 17:11.49 | Fisker | mostly or moistly or mustly? |
| 17:11.49 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 17:12.01 | TC-work | Doesn't cide have 100/100 or something? |
| 17:12.07 | Fisker | we were supposed to get 50/5 like a year or 2 ago |
| 17:12.45 | Fisker | in the meantime we turned down 90/90 because the local tv/internet thingy is dumb as fuck |
| 17:13.00 | Fisker | that fiber is overrated |
| 17:13.07 | Fisker | lets expand our existing copper infrastructure |
| 17:13.11 | Fisker | copper is the future(tm) |
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| 17:24.25 | VIad | Fisker: the future isn't copper |
| 17:24.34 | Fisker | why not? :( |
| 17:24.37 | Fisker | i thought it was |
| 17:24.51 | VIad | it's unobtanium |
| 17:25.09 | Fisker | don't be absurd |
| 17:25.16 | VIad | :( |
| 17:30.17 | VIad | Fisker: what can I do? I totally lost all will to play wow or fix my addons :( |
| 17:30.20 | VIad | lately just been down |
| 17:30.37 | Fisker | kill a guy |
| 17:41.20 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes people get bored |
| 17:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | play to have fun, and take a break when you're not having fun |
| 17:41.59 | Kaylin | but what if I do fun things on break :O |
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| 17:47.49 | VIad | actually got very wored when 5.1 hit and my LFR grind for my sha-socket weapon got too long so I got bored :P |
| 17:48.14 | VIad | there is a moment when soloing stuff and doing LFR alone, guildless, the possibility for reward isn't high enough to keep me interested :P |
| 17:48.35 | Dagmar | I'm sorry but I suspect you've been misled. |
| 17:48.37 | VIad | I think I have up around the 6th week no weapon drop and since I haven't played wow. :3 |
| 17:48.44 | Dagmar | LFR isn't going to provide you with any rewards. |
| 17:49.01 | Dagmar | It lets you know what's going on in there so you won't irritate your actual guild by being utterly lost. |
| 17:49.14 | VIad | it gives me items I don't need, but it has the potential to give me stuff I can use :P |
| 17:49.26 | VIad | I don't have a guild, LFR is raiding for me :) |
| 17:49.32 | Dagmar | Think of it as paying the "cost" of exposing yourself to those people for the experience and it's easier to deal with |
| 17:49.42 | Dagmar | They act dreadfully |
| 17:49.47 | Mr_Rabies | i just stopped running LFR, the stress wasn't worth any reward i'd get |
| 17:50.03 | Mr_Rabies | i run terrace if i can on tuesday, if i can't, then i don't bother |
| 17:50.48 | VIad | I mean for solo content there isn't much to do |
| 17:51.14 | Mr_Rabies | you should find a raid group :D |
| 17:51.15 | Mr_Rabies | also, they |
| 17:51.19 | VIad | sure you can farm for low drop stuff if you think that's fun but, I am more of a guy that would prefer some results after some tries at least, otherwise it's boring :P |
| 17:51.26 | VIad | don't got time for commitment |
| 17:51.39 | Mr_Rabies | there's arguably too much solo content, but not much of it is any good |
| 17:51.57 | VIad | there is tons of solo content but there is a limit how fun it is to repeat the same things over and over again ^^ |
| 17:52.25 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure you can find a raid group that could fit your schedule |
| 17:52.52 | VIad | lately I am on impulse, I just play if I want it and it can be random - not really into the schedule thing :P |
| 17:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | maybe you won't progress a lot, but it usually takes way less time than LFR once you get stuff figured out |
| 17:53.28 | VIad | I raided a lot pre-cata |
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| 17:53.58 | VIad | what happens is I can't stand other people run guilds weird ways so I make my own guild and game over, I already gotta play pretty much half the week :P |
| 17:54.06 | VIad | that's why I don't wanna even join a guild lol |
| 17:54.19 | VIad | the temptation to fix guilds is too high :( |
| 17:54.25 | chiel | i have the same feeling, cause most guilds are shit |
| 17:54.29 | chiel | so i made my own |
| 17:54.33 | chiel | and it's actually pretty nice :) |
| 17:54.46 | VIad | I provide my own dkp system, rules, FAIRish rules for both old guildmembers and newcomers |
| 17:54.57 | VIad | but a lot of work so bleh :( |
| 17:56.40 | Mr_Rabies | dkp's been unnecessary since TBC, imo |
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| 17:56.57 | Mr_Rabies | definitely since wrath, except for 25s, maybe |
| 17:57.03 | VIad | I think it's essential otherwise how do you accommodate for the guys that rotate in and out of the guild? |
| 17:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | even then, i think loot council is the best |
| 17:57.22 | VIad | I think it's too easy for it to become too biased |
| 17:57.29 | Mr_Rabies | my solution is to not rotate people |
| 17:57.34 | VIad | because you get a core of players you prefer to give items to |
| 17:57.47 | Mr_Rabies | the core should be the whole raid group |
| 17:57.54 | VIad | I rmemeber of a 25 raid 10-15 were the same but the rest are shifting a lot |
| 17:58.09 | VIad | not sure how you can assure the same players each raid tbh |
| 17:58.12 | VIad | unless you are lucky |
| 17:58.23 | Mr_Rabies | we do, but we're a 10 man |
| 17:58.24 | VIad | or people place raiding #1 on their schedules |
| 17:58.25 | chiel | dkp is just... meh |
| 17:58.36 | VIad | 10 is a bit easier yes |
| 17:58.40 | chiel | we just use fair judgement to distribute loot in my guild |
| 17:58.42 | Mr_Rabies | and not EVERY raid, but close enough |
| 17:58.43 | VIad | but personally 25 you kind of need a fair loot system |
| 17:58.45 | chiel | i hate 25man raiding, so :D |
| 17:58.59 | Mr_Rabies | i think loot council is the most fair loot system |
| 17:59.00 | VIad | do you have annonymous petitions to check guild members feelings? |
| 17:59.14 | VIad | otherwise you wouldn't know if you are being fair if no one speaks up or can speak up |
| 17:59.14 | chiel | no, people are just honest on mumble |
| 17:59.19 | Mr_Rabies | without having to keep up with some janky points system |
| 17:59.23 | chiel | everyone has the chance to challenge |
| 17:59.39 | chiel | but we raid with the same 10 people for 90% of the raids |
| 17:59.40 | chiel | a |
| 17:59.45 | chiel | and no one is loot obsessed |
| 17:59.49 | chiel | it's just a means to an end |
| 17:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | we're in the same boat, chiel |
| 17:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, we boot loot whores pretty fast |
| 18:00.05 | chiel | yeah, i don't like people who are only in it for the loot |
| 18:00.15 | Mr_Rabies | sooner have someone undergeared than a well-geared person that makes the raid night awkward |
| 18:00.21 | chiel | yep |
| 18:00.42 | Mr_Rabies | however, we do make sure people have their stuff enchanted, gemmed, reforged, etc |
| 18:00.55 | chiel | yeah |
| 18:00.56 | Mr_Rabies | if it shows up on the charts, we'll mention it |
| 18:01.01 | chiel | our guild bank provides everything |
| 18:01.10 | chiel | from flasks ro enchants to food |
| 18:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | (it almost always shows up on the charts) |
| 18:01.28 | chiel | people just contribute whatever they can, and i make sure our gb stays stocked with pots/flasks etc |
| 18:01.42 | Mr_Rabies | we have feasts, but expect everyone to bring their own stuff (including food for progression fights) |
| 18:01.51 | Fisker | haste |
| 18:02.12 | Mr_Rabies | we do cover repairs up to like, 400g a night for raid members i think |
| 18:02.21 | VIad | when I make my 25 guild I wanna make it so it can function even if I am not always there, and not require a fixed set of people to function, don't know, just prefer a framework that requires less human decisions to function, like loot councils :3 |
| 18:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | we just decide who could use the item best in about 10 seconds and move on |
| 18:03.11 | Mr_Rabies | 90% of the time it's "eh, it's a sidegrade, you take it" "no, you take it" |
| 18:03.32 | Fisker | are you pregnant haste ? |
| 18:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | and then the loot master goes "SHUT UP" and gives it to someone randomly |
| 18:04.05 | VIad | when I think back to progression raids everyone needs everything that drops, so not the luxury to "meh you take it" :P |
| 18:04.14 | Mr_Rabies | any guild should function the same if the guild master's not there |
| 18:04.50 | chiel | Mr_Rabies: yeah same.. we just check "oh, who has a shittier item" |
| 18:04.54 | VIad | the important thing is that everyone in the guild are content with how it works :) |
| 18:04.58 | chiel | "oh, him, he should probably take it" |
| 18:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | but understand that will necessarily make you a less powerful GM, and you'd have to give officers pretty much the same abilities as you for that to work |
| 18:05.07 | VIad | and it depends on the type of guild you are |
| 18:05.23 | Mr_Rabies | we have a GM, an assistant GM, and a handful of officers |
| 18:05.28 | chiel | in my guild we just have 4 founders with *full* access to gb |
| 18:05.36 | chiel | but we don't really consider ourselves important or whatever |
| 18:05.45 | chiel | everyone can do whatever they want |
| 18:05.47 | chiel | and it's all good. |
| 18:06.05 | Mr_Rabies | i always hated dkp when we used it, and i intentionally avoid guilds that use it if i find myself without a guild for whatever reason |
| 18:06.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's a relic of 40 man raiding, and there's not much from that era worth keeping |
| 18:06.37 | VIad | I think you are being very judgemental Mr_Rabies |
| 18:06.46 | VIad | there are many ways a dkp system can function |
| 18:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 18:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | if it works for you, it works for you |
| 18:07.15 | Mr_Rabies | but i wouldn't join your guild if i knew it used dkp, at least if i was worried about raiding |
| 18:07.18 | VIad | no really you can end up with entirely different systems even if both use a virtual currency |
| 18:07.26 | VIad | why not I wonder? |
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| 18:07.54 | Mr_Rabies | at the end of the day, i like having a human decide |
| 18:08.24 | Mr_Rabies | there's already enough computer decisions in wow's day-to-day operation, i'd rather it be based on need and not some points system |
| 18:09.14 | VIad | depends how you do it :P |
| 18:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | i think the only dkp systems that work for me basically boil down to loot council anyway |
| 18:10.13 | Mr_Rabies | so why complicate it with points |
| 18:10.49 | Mr_Rabies | i've tried a few, from traditional dkp to zero sum, to zero sum with loot council, etc |
| 18:10.54 | VIad | personally I think new people that join feel they aren't left behind and have a more fixed way to estimate how they are on the "will I get an item" scale |
| 18:11.33 | VIad | also if too many come online and not all can raid, you can have it so they can stay online and available for some amount of dkp as award for being available |
| 18:11.39 | Mr_Rabies | it often seems to not reward those who need the item most, from my experiences |
| 18:11.51 | Mr_Rabies | see, i also don't like benching people |
| 18:12.11 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's a relic of 40 man raiding, except for people working on cutting-edge sponsored raiding |
| 18:12.26 | VIad | don't like but from my experience having some council decide who raids and not, who gets items and not, can get a bit biased, and new people can feel as outsiders |
| 18:12.31 | Mr_Rabies | i hated it then, but it was almost necessary |
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| 18:12.47 | Mr_Rabies | that's a problem with the raid group/council, then |
| 18:12.47 | VIad | I don't mind any system, what ever works for you :P |
| 18:12.57 | VIad | I dislike the prejudice :P |
| 18:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | in our experience, new people tend to get showered in items since the same items drop for us each week |
| 18:13.28 | Primer | My guild uses KSK and I've yet to hear any complaints about it |
| 18:13.29 | VIad | sounds like you are farming the old raids |
| 18:13.37 | VIad | doesn't work like that if you are progressing in new raids |
| 18:14.02 | VIad | again I don't know how things are in cata and now, but before there was always a new raid to progress in around the corner |
| 18:14.11 | VIad | rarely got to the "we don't need these items" moment :D |
| 18:14.16 | Mr_Rabies | our progression is at a wall right now, yeah, but we don't bring newbies to progression nights anyway |
| 18:14.16 | Primer | New people come in at the bottom, of course, but I often don't bid when I know the item is perhaps a slight upgrade and the new guy could use it more |
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| 18:14.31 | Mr_Rabies | we bring the core raid group, or don't raid |
| 18:14.59 | VIad | Primer: ye, but again depends on your system, new people can climb quicker if you have certain rules made to help them do this :P |
| 18:15.21 | Primer | We also have a separate list for tier |
| 18:15.21 | VIad | the point is so they don't feel like they must raid as much as the oldest member to be able to compete for the items everyone want |
| 18:15.34 | VIad | KSK didn't show much on google btw |
| 18:15.35 | Mr_Rabies | we've killed 8/16 bosses this tier, and probably once we get #9 down the rest will fall pretty quickly |
| 18:15.37 | Primer | plus we can create separate lists for specific items if needed |
| 18:15.50 | VIad | found it on curse |
| 18:16.05 | Mr_Rabies | the only items we ever will give to a regular raid member over a newbie are trinkets and weapons |
| 18:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | usually not an issue though, since we tend to fill with someone with different gear needs than the rest of the raid if someone's missing for the night |
| 18:17.14 | Mr_Rabies | and also, mostly getting the same loot each week :p |
| 18:17.31 | Primer | We're 10 man, so our biggest problem has always been attendance |
| 18:17.37 | Mr_Rabies | i've gotten enough copies of this same belt to build the average JRPG character from scratch |
| 18:17.57 | Mr_Rabies | easily 8-10 of the same belt |
| 18:18.08 | Primer | For the past month we've had 1 extra DPS. One DPS just left the guild the other day though, because he is joining another guild whose raid time suits him better |
| 18:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | benching people would make our runs more smooth probably, but it tends to lead to drama |
| 18:18.49 | Mr_Rabies | i don't like the idea, myself |
| 18:18.56 | Primer | Then we have another guy who's always bitching and moaning about being sleepy |
| 18:19.32 | Mr_Rabies | because it denies the benched person a chance at upgrades for the week |
| 18:19.38 | VIad | Primer: I used dkp with zerosum with bidding, awarded for online replacements (queue system) as back then I always had people that we didn't have room for each raid |
| 18:19.55 | Mr_Rabies | and you'll tend to prefer the better geared of the two for most fights if you're working on progression |
| 18:20.32 | Primer | for us progression means "everyone showed up" |
| 18:20.45 | VIad | progression raids always filled up quick :P |
| 18:20.49 | VIad | probably still do |
| 18:21.31 | VIad | recommend a good movie :) |
| 18:21.31 | chiel | for my guild progression will mean from next week on we stop doing MSV on raid days, and just do it at the weekend or so, for people that still need something |
| 18:21.37 | Mr_Rabies | for us, progression means "everyone showed up, and we got the boss we were working on or later noticably closer to death (preferably, including death)" |
| 18:21.40 | chiel | we're still in HoF, which is kinda annoying. |
| 18:21.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah we're stuck on garalon |
| 18:21.53 | Mr_Rabies | we've had so many <1% wipes |
| 18:21.56 | chiel | ahh, we killed him last week |
| 18:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | i think we'll get the rest of HoF pretty fast once we kill him |
| 18:22.14 | chiel | yeah, on our kill dots killed him JUST as he wiped the raid with massive crush |
| 18:22.19 | chiel | so everyone was dead, but so was he,. |
| 18:22.22 | Mr_Rabies | we're having problems with ranged dps |
| 18:22.43 | Mr_Rabies | do your ranged try to get into the double dps circles or just spam the legs they can reach or body from a mostly fixed position? |
| 18:23.13 | Primer | So when you said 8/16, you did not mean heroic? |
| 18:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | our melee tend to do ~100-120k dps, and our ranged usually do ~50-60k |
| 18:23.27 | Mr_Rabies | on that fight |
| 18:23.51 | Mr_Rabies | nah, Primer, too many setbacks this tier for us |
| 18:24.01 | Mr_Rabies | lots of roster changes early on murdered our progression |
| 18:25.55 | Mr_Rabies | we actually have one of our tanks going dps spec/gear to try to make up for shoddy ranged dps |
| 18:26.04 | Primer | Same for my guild, but we're 14/16, 1/16H |
| 18:26.19 | Primer | missing empress and Sha |
| 18:26.44 | Mr_Rabies | do you not have to kill empress to move on to terrace? :O |
| 18:26.57 | Primer | Not that we don't have the gear or the people for it, we just don't have the time |
| 18:27.09 | Primer | Obviously we had someone that had killed it...in a pug |
| 18:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i really hope next tier has some shorter fights |
| 18:27.20 | Primer | the week we were out for holiday back in December |
| 18:27.30 | Mr_Rabies | it seems like almost every fight is around 10 minutes this tier |
| 18:28.00 | Mr_Rabies | even with MSV on farm it tends to take us almost an hour and a half to clear it |
| 18:28.15 | Primer | yeah, it's rather tedious |
| 18:29.37 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mind longer fights but they lose their charm if almost every fight is one |
| 18:30.05 | Mr_Rabies | reminds me too much of vanilla raiding, where you'd repeat phases several times or just stay in one phase FOREVER |
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| 18:31.41 | Fisker | attacks bluspacecow |
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| 18:46.55 | VIad | Mr_Rabies: that's not true :P vanilla had encounters with phases |
| 18:47.54 | Mr_Rabies | i never said it didn't O_o |
| 18:48.13 | Mr_Rabies | reread what i said |
| 18:49.44 | VIad | I mean, you had more than just phase and no-phase fights :3 |
| 18:49.52 | Arrowmaster | http://xkcd.com/1168/ i win tar zxvf file.tar.gz |
| 18:50.14 | VIad | :P |
| 18:50.35 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 18:50.35 | VIad | valid tar command |
| 18:50.37 | mikma | arrowmaster: ok, how about compressing file.tar.gz |
| 18:50.40 | VIad | "tar" with no arguments is valid too? |
| 18:50.47 | Mr_Rabies | by definition, a fight either has to have phases or it doesn't have phases |
| 18:50.49 | Arrowmaster | mikma: you mean file.tar? |
| 18:50.51 | Mr_Rabies | i don't understand what you're saying |
| 18:50.57 | mikma | arrowmaster: now, file.tar.gz |
| 18:51.02 | mikma | arrowmaster: now* |
| 18:51.03 | Arrowmaster | no fucking clue |
| 18:51.03 | mikma | asdasdada |
| 18:51.07 | mikma | NO |
| 18:51.15 | mikma | "no, i mean file.tar.gz" |
| 18:51.22 | VIad | Mr_Rabies: "where you'd repeat phases several times or just stay in one phase FOREVER" i.e. phases OR no phases |
| 18:51.24 | Semlar | soothes mikma |
| 18:51.24 | VIad | :P |
| 18:51.25 | mikma | arrowmaster: tar zcvf file.tar.gz |
| 18:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 18:51.34 | Mr_Rabies | phases or no phases |
| 18:51.36 | Arrowmaster | i just remember tar zxvf for tar.gz and tar jxvf for tar.bz2 |
| 18:51.37 | Mr_Rabies | that's how fights work |
| 18:51.38 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 18:51.39 | mikma | i'd also go with |
| 18:51.40 | mikma | "tar help" |
| 18:51.55 | VIad | even if a fight has no phases it can still be hard or fun |
| 18:51.59 | VIad | for instance razorgore :P |
| 18:52.01 | Semlar | vlad http://i.imgur.com/xPNz0nw.jpg |
| 18:52.09 | VIad | karazhan |
| 18:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | razorgore does have phases though |
| 18:52.20 | VIad | yeah but the last one is loot phase ;D |
| 18:52.20 | Arrowmaster | VIad: razorgore has 2 phases |
| 18:52.21 | Mr_Rabies | the first phase is the kill eggs phase |
| 18:52.25 | VIad | award for managing phase 1 |
| 18:52.38 | VIad | could you wipe at phase 2? never wiped myself :P |
| 18:52.40 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i know english isn't your first language so i'm trying to work with you here, but i don't understand what you're trying to say :( |
| 18:52.44 | Arrowmaster | you could |
| 18:52.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it happened to us a few times |
| 18:52.56 | Arrowmaster | for example if you managed to get to phase2 with barely anybody left |
| 18:53.01 | VIad | yes ofc :P |
| 18:53.06 | Mr_Rabies | mostly because he'd bug out and aoe even in phase 2 |
| 18:53.07 | VIad | but with all alive p2 is pieceocake |
| 18:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | that fight was so buggy early on |
| 18:53.23 | Mr_Rabies | i do kind of miss the wild world of untested raid instances, though |
| 18:53.43 | VIad | even today tough you have phases, or no phases fights, and even if some are with phases it doesn't mean they are fun or harder :< |
| 18:53.43 | Arrowmaster | having different raids doing razorgore and vale at the same time they would be yelling at each other over /1 |
| 18:53.52 | Fisker | pls Arrowmaster |
| 18:53.53 | Fisker | too easy |
| 18:53.56 | Fisker | tar --help |
| 18:53.57 | Mr_Rabies | nowadays everyone knows exactly what to do weeks before the patch even hits, and most of the big bugs have been ironed out for months |
| 18:54.07 | VIad | why does unix use "--" ? |
| 18:54.15 | Arrowmaster | why not |
| 18:54.21 | VIad | isn't one - enough? |
| 18:54.22 | mikma | zoidberg |
| 18:54.25 | VIad | "tar -help"? |
| 18:54.31 | VIad | or "tar /help" |
| 18:54.38 | Fisker | nope |
| 18:54.41 | Arrowmaster | -- is for long arguments |
| 18:54.46 | alestane | Well, that one wouldn't be used because it's a file path. |
| 18:55.07 | Arrowmaster | tar -h vs tar --help |
| 18:55.15 | VIad | what is the problem if you had -help ? |
| 18:55.18 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 18:55.20 | VIad | would it crash tar? |
| 18:55.23 | Fisker | it's tar -? |
| 18:55.26 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 18:55.32 | mikma | viad: "apt-get moo" |
| 18:55.46 | Arrowmaster | VIad: it would interpret it as the individual letter arguments h e l and p |
| 18:55.54 | alestane | It's a convention that one dash is used with single-character flags and two are used with word-length options. I don't know that there's any technical requirement for it. |
| 18:56.01 | alestane | Ah yes, and there is that. |
| 18:56.13 | VIad | how about the tar command, why no "-" in it? |
| 18:56.15 | Arrowmaster | because its old |
| 18:56.18 | alestane | It allows you to group multiple one-character flags. |
| 18:56.20 | VIad | tar zxvf |
| 18:56.27 | VIad | why not "tar -zxvf" |
| 18:56.32 | Arrowmaster | because its old |
| 18:56.43 | VIad | or "tar -z -x -v -f" if you wanna be strict |
| 18:57.29 | VIad | chiel was like "fuck this shit" |
| 18:57.39 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9IUeosz.jpg i think i'm pretty much done fiddling with the database for now |
| 18:57.53 | Semlar | i need to work on the interface |
| 18:57.56 | VIad | Semlar: all this is extracted from the dbc using python? |
| 18:58.02 | VIad | how do you store the database? |
| 18:58.06 | mikma | semlar: yeah |
| 18:58.11 | VIad | each zone by areaID or zoneID? |
| 18:58.24 | Semlar | i made my own index |
| 18:58.41 | Semlar | i had to, WMOs have nothing to relate to |
| 18:58.44 | VIad | wanna show a snippet of the db syntax? |
| 18:58.54 | VIad | how you store this to be used with lua for instance ;) |
| 18:59.34 | VIad | last question is locale, do you have it so if you run your code trough another locale it can produce the proper db too? |
| 18:59.54 | Semlar | i have it set up that i could generate locale files if i wanted to |
| 19:00.09 | Semlar | that's the main reason i used an index |
| 19:00.17 | Semlar | so i could separate the names from the data |
| 19:01.28 | VIad | Semlar: what do you work as? :) |
| 19:02.20 | Semlar | i'm a student |
| 19:02.33 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HsQwDR8.gif |
| 19:04.12 | Semlar | the database isn't optimized |
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| 19:04.47 | Semlar | but it's pretty accurate |
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| 19:06.15 | Semlar | i was considering breaking up the instances in a way that would let you search nearby quicker |
| 19:08.00 | Semlar | it would be bigger but a lot faster |
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| 19:22.46 | kd3 | well I guess the honeymoon is over... 37f with 10mph wind |
| 19:25.37 | kd3 | huh. they shipped another ptr client without updating the -data mpqs again |
| 19:25.51 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 19:29.12 | kd3 | zero-line diff, as expected |
| 19:29.16 | kd3 | sends out an email anyway |
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| 19:32.03 | kd3 | emails out (no diff) |
| 19:32.40 | TC-work | no confusion in herew |
| 19:32.41 | TC-work | here* |
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| 19:41.13 | Fisker | awwww |
| 19:41.32 | Fisker | the star across the street is having babies |
| 19:41.43 | chiel | VIad: lol :) |
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| 19:45.00 | mikma | cairenn: http://imgur.com/gallery/OLQyhpD |
| 19:45.40 | Cairenn | okay ... |
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| 19:55.39 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/847x5Jg |
| 19:57.04 | mikma | cairenn: http://imgur.com/gallery/JiiARlC |
| 19:57.32 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 20:01.33 | mikma | cairenn: http://imgur.com/gallery/vToYoF3 |
| 20:01.45 | Cairenn | okay ... |
| 20:02.59 | Rythal | the original is much funnier |
| 20:05.08 | mikma | well you need to have seen the original for that to be funny :P |
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| 20:39.52 | Stanzilla | Java Runtime Environment 7 Update 13 released |
| 20:40.08 | Stanzilla | for your 0day exploiting pleasure |
| 20:40.50 | kd3 | ponders |
| 20:41.27 | Stanzilla | yeah, I never saw 12 |
| 20:41.49 | kd3 | I don't appear to have java installed at all on this box... no browser plugins, no results in rpm |
| 20:42.00 | Stanzilla | that's actually good :D |
| 20:46.02 | Arrowmaster | i have openjdk but no browser plugins |
| 20:46.28 | Stanzilla | in the recent java versions for win you can disable browser integration completly |
| 20:46.42 | Stanzilla | I only have it installed because of jdownloader, minecraft and the WoL client anyway |
| 20:51.24 | Yoshimo | no other reason to do so indeed ;) |
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| 20:56.01 | Neffi | Semlar: ping |
| 20:56.05 | Semlar | herro |
| 20:56.13 | Neffi | You seem like the man to ask.. |
| 20:56.24 | Semlar | i never am |
| 20:56.26 | Neffi | You've been going through DBC and similar files for map info, right? |
| 20:56.32 | Semlar | yeah |
| 20:56.43 | Neffi | Have you come across any info about the z-axis? |
| 20:56.44 | Semlar | i'm going to have nightmares about it |
| 20:56.57 | Neffi | Eg, are there tables of data about in-game height? |
| 20:56.59 | Semlar | sure there's heightmap info and the WMO (models) have z coordinates |
| 20:57.10 | Neffi | Are they complicated to parse? And large? |
| 20:57.21 | Semlar | it should be doable |
| 20:57.25 | Neffi | cool |
| 20:57.44 | Semlar | i haven't messed with the heightmaps because you can only get the x,y coordinates on the map in game so it's not really something i need |
| 20:57.59 | Neffi | I'm looking to implement something akin to Routes. I wanna see how fast I can make a traveling-salesman implementation for mining/herb nodes. |
| 20:58.21 | Semlar | i think it's in the tex0 version of the adt files |
| 20:58.25 | Neffi | I figure a nice feature would be considering height and mapping accordingly to minimize travel times where large mountains and shit are in the way |
| 20:58.53 | Neffi | I'll probably ask you again in a few weeks when I get around to actually messing with it |
| 20:58.56 | Semlar | there's collision information in the WMO files too |
| 20:59.09 | Semlar | like walls and stuff |
| 20:59.15 | Semlar | for buildings |
| 20:59.34 | Semlar | or places like wailing caverns, the whole place |
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| 21:00.35 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure quest helper used the heightmaps to generate pathing information |
| 21:00.51 | Semlar | i can only assume the portals were all done by hand |
| 21:03.36 | Semlar | actually they might be in the main ADT files |
| 21:04.04 | Semlar | i could try deciphering it if you want |
| 21:04.33 | Neffi | Don't bother now |
| 21:04.43 | Neffi | I'm busy with school shit. Not working on anything for at least a few weeks. |
| 21:04.51 | Semlar | alright |
| 21:04.54 | Neffi | Now that I know the info is there, I'll come back to it later |
| 21:05.03 | Neffi | Anyway, for now I need to split. Thanks Semlar. |
| 21:05.04 | Semlar | if i have time i'll at least identify where it is |
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| 21:18.47 | Amarande | hrm, when did they change this. :| |
| 21:18.54 | Semlar | when you weren't looking |
| 21:19.44 | Amarande | ARL claims you need certain minimum skill levels in order to learn various minor glyphs through minor inscription research |
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| 21:20.06 | Amarande | however, today I learned a glyph I most certainly shouldn't have had the skill level for, instead of one of the four I was expecting to be able to learn one of |
| 21:20.16 | Amarande | and now I looked at wowhead and see ALL of them listed as starting at 75 |
| 21:20.25 | Semlar | surprise! |
| 21:21.30 | Amarande | I guess they must have decided to not throw roadblocks in the way of being able to learn your minor glyphs and are now relying solely on the mats as a limiting factor |
| 21:21.43 | Amarande | (even though it looks you can get them all at 75, you still need mats commensurate with their previous requirement) |
| 21:22.15 | Amarande | ARL needs fixing, though. :S |
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| 21:51.40 | VIad | Semlar: how do you translate the areaID and the real coordinates into in-game coordinates? |
| 21:51.52 | VIad | since the coordinates in the dbc are the map coordinates probably |
| 21:52.08 | Semlar | it's possible to get real coordinates in game |
| 21:52.21 | VIad | but not from API, you gotta calculate it yourself aye? |
| 21:52.43 | Semlar | it can be done using the api |
| 21:52.50 | VIad | tell me :o |
| 21:52.54 | Arrowmaster | math |
| 21:53.06 | Semlar | take a look at foglight |
| 21:53.40 | Arrowmaster | its not hard, you get zone size and position in the dbc files, all you need to figure out ingame cords is the zone size |
| 21:53.40 | Semlar | i don't have a database of minimap tiles |
| 21:54.20 | Semlar | you can actually just do GetWorldLocFromMapPos to convert 0-1 coordinates on the current map to the instance level coordinates |
| 21:54.53 | Semlar | it takes x,y and returns the instance id, y, x |
| 21:55.27 | Semlar | i don't know which instance it returns information about for transformed maps |
| 21:55.53 | Semlar | i just know i couldn't use it because i needed information about both instances |
| 21:57.48 | Semlar | arrowmaster: it's possible to get the zone size in-game through the api now |
| 21:57.56 | Semlar | i don't think very many people know about it |
| 21:58.11 | Arrowmaster | you have it so easy now |
| 21:58.29 | Arrowmaster | i used to have to mine the dbc for zone sizes just to calculate movement speed |
| 21:58.52 | Semlar | yeah well it took me a long ass time to figure out what all the functions did because they don't return values in any sort of predictable order |
| 21:59.55 | Arrowmaster | you can get most of the function arguements from the wow executable |
| 22:00.15 | Semlar | at some point i might try to write up a crash course on the map system |
| 22:00.35 | Semlar | maybe save someone else some headache |
| 22:04.25 | Semlar | arrowmaster what do you think http://i.imgur.com/9IUeosz.jpg |
| 22:04.41 | Semlar | aside from the fact that everything overlaps |
| 22:04.56 | Arrowmaster | fine i guess, never been to the zone |
| 22:05.10 | kd3 | it's right |
| 22:07.22 | Amarande | yay, go go gadget phasing bugs |
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| 22:52.28 | Adys | [21:57:51] <Arrowmaster> i used to have to mine the dbc for zone sizes just to calculate movement speed |
| 22:52.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 22:52.50 | Adys | this * 1000. You lucky snack, Semlar. |
| 22:53.01 | Semlar | man you have no idea what i've had to do |
| 22:53.15 | Adys | Please, tell me about all the things you had to put in your mouth |
| 22:53.36 | Arrowmaster | we also had to manually measure speeds to estimate zone sizes for a few zones that didnt have accurate info in the dbc |
| 22:53.47 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 22:53.51 | Adys | you can get character speed now |
| 22:54.07 | Adys | altho it's not entity speed, it's just character speed |
| 22:54.26 | Arrowmaster | and its not horizontal speed, its velocity |
| 22:54.37 | Adys | KEEP WHINING WHY DONT YOU |
| 22:55.20 | Semlar | i wish we could still get the camera angle though |
| 22:56.15 | Adys | you could just write addons for game engines directly. |
| 22:56.51 | Adys | altho I'm quite sad wow's engine doesn't have any similar open source counterpart |
| 23:10.41 | mikma | adys: well you should se swtor, only combat log is open |
| 23:11.29 | mikma | i'm still waiting for marvel heroes to open ^^ |
| 23:11.46 | mikma | that'll basicly mean pause for wow, again |
| 23:15.39 | Stanzilla | pets Adys |
| 23:29.15 | sintAcks | "Implemented 5.2 menu system, not tested on non-5.1, but you're downloading alpha, so it's your fault if it breaks" |
| 23:29.16 | sintAcks | lol'd |
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