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| 06:46.18 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday Shirik! |
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| 07:42.26 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/W40LQfL.jpg |
| 07:46.43 | Shirik | https://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/making_things/14.jpg |
| 07:46.49 | Shirik | this describes all of Wikipedia |
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| 08:03.24 | bluworkcow | i don't hate you Shirik |
| 08:03.25 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.18 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyh_qky66do |
| 08:04.41 | bluworkcow | HATS |
| 08:04.44 | bluworkcow | TNT |
| 08:04.52 | bluworkcow | STYLISH BOW |
| 08:05.53 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:19.37 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 08:19.41 | Fisker | i don't not hate you |
| 08:20.12 | Fisker | reported for copyright infringement Shirik |
| 08:21.41 | Kaylin | DMCA time |
| 08:22.39 | Fisker | problem officer? |
| 08:24.16 | bluworkcow | *tongue in Fisker's Ear* |
| 08:27.08 | Fisker | more please |
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| 08:29.23 | Fisker | it is happening haste |
| 08:29.23 | Fisker | http://www.dustinhome.dk/product/5010666041/corsair-supertower-obsidian-900d-eatx-black/ |
| 08:37.01 | nevcairiel | that thing still is fucking ugly =p |
| 08:46.34 | Fisker | not as ugly as your mom |
| 08:51.51 | nebula169 | never understood why people get full towers, they're all big and ugly, if you're going to stick a million hds into it, put in a cheap 4u or something and turn it into the server you'll probably be using it for |
| 08:55.48 | Semlar | it's easier to work inside of a larger case |
| 08:56.31 | Fisker | why would i use a corsair 900d for a servercase? |
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| 08:58.25 | nebula169 | not saying you would, i just remember going to lans and seeing people lugging around giant cases with every bay filled, seemed silly to me |
| 09:02.17 | VIad | I hate having a cold |
| 09:03.32 | Semlar | :( |
| 09:04.07 | VIad | sleeping like 12 hours and waking up like each hour or two :( |
| 09:04.42 | VIad | Primer's security cam stream is the only thing that keeps me entertained these days. |
| 09:04.57 | Semlar | well here have a picture http://i.imgur.com/mFOEyUG.jpg |
| 09:05.09 | VIad | ah you made a grid |
| 09:05.24 | VIad | one empty cell in Diremoor :D |
| 09:05.26 | Semlar | yeah these are how it actually looks on the terrain |
| 09:05.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/W40LQfL.jpg i'm working on the wmos now |
| 09:06.22 | VIad | that's gonna be a lot of dooda names :D |
| 09:06.45 | VIad | good job Semlar |
| 09:06.52 | Semlar | yeah i have to sort out which ones actually have a useful name |
| 09:06.59 | Semlar | it's a little bit of a pain in the ass |
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| 09:11.38 | VIad | Semlar: why didn't my Cataclysm Elders reset this Lunar Festival? :P |
| 09:11.58 | VIad | does this mean that others may experience Elders not resettings for them this year? |
| 09:12.03 | Semlar | maybe it's a one time thing |
| 09:12.13 | VIad | no Elders are supposed to be repeatable |
| 09:12.17 | VIad | like Candy Buckets |
| 09:12.31 | Semlar | maybe they screwed it up |
| 09:12.32 | VIad | the quests should reset for everyone |
| 09:12.35 | VIad | yeah I think they did :P |
| 09:16.41 | VIad | just got these comments http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/candy-buckets-lunar |
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| 09:19.43 | Semlar | hm |
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| 09:28.47 | Fisker | ah |
| 09:29.18 | Semlar | oh? |
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| 09:39.59 | Jamash | uh! |
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| 09:48.57 | mikma | semlar: any good updates? |
| 09:49.15 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/W40LQfL.jpg |
| 09:49.30 | Semlar | oh wait, you said good |
| 09:49.58 | Semlar | i'm trying to figure out how i'm going to structure this database without it being huge |
| 09:50.03 | mikma | yeah, as in files that i can download |
| 09:50.15 | mikma | there's no way of doing it without getting huge |
| 09:50.23 | Semlar | well, less huge |
| 09:50.46 | mikma | that basicly means, don't add super cool features in if you wanna keep it small-ish |
| 09:51.48 | mikma | semlar: /find is extremely useful ;) "The Commons is under attack" ... hmm, /find the commons ... oh, -> killing enemies in your city ;) |
| 09:52.18 | Semlar | i know there's a ton of like superfluous stuff in that |
| 09:53.11 | Semlar | i think there's multiple entries for some things |
| 09:55.06 | mikma | yes there are but who cares if they point into same direction, hah |
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| 09:57.01 | Semlar | i'm glad you're getting some use out of it |
| 10:02.08 | mikma | that's the whole reason why i thought of creating the gps in the first place ;) |
| 10:09.52 | bluworkcow | kk home times |
| 10:10.13 | Fisker | bye bluworkcow |
| 10:10.16 | Fisker | hope you don't die |
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| 10:42.15 | haste | but I've already bought a new computer Fisker |
| 10:43.19 | Zootfizzle | http://i.imgur.com/5R5MLDP.jpg |
| 10:44.44 | Fisker | it does not matter haste |
| 10:45.21 | haste | yes it does |
| 10:46.27 | mikma | semlar: you need to do a tomtom inject into the gps |
| 10:46.39 | mikma | so, zootfizzle is a fister. |
| 10:46.54 | Fisker | nope haste |
| 10:52.23 | Zootfizzle | mikma: Usually I make them buy me dinner too |
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| 11:18.58 | g0urra | happy birthday kd3! |
| 11:20.04 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, Happy Birthday! |
| 11:21.39 | Stanzilla | Fisker: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Thumb+Up+Thumb+Down_daad3f_3930456.jpg |
| 11:23.29 | Fisker | hope you don't die kd3 |
| 11:23.56 | Zootfizzle | If only he could automate his glyphs |
| 11:24.28 | Fisker | why would you automate glyphs? |
| 11:25.01 | Zootfizzle | I don't know |
| 11:25.15 | Zootfizzle | Why not automate everything? |
| 11:25.28 | Zootfizzle | I have an automatic Fisker I keep in a drawer |
| 11:33.21 | g0urra | Fisker |
| 11:33.25 | Fisker | g0urra |
| 11:33.29 | Fisker | where's my happy birthday? |
| 11:33.34 | g0urra | have you done brawler's guild |
| 11:33.44 | Fisker | up until the rank i get the pass yes |
| 11:33.56 | g0urra | how did you beat Yikkan Izu? |
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| 11:34.16 | Fisker | the one with the flock of birds right? |
| 11:34.20 | g0urra | yes |
| 11:34.32 | g0urra | either I hit too many birds |
| 11:34.39 | g0urra | or I get killed because he hits like a truck |
| 11:34.56 | Fisker | i think i just nuked him normally |
| 11:35.05 | Fisker | then when he started hitting i did ds + aw and stuff |
| 11:35.10 | Fisker | hitting hard* |
| 11:35.16 | Fisker | long time ago though |
| 11:35.23 | g0urra | hm |
| 11:35.26 | g0urra | I'll just try that then |
| 11:36.10 | g0urra | yeah I got to 40%. |
| 11:38.14 | Fisker | what kind of gear do you have? |
| 11:39.19 | g0urra | ilvl 492, but I got lucky this time and managed to kill just 4 at a time |
| 11:39.50 | Fisker | are you doing it in a raid btw? :P |
| 11:40.00 | Fisker | forgot to say we pretty much were fully buffed all the time |
| 11:41.40 | g0urra | no.. solo |
| 11:44.55 | Zootfizzle | I've decided that if I have to be a ferengi I want to be Nog |
| 11:46.57 | Zootfizzle | Step 1: Figure out what to do with all these self-sealing stem bolts |
| 11:47.29 | Zootfizzle | They're useless for making sprockets |
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| 11:54.46 | Zootfizzle | Heya karl |
| 11:56.23 | jnwhiteh | Zootfizzle: they're useless for everything =/ |
| 11:56.34 | jnwhiteh | but if you're ferengi you'll find a way to turn a profit |
| 11:57.09 | Neffi | I'm guessing a college campus or near one: http://imgur.com/gallery/duDn5Nc |
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| 12:01.57 | Zootfizzle | jnwhiteh: Sometimes I wish I'd kept my yamok sauce |
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| 12:28.47 | VIad | Semlar: http://imgur.com/gallery/27hcDFs |
| 12:30.13 | Zootfizzle | :O |
| 12:30.45 | Humbedooh | hurr |
| 12:31.00 | Humbedooh | for a second there, I thought that was mikma posting that link |
| 12:31.10 | Humbedooh | 'cause that'd be just like him |
| 12:37.19 | VIad | :D http://imgur.com/gallery/uiIqcKe |
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| 12:42.55 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 12:43.06 | bluspacecow | was about to mail some BoE to the enchanter alt |
| 12:43.09 | bluspacecow | who is my druid |
| 12:43.17 | bluspacecow | who i'm logged into |
| 12:43.20 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 12:43.24 | VIad | :| |
| 12:56.07 | Neffi | our phones now have phones http://goo.gl/7ayMz |
| 12:56.43 | VIad | looks like an expensive phone that does what my old 3310 does |
| 12:56.47 | Coote | phoneception |
| 12:57.03 | Zootfizzle | ._. |
| 12:57.09 | Neffi | I don't know whether to laugh at the idea |
| 12:57.12 | Zootfizzle | Does that mean I should kill the phone? |
| 12:57.15 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/aRCkX |
| 12:57.50 | Neffi | Part of me is intrigued. I've been waiting for phablet-style devices since the first tablet. And they're past pushing the bounds of just being phones into general purpose mobile computers. |
| 12:58.09 | Neffi | Maybe the trend will be, the big device is a mobile computer, the little one is like a bluetooth headset for it |
| 12:58.20 | Zootfizzle | So basically it's a bluetooth headset for people who don't want to look schizophrenic and hate voice dialing |
| 12:58.30 | Neffi | seems that way |
| 12:58.57 | Zootfizzle | You'll have to pry my headphones with inline mic away from my cold dead hands |
| 12:59.11 | Neffi | I think phablets hit a sweet spot for size. Big enough to be general use, small enough to carry around. But they definitely are annoying to talk on. |
| 13:00.39 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/L9Ovpn6 |
| 13:01.22 | Humbedooh | I don't want no short people |
| 13:01.31 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/gqVKeBt :D |
| 13:01.55 | Neffi | lol |
| 13:02.07 | Zootfizzle | Yay fees |
| 13:02.13 | Humbedooh | yay gnomes! |
| 13:02.15 | Zootfizzle | <anti-capitalist rant/> |
| 13:02.33 | Humbedooh | gnomes > fees |
| 13:02.39 | Adys | Semlar: ping |
| 13:02.42 | Humbedooh | but also gnomes < tall people :\ |
| 13:02.43 | VIad | http://imgur.com/gallery/2TqE5Fh :D |
| 13:02.52 | Neffi | The comments make the point for me, so I won't bother |
| 13:03.29 | Neffi | Luggage fees may be high, but they make some sense. If you want to argue about their prices, tackle the point directly. |
| 13:03.55 | VIad | Neffi: I'm fine with fees but when the fees start to cost half the ticket... :P |
| 13:04.13 | VIad | "so you want another 30kg bag? that's 50$" |
| 13:04.26 | Neffi | I agree with that sentiment |
| 13:04.46 | VIad | actually that is cheap, in norway it can cost you probably average 90$ :P |
| 13:04.55 | Neffi | But it's not like airlines are unique. Every big company treats you like their own personal bank whenever they get the chance. |
| 13:04.59 | Zootfizzle | The cost of fuel for transporting luggage used to be included in the ticket price, along with a healthy profit margin for the airline |
| 13:05.15 | VIad | health profit margin, you bet :P |
| 13:05.19 | VIad | healthy* |
| 13:05.51 | Neffi | Go argue about ISPs that still impose ridiculous bandwidth limits |
| 13:05.52 | Zootfizzle | Competition has forced prices down on tickets, but they want to recoup the fuel costs. |
| 13:06.10 | Humbedooh | still find it amusing that the channel topic says "CIA & JIRA bots reporting" :D |
| 13:06.11 | Zootfizzle | That gives them the opportunity to charge four times the price of the fuel to carry the bag |
| 13:06.19 | Humbedooh | RIP cia.vc ;( |
| 13:06.42 | Zootfizzle | If you walked into an airport with a few gallons of jet fuel and an extra bag, they wouldn't let you on the plane, you'd just be arrested :P |
| 13:08.49 | Neffi | So I'm starting school on monday. Out of the 3 more 200-level comp sci classes I need, I signed up for 2 this semester. One of them, which has a hgiher course number than my previous C++ class, I found out was a glorified MS Excell class. |
| 13:09.21 | VIad | Zootfizzle: I like that idea, let me bring the fuel for my extra bag :D |
| 13:09.29 | Neffi | *After* learning C++ logic and how to build C++ apps, learning how to use Microsoft Excel is on the agenda. For some reason, that's a 200 level comp sci course at my school. |
| 13:09.41 | Zootfizzle | I would suggest testing out of it, but most CS majors I know would never bother to memorize how to write ridiculously complicated formulas in Excel unless somebody forced them at gunpoint |
| 13:09.58 | Zootfizzle | And I'm sure that's what would be on the test |
| 13:10.45 | VIad | I am a bit unsure what to do, but I am not receiving the supposed bandwidth from my ISP for at least a week now... |
| 13:10.54 | Neffi | Financial aid pays for my whole tuition plus travel fees and then a bit. Testing out is probably going to be a sticky situation. |
| 13:11.06 | Adys | damn it all |
| 13:11.08 | Neffi | Considering the government paid almost a thousand dollars for a class that I'm not going to attend |
| 13:11.28 | Adys | why are there so many rare mounts as instance/raid drops =/ and why the hell arent they dropping |
| 13:12.12 | Neffi | I'm at least glad I'm not doing any C++ this semester. Assembly and MS Excel. I can live with that. |
| 13:14.03 | Zootfizzle | Good way to look at it |
| 13:14.17 | nevcairiel | thats an odd combination |
| 13:14.20 | nevcairiel | asm and excel? |
| 13:14.24 | Neffi | lol yeah |
| 13:14.48 | Neffi | The only other 200 level course I need is discrete math, no code. I didn't hit calc yet so that's all I can take. |
| 13:14.57 | Adys | nevcairiel: assembly gets you used to the pain of having to use msexcel |
| 13:15.38 | Adys | it's a bit like drinking whisky and gasoline at the same time. |
| 13:15.45 | Zootfizzle | I give up. After 12 hours of trying, I can't make a conductive non-scratch fingertip to incorporate into my magneto gloves without buying special thread |
| 13:15.49 | Neffi | I've been plowing through general requirements, so that next semester I won't have to deal with wierd pre- and co-requisite setups |
| 13:15.51 | nevcairiel | it makes for a volatile mixture? |
| 13:15.52 | Zootfizzle | Anybody have any sciencey ideas? |
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| 13:16.42 | Zootfizzle | Right now I've reverted to licking the fingertip of the glove and I know that will draw stranger looks than I already get |
| 13:16.56 | wereHamster | Zootfizzle: explore what happens when you mix mentos and coke. |
| 13:16.56 | Neffi | For your smartphone Zoot? |
| 13:17.05 | Zootfizzle | Yeah Neffi |
| 13:17.11 | Zootfizzle | Needs to work with capactive touchscreens |
| 13:17.28 | Neffi | I'm assuming you want to avoid going out and buying exotic materials and shit |
| 13:17.31 | VIad | Zootfizzle: reverse engineer the wow chat protocol (packets) for fun? |
| 13:17.49 | wereHamster | VIad: for that just look at one of the many wow emulators |
| 13:18.03 | Zootfizzle | I can't buy any conductive thread until February :P |
| 13:18.07 | Adys | https://github.com/fry/wowarmory/tree/master/wowarmory |
| 13:18.12 | Neffi | Afk a few. Lemme go smoke and treat the toilet to a snack. I'll think on what kind of common materials you might be able to use. If I come up with something, I'll ping you. |
| 13:18.12 | VIad | obviously wereHamster don't cheat :P |
| 13:18.20 | Adys | Zootfizzle: go to your local fencing club or shop |
| 13:18.29 | wereHamster | VIad: have you looked at the protocol? |
| 13:18.33 | Adys | they sell conductive materials to fix/craft vests |
| 13:18.50 | VIad | long time ago I did, wereHamster |
| 13:18.53 | Zootfizzle | There's a beading shop in town that sells the thread I need for $5 |
| 13:18.57 | Zootfizzle | I just don't have the $5 |
| 13:19.17 | wereHamster | it seems like blizzard designed it with 'security through obscurity' in mind. The packets are needlessly complicated for no good reason. |
| 13:19.24 | Zootfizzle | My last idea is to sew bits of conductive foam into the fingertips |
| 13:19.27 | Neffi | Have you considered ripping apart speaker wire and using the strands of copper? |
| 13:19.33 | Neffi | Might be too conductive though |
| 13:19.47 | VIad | that wowarmory project is it like the armory for phone client? |
| 13:19.59 | Adys | Zootfizzle: what about melting a bit of aluminium foil onto the tips? |
| 13:20.45 | Zootfizzle | I'm leery of using CU and AL directly because I don't want to ruin the glass |
| 13:21.05 | VIad | Adys: you made it? |
| 13:21.11 | Adys | no |
| 13:21.16 | Zootfizzle | I tried copper wire and it works but makes the gloves somewhat unwearable because of the amount required |
| 13:22.59 | wereHamster | tried gold? |
| 13:23.31 | Zootfizzle | I'm trying to think of a convenient piece of electronics to destroy to get the gold I need |
| 13:25.14 | wereHamster | aren't harddrive platters coated with gold? |
| 13:25.51 | VIad | Zootfizzle: you making gold? |
| 13:25.52 | Zootfizzle | Sure |
| 13:25.55 | VIad | nice |
| 13:25.58 | Adys | Zootfizzle: seriously, why not aluminium? |
| 13:26.03 | Coote | get some old rca connectors, they're usually gold plated. |
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| 13:27.04 | Zootfizzle | Adys: I'm afraid of scratching the phone glass, is that an irrational fear? My thinking brain says yes, my lizard brain says KEEP METAL THINGS AWAY FROM GLASS ON EXPENSIVE PHONE ZOMG |
| 13:27.09 | Neffi | I just found some pretty awesome evidence of a battle in my front yard |
| 13:27.22 | Adys | Zootfizzle: gold will be just as bad |
| 13:28.14 | Coote | most phones have gorilla glass or something si,ilar these days. toss in a cheap screen protector, and unless you're pressing hard enough to gouge it, you'll be safe in most cases. |
| 13:28.20 | Neffi | I followed paw prints from a cat through the snow and I see prints that look like a bird's. Apparently, the cat was on a fence, jumped down to where the bird was. A spot is marked out where the cat apparently pinned the bird to the ground, with some drag marks roughly its size leading off until it jumps back over the fence. |
| 13:28.28 | Adys | Zootfizzle: melt it into the threading and you can always sand it off against some hard threading |
| 13:28.40 | Adys | like a floormat |
| 13:30.06 | Adys | i dont see you needing to do that tho |
| 13:30.27 | Zootfizzle | Coote: Screen protectors drive me nuts, I hate looking through them, I always peel them off |
| 13:31.44 | Adys | honestly, just try it on your palm |
| 13:31.58 | Adys | if you cant scratch yourself by trying hard on it, you wont damage the glass |
| 13:32.54 | Zootfizzle | Hmm |
| 13:33.07 | Zootfizzle | So very thin rounded copper wire is probably safe |
| 13:33.55 | Coote | even if it's pointy, it should be safe enough if you're not pressing super hard. still much safer to go with rounded if possible. |
| 13:41.28 | Zootfizzle | Okay |
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| 13:41.57 | Zootfizzle | Mohs hardness of Aluminum is 2.75, Copper is 3 |
| 13:42.05 | Zootfizzle | Gorilla glass is supposed to be around 9 |
| 13:42.31 | Zootfizzle | I feel safer |
| 13:42.32 | Zootfizzle | Thank you science |
| 13:42.39 | Adys | you're welcome |
| 13:43.03 | Zootfizzle | Thank you also, Adys. :P |
| 13:43.13 | Adys | no, I'm science |
| 13:43.20 | Zootfizzle | Well, yes |
| 13:43.22 | Zootfizzle | You are |
| 13:43.29 | Zootfizzle | But not all of science |
| 13:43.29 | Coote | Aluminum is softer than copper? Heh, guess you learn something new every day. |
| 13:44.04 | Adys | aluminium is seriously fucking soft |
| 13:44.17 | Adys | why do you think we make paperfoil of it |
| 13:44.43 | Coote | I probably should have known that given I used to do metal fab and worked as a mechanic, but aluminum always seemed way harder than copper. |
| 13:44.46 | Humbedooh | uhm, because you don't want to do that with copper ;) |
| 13:44.58 | Zootfizzle | Because there's less copper than aluminum? |
| 13:45.01 | Humbedooh | copper foil = not so good for food :D |
| 13:45.06 | Coote | you can also make foil with lead, but that doesnt mean its a good idea. |
| 13:45.42 | Adys | uhm |
| 13:46.02 | Adys | its not like i manufacture it myself but afaik one of the main reasons we use aluminium for it is because of its softness |
| 13:46.31 | Zootfizzle | It's also the third most abundant element on earth |
| 13:46.48 | Coote | I've always wondered why they switched from tin to aluminum. never enough to bother researching though. |
| 13:47.49 | Adys | Yes Zootfizzle |
| 13:47.50 | Adys | details. |
| 13:48.03 | Zootfizzle | No, Adys. |
| 13:48.05 | Zootfizzle | Science :D |
| 13:48.14 | Humbedooh | yay gnomes! |
| 13:48.24 | Adys | DETAILS |
| 13:48.28 | Humbedooh | GNOMES! |
| 13:48.42 | Humbedooh | pats Zootfizzle |
| 13:48.46 | Adys | naked gnomes |
| 13:48.54 | Coote | Gnomes? PFF! Goblins do it better. With explosions! |
| 13:48.56 | Humbedooh | hands Zootfizzle a gnome sized pipe and some tobaccco |
| 13:49.15 | Zootfizzle | :D |
| 13:49.24 | Zootfizzle | Well |
| 13:49.30 | Zootfizzle | Now I want to use aluminum |
| 13:49.31 | Adys | https://github.com/ojacobson/grimoiredotca/blob/master/wiki/mysql/choose-something-else.md |
| 13:49.40 | Zootfizzle | So that I can tell people it's aluminium |
| 13:49.51 | Adys | I dont get it, the guy gives this slew of very good arguments against mysql (out of a bunch to choose from) |
| 13:49.54 | Adys | and then |
| 13:49.55 | Zootfizzle | But incorporating that into my gloves seems more difficult |
| 13:50.04 | Adys | "my favourite example being a fat-fingered UPDATE query where a mistyped = (as -, off by a single key) caused 90% of the rows in the table to be affected, instead of one row" |
| 13:50.38 | Adys | seriously |
| 13:51.09 | Adys | "I typo'd import datetime as os.popen("rm -rf /"), python sucks" |
| 13:51.58 | Zootfizzle | Was this written by somebody who works for Oracle? |
| 13:52.18 | Adys | dont think so |
| 13:52.48 | Adys | im pretty sure bashing mysql when you work for oracle is a case of kettle-meet-pot |
| 13:53.56 | Zootfizzle | I was gonna say... |
| 13:58.57 | Zootfizzle | I think aluminum is ductile enough that I can cut it into tiny ribbons and twist a thread, but that seems like it would leave edges |
| 13:59.26 | Zootfizzle | Maybe just the tiny ribbons will work |
| 14:08.44 | Fisker | Zootfizzle |
| 14:09.14 | Zootfizzle | o_O |
| 14:09.16 | Fisker | want my creamy dessert? |
| 14:10.10 | Zootfizzle | Tempting |
| 14:11.01 | Zootfizzle | How many calories are in it? |
| 14:13.58 | Fisker | dunno |
| 14:16.37 | Zootfizzle | I've discovered it's easier to squish aluminum into a wire than it is to twist it :P |
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| 14:19.44 | Zootfizzle | Making a very very tiny roll seems even better |
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| 14:23.29 | Fisker | i'm an awesome Zootfizzle |
| 14:24.12 | Zootfizzle | Dare I ask? |
| 14:24.39 | Zootfizzle | How does one become an awesome Zootfizzle? |
| 14:25.18 | Fisker | to become an awesome Zootfizzle you must first stop being a Zootfizzle |
| 14:25.33 | Zootfizzle | How buddhist |
| 14:26.05 | Fisker | you calling me fat? |
| 14:26.11 | Zootfizzle | Is it like Pokemon? I can't be a pichu and a pikachu? |
| 14:26.24 | Fisker | sure |
| 14:29.06 | Zootfizzle | Pulling tiny bits of aluminum through coarse wool tends to result in the aluminum breaking |
| 14:29.10 | Zootfizzle | I may have to switch back to copper |
| 14:30.42 | Adys | Zootfizzle: melt it |
| 14:30.54 | Adys | put it in a little receptacle, dip the tip of the glove |
| 14:30.55 | Adys | done |
| 14:31.04 | Zootfizzle | As far as I know, aluminum has a very high melting point |
| 14:31.22 | nevcairiel | just 660 °C |
| 14:31.23 | Zootfizzle | I have a soldering iron and a propane torch |
| 14:31.32 | Adys | that should be more than enough |
| 14:31.39 | Adys | it doesnt need to be properly melted |
| 14:31.43 | Adys | just enough to attach |
| 14:32.26 | Zootfizzle | Hmm |
| 14:33.43 | Zootfizzle | Just the single 1mm strip I got through the glove works great, but I know it's not durable, so yay for smelting |
| 14:33.52 | Zootfizzle | Now I just need something to heat the aluminum in |
| 14:34.16 | Zootfizzle | Fisker, c'mere |
| 14:34.19 | Zootfizzle | I need to borrow your hands |
| 14:34.35 | Adys | he wants to kiss them |
| 14:34.36 | Adys | careful |
| 14:34.55 | Zootfizzle | I just want to kiss them with science |
| 14:35.31 | Zootfizzle | Aha |
| 14:35.45 | Zootfizzle | No, that won't work |
| 14:35.53 | Zootfizzle | I can't smelt aluminum in an aluminum can |
| 14:36.04 | Zootfizzle | A steel can though... |
| 14:36.13 | Fisker | hey Zootfizzle |
| 14:36.20 | Fisker | can i get your mag gloves? |
| 14:36.24 | Fisker | i want to be magneto |
| 14:36.46 | Zootfizzle | Once I'm done perfecting the prototype I'm going to try a kickstarter project |
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| 14:36.54 | Zootfizzle | So yes |
| 14:37.17 | Fisker | what's the estimated price you think? |
| 14:37.21 | Zootfizzle | I like coating the fingertips in aluminum because it will make them look cool |
| 14:37.27 | Zootfizzle | Uh |
| 14:37.43 | Zootfizzle | 10 magnets at $0.24 each |
| 14:37.49 | Zootfizzle | One pair of gloves from the dollar store, $1 |
| 14:37.57 | Zootfizzle | A strip of aluminum foil |
| 14:38.00 | Zootfizzle | So $50 |
| 14:38.10 | Fisker | starts adding together |
| 14:38.13 | Zootfizzle | (I'm using Apple pricing) |
| 14:38.19 | Fisker | ah |
| 14:38.22 | nevcairiel | that would be 150 |
| 14:38.39 | Fisker | ($1 + $2,4) * apple factor = $50 |
| 14:38.52 | Fisker | anyway |
| 14:38.58 | Zootfizzle | Well these are fake apple magnetic gloves made from irregular Foxconn parts |
| 14:39.00 | Fisker | i'll help you by throwing money at it |
| 14:39.18 | Zootfizzle | Honestly, I'll probably sell them for $10 |
| 14:39.28 | Zootfizzle | Maybe cheaper |
| 14:39.32 | Zootfizzle | I want everyone to have them |
| 14:40.02 | Zootfizzle | In all likelihood I'll use better gloves |
| 14:40.25 | Zootfizzle | So maybe as much as $15 |
| 14:40.26 | Zootfizzle | but cheap |
| 14:40.45 | Zootfizzle | I'm glad you want some :D |
| 14:41.09 | Zootfizzle | I think I'll give you a pair for free for emotional support and since you offered me your creamy dessert. |
| 14:41.13 | Zootfizzle | If you want to chip in that'd be awesome |
| 14:41.53 | Zootfizzle | Adys, Coote, and Neffi also get free gloves for science help |
| 14:41.55 | Fisker | i don't need your handouts |
| 14:41.57 | Fisker | i'm an adult |
| 14:42.02 | Fisker | you can't buy me Zootfizzle |
| 14:42.12 | Neffi | I didnt really help much =/ |
| 14:42.13 | Zootfizzle | If I bought you I would return you |
| 14:42.16 | Adys | Throw it on the ground Fisker |
| 14:42.23 | Neffi | also i don't have a smartphone, but thanks |
| 14:42.37 | Zootfizzle | Neffi: The cool part of the gloves is the magnetosense |
| 14:42.49 | Fisker | harsh Zootfizzle |
| 14:42.58 | Neffi | O.o |
| 14:43.04 | Zootfizzle | The smartphone part is just so I can use them |
| 14:43.31 | Zootfizzle | The gloves have magnets in the fingertips and a large magnet or maybe a triforce shape of magnets on the back of the palm |
| 14:43.54 | Zootfizzle | Maybe more magnets |
| 14:44.27 | Zootfizzle | Like one on the inside palm |
| 14:45.07 | Zootfizzle | Adys: Do you think the soldering iron will work? |
| 14:45.26 | Adys | Zootfizzle: I think it might even be overkill |
| 14:46.03 | Adys | Zootfizzle: you just need to make the aluminium malleable enough that it can get inside the fiber; you could use a press for that or something |
| 14:47.59 | Zootfizzle | I think I'll put the handle of a screwdriver inside the glove and do a simulated finger press into the aluminum |
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| 14:48.20 | Adys | yeah was thinking something like that |
| 14:48.51 | Zootfizzle | The marine in me says I should just put two gloves on at once |
| 14:49.18 | Zootfizzle | But that might hurt :P |
| 14:49.25 | Adys | Mom, can I touch the melted aluminium? |
| 14:49.57 | Zootfizzle | And I don't want to explain to a doctor that the third degree burn on my finger was from melting aluminum to make magneto gloves that can use capacitive touch screens |
| 14:50.50 | Adys | i dont think you'd have to explain it |
| 14:50.53 | Adys | so go right ahead |
| 14:53.46 | Adys | Zootfizzle: I dont know why I'm giving you any kind of advice |
| 14:54.17 | Adys | I spent the past five minutes trying to figure out why my vacuum cleaner is still not working thinking the engine was still overheating |
| 14:54.22 | Adys | it's not plugged in. |
| 14:56.32 | Zootfizzle | Heh |
| 14:57.38 | Zootfizzle | Hrm |
| 14:57.56 | Zootfizzle | How much foil to use... |
| 15:00.26 | Zootfizzle | I made a 2cm by 2cm square 12 layers thick |
| 15:00.52 | Zootfizzle | I guess I should go with just one layer |
| 15:01.54 | Zootfizzle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU0O0AvOrm4 |
| 15:05.33 | Zootfizzle | Maybe melting some of this wire I made would be easier with a soldering iron |
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| 15:22.13 | Fisker | melts Zootfizzle |
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| 15:38.00 | Zootfizzle | Neat! |
| 15:38.04 | Zootfizzle | It appears to have worked |
| 15:38.47 | Zootfizzle | The fingertip of the glove is weirdly stiff and though I can't see much aluminum (just a few specks) it works |
| 15:39.21 | Zootfizzle | Adys is my hero |
| 15:39.27 | Adys | Yes I am |
| 15:39.53 | Zootfizzle | Aluminum conducts heat too well to melt large pieces, I had to go with 1mm squares |
| 15:40.06 | Adys | the wool is stiff? |
| 15:40.12 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 15:40.31 | Adys | i cant really tell without a picture but you might just fix that with laundry soap |
| 15:40.39 | Zootfizzle | This is a dollar store glove too |
| 15:40.41 | Adys | its more likely stiff from the heat |
| 15:40.44 | VIad | Zootfizzle: you talk a lot |
| 15:40.44 | Zootfizzle | It could be 15% polyester |
| 15:40.49 | VIad | Amarande 2? |
| 15:41.09 | VIad | :') finally someone like me and Amarande! |
| 15:41.24 | Zootfizzle | I couldn't tell if that was an insult or not... |
| 15:41.54 | Zootfizzle | I'm glad it wasn't! |
| 15:41.54 | VIad | lol it's not an insult |
| 15:41.54 | Adys | Amarande would be telling you how those gloves remind him how much he farmed those level 70 epic gloves that dropped from magisters terrace with his shaman alt, which reminds me how much more powerful shamans were back then |
| 15:42.03 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 15:42.17 | bluspacecow | dave kosak and ghostcrawler making drunken vegas style tweets on twitter |
| 15:42.22 | bluspacecow | forums think they've been hacked |
| 15:42.24 | bluspacecow | LOLOLOL |
| 15:42.37 | Zootfizzle | I miss Dave :( |
| 15:42.55 | VIad | what stops you from talking with Dave? |
| 15:42.59 | VIad | the only one is - yourself |
| 15:43.04 | Zootfizzle | He lives in Southern California and I live in Oregon |
| 15:43.09 | VIad | Skype |
| 15:43.13 | Zootfizzle | 1300 miles tends to limit the activities one can do with friends |
| 15:43.14 | Adys | theres this thing called the internet |
| 15:43.15 | bluspacecow | the power to talk to dave |
| 15:43.19 | bluspacecow | is within yourself |
| 15:43.22 | bluspacecow | *rainbow* |
| 15:43.23 | VIad | indeed, bluspacecow |
| 15:43.29 | VIad | Dave isn't dead |
| 15:43.33 | Zootfizzle | Talking to Dave isn't the same |
| 15:43.39 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 15:43.42 | bluspacecow | he isn't ? |
| 15:43.45 | VIad | I hope not :P |
| 15:43.48 | bluspacecow | i should go fix that |
| 15:43.52 | Zootfizzle | Dave is an experience |
| 15:43.54 | bluspacecow | *kills all daves* |
| 15:43.54 | VIad | otherwise Zootfizzles statement is fine as it was |
| 15:44.02 | Zootfizzle | You must use all five senses |
| 15:44.33 | bluspacecow | i thought i had to let go of them |
| 15:44.34 | Adys | Exclusive offer on sexual innuendo, use it now |
| 15:44.39 | bluspacecow | and fondle a fisker |
| 15:44.51 | VIad | talk to him and visit him at some point, holiday or what ever :P |
| 15:45.06 | Zootfizzle | I can't afford to drive to the convenience store |
| 15:45.10 | VIad | :( |
| 15:45.15 | Zootfizzle | I'm melting aluminum foil to avoid buying $5 thread |
| 15:45.25 | Zootfizzle | I could bike or make a covered wagon or something |
| 15:45.26 | VIad | I thought Blizzard paid their CM well |
| 15:45.35 | VIad | considering the millions of revenue |
| 15:45.43 | Adys | doesnt zoot work at valve now? |
| 15:45.49 | Zootfizzle | That's Slouken |
| 15:45.53 | Adys | oh |
| 15:45.59 | Zootfizzle | Zoot is unemployed and lives at his parents |
| 15:46.06 | VIad | :( |
| 15:46.20 | VIad | I guess Blizzard isn't the nerd dream life |
| 15:46.36 | Zootfizzle | When you start in QA earning minimum wage, it's hard to be perceived as anything else, no matter what you end up doing |
| 15:46.59 | Zootfizzle | My WoW boss told me I didn't spend enough time in QA after working on the interface for two years |
| 15:47.07 | VIad | if it helps I live at home as well until I find a fulltime job! |
| 15:47.21 | VIad | what UI elements did you make? |
| 15:47.28 | Zootfizzle | Achievement interface |
| 15:47.45 | bluspacecow | if you zoom on the texture you see a tiny "By zootfizzle" |
| 15:47.48 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 15:48.06 | VIad | it's nice - but there is a weird taint issue or something that makes the achUI "lag" when browsing huge categories like the dungeon achievements :( |
| 15:48.07 | Zootfizzle | I did the death knight runes |
| 15:48.23 | Adys | did you do the old dk portrait stuff |
| 15:48.26 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 15:48.28 | Zootfizzle | Every iteration |
| 15:48.29 | Adys | sweet |
| 15:48.31 | Zootfizzle | A new one every day |
| 15:48.32 | Zootfizzle | EVERY DAY |
| 15:48.45 | Zootfizzle | Ahh DK PTSD |
| 15:48.50 | Zootfizzle | I made the glyph UI |
| 15:48.52 | VIad | aren't textures handled by other companies? |
| 15:48.59 | Zootfizzle | Nope |
| 15:49.05 | VIad | back in vanilla talked to someone that was hired by blizzard to make feralas textures :P |
| 15:49.09 | Zootfizzle | I did the equipment manager |
| 15:49.10 | VIad | i.e. his company worked for blizzard |
| 15:49.21 | Zootfizzle | Although I hate the UI for it |
| 15:49.45 | Zootfizzle | The only part I really like is the API |
| 15:49.51 | Zootfizzle | Sort of. |
| 15:49.58 | Zootfizzle | Uh, the colorblind mode |
| 15:50.08 | Zootfizzle | The integrated devtools |
| 15:50.19 | Zootfizzle | I incorporated a lot of community mods using C-side trickery |
| 15:50.20 | Adys | little known fact: i implemented colorblind mode in db.mmoc |
| 15:50.41 | Zootfizzle | I made the UI Options UI |
| 15:50.55 | Zootfizzle | I added a bunch of macro functionality |
| 15:51.12 | VIad | why doesn't [raid] accept totems? :( |
| 15:51.13 | Zootfizzle | Mostly I fixed bugs |
| 15:51.24 | Adys | so you basically did everything that made the UI suck less in wlk |
| 15:51.26 | Zootfizzle | Because I was the only Shaman on the devteam |
| 15:51.26 | VIad | as warrior can spawn my own totems/flags and intervene them :3 |
| 15:51.33 | Zootfizzle | ? |
| 15:51.56 | VIad | ([raid] checks if target is in my "group") |
| 15:52.30 | Zootfizzle | I made the bug reporting UI for the PTR that they apparently stopped using |
| 15:52.41 | VIad | they now use a new reporting feature |
| 15:52.42 | Zootfizzle | That was while I was in QA though so the code was horrible |
| 15:52.47 | Adys | lol did they ever use that |
| 15:52.51 | Zootfizzle | Yes |
| 15:53.00 | Adys | i dont think its possible to report bugs outside the forums anymore |
| 15:53.01 | Stanzilla | for like 4 PTRs |
| 15:53.04 | VIad | Zootfizzle: did you make the vanilla alpha suggestions and QA code? :P |
| 15:53.50 | Stanzilla | is it VIad asks stupid questions time of the day again? :D |
| 15:53.57 | VIad | :( |
| 15:54.05 | Zootfizzle | I started working for Blizzard just before Burning Crusade was announced |
| 15:54.11 | VIad | aha, then nope |
| 15:54.22 | Zootfizzle | I remember getting really jealous because I started one week too late to get my own t-shirt with blood elves on it |
| 15:54.29 | VIad | :( |
| 15:54.42 | Zootfizzle | I ended up getting one of the extras they claimed didn't exist |
| 15:54.49 | Zootfizzle | Like, a year later |
| 15:54.50 | Arrowmaster | why would you want one of those |
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| 15:54.54 | Arrowmaster | orcs > blood elves |
| 15:55.22 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 15:55.54 | Zootfizzle | Working on WoW was great, working with the community was great, living in southern california on what Blizzard paid me was not so great |
| 15:56.31 | Zootfizzle | In retrospect it was quite a bit of money for someone who was self-taught and had only been working on expansions for a game for a couple of years |
| 15:57.03 | Zootfizzle | On the other hand, it was pretty clear that they did not like the way addons changed WoW and that there was nowhere for me to advance |
| 15:57.04 | VIad | did blizz provide you with a home? |
| 15:57.25 | bluspacecow | *giggle* |
| 15:57.26 | Stanzilla | I still think the UI dev team is like 3 people and the QA team about 2 |
| 15:57.34 | VIad | ( QATests code from wow alpha http://fbe.am/gNn ) |
| 15:57.55 | Adys | Vlad: what's that? |
| 15:58.14 | VIad | the lua code for what was blizzards qatest "addon" in alpha :P |
| 15:58.21 | VIad | just fun to see what they did hehe |
| 15:58.24 | Adys | which alpha? |
| 15:58.31 | Adys | the vanilla one? |
| 15:59.13 | Stanzilla | (yes) |
| 15:59.37 | VIad | yes |
| 16:00.02 | VIad | the creature in the QA is still on wowhead :P http://www.wowhead.com/npc=1921 |
| 16:00.05 | VIad | "Combat Dummy" |
| 16:00.24 | Zootfizzle | They still use that creature AFAIK |
| 16:00.41 | Zootfizzle | There should be more dummies in there too |
| 16:01.09 | Zootfizzle | I made the internal UI they used for showing WoW Arena tournaments |
| 16:01.38 | Zootfizzle | I also made a new UI with extensive camera controls and field of vision so they could do all the cinematics using in game rendering |
| 16:01.40 | Adys | i remember when i found out how to mass load npcs by id on the servers; i was going through the data and there was this test crasher with a longass name |
| 16:01.40 | Zootfizzle | Lots of stuff |
| 16:01.47 | Adys | something like crashes everything holy shit stay away |
| 16:01.49 | Zootfizzle | Good memories |
| 16:02.17 | Adys | they changed the name after that tho... wonder if i can still find it |
| 16:02.22 | VIad | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=24324 |
| 16:02.26 | Adys | oh |
| 16:02.27 | Adys | yeah |
| 16:02.28 | Adys | that one |
| 16:02.52 | Zootfizzle | I'll never forget my favorite bug |
| 16:02.57 | Zootfizzle | The invisible bunnies bug |
| 16:03.17 | VIad | did you make the bug? |
| 16:03.30 | Zootfizzle | No, I just got to see a debug screenshot |
| 16:03.37 | Zootfizzle | Where they made all the invisible bunnies visible |
| 16:03.51 | Zootfizzle | In Blade's Edge Mountains, there's an area where Fel Cannons shoot at you |
| 16:04.05 | VIad | ah yes |
| 16:04.10 | Zootfizzle | The game designer that made it had that work by spawning an invisible bunny at your location and then targeting the bunny |
| 16:04.15 | VIad | I always wondered, why does invisible bunnies exist? |
| 16:04.16 | VIad | aha |
| 16:04.17 | Zootfizzle | Except he forgot to get rid of the bunny afterwards |
| 16:04.33 | Zootfizzle | So on live servers, eventually there would be millions of bunnies in the sky |
| 16:04.50 | Zootfizzle | Then half of outland would crash or something |
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| 16:06.23 | Zootfizzle | I miss working there even though I felt quite crappy about it at the time |
| 16:06.51 | VIad | don't get nostalgic sad on me now |
| 16:07.27 | Zootfizzle | Meh |
| 16:08.14 | Zootfizzle | I was just a pretend programmer compared to everyone else |
| 16:08.19 | Zootfizzle | Look at me, I can script in lua |
| 16:08.39 | Stanzilla | why did you quit? |
| 16:08.48 | Fisker | i love invisible bunnies |
| 16:08.56 | Zootfizzle | My boss called me entitled and said I shouldn't have been promoted out of QA |
| 16:08.59 | Zootfizzle | I felt like I had to quit |
| 16:09.06 | VIad | what? |
| 16:09.15 | VIad | he said you weren't worthy to leave QA? |
| 16:09.28 | Stanzilla | what a dick |
| 16:09.44 | VIad | let the guy get a chance - don't be such a dick |
| 16:09.45 | Adys | haha i found it |
| 16:10.08 | Adys | Zootfizzle: http://i.imgur.com/vh1naHX.jpg |
| 16:10.21 | VIad | I remember the credit marker too |
| 16:10.27 | VIad | but why must scripts be spawned units in the world? :P |
| 16:10.48 | Adys | Vlad: because spells |
| 16:10.51 | VIad | I figured there was back-end stuff running, that you don't need like a credit marker unit |
| 16:11.00 | VIad | explain |
| 16:11.01 | Adys | yeah this is probably not needed anymore |
| 16:11.05 | Adys | i dunno |
| 16:11.10 | Adys | i would hope so anyway |
| 16:11.12 | Zootfizzle | Nice Adys :D |
| 16:11.23 | Fisker | still bunnies Adys |
| 16:11.29 | Zootfizzle | I'm sure they still do it the same way |
| 16:11.31 | Fisker | there was a bunny for 5.1 dailies |
| 16:11.45 | Adys | i dont know, i remember trying to do /target PvP |
| 16:11.50 | VIad | scripts can make players cast spells on themselves, off the GC and all, I guess it was a vanilla leftover thing, or tbc |
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| 16:11.55 | Adys | and it didnt work in wsg, so at least if they still do it they're invisible now |
| 16:11.59 | Zootfizzle | All the people capable of rewriting the server code so that such things would be unnecessary had moved on to Titan before I left |
| 16:12.19 | VIad | I hope "Titan" has a good UI system |
| 16:12.22 | VIad | for addon devs :P |
| 16:12.27 | Fisker | WoW had a good UI system |
| 16:12.29 | VIad | please no more taint sillyness |
| 16:12.57 | Zootfizzle | I'm pretty sure I can't talk about that, as much as I want to |
| 16:13.13 | Fisker | about what? |
| 16:13.17 | Fisker | titan? |
| 16:13.19 | Adys | titan "titan" or titan whatever-next-blizzard-game |
| 16:13.19 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 16:13.21 | Adys | ? |
| 16:13.25 | VIad | is everything that happene at work something you can't talk about Zootfizzle? :P |
| 16:13.41 | Fisker | most is |
| 16:13.48 | Fisker | didn't you see the comic? |
| 16:13.48 | VIad | but for how long? |
| 16:13.51 | Zootfizzle | Anything involving proprietary technology |
| 16:13.52 | VIad | for ever? |
| 16:13.53 | Fisker | forever |
| 16:13.57 | Zootfizzle | Or upcoming projects |
| 16:13.58 | VIad | forever* |
| 16:14.01 | Fisker | forevers! |
| 16:14.18 | VIad | military people talk about stuff when they get old |
| 16:14.25 | VIad | can't be forever - things expire :P |
| 16:14.27 | Adys | i thought the old/original "titan" wasn't a thing anymore |
| 16:14.43 | Adys | and it's basically a codename for whatever IP is next |
| 16:14.50 | Zootfizzle | Quite possibly |
| 16:14.53 | Fisker | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/23 <-military people don't have that in their back of their heads |
| 16:15.09 | VIad | :P |
| 16:15.11 | Fisker | there was an original titan? |
| 16:15.18 | Zootfizzle | If I were you, and I wanted to imagine how the UI will work for Titan, I would extrapolate based on what Blizzard did to the WoW UI over time in terms of customizability |
| 16:15.45 | VIad | shame Zootfizzle, bad pay and you can't talk about your experiences with anyone :( |
| 16:16.05 | Adys | Vlad: sounds like my night in vegas the other week... |
| 16:16.08 | VIad | except off the record of course ;) |
| 16:16.29 | Zootfizzle | Nobody wants to hire a bitter software engineer who is willing to talk nothing but crap about the last company they worked at |
| 16:16.38 | A-KO | that sucks, friend of mine still works on the server team, so far seems to enjoy it....though I don't ask much |
| 16:16.40 | Zootfizzle | Blizzard does lots of things right, it just clearly wasn't meant for me to work there |
| 16:16.42 | Fisker | i hope it's a good sci-fi IP they make in the new mmo |
| 16:16.43 | A-KO | because after all, it is just another job :P |
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| 16:17.05 | Fisker | bereaucracy has killed it pretty significantly now |
| 16:17.08 | Adys | blizzard does a lot of things wrong |
| 16:17.10 | Fisker | atleast in terms of support |
| 16:17.13 | VIad | no Zootfizzle the guys oppinion does not make him right just because he works at "the Blizzard" |
| 16:17.20 | Adys | moreover having them in your portfolio is a big plus Zootfizzle |
| 16:17.26 | VIad | don't say he was right and you aren't good enough |
| 16:17.27 | Fisker | I've been bugged on a quest for several months now |
| 16:17.46 | Fisker | just a few years ago they would've fixed it by logging my character and flagging the quest |
| 16:17.54 | Fisker | now it's "fuck you, use the bug report tool" |
| 16:18.02 | VIad | :D |
| 16:18.09 | VIad | a GM logged in on my character once |
| 16:18.13 | Zootfizzle | Thanks for the support VIad :) |
| 16:18.15 | VIad | while I was logged on another character |
| 16:18.23 | Adys | Fisker: you mean "fuck you, use the bug report tool. I wish you a pleasant azerothian day! Don't forget to rate!" |
| 16:18.33 | Fisker | oh yes Adys |
| 16:18.46 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.49 | Fisker | it's funny |
| 16:19.12 | Fisker | they've made all these tools to make a lot of player-created issues disappear so they could free up queue time |
| 16:19.23 | Fisker | but they still don't have time to fix real blizzard-created issues |
| 16:19.27 | Zootfizzle | My boss was a programmer who only worked at Blizzard because he'd been at Swinging Ape studios for 2 months before they fired almost everyone and put Ghost on indefinite hold |
| 16:19.36 | Fisker | but atleast they can tell us within the hour that they can't assist |
| 16:19.39 | Zootfizzle | So... |
| 16:19.46 | Zootfizzle | Obviously I have quite a high opinion of him |
| 16:20.09 | Stanzilla | Fisker: maybe because they kicked out lik 80% of all GMs or so |
| 16:20.14 | Zootfizzle | How he ended up in charge of anything is beyond me |
| 16:20.36 | Zootfizzle | Rather than having people skills, I would say he had people-alienating skills |
| 16:20.58 | VIad | I think many people in the work force work a job they probably should work at |
| 16:21.15 | Zootfizzle | Well, that was me too, VIad |
| 16:21.16 | VIad | like on the edge in the gray zone, so not enough reason to remove them but yet they could do a better job :P |
| 16:21.29 | VIad | ofc - but if in the gray zone I say give the guy a chance |
| 16:21.39 | Zootfizzle | My job should have gone to someone with a degree in Computer Science who had a versatile skillset and the ability to advance and produce for the company over the long term |
| 16:21.46 | VIad | unless you obviously are too far below the minimum, -_- I doubt you were |
| 16:21.50 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 16:21.58 | bluspacecow | do you hate cogs zootfizzle ? |
| 16:22.11 | VIad | Zootfizzle: you need to start somewhere |
| 16:22.24 | VIad | atm my problem is when I look for a job they usually want someone with experience, the dilema |
| 16:22.41 | VIad | being a inward person it makes me stand even less out in a positive way :P |
| 16:22.45 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=28374/zootfizzle#comments |
| 16:22.46 | Fisker | how so Stanzilla ? |
| 16:22.48 | bluspacecow | *giggle* |
| 16:22.49 | Zootfizzle | bluspacecow: That was cogwheel and my thing |
| 16:23.02 | Stanzilla | Fisker: because |
| 16:23.55 | Adys | Vlad: thankfully freelance doesn't have that issue |
| 16:24.05 | Fisker | because what Stanzilla ? |
| 16:24.07 | Zootfizzle | Adys: Agreed |
| 16:24.29 | VIad | considering to try hiering company to hire me somewhere :P |
| 16:24.37 | Adys | it's also quite great because for the projects i worked on where I'm really not proud of my code or did a horrible job, they all went under before the code ever went live |
| 16:24.44 | Stanzilla | Fisker: because they fired tons of them? |
| 16:24.48 | Zootfizzle | I'm working on my own game now, once I release it and have some sales I'm going to send the source code and ten free versions to a bunch of companies and try to get another job I guess |
| 16:24.52 | VIad | Adys: lol |
| 16:24.58 | Fisker | last i heard they fired a few hundred out of thousands they still have left |
| 16:25.14 | Fisker | and most of that was QA translation support reportedly |
| 16:25.26 | Adys | i dont get that |
| 16:25.32 | VIad | I got a tiny freelance job to help make a website for a newly started consulting company, via a friend, so far I am happy about it |
| 16:25.40 | Adys | some people shell in thousands and thousands of pounds, get a completed website and then decide to just give up |
| 16:26.35 | Adys | vlad: which language? |
| 16:26.38 | Zootfizzle | I need to distract myself, I think I'm going to melt some more aluminum |
| 16:26.43 | VIad | used wordpress as base |
| 16:27.02 | VIad | figured it would speed things up a bit, than coding from scratch |
| 16:27.04 | Adys | Zootfizzle: try melting some plastic. The fumes are more distracting |
| 16:27.26 | Zootfizzle | Adys: Pretty sure this glove has polyester, I'm still a little dizzy |
| 16:27.39 | VIad | I must admit it's hard to translate talking into visual design :( |
| 16:27.56 | VIad | it's so hard to "get it right on the spot" when talking about making a webpage design |
| 16:28.26 | Zootfizzle | VIad |
| 16:28.32 | VIad | yes? |
| 16:28.39 | Zootfizzle | There's also the problem of not knowing that what you wanted sucks until after it's been made |
| 16:29.10 | VIad | there are so many ways to make a website, the best are usually the easy to use once too |
| 16:29.19 | Adys | Vlad: i tell all clients i dont do design. which is ok because it's the worst-paid part of the job, and it gives you less room for failing them or being abused with the whole "I want the logo to have more... spazz. And the offers should really stand out more. And get rid of the duck." |
| 16:29.29 | VIad | personally biased as I dislike too fancy sites with too complex navigation :p so it did also affect my work hehe |
| 16:29.54 | VIad | hehe |
| 16:29.56 | VIad | yeah Adys |
| 16:30.05 | VIad | I am not that good of a designer myself |
| 16:30.13 | VIad | I can do it, but I tend to not be so flashy |
| 16:30.24 | VIad | from a marketing POV you probably want fancy :P |
| 16:30.58 | VIad | also just to vent |
| 16:31.04 | Zootfizzle | The best thing you can do for someone is to give them a basic design with a well-written and extensible system so they can expand upon it easily when the need arises |
| 16:31.06 | VIad | why the fuck doesn't css3 work on all browsers? |
| 16:31.19 | VIad | that's why I used wordpress so the next guy probably can work from it :P |
| 16:31.26 | VIad | since wordpress is popular enough |
| 16:31.34 | Adys | doesnt make it not a piece of shit |
| 16:31.36 | VIad | it's a CMS so probably ways to port the content over to others |
| 16:31.38 | VIad | ofc |
| 16:31.45 | VIad | but anything not a piece of shit is custom coded |
| 16:31.47 | VIad | or paid for |
| 16:32.18 | VIad | back to css3, I wish it worked on all browsers :( |
| 16:32.23 | Zootfizzle | I almost got a job at 38 Studios |
| 16:32.24 | Adys | a previous client was a redesign job for a phpbb website which i did mostly as a favour since it was a wow fansite |
| 16:32.29 | Adys | holy fucking shit does phpbb suck |
| 16:32.30 | Zootfizzle | Dodged that bullet nicely |
| 16:32.32 | Adys | or any php cms |
| 16:32.38 | VIad | :P |
| 16:33.01 | Adys | Zootfizzle: when was that? |
| 16:33.14 | VIad | but Adys does it mater when it's the users POV that matters? ;p |
| 16:33.17 | Zootfizzle | August 2010 |
| 16:33.38 | Adys | the user's POV is affected Vlad, just not in ways that immediately show up |
| 16:34.16 | Adys | this ridiculously bloated html, where a single rounded corner takes about 1 kilobyte, shows up on mobile connections for example |
| 16:34.20 | Zootfizzle | I screwed up the interview quite badly by failing to understand how the C++ compiler works |
| 16:34.42 | VIad | shouldn't the mobile site be a separate system? |
| 16:35.15 | Adys | "should" perhaps, but for one it's not, and secondly it's still ridiculously bloated; makes for slower pageload on all connections not just mobile |
| 16:35.25 | Adys | thats just where it's worst |
| 16:35.36 | VIad | I mean if the content is stored, the mobile system reads from the storage and such |
| 16:35.45 | Zootfizzle | I hate large webpages |
| 16:35.51 | Zootfizzle | I want to find whoever wrote them and steal their job |
| 16:35.53 | Zootfizzle | Every time |
| 16:35.56 | VIad | to be honest all I did was make the css tweak the site as the viewport gets smaller |
| 16:36.40 | VIad | so I made it mobile friendly just using css, not bandwidth friendly, but hey, it loads fine on my phone tests :P wasn't a specific feature that was etablished when I was in the meeting |
| 16:37.05 | Adys | Zootfizzle: html will eventually end up going through compiler middleware; at least i would think so |
| 16:37.24 | Adys | won't necessarily fix the more retarded bits |
| 16:37.25 | VIad | I wish html was more standardized |
| 16:37.38 | VIad | I feel it's difficult to make the page appear the same on multiple clients |
| 16:37.49 | Adys | but at least you won't have things like ten thousand newlines before the doctype |
| 16:39.16 | VIad | first get rid of all the -moz- and -ms- -khtml and anything like that, css should have uniform syntax for all browsers |
| 16:39.29 | Adys | view-source:https://www.rottentomatoes.com/ |
| 16:39.30 | Adys | THIS |
| 16:39.31 | Adys | RIGHT HERE |
| 16:39.35 | Adys | good god |
| 16:39.40 | Zootfizzle | Oh I'm scared |
| 16:39.47 | VIad | IT BURNS |
| 16:39.52 | Zootfizzle | I'm about to see something I can never unsee |
| 16:40.04 | VIad | DON'T CLICK ZOOT IT'S A TRAP |
| 16:40.21 | Adys | But hey |
| 16:40.26 | Zootfizzle | Well |
| 16:40.28 | Adys | at least they use CDNs and all |
| 16:40.31 | Adys | so it's OPTIMIZED |
| 16:40.31 | Zootfizzle | At least it's easy to read |
| 16:40.43 | Zootfizzle | ...assuming you have a page down key |
| 16:41.25 | Zootfizzle | How does that even happen? |
| 16:41.37 | Adys | Most likely horrible template language |
| 16:41.41 | Adys | and horrible template code |
| 16:41.52 | Zootfizzle | 15k lines |
| 16:42.37 | Adys | yeah and its 70% newlines |
| 16:42.38 | Zootfizzle | I should try harder to get a job, I have to be smarter than many employed programmers |
| 16:43.03 | Adys | which languages Zootfizzle? |
| 16:43.23 | VIad | you can strip over 20k characters (new lines and useless whitespace) from the source :P |
| 16:43.34 | VIad | 10k* |
| 16:43.48 | Zootfizzle | lua, c, c++, c#, java |
| 16:43.58 | Zootfizzle | I can write php but I suck at it |
| 16:44.07 | Zootfizzle | And I don't want to :P |
| 16:44.49 | VIad | why does microsoft suck at keeping up with the new trends? :P |
| 16:44.52 | Zootfizzle | I was in the process of getting my degree so people would want to hire me and pay me a lot |
| 16:45.04 | VIad | I got IE8 or something and a lot of the css3 doesn't work at all |
| 16:45.05 | Zootfizzle | Then at a certain point I couldn't afford books or food |
| 16:45.13 | Zootfizzle | So I stopped going |
| 16:45.22 | Adys | well you have blizzard on your resume so that gives you a good shot at proper gaming companies tbh, fuck degrees |
| 16:45.45 | Zootfizzle | The degree is more for my self confidence in my programming abilities for anything |
| 16:46.00 | Zootfizzle | s/for anything/than anything/ |
| 16:46.01 | Adys | a degree has a better shot at destroying self-confidence |
| 16:46.16 | Zootfizzle | Why's that? |
| 16:46.47 | Adys | because most CS and related classes tend to suck, be a timesink, and when you do get the degree you find out you wasted your time |
| 16:46.54 | Adys | if you wanna boost self-confidence and don't want to spend a dime, coursera.com |
| 16:46.55 | VIad | I got my degree but feels like I am treated as if I don't got it at interviews :P |
| 16:47.05 | VIad | we don't talk about anything degree related at interviews lol |
| 16:47.09 | Zootfizzle | Well, I agree with all of what you said |
| 16:47.18 | foxlit | maybe you're interviewing for the wrong thing? |
| 16:47.59 | foxlit | I mean, if the goal is to be designing websites, getting a CS degree is probably a wrong choice. |
| 16:48.37 | VIad | ehm |
| 16:48.42 | Adys | i haven't had a single client ask me for a degree, or be put off when I said I was self-taught, whether it's backend or frontend or whatever work |
| 16:48.45 | Adys | and that includes google |
| 16:48.46 | VIad | the mini freelance thing was just a side thing |
| 16:49.00 | VIad | actually looking for some IT job somewhere, internal support of some sort |
| 16:49.27 | VIad | only practical experience I have to show for is hobby stuff |
| 16:49.49 | Zootfizzle | Adys: I have a bad habit of comparing myself to other people and devaluing my work and skillset, I guess. Getting a degree probably wouldn't solve those problems. |
| 16:50.08 | Adys | Zootfizzle: coursera is a much better place, especially if you just want the degree to prove your own skills to yourself and/or improve them |
| 16:50.49 | Adys | and fwiw, every programmer who isn't a cunt has that issue at least for a long while |
| 16:50.59 | Adys | (admittedly, that's a pretty low percentage of programmers :D) |
| 16:51.18 | Zootfizzle | I guess I always have looked up to Slouken |
| 16:51.23 | Zootfizzle | He's sort of my programmer hero |
| 16:51.31 | VIad | I look up to Adys |
| 16:51.48 | Cairenn|afk | growls at Adys |
| 16:51.55 | Zootfizzle | Hey Cairenn |
| 16:51.56 | Adys | Sup Cairenn! |
| 16:52.04 | Cairenn | Hi Zootfizzle :) |
| 16:52.09 | Cairenn | Adys: *growl* |
| 16:52.15 | Adys | Why am I being growled at. |
| 16:52.21 | Arrowmaster | why not? |
| 16:52.23 | Zootfizzle | You used the c word |
| 16:52.26 | Adys | Did I leave my underwear in the sink again |
| 16:52.27 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 16:52.27 | Zootfizzle | Not everyone is british |
| 16:52.40 | Cairenn | What zoot said |
| 16:52.48 | Adys | oh |
| 16:53.07 | Adys | man do we say much worse stuff when Cairenn's not around |
| 16:53.20 | Zootfizzle | ...when is she not around? |
| 16:53.43 | Zootfizzle | The |afk is a trap |
| 16:55.04 | Adys | (don't make a fat joke.. don't make a fat joke... don't make a fa---aah) |
| 16:55.17 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.02 | Cairenn | Adys: I'm not around, I'm more of an hourglass ;) |
| 16:57.00 | Adys | turns Cairenn on her head |
| 16:57.06 | Cairenn | lol |
| 16:57.41 | VIad | Cairenn's sand rushes to her head, making her dizzy... she faints shortly there after. |
| 16:57.48 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 17:00.16 | VIad | Zootfizzle: don't let others get you down :P |
| 17:00.51 | VIad | when work related, interviews and such, they judge you by faar too little information about yourself :P |
| 17:05.47 | Arrowmaster | haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Otla5157c |
| 17:06.04 | Zootfizzle | That's epic |
| 17:06.14 | Adys | wasnt one of their best tbh |
| 17:06.23 | Zootfizzle | I blame Levine |
| 17:07.30 | Zootfizzle | ...I doubt there are many Glee fans here, but has anyone heard what they did to Jonathan Coulton? |
| 17:07.41 | Adys | urgh |
| 17:07.50 | Cairenn | Yes, and it wasn't cool |
| 17:07.59 | End_ | I heard about it in passing, but I have no idea really happened |
| 17:08.03 | Adys | hey Cairenn |
| 17:08.07 | VIad | I read yolo and turned it off |
| 17:08.07 | Adys | can I use the C word about em? |
| 17:08.12 | Cairenn | hi Adys |
| 17:08.16 | End_ | I just keep hearing "did anybody hear about that" over and over :P |
| 17:08.23 | Zootfizzle | They ripped off his cover of Baby Got Back completely |
| 17:08.27 | End_ | ah |
| 17:08.29 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 17:08.36 | Zootfizzle | He wrote an entirely new melody and harmonies for it |
| 17:08.39 | Zootfizzle | They just stole it |
| 17:08.47 | Zootfizzle | Since it was a cover they didn't have to pay him |
| 17:08.49 | Zootfizzle | Or give him any credit |
| 17:09.01 | Adys | Zootfizzle: did you see the links comparing the audio? |
| 17:09.09 | Adys | they prove they reused his karaoke version |
| 17:09.13 | Zootfizzle | Adys: I worked as a karaoke host |
| 17:09.22 | Zootfizzle | It was obvious just by listening to his original recording |
| 17:09.42 | Zootfizzle | The singer even imitates him |
| 17:09.55 | Adys | fwiu if they use the karaoke version itself they are not within their rights |
| 17:10.16 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, they can't sample audio directly |
| 17:10.32 | Zootfizzle | They could have rewritten his arrangement from scratch, but I'm guessing that was a rushed episode |
| 17:10.40 | Zootfizzle | And now Fox is lying to cover their asses |
| 17:11.02 | kd3 | mm. nothing like waffle house for birthday breakfast |
| 17:11.08 | kd3 | wonders when the last time he had wa-ho |
| 17:11.09 | Zootfizzle | Happy Birthday! |
| 17:11.23 | kd3 | thanks! another year down the tubes |
| 17:11.43 | Adys | Well you know what they say about that |
| 17:11.53 | Adys | Another year down the tube, for the next one get the lube. |
| 17:12.14 | Adys | On those immensely wise words I'm off to take a nap. happy birthday. |
| 17:12.21 | Zootfizzle | See ya Adys |
| 17:12.23 | Zootfizzle | Thanks again for the help |
| 17:12.41 | Adys | you're welcome, send me pics if you burn yourself with molten aluminium |
| 17:13.20 | Zootfizzle | If I don't inhale too many plastic fumes to remember how to use a camera, I will |
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| 17:14.15 | VIad | happy 20th birthday kd3 |
| 17:14.22 | kd3 | eh, a bit more than that |
| 17:14.32 | VIad | not in my eyes |
| 17:14.51 | nevcairiel | if you're 10 yourself, everyone seems like 20! |
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| 17:18.22 | VIad | does that mean you've spoken and touched me inappropriately and against the law all this time, nevcairiel? |
| 17:19.12 | nevcairiel | the law of the internet does not cover this |
| 17:19.25 | Arrowmaster | ohh http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B1ULJI0?tag=childsplaycha-20 |
| 17:20.00 | VIad | well played |
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| 17:20.50 | Arrowmaster | apparently i only have $9.02 credit left on my amazon account so i still have to pay $0.97 for this bundle |
| 17:22.04 | foxlit | redeem additional giftcards. |
| 17:22.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont have anymore |
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| 17:23.56 | Arrowmaster | ok seems i already owned ITSP |
| 17:24.42 | Fisker | oh so it's like that kd3 |
| 17:24.51 | kd3 | ? |
| 17:27.27 | Arrowmaster | btw thats a hint if anybody wants to trade me something for insanely twisted shadow planet |
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| 17:30.22 | Zootfizzle | I'll trade you a pair of magneto gloves with fingertips that can operate capacitive touchscreens |
| 17:30.25 | VIad | what does it mean when you look at a IT job (IKT) ant they say they wish you are familiar with ITIL-process |
| 17:30.27 | Zootfizzle | You'll have to wait a week |
| 17:33.05 | nevcairiel | It means what i says. If you don't know ITIL processes, you don't fullfill that criteria =p |
| 17:33.20 | nevcairiel | Even more so if you have to ask what it is |
| 17:34.04 | nevcairiel | go educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Technology_Infrastructure_Library :D |
| 17:34.15 | VIad | why is it needed when IKT jobs are like the lowest place you can start, it's basically desk support... |
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| 17:34.36 | nevcairiel | such processes only work if everyone does them |
| 17:34.39 | VIad | I feel the job position needs a raise if you are supposed to know all that in advance :P |
| 17:34.47 | Fisker | starts to blow up |
| 17:35.10 | nevcairiel | i dont think they want you to be certified in the processes, just know the rough workings, because thats how you'll be working |
| 17:35.12 | VIad | I might not know ITIL but I sure can learn on the go |
| 17:35.25 | Arrowmaster | ive never heard of ITIL before either |
| 17:35.54 | VIad | it's not about only knowing stuff, it's about being willing to learn new things :P |
| 17:36.21 | VIad | ITIL feels like details to me |
| 17:36.34 | Zootfizzle | In my experience, a lot of job requirements are either put on postings by HR because they don't know how to evaluate people, or they're listed to scare potential applicants away |
| 17:36.36 | nevcairiel | companys dont usually want people they can build up, they want people to do work :p |
| 17:36.52 | nevcairiel | especially in those desk support positions |
| 17:37.03 | VIad | if that was stricly how things work then no one would get a job anywhere |
| 17:37.09 | VIad | because "lack of experience" :P |
| 17:37.17 | Zootfizzle | Well |
| 17:37.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah good long term employees is no longer what companies want |
| 17:37.37 | Zootfizzle | Here in the US, the new thing is you're supposed to work somewhere for a pittance or for free as an intern and look all doe-eyed while you do it |
| 17:37.59 | Zootfizzle | If you sucessfully manage to be a compliant peon, you gain the skills you need to get a job somewhere else |
| 17:38.05 | Arrowmaster | they want new hires they dont have to train, and they can replace with new hires before they get any seniority to want a pay increase |
| 17:38.22 | VIad | doesn't seem like a place I wanna work :P |
| 17:38.31 | kd3 | welcome to the new economy |
| 17:38.49 | VIad | I wanna have my place and fit in the puzzle and feel that I am doing my share to help the overall process happen |
| 17:38.56 | VIad | I don't wanna be a replacable part |
| 17:38.58 | Arrowmaster | this is why low level jobs are done almost exclusively through temp agencies now |
| 17:39.01 | Zootfizzle | The new economy makes me want to start a colony of mole people in northern idaho |
| 17:39.09 | nevcairiel | anyhow, if a company invested in establishing a standardized process, they will at least ask their new hires if they know it, if its a final criteria depends on the company :p |
| 17:39.10 | Arrowmaster | you can fire a temp for any reason |
| 17:39.34 | VIad | in norway as temp you have a limited contract and they can just say no to you when it expires after half year |
| 17:39.41 | Zootfizzle | Lalala |
| 17:39.43 | VIad | so they can indirectly "fire" you like this :P |
| 17:39.46 | Zootfizzle | Ignoring conversation |
| 17:39.47 | Zootfizzle | Lalala |
| 17:39.49 | VIad | lol zoot |
| 17:40.20 | Arrowmaster | in the US a company can tell the temp agency they dont want a person anymore and the next day the person no longer shows up |
| 17:40.41 | Arrowmaster | and nolonger gets paid |
| 17:40.47 | Zootfizzle | It also gives the company the benefit of letting its actual employees run around with superiority complexes |
| 17:41.07 | Zootfizzle | "I'm better than you because you just work for Volt" |
| 17:41.17 | Zootfizzle | At the same time, the actual employees fear for their jobs |
| 17:41.24 | Zootfizzle | It's wonderful |
| 17:42.14 | Zootfizzle | LALALA |
| 17:42.20 | Zootfizzle | I'll be back |
| 17:42.28 | Zootfizzle | Obviously not a safe channel for me right now |
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| 17:42.35 | VIad | yeah |
| 17:42.41 | VIad | poor Zoot looking for job, like me |
| 17:42.50 | VIad | not fun to be reminded how fucked you are when on the bottom of the foodchain |
| 17:43.01 | Arrowmaster | thought he had his own company |
| 17:43.09 | VIad | what's up with the job creators wanting less taxes to create more jobs? |
| 17:43.16 | VIad | :P |
| 17:43.37 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: don't think so |
| 17:43.45 | VIad | he doesn't |
| 17:43.50 | Arrowmaster | he said something about a computer repair business |
| 17:44.45 | Cairenn | Oh, maybe then. I'm not sure either way. |
| 17:45.09 | VIad | I think a company should have a revenue-vs-job-places ratio thing so big and profiting companies hire more people or something, otherwise I don't see how a country can grow if you purposefully avoid hiring people for decent wages |
| 17:45.37 | VIad | it's a team effort, you don't get rich without people, and you should do something worth enough after you get rich (own a company in this case :P) |
| 17:46.26 | VIad | if Joe looses his job because they were doing cuts to get more profits, how can Joe buy the same companies product for the high price they wish to sell it when Joe has no income to allow him the luxury? :P |
| 17:46.46 | VIad | so you fire Joe, save money, people buy your stuff for less as Joe has no high income, it's a vicious circle |
| 17:47.02 | Arrowmaster | you seem to have missed the trend where companies only care about next quarter profits now |
| 17:47.19 | VIad | more like suppressed it :( |
| 17:47.34 | foxlit | I didn't realize I was in #politicsandwhining |
| 17:47.41 | VIad | I don't want it to be like it, because it's a downhill for everyone, just less noticable when the rich guys on top and investors have a big balance on their bank accounts |
| 17:48.00 | Arrowmaster | this is why roman government was better |
| 17:48.15 | bluspacecow | *gasp* A Cairenn appears. /flying-pounce-snuggle-hug-nookie-attack |
| 17:48.16 | Arrowmaster | when the government runs out of money just go kill a rich guy and take all his money |
| 17:48.28 | Cairenn | oofs and hugs bluspacecow back |
| 17:48.40 | VIad | :p |
| 17:48.53 | Arrowmaster | ok im off to try and find something else to do |
| 17:49.07 | VIad | making tea in hope that the warmth will make my nose open up |
| 17:49.14 | VIad | hate colds, one nostril allways blocked |
| 17:49.19 | bluspacecow | or someone if you're so inclined arrow |
| 17:49.42 | VIad | lol girls are not real, just a fantasy we nerds have of something abstract |
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| 17:50.15 | VIad | I feel like crap |
| 17:50.27 | VIad | said no to working extra on Friday, was getting sick |
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| 17:50.35 | VIad | I just hope it's over for tomorrow otherwise... |
| 17:51.09 | VIad | I can go to work and say "fuck you I am getting paid and you are getting what ever disease I got as well, sucker!" |
| 17:52.42 | bluspacecow | but you could make people there sick |
| 17:52.47 | bluspacecow | meaning they take days off |
| 17:52.47 | VIad | yeah |
| 17:52.51 | bluspacecow | ie loss of business |
| 17:52.59 | bluspacecow | ie a liability to the company if you turn up |
| 17:53.00 | VIad | but if I want a day off I use my limited days off |
| 17:53.05 | bluspacecow | instant death! |
| 17:53.15 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 17:53.20 | VIad | or I must go to the doctor office and spend like 2 hours total and pay for the official "day off" greenpass |
| 17:53.32 | VIad | must suck if you work with people and get sick |
| 17:53.36 | VIad | like I do :P |
| 17:54.35 | VIad | worst ever was to be sick on the interview |
| 17:55.10 | bluspacecow | how bad ? |
| 17:56.55 | VIad | like just before you are bedridden or just after the worst part |
| 17:57.04 | VIad | when you still get weak from focusing too much at once |
| 17:57.12 | VIad | at interviews I am a nervewreck :P |
| 17:57.43 | VIad | knowing I don't got too much to brag about except hobby and how I am as a person, but don't think many trust you enough if you are just honest, they want people to be a bit ass-licky |
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| 18:02.28 | VIad | it's 19 here but I feel like it's soon midnight |
| 18:04.19 | VIad | Cairenn |
| 18:04.24 | VIad | did you like twilight? :3 |
| 18:04.50 | Cairenn | VIad: The time of day? Yeah, it tends to be very pretty. The show? Never watched it. |
| 18:05.04 | VIad | I mean the twilight movies about vampires |
| 18:05.14 | Cairenn | Then (b) |
| 18:05.23 | VIad | what about the books? |
| 18:05.27 | Gnarfoz | they're even worse |
| 18:05.28 | Cairenn | (b) |
| 18:05.49 | Cairenn | I'm not into the whole sparkly vampire thing, and I'm not a tween girl |
| 18:05.57 | VIad | what is "tween"? |
| 18:06.10 | Arrowmaster | preteeen |
| 18:06.10 | kd3 | 10-12 year-olds |
| 18:06.15 | Cairenn | pre-teen - like ... yeah |
| 18:06.37 | kd3 | ugh. blizz >.< |
| 18:06.41 | kd3 | quest called "Pterrible Ptorment" |
| 18:06.44 | Cairenn | (and actually young teen as well) |
| 18:06.58 | Cairenn | tweens are like 10-14 |
| 18:09.41 | Dagmar | All you need to know is that anything worth doing to them is illegal |
| 18:09.47 | VIad | lol |
| 18:10.00 | VIad | looking Is still legal |
| 18:10.15 | Dagmar | Not since stalking was made a crime |
| 18:10.18 | Gnarfoz | I don't think you understood what he meant |
| 18:10.44 | Dagmar | No, I understood. |
| 18:10.48 | Gnarfoz | not you |
| 18:10.55 | Dagmar | ...unless there's a state I need to move to where it's legal to set them on fire. |
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| 18:11.50 | Zootfizzle | It's hard to take Anonymous seriously when they use clips featuring Matthew Broderick in their videos. |
| 18:11.55 | kd3 | I'd hand you some strong alcohol if I knew your particular poison |
| 18:14.42 | kd3 | mmm... scotch |
| 18:26.15 | VIad | Zootfizzle wb - you got dota2? |
| 18:27.32 | Zootfizzle | Have it but I've never played it |
| 18:27.40 | VIad | want to? ;) |
| 18:27.51 | Zootfizzle | Not really, but thanks for asking :) |
| 18:28.19 | Zootfizzle | I spent about a year trying to play League of Legends well |
| 18:28.31 | VIad | how did that go? I liked HoN more myself |
| 18:28.53 | Zootfizzle | It was a great way to kill time |
| 18:29.09 | VIad | yeah, damn games last so long |
| 18:31.55 | VIad | my plan failed, eating hot soup usually opens my nose up, but this time nope :( |
| 18:32.32 | Zootfizzle | Make hot tea with lemon and mint and concentrate on smelling it |
| 18:35.40 | Cairenn | onions in vinegar with pepper |
| 18:35.59 | Thunder_Child | Zootfizzle: go play ARAM |
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| 18:36.33 | VIad | I got "otrivin" some nose spray thing |
| 18:36.35 | VIad | but it doesn't work :S |
| 18:36.51 | VIad | the girl at the pharmasy said it's standard stuff for colds |
| 18:37.19 | Zootfizzle | Thunder_Child: I like having my life back, no more LoL for me |
| 18:38.16 | Zootfizzle | Although ARAM was a lot of fun |
| 18:39.07 | Zootfizzle | I should stop messing around with these gloves and do something useful today, I guess. |
| 18:40.34 | VIad | I hate playing dota with bots |
| 18:40.42 | VIad | they ignore my commands quite often :( |
| 18:44.39 | VIad | I have to stop being heroes that work better with teamwork :P |
| 18:44.51 | VIad | should always roll ganker lol |
| 18:45.27 | Zootfizzle | That's what most people do in LoL when they're trying to improve their rating |
| 18:45.39 | VIad | but I am playing me and 9 bots |
| 18:45.42 | VIad | just for "fun" |
| 18:45.44 | Zootfizzle | Assume your teammates will be dumb |
| 18:45.46 | Zootfizzle | Then win |
| 18:45.48 | VIad | but ends up me just getting angry at the bots :P |
| 18:45.50 | smcn | is the achievement "One Many Army" a typo or is there some reference or wordplay i'm not getting? |
| 18:46.06 | VIad | maybe army as in "arm" ? |
| 18:46.25 | VIad | wow and reference to stuff is batshit insane by now |
| 18:46.34 | VIad | everything is some sort of tribute to something |
| 18:46.35 | smcn | it's for defeating all the major golden lotus daily "bosses" |
| 18:46.44 | VIad | *shrug* |
| 18:46.59 | VIad | wouldn't be surprised if it's another reference, easier than making original names :P |
| 18:47.36 | VIad | rolling BANE :D |
| 18:47.42 | VIad | I like the guy, so demonic |
| 18:48.37 | VIad | demonic bambie |
| 18:51.48 | Fisker | attacks Zootfizzle |
| 18:51.57 | Zootfizzle | ~whaleparry Fisker |
| 18:51.57 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Fisker's attacks. |
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| 18:52.02 | Fisker | :( |
| 18:52.15 | Fisker | i didn't kill my wife |
| 18:52.28 | Zootfizzle | I hear that's a major accomplishment |
| 18:52.29 | VIad | why not Fisker? |
| 18:54.59 | Fisker | so haste |
| 18:55.05 | Fisker | people are saying we should be happy with silver |
| 19:01.04 | Shirik | Does anyone understand the USPS? Question: Why can't I get insurance on certified mail? |
| 19:01.23 | Zootfizzle | I can't tell if I actually put significant amounts of aluminum on this thing or just melted the plastic part of the fabric to the degree that my electrical field penetrates the glove. |
| 19:03.43 | VIad | what are you making, Zootfizzle? |
| 19:03.50 | VIad | a bomb? |
| 19:04.47 | Zootfizzle | I'm sure I just got put on a terrorist watch list somewhere |
| 19:04.48 | Zootfizzle | No. |
| 19:04.48 | VIad | I just said it so FBI flags this message and looks into what you are doing, Zootfizzle:P |
| 19:04.55 | VIad | haha |
| 19:05.31 | Zootfizzle | I had to spend an extra 45 minutes at the airport every time I flew because somebody else with just my name was on one of those damn lists |
| 19:06.18 | Zootfizzle | It took like seven or eight years for them to take birthdate into consideration |
| 19:06.47 | Fisker | they don't care how old you are |
| 19:06.51 | Fisker | a terrorist is a terrorist |
| 19:06.58 | Fisker | one thing i don't get though |
| 19:07.03 | Fisker | how does TNT get past customs? |
| 19:07.11 | Shirik | Zootfizzle: USually in those cases you should get a redress number |
| 19:07.38 | VIad | can you sue for compensation if you get suspected too often? |
| 19:07.40 | Shirik | You can file for a redress number if you keep getting identified as one of those people and that will clear up the problem |
| 19:08.37 | Zootfizzle | I stopped worrying about that sort of thing a while ago |
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| 19:09.10 | Zootfizzle | Thanks for the info though |
| 19:09.13 | Fisker | now you get free cavaty searches? |
| 19:09.26 | VIad | does that come with a massage? |
| 19:09.40 | Zootfizzle | Oh |
| 19:09.47 | Zootfizzle | I just remembered the other reason I want a degree |
| 19:09.56 | Zootfizzle | Most countries won't let you immigrate without one |
| 19:10.13 | Zootfizzle | :P |
| 19:10.20 | Fisker | move to denmark |
| 19:10.44 | VIad | my bot team is useless they can't CC for shit |
| 19:10.48 | VIad | :( |
| 19:11.00 | VIad | btw does Canada require a degree? |
| 19:11.42 | Humbedooh | who'd wanna move to Canada anyway ;) |
| 19:11.48 | Cairenn | >< |
| 19:11.58 | Humbedooh | I kid, I kid :) |
| 19:12.06 | VIad | people who don't wanna be legally criminal? :P |
| 19:12.10 | VIad | like lawyers |
| 19:12.14 | VIad | or bankers |
| 19:12.26 | VIad | or anyone exploiting the government loopholes for profit |
| 19:12.52 | Humbedooh | so...anyone Ferengi |
| 19:13.01 | Zootfizzle | Apparently we all are |
| 19:13.05 | Zootfizzle | I get to be Nog though |
| 19:13.11 | Humbedooh | :< |
| 19:14.00 | VIad | not your fault for being born in a system designed like this :( |
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| 19:14.33 | Fisker | I'd rather be romulan than ferengi |
| 19:15.12 | VIad | lol |
| 19:15.13 | Fisker | each time i see an episode with ferengi in it i use a highpowered magnet on my harddrive |
| 19:15.29 | Fisker | not that i download stuff on illegally |
| 19:15.38 | Fisker | s/on// |
| 19:16.43 | Zootfizzle | Fisker: Denmark's immigration restrictions are horrible |
| 19:17.06 | Fisker | like that matters |
| 19:17.24 | jnwhiteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.38 | Fisker | can't be done jnwhiteh |
| 19:17.46 | jnwhiteh | despite my issues with the horizon on this trip, the lens really worked out quite well for me |
| 19:17.50 | Fisker | so we hate foreigners a bit Zootfizzle |
| 19:17.51 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: it can for my friends =) |
| 19:17.52 | Fisker | big whoop |
| 19:17.56 | Fisker | ;( |
| 19:17.59 | VIad | Zootfizzle: like what, you need to learn danish? :( |
| 19:18.00 | Fisker | i thought we were friends |
| 19:18.08 | Fisker | yes VIad |
| 19:18.09 | VIad | or perhaps the discrimination? :( |
| 19:18.12 | Fisker | and eat flæskesteg |
| 19:18.13 | VIad | yeah |
| 19:18.17 | VIad | and kartofel |
| 19:18.26 | Zootfizzle | You need to learn danish, you need to have a pretty advanced degree, you need to have worked for several years out of the last five |
| 19:18.27 | VIad | kartoffel |
| 19:18.27 | Fisker | and persillesovs |
| 19:18.32 | Zootfizzle | in a highly desired field |
| 19:18.39 | Zootfizzle | Just to be considered |
| 19:18.49 | VIad | should just say "requires you to be nevcairiel" |
| 19:18.57 | Zootfizzle | It's easier to get a green card in the US |
| 19:19.04 | Zootfizzle | And that's saying a lot |
| 19:19.10 | Fisker | and you need to pass a test regarding knowledge of danish culture even danish people can't pass |
| 19:19.43 | Humbedooh | Fisker: pfft |
| 19:19.49 | Humbedooh | I've passed it like...a million times |
| 19:20.00 | Fisker | kamalåso? |
| 19:20.06 | VIad | I know how it is |
| 19:20.14 | Humbedooh | you just bought 1000 liters of milk there |
| 19:20.38 | Zootfizzle | tries to stop hating his life |
| 19:20.59 | Zootfizzle | At least I can make neat gloves by leveraging chinese slave labor |
| 19:21.03 | Zootfizzle | No, that didn't work. |
| 19:21.06 | Zootfizzle | Uh.. |
| 19:21.09 | Humbedooh | gnomish gloves? |
| 19:21.16 | Humbedooh | with thingermagizmos? |
| 19:21.41 | Fisker | you could always do like the guy who hired a chinese company to do his work |
| 19:21.52 | Fisker | infact i wouldn't be surprised a few key blizzard employees did that already |
| 19:21.53 | Zootfizzle | Steve Jobs? |
| 19:21.58 | Fisker | Ghostcrawler probably does |
| 19:22.06 | Fisker | "You no automate glyphing" |
| 19:22.06 | Zootfizzle | Ghostcrawler is one of the nicest people in the world |
| 19:22.11 | Fisker | maybe |
| 19:22.29 | VIad | what about Dennis Ritchie? :( |
| 19:22.41 | VIad | steve jobs this, jobs that, but what about poor dennis? :< |
| 19:22.53 | VIad | poor guy got no movie made about him |
| 19:22.55 | Fisker | i hate steve jobs |
| 19:22.59 | Fisker | steve jobs worst person eu |
| 19:23.46 | Zootfizzle | I care more about Alan Turing |
| 19:24.58 | VIad | I learned about turing machines and made them too |
| 19:25.00 | VIad | in uni |
| 19:25.11 | VIad | not sure how I can use that knowledge tough but I know about it :P |
| 19:25.28 | Zootfizzle | Did you learn about how his country ruined him despite his genius because he was gay? |
| 19:26.04 | jnwhiteh | probably not |
| 19:26.12 | jnwhiteh | they don't teach that alongside everything else. |
| 19:26.25 | VIad | teach us? |
| 19:26.42 | Zootfizzle | It's agitprop |
| 19:26.44 | VIad | that's school, university is "you must know about this <list> go home and study" |
| 19:26.46 | Zootfizzle | Not double plus good |
| 19:26.59 | Zootfizzle | Why teach it? |
| 19:27.18 | Elkano | well, you also hardly hear about Tesla :/ |
| 19:27.40 | jnwhiteh | Zootfizzle: they were talking about Turing on his birthday this year at an LGBT event. It was a bit awkward when he kept talking about the type of men he was into, and then showed a picture of him naked. |
| 19:27.50 | Fisker | nice |
| 19:28.21 | Zootfizzle | jnwhiteh: ._. |
| 19:28.36 | jnwhiteh | he spoke about other things, but definitely included that =) |
| 19:29.01 | Zootfizzle | Awkward for whom? |
| 19:29.02 | Zootfizzle | Everyone? |
| 19:29.08 | jnwhiteh | a bit, yeah =) |
| 19:29.26 | Zootfizzle | I would rather loudly address an ambassador as HE |
| 19:29.52 | Zootfizzle | ...who took pictures of Turing naked? |
| 19:30.07 | jnwhiteh | he was at a fishing hole, or something liek that, on holiday |
| 19:30.22 | Zootfizzle | That's european for vacation |
| 19:30.41 | jnwhiteh | true! |
| 19:30.44 | jnwhiteh | sorry, i speak that now |
| 19:30.53 | Zootfizzle | It's okay, I'm just jealous |
| 19:31.18 | VIad | not to sound anti-gay but is fishing hole slang for something? |
| 19:31.27 | VIad | since you said earlier he was homosexual and that's totally fine |
| 19:31.46 | VIad | just tabbing between game and saw talk about naked and stuff |
| 19:32.10 | jnwhiteh | VIad: no, it's not. |
| 19:32.17 | Zootfizzle | I don't think fishing hole will ever be gay slang, since half the point is trying not to catch something |
| 19:32.33 | jnwhiteh | hahaha |
| 19:32.34 | jnwhiteh | i loled |
| 19:33.18 | Humbedooh | hurr hurr |
| 19:33.37 | Humbedooh | lures jnwhiteh to his fishing hole... |
| 19:33.40 | Humbedooh | wink wink, nudge nudge |
| 19:33.55 | jnwhiteh | do I have to go to Denmark? |
| 19:34.02 | Humbedooh | mebbe |
| 19:34.06 | jnwhiteh | that's not fair |
| 19:34.07 | Semlar | adys: pong |
| 19:34.13 | jnwhiteh | I really enjoy Copenhagen |
| 19:34.26 | jnwhiteh | but I'm glad that I moved here |
| 19:34.41 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:34.46 | Fisker | whats wrong with denmark? |
| 19:35.06 | jnwhiteh | immigration process, or lack thereof |
| 19:35.07 | jnwhiteh | for one |
| 19:35.14 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 19:35.21 | Zootfizzle | Uh |
| 19:35.22 | Zootfizzle | Zwarte Piet |
| 19:35.26 | jnwhiteh | but I can always move there once I have a Swedish passport |
| 19:35.26 | Zootfizzle | for two |
| 19:35.32 | jnwhiteh | so problem bypassed :P |
| 19:37.52 | VIad | isn't norway easier? |
| 19:37.59 | VIad | you can work here as long you got a job |
| 19:38.21 | Humbedooh | work != passport |
| 19:38.33 | jnwhiteh | you can't have dual citizenship in DK or No |
| 19:38.35 | VIad | no but once you work getting passport is a mater of time |
| 19:38.38 | jnwhiteh | so that's not gonna happen |
| 19:38.49 | VIad | sure it can |
| 19:38.51 | Fisker | why do you need a passport jnwhiteh ? |
| 19:39.02 | jnwhiteh | permanent residence would be okay |
| 19:39.07 | jnwhiteh | citizenship is better |
| 19:39.15 | Zootfizzle | So he can say he's a citizen of the EU and then the insanely restrictive immigration laws don't apply to him |
| 19:39.31 | Zootfizzle | Because of Europe |
| 19:39.33 | Zootfizzle | or something |
| 19:39.44 | jnwhiteh | plus, I like it here |
| 19:39.47 | jnwhiteh | a lot =) |
| 19:39.49 | Zootfizzle | I bet Greece would take me |
| 19:39.52 | Fisker | oh i thought he meant just travelling |
| 19:40.00 | VIad | yes if you are in EU it's easier to get into Norway or other countries in Europe |
| 19:40.06 | Fisker | which is dumb since he wrote move |
| 19:40.16 | jnwhiteh | plus its a nordic passport |
| 19:40.22 | jnwhiteh | so I get iceland and norway for free :P |
| 19:40.24 | VIad | can move to like, Bulgaria first, get a bulgarian passport, they need people :P |
| 19:40.29 | VIad | then you later move to Scandinavia lol |
| 19:40.43 | jnwhiteh | it'd still be 3-4 years |
| 19:40.46 | jnwhiteh | and I live in Stockholm |
| 19:40.49 | jnwhiteh | and I'm very happy here |
| 19:40.51 | jnwhiteh | so problem solved =) |
| 19:40.54 | VIad | you live in stockholm? |
| 19:40.58 | VIad | can you speak swedish? |
| 19:41.09 | Zootfizzle | tries very hard not to hate jnwhiteh |
| 19:41.29 | VIad | jnwhiteh: you don't know sebastian and tobbe? |
| 19:41.31 | VIad | :P |
| 19:41.35 | Zootfizzle | is happy that his friends are fortunate |
| 19:41.39 | Zootfizzle | is happy that his friends are fortunate |
| 19:41.44 | VIad | Zootfizzle: you worked at blizzard |
| 19:41.47 | VIad | we envy you :P |
| 19:41.59 | Zootfizzle | I found out my wings were made of wax |
| 19:42.00 | jnwhiteh | that seems rather short-sighted |
| 19:42.04 | jnwhiteh | what if he didn't enjoy his time there? |
| 19:42.07 | VIad | :( |
| 19:42.11 | VIad | grass is always greener |
| 19:42.16 | jnwhiteh | hehe, indeed =) |
| 19:42.17 | VIad | his feelings don't apply like that |
| 19:42.22 | Zootfizzle | The grass is green where you water it |
| 19:42.23 | VIad | :P |
| 19:42.28 | Fisker | blizzard employees don't have feelings |
| 19:42.35 | jnwhiteh | Zootfizzle: we have orchids |
| 19:42.35 | VIad | only macros |
| 19:42.38 | Fisker | which is why we can tell them to go kill themselves for creating diablo 3 |
| 19:42.38 | jnwhiteh | we dont water them |
| 19:42.38 | VIad | and surveillance |
| 19:42.40 | jnwhiteh | they refuse to die |
| 19:42.59 | Shirik | TIL UPS is more expensive than registered mail at the same value. What? |
| 19:43.32 | Stanzilla | so glad that Shirik always chimes in on the good conversations |
| 19:43.48 | Shirik | I actually just have the entire channel on ignore |
| 19:43.54 | Shirik | so it gets lonely unless I say random statements |
| 19:45.00 | Stanzilla | so how did you read what I said? |
| 19:46.00 | Shirik | I get lucky sometimes in guessing |
| 19:46.06 | Zootfizzle | The way I went about working at Blizzard, it was two years of working for minimum wage and living in a closet so that later someone could crush my hopes and dreams, all made possible by my love of their video games |
| 19:46.08 | Shirik | I'm really good at reading minds |
| 19:46.12 | Shirik | 2000 miles away |
| 19:46.14 | Zootfizzle | So yeah, not quite the same as living in Stockholm |
| 19:46.16 | Zootfizzle | But close |
| 19:47.15 | Zootfizzle | The first check I ever wrote was to buy StarCraft |
| 19:47.20 | Zootfizzle | That's a fond memory |
| 19:47.28 | Fisker | i never wrote a check :( |
| 19:47.31 | Shirik | you wrote a check for starcraft? |
| 19:47.51 | Zootfizzle | My credit union didn't have debit cards at the time |
| 19:48.16 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:48.26 | Shirik | wait starcraft 1? |
| 19:48.40 | Fisker | i bought starcraft 1 using physical moneys |
| 19:48.41 | Zootfizzle | I believe it's just called StarCraft |
| 19:48.51 | Shirik | touche |
| 19:48.53 | Fisker | I also remember when buying Warcraft 3 |
| 19:48.55 | Fisker | i was über scammer |
| 19:48.57 | Shirik | but I guess checks were a little more common then |
| 19:49.11 | Fisker | basically I took the game right from the counter |
| 19:49.16 | Fisker | but it was a gift from my mom |
| 19:49.21 | Shirik | nowadays you can give a check to some 16 year old running the POS terminal and they look back at you like "what the fuck is this" |
| 19:49.22 | Fisker | the clerk thought she hadn't gotten the copy |
| 19:49.28 | Fisker | so she gave me the copy when we got home |
| 19:49.29 | Fisker | D: |
| 19:49.33 | Fisker | but i already had it |
| 19:49.50 | Shirik | true story: I gave a gold dollar coin to a toll booth operator once and they stared back at me as if they didn't believe it was real |
| 19:50.16 | Zootfizzle | And you reply: it's a piece of paper with numbers your register scans, automatically deducting money from my account as if it were a credit or debit transaction, but with the added bonus of up to $70 in fees and criminal prosecution because of the way the banks set things up |
| 19:50.22 | Fisker | it would suck if that one trillion dollar mint got lost the same way Shirik |
| 19:50.30 | Shirik | unless I found it |
| 19:50.41 | Fisker | you don't work the tollbooth |
| 19:51.05 | tharper | lol mikma "norsu" |
| 19:51.12 | tharper | "Originally synonym of mursu ("walrus") [1], which is a loan from Northern Sami morša ("walrus"). Centuries ago, elephant was known in Finland only from stories for being a big, thick-skinned animal with handsome tusks, hence the initial confusion. The meanings differentiated around 18th century." |
| 19:52.03 | Humbedooh | don't you go dissing Finnish again! |
| 19:53.00 | Humbedooh | goes for a jäätelötötterön |
| 19:53.10 | Humbedooh | try to pronounce _that_, hah! |
| 19:53.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: Those gold coins are too awesome to be believed at first |
| 19:53.41 | Dagmar | The first onse I saw in person I got back in change from a Caltrain ticket machine |
| 19:53.50 | Dagmar | s/onse/ones/; |
| 19:54.08 | Dagmar | I kinda flipped out. "GOOOOOOLD!" |
| 19:54.20 | Semlar | jackpot |
| 19:54.53 | Dagmar | It definitely make a distinct sound when those coins were landing in the tray |
| 19:55.05 | Dagmar | It wasn't the normal sound of quarters from a change machine |
| 19:55.22 | Semlar | DINGDINGDINGDINGDING |
| 19:55.24 | Dagmar | It was a bright sunny day and I looked down and see *SHINY* |
| 19:56.56 | cogwheel | Cairenn|afk: http://i.minus.com/ipcfdyRde5WcI.gif |
| 19:58.02 | Shirik | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/01/27/0622220/microsoft-blames-pc-makers-for-windows-failure |
| 19:58.27 | cogwheel | that headline makes me -_- |
| 19:58.29 | Shirik | cogwheel: is that canada? |
| 19:58.34 | Shirik | Also what were you saying earlier to me? |
| 19:58.34 | cogwheel | dunno... |
| 19:58.37 | Shirik | I got a ping but it didn't make sense |
| 19:58.53 | cogwheel | just commiserating over bad C++ |
| 19:58.59 | cogwheel | (did you see the subsequent conversation?) |
| 19:59.15 | Shirik | probably not |
| 19:59.17 | Shirik | maybe I should have :P |
| 19:59.19 | cogwheel | sec |
| 19:59.20 | Shirik | OH |
| 19:59.22 | Shirik | no I remember this now |
| 19:59.27 | Shirik | something about std::string pointer |
| 19:59.49 | cogwheel | basically it's a C++ class (designed in 2010, no less) that only has a char* interface |
| 20:00.04 | cogwheel | but it uses std::string as its internal representation |
| 20:00.04 | cogwheel | and it doesn't just use std::string, |
| 20:00.08 | cogwheel | it dynamically allocates std::string objects |
| 20:00.27 | cogwheel | and vectors |
| 20:00.37 | cogwheel | (elsewhere in the code) |
| 20:00.40 | Shirik | yeah it was pretty awesome |
| 20:00.44 | Zootfizzle | Shirik: LOL @ Microsoft and Windows 8 |
| 20:01.06 | Zootfizzle | I wonder who they blamed Windows ME on |
| 20:01.26 | Shirik | I was going to get a Surface actually |
| 20:01.29 | Shirik | but then I got an iPad for christmas |
| 20:01.55 | Shirik | now I"m semi-sad because I can't easily develop apps for it |
| 20:02.01 | Shirik | I might actually have to buy a mac of some sort |
| 20:02.06 | Zootfizzle | Hackintosh |
| 20:02.10 | VIad | fuck you bots |
| 20:02.10 | Zootfizzle | All the way |
| 20:02.45 | VIad | how do you afford a mac, Zootfizzle? :P |
| 20:02.56 | Arrowmaster | sell the ipad and get a nexus10 |
| 20:02.56 | Zootfizzle | I can't... |
| 20:03.06 | Shirik | I have an iphone too |
| 20:03.13 | Zootfizzle | I had to build a custom hardware abstraction layer for my PC so it could run Mac OS |
| 20:03.17 | Shirik | so unless I replace both it seems not useflu |
| 20:03.17 | VIad | cheapest stationary is like 1800$ |
| 20:05.05 | VIad | doesn't america stand for freedom? the osx strickly speaking limits you in so many ways :3 |
| 20:05.21 | Zootfizzle | Yes |
| 20:05.34 | Zootfizzle | Yay freedom |
| 20:05.37 | Zootfizzle | Yay America |
| 20:05.37 | VIad | :P |
| 20:05.43 | Zootfizzle | I am not building a bomb |
| 20:05.43 | Shirik | freedom belongs to the people that own the freedom |
| 20:05.55 | Zootfizzle | waves a tiny flag |
| 20:06.01 | VIad | microsoft is freedom, you can wreck your PC if you use it the wrong way, and people prefer Mac for childproof limitations :3 |
| 20:06.14 | Shirik | microsoft is freedom, you can wreck your PC any way you choose |
| 20:06.43 | Arrowmaster | microsoft is freedom, everybody can wreck your PC |
| 20:06.47 | Zootfizzle | If your definition of freedom is horribly designed user interface that results in unintentional mistakes leading to horrible dooms, then yes, Windows is like America and they're both wonderful freedom |
| 20:06.56 | VIad | :D |
| 20:07.10 | Maldivia | freedom is slavery |
| 20:07.40 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.49 | VIad | freedom is something people abuse for the sake of their arguments |
| 20:07.56 | VIad | especially politicians :P |
| 20:08.21 | Zootfizzle | Freedom would be the ability to travel to Denmark |
| 20:08.28 | VIad | when freedom and communism get mentioned in the same speech I frown |
| 20:08.30 | Zootfizzle | But nooooo |
| 20:08.42 | Zootfizzle | You have to have a bunch of papers you scummy American |
| 20:08.45 | VIad | yeah |
| 20:10.29 | VIad | freedom has it's limitations otherwise it would be chaos |
| 20:10.59 | VIad | the question is, how much limitations, and the subject at hand |
| 20:11.09 | Shirik | like the freedom to use an apostrophe in an inappropriate location |
| 20:12.24 | Zootfizzle | He wrote "how much limitations" and you're being a grammar nazi over the apostrophe? :P |
| 20:12.50 | VIad | lol |
| 20:12.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:12.52 | VIad | I am sick atm |
| 20:12.57 | VIad | and I am playing dota2 :P |
| 20:13.05 | Shirik | you should be playing LoL instead |
| 20:13.21 | Maldivia | what about PoE? |
| 20:13.36 | VIad | judging others like that is how fools behave |
| 20:13.51 | nevcairiel | what does power over ethernet have to do with this? |
| 20:13.58 | xyphoid | woo PoE |
| 20:14.36 | mikma | tharper: norsu? |
| 20:14.41 | tharper | yeah |
| 20:15.03 | mikma | tharper: mmkay, why? |
| 20:15.14 | tharper | i posted thee tymology below |
| 20:15.19 | tharper | it was from a sami word for walrus |
| 20:15.25 | tharper | cuz finns didn't know what elephants were |
| 20:15.29 | tharper | other than big with tusks |
| 20:15.30 | tharper | =p |
| 20:16.22 | Maldivia | tharper: how many languages are up to by now? |
| 20:16.28 | tharper | Maldivia: I don't speka Finnish |
| 20:16.36 | tharper | I only speak English, Swedish, Icelandic |
| 20:16.39 | tharper | some Spanish |
| 20:16.47 | Zootfizzle | I think you used an extra only |
| 20:17.11 | mikma | tharper: kikkeli |
| 20:17.18 | Maldivia | tharper: and if you mix English, Swedish and Icelandic, you have Danish :) |
| 20:17.22 | tharper | LOL |
| 20:17.34 | tharper | gets out his potato (or cock, depending on who you ask) |
| 20:17.39 | tharper | I actually udnerstand a lot more Danish these days |
| 20:17.46 | tharper | i listen to cheesy Danish pop and rap, heh |
| 20:17.55 | mikma | why? WHY?!?! |
| 20:17.56 | Maldivia | don't... it's bad for your health |
| 20:18.12 | Maldivia | (the pop/rap that is - not the potato/cock) |
| 20:18.20 | tharper | because a rapper managed to rhyme "dope" and "New York" |
| 20:18.34 | tharper | I think Scandies trying to sound badass in a rap sense sound hysterical |
| 20:18.37 | tharper | I <3 it |
| 20:18.54 | VIad | bots when the human player picks his hero you are supposed to adjust to their pick, not assume they are a healer |
| 20:18.58 | Zootfizzle | Later folks. |
| 20:19.12 | VIad | Zootfizzle: <3 |
| 20:19.20 | tharper | Maldivia: http://open.spotify.com/track/5il4wdMWq9BLdzEifJcNb9 |
| 20:19.21 | VIad | stay classy |
| 20:19.30 | tharper | that's the kind of trahs I listen to :D |
| 20:19.40 | Maldivia | ok, know that track :) |
| 20:19.45 | tharper | but I didn't think it helped at all,but there was an interview on P1 with a Dane |
| 20:19.52 | tharper | and I understood her almost completely |
| 20:19.54 | tharper | she was obviously speaking slowly |
| 20:19.56 | tharper | but still |
| 20:20.01 | tharper | that is progress for me =P |
| 20:20.11 | Maldivia | tharper: probably all that exposure to Swedish? |
| 20:20.19 | tharper | The majority of Swedes who are from Stockholm cannot understand Danish |
| 20:20.43 | Semlar | that makes two of us |
| 20:21.35 | Maldivia | tharper: so Rasmus Seebach for the pop part, or was it just a coinsedense you picked that track? |
| 20:21.45 | Maldivia | coincidence* |
| 20:21.52 | tharper | hehe he is who I have been listening to recently |
| 20:22.08 | tharper | I think I now understand Danish better than a fair few Swedes from up here |
| 20:22.52 | tharper | but some people in Stockholm can't understand Norwegian, either |
| 20:22.54 | VIad | wanted to see jnwhiteh talk swedish |
| 20:22.55 | tharper | and that baffles me |
| 20:22.57 | VIad | sadly he don't want to :P |
| 20:23.07 | tharper | haha he is very shy about his Swedish |
| 20:23.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 20:24.21 | VIad | jag ar fra norge, jag kan inte prata svenska |
| 20:24.37 | Maldivia | tharper: what about something like Nephew then? or are the lyrics too mixed with English for your liking? |
| 20:24.46 | tharper | not heard it, link? |
| 20:25.10 | tharper | Vlad, kvar i Noreg kjem du fra? |
| 20:25.16 | Maldivia | tharper: http://open.spotify.com/album/5GyQN70EO6VEtpvJhuY8ed |
| 20:25.18 | VIad | oslo |
| 20:25.22 | tharper | aha |
| 20:25.30 | VIad | kvar noreg kjem is dialect and nynorsk |
| 20:25.30 | VIad | :P |
| 20:25.34 | tharper | eg veit |
| 20:25.52 | VIad | hehe |
| 20:25.57 | tharper | lærer seg nynorsk med sunnmørsk uttal =) |
| 20:26.00 | Maldivia | tharper: that was their breakthrough album |
| 20:26.08 | tharper | jnwhiteh will be so excited |
| 20:26.09 | tharper | (not) |
| 20:26.19 | Maldivia | hehehe |
| 20:28.19 | Maldivia | hmm, actually been a long time since I've listened to that album |
| 20:28.26 | VIad | did he move to sweden when he was older? |
| 20:28.34 | VIad | I know how it is for someone to learn another language at an age |
| 20:28.41 | tharper | yes, like 4 months ago =p |
| 20:29.33 | VIad | is he afraid I will laugh? |
| 20:29.45 | tharper | mebbe |
| 20:29.55 | VIad | silly |
| 20:30.22 | tharper | he's still on sort of basic phrases, although he orders coffee and food just fine |
| 20:30.57 | tharper | he just hasn't had been studying it long enough, and he's very critical of himself, imo |
| 20:30.59 | Maldivia | I take it's a harder to learn in an environment where everyone speaks English, so you're not forced to use the native language? |
| 20:31.17 | tharper | Maldivia: I don't speak any Swedish at work except with other foreigners who want to practice their Swdish |
| 20:31.25 | tharper | although I speak it 100% outside of work and home |
| 20:31.31 | tharper | but it takes effort |
| 20:31.36 | VIad | oh he works at a company where he speaks english? |
| 20:31.40 | tharper | yeah |
| 20:31.42 | VIad | can be hard then |
| 20:31.44 | VIad | to integrate |
| 20:31.44 | VIad | :P |
| 20:31.52 | VIad | assimilate |
| 20:31.56 | tharper | integrate :D |
| 20:32.01 | tharper | assimilate is a...harsher word |
| 20:32.01 | Maldivia | there are a lot of companies today, where the office-language is English, also here in Denmark |
| 20:32.05 | tharper | yeah |
| 20:32.12 | VIad | I know |
| 20:32.17 | tharper | I am no longer patient with Swedes who switch to English |
| 20:32.32 | tharper | I am aware that my Swedish is more than sufficient for the task at hand =p |
| 20:32.33 | VIad | we have someone from Bolivia that learns to speak norwegian at our work :D |
| 20:32.35 | VIad | it's cool |
| 20:32.37 | VIad | he learns quick |
| 20:32.41 | tharper | nice |
| 20:32.46 | VIad | just rarely he asks about words and we explain |
| 20:32.57 | VIad | it's cool to see someone manage a new language |
| 20:33.13 | tharper | :D |
| 20:33.24 | VIad | btw bots going on my nerves, I go healer hero and now mobs don't stick with me |
| 20:33.26 | VIad | fucking... |
| 20:33.26 | VIad | :P |
| 20:33.42 | VIad | they got 99 scrolls and teleport like monkeys |
| 20:34.00 | Maldivia | hmm... wondering if it's easier to learn a language that's has a common ancestry with your native tongue, or something that's completely different... |
| 20:34.35 | tharper | um, Scandinavian languages are super easy for English speakers |
| 20:34.52 | Maldivia | not to pronounce though? |
| 20:34.59 | tharper | Danish is by far the hardest |
| 20:35.04 | VIad | when I was little I spoke bulgarian with my mom |
| 20:35.17 | tharper | it is not so hard ot make yourself understood in Swedish/norwegian |
| 20:35.35 | tharper | having a good accent in them is harder |
| 20:35.39 | VIad | and I had no problems learning norwegian and english, if it helps answer your question Maldivia |
| 20:35.54 | tharper | I don't know any other English speaker that has lost their accent besides me |
| 20:36.00 | tharper | and I don't sound native |
| 20:36.06 | tharper | epople jsut can't tell where I am from anymore |
| 20:36.13 | VIad | :( |
| 20:36.20 | VIad | you are from earth |
| 20:36.25 | Maldivia | (or so he claims) |
| 20:36.26 | tharper | haha |
| 20:36.37 | tharper | but I am quite proud of having lost an Anglo accent |
| 20:36.40 | VIad | you sound like an earthling to me |
| 20:36.41 | tharper | it is quite..obvious in Swedish |
| 20:37.27 | Maldivia | what about when speaking to family on the phone - I assume the accent slips back very easily then? |
| 20:37.44 | tharper | I meant when speaking Swedish, lol |
| 20:37.51 | tharper | I have an American accentwhen Is peak English, of course |
| 20:38.05 | Maldivia | well, you could have lost it while living in the UK?! |
| 20:38.15 | tharper | Ah, yeah, that is quite rare, actually |
| 20:38.18 | tharper | mine changed a bit |
| 20:38.21 | tharper | as did jnwhiteh's |
| 20:38.24 | tharper | but not veyr much |
| 20:38.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 20:39.14 | Maldivia | well, personally, I try to hide my Danish accent as much as possible when speaking English (I hate hate hate Danish-English, sounds soo bad) |
| 20:39.22 | tharper | hahah it's so cute! |
| 20:39.32 | Maldivia | how can you call it cute?! |
| 20:40.15 | Maldivia | hearing Danes talk English on TV, makes my toes curl |
| 20:40.32 | tharper | hahahaha |
| 20:41.52 | VIad | enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49CkgeQVh70 |
| 20:42.09 | Maldivia | at least Swedes or Norwegians talking English still "sing"... Danes just sound flat and monotone |
| 20:42.13 | VIad | :3 |
| 20:43.21 | Neffi | This cliche needs to stop: "Every action brings about an equal and opposite reaction" |
| 20:44.30 | Neffi | Newtonian mechanics doesn't apply to everything. We get that you're being facetious, but it stopped being funny when it became the de-facto introduction to every blog and news post that anyone who took high school general science and wants to sound smart ever wrote. |
| 20:45.54 | Maldivia | tharper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTozrTpxldM <-- that would be the Danish minister of foreign affairs (or well, was) |
| 20:46.36 | VIad | I have an idea, you know how there is snot in the nostril? |
| 20:46.38 | Maldivia | if that isn't cringeworthy, I don't know what is |
| 20:46.39 | nevcairiel | you should hear our minister of foreign affairs, his english is worse then this guy |
| 20:46.44 | VIad | what if I take a drinking straw and make a tunnel trough the snot? :P |
| 20:47.02 | VIad | I am genious |
| 20:47.09 | Semlar | genius |
| 20:47.29 | VIad | no I am a mac support guy |
| 20:47.31 | VIad | genious :P |
| 20:47.36 | VIad | or is it also spelled genius? |
| 20:48.05 | Maldivia | the latter |
| 20:49.03 | nevcairiel | ingenious has the o, but dont even the brits add it in genius i dont think |
| 20:49.04 | VIad | what is genious :P |
| 20:49.12 | VIad | why isn't it ingenius? |
| 20:50.34 | Neffi | Different root word, no? |
| 20:50.56 | VIad | operable, inoperable |
| 20:51.01 | Neffi | Genius != ingenuity |
| 20:51.01 | VIad | in- prefix |
| 20:51.12 | nevcairiel | thats not the same |
| 20:51.19 | Neffi | Ingenuity is about cleverness. Genius is about-- I don't know, I'm not a psychologist. |
| 20:51.20 | nevcairiel | your example is a negative of the same word |
| 20:51.21 | VIad | hmm |
| 20:51.43 | nevcairiel | ingenious is a different word |
| 20:51.59 | Neffi | But essentially ingenious is probably only spelled like genius by a coincidence |
| 20:52.06 | Stanzilla | Maldivia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KWoya3u6vAM#t=25s VIad |
| 20:52.23 | VIad | :D |
| 20:52.40 | nevcairiel | well technically ingenious is the adjective to describe a genius, or his ideas, or something |
| 20:52.47 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: :) |
| 20:53.31 | Stanzilla | made me facepalm so hard |
| 20:54.11 | nevcairiel | considering mr. westerwave is the minister of foreign affairs, i think his situation is worse, even if his english might not be worse :p |
| 20:54.20 | VIad | english has a lot of words, not sure how you keep track of it all |
| 20:54.26 | VIad | 8000 new words each year :P |
| 20:54.40 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: so long as you don't mix it with ingenuous :) |
| 20:54.55 | Neffi | Let's quaxveldif a new one |
| 20:56.06 | nevcairiel | the french are the real weirdos, they dont allow any foreign terms in their language, so they invent their own, recently there actually was an article about them inventing a word for twitter hashtags =p |
| 20:56.12 | Maldivia | VIad: over the last 11 years, around 4500 new words have been added to the Danish language |
| 20:57.17 | VIad | :D |
| 20:57.23 | Maldivia | # - talk about a symbol with many names :P |
| 20:57.25 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: wonder if he ever introduced himself as the "outside minister" |
| 20:57.31 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:58.19 | VIad | # hasjtakk |
| 20:58.31 | Stanzilla | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lLYGPWQ0VjY#t=17s |
| 20:58.35 | Stanzilla | my braaaain |
| 20:58.46 | VIad | hasj = hashish and takk = thanks |
| 20:58.46 | VIad | :3 |
| 20:59.02 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY_0ujCOjds#t=17 -- from a Danish sketch show :) |
| 20:59.53 | VIad | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/candy-buckets-lunar :( |
| 21:00.03 | VIad | why so many "mine says it is outdated" comments? |
| 21:00.27 | VIad | funny Maldivia :P |
| 21:00.32 | Maldivia | Stanzilla: not exactly "outside miniter", but "the danish out of country policy" (danish foreign affair politics) :P |
| 21:00.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:02.12 | VIad | full documentary on youtube with morgan freeman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LKtiR3Y3SE |
| 21:02.14 | VIad | just saying |
| 21:02.56 | Stanzilla | oh man |
| 21:03.25 | VIad | morgan freeman can read me bedtime stories, fuck it, even twilight might sound cool with him reading it to me |
| 21:03.48 | Maldivia | NO |
| 21:04.02 | VIad | let's ask if he wanna read us twilight :P |
| 21:04.23 | nevcairiel | i think that conflict would create a blackhole |
| 21:04.27 | VIad | : |
| 21:04.28 | VIad | :3 |
| 21:04.29 | Maldivia | or you could go for 50 shades -- considering it's basically twilight fanfic |
| 21:06.04 | nevcairiel | that would also be very disturbing |
| 21:08.29 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: here's something to start with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K1RcKJVbHA#t=12 |
| 21:08.51 | VIad | :D |
| 21:10.04 | VIad | why no men listening to 50 shades of gray by Gilbert Gottfried? :P |
| 21:10.35 | Semlar | aflac |
| 21:20.47 | tharper | lol Maldivia |
| 21:20.50 | tharper | villy søvndal |
| 21:20.59 | tharper | this is why politicians should ALWAYS use interpreters |
| 21:22.32 | tharper | also politicians paradoxically seem to have the WORST foreign language skills |
| 21:23.01 | tharper | lol wtf |
| 21:23.15 | tharper | are these subtitles in radical bokmål? |
| 21:23.25 | Maldivia | but why oh why do the worst seem to get to be the minister of foreign affair :) |
| 21:23.40 | VIad | bokmål is the closest you can get to danish :3 |
| 21:23.43 | tharper | haha yes |
| 21:23.49 | tharper | but it wasn't very conservative bokmål |
| 21:23.50 | VIad | it's awesome |
| 21:24.13 | tharper | it used "ei" |
| 21:24.17 | Maldivia | tharper: well, it's mostly Danish (although the spelling is baaaad) |
| 21:24.26 | tharper | no the other linke abut "norwegians talking funny" |
| 21:24.31 | tharper | had an nrk broadcast |
| 21:24.36 | Maldivia | ah |
| 21:24.47 | Maldivia | that I don't know |
| 21:24.58 | tharper | I dunno, the use of bokmål still baffles me, when conservative forms are employed versus not |
| 21:25.41 | tharper | derfor skriv eg nynorsk =p |
| 21:26.25 | VIad | but bokmål is the official language, riksmål, nynorsk is fine but most don't even speak it properly, most speak their own version, their own dialect, each part has it's own dialect |
| 21:26.39 | tharper | yeah |
| 21:26.42 | tharper | exactly |
| 21:26.43 | VIad | personally if everyone spoke either bokmål or nynorsk, fine, but it's bokmål and like 10 nynorsk variants :P |
| 21:26.44 | tharper | but then |
| 21:26.56 | tharper | why use radical bokmål forms in subtitles? |
| 21:26.58 | VIad | really tiering to get a phone call :P |
| 21:26.59 | Maldivia | to me it's just "norwegian" :P |
| 21:27.06 | tharper | Maldivia: OH REALLY? |
| 21:27.07 | VIad | radical bokmål? :< |
| 21:27.24 | tharper | VIad: radikalt bokmål involves, for example, using the feminine gender |
| 21:27.43 | VIad | can you show me an example? I've seriously never heard the term "radical bokmål" before :P |
| 21:27.59 | tharper | en liten kvinne versus ei lita kvinne |
| 21:28.09 | VIad | that's bokmål and nynorsk |
| 21:28.16 | VIad | two different languages if you will |
| 21:28.19 | tharper | lol many people write the latter in bokmål |
| 21:28.20 | VIad | yet very similar |
| 21:28.34 | tharper | and speak with it even fi they speak a bokmålish dialect |
| 21:29.00 | tharper | I assume you dont' say en liten kvinne |
| 21:29.01 | tharper | do you? |
| 21:29.15 | Fisker | politicians are not educated so that is no surprise tharper |
| 21:29.25 | VIad | I wouldn't have phrased it like that, but I'd say "en liten kvinne" yes :P |
| 21:29.30 | tharper | ah |
| 21:29.32 | tharper | hehe |
| 21:29.35 | Maldivia | in Danish: en lille kvinde - Fynsk: en bet' tøs |
| 21:30.17 | tharper | I know non-nynorsk writers/speakers who would write "ei lita" in non-formal situations |
| 21:30.22 | tharper | according to their dialect |
| 21:30.28 | tharper | without considering it nynorsk |
| 21:30.38 | VIad | there are many dialects in norway |
| 21:30.39 | tharper | why wouldn't write eg kjem, for example |
| 21:30.42 | tharper | they* |
| 21:30.51 | VIad | it's fucked up |
| 21:31.11 | tharper | but thatis "radical" bokmål, is using dialectical forms that are not necessary associated strongly with nynorsk |
| 21:31.19 | tharper | haha I think it is awesome |
| 21:31.53 | tharper | Maldivia: I give you "just Norwegian" :D |
| 21:31.53 | tharper | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xb41l5x4f4 |
| 21:31.56 | VIad | I wouldn't think too much about it |
| 21:32.16 | VIad | dialect :P |
| 21:32.25 | tharper | I was just surprised to seem them in subtitles |
| 21:32.35 | VIad | he speaks bokmål |
| 21:32.53 | VIad | she speaks nynorsk in some dialect |
| 21:33.00 | tharper | haha |
| 21:33.06 | VIad | I'd laugh too |
| 21:33.40 | tharper | It's trøndersk |
| 21:33.55 | VIad | if you wanna get educated I guess, spend 15 minutes watching the guy explain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHmUo3bD9CU :P |
| 21:34.20 | tharper | which is not very nynorsky either, I would say trøndersk is just very...special :) |
| 21:34.46 | VIad | or for a funny short in norwegian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2vPGTYG2jc :P tre raske menn |
| 21:35.09 | VIad | they just make fun of the dialects |
| 21:36.06 | tharper | lol also including Trøndersk =p |
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| 21:37.55 | VIad | would an american show on national television sing the anthem with their asses as a joke? :P |
| 21:38.05 | tharper | no |
| 21:38.05 | VIad | or would a lot of americans cry about it |
| 21:38.07 | tharper | neither |
| 21:38.10 | tharper | it would be censored |
| 21:38.17 | VIad | hehe |
| 21:38.22 | tharper | well, maybe not today |
| 21:38.26 | tharper | in 2003, for example |
| 21:38.27 | VIad | as a joke they said oslo is the asshole, all the shit ends up in oslo :P |
| 21:38.29 | tharper | it would hav ebeen censored |
| 21:38.44 | VIad | named each part of norway as a bodypart |
| 21:38.48 | VIad | how they speak |
| 21:40.28 | VIad | do you think the universe is a living thing? |
| 21:40.33 | tharper | no |
| 21:40.43 | VIad | odd idea tough |
| 21:40.44 | VIad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LKtiR3Y3SE :P |
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| 21:56.10 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk: http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sqkb4/ |
| 22:00.22 | Ressy | lol |
| 22:15.28 | VIad | if I don't log on after a day or two |
| 22:15.33 | VIad | I probably went into coma or died |
| 22:15.39 | Shirik | "This fee doesn't apply to purchases made using debit cards. And it will still be illegal to charge the new fee in 10 states, including New York, California and Texas." |
| 22:15.48 | Shirik | Gee, thanks for being incredibly useful CNN, rather than telling us what states |
| 22:15.52 | VIad | accidentally took 580 nanogram of maximum 4000 nanogram daily dosage, of nasal spray |
| 22:16.04 | Shirik | Does anyone even pay attention to CNN anymore? |
| 22:16.15 | VIad | I only watch the daily show with jon stewart |
| 22:16.19 | mikma | shirik: the united states, of course!!!11 |
| 22:16.22 | VIad | they tell me the news in a more fun way :3 |
| 22:17.07 | VIad | btw, each time I ask, no one has seen it, but have you seen the thirtheenth floor? |
| 22:17.40 | Shirik | nop |
| 22:18.59 | VIad | :( |
| 22:19.01 | VIad | it's a cool movie |
| 22:19.34 | VIad | it's about a company that simulates a city, and the plot twist is that they themselves are a simulation too :P |
| 22:19.39 | VIad | simulation within a simulation |
| 22:20.25 | VIad | I guess the matrix killed it as it came in 1999 and it's based loosely on a movie from 64 :P |
| 22:24.02 | Sintacks | wish i could figure out text in suf |
| 22:24.27 | Sintacks | so that it doesn't do http://puu.sh/1TDzW |
| 22:26.10 | VIad | weird, food has no taste in my mouth |
| 22:26.53 | VIad | weird has no smell either |
| 22:30.53 | smcn | don't worry, it's probably just a stroke |
| 22:31.28 | Cairenn|afk | Shirik: heh |
| 22:31.43 | VIad | thanks for laughing, Cairenn |
| 22:31.48 | Cairenn|afk | cogwheel: yeah, that one is funny as hell |
| 22:33.55 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: where do you want tickets for TomTom? I don't see anything on the description |
| 22:35.12 | VIad | I'd guess curseforge since he must specifically enable ticket system there |
| 22:35.15 | VIad | if it's enabled that is |
| 22:35.41 | Cairenn | ... |
| 22:36.40 | Ackis | apparently he did |
| 22:37.28 | VIad | fuck me hard, sneezed so hard my spine hurt |
| 22:37.36 | VIad | first time |
| 22:37.56 | VIad | going to bed to hopefully avoid dying of these spasms |
| 22:38.02 | VIad | see you :P |
| 22:40.50 | MysticalOS | does anyone how where the code is that calls that countdown before a challenge mode or BG start? I simply cannot find it |
| 22:41.05 | MysticalOS | i can't even figure out what frame it is. |
| 22:58.09 | znf | wow wtf |
| 22:58.12 | znf | WoL has ads |
| 22:58.13 | znf | since when |
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