| 00:00.37 | pompy | yeah agatha christie's ep |
| 00:01.12 | pompy | idk if i liked the Midnight episode |
| 00:01.38 | Arrowmaster | midnight is one of those 'different but still great in an artistic way' episodes |
| 00:01.55 | pompy | the alien that it was, wasn't even mentioned right? |
| 00:02.23 | Arrowmaster | it was less about the story and more about how it was told that made it good |
| 00:03.21 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://youtu.be/IdjfpriATv4 props to the writers for making this scene... i crack up each time i remember it! |
| 00:03.49 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 00:05.26 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRlyC67f9kk haha |
| 00:06.44 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ndoUu2tYFc this too.. like wtf haha. |
| 00:11.24 | pompy | Arrowmaster: the Vahsta Nerada episode was pretty good too. |
| 00:11.36 | pompy | throw a chicken wing into a shadow! |
| 00:12.13 | Arrowmaster | pompy: thats one of the best episodes |
| 00:13.35 | Funkeh` | kd3, whatever happened to the focusframe? |
| 00:13.58 | pompy | "Hey, who turned out the lights?" |
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| 00:16.26 | kd3 | it's just inheriting the TargetFrameTemplate |
| 00:16.39 | kd3 | look at TargetFramel.xml:732 |
| 00:16.51 | kd3 | er, TargetFrame.xml:732 |
| 00:17.55 | foxlit | nothing interesting happened today. |
| 00:18.17 | kd3 | no news is good news. I'll take it |
| 00:18.36 | foxlit | the phrase is familiar for some reason |
| 00:19.10 | foxlit | okay, no, it was "nothing important happened today" |
| 00:19.16 | kd3 | damn it. more zone names changed |
| 00:19.36 | kd3 | grr |
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| 00:20.37 | Rythal | anyone know much about raid? |
| 00:20.47 | pompy | "THIS IS NOT WAR, THIS IS PEST CON-TROL!" |
| 00:20.57 | Ressy | kd3: Zone names change in 5.2? |
| 00:21.13 | kd3 | just stuff in the ptr. "Isle of the Thunder King" -> "Isle of Thunder" |
| 00:21.19 | smcn | question about lfr, if you end up in a group that has already killed the first boss and kill the rest with that group, when you LFR again does it try to put you in a group that hasn't killed the boss you need? |
| 00:21.19 | Ressy | ah |
| 00:21.30 | Rythal | smcn: it tries to yes |
| 00:22.17 | smcn | i suppose that explains why i don't have an "estimated time" |
| 00:23.29 | Rythal | I'm rebuilding a raid 10, but one of the drives is faulty ... if I pull that drive during the rebuild and replace it, is it gunna just restart the rebuild, or am I gunna lose everything since the first rebuild never finished. |
| 00:24.28 | kd3 | is it in the same set as the one that broke or the other one? |
| 00:25.16 | Rythal | it's the same one... sunday night it booted a drive with an error, but I couldn't see any problems in testing so I told it to use the drive again.... |
| 00:25.52 | Rythal | now 3 days later it's only 50% done the rebuild since the drive was faulty in the first place |
| 00:29.44 | znf | smcn, the "estimated time" gets seems to disappear when you stayed a while over the average time :P |
| 00:34.02 | smcn | the only time i've noticed it disappear is in "abnormal" conditions like this, or queueing for one or more specific dungeons |
| 00:34.34 | znf | I notice it late nights |
| 00:34.52 | znf | but that could also be because there aren't any people queued so it can't really estimate |
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| 01:07.53 | Sintacks | bleh |
| 01:09.42 | Sintacks | trying to find the format for DBM pull timer addon message so i can give my stupid tanks with the 5.2 alpha a macro so people without the 5.2 alpha still get a pull timer |
| 01:09.50 | Sintacks | and bar |
| 01:10.10 | durcyn | every time someone uses dbm, i kill a kitten |
| 01:10.18 | Sintacks | i use bigwigs |
| 01:10.25 | Kaylin | durcyn: hot. |
| 01:10.35 | durcyn | Kaylin: i'm just glad i have hardwood floors |
| 01:10.44 | Sintacks | i've got 20 kittens you can kill |
| 01:11.48 | Mr_Rabies | what's wrong with dbm, durcyn D: |
| 01:12.10 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't much like bigwigs' implementation and it does basically the same thing |
| 01:13.32 | Sintacks | for the most part, bigwigs has had better timers for me than dbm |
| 01:13.41 | Sintacks | and has things sooner than dbm |
| 01:13.57 | Sintacks | timers for certain things week or more before dbm has one |
| 01:14.03 | Sintacks | marking for things a week or more before dbm |
| 01:14.40 | kd3 | did dbm ever apologize for intentionally running goldseller ads? |
| 01:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | did they? where? :o |
| 01:15.05 | kd3 | it was years ago. they were unrepentant about it on their forums when they got called out about it |
| 01:15.18 | Funkeh` | bigwigs' implementation of what exactly |
| 01:16.12 | Mr_Rabies | i just prefer how dbm does things, personally |
| 01:16.26 | Funkeh` | can you define things? |
| 01:16.45 | Mr_Rabies | how the alerts, timers, etc worked |
| 01:17.15 | Mr_Rabies | i just prefer how dbm does it, though i haven't used bigwigs since firelands |
| 01:17.27 | Funkeh` | That's still somewhat vague tbh :s |
| 01:17.34 | Mr_Rabies | sure, it is |
| 01:17.58 | Mr_Rabies | but that's how preferences tend to work |
| 01:18.33 | Funkeh` | true |
| 01:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | when i used it, bigwigs felt annoying, like it was always doing an audio alert for every little thing |
| 01:18.59 | Mr_Rabies | and i didn't much like how the alerts looked |
| 01:19.13 | Funkeh` | e.g. I prefer an addon that's efficient at what it does, doesn't soak up CPU usage with crappy code, and doesn't taint things it shouldn't be |
| 01:19.34 | Mr_Rabies | i prefer an addon that does what i want it to do, regardless of anything else |
| 01:19.44 | Funkeh` | let's not forget staying in line with the name "boss mod" |
| 01:20.05 | Mr_Rabies | if it's missing features i want, it doesn't matter how efficient it is |
| 01:20.34 | Funkeh` | you do realize 99% of DBM features (that actually relate to bosses) are ripped directly from bw? |
| 01:21.46 | Sintacks | [Mr_Rabies] when i used it, bigwigs felt annoying, like it was always doing an audio alert for every little thing |
| 01:21.53 | Seerah | bw>dbm |
| 01:21.55 | Sintacks | that sounds WAY more like DBM than BigWigs |
| 01:21.59 | Seerah | huggles Funkeh` |
| 01:22.14 | Funkeh` | I mean if I was to note all the features it ripped since it's inception I;d list every single BW feature, but if we kept it more recent I'd say the range radar and audio countdown |
| 01:22.42 | Funkeh` | even minor things like coloured warnings and icons in warnings we had ages before |
| 01:23.07 | Funkeh` | so I really scratch my head over the "features" argument |
| 01:23.11 | Mr_Rabies | i might give bigwigs a chance again on a farming night, but you're not really helping me much |
| 01:23.31 | Funkeh` | ok, how can I help? |
| 01:23.36 | Mr_Rabies | being a jerk to people isn't the best way to present your case, at no point have i said i dislike bigwigs, only that i prefer dbm |
| 01:23.38 | Sintacks | everything i've seen DBM pick up, has been after BigWigs did it |
| 01:23.44 | Sintacks | cuz I run both |
| 01:23.50 | Sintacks | cuz there are a few things I like in DBM |
| 01:23.58 | Seerah | Mr_Rabies: he wasn't being a jerk to you, just about dbm in general |
| 01:23.59 | Funkeh` | I'm not trying to be a jerk, I was just shocked at your features point, my apologies |
| 01:24.06 | Sintacks | certain warnings for certain things in certain fights and i'm not listing them |
| 01:24.11 | Sintacks | the only one i HATE, is DXE. fuck DXE. |
| 01:25.25 | Funkeh` | for what it's worth, I agree with you about the sounds. It was infact an issue during firelands |
| 01:25.26 | Sintacks | but on that other note, DXE has one thing I kind of like. current fight duration |
| 01:27.51 | Mr_Rabies | i'm happy to give it another shot sometime, as long as it's not going to effect everyone else in our raid that uses dbm, but you have to understand that preferences differ |
| 01:28.08 | Mr_Rabies | well, firelands was when i used it, Funkeh`, because it handled some timers better on ragnaros |
| 01:28.17 | Funkeh` | Mr_Rabies, another issue with "sounds" sort of, was up until recently, bossblock would block raid warning broadcasts but still let the sounds play |
| 01:28.31 | Funkeh` | so you may have been experiencing that also |
| 01:28.40 | Funkeh` | as they would coincide with your warnings |
| 01:29.36 | Mr_Rabies | but it seemed like everything had an audio alert, and it was so bad that i uninstalled it as soon as dbm fixed their timers or whatever it was |
| 01:29.50 | Mr_Rabies | "bad" being the audio alert spam, not the addon itself |
| 01:31.15 | Funkeh` | anyway, we're much more considering over sounds since DS, and bossblock also block the RW sound now |
| 01:31.28 | Funkeh` | also the next version will have sound customization per warning |
| 01:32.05 | Funkeh` | (the same way you can customize bar colors per warning) |
| 01:34.14 | znf | So, oppinions on "Thunderforged" items and their idea of "giving more incentive" to run 25m raids? |
| 01:35.07 | znf | Because I can just see the drop rates to be something like crystallized firestone |
| 01:36.34 | Mr_Rabies | my opinion is that any change to the game will have people complaining on the forums about it |
| 01:37.08 | znf | 10m guilds already complain about 25m having more loot *shrug* |
| 01:49.45 | foxlit | "Emperor Vek’lor and Emperor Vek’nilash in the Twin Emperors encounter will now always award loot properly when slain." |
| 01:50.21 | pompy | Ackis: ^ |
| 01:50.52 | kd3 | yay |
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| 02:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, 25s do have more incentive, and less gear is wasted from random drops |
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| 02:52.04 | pompy | Arrowmaster: "It's like an outer space Facebook" |
| 02:54.27 | kd3 | heh. so what happens when you let friendly npcs aggro mobs but don't let the friendly npcs die? taran zhu on the isle of thunder has an aggro list a mile long. I've been tagging along helping him kill mobs for ~20 mintues and he's still just chugging along |
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| 03:00.56 | znf | wonders who taran zhu is |
| 03:01.09 | znf | Mr_Rabies, you clearly never run 25m then :D |
| 03:01.19 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Taran_Zhu |
| 03:01.26 | pompy | Arrowmaster: holy fuck at the "The Stolen Earth" episode |
| 03:01.35 | Mr_Rabies | some is wasted, still, yes, but it's more likely to have a wider range of classes |
| 03:02.06 | znf | Mr_Rabies, our 1st Elegon normal kill "back in the days" on 25m produced 3 mail shoulders (which our shamans already had better from VPs), 1 weapon and 2 other crappy things nobody wanted |
| 03:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | every fight just about has us DEing stuff no one can use |
| 03:02.47 | Mr_Rabies | like, could never use |
| 03:15.31 | End_ | in cataclysm, we went about two months on 10man madness without a fruitful drop |
| 03:15.43 | End_ | it was...demoralizing |
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| 03:23.33 | znf | So, who wants some Heroic Thunderforged Elite drops? |
| 03:24.45 | znf | (I wonder if there's an boss that has an Elite mechanic) |
| 03:26.27 | znf | also, yay for complaints: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7708412609 |
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| 04:27.54 | kd3 | ooh. bad. http://i.imgur.com/Etnr71w.jpg |
| 04:28.32 | Semlar | why would their sunroof be open if it were freezing |
| 04:28.54 | kd3 | makes a "don't look at me" gesture |
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| 04:37.18 | kd3 | in other news... big fires this time of year up north suck: http://imgur.com/a/V4PqL |
| 04:40.15 | karl_w_w | * kd3 makes a "don't look at me" gesture <- 1 hand in front of crotch, other in front of chest waving people away? |
| 04:40.44 | kd3 | raise both shoulders, hands out palm up to one side, tilted head? |
| 04:40.52 | kd3 | s/one side/either side/ |
| 04:42.24 | Arrowmaster | i moved my car today (had to move it from back of driveway to street so i wasnt blocked in) and found my passenger window open |
| 04:42.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember the last time i opened it |
| 04:42.49 | Semlar | my passenger window doesn't open |
| 04:43.11 | Semlar | my car is falling apart |
| 04:44.04 | Dagmar | Hm... I feel bad now |
| 04:44.27 | Dagmar | This college that basically stole our whole website is apparently smaller than our IT department |
| 04:44.43 | Dagmar | We sent a C&D |
| 04:45.00 | kd3 | that still doesn't excuse them hotlinking. they should at least have copied all of your shit and rehosted it locally |
| 04:45.10 | Dagmar | They also appear to be in freaking north shantytown India |
| 04:45.31 | Dagmar | kd3: The 404 page still shows the name of our uni on it |
| 04:45.36 | Dagmar | like wtf |
| 04:46.26 | Semlar | hotlinking is way better because it means you can mess with them |
| 04:46.51 | Dagmar | Well, if this was just me, I would be messing with them hardcore, but it's not just me |
| 04:48.09 | Dagmar | There's kind of a serious problem over there with schools that teach the stuff necessary to pass competency exams |
| 04:48.29 | Dagmar | The students don't know half the time this is the case until their money's gone |
| 04:49.02 | kd3 | that sounds like most for-profit schools here in the states |
| 04:49.05 | karl_w_w | our last POS car had one window that would gradually fall open, Arrowmaster |
| 04:49.06 | kd3 | as well as most other schools |
| 04:49.09 | Dagmar | To be connected to the internet and still be ignorant is bordering on tragedy |
| 04:49.09 | karl_w_w | maybe that happened |
| 04:49.10 | kd3 | >.< |
| 04:49.48 | Dagmar | It's not even *hard* to throw up a wordpress site |
| 04:53.26 | bluspacecow | Anyone else getting a #114 error immediately after putting their password in at login ? |
| 04:53.32 | Neffi | "To be connected to the internet and still be ignorant is bordering on tragedy" You've never been to Facebook, have you? |
| 04:53.51 | Dagmar | I'm used to people who are stupid and not starving |
| 04:53.52 | bluspacecow | I've tried the cliched fixes already as well as confirming I can telnet to the login server on port 1119. Also i'm in NZ |
| 04:54.08 | kd3 | er |
| 04:54.15 | Neffi | Or are stupid and willfully starving |
| 04:54.25 | Dagmar | ...but this is a region of the world where things are _really_ dire, and they could pull themselves out of it if they dug into the 'net properly |
| 04:54.27 | Neffi | <3 American culture. It will be the end of us all. |
| 04:55.45 | Neffi | Humanity has a tendency to wallow in its misfortune when opportunity is so close at hand |
| 04:55.58 | Neffi | I think it speaks to the quality of the humans who refuse to help themselves |
| 04:56.08 | Neffi | Let Darwinian mechanics take over |
| 04:56.31 | Dagmar | There's also another factor to be considered. |
| 04:56.39 | Dagmar | How many people are *keeping* the other people down |
| 04:56.51 | Neffi | And I wasn't specifically talking about 3rd world countries. We have that sort of problem in the 1st world too. |
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| 04:56.56 | Neffi | People are stupid and undeserving |
| 04:57.11 | Dagmar | The morons on Facebook are mainly at least morons of their own free will |
| 04:57.24 | Neffi | Once upon a time solving that dilemma was a matter of picking up a few guns and applying some force |
| 04:57.29 | Neffi | nowadays that'd be seen as terrorism |
| 04:57.55 | Neffi | ironic that the witch hunt is being spearheaded by the same country that was founded on that kind of revolutionary force |
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| 04:59.09 | Neffi | It's humanity as a whole that's utterly fucked right now. At large, we've lost our sense of good and right. Darwinian mechanics will eventually take over. Either we'll break free of the shit we're in, or we'll destroy ourselves in the process. |
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| 04:59.23 | Neffi | Better it happen now, before we've begun corrupting the cosmos too |
| 04:59.59 | Dagmar | Fuck that i want to see space |
| 05:00.11 | Dagmar | People need to get crackin on differentiating themselves from animals |
| 05:00.19 | Neffi | Maybe that's the problem |
| 05:00.33 | Neffi | We're so busy differentiating ourselves from animals that we've lost touch to ourselves |
| 05:00.37 | Neffi | We're fuckin' monkeys man. |
| 05:00.54 | Dagmar | Okay now it's my turn to point at Facebook |
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| 05:02.03 | Neffi | I think if we weren't so afraid of being just talking monkeys, we wouldn't be so greedy and willing to oppress the cultures we see as less civilized than us |
| 05:02.40 | Neffi | And we wouldn't be afraid of embracing personal freedoms on a scale that Voltaire and Locke spoke of early in my country's life |
| 05:03.11 | Dagmar | Too busy trying to oppress each other |
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| 05:03.26 | Dagmar | ...which is what animals do. |
| 05:03.30 | Neffi | Back when revolution and standing up for the people was seen as such a crucial human right that was part of the Bill of Rights. Nowadays, upholding that right would mean life in prison or put to death. |
| 05:03.47 | Neffi | Not much |
| 05:04.00 | Neffi | Socialistic animals seem to oppress each other, but to them it's just pecking order |
| 05:04.16 | Dagmar | It's savage and inefficient |
| 05:04.19 | kd3 | oh yay. the shinsekai yori ED single (wareta ringo) is finally out |
| 05:04.22 | Neffi | We're so busy trying to pretend we're not animals, that we enforce it to the lengths that no other ape would dare |
| 05:05.05 | Neffi | We're stuck in a Freudian admission of guilt. We don't want to be classified as animals, so we're more willing to oppress the 3rd world because we see them as less civilized, therefore embarassing to our world view |
| 05:05.28 | Dagmar | 3rd world? No... not just that |
| 05:05.36 | Neffi | Not just that. So much more. |
| 05:05.39 | Neffi | But it's a good example |
| 05:05.45 | Neffi | brb food might be done |
| 05:05.48 | Dagmar | On a much more granular level there's a whole crapload of class oppression going on in the US |
| 05:05.59 | Dagmar | Banks are real organized about it |
| 05:06.15 | Neffi | I agree |
| 05:06.28 | Dagmar | The way college loans are going, it's looking rather like once you set foot into that system, you'll be in debt until the day you die |
| 05:06.42 | Neffi | I always hate to speak out about it because I realize when I put my thoughts on paper, I sound like the a crackpot conspiracist |
| 05:07.02 | Neffi | But it's really true. The structure of our class and financial system is nothing but oppressive to everyone |
| 05:07.03 | Dagmar | ...which means you're constantly working to an uncomfortable degree for someone else, for no sensible reason. |
| 05:07.15 | Dagmar | Buy a house on credit, buy the bank two houses. |
| 05:07.31 | Dagmar | Buy a car on a long note, buy the bank at least half a car |
| 05:07.54 | Dagmar | Give the bank a car's worth of cash, get back enough interest to buy an air freshener |
| 05:08.18 | Neffi | Before the modern ridiculously-perverse-bureaucracy, the way we treat each other would be more obvious |
| 05:08.19 | Dagmar | ...and even with that they *still* somehow fuck it up |
| 05:08.48 | Neffi | When a man bends another over and fucks him hard in the ass, it seems a lot LESS savage when he has a signed contract saying "I agree to be fucked in the ass!" |
| 05:09.41 | Neffi | And he's more willing when the alternative to that is much worse |
| 05:12.10 | kd3 | ooh, I need to send this to some friends of mine whose kids are not very happy... http://i.imgur.com/SpfmP6x.jpg |
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| 06:03.22 | Fisker | may i hope you die bluspacecow ? |
| 06:03.30 | bluspacecow | of course |
| 06:03.34 | bluspacecow | i may not obey tho |
| 06:03.44 | bluspacecow | *blows raspberry at Fisker* |
| 06:05.04 | Fisker | are you a jersk? |
| 06:07.10 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 06:07.13 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.17 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.23 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.26 | bluspacecow | okay bye |
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| 06:11.30 | jnwhiteh | Does anyone here have any connections in publishing, particularly with health-related issues or social media? |
| 06:12.32 | bluspacecow | see fisker ? jersk |
| 06:12.36 | bluspacecow | bye! |
| 06:19.10 | Fisker | i hope you're not dead jnwhiteh :( |
| 06:19.27 | jnwhiteh | I'm not, but my sisters cancer has spread again |
| 06:19.36 | Fisker | oh :( |
| 06:19.49 | jnwhiteh | so I'm trying to find some way for her to be able to spread her story, which I think is very importantl. |
| 06:26.14 | Kaylin1 | tried reddit? =/ |
| 06:26.23 | znf | jnwhiteh, how about self-publishing trough amazon's KDR? |
| 06:26.35 | jnwhiteh | yeah, there's several options we have with that |
| 06:26.43 | jnwhiteh | Kaylin1: thanks, which subreddit? |
| 06:27.06 | znf | askreddit ? |
| 06:27.11 | Kaylin1 | idk I should prob ask my friend that question |
| 06:27.52 | znf | erm, it's called KDP not KDR, my bad: https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/signin |
| 06:32.19 | jnwhiteh | thanks, that's definitely one route we're looking at |
| 06:32.33 | jnwhiteh | unfortunately I think she probably would want/need an editor to help her shape the work |
| 06:32.55 | jnwhiteh | I'm not sure she'd be able to sit down and turn 500+ blog posts over 4 years into a cohesive book while continuing to fight cancer. |
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| 08:40.33 | Primer | unbelievable...I slid a slider in Weakauras and my entire group got fucked up. So I alt-f4's so it wouldn't be saved...and somehow it was saved |
| 08:40.37 | Primer | W |
| 08:40.37 | Primer | F |
| 08:40.41 | Primer | T |
| 08:40.58 | zenzio | clearly you didn't Alt+F4 hard enough |
| 08:41.18 | Primer | I spent the last hour setting it all up too |
| 08:41.30 | zenzio | :-/ |
| 08:41.35 | Primer | How the hell did it save? |
| 08:43.10 | Primer | What's really odd is that I had started working on this, joined an instance, and my game froze, and those changes were not saved |
| 08:44.03 | kullervo | Primer: you're sure alt-f4 isn't somehow hooked to save the interface? |
| 08:44.05 | zenzio | I'm not sure if it would help, but next time you could try killing the process through task manager |
| 08:44.18 | Primer | sigh... |
| 08:44.20 | zenzio | kullervo: if it is, then it's a recent-ish change |
| 08:44.34 | Primer | this is extremely bogus |
| 08:44.53 | neutronimity | There are character-specific config-cache.wtf and layout-local.txt files in the WTF folder. Is there any way to create/make a global file so that there are default settings across characters? |
| 08:45.11 | Primer | I have a backup from before I started making the changes today, but still, I'm losing a bunch of changes |
| 08:45.22 | kullervo | zenzio: not blizzard side, but I hear you can do that yourself |
| 08:45.32 | zenzio | oh, I see |
| 08:45.38 | karl_w_w | anyone know the bandwidth requirement for 4k iptv? |
| 08:45.41 | kullervo | with an addon or something |
| 08:45.52 | karl_w_w | i have a better channel to ask that in actually |
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| 09:00.53 | durcyn | Primer: who told you alt-f4 prevented savedvariables from writing? they were wrong. |
| 09:03.03 | Neffi | AFAIK Alt-F4 sends an exit signal to the process |
| 09:03.14 | Neffi | Ie, telling WoW.exe to exit gracefully |
| 09:06.20 | Neffi | Google actually returns little info on that, except https://code.google.com/p/superf4/ |
| 09:07.01 | zenzio | I was fairly sure Alt+F4 was a don't-save, but I guess it's been too long for me to remember |
| 09:07.20 | zenzio | I suppose you could disable your network connection (or pull the plug) |
| 09:07.33 | Neffi | I think it was at a time, but only because WoW.exe chose to do it like that |
| 09:07.41 | Neffi | it's still getting a "hey can you exit for me?" |
| 09:07.56 | zenzio | of course |
| 09:08.01 | zenzio | I just believed it was a choice they made |
| 09:08.06 | Neffi | If exit signal saves, I would assume a halted connection does to |
| 09:08.23 | Neffi | Might as well be sure and kill the process by han |
| 09:08.24 | durcyn | disconnecting still causes a logout. task switch out and copy the savedvariables out, no other way. |
| 09:08.24 | Neffi | d |
| 09:08.47 | Neffi | "no other way" : task manager -> processes -> kill |
| 09:08.53 | Neffi | does not exit gracefully that way |
| 09:12.51 | neutronimity | There is no copy to folder shortcut :( |
| 09:13.32 | Neffi | I think TeraCopy has one |
| 09:13.53 | Neffi | Also you can add commands to explorer's context menus via the registry |
| 09:13.54 | zenzio | hm, I remember an old Windows powertool (or similar, whatever the name was); "SendToX". Added a bunch of "Send to..." entries, most of which I deleted; but "Send to any folder" I used heavily |
| 09:14.14 | neutronimity | I am in a sort of purity state right now - only take default and change default manually. |
| 09:14.20 | neutronimity | Registry sounds interesting though |
| 09:14.52 | Neffi | TeraCopy is pretty fucking awesome though |
| 09:15.11 | Neffi | Much faster than normal copy handler, lots of nice options. Works great. |
| 09:15.25 | neutronimity | In my case - been trying moving config-cache.wtf and layout-local.txt higher up the WTF hierarchy |
| 09:16.12 | neutronimity | So I could create customized default settings across all characters - but that didn't work out |
| 09:16.19 | neutronimity | Looking at it :) |
| 09:17.09 | Neffi | Set it up how you want. Move it up a few levels. Erase character-specific ones. symlink the higher-level one to the character-specific location. |
| 09:17.11 | Neffi | Should work |
| 09:17.38 | neutronimity | Ooh - thanks for the symlink keyword |
| 09:17.42 | Neffi | I'm actually going to do that now, because copying chat settings every new alt I make is fucking annoying |
| 09:17.54 | neutronimity | Yes EXACTLY |
| 09:18.14 | Neffi | Not sure how graceful Windows is with symlinks. Never bothered because I remember a few people bitching about it in the XP days |
| 09:19.51 | Neffi | By the way, WoW seems to do some strange things of its own with things like chat config |
| 09:20.25 | Adys_ | Primer: alt-f4 saves |
| 09:20.30 | Neffi | Case in point. I recently reinstalled WoW.exe. Forgot to place my backed up WTF folder there, so when I started the game I had default settings. I exited, deleted the WTF folder and placed my backup there. Logged back in, and half my settings were still default |
| 09:20.46 | Neffi | Specifically, all chat settings and some Interface options. But all addon settings saved properly. |
| 09:21.24 | Neffi | It seems to cache the settings somewhere else, so when the config files change unexpectedly things go haywire |
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| 09:24.52 | neutronimity | Cached server side? |
| 09:26.03 | Neffi | It does with certain things, but I've explicitly disabled all server caching in my config.WTF |
| 09:26.26 | Neffi | Despite this, I can load up the new config.WTF to re-disable server caching, exit again, replace the files yet again, and they still refuse to take |
| 09:27.08 | Neffi | I've run into circumstances where it's impossible to replace a config file no matter what I tried. So if your symlink doesn't behave, you know why. |
| 09:28.32 | neutronimity | OK - uhm - question. I have to create symlinks inside each character folder and link it to the upper level .wtf/.txt file? |
| 09:28.59 | Neffi | You can do it any way you want |
| 09:29.16 | Neffi | But yes, the character-specific config files would in theory be a symlink elsewhere |
| 09:29.32 | neutronimity | I have actually no idea what way, since I have never worked with symlinks. :) I'll look at google |
| 09:29.50 | Neffi | there are a few ways to do this depending on what you want. I'd place my desired config at WTF/global, and then place a symlink at each character folder pointing to the files in WTF/global |
| 09:30.23 | neutronimity | Made a folder there now. |
| 09:30.34 | Neffi | Let me make you a diagram of the setup |
| 09:30.42 | Neffi | if I can remember the command line switches here |
| 09:32.21 | neutronimity | That would be nice :) thanks a lot |
| 09:33.20 | neutronimity | Though from your words I imagine the symlinks are placed into the character folders and act as variables - linking to the files in \WTF\Global\ |
| 09:33.41 | neutronimity | Well - just need to uhm, now know about how to link it. |
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| 09:34.21 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/FC1PDcpg |
| 09:34.27 | Neffi | Google that one |
| 09:34.35 | Neffi | I don't know how to do symlinks on Windows |
| 09:34.50 | durcyn | mklink /j |
| 09:34.52 | Neffi | And yes. A symlink is just a pointer to another file elsewhere |
| 09:34.56 | neutronimity | All right, thanks! <3 |
| 09:35.04 | Neffi | It looks like a normal file, unless you specifically check if it's a link |
| 09:35.19 | durcyn | microsoft calls them junctions these days |
| 09:35.46 | Neffi | Just make sure you're not doing a hard link |
| 09:35.50 | Neffi | those are messy as fuck on any system |
| 09:36.51 | Neffi | Can you junction a whole folder on Windows? |
| 09:36.57 | Coote | yes |
| 09:37.16 | Neffi | Nice. |
| 09:38.23 | Coote | I've used several to get stuff off of my C drive and put them elsewhere. example being the entire google folder in appdata complete with subdirectories are now sitting pretty on my h drive and off the ssd. |
| 09:42.50 | neutronimity | SET RAID_RANGE_ALPHA "0.2" |
| 09:42.55 | neutronimity | I suppose that won't work :( |
| 10:03.54 | zenzio | SET? What kind of variable is RAID_RANGE_ALPA? |
| 10:04.07 | zenzio | sounds a little like a CVar |
| 10:06.16 | durcyn | it's a global. |
| 10:09.22 | neutronimity | Yes it's a global used for out-of-range party/raid member |
| 10:09.25 | neutronimity | +s |
| 10:09.33 | neutronimity | No idea how to change it by default. |
| 10:09.45 | durcyn | you'll need to do it in an addon |
| 10:09.57 | neutronimity | :( damn |
| 10:10.14 | durcyn | it's not that complicated. |
| 10:10.44 | durcyn | all you need is a four line toc and a one line lua file |
| 10:11.06 | durcyn | three, even. |
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| 10:55.56 | Coote | It's -22 and my water pipes foze solid. :( |
| 10:56.24 | Coote | I want hot tea right now, and can't have it. |
| 10:58.17 | wereHamster | does anyone know the name of the texture that is used for the ground target aoe circle? The green one here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Area_of_Effect#Ground_targeted |
| 11:02.10 | Coote | We don't have access to that texture, in case you were asking of a way to modify it. |
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| 11:56.30 | Neffi_ | It baffles me when a tech company's website doesn't work on Webkit |
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| 12:40.06 | foxlit | wereHamster: Interface/SpellShadow/Spell-Shadow-Acceptable |
| 13:02.02 | wereHamster | I was hoping to find it somehwere on the internet so I can use it in my own game |
| 13:02.15 | wereHamster | (at least temporarily until we find a proper texture) |
| 13:02.37 | foxlit | jnwhiteh probably publishes PNG versions of it; it's extracted by ExportInterfaceFiles |
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| 13:06.57 | bluspacecow | ExportInterfaceFiles art |
| 13:07.42 | bluspacecow | when in console mode |
| 13:08.04 | foxlit | "on a computer!" |
| 13:08.25 | bluspacecow | they still have closed door encounters in this game ? |
| 13:08.27 | bluspacecow | lame |
| 13:09.11 | Coote | is that such a huge surprise? |
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| 14:02.14 | Stanzilla | https://github.com/search?p=6&q=path%3A.ssh%2Fid_rsa |
| 14:02.26 | Stanzilla | searches are fun |
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| 14:37.18 | Adys | lol Stanzilla |
| 14:37.18 | Adys | wow. |
| 14:37.37 | Coote | is it just me, or is Google's new image search a ripoff of Bing? |
| 14:37.38 | haste | HN yesterday \:D/ |
| 14:38.23 | Adys | Coote: ? |
| 14:38.42 | Coote | http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/faster-image-search.html |
| 14:40.12 | Adys | i still got the old one i guess |
| 14:40.50 | Adys | lol wow |
| 14:40.54 | Adys | http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/emailaddrs/ema-2900.png |
| 14:41.06 | Jammer | hmm bing search isn't anything like that for me? |
| 14:41.07 | Adys | is this pipermail's idea of spam warding |
| 14:42.29 | Coote | it's not exactly the same, but it's definitely fairly similar. |
| 14:44.37 | Jammer | previous google image search results looked more similar to bing's |
| 14:45.16 | Adys | Jammer: I think you mean bing looks similar to google's original image search |
| 14:45.33 | Jammer | well yes |
| 14:45.41 | Jammer | oh wait you get different view in bing when you click the images |
| 14:45.43 | Jammer | that's just weird |
| 14:46.20 | Jammer | I suppose that one is kinda similar but then again that concept has been around for ages |
| 14:48.25 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/ic.png << I wonder why it's confusing yellow and pink. |
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| 14:57.28 | foxlit | Because I swapped the B and G channels. Go me! |
| 14:58.28 | Kalroth | gasp |
| 15:04.07 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/tqg-ic2.png << now with more sanity. |
| 15:05.45 | Kalroth | bountiful colors of the rainbow |
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| 15:20.22 | karl_w_w | http://www.nandos.com.au/sauces-and-recipes/chips doesn't it seem odd to go into a fast food restaurant to buy these? |
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| 15:42.16 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 15:42.27 | bluspacecow | ipod headphone budds are perfect shape to put up nose |
| 15:42.30 | bluspacecow | must resist. |
| 15:42.49 | bluspacecow | i am not as think as you drunk i am! |
| 15:43.04 | TC-work | pics or it didn't happen |
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| 15:46.27 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/File:INV_Weapon_Halberd20.png http://www.wowpedia.org/File:INV_Weapon_Halberd_20.png << grr. |
| 15:48.54 | TC-work | why are you 'grr'ing? it's _20 vs 20 |
| 15:48.58 | Zootfizzle | I hate to laugh |
| 15:48.59 | Zootfizzle | but LOL |
| 15:49.12 | Zootfizzle | Stoned artist ftl |
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| 15:52.27 | foxlit | TC-work: seems like a silly way to break a naming convention |
| 15:52.45 | TC-work | agreed |
| 15:53.54 | foxlit | point is, I wanted to hash things (while reducing the alphabet used to compute keys), and it turns out that I can't just drop _. |
| 15:54.56 | Zootfizzle | There's already http://www.wowpedia.org/File:INV_Weapon_Halberd21.png |
| 15:55.01 | Zootfizzle | It's too late to change it |
| 15:56.05 | foxlit | I wonder if those icons are actually used. |
| 15:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | I keep reading that as Invisible Weapon, and loving it. |
| 15:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | I think my cough medicine is fantastic. |
| 15:57.47 | Zootfizzle | Oh dear |
| 15:57.57 | Zootfizzle | tries to imagine Lopeppeppy with an even more active imagination |
| 15:58.02 | Unkle | You must be using the /good/ stuff |
| 15:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | Totally am. Brought home a very nasty bronchitis from Arisia, and the doc loaded me up with a ton of medicine. Steroids, inhalers, cough meds, antibiotics. And I'm still out of work the whole week because I'm contagious until Friday afternoon. |
| 15:59.27 | Unkle | Awww. Just you, the Moose, and Netflix. |
| 15:59.52 | Lopeppeppy | And the laptop. I'm better enough to work from home for short burtst. |
| 16:01.24 | VIad | hey Semlar got the PTR? |
| 16:03.21 | Unkle | Well, best wishes for your full and speedy recovery. |
| 16:04.05 | Zootfizzle | ^ |
| 16:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'll be right as rain by Monday. Miracle of modern chemistry. |
| 16:08.26 | Unkle | mmmm... chemistry. |
| 16:08.43 | VIad | mmmm... medication |
| 16:10.50 | VIad | was freaked out by the faint noise of airplane. mistaken for musqito near his ear. |
| 16:14.52 | Zootfizzle | After switching to a font with serifs, your name is a little jarring to read, VIad... |
| 16:15.35 | VIad | true programmers use only monospaces, no serifs! :P |
| 16:15.50 | VIad | tough it would be jarrig on monospace too :( |
| 16:15.56 | VIad | stick with sans-serif :P |
| 16:18.46 | End_ | heh, the monospace I use with putty (irssi in a screen session) uses serifs |
| 16:19.09 | VIad | End_ you can use €nd if End is taken :D |
| 16:19.22 | End_ | I'd rather not |
| 16:19.30 | Zootfizzle | I think we'd all rather you not, End_ |
| 16:20.22 | VIad | €nd 3nd Ènd Énd Ënd Ênd |
| 16:20.32 | Unkle | *stab* |
| 16:20.33 | VIad | use elvish Ë |
| 16:20.39 | Zootfizzle | ._. |
| 16:22.02 | VIad | you think Legolas is taken? |
| 16:23.06 | Legolas | :3 |
| 16:23.18 | VIad | registered |
| 16:23.41 | Legoass | hey Legolass |
| 16:23.53 | Legolass | I'm a cute elvish girl who loves building things with plastic blocks |
| 16:24.12 | Legolass | Hey there Legoass |
| 16:24.13 | Legoass | I'm a mean asshole that likes to ruin what you've built with lego. |
| 16:24.43 | Fisker | hye Zootfizzle |
| 16:24.49 | Zootfizzle | Hey Fisker! |
| 16:24.50 | TC-work | Get a room you two |
| 16:25.02 | Zootfizzle | Technically this is a room |
| 16:25.05 | VIad | we have a room, it's called #wowuidev |
| 16:25.12 | TC-work | A private room |
| 16:25.14 | Zootfizzle | OH GOD I MADE THE SAME ARGUMENT AS HIM |
| 16:25.21 | Zootfizzle | AHH |
| 16:25.22 | Zootfizzle | AHH |
| 16:25.22 | VIad | it is a private room |
| 16:25.26 | TC-work | nope |
| 16:25.30 | TC-work | it's public |
| 16:25.59 | VIad | my lines and Zootfizzle's lines are private, it's you who enter our property with your eyes when you read them |
| 16:26.08 | Fisker | it's private TC-work |
| 16:26.32 | TC-work | Prove it Fisker |
| 16:26.36 | Zootfizzle | I'm filing DMCA complaints against all of you for reverse engineering my means of private communication |
| 16:26.53 | VIad | I don't think you even have to go that faar Zootfizzle |
| 16:27.06 | VIad | youtube have shown just a complaint with no evidence is enough for them to ban or remove your video |
| 16:27.07 | Fisker | a public room would not need to be joined |
| 16:27.07 | VIad | :P |
| 16:27.28 | TC-work | I'm counter suing for mental damages due to interaction with you. |
| 16:27.41 | Zootfizzle | I see your countersuit and raise you five sprockets |
| 16:27.57 | VIad | if you sue me and you loose can I countersue because you in the first place sued me? |
| 16:27.59 | Lopeppeppy | Lego my eggo |
| 16:28.07 | TC-work | I crush your sprockets with my patented sprocket crusher (tm) |
| 16:28.13 | VIad | *(tm) |
| 16:30.25 | VIad | can you name your company something like a sql statement? |
| 16:30.36 | Zootfizzle | Yes, yes you can. |
| 16:30.48 | Unkle | Re: YouTube take downs... rights-holders have access to take-down tools. So quite often, it isn't even google themselves taking down stuff. |
| 16:30.50 | VIad | gaming studio named SELECT `AWESOME` FROM `GAMES` |
| 16:31.24 | Unkle | Awesome ;DROP TABLE; Game Co. |
| 16:31.46 | VIad | Unkle: I think it's stupid that others can edit your videos claiming you use their stuff without even being able to counter |
| 16:31.56 | VIad | like they can do it easily but you need to go trough a huge process |
| 16:32.24 | Zootfizzle | It's almost as if Google was forced into making YouTube work in an inconvenient way by other megacorporations |
| 16:32.29 | VIad | I got a video flagged to use content from someone that is not the owner of the content, I didn't have a form with the options to say exactly this, I could only pick stuff to claim that it was mine... not that the guy had claimed wrong |
| 16:32.52 | Unkle | They have a refutation process. It doesn't always work. There's been some press about it recently. cf - "Buff vs Edward" story around fair use rights. |
| 16:33.27 | VIad | like if you make a video of you walking on the road and you see the apple logo, apple claims that the video contains content with their products :P |
| 16:34.10 | VIad | family vacation video on youtube with a huge list "contains content from" :P |
| 16:34.25 | VIad | I think it's getting a bit silly |
| 16:35.02 | Unkle | Well, if you don't defend a trademark you lose it. |
| 16:35.12 | Unkle | So people tend to over-defend. |
| 16:35.52 | VIad | oh noes what if people forget EA or Apple |
| 16:35.54 | VIad | :P |
| 16:36.41 | VIad | btw when using music I always write what music I use in the description - isn't that fair enough? |
| 16:38.38 | Unkle | Not forget, but lose the right to their logo as their property. When your trademark becomes synonymous with the entire range of a product, it becomes very hard to defend as uniquiely identifying YOUR product. Like every soda being a "Coke" |
| 16:38.55 | Zootfizzle | And every tissue being a kleenex |
| 16:38.59 | VIad | :P |
| 16:39.14 | VIad | what about, I use a sound from a videogame |
| 16:39.27 | VIad | took a music piece from Mass Effect and used the credits used in the game for the music creator |
| 16:39.38 | VIad | but then another 3rd party named AdRev claims ownership |
| 16:39.47 | Zootfizzle | zzzz |
| 16:39.58 | Zootfizzle | tl;dr |
| 16:40.04 | VIad | a child company that also owns the music |
| 16:40.20 | VIad | just funny that you can probably get a really long chain of claims like this :3 |
| 16:41.11 | Fisker | hey Zootfizzle |
| 16:41.22 | Zootfizzle | Yes Fisker? |
| 16:41.29 | Fisker | i just like you thats all |
| 16:41.52 | Zootfizzle | Aww |
| 16:41.59 | Zootfizzle | I like you too so there! |
| 16:42.13 | VIad | I get it, the game music later was made into an album hence how AdRev got involved :P |
| 16:42.52 | VIad | what about timeline and such? if you release something before a company is involved, then they get involved, can they claim they own stuff from a video before the date they actually got involved in the said project? :P |
| 16:43.18 | Zootfizzle | Yes |
| 16:43.33 | VIad | looks funny on paper |
| 16:43.53 | Zootfizzle | I would go into a long detailed explanation, complete with examples, but I'm sure you'd find an edge case to further your argument |
| 16:44.02 | VIad | hehe |
| 16:44.10 | Zootfizzle | :D |
| 16:44.49 | VIad | if you make a game and later some studio joins in to make the end game music, technically they can claim music not even produced by them from earlier in the process by just saying "look we were into the project, this is our music too" |
| 16:45.38 | VIad | oh work time! |
| 16:45.44 | VIad | time flies when talking with Zootfizzle |
| 16:45.49 | VIad | btw Zootfizzle you are new here? |
| 16:45.52 | Zootfizzle | ROFL |
| 16:45.53 | Zootfizzle | Yes |
| 16:45.54 | VIad | I just don't remember you before |
| 16:45.54 | Zootfizzle | Very new |
| 16:45.55 | Zootfizzle | So new |
| 16:46.01 | VIad | really |
| 16:46.14 | Zootfizzle | No, not really |
| 16:46.30 | VIad | what is your wowi or curse name? |
| 16:46.36 | Zootfizzle | http://www.wowpedia.org/Zootfizzle |
| 16:47.01 | Zootfizzle | I still remember making that animated GIF |
| 16:47.19 | VIad | did you get drawn into irc regarding some taint issues with the ptr or? :P |
| 16:47.34 | End_ | haha, oh VIad |
| 16:47.45 | Zootfizzle | Some of my best friends hang out here |
| 16:47.51 | VIad | what End? :< |
| 16:48.09 | End_ | you really should visit that link that he gave you |
| 16:48.14 | Fisker | so no longer work for Blizzard Zootfizzle ? |
| 16:48.20 | Arrowmaster | you actually made that gif? somebody in the art department didnt make avatars for everybody? |
| 16:48.21 | VIad | I did visit it |
| 16:48.23 | End_ | he hasn't worked for Blizzard in years |
| 16:48.26 | Fisker | oh |
| 16:48.37 | Fisker | so that's why we can't not be allowed to automate glyphing |
| 16:48.39 | VIad | the wiki didn't say anything about current status :P |
| 16:48.56 | VIad | maybe "was" should have given it away |
| 16:49.14 | Zootfizzle | I'm sure if I had asked the art department could have come up with something, but I knew exactly what I wanted and a several month turn-around time for an animated GIF seemed lame |
| 16:49.27 | Arrowmaster | month!?! |
| 16:49.45 | End_ | obviously you're destroying some cogs |
| 16:50.02 | VIad | anyway going to work, cya later if you aren't dead by then from complaints |
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| 16:50.51 | Fisker | what do you do these days then Zootfizzle ? |
| 16:51.01 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: For superfluous stuff? seems reasonable. |
| 16:51.14 | Zootfizzle | What cog said |
| 16:51.25 | Fisker | cogwheel said stuff? |
| 16:51.29 | Zootfizzle | No |
| 16:51.31 | Zootfizzle | Somebody else |
| 16:51.34 | Zootfizzle | who is completely unrelated |
| 16:51.35 | Zootfizzle | said stuff |
| 16:51.51 | Fisker | but i like you |
| 16:51.58 | TC-work | ~lart Zootfizzle |
| 16:51.58 | purl | whacks Zootfizzle with a giant beaver's tail |
| 16:52.10 | TC-work | wait....is that a good thing or a bad? |
| 16:52.22 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 16:52.44 | Arrowmaster | that reminds me i need to ask my highschool friend whats up, seems he got moved from Bioware to EA proper |
| 16:52.55 | TC-work | So....a demotion? |
| 16:53.03 | Arrowmaster | i would consider it one yeah |
| 16:53.23 | Zootfizzle | Fisker: I run a computer repair business and I do software engineering on the side |
| 16:53.38 | Arrowmaster | Zootfizzle: sounds like you retired |
| 16:53.54 | TC-work | Even blizzard forums have to be better than that |
| 16:54.55 | Zootfizzle | Arrowmaster: More or less :) |
| 16:55.17 | Zootfizzle | It's hard to imagine working for a large company again |
| 16:55.27 | Lopeppeppy | I am reliably informed that my voice sounds like shit. There's a reason I haven't used the phone much in the last 2 days... |
| 16:55.42 | Fisker | how does shit sound? |
| 16:55.48 | Zootfizzle | Shitty. |
| 16:56.23 | Arrowmaster | haha yeah it really sounds like a demotion "Programmer - Bioware - SWTOR" to "Software Engineer - EA - EA Sports" |
| 16:57.06 | Zootfizzle | Oh god |
| 16:57.12 | Zootfizzle | Tell your friend to run |
| 16:57.18 | Zootfizzle | Run as fast and as far as he can |
| 16:57.33 | Adys | Arrowmaster: who's getting demoted? |
| 16:57.44 | Arrowmaster | Adys: highschool friend |
| 16:57.51 | Fisker | :( Arrowmaster |
| 16:57.52 | foxlit | With no first hand experience, doesn't EA Sports just put out the same games with a different number at the end every year? |
| 16:57.54 | Fisker | that sucks |
| 16:57.59 | Fisker | yes foxlit |
| 16:58.15 | Adys | foxlit: Something something guitar hero |
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| 16:58.46 | Arrowmaster | when he described his job to me before SWTOR was released, he was just doing basic internal tools programming in C# |
| 16:59.02 | Fisker | :/ |
| 16:59.18 | Arrowmaster | so going upto 'software engineer' is better, but damn EA Sports |
| 16:59.22 | TC-work | I wonder if that division will stick around since they got hammered for monopolizing franchise licenses or something. |
| 16:59.33 | Adys | Arrowmaster: Maybe a C# graph viewer to visualize how quickly their numbers fell. |
| 16:59.54 | Fisker | they should be hammered for ruining games TC-work |
| 17:00.05 | Zootfizzle | SW:TOR was a Massively Multiplayer Online Single Player Role Playing Game |
| 17:00.06 | Adys | my guild leader is weeping about having allowed a SWTOR section on our guild forum |
| 17:00.26 | Fisker | my old guild had like 25 ventrilo channels for swtor |
| 17:00.32 | Adys | Zootfizzle: Massively overhyped single player game |
| 17:00.34 | Fisker | or more |
| 17:00.59 | Adys | MOSPG, where Bethseda is King, and Bioware merely looks at the crown in envy |
| 17:01.09 | Zootfizzle | I miss Neverwinter Nights |
| 17:01.25 | Zootfizzle | It has a UI that doesn't remind me of WoW |
| 17:01.29 | Zootfizzle | There should be more games like that |
| 17:02.15 | Adys | I opened a (gasp) Tera stream the other day and was really confused at the graphics clashing with how the UI looked like some wow ui package |
| 17:02.18 | Fisker | games with addon that block automation of glyphing? |
| 17:03.14 | Adys | I get that wow's UI is familiar to a lot of mmo players but there's so much room for improvement if you're starting from scratch |
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| 17:03.18 | Zootfizzle | Fisker, if they let you use an addon to manage glyphs, that would make it less likely that uninformed people would use crappy glyphs |
| 17:03.24 | Zootfizzle | Thus rendering 90% of the glyphs useless |
| 17:03.32 | Zootfizzle | Hence, no automation |
| 17:03.37 | foxlit | the whole thing is bullshit |
| 17:03.43 | foxlit | You can only switch glyphs out of combat. |
| 17:04.20 | Fisker | that's not the point Zootfizzle |
| 17:04.31 | foxlit | framexml provides enough infrastructure to let user-initiated addons do virtually anything to the default UI out of combat. |
| 17:04.31 | Fisker | the point is that it has absolutely nothing to do with automation |
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| 17:05.14 | Zootfizzle | Don't get me started on the WoW development team and logical decision making |
| 17:05.17 | Zootfizzle | Just don't. |
| 17:05.51 | znf | Zootfizzle, it's a joke. |
| 17:05.56 | foxlit | besides, Fisker, it'd be much better if you switched your trolling to talents :) |
| 17:06.01 | Adys | znf: what is? The dev team? |
| 17:06.03 | Adys | (oooh.) |
| 17:06.08 | Fisker | no trolling foxlit |
| 17:06.11 | znf | that too, but Fisker's automation thingie |
| 17:06.14 | znf | get with the times |
| 17:06.19 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is an automaton. |
| 17:06.33 | Adys | znf: I would, but it's behind a paywall |
| 17:06.45 | Zootfizzle | znf: I'm already past my expiration date |
| 17:07.08 | foxlit | Problems with switching glyphs look like they could be fixed from an addon. Not so with talents. |
| 17:07.16 | Adys | Zootfizzle: I'd still keep you in the fridge for a week or two |
| 17:07.33 | Zootfizzle | Adys: My bacteria thank you |
| 17:07.53 | End_ | yeah, worse, I think individual talents are switched more often than glyphs are |
| 17:08.00 | foxlit | Hm, so I have this set of ~ 12k strings that I'd like to map to 32 integers. |
| 17:08.41 | Adys | I don't really get what the issue is; it's preventing addons from automatically switching glyphs and talents and such? |
| 17:08.57 | Adys | won't addons just... tell the player "switch this to this and that to that" instead? |
| 17:09.06 | Adys | like, idunno askmrrobot and what not |
| 17:09.22 | foxlit | For some reason I'm intent on not using a Lua table. Is there anything that'd generate an (almost) perfect hash function for me? |
| 17:10.07 | foxlit | Adys: that's not the problem. |
| 17:10.52 | pompy | WTB a /framestack for Windows. :o |
| 17:10.56 | Adys | What is then? |
| 17:10.57 | foxlit | Adys: the problem is that seemingly unrelated addons (those that do not have anything to do with talents/glyphs) somehow break the default talent/glyph UI to the point that a user who wants to switch two talents/glyphs of their own volition cannot do so. |
| 17:11.36 | Adys | pompy: wine :) |
| 17:11.41 | Adys | http://wiki.winehq.org/DebugChannels |
| 17:11.58 | Adys | it has a debug channel that gives you something similar |
| 17:12.13 | Adys | foxlit: Yeah I'm aware of the problem |
| 17:12.16 | Adys | it's the logic I don't get |
| 17:13.07 | Zootfizzle | Yay |
| 17:13.10 | Zootfizzle | I can has a happy :D |
| 17:13.18 | Zootfizzle | People still use /framestack |
| 17:13.34 | Adys | Some people stopped using it? |
| 17:13.36 | Zootfizzle | Good job me from 2008 |
| 17:13.46 | pompy | http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/MouseGetPos.htm hm |
| 17:14.14 | foxlit | Adys: I doubt it's intentional, so it's less logic and more tangentially related justification from a game designer taking questions on twitter. |
| 17:14.29 | Adys | foxlit: *blinks* |
| 17:15.19 | Zootfizzle | Adys: I stopped keeping track of how much of my code has survived a while ago, it's just a nice reminder |
| 17:15.52 | Zootfizzle | I wish somebody would rewrite the Achievement UI already |
| 17:16.03 | Adys | Zootfizzle: framestack was one of the first thing we implemented when writing a lua interface on top of our game |
| 17:16.06 | Adys | it's useful as hell |
| 17:17.07 | Zootfizzle | Pretty sure Iriel wrote the original code for DevTools, he's the man |
| 17:21.07 | Zootfizzle | Every time I think "that was a long time ago," I get "The Saga Begins" by Weird Al stuck in my head. |
| 17:21.15 | Zootfizzle | Time to put on some music |
| 17:22.03 | Zootfizzle | If I ever get around to finishing my degree then I'd love to work on Portal 4 or something |
| 17:22.21 | Zootfizzle | Guess I am kinda retired, heh |
| 17:22.41 | Adys | Zootfizzle: You should know Valve's franchises all stop at 3 |
| 17:22.49 | Arrowmaster | you mean 2 |
| 17:22.59 | Adys | Depends on your definition of stop. |
| 17:23.04 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 17:23.32 | Zootfizzle | It also depends on your definitions of 2, 3, and 4. |
| 17:23.50 | Arrowmaster | well those definitions depend on your definition of 1 |
| 17:24.11 | pompy | oh boy. |
| 17:24.26 | Adys | What you're saying is it depends what you're *based on* |
| 17:24.28 | Arrowmaster | what? do you expect better from us? |
| 17:24.31 | Adys | (get it? get it?!) |
| 17:25.00 | Arrowmaster | (you shouldnt expect better from us, this is what we do) |
| 17:26.08 | Zootfizzle | The original Half Life alone had three expansions |
| 17:26.29 | Zootfizzle | In the 90s that would have been 4 games |
| 17:26.48 | Arrowmaster | i can only think of 2 expansions |
| 17:27.05 | Arrowmaster | opfor and blueshift |
| 17:27.26 | Zootfizzle | There was also the PS2 only expansion |
| 17:27.27 | Zootfizzle | Decay |
| 17:27.41 | Arrowmaster | "PS2 only" doesnt count! |
| 17:27.53 | Zootfizzle | Somebody ported it to the PC in 2008 |
| 17:28.06 | Arrowmaster | why isnt it on steam then! |
| 17:28.40 | pompy | oh look at that |
| 17:28.44 | pompy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.48 | Adys | because your games counter is pretty close to overflowing and valve doesn't want to fix their shit Arrowmaster |
| 17:28.57 | pompy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life:_Decay |
| 17:29.34 | pompy | "In October 2005, work was begun by a group of Ukrainian developers to port Decay over to Windows, as a modification for both the old World Opponent Network and current Steam versions of Half-Life" |
| 17:29.40 | Arrowmaster | gearbox did all the halflife expansions |
| 17:30.09 | Arrowmaster | yes i have a blueshift cd case within reach that i checked |
| 17:30.34 | pompy | nice |
| 17:30.47 | Zootfizzle | I can't believe people are still getting paid for theoretical Duke Nukem games that will never sell |
| 17:30.53 | Zootfizzle | I am somewhat jealous |
| 17:31.25 | Adys | I cant believe I own DNF and never played it |
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| 17:32.11 | Zootfizzle | I think most people who own DNF never played it |
| 17:32.28 | pompy | <-- |
| 17:33.47 | Arrowmaster | i havent played it either |
| 17:33.53 | TC-work | I played it, hell I have almost beat it |
| 17:34.03 | TC-work | I enjoy a humorous game |
| 17:34.29 | Arrowmaster | i just havent had the time |
| 17:34.34 | TC-work | Which is why Giants: Citizen Kabuto is one of my all time favorite games. |
| 17:34.42 | Adys | http://www.stephenwolfram.com/publications/articles/computing/88-tablet/2/text.html |
| 17:34.45 | Adys | Well this is a fun read |
| 17:35.00 | Arrowmaster | dont link me stuff to read |
| 17:35.08 | Arrowmaster | im trying to get ready to goto an interview |
| 17:35.17 | Zootfizzle | Good luck! |
| 17:35.23 | Lopeppeppy | Breathe, smile, and relax, Arrowmaster. Good luck. |
| 17:35.30 | Adys | it's actually a lot more fun hearing people claim how accurate it is when they have not read further than the first page |
| 17:35.38 | Adys | . On one of the short sides will be a credit card sized slit, while the other three sides support a ridge with a slight reddish tint. TABLET is targeted toward the professional of the year 2000 who is willing to pay the equivalent cost of a microcomputer of today. |
| 17:35.44 | TC-work | Or you could just, you know, leave irc.... |
| 17:35.56 | Adys | Arrowmaster: what kind of job? |
| 17:35.59 | Arrowmaster | i never leave irc |
| 17:36.05 | Arrowmaster | Adys: help desk i think |
| 17:36.14 | Adys | good luck |
| 17:36.26 | Arrowmaster | they havent really given me any details other than asking me to come in |
| 17:36.29 | Zootfizzle | Adys: That document makes me wonder who Apple bribed to win their lawsuit |
| 17:36.48 | TC-work | I dunno if i would wish him good luck, that job sucks |
| 17:36.57 | TC-work | but then i hate people. |
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| 17:37.32 | TC-work | Space |
| 17:37.43 | Zootfizzle | I've always loved fixing people's computers |
| 17:37.44 | pompy | No |
| 17:37.45 | Arrowmaster | it does sound like it sucks, unless the pay/benefits are good i would rather do the contract stuff ive been offered |
| 17:37.57 | Zootfizzle | I never loved working for people who wanted me to fix other people's computers |
| 17:39.04 | Arrowmaster | ok im leaving now, gota clean the snow off my car |
| 17:39.17 | Zootfizzle | Adys: Did you read the part about cursive handwriting? |
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| 17:39.30 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/posts/471288936265573 simcity fans |
| 17:40.01 | Adys | Zootfizzle: Yeah I'm on it now |
| 17:40.07 | Zootfizzle | Swype is the new cursive |
| 17:40.23 | Zootfizzle | IMO |
| 17:40.42 | Zootfizzle | I love typing router with swype |
| 17:40.42 | Adys | there are some interesting ideas in there |
| 17:41.49 | Adys | "We can watch the bad guy being rubbed out on Channel 6 while the passion heats up on Channel 40" |
| 17:41.51 | Adys | Well I'm sold |
| 17:42.53 | Zootfizzle | This reminds me, they had styluses from China at the dollar stores here in Oregon |
| 17:42.59 | Adys | Along three sides of the box will be an infrared bar interface |
| 17:43.00 | Adys | ehehehe |
| 17:43.01 | Zootfizzle | I've never seen a dollar store sell out of anything so fast |
| 17:44.27 | Adys | Clip-on lightguide cables will be necessary to achieve data rates above 500 kbits/second |
| 17:44.32 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 17:44.51 | Adys | It's really amusing finding how dead on some ideas were and then that |
| 17:45.09 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 17:45.13 | Zootfizzle | Well |
| 17:45.20 | Zootfizzle | At least my toaster can communicate with infrared |
| 17:45.25 | Zootfizzle | Even if my tablet doesn't |
| 17:45.39 | Zootfizzle | Granted, my toaster pretty much just screams "AHHHHH" at everything |
| 17:45.48 | Zootfizzle | But that seems to make pretty good toast |
| 17:46.59 | Zootfizzle | "...and as a digitizing device for printed documents that remain in the year 2000." |
| 17:47.49 | Zootfizzle | They got the GPS part right! |
| 17:47.52 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:48.24 | Adys | and then it talks about lasercards. |
| 17:49.14 | Adys | it's kinda scary to think that this is from 1988 |
| 17:49.15 | Zootfizzle | "Finally, TABLET will be welcome news for romantics. The touchscreen and cellular link will conspire to transmit handwritten love letters anywhere in the world in seconds." |
| 17:49.27 | Zootfizzle | Sexting |
| 17:49.30 | Zootfizzle | Predicted in 1988 |
| 17:49.32 | Zootfizzle | Shocking |
| 17:49.34 | Adys | in the way that this is incredibly *recent* for some concepts that feel incredibly outdated |
| 17:50.05 | Adys | Communicating by infrared. |
| 17:50.08 | Adys | Puh. Cavemen. |
| 17:50.26 | Lopeppeppy | I communicate via cookies. |
| 17:51.16 | Adys | Filters can be used to eliminate unwanted junk mail. This will alter the face of advertising. Future advertising will be done by subscription---users wanting to keep up with new cars will let the industry know. |
| 17:52.09 | Adys | One would hope that from all the attention focused upon instruction sets in the RISC versus CISC debate a standard instruction set for general purpose computers will be established by the year 2000. |
| 17:52.10 | Adys | hahaha |
| 17:53.22 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 17:53.25 | Zootfizzle | I just read that myself |
| 17:53.40 | Zootfizzle | One would hope |
| 17:54.20 | Zootfizzle | They also thought massively parallel computers would exist by y2k |
| 17:54.45 | Zootfizzle | Be ubiquitous, even |
| 17:56.06 | Adys | he also predicted cloud computing. |
| 17:57.16 | Adys | Anyone could call up and use some section of this machine, paying for the time and number of processors used. |
| 17:58.14 | znf | Adys, so, render farms? ^^ |
| 17:58.32 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:58.32 | znf | like http://www.rebusfarm.net/ |
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| 17:59.11 | Zootfizzle | I suppose it would have been too terrifying to predict that many viruses of the future would exist primarily to enlist unwilling computers in said clouds |
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| 17:59.36 | Adys | http://www.stephenwolfram.com/publications/articles/computing/88-tablet/4/text.html |
| 18:00.40 | Adys | One interesting problem is who will appreciate all this new art? Some form of ''shareware video'' might arise. Other distribution channels will no doubt sprout up, but much of this art will be only for private consumption. An analogous situation already exists, as publishers have known for years that more people write poetry than read it. So it might be with shareware video. Just having a studio available does not make someone an artist. |
| 18:01.23 | Zootfizzle | Reminds me that programming is an art |
| 18:01.34 | Zootfizzle | Just having Visual Studio available does not make someone a programmer |
| 18:01.59 | cbreak | Yep. Real programmers would not use Visual Studio... |
| 18:02.17 | Zootfizzle | Real programmers are forced to compromise :P |
| 18:02.41 | cbreak | Yeah :( |
| 18:04.32 | Kaylin | real programmers... |
| 18:04.58 | Kaylin | http://xkcd.com/378/ |
| 18:08.10 | Dagmar | *snicker* |
| 18:08.11 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 18:08.29 | Dagmar | Linus Torvalds got three times more +1's than the Dalai Lama today carping about modelines and gtf |
| 18:09.19 | Zootfizzle | You mean Linus Torvalds is more popular on the internet than a religious figure? |
| 18:09.22 | Zootfizzle | Hard to believe. |
| 18:09.31 | Dagmar | Usually it doesn't pan out quite that way |
| 18:09.52 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/KindleFire/posts/397568480336801 |
| 18:10.02 | Zootfizzle | I'm sure if it were Facebook then the Llama would win. |
| 18:10.57 | Zootfizzle | pompy: Thanks for reminding me I need to buy and return another Kindle Fire HD |
| 18:11.07 | pompy | :O |
| 18:11.36 | Zootfizzle | Free Amazon Prime for a month, and my own personal screw you to Jeff Bezos for making people pay $200 to see shampoo ads every time they turn on their tablet |
| 18:14.23 | Adys | Zootfizzle: isnt it rootable? |
| 18:15.06 | Fisker | who doesn't want shampoo ads? |
| 18:15.09 | Fisker | it has the word poo in it |
| 18:15.21 | Dagmar | Fisker: The tablet stuff from Amazon is crap |
| 18:15.38 | Fisker | i bought a nexus 7 |
| 18:15.42 | Fisker | i vote with my wallet |
| 18:15.54 | Fisker | as in i fill out as many checkboxes as i can |
| 18:16.26 | Dagmar | The "free app of the day" from Amazon isn't worth it. You'll see. |
| 18:17.26 | pompy | game's not good? |
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| 18:17.44 | Zootfizzle | I bought a Nexus 7 as well |
| 18:17.51 | Fisker | highfives Zootfizzle |
| 18:18.20 | Zootfizzle | The worst part about Kindles is the stupid Amazon store |
| 18:18.59 | Adys | I thought the kindle could use the google play store too |
| 18:19.13 | TC-work | Zootfizzle: Why are you getting mad about a product you don't want? |
| 18:19.34 | Zootfizzle | I bought one before I realized what I was getting into, that's why |
| 18:19.42 | Zootfizzle | I returned it |
| 18:20.07 | Zootfizzle | Thus discovering my method of getting free Amazon Prime and venting my gnomish rage |
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| 18:20.43 | Zootfizzle | I really liked that it has a mini HDMI port |
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| 18:23.04 | Zootfizzle | Adys: They're rootable, but the bootrom is locked so it hasn't been easy to get other versions of Android to run on the new Kindles. I think you can sideload Google Play once you root the device, but jeeze that's a lot of effort for something that should be built in |
| 18:23.22 | Fisker | if people had google play |
| 18:23.27 | Fisker | noone would use their store |
| 18:24.01 | Zootfizzle | Amazon sells actual things that you can hold in the real world and use for various tasks |
| 18:24.15 | Zootfizzle | They don't need an uber profitable app store and it's ridiculous to think that they would ever have one |
| 18:24.31 | Dagmar | ...which is why it's clearly ever so important that they annoy the fuck out of people trying to buy virtual things from them. |
| 18:24.38 | Dagmar | ...to get them to go back to buying actual things. |
| 18:25.04 | Zootfizzle | They convinced me to buy used electronics from computer repair shops in my area when fixing things for customers |
| 18:25.35 | Zootfizzle | instead of buying said used electronics via Amazon |
| 18:25.55 | Jamashpad | I use old stuff from one person's PC to fix the next person's PC |
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| 18:26.29 | Zootfizzle | Same here, when I can |
| 18:26.53 | Jamashpad | I made a hybrid frankenputer out of an HP and a Dell |
| 18:26.55 | Zootfizzle | Did you know Mac Minis have a button on the motherboard that you can never press? |
| 18:27.07 | Zootfizzle | If you press the button on the motherboard then the computer will randomly crash forever |
| 18:27.15 | Jamashpad | rad |
| 18:27.43 | Jamashpad | serves you right for thinking you could fix an apple product, I guess? |
| 18:27.48 | Coote | what the hell is the purpose of that? |
| 18:27.49 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 18:28.01 | jnwhiteh | our mac mini keeps having graphics/kernel issues =( |
| 18:28.46 | Zootfizzle | Coote: The button is to be pressed once, and only once, during a specific part of their factory assembly process |
| 18:29.01 | Coote | Ahh. Interesting. |
| 18:29.05 | Jamashpad | That seems like a poor design |
| 18:29.07 | Fisker | thats what you get for using macs jnwhiteh |
| 18:29.26 | Coote | So, speaking of macs, and minis, what are peoples thoughts on the ipad mini? I just won one through Mac |
| 18:29.26 | Jamashpad | Fisker: that's what I said |
| 18:29.32 | Zootfizzle | That mac mini taught me never to buy a used computer from craigslist |
| 18:29.34 | Coote | *Mac|Life and TechRadar |
| 18:29.53 | Jamashpad | Iphone Macro |
| 18:29.56 | Zootfizzle | It looked perfectly fine, it even ran and passed all the tests and had upgraded RAM and everything |
| 18:30.06 | Zootfizzle | But someone had pressed the button of death |
| 18:30.10 | Zootfizzle | And there was no way to tell |
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| 18:30.39 | Zootfizzle | Coote: iPad minis are amazing when you win one |
| 18:30.52 | Coote | Everything is amazing when you win one! =D |
| 18:30.55 | Zootfizzle | :D |
| 18:31.32 | Lopeppeppy | They're good for personal use, but they don't meet state standards for online testing, so they won't ever be employed in school systems in NY. |
| 18:32.32 | Coote | they use tablets in schools these days? damn, maybe i should have been born at least a decade later. |
| 18:34.33 | Zootfizzle | For anyone who didn't win one, I'd say the iPad mini is an overpriced way to buy yourself into a DRM infested nightmare from which you'll never awaken |
| 18:34.43 | Lopeppeppy | Some schools are beginning to. and NY has a program of online standardized testing rolling out over the next 3 years that has specific software/hardware requirements that schools must provide. Chromebooks, laptops, desktops, tablets, whatever.... but there are specifications for each. |
| 18:35.10 | Zootfizzle | 1024x768 on an 8 inch display for $329? |
| 18:35.42 | Coote | I used to have 800x600 on a 15 inch display, and thought it was freaking awesome. Fun times. |
| 18:36.12 | Lopeppeppy | Why have a huge phone, or a tiny tablet? i'd never buy a mini, I don't see the niche need. |
| 18:36.33 | Zootfizzle | Apple is the company that came up with the idea of having way too many pixels for the screen |
| 18:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | But free has advantages for trying it out and then selling it onward. |
| 18:36.43 | Zootfizzle | I don't know why they would take a product in the opposite direction |
| 18:36.45 | Coote | There's an iPad 2 in the home right now belonging to another family member. I often use it for the Kindle app. Same resolution, but pretty sure it's sharper on that 8" screen. That's something at least. |
| 18:37.32 | Jamashpad | I'm on my mom's ipad w/retina and it's freaking amazing, at least in terms of screen quality |
| 18:37.42 | Unkle1 | I bought an iPad mini - makes an excellent ereader and media consumption device in a format that's easy to carry and is the only device on which I can currently buy books and music from every available online outlet. It was a little pricier than I would have liked. |
| 18:37.43 | Coote | As for the size, meh. Perfect size is probably between the full sized iPad and the mini. About 8.5" or so, I'd say. |
| 18:38.21 | Jamashpad | hey anyone here know anything about applying thermal interface pads to heatsinks? |
| 18:38.42 | Coote | I played with a Nexus 7 in the stores, and almost bought it, but wasn't impressed with the size. Felt a little akward, and just slightly too small for my hands. |
| 18:38.54 | Coote | Jamashpad: Very, very carefully. |
| 18:39.22 | Jamashpad | I can't get the plastic cover off one side ?_? |
| 18:39.44 | Jamashpad | the other side slides right off |
| 18:39.51 | Coote | You needs hands steadier than a brain surgeon's. Just a tiny bit of force, and you ruin the pad trying to get it out of the cover. |
| 18:39.57 | Zootfizzle | ^ |
| 18:40.01 | Jamashpad | yeah I know |
| 18:40.19 | Jamashpad | I'm trying to figure out how to do it right |
| 18:40.53 | Jamashpad | tweezers have so far not gotten me anywhere |
| 18:40.58 | Zootfizzle | I would use an exacto knife |
| 18:41.00 | Coote | I think you're supposed to try opening it like a bandaid. Get a corner of it apart, then slowly peel both sides at once. |
| 18:41.07 | Jamashpad | sigh |
| 18:41.24 | Jamashpad | was hoping to avoid razor blades |
| 18:41.42 | Jamashpad | but was thinking I'd probably have to go that route |
| 18:41.58 | Jamashpad | where's my exacto |
| 18:42.23 | Coote | Don't be let down. I tried using them once, ruined the one I had, and went right back to using thermal paste. |
| 18:43.26 | Zootfizzle | Well, in reality I would use a silver based thermal paste... |
| 18:43.31 | Jamashpad | I'd never use these if I didn't have to |
| 18:43.49 | Coote | Why do you have to use a pad? |
| 18:44.04 | Kaylin | so the processor doesn't get TSS |
| 18:44.14 | Jamashpad | Asus, in their infinite wisdom, left a 1.5mm gap between the copper heat spreader under the video card and the video card |
| 18:45.29 | Jamashpad | I'm using AS5 for the actual GPU and CPU to heat pipe interface |
| 18:46.31 | zenzelezz | http://i.imgur.com/j0jHeGh.jpg |
| 18:47.31 | Jamashpad | haha |
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| 19:13.36 | Jamash | note to self: actually set up RAID monitor to email mewhen bad stuff happens |
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| 19:14.27 | Jamash | been running an array on one drive for who knows how long |
| 19:14.45 | TC-work | I bet the system knows how long |
| 19:15.02 | Primer | right now I have a degraded software raid 5 |
| 19:15.23 | Jamash | that seems bad |
| 19:15.40 | Primer | I presume it's degraded because the performance is abysmal |
| 19:15.58 | Primer | but /proc/mdstat doesn't show any one drive being bad |
| 19:16.06 | Primer | yet dmesg shows sdd throwing all sorts of errors |
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| 19:16.22 | Jamash | so I look in /proc/mdstat and md2 is missing a drive |
| 19:17.05 | Jamash | and I look in /proc/partitions and say "...where's sda?" |
| 19:17.11 | TC-work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3scQ0wq5zLE uh....what? |
| 19:17.41 | Jamash | poked the drive cables, rebooted, all is well /shrug |
| 19:18.13 | Primer | what did dmesg have to say? |
| 19:18.20 | Primer | before you rebooted, obviously |
| 19:31.37 | Arrowmaster | back |
| 19:32.34 | Arrowmaster | and leaving again, just get in the house and get told i need to drive dad to dentist again |
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| 19:46.00 | Jamash | um, I dunno |
| 19:46.42 | Jamash | TC-work: awesome |
| 19:49.26 | karl_w_w | Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705OzYq7cXU |
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| 19:51.22 | Cairenn | awesome |
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| 19:54.25 | Jamash | KITTY |
| 19:54.51 | Kaylin | mrow |
| 19:55.10 | Jamash | ffft |
| 19:56.24 | Cairenn | ~emulate cairenn |
| 19:56.24 | purl | ACTION purrs |
| 19:56.32 | Jamash | haha |
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| 20:29.01 | Dagmar | Jesus christ |
| 20:29.13 | kd3 | that doesn't sound good |
| 20:29.14 | Dagmar | Something is very, very wrong with this "Cyber MMO" mouse NewEgg is about to put on sale |
| 20:29.24 | Dagmar | er cyborg |
| 20:29.55 | Dagmar | Someone needs to explain to those people the difference between an adjustable 52-in-1 circular saw workbench, and a fucking mouse |
| 20:30.03 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 20:30.04 | kd3 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826201003 |
| 20:30.05 | kd3 | gah |
| 20:30.15 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 20:30.45 | znf | my father's carpentery tools look less complicated than that mouse |
| 20:30.52 | Dagmar | I'm wondering where the weed goes in it |
| 20:33.46 | Coote | They probably got all potted up on weed when they designed it, that they forgot to put a place for it. |
| 20:35.41 | Dagmar | Seriously tho the hting makes a proto pipe look simple |
| 20:36.09 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure you could find a way to smoke weed using that mouse if you tried. |
| 20:38.01 | Mr_Rabies | mannnn |
| 20:38.07 | Mr_Rabies | my school's email has been down since monday |
| 20:38.35 | Dagmar | Uverse, huh? |
| 20:38.45 | Mr_Rabies | it would be nice if we had a decent IT department, but i guess that's the tradeoff for not getting gouged in fees |
| 20:38.59 | Mr_Rabies | they use office365/outlook or something |
| 20:39.10 | Mr_Rabies | they tried porting over from one service to another and something broke pretty hard |
| 20:39.12 | Dagmar | They should stop that madness and get you guys onto Google Apps for Educators |
| 20:39.19 | Mr_Rabies | also they didn't tell anyone they were doing it until they did it |
| 20:39.27 | Dagmar | Oh that's _very_ pro |
| 20:39.45 | Mr_Rabies | also roughly half the classes at this school are online and require student email |
| 20:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | to function |
| 20:39.54 | Dagmar | Major infrastructure changes should always be done in absolute secrecy so as to maximize the confusion and chaos |
| 20:40.00 | Mr_Rabies | and the semester just started |
| 20:41.03 | Mr_Rabies | like, they have course software, but some of it functions through email as well |
| 20:41.13 | Dagmar | Step #1: Fire everyone who doesn't know what "#!" means. |
| 20:41.27 | Dagmar | Step #2: Deploy LDAP infrastructure for local auth |
| 20:41.43 | Dagmar | Step #3: Call Google. Register with Apps for Educators. |
| 20:41.53 | Dagmar | Step #4: Change MX records to point at Google. |
| 20:42.04 | Dagmar | Step #5: Collect the paychecks of half the people you just eliminated. |
| 20:42.08 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 20:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | how full-featured is google's office suite now |
| 20:42.32 | Shadowed | Then when Google bans you because the algorithm decided you're actually a terrorist. Cry because you can't reach an actual human |
| 20:42.48 | Dagmar | shadowed: Doesn't happen with Apps for Educators |
| 20:43.11 | Mr_Rabies | they were pretty lacking compared to MS Office last i checked |
| 20:43.25 | Dagmar | This isn't about trying to replace the monstrosity that is Office |
| 20:43.30 | Mr_Rabies | and office365 includes web-based versions of most of the office programs for free to students |
| 20:43.41 | Mr_Rabies | and also cloud storage, etc |
| 20:43.43 | Dagmar | This is about getting rid of the abomination that is Outlook and letting students get their shit done |
| 20:44.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's the new outlook, not the outlook program |
| 20:44.23 | Dagmar | Yes, we have it here. |
| 20:44.25 | Dagmar | It's still crap. |
| 20:44.27 | Mr_Rabies | the web service they're calling outlook instead of hotmail, etc |
| 20:44.39 | Dagmar | They've made so little progress in the last fifteen years someone should be fired |
| 20:44.45 | Mr_Rabies | the only problem i've had with it so far is the outage caused by seemingly incompetent IT |
| 20:45.15 | Dagmar | The fun doesn't stop there. |
| 20:46.51 | Unkle | I think it's popular for a couple of reasons; 1) lots of universities get hardware from Dell, and Dell pushes the MS products. 2) You can manage Exchange with a pretty small staff with very minimal training - not well, but you /can/ and those lower costs make administrators cream their pants. |
| 20:47.25 | Unkle | No one ever considers the cost of something going horribly awry. |
| 20:47.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, all their hardware is dell |
| 20:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | dell's pretty much the best with those kinds of contracts |
| 20:50.11 | Unkle | I was with a university in Houston. Lots of schools there. Lots of them with patchwork solutions for IT needs. Rice, for example, has an independent IT team in every department who've all chosen different stuff for email, etc. They're patching together legacy systems from as far back at the 70s. Whereas the school I was at was one IT department, all Dell, MS and Oracle. |
| 21:02.50 | Ackis | pompy: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7708412910#1 :( |
| 21:03.51 | Ressy | :( |
| 21:08.10 | Coote | Ackis: I think that's just Blizzard's way of politely telling you it's time to reroll. |
| 21:08.34 | Ackis | never |
| 21:09.19 | Ackis | I rerolled once in Vanilla |
| 21:09.30 | Coote | Why not? You already has a nice Loladin. |
| 21:09.50 | Coote | Forum bastard mode, ACTIVATE! |
| 21:11.28 | Ackis | my pally was my first toon actually, I just play her for the lulz, I have no idea what I'm doing |
| 21:11.40 | Ressy | clcret |
| 21:12.05 | Coote | I think that accurately describes every pally in existence. Hit buttons when they light up, and collect phat lewtz. |
| 21:12.22 | Ackis | Ressy: that's what I use |
| 21:12.22 | Ressy | I have no clue with my pally either. lol.. She's my Miner/JC. ie, my money maker |
| 21:13.02 | Coote | only thing easier than paladin is warrior. i hit charge, then punch my keyboard, and collect loot. |
| 21:13.29 | Unkle | Warlock. |
| 21:13.34 | Ressy | no no.. Easiest right now, is disc priest. |
| 21:13.50 | Ressy | I refuse to faceroll, and I stay holy. |
| 21:13.52 | Unkle | Roll face on keyboard, Top meters, collect loot, win acclaim. |
| 21:14.19 | Coote | Don't you mean Mage, Unk? |
| 21:14.53 | Ressy | Took me a few days, but I finally figured out my fire mage. >.< I suck with dps other than spriest. |
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| 21:15.01 | Unkle | (I'm kidding. Playing Demonology and doing it well has a significant skill/learning curve - and I think I'm still on the lower slopes) |
| 21:15.02 | Arrowmaster | and im back again |
| 21:15.16 | Coote | All jokes aside, nothing is as faceroll as early wrath DKs were. You could seriously faceroll and still beat everything. |
| 21:15.44 | Semlar | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA3QLgoieNQ me facerolling on a dk |
| 21:16.21 | Semlar | don't worry it's like 20 seconds long |
| 21:16.39 | Ackis | oh hey, anyone here horde that is working on heroics that needs a disc/holy priest and a feral/resto druid? |
| 21:16.45 | Coote | It would be far more impressive if everybody else wasn't also capable of facerolling against a moonkin. =P |
| 21:16.52 | Arrowmaster | my interview went ok but the guy couldnt tell me anything concrete for prospects so i called the other firm and told them i would do the small projects in feburary |
| 21:17.39 | Semlar | he had ganked me earlier i figured i might as well try and fight back |
| 21:18.16 | Semlar | i had the bandage debuff because i had just rezzed |
| 21:18.26 | Ackis | I made a post on reddit that has almost 800 comments :( |
| 21:18.31 | Coote | he got what he deserved |
| 21:18.58 | Semlar | you remember when dks had a talent that let them come back as a ghoul |
| 21:19.27 | Coote | Yes, I do. A second chance to kill somebody if you somehow for whatever reason failed the first time. |
| 21:19.38 | Semlar | lol |
| 21:19.39 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: in /r/lol? |
| 21:20.02 | Coote | I also remember when DKs could combat res you as a ghoul. |
| 21:20.36 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i got 448 comments and 1226 upvotes from a /r/android post |
| 21:21.23 | Arrowmaster | Coote: they cant anymore? |
| 21:21.34 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: yeah in r/lol |
| 21:21.49 | Coote | It's a normal combat rez now, IIRC. |
| 21:21.51 | Semlar | arrowmaster: they changed it to a real battle rez |
| 21:22.22 | Semlar | which actually might be less useful with the limit on battle rezzes in some situations |
| 21:22.29 | Arrowmaster | how is that more fun |
| 21:24.55 | zenzelezz | <Arrowmaster> Ackis: i got 448 comments and 1226 upvotes from a /r/android post <--- let me guess, your post was "lul iphoen suxx0r" |
| 21:25.13 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: no |
| 21:25.30 | Semlar | it was a cat picture |
| 21:25.44 | zenzelezz | "lul winphone sux0r"? |
| 21:25.50 | Arrowmaster | it was a link to an app on sale during the 10cent sale |
| 21:26.24 | Arrowmaster | oh sorry, 25cent sale |
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| 21:34.53 | cbreak | how much would you pay for a magnet that can hold 190kg? |
| 21:37.19 | Unkle | but wait, there's more! We'll also include this set of steak knives with your paid order ABSOLUTELY FREE. |
| 21:38.48 | Semlar | http://i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/re-nest/kniferack082008.jpg this is what i'm picturing |
| 21:39.16 | Unkle | Semlar: I have one of those at home. |
| 21:40.51 | cbreak | http://media.supermagnete.com/photos/254x254/7211.jpg |
| 21:41.23 | foxlit | wow doesn't care if my .lua file is full of invalid utf-8, right? |
| 21:41.23 | cbreak | I considered buying a knife holding magnet, but I have ceramics knifes, so that'd not work |
| 21:41.36 | cbreak | foxlit: as long as it's inside a string literal it should not care |
| 21:41.56 | Semlar | wow doesn't give a shit, i've seen carbonite's code |
| 21:42.32 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/code.png ? |
| 21:42.46 | Semlar | your code looks tired |
| 21:43.02 | foxlit | it will take a nap. |
| 21:44.11 | foxlit | okay, no, it's actually http://www.go-hero.net/i/jvg-code.png |
| 21:44.20 | Semlar | are you just compressing it |
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| 21:44.33 | zenzelezz | foxlit: is that binary or something? |
| 21:45.59 | foxlit | zenzelezz: yes. |
| 21:47.55 | mikma | ban |
| 21:48.03 | Semlar | ana |
| 21:48.12 | mikma | nas |
| 21:49.11 | Semlar | banananas? |
| 21:53.23 | foxlit | those are common. |
| 22:05.40 | Arrowmaster | seriously what the fuck is it with getting multiple job offers at the same time after going months of nothing |
| 22:06.06 | Arrowmaster | i now have 3 offers i can pursue |
| 22:06.33 | durcyn | poor you..? |
| 22:07.04 | Humbedooh | comforts Awwowmaster |
| 22:07.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah poor me, the last one was getting called by an indian i could barely understand and got offered $12.50 an hour, vs the first offers $14 |
| 22:08.35 | Unkle | Mmm... Jobs. |
| 22:08.35 | Arrowmaster | and the indian has called me back because he wanted me to edit my resume and cant find where i made the edit |
| 22:10.36 | Arrowmaster | he wants to edit my resume, good luck thats why i send them as pdf |
| 22:10.57 | VIad | you scared Zootfizzle away |
| 22:11.02 | VIad | hey Semlar - hey do you got the ptr? |
| 22:11.05 | Arrowmaster | i did not |
| 22:11.08 | Semlar | yes |
| 22:11.18 | VIad | can you extract the dbc for me? :P |
| 22:11.26 | Semlar | maybe |
| 22:11.35 | VIad | how many curse points you want? :p |
| 22:11.48 | Arrowmaster | i spent a lot of time making my resume look just right, damn recruiters wanting to make changes to it |
| 22:11.48 | Semlar | you want all the dbcs? |
| 22:12.04 | VIad | if it's easy, if not I just wanna decode areaID/zoneID/mapID |
| 22:12.24 | Semlar | HR takes all the resumes and makes them look the same before they send it to whoever is reviewing applicants |
| 22:12.50 | durcyn | VIad: i was going to pull the latest dbcs for encounter journal stuff anyway, which file did you want? |
| 22:13.02 | VIad | if you are pulling all I'd like all lol :3 |
| 22:13.16 | Arrowmaster | if they want to do that shit then they should publish how they want them to look so i dont have to worry about their changes |
| 22:13.18 | VIad | in general I keep a folder with all those, just don't got the ptr installed atm |
| 22:13.40 | durcyn | yeah, i've got them all in a local git repo. gimme a minute to extract 16486 |
| 22:14.06 | VIad | WorldMapArea.dbc |
| 22:14.48 | VIad | durcyn: what mpqs do you use as a base when patching? |
| 22:14.49 | Semlar | Die Sturmbrücke |
| 22:15.04 | durcyn | VIad: for dbcs? locale |
| 22:15.18 | VIad | I mean you specify some MPQ to be "base" right? |
| 22:15.22 | VIad | like the core archive(s) |
| 22:15.24 | durcyn | yes, the locale mpq. |
| 22:15.31 | VIad | hmm |
| 22:15.34 | durcyn | in this case, data/enUS/locale-enUS.mpq |
| 22:15.50 | durcyn | and patch with data/enUS/wow-update-enUS-*.mpq |
| 22:16.00 | VIad | interface.mpq or misc.mpq both have dbc files too |
| 22:16.10 | durcyn | not the ones i care about =P |
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| 22:16.23 | Semlar | misc has dbc files that aren't localized |
| 22:16.34 | VIad | misc.mpq |
| 22:16.35 | durcyn | yeah, your worldmaparea isn't localized. |
| 22:16.39 | Semlar | interface doesn't have any dbc files |
| 22:16.44 | VIad | ye |
| 22:16.45 | VIad | misspoke |
| 22:17.08 | VIad | what if you use misc.mpq as base and patch with the locale and then the patches |
| 22:17.34 | Semlar | misc gets patched with the base patches |
| 22:17.37 | durcyn | yeah, i'm grabbing worldmaparea now. |
| 22:17.43 | durcyn | keep your damn pants on |
| 22:17.47 | VIad | I am :p |
| 22:17.52 | Semlar | the locale files have their own patches |
| 22:18.00 | VIad | oh I found my chat protocol sniffer code in my devtools folder |
| 22:18.16 | VIad | I remember when I had some fun with it back in vanilla :P |
| 22:18.56 | Semlar | i was looking at the client and there are like 4 different chinese locales? |
| 22:19.11 | Semlar | i don't know what the difference is |
| 22:19.19 | durcyn | four? should just be CN and TW |
| 22:19.44 | Semlar | maybe there's two major ones and each one has two separate versions |
| 22:20.09 | VIad | I found my voicecontroller program :D |
| 22:20.09 | Semlar | because there's two different english locales |
| 22:20.10 | cbreak | simplified & traditional? |
| 22:20.19 | VIad | used that to boost myself on the same machine - my alts had follow commands and such ;D |
| 22:20.39 | Semlar | enUS and enGB |
| 22:21.20 | Semlar | i can't actually read what the other locales are because they're in their languages |
| 22:21.37 | durcyn | VIad: http://pastie.org/5851301 |
| 22:21.59 | VIad | 934,1135,6716,"ThunderKingLootRoom",0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,-1,0,0,0x0,0,0, :P |
| 22:22.20 | Semlar | the map has no size |
| 22:23.06 | Semlar | i guess it could, some of the maps are in other files |
| 22:23.41 | Semlar | SetMapByID(934) |
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| 22:25.59 | VIad | IsleoftheThunderKing and IsleOfGiants |
| 22:26.37 | VIad | the zone I am looking for is called "Isle of Thunder" |
| 22:26.41 | VIad | what map of those two is it? |
| 22:27.24 | kd3 | the first |
| 22:27.25 | Semlar | 928 |
| 22:27.32 | VIad | thanks |
| 22:27.33 | kd3 | isle of giants is on the pandaria map |
| 22:27.41 | VIad | aha |
| 22:27.48 | VIad | what zone did they add this subzone in? |
| 22:27.53 | kd3 | north of kun-lai |
| 22:27.58 | kd3 | it's its' own zone |
| 22:28.00 | VIad | does it look as silly as the zone they added in icecrown? :P |
| 22:28.00 | Semlar | it's not a subzone |
| 22:28.03 | kd3 | yes |
| 22:28.08 | Semlar | nothing in worldmaparea is a subzone |
| 22:28.19 | kd3 | points at the wiki, with handy maps |
| 22:28.58 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/VZ-Isle_of_Giants.jpg / http://wowpedia.org/VZ-Isle_of_Thunder.jpg |
| 22:29.28 | Semlar | are these supposed to have images on them |
| 22:29.39 | kd3 | >.< |
| 22:29.47 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/File:VZ-Isle_of_Giants.jpg / http://wowpedia.org/File:VZ-Isle_of_Thunder.jpg |
| 22:30.03 | Semlar | >_> |
| 22:32.17 | Semlar | if it's in worldmaparea it means it has an actual map associated with it |
| 22:32.30 | Semlar | i think |
| 22:34.15 | Semlar | the ones you see in the world map in-game |
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| 22:38.01 | VIad | does it look silly on the padnaria map? :P |
| 22:39.24 | Amarande | heh, here's a strange glitch |
| 22:39.25 | Semlar | no |
| 22:39.38 | VIad | good |
| 22:39.50 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you should be in #steamlug, Alram just found something good |
| 22:39.53 | Amarande | apparently, if you kill Kael'thas in MGT before he has a chance to even begin casting gravity lapse (not really too difficult to do, if you're an arcane mage with a haste rather than mastery focused itemisation ... heh) |
| 22:40.04 | Amarande | he'll just stand there at 1HP and keep spamming fireball forever |
| 22:40.04 | Semlar | although their highlight for isle of thunder is in the wrong place |
| 22:40.15 | Amarande | at least till you interrupt him, then he goes to his death speech and keels over :p |
| 22:40.52 | VIad | be glad you CAN kill him when he iis like that :3 |
| 22:41.03 | Arrowmaster | kd3: halflife1 for linux |
| 22:41.11 | Alram | (and osx!) |
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| 22:41.43 | Arrowmaster | i really wish they would do portal2 next though for linux |
| 22:42.14 | Amarande | VIad: yeah, I get the feeling that you're just screwed if your class/spec doesn't have a proper interrupt :S |
| 22:42.26 | Amarande | (although how many specs are there that can't interrupt, hmmm) |
| 22:42.35 | VIad | is there one class with spec that has no interrupts? |
| 22:42.58 | Semlar | resto druid can't interrupt without shifting |
| 22:43.24 | Semlar | vlad: http://i.imgur.com/YAZWHeu.jpg |
| 22:43.30 | kd3 | ! |
| 22:43.56 | VIad | I see - I ask because the icecrown addition of that small daily subzone was on the edge :P |
| 22:44.09 | Semlar | isle of giants is north of kun-lai summit |
| 22:44.10 | VIad | littearly could see the end of the world map when standing near the water on it :D |
| 22:45.03 | Semlar | the highlight for isle of thunder goes over the top of the map title bar |
| 22:45.40 | Amarande | oh, btw, does 5.2 fix the elemental force glitch? |
| 22:46.49 | Amarande | given that it looks like it's going to be my go-to enchant in most cases, I'd like to know :) |
| 22:48.43 | Semlar | vlad: http://i.imgur.com/IX1iijQ.jpg this was one of my old screenshots showing how the island didn't line up with the map |
| 22:48.51 | VIad | :d |
| 22:50.04 | VIad | you think it overlaps now? |
| 22:50.10 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 22:50.13 | Amarande | (currently, Elemental Force procs are credited to no one, not even the player who has the enchanted weapon, literally Recount says "No One" ... it's not normally important, but if you go after low level mobs it can bug out your ability to loot them) |
| 22:50.30 | Semlar | it probably does since they changed what it looks like on the map |
| 22:50.47 | Semlar | they completely changed the shape of the island too |
| 22:50.57 | VIad | Amarande: you sure its not a recount bug? |
| 22:51.18 | Semlar | although.. it does kind of look like the one they have for the isle of giants |
| 22:51.37 | smcn | it's not, if you look at the combat log it just says "elemental force deals x damage to target" where everything else says "your whatever deals x damage to target" |
| 22:51.58 | Amarande | smcn: also it's been confirmed that mobs that happen to die solely from the proc damage fail to be lootable |
| 22:51.59 | VIad | sounds like a serious bug if you ask me :P |
| 22:52.15 | Amarande | VIad: heh, probably isn't really considered one |
| 22:52.21 | kd3 | the "old" zandalari isle is now the isle of giants. the new zandalari isle was remade from scratch |
| 22:52.31 | Amarande | since I doubt Blizz cares if you fail to get credited on the DPS meter for about 1-2k of your DPS |
| 22:52.34 | kd3 | s/zandalari isle/isle of thunder/ |
| 22:52.43 | Semlar | how can the mob die from the proc without you hitting them |
| 22:52.52 | VIad | no but I mean when you make a spell proc another, it's nice to have the proper credit when it procs :P |
| 22:52.57 | Amarande | and the "can't loot" glitch only happens if you go back to old world |
| 22:53.22 | Amarande | even then rarely, because you'd need to somehow get a situation where only the proc does damage, and that damage one-shots the mob |
| 22:53.48 | TC-work | http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1700760/jj-abrams-star-wars-episode-vii.jhtml |
| 22:53.49 | Amarande | (not quite sure how you could do that, except maybe against a mob with an elemental immunity where the regular hit does 0 and then the proc hits, since it always goes by the weakest resistance) |
| 22:54.07 | Amarande | actually, wait, I can think of a way |
| 22:54.22 | VIad | stop making up reasons why blizzard are innocent |
| 22:54.24 | Semlar | if they have an immunity that wears off |
| 22:54.44 | VIad | they forgot to make the proc a part of the players casts and they should fix it |
| 22:54.47 | durcyn | TC-work: http://i.imgur.com/NV1T7wl.jpg |
| 22:54.50 | Amarande | Semlar: I was thinking a DoT class, since the first tick doesn't come till a few seconds after the dot lands, the proc would be the first damage to trigger |
| 22:55.21 | Amarande | if the proc one-shots the mob, you never got any damage in from the DoT itself and therefore you can't loot |
| 22:55.28 | Semlar | would the application of a dot trigger the proc? |
| 22:55.43 | Amarande | Semlar: atm, it probably does, since it seems to be also glitched in another related way |
| 22:56.00 | Amarande | specifically, it's NOT been triggering on ticks, which means it's probably only being checked for when you connect with a spell |
| 22:56.18 | nevcairiel | since i really like the new star trek movie (and the trailers to the upcoming one look great too), i think its a good choice =p |
| 22:56.35 | VIad | new star trek coming? |
| 22:56.45 | VIad | that might be good news |
| 22:56.48 | TC-work | Be interesting to see the same person directing....competitors? |
| 22:57.01 | nevcairiel | i never really saw it as competition |
| 22:57.07 | TC-work | maybe more like a sibling rivalry |
| 22:57.42 | VIad | Beyonce Knowles lip-syncs a pre-recorded version of the National Anthem at Barack Obama's second-term inauguration. True or false? |
| 23:00.27 | VIad | (btw, halflife1 downloading update? LOL) |
| 23:09.11 | kd3 | true, vlad |
| 23:10.51 | Amarande | hm. |
| 23:10.51 | VIad | lol:P |
| 23:10.59 | VIad | watching the episode now about that, lipsync xD |
| 23:11.05 | Amarande | will it even be worth putting jade spirit on an epic from the current tier, come to think of it ... |
| 23:11.10 | Amarande | or really ever, for that matter. :| |
| 23:12.41 | Amarande | let's see. Elemental Force enchant, less than 100g at best and a bit under 300g at the worst |
| 23:12.47 | Amarande | Jade Spirit enchant ... 8000g *ulch* |
| 23:13.29 | smcn | yeah it's especially dumb when you see everyone complaining about having to d/e so much raid loot |
| 23:13.37 | smcn | why are sha crystals still so expensive then |
| 23:13.58 | Amarande | smcn: probably because of the circumstances of loot |
| 23:14.26 | Amarande | large amounts of DE'd epics at this point only come from dedicated guild groups, because you only get that on Normal and Heroic raids, not Raid Finder |
| 23:16.17 | Amarande | those guilds then may or may not put significant numbers of the crystals on the market rather than save them for their own use (like, say, said jade spirit enchants so guild members don't have to burn themselves out on farming money to afford stupidly expensive 8000g) |
| 23:17.40 | Amarande | meanwhile, for those not in a normal or heroic raiding group, how often do you really get sha crystals? |
| 23:18.34 | Amarande | heroics don't drop them that often, valor points don't exactly grow on trees to the point of being able to grab random valor epics to DE, you can't get epics for JP (yet), and the only time any unusable epics in Raid Finder get DE'd is if they're won by someone who personally has Enchanting |
| 23:19.30 | Amarande | we'll probably see the price drop once epics percolate down into justice points and people find nothing else to do with their JP besides buy stuff to shard |
| 23:20.03 | xyphoid | so what you're saying is things are working great |
| 23:20.10 | Amarande | oh, speaking of that. in 5.2 do you still get valor for mainland Pandaria dailies, or will that be changed to justice? |
| 23:24.27 | smcn | according to ptr.wowhead.com it's still valor |
| 23:25.08 | smcn | of course that data might rely on people actually doing the quests on the ptr, not sure how it's collected these days |
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| 23:26.15 | Amarande | xyphoid: what I was more noting is if it's *ever* really worth it to get jade spirit |
| 23:26.27 | Amarande | unless you're either gold out of the ears rich or you actually have a heroic raid weapon |
| 23:27.15 | Amarande | (and if you are gold out of the ears rich. do you have the new yak and the crafted mounts yet? no? then you're probably not really gold out of the ears rich LOL) |
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| 23:32.49 | VIad | Jon Stewart likes to say Tuiasosopo :P |
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| 23:47.56 | foxlit | hm, pastebin doesn't like my code. |
| 23:49.19 | Primer | Does it contain the word "viagra" in it? |
| 23:49.41 | foxlit | not as far as I noticed |
| 23:50.33 | Primer | I have my own pastebin. After a while I had to add rules that would limit things like URLs, the word "viagra", "penis", etc. |
| 23:50.57 | Primer | And look! Someone just recently spammed it too |
| 23:53.09 | foxlit | oh no, Coda. |
| 23:53.19 | foxlit | Why do you run the syntax highlighter in the UI thread? |
| 23:54.06 | Primer | Moi? |
| 23:54.11 | Primer | hehe |
| 23:54.21 | Primer | Sounds like eclipse |
| 23:54.31 | Primer | I hate it when the UI thread hangs |
| 23:54.40 | Amarande | heh, surprised eclipse hasn't had its popularity sink like a stone lately :S |
| 23:55.00 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/temp/lhc << there we go. |
| 23:55.03 | Primer | People writing plugins just have no clue |
| 23:55.22 | Primer | wtf, you pasted a bunch of binary |
| 23:55.26 | Primer | no wonder it hates it |
| 23:55.29 | Amarande | Eclipse is the Java based one, right? |
| 23:55.33 | Primer | yes |
| 23:55.46 | Amarande | yeah, that's why I'm surprised it hasn't lost oodles of userbase recently |
| 23:55.55 | Amarande | due to the fact that Oracle just can't seem to get this security bug righted :S |
| 23:56.18 | Primer | security concerns don't affect eclipse |
| 23:56.23 | foxlit | Primer: I totally promise that it's code? :) |
| 23:56.29 | Amarande | apparently this one is such a doozy that experts are actively discouraging Java in general, though |
| 23:56.31 | Primer | at the end, sure |
| 23:56.42 | Amarande | a lot of people are even suggesting to uninstall it altogether. :| |
| 23:56.44 | Primer | but you have a bunch of binary in there |
| 23:57.08 | Primer | They're paranoid |
| 23:57.13 | foxlit | I'm told it's valid language syntax. I guess their server gets offsended at \0 in POST data? |
| 23:57.42 | Primer | I'm guessing it hates anything that doesn't conform to text |
| 23:57.45 | Primer | "text" |
| 23:58.01 | Primer | Considering that browsers can't specify the encoding when posting, IIRC |
| 23:58.09 | Primer | well |
| 23:58.25 | Primer | it can specific if it's an octet-stream (i.e. binary) |
| 23:58.33 | Primer | but I'm guessing the handler isn't expecting binary |
| 23:58.47 | Primer | or better written: non-text |
| 23:59.14 | foxlit | I'd character-escape it, but that defeats the point. |
