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| 00:29.37 | Cairenn | http://themetapicture.com/pat-me-human-yes-like-this/ |
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| 00:41.39 | cogwheel | omnomnom http://www.meatweek.com/cities/sanfrancisco |
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| 01:06.03 | smcn | so what's the deal with every single addon throwing errors about compactraidframes? |
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| 01:20.47 | durcyn | it's not every single addon. it's blizzard's awful ui trying to call :Show on them repeatedly. |
| 01:21.21 | durcyn | same as MultiActionBars. |
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| 01:31.23 | Stanzilla | durcyn will fix it soon |
| 01:33.15 | durcyn | there's nothing to fix so long as hiding default ui elements causes taint |
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| 01:49.39 | Stanzilla | I'm sure you can make it |
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| 04:15.04 | Adys | good god |
| 04:15.39 | Adys | i dont think theres been anything constantly plaguing me more than kde's fucking dependencies have =/ |
| 04:38.38 | kd3 | hm |
| 04:38.46 | kd3 | 244 of 11,957 songs uploaded... |
| 04:39.09 | kd3 | I suspect this is going to take a while |
| 04:39.59 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.13 | kd3 | no |
| 04:50.54 | kd3 | tbh I'm not actually sure it's going to happen. I already got pushed back a few weeks |
| 04:55.41 | Adys | https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kwin-standalone-git/ |
| 04:55.44 | Adys | alright there we go |
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| 05:39.06 | karl_w_w | http://www.sexparty.org.au/ best thing ever? |
| 05:41.50 | Thunder_Child | I would say no |
| 05:42.07 | karl_w_w | but it's called sex party |
| 05:42.14 | karl_w_w | what could be wrong with a sex party? |
| 05:43.44 | pompy | "Adult shops around the country are reporting one of the best Christmas sales periods since the Global Financial Crisis with sales up 20% on last year. " |
| 05:43.45 | pompy | lol |
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| 06:15.39 | Fisker | why are you upload to kd3 ? |
| 06:16.32 | Fisker | uploading* |
| 06:18.12 | bluspacecow | y not |
| 06:18.19 | bluspacecow | *uploads porn to kd3* |
| 06:30.25 | karl_w_w | kd3 is my samba share |
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| 06:36.18 | karl_w_w | sets up a samba share and calls it "kd3" |
| 06:37.10 | karl_w_w | fabricates long and thrilling tale about the successes and failures of kd1 and kd2 |
| 06:37.31 | pompy | bluspacecow: http://nerdreactor.com/2013/01/17/new-zealand-first-party-leader-wants-56-million-from-the-hobbit-to-go-back-to-new-zealand/ |
| 06:37.47 | bluspacecow | *throws flowers on the graves of kd1 & kd2* |
| 06:37.51 | bluspacecow | *sniff* |
| 06:38.31 | bluspacecow | ahhh winston peters up to his old tricks |
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| 06:59.34 | karl_w_w | you can't teach an old trick new dogs |
| 06:59.57 | Semlar | not with that attitude |
| 07:01.05 | Fisker | pls bluspacecow |
| 07:01.06 | Fisker | i meant what |
| 07:01.07 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:03.00 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 07:26.18 | karl_w_w | hell yes I just got retweeted by a sitting MP |
| 07:26.38 | karl_w_w | has achieved the highest level of fame he will ever reach |
| 07:26.52 | bluspacecow | sitting MP ? |
| 07:26.56 | bluspacecow | what he sitting on ? |
| 07:27.24 | Dagmar | The bourgeoise |
| 07:27.38 | karl_w_w | he is sitting on the division of Lyne, according to wikipedia |
| 07:27.47 | karl_w_w | I don't know who Lyne is. |
| 07:28.02 | bluspacecow | *gasp* |
| 07:28.05 | bluspacecow | that fat bastard |
| 07:38.59 | Fisker | karl_w_w |
| 07:39.20 | Fisker | does that mean you will kill yourself in order to avoid a paradox if you are about to reach a higher level of fame? |
| 07:43.22 | Mr_Rabies | fisker, on a scale of one to fisker how fisker are you |
| 07:43.50 | bluspacecow | briskery fisker |
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| 07:49.27 | karl_w_w | yes it does Fisker |
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| 08:15.19 | karl_w_w | awesome, my ISP just broke |
| 08:15.26 | karl_w_w | ~ping |
| 08:15.26 | purl | ~pong |
| 08:15.42 | karl_w_w | still connected here ftw |
| 08:16.18 | bluspacecow | ~pong |
| 08:16.19 | purl | ~ping |
| 08:16.31 | bluspacecow | ~poutine |
| 08:18.04 | haste | might just have been dns karl_w_w ! |
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| 08:49.55 | karl_w_w | nah the radio stream i was listening to dropped out and i was DCed from wow |
| 08:50.19 | karl_w_w | and trace to 8.8.8.8 was showing rampant packet loss |
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| 09:14.16 | karl_w_w | anyone want to give me a crash course in changes from lfr to normal on last 3 HOF bosses? |
| 09:15.39 | Maldivia | could always read the dungeon info pages? |
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| 09:20.57 | Fisker | i'm rich |
| 09:21.09 | Fisker | if i fill out this html file i'm getting back like 150€ in taxes |
| 09:21.35 | Fisker | and i think it's legit because it's sent from skat.dk (but really skat.com) |
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| 09:26.44 | Kalroth | omg fisker |
| 09:28.00 | bluspacecow | fiskery fisker |
| 09:28.17 | bluspacecow | work tiems |
| 09:39.25 | Fisker | yep Kalroth |
| 09:39.27 | Fisker | i'm rich |
| 10:00.48 | Cairenn | Burn After Reading is one very odd fucked up movie. That is all. |
| 10:02.25 | karl_w_w | yes it is Cairenn|afk |
| 10:04.19 | Maldivia | there are many movies that are "very odd fucked up" |
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| 14:45.55 | smcn | do battle pets retain their level when you cage them? |
| 14:56.46 | SinusPi | No, they lose a few, depending on the rest of your team I believe. |
| 14:57.16 | SinusPi | So if you cage a 24 using a team of 21s, it gets dropped to like 20 or so. Ballpark figures, I'm sure it's more precise than that. |
| 14:57.21 | karl_w_w | they lose like 3 levels if they are over level 20 |
| 15:04.01 | smcn | sorry, i meant if you cage a pet you own |
| 15:04.08 | smcn | to trade |
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| 15:12.37 | karl_w_w | i think it stays same level |
| 15:21.19 | Dagmar | It does. |
| 15:21.37 | Dagmar | Capturing weakens them. Throwing them in a box and giving them to someone else doesn't affect them. |
| 15:21.51 | smcn | thanks |
| 15:22.12 | Dagmar | SinusPi: ...and they lose two levels if over 15, three if over 20. The level of your own team doesn't affect that. |
| 15:22.49 | Dagmar | I'm probably about a week away from 300 rares at this point |
| 15:26.22 | Dagmar | I'm just glad that Aki the Chosen is as "hard" as the trainer battles get, because it's bullshit. |
| 15:27.33 | Dagmar | I'm just not going to bother fighting her anymore when she opens with the dragonling |
| 15:28.01 | Dagmar | it results in the same situation that is the reason they're nerfing the fluxfire feline, i.e., things stacking that shouldn't. |
| 15:29.52 | smcn | i beat her with the same team i used all the way through the other quests, but i think i got lucky. clockwork gnome/harbinger of flame/chuck |
| 15:30.23 | Dagmar | You did get lucky |
| 15:30.46 | Dagmar | If the dragonling goes first, it'll always start an electrical storm at some point |
| 15:31.10 | Dagmar | That stacks on the critter cricket's stampede attack, and does twice as much additional damage per wave as the thing itself does |
| 15:31.25 | Dagmar | ...which means you're looking at one of your pets being two-shot |
| 15:31.48 | smcn | oh yeah that, it goes great with clockwork gnome turrets though, mechanical damage bonus + extra damage every shot |
| 15:31.54 | Dagmar | ...and then the last pet is going to use survival to get in two more attacks at the end of the fight no matter what |
| 15:32.24 | Dagmar | smcn: Yep that would work alright, but anyone not using a three-hits-per-round attack is kinda screwed |
| 15:32.25 | smcn | i don't think i ever got the stampede combo |
| 15:32.41 | smcn | it did take me 2 tries |
| 15:32.48 | Dagmar | if the dragonling opens, expect the cricket will be her second |
| 15:32.53 | foxlit | the critter usually goes first. |
| 15:33.10 | Dagmar | Skill takes a backseat to luck |
| 15:33.38 | smcn | tbh i'd rather fight her than fish for friggen spinefish alpha |
| 15:33.41 | Dagmar | I'd like to say "usually" but I fought her nine times last night and it seemed more like 2/3 dragonling |
| 15:33.42 | foxlit | You could bring a pet with a weather ability |
| 15:33.56 | foxlit | Or a stun. |
| 15:34.26 | Dagmar | A stun wouldn't undo the weather change, and since those are legendary anything you bring that doesn't have a type advantage is going to get pwned |
| 15:43.16 | karl_w_w | http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-01-15/gina-the-chimp-only-wants-to-watch-porn-and-us-humans-are-rather-fond-of-it-as-well/ |
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| 16:00.56 | Arrowmaster | almost 2 weeks later i get a response to this other job enquirer on a national holiday telling me to contact their office to setup an interview |
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| 16:18.31 | smcn | lol |
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| 16:27.16 | karl_w_w | wait, wasnt blizzard's reasoning behind not being able to make lesser charms of good fortune a currency straight away that they couldn't make currencies lootable? |
| 16:28.07 | Fisker | don't be mad haste |
| 16:28.19 | Fisker | no karl_w_w ? |
| 16:28.23 | Fisker | why would it be that? |
| 16:28.26 | Fisker | that's silly as hell |
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| 16:28.36 | Fisker | currencies are items |
| 16:28.50 | karl_w_w | I don't remember, there was some reason like that |
| 16:29.08 | Fisker | don't think so |
| 16:29.16 | Fisker | currencies are items |
| 16:29.21 | Fisker | that argument makes no sense |
| 16:31.49 | karl_w_w | you make no sense |
| 16:36.30 | bluworkcow | Dollars |
| 16:36.34 | bluworkcow | make dollars not cents |
| 16:41.32 | Fisker | ok karl_w_w |
| 16:41.33 | Fisker | mad? |
| 16:43.30 | Jammer | karl_w_w: are they making charms drop from something? |
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| 16:45.57 | Fisker | don't bother |
| 16:46.00 | Fisker | it's a mess |
| 16:58.03 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/By9tPxf |
| 17:00.17 | bluworkcow | *adds a stick of TNT at the front* |
| 17:02.06 | foxlit | I wonder if there are convenient upper bounds for order statistics. |
| 17:03.16 | bluworkcow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7709121348 |
| 17:03.19 | bluworkcow | not sure if serious. |
| 17:04.00 | foxlit | i.e. if N people toss fair coins until one lands tails, how many coins does the last person to finish toss? |
| 17:07.21 | Dagmar | One. |
| 17:09.38 | foxlit | s/one lands tails, how many coins does the last person to finish toss/their coin lands tails, how many times does the last person to finish toss a coin/ |
| 17:10.06 | foxlit | Dagmar: satisfied? |
| 17:10.56 | Dagmar | Still once. |
| 17:11.55 | foxlit | that sounds like a non-answer. |
| 17:12.03 | Dagmar | Nope, it's an engineer's answer. |
| 17:12.04 | Kaylin | hardly, their coin lands after one toss |
| 17:12.21 | Kaylin | dagmar is just picking at words |
| 17:12.33 | foxlit | Kaylin: I believe the word "tails" is still there. |
| 17:12.33 | Dagmar | Mathematicians will drop the coin due to trying to both toss the coin and masturbate over statistics at the same time. |
| 17:13.02 | bluworkcow | *throws the coin away* |
| 17:13.15 | bluworkcow | *cocks his Magnum .68 sidearm* |
| 17:13.24 | bluworkcow | *shoots someone to even out the silly odds* |
| 17:13.30 | Dagmar | Good plan. |
| 17:14.09 | Dagmar | Also easier when you draft the spec so that all coins land on tails, always. |
| 17:14.15 | Dagmar | Military style. |
| 17:15.22 | Dagmar | Sort of like how tanks made of aluminum are always able to take direct hits without catching fire. |
| 17:16.34 | Dagmar | A pessimist would simply say "They never stop flipping coins." |
| 17:17.04 | Dagmar | Security engineers give you many possible answers until you just let them do their job as they see fit. ;) |
| 17:17.41 | Kaylin | do they flip their coins at the same time? |
| 17:18.09 | foxlit | yes. |
| 17:18.48 | Fisker | kill him bluworkcow |
| 17:18.56 | Fisker | should be legal |
| 17:19.21 | foxlit | If you amend "the last person to finish" to mean "the person who tosses the coin the most times", it does not matter. |
| 17:21.38 | Kaylin | isn't this just time to the nth success / n |
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| 17:24.24 | karl_w_w | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/01/cant-buy-a-nexus-4-hack-an-lg-optimus-g-into-one-instead/ I really tole dem Fisker |
| 17:24.30 | karl_w_w | I tole dem gud. |
| 17:24.39 | Fisker | no? |
| 17:25.14 | foxlit | Kaylin: is it? It seems hard to interpret that way -- a single iteration may result in multiple successes, and the probability distribution for the number of successes in a single iteration varies based on the number of past successes. |
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| 17:31.13 | Fisker | man |
| 17:31.19 | Fisker | news already gave up |
| 17:31.27 | Fisker | were busy whining over java |
| 17:31.37 | Fisker | fix was out for like 1 day before it was discovered it wasn't fixed |
| 17:31.48 | Fisker | now they gave up reporting on this new and exciting hole in java! |
| 17:31.55 | Fisker | because that doesn't happen every month |
| 17:37.16 | Fisker | so haste |
| 17:37.18 | Fisker | are you rich like me? |
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| 17:49.28 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/A6kEWCw.jpg |
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| 18:06.14 | Thunder_Child | how rich are you Fisker? |
| 18:08.03 | Fisker | like triple digit euro rich |
| 18:08.29 | Thunder_Child | nice |
| 18:08.36 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:08.38 | Fisker | tax returns ftw |
| 18:08.44 | Fisker | just have to fill out this html document |
| 18:09.44 | Iriel | Fisker: When you say "triple digit" do you count the 2 digits after the decimal point? |
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| 18:10.05 | Fisker | nope Iriel |
| 18:10.12 | Fisker | i even got it twice |
| 18:11.30 | Fisker | so i guess that much mean i get to use it twice |
| 18:11.34 | Fisker | all by filling out this html document |
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| 18:14.12 | karl_w_w | triple digits? I have 20 digits! |
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| 18:44.10 | Cairenn|afk | Arrowmaster: cute |
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| 19:12.50 | ccox | "CD Content: Chinese/Engrish PDF manual" --- at this this time they're honest about it |
| 19:31.31 | zenzelezz | =D |
| 19:35.40 | Maldivia | question is - manual for what? Or more importantly, for the same thing as it's packaged with? |
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| 19:44.28 | haste | Fisker: y |
| 19:49.27 | Fisker | OK |
| 20:00.34 | Fisker | do you have danske bank haste ? |
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| 20:31.49 | Jamash | sup d00dz |
| 20:32.29 | Jamashpad | lappy still broken |
| 20:32.43 | Jamashpad | borrowing an ipad :-/ |
| 20:33.06 | Unkle | iPad/tablets in general aren't so great fir typing. |
| 20:33.10 | Jamashpad | nope |
| 20:33.28 | Jamashpad | it's better if you turn off autocorrect though |
| 20:33.46 | Unkle | I should probably do that on mine. |
| 20:33.52 | Jamashpad | you should |
| 20:34.01 | xyphoid | i dunno, i irc on the tablet without autocorrect and it's kind of appalling |
| 20:34.19 | Unkle | My typing in general is sort of appalling. |
| 20:34.24 | Jamashpad | well you should be able to spell first |
| 20:34.43 | Jamashpad | if not then you're just plain screwed |
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| 20:50.06 | Jamashpad | Fisker. |
| 20:50.14 | Fisker | why? |
| 20:50.19 | Jamashpad | Why so sirius? |
| 20:51.52 | Fisker | why not? |
| 20:52.00 | Jamashpad | oh typing of which let's see if dictation works |
| 20:52.42 | Jamashpad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.47 | Jamashpad | yep |
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| 21:55.36 | kd3 | wow. valve's actually *promoting* the linux beta |
| 21:55.38 | kd3 | http://store.steampowered.com/about/ |
| 21:57.34 | Kalroth | gasp |
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| 22:07.01 | Primer | Only problem is they think Ubuntu is the only Linux distro |
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| 22:17.38 | Elkano | do they? or is it rather a "if you haven't heared about Linux before, take this and just have a look" (in contrast to "pick one out of THESE LOTS") |
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| 22:18.22 | Primer | I see they have a Fedora repo |
| 22:18.36 | Primer | But I'm on Fedora 16, which is old |
| 22:19.40 | kd3 | well, you're about out of time. f16 goes eol in ~3 weeks |
| 22:21.59 | End_ | dammit lua |
| 22:22.04 | End_ | I meant to look up metaclass |
| 22:22.07 | End_ | but I wrote metatable |
| 22:36.22 | Gnarfoz | n |
| 22:36.28 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Q3Lxe8i.jpg :[ i can only rotate these textures 90 degrees in game |
| 22:36.38 | Semlar | there goes that idea |
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| 22:41.22 | haste | Fisker: no |
| 22:47.48 | Primer | Semlar: What's the limiting factor? |
| 22:48.23 | Primer | Semlar: I thought you could rotate an image any way you wanted to, at least from the "doable" perspective. |
| 22:48.24 | Semlar | since they aren't square if you try to rotate the texture by something less than 90 degrees it just breaks it |
| 22:48.57 | Semlar | at least i can't get it to work |
| 22:49.14 | Primer | Is that a combination of textures? |
| 22:49.28 | Semlar | yeah |
| 22:49.38 | Amarande | hmmm. are there any good addons like factionsfu that work well with MoP? |
| 22:49.51 | Amarande | I've been using Ara Broker Reputations, which normally works pretty well, except: |
| 22:50.35 | Amarande | 1) can't select a faction with sub-factions from the broker menu (it'll collapse/expand the subfactions instead), annoying for things like tillers and anglers where there's individuals under them so they're considered subfactions |
| 22:51.03 | Amarande | 2) it doesn't display the reps with individual people correctly, it tries to figure them out as a point along the usual neutral->exalted divisions |
| 22:51.23 | Mr_Rabies | what did factionsfu do? |
| 22:56.04 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, it doesn't -exactly- replicate functionality but gazmik fizzwidget's factionfriend is pretty cool for tracking faction stuff |
| 22:56.08 | Maldivia | Semlar: trigonometry is your friend :P |
| 22:56.50 | Semlar | well if you can figure out how to rotate a non-square texture without it cutting parts of it off let me know |
| 22:57.53 | durcyn | Amarande: i was considering patching in friendship display support to sexyreputation, do you know if there's a function to determine which standing overlay to use? |
| 22:58.40 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/7RvT5KSv this is what i'm currently using |
| 22:58.48 | Maldivia | Semlar: find the center, get the corners position based on that center, turn the texture by calculating the new corner positions using sin/cos on the angle you want to rotate with, use new corner coordinates for the SetTexCoords |
| 23:01.41 | Amarande | durcyn: I'm not quite sure how that works. :S |
| 23:01.56 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: had current tracked faction status on the Fu/Broker bar |
| 23:02.04 | Amarande | and mouse over it would show all your factions |
| 23:02.10 | Amarande | and let you click to change tracked faction |
| 23:02.25 | Amarande | Ara Broker Reputations is the successor, but hasn't been updated for things like MoP individual NPC reps |
| 23:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | ah, well, broker: xp bar has a faction bar thing as well |
| 23:02.41 | Amarande | so you get silliness like say 6000 into Stranger is shown as 3000 Friendly |
| 23:03.04 | Amarande | Guild Friends is still updated, but it seems not the other Ara Broker addons |
| 23:04.20 | Maldivia | Semlar: ok - been way too long since I've played with SetTexCoords to rotate anything :) |
| 23:05.30 | Maldivia | Semlar: http://nerdheaven.dk/~the_real/wow/mod/LineDrawClock.zip <-- that's the last time I played with it (making an analog clock), and that's back in 2006, heavily based on code by Iriel :) |
| 23:06.00 | Mr_Rabies | lol, just hit enrage timer on the first boss fight in terrace lfr |
| 23:06.26 | Iriel | Semlar: The biggest "rotation" problem with SetTexCoord is that you're still projecting into a rectangle |
| 23:06.56 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/G63MKZ6.jpg 85 degrees, 60 degrees http://i.imgur.com/xBJFk5P.jpg |
| 23:07.10 | Semlar | brb |
| 23:07.22 | Amarande | heh, enrage timers |
| 23:07.34 | Amarande | they're still using those I see ROFL |
| 23:07.41 | Iriel | Semlar: Have you played with the animation rotation instead? |
| 23:07.47 | Iriel | Semlar: that's probably what you want to be using |
| 23:07.56 | Amarande | that's one of those MMORPG design elements that always just makes me shake my head. :) |
| 23:08.04 | Iriel | Since that changes the object -> screen mapping, not the screen -> texture mapping |
| 23:08.18 | Maldivia | yeah - otherwise you would have to rotate the individual textures + calculate new positions for them |
| 23:08.32 | Iriel | Amarande: as opposed to what, the boss saying "You guys bore me" and leaving? |
| 23:08.45 | Mr_Rabies | they're a form of difficulty Amarande, forcing a timer on a boss kill |
| 23:08.50 | Iriel | Semlar: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Rotation |
| 23:09.33 | Mr_Rabies | lol i remember why i stopped running lfr now |
| 23:09.38 | Amarande | Iriel: as opposed to tuning the boss so that there's only so long a party can hold out based on the mechanics, rather than a simple "oops you're dead" timer |
| 23:09.59 | durcyn | that's still a soft enrage, Amarande, the functional difference between it and a hard enrage is, well, nothing. |
| 23:10.04 | Amarande | consider, say, Gruul vs. Brutallus |
| 23:10.12 | durcyn | some semantics for your pedantics, pal |
| 23:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | there's a place for soft enrages, sure |
| 23:10.18 | Amarande | durcyn: yeah, it's really a matter of elegance :) |
| 23:10.23 | Mr_Rabies | but they're really not all that different |
| 23:10.27 | Mr_Rabies | i hate soft enrage fights myself |
| 23:10.30 | Iriel | Amarande: that's a nice idea, but I think an enrage is there as a 'safety valve' in case there's a stalemate style situation the designers didn't anticipate |
| 23:10.30 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad not every fight is one |
| 23:10.30 | Amarande | some entire games make their whole boss experience out of soft enrages, really |
| 23:10.39 | Amarande | Xenosaga 2 is a good example |
| 23:10.47 | xyphoid | boss fights are already incredibly artificial, i don't mind a mix of enrages |
| 23:10.59 | Amarande | you basically have to blitz bosses because most bosses have such horrendously OP attacks at low HP that the only way to deal with them is to *not let them actually have turns at low HP* |
| 23:11.02 | Iriel | though I guess it's an easy out if they can't be bothered to optimize it 8-) |
| 23:11.34 | Amarande | Mind you, there's a place for hard enrages, but really more in the sense of fights where it's "kill the boss before it _____" |
| 23:11.42 | Amarande | (e.g., Izbelah from Icewind Dale 2, or Sin's head from FF10) |
| 23:12.10 | Amarande | or, of course, any of the countless Odin fights from FF heh |
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| 23:12.55 | durcyn | please get swallowed by the earth, Amarande. |
| 23:13.18 | Amarande | As for the other "shake my head" MMORPG design element, it would be the universal reliability of CC skills and stuns |
| 23:13.24 | Maldivia | ehe - I can't think of Icewind Dale 2, without thinking of the track "Blinded by the Light", since I at one point had that track stuck on loop while playing the game :P |
| 23:13.46 | Amarande | See, I got into RPGs via AD&D. There, CC skills were always based on a saving throw and you always had to consider the possibility of them failing. |
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| 23:14.14 | Amarande | (on the other hand, they were also truly OP, because a physical attack against a CCed target in the Gold Box games in particular was a one-shot-kill, and moreover, *even if the target was normally entirely immune to your weapon*) |
| 23:14.45 | Amarande | in MMOs, on the other hand, it is standard for stuns and CC to be never-fail, and in fact if a game started out with any kind of resistance ability against them, said ability is generally removed in a patch later on (I believe both LOTRO and WoW did this during their history) |
| 23:14.58 | Mr_Rabies | you can't mix and match game mechanics between genres |
| 23:15.09 | Amarande | basically, what's the reason for making CC much more reliable in an MMO than a solo RPG? |
| 23:15.29 | Mr_Rabies | for example: if the way to kill deathwing was simply shooting him in the head, i don't think many people would enjoy that very much |
| 23:15.52 | Mr_Rabies | also, using jrpg design as any kind of pinnacle of game design is probably not a great idea in general |
| 23:16.10 | Mr_Rabies | especially a turn-based one |
| 23:16.15 | Amarande | yeah, that's why I'm emphasising the AD&D games as well |
| 23:16.24 | Semlar|Laptop | you can use the animation widget to just rotate an entire frame and make it stop at a certain point? |
| 23:16.38 | Mr_Rabies | AD&D is a very different game genre than an mmorpg, as well |
| 23:17.10 | Maldivia | Amarande: or like any fight in BG2 was "find and kill the damn mage before he casts Time Stop" -- wouldn't really want that in an MMO :) |
| 23:17.53 | Iriel | Semlar: To an extent, I believe so. Bear in mind that the actual frame (with respect to clicks and stuff) hasn't moved. And that clipping rects and stuff are based on the source not the target. |
| 23:18.10 | Mr_Rabies | different genres benefit in different ways from different mechanics |
| 23:18.18 | Mr_Rabies | often, the mechanics help define the genre |
| 23:18.42 | Semlar|Laptop | this is just for display purposes so it won't matter if you can't interact with it |
| 23:19.31 | Iriel | Give it a try - I haven't used the animation stuff much myself, I just know how some of the "interesting problems" w.r.t. rotation got solved. |
| 23:20.20 | Semlar|Laptop | i'll try it when i get back |
| 23:21.21 | Semlar|Laptop | i have played with the animation widget before but not for this |
| 23:24.03 | Amarande | yay, gruul's done, & got both a leg and shoulder token |
| 23:24.14 | Amarande | Maldivia: you were able to keep the mage from casting Time Stop? :) |
| 23:24.21 | Amarande | usually the first three rounds consisted of dispelling this that and yadda |
| 23:24.45 | Amarande | interestingly, too, those mages of horribility weren't really first introduced in BG2. you have Dark Queen of Krynn to thank for that idea :D |
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