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| 00:10.53 | Amarande | ugh, Firefox is back to blocking the java plugin except for whitelisted sites |
| 00:11.08 | Amarande | even with update 11, and even though update 11 actually already has "do you want to run this app?" confirmation enabled by default |
| 00:14.10 | A-KO | one of the many reasons I hate Mozilla |
| 00:14.13 | A-KO | and people who use their shit :P |
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| 00:20.53 | Amarande | A-KO: actually, blocking insecure Java plugins has become a more and more common thing |
| 00:21.00 | Amarande | some of the recent vulnerabilities have been quite brutal |
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| 00:32.35 | Amarande | Apple has actually been blocking it much more aggressively for a longer time than any Windows program, since they had that big fiasco with ... dammit, what was that malware called |
| 00:34.29 | Kaylin1 | just disables java in browsers and uses it for desktop apps only. |
| 00:35.39 | Amarande | Kaylin, how do you use rich Internet applications, then? |
| 00:37.04 | Shadowed | is that sarcasm |
| 00:37.34 | Amarande | Shadowed: more pondering about the future of the Internet as a versatile, multiplatform tool |
| 00:37.40 | Shadowed | so no |
| 00:37.49 | Amarande | Flash is in its twilight years (and Adobe's even stopped supporting it already on some platforms) |
| 00:38.06 | Shadowed | HTML5 is basically the future of multiplatform tools |
| 00:38.14 | Shadowed | Java/Flash were always terrible stopgaps |
| 00:38.22 | Amarande | what platform exists for such applications that's not limited to certain system platforms, besides Java? |
| 00:38.24 | Shadowed | they just happened to get really popular so they stuck for a long time |
| 00:38.36 | Amarande | things like Silverlight, ActiveX, etc. are only available on specific OS |
| 00:38.58 | Amarande | (there's Moonlight, but it's really far behind and doesn't support important stuff like DRM - e.g. Netflix - at all) |
| 00:40.57 | Amarande | Shadowed: is HTML5 capable of handling the gamut of things that Java/Flash are used for now? |
| 00:41.24 | Shadowed | Not for a few years, but it's going to be the future more so than Java/Flash |
| 00:41.28 | Amarande | my web development skills are rather limited. I can do the bare basics of CSS, but I tend to make very plain no-frills basic HTML pages heh |
| 00:41.43 | Amarande | ah |
| 00:41.59 | Amarande | see, the thing that occurred to me is that if Java starts to be considered too rickety for web developers to rely on |
| 00:42.16 | Amarande | it might have serious consequences for traditional desktop platforms, and for browser-only platforms like Chromebook |
| 00:43.12 | Amarande | because if HTML5's not ready enough for primetime, moving away from Java means either using platform-specific browser mojo like ActiveX/Silverlight, or it means moving to purpose-built apps for everything (thus, even further traction for the mobile-type paradigms, which are usually very walled garden except for Android) |
| 00:43.15 | Shadowed | Java/Flash were always shitty options, because they are maintained by one company with (sometimes) questionable compatibility and security model. |
| 00:43.29 | Shadowed | And originally, neither were even made for web browsers |
| 00:43.43 | Shadowed | which is 99% of the security issues you run into |
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| 00:46.02 | Shadowed | a lot of cases where you see people using something like Flash are basically as a shoehorn due to HTML5 lacking some portion of compatibility right now |
| 00:46.11 | Shadowed | like Grooveshark using Flash to play audio, but having a full HTML5 UI otherwise |
| 00:47.22 | Amarande | Shadowed: also, legal matters (which are going to be quite onerous once HTML5 expects the browser/OS to support things natively) |
| 00:47.31 | Shadowed | eh? |
| 00:47.33 | Shadowed | what legal matters |
| 00:47.39 | Amarande | Shadowed: the most difficult one being the patent encumbrance of H.264 video in the USA |
| 00:48.03 | Shadowed | H.264 is basically what browsers support, as well as some alternatives |
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| 00:48.42 | TC-work | http://blog.dev001.net/post/40681591705/x-org-use-your-android-tablet-as-a-graphics-tablet nifty |
| 00:48.50 | Amarande | Shadowed: only closed-source browsers, really |
| 00:48.54 | Shadowed | uhh |
| 00:49.05 | Amarande | Shadowed: the way it gets supported on open source browsers like Firefox is actually via the Flash plugin |
| 00:49.16 | Amarande | once that goes away and the browser is expected to natively support it, that becomes an issue |
| 00:49.17 | kd3 | fx only hooks into OS libraries - it doesn't natively support h264 |
| 00:49.38 | Amarande | since in the USA, it's pretty much impossible to do it legally, as it's so badly patent encumbered that no FOSS foundation is going to be able to afford the demanded fees |
| 00:49.43 | Shadowed | Firefox recently announced h.264 support |
| 00:49.48 | Shadowed | natively |
| 00:50.08 | Amarande | all platforms? even ones like Debian Linux where everything has to be open sourced? |
| 00:50.14 | Shadowed | actually looking at it again |
| 00:50.24 | Shadowed | yea it's based on native stuff |
| 00:50.42 | Shadowed | I don't pay attention to firefox now and days |
| 00:50.58 | Amarande | yeah, H.264's probably the biggest issue (maybe MP3 audio, but those patents are IIRC due to expire a lot sooner) |
| 00:51.02 | Shadowed | well no |
| 00:51.05 | Shadowed | IE is actually the biggest issue |
| 00:51.27 | Amarande | right now, it's kind of buffered because of Flash, which supports it, and most sites that use H.264 typically are coded to fall back to the Flash plugin support if the browser hasn't got native support |
| 00:51.28 | Shadowed | Pretty much every new fancy toy available in browsers is only available as of the last 1 - 2 years reliably |
| 00:51.33 | Shadowed | whereas flash/java have been around for 10+ |
| 00:51.41 | Shadowed | these things take time |
| 00:51.51 | Shadowed | quite a lot of progress has been made, but it's not going to happen overnight |
| 00:52.16 | Shadowed | especially when browsers have only recently moved to a more accelerated release schedule in the last couple of years if at that |
| 00:52.48 | Amarande | and in the case of H.264 it's not even an implementation matter (there's things like x264 outside the USA), it's more how individual software producers handle the patent situation |
| 00:53.18 | Amarande | from what I've read, H.264 is a brutally expensive patent to licence, with annual fees, and such fees in the multi-million dollar range |
| 00:58.53 | Amarande | Shadowed, the world would be a much better place if software patents were considered bogus everywhere, right? :) |
| 00:59.46 | bluspacecow | r |
| 00:59.48 | bluspacecow | raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:59.51 | bluspacecow | RADISH! |
| 00:59.53 | Kaylin | ge |
| 01:00.08 | Kaylin | you no take turnip, you take carrot instead |
| 01:00.13 | Kaylin | or w/e |
| 01:00.16 | Kaylin | maybe that's backwards |
| 01:00.18 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 01:01.55 | Amarande | yeah, I think that's backwards |
| 01:02.02 | Amarande | virmen like carrots and seem to hate turnips for some reason |
| 01:02.06 | Dagmar | They're terrified of turnips |
| 01:02.24 | Dagmar | That throwable turnip is still handy at 90 |
| 01:03.02 | bluspacecow | the turnip is a most awesome weapon |
| 01:10.15 | Amarande | I think mine's rotting in my bank, if I didn't vendor it (wait, you can't vendor it, can you?) |
| 01:11.42 | Dagmar | It's great. You throw it even when you're being swarmed by the little bastards and they scatter. |
| 01:13.07 | Amarande | I really don't fight virmen very often lately though, except for the individual ones that pop up from wiggling crops and occupied soil :S |
| 01:13.17 | Amarande | now if it worked on hozen, I'd be a happy camper :P |
| 01:13.35 | Dagmar | The hozen might escalate, and I think we're all thankful they don't fling poo. |
| 01:14.01 | Amarande | LOL, have you ever played "Poo", speaking of that? |
| 01:14.07 | Amarande | I almost picked up the game at Dragon Con this year but ended up not buying it |
| 01:14.10 | Dagmar | o.O |
| 01:14.31 | Amarande | heh ... Poo is this hilarious card game where the players all take the roles of monkeys. and what do monkeys do at each other? |
| 01:14.37 | Dagmar | Euw |
| 01:24.55 | Neffi | ? "beautiful code wallpapers" -> 30 wallpapers suitable for geeks -> 30 apple logos in high resolution |
| 01:24.58 | Neffi | sighs. |
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| 01:37.15 | Adys | GOOD GOD |
| 01:37.17 | Adys | KWIN IS AWESOME |
| 01:37.21 | Adys | why must it depend on kde. |
| 01:37.49 | Arrowmaster | you are just now figuring this out? |
| 01:38.01 | Arrowmaster | ive never used it but knew it was really great |
| 01:38.02 | Adys | No, i just noticed it is a lot more awesome than i thought |
| 01:38.10 | Adys | i used it a lot |
| 01:38.14 | Adys | i miss it so damn much |
| 01:38.32 | Adys | im setting up my laptop for my fosdem talk and i put kwin on it |
| 01:38.34 | Adys | and daaaamn |
| 01:39.02 | Arrowmaster | you are talking at fosdem? |
| 01:39.10 | Adys | about razor yeah |
| 01:39.27 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 01:44.36 | kd3 | oh, god. blizz~ |
| 01:44.41 | kd3 | "On Her Magic-ey Secret Service" |
| 01:44.43 | kd3 | groans |
| 01:45.02 | bluspacecow | lololol u mad ? |
| 01:45.12 | kd3 | just groaning |
| 01:49.11 | bluspacecow | oh lol blizzard |
| 01:49.23 | bluspacecow | "reputation with guild decreased by 5762" |
| 01:49.33 | bluspacecow | on my alt that hasn't been in a guild for months |
| 01:49.56 | Torhal | glues bluspacecow to Amarande. |
| 01:50.03 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 01:50.13 | bluspacecow | Torhaly Torhal |
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| 01:57.30 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: This is what you get for sexting up the guild leader's husband |
| 01:57.40 | Dagmar | For SHAME! |
| 01:57.46 | bluspacecow | b-b-b-b-b-but |
| 01:58.03 | bluspacecow | this on my alt that has not been in a guild for months |
| 01:58.11 | Dagmar | I wonder if there's a way to parlay that into KoS status. |
| 01:59.28 | Aelo | wondered if anyone knew how the item tooltips are generated on the PTR when you have the ilvl increase buff for raid testing |
| 01:59.51 | Aelo | if anyone could shed some light on it, would be helpful :) |
| 02:27.01 | Neffi | Somebody came up with an exponential function for calculating stat increases to good accuracy, but not perfectly |
| 02:27.10 | Neffi | i don't have the link on hand though =( |
| 02:27.44 | Semlar | aelo do you want to know how to calculate the stats or just get the tooltip |
| 02:28.09 | Aelo | either would be fine |
| 02:28.27 | Aelo | just need the stats, but if the tooltip part is possible that'd be easier :) |
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| 02:29.42 | Semlar | as long as you have the buff every item you have appears to get scaled |
| 02:30.13 | Aelo | aye, i need to see the scaled stats whilst raid testing isn't active :( |
| 02:30.39 | Semlar | oh, well the tooltip is just set the same as it is normally so that wouldn't help much |
| 02:31.20 | Aelo | i was hoping there might be some arg in the itemString or something, but nothing worked |
| 02:31.40 | Aelo | so unless i'm missing something, it must pull the stats directly from the server every time? |
| 02:31.46 | Semlar | the amount of each stat an item gets is determined by which slot it's in and its item level |
| 02:32.05 | Semlar | and yeah it has to query the server for item tooltips |
| 02:32.12 | Neffi | Is it just me, or has there been a noticeable upturn in Horde population since MoP? |
| 02:32.13 | Semlar | they get cached locally after that |
| 02:33.00 | Aelo | ah ok - do you know where i could find that function Neffi mentioned above? |
| 02:33.26 | Amarande | Neffi: doesn't look like it, realmpop is still saying there's a very slight (we're talking recent U.S. Presidential election popular vote proportions here pretty much) Alliance majority overall in WoW |
| 02:33.59 | Neffi | I wish I had saved it. He graphed stat increases on PvP power and used spreadsheets to figure out a linear function that modeled them to within less than 1% error |
| 02:34.00 | Amarande | It probably just seems that way because on the ultra-high pop PvP servers, generally there's that massively slanted Horde:Alliance ratio |
| 02:34.13 | Amarande | I think Tich and Mal'Ganis in particular are both over 10:1 to Horde |
| 02:35.03 | Neffi | Wowhead displays scaled tooltips, but it may be caching them instead of calculating them |
| 02:35.09 | Amarande | meanwhile, the high pop servers that have a large Alliance slant don't have quite as extreme of one (the largest such slant seems to be on Kel'Thuzad, but even that's only about ... 8:1, I think?) |
| 02:35.19 | Neffi | see if you can find a formula in their javascript, or see if you can find a Wowhead dev to ask |
| 02:35.42 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=271406&postcount=12 |
| 02:35.43 | Aelo | cheers, will do |
| 02:36.18 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure every slot gets a different value and it's different for each stat |
| 02:36.48 | Amarande | Semlar: speaking of that, is there any sane way for a caster in particular to gear for challenge modes without having to do extensive reforging just for CMs? |
| 02:37.08 | Semlar | iunno |
| 02:37.29 | Neffi | Well it's definitely different for each stat, because the function I'm talking about wasn't modeling armor correctly, only spellpower and pvp power |
| 02:37.34 | Semlar | i don't have an active account |
| 02:37.57 | Amarande | given that once you're in epics, your gear will get scaled *down* to 463 for the challenges, and unless you overgear terribly beyond the hit cap (which is UTTERLY useless normally, the only classes that get any benefit at all from being over the normal "hit cap" are dual wielding physical classes) |
| 02:38.35 | Amarande | you're going to have your hit rating scaled down too, resulting in having a miss chance again (which seems it would be especially bad in challenge modes because lost DPS there matters more when it's all about time taken) |
| 02:39.31 | Neffi | hit rating should be exempt |
| 02:39.56 | Aelo | so is it only "mult" that would change per slot/stat, or exp too? |
| 02:40.06 | Neffi | i get why they scale, but if people WERE in 463 gear they would reforge for hit. so are people going to start overcapping hit to compensate in challenge modes? |
| 02:41.08 | Semlar | the modifier should definitely change per slot |
| 02:41.18 | Semlar | and per stat |
| 02:41.35 | Semlar | i'm not sure about the exponent |
| 02:44.12 | Amarande | bwuh. I'm going to have to go combat during the outland levels on my rogue aren't I |
| 02:45.22 | Semlar | i tell you what, i'm not really a math guy but i'll try and see if i can work something out |
| 02:45.57 | Amarande | mainly, trying to figure out how I'm going to get ahold of suitable daggers during that level range |
| 02:46.11 | Amarande | it seems like at least 99.9% of outland daggers are spellpower :( |
| 02:46.58 | Neffi | my rogue alt just hit the outlands levels, and he's doing very well with sub |
| 02:47.05 | Neffi | then again he has all heirlooms with the best enchants on them |
| 02:47.30 | Neffi | IMO if you're playing a physical class, it's always worth getting at least weapon heirlooms |
| 02:51.00 | Aelo | that function seems to work well, thanks :) |
| 02:52.25 | Neffi | How do you rogues do raids? |
| 02:52.38 | Neffi | It's so damn boring, I'd rather spend my rogue's time collecting obscure transmog |
| 03:04.08 | Amarande | yeah, sadly I rerolled on Ysera mid 2012 and never got around to doing enough cata heroics to accumulate enough JP before MoP hit and I needed the JP for MoP |
| 03:04.37 | Amarande | so I don't really have ready access to any heirlooms besides the helm/cloak/pant sets that are bought from the guild vendor with gold |
| 03:04.47 | Amarande | (which my rogue alt actually *does* have all of already) |
| 03:05.26 | Neffi | Well, the pvp dagger is slightly better for mainhand anyway |
| 03:05.36 | Neffi | higher damage range due to being 1.8 and not 1.7 |
| 03:05.53 | Amarande | and now I've only got about ... 1050 or so JP and not really feeling like grinding that many heroics these days for JP, I'm more thinking about VP to finally get the klaxxi 489 legs next week when my mage hits revered |
| 03:06.03 | Arrowmaster | i think my rogue just has two highwarlord swords |
| 03:06.15 | Amarande | Yeah, I could even just go dual 2.6's, but then I lose the use of backstab |
| 03:06.28 | Amarande | although backstab is admittedly of fairly marginal-ish usage soloing |
| 03:07.11 | Amarande | since it's still got the positional requirement, and the only time you're going to get to be behind the target when solo is when opening (you'd use Ambush if you were opening with a damage move, though) or when you've just stunned the target |
| 03:07.18 | Amarande | otherwise, it's going to be facing you and no backstab for you :) |
| 03:07.19 | Arrowmaster | when i was leveling my rogue i just went with swords, the only way i could get any use out of backstab was to gougelock everything which isnt fun |
| 03:07.52 | Amarande | Arrow: might actually be better, on balance, when I think of other things too |
| 03:08.01 | Amarande | e.g., the fact that 2.6's make for bigger Eviscerates unless I'm mistaken |
| 03:08.16 | Amarande | and so many questing mobs are Ambush->Eviscerate->done anyway |
| 03:09.02 | Arrowmaster | i was fond of leveling as sub |
| 03:09.05 | Neffi | in looms it's more like Ambush->done |
| 03:09.27 | Arrowmaster | and sub was fun for the occasional pvp while leveling |
| 03:09.30 | Neffi | blow CPs on SnD, gather up 4-10 mobs, pop Combat Read and keep up Recup |
| 03:09.49 | Neffi | rogues are pretty overtuned at mid levels |
| 03:10.05 | Neffi | in heirlooms it's a joke. you can handle so much shit |
| 03:10.17 | Arrowmaster | was hilarious pvping on my rogue back in TBC in the 60-69 bracket with my HWL swords and sub build |
| 03:10.33 | Neffi | must've been fun |
| 03:13.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah that was before they nerfed cheat death into the ground and made it based on resilience for a while |
| 03:15.21 | Neffi | wait, what? |
| 03:15.24 | Neffi | when was this? |
| 03:15.42 | Amarande | Neffi: late in BC, if I remember |
| 03:15.48 | Amarande | cheat death was hilariously bugged at one point |
| 03:15.51 | Neffi | I don't remember that |
| 03:15.52 | Arrowmaster | late TBC they nerfed the fuck out of cheat death because rogues were wearing full PvE gear to PvP and dominating |
| 03:15.56 | Neffi | I do remember it being broken for a while |
| 03:16.08 | Neffi | lol I remember that |
| 03:16.09 | Amarande | Arrow: not only that, it could glitch up and double proc and reduce damage by 99% for its duration |
| 03:16.14 | Amarande | instead of 90% |
| 03:16.20 | Amarande | making them basically invincible for several seconds |
| 03:16.22 | Neffi | and all the people combinding 4 pve 4 pvp for set bonuses, or similar |
| 03:16.44 | Arrowmaster | my friend was one of those rogues, dual warglaives full pve gear |
| 03:17.37 | Neffi | ah, back then sub was a sword build IIRC |
| 03:17.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah because it had hemo |
| 03:18.02 | Neffi | way back then is kinda fuzzy. i started playing rogues in mid bc. |
| 03:20.05 | Arrowmaster | it was one of blizzards large fuckups on making a balance change for one specific circumstance that ruined something completely for everybody else |
| 03:23.16 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/Ailruna/simple <-- my rogue atm |
| 03:23.28 | xyphoid | haha, my ravage tooltip says "Awards 950 combo points" |
| 03:23.30 | xyphoid | that'd be nice |
| 03:23.45 | Amarande | Arrow: well, to be fair, that was also the point where they also started putting horrendous rating requirements on proper PvP weapons |
| 03:23.45 | Semlar | c-c-c-combo breaker |
| 03:23.56 | Amarande | so PvE weapons in PvP, at least, have been to be expected for a long time now in WoW for most people |
| 03:24.54 | Amarande | and I STILL hold to the opinion that the rating requirement on PvE gear is a stupid and idiotic decision and Blizzard needs to someday get their head out of the mud and understand this :P |
| 03:25.02 | Amarande | I mean, seriously, when you think about it |
| 03:25.59 | Amarande | compare with something like chess. it's basically like if chess players were told "From now on the more powerful pieces will have rating requirements. Only players with an FIDE Master title or higher will be allowed to have Rooks on their board at start of game, and only those with International Grandmaster titles will be permitted the use of Queens." |
| 03:26.44 | Amarande | And when you consider the only way to get the rating requirement is to *consistently* beat players with that rating, who of course usually already *have* said perks ... :S |
| 03:30.54 | Amarande | anyway, the reason the dagger thing was bugging me is because I quite love the playstyle of a Sub rogue |
| 03:31.05 | Arrowmaster | you always compare things to chess, you must play a lot |
| 03:31.19 | Amarande | but there's a tremendous void on the Auction House on US-Ysera Alliance between about levels 30 and 80 or so when it comes to finding suitable daggers |
| 03:31.54 | Amarande | (the few that I do find in that range seem to mostly either be spellpower daggers, or they're wrong-sided (expansion-wise) in the 58-60/68-70/80 level ranges) |
| 03:32.21 | Amarande | and I don't expect to be getting dagger options in quest rewards frequently enough to keep up with optimal DPS |
| 03:32.42 | Amarande | Arrow: yup, indeed I do :) |
| 03:33.03 | Neffi | an rpg is a lot more complex than chess |
| 03:33.07 | Amarande | (also, chess is an apt comparison for ratings based things in PvP, because the Elo system used by WoW among others was originally developed to rate chess players) |
| 03:33.30 | Arrowmaster | wow doesnt use elo |
| 03:33.52 | Amarande | Neffi: still, the point is that not only are the higher rated players better, but the lower rated players trying to make their way up the ladder later on in a season/expansion are additionally handicapped by the fact that the higher rated players are allowed to outgear them as well, without them having any ability to get around that |
| 03:34.09 | Amarande | to get past the thresholds where gear upgrades come at, you not only have to beat better players, you have to beat better players who *outgear you* |
| 03:34.13 | Arrowmaster | i prefer Go rankings no bullshit like Elo |
| 03:34.14 | Neffi | see the blog post that just came out, Amarande |
| 03:34.26 | Neffi | they're totally changing pvp gear tiers, removing rating requirements, etc |
| 03:34.33 | Amarande | ah, good :) |
| 03:34.46 | Neffi | adding new tiers so it's not just honor or conquest. changing how conquest is earned so people can catch up in mid season |
| 03:35.15 | Amarande | yeah, it would be a very good idea to have the point caps be raised over time |
| 03:35.15 | Neffi | but it does devalue one thing: 2200 used to be something for new pvpers to aim for. now they just need to aim for as many CP per week as possible |
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| 03:35.28 | Amarande | heh. in the past, it actually ended up being the reverse |
| 03:35.30 | Arrowmaster | i started playing Go because i didnt like how Chess was all about memorizing the good starting sequences and then thinking of every possible move for so many turns ahead |
| 03:35.42 | Amarande | I remember Cata being a real fiasco with PvP gear, because of various fuckups surrounding Tol Barad |
| 03:35.49 | Neffi | the point cap is raised in relation to how far along the season is. so if you come in mid season, you essentially get a few thousand added to your cap until you "make it up" |
| 03:35.53 | Arrowmaster | turns out Go tends to have a lot of memorizing common patterns |
| 03:35.59 | Neffi | go read the blog. it's rather interesting |
| 03:36.05 | Amarande | first, there was some sort of screwup that resulted in people being able to exceed the cap in general for a short period |
| 03:36.48 | Amarande | then they were having so many problems getting Tol Barad to change hands (because its design was just ludicrously bad in that regard) that they had to bribe people with ginormous amounts of PvP gear points in order to get them to play on offence |
| 03:36.51 | Neffi | Meh. I'm not convinced a cap-based system is best, but a lack of a cap with the current system is worse. |
| 03:37.11 | Neffi | We need a system to encourage PvP for fun, not as a ladder to progression |
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| 03:37.19 | Amarande | and on top of the "early bird gets the worm" phenomenon the cap systems impose, if you didn't get in on one of those handouts, you were *really* stuck in the dust |
| 03:37.20 | Arrowmaster | heh was tor barad the opposite of wintergrasp? |
| 03:37.33 | Amarande | Arrow: Tol Barad was just plain terribad design |
| 03:37.49 | Neffi | on another note, leather transmog sets really suck |
| 03:37.58 | Amarande | It was a control point based domination game |
| 03:37.59 | Neffi | hard to find anything that's druid-themed and able to be soloed |
| 03:38.06 | Neffi | oh, and nice |
| 03:38.13 | Amarande | The problem was that for the attacker to win, they had to cap ALL THREE control points at the same time |
| 03:38.34 | Amarande | the result was that the defence basically always won because they could just give up two control points and turtle the entire group on the third till time was up and they were declared the victors yet again |
| 03:39.10 | Amarande | until they bribed players with something like 1800 honour per win on O, then servers started win trading so they could get the handout |
| 03:40.38 | Amarande | with the gradual point capture system used by control points in WoW, that was just fail from the get go |
| 03:41.23 | Amarande | the only way something like that could have worked without extensive redesign is with instantly capturable points rather than accumulative sliders (then if you turtle one point, all it takes is one attacker player to slip through and click to beat you, like Aurora Glade mission in GW1) |
| 03:42.26 | Amarande | Neffi: yeah I saw a nice semi-replica of Maiev's getup on one xmog blog, but it requires loads of current raid gear |
| 03:42.42 | Neffi | yeah I'm no fan of raiding |
| 03:42.55 | Amarande | heh, and on top of that |
| 03:43.03 | Amarande | half the people in town will be like "Maiev? who the hell is that?" |
| 03:43.04 | Neffi | The Amani garb is actually very fucking nice for a druid, but it's definitely not soloable |
| 03:43.22 | Neffi | Maiev: the sexiest lady who people thought was a man |
| 03:43.35 | Amarande | seeing as unless you were around for BC, pretty much, you've probably never even *met* Maiev, seeing as she's squirreled away into an obscure corner of SMV |
| 03:44.04 | Neffi | I "met" her by reading up the wikis. She's a cool character. |
| 03:44.13 | Amarande | even if you were around for BC, you don't really meet Maiev unless you go poking around the old BT attunement chain, which a lot of players who weren't lucky enough to get to raid T6 likely didn't |
| 03:44.15 | Neffi | Never been one for raiding, until I found out I loved to tank in Cata |
| 03:45.22 | Amarande | I remember I did meet Maiev, as I spent a lot of time in SMV (Netherwing was a thing for me, especially since I barely ever got to even do dungeons let alone raid back then), though I wasn't lucky enough to raid T6 heh |
| 03:45.47 | Arrowmaster | i spent too much time in SMV |
| 03:46.27 | Amarande | Pretty much I got screwed over because I hit 70 about half a year or so before Wrath was due to come out and was a pure DPS class |
| 03:47.42 | Amarande | So finding groups for heroics was impossible because they usually wanted T5+ just to do heroics, I couldn't raid because you needed the gear FROM the heroics to get ready to raid, and regular dungeons practically weren't done anymore (unless I was lucky enough to be home from work long enough on a Sunday to luck into a weekender group) |
| 03:49.09 | Amarande | And I couldn't even use PvP gear as a bootstrap because the main source of honour back then was AV, and AV queues were hours long for Horde on Turalyon in 2.3 |
| 03:49.46 | Amarande | some say there was an active boycott, but it came at least down to that Horde on Stormstrike battlegroup had such an enormous AV win rate that Alliance basically lost heart and mostly stopped queuing altogether |
| 03:50.37 | Amarande | Only a couple of battlegroups had that issue. I remember the result being that in 2.4 they retuned AV to favour Alliance more, which made us all get hated by Horde on the battlegroups where Alliance did win on a regular basis heh |
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| 03:51.33 | Neffi | Know of any purple and/or green sets that match the "elune"-type druid theme? |
| 03:51.46 | Amarande | Neffi: not sure what the "Elune" type looks like, got a screenie? |
| 03:51.54 | Neffi | the moon and nature theme |
| 03:52.11 | Neffi | less the "this looks like a paladin set with a skirt" theme that a lot of druid tiers use |
| 03:52.28 | bluworkcow | hey! |
| 03:52.33 | bluworkcow | don't diss my skirt :( |
| 03:52.36 | Neffi | <3 blu cow |
| 03:52.42 | Neffi | but skirts are for girls |
| 03:52.44 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.46 | bluworkcow | wait |
| 03:52.47 | Neffi | i need to look badass when I'm in arena |
| 03:52.51 | Arrowmaster | T1 and T2 dont look like that |
| 03:52.54 | Amarande | what's really nice are long dress-like robes |
| 03:53.01 | Amarande | then you don't have to worry about finding a leg xmog at all |
| 03:53.04 | Cairenn | Neffi: I dare you to say that to a Scot |
| 03:53.05 | Neffi | I'm hoping to find a set with pants |
| 03:53.11 | Amarande | and if you're a draenei, you already don't have to worry about boot xmogs ever :) |
| 03:53.29 | Neffi | Cairenn: If I did, they might suddenly discover a way to punch me over the internet =( |
| 03:53.38 | Cairenn | Precisely my point |
| 03:53.47 | Amarande | which makes me really wonder why the hell I rolled on the T6 boot token when we did a sunwell fun run in guild the other day :| |
| 03:54.01 | Amarande | I wasn't thinking about it at the time, I guess :S |
| 03:54.57 | Amarande | Neffi: go feral or balance, then nobody sees your gear anyway :D |
| 03:55.13 | Neffi | I am |
| 03:55.23 | Neffi | but i want to look good when I'm sitting around stil |
| 03:58.58 | Amarande | ah |
| 03:59.12 | Amarande | yeah I usually just leave my druid in boomkin form, unless I'm doing something that shapeshift won't let me do |
| 03:59.51 | Amarande | hrm. I really should pick up the pace tomorrow when doing my cloud serpent dailies on finding the onyx eggs |
| 04:00.22 | Amarande | the old hatchling-growing ones go away at revered and I expect myself to be rubbish at the races |
| 04:00.41 | Neffi | yeah i'm rarely out of cat form, but when I am my gear actually annoys the shit outta me |
| 04:00.51 | Amarande | and the secondary profession ones only give me 1100 rep a day even with the commendation :| |
| 04:01.08 | Neffi | especially since I found a really nice purple staff that looks like a crescent moon, and wished the rest of my outfit looked as awesome |
| 04:01.28 | Amarande | heh, earlier today I was explaining xmog to one of my guildies, as he was complaining of starting to look "like a gleeman" |
| 04:01.41 | Neffi | plus I've got a thing for the moon. my favorite god. i like that the druids worship them too. so i want to find a set that follows the druidic theme |
| 04:02.51 | Amarande | I found this lovely yesterday on my daily heroic Sethekk run, I think I might make it my standard xmog for my mage whenever she's using a staff |
| 04:02.52 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/item=29355 |
| 04:03.46 | Amarande | still no raven lord mount yet, though. :( |
| 04:04.21 | Amarande | Attumen and Kael'thas (MgT) haven't been cooperating with mount drops yet either. :P |
| 04:04.31 | Neffi | how many 90s you think it'd take to do ZA? |
| 04:04.55 | Amarande | Nor with the engineering recipes, I still need an engi recipe from Attumen and one from Kael |
| 04:05.02 | Amarande | hmmm. possibly three |
| 04:05.19 | Amarande | you could probably dispense with two of the DPS if you're in raid gear, but I'd imagine you'd still need tank & heals |
| 04:05.37 | Neffi | I could tank, but I'm in PvP gear |
| 04:05.43 | Amarande | especially if you want to go fast enough in order to finish it in a ... er ... *bear* minimum of time *ducks* |
| 04:05.55 | Neffi | lol |
| 04:06.25 | Amarande | PvP gear is stamina heavy and you outlevel the instance significantly. You'd probably tank it just fine in PvP gear |
| 04:07.05 | Amarande | keep in mind you need a lot less dodge/parry/etc. when the bosses are 3 (are they 87 or 88 in the later cata heroics? I thought heroics were always cap +2) levels below you :) |
| 04:07.39 | Neffi | all bosses are +3 levels, no? |
| 04:07.43 | Arrowmaster | heroics should be +2, and bosses are +3 |
| 04:08.02 | Arrowmaster | from when i played |
| 04:08.06 | Amarande | only "??" level bosses. 5-man bosses, including heroics, have fixed level numbers, generally 2 levels above the instance's base level |
| 04:08.38 | Amarande | but I never got to do the Cataclysm CoT heroics or the updated ZA/ZG, so I don't know if those ones worked differently |
| 04:08.42 | karl_w_w | what's the word which means something is easily understood |
| 04:08.49 | karl_w_w | just from guesswork |
| 04:09.01 | Amarande | karl: "easy"? |
| 04:09.25 | Amarande | I'd say simple, but simple things are often far from easy :) |
| 04:09.30 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 04:09.36 | Neffi | it's ironic that you can't remember that word |
| 04:09.48 | karl_w_w | nah I mean |
| 04:10.07 | karl_w_w | let's say somebody says a word to you that you've never heard before |
| 04:10.15 | karl_w_w | nvm i remembered |
| 04:10.19 | karl_w_w | intuitive |
| 04:10.26 | Amarande | anyway, with you being higher level than the bosses, the hit tables should be so skewed in your favour that PvP gear is good enough, especially with its high stamina total |
| 04:10.47 | Amarande | you actually might go FASTER with PvP gear, because it's also generally oriented towards fast DPS, as is needed in PvP fights |
| 04:11.51 | Amarande | although I've noticed strange phenomena with hit tables when it comes to mobs below your level |
| 04:12.13 | Amarande | the one I notice most frequently is that while caster mobs' hit rate against you drops off with increasing player level at about the expected rate |
| 04:12.33 | Amarande | physical mobs seem to still hit the vast majority of the time even if you're tens of levels above them |
| 04:12.36 | Amarande | I'm not really sure why :S |
| 04:13.02 | Arrowmaster | i think the tables cap out after a few levels difference |
| 04:13.13 | Amarande | I'm guessing to keep old content dungeons from being even more of Pinata World than they already are heh |
| 04:13.32 | Arrowmaster | i got jumped by a bunch of level 40 alliance one time while i was level 60 in classic, they still managed to stunlock and kill me between the bunch of them |
| 04:13.46 | Amarande | Arrow: for players at least, the hit chance drops off to almost nothing if the mob is sufficiently higher level than you |
| 04:14.04 | Amarande | however, if you're sufficiently higher level than the mob, this only holds true for caster mobs (who indeed duly miss you almost all the time) |
| 04:14.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah the tables for hitting a player arent like that |
| 04:14.19 | Amarande | but melee and hunter type mobs almost always hit even if they're several expansions below you |
| 04:14.31 | Amarande | I'm mainly wondering what the reason for that dichotomy is, I guess :S |
| 04:15.32 | Amarande | mind you, hunters have it stupidly unfair with the hit tables anyway, but ... :P |
| 04:16.42 | Amarande | (since they get the favourable physical hit rating table, unlike all other ranged who are stuck with the much more stringent hit rating requirements of casters, and meanwhile they *also* don't need any Expertise because that only applies to melee attacks) |
| 04:18.02 | Amarande | Mostly it's a silly thing, although it seems to mean my mage may have to wait till yet another expansion to complete her smelting recipes list heh |
| 04:18.43 | Arrowmaster | smelting? |
| 04:18.51 | Arrowmaster | why cant you complete it? |
| 04:19.35 | Amarande | hardened khorium |
| 04:19.46 | Amarande | mages STILL can't farm sunwell trash successfully, because of Slaying Shot still getting through and ending their world |
| 04:20.32 | Amarande | can't heal, and the bubble from Ice Barrier doesn't leave you with enough HP left to take care of the rest of the mobs (who will also do a fair amount of damage to you, again because of the "physical mobs still hit you regularly even if the casters almost always miss" thing) |
| 04:21.01 | Arrowmaster | kite to the entrance |
| 04:21.08 | Arrowmaster | kill the hunter and exit |
| 04:21.29 | Arrowmaster | or are they respawning packs? |
| 04:21.43 | Amarande | Ironically 5.0 actually may have made it even harder, because now that point blank shooting is allowed, the idea of just getting in the hunter's face so he's forced to melee no longer works |
| 04:21.48 | Amarande | yeah, they're respawning packs |
| 04:22.12 | Amarande | If you can't heal, then, it seems you HAVE TO be able to deal at least 120,000 damage in a single hit |
| 04:22.48 | Amarande | mages can do this under normal circumstances, with Arcane Barrage fully charged up, but it's not enough unless it *is* fully charged up (and it might need to crit too), and you haven't got time to get six arcane charges up before you're plugged with a 100% of your health percentage based DoT |
| 04:23.19 | Amarande | what you need thus is 120k damage off the opener, and I don't see mages getting this till 95 |
| 04:25.44 | Amarande | I'm at least guessing that pre MoP, you could have gone straight up to the hunter and thus forced him not to use any shots at all |
| 04:26.19 | Arrowmaster | no i think they were always like that |
| 04:27.16 | Amarande | I didn't even know it was % based till I keeled over and looked at the combat log and I'm like "this is trash from three expansions ago, wtf would be doing 75k damage repeatedly?" |
| 04:28.13 | Arrowmaster | get a pocket healer |
| 04:30.27 | karl_w_w | in case your pocket gets focused |
| 04:30.48 | bluworkcow | *shifts focus to the crutch* |
| 04:36.06 | Semlar | can i call a protected function directly using a secure action button |
| 04:36.24 | Semlar | or do i have to choose from the list of action types |
| 04:44.01 | Ackis | lulz my pally which has none of the legendary quest just got a sha touched item, whereas my pally who is done phase 2 has none :( |
| 04:45.12 | karl_w_w | Ackis: the story here being that you have 2 pallies |
| 04:45.25 | Ackis | errr priest == main |
| 04:45.30 | Ackis | not concentrating |
| 04:45.35 | karl_w_w | oh :( |
| 04:45.38 | bluworkcow | suuuuure |
| 04:46.52 | karl_w_w | i got my sha-touched weapon only like 1 or 2 weeks before i finished the quest for the gem, which was nice |
| 04:47.54 | Ackis | I have the gem and the meta socket thingy sitting in my bank on my priest :( |
| 04:49.07 | kd3 | I still need 3 more weeks |
| 04:49.10 | kd3 | is at 3500/6k |
| 04:50.04 | karl_w_w | im ~4.5k/6k |
| 04:50.21 | karl_w_w | i've been really slack this week, only earned 40 vp so far |
| 04:50.31 | karl_w_w | need to get down to it |
| 04:51.17 | karl_w_w | busy today so won't get much done, tomorrow is raid night and monday is the last day before reset for oceanic realms |
| 04:51.30 | kd3 | grr. my new wifi nic's driver is having issues |
| 04:52.38 | bluworkcow | it's drunk! |
| 04:52.53 | Arrowmaster | hes gone jim! |
| 04:53.15 | Semlar | it's worse than that, he's dead jim |
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| 04:57.27 | bluworkcow | he's back Jim |
| 04:57.31 | bluworkcow | he's not dead Jim |
| 04:57.46 | Semlar | it was touch and go there for a while |
| 04:59.05 | Arrowmaster | kd3: cant be worse than my wifi, i have to reconnect multiple times a day because for some reason it will start to only be able to receive at 100KB/s max |
| 04:59.46 | Arrowmaster | and ethernet isnt an option since the driver for it isnt in the mainline kernel yet |
| 05:00.03 | karl_w_w | is it going into some kind of power saving mode? |
| 05:00.13 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt be |
| 05:00.34 | Semlar | windows can turn off your network card to save power by default |
| 05:00.40 | Arrowmaster | not windows |
| 05:01.36 | Semlar | so it's probably just not that compatible with what you're using |
| 05:05.26 | Neffi | is there a driver available that you can compile in? |
| 05:06.52 | Arrowmaster | for ethernet yeah but its a huge pita |
| 05:07.00 | bluworkcow | @semlar how does one become a mushroom on wowinterface ? |
| 05:07.26 | Semlar | you have lofty aspirations bluworkcow |
| 05:07.38 | bluworkcow | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=65952 |
| 05:07.43 | bluworkcow | It says Mushroom! |
| 05:07.54 | Semlar | i reckon it does |
| 05:08.04 | bluworkcow | *eats Semlar* |
| 05:08.26 | Semlar | no! i'm psychedelic |
| 05:08.47 | bluworkcow | yay! |
| 05:08.50 | bluworkcow | *goes funny colors* |
| 05:08.51 | Neffi | what distro? |
| 05:09.11 | Neffi | patching in drivers has never been a huge deal for me unless they're very unstable |
| 05:10.31 | Semlar | you can't just go around eating people all the time |
| 05:12.12 | Arrowmaster | debian |
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| 05:13.59 | Neffi | that's strange. what ethernet controller is it? |
| 05:14.10 | Neffi | i've never come across one that's not mainlined |
| 05:14.36 | Arrowmaster | AR8162 |
| 05:14.40 | kd3 | huh |
| 05:14.59 | kd3 | apparently the monoprice usb wireless nic does _not_ like usb3.0 |
| 05:16.07 | Arrowmaster | oh you got one after i suggested it? |
| 05:16.11 | kd3 | yah |
| 05:16.24 | Arrowmaster | hows it work on linux |
| 05:16.27 | kd3 | fine |
| 05:17.14 | kd3 | was beautiful on my old mobo... but kept wedging whenever I plugged it into a usb3.0 port on my new system |
| 05:17.30 | kd3 | thankfully it still provides a few usb2 ports and it works there |
| 05:17.35 | bluworkcow | lololol |
| 05:17.39 | bluworkcow | you gave it a wedgie ? |
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| 05:39.38 | Neffi | fucking flight acceleration |
| 05:39.49 | kd3 | ? |
| 05:40.01 | Neffi | it does not agree with physics that i cancel flight form and go flying 200 yards |
| 05:51.11 | Thunder_Child | actually you don't know that |
| 05:51.36 | Thunder_Child | I figure you are assuming earth standard 1g |
| 05:51.55 | Neffi | gravity is irrelevant |
| 05:53.36 | Neffi | If you're traveling straight upwards at X speed, and suddenly transform from a bird into a human, there is no force acting upon you which would cause you to spontaneously accelerate *parallel* to the ground at high speed |
| 05:55.05 | Neffi | Unless the act of transformation involves some sort of decoupling to the rotational speed of the planet, so you're no longer spinning with it. But if that's the case, I should be accelerated quick enough to be torn apart. |
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| 06:14.53 | Thunder_Child | is your travel up using the spacebar or is it looking up and using the forward key? |
| 06:16.23 | Neffi | hmm. are there any leather leggings that look like jeans? |
| 06:17.20 | bluworkcow | *gasp* |
| 06:17.24 | bluworkcow | Jeggings ? |
| 06:20.49 | Neffi | leg pieces |
| 06:20.50 | Neffi | whatever |
| 06:21.08 | Neffi | seeing if i can put together a set that looks similar to modern fashion |
| 06:31.57 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 06:31.58 | karl_w_w | http://99gifs.com/-img/50f96a7eafa96f5e300017b1.gif |
| 06:31.59 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 06:32.02 | Fisker | not so hey karl_w_w |
| 06:32.23 | karl_w_w | hey Fisker |
| 06:42.26 | Neffi | "Hmm this actually looks pretty good. Now for the shoulders... good god" |
| 06:44.41 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Both, plus a chant of "ohfuckdon'tdrowndon'tdrowndon'tdrown" |
| 06:45.24 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: This was in air |
| 06:45.47 | Thunder_Child | but i can releate to your comment |
| 06:46.26 | Dagmar | In EQ i'd hold my actual breath so I'd have a sense of how long I could get away with being under |
| 06:46.31 | Dagmar | That doesn't work so well in WoW |
| 06:46.49 | Dagmar | It's easy to forget you're not in "breathy water' |
| 06:47.07 | Dagmar | hehe i was thinking the same thing |
| 06:47.14 | Dagmar | I saw a flyer for it at Bongo |
| 06:47.19 | Dagmar | @#$@#$ wrong channel |
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| 07:05.16 | Neffi | now that looks intimidating http://i.imgur.com/gVzNYoB.jpg |
| 07:05.24 | Neffi | better fuckin watch out |
| 07:29.30 | Adys | Anyone good with music? |
| 07:30.04 | Semlar | i can play the wooden fish |
| 07:30.24 | Adys | Im looking for the name of the music in the final minutes of the final episode of BSG, the fastforward from where the child is alone to present day |
| 07:30.29 | Adys | http://youtu.be/KcdPVEHAUO0?t=1h32m36s |
| 07:30.33 | Thunder_Child | I can play the carpet harmonica |
| 07:30.56 | Semlar | it should have credits |
| 07:31.06 | Semlar | for like the sound studio at least |
| 07:31.21 | Semlar | that might help |
| 07:31.42 | Thunder_Child | Adys: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0993922/soundtrack ? |
| 07:31.49 | Semlar | although this is just a handful of notes |
| 07:31.54 | Adys | well bear mcgreary made pretty much all the music for bsg |
| 07:31.58 | Adys | but its not in the OST |
| 07:32.22 | Fisker | imma bear |
| 07:33.31 | Adys | Thunder_Child: none of those |
| 07:35.53 | Thunder_Child | Adys: try shazam using your speakers? |
| 07:36.12 | Adys | I doubt it would lead anywhere useful |
| 07:36.17 | Adys | this was probably composed just for this |
| 07:37.22 | nevcairiel | maybe it just has no name for you to find? :P |
| 07:37.23 | Semlar | it could just be stock music |
| 07:38.25 | Adys | for bsg doubt it |
| 07:38.58 | Thunder_Child | Adys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOqJ_Y6jaEY ? |
| 07:39.30 | Adys | woah dude |
| 07:39.34 | Thunder_Child | http://www.amazon.com/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-Bear-McCreary/dp/samples/B0028ERCMU/ref=dp_tracks_all_2#disc_2 it's on the ost |
| 07:39.46 | Thunder_Child | last track of disk two |
| 07:39.58 | Adys | i cant believe i missed it |
| 07:40.00 | Adys | thanks! |
| 07:40.03 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
| 07:40.04 | Semlar | you said it wasn't on there! |
| 07:40.10 | Semlar | YOU LIED TO US |
| 07:40.12 | Adys | WELL I THOUGHT IT WASNT OKAY |
| 07:40.16 | Adys | SO LEAVE ME ALONE |
| 07:40.22 | Fisker | can you believe the earth is round Adys ? |
| 07:40.48 | Semlar | how round could it be with all these mountains and valleys and stuff |
| 07:41.46 | Fisker | cool cool cool |
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| 07:57.40 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 07:57.44 | Fisker | why are opera dumb? |
| 07:59.33 | mikma | because high voice |
| 08:16.54 | Mr_Rabies | also because alien language |
| 08:17.00 | Mr_Rabies | this is america, opera, speak american |
| 08:17.04 | Mr_Rabies | goddddddddd |
| 08:23.28 | bluworkcow | fiskery Fisker |
| 08:23.47 | bluworkcow | diskery Disker |
| 08:27.30 | bluworkcow | :( |
| 08:27.44 | bluworkcow | chrome : cntrl - E |
| 08:27.58 | bluworkcow | search term " why has fisker abadoned me ? why he haet?" |
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| 11:51.39 | Zootfizzle | GRRRR |
| 11:51.52 | Zootfizzle | I hate "business people" |
| 11:52.11 | Zootfizzle | If I ever engineer a plague it will target them |
| 11:52.49 | Ackis | Zootfizzle: please make it target dumbasses too! :D |
| 11:53.12 | Humbedooh | and lawyers! |
| 11:53.19 | Humbedooh | oooooh them lawyers >_> |
| 11:53.34 | Humbedooh | Ackis: why'd you wanna kill yourself? :( |
| 11:53.42 | Ackis | ouch |
| 11:53.47 | Humbedooh | zing! |
| 11:54.04 | Humbedooh | makes a hermit crab plague ;O |
| 11:54.06 | Zootfizzle | is a gullible tool |
| 11:54.18 | Ackis | all my hermies died :( |
| 11:54.25 | Humbedooh | nooo :( |
| 11:54.37 | Zootfizzle | If it targeted dumbasses I'd be commiting suicide |
| 11:54.40 | Humbedooh | condolences :( |
| 12:00.42 | Zootfizzle | Anyway |
| 12:00.47 | Zootfizzle | I'm going to go find something to hit |
| 12:00.51 | Zootfizzle | later |
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| 12:44.54 | Ackis | wow they made wintersaber and timbermaw rep super easy to get now |
| 12:45.48 | zenzelezz | didn't they do that back in WotLK? Or was it even before? |
| 12:46.41 | Ackis | no idea, I farmed that shit back when it was hard and never tried again on a second toon until now |
| 12:47.35 | bluspacecow | *giggle* |
| 12:47.55 | bluspacecow | it used to be hard ? that's what she said |
| 12:47.57 | Fisker | old as dirt Ackis |
| 12:47.58 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 12:49.41 | zenzelezz | man, MaNa vs. TLO... awesome matches |
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| 13:01.30 | Zootfizzle | More grr. |
| 13:04.22 | Zootfizzle | I have to remember never to work for friends |
| 13:04.30 | Zootfizzle | Or to think that the people I am working for want to be my friends |
| 13:04.42 | Zootfizzle | Or that friendship and work are related |
| 13:05.21 | Zootfizzle | I blame the military for training me to trust my coworkers and employers with my life. |
| 13:07.32 | Zootfizzle | Being ripped off by people I trust is getting really old |
| 13:07.34 | Zootfizzle | </rant> |
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| 13:09.35 | Fisker | soothes Zootfizzle |
| 13:14.27 | Kalroth | working for friends or family is always a bad idea, it gets so awkward at the dinner table when you talk about your terrible coworkers |
| 13:18.49 | Zootfizzle | I was working for a restaurant/bar |
| 13:18.57 | karl_w_w | you're a wonderful, kind and generous person Fisker |
| 13:19.14 | Zootfizzle | They wanted me to stay there for four or five hours a night working on stuff which resulted in me spending money there as a matter of course |
| 13:19.53 | Zootfizzle | One night they suddenly lost the ability to process credit cards so I had to reconfigure their entire network, and in the process I lent them a Linksys e1200 |
| 13:20.13 | Zootfizzle | They decided I had given them the e1200 |
| 13:20.38 | Zootfizzle | So far this month they've paid me less than I've spent in the restaurant, not including the cost of the router |
| 13:21.07 | Zootfizzle | So this afternoon I went into the restaurant, changed all the passwords on the e1200 and renamed it to THIS IS NOT YOUR ROUTER |
| 13:21.20 | Zootfizzle | Along with the wireless AP |
| 13:21.25 | Zootfizzle | To THIS IS NOT YOUR ROUTER IT IS MINE |
| 13:22.10 | Zootfizzle | They have until Monday to give me my router back before I invoice them for $150 |
| 13:23.44 | Zootfizzle | The best part is the know-nothing administrative assistant who is convinced he can find a decent WRT54G at Goodwill for $7 |
| 13:24.07 | Kalroth | wow |
| 13:24.10 | Zootfizzle | Little does he know that I buy all of the WRT54Gs at all of the thrift shops |
| 13:24.35 | Kalroth | yeah, i was about to ask about invoices - should have given them one with the router |
| 13:24.43 | Kalroth | but i know, friends etc. |
| 13:24.51 | Zootfizzle | I tend not to think about invoicing people when it's 4am and I'm tipsy |
| 13:25.01 | Zootfizzle | Which is a large component of how they're intentionally taking advantage of me |
| 13:25.15 | Zootfizzle | I usually just want to fix the damn thing and leave |
| 13:25.21 | Kalroth | so what you're saying, is get you drunk and then make you fix computers |
| 13:25.29 | Kalroth | or the other way around? |
| 13:25.42 | Zootfizzle | Both |
| 13:25.47 | Kalroth | :D |
| 13:26.06 | Zootfizzle | I asked the owner to refuse my patronage |
| 13:26.12 | Zootfizzle | She offered me a hug instead |
| 13:26.24 | Kalroth | personally i dont get asked to fix computers anymore, last time i fixed my sisters laptop, i installed ubuntu |
| 13:26.31 | Kalroth | now the rest of the family is afraid to ask |
| 13:26.38 | Humbedooh | hurr |
| 13:26.51 | Humbedooh | you could've done worse - you could've installed Mint ;o |
| 13:27.08 | Zootfizzle | At least with Ubuntu she can run windows in a virtual machine |
| 13:27.25 | Kalroth | linux from scratch; "okay im done, if you need any other programs, you're going to have to compile them yourself" |
| 13:27.44 | Zootfizzle | ...you didn't even put KDE on there did you |
| 13:27.51 | Kalroth | Zootfizzle: first thing she asked for was that internet icon with an e letter |
| 13:28.03 | Zootfizzle | Thank you Kalroth |
| 13:28.05 | Zootfizzle | I feel better |
| 13:28.25 | Kalroth | her exact words were something like "where's the internet button???" |
| 13:28.55 | Kalroth | (I did install windows 7 after a week of her crying) |
| 13:28.59 | Kalroth | i'm a softie |
| 13:29.11 | Zootfizzle | I'm pretty sure I've managed to get my "Chrome is a web browser just like Internet Explorer" explanation down to three minutes |
| 13:29.24 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 13:29.34 | Kalroth | "web browser??? but i just want to facebook" |
| 13:29.52 | jnwhiteh | WHERE IS MY GOOGLE? |
| 13:29.58 | jnwhiteh | at least no one has ever asked me for 'their bing' |
| 13:30.11 | Zootfizzle | I wish I could say that |
| 13:30.15 | Kalroth | i'm going to kick them from the family the day they do |
| 13:30.15 | Zootfizzle | Living in Europe must be nice |
| 13:30.39 | Fisker | where's my altavista jnwhiteh ? |
| 13:31.03 | Kalroth | av.com best domain |
| 13:31.13 | jnwhiteh | Zootfizzle: I happen to think it is) |
| 13:32.00 | Kalroth | i've never lived anymore else, but i'm happy here so i guess it is |
| 13:32.05 | Zootfizzle | The only motivation I have for finishing a 4 year degree is expatriating. |
| 13:33.14 | Zootfizzle | I'm my own best teacher so listening to untalented grad students blather for minimum wage is extremely unhelpful and boring |
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| 13:34.25 | Zootfizzle | I could get a job at a giant corporation pretty easily, but IIRC I've already been a contractor on a death star |
| 13:35.40 | Zootfizzle | I wonder if you can make sprockets out of graphene |
| 13:35.56 | Kalroth | find a small/medium company |
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| 13:37.01 | Zootfizzle | I'm starting my own megacorporation with a large number of LLCs that work on their own things |
| 13:37.12 | Kalroth | \o/ |
| 13:37.37 | Kalroth | Zootfizzle Inc. |
| 13:37.42 | Zootfizzle | You're all invited to the first annual ZootCon |
| 13:38.33 | Zootfizzle | This year it's at a Denny's in Albuquerque, NM. |
| 13:38.48 | Zootfizzle | Everyone gets a free pancake |
| 13:38.50 | Kalroth | long trip, you should open an office in europe |
| 13:38.58 | Kalroth | next to google's new london hq, imo |
| 13:39.34 | Zootfizzle | If I could afford the exorbitant fees required to leave my country, I might consider it |
| 13:39.43 | Zootfizzle | As it is, I have to pay $100 to visit Canada |
| 13:39.47 | Zootfizzle | And I don't really want to visit Canada |
| 13:39.51 | bluspacecow | ACKIS |
| 13:39.54 | bluspacecow | WHERE ARE MY PANTS |
| 13:41.43 | Zootfizzle | Good old USA. We don't believe in progressive taxation because it would be unfair to rich people if they had to pay the same percentage of their income in taxes. Instead we make people pay very expensive fees which amount to one hour's work for anyone with a six figure income and six month's worth of savings for anyone earning the median wage |
| 13:42.12 | Zootfizzle | s/six month's/six months' |
| 13:42.25 | Zootfizzle | ...with a trailing slash |
| 13:42.41 | Zootfizzle | Help, I'm stuck in an infinite self-correction loop. |
| 13:42.50 | Zootfizzle | ~whaleslap Zootfizzle |
| 13:42.50 | purl | ACTION beats Zootfizzle upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 13:44.00 | bluspacecow | @purl y u haet ? |
| 13:46.20 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:48.43 | Zootfizzle | On a positive note, I finally found the 100 refrigerator magnets I had made out of my computer repair business cards |
| 13:48.49 | Zootfizzle | Hopefully they don't end up in bars |
| 13:50.04 | Zootfizzle | Oh yeah |
| 13:50.13 | Zootfizzle | And I hired a business manager to do all my invoices |
| 13:50.26 | Zootfizzle | Now all I have to do is fill out a work order |
| 13:51.27 | Zootfizzle | And since that seems like a lot of work, I'm going to use Google Calendar to track where I am and automatically generate said work orders |
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| 14:07.45 | Zootfizzle | Damn I miss having a life and being important for something |
| 14:07.57 | Zootfizzle | I'm going to go talk to myself instead of typing to myself |
| 14:08.05 | Zootfizzle | It seems more and less crazy at the same time |
| 14:26.04 | foxlit | aside from Blingtron and Nomi, are there any daily quests that are started by summoning an NPC using an item that you carry in your inventory? |
| 14:28.01 | Fisker | there's the dailies in shado-pan |
| 14:28.27 | Fisker | oh |
| 14:28.33 | Fisker | they can't be carried in your inventory :P |
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| 16:43.24 | Shirik | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/01/18 |
| 16:44.11 | Jammer | what would be the easiest way to get current loot drops into a database? any database exports available? |
| 16:47.43 | Arrowmaster | json from wowhead probably |
| 16:48.07 | foxlit | what current loot drops, what database? |
| 16:53.49 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:54.53 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:55.20 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 16:59.19 | Jammer | foxlit: just all the 90 gear pretty much and mysql preferably but converting it from anything wouldn't be a problem :p |
| 17:00.02 | Jammer | Arrowmaster: can you export like all gear from wowhead? |
| 17:00.17 | Arrowmaster | you can get the json from a search page |
| 17:01.38 | Jammer | that should work |
| 17:13.01 | Jammer | Arrowmaster: tho it limits you to 200 items :( |
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| 17:35.28 | Shirik | what the fuck is this |
| 17:35.40 | Shirik | only supports the following operating system/browser combinations: |
| 17:35.41 | Shirik | • Windows/Internet Explorer (IE 8 or less, currently incompatible with 9) |
| 17:35.41 | Shirik | • Windows/FireFox |
| 17:35.47 | Shirik | who does "IE 8 or less" |
| 17:36.03 | foxlit | the past, Shirik. |
| 17:37.22 | kd3 | target's internal network? |
| 17:37.37 | kd3 | still can't log in from home unless he spoofs his user agent to an old version of IE |
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| 17:43.19 | mikma | oh lord, zone id's have changed |
| 17:43.34 | Ressy | with 5.2? |
| 17:43.54 | mikma | apparently between 4.x - 5.x |
| 17:44.07 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: our old ass oracle at work would be once. |
| 17:44.16 | Thunder_Child | s/once/one/ |
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| 18:25.21 | mikma | semlar: ping |
| 18:25.39 | Semlar | what's up |
| 18:26.39 | mikma | semlar: you don't happen to have a continent / zone list handy, don't you? |
| 18:27.06 | mikma | semlar: cause apparently sticking with old zones is lame and blizz decided to change the zone id's around with pandaria |
| 18:27.51 | Semlar | you can make it in game |
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| 18:28.20 | mikma | semlar: been looking for a easy way of doing that |
| 18:28.31 | Semlar | depends on what you mean by id |
| 18:28.58 | Semlar | like what you use for SetMapByID? |
| 18:29.10 | nevcairiel | i know those havent changed |
| 18:29.16 | mikma | GetCurrentMapContinent() and GetCurrentMapZone() |
| 18:29.18 | Semlar | or SetZoom(continent,zone) |
| 18:29.26 | nevcairiel | the returns of those two change all the time |
| 18:29.33 | Semlar | yeah those aren't static |
| 18:29.35 | mikma | nevcairiel: ironforge and stormwind has changed :O |
| 18:30.03 | mikma | i need a foolproof way of knowing the location i'm in, with or without the map open |
| 18:30.25 | Semlar | SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 18:31.19 | mikma | but that will fook the players in the eye if they fly around with map open |
| 18:31.42 | Semlar | if they fly around with another zone's map open |
| 18:32.02 | foxlit | that already happens anyway |
| 18:32.09 | nevcairiel | if by location you only mean the zone you're in, use the getrealzonetext function or something like that |
| 18:32.14 | Semlar | here's the deal, it's not possible to get the player's location without going by the map |
| 18:32.18 | nevcairiel | if you really need coordinates, you're fucked |
| 18:32.44 | mikma | nevcairiel: but that's localized, or does it return localized and english localization? |
| 18:32.50 | Semlar | almost every function is relative to the map |
| 18:33.06 | Semlar | except like nev said the minimap text |
| 18:33.14 | nevcairiel | its localized, but you can probably map it against the returns of getmapinfo or shit like that |
| 18:33.27 | mikma | heh |
| 18:34.59 | mikma | blizz should just provide us a simple API for that |
| 18:35.04 | Semlar | :| |
| 18:35.19 | mikma | WhereTheFuckAmI() -> "Town", "Wilderness", "Instance", "Arena" |
| 18:35.42 | nevcairiel | well IsInInstance at least gives you a distinction of sorts :P |
| 18:36.09 | mikma | nevcairiel: you play with lederhosen or english client? |
| 18:36.20 | nevcairiel | english of course |
| 18:36.24 | mikma | dang |
| 18:37.14 | mikma | then imma gonna download the german language in |
| 18:37.36 | Semlar | what do you need the location for |
| 18:37.43 | Semlar | other than the name |
| 18:39.11 | mikma | ah, brilliant, GetMapInfo() is always returning english name |
| 18:40.00 | Semlar | no, it returns the internal name |
| 18:40.13 | Semlar | getmapinfo returns the path to the textures that make up the map |
| 18:40.50 | Semlar | try it on a zone with spaces in it |
| 18:41.18 | mikma | Routes has a cool way of getting the zonelist |
| 18:42.22 | mikma | semlar: http://pastebin.com/g8jEAgdc |
| 18:42.30 | Semlar | oh are you just trying to turn your current location into an area id |
| 18:42.36 | Semlar | regardless of the map |
| 18:42.48 | mikma | yeah |
| 18:43.12 | mikma | i'm guessing GetRealZoneText() combined with that code will work just fine |
| 18:43.42 | mikma | (i'm trying to make a list of major cities and detect when player enters in one) |
| 18:43.56 | Semlar | i think it's actually possible to do this without changing the map |
| 18:44.08 | mikma | i think it is |
| 18:44.08 | Semlar | i'd have to check |
| 18:44.28 | Semlar | otherwise i was going to suggest something like that function |
| 18:45.08 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 18:45.34 | mikma | semlar: bingo |
| 18:45.39 | Semlar | kinda depends on what GetMapNameByID returns |
| 18:45.51 | Semlar | i'm not sure if it matches the zone text or not |
| 18:46.00 | mikma | semlar: http://pastebin.com/Z8xU2hYg |
| 18:46.14 | mikma | result is "TerokkarForest" |
| 18:46.24 | mikma | english version of the map with german client |
| 18:46.51 | Semlar | it's the internal path to the map textures |
| 18:46.58 | Semlar | don't mistake that for the english version of the map name |
| 18:47.16 | mikma | ok, i won't now, but that will do enough for me now :) |
| 18:47.33 | mikma | i don't need the english names, i just need to know the location so i can compare it to the list of cities |
| 18:47.36 | Semlar | [2] is what you want out of that |
| 18:47.47 | Semlar | if you're using that function |
| 18:48.12 | Semlar | that's what they store the area id under |
| 18:48.42 | Semlar | and you can use GetMapNameByID on that |
| 18:48.56 | Semlar | or whatever you want to do with it |
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| 18:49.43 | mikma | no, i don't wan't the [2] |
| 18:49.55 | mikma | that's the map id and that one changes when you open map and zoom into different zones |
| 18:50.01 | mikma | i need the [1] |
| 18:50.23 | mikma | that one i can compare with the GetRealZoneText() |
| 18:50.41 | mikma | err, well, you know what i mean |
| 18:50.46 | Semlar | but.. you're using GetRealZoneText as the key |
| 18:50.58 | mikma | yeap |
| 18:51.56 | mikma | it's localized |
| 18:52.12 | mikma | "Wälder von Terokkar" |
| 18:52.15 | Semlar | right.. and you want the universal id for the map |
| 18:52.24 | Semlar | which is what GetCurrentMapAreaID is |
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| 18:53.06 | mikma | semlar: yes, but i can't use that because of the fact that people do fly with map open and zoom into different zones |
| 18:53.20 | mikma | then GetCurrentMapAreaID will return the id they are zoomed in |
| 18:53.24 | mikma | not the one you currently are |
| 18:53.32 | Semlar | i don't think you understand what i'm saying |
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| 18:53.50 | Semlar | GetMapInfo and GetCurrentMapAreaID are both going to depend on the map that's open |
| 18:53.58 | mikma | yes |
| 18:53.59 | Semlar | but that doesn't matter |
| 18:54.04 | Semlar | because you're using this function to look them up |
| 18:54.33 | Semlar | the area id is what you want out of the function, not the path to the textures because it's theoretically possible for two maps to use the same textures |
| 18:54.55 | mikma | oh |
| 18:54.58 | Semlar | it's not a unique identifier |
| 18:55.31 | Semlar | and even if it were, the area id is way, way more useful |
| 18:55.45 | mikma | but then i need to set the map to current zone, and i don't want to do that :O |
| 18:56.30 | mikma | i'm still guessing that the GetRealZoneText() is more than enough for this |
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| 18:57.02 | Semlar | mikma |
| 18:57.03 | Fisker | why won't you haste ? |
| 18:57.13 | Semlar | all i'm saying is use print(LZName[zonetext][2]) instead of what you have |
| 19:00.52 | mikma | semlar: so basicly that'll just change my DB into "lol = {123 = 1, 234 = 1, 345 = 1,}" instead of "lol = {"Ironforge" = 1, "StormwindCity" = 1, "Darnassus" = 1,}" |
| 19:01.03 | Semlar | yeah |
| 19:01.11 | mikma | what's the difference? :D |
| 19:01.12 | Semlar | use the area ids instead of the map names |
| 19:01.18 | Semlar | well for one thing they're shorter |
| 19:01.29 | Semlar | but you can actually use the area id to get information |
| 19:01.39 | Semlar | like.. the map name |
| 19:01.48 | mikma | oh i don't need the information, i just need to compare am i in a city of not ;D |
| 19:01.50 | Semlar | and you can use it to set the map to that area |
| 19:01.52 | Dagmar | Does "Ironforge" get translated to something else in German? |
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| 19:02.14 | mikma | dagmar: moment :DD |
| 19:02.17 | mikma | dagmar: it does |
| 19:02.23 | Semlar | i mean you can do it this way |
| 19:02.32 | Dagmar | Yeah there would be another reason not to hard code strings then |
| 19:02.41 | Semlar | but it just makes more sense to me to use the area id |
| 19:02.43 | mikma | dagmar: "Eisenschmiede" |
| 19:02.54 | Dagmar | Heh I like the way that sounds |
| 19:10.10 | pelf | to determine if a SPELL_HEAL type event was cast by me, which is preferred: comparing the sourceGUID to UnitGUID("player") or checking for COMBATLOG_FILTER_MINE in sourceFlags? |
| 19:10.47 | Semlar | mikma can you try this and tell me if it works http://pastebin.com/PZ7ZRJwA |
| 19:11.10 | Semlar | i don't know if GetMapNameByID matches GetRealZoneText or not |
| 19:11.25 | Shirik | if you already know your GUID, I would go that route |
| 19:11.37 | Semlar | oh i guess that also needs to get changed to a function, i forgot the parentheses |
| 19:11.39 | Shirik | actually I probably would go that way anyway, because bitwise arithmetic in Lua is stupid |
| 19:12.11 | Semlar | mikma: http://pastebin.com/UytRUruz |
| 19:12.34 | Shirik | Semlar wtf is that |
| 19:12.38 | pelf | alright, i definitely prefer the guids too |
| 19:12.42 | pelf | thanks |
| 19:13.03 | mikma | semlar: 3: unexpected symbol near [ ;D |
| 19:13.17 | Shirik | (i.e., "wtf is that") |
| 19:13.31 | Semlar | oh sorry i really need to read what i'm writing |
| 19:13.34 | Semlar | jesus |
| 19:13.40 | Semlar | that should be the table |
| 19:14.01 | Semlar | Name2ID[GetMapNameByID(areaID)] = areaID |
| 19:14.23 | mikma | semlar: 3: table index is nil |
| 19:14.29 | Shirik | it would be really cool if that could be treated kinda like a macro |
| 19:14.42 | Semlar | hm |
| 19:14.43 | Shirik | like http://pastebin.com/7F8xhqyt |
| 19:14.48 | Semlar | the function must not always get a name |
| 19:15.03 | Shirik | easy solution |
| 19:15.34 | Semlar | okay try this one http://pastebin.com/5XtaZHQf |
| 19:15.45 | Shirik | http://pastebin.com/1JuZaeM6 |
| 19:15.54 | Semlar | although that should be mapName not another function call |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | I like mine better :( |
| 19:16.02 | mikma | semlar: "481" |
| 19:16.15 | pelf | @Shirik: can you seriously just drop a for loop inside of a table declaration like that? |
| 19:16.18 | mikma | semlar: which is Shattrath City |
| 19:16.19 | Shirik | no |
| 19:16.26 | Shirik | I was saying it would be neat if you could |
| 19:16.32 | pelf | oh, well, then this would be ruby |
| 19:16.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:16.41 | Semlar | so the names match up? |
| 19:16.43 | Shirik | then it's no longer neat |
| 19:16.45 | Shirik | and it's the devil |
| 19:16.49 | pelf | alas :( |
| 19:17.22 | mikma | semlar: well, it printed me "481", not the name |
| 19:17.29 | Semlar | yeah but 481 is shattrath |
| 19:17.34 | mikma | it is yes |
| 19:17.39 | Semlar | if it didn't fail it means it works |
| 19:17.58 | foxlit | s/works/worked/ |
| 19:18.05 | mikma | semlar: 478 in Terokkar Forest |
| 19:18.19 | Semlar | the only reason i'm offering this as a potential solution is because your other function has to loop through every zone first |
| 19:18.49 | Semlar | which is actually pretty intensive |
| 19:19.33 | Semlar | when they log on it goes through every continent and sets the map to each zone gathering information |
| 19:20.18 | foxlit | How much time out of a 5s log in screen would you say that takes, Semlar |
| 19:20.29 | Semlar | you'd be surprised how slow it is to change maps |
| 19:20.46 | foxlit | surprised is not a number. |
| 19:20.54 | Semlar | what am i a calculator |
| 19:21.13 | Shirik | lua> tonumber(surprised) |
| 19:21.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 19:21.17 | Shirik | what |
| 19:21.35 | Shirik | lua> tonumber "surprised" |
| 19:21.35 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 19:21.37 | Shirik | fu |
| 19:21.41 | Shirik | I thought tonumber returned 0 |
| 19:23.04 | mikma | semlar: i would create the list at login, and then only compare the list |
| 19:24.14 | Semlar | yeah |
| 19:26.40 | Semlar | i don't know, maybe you should just do it the other way |
| 19:27.00 | Semlar | multiple areas have the same name so this could potentially be a problem |
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| 19:28.17 | mikma | semlar: reminder, this is ONLY FOR THE CITIES! and it's ok of the areas have "stormwind" name cause it's a city :) |
| 19:28.25 | mikma | of=if |
| 19:30.48 | foxlit | So the number was 500 milliseconds using the code as written |
| 19:31.30 | foxlit | or 28 if you unregister WatchFrame from WORLD_MAP_UPDATE before you do your loops and re-register it afterward. |
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| 19:32.08 | Semlar | well there you go |
| 19:33.02 | mikma | whaat |
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| 19:33.58 | mikma | foxlit: so what did you do? |
| 19:34.05 | mikma | foxlit: you compared what? |
| 19:34.10 | Semlar | he just measured how long it takes to loop through the zones |
| 19:34.55 | Semlar | i'm assuming most heavy map addons will check if the map frame is visible and throttle themselves too |
| 19:35.09 | mikma | don't assume, check it and be surprised |
| 19:35.23 | Semlar | i'd prefer to assume |
| 19:35.30 | foxlit | mikma: ran http://pastebin.com/Z8xU2hYg in a PLAYER_LOGIN handler and measured the time from line 1 to line 11 using debugprofilestop. |
| 19:35.37 | mikma | tweaking your addons be like foxlit said takes brains :P |
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| 19:36.12 | mikma | foxlit: care to measure semlar's code also? :P |
| 19:37.07 | mikma | semlar: anyway, http://pastebin.com/TGXVzVVB |
| 19:37.07 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/umY5RZ89 |
| 19:38.15 | foxlit | Semlar: 1ms |
| 19:38.42 | Semlar | yeah the only thing i'm worried about is that it covers a lot more areas than looping through the continent zones |
| 19:39.03 | Semlar | well actually you have a list of the only ids you care about |
| 19:39.07 | foxlit | .5ms if you get rid of the index-already-exists check. |
| 19:39.22 | Semlar | i don't want it overwriting the existing index if it has a new one |
| 19:39.48 | Semlar | mikma if you know the ids you want to watch for you only have to iterate over those |
| 19:41.00 | mikma | semlar: there seems to be 12 id's, that should cover *ALL* big cities that matter |
| 19:41.33 | Semlar | something like this http://pastebin.com/1SqCPgrL |
| 19:41.51 | mikma | semlar: http://pastebin.com/1iNYbEpi |
| 19:42.24 | foxlit | I wonder why the shrines are fake-flagged as contested zones on PvE realms |
| 19:42.25 | Semlar | or just add a loop under it that goes through and changes it to names |
| 19:42.35 | mikma | semlar: will that result the same name that GetRealZoneText() provides? |
| 19:42.46 | pelf | is it possible to raise a custom event in wow's eventing system? |
| 19:42.48 | Semlar | well, for the ones you checked it matched |
| 19:43.00 | foxlit | pelf: no. |
| 19:43.13 | Semlar | you'll have to do some sort of callback function |
| 19:43.14 | pelf | hmm |
| 19:43.47 | mikma | pelf: yeah, no. |
| 19:44.01 | mikma | pelf: what do you have in mind? |
| 19:44.06 | pelf | well, here's the setup: (1) log handler saving the amount of a specific heal's last cast (2) dogtag displaying it from the location it saves it in ... i need to figure out what event to use to trigger refreshing the value for the tag |
| 19:44.14 | pelf | UNIT_HEALTH seems like SUPER overkill |
| 19:44.31 | foxlit | use it anyway? |
| 19:44.32 | mikma | pelf: combat log parsing, YEY \o/ |
| 19:44.58 | pelf | foxlit: i guess i could trust libdogtag to not be dumb about it |
| 19:45.04 | mikma | pelf: "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" - have fun! |
| 19:45.14 | pelf | that part's written already :) |
| 19:45.35 | foxlit | the library might well have some API to notify it about things it should reevaluate |
| 19:45.36 | mikma | well you can catch pretty much anything that happens around you with CLEU |
| 19:45.55 | mikma | heals around you? no problem! and taunts around you? no problem! |
| 19:46.04 | mikma | that reminds me, i need to write a taunt buster addon :DDD |
| 19:46.24 | foxlit | But honestly, if UNIT_HEALTH works for you, use it. It's unlikely that it's going to cause the cataclysm. |
| 19:46.35 | mikma | foxlit: it already did! lolo |
| 19:47.21 | pelf | foxlit: it does, it looks like this in the tag definition |
| 19:47.35 | pelf | events = "UNIT_ATTACK_POWER#$unit;UNIT_STATS#$unit" |
| 19:47.54 | pelf | you tell it what events firing should trigger a reevaluation |
| 19:48.32 | Semlar | mikma you could also do it like this http://pastebin.com/zkuNSiQG |
| 19:52.29 | pelf | there is this UNIT_HEAL_PREDICTION event... |
| 19:52.34 | pelf | but wowprogramming has no documentation onit |
| 19:53.47 | foxlit | pelf: fires when the incoming heal prediction for a unit updates, with the first argument specifying the unit. |
| 19:54.22 | pelf | hmm |
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| 19:56.06 | Adys | can anyone recommend a good single-room electric heater under £100 ($160)? |
| 19:56.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:56.19 | Shirik | I just can't remember its name |
| 19:56.19 | Adys | Thanks! |
| 19:56.24 | Adys | I'm off |
| 19:56.24 | Adys | bye! |
| 19:56.50 | Shirik | what |
| 19:56.53 | pelf | eventtrace pointed out UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT ... that appears to be (unitId, spellName, ?, ?, ?[number]) |
| 19:56.59 | Mr_Rabies | might wanna look into vornado |
| 19:57.09 | Mr_Rabies | they have some pretty great fan/heater combos |
| 19:57.31 | pelf | that one looks perfect |
| 19:57.39 | Adys | Mr_Rabies: Im not too keen on fan heaters |
| 19:57.43 | Adys | dont like the noise =/ |
| 19:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | ah, those oil heaters are pretty nice then if you want quiet |
| 19:58.11 | Adys | yeah |
| 19:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.amazon.com/DeLonghi-TRD0715T-Safeheat-Portable-Oil-Filled/dp/B000A33B1C don't know if this brand is any good, but this type of heater |
| 19:59.02 | Adys | precisely yeah |
| 19:59.06 | Adys | but i need help with the brands :P |
| 19:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 19:59.27 | Shirik | you don't want a fan one? |
| 19:59.30 | Shirik | why not :( |
| 19:59.34 | Adys | Because |
| 19:59.38 | Adys | I have enough fans as it is |
| 19:59.45 | Semlar | he's not a fan |
| 20:00.07 | Shirik | I had one of these if you really want an oil one. http://www.amazon.com/Pelonis-500-watt-Portable-Electric-Oil-filled/dp/B009H9A44W/ref=sr_1_19?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1358625519&sr=1-19 |
| 20:00.25 | Shirik | but I much prefer my ceramic fan one |
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| 20:00.57 | Adys | Pelonis, is that good? |
| 20:00.59 | Adys | it sounds like Penis |
| 20:01.01 | Adys | must be good |
| 20:02.17 | Shirik | I was happy with it |
| 20:02.24 | Adys | I bet you were! |
| 20:09.14 | pelf | is there any way to programmatically "dump" an object as if you gave it to the /dump command? |
| 20:09.58 | Adys | pelf: something like DevTools_Dump() |
| 20:10.04 | pelf | checking |
| 20:10.12 | Adys | pelf: grep the sources for /dump |
| 20:11.02 | pelf | yeah, i've been down this road once before and i don't think i actually ever found what i was looking for ... |
| 20:11.10 | pelf | do i have to load something to get that function available/ |
| 20:12.05 | Adys | er |
| 20:12.24 | Adys | what does /dump SlashCmdList.DUMP say! |
| 20:12.26 | Adys | ?* |
| 20:13.02 | pelf | let's see |
| 20:13.12 | Semlar | SlashCmdList['DUMP']() |
| 20:13.14 | pelf | it's a function |
| 20:13.22 | Adys | there you go then |
| 20:13.25 | pelf | so how do i introspect its parameters... |
| 20:13.30 | Adys | SlashCmdList.DUMP(foo) |
| 20:13.33 | pelf | or do i just throw stuff.. yeah |
| 20:13.54 | pelf | sigh. |
| 20:14.04 | pelf | well that's depressingly simple |
| 20:14.21 | Semlar | why is that depressing |
| 20:14.27 | Adys | because its blizzard |
| 20:14.33 | Adys | everything is fucking depressing with blizzard |
| 20:15.13 | pelf | it's just one of those moments where my brain was overcomplicating something simple |
| 20:15.54 | Adys | is Dexter any good? (the show) |
| 20:16.07 | Semlar | i like it |
| 20:16.22 | pelf | ok, so it's not that simple ... that function blows up if i give it a table |
| 20:16.37 | Semlar | it might convert it to a string |
| 20:16.37 | foxlit | it's expecting a string, duh. |
| 20:17.10 | Semlar | tostring() |
| 20:17.19 | pelf | looking at source |
| 20:17.21 | foxlit | Semlar: which is completely pointless. |
| 20:17.26 | Semlar | you're completely pointless |
| 20:18.38 | foxlit | if you tostring the table you want to dump, you'll (a) make it impossible to dump it's contents (b) get a different error because tostring'ed tables don't parse as valid lua code. |
| 20:19.45 | pelf | DevTools_DumpCommand is the one i want, that's global |
| 20:19.50 | pelf | it takes msg, editbox |
| 20:20.03 | pelf | branches to the other handlers from there |
| 20:20.09 | pelf | is there a global for the default editbox? |
| 20:20.30 | foxlit | pelf: it never uses the editbox, so you don't have to provide it. |
| 20:20.36 | pelf | ah, trying |
| 20:22.05 | Semlar | i think you can probably also just wrap the value you feed to the function in [[ ]] |
| 20:23.00 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.11 | pelf | what are double square brackets? |
| 20:24.39 | Semlar | literal string |
| 20:25.22 | Semlar | tostring apparently does something else |
| 20:27.11 | pelf | ok, i give up, where are the game slash commands registered inteh source? |
| 20:28.02 | Semlar | https://github.com/Ketho/wow-ui-source/tree/ptr/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua |
| 20:28.16 | pelf | seriously? sigh. |
| 20:28.32 | Semlar | UIParentLoadAddOn("Blizzard_DebugTools"); DevTools_DumpCommand(msg); |
| 20:28.40 | kd3 | most of them aren't centrally defined, but get added to a global table |
| 20:29.13 | pelf | this throws an error /run DevTools_DumpCommand({}) |
| 20:29.24 | Semlar | because msg is a string |
| 20:29.28 | Semlar | coming from the text box |
| 20:29.37 | pelf | so how does... |
| 20:29.37 | pelf | ohhh |
| 20:29.37 | pelf | oh. |
| 20:29.56 | foxlit | (you should really be using DevTools_Dump, not DevTools_DumpCommand) |
| 20:30.24 | Semlar | i didn't even know some of these slash commands existed |
| 20:30.41 | pelf | i looked for that one first ... wasn't there then, i guess the addon wasn't loaded |
| 20:30.55 | foxlit | Yes. Call LoadAddOn("Blizzard_DebugTools") first |
| 20:33.26 | mikma | i have a neat problem |
| 20:33.37 | mikma | there ain't no proper way of knowing that you are in a scenario |
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| 20:33.49 | Semlar | there ain't? |
| 20:34.10 | Semlar | i reckon there might be |
| 20:34.12 | foxlit | there was that comic |
| 20:34.42 | mikma | GetInstanceInfo() returns "name", nil |
| 20:34.51 | Semlar | what does IsInScenarioGroup do |
| 20:35.07 | Semlar | or C_Scenario.IsInScenario |
| 20:35.11 | mikma | i can't tell you now, I am not in one |
| 20:35.28 | foxlit | but I can't seem to find it. It's general point was that if you want to get help in public chat channels, the most effective strategy is to start with a deliberately wrong statement and wait for people to correct you. |
| 20:35.51 | Semlar | that's my excuse for being wrong all the time |
| 20:36.26 | End_ | I remember there being a bash.org quote along those lines |
| 20:36.42 | pelf | so, if i'm in a function and i want to pass the vararg to that dump function... how would i do that? |
| 20:37.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.18 | pelf | yeah, so do i pass that, as a string? |
| 20:37.24 | Semlar | iunno |
| 20:37.26 | Semlar | what are you trying to do |
| 20:37.29 | pelf | yeah ... |
| 20:37.32 | pelf | i just want to see what's in it |
| 20:37.40 | pelf | want to see what libdogtag is passing to the function |
| 20:37.48 | Semlar | oh |
| 20:37.50 | Semlar | just hook it |
| 20:38.13 | pelf | it's my function it's calling |
| 20:38.27 | Semlar | so print it? |
| 20:38.36 | pelf | print doesn't tell me what's in it ;) |
| 20:38.40 | pelf | it just tells me it's a table |
| 20:38.51 | Semlar | for k,v in pairs(table) do print(k,v) end |
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| 20:39.08 | Semlar | well if it's actually passing a table |
| 20:39.19 | pelf | tbh, i have no idea what it is |
| 20:39.23 | Semlar | if you just want the args you can print(...) |
| 20:39.36 | pelf | i did that, it just told me the memory address |
| 20:39.42 | Benalish | ç_ç |
| 20:40.07 | pelf | i guess i'll just loop manually ... shame on me for trying to use something that's already there to do something simple :| |
| 20:40.10 | Semlar | it's probably passing a frame |
| 20:40.52 | Semlar | why don't you look up the function in dogtag |
| 20:41.06 | pelf | yeah unfortunately the dogtag compiler is a bit of dense code |
| 20:41.29 | Semlar | it's a library, i'm guessing the functions are documented |
| 20:41.54 | pelf | wouldn't that be nice |
| 20:41.56 | Semlar | what function are you looking for |
| 20:42.06 | pelf | ckknight didn't put many comments in his code :) |
| 20:42.17 | pelf | ok, so it's a table of three tables |
| 20:42.27 | pelf | hooray we're getting somewhere |
| 20:43.47 | Semlar | AddCallback? |
| 20:44.31 | karl_w_w | is vampiric embrace on the gcd? |
| 20:44.51 | Semlar | also isn't this library from like 4 years ago |
| 20:44.51 | pelf | i just had a possible stroke of genius |
| 20:45.08 | pelf | i think so .. dogtags are still in pretty broad use, though |
| 20:45.47 | Semlar | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/LibDogTag-3.0/API_Documentation |
| 20:46.13 | pelf | i've been there, it's not comprehensive |
| 20:46.18 | pelf | but i'll check again |
| 20:47.27 | Benalish | anyone can help me with LibButtonFacade? :) |
| 20:48.03 | pelf | yeah, the entire information table that configures the tag is described in four words |
| 20:55.48 | pelf | wow ... well, if you assign a function and not a string to the events key of the data table, it passes a data structure that represents the entire text of the tag(s) being evaluated |
| 20:55.50 | pelf | why the hell... |
| 20:59.42 | karl_w_w | how much valor do you get from normal raids? |
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| 21:01.41 | zenzelezz | "Apocalypse Now was the film that nearly unraveled Coppola and his sanity, much like what happens with the main character in the book it is based on. The story was passed around between Coppola, George Lucas, and Steven Spielberg, and at one point Lucas was going to film it as a black comedy." |
| 21:01.53 | zenzelezz | it seems like Lucas has always been intent on ruining things |
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| 21:05.27 | pelf | if {...} would put the vararg in a table, what would (...) do? |
| 21:05.43 | Semlar | nothin |
| 21:06.11 | pelf | local arg1 = (...) |
| 21:06.14 | pelf | from the source |
| 21:06.15 | Semlar | oh |
| 21:06.26 | Semlar | it would restrict it to only returning one value |
| 21:06.34 | pelf | no shit? why is that? |
| 21:07.14 | Semlar | like if you have a function that returns multiple values and you only want the first one you can put it inside of parentheses |
| 21:07.26 | nevcairiel | local arg1 = (...) is equal to local arg1 = ... |
| 21:07.30 | Semlar | if you're doing local arg1 = (...) it's no different than doing .. yeah |
| 21:07.49 | Semlar | what nev said |
| 21:07.51 | nevcairiel | but in general it reduces it to one value, yea |
| 21:08.11 | Semlar | BUT if you do something like print(functionThatReturnsMultipleValues()) it prints ALL the values |
| 21:08.20 | Semlar | so if you only want one you can put it inside of parentheses |
| 21:08.30 | karl_w_w | holy crap I never knew that, that's heaps of usefulness |
| 21:08.32 | pelf | print((func())) |
| 21:08.32 | pelf | ? |
| 21:08.34 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:08.38 | pelf | wtf? |
| 21:08.43 | pelf | what's the reason that's in Lua? |
| 21:08.51 | Semlar | well, i've used it |
| 21:08.56 | nevcairiel | how else would you make it pring only one value? |
| 21:09.00 | Semlar | i discovered it on accident really |
| 21:09.03 | nevcairiel | a temporary variable in between? |
| 21:09.10 | pelf | well, what about just two? or three? |
| 21:10.18 | Semlar | it's more often that you only want the first value from a function |
| 21:10.21 | nevcairiel | can't cover everything, and one is the most common |
| 21:10.29 | foxlit | it's not even intentional |
| 21:10.32 | Semlar | if you want more you can just assign them to variables |
| 21:10.35 | foxlit | () makes the function call an expression |
| 21:10.51 | foxlit | expressions are always a single value :) |
| 21:10.51 | Semlar | yeah i have no idea what it's really for |
| 21:11.36 | Semlar | i've used it for feeding a function directly into another function as an argument but only wanted it to give it one thing |
| 21:11.38 | pelf | ahhhhh there we go |
| 21:11.41 | pelf | it's the expression operator |
| 21:11.57 | pelf | heh, or .. expression caster thingey |
| 21:12.09 | pelf | expression creation operator! i don't know. |
| 21:12.22 | foxlit | ( ) are just parentheses. |
| 21:12.28 | karl_w_w | it's for saving space in macros, Semlar :P |
| 21:12.59 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 21:14.03 | pelf | man, after all the research i've had to do into the stupid dogtag compiler, i feel like i'm almost obligated to write it down somewhere... |
| 21:14.22 | pelf | ck wrote a really ridiculously flexible thing ... just didn't document it at all |
| 21:14.26 | nevcairiel | people still use fucking dogtags? |
| 21:14.35 | pelf | they're still in a lot of stuff, yea |
| 21:14.42 | pelf | TellMeWhen, for one |
| 21:14.56 | nevcairiel | just use luatags, equally ridiculous, but not its own fucking language |
| 21:15.13 | pelf | i'll just rip dogtags out of TMW and replace it with luatags |
| 21:15.17 | pelf | i'll let you know when i'm done :) |
| 21:17.34 | foxlit | Torhal: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=272142&postcount=4 << I think you're too optimistic. |
| 21:18.48 | Dark_Elf | dang look at that hair |
| 21:39.24 | foxlit | https://mega.co.nz/#pro << heh, those bandwidth prices |
| 21:39.43 | pelf | it works. thank god. |
| 21:40.44 | kd3 | 8tb of bandwidth for 30euro? meh |
| 21:42.21 | foxlit | S3 is 38$ / 1 TB at its cheapest end of the scale (at 5000+ TB). |
| 21:42.59 | foxlit | er, no, I'm reading the wrong thing |
| 21:44.00 | foxlit | 50$ / 1 TB (at 500 TB / month) |
| 21:45.56 | Thunder_Child | interesting, looks like galcon 2 is going to offer lua based modding. |
| 21:55.40 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac6N2DhBGi4#t=22m15s << I must fix this usability trap, but it's a pain :( |
| 21:56.10 | nevcairiel | i have no idea what he says |
| 21:56.23 | nevcairiel | he seems to be clicking around rather randomly |
| 21:56.40 | foxlit | I cheated by linking without much context. |
| 21:56.49 | nevcairiel | also, french |
| 21:56.55 | foxlit | He's creating a new link, then goes to modify the binding... and finds that the ring isn't actually created yet. |
| 21:56.59 | foxlit | s/link/ring/ |
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| 22:30.55 | kullervo | *something* is making a clicking sound every second |
| 22:31.12 | Humbedooh | stop using IE6 then |
| 22:31.21 | smcn | lol i was just going to say something about ie |
| 22:31.23 | foxlit | you're only in trouble if it starts speeding up. |
| 22:33.17 | kullervo | and I don't get the reference |
| 22:34.01 | Thunder_Child | a bomb |
| 22:34.29 | Mr_Rabies | oh my god jc a bomb |
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| 22:54.53 | haste | Fisker: because |
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| 23:00.47 | pelf | funny thing about me asking if you could raise a custom event; the dogtag library *does* actually let you "raise" an event by any name you want (internal to the library, obviously) which you can handle by name |
| 23:01.05 | pelf | so i can just raise an event when i want the thing to update from my combat log event handler |
| 23:01.07 | pelf | zing. |
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