| 00:00.38 | cbreak | and I would not have thought that this is possible, but microsoft managed to make skype even worse than it was before |
| 00:00.59 | VIad | you can use older skype btw, it won't force you to upgrade |
| 00:01.05 | VIad | using 4.X something myself ;D |
| 00:01.12 | VIad | to avoid the new "features" that I found more annoying |
| 00:01.20 | cbreak | I don't want to use their shitty client |
| 00:01.23 | cbreak | I want to use adium |
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| 00:01.31 | VIad | I want to use pidgin but yeah |
| 00:01.45 | Arrowmaster | im using skype 4.1 because its the only version |
| 00:01.55 | cbreak | but like the rest in skype, their API is worthless |
| 00:02.03 | cbreak | half the messages get lost |
| 00:02.12 | VIad | Arrowmaster: I use 4.2 and it's the old one, you have 5.X or 6.X by now :P |
| 00:02.21 | cbreak | and you always have to run that resource hog in the background |
| 00:02.23 | Arrowmaster | VIad: no 4.1 is the latest |
| 00:02.27 | Arrowmaster | for linux |
| 00:02.30 | VIad | linux yes |
| 00:02.31 | VIad | :p |
| 00:03.01 | VIad | I think 4.X is the best, but that's like saying you prefer the dog shit over the buffalo shit |
| 00:04.49 | Amarande | Ergh. Speaking of shit - from The Guardian: "[Obama's] 19 measures [regarding preventing another Sandy Hook tragedy] may include tracking of gun sales, addressing violence in video games and providing schools with extra cash for security." |
| 00:04.54 | TC-work | Cow shit is by far the best. They make Frisbees. |
| 00:04.58 | Amarande | "Addressing violence in video games." In a legislative proposal. |
| 00:05.15 | Amarande | We're about to see the game market get pushed into censored ruin, Lieberman succeeding at the eleventh hour because of Lanza, aren't we. :| |
| 00:05.50 | Amarande | Given that the 19 measures are probably going to get pushed into a single bill, which means there's no chance of any attack on video games failing this time because the other 18 are going to be considered too important to throw away ... |
| 00:06.23 | bleeter | and for the record |
| 00:06.24 | bleeter | NO |
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| 00:06.38 | bleeter | we've NEVER tried to reverse engineer the WoW Armory app to get a battle.net chat plugin for pidgin |
| 00:06.46 | bleeter | just wanted you all to be clear about that |
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| 00:07.06 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/16lmsi/europe_according_to_i_figured_id_post_all_of/ |
| 00:08.20 | bleeter | Amarande: you think addressing violence in video games via legislation is stupid? Right at this moment our PM seems to be announcing they're going to legislate against trolls... |
| 00:08.31 | Amarande | bleeter: what country? |
| 00:08.40 | bleeter | australia |
| 00:09.15 | bleeter | she's standing in front of a 'kids safe' sign with 'macafee - an intel company' written all over it |
| 00:09.49 | Amarande | ah, I was wondering at first if it were England |
| 00:09.50 | pompy | http://i.minus.com/iq2MuyI0UDh1a.gif ... |
| 00:09.59 | Amarande | since I already, being a Guardian reader, know quite well that David Cameron is a moron |
| 00:10.31 | bleeter | pompy: neat |
| 00:11.17 | bleeter | long horse is long |
| 00:11.32 | Amarande | bleeter: except *how* would they address it via legislation? |
| 00:12.54 | Amarande | time to say goodbye to all the small indie games because small devs won't be able to afford to have their games rated, I'm guessing? |
| 00:12.57 | bleeter | Amarande: I think you misunderstand a large chunk of political discourse by leaders. Most of the time, it's better to say one's planning on doing something about it, than actually doing something about it. Least what's done turns out to be shite |
| 00:13.09 | Fisker | http://news.yahoo.com/news-outlets-improperly-used-photos-posted-twitter-judge-202555483--finance.html Lol |
| 00:13.20 | bleeter | qv The Great Aussie Firewall by Stephen Conroy |
| 00:13.35 | Amarande | (Again, the distinct feeling is that all of the Sandy Hook measures are probably going to be put in a single bill, which means any odious ones are certain to become odious law, because voting against it means voting against the whole bill and then you're tarred as Hating The Children) |
| 00:13.48 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: the ESRB lets phone game devs rate themselves |
| 00:14.11 | Amarande | The only positive point is that at least ESRB doesn't have Refused Classification, unlike some other ratings boards. :S |
| 00:14.52 | bleeter | I'm still amused that WoW didn't have a classification until around the time I threatened to get it banned >< |
| 00:14.54 | Amarande | In some countries there's apparently such a thing as banned media because the ratings board can refuse it classification, and without a rating you can't distribute |
| 00:15.12 | bleeter | also, still amused that it's illegal to get Pulp Fiction on iTunes but I can buy it in the local DVD store |
| 00:15.17 | Amarande | Arrow: what about PC, though? |
| 00:15.39 | Fisker | why is it illegal? |
| 00:15.41 | Amarande | bleeter: illegal? oh, right, Australia, you guys still do have RC I think |
| 00:15.44 | Amarande | Fisker: probably RC |
| 00:15.46 | Arrowmaster | no clue but ratings are required in the US so you dont have to get the ESRB to rate it |
| 00:15.49 | bleeter | Amarande: in some US states, you can't distribute some stuff across state borders |
| 00:16.14 | bleeter | actually, Pulp Fiction may be legal now I think of it. |
| 00:16.17 | Amarande | Fisker: in some countries, not only is it mandatory to have content rated to be allowed to distribute it, but the ratings board is also able to refuse a work a rating |
| 00:16.31 | Amarande | and a work refused a rating is essentially banned, since it has not the required certificate |
| 00:16.47 | Amarande | as opposed to say ESRB or MPAA, where the worst that they can do is give you AO or NC-17 |
| 00:16.48 | bleeter | Originally, there's R18+ for movies, but there was no R18+ for computer games. downloaded content were part of the section of legislation that covered computer games as well |
| 00:17.08 | bleeter | so when downloadable movies came along, if the physical movie on DVD was R18+, the electronic version would not be available |
| 00:17.41 | bleeter | this stupid stupid situation was ... pointed out... by a bunch of activisits (WHO I KNOW NONE OF, NATURALLY) by complaining lots to the standards boards |
| 00:17.55 | bleeter | about movies we could buy at the local shop and on iTunes that shouldn't be available on iTunes |
| 00:17.58 | Amarande | heh, and now these days it's becoming more and more dangerous to be an activist |
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| 00:18.36 | Amarande | there's a very large tide of sentiment suggesting that Aaron Swartz was bullied to death by the government, his successful campaign against SOPA being the final *real* straw and JSTOR/MIT just being an excuse |
| 00:18.39 | bleeter | so there were a whooole buncha films we got banned from digital distribution to prove the point and get the laws changed. which they did a week or so ago. |
| 00:18.43 | bleeter | s/we/they/ |
| 00:18.45 | bleeter | damnit! |
| 00:18.51 | pompy | http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/security/skyde-software-sends-hidden-messages-in-skype-calls- |
| 00:19.09 | bleeter | skyde++ |
| 00:19.18 | Amarande | keep in mind that JSTOR thought he shouldn't go to jail, especially once he turned over the hard drive to them |
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| 00:19.28 | Arrowmaster | ok im out |
| 00:19.34 | Amarande | but that's why the legal system is as Byzantine as it is. it's not because they expect you to comply with everything. |
| 00:19.56 | Amarande | on the contrary, it's because they expect you NOT to be able to comply with everything, that way if you're a big enough pain in the government and 1%'s ass, they have something to pick you up on |
| 00:20.11 | Fisker | man pompy |
| 00:20.12 | Amarande | basically, you could call it the Capone gambit, seeing as they had to use tax law to get him since they could never make the racketeering stuff stick |
| 00:20.47 | bleeter | wish I could find that study where some bored researcher worked out that if we read every ToS/EULA we were presented with, on average given 8 hour workday 5 days week, we'd lose (iirc) 2.5 years of our life |
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| 00:21.53 | bleeter | YAY EXTRA EMERGENCY MAINTENANCE! |
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| 00:22.30 | Fisker | I hope Google makes this hypocritical self-rigtheous blog called something like "Google on the issues of where they were previously the antagonist" and slams Microsoft |
| 00:23.11 | bleeter | Amarande: the byzantine nature of law is changing, it's true. one major reason for lawyers/solicitors is that, previously, unreasonable for avg educated person to carry every legal book around with them |
| 00:23.33 | Amarande | Anyway, though, based on that Guardian article about what Obama's going to propose, is it time to expect that hard censorship of video games in the US is going to be inevitable now, thanks to Sandy Hook happening at a point where Lieberman still had time to get a word in? :| |
| 00:23.37 | bleeter | Amarande: thus, we have 'experts' who did. however, now everyone carries all the legal rulings ever published in their phone (so to speak) |
| 00:23.39 | Fisker | also after reading it has nothing to do with that |
| 00:23.44 | Fisker | fuuuuuu |
| 00:24.21 | Amarande | Two weeks. He had two more weeks in the Senate. JUST enough time to stir the shit about video games again and possibly actually succeed this time. Damn you, Joe. |
| 00:24.30 | bleeter | lawyer mate of mine is real eager to track down that ToS/EULA study thing. If anyone remembers where it is, etc. please ping me :) |
| 00:24.35 | VIad | skype has android version |
| 00:24.41 | VIad | means we can reverse engineer the java? |
| 00:24.54 | Amarande | bleeter: actually, the Byzantine nature of laws is used in yet another nasty way to ensure loyalty to the machine |
| 00:25.01 | Amarande | Conrad Black was a good example of that |
| 00:25.08 | Fisker | The US is so scared of gun violence that they ban plastic gun controllers before guns Lol |
| 00:25.28 | Amarande | if you actually ARE a 1%er and you don't have sufficient loyalty to The Machine? Then after they find some technicality in the books to pick you up on, they make sure to freeze all that money |
| 00:25.43 | Amarande | so that you're not able to actually field that legal team that actually is good enough to actually go toe to toe with Federals |
| 00:25.49 | bleeter | 6 y/o kid had his christmas presents taken off him at the local airport because he may try to take over the plane with them |
| 00:26.02 | Amarande | Instead, oh, sorry, you don't have access to any funds! You'll have to take that public defender who's only able to get you a plea deal. |
| 00:26.35 | bleeter | apparently that also included a roll of sticky tape which he was 'likely to be able tie up the flight attendants with' ... a 6 y/o ... RAAAAGE |
| 00:27.22 | Fisker | pls bleeter never saw home alone? jeez pick up a book. |
| 00:28.12 | bleeter | Fisker: a plane is not a home... okay well it is for some people but if it's a home for a 6y/o kid then maybe authoritieis should be involved what i c wut u did thar aarhaghaghagh |
| 00:29.03 | Amarande | Fisker: presumably the makers of plastic gun controllers etc. don't have enough clout :) |
| 00:29.11 | Amarande | You got clout? You can do ANYTHING, look at HSBC. |
| 00:29.41 | Amarande | Hell. HSBC apparently didn't even keep their laundering of drug money anything *resembling* a secret, they literally took boxes of cash from Mexican drug lords with a nod and a smile |
| 00:30.08 | Amarande | Apparently the drug lords even got such good service from the bank that they actually went to the effort to design special boxes for depositing the money, that were just the right size to put through the teller window |
| 00:30.52 | Fisker | D: |
| 00:31.01 | Amarande | You don't have clout? Break something obscure enough that it's basically title 1423782, section 3434, subsection 1313439, sub-sub-section Q, part XVI, sub-part iii., and you can expect to see Halley's Comet's next coming from your prison window. |
| 00:31.58 | Amarande | You not only don't have clout, but you dare to speak about the ills of the system? Then you end up like Aaron Swartz, where they actively go fishing for something to nab you on and then no matter how tenuous the case, they stick to it like John Wayne Gacy was a better person than you. |
| 00:32.46 | Amarande | (Hell, in many cases, apparently including Swartz's, actual murderers face less potential time in jail. :P) |
| 00:37.00 | Amarande | bleeter: also, in the US, a lot of legal information is paywalled, since databases like PACER were supposed to be free to the public, but then were turned into a nice source of revenue, so it's not like you folks in Aus :| |
| 00:37.20 | Amarande | that's one of the things Swartz did to piss off the government, was he was trying to liberate things like that from the paywall so they'd *actually be free* |
| 00:38.18 | durcyn | is there a single thing you can't ramble on mindlessly about, Amarande? |
| 00:41.23 | Stanzilla | I named my char on a eRP server amarande |
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| 00:41.50 | durcyn | http://securityblog.verizonbusiness.com/2013/01/14/case-study-pro-active-log-review-might-be-a-good-idea/ |
| 00:44.13 | bleeter | durcyn: neat trick if you can get it |
| 00:44.18 | Amarande | durcyn: not surprising :S |
| 00:44.39 | Amarande | I remember reading a few months ago about some out-of-the-box store-bought PCs having spyware on them paid for by Beijing |
| 00:45.12 | Amarande | It apparently went something like this ... the poster relating the tale said that he was helping install some new network stuff in a school |
| 00:45.23 | zenzelezz | whenever someone says "skull and cross-bones", I hear "skull and crossbows" |
| 00:45.35 | Amarande | and he looks at the router he's working on and next thing there's all kinds of very strange traffic showing up in the logs |
| 00:45.53 | Amarande | turns out it's from a computer that's just been taken out of the package and turned on in a classroom ... and that the IP address was from China |
| 00:46.05 | bleeter | oh neat, another 787 dreamliner's caught on fire |
| 00:46.17 | Amarande | Actually turned out to be a Chinese government agency, they found the contact phone and got someone who knew Mandarin on the line and called them ... of course Beijing denied it heh |
| 00:46.24 | bleeter | apparently this one had smoke in the cabin and has just landed at tokyo |
| 00:46.36 | Amarande | bleeter: heh, needs a new name. "Nightmareliner" |
| 00:46.38 | durcyn | so that's a no then, Amarande? |
| 00:46.56 | zenzelezz | you got to wonder if this is some problem with dates; where they worked fine in 2012 but can't handle 2013 |
| 00:47.21 | Amarande | zenzelezz, are you talking about that odd iPhone problem from the beginning of this year? |
| 00:47.41 | zenzelezz | no, it's my quasi-theory about the Dreamliner problems |
| 00:48.22 | Amarande | yeah, that model really isn't working out, is it |
| 00:48.33 | durcyn | obviously due to pilots placing magnetic 2013 calendars on vital avionics in the cockpit |
| 00:49.30 | xyphoid | hey around here there were flights delayed because whoops, daylight savings! |
| 00:49.38 | xyphoid | (jetstar are the worst airline) |
| 00:50.06 | Amarande | xyphoid: worse than JetBlue? |
| 00:50.42 | Amarande | Around here it seems like whenever you hear an airline horror story, it's JetBlue |
| 00:51.22 | Amarande | The flight where the attendant made a passenger spend the entire flight on the can was JetBlue, so was the one where a flight attendant freaked out on the ground and fled out the emergency chute, so was the one where the captain went crazy on the intercom |
| 00:53.36 | bleeter | zenzelezz: the suggestion from the guy who wrote that pidgin steam thing, is that the dreamliner problems are because of the mayan calendar thing |
| 00:53.57 | bleeter | zenzelezz: not because of the actual 2012/13 thing as you suggest |
| 00:54.15 | Amarande | bleeter: hah, that's a laugh |
| 00:54.17 | bleeter | I'm inclined to believe the mayan thing more, no offence meant |
| 00:54.27 | Amarande | especially given that if there's one thing that wouldn't have a problem with the Mayan calendar in 2012, it would be computers |
| 00:54.38 | Amarande | they'd just zero out all the numbers and bump up from 12.x to 13.x and that would be that :) |
| 00:55.12 | bleeter | I'm sure Shirik will confirm the dreamliner's problems with the mayan calendar RSN |
| 00:55.39 | bleeter | (by denying it, naturally) |
| 01:14.45 | kd3 | uh-oh; Pakistani Supreme Court orders arrest of the prime minister while their army is trading shots with the Indians in Kashmir. In related news, researchers discover the Mayans forgot to carry the one [NewsFlash] |
| 01:14.50 | kd3 | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/15/pakistan-orders-arrest-prime-minister |
| 01:16.13 | bleeter | with all due respect, seems to me if pakistan aren't arresting their PM their imprisoning their PM or blowing them up |
| 01:17.25 | bleeter | ie, actually doing what many in 'the west' imagine doing to their own leaders |
| 01:19.19 | Amarande | "We're sorry. Your order of December 25, 'Peace on Earth', is presently out of stock. We do not have an estimated delivery date at this time, but we will email you when the item is in stock and ready for shipment." |
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| 01:29.31 | Amarande | hrm |
| 01:29.34 | Amarande | to get back to the topic of wow |
| 01:29.58 | Amarande | is it my computer or is the game not really capable of rendering properly as you move at 451% speed? |
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| 01:30.45 | Amarande | I'm finding that with 310% flyer and the guild mounted speed perk, when I'm trying to do flyovers to locate things like dark soil nodes, there's a noticeable lag in things rendering compared to my approaching them, unless I actively stop-and-go |
| 01:30.45 | kd3 | rendering how? even on my crap connection the only issue I have is npcs being occasionally slow to load |
| 01:31.01 | bleeter | fires off the start of creating his local F18 mirror |
| 01:31.22 | Amarande | kd3: I mean if you just fly over something watching for something, objects don't load fast enough for you to properly see all of them as you fly over going at full-tilt 451% |
| 01:31.32 | kd3 | I'm going to install tomorrow when my new mSATA ssd gets here (hopefully) |
| 01:31.42 | Amarande | so you end up missing things because you fly past before they render |
| 01:31.46 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure they delay the loading of things on purpose |
| 01:31.51 | bleeter | kd3: yeah I'm gunna go out at get really drunk while the mirror takes place |
| 01:32.27 | Semlar | so it doesn't have to render every object you fly over when you're going across the entire zone |
| 01:33.43 | Amarande | Semlar: then it's a pity we don't have the ability to speed-shift on flying mounts :| |
| 01:33.45 | bleeter | also, might go play with the 12 metre tall theramin that's been put up for this week |
| 01:34.14 | Amarande | as it seems (e.g., dark soil hunting) that being able to fly at the slow speed would be useful |
| 01:35.04 | Semlar | arrowmaster are you around |
| 01:37.04 | Amarande | and on that matter also, is 451% the fastest possible movement speed in WoW? |
| 01:37.40 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: maybe |
| 01:38.00 | Semlar | i was trying to figure out how you made the database for this instance maps addon |
| 01:38.21 | Semlar | i mean these paths don't appear to exist |
| 01:38.46 | Arrowmaster | InstanceMaps? |
| 01:38.47 | Semlar | although it's a few years old so they may not actually exist |
| 01:38.57 | Semlar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/instance-maps/ |
| 01:38.59 | Amarande | 310% mount + guild movement perk = 451%, I keep wondering if you can move faster than that, but as far as I can tell, none of the other movement speed buffs I know of stack with mounts |
| 01:39.02 | Arrowmaster | they were all in the mpqs at one point |
| 01:39.11 | Amarande | (except for the old riding crop, but since that can be used only at level 69-70, it can only be used with 280%, not 310%) |
| 01:39.32 | Semlar | well, all the map information is stored as strings of characters |
| 01:39.35 | Arrowmaster | and i didnt really write that, its all stolen from ckknights scary cartographer stuff |
| 01:39.40 | Semlar | ah |
| 01:39.57 | Arrowmaster | but i reversed enough of it to fix it multiple times |
| 01:40.05 | Arrowmaster | nobody else could/would |
| 01:40.25 | Semlar | well i know how to draw the regular minimap textures, but the ones for instances are in the wmo files |
| 01:40.55 | Arrowmaster | so what are you stuck on |
| 01:41.16 | Semlar | in the file there's tex:SetTexture("textures\\Minimap\\" .. file) |
| 01:41.30 | Semlar | if i just had the full path to one of the textures i could probably figure out how to extract everything |
| 01:41.45 | Semlar | that is not the path to the normal texture files though |
| 01:41.48 | Arrowmaster | those textures are named after hashes i think |
| 01:41.59 | Semlar | so i need the md5 list |
| 01:42.03 | Arrowmaster | maybe |
| 01:42.16 | Arrowmaster | do you have the script that creates the maps for InstanceMaps? |
| 01:42.42 | Semlar | no |
| 01:42.44 | Arrowmaster | thats the really scary script |
| 01:42.59 | Arrowmaster | oh i think its in the repo for instance maps |
| 01:43.01 | Arrowmaster | check the svn |
| 01:43.14 | Semlar | i'm not sure the svn still exists |
| 01:43.30 | Arrowmaster | it should |
| 01:44.09 | Arrowmaster | i shall whip Torhal|work with a pool noddle if it doesnt |
| 01:45.35 | Arrowmaster | has to install svn |
| 01:46.05 | Semlar | i don't have it installed either |
| 01:46.22 | Semlar | i was going to just try and clone it to github or something |
| 01:46.48 | Arrowmaster | well now that im not on shitty windows, its easy to install it |
| 01:47.34 | Arrowmaster | ah fuck |
| 01:47.42 | Semlar | i only see lua files |
| 01:47.48 | Arrowmaster | the script was a lua file |
| 01:47.55 | Semlar | oh boy |
| 01:48.04 | Arrowmaster | but it was run on the commandline instead of in wow |
| 01:48.15 | Arrowmaster | and im not seeing it |
| 01:48.32 | Semlar | well, i've been parsing the adt and wmo files with python |
| 01:48.49 | Semlar | so that's not much of a problem |
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| 01:49.38 | Semlar | i mean i can get the rotation of the models and stuff |
| 01:49.49 | Arrowmaster | svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/cartographer/mainline/trunk/Cartographer_InstanceMaps/Scripts/pack.lua |
| 01:49.50 | Arrowmaster | found it |
| 01:50.09 | Arrowmaster | there be dragons in that code though |
| 01:50.18 | Arrowmaster | you be warned |
| 01:50.37 | Semlar | you probably wouldn't want to see the code i used to extract the subzones either |
| 01:51.03 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/CADWg.jpg rawr |
| 01:51.05 | Arrowmaster | there are zero comments in that file from what i remember |
| 01:51.23 | Arrowmaster | i have no fucking clue what it is doing 99% of the time |
| 01:52.30 | Arrowmaster | but you should be able to take the output of that script and replace the data file in instance maps with it and try it out |
| 01:52.57 | Arrowmaster | with just a minor edit of what variable its all stored in |
| 01:54.36 | Semlar | for i, x, y, tex in md5text:gmatch("\\" .. map .. "_(%d%d%d)_(%d%d)_(%d%d)%.blp\t(%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x)%.blp") do |
| 01:54.46 | Arrowmaster | you found a dragon |
| 01:55.10 | Semlar | thanks, this should.. probably help |
| 01:55.22 | Arrowmaster | it wont, it really really wont |
| 01:55.27 | Semlar | >_> |
| 01:55.40 | Arrowmaster | unless you find the rest of how the hell to put the damn things together |
| 01:56.08 | Semlar | well i've already had to deal with positioning the wmos on the real map in game |
| 01:56.16 | Semlar | it did take a while to figure out |
| 01:59.59 | Semlar | i think part of the problem is they changed the structure of the mpqs quite a bit |
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| 02:01.04 | Sintacks | anyone know, off the top of their head, how loong it takes to get full/max rested |
| 02:01.42 | kd3 | One bubble of rested XP (5% of your current level) is earned for every 8 hours spent resting. A maximum of 30 bubbles (150% of your current level) may be earned. In other words, you can leave your character resting in an inn or capital city for up to 10 days (without gaining experience) before you earn the maximum amount of rest state, and a resting character stores up one full level of rest in 160 hours (6.67 days). |
| 02:03.32 | Semlar | like, i don't think the md5 file exists any more |
| 02:04.50 | kd3 | md5translate.trs? no |
| 02:05.01 | kd3 | it got removed in 4.0 when they did away with that bit of indirection |
| 02:05.04 | Semlar | and i know the minimap textures have moved |
| 02:05.30 | kd3 | they're in \World\Minimaps |
| 02:05.52 | Semlar | yes, but i'm not sure about the instance maps |
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| 02:06.15 | kd3 | the interior-style ones? they're somewhere in wmo-land |
| 02:06.22 | kd3 | doesn't bother with those |
| 02:06.28 | Semlar | there are wmo files under world\wmo\dungeon\whatever |
| 02:06.40 | Semlar | but i have no idea what the path to their textures files are in-game |
| 02:06.46 | Semlar | because they aren't textures |
| 02:06.56 | Semlar | they're like.. created on the fly or something |
| 02:14.20 | Mr_Rabies | some addon's making me 132 out |
| 02:14.22 | Mr_Rabies | oh joy |
| 02:16.39 | Adys | Semlar: did you get things sorted? |
| 02:16.44 | Adys | zezula added her own stormlib repo btw |
| 02:16.48 | Adys | github.com/stormlib |
| 02:17.00 | Semlar | oh, neat |
| 02:18.11 | pompy | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Apple-Stock-Shares-Decline-AAPL,20464.html ! |
| 02:21.24 | Amarande | yup, people don't want iPhones anymore |
| 02:21.28 | Amarande | not surprised |
| 02:22.06 | Amarande | 1) they're way too expensive compared to at least as good Android offerings like the various Galaxies (heh, no wonder they sued Samsung, the courts can quite often be the last refuge of those who can't compete in the market normally :P) |
| 02:22.28 | Semlar | ha, i figured it out |
| 02:22.43 | Semlar | i may have had to brute force a solution but that's okay |
| 02:22.46 | Amarande | 2) there was the whole maps fiasco, 3) there was the matter that the version of iTunes that was out as of the end of October didn't work with Windows 8, and Apple took ages to get their planned update out (have they even? I haven't loaded iTunes since my Windows 7 days) |
| 02:23.07 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, you sure it's an addon? |
| 02:23.26 | Amarande | The only time I ever had significant issues with 132's was during 2.4, and it turned out to be bad RAM |
| 02:25.38 | Amarande | heh, the fun thing was apparently I'd been running that machine for well over a year with faulty RAM and I didn't manage to diagnose it till then |
| 02:25.44 | Mr_Rabies | yeah amande |
| 02:25.48 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 02:25.51 | Mr_Rabies | Amarande |
| 02:26.09 | Mr_Rabies | disabling outdated addons fixes it |
| 02:26.49 | Semlar | now i just need to figure out how the hell these files fit together |
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| 02:28.36 | Amarande | pompy: heh from the comments |
| 02:28.38 | Amarande | "esterday I was renewing my contract with my carrier, and the guy being attended next to me was telling the guy he didn't want the iPhone 5 because his iPhone 4 was enough, the customer service guy was telling him how the upgrade would be cheap ($250) for a vastly upgraded phone" |
| 02:28.48 | Amarande | rofl, $250 a "cheap" phone upgrade |
| 02:29.02 | Amarande | Android-side, even the Galaxy S III has an upgrade price of $100 now |
| 02:30.10 | Mr_Rabies | the nexus 4 is $300 with no contract, unlocked |
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| 02:47.13 | nebula169 | Mr_Rabies: i just realized that and spent the last 20 minutes reenabling them |
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| 03:31.48 | kullervo | Amarande: "vastly upgraded" |
| 03:32.44 | Sintacks | kd3, thanks for info. |
| 03:34.04 | Amarande | kullervo: vast upgrades indeed, like to your ability to get hopelessly lost while trying to navigate :D |
| 03:42.31 | kd3 | np |
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| 04:05.28 | bluspacecow | *fiskers a fiskery Fisker* |
| 04:09.43 | Semlar | arrowmaster: http://i.imgur.com/UAyu3.jpg >_> |
| 04:10.12 | Semlar | i'm not sure i have this quite right |
| 04:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | looks like it's feature complete |
| 04:16.18 | Mr_Rabies | ship it |
| 04:16.44 | bluspacecow | dip it ! |
| 04:16.48 | bluspacecow | in chocolate! |
| 04:17.01 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: the original script had a lot of stuff to correct things on a per instance basis |
| 04:17.53 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: you should really dig into the original script because there are differences in if an instance is rendered as indoor or outdoor etc |
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| 04:21.46 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: i remember i spent a while working on getting one of the spider dungeons in that central zone of northend working because it was considered an outdoor zone, but it seems thats not in the script |
| 04:22.20 | Semlar | i know any outdoor portions are going to use the adt files for terrain textures |
| 04:22.35 | Semlar | which i actually already know how to use |
| 04:22.46 | Semlar | the wmo parts are new to me |
| 04:22.56 | Arrowmaster | have you gotten any of the dungeon maps for zones listed in that script as "world" working yet |
| 04:23.30 | Semlar | haven't gotten that far yet |
| 04:23.41 | Arrowmaster | start with those |
| 04:29.27 | Semlar | i feel like there aren't enough files here to make the entire instance |
| 04:32.20 | Arrowmaster | Adys: where you archiving different versions of the game files at one time? |
| 04:32.31 | Adys | Arrowmaster: http://dedimine.com/mpq/ |
| 04:34.19 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: you could try what adys has and run the pack.lua script on the old data before they removed md5translate.trs and make the script print out every file used for an instance |
| 04:34.28 | Arrowmaster | that way you can get an idea of what files you need to fine |
| 04:34.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/FDZMw.jpg these aren't exactly in the right spot but even still there's no way this is everything |
| 04:35.55 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/2754664 what now... |
| 04:36.17 | Arrowmaster | Adys: huh? |
| 04:38.43 | Semlar | actually i should probably go in there to make sure |
| 04:42.30 | Arrowmaster | i think it was Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom that i spent a night sitting just inside the instance portal tweaking the pack.lua script, rerunning it, transferring the data over to the addon and reloading the interface to check it |
| 04:42.44 | Arrowmaster | over and over and over |
| 04:43.06 | Semlar | i know that feeling |
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| 04:46.05 | Semlar | arrowmaster am i missing something or are you only using one of the coordinates for the bounding box |
| 04:46.17 | Arrowmaster | i remember Utgarde Pinnacle was a weird one because even though it wasnt using the outdoor stuff, i was still getting the world you can see outside of it and the roof on top of the building so i had to tweak limits |
| 04:46.20 | Semlar | i see "points[i] = { mogi.bbcorner1_1, mogi.bbcorner1_2, mogi.bbcorner1_3 }" but that's only one corner |
| 04:46.40 | Semlar | how are you storing the size of the texture |
| 04:46.42 | Arrowmaster | hey i never wrote pack.lua, i only ever tweaked instance data in it |
| 04:46.50 | Arrowmaster | its a mother fucking dragon man |
| 04:46.52 | Semlar | alright |
| 04:47.05 | Semlar | i'm just wondering if the texture size isn't handled in another script |
| 04:47.08 | Semlar | this is it, right? |
| 04:47.45 | Arrowmaster | pack.lua uses the game files to create the maps and then another script in the addon loads the data to display the maps |
| 04:48.32 | Arrowmaster | i just poked the black box at times and hoped it didnt break |
| 04:48.57 | Semlar | let me check how the maps script gets the width and height |
| 04:50.11 | Semlar | i have a feeling it's cheating |
| 04:50.28 | Semlar | because if you set a texture's size to 0 in game it uses its actual size |
| 04:50.57 | Semlar | instanceMapFrame[i]:SetWidth(0) erg |
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| 04:53.17 | Semlar | MapData[zone] = { unpack(MapData[zone]) } what |
| 04:53.30 | Arrowmaster | ckk could write some amazing stuff but god damn is he a fucking bastard for shitty variable names |
| 04:53.58 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 04:54.20 | Semlar | >_> |
| 04:54.21 | Arrowmaster | what the hell does that even do |
| 04:54.45 | Semlar | well, normally i would say nothing but it has a comment that says it makes it smaller |
| 04:54.49 | Adys | :: xscreensaver: requires perl-libwww |
| 04:54.51 | Adys | SON OF A |
| 04:54.57 | Arrowmaster | makes it smaller? |
| 04:54.58 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 04:55.44 | Arrowmaster | hes throwing out an old table to use a fresh table thats got less keys allocated to it |
| 04:55.53 | Arrowmaster | fucking bastard |
| 04:57.15 | Semlar | more tables! |
| 04:57.23 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: you should see what he did in LibTourist to get the names of all the zones on a continent, he does a loop of moving the mouse to random(0,1),random(0,1) coords and checking the mouseover |
| 04:58.05 | Semlar | that was actually one of my ideas for getting which spots on the map were clickable in my map |
| 04:58.34 | Arrowmaster | but you arent doing it everytime your addon starts for anybody thats using it are you? |
| 04:59.00 | Semlar | i came up with a better plan of just making it so every time you moved your mouse on the map it tried to click |
| 04:59.18 | Semlar | it's a work in progress |
| 05:00.11 | Semlar | the downside is that every time you click the map, even if it doesn't change, it causes a world map update event |
| 05:00.13 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Hopefully that piece of code only happens when it knows it's worthwhile |
| 05:00.40 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: during the initial loading screen |
| 05:02.54 | Primer | jnwhiteh: I've tracked down my addon's client hang issue to a function that I copied from TomTom (I'm positive I asked your permission at the time). It's basically ObjectivesChanged() in TomTom/TomTom_POIIntegration.lua. I'm curious about this: |
| 05:03.07 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.07 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.07 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.24 | Primer | 3 lines...so no pastebin |
| 05:03.32 | Arrowmaster | spammer |
| 05:03.51 | Primer | I also noticed you added this: -- This function may be called while we are processing this function so stop that from happening. |
| 05:04.26 | Primer | I've determined that my addon causes some sort of infinite recursion that the client doesn't detect, and it's happening in the code I borrowed from you |
| 05:04.56 | Primer | basically the function sets a variable that it checks to see if it's set and doesn't run if it is |
| 05:05.02 | Primer | Yet, this method didn't seem to work for me |
| 05:06.58 | Semlar | needs more code |
| 05:08.30 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/flight-hud/blame/trunk/FlightHUD.lua line 1051 |
| 05:08.56 | Primer | I wish curse had some sort of svn/git web |
| 05:09.03 | Primer | So I could link the relevant code from TomTom |
| 05:10.38 | Primer | http://pastebin.ca/2303163 is the code from TomTom |
| 05:13.34 | Primer | crickets... |
| 05:14.03 | Semlar | i have no idea why it's hanging |
| 05:14.27 | Semlar | unless something you're doing inside of your watchframe hook is causing WatchFrame_Update to fire |
| 05:14.29 | Primer | I can't debug this because when I enable my quest POI integration, the client hangs when zoning |
| 05:15.38 | Primer | I know this is the code that is causing the hang because if I disable POI integration (it's an addon option), the hang doesn't happen |
| 05:15.46 | Semlar | with the cvar he just enables it, does his thing and then changes it back to what it was |
| 05:15.58 | Primer | right, but I wonder _why_ |
| 05:16.18 | Semlar | well if it's not enabled you probably don't have access to whatever information you're scanning |
| 05:16.35 | Primer | except the addon works fine without that |
| 05:16.37 | Semlar | in fact it says that in one of the comments |
| 05:16.51 | Semlar | This function relies on the above CVar being set, and updates the icon position information so it can be queries via the API |
| 05:17.03 | Primer | All I want my addon to do is track the "current" quest |
| 05:17.10 | Primer | right, I read that |
| 05:17.14 | Primer | I don't quite get it |
| 05:17.39 | Semlar | it means you can't get the icon positions if you don't have it set |
| 05:18.28 | Semlar | which seems really dumb |
| 05:18.36 | Primer | Ok, that probably accounts for my addon being a tad off with regards to that |
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| 05:23.05 | Primer | I just wish there was a way to debug this when it actually happens |
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| 05:53.17 | jnwhiteh | Primer: have I changed that code in my addon? |
| 05:53.52 | jnwhiteh | you're also missing the scanning upvar |
| 05:54.04 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.54 | SinusPi | for stuff that's hanging I usually add safety exits, like after 1000 loops in the same run or something |
| 05:59.06 | jnwhiteh | that isn't the issue here |
| 05:59.33 | jnwhiteh | (imo) |
| 05:59.43 | Primer | jnwhiteh: I borrowed your code a long time ago, so my copy is vastly different |
| 05:59.55 | jnwhiteh | well, mine is probably right =) |
| 06:03.31 | Primer | Surely |
| 06:03.42 | Primer | but what did you mean I'm lacking the upvar? |
| 06:03.51 | jnwhiteh | the pastebin you posted |
| 06:03.53 | Primer | My code should have something that's checking for recursion |
| 06:03.53 | jnwhiteh | uses 'scanning' |
| 06:04.00 | jnwhiteh | but that's defined globally |
| 06:04.03 | jnwhiteh | unless you've defined it locally |
| 06:04.07 | jnwhiteh | globally is bad |
| 06:04.08 | Primer | I just don't call mine 'scanning' |
| 06:04.22 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 06:04.25 | jnwhiteh | you posted my code |
| 06:04.26 | jnwhiteh | without the upvalue |
| 06:04.29 | jnwhiteh | hence my confusion. |
| 06:04.41 | Primer | it's something that I added on my own once I discovered exactly where the client hang was |
| 06:04.50 | Primer | So did you have users reporting client hangs in TomTom? |
| 06:04.54 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 06:04.56 | jnwhiteh | i wrote it that way |
| 06:05.05 | jnwhiteh | because i knew that event could be triggered while the scan was happening. |
| 06:05.25 | Primer | hrmm, I'm pretty sure I took your code mostly verbatim |
| 06:05.33 | Primer | which is why mine didn't originally have it |
| 06:05.40 | jnwhiteh | 5.0 changed some things |
| 06:05.46 | jnwhiteh | my changelog probably indicates what |
| 06:05.50 | jnwhiteh | but that code has changed, afaik |
| 06:05.52 | Primer | oh, that was well before 5.0 |
| 06:06.10 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/flight-hud/blame/trunk/FlightHUD.lua line 1051 is my code |
| 06:06.27 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I can't really help with your code |
| 06:06.32 | jnwhiteh | don't really have time for that |
| 06:06.41 | jnwhiteh | I just know that mine works for both TomTom and TomTomlite |
| 06:06.44 | jnwhiteh | so there are two good examples :P |
| 06:06.55 | Primer | yes, and very good examples they are |
| 06:06.59 | Primer | so much that I copied them |
| 06:07.08 | Primer | and I do give you credit in my file |
| 06:07.11 | jnwhiteh | I know that |
| 06:07.14 | jnwhiteh | I'm not saying anything about that |
| 06:07.15 | jnwhiteh | I'm saying |
| 06:07.15 | Primer | as well as accolades! :) |
| 06:07.25 | jnwhiteh | I don't have tie to go back and re-debug things I've already fixed |
| 06:07.38 | jnwhiteh | i just literally dont have the time |
| 06:07.41 | Primer | no worries, I appreciate your input so far |
| 06:07.46 | jnwhiteh | that's all =) |
| 06:09.35 | ccox | can I stay home from work on account of a google doodle? |
| 06:09.41 | Primer | The hardest part about fixing this has been the fact that I can't consistently reproduce the bug, and when I do reproduce it, it hangs the client, and I can't get any meaningful debugging information |
| 06:10.38 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 06:57.06 | Semlar | arrowmaster: i figured out what i was doing wrong, i made the mistake of thinking the bounding box defined the size of the texture |
| 06:58.20 | Semlar | the bounding box purely identifies the position of the texture and i have no idea how to get the actual texture size out of the files |
| 07:05.21 | Arrowmaster | may not be a size in there, but its not like you need it do you? |
| 07:08.00 | Arrowmaster | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/16/developer_oursources_job_china/ |
| 07:08.38 | Arrowmaster | well damn |
| 07:13.16 | Semlar | yeah i need the actual size of the texture |
| 07:13.43 | Semlar | the texture just sits inside one of the corners of the bounding box |
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| 07:13.49 | Arrowmaster | can you pragmatically get it? |
| 07:14.00 | Semlar | i can get it in game but it's not ideal |
| 07:14.23 | Semlar | and i can't open the actual texture file from the mpqs if it even exists before the game loads |
| 07:14.27 | Arrowmaster | how do you get the sizes for your other stuff? |
| 07:14.50 | Semlar | what other stuff |
| 07:15.09 | Semlar | the normal tiles? |
| 07:15.27 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah the world minimap stuff is all the same size |
| 07:15.34 | Arrowmaster | unless you add the other features to it |
| 07:15.35 | Semlar | yeah they're all 256x256 |
| 07:15.56 | Semlar | and as far as i can tell the bounding box has zero correlation to the actual texture's size |
| 07:16.07 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue what the hell the bounding box is |
| 07:16.29 | Semlar | they're using one of the corners of the bounding box to get the texture offset in that pack script |
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| 07:16.54 | Semlar | it's just an xyz coordinate of the top left of where the texture goes |
| 07:17.31 | Semlar | they call it bbcorner |
| 07:17.46 | Arrowmaster | ok as long as you know whats going on |
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| 07:26.51 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/TTjvb.jpg well that seems.. good enough.. |
| 07:27.24 | Semlar | i appear to be missing quite a few textures, i should really look into that |
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| 07:32.14 | Semlar | ah, i found them |
| 07:32.44 | Semlar | they were hiding |
| 07:37.13 | Sintacks | can someone try to download this ... it's stoping at different times each time i try to download it :| |
| 07:37.14 | Sintacks | http://mitsubishi-tv.com/support/download_software_upgrade/V41_11_03.zip |
| 07:41.46 | Semlar | works fine |
| 07:41.55 | Sintacks | :| |
| 07:41.59 | Sintacks | can you dropbox it or something |
| 07:42.21 | Semlar | it clearly says i may be subject to serious criminal and civil penalties |
| 07:42.27 | Sintacks | lol |
| 07:43.10 | Semlar | http://semlar.com/V41_11_03.zip |
| 07:43.18 | Sintacks | it always says it contains chemicals known to the state of california to cause cancer and/or birth defects or other reproductive harm |
| 07:43.55 | Sintacks | thanks |
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| 09:13.06 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/tz6GL.jpg there we go |
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| 09:27.36 | karl_w_w | https://twitter.com/EndlessDeficits/status/291474806111617024 |
| 09:27.39 | karl_w_w | fuck me blind |
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| 10:58.14 | zenzio | I know this is old, but it came up during lunch again, and it still cracks me up: http://continueonline.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/dune_cat_spice_must_flow-475x267.jpg |
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| 11:57.17 | karl_w_w | old zenzio |
| 11:57.38 | zenzio | saying "old" just seems redundant when I said that myself |
| 12:01.19 | VIad | old karl_w_w |
| 12:01.28 | VIad | I was just pointing out that you are old, karl_w_w |
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| 13:04.15 | VIad | Cairenn (nsfw I guess) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuU0uEY5ft0&t=0m55s |
| 13:07.52 | Maldivia | if nsfw = not safe for watching, then yeah |
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| 13:30.17 | VIad | but it's just intestine worms |
| 13:30.26 | VIad | not pleasant but happens to some people :( |
| 13:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | Parasites have ruled the world since they figured out how to do their thing. |
| 13:32.30 | VIad | one of the hundred side effects were nice |
| 13:32.34 | VIad | weight loss :P |
| 13:32.45 | VIad | I'd like to put in parasites to help me loose weight lol |
| 13:33.11 | VIad | parasites made for weight control, there is an idea for gene modification for the future |
| 13:33.48 | VIad | some people burn what they eat quicker, others slower; this is a thing of the past once engineering food intake control worms is possible |
| 13:45.39 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.42 | bluworkcow | herro! |
| 13:47.48 | Lopeppeppy | Snowball fight! |
| 13:47.56 | Lopeppeppy | pelts bluworkcow with snowballs. Just because. |
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| 13:55.42 | bluworkcow | *pelts Lopeppeppy back* |
| 13:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yayness! |
| 13:57.12 | Lopeppeppy | It's a bit snowsome here today - about 3 inches in about 3 hours. But it should taper off soon and not be quite so hideous on my way home. |
| 13:57.27 | bluworkcow | oh noes! is you buried ? |
| 13:58.39 | bluworkcow | *piles more snow on Lopeppeppy to make sure* |
| 13:59.32 | Lopeppeppy | Heeeeey! |
| 14:00.06 | bluworkcow | *hands Lopeppeppy a small shovel* |
| 14:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | I shoveled once already this morning, not doing it again. Why don't you come join me in the snowbank? *purrrrr* |
| 14:02.01 | bluworkcow | *leaps in* |
| 14:03.48 | bluworkcow | *swims through the snow* |
| 14:05.25 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh baby. |
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| 15:56.19 | matt1s_ | Is there an addon that lets me search through the vendors items? |
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| 16:03.14 | bluworkcow | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/16/developer_oursources_job_china/ |
| 16:03.16 | bluworkcow | LOL |
| 16:04.08 | Lopeppeppy | Dont' tell me you've never been tempted. |
| 16:11.44 | Jitta | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYaZ57Bn4pQ and i thought this was satire |
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| 16:19.17 | SinusPi | Would there perhaps be anyone here with intimate knowledge how Astrolabe handles microdungeon mapping..? |
| 16:22.12 | SinusPi | (I mean, it uses a combo of GetWorldMapTransformInfo() and GetDungeonMapInfo(), but this doesn't seem to retain the floor-number info that places a microdungeon on a world map... |
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| 16:24.10 | TC-work | ~seen Esamynn |
| 16:24.18 | purl | esamynn <~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 10d 20h 56m 14s ago, saying: 'you poor bastard'. |
| 16:24.30 | TC-work | well, he would be the one to ask.... |
| 16:27.01 | SinusPi | Ah, so he DOES appear sometimes. |
| 16:27.43 | TC-work | Yes, he usually idles in here. |
| 16:27.59 | SinusPi | All right, thank you :) |
| 16:30.40 | Arrowmaster | hahaha http://i.imgur.com/Ng492.jpg |
| 16:32.02 | bluworkcow | *giggle* |
| 16:33.40 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/Ng492.jpg |
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| 16:57.40 | karl_w_w | fake |
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| 17:00.33 | Unkle | Station |
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| 17:09.45 | Krapsy | master |
| 17:15.33 | bluworkcow | wAGON |
| 17:15.41 | bluworkcow | station master wagon |
| 17:17.59 | Unkle | Rise, Lord Vader. |
| 17:21.26 | Unkle | http://xkcd.com/1161 |
| 17:26.19 | Semlar | mikma: what's up |
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| 17:30.44 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Laza5.jpg ^_^ |
| 17:31.14 | Lopeppeppy | I love when lusers answer an either/or question with "yes". I know that I do that to The Boyfriend a lot, but it seems so unfair when they do it to me. |
| 17:31.34 | Semlar | yes |
| 17:34.17 | mikma | semlar: penis usually |
| 17:34.27 | mikma | semlar: 11:13 <Semlar> http://i.imgur.com/tz6GL.jpg there we go |
| 17:34.31 | mikma | semlar: 11:58 <mikma> semlar: a whatwhat? |
| 17:35.42 | Semlar | i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 17:37.06 | Krapsy | Shepard: are you tracking me or all humans? |
| 17:37.08 | Krapsy | Legion: yes. |
| 17:42.36 | mikma | semlar: what's that image about |
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| 17:43.36 | Semlar | i was trying to piece together the images that make up a wmo/instance |
| 17:44.18 | Semlar | which is somewhat more complicated than the regular minimap images |
| 17:45.20 | Semlar | the numbers are just at the middle of each texture |
| 17:45.28 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 17:45.33 | Fisker | where's my wireless charger? |
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| 17:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | I ate it, Fisker-boopsie. |
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| 17:47.59 | TC-work | sneezes on Unkle |
| 17:50.35 | Fisker | but i feed you fish |
| 17:50.45 | Fisker | i am betrayed |
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| 17:52.22 | Lopeppeppy | Peoples, please to click this link and tell me if it opens for you? http://safetysrv2.skidmore.edu/permits.asp?utype=0 It's a vehicle registration form here on campus, no scaries. |
| 17:52.42 | Lopeppeppy | And this one... http://safetysrv2.skidmore.edu/permits.asp?utype=1 |
| 17:53.10 | Fisker | skid skid |
| 17:53.11 | Fisker | but nope |
| 17:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | Nope to both, Fisker? Any error message? (wondering if DNS is being a bastard...) |
| 17:53.43 | Dagmar | hostname... WHY U NO EXIST? |
| 17:53.45 | Fisker | it's dns being a bastard |
| 17:53.51 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I thought. |
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| 18:01.47 | Unkle | Dagmar: Too many characters... it's Y U NO EXIST? - foo! |
| 18:06.56 | Arrowmaster | ;safetysrv2.skidmore.edu.INA |
| 18:07.08 | Arrowmaster | NO EXIST |
| 18:09.02 | Fisker | mad Arrowmaster ? |
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| 18:15.52 | Dagmar | Unkle: Heh |
| 18:23.29 | Semlar | arrowmaster: http://i.imgur.com/duKdn.jpg |
| 18:23.57 | Arrowmaster | so you got everything figured out? |
| 18:24.13 | Semlar | so far |
| 18:24.18 | Semlar | i don't know about different floors |
| 18:24.43 | Arrowmaster | in the old instancemaps we just did them arbitrarily |
| 18:25.04 | Arrowmaster | somehow kara was split up into 4 different sections |
| 18:25.24 | Fisker | haste haste |
| 18:25.46 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: are you hand picking the textures or have a script putting them together |
| 18:27.08 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Z9wRV.gif |
| 18:27.41 | Lopeppeppy | Friggin' non-existent stupid server that I've been fighting to get upgraded for CAMPUS SAFETY for almost a week now... *has to laugh or she'll shiv a bitch* |
| 18:27.43 | Arrowmaster | try doing something like utagard pinicle |
| 18:28.10 | Semlar | it won't do any outdoor areas so i'm not sure how it'll handle those maps |
| 18:28.31 | Semlar | let me see if i can find it |
| 18:28.40 | Arrowmaster | i dont think thats an outdoor is it? |
| 18:28.54 | nevcairiel | has some outdoor parts |
| 18:29.12 | Semlar | yeah it has adt files |
| 18:29.24 | Semlar | a surprising number of them actually |
| 18:29.41 | Semlar | it must have a huge amount of terrain |
| 18:29.54 | Arrowmaster | well thats the one i remember having roofs that caused issues |
| 18:30.14 | Arrowmaster | kara apparently has a big brown disc in the center or something |
| 18:30.30 | Arrowmaster | fuck what the hell is the password to the server hosting arrowmaster.net |
| 18:30.40 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember it |
| 18:30.42 | Lopeppeppy | BlooferLady |
| 18:30.59 | Arrowmaster | its some random password my friend set |
| 18:31.16 | Lopeppeppy | Dude. Random is random - you're hosed if there's no "recover" link. |
| 18:31.18 | Stanzilla | you don't have friends |
| 18:31.26 | Dagmar | He's got you there. |
| 18:31.37 | Arrowmaster | its probably still stored on my old old desktop |
| 18:31.45 | Dagmar | If you try to tell the ISP that, they'll know they're being social-engineered. |
| 18:31.48 | Arrowmaster | its his account on the server |
| 18:32.10 | Arrowmaster | and i had 2 of my domains on his account till i moved their email to gmail |
| 18:32.11 | Semlar | ugh what did they call this instance |
| 18:32.28 | Arrowmaster | but that server is still hosting the http |
| 18:32.30 | Semlar | i need to set this up to crossreference the areas with the names |
| 18:32.54 | Semlar | it apparently doesn't have the word utgarde or pinnacle in it |
| 18:33.42 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 18:33.50 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Shiv one anyway. I think you're entitled. |
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| 18:33.57 | Arrowmaster | sorry i lost the updated script from when i did all the northrend shit |
| 18:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'm wearing my cranky jeans. The ones that I shovel in. |
| 18:35.23 | durcyn | that can't be very warm |
| 18:35.48 | Lopeppeppy | They're dry now, actually. But better than shoveling in a skirt, nu? |
| 18:36.48 | Arrowmaster | the old old desktop still boots! |
| 18:37.04 | Arrowmaster | i was shocked to find it still had a network cable attached |
| 18:37.25 | Arrowmaster | RDP is slow as fuck though |
| 18:40.09 | kd3 | snow? |
| 18:40.12 | kd3 | is glad he lives in atlanta |
| 18:40.18 | kd3 | for another week or two |
| 18:40.55 | Semlar | okay the utgarde pinnacle wdt file doesn't have a reference to a wmo file at all |
| 18:41.01 | Semlar | i think it may be purely adt files |
| 18:42.06 | Semlar | well, the objects could be referenced inside the adt files |
| 18:42.16 | Semlar | this is going to take more parsing than it's set up to do right now |
| 18:42.50 | Arrowmaster | well im RDPed into the desktop i used back when i still played wow, maybe i can find some stuff on here still |
| 18:42.54 | Arrowmaster | although its fucking slow |
| 18:43.25 | Arrowmaster | like im trying to use RDP over a 56k slow |
| 18:43.41 | Semlar | it does seem to be capable of rendering instances that are all one object though |
| 18:43.49 | Semlar | so that's a start |
| 18:44.05 | Semlar | i have got to make this easier to browse though |
| 18:44.42 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck is this opening the properties of files and folders on a double click |
| 18:45.28 | durcyn | stuck alt key, i'd imagine |
| 18:45.33 | Semlar | sticky keys? |
| 18:45.59 | durcyn | i've seen RDP invert shift, not so much alt |
| 18:46.55 | Semlar | are these holes in the textures normally just black because of the background |
| 18:49.30 | Arrowmaster | oh i found them |
| 18:50.01 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: http://arrowmaster.net/screens/WoWScrnShot_121308_202701.jpg |
| 18:50.21 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if others can guess when that was taken |
| 18:50.42 | kd3 | december 13, 2008. at 8:30 in the evening |
| 18:50.50 | Arrowmaster | ass |
| 18:51.02 | kd3 | that's ulduar |
| 18:51.08 | Arrowmaster | what patch |
| 18:51.45 | kd3 | it'd be 3.1, probably? |
| 18:51.50 | Arrowmaster | wrong |
| 18:51.54 | Arrowmaster | 3.0 |
| 18:52.19 | durcyn | your point is |
| 18:52.30 | Arrowmaster | that was before ulduar existed |
| 18:52.44 | durcyn | that was before ulduar was available as a raid instance. |
| 18:52.50 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 18:53.03 | Arrowmaster | i managed to map it early |
| 18:53.08 | durcyn | the terminology is important |
| 18:54.52 | VIad | Arrowmaster: is that beta ulduar? |
| 18:55.11 | VIad | I wonder how it looked in-game if you teleported to the instance in that version |
| 18:57.51 | Arrowmaster | haha i still have lich king beta installed |
| 18:58.01 | VIad | fire up your emulator? |
| 18:58.04 | VIad | and go take a look :P |
| 18:59.15 | kd3 | well, it looks like japan's had enough of 787s having trouble - the entire fleet's grounded |
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| 18:59.33 | Semlar | back in a bit |
| 18:59.52 | VIad | Arrowmaster: "Kanchou is Japanese for Captain of a Warship. It can also mean sticking your finger up someone's butt." LOL |
| 18:59.55 | Arrowmaster | im not sure i want to know what i was working on in some of these files.... guid_fuckery.lua |
| 19:00.11 | Arrowmaster | VIad: gg's troll subs |
| 19:00.30 | kd3 | you're being redundant there, arrow |
| 19:00.30 | VIad | is it true or false? I haven't fact checked :P |
| 19:00.32 | Torhal|work | Arrowmaster: You're working on a WoW AddOn? o.O |
| 19:00.45 | Arrowmaster | Torhal|work: FUCK NO |
| 19:00.54 | kd3 | yes, vlad, kanchou has both of those meanings |
| 19:01.03 | Torhal|work | Arrowmaster: Haha |
| 19:01.35 | Arrowmaster | Torhal|work: im just trying to find a lost script |
| 19:02.05 | kd3 | if you'd like to learn more about the latter sense... go back to the beginning of gaijin smash and start reading: http://gaijinchronicles.com/category/archive/gaijin-smash/ |
| 19:02.53 | VIad | it's funny that a word can have such a different meaning ^^ |
| 19:03.32 | Arrowmaster | hes referring to http://imgur.com/tW1Qg for those that dont know |
| 19:04.18 | kd3 | rather, this post in specific, then keep reading: http://gaijinchronicles.com/2004/11/11/my-kids-are-perverted/ |
| 19:04.55 | Arrowmaster | oh shit i found the script |
| 19:05.14 | Torhal|work | Yay for stupidity in government: http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/16/3882840/mo-house-bill-violent-video-game-tax |
| 19:09.06 | Arrowmaster | damnit doesnt want to let me copy/paste over RDP |
| 19:09.26 | Arrowmaster | all i get is the correct number of lines but all of them are blank |
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| 19:20.05 | TC-work | This is sad, I find learning regex to be easier than linux file permissions. |
| 19:21.55 | Arrowmaster | that is sad, linux file permissions are simple |
| 19:22.47 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: ive got something for you when you get back |
| 19:22.55 | VIad | violent video game tax :D |
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| 19:24.46 | Cairenn|afk | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 19:25.16 | Cairenn|afk | VIad: ewwww, why would you link that to me? |
| 19:25.46 | VIad | :D |
| 19:26.41 | VIad | I did at least put the nsfw tag on it |
| 19:26.58 | VIad | btw you think violent video game tax will help? |
| 19:27.06 | kd3 | ahaha no |
| 19:27.26 | kd3 | it won't even make it out of committee |
| 19:28.03 | VIad | we might as well have alcohol drinking tax |
| 19:28.08 | VIad | even more of it :P |
| 19:28.13 | VIad | to reduce amount of drunk irresponsible people |
| 19:28.59 | zenzelezz | it hasn't worked so far, what makes you think it'd help any more? |
| 19:29.27 | VIad | 0 alcohol tax = lots of problems, little alcohol tax = better, so more alcohol tax = even better? :P |
| 19:29.38 | VIad | statistically speaking that is lol |
| 19:29.56 | VIad | might as well add a junkfood tax to promote healthier people |
| 19:29.57 | zenzelezz | we already pay like 3000% alcohol tax, and we still drink, and you know it ;) |
| 19:30.34 | VIad | I guess it boils down to teaching the kids to behave and be responsible |
| 19:30.56 | VIad | alcohol is expensive in norway too, but still ton of people drinking and puking downtown once the weekend hits :P |
| 19:31.25 | Arrowmaster | tax will get thrown out because of freedom of speach |
| 19:31.43 | zenzelezz | VIad: haven't you learned yet that I am Norwegian; I've been speaking about us the whole time |
| 19:31.48 | VIad | no! |
| 19:31.56 | VIad | zenzelezz du er svenska! |
| 19:32.27 | VIad | btw pidgin giving me hard time with the accents... |
| 19:32.35 | VIad | I guess linux to windows isn't that simple hehe |
| 19:32.46 | VIad | trying to make swedish å |
| 19:33.12 | Arrowmaster | â? |
| 19:33.16 | VIad | no |
| 19:33.35 | Arrowmaster | i cant see the difference |
| 19:33.40 | Dagmar | It's not much harder than Canadian. |
| 19:33.51 | Dagmar | You just add "bork-bork-bork" to the end of every sentence. |
| 19:34.00 | VIad | alt+¨+a = ä |
| 19:34.09 | VIad | but it doesn't work on pidgin, the "alt" is probably holy for linux |
| 19:34.19 | VIad | so in the conversion to windows it got lost or something :P |
| 19:34.21 | zenzelezz | as far as I know, ä is æ, while å is å |
| 19:34.22 | Arrowmaster | ä? |
| 19:34.28 | Arrowmaster | æ |
| 19:34.34 | Humbedooh | œ |
| 19:34.37 | Arrowmaster | im on linux btw |
| 19:34.55 | Humbedooh | can't decide whether œ is an ø or an æ |
| 19:34.56 | VIad | ö is the swedish ø |
| 19:35.04 | Arrowmaster | ö |
| 19:35.04 | VIad | it's æ probably |
| 19:35.08 | Arrowmaster | ø |
| 19:35.12 | Arrowmaster | they all work |
| 19:35.33 | VIad | pidgin is just racist to windows 7 |
| 19:35.34 | Arrowmaster | and i didnt know how to type any of these and got them on the first try |
| 19:35.44 | VIad | what is it called when you are "racist" regarding OS? |
| 19:35.53 | Arrowmaster | its probably because of gtk |
| 19:35.56 | Primer | VIad: perhaps it's just windows being crap |
| 19:36.02 | Primer | and how it hates utf8 |
| 19:36.03 | VIad | I know how to do it but it doesn't work properly for me :P |
| 19:36.07 | VIad | yeah |
| 19:36.09 | VIad | probably gtk |
| 19:36.17 | VIad | can't handle unicode that well |
| 19:36.22 | Arrowmaster | im doing these all with the compose key |
| 19:36.30 | Primer | uhh no |
| 19:36.34 | Arrowmaster | which i mapped to the menu key since it does nothing |
| 19:36.34 | Primer | it's not Gtk |
| 19:36.41 | VIad | it's something |
| 19:36.49 | Primer | it's windows |
| 19:37.04 | zenzelezz | so you mean that using UTF-16 in APIs implies "hating UTF-8"? |
| 19:37.05 | VIad | I have no problems producing any character on windows :P |
| 19:37.12 | VIad | notepad, run dialog, skype, other programs, e.g. |
| 19:37.23 | VIad | only pidgin giving me troubles with some hotkey combinations |
| 19:37.30 | Primer | perhaps your pidgin is not set to use utf8 somehow? |
| 19:37.41 | VIad | I assume it's a compile thing? |
| 19:37.57 | VIad | лол :Д |
| 19:38.05 | Arrowmaster | ok you got me on that one |
| 19:38.08 | Arrowmaster | how do i type it |
| 19:38.15 | VIad | how what? |
| 19:38.22 | Primer | Well, I don't see any option for it, but I'm in Linux |
| 19:38.39 | VIad | I just right clicked and found it uses "simple" but no unicode or utf option just other weird encodings |
| 19:38.47 | Arrowmaster | VIad: it appears the obvious solution is to switch to the superior OS |
| 19:39.18 | VIad | but how can I play my old windows games that aren't ported over to linux? |
| 19:39.24 | Arrowmaster | wine? |
| 19:39.26 | VIad | microsoft street madness |
| 19:39.33 | VIad | it didn't work on my wine last time I tried it :P |
| 19:39.39 | Primer | I vnc'd to my windows machine, where I have pidgin connected to my IRC proxy, scrolled up this channel, and everything you typed looks exactly the same there |
| 19:39.40 | VIad | required direct x 1 |
| 19:39.53 | VIad | looks yes |
| 19:40.00 | Arrowmaster | Primer: hes saying he cant type it in windows |
| 19:40.07 | Primer | å <-- pasted in pidgin in windows |
| 19:40.15 | VIad | I have no problems with these :P |
| 19:40.39 | VIad | just having problems typing ¨ ^ ` ´ on other characters |
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| 19:40.47 | VIad | to create ì ò î and so on |
| 19:40.58 | VIad | specifically the ¨ on top of a character hotkey is a problem |
| 19:40.58 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: you are needed |
| 19:41.09 | Primer | I know that to type them in Xchat (Yes, I still use that), there's some odd key combo followed by the unicode number |
| 19:41.19 | VIad | I don't use unicode numbers |
| 19:41.27 | VIad | you have combinations with the keys and shift/ctrl/alt |
| 19:41.35 | VIad | like first ^ + ctrl |
| 19:41.38 | Arrowmaster | viad is using a keyboard layout with an AltGr key |
| 19:41.38 | VIad | then you release, and hit "I" |
| 19:41.42 | Arrowmaster | or deadkeys |
| 19:41.51 | VIad | altgr is shortcut for ctrlalt I think |
| 19:42.15 | VIad | yes it is |
| 19:42.32 | Arrowmaster | not for me on linux |
| 19:42.59 | Primer | Then yes, I would suspect it's a Gtk thing |
| 19:43.08 | VIad | if you push `´ then you push "o" |
| 19:43.14 | VIad | what do you get Arrowmaster? |
| 19:43.15 | VIad | using your "altgr" |
| 19:43.21 | VIad | and then using the ctrl+alt combo |
| 19:43.48 | Primer | Long ago I simply created a custom xmodmap for typing accented character, for typing Portuguese and Spanish |
| 19:43.50 | Arrowmaster | i dont think mines setup for deadkeys |
| 19:43.51 | Primer | áéíóú |
| 19:43.59 | Primer | right control + a = á |
| 19:43.59 | VIad | shift+key+letter gives me à while ctrl+alt+key+letter gives me á |
| 19:44.02 | Arrowmaster | i just use the compose key |
| 19:44.08 | Primer | But of course, that's non-standard |
| 19:44.19 | Arrowmaster | compose key is fairly standard |
| 19:44.31 | VIad | oh |
| 19:44.34 | VIad | I gotta ask you guys |
| 19:44.38 | VIad | we use ' |
| 19:44.39 | VIad | it's |
| 19:44.51 | VIad | but why do some use it’s ? |
| 19:44.59 | Primer | windows |
| 19:45.04 | Primer | "smart quotes" |
| 19:45.07 | VIad | it's a different key but why not hit the ' key? |
| 19:45.18 | nevcairiel | some editors do it |
| 19:45.19 | VIad | I agree it looks nice in a document perhaps |
| 19:45.19 | Arrowmaster | its not even on the keyboard |
| 19:45.19 | Dagmar | Jackass windows coders. |
| 19:45.24 | VIad | just annoying when viewing webpages :P |
| 19:45.30 | kd3 | it's the same key - just the editor changes it |
| 19:45.34 | nevcairiel | i believe word does it automatically |
| 19:45.35 | Primer | google for "demoronizer" |
| 19:45.38 | kd3 | hell, libreoffice uses it too |
| 19:45.41 | Dagmar | It also makes what you type generally incompatible with compilers. |
| 19:45.46 | Primer | it's because they've all conformed |
| 19:45.54 | Primer | All browsers do it too |
| 19:45.55 | nevcairiel | if you write your code in word, you deserve being incompatible |
| 19:45.59 | VIad | :D |
| 19:46.03 | TC-work | heh, Zamboni google doodle |
| 19:46.23 | VIad | professionals use microsoft word to export the document as html file |
| 19:46.32 | Primer | I wrote an xchat script to fix that a while back: http://ceregatti.org/download.old/code/x.pl |
| 19:46.39 | nevcairiel | my irc client never did it |
| 19:47.04 | VIad | gtk is the linux GUI interface lib yes? |
| 19:47.10 | Primer | Because when your IRC client uses UTF-8, and the windows people are on cp-1251, it just doesn't work |
| 19:47.11 | kd3 | one of them, yes |
| 19:47.12 | VIad | there is a windows version that is used when compiling for windows |
| 19:47.12 | nevcairiel | s/the/a/ |
| 19:47.15 | VIad | aye |
| 19:47.26 | VIad | gonna check if my pidgin is utf compiled |
| 19:47.41 | VIad | actually usually it uses ascii or utf |
| 19:47.42 | Arrowmaster | everybody should be using utf8 on irc |
| 19:47.46 | VIad | otherwise your program is probably outdated :D |
| 19:47.54 | Primer | VIad: it is _a_ GUI widget toolkit |
| 19:47.56 | nevcairiel | i've never seen such automatic replacements outside of a office-style wordprocessor |
| 19:47.58 | Arrowmaster | i just set xchat to utf8 instead of its stupid hybrid and say fuck everybody else |
| 19:48.10 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: some blog engines do it |
| 19:48.28 | Primer | Not _the_ |
| 19:49.39 | Primer | seems nevcairiel already covered that... |
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| 19:51.06 | VIad | does linux use unicode by default? |
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| 19:51.17 | Arrowmaster | utf8, yes |
| 19:51.24 | Arrowmaster | most distros do at least |
| 19:51.29 | VIad | does gtk/gtk+ and such too? |
| 19:51.45 | Arrowmaster | those use whatever the locale is set to |
| 19:51.58 | VIad | hmm |
| 19:52.21 | VIad | actually |
| 19:52.44 | VIad | unicode programs (compiled that way) use unicode (meaning what ever unicode they pick, utf8, 16, 32 bom, no bom, e.g.) |
| 19:52.50 | Arrowmaster | linux does stuff like locale and screen dpi amazingly well compared to windows fucking terrible way of handling them |
| 19:52.54 | VIad | otherwise it falls back to the regional locale yes |
| 19:53.13 | VIad | but this is probably for text display |
| 19:53.13 | nevcairiel | i have had more dpi issues on linux then on windows |
| 19:53.20 | nevcairiel | and more unicode issues too |
| 19:53.22 | VIad | I wonder how it's handled for keyboard input |
| 19:53.43 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: were the dpi issues from it using what the monitor specified as the dpi? |
| 19:54.28 | Arrowmaster | windows 'everything is 96dpi' is just silly since so many programs are hardcoded to it |
| 19:54.34 | nevcairiel | there is still a boatload of linux CLI applications that use extended ASCII characters for modeling UI/Menu structures, which are just broken on a UTF-8 SSH connection |
| 19:55.00 | VIad | I disagree Arrowmaster |
| 19:55.13 | VIad | I use a bit higher dpi and all scale up fine :P |
| 19:55.23 | Arrowmaster | it didnt in the days of windows xp |
| 19:55.25 | nevcairiel | i use a very high dpi laptop right now (1920x1080 at 13") and it works quite well |
| 19:55.33 | VIad | talking about windows 7 at least |
| 19:55.36 | nevcairiel | windows xp is 12 years old or so |
| 19:55.39 | nevcairiel | stop living in the past |
| 19:55.41 | VIad | :P |
| 19:56.12 | VIad | I run windows xp on my phone |
| 19:56.18 | VIad | screw android |
| 19:56.48 | Arrowmaster | damnit steam stop asking me to install ubuntu packages |
| 19:56.54 | VIad | :D |
| 19:56.55 | kd3 | impressive. an x86 emulator an a weak-ass arm chip |
| 19:57.03 | nevcairiel | sounds slow |
| 19:57.09 | VIad | how come? |
| 19:57.17 | VIad | I really don't know much about ARM |
| 19:57.29 | durcyn | s/ARM/anything |
| 19:57.42 | VIad | I got a small ARM machine "raspberry pi" |
| 19:58.06 | nevcairiel | virtualisation fo a foreign arch is always slow, and if he then even specifiys weak-ass ... clearly, slow :p |
| 19:58.09 | VIad | it can play 1080p video just fine, my old windows xp machine had huge hickups doing this, so I imagined the ARM is good :P |
| 19:58.24 | nevcairiel | VIad: it has a dedicated decoder chip, the cpu is stupid slow |
| 19:58.25 | Arrowmaster | arm chips have hardware decoders for video |
| 19:58.35 | VIad | aha |
| 19:58.41 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: it's not on-chip, iirc |
| 19:59.02 | Arrowmaster | just ask Mr_Rabies about his adventures trying to play 10bit h264, its not supported by the hardware so it has to be done completely on the processor |
| 19:59.04 | nevcairiel | who cares where it is, it has a decoder ASIC somewhere :P |
| 19:59.22 | VIad | anyone got a raspberry? :D |
| 19:59.29 | nevcairiel | the cpu on the Pi could never decode 1080p at any codec |
| 19:59.31 | nevcairiel | its just slow |
| 19:59.32 | durcyn | well, saying ARM as an architecture includes video decoding is misleading |
| 19:59.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah i skipped on the Pi when i saw the specs, its just too weak |
| 19:59.51 | nevcairiel | its typically part of the GPU or a separate media chip |
| 19:59.59 | nevcairiel | not the CPU |
| 20:00.01 | Arrowmaster | yes its typically the GPU |
| 20:00.04 | nevcairiel | but its all one big blob anyway |
| 20:00.24 | Arrowmaster | the Tegra2 is an example of a terrible 'blob' |
| 20:00.25 | Mr_Rabies | i've come to the conclusion that i'm gonna have to get a cheapo amd APU for my htpc |
| 20:00.59 | nevcairiel | but cheapo AMD APUs have terrible CPUs, are you sure it can do 1080p 10-bit without freaking out? :p |
| 20:01.01 | Mr_Rabies | i really dislike using amd anything but it seems like the best fit for what i want |
| 20:01.14 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: but youll be ahead of the game and ready when the sub groubs switch to h265 |
| 20:01.47 | durcyn | i will eat a hat if that happens inside of five years |
| 20:02.04 | Arrowmaster | we need to record this |
| 20:02.06 | Mr_Rabies | isn't that kinda stuff usually hardware accelerated by the gpu, nevcairiel |
| 20:02.08 | nevcairiel | the anime people seem to like jumping on new tech if it can save at least 1 byte of file size |
| 20:02.11 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: not 10-bit |
| 20:02.16 | nevcairiel | GPUs only do 8-bit |
| 20:02.21 | Mr_Rabies | really :| |
| 20:02.33 | Arrowmaster | yes you need a pure cpu setup for 10bit |
| 20:02.43 | Mr_Rabies | that's awful |
| 20:02.49 | Mr_Rabies | what the heck am i gonna do with my 3 tb drive then :< |
| 20:03.04 | nevcairiel | at least 10-bit saves like 10-20% on file size, so its kinda worth it |
| 20:04.37 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: an i3 with its integrated gpu is doing me file on this laptop, im sure you can build an htpc that can decode 10bit fine |
| 20:04.41 | VIad | do modern motherboards have hardware video/video bits and chips, or does the cpu handle decoding such? |
| 20:04.52 | nevcairiel | its in the GPU |
| 20:04.55 | nevcairiel | any modern GPU has it |
| 20:05.11 | VIad | aha, I see. back in the day it was the CPU doing this and it lagged :P |
| 20:05.13 | Primer | VIad: I have one that's scheduled to be delivered tomorrow. I plan to use it as a client for my security camera setup. I want to be able to see my cameras on my TV in the living room |
| 20:05.54 | Primer | http://home.ceregatti.org:8086/ <-- here's the stream |
| 20:05.57 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: i have no clue how to do gpu decoding on linux for anything other than nvidia though so everything is cpu decoding for me |
| 20:06.10 | nevcairiel | vaapi works on intel |
| 20:06.14 | nevcairiel | no idea about amd |
| 20:06.18 | VIad | Primer: lazy to open the door or just anti theft thingy? |
| 20:06.20 | Primer | Open it with vlc or mplayer, if curious |
| 20:06.27 | Primer | VIad: both! |
| 20:06.38 | VIad | it's a big issue in us? |
| 20:07.05 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: no vaapi in mplayer |
| 20:07.11 | Primer | not where I live, not really |
| 20:07.18 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: well not in mplayer2 |
| 20:07.27 | nevcairiel | i dislike anything mplayer |
| 20:07.39 | Primer | although I did have reindeer stolen from my front yard one year |
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| 20:07.50 | Arrowmaster | im not fond of vlc so i stick with mplayer |
| 20:08.01 | nevcairiel | why am i looking at primers camera stream now anyway? |
| 20:08.34 | Primer | nevcairiel: you're curious! |
| 20:08.48 | Primer | There's sound in that stream too, but the mic is in the garage |
| 20:09.00 | Arrowmaster | its not working for me |
| 20:09.03 | Primer | I plan to buy a mic to put out front |
| 20:09.23 | Primer | Arrowmaster: mplayer seems to take a while to spawn it |
| 20:09.28 | VIad | Primer your neighbors fence, they keep a lot f junk in between their building and the fence |
| 20:09.29 | Primer | and then it complains a lot |
| 20:09.39 | Arrowmaster | i got a no file found in mplayer |
| 20:09.53 | Primer | VIad: yes, and he never trims his vegetation either |
| 20:10.03 | VIad | I'd throw out the junk there |
| 20:10.04 | Primer | Arrowmaster: Works for Me™ |
| 20:10.05 | VIad | if I was him :P |
| 20:10.18 | VIad | useless, look you even need to have the planks to keep the fence from collapsing LOL |
| 20:10.35 | Primer | because that fence it rotten, and he won't pitch in to fix it |
| 20:10.41 | Primer | So fuck him |
| 20:11.40 | Arrowmaster | this stream needs more action |
| 20:11.51 | Arrowmaster | hey a acar |
| 20:12.26 | VIad | I'll put it as my wallpaper |
| 20:12.31 | VIad | windows can show video as wallpaper |
| 20:12.37 | VIad | gonna force it to show a stream |
| 20:13.42 | VIad | btw your stream may disconnect me sometimes |
| 20:14.12 | Primer | This stream isn't optimal at the moment. I'm using the web cams from motion (apt-cache search motion, if curious) as the source |
| 20:14.15 | VIad | the numbers on the video are too low res for me to read properly :( |
| 20:14.17 | Primer | so the load is rather high on the box |
| 20:14.31 | Primer | http://home.ceregatti.org/camera/cams.php |
| 20:14.38 | Primer | try that to see the raw cams |
| 20:14.42 | Semlar | i'm back arrowmaster |
| 20:14.43 | Arrowmaster | because how many of us are watching your stream? |
| 20:14.45 | VIad | I see |
| 20:14.46 | Primer | click on one to "maximize" |
| 20:15.09 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: i found the pack.lua scripts from when i did the wrath update to instancemaps |
| 20:15.13 | kd3 | ah, bleh |
| 20:15.17 | Stanzilla | do you get robbed a lot, Primer |
| 20:15.21 | kd3 | got a score of 1335 in the zamboni game |
| 20:15.23 | VIad | Primer: didn't work |
| 20:15.24 | Primer | Stanzilla: no |
| 20:15.28 | VIad | (to maximize like that) |
| 20:15.35 | Primer | don't use IE |
| 20:15.39 | VIad | firefox |
| 20:15.50 | Primer | Works For Me™ |
| 20:16.04 | Semlar | i was going to start on parsing the wdt files so i could do this properly |
| 20:16.17 | Primer | http://home.ceregatti.org:8081 |
| 20:16.19 | Primer | try that |
| 20:16.22 | Primer | that's a single camera |
| 20:16.41 | VIad | your ratio can be expressed as 4/3 instead of a string |
| 20:16.46 | VIad | in your js |
| 20:16.55 | Primer | meh |
| 20:17.05 | Primer | I wrote that in like 2 minutes, I don't care |
| 20:17.52 | VIad | your js has no "click" handler |
| 20:17.58 | VIad | to maximize like you said |
| 20:17.59 | Primer | yes it does |
| 20:18.21 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: do you want the pack.lua script from wrath? |
| 20:18.47 | Primer | line 91: $("#cam" + k).toggle ( |
| 20:18.54 | Semlar | sure |
| 20:19.32 | VIad | I see, haven't used toggle before actually :P |
| 20:19.53 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/CFdhjrpu thats pack.lua |
| 20:20.42 | Semlar | do partial rotations really cause issues with the textures |
| 20:20.45 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/zLU9pVQQ that was named pack2.lua, i think it was something i was working in temporarily |
| 20:21.15 | Arrowmaster | i think it was just so much easier to only do 90° rotations |
| 20:21.38 | Semlar | i think if i calculated the size of the image after the rotation correctly it shouldn't mess it up |
| 20:21.53 | Arrowmaster | and we rotated everything to be lined up on the minimap, some of the dungeon maps are rotated differently |
| 20:22.11 | Arrowmaster | the ones they added in 3.1 i mean |
| 20:23.17 | Semlar | since they added maps to most of the instances i could actually show the player locations and stuff on it too |
| 20:23.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah blizzard killed off a lot of the datamining i used to do with patch 3.1 |
| 20:23.58 | Arrowmaster | instance maps and an api to get item sellprice |
| 20:24.11 | Arrowmaster | also an api for movement speed |
| 20:24.14 | Semlar | yeah it's not really necessary to make your own map for them any more |
| 20:25.04 | Semlar | but understanding how wmos actually look makes me realize why naming all the subzones was a little weird |
| 20:26.07 | Arrowmaster | i suggest you try some of the ones that my script has extra stuff to correct for |
| 20:26.34 | Arrowmaster | like Valgarde_80GW |
| 20:27.42 | Arrowmaster | seems to be something weird in DrakTharon_72_Wing but i dont remember what it is |
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| 20:30.15 | VIad | Semlar: tell me, why are there names on the subzones |
| 20:30.47 | Semlar | so your minimap text will change |
| 20:32.44 | VIad | but isn't that a locale thing? |
| 20:32.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9lgi5.jpg |
| 20:32.56 | Semlar | of course it's localized |
| 20:33.15 | VIad | I thought you meant that the wmo and such files had names in them :P |
| 20:33.29 | Semlar | sometimes they do |
| 20:33.37 | Semlar | those aren't localized |
| 20:34.05 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/ZGqDa.gif |
| 20:34.12 | VIad | ye |
| 20:34.19 | VIad | I wonder why they give them such names :D |
| 20:34.26 | VIad | pvppuppyleft |
| 20:34.26 | VIad | :D |
| 20:34.29 | Semlar | presumably for the programmers |
| 20:34.45 | VIad | try finding naughty words |
| 20:38.57 | Arrowmaster | so i got a copy of the background check they did for this job offer, only thing that showed up was a car accident and apparently the officer never even filed a report on it |
| 20:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | So how did the accident show up then? Insurance report? |
| 20:42.42 | Semlar | he crashed into the guy doing the background check |
| 20:42.55 | Arrowmaster | dmv driving record, it was recorded but not written report was filed by the officer on the details of the accident i guess |
| 20:43.22 | Arrowmaster | it says "Police Report Filed FALSE " |
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| 21:05.32 | VIad | Primer: |
| 21:05.55 | VIad | 6RPM576 parked outside your house |
| 21:06.15 | VIad | the car is in the sun if you plan to drive it later and you don't wish it to be too hot inside, drive it in the shadow |
| 21:06.36 | VIad | you have forgotten to rake the leaves in your backyard, I see two brooms and lots of leaves |
| 21:06.57 | VIad | you got 4-5 black bags to throw away, they just stand near the walls |
| 21:06.59 | VIad | get to work! |
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| 21:18.32 | foxlit | Gah, I seem to have painted myself into an api design corner. |
| 21:18.37 | Primer | VIad: I have kids for that |
| 21:18.52 | nevcairiel | foxlit: throw more paint at it |
| 21:18.59 | foxlit | I have an API function that with syntax similar to actionId = Library:CreateWidget("type", ...) where ... are type-specific args. |
| 21:19.03 | Primer | VIad: and yes, thank you for pointing out my wife's car's license plate |
| 21:19.07 | foxlit | s/actionId/widgetId/ |
| 21:19.16 | VIad | sorry, I forgot the log |
| 21:19.40 | foxlit | I now want to add some cross-type attributes to those widgets. |
| 21:20.34 | nevcairiel | public api or only used by you, eg. how flexible are you in changing itß |
| 21:20.34 | foxlit | Normally, that'd mean something like Library:SetAttribute(widgetId, "name", value), but I don't particularly like the idea of widgets being mutable -- setting attributes after the fact seems bad. |
| 21:20.36 | nevcairiel | ? |
| 21:21.07 | VIad | Primer: your webcams can be used to log your schedule patterns |
| 21:21.28 | Semlar | vlad quit stalking primer |
| 21:21.32 | VIad | I mean as a thief I can sit and log down when you leave and the times and make a schedule when the house is empty :D |
| 21:21.46 | VIad | but I like Primer |
| 21:22.01 | foxlit | nevcairiel: breaking things to some extent is not a problem. Finding a likable design is hard, though :) |
| 21:22.47 | foxlit | :CreateWidget("withattributes", attrTable, "type", ...) seems like a possible workaround, but also a bit ugly. |
| 21:22.53 | nevcairiel | i assume the ... in createwidget are also name-value pairs? or a type specific order of params? |
| 21:23.07 | foxlit | the former. |
| 21:23.10 | foxlit | er, latter. |
| 21:24.38 | nevcairiel | trying to put everything into one call will eventually get ugly |
| 21:24.44 | nevcairiel | best solution i see is a params table as well |
| 21:25.19 | nevcairiel | i personally like the idea of setters, but if you dont want that =p |
| 21:25.44 | Primer | VIad: yes, I realize this |
| 21:25.56 | VIad | don't worry Primer! |
| 21:26.06 | VIad | I shall look after thieves and report when I see suspicious behavior! |
| 21:26.15 | foxlit | nevcairiel: the concern is that since it's publicly callable, someone will inevitably set someone else's attributes, and things will end in tears. |
| 21:26.15 | Primer | You're half way around the world, aren't you? |
| 21:26.15 | VIad | I live in norway anyway, no need to fear me :p |
| 21:26.22 | Primer | right |
| 21:26.44 | Primer | plus my cams record: http://home.ceregatti.org/camera/cam1/2012/08/13/00-55-32.avi |
| 21:27.56 | foxlit | Then again, maybe I should stop taking the shotgun approach to ensuring that callers behave. |
| 21:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | Blasphemy! Shoot them all, the gods will know their own. |
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| 21:47.22 | Arrowmaster | ohh my steam bug report got marked "High Priority" |
| 21:49.54 | Jammer | linux bug I guess? |
| 21:50.17 | Jammer | or do they show other kind of bugs to the public |
| 21:51.23 | Arrowmaster | well it is the steam-for-linux bug tracker |
| 21:51.46 | Arrowmaster | anybody else using steam linux that can check something? |
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| 22:16.15 | foxlit | heh, GetVehicleBarIndex, GetOverrideBarIndex, GetTempShapeshiftBarIndex are in the restricted environment, but GetExtraBarIndex is not. |
| 22:21.44 | Ackis | anyone here from Mal'Ganis? |
| 22:22.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:25.06 | Stanzilla | Ackis: did you read what I wrote you today |
| 22:25.29 | Ackis | Stanzilla: nope |
| 22:25.41 | Stanzilla | do it then |
| 22:28.21 | Mr_Rabies | i know some guys in goon squad, Ackis, but i'm not sure they play anymore :< |
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| 22:32.22 | VIad | your neighbor left their driveway, Primer |
| 22:32.27 | VIad | she is backing out as we speak |
| 22:32.37 | VIad | aaand she drove away to the left |
| 22:33.12 | Arrowmaster | hes going to blacklist you from the server soon |
| 22:34.29 | TC-work | creepy.... |
| 22:34.31 | Semlar | vlad what did i say about stalking primer |
| 22:34.48 | VIad | I am stalking everyone else on his property |
| 22:40.01 | VIad | anyone played Anno 2070? |
| 22:42.01 | VIad | Primer: I can watch the sun setting, the shadow moving away. |
| 22:43.18 | Humbedooh | VIad: yup |
| 22:43.32 | VIad | wonder if the cameras got nightvision |
| 22:43.51 | Arrowmaster | VIad: go watch something else, anything else |
| 22:44.35 | VIad | why Arrowmaster? so you can sneak up and steal Primer's grill? |
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| 22:51.31 | VIad | Primer: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&rlz=&q=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.ceregatti.org |
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| 23:17.21 | Arrowmaster | heh bdeen-valve has managed to reproduce both the issues i reported but isnt sure why one of them is even happening yet |
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| 23:31.19 | TC-work | "CNS effects include stupor,confusion, and confabulation with concrete and panoramic illusions and hallucinations, and with regression to automatic "phantom" behaviors such as plucking and disrobing." uh....plucking? |
| 23:32.04 | Unkle | pulling out hair. |
| 23:32.42 | TC-work | No, i understood that part...but that's an automatic behavior? |
| 23:33.00 | Unkle | I think they mean it will become automatic |
| 23:33.27 | Unkle | As in - doesn't rise to the level of conscious choice. |
| 23:34.17 | Primer | VIad: I think I'll be changing that hostname now |
| 23:35.10 | kd3 | whee. my new (first ever!) ssd is here |
| 23:35.17 | VIad | :( |
| 23:35.24 | Arrowmaster | Primer: haha |
| 23:35.39 | VIad | you should |
| 23:35.45 | VIad | google has it plastered all over the net |
| 23:35.50 | Unkle | kd3: going all SSD in my home PC was the best upgrade ever. |
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| 23:36.23 | VIad | Primer: ^^ |
| 23:36.29 | kd3 | it's a 256GB drive, so this'll be my OS/game partition. I'm looking forward to it |
| 23:37.04 | Unkle | I have an extra one of those sitting on my desk 'cause I ran out of SATA 3 connections on my MoBo. |
| 23:37.11 | Unkle | :( |
| 23:37.13 | Primer | kd3: indeed. You will see an appreciable performance gain |
| 23:42.36 | kd3 | I'm mostly amused that I was shipped an mSATA card in an 8.5x11x5" box |
| 23:47.39 | VIad | is two by four a well known expression? |
| 23:47.50 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:48.05 | Arrowmaster | in the US |
| 23:48.07 | kd3 | 2"x4" pieces of wood form the backbone of most residential home construction |
| 23:48.17 | Arrowmaster | no clue what they call them in places that use metric |
| 23:48.53 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_lumber#Dimensional_lumber |
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| 23:50.29 | Cairenn | Arrowmaster: 2"x4" |
| 23:50.59 | VIad | is it a standard measurement used everywhere or just US? |
| 23:51.00 | Arrowmaster | and you people make fun of us for not using metric |
| 23:52.18 | Cairenn | There are many things for which we still use imperial, but the majority is metric |
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| 23:52.50 | kd3 | in the americas, at least. I'd assume the rest of the world uses a similar standard |
| 23:54.43 | Cairenn | For a lot of us, we still use imperial when we discuss our weight and height, as well as when taking our temperatures. For generations younger than I am, they are pretty much all metric. |
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