| 00:04.59 | kd3 | has it fixed the achievement toasts stealing focus? |
| 00:05.05 | Arrowmaster | no clue |
| 00:06.07 | Arrowmaster | i think thats an overlay bug though, because solar2 is the only game ive had the overlay work on and i didnt get the bug with it |
| 00:06.25 | Arrowmaster | but i had to disable the overlay due to it corrupting graphics in the game, yet i still didnt get the bug |
| 00:07.05 | Arrowmaster | got an even weirder bug now though |
| 00:07.24 | Arrowmaster | open steam, then exit steam, get an updating steam popup, steam opens again |
| 00:08.11 | Adys | Semlar_: i pushed the changes to python-mpq |
| 00:08.13 | Adys | pull them |
| 00:08.16 | Arrowmaster | even made sure to get the latest .deb and im still getting this |
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| 00:13.16 | kd3 | oh, huh. it did the same thing to me |
| 00:13.35 | kd3 | start steam after the update's done, then exit steam and the update window comes back up |
| 00:15.00 | Arrowmaster | and then steam comes back up too |
| 00:16.02 | kd3 | but at least it properly exits the second time |
| 00:22.01 | Arrowmaster | just got an achievement in spacechem, where the overlay also works |
| 00:22.05 | Arrowmaster | did not steal focus |
| 00:22.41 | Arrowmaster | also managed to record to youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?hd=1&v=vXZr3SOQECY |
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| 00:34.40 | Arrowmaster | nate silver ama |
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| 00:43.22 | Neffi | haha Blizzard is becoming increasingly good at trolling their userbase |
| 00:44.33 | Neffi | To upgrade existing heirlooms to work for 81-85 (in 5.2) you will need to spend their initial cost in justice points again. That's really steep on its own, full price for an extra 5 level. But they still haven't addressed the fact that it takes twice as long for a 90 to farm JP as it did for an 85. |
| 00:47.28 | End_ | it might help in 5.2 that if you're capped on vp for the week it spills over into jp |
| 00:47.31 | End_ | but |
| 00:47.40 | End_ | I usually don't cap until late late in the week or sometimes not at all |
| 00:48.44 | Neffi | Which makes sense if you consider heirlooms something that people buy just to blow extra JP |
| 00:49.01 | Neffi | But not if you consider heirlooms a goal in themselves. If you want to level a character and have heirlooms, you farm specifically for them |
| 00:49.23 | End_ | yeah |
| 00:49.26 | Neffi | Level 81-85 takes less time to level through, than the time it takes to actually upgrade the heirlooms because JP has become such a bitch to farm |
| 00:49.29 | End_ | most of my alts are 85 already though |
| 00:49.33 | xyphoid | jp are weird |
| 00:49.36 | End_ | so I don't care that much |
| 00:49.37 | Neffi | So the math doesn't at all work out right now |
| 00:49.38 | xyphoid | what do you actually get them from now |
| 00:49.45 | Neffi | they've tuned it for backward progress |
| 00:49.50 | Neffi | or negative progress |
| 00:50.04 | TC-work | I got this in a work email http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/tybuq/did_you_ever_think_you_were_going_to_die_from_a/ >.< |
| 00:50.35 | End_ | jps come from killing 5man bosses or scenarios |
| 00:50.43 | End_ | but it's not a lot |
| 00:51.01 | Neffi | exactly half of what you got for level 85 heroics |
| 00:51.05 | Neffi | or whatever |
| 00:51.28 | karl_w_w | why would you grind jp tp buy heirlooms instead of just levelling? |
| 00:51.53 | End_ | for 80-85 upgrades, you wouldn't |
| 00:52.28 | Neffi | i got my looms when I was still 85. the grind was entirely reasonable to bother getting all the looms |
| 00:52.36 | Neffi | i wouldn't do it again at 90, because it's not |
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| 01:22.42 | Adys | Dagmar / Arrowmaster: what was that tool, a lot like top/iotop, but for network? |
| 01:25.51 | Adys | "so when are we getting a toc style raid again?? no trash just bash with complex pvp esque fight, most fun in a raid ever" |
| 01:25.54 | Adys | GOOD GOD FUCK OFF. |
| 01:26.13 | Adys | TOC was possibly *the* raid that was most complained about in the history of wow |
| 01:26.16 | Adys | for how boring it was. |
| 01:27.42 | Neffi | Adys: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/368002/network-usage-top-htop-on-linux |
| 01:28.28 | Arrowmaster | Adys: iftop? |
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| 01:31.44 | xyphoid | haha imagine a LFR faction champions fight |
| 01:32.21 | Adys | xyphoid: pure aoe |
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| 01:52.51 | Arrowmaster | i get the feeling my reply to http://redd.it/167g58 is going to get downvoted as trolling |
| 01:54.18 | bleeter | http://nyanwaits.com/ |
| 01:58.01 | bleeter | http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/8/3850056/qualcomms-insane-ces-2013-keynote-pictures-tweets |
| 02:06.16 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: I got your back! UPVOTE FROM ME! |
| 02:07.37 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: its a completely serious post though, all these damn apps that do that are windows only |
| 02:07.45 | bluspacecow | not sure what this is about but you have my upvote |
| 02:07.50 | bluspacecow | and my shield. |
| 02:08.12 | Ackis | and my banana |
| 02:08.30 | bluspacecow | no that's just you happy to see him |
| 02:09.19 | bluspacecow | http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-25-funniest-autocorrects-of-2012 |
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| 02:24.24 | Arrowmaster | kd3: johnv-valve closed the mouse pointer bug even though its only partially fixed |
| 02:24.33 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow: EPIC PENIS |
| 02:24.45 | bluspacecow | win! |
| 02:27.01 | Arrowmaster | and a new bug report to follow https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/600 |
| 02:36.55 | karl_w_w | I heard that bluspacecow has taken up sexual abstinance because his previous sexual partner left him very angry |
| 02:36.59 | karl_w_w | ewe mad? |
| 02:37.05 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 02:37.34 | bleeter | https://twitter.com/mountainviewpd/status/288283144040374272 |
| 02:37.44 | karl_w_w | that's the best joke I've ever come up with |
| 02:37.49 | karl_w_w | it's all downhill from here |
| 02:37.58 | bluspacecow | good show sir |
| 02:38.21 | Rythal | really? the best? that's kinda sad |
| 02:39.27 | karl_w_w | :( |
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| 03:04.03 | Arrowmaster | Ť̴̴̙̹̗̜̬͉̘̞̩͔͉̘̾ͦͮ̿̄̉̍ͥ̇̄͋͢E̸̸̢͍͖͉̪̭̬̥͉̪̠̬͖̋͆̾ͥ̂̋ͬ͊̏̔̚͜S̵̬̞̩̺͔͔͖̞̥̼͈̮̟̻̭̅̇͑̊̀̏̄͆͌͂ͪ́̚͘T̶̝̱̞̳̦̝̗̜̠̰̹̲̠̮͓̦̼̹͌̽͗̒͋ͥ͐͟͞͠ͅ |
| 03:04.27 | durcyn | bluspacecow: every single one of those autocorrect images is fake |
| 03:04.39 | pompy1 | ok Arrowmaster |
| 03:04.45 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 03:04.50 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 03:12.32 | bleeter | sounds like fun https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam#Running_Steam_in_a_second_X_Server |
| 03:22.18 | Neffi | Hmm. That's not a bad idea for running games in Wine. |
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| 03:23.37 | bluspacecow | a random Kodiack appears |
| 03:23.44 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.12 | Thunder_Child | durcyn: It doesnt really matter, they are still funny. |
| 03:31.47 | durcyn | Thunder_Child: people say the same thing about chuck lorre |
| 03:33.25 | pompy1 | Shirik: who killed wikipedia |
| 03:33.52 | Semlar | it was a group effort |
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| 04:15.08 | Neffi | are there any online repos of interface art? |
| 04:15.51 | kd3 | you can extract it from the client yourself |
| 04:15.57 | Semlar | some on wowprogramming but it's not up to date |
| 04:16.02 | Neffi | i see it |
| 04:16.20 | Neffi | what i'm looking for is faction icons. they'd definitely be in an out-of-date repo. any idea where i should look? |
| 04:16.48 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Wowpedia:ICON |
| 04:16.57 | kd3 | if it's in \\Interface\\Icons, it'll b e there |
| 04:17.39 | Neffi | kd3: i <3 u |
| 04:18.08 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Interface/WorldStateFrame/AllianceIcon.png |
| 04:18.17 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Interface/WorldStateFrame/HordeIcon.png |
| 04:18.35 | Semlar | there are likely others |
| 04:19.15 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Interface/PVPFrame/PVP-Conquest-Misc.png there's two on here that are bigger |
| 04:19.21 | Neffi | hoping to find something square like class icons |
| 04:19.32 | Neffi | it's fitting into a place that's also meant for class/spec icons |
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| 04:23.45 | Semlar | http://www.wowpedia.org/Category:WoW_Icons:_UI_CharacterCreate_Factions |
| 04:25.37 | Semlar | there's also the currency icons http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Pvpcurrency-honor-horde.png?c=1 |
| 04:26.15 | Semlar | and the fancier currency icons http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Pvpcurrency-conquest-horde.png?c=1 |
| 04:26.32 | Neffi | Where are these located in the WoW path? |
| 04:26.50 | Semlar | i think it's interface/icons/ |
| 04:27.30 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.45 | Neffi | I can't find it using Wowpedia's name |
| 04:30.25 | kd3 | sec - boss fight |
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| 04:32.10 | Semlar | yeah.. wowpedia's paths appear to be useless |
| 04:32.32 | Semlar | hang on |
| 04:32.38 | kd3 | everything on the page I linked is in inventory\\icons. we don't really add other stuff |
| 04:32.46 | Semlar | yeah it's not though |
| 04:32.59 | Semlar | "Pvpcurrency-conquest-horde" isn't under interface/icons/ |
| 04:33.31 | Neffi | I tried every variation on the path |
| 04:33.35 | Neffi | I'll just extract the art and search this shit manually |
| 04:33.37 | Semlar | i lied yes it is |
| 04:33.46 | Semlar | whatever i tried first didn't work |
| 04:33.55 | Neffi | that's not the icon i'm looking for though |
| 04:34.01 | Semlar | which one do you want |
| 04:34.03 | Neffi | i'm looking for the faction icon, which isn't there |
| 04:34.16 | Neffi | it exists, but not where Wowpedia claims it does |
| 04:34.20 | Semlar | they're all faction icons which one in particular |
| 04:34.29 | Neffi | these http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Ui-charactercreate-factions_alliance.png?c=1 |
| 04:36.00 | Neffi | ah, it's under glues/ |
| 04:36.21 | Semlar | how did you find that |
| 04:36.46 | Semlar | i don't see anything on wowpedia that shows the actual path |
| 04:37.05 | Neffi | i extracted the UI code |
| 04:37.13 | Semlar | but that's cheating |
| 04:37.18 | Neffi | I assumed it must be in GlueXML because it's used on the login page, not in-game |
| 04:37.37 | Neffi | found it in the folder "glues" with a name similar to what Wowpedia suggested, but not exactly the same |
| 04:41.03 | Semlar | close enough |
| 04:45.08 | Neffi | beautiful. got icons for my flag-carrier unit frames. now to figure out a way to reliably get specs for arenaN units |
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| 05:33.07 | Semlar | can someone tell me why gsub('(%a)%1','%1') works to replace one repeated character but gsub('(%a)%1+','%1') doesn't do anything |
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| 05:35.13 | Semlar | i'm trying to reduce something like "orgrimmmmmar" down to "orgrimar" |
| 05:35.45 | Neffi | or Neffi to Nefi? |
| 05:36.11 | Semlar | yeah |
| 05:36.39 | Semlar | gsub('(%a)%1','') this appears to work |
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| 05:37.29 | Semlar | maybe %1 in the second argument doesn't capture what i think it does |
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| 06:08.34 | Arrowmaster | lol http://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/167vh4/rrpg_what_is_the_weirdest_sentence_to_be_uttered/ |
| 06:11.10 | kd3 | haha |
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| 06:14.44 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 06:32.23 | karl_w_w | good news bleeter, paul fletcher doesn't know what inflation is |
| 06:32.30 | karl_w_w | wanders away |
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| 06:42.47 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: sorry its been a while since i've pulled and rsynced. |
| 06:42.49 | jnwhiteh | i may try tomorrow |
| 06:42.54 | jnwhiteh | err tonight |
| 06:43.11 | Semlar | word |
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| 06:52.42 | Semlar | oh, jnwhiteh the artbrowser has some interesting behavior from some of the links which are somehow linked from google |
| 06:52.50 | Semlar | like http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/Icons/MINIMAP |
| 06:53.33 | Semlar | it gets the directory listing for http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/MINIMAP/ but none of the links work because the path is wrong |
| 06:54.02 | Semlar | how does it even get the directory listing? |
| 06:54.24 | jnwhiteh | because taht is a directory listing? |
| 06:54.37 | Semlar | for the first link, it shouldn't work |
| 06:54.38 | jnwhiteh | i'm confused to the question |
| 06:54.43 | Semlar | the path /icons/minimap doesn't exist |
| 06:54.56 | jnwhiteh | yes it does |
| 06:54.57 | Semlar | if you click any of the images, they don't show up |
| 06:55.03 | jnwhiteh | in whatever art I have there. |
| 06:55.06 | jnwhiteh | its the index |
| 06:55.08 | jnwhiteh | sec |
| 06:55.24 | Semlar | no it gives the directory listing for /interface/minimap |
| 06:55.57 | Semlar | i mean i could change "icons" to anything and it would still give that directory listing |
| 06:56.12 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/asdfdfasdf/MINIMAP/TRACKING |
| 06:56.52 | jnwhiteh | oh, odd |
| 06:56.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 06:56.56 | Semlar | yeah |
| 06:58.03 | jnwhiteh | ah, interesting bug |
| 06:58.38 | Semlar | i was searching it with google and some of the links went to indexes like this so none of the images worked |
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| 07:00.04 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: those urls should revert to the shortest path matched |
| 07:00.05 | jnwhiteh | now |
| 07:00.10 | jnwhiteh | and i'll have to make it have better behaviour |
| 07:01.34 | jnwhiteh | so google gets updated |
| 07:06.29 | karl_w_w | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=500314723339960&set=a.208242312547204.51068.208009342570501&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf the fuck |
| 07:17.49 | bleeter | karl_w_w: wouldn't be the first Aussie politician who's had a problem with this idea. Or do you mean some other moron with the same name? |
| 07:19.02 | bleeter | hugs jnwhiteh 'Happy New Year bloke!' |
| 07:20.27 | jnwhiteh | ty =) |
| 07:20.30 | bleeter | karl_w_w: oic.... http://delimiter.com.au/2013/01/09/fletcher-takes-a-big-fat-swing-at-4g-auction/ or http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/universal-electronic-id-must-be-offered-20130108-2cdvf.html |
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| 07:23.04 | bleeter | networkng: you're doing it right http://i.imgur.com/qxRme.jpg |
| 07:35.39 | karl_w_w | yes bleeter, see my comment at http://www.zdnet.com/au/conroys-4g-spectrum-pricing-seriously-flawed-fletcher-7000009558/ |
| 07:39.09 | bleeter | karl_w_w: ah right yes. well the problem really is Stephen Conroy is also a moron... so it's kinda like flies to shit |
| 07:40.16 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 07:50.15 | bleeter | come to think of it, I don't think Australia's had any seriously technically literate ministers since... Ben Chifley (train engineer) |
| 07:50.23 | bleeter | 1945-49 |
| 07:50.53 | bleeter | without him there'd be no CSIRO, and as we all know without CSIRO there'd be no WIFI |
| 07:50.58 | bleeter | ducks |
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| 08:21.58 | bleeter | whoever sent me http://i.imgur.com/igzfw.png - I've been informed by a postal worker that this sort of thing's been known to go on inside the sorting machines, breaking them. |
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| 09:47.08 | zenzio | oh for the love of... it's 2013, websites need to stop making things that look like buttons but are only clickable on the text |
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| 09:49.06 | karl_w_w | what zenzio said |
| 09:49.20 | bleeter | heads off to make a Greasemonkey script to turn clickable buttons into buttons with clickable text |
| 09:49.56 | bleeter | modifies Greasemonkey script and puts it inside all the http:// routers |
| 09:50.13 | karl_w_w | would be tricky to detect what's meant to be a button and what isn't |
| 09:50.56 | bleeter | when the aim is to annoy people like you and zenzio, 'tricky' is irrelevant :P |
| 09:51.22 | bleeter | all I need is a catchy name so I can patent and TM this tech |
| 09:51.57 | bleeter | hey, stupider things have sold before |
| 09:52.02 | bleeter | just look at instagram |
| 09:54.18 | karl_w_w | woo, soloed the elegon trash achieve |
| 09:54.21 | karl_w_w | on my mage |
| 09:55.27 | bleeter | grats |
| 09:55.29 | bleeter | https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/chive-animals-funny-11.jpg |
| 09:57.22 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 10:05.02 | chiel | karl_w_w: how, invis? |
| 10:05.22 | chiel | how did you stay alive long enouhg once you pulled the trash though? |
| 10:06.17 | karl_w_w | i invised into position then pulled and ice blocked |
| 10:06.43 | karl_w_w | came out of ice block just before the knockback and cauterize kept me alive long enough to get the achieve |
| 10:18.27 | chiel | ah, makes sense :) |
| 10:18.40 | chiel | when you knocked through the rings, do you land "safely" on the other side? |
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| 11:22.35 | karl_w_w | chiel you have to make it across to get the achieve |
| 11:29.14 | chiel | right, I thought it was just pass through both rings, but I suppose that implies landing on the other side again :) |
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| 12:37.01 | Semlar | mikma: http://semlar.com/navi.zip i updated the areas, it still needs some work though |
| 12:42.58 | Semlar | i'll probably try and make it so when you hover over an area it shows you what it is like the regular area text |
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| 13:21.30 | VIad | :D |
| 13:31.52 | karl_w_w | <Semlar> i'll probably try and make it so when you hover over an area it shows you what it is like the regular area text <- if i wanted to wave my mouse around aimlessly trying to find places I can already do that with the default ui :P |
| 13:41.59 | chiel | default ui only shows places you have already visited though, afaik? |
| 13:43.57 | karl_w_w | there are places people haven't visited? :P |
| 13:45.27 | chiel | well i mean, even if you have every part of the world's map uncovered, there will still be locations you have not been to |
| 13:45.34 | chiel | so hovering over them won't do much good :) |
| 13:50.02 | karl_w_w | really? |
| 13:50.07 | karl_w_w | I never knew that |
| 13:53.02 | chiel | yea it's pretty annoying |
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| 14:14.04 | zenzio | something tells me this is not how the graph should look... http://i.imgur.com/mzoWp.png |
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| 14:34.29 | bluipodcow | Dang |
| 14:35.00 | bluipodcow | I was hoping for a formula that when plotted was a giant penis ....... |
| 14:35.27 | zenzio | well, the way it's behaving, it might as well have been |
| 14:42.04 | VIad | I have a question, in Norway we write multiplication as * but I see that many teachers in US use "x" how come? |
| 14:43.48 | zenzio | strictly speaking it's not *, but a round, vertically centered dot... but yeah |
| 14:45.56 | zenzio | "The middle dot is standard in the United States, the United Kingdom, and other countries where the period is used as a decimal point. In other countries that use a comma as a decimal point, either the period or a middle dot is used for multiplication.[citation needed]" |
| 14:46.21 | VIad | I don't know zenzio |
| 14:46.36 | VIad | always used . for decimals in schools and the * sign (the dot) |
| 14:46.53 | VIad | never used , or x because we use 100,- for currency annotation :P |
| 14:46.57 | VIad | 100,- is 100NOK |
| 14:47.24 | VIad | and x can be similar to + so it's better to use dot or a star like * :D |
| 14:47.25 | zenzio | "." for decimals? Unless they changed it in the last ten years, I don't know which school you've attended |
| 14:47.32 | VIad | 13.37 |
| 14:47.38 | VIad | what?... |
| 14:47.38 | zenzio | 13, 37 |
| 14:47.44 | zenzio | without the space... |
| 14:47.48 | VIad | 13,37,- |
| 14:47.52 | VIad | 13.37,- |
| 14:47.57 | VIad | price tag :P |
| 14:48.01 | Humbedooh | no |
| 14:48.04 | zenzio | no VIad |
| 14:48.07 | Humbedooh | ,- means "0 øre" |
| 14:48.12 | zenzio | ",-" == ",0" |
| 14:48.21 | VIad | hmm |
| 14:48.33 | VIad | it's quicker to write . than , :P |
| 14:49.22 | VIad | tbh no teacher ever told me "you have to use" regarding multiplication or decimal character :D |
| 14:49.35 | zenzio | by hand or on keyboard? |
| 14:49.50 | VIad | lol, hand |
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| 14:50.05 | Kalroth | 1.000.000,00 is 1 million! |
| 14:50.06 | VIad | but I coincidentally use same style as I do when programming :P |
| 14:50.07 | zenzio | if you're writing with a ball-point pen, you tend to have to circle the pen a bit to get a proper dot, but maybe I'm just slow in that regard |
| 14:50.33 | zenzio | Kalroth: unfortunately, in Norwegian the thousand separator is " "... |
| 14:50.38 | zenzio | 1 000 000,- :( |
| 14:50.40 | VIad | :P |
| 14:50.50 | VIad | if I need a separator other than space I'd use ' |
| 14:50.56 | VIad | 1'000'000.00 |
| 14:50.59 | zenzio | I tend to do that |
| 14:51.19 | Kalroth | zenzio: thats nuts! |
| 14:51.24 | VIad | the bottom tip of , makes the numbers appear out of line to me :P |
| 14:51.26 | zenzio | I agree |
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| 14:52.09 | Kalroth | we should never have set Norway free, you guys are worse than Iceland |
| 14:52.17 | zenzio | probably, yes |
| 14:52.20 | VIad | lol |
| 14:52.27 | VIad | as I said |
| 14:52.34 | VIad | no teacher ever tells you "you must write like this" |
| 14:52.37 | zenzio | I think half of our language rules are only because we don't want to sound Danish or Swedish |
| 14:52.45 | VIad | maybe some, but none of my math teachers, so I just tought myself :P |
| 14:52.56 | zenzio | you've got bad teachers then |
| 14:53.07 | zenzio | also not surprising in Norwegian schools |
| 14:53.10 | VIad | :P |
| 14:53.17 | VIad | yeah, my math teacher didn't care that much |
| 14:53.19 | VIad | barely passed |
| 14:53.28 | VIad | luckily tought myself a lot in uni on my own |
| 14:53.46 | zenzio | I stopped taking math after 11th grade because my math teacher that year was so uninspiring |
| 14:53.59 | zenzio | she might as well never have been there, all she did was recite the book |
| 14:54.02 | VIad | I needed math for computer science and technology :< |
| 14:55.07 | VIad | I like to learn but I only ask for the teacher to at least help me get started :P |
| 14:55.47 | VIad | anyway why use x for multiplication? |
| 14:56.11 | VIad | for once it's too similar to + :P |
| 14:58.39 | Arrowmaster | why do job opportunities always come in groups? nothing at all for months and then yesterday the owner of a small IT company emails me and today the consulting firm ive worked for emails me |
| 14:59.05 | Fisker | Arrowmaster |
| 14:59.25 | karl_w_w | wow, in the middle of a pet battle, destroying the guy, suddenly I dc |
| 14:59.40 | karl_w_w | no lag or any problems otherwise |
| 14:59.44 | karl_w_w | just randomly |
| 14:59.48 | karl_w_w | not suspect at all |
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| 15:00.46 | zenzio | I remember being disconnected twice for jumping in a certain spot outside Shattrath when I was trying to climb the mountain. Worked fine the third time, but I never figured that one out |
| 15:01.14 | VIad | you dc if you fall trough the world, like, dc in a row :P |
| 15:01.27 | VIad | also you dc if someone trades you a bugged item now, that people bug using exploits :P |
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| 15:16.54 | stuf | had a weird bug where i fell through the ground in silverpine to the northern lake in stonetalon |
| 15:17.11 | stuf | and the silithus cave in dun morogh |
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| 15:33.27 | VIad | I' |
| 15:33.39 | VIad | I've been feared by mobs or charged trough weird terrain on my warrior, that made me fall :P |
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| 15:41.26 | Adys | Semlar: have you tried it? |
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| 15:54.13 | Unkle1 | http://store.dieselsweeties.com/collections/coffee-mug-zone - ROFL |
| 15:55.55 | Shirik | I don't think that will fly in my office |
| 15:56.16 | Shirik | Also, why is "I'll" the only word not capitalized |
| 15:59.19 | karl_w_w | maybe to make it fit more neatly |
| 15:59.40 | karl_w_w | or just to annoy people like me who appreciate attention to detail |
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| 16:21.51 | alestane | So, one of my clients just rebooted a machine and now it is not connecting to the network. Currently, he thinks this may be because several days ago I ran yum updates and "the new kernel may not be compatible with the network hardware." Does this sound like a reasonable expectation for any sane operating system? |
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| 16:27.53 | Shirik | alestane: Not really |
| 16:28.05 | Shirik | however I could understand if his new kernel broke some application that was running |
| 16:28.16 | Shirik | or rather he updated an application and now it broke |
| 16:28.25 | alestane | Also a possibility. |
| 16:28.38 | Shirik | Like Linus would freak out if a kernel update would break something |
| 16:28.42 | Shirik | he already has once |
| 16:28.46 | alestane | But right now we're getting "No route to host." |
| 16:29.19 | Shirik | https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75 |
| 16:29.27 | alestane | Which also means I can't examine the machine remotely. |
| 16:29.51 | Shirik | have you confirmed all his network cards are up? |
| 16:31.18 | alestane | I had him try restarting the network service, but haven't explicitly confirmed that the interface is up yet...I suppose it's possible that the interface is no longer set to enable on boot or something weird. |
| 16:33.12 | alestane | the output from ifconfig doesn't appear to indicate whether the interface is enabled or not. |
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| 16:42.03 | Shirik | alestane: I'm not currently on a Linux box but I believe that there's something that should say "UP" somewhere |
| 16:42.30 | alestane | Found it. #cat /sys/class/net/eth0/operstate |
| 16:42.36 | Rythal | if it's showing in ifconfig 99% it's up, but is it showing it has an IP is the main question.... i've had cases where after a reboot my interface was suddenly eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 16:42.52 | Shirik | logged into my server |
| 16:43.03 | Shirik | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 16:43.29 | alestane | Ah yes, there it is. |
| 16:43.42 | alestane | Missed it because it was buried in with all that other stuff. |
| 16:44.06 | Rythal | sad thing is... I missed it too lol, I just did an ifconfig and was looking for *UP* or something |
| 16:44.47 | bluipodcow | Meow |
| 16:45.31 | Shirik | pets bluipodcow |
| 16:47.17 | alestane | I really have no business being a Linux admin, but most of the time my client is happy with the results... |
| 16:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | Fake it till you make it. |
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| 17:00.03 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy in some situations faking it significantly reduces the chances of ever making it. |
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| 17:00.35 | Unkle1 | I love how it takes multiple times telling someone "read the FAQ" before they actually read the FAQ. And by love I really mean "sends me into a murderous rage." |
| 17:01.19 | mckenziemc | maybe you should've read the FAQ on telling people to read the FAQ |
| 17:01.23 | Rythal | people read FAQ's? |
| 17:01.31 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 17:01.39 | karl_w_w | I do. |
| 17:01.48 | karl_w_w | Therefore Lopeppeppy is wrong. |
| 17:02.20 | Lopeppeppy | I write the bloody things - trust me, nobody reads 'em. |
| 17:02.27 | Rythal | I've discovered, people never read FAQ's... and people rarely update cuz it takes time. |
| 17:02.48 | karl_w_w | you're right cuzzy cuz |
| 17:02.49 | Lopeppeppy | If the scientists in here haven't read this, it's a hoot. http://io9.com/5974256/overlyhonestmethods-is-the-postsecret-of-the-science-world-and-it-is-amazing |
| 17:03.24 | karl_w_w | but people do read FAQs |
| 17:03.35 | karl_w_w | if you beat everyone over the head with it |
| 17:03.54 | mckenziemc | slaps karl_w_w around a bit with a large FAQ |
| 17:04.15 | karl_w_w | obviously it needs to be the sort of community where people interact with each other so they know every1 gets beaten over the head with it |
| 17:04.52 | Rythal | I need a good excuse to give a boss why I can't work tommorow, when really I'm going for an interview with someone else :/ |
| 17:05.05 | karl_w_w | blue balls |
| 17:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | Repairs at home. |
| 17:06.18 | karl_w_w | yes that's always a good one |
| 17:06.19 | Unkle1 | Rythal: Does your employer offer "personal" days? As in time off you can take for any reason? |
| 17:06.37 | karl_w_w | your hot water system broke down |
| 17:07.08 | Humbedooh | your aunt has syphilis! |
| 17:07.32 | karl_w_w | your granny has chlamydia |
| 17:08.43 | Unkle1 | I once had to call into work 'cause half-way into my shower, covered in soap my apartment building shut off the water. It took them an hour to get it back on. Strangest phone call I've ever had to make. |
| 17:09.34 | Rythal | Unkle1: no... I'm flipping pizzas to pay the bills while looking for real work, but I don't want to tell them I'm looking for real work else they'll cut my hours knowing i'm leaving. |
| 17:10.00 | Unkle1 | Rythal: Call in sick then. |
| 17:11.20 | mckenziemc | gives Ryhthal diarrhea |
| 17:11.24 | mckenziemc | or however you spell that |
| 17:12.28 | Unkle1 | Yeah, no one wants you in the kitchen if you're leaking shit. |
| 17:12.34 | Rythal | lol |
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| 17:18.05 | Lopeppeppy | ..... |
| 17:18.20 | mckenziemc | you can have some too peppy |
| 17:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | No thank you, I have apartment problems of my own, they're very nice. |
| 17:20.09 | Unkle1 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTix7FDHZcA - lol |
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| 17:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | "Oh, did the cleaning crew leave the blower on all night? I'm sorry about that, I'll make sure they turn it off tonight before they leave." |
| 17:24.41 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, any fan I can hear through 4 walls is not a blower, it's a jet engine. |
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| 17:25.59 | Rythal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrJ8DxECbg&list=UUCsj3Uk-cuVQejdoX-Pc_Lg&index=1 Bwahaha... this is the best prank i've ever seen |
| 17:26.54 | bluipodcow | Home sleep times |
| 17:30.50 | amro | Shirik: ping |
| 17:31.27 | amro | or cogwheel or any other C++ devs |
| 17:31.53 | nevcairiel | answering such questions usually ends up in work |
| 17:33.14 | amro | I'm just looking for tagged smart pointers |
| 17:33.32 | nevcairiel | i refrain from using smart pointers |
| 17:33.34 | amro | I'm considering using shared_ptr with typeid but I'm not sure how much overhead that is |
| 17:33.37 | nevcairiel | goes back to his cave |
| 17:33.47 | amro | batcave |
| 17:33.57 | amro | not using smart pointers and not crashing is superhero stuff |
| 17:34.30 | nevcairiel | sometimes i was tempted to use them, but i could stay away |
| 17:34.52 | nevcairiel | I think it helps the understanding of my own code when i know where resources are kept |
| 17:35.01 | amro | well in this case I must, it's for a script |
| 17:35.14 | amro | so either shared_ptr or some form of GC |
| 17:38.24 | Arrowmaster | somebody seriously just asked 'whats wrong with leaving android usb debugging enabled? it wont matter if somebody has physical access and your device isnt encrypted' |
| 17:39.40 | Unkle1 | "what's wrong with leaving my doors and windows open and putting my SSI card and wallet on the front porch?" |
| 17:40.32 | Arrowmaster | i replyed saying that the last time they used that walmart photo kiosk with usb debugging enabled, they could have just had everything on their phone stolen |
| 17:41.22 | Arrowmaster | although i bet that happened last (and first) time i used one too because the fucking thing scanned every picture on my phone |
| 17:41.33 | Arrowmaster | never again |
| 17:43.30 | Arrowmaster | anybody else with a reddit account i need more upvotes in this tread, im down to 10/8 |
| 17:45.08 | amro | Arrowmaster: link? |
| 17:45.21 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus7/comments/167g58/make_use_of_your_n7_from_your_desktop_keyboard/c7tk3c9 |
| 17:47.42 | karl_w_w | i just saw a ufo |
| 17:47.45 | karl_w_w | sup with that |
| 17:48.52 | Unkle1 | You saw something that appeared to be flying which you could not immediately identify? Welcome to the generic deception which our the humans senses. |
| 17:49.15 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 17:49.18 | Unkle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.15 | karl_w_w | ikr |
| 17:52.22 | karl_w_w | it was interesting though |
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| 17:56.09 | karl_w_w | it was low enough that i could see it out the window on the far side of the room, so no more than 20 degrees above the horizon, but close enough that the 2 lights were clear and had visible separation |
| 17:56.19 | karl_w_w | clearly the aliens are coming to probe me |
| 17:56.32 | Unkle1 | Don't get your hopes up. |
| 17:57.21 | karl_w_w | it was moving pretty fast as well |
| 17:57.50 | karl_w_w | faster than any known earthly vee hickle |
| 17:58.57 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster: I quite enjoyed the 1 comment on the original article |
| 18:01.24 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 18:08.47 | Lopeppeppy | I just seriously had to use a ruler on someone's knuckles for using red text on a green background. After I JUST spent a 2 hour class repeatedly mentioning ADA compliance, including colorblind... /wrists |
| 18:12.01 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: magenta on lime, problem solved! |
| 18:13.05 | Semlar | karl_w_w: there are way too many places to put them all on the map unless i break them down into groups somehow |
| 18:13.07 | Mr_Rabies | i had an old mirc script that would fill a channel with lime on magenta text that i wrote for god knows what reason |
| 18:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry, did you just really scream "kick me in the nuts" ? |
| 18:13.32 | kd3 | ugh |
| 18:13.34 | kd3 | UGH |
| 18:13.45 | Lopeppeppy | Sorry kd3, too graphic for you? |
| 18:14.19 | kd3 | winces |
| 18:14.42 | Rythal | red on green... FOOLS! it's suppose to be green text on a red background |
| 18:15.53 | Lopeppeppy | Whichever way they did it, it was wronglyful and I was wroth. |
| 18:16.20 | kd3 | that's a fun word, wroth |
| 18:16.45 | Lopeppeppy | Very biblical, full of smitings. |
| 18:16.55 | kd3 | learned it from reading some Jacqueline Carey works |
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| 18:17.24 | Rythal | she is one of my favorites |
| 18:19.13 | Mr_Rabies | why would anyone use red text on a green background for anything, regardless of ADA compliance |
| 18:19.53 | kd3 | I /need/ one of these cakes: http://imgur.com/WQ0gO |
| 18:20.04 | Mr_Rabies | the only thing i can think of is a sign or advertisement to get peoples' attention |
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| 18:22.36 | Lopeppeppy | Red grabs people's attention! ...we have specifically forbidden red text on this new site, asshats, get it through your head. |
| 18:23.34 | foxlit | but you're okay with comforting, comforting forest green? |
| 18:23.47 | foxlit | ON AN ORANGE ANIMATED FIRE BACKGROUND. |
| 18:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | Well, our green is a bit more of a teal, but as a background, yes. |
| 18:25.47 | Lopeppeppy | Text color, no. |
| 18:26.50 | foxlit | It's almost as if you don't want your website to look like a pile of poo :/ |
| 18:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | I know, right? |
| 18:27.32 | Mr_Rabies | red and teal don't generally co-exist well |
| 18:27.40 | Mr_Rabies | unless it's a really dark red, maybe? |
| 18:27.49 | Mr_Rabies | or really light red |
| 18:28.19 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrJ8DxECbg that is awesome |
| 18:29.38 | Fisker | old karl_w_w |
| 18:34.22 | karl_w_w | are you Fisker? are you really? |
| 18:34.45 | Thunder_Child | no he is not 'really', he is Fisker. |
| 18:34.46 | Fisker | I sure am karl_w_w however that was not the subject |
| 18:34.47 | Fisker | sry |
| 18:35.33 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 18:35.51 | karl_w_w | I'll have to take some time to come to terms with this |
| 18:36.13 | Thunder_Child | You do that. |
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| 18:42.32 | Semlar | adys: i haven't tried it yet because i had someone compile it for me the first time and he had to do some stuff to get it to work right in windows |
| 18:42.46 | Adys | Semlar: setup.py build |
| 18:42.49 | Adys | setup.py install |
| 18:43.22 | Semlar | the setup i gave up on because it required some plugins i didn't have |
| 18:43.49 | Semlar | a lot of plugins i didn't have |
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| 18:44.55 | Semlar | i got to installing mingw and after that i wasn't sure what it wanted because it was trying to do something with the -cygwin flag |
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| 18:45.50 | Semlar | and apparently my mingw didn't know what that was |
| 18:47.09 | Neffi | I imagine its sentiments are like: "Linux on Windows? wtf r u doin son" |
| 18:47.19 | Semlar | basically |
| 18:47.29 | foxlit | Neffi: how's that right clicking patch coming along? :P |
| 18:47.40 | Neffi | Haven't done a thing on it |
| 18:47.43 | Neffi | been busy with my own stuff |
| 18:47.58 | Neffi | if ever I say I'm going to do something, assume it means Soon(TM) |
| 18:47.59 | foxlit | Is it at least cool stuff? |
| 18:48.06 | Neffi | I think so |
| 18:48.12 | Neffi | the nicest looking UI I've put together yet |
| 18:48.26 | foxlit | aesthetics are a personal thing. |
| 18:49.01 | Neffi | that they are. but my UI is also about functionality and efficiency of information |
| 18:49.54 | foxlit | Lunch. |
| 18:52.03 | Semlar | adys: he says SFILE_OPEN_PATCHED_FILE doesn't exist in the newest stormlib |
| 18:52.29 | Adys | Semlar: "newest stormlib" being? cause 8.20 has it |
| 18:52.42 | Adys | but i remember asking him to remove it, he told me he would |
| 18:54.55 | Semlar | he has whatever's on the site |
| 18:55.01 | Adys | thats 8.20 |
| 18:55.02 | Semlar | which says 8.20 |
| 18:55.28 | Semlar | he's pretty sure it's not there |
| 18:55.30 | Adys | it builds for me... |
| 18:57.14 | Adys | Semlar: whats the issue exactly? |
| 18:57.23 | Adys | cause you were building off 8.20 last time too |
| 18:57.27 | Adys | its a pretty old version now |
| 18:58.11 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.16 | Adys | % grep PATCHED /usr/include/StormLib.h |
| 18:58.16 | Adys | #define SFILE_OPEN_PATCHED_FILE 0x00000001 // Open the file from the MPQ archive |
| 18:58.39 | Semlar | the older one in wowmodelviewer does |
| 18:58.44 | Adys | 37dd5ac8ae6727f1d078a8ad83498cdfe6465920 /usr/include/StormLib.h |
| 18:58.45 | Adys | c29cb4001888a372b1edce51992afec4 /usr/include/StormLib.h |
| 18:59.07 | Adys | lemme check if he updated it without updating the version # |
| 18:59.44 | Semlar | i can tell you the version i have doesn't take any arguments to open a file as "patched" |
| 18:59.44 | Adys | son of a.. he did |
| 19:00.12 | Motig | Does anyone know if it's even possible to rotate a model in a PlayerModel frame along the y-axis? Sadly none of the rotation functions seem to affect it |
| 19:00.21 | Semlar | you can only rotate on one axis |
| 19:00.41 | Adys | Semlar: gimme a few mins |
| 19:00.47 | Motig | seems like it yeah |
| 19:03.33 | Motig | that's too bad |
| 19:04.52 | Semlar | don't quote me on this because i'm not sure how it'll behave but you could try setting the points of the model frame opposite to what they are and might be able to flip horizontally or vertically |
| 19:05.43 | Semlar | like setting the model's topright to its topleft corner |
| 19:08.23 | kd3 | Boeing goes three days in a row with a 787 breakdown at Boston's Logan airport. No word on which Foursquare badge that equates to [Strange] |
| 19:08.27 | kd3 | http://www.nbcnews.com/business/boeing-787-suffers-third-mishap-many-days-1B7906402 |
| 19:09.30 | Semlar | any ideas on how to put a bunch of subzones on the map without them just getting in the way |
| 19:09.36 | Motig | I'll do some more experimenting, cheers Semlar |
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| 19:16.25 | kd3 | those of you who understand organic chemistry... derek lowe's put out another "Things I won't work with" post: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2013/01/09/things_i_wont_work_with_azidoazide_azides_more_or_less.php |
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| 19:23.55 | Semlar | the in-game path to a file you include with your addon is Interface/Addons/AddonName/file right |
| 19:25.50 | Motig | I've had trouble with that when trying to use custom graphics, Interface\\AddOns\\AddonName\\file worked for me |
| 19:26.06 | Semlar | i can't figure out why this isn't loading my font |
| 19:27.04 | Semlar | i know you have to restart the client |
| 19:27.29 | kd3 | check logs/FrameXML.log. if you're pointing to a file that the client can't find, it should say so there |
| 19:29.06 | Semlar | it doesn't have to be loaded through xml or anything does it |
| 19:30.11 | Semlar | well, it works now |
| 19:30.16 | Semlar | i'm going to assume magic |
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| 19:31.33 | Semlar | actually i figured out what the problem was |
| 19:31.45 | Semlar | forward slashes appear to NOT be valid in a font path |
| 19:32.03 | Semlar | i had to change them to backslashes |
| 19:32.11 | Semlar | foward slashes have worked for every other path i have ever used |
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| 19:44.38 | smcn | how many people counts as a guild group for scenarios? |
| 19:44.49 | Semlar | 3? |
| 19:44.57 | nevcairiel | my guess would've been 2 |
| 19:45.03 | nevcairiel | but may be 3 |
| 19:45.06 | Semlar | probably majority |
| 19:45.11 | nevcairiel | which is 2 |
| 19:45.15 | smcn | yeah hoping it'd be 2 since 5-man is already 3 for a guild group |
| 19:48.12 | Unkle1 | All three for a scenario. |
| 19:49.17 | Neffi | Isn't it wonderful when you drycode something completely new, start it up and get no error, but nothing shows up or functions? |
| 19:51.02 | nevcairiel | "oh i forgot to load the new file" .. "oh now it blows up" |
| 19:51.40 | Neffi | it was actually "oh yeah I have to return the table once I populate it" |
| 19:51.47 | Neffi | now at least I get an error |
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| 20:16.30 | Unkle1 | https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/289102842176876547 |
| 20:17.17 | Neffi | Yeah, somebody mentioned they were changing UIDropDownMenu to be addon-friendly |
| 20:17.28 | Neffi | 7 years later >_> |
| 20:17.40 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_5.2.0/API_changes |
| 20:17.44 | Unkle1 | 6, really. |
| 20:18.10 | foxlit | bs on that year figure, really |
| 20:18.40 | durcyn | UseVoidItemForTransmogrify, hrm. |
| 20:18.43 | foxlit | there've been plenty of changes to make it more addon friendly through the patch history |
| 20:21.25 | foxlit | Personally, I'm waiting for the next PTR build. |
| 20:30.02 | foxlit | I should start a blog. Any suggestions on software to use / not use? |
| 20:30.17 | Neffi | Windows |
| 20:30.21 | durcyn | movable type or wordpress if you're self-hosting |
| 20:31.25 | xyphoid | github pages |
| 20:31.28 | xyphoid | is quite cool |
| 20:32.03 | kd3 | you mean you don't want to extend mediawiki into a blog platform? |
| 20:32.35 | foxlit | hosted platforms are also okay. I'm slightly concerned about self-hosting anything sufficiently large -- updating software is a pain. |
| 20:33.02 | durcyn | WP at least self-updates elegantly if it has write access to itself |
| 20:33.07 | kd3 | wordpress is self-contained as far as updates are concerned - as long as it can write to itself |
| 20:33.12 | xyphoid | but yuck to giving wordpress write access to itself |
| 20:33.29 | durcyn | iirc it also has an FTP (snrk) fallback |
| 20:33.40 | xyphoid | i have a script to allow maintenance, and cron to turn that off again in case i forget |
| 20:36.57 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: jekyll |
| 20:39.23 | foxlit | kd3: a bit too large for the purpose :) |
| 20:41.23 | kd3 | lol |
| 20:45.03 | foxlit | I wouldn't mind wikitext markup. Someone should extend that with reasonable syntax highlighting. |
| 20:45.17 | p3lim | Apparently I won a wowhead contest |
| 20:45.23 | p3lim | Without knowing or getting any notification :S |
| 20:45.26 | foxlit | markdown is probably as good. |
| 20:46.59 | durcyn | Jekyll then. |
| 20:53.42 | Arrowmaster | consulting firm has called me 4 times today about this job opening, i think they really want me to get the job |
| 20:53.57 | Lopeppeppy | wow. Do *you* want this job though? |
| 20:54.15 | Arrowmaster | yes, its a full time position |
| 20:56.16 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 20:58.20 | Arrowmaster | its only from end of january till april but its a monday through friday job instead of the occasional weekend ones (which havent happened since august...) |
| 20:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | A few months is at least a start, better than nothing I guess. |
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| 21:02.31 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: bravo http://i.imgur.com/4etBY.png |
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| 21:36.14 | Neffi | Anyone else find it infuriating that you have to manually unsubscribe to emails from just about anything? |
| 21:36.26 | Neffi | It's not ok to spam me *by default*. Fucking webmasters. |
| 21:36.33 | VIad | :P |
| 21:36.45 | VIad | I like it when google asks "do you wish to unsub?" when I click spam |
| 21:38.25 | VIad | "Defense of the Alehouse" lol? |
| 21:38.40 | VIad | I guess so people can say "dota" in wow :P |
| 21:40.38 | VIad | blues pulled off the "we're okay with players changing the UI. We just want to protect against too much automation" card several times :P |
| 21:40.54 | VIad | it's not like making the glyph UI better will result in automation either hehe |
| 21:41.12 | VIad | they can make secure templates to allow us to mod it, without making us able to automate anything :P |
| 21:44.21 | amro | my favorite part is the tweet before where he almost realizes what's wrong with wow before veering off |
| 21:44.22 | Unkle1 | There are already people asking for button-push talent and glyph changes so they can swap for every boss fight. |
| 21:47.56 | VIad | I guess you can have the UI designed so you gotta push a lot of keys and click a lot of times, to make it feel like a lot of work to do stuff like swapping a glyph with another :P |
| 21:48.14 | VIad | just not sure if it's the right way to fix the issue that people feel they MUST swap their entire glyph set :P |
| 21:48.26 | VIad | sounds odd to me really, is swapping glyphs really that big of a pro? |
| 21:49.06 | amro | you should take over for GC Vla |
| 21:50.16 | VIad | :P |
| 21:50.41 | VIad | it's easier when you make something from scratch than it is to join in on something already going on tough |
| 21:50.47 | VIad | but sure |
| 21:50.59 | amro | at least you're trying |
| 21:51.29 | VIad | but seriously if people wanna swap glyphs all the time, how is this a bad thing? |
| 21:51.41 | VIad | I mean, you have it coming when people can swap their stuff everywhere in the world :P |
| 21:51.54 | VIad | if I wanna swap my talents each mob I kill while I level, it's kind of my personal decision hehe |
| 21:52.17 | VIad | just not seeing it as a problem, that this is a good enough reason not to let us redesign the talent, glyph, honor frames and so forth |
| 21:52.19 | nevcairiel | the problem is if you can, you may feel compelled to do so |
| 21:52.34 | nevcairiel | and thats something they dont want |
| 21:52.52 | amro | the problem is that you feel th eneed to do so in the first place, because the talent system sucks |
| 21:53.05 | VIad | how about, if you swap a glyph you have 5 min CD until you can swap again :P |
| 21:53.29 | VIad | unless you are somewhere friendly like the inn or city where it's instant and no cds :P |
| 21:53.31 | amro | Vlad: I think you should be able to swap anytime ever, but you wouldn't want to because your spec is fun and viable |
| 21:53.42 | VIad | I mean swap talents yes but glyphs? |
| 21:53.51 | VIad | I often swap maybe 1 glyph sometimes in a dungeon |
| 21:53.55 | amro | instead of min maxing getting to the point where you'd switch from pull to pull |
| 21:53.56 | VIad | but not all the glyphs :P |
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| 21:55.25 | nevcairiel | you can never get every combination of glyphs and talents to the same level of usefullness exactly |
| 21:55.38 | nevcairiel | they maybe close, but to the min/maxers, every half percent is important enough :p |
| 21:57.06 | amro | that's not my point. my point is tht you should feel okay getting a fun talent even if it means you're going to be less efficient, because the talent is fun |
| 21:57.24 | amro | but there's no fun in the spells, so you just get whatever you need to get dem shinies and dopamine hit |
| 21:57.34 | nevcairiel | feeling has nothing to do with how peer pressure works |
| 21:57.54 | nevcairiel | saying "my spec is fun" is no good |
| 21:58.01 | amro | yes, currently |
| 21:58.03 | Kaylin | my spec is fearsome. |
| 21:58.05 | nevcairiel | i mean, it can be fun for you |
| 21:58.06 | amro | because that's just bullshit |
| 21:58.08 | Unkle1 | Which is mostly how I feel about most of my talent choices. "I really like X, and I'm having fun, so quit screaming that I should swap to Y for some minor improvement." |
| 21:58.08 | nevcairiel | thats not the point |
| 21:58.18 | nevcairiel | but people will say "with that other spec, you can do 1% more damage" |
| 21:58.41 | Kaylin | na, bc I get bored of other specs and afk. |
| 21:58.47 | Kaylin | I do more dps when I pay attn. |
| 21:59.15 | Unkle1 | Most people play better when they pay attention. |
| 21:59.25 | VIad | why is a cooldown on glyph swapping a issue when you are not in resting areas btw? :P |
| 21:59.33 | amro | nevcairiel: that's because most people don't find the gameplay to be all that fun. there are far more competitive games than wow where people handicap themseles just to have more fun, even with MONEY on the line |
| 21:59.49 | VIad | at least it's better than not being able to swap at all unless you are at your trainer, like it was before :P |
| 21:59.59 | nevcairiel | although with all these active talents since 5.0 and only rarely a passive improvement, switching talents on the fly is rather useless, because they work quite differently |
| 22:00.05 | nevcairiel | its much less of an issue since 5.0 |
| 22:04.11 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/4etBY.png |
| 22:04.15 | VIad | why isn't there a balanced matchmaking queue for those that want fair BG games btw? :P |
| 22:04.39 | kd3 | do you want 3-hour queues? |
| 22:04.45 | durcyn | i want to strangle you in your sleep VIad |
| 22:04.54 | VIad | i.e. when there are enough players, it would allow you to queue in the queue where you'd be balanced with the enemy team |
| 22:05.05 | VIad | if not enough players, same old, |
| 22:05.13 | Unkle1 | define "fair" and "balanced" in programming language. |
| 22:05.36 | VIad | +-2 of the roles |
| 22:05.45 | VIad | if enemy team has 4 healers, you would at least need to have 2 on your team |
| 22:06.30 | nevcairiel | if players just get assigned into a "normal" bg when no "fair" bg is available, how will it ever find a "fair" one if it doesnt give it time to collect some players? :p |
| 22:06.53 | Unkle1 | And what if you get a guy in one of those roles who is in leveling greens or non-pvp gear, still "fair"? |
| 22:07.10 | amro | or a guy who's half afk wanking |
| 22:07.32 | VIad | some times of the day there are many people that pvp, it would be more noticable in those hours :p |
| 22:07.34 | Unkle1 | Or just sucks at PVP. |
| 22:07.45 | nevcairiel | like me! |
| 22:07.57 | nevcairiel | i still dont know how i managed to get gladiator once, i suck in BGs big time |
| 22:08.17 | smcn | i think league of legend or some other game has hidden elo for unrated games |
| 22:08.22 | Unkle1 | I suck at PVP. I'm the guy people are yelling at to "GTFO my BG" |
| 22:08.33 | VIad | I did arena with friends when it was new, got title too :D |
| 22:08.34 | smcn | super monday night combat i know has hidden elo |
| 22:08.39 | VIad | the 2nd one from the bottom :P |
| 22:08.52 | xyphoid | i always feel so bad with a new BG when i spend the whole time exploring it |
| 22:09.04 | Arrowmaster | i only ever had fun in BGs back in classic |
| 22:09.12 | nevcairiel | oh yeah classic BGs were awesome |
| 22:09.17 | smcn | bgs are fun if you turn off chat |
| 22:09.18 | Arrowmaster | before all the PvP gear and other stuff |
| 22:09.18 | kd3 | fishing in the weeklong av? sure! |
| 22:09.22 | nevcairiel | running around in T2 armor, you were unbeatable :p |
| 22:09.36 | Arrowmaster | patch 2.0.1 was epic |
| 22:09.40 | nevcairiel | kd3: i loved those long avs |
| 22:10.01 | nevcairiel | people actually used all of avs mechanics, summoned the elementals, and whatnot |
| 22:10.33 | Arrowmaster | when they nerfed the shit out of AV but before it became a 20 minute race to the bosses, i used to solo the captain |
| 22:10.56 | Arrowmaster | i actually did it once pre nerf, was epic |
| 22:11.14 | smcn | i got suspended once for spamming everyone in AV to turn off their afk flag so i could get in :P |
| 22:11.22 | nevcairiel | i have always wondered if people actually just adjusted in attitude, or if AV was changed, that caused the race to the end |
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| 22:11.38 | Arrowmaster | AV really was changed |
| 22:11.58 | nevcairiel | it was around the time we got battlegroup wide BGs that AV behaviour changed |
| 22:12.02 | Arrowmaster | all the NPCs were so much less dangerous that it became a race |
| 22:12.06 | VIad | forgive me for trying btw :p |
| 22:12.08 | VIad | brainstorming |
| 22:12.15 | Arrowmaster | then they addded the 4 npcs in the finally room to try to counter it |
| 22:12.16 | smcn | there used to be a TON more NPCs too |
| 22:12.38 | bleeter | used to be great in Epic AV seeing the legendary weapons weilded like a mofo |
| 22:12.48 | bleeter | against the NPCs |
| 22:13.02 | Arrowmaster | i miss korrak |
| 22:13.33 | Arrowmaster | i still have one of the quests to kill korrak on my warlock |
| 22:13.48 | Arrowmaster | last time i logged in durring cata i think i still had it |
| 22:14.14 | bleeter | occasionally people still share old AV quests in AV... pretty funny when newbies start asking how to do them |
| 22:14.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah this was the 2nd kill korrak quest so you cant share it |
| 22:14.53 | Arrowmaster | i used to share the TBC event quest all the time, the one for the tabbard |
| 22:15.08 | bleeter | now we have flying mounts, I wonder how old Epic AV would go if we could fly in there (as they had those flying NPCs that could be summonsed etc) |
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| 22:16.20 | bleeter | hmm so someone seems to have broken every realm I have a developed toon on :( |
| 22:17.17 | Semlar | was it you? |
| 22:17.57 | bleeter | nah, I was in a shitty LFR which I quit and now in retrospect I should've taken the 10th rez... |
| 22:18.22 | sullix_ | Can someone please tell me how I can create a timer in Lua, or something similar. I'm trying to update a debuff meter. Any ideas. I haven't written any code, since I like to think of how to build it first. I'm thinking I should call the UnitDebuff function every 1/10 of a second or something like that. but there might be something i don't know about that does something similar that's provided by the api.. |
| 22:18.43 | Semlar | you use an onupdate script to increment a variable |
| 22:18.45 | durcyn | !api OnUpdate |
| 22:18.45 | lua_bot | OnUpdate: Run each time the screen is drawn by the game engine Available for Animation, AnimationGroup, Alpha, Path, Rotation, Scale, Translation, Frame, ArchaeologyDigSiteFrame, Button, ColorSelect, Cooldown, EditBox, GameTooltip, MessageFrame, Minimap, Model, MovieFrame, Que... (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnUpdate) |
| 22:19.51 | Semlar | onupdate tells you how long has elapsed since the last time it was called so you keep adding that to the variable until it gets to however much time you wanted to track and then reset it back to 0 |
| 22:19.57 | sullix_ | well that was quick... thanks guys |
| 22:20.21 | bleeter | some day, ' |
| 22:20.40 | bleeter | some day, 'exit game' will actually exit the game without doing some random checks that fail to let the exit happen |
| 22:21.10 | bleeter | CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE is just so ugly |
| 22:21.13 | sullix_ | that's annoying as hell... terminate it... |
| 22:21.26 | durcyn | don't forget to throttle your onupdates |
| 22:21.38 | bleeter | throttles Fisker |
| 22:21.54 | kd3 | ctrl-alt-f3, log in as you, wineserver -k? |
| 22:21.58 | Semlar | he wants it called every tenth of a second, he probably doesn't need to throttle it much |
| 22:22.23 | bleeter | kd3: my method has less keystrokes :P |
| 22:22.30 | Arrowmaster | why switch to tty3? |
| 22:22.50 | bleeter | kd3: btw, did you see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam#Running_Steam_in_a_second_X_Server ? |
| 22:22.51 | kd3 | depending on the phase of the moon, fedora's xorg winds up on tty1 or 2 |
| 22:22.53 | Arrowmaster | and ctrl-alt-backspace doesnt work on most distros anymore afaik |
| 22:23.01 | kd3 | I did, yes, I'm strongly considering it |
| 22:23.14 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: that's one of the first things I change 'back'. |
| 22:23.26 | Arrowmaster | i used to do that for running touhou since its at such a small res |
| 22:23.34 | bleeter | I still don't understand why distros have disabled CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, yet init 1 doesn't require a root password |
| 22:23.59 | bleeter | apart from the distros being stupid |
| 22:24.00 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt? |
| 22:24.00 | sullix_ | can someone please give me an example of how to use OnUpdate properly? |
| 22:24.38 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: most distros don't require a root password for init 1. Some have modified inittabs/init so it does. It's certainly not 'default' behaviour last time I checked (mid-last year) |
| 22:25.49 | Semlar | sullix_: http://pastebin.com/JV99sFfF |
| 22:26.18 | bleeter | kd3: f18 yet? ;) |
| 22:26.37 | VIad | sullix_: keep in mind that it's better to have the function separate, if you plan to start/stop the onupdate timer :) |
| 22:26.42 | bleeter | ducks |
| 22:26.59 | kd3 | neg. I've got a test compose downloaded, probably going to install it tonight |
| 22:27.12 | VIad | like 'local function dostuff(self, elapsed) end' and 'f:SetScript("OnUpdate", dostuff)' |
| 22:27.20 | sullix_ | I see, Ill check out the code |
| 22:27.32 | bleeter | F18's kinda becoming a bit like DNF |
| 22:27.44 | kd3 | the whole anaconda newui fiasco is largely to blame |
| 22:28.09 | bleeter | true. had to be done, though. |
| 22:29.32 | bleeter | as in, I'd rather write m4 using a hex editor than hack on old anaconda ;) |
| 22:29.47 | Neffi | of course my realm goes offline as I'm starting up WoW to test out new addon code |
| 22:30.06 | bleeter | Neffi: there was a realm list of what may be going offline or rebooting |
| 22:30.16 | Neffi | which mine was not on |
| 22:30.20 | bleeter | Neffi: needless to say, none of my realms were listed. and they all went offline |
| 22:30.24 | bleeter | yar |
| 22:30.25 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 22:30.33 | bleeter | I figure leave it for a few hours |
| 22:30.51 | Neffi | i guess I'd rather have a stable realm for the next week, but I really wanted to test the code so I can be done with it and go out |
| 22:31.19 | bleeter | I wasn't doing much, apart from shitty LFR and arguments in /trade about how to 'ddos your opponent in Arenas' |
| 22:31.20 | kd3 | ~wowalert |
| 22:31.20 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 22:31.26 | kd3 | there was an alert screen when I logged in earlier |
| 22:31.38 | bleeter | Neffi: I was rather impressed the realms stayed up for as long as they did over christmas/new year |
| 22:31.42 | kd3 | and it's gone now. har |
| 22:33.06 | sullix_ | Got it thanks Semlar and VIad |
| 22:33.40 | Neffi | "eight-core Exynos 5" god this is getting ridiculous |
| 22:33.58 | kd3 | getting? |
| 22:34.18 | Neffi | Oh, nvm. It's 4 A15 core w/ 4 A7 companion cores |
| 22:34.19 | VIad | you stop the onupdate by setting it to nil |
| 22:34.23 | VIad | it's script ;) |
| 22:34.29 | bleeter | neat, one of my realms is up, but 'no one' is showing in /who lol |
| 22:34.41 | bleeter | sorry, 1 person is showing in /who. ME! :D |
| 22:35.04 | bleeter | can't recall Orgrimmar being so quiet... 'cept last time everything bugged out |
| 22:35.57 | bleeter | CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACES again |
| 22:36.00 | bleeter | *sigh* |
| 22:37.00 | Neffi | that's not a sane keybind |
| 22:37.41 | foxlit | Neffi: it totally is, once you realize that you have no use for a mouse. |
| 22:37.59 | bleeter | it's completely sane when 'logout' and 'exit game' don't |
| 22:38.01 | bleeter | :P |
| 22:38.17 | Neffi | I like my mouse |
| 22:38.36 | bleeter | requires moving hands off keyboard to mouse |
| 22:38.36 | Neffi | I don't agree with the keyboard-only philosophy of UI design |
| 22:38.46 | Neffi | I keep one hand on both |
| 22:38.52 | Neffi | And it's not like switching takes a while |
| 22:39.57 | bleeter | I still find it more satisfying hammering a bunch of buttons than an elegant click when software won't do what it says it should be doing :P |
| 22:40.15 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: nexus 7 has 16 cores |
| 22:40.23 | foxlit | Are action bar pages used for various overriding bars static, or are they going to change on me when I least expect it? |
| 22:40.24 | Arrowmaster | 4 cpu 16 gpu |
| 22:40.29 | Arrowmaster | 12 gpu |
| 22:40.34 | Neffi | not the same |
| 22:40.52 | Neffi | This thing has 8 CPU cores. All of which can be used at once. |
| 22:41.16 | nevcairiel | note that nvidias cuda cores are not the same metric everyone else uses to count cores =p |
| 22:41.17 | bleeter | should be very fun for AR foo |
| 22:41.37 | bleeter | nevcairiel++ |
| 22:42.02 | nevcairiel | it even changes between generations |
| 22:42.03 | bleeter | ~wowalert |
| 22:42.03 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 22:42.08 | nevcairiel | my desktop gpu has 1536 cores now |
| 22:42.24 | nevcairiel | which is essentially the same as 512 cores last gpu generation =P |
| 22:42.45 | bleeter | well seems they've noticed some realms are busteroided |
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| 22:43.07 | Neffi | "were working to investigate the cause" |
| 22:43.18 | Neffi | "we're trying to figure out who spilled coffee on the damn switch" |
| 22:43.30 | nevcairiel | foxlit: since there are getters for all these override pages, i always worked on the assumption they changed |
| 22:43.48 | nevcairiel | foxlit: i also believe i had a bug report about something not working before i used the dynamic values |
| 22:44.08 | foxlit | gah, that's annoying. I wanted immutability :( |
| 22:44.24 | nevcairiel | at least secure world now has the getters |
| 22:44.32 | nevcairiel | in 5.0, you had to get creative |
| 22:45.45 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 22:45.52 | Fisker | i hope you don't die |
| 22:45.59 | nevcairiel | but i will |
| 22:46.09 | VIad | Semlar: how's the map project going? |
| 22:46.11 | Fisker | ;( |
| 22:46.54 | Semlar | vlad you can download the little gps thing at http://semlar.com/navi.zip |
| 22:47.03 | Semlar | i don't know how useful it is |
| 22:47.14 | VIad | I saw :D |
| 22:47.19 | foxlit | nevcairiel: couldn't you steal those from whatever attribute the defaut UI sets? |
| 22:47.19 | VIad | but I meant about the big addon |
| 22:47.21 | VIad | the framework ;) |
| 22:47.24 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck? how did we get number 1???? http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45edkmj/the-10-happiest-cities-to-work-in/ |
| 22:47.30 | nevcairiel | foxlit: thats what i did |
| 22:47.33 | nevcairiel | creative! |
| 22:47.43 | Semlar | i haven't messed with the world map in a while |
| 22:48.09 | Arrowmaster | the reddit post i found this in is full of comments about dayton doing so well is because everybody inteviewed was just happy to have a job |
| 22:48.27 | VIad | I understand Semlar |
| 22:48.29 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: that page is weird, everytime i press the next arrow on the image, it scrolls a few pixels down |
| 22:48.40 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 22:49.00 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/efkk45edkmj/the-10-happiest-cities-to-work-in/ |
| 22:50.45 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Hrm? |
| 22:50.57 | VIad | what is the plural for "genesis" ? |
| 22:51.09 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: look at what city got happiest city to work in |
| 22:51.22 | Torhal | Dayton |
| 22:51.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah no fucking clue how that happened |
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| 22:51.46 | Torhal | lol |
| 22:52.06 | Arrowmaster | other than people just being really happy to have a job |
| 22:52.12 | Unkle1 | VIad: Genesis is a singular event, I don't believe it has a plural. |
| 22:52.26 | VIad | the game console |
| 22:52.27 | durcyn | Geneses, one would think. |
| 22:52.36 | Semlar | segas |
| 22:52.42 | VIad | :p |
| 22:52.47 | VIad | but sega has many consoles |
| 22:52.52 | VIad | just talking about the genesis one :P |
| 22:52.53 | Semlar | you would say genesises |
| 22:52.56 | durcyn | not anymore. |
| 22:52.57 | VIad | :P |
| 22:54.10 | VIad | btw cinemassacre was unbanned |
| 22:54.15 | Unkle1 | I would use the word "consoles" |
| 22:54.20 | VIad | JamesNintendoNerd |
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| 22:54.45 | VIad | "one genesis, two <fill in the blank>" |
| 22:54.50 | VIad | :3 |
| 22:54.52 | Semlar | it's genesises |
| 22:54.55 | VIad | it's fun |
| 22:55.03 | Semlar | if you're talking about sega consoles |
| 22:55.24 | Benalish | ViIad! :3 |
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| 23:00.23 | Benalish | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=20399 who can help me? |
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| 23:04.32 | bleeter | Semlar is correct. Just like a collection of pointing devices for computers are mouses and not mice |
| 23:05.20 | bleeter | though, tbh, I might try arguing with Semlar whether it's genesises or Genesises :P |
| 23:05.28 | Benalish | :P |
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| 23:10.19 | Unkle1 | The console has been out of circulation for so long that it didn't even occur to me that it might be the reason for the question. |
| 23:14.05 | pompy1 | TERA to become ftp in february. |
| 23:14.37 | pompy1 | also Pacific Rim got a new trailer for CES . http://nerdreactor.com/2013/01/09/pacific-rim-gets-a-new-trailer-for-ces/ |
| 23:16.00 | Unkle1 | I'm so going to see Pacific Rim. It's all the cool shit from my childhood + bad ass modern SFX + del Toro writing. It's like all the things I loved had a freaky orgy and produced a lovechild. |
| 23:16.14 | VIad | is pacific rim transformers thingy? |
| 23:17.14 | pompy1 | not related but has a mechy type thing |
| 23:17.21 | pompy1 | yeah so am i Unkle1! |
| 23:17.43 | pompy1 | Unkle1: and it has GLaDOS in it |
| 23:17.48 | Unkle1 | And space monsters. |
| 23:20.24 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/AmazonVideoGames/posts/539564149401010 |
| 23:20.46 | Kalroth | "you need to log in to view this page" |
| 23:20.58 | Kalroth | facebook is srs about tracking people |
| 23:21.18 | pompy | no Kalroth |
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| 23:21.30 | Mr_Rabies | short version Kalroth |
| 23:21.31 | pompy | amazon made that post custom.. not public lol |
| 23:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=tsm_1_fb_s_vg_mgdfvq?ie=UTF8&docId=1000728511 |
| 23:21.40 | pompy | guess you have to /like them |
| 23:21.44 | pompy | yeah |
| 23:21.47 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't like them and i can see it |
| 23:21.48 | Kalroth | oh |
| 23:21.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's just for tracking clickthroughs |
| 23:22.28 | Mr_Rabies | facebook and amazon are like BFFs when it comes to user data |
| 23:22.45 | Benalish | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=20399 who can help me? |
| 23:22.55 | Kalroth | i can't buy game downloads from amazon anyways |
| 23:23.07 | Kalroth | seems like your bits cannot cross the border |
| 23:24.46 | bleeter | hahaha http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7592400517?page=3#51 |
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| 23:30.50 | bleeter | also http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7592400517?page=11#201 |
| 23:34.53 | Amarande | oh, free to play |
| 23:34.55 | Amarande | dammit, pompy. |
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| 23:35.11 | Amarande | it took me quite a while to try to figure out "why is this site switching to FTP? people haven't really used FTP in years" |
| 23:37.16 | Amarande | the fun of overloaded acronyms. :) |
| 23:37.28 | bleeter | for those who've not seen the pics, this was ~80kms away from me last friday http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jan/09/wildfires-australia-pictures |
| 23:37.56 | bleeter | some of the most dramatic photos I've seen in the past 12 months |
| 23:37.57 | kd3 | ugh |
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| 23:39.26 | pompy | bleeter: is it still raging? |
| 23:40.28 | bleeter | pompy: yar http://fire.tas.gov.au/Show?pageId=incidentItem&h=false&viewIncidentUpdateID=84600431005186 |
| 23:40.37 | pompy | :\ |
| 23:40.44 | bleeter | pompy: the temperature's dropped but the wind... the wind... |
| 23:42.19 | bleeter | so we're still getting mini-tornadoes of fire down that way |
| 23:43.22 | pompy | This happened in 2007 here :\ .. "In May 2007, flares dropped from an F-16 belonging to the 177th Fighter Wing set off a large wildfire that consumed more than 18,000 acres (73 km²) of the Pinelands and forced the evacuation of hundreds of residents." |
| 23:44.18 | kd3 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/4456986/data/heatwave-forecast-to-continue-all-week-data.gif |
| 23:44.21 | kd3 | eesh |
| 23:45.21 | pompy | bleeter: ahh finally found an article that was still up on a news site. http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/05/flare_from_fighter_jet_blamed.html |
| 23:45.36 | bleeter | the national weather office have changed their temperature scales. they've added 50-52 and 52-54 celcius bands to regular forecast maps |
| 23:45.39 | Neffi | kd3: It feels like early autumn here in NY right now =( |
| 23:45.42 | Neffi | supposed to be winter |
| 23:45.56 | bleeter | apparently they had a few days of modelling weather that kept breaking stuff until they put those bands in |
| 23:46.12 | kd3 | neffi; I know - it's 61f out here atm |
| 23:46.44 | kd3 | bleeter; yeah, that was all over the news yesterday |
| 23:46.46 | Amarande | Global warming is wonderful in the winter. Then summer comes. :| |
| 23:46.52 | Neffi | I wonder how far we are from a widespread "year without a winter" |
| 23:47.12 | kd3 | chicago just broke a record of x-many days without snow |
| 23:47.16 | kd3 | something like 320 |
| 23:47.23 | Neffi | Nah, all that extra energy in the system makes both extremes more harsh |
| 23:47.25 | Amarande | actually, winter's days are numbered permanently, although it's far beyond our lifetimes |
| 23:47.36 | Neffi | we'll also be seeing winters with record lows soon |
| 23:47.52 | Amarande | the Sun is getting brighter. in fact, life on Earth is actually in its later stages because of this. |
| 23:48.13 | Neffi | Not from what I've heard |
| 23:48.27 | Amarande | within 500 million years, due to solar luminosity increases, life will be back to single-celled forms only as the planet will be too hot to support anything more |
| 23:48.34 | Neffi | If you're referring to the myth circling news networks that the sun's output is increasing and that's why the globe is warming; it's false |
| 23:48.41 | Amarande | within 1-2 billion years, even prokaryotes will perish |
| 23:48.51 | Neffi | source on this? |
| 23:48.52 | Amarande | by the time the Sun becomes a red giant, Earth will have been barren for 3-5 billion years |
| 23:49.05 | Neffi | 500 million years seems too soon |
| 23:50.01 | Amarande | "As non-fusing helium ash accumulates in the core of a main-sequence star, the reduction in the abundance of hydrogen per unit mass results in a gradual lowering of the fusion rate within that mass. To compensate, the core temperature and pressure slowly increase, which causes a net increase in the overall fusion rate (to support the greater density of the inner star). This produces a steady increase in the luminosity and radius |
| 23:50.01 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.19 | Amarande | the fact that stellar luminosity increases steadily over time even on the main sequence is well known |
| 23:50.39 | Amarande | yeah, 500 million is a lowish estimate, from what I've read in various places |
| 23:51.02 | Amarande | however, life will have perished due to the shift of the habitable zone long before the Sun leaves said main sequence |
| 23:51.19 | bleeter | I wouldn't be too worried. I suspect within 250 years ships will be plying the spaces between nearby stars to the goldilocks planets etc |
| 23:51.23 | Neffi | I'm more concerned with our present climate situation |
| 23:51.40 | Amarande | The calculations are usually based on the fact that in the early days of the solar system, the sun is estimated by stellar modeling to have had about 70% of the luminosity it has now |
| 23:51.52 | Amarande | and, in fact, it's been pretty well established that the Earth was much colder in the distant past |
| 23:52.01 | Neffi | some models are showing alarming conditions by the end of the century *if* we meet our emissions goal. and so far we're not even scratchign the surface on it. |
| 23:52.07 | bleeter | *wouldn't be too worried long term |
| 23:52.11 | bleeter | yeah, short term's a concern. |
| 23:52.38 | bleeter | but... I'm *very* certain, although not admitted by any agency, that people have rooted in space for science |
| 23:52.49 | bleeter | *root -> enAU for 'have sex' |
| 23:52.51 | Neffi | I have heard about the theories behind that, Amarande, and it seems they are less than concrete |
| 23:53.21 | Neffi | I don't deny the sun was cooler back then, but you still have the issue of clear evidence of liquid water on early earth, when the sun "should have" been too cool to maintain it |
| 23:53.26 | bleeter | and whether the species can survive by and large comes (pun unintended) down to whether rooting in space works or not |
| 23:53.31 | Neffi | . |
| 23:53.49 | Amarande | Mind you, as for civilisation as we know it, it could end any morning without warning, without human intervention, without (with current science) any ability for humans to predict it accurately, and without anything humans could really do about it if they could. |
| 23:53.56 | bleeter | seriously, I wanna know who the first person in space was to have a wank |
| 23:54.01 | bleeter | this is serious scientific research |
| 23:54.15 | Neffi | You assume it's been done already |
| 23:54.20 | Amarande | All it would take would be one sufficiently large solar flare, and we're back to the middle of the Second Millennium or so |
| 23:54.33 | Neffi | maybe astronauts are like nuns and priests. they swear celibacy in the name of science |
| 23:54.52 | Neffi | True enough, but ti would take a lot to totally abolish humans |
| 23:54.55 | Amarande | Ever seen Goldeneye? Remember when Severnaya gets hit by the EMP? |
| 23:55.19 | Amarande | That's ... pretty much the entire USA if a solar mega flare hits at an inopportune moment. |
| 23:55.19 | bleeter | celibacy? you mean like the astronaut who wore her space nappy earth side to stalk her colleague? |
| 23:55.29 | Neffi | with our intelligence and capacity for impromptu adaptation, only a handful of us need to survive, and there's a good chance we'll repopulate at least a small region |
| 23:55.39 | bleeter | no, really. if no one's already had a wank or root in space, someone's doing space biology sciences wrong |
| 23:55.43 | Neffi | I'm aware of the dangers of solar flares |
| 23:56.24 | Neffi | I'm worried about us eventually digitizing all of human's knowledge and recycling the books, and then it happening |
| 23:56.30 | Amarande | Heh, it's interesting that it's a good thing tech took as long as it did to evolve, too, in that light |
| 23:56.40 | Amarande | If we'd evolved our technology ... about 150 years faster than we did? |
| 23:56.46 | Amarande | We wouldn't even have reached the Civil War. |
| 23:57.27 | Neffi | Id we didn't experience the dark ages at all, perhaps we would have progressed fast enough to learn to protect our tech from it |
| 23:58.06 | Amarande | Lincoln wouldn't even have been elected, as late in the Buchanan administration, the Sun would have unleashed Armageddon upon the whole of our infrastructure. |
| 23:58.59 | Amarande | heh, unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure that dark ages are at all illogical, and may even be the evolutionarily likely path whenever civilisation collapses |
| 23:59.23 | Amarande | consider this. geek types are kind of at a disadvantage when civilisation falls apart |
| 23:59.48 | Amarande | your typical worker who's been following a life of "do your basic hard work & survive" knows what to do, he's probably going to do much the same now (maybe with some more farming than before, heh). |
