| 00:00.23 | bleeter | Semlar: From that, I got the impression that XP lock was more important for matchmaking than ilevel matching |
| 00:12.15 | VIad | I didn't queue xp locked, but he apparently did something to end up in the normal bg :P |
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| 01:36.21 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7593619800 |
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| 01:39.11 | Coote | Idiot factor: too high to measure. |
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| 01:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | oh god that thread |
| 01:57.28 | Mr_Rabies | if this were a real conversation i'd have probably run in arms flailing |
| 01:59.37 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar needs to read that so he can rage |
| 02:03.22 | kd3 | I... |
| 02:03.24 | kd3 | wow |
| 02:03.25 | kd3 | wtf |
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| 02:07.58 | Dagmar | That is just garden-variety stupid. You know it gets way worse than that. |
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| 02:23.41 | Thunder_Child | But is it stupid or troll? |
| 02:50.59 | Coote | oh gawd |
| 02:51.17 | Coote | my mother just called and asked me "what channel is netflix on?". -_-' |
| 02:54.15 | Thunder_Child | be super geeky and tell her it is on channel 695323617 |
| 02:56.42 | Coote | I dun get it |
| 02:57.16 | Coote | I should have told her it was 4815162342. She might have gotten it, though. |
| 02:57.37 | Thunder_Child | the number i said is the IP of netflix.com |
| 02:57.44 | Coote | ahh |
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| 04:03.48 | kd3 | there's stupidity, then there's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7747qHsAek8 |
| 04:04.29 | Coote | New York? And here I was thinking it must have been Russia. |
| 04:09.28 | kd3 | though I think this way is the real american way to knock down a silo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTN36_ea6Q |
| 04:13.20 | Coote | That's not American. |
| 04:13.38 | Coote | It lacks machine guns, and a bbq pit. |
| 04:13.53 | kd3 | maybe the bbq pit was off camera or something |
| 04:14.28 | Coote | That would be completely un-American, though. They should be shooting FROM the BBQ. |
| 04:15.04 | Coote | With country music, and a can of piss-bear in one hand with the rifle in the other. |
| 04:15.10 | Coote | *beer |
| 04:17.19 | Mr_Rabies | the all-american piss-bear |
| 04:17.28 | Mr_Rabies | scourge of the wilderness |
| 04:17.57 | Coote | oh great, you made my laugh mid-sip, and now I have tea all over the place. |
| 04:18.34 | Thunder_Child | ~Mr_Rabies++ |
| 04:28.41 | Semlar | mikma: http://i.imgur.com/MFKRr.jpg |
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| 04:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm eating ice cream with a plastic fork |
| 04:31.06 | Mr_Rabies | this is like high school all over again |
| 04:31.45 | kd3 | you've gotta go fast enough to eat the ice cream before it melts, but not too fast that you bend/break the fork by using too much force |
| 04:36.28 | karl_w_w | jesus the valentines gifts advertising has started already |
| 04:44.28 | Mr_Rabies | i saw easter candy at the store like 2 days before christmas |
| 04:49.46 | pompy1 | woo CES week |
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| 04:53.12 | Coote | I hear Samsung and LG have some smexy new screens they're going to be showing off. |
| 04:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | maybe someone will show off an htpc alternative that meets all my needs |
| 04:53.32 | Coote | I'd kill for the new 29" anamorphic widescreen LG is planning to demo. |
| 04:53.37 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, if they'd just put a decent media player on the xbox 360 i'd be set :| |
| 04:54.11 | Coote | 360, like the PS3, both have a good media player. It's called streaming the good stuff from your PC. =P |
| 04:54.37 | A-KO | god Movie 43 looks funny |
| 04:54.43 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but almost all the DLNA stuff fails when it comes to changing language/subtitle tracks, etc |
| 04:55.08 | Coote | Never knew that, but it sucks to find out. :( |
| 04:55.34 | Coote | I've been wanting to stream some animu, but never got around to it, too much other stuff to watch first. |
| 04:55.35 | Mr_Rabies | Universal media server has the best option so far, but you've got to go into like 2 menus per file and find the right option |
| 04:56.07 | Mr_Rabies | because unfortunately many subgroups fail to tag their language/sub tracks in a way that it can tell what language it is |
| 04:56.26 | Mr_Rabies | i could go into mkvmerge and edit it or something but that's a total pain |
| 04:56.33 | Arrowmaster | most groups tag them properly in mkvs |
| 04:56.44 | Coote | is there no way to set a default sub track if only 1 is included? |
| 04:56.55 | Arrowmaster | but then you get groups like E-D that are fuck wits and purposely tag them backwards |
| 04:56.57 | Mr_Rabies | most groups, but terrible ones that are basically just dvd rippers like exiled-destiny don't, Arrowmaster :( |
| 04:57.06 | Mr_Rabies | not in UMS, coote |
| 04:57.07 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VneW1vtcWY < roflcopter |
| 04:57.32 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: yeah i stay away from E-D and never download anything of theirs |
| 04:57.36 | Coote | That's pretty stupid. It should be common sense to allow for a default sub track if only one is included. |
| 04:57.59 | Mr_Rabies | you can set a track as the default, but most DLNA streaming programs seem to ignore it for whatever reason |
| 04:58.08 | Arrowmaster | Coote: mkv lets you tag the language for audio and sub tracks and select which ones are default |
| 04:58.19 | Mr_Rabies | it's part of the mkv standard to be able to set one as the default |
| 04:58.25 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 04:58.51 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately some shows i want are out of print and only available as E-D subs :( |
| 04:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | like Dai Guard and Godannar :( |
| 04:59.03 | Coote | Yeah, I know that about MKV, but I was talking about with a streamer, like UMS. |
| 04:59.18 | Mr_Rabies | you can set a default, but it has to be tagged properly |
| 04:59.25 | Mr_Rabies | and even then it's kinda sketchy |
| 04:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | depending on what kind of video it is, etc |
| 04:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | some groups shove xvid/divx into mkvs and it handles those a little differently it seems |
| 05:00.21 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt |
| 05:00.23 | Coote | Almost makes me want hardcoded avi subs back |
| 05:00.24 | Mr_Rabies | also, can't reliably rewind/pause/fast forward over DLNA |
| 05:00.25 | Coote | NOT |
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| 05:00.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's a lot clunkier than just natively playing the files |
| 05:01.07 | Mr_Rabies | both the ps3 and the 360 have enough hardware to handle whatever you throw at it, but neither can play them without conversion to .mp4 or something |
| 05:01.13 | Coote | Well, guess it's good to find this out now, instead of getting pissed at going through extra bullshit sometime trying to stream anime. |
| 05:01.53 | karl_w_w | you don't need to convert Mr_Rabies, just remux |
| 05:02.10 | Mr_Rabies | how easy is it to remux mkv->mp4? |
| 05:02.12 | karl_w_w | then shout at the ripper for using mkv |
| 05:02.20 | karl_w_w | pretty easy |
| 05:02.22 | Mr_Rabies | everyone uses mkv with anime |
| 05:02.24 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 05:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | everyone |
| 05:02.27 | Arrowmaster | unless you have softsubs |
| 05:02.38 | karl_w_w | once you find a method that works for you |
| 05:02.48 | Arrowmaster | then you will have to reencode to hardsubs when converting from mkv to mp4 |
| 05:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | except the few groups that release to divx/xvid still for some reason |
| 05:02.55 | karl_w_w | soft subs in mp4 can work on ps3 |
| 05:03.01 | Mr_Rabies | ah, mp4 doesn't support softsubs? |
| 05:03.11 | karl_w_w | but its complicated and ive never bothered to work it out |
| 05:03.12 | Arrowmaster | mp4 supports softsubs but not a sane standard |
| 05:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | see, i love my wdtv, but everything's 10-bit video now :( |
| 05:03.39 | Mr_Rabies | and it doesn't like that |
| 05:03.45 | Mr_Rabies | it turns into a green haloed nightmare |
| 05:03.56 | Mr_Rabies | or simply refuses to play |
| 05:04.00 | Arrowmaster | you can probably get SRT subs to work remuxed into mp4 but i wouldnt mess with ASS subs |
| 05:04.25 | karl_w_w | dat ASS |
| 05:04.33 | Mr_Rabies | if i had a good way to tell which files were 10-bit and which weren't i'd be set |
| 05:04.46 | Coote | I love me some Hi10P. So much smoother. |
| 05:04.56 | Arrowmaster | and ps3/xbox still probably wont play 10bit even in mp4 |
| 05:04.58 | Mr_Rabies | i could just batch convert and deal with the increased filesize/banding |
| 05:05.08 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 05:05.12 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: mediainfo |
| 05:05.15 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 05:05.23 | Mr_Rabies | can it tell the difference without demuxing first? |
| 05:05.34 | Arrowmaster | http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en |
| 05:05.38 | Wobin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_iSzgi2VhDw |
| 05:05.43 | Arrowmaster | should be a cmdline version |
| 05:05.57 | karl_w_w | mediainfo is god's answer to working out what is in media file |
| 05:06.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm okay with the gui :p |
| 05:06.23 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: the hula hoop one is better |
| 05:06.33 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly use mkvextract when something breaks, and it tells me what's up |
| 05:06.57 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: well with the cmdline version you could script it |
| 05:07.12 | Mr_Rabies | i've had to do a little AC3/AAC conversion from time to time to fix a few wdtv related bugs |
| 05:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | a couple firmware releases refused to play one or the other if it was 5.1 |
| 05:07.28 | Mr_Rabies | that's fixed now, thankfully |
| 05:07.44 | Arrowmaster | at least you dont have to deal with 7.1 flac |
| 05:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | sucked to be halfway through a series and then have to convert the audio because the subgroup decided to change format mid-season |
| 05:08.06 | Arrowmaster | who does that? |
| 05:08.29 | karl_w_w | crazy people |
| 05:08.36 | Mr_Rabies | encodergasm did it once, i forget the reason |
| 05:08.41 | karl_w_w | you have to wonder who they are encoding for |
| 05:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | he explained it once but i can't remember |
| 05:09.06 | Arrowmaster | was it dvd rips? |
| 05:09.12 | karl_w_w | they must have someone in mind when they encode these things |
| 05:09.15 | Mr_Rabies | i believe so |
| 05:09.32 | karl_w_w | but who they have in mind that can conveniently play all these things I will never know |
| 05:09.50 | Arrowmaster | only acceptable reason for using AC3/DTS is if its the original untouched audio |
| 05:09.54 | Mr_Rabies | people who watch tv shows on their computer |
| 05:10.11 | Mr_Rabies | i certainly can't |
| 05:10.28 | Arrowmaster | i do |
| 05:10.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really interested to see what kind of interesting stuff people can get the xbox 360's version of IE to do |
| 05:10.33 | karl_w_w | why would people want to |
| 05:10.53 | bluipodcow | For the lolz |
| 05:10.56 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if it's possible to get an html5 video player that'll play network files to run on it |
| 05:11.16 | Arrowmaster | that still wont get you 10bit |
| 05:11.25 | Mr_Rabies | it seems like it probably doesn't allow access to the gpu in any way :( |
| 05:11.31 | Arrowmaster | and i wouldnt be supprised if it doesnt support media playback |
| 05:12.14 | Arrowmaster | i could probably convert my ps3 to an awesome media player |
| 05:12.29 | Mr_Rabies | one of my E-D-released shows seems to have...interlaced vobsubs or something |
| 05:12.48 | Arrowmaster | fuck that shit |
| 05:13.00 | Arrowmaster | i dont touch anything with vobsubs |
| 05:13.15 | Mr_Rabies | i was trying to convert them to .ass |
| 05:13.31 | Arrowmaster | just run them through OCR and convert to SRT |
| 05:13.37 | Mr_Rabies | it wouldn't OCR them |
| 05:13.42 | Arrowmaster | they make apps to do it |
| 05:13.44 | Mr_Rabies | lemme show you what they looked like |
| 05:14.03 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i was running one... i forget the title now |
| 05:14.54 | Arrowmaster | im trying to remember what show i was watching where everything after apostrophes was cut off |
| 05:15.08 | Arrowmaster | like "can't" was "can'" |
| 05:15.36 | Semlar | can'DROPTABLE |
| 05:15.50 | Arrowmaster | the strange thing was that i was reading everything correctly and didnt even notice it for a while |
| 05:15.59 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/oinJH.png |
| 05:16.03 | Mr_Rabies | the OCR program was like |
| 05:16.04 | Mr_Rabies | WHAT |
| 05:16.28 | Arrowmaster | i think thats just a bad rip |
| 05:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | i finally did get them OCRed with another program that was released after my initial attempt |
| 05:21.47 | Arrowmaster | oh i think it might have been utena that had the missing characters after apostrophes |
| 05:23.05 | Mr_Rabies | encodergasm's not a subgroup, they mostly try to clean up encodes and use other subs |
| 05:23.27 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes they have OCR issues when doing multiple releases because they forget to change the settings to ocr another font or something |
| 05:23.46 | Mr_Rabies | there's a mobile suit in zeta gundam called "The O" and it got OCR'ed into "The C" |
| 05:25.11 | mikma | semöar: hot |
| 05:25.37 | mikma | semlar: that was for you |
| 05:26.01 | Semlar | Ü |
| 05:26.28 | Mr_Rabies | i can't tell you how many shows i watched in the early 2000s with L..lmpossible! in the subs |
| 05:26.50 | karl_w_w | why not? |
| 05:26.59 | Mr_Rabies | because we don't have numbers that go that high |
| 05:27.08 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 05:27.21 | Mr_Rabies | also it's a secret to everyone |
| 05:28.17 | Mr_Rabies | i should probably see if a better version of this exists yet: http://i.imgur.com/KgblS.png |
| 05:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | i had that downloaded from forever ago, but it was still the best version available, possibly until recently |
| 05:28.53 | Arrowmaster | thats terrible |
| 05:28.57 | Mr_Rabies | turns out the guys that did those subs started anime weekend atlanta, which i've been going to for years |
| 05:28.57 | Arrowmaster | check anidb |
| 05:29.05 | Mr_Rabies | they did them in the 90s to VHS |
| 05:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 05:31.21 | karl_w_w | vee haitch ess? |
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| 05:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | hahaha |
| 05:33.20 | Mr_Rabies | the best version out still uses their subs |
| 05:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | yessss |
| 05:33.55 | Mr_Rabies | 20+ year old subs will never die |
| 05:43.00 | bleeter | gah where's tekkub when I wanna give him shit |
| 05:43.16 | karl_w_w | wow man |
| 05:43.26 | karl_w_w | don't you have any respect for the dead? |
| 05:43.54 | karl_w_w | instills moment of panic |
| 05:44.07 | bleeter | karl_w_w: tekkub died in the past 55 minutes? |
| 05:44.26 | karl_w_w | sure let's go with that |
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| 05:45.48 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 06:02.34 | Ackis | does hearthing do the same thing as a reload UI? (assuming yes, never tested/asked) |
| 06:03.35 | Semlar | i would assume it's just a normal zone |
| 06:03.46 | Semlar | why would it reload your interface |
| 06:04.35 | Ackis | loading screen/bar |
| 06:06.17 | Semlar | my guess is that hearthing makes you change instances even if you're already in the same one |
| 06:06.43 | pompy1 | Ackis: http://www.wowhead.com/item=90953#comments:id=1717329:reply=605685 |
| 06:06.44 | Semlar | i mean you don't lose the contents of your chat or anything |
| 06:07.05 | Semlar | which you would if it reloaded |
| 06:07.23 | Mr_Rabies | also, any kind of teleport past a certain distance always invokes a loading screen |
| 06:07.30 | Mr_Rabies | but hearths seem to do them regardless |
| 06:07.47 | Ackis | pompy1: read the entire comment chain |
| 06:07.55 | Ackis | everyone is speculating |
| 06:08.38 | pompy1 | Ackis: he said cory stockton tweeted about it. |
| 06:11.14 | karl_w_w | no it doesnt Ackis |
| 06:11.23 | karl_w_w | because it doesnt clear taint |
| 06:12.28 | Mr_Rabies | seems like hearthing's just a teleport to the location you set |
| 06:13.43 | Mr_Rabies | whereas instance portals are teleports to specific locations within instanced dungeons, hearths are teleports to specific locations on the continent maps |
| 06:14.09 | Arrowmaster | hearthing is also to the exact location you where in when you set your hearth |
| 06:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | yup |
| 06:14.24 | Mr_Rabies | seems to be exact orientation too |
| 06:14.39 | Arrowmaster | people used to kite inn keepers around to set their hearths to weird locations back in classic |
| 06:14.47 | Mr_Rabies | turn around and face the doorway when you set your hearth point :p |
| 06:14.49 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 06:15.03 | Mr_Rabies | one of the two innkeepers in Dal paths |
| 06:15.06 | karl_w_w | how do you kite a friendly mob? |
| 06:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | in the legerdemain lounge |
| 06:15.24 | Mr_Rabies | you can set your hearth to anywhere on her path |
| 06:15.34 | karl_w_w | the inkeeper closest to minfernal spawns paths as well :P |
| 06:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | oh good they fixed it |
| 06:16.19 | Mr_Rabies | the legerdemain lounge used to be Ledgerdemain Lounge upstairs |
| 06:16.28 | Mr_Rabies | and Legerdemain Lounge downstairs |
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| 06:36.08 | Adys | Semlar: I'll try and implement searching when I get home, it's the real solution |
| 06:36.24 | Semlar | okay |
| 06:36.24 | Adys | but first i need to think about how to do this in the wrapper |
| 06:36.57 | Adys | I really dislike storm doesnt let you just get a list of files but eh |
| 06:37.01 | Adys | hm |
| 06:37.59 | Adys | i suppose once the find functions are bound i dont really have to worry about it |
| 06:39.07 | Adys | Semlar: i wonder what the difference is between SFileFindFirstFile and SListFileFindFirstFile |
| 06:39.24 | Adys | Im guessing the former does a hard lookup |
| 06:39.26 | Semlar | i'm assuming SFile actually searches for the first file |
| 06:39.31 | Adys | yea |
| 06:39.39 | Adys | well, checks if it exists |
| 06:40.28 | Adys | ah |
| 06:40.30 | Adys | Note that unlike SFileFindFirstFile, this function does not check if the file exists within the archive and doesn't call SFileAddListFile. |
| 06:40.35 | Semlar | when i modified this to merge the lists i just had it make sure every path it was adding actually existed in one of the mpqs |
| 06:41.02 | Semlar | the built in functions are probably a lot faster |
| 06:41.31 | Adys | well |
| 06:42.15 | Adys | Semlar: if you bind the find functions you can hack up a python api for it |
| 06:42.30 | Semlar | yeah i just didn't want to deal with that |
| 06:43.20 | Adys | its easy tbh |
| 06:43.39 | Adys | ah yeah |
| 06:43.45 | Adys | ill probably just stuff a loop in _regenerate_listfile |
| 06:45.16 | Adys | this shouldnt be too hard |
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| 07:12.21 | Adys | Semlar: i might do this on the plane |
| 07:12.56 | Semlar | ^_^ |
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| 07:51.01 | Adys | Semlar: which mpqs do you test with? |
| 07:51.03 | Adys | small ones please |
| 07:51.59 | Semlar | well you could pull the dbc files out of enUS/locale-enUS.mpq |
| 07:52.10 | Semlar | that shouldn't be too big |
| 07:53.17 | Semlar | i guess it's about 450mb |
| 07:54.23 | bluipodcow | Or one of the tool updates ones lol |
| 07:54.54 | Semlar | well, he needs to be able to see that they've been patched |
| 07:55.21 | Semlar | so it'll have to be something that changes |
| 07:56.08 | Semlar | unless he doesn't, in which case i guess it doesn't matter which one he uses |
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| 08:14.27 | Adys | meh |
| 08:14.31 | Adys | ill just bind this shit |
| 08:14.35 | Adys | and see if it works then |
| 08:14.40 | Adys | i just have a small mpq to test with |
| 08:18.49 | bleeter | I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE! |
| 08:18.58 | bleeter | take that, karl_w_w |
| 08:19.41 | VIad | Adys working with mpq patching again? |
| 08:20.20 | Adys | yes |
| 08:20.21 | Adys | plane now |
| 08:20.23 | Adys | laters |
| 08:20.30 | VIad | ^^ |
| 08:21.41 | bluipodcow | DA PLANE BOSS!!! DA PLANE! |
| 08:22.37 | bleeter | Adys: GET TO DA CHOPPA |
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| 08:35.30 | karl_w_w | take what bleeter :o |
| 08:35.51 | karl_w_w | is steve jobs emailing you again? |
| 08:46.51 | bleeter | nah, tekkub |
| 09:05.55 | bluipodcow | Gasp! |
| 09:06.37 | bleeter | apparently Tasmania scares him :( |
| 09:13.55 | karl_w_w | understandable |
| 09:18.08 | bleeter | I was trying to tell him it's not as scary as the big island to the north and thus totally safe to visit |
| 09:18.36 | bleeter | (github are sponsoring Python Conference Australia 2013 here in Tasmania... hence I'm trying to get tekkub over for drinkings and stupidity) |
| 09:19.28 | karl_w_w | http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/hoax-anz-statement-sends-whitehaven-down-5pc/story-e6frg9df-1226548873951 derp |
| 09:19.37 | bleeter | karl_w_w: quite |
| 09:20.20 | karl_w_w | i wonder if he made a pretty penny on it |
| 09:21.16 | bleeter | well given I saw him being interviewed on TV about it and he was crapping on about ethics while using Skype and Windows.... probably too stupid to make a single cent out of it |
| 09:23.16 | karl_w_w | well the challenge would be to do it without anyone knowing |
| 09:23.36 | karl_w_w | maybe Shirik colluded with him |
| 09:24.36 | bleeter | karl_w_w: http://www.ubermotive.com/?p=68 |
| 09:27.40 | karl_w_w | rofl |
| 09:30.32 | bleeter | because switching to FB polls will totally fix it |
| 09:31.58 | karl_w_w | i love how they just kept righting stories based on the polls, even though they had already been told they were being manipulated |
| 09:32.17 | karl_w_w | that shows the journalistic quality at news limited |
| 09:32.29 | karl_w_w | writing* |
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| 10:00.38 | karl_w_w | annoying things: finding an indian restaurant that doesn't do chicken tikka |
| 10:06.45 | chiel | hm.. someone pinged me here |
| 10:06.51 | chiel | but don't have enough scrollback :< |
| 10:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | <karl_w_w> annoying things: finding an indian restaurant that doesn't do chicken tikka |
| 10:08.18 | Humbedooh | ;o |
| 10:08.47 | Mr_Rabies | isn't that like a steakhouse that doesn't serve steak? |
| 10:09.01 | Mr_Rabies | i guess unless they're vegetarian |
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| 10:10.36 | bluipodcow | Home times |
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| 10:27.44 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: they all do tikka masala, the pointless tasteless bastardization. many don't do tikka |
| 10:28.40 | cbreak | tasteless? |
| 10:28.45 | cbreak | just put ketchup on... |
| 10:28.46 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 10:28.50 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 10:29.02 | Mr_Rabies | masala shouldn't be tasteless |
| 10:29.26 | Mr_Rabies | and decent chicken tikka masala should basically be chicken tikka with the masala sauce |
| 10:30.19 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_vssdys8lk |
| 10:30.44 | karl_w_w | in comparison Mr_Rabies |
| 10:31.36 | Mr_Rabies | what are you doing matt leblanc |
| 10:32.04 | Mr_Rabies | why apply ketchup that way |
| 10:32.24 | Mr_Rabies | also in most parts of the country that have hot dog carts you'll be shunned for putting ketchup on a hot dog |
| 10:32.32 | Mr_Rabies | is that why |
| 10:32.34 | karl_w_w | maybe he was doing the roof flashing and he stopped for lunch |
| 10:32.39 | Mr_Rabies | OH NO KETCHUP FELL FROM THE SKY |
| 10:32.46 | Mr_Rabies | GUESS I BETTER NOT WASTE THIS |
| 10:33.10 | karl_w_w | shunned for putting ketchup on a hotdog? |
| 10:33.30 | Mr_Rabies | i know that's the case in chicago |
| 10:33.32 | karl_w_w | tell me these places so i can never experience their heathenness |
| 10:33.36 | Mr_Rabies | not 100% sure about new york |
| 10:34.02 | karl_w_w | i guess these crazy loons put mustard on them instead? |
| 10:34.10 | Mr_Rabies | also karl_w_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9eiRKL1Rf0 nsfw for language |
| 10:34.52 | cbreak | mayo on hot dogs? |
| 10:35.06 | Kalroth | ew |
| 10:35.10 | karl_w_w | nty! |
| 10:38.03 | karl_w_w | things to go on hotdogs: ketchup always, onions if they are at least nice and golden, bacon/cheese often, can't think of anything else worth considering |
| 10:39.31 | cbreak | onions should be raw :/ |
| 10:40.31 | Mr_Rabies | chicago dogs are pretty great |
| 10:40.52 | cbreak | and cheese? What kind of cheese would fit hot dog? |
| 10:41.14 | Mr_Rabies | yellow mustard; chopped white onions; bright green sweet pickle relish; a dill pickle spear; tomato slices or wedges; pickled sport peppers; and a dash of celery salt |
| 10:41.59 | karl_w_w | grated cheddar cbreak |
| 10:42.08 | Mr_Rabies | on a poppy seed bun |
| 10:43.07 | Mr_Rabies | now i'm gonna go see if we have any hot dogs in date |
| 10:43.18 | Mr_Rabies | THANKS KARL_W_W |
| 10:43.26 | Mr_Rabies | at freakin' 5:45 am |
| 10:45.30 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 10:47.06 | Mr_Rabies | tuna salad is the closest thing we have |
| 10:47.37 | karl_w_w | in place of the hotdog or on it? |
| 10:49.26 | Humbedooh | swedes put prawn salad on their hotdogs :( |
| 10:50.45 | Mr_Rabies | in place, karl_w_w |
| 10:50.58 | karl_w_w | not worth it |
| 10:51.14 | Mr_Rabies | i bet it would be okay on a hot dog, though |
| 10:52.07 | karl_w_w | yeah I'll have to try it some time |
| 10:52.56 | karl_w_w | i fact i have regular sausages, bread, and all the components of tuna salad in the house... |
| 11:12.59 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 11:13.15 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that you can't check out the netflix library without an active subscription of that type |
| 11:13.20 | Mr_Rabies | what a terrible business model :( |
| 11:13.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'm thinkin' bout restarting my disc service and working my way though some stuff that's not available to stream anywhere |
| 11:14.06 | Mr_Rabies | but i can't see if they actually have it or if it's one of those that's perpetually out of stock |
| 11:19.40 | cbreak | netflix is not available anyway |
| 11:20.01 | cbreak | "Watch TV shows & movies anytime, anywhere."... what a bunch of liars |
| 11:20.23 | Mr_Rabies | what does that mean, "not available anyway" :o |
| 11:21.07 | cbreak | "Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country yet.". Right under "anytime, anywhere.". |
| 11:21.45 | Kalroth | who wants netflix anyways |
| 11:21.55 | Kalroth | lots of old shows, aired late |
| 11:21.58 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 11:22.12 | Mr_Rabies | "anytime, anywhere" means like, on your phone or whatever |
| 11:22.21 | cbreak | on my phone? unlikely... :) |
| 11:22.26 | Mr_Rabies | not "we're worldwide" |
| 11:22.41 | Kalroth | cbreak still uses a nokia brick of 1999 |
| 11:23.03 | cbreak | no... a nokia brick from 2010 or so... |
| 11:23.09 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, they're working on opening in other countries but that's an expensive task |
| 11:23.29 | Mr_Rabies | right now they're limited to us, canada, and uk, i believe |
| 11:23.32 | cbreak | either way, not available here. |
| 11:23.45 | cbreak | and I can't even see what they would offer |
| 11:23.46 | Kalroth | Denmark too, Mr_Rabies |
| 11:23.54 | Kalroth | I think all of scandinavia, but not sure |
| 11:24.01 | Mr_Rabies | are there any equivalents wherever you're at, cbreak? |
| 11:24.08 | cbreak | bit torrent. |
| 11:24.09 | wereHamster | what do the americans know about geography anyway. Europe is a country. anywhere means US+Canada only, ... |
| 11:24.29 | cbreak | Apple sells streaming movies in their iTunes store |
| 11:24.53 | cbreak | but they are overpriced |
| 11:25.12 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately those prices are set by the industry :( |
| 11:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | if they had their way, we'd all be paying japanese prices |
| 11:25.39 | cbreak | 7.50 for "The Dark Knight Rises", one showing. |
| 11:25.58 | cbreak | 25.00 if you would buy it |
| 11:26.39 | Mr_Rabies | Gurren Lagann, a 27 episode, 22 minutes per episode series that was animated in 480p and is being upscaled to blu ray will be selling for.. |
| 11:27.05 | Mr_Rabies | 63,000 yen |
| 11:27.23 | cbreak | that's pricy |
| 11:27.34 | cbreak | like... very |
| 11:27.49 | Mr_Rabies | about $722 USD, or 547 Euros |
| 11:28.09 | cbreak | about a dollar per minute |
| 11:28.26 | Mr_Rabies | and that's really more or less average pricing, maybe a little high |
| 11:28.48 | cbreak | that's where the internet comes into play :) |
| 11:29.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but you can be thrown in jail for pirating in japan :x |
| 11:29.18 | cbreak | :/ |
| 11:29.39 | wereHamster | Mr_Rabies: that has never stopped people from doing it |
| 11:29.50 | cbreak | hide a router inside the fukishima evacuation zone, and no one will dare to trace it :) |
| 11:30.06 | Mr_Rabies | i think you underestimate japanese duty to career |
| 11:30.08 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 11:30.16 | cbreak | :/ |
| 11:30.20 | wereHamster | do you live in japan? |
| 11:30.27 | Mr_Rabies | dark knight rises is a bit more reasonable since it's not from a japanese company |
| 11:30.41 | Mr_Rabies | nah, i live in the states, i'm just talking hypotheticals |
| 11:31.14 | cbreak | I can't buy TTGL on iTunes anyway. |
| 11:31.47 | cbreak | but the 6 DVD collection apparently costs 60 euros on amazon |
| 11:32.00 | cbreak | sounds reasonable. |
| 11:32.51 | Mr_Rabies | TDKR in japan is about $46/35 Euro on blu-ray |
| 11:33.10 | Mr_Rabies | 3900 yen or so |
| 11:33.31 | Mr_Rabies | gurren lagann's out of print in the US so it's pretty expensive |
| 11:33.32 | cbreak | that's a bit pricey too :/ |
| 11:33.56 | Mr_Rabies | bandai entertainment america closed its doors around this time last year |
| 11:34.02 | cbreak | maybe everything is expensive in japan |
| 11:34.19 | cbreak | (apart from food I guess) |
| 11:34.33 | Mr_Rabies | everything is, but mass media stuff moreso |
| 11:34.42 | Mr_Rabies | even food is, they have to import a lot of stuff |
| 11:35.03 | Mr_Rabies | but mass media is really expensive in japan because they don't really believe in supply/demand economics |
| 11:35.10 | Mr_Rabies | especially with anime |
| 11:35.26 | Mr_Rabies | they want to make x amount of profit and know y number of people will buy it |
| 11:35.45 | Mr_Rabies | so they sell it for z amount and only print y+a few percent copies |
| 11:36.48 | cbreak | I guess that prevents them from losing sales to pirates |
| 11:36.55 | cbreak | ... they wouldn't have anything to sell anyway. |
| 11:37.13 | Mr_Rabies | zeta gundam's about $700 on blu ray for both box sets in japan, and that aired on tv in the 80s |
| 11:37.16 | Mr_Rabies | or was, when it was in print |
| 11:38.03 | Mr_Rabies | no, more like $800 |
| 11:38.13 | Mr_Rabies | and it's around 40-50 episodes, too lazy to look exactly |
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| 11:38.34 | Mr_Rabies | it's basically killing their entertainment industry |
| 11:38.47 | Mr_Rabies | it comes more and more marginal so they keep raising prices more and more |
| 11:39.13 | Mr_Rabies | eventually they're going to squeeze out 100% of their audience and either it's going to crash or have to change |
| 11:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | similar stuff's happening here but i doubt we'd ever let the pricing get that out of control |
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| 11:41.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm paying about $50-60 an episode of Gundam Unicorn, but only to feel justified in downloading all the other gundam shows (and also to complete the set) |
| 11:43.11 | cbreak | I don't buy DVDs and BluRays, because physical media is a pain in the ass |
| 11:43.22 | cbreak | and BluRays are tricky to play |
| 11:43.56 | Mr_Rabies | well, i like being legal, and you can't lend a digital purchase to someone |
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| 11:44.21 | Mr_Rabies | also downloading shows in HD takes forever on my awful internet |
| 11:44.26 | Mr_Rabies | and takes up a lot of HDD space |
| 11:44.49 | Mr_Rabies | they're also considerably more compressed most of the time |
| 11:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | Zeta Gundam's "only" about 40GB |
| 11:45.50 | cbreak | I have terrabytes of storage and 100mbit internet, so that part is fine :) |
| 11:46.08 | Mr_Rabies | i'm paying about $50 a month for 3 Mbit internet |
| 11:46.15 | cbreak | :/ |
| 11:46.24 | cbreak | well, I do pay 50% more than you |
| 11:46.32 | Mr_Rabies | and that's the fastest available here |
| 11:46.45 | cbreak | and I actually only get 27mbit down and 7mbit up |
| 11:47.02 | Mr_Rabies | also mine drops out every 4 hours like clockwork |
| 11:47.10 | cbreak | ouch :( |
| 11:47.16 | Mr_Rabies | 8:30, 12:30, 4:30, 8:30, 12:30, 4:30 |
| 11:47.19 | Mr_Rabies | every day |
| 11:47.36 | cbreak | malliciousness? |
| 11:48.06 | Mr_Rabies | no clue |
| 11:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | at&t is awful |
| 11:48.16 | Mr_Rabies | they have a monopoly on the area basically |
| 11:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | and it lets them sell sub-par service for basically whatever price they want |
| 11:48.47 | cbreak | I read you'll get google fiber ... in parts of the US. |
| 11:50.56 | Mr_Rabies | it'll take 20 years to get here :( |
| 11:51.44 | Mr_Rabies | people tend to underestimate how hard the US is |
| 11:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | the only national infrastructure we really have are the highway system (which isn't in great shape) and railroads to some extent, but those are for shipping only 99% of the time |
| 11:53.48 | cbreak | just read on wikipedia. Apparently they "donated" almost 48 million to politicians, and spent 130 million on lobbying |
| 11:54.46 | cbreak | not sure if that'd even be legal here. |
| 12:01.19 | karl_w_w | how do indians get their meat so insanely tender? |
| 12:01.28 | karl_w_w | it's fuckin hindu witchcraft |
| 12:02.18 | cbreak | beef? |
| 12:02.25 | karl_w_w | especially |
| 12:02.29 | cbreak | simmering. |
| 12:02.37 | cbreak | at low heat, for hours. |
| 12:03.35 | karl_w_w | it's still impressive compared to any other slow cook |
| 12:03.50 | cbreak | I do that when I make beef curry. The curry gets simmered for at least an hour, probably closer to two hours. |
| 12:04.58 | karl_w_w | the beaf i just had you could cut easily with a fork across the grain |
| 12:05.13 | karl_w_w | beaf? sure, beaf! |
| 12:05.52 | karl_w_w | the mr leBeouf I just had... |
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| 13:23.24 | Semlar | it's much too early to be awake |
| 13:38.55 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.47 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/f0bsh.jpg perfect |
| 13:40.27 | stuf | haha |
| 13:40.44 | Semlar | i'm just going to assume they're all there |
| 13:43.21 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9lgi5.jpg this is somewhat more readable |
| 13:44.06 | Kalroth | make it 3D with rotate and zoom! |
| 13:44.15 | Semlar | >_> |
| 13:44.43 | Semlar | well, there is a heightmap in here |
| 13:46.31 | Semlar | the WMOs are all made up of models so you probably could provide a 3d viewer in-game for them or at least for parts of them |
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| 13:47.48 | Semlar | this is just supposed to be a searchable database of where something is though |
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| 13:49.54 | Semlar | i'm not really sure if it has everything i could get or not but it has a lot |
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| 14:14.57 | mikma | semlar: only thing left to do is tell the player is the location higher or lower than the player is ;) |
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| 14:18.00 | Semlar | it isn't possible |
| 14:18.16 | Semlar | there's no way to get the player's vertical position mikma |
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| 14:19.51 | mikma | semlar: so you think that's for blizzard only? |
| 14:20.28 | Semlar | the only reason we have coordinates is because it's the position of the player dot on the map |
| 14:20.58 | Semlar | which is 2 dimmensional |
| 14:27.59 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
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| 14:44.50 | karl_w_w | that's the original only reason Semlar |
| 14:45.05 | karl_w_w | there's things like quests and digsites now |
| 15:00.22 | karl_w_w | wow the humidity reached 94% today |
| 15:02.22 | Alram | you are almost fully submerged in water!! |
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| 15:10.12 | karl_w_w | i wish alram |
| 15:10.27 | karl_w_w | sadly I was referring to relative humidity |
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| 15:17.04 | Alram | :( |
| 15:22.52 | Shirik | well this is pretty epic |
| 15:23.03 | Shirik | I have one of those transponders in my car for automatic payment of tolls on a bridge |
| 15:23.06 | Shirik | statement today: |
| 15:23.29 | Shirik | 11/28/2012 09:50:50AM 3 SB Manual 101 1 2 $1.00, 11/28/2012 09:50:52AM 2 NB Manual 101 1 2 $1.00 |
| 15:23.55 | Shirik | you think they could automatically detect that I probably didn't go through two lanes in two seconds |
| 15:24.46 | Arrowmaster | they could but that would cost them money to implement and they wouldnt get as much money after they implement it |
| 15:26.49 | karl_w_w | Shirik is foolish like that |
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| 15:33.40 | TC-work | Shirik: it's possible you triggered both receivers. |
| 15:33.53 | Shirik | I"m assuming that's what happened |
| 15:33.56 | Shirik | since I don't normally use that lane |
| 15:37.39 | karl_w_w | where is the transponder? |
| 15:37.49 | karl_w_w | you should buy it a pet faraday cage |
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| 16:09.01 | Semlar | karl_w_w i just meant our only access to the player's position is their point on the map |
| 16:09.28 | Semlar | not any sort of global positioning |
| 16:09.43 | Semlar | so we can't get their height |
| 16:10.48 | Semlar | i mean you might theoretically be able to do something if you exported a heightmap to lua |
| 16:10.49 | End_ | we used to be able to get height |
| 16:11.01 | Semlar | oh? |
| 16:11.02 | End_ | but then they removed that API :( |
| 16:11.06 | End_ | long time ago |
| 16:11.14 | End_ | around 1.3 when they removed it |
| 16:11.20 | Semlar | that's too bad |
| 16:11.31 | End_ | it returned absolute coordinates too |
| 16:11.34 | Semlar | it's really unfortunate that our only tie to the player's position is on the map |
| 16:14.32 | Semlar | end_: http://i.imgur.com/MFKRr.jpg |
| 16:14.59 | End_ | is that the subzone names? |
| 16:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | BEEER GARDEN! Let's go. |
| 16:15.10 | Semlar | pretty much |
| 16:15.17 | End_ | hehehe |
| 16:16.05 | karl_w_w | you only just found out there's a beer garden? :P |
| 16:16.16 | Semlar | i put a lot of work into getting a coordinate for a name |
| 16:16.17 | karl_w_w | alliance only! |
| 16:16.26 | Lopeppeppy | Do I look like a gnome who drinks beer? *taps her foot* |
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| 16:16.48 | Semlar | all the stuff on that map is in a WMO |
| 16:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle drinks the beer, I eat the seafood. This is the agreement. |
| 16:17.30 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9lgi5.jpg here i labeled the stuff so i could figure out what all the duplicates were |
| 16:18.05 | Semlar | like there's 3 points for the drag because it's a poi, a wmo and an area from my script's standpoint |
| 16:18.40 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Don't forget, I get all the tomatoes. |
| 16:19.11 | Semlar | the POI probably trumps everything else in terms of accuracy so if it exists for a place i should ignore the rest |
| 16:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | Cooked ones. I like them raw. We'll share the raw ones. |
| 16:19.57 | Unkle | Deal. *shakes hand* |
| 16:20.19 | Semlar | and then there's this http://i.imgur.com/f0bsh.jpg |
| 16:20.38 | Lopeppeppy | We're not unreasonable - we save the eyes for Cogwheel! |
| 16:21.34 | karl_w_w | such a goody 2 shoes |
| 16:22.04 | Lopeppeppy | Well duh. |
| 16:22.18 | TC-work | I haste you so much karl_w_w |
| 16:23.01 | karl_w_w | you're too good to me |
| 16:24.17 | karl_w_w | haste is like such a useful status effect |
| 16:25.23 | Semlar | a lot of instances don't have their entrance coordinates in the database unfortunately |
| 16:26.07 | Unkle | All we want to do is eat your brains. |
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| 16:26.55 | Semlar | i'd rather you didn't |
| 16:29.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/JcIeB.jpg hmm.. |
| 16:30.10 | Semlar | PVP Activity Detected! |
| 16:30.23 | karl_w_w | apart from those they are correct |
| 16:30.35 | Semlar | i like how every section of the wall has a poi |
| 16:30.45 | karl_w_w | well they are correct too |
| 16:30.50 | karl_w_w | the pvp activity detected |
| 16:31.07 | Semlar | yeah, they're just temporary or triggered or something |
| 16:31.07 | karl_w_w | crossed swords appear on the map in those places |
| 16:31.14 | Semlar | i'm sure there's a flag in there that describes it |
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| 16:33.53 | Semlar | for some reason the nexus is in there as "Nexus Legendary" |
| 16:34.04 | Semlar | or that could possibly be the raid |
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| 16:34.36 | Semlar | i don't know why the instance entrances are even in any dbc |
| 16:35.02 | Semlar | they aren't all in there and aren't used anywhere in the game as far as i know |
| 16:35.50 | Semlar | the dungeon journal really should tell you where the entrance to a place is |
| 16:36.00 | karl_w_w | some would be in there |
| 16:36.27 | karl_w_w | all the cata ones for example because you had to discover them before you could queue |
| 16:36.37 | Semlar | oh |
| 16:36.40 | Semlar | that would explain it |
| 16:36.44 | Semlar | maybe |
| 16:36.59 | Semlar | although that probably falls under the "areatrigger" dbc |
| 16:37.24 | Semlar | these are just exact x,y coordinates for the entrance portal |
| 16:37.38 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 16:38.06 | Semlar | it would make the most sense if they were used to tell you where they were, but they don't ever do that i don't think |
| 16:38.32 | karl_w_w | do quest pois show up in what you're using? |
| 16:38.37 | karl_w_w | cos some quests send you to dungeons of course |
| 16:38.40 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure quests are all server side |
| 16:38.57 | Semlar | i couldn't find anything on them |
| 16:39.08 | Semlar | okay that doesn't mean much, i didn't look |
| 16:39.12 | Semlar | >_> |
| 16:39.37 | karl_w_w | maybe they started adding them but didnt bother finishing for whatever reason :P |
| 16:40.05 | Semlar | it looks like a half implemented system for telling you how to get to the instances |
| 16:40.54 | Semlar | i was thinking i might be able to actually identify the portal object itself in the stuff i'm doing but i wouldn't be able to say where it goes so it's not much use |
| 16:41.00 | karl_w_w | is there any pattern to what ones are included and which arent? |
| 16:41.11 | karl_w_w | like level |
| 16:41.33 | Semlar | not really |
| 16:41.42 | Semlar | "Gate of the Setting Sun" is in there but not mogu'shan palace |
| 16:42.49 | Semlar | and i think they're both 5 man dungeons in the same zone |
| 16:44.05 | karl_w_w | 'tis truly the scientific mystery of the modern age |
| 16:44.18 | Semlar | also some of them are like "Scarlet Monastery of Old" |
| 16:44.37 | Semlar | which i believe was the original entrance |
| 16:44.58 | Semlar | ..or possibly a new instance |
| 16:45.25 | karl_w_w | http://mashable.com/2013/01/07/htc-q1/ jeezus |
| 16:45.53 | mikma | semlar: http://i.imgur.com/f0bsh.jpg jeesh |
| 16:46.05 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 16:46.15 | Semlar | lots of points! |
| 16:46.20 | mikma | lots of love |
| 16:46.32 | mikma | PvP Activity Detected(POI) :DDD |
| 16:46.56 | Dagmar | Hey look! It's the famous Great Wall of Text! |
| 16:47.08 | Semlar | infamous |
| 16:48.19 | Semlar | i need to standardize the text for searching |
| 16:48.35 | Semlar | probably ignore things like "the" |
| 16:48.43 | Semlar | remove any punctuation |
| 16:48.48 | mikma | semlar: what about Terokkar Forest? |
| 16:49.45 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/G0KJ0.jpg |
| 16:50.23 | Semlar | does that say macro's test poi |
| 16:50.27 | Semlar | :| |
| 16:50.35 | Semlar | marco |
| 16:50.51 | mikma | where |
| 16:51.07 | Semlar | right of shattrath |
| 16:51.24 | Semlar | Marco's Test POI(POI) |
| 16:51.28 | mikma | hah, something like that :D |
| 16:52.06 | mikma | semlar: maybe a feature that shows the spots and text when you mouseover a correct area in the map? |
| 16:52.38 | Semlar | i was thinking of just supplementing the area text you get when you hover over the map |
| 16:52.38 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8whTWQ-RHkk&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:52.49 | mikma | semlar: altho, remember that when you switch between windowed/maximized, it might bug |
| 16:52.53 | Semlar | but you don't have any indication of what will actually trigger text |
| 16:54.31 | Semlar | well, i guess the map has features |
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| 16:55.04 | mikma | what's WMO |
| 16:55.17 | Semlar | it means it was a pain in the ass to get |
| 16:55.28 | mikma | whore map object? |
| 16:55.33 | Semlar | world map object |
| 16:55.37 | kd3 | effectively, yes |
| 16:55.39 | mikma | so close! |
| 16:56.04 | Semlar | there's a root object and then it can contain any number of child objects |
| 16:56.51 | Semlar | and actually getting a name and coordinates for an object is not really very simple |
| 16:57.07 | Semlar | i mean you saw my flowchart |
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| 16:58.52 | Semlar | a WMO is something that has a physical presence though, like a building |
| 16:58.53 | mikma | yeah |
| 16:59.05 | Semlar | for example grommash hold in orgrimmar |
| 16:59.22 | Semlar | it has its own subzone but only inside the building itself |
| 16:59.37 | mikma | oh lord |
| 16:59.46 | Semlar | that an objects can be used multiple times with different names |
| 16:59.53 | mikma | i understand why that's whore map object |
| 17:00.07 | Semlar | so like the same model for a building can be placed on two different maps or even the same map |
| 17:00.21 | Semlar | but they need to be treated differently |
| 17:00.32 | mikma | hmm |
| 17:00.37 | mikma | what about phasings |
| 17:00.38 | Semlar | but they both use the same wmo file |
| 17:01.33 | Semlar | i would guess different phases use different references to the same wmo |
| 17:01.34 | mikma | the most interesting phasing i've seen is the operation: shieldwall -area |
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| 17:02.10 | mikma | that's in Khasarang Wilds, Pandaria |
| 17:02.28 | kd3 | some of the phase borders are a little too twitchy, though |
| 17:03.18 | Semlar | i should mention subzones don't have coordinates exactly, i've had to piece them together |
| 17:03.52 | Semlar | you see those terrain squares in the background on my map? |
| 17:04.05 | Semlar | the minimap textures |
| 17:04.06 | mikma | no |
| 17:04.32 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/G0KJ0.jpg the grid of terrain squares behind the map |
| 17:04.52 | Semlar | around the edges |
| 17:05.17 | mikma | oh those |
| 17:05.27 | Semlar | each square has an adt file associated with it |
| 17:05.40 | Semlar | it represents about a 533 yard square |
| 17:05.41 | mikma | i kinda realized they are there but didn't really notice it |
| 17:06.13 | Semlar | and each square is broken into 16 smaller squares on each side, so 256 blocks make up each square |
| 17:06.43 | Semlar | each one of those blocks is about 33 yards and has an area id associated with it |
| 17:07.05 | mikma | semlar: where are you playing? |
| 17:07.06 | Semlar | so like i could say this 33 yard square belongs to durotar or orgrimmar or something |
| 17:07.30 | Semlar | anyway, that's how i build the subzone areas |
| 17:07.54 | Semlar | i don't have an active account |
| 17:08.08 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.21 | mikma | so that's ptr i guess |
| 17:08.24 | Semlar | this is just programming practice |
| 17:08.41 | mikma | another option is private server |
| 17:08.43 | Semlar | i have an account on the ptr and i have a trial account |
| 17:09.12 | Semlar | this is on live |
| 17:09.31 | Semlar | on.. emerald dream US |
| 17:09.38 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: why would they do this http://d.root-servers.org/renumber.html |
| 17:10.23 | Semlar | i'm not going to bother reactivating my account unless my friends start playing again |
| 17:11.01 | mikma | make your wife/husband play |
| 17:13.23 | Semlar | i don't really have that much interest in playing the game, just playing with the system |
| 17:14.08 | mikma | heh |
| 17:14.31 | mikma | you might want to make the locations as a library or somesort of database which you could release |
| 17:14.42 | chiel | playing the game can be fun depending on who you are playing with yeah :) |
| 17:15.19 | Semlar | it still needs to be cleaned up some |
| 17:15.35 | Semlar | i also want to separate the names from the locations |
| 17:16.18 | Semlar | for some thing there can be several locations with the same name |
| 17:16.35 | Semlar | but it would also make it easier to localize |
| 17:16.47 | mikma | chiel: i'm playing with my wife mainly, i switched back to wow from bf3 :D |
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| 17:17.13 | mikma | chiel: and i've been tons more relaxed now |
| 17:17.17 | Semlar | i could generate localizations with the right files |
| 17:17.34 | chiel | mikma: yea, i play with my gf |
| 17:17.37 | chiel | and well, my guild |
| 17:19.13 | mikma | chiel: same, we've got 100% finnish guild that's done good progress in all expansions |
| 17:21.09 | chiel | ah, i'm jealous :) |
| 17:21.16 | chiel | my guild only just managed to kill elegon yesterday.. |
| 17:22.05 | mikma | which one is that :P |
| 17:22.22 | chiel | 5th boss in msv, the shiny cloud serpent |
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| 17:23.21 | Semlar | mikma if you want the terrain map in the background it's part of http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21830-Foglight.html |
| 17:23.49 | mikma | semlar: yeah, i tried that. it was kinda horrible :D |
| 17:23.55 | Semlar | ah |
| 17:24.14 | mikma | don't take it personally, it's just my taste of map |
| 17:24.25 | Semlar | what would make it better |
| 17:25.03 | Semlar | or what didn't you like about it |
| 17:25.06 | mikma | it's not "what woule make it better", it's just the fact that i like the active/browsed zone to be terrainmapped insted |
| 17:25.43 | mikma | like i said, just my taste of maps :) |
| 17:26.05 | Semlar | you mean you'd prefer the whole thing to be like a satellite map? |
| 17:26.09 | Semlar | or just none of it |
| 17:26.37 | mikma | i kinda like the ckk's map / carbonite map |
| 17:27.04 | Semlar | so you want to be able to turn off the map overlay |
| 17:27.10 | Semlar | just have terrain |
| 17:27.24 | mikma | just try carbonite and you'll see :) |
| 17:27.44 | Semlar | i made a map that completely duplicated carbonite a while back |
| 17:28.15 | mikma | NEAT |
| 17:28.18 | mikma | + caps |
| 17:28.20 | mikma | so, neat! |
| 17:28.54 | mikma | i like maps like that but the current one's that exist are waaaaaay to heavy and include ton's of crap i don't need |
| 17:28.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/TOSi6.jpg this was like a prototype |
| 17:29.13 | mikma | all i'm needing is waypoints and well, your gps |
| 17:29.16 | Semlar | you could drag it around and zoom |
| 17:29.31 | Semlar | if you zoomed in it would just fade out the map and turn into terrain |
| 17:29.44 | mikma | exactly like that |
| 17:29.50 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/I64bF.jpg |
| 17:30.11 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/0acah.jpg |
| 17:30.11 | Humbedooh | ooh |
| 17:30.42 | Semlar | this gps thing is really just meant to be part of it |
| 17:31.10 | Semlar | foglight is just part of it i broke out because someone wanted that specific feature |
| 17:31.12 | mikma | remember, waypoints |
| 17:31.29 | mikma | needs to work with tomtom :) |
| 17:31.38 | Semlar | that map thing is done almost completely using api functions |
| 17:31.41 | Semlar | no database |
| 17:32.01 | Semlar | the only thing i had to export was internal map names for the terrain maps |
| 17:32.16 | Semlar | and that's basically just one string for each continent |
| 17:32.51 | Semlar | technically only pandaria has a name that i can't get from inside the game |
| 17:33.03 | mikma | seriously? |
| 17:33.05 | Semlar | yeah |
| 17:33.12 | mikma | errrrr |
| 17:33.21 | Semlar | so i could just map pandaria's area id to 'hawaiimainland' |
| 17:33.47 | Semlar | the rest have the same internal name as their regular map so it can be pulled out using GetMapInfo |
| 17:34.08 | mikma | why would they do that :O |
| 17:34.09 | Semlar | i figure out the full path to the terrain tiles using maaaaaaaaaath |
| 17:34.53 | Semlar | which i do in foglight |
| 17:34.59 | Adys | semlar |
| 17:35.07 | Semlar | sup |
| 17:35.34 | Adys | on train atm. I implemented listfiles and such on plane |
| 17:35.45 | Adys | fun |
| 17:36.03 | Semlar | it sounds like fun |
| 17:36.45 | Adys | it is. fu'll functionality isn't there |
| 17:38.27 | Semlar | adys: http://i.imgur.com/G0KJ0.jpg pooooooints |
| 17:39.18 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/f0bsh.jpg what do you think |
| 17:39.21 | kd3 | overlapping text is bleh, but that's all kinds of awesome |
| 17:39.58 | Semlar | mikma: http://i.imgur.com/1VpCp.jpg this was a little hovery thing that showed the terrain under the cursor |
| 17:40.18 | Semlar | i don't know if i showed you this before |
| 17:40.41 | mikma | semlar: no you didn't, that's kinda kinky |
| 17:42.07 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/ZSDJw.jpg that's the map all explodey |
| 17:42.20 | TC-work | you're all explodey |
| 17:45.56 | Semlar | you're all explodey! |
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| 17:49.02 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/EsdAR.jpg this is probably one of my favorites |
| 17:49.36 | mikma | CUT AND PASTE |
| 17:49.41 | Semlar | you can see how all the maps fit together |
| 17:49.52 | Humbedooh | I see a hoof |
| 17:50.32 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/eBbzU.jpg |
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| 17:50.43 | Semlar | i think i had the aspect ratio wrong in that one |
| 17:51.57 | Semlar | the maps aren't supposed to be that wide |
| 17:52.14 | kd3 | it's drawing azuremyst/bloodmyst on the wrong side? |
| 17:52.22 | Semlar | yeah don't worry about that |
| 17:52.53 | Semlar | that's where the game thinks they are, they have to be transformed into their position on the continent |
| 17:53.05 | Semlar | so do the blood elf areas |
| 17:53.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/EeKrx.jpg they're part of outland's instance |
| 17:54.00 | Semlar | like, you actually get teleported to those areas when you go there |
| 17:54.40 | kd3 | yeah |
| 17:55.01 | Semlar | luckily those transformations are actually available in-game |
| 17:55.11 | kd3 | we used to get party blips on the minimap pointing to them back when they were first introduced |
| 17:55.18 | Semlar | so you can figure out where they're supposed to go if you know what you're doing |
| 17:55.32 | kd3 | party members in shat and exodar? sure. they're *that* direction |
| 17:55.41 | Semlar | >_> |
| 17:55.50 | mikma | semlar: what about DK starting zone? |
| 17:56.06 | Semlar | i think that's in ek? |
| 17:56.10 | Semlar | i'm not sure |
| 17:56.11 | mikma | yeah |
| 17:56.29 | mikma | eastern plaguelands i think |
| 17:56.33 | mikma | the rightmost side of it |
| 17:56.48 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/3u4dS.jpg you'll notice the lack of textures in this |
| 17:57.14 | Semlar | there was a lot of trial and error |
| 17:57.44 | Semlar | tolbarad is also transformed from the maelstrom continent |
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| 17:58.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/KSRkq.jpg see, they eventually get to the right spots |
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| 18:03.07 | jnwhiteh | AcidWeb: <3 |
| 18:14.50 | mikma | rtharper: kikkeli |
| 18:22.49 | Humbedooh | mikma: tissit |
| 18:23.02 | mikma | tissit mainittu! |
| 18:23.15 | TC-work | wow, i meant to type 'race' and i typed 'care' instead. Mondays suck. |
| 18:23.22 | foxlit | Gr. Whose clever idea was it to split the Save As and Export dialogs in various image editing applications? |
| 18:23.46 | kd3 | gimp? yeah. that's annoyed me too |
| 18:23.58 | chiel | PS has it too :/ |
| 18:24.17 | Dagmar | It's because Save As typically keeps the object type, and just lets you change the filename. |
| 18:24.29 | Dagmar | Export is for operations which would change the format of the object as it's saved. |
| 18:24.38 | Dagmar | i.e., exporting an SVG as a PNG. |
| 18:25.15 | foxlit | Dagmar: back in the olden days of like two to twelve years ago, the save as dialog simply had a type dropdown specifying what format you wanted to save in. |
| 18:25.24 | foxlit | If you didn't touch it, you wouldn't change the file format. |
| 18:25.31 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 18:25.47 | Semlar | photoshop's save-as dialog lets you pick the format |
| 18:25.56 | foxlit | Why break that? |
| 18:26.19 | Dagmar | ...because not everying is Photoshop and a lot of this shit is built up from templates. |
| 18:26.29 | Xinhuan | i think macs started that trend |
| 18:26.31 | Xinhuan | not sure |
| 18:26.53 | Dagmar | Practically everything in that ribbon can be thought of as a grid of boxes you can turn on or off if you don't need, and just assign callbacks to. |
| 18:27.02 | Dagmar | It makes it a bit easier to have a uniform interface. |
| 18:27.47 | foxlit | Gimp's export option literally brings up the old Save As dialog |
| 18:28.15 | Dagmar | ...so whether or not the dialog that's called for Save As allows you to change the file type, there are two issues in the way... One being that file extentions that are part of the filename are only really important to Windows machines, and the other being that the menu system has both a Save As and an Export function. |
| 18:28.32 | Xinhuan | again, i think macs started it, most of the apps on it have "save as" and "export" |
| 18:28.37 | Dagmar | Gimp's not the only thing that uses GTK+. It makes a bit more sense for Inkscape. |
| 18:28.44 | kd3 | I've been considering remapping keybindings, but I can hit ctrl+shift+e as easily as I can hit ctrl+shift+s |
| 18:29.05 | foxlit | (there's a difference between Export and Export to?) |
| 18:29.13 | Dagmar | yes. |
| 18:29.52 | Dagmar | One might go away, one might not. One might just be there just because all the mouse-clickers from Windows would scream and yell if it weren't there. |
| 18:30.58 | Semlar | can they really be "from windows" if they're using gimp |
| 18:31.00 | foxlit | And should you attempt to change the extension in the save as dialog, it'll pop up a box saying "FUCK YOU USE EXPORT. OK?" |
| 18:31.20 | Semlar | i think at that point you can assume they're using linux |
| 18:31.47 | Dagmar | Lots of people actually use Gimp *on Windows*. |
| 18:31.53 | Semlar | why |
| 18:31.57 | Dagmar | Not everyone is so desperate for validation that they'll pirate Photoshop |
| 18:32.39 | Dagmar | You can click your way into the automatic creation of beveled eyesores in Gimp just as easily as you can Photoshop |
| 18:32.40 | Semlar | the only time i've used gimp was in linux because that's basically what's available |
| 18:33.17 | Dagmar | I just feel sorry for all the people that seem to think Gimp is so much harder to use |
| 18:33.22 | Semlar | and people who make programs for linux almost universally hate windows and don't seem to care much whether it works on it or not |
| 18:35.52 | Unkle | http://fstoppers.com/have-an-older-computer-download-adobe-cs2-premium-plus-free |
| 18:36.35 | Semlar | i personally prefer cs2 over the newest photoshop |
| 18:36.46 | Unkle | Don't even need to pirate it. |
| 18:37.52 | Lopeppeppy | Totally snagged it all, Unkle, it's awesome. |
| 18:38.47 | Unkle | Yeah, I'm going to put it on a few machines. CS2 is a pretty handy thing to have. |
| 18:39.01 | Lopeppeppy | Sure doesn't suck to have Acrobat Pro. |
| 18:39.27 | Unkle | InDesign is useful around here for pre-press items. |
| 18:42.25 | karl_w_w | you put the lime in the coconut and drink em both up |
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| 18:45.05 | alestane | I used to use InDesign when I was doing PDF publishing, haven't tried converting to Scribus since my pre-CS version stopped working on my OS. |
| 18:45.07 | pompy1 | "R.I.P." http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/729885/playstation-2-production-discontinued-sony-confirms/ |
| 18:45.32 | Unkle | It's taken this long? |
| 18:45.40 | pompy1 | lol |
| 18:45.50 | alestane | That's actually a real testament to the console and its library. |
| 18:48.53 | Semlar | CS2 isn't free, it just doesn't require activation |
| 18:49.42 | Semlar | you need a serial number to install it |
| 18:50.02 | Unkle | They're giving away the serial number too. |
| 18:50.21 | Unkle | Or they were. |
| 18:50.51 | Semlar | well the link doesn't work at all any more so they took it down at some point |
| 18:51.01 | Semlar | http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/creative-suite-2-activation-end-life.html this is the end-of-life thing |
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| 18:57.33 | pompy1 | http://amzn.com/B005UBNLFK was on sale for $145 earlier |
| 18:58.01 | durcyn | no matter what it costs it's still an AMD piece of shit |
| 18:59.01 | kd3 | hm. my w-2 provider's website is timing out |
| 18:59.08 | alestane | http://www.theonion.com/articles/4-copy-editors-killed-in-ongoing-ap-style-chicago,30806/ |
| 18:59.18 | kd3 | hits F5 a few more times to help stomp the servers flat |
| 19:03.30 | TC-work | try ctrl+F5, that should make it slightly worse |
| 19:22.48 | pompy1 | http://nerdreactor.com/2013/01/07/ffxiv-a-realm-reborn-beta-signups-are-live/ |
| 19:29.24 | TC-work | I doubt that determines the date. FF is too popular to completely die. |
| 19:36.22 | TC-work | Oh great, there is a table i want to browse with 3 million+ pages.....this is gonna be fun.... |
| 19:39.04 | Maldivia | better start filtering :P |
| 19:40.00 | TC-work | no filter and i jumped to page 3112082, 132 sec and counting so far |
| 19:40.11 | TC-work | I may have to kill it |
| 19:41.51 | kd3 | eesh |
| 19:41.58 | TC-work | yup, killed it |
| 19:42.48 | Maldivia | sounds painfull |
| 19:44.06 | TC-work | Well it's a list of every render that takes place on the 5K render nodes and 3.5K desktops, and the render nodes run 24-7. So yea...pita |
| 19:44.20 | kd3 | hm. kinda surprised there's no ptr build on the mirrors yet |
| 19:49.01 | Maldivia | why? |
| 19:50.40 | kd3 | last build was some time in december and they've had most of a work-week at this point to compile a new one |
| 19:51.46 | Maldivia | yeah ok |
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| 19:53.17 | smcn | is there an addon that solves the travelling salesman problem between tomtom waypoints or otherwise customizable points like questhelper used to do? |
| 19:53.41 | kd3 | routes, if it's still being updated? |
| 19:53.49 | smcn | oh yeah duh |
| 19:53.53 | smcn | i use routes |
| 19:54.05 | smcn | well actually i don't think routes can do cross-zone |
| 19:58.10 | Semlar | you should be able to calculate a route anywhere within the same continent |
| 19:58.33 | Semlar | if routes can't do it it's an arbitrary restriction |
| 19:58.39 | smcn | yeah it is |
| 19:58.52 | smcn | arbitrary i mean |
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| 20:06.42 | Ackis | any level 90 horde I could get a battle tag from and then an invite (if they're online)? :D |
| 20:09.18 | Fisker | kicks kd3 |
| 20:09.25 | TC-work | kicks Fisker |
| 20:09.29 | Fisker | nope TC-work |
| 20:09.33 | Fisker | cease and desist |
| 20:09.36 | TC-work | too late, did it |
| 20:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | Don't make me turn this channel around, children. |
| 20:12.06 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:12.17 | Fisker | then why don't you stop me? |
| 20:12.34 | Fisker | prepares for vulcan death choke |
| 20:12.35 | Cairenn | And once she gets you back to the house, I'm sending you to your rooms without supper and after I've pulled your internet connections. |
| 20:12.57 | kd3 | ouch. a punishment for the modern times, theat |
| 20:12.57 | Ackis | cut their keyboard cables Cairenn! |
| 20:13.30 | Fisker | internet is a human right! |
| 20:13.32 | kd3 | s/theat/that/ |
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| 20:15.07 | Cairenn | Punishment needs to fit the crime, and the offender. Worst thing I could do to my daughter when she was younger was to tell her she wasn't allowed to read anything other than her homework. |
| 20:15.24 | Lopeppeppy | Set off an EMP pulse, destroy all of their electronics at once! |
| 20:15.34 | Lopeppeppy | My mom used to take away my books too. Very sad! |
| 20:16.04 | Cairenn | Since her biggest offense in school tended to be reading non-school work during classes. |
| 20:16.31 | Maldivia | biggest offense... damn |
| 20:16.41 | Cairenn | Yep ... |
| 20:16.55 | Cairenn | She's a geek, what can I say? I raised her right. ;) |
| 20:17.05 | Maldivia | sounds like it! |
| 20:17.26 | Maldivia | (the latter part) |
| 20:17.36 | Lopeppeppy | I got in fistfights with my sister - bad juju. |
| 20:17.59 | Cairenn | Oh, my sisters and I, it got downright vicious, hehehe |
| 20:19.04 | Maldivia | meow? |
| 20:19.13 | Cairenn | Also, a belated happy birthday, karl_w_w, sorry I missed putting it in the topic yesterday. |
| 20:19.36 | |Jelly| | pounce-hugs Cairenn. |
| 20:19.47 | Cairenn | smoogles |Jelly| |
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| 20:24.12 | jnwhiteh | smcn: routes does |
| 20:24.19 | jnwhiteh | in case you didn't get an answer before |
| 20:24.43 | jnwhiteh | but i'm not sure if there are any that do it off your current set of waypoints |
| 20:24.47 | smcn | jnwhiteh: yeah routes doesn't do cross-zone though, at least not as far as i can tell |
| 20:24.58 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 20:25.28 | TC-work | Cairenn: I got in trouble in English class all the time for that exact same thing |
| 20:25.43 | Cairenn | Me too |
| 20:25.56 | Arrowmaster | i seriously pissed off a science teacher once for doing that |
| 20:26.04 | TC-work | I also sat about 5 feet from the teacher.... |
| 20:26.28 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: I thought you got in fistfights in general. |
| 20:26.47 | Arrowmaster | she asked me to answer a hard question thinking i wasnt paying attention because i was reading an unrelated book, answered the question correctly without even looking up from the book |
| 20:27.29 | Arrowmaster | it got brought up during parent teacher conference |
| 20:27.59 | Torhal|work | My Junior-year English teacher was a treat; fresh out of college. I would routinely walk a dictionary up to her desk along with my paper which would have words circled in red (which meant they were 'misspelled'). |
| 20:28.15 | Torhal|work | Needless to say, she didn't like me. |
| 20:29.27 | TC-work | I once got in trouble in elementary school for writing a dirty word on the chalkboard, when my mom walked in all she said to me was "If you are going to write it on the board, at least spell it right". My teacher was less than amused. |
| 20:31.01 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 20:32.28 | Unkle | TC-work: I once misused a "four letter" word. My parents overheard. I got a lesson in the proper use of profanity. |
| 20:33.46 | TC-work | Good on them |
| 20:34.31 | Kalroth | the c-word? |
| 20:39.32 | Ackis | I called my mom at work (on a recorded line lulz) to find out what the c word was when I was a kid |
| 20:39.56 | Torhal|work | Knowing you, you already knew. |
| 20:40.04 | Ackis | I was like 6 at the time :P |
| 20:40.08 | pompy1 | lol |
| 20:40.12 | Torhal|work | So? You're trouble like that/ |
| 20:40.16 | smcn | that is my favorite curse these days |
| 20:40.25 | smcn | i use it almost exclusively |
| 20:40.45 | Torhal|work | Watch it; Cairenn may destroy you. |
| 20:40.49 | Ackis | Pat LaFontaine called Dave Manson a fucking C and I didn't know what C was |
| 20:41.00 | pompy1 | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151595684823943&set=a.10150174763043943.362870.114889148942&type=1 |
| 20:41.17 | Torhal|work | Now imagine losing it. |
| 20:41.36 | Ackis | Torhal|work: how much storage do you have on your drop box? |
| 20:41.50 | Torhal|work | 11.9GB |
| 20:41.55 | Ackis | that's it? |
| 20:41.58 | Torhal|work | Aye. |
| 20:42.15 | pompy1 | what do you mean, "thats it" ;) |
| 20:42.33 | Ackis | 0 bytes of 50.25 GB used |
| 20:42.48 | pompy1 | paying for more space? |
| 20:42.52 | Ackis | nope |
| 20:43.26 | Ackis | got free bonus space with our tablet |
| 20:43.34 | Arrowmaster | 49.5 MB of 2.88 GB used |
| 20:44.50 | Torhal|work | BTW: Adobe released Creative Suite 2 for free: http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/magic/creativesuite/CS2_EOL/PHSP/PhSp_CS2_English.exe |
| 20:46.12 | smcn | did i enter a time warp |
| 20:46.38 | Cairenn | smcn: btw, TC-work is correct, I will be highly annoyed with you (have I mentioned that I'm a mistress of understatement) if you use that word in this channel. |
| 20:46.50 | smcn | Cairenn: no worries i never curse in polite company |
| 20:47.02 | Arrowmaster | its the only word nobody dares say in here |
| 20:47.03 | Kalroth | there's a reason i called it the c-word :P |
| 20:47.08 | Torhal|work | Watch your fucking langu…er, wait... |
| 20:47.31 | pompy1 | stfu Torhal|work |
| 20:47.31 | Ackis | calls Cairenn the c-word... CUTE AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH *hides* |
| 20:47.32 | xyphoid | Ackis: haha that was nice, i bought an S3 and getting 50gb of dropbox by surprise was really great |
| 20:47.46 | Torhal|work | dips pompy1 in a vat of NOPE. |
| 20:48.09 | Kalroth | calls Ackis the c-word .. CHEF |
| 20:48.14 | Cairenn | smcn: (a) HAH! Polite company? You new to the channel? (b) You're allowed to swear in here, just don't use that one word (or anything bigoted) |
| 20:48.29 | Kalroth | can i be bigoted towards paladins? |
| 20:48.43 | Kalroth | if they're called Fisker? |
| 20:49.04 | Fisker | hey Torhal|work |
| 20:49.13 | Kalroth | oops, sorry Torhal |
| 20:49.18 | Kalroth | i didnt mean to awaken him |
| 20:49.20 | Fisker | does your license allow you to deeplink CS2? |
| 20:49.22 | Torhal|work | Are you still the Devil's concubine, Fisker? |
| 20:49.43 | Ackis | 0 bytes of 50.63 GB used now! muhahahahha |
| 20:49.54 | Torhal|work | steals Ackis's Dropbox. |
| 20:50.07 | Humbedooh | drops Ackis' stealbox |
| 20:50.27 | pompy1 | perhaps you should use more than 0 bytes!!!! |
| 20:50.29 | Torhal|work | watches Humbedooh code a box library in Lua. |
| 20:51.18 | TC-work | Cairenn: Note that TC-work != Torhal|work |
| 20:51.20 | Humbedooh | watches Torhal|work code a library box in Lua. |
| 20:51.35 | Cairenn | heh, sorry |
| 20:52.00 | pompy1 | nah i think they are the same. |
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| 20:55.44 | mikma | cairenn: was that word "cucumber"? |
| 20:55.51 | Cairenn | mikma: lol |
| 20:56.12 | mikma | cairenn: cup, as in 2 girls 1 cup? |
| 20:56.16 | Cairenn | ewwwww |
| 20:56.22 | mikma | cairenn: was it cairenn? |
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| 20:56.41 | Maldivia | curse? |
| 20:56.46 | mikma | oh i know, cinderella |
| 20:57.05 | Cairenn | You know damn well that I'm not going to type it, no matter how annoying you try to be. :p |
| 20:57.08 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.break.com/pranks/electrostatic-discharge-how-to-fail-2402779 |
| 20:57.20 | mikma | cairenn: cleverassmotherbiatch? |
| 20:57.42 | mikma | imma gonna watch that video i linked again |
| 20:57.43 | mikma | is funny |
| 20:57.59 | Cairenn | mikma: watching it now ... |
| 20:58.31 | ccox | LOL |
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| 20:58.58 | Cairenn | Okay, ummm, is this supposed to be serious? It's a spoof, right? |
| 20:59.14 | Maldivia | mikma: or are you suggesting the C-word is circuit-board? |
| 20:59.56 | mikma | cairenn: zap |
| 21:00.44 | Cairenn | heh |
| 21:04.20 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2013/01/idiot-moron-facebooks-his-drunk-driving.php |
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| 21:12.15 | Ackis | I wonder how bad this will fuck up: symbolic link from a network drive to a local folder which resides in a dropbox folder that autosyncs |
| 21:12.46 | Unkle | Sounds like fun. |
| 21:12.57 | Ackis | all on Windows 8 |
| 21:12.57 | mikma | nothing bad, keep on moving |
| 21:20.13 | TC-work | Seems convoluted. |
| 21:22.07 | Ackis | I suppose I could've just put the dropbox on the file server itself |
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| 21:47.42 | TC-work | wow...I started typing 'How to kick puppet' and the auto fill was 'How to kick puppies' |
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| 21:51.48 | Ackis | apparently CS2 wasn't free? |
| 21:52.42 | Ressy | oh? |
| 21:53.36 | Ackis | you're only entitled to download it with that file/SN if you already own it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2013/01/07/download-adobe-cs2-applications-for-free/ |
| 21:54.14 | Ressy | Thats pretty fail, as they were providing serials |
| 22:03.01 | Ackis | is it just me or does the geosynchronous world spinner look like a vibrator? |
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| 22:08.06 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-x9ygQEGA |
| 22:08.45 | Rythal | rawr |
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| 22:15.24 | pompy1 | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151402267615421&set=a.165430260420.157522.39537220420&type=1 |
| 22:16.04 | Cairenn | mikma: hehehe, yeah, I love those |
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| 22:17.06 | TC-work | That one had an odd 40 second intermission of comments in the middle. |
| 22:17.23 | Amarande | Bloody ashes. I'm starting to not believe ARL anymore wrt a couple of items. :| |
| 22:18.48 | pompy1 | like which?/////// |
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| 22:20.31 | kd3 | <3 http://penny-arcade.com/2013/01/07/childs-play-infosplosion |
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| 22:20.57 | Amarande | pompy: the schematics for the Felsteel Boomstick and the Flawless Arcanite Rifle |
| 22:34.49 | VIad | Amarande: |
| 22:38.44 | VIad | http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/12/05 |
| 22:40.26 | Ackis | Amarande: anytime you have an issue with a recipe please please please ticket it so we can look at it |
| 22:43.59 | Gnarfoz | don't forget to include an essay detailing the problem |
| 22:44.38 | ccox | hand written, double spaced, single sided pages with 1 inch margins |
| 22:44.55 | Gnarfoz | nah, like the usual IRC thing |
| 22:45.43 | ccox | (gotta stop helping my niece write college applications...) |
| 22:45.57 | kd3 | hand-written? ugh |
| 22:46.15 | kd3 | curse my illegible handwriting |
| 22:47.05 | Xandr | Anyone got a clue what I'm gonna call the wifi in my new place? |
| 22:47.35 | kd3 | "FBI Undercover Operations" |
| 22:48.57 | ccox | wifi_honeypot_7 |
| 22:50.26 | durcyn | like your average schmuck knows or cares what a honeypot is |
| 22:50.58 | Xandr | Yeah, we're talking Ireland here. Don't expect too much of the locals. |
| 22:51.27 | durcyn | extra points for http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 22:51.58 | Amarande | Ackis: the problem is determining if it really doesn't drop anymore or not (I'm pretty sure I'm just unlucky on the Felsteel Boomstick, but some of the wowhead comments about the Flawless Arcanite Rifle recipe suggest it might actually be retired) |
| 23:02.00 | Torhal | Fact of the matter is: We try to keep up on as much as we can, but with the sheer volume of recipes and acquire methods... |
| 23:02.28 | Torhal | So "not believing" is a bit melodramatic. |
| 23:02.37 | Torhal | Amarande: ^ |
| 23:02.52 | TC-work | Xandr: IRA-001? |
| 23:06.37 | ccox | Xandr - then name it after a Welsh football team |
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| 23:09.37 | Rythal | Why didn't someone warn me i'd want to slit my wrists taking over carb |
| 23:12.11 | Torhal | Rythal: I would have, but I figured someone mad enough to do so would be mad enough not to listen/ |
| 23:12.26 | Torhal | Rythal: I seriously don't see that as a one person project unless that's ALL you do. |
| 23:12.58 | Torhal | I mean, hell, the original team was two dudes who I'm guessing knew one another's code. You're walking in blind. |
| 23:13.39 | Rythal | it's actually written by just one... faat did all the lua, haav wrote the datamining / bytecode conversion programs |
| 23:14.06 | foxlit | Rythal: mostly because you started by patching what is essentially someone else's binary. |
| 23:14.07 | VIad | durcyn: shame my router is stupid and has no interface to program it :( |
| 23:14.11 | Mr_Rabies | also they wrote it to be somewhat obfuscated so no one could cut into their profits originally, right? |
| 23:14.17 | foxlit | It's far more entertaining to watch the trainwreck. |
| 23:14.38 | durcyn | VIad: i did that at the office last april fools, was quite entertaining |
| 23:14.40 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: No, they ran LuaSrcDiet on it after the fact. Rythal has the full source. |
| 23:15.01 | Rythal | it's all the bytecode that's driving me crazy |
| 23:15.33 | Torhal | Overengineering at its finest. Seriously: Figure out what it is actually doing (as opposed to what it was designed to handle) and rewrite it. |
| 23:15.35 | Arrowmaster | when Zorba did it, it was his full time job |
| 23:15.37 | VIad | can I run luasrcdiet on all my deployed addon code? :D |
| 23:15.40 | foxlit | don't call it bytecode unless it's actually executable instructions |
| 23:15.40 | Amarande | Yeah, that's the trouble with taking over other projects. You have to figure out how the other people engineered it. |
| 23:15.43 | foxlit | the right term is "binary data" |
| 23:15.53 | Amarande | This is why when I start coding something, usually the FIRST thing I do is document it before I even start to code. |
| 23:15.55 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: ZorbaTHut never touched Carbonite as far as I know... |
| 23:16.10 | Amarande | heh, this has led to some interesting project situations, pretty much the opposite of many other folks |
| 23:16.11 | Arrowmaster | oh i thought you ment questhelper |
| 23:16.19 | Amarande | Many people code stuff and don't ever get around to documenting it |
| 23:16.32 | Amarande | Myself, I have multiple times documented a program I was going to write and never got around to coding it, go figure ROFL |
| 23:16.34 | Torhal | Amarande: Best documentation IS the code. Whenever possible. |
| 23:16.49 | Torhal | None of this one-letter-variable bullshit. |
| 23:16.55 | Rythal | Torhal: that's what I'm trying to do right now, reverse the entire quest database.. but some of it just makes 0 sense in how it works. |
| 23:16.56 | Torhal | Name shit to make sense. |
| 23:17.00 | durcyn | oh hey Amarande's talking, afk for 3000 lines of spew |
| 23:17.09 | Torhal | durcyn: He's chilled a bit. |
| 23:17.11 | Torhal | So far. |
| 23:17.23 | haste | VIad: the addon policy has a section against obfuscated code |
| 23:17.36 | VIad | what if I include the code to un-obfuscate it? :< |
| 23:17.51 | Amarande | Mind you, my first steps into coding were pretty baptism-by-fire ones heh ... I pretty much started to learn C by looking through how ircd worked, as I remember. :) |
| 23:18.05 | Torhal | Rythal: So don't reverse-engineer it. Just write a new codepath based on how you THINK it's supposed to work. It'll be quite evident along the way if you've mssed anything. |
| 23:18.13 | Amarande | VIad: obfuscated code is bad. :) |
| 23:18.30 | Torhal | VIad: Then what is the point? |
| 23:18.44 | Amarande | the only time obfuscated code is really a good idea is under two circumstances 1) you gain a very substantial performance advantage therefrom that cannot be achieved with clearly readable code, or 2) you're entering something like the IOCCC |
| 23:19.01 | Torhal | Obfuscated != compiled. |
| 23:19.06 | Amarande | and tbh, I'm nowhere near advanced enough a programming engineer to think of a case where 1) is true |
| 23:19.16 | Torhal | What I said is #1 |
| 23:19.23 | Dagmar | Primarily interepreted languages. |
| 23:19.26 | Torhal | Compile that shit. You aren't reading it, but it's faster! |
| 23:19.28 | Rythal | obfuscated lua is no faster then normal... changing variable names isn't improving anything |
| 23:19.36 | Arrowmaster | 1 could be true on some embedded devices with very limited memory |
| 23:19.41 | Torhal | That's about it. |
| 23:19.51 | haste | VIad: enjoy debugging your errors. |
| 23:20.02 | Dagmar | Obfuscation doesn't necessarily make things run faster in most cases |
| 23:20.05 | Torhal | Rythal: I'm assuming you've postponed your modularization efforts? |
| 23:20.11 | Humbedooh | obfuscates Torhal's hairdo |
| 23:20.16 | Amarande | even then, there are some things to be said for not obsessing over 100% optimised performance |
| 23:20.17 | Torhal | Dagmar: Sure it does; new programmers to the fucking door. |
| 23:20.22 | Dagmar | I *can* on the other hand, make things more compact if you're really into ternary. |
| 23:20.28 | Dagmar | er It can |
| 23:20.29 | Arrowmaster | changing variables to shorter names saves a few bytes but not enough to make a difference unless you are really limited |
| 23:20.39 | Amarande | a good example being Microsoft's decision to use a Registry instead of an /etc structure like most other OS, which is a decision I find quite irritating, really, in the final analysis |
| 23:20.43 | Torhal | Makes a huge difference on documentation-via-code. |
| 23:20.48 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Ever programmed on a Commodore? |
| 23:20.54 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:21.00 | Dagmar | 38K RAM. |
| 23:21.03 | Arrowmaster | my first computer was an ibm clone |
| 23:21.10 | Amarande | ahh, good old 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE. READY. |
| 23:21.13 | Arrowmaster | at least that i remember |
| 23:21.22 | Dagmar | You learned to love typing ? "This string." instead of PRINT "This string." or pR "This string." |
| 23:21.30 | Unkle | START 8,* |
| 23:21.33 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually, that didn't save a single byte |
| 23:21.49 | Amarande | Commodore BASIC tokenised keywords, so both ? and PRINT were saved as the same single-byte value |
| 23:21.50 | Dagmar | PRINT would acutally be tokenized into pR, so yes. It did save bytes. |
| 23:22.11 | Torhal | 10 PRINT "MY FUCKING EYES!" |
| 23:22.23 | Rythal | Torhal: yes and no... my current path is to get quests decrypted so it's not affected by the zone limitation anymore, then i'm going to redo the configuration to aceconfig and do the first split off of quests into it's own module for it. |
| 23:22.56 | Amarande | Where you COULD get the biggest advantage from ? is if you needed to cram a lot into one program line. |
| 23:23.03 | VIad | I ran some file trough luasrcdiet then trough saikets luaformatter and saw what happened :P |
| 23:23.03 | Arrowmaster | you dont have the code that create the binary data blobs? |
| 23:23.05 | Dagmar | Dude, 38K. |
| 23:23.06 | Unkle | Sounds like you'd really be better off using the old version as a reference and starting from scratch. |
| 23:23.18 | Rythal | I'm sure that's why they abandoned it .... they realized they couldn't add new quests either with the current code |
| 23:23.18 | Amarande | You couldn't go over 80 characters a line in CBM BASIC V2, and that was based on the full length of the keywords, not the tokens |
| 23:23.21 | Dagmar | I could and did exhaust that writing code in BASIC in under two hours. |
| 23:23.46 | Dagmar | I had to switch to assembly to even begin writing a decent interactive fiction parser. |
| 23:24.06 | Unkle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:24.14 | Torhal | Thankfully, I eschewed programming until ANSI C in the '90s |
| 23:24.22 | Torhal | Like, 1990. |
| 23:24.27 | Amarande | Unkle: two-word parsers aren't "decent" really |
| 23:24.49 | Amarande | well, heh, maybe back on the Commodore for non-Infocom games |
| 23:24.56 | Unkle | Amarande: No kidding. Welcome to 1983 state of the art. :) |
| 23:25.01 | Dagmar | My engine handled a lot more than just two words. |
| 23:25.03 | Amarande | of course, nowadays, any IF parser will invariably be compared to Inform and TADS, and thus invariably fail to measure up |
| 23:29.49 | Rythal | right now i'm trying to decide on how to format quests now... either as 1 string and parse a delimiter, or tables of tables ... table of tables would be much easier to work with, but memory usage would go up big time |
| 23:32.15 | TC-work | Now my co-worker want's to create bacon-flavored peanut butter. This is not ok. |
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| 23:34.16 | Torhal | Rythal: Balancing acts are FTW. Personally, I'd do the delimiter-based approach - at least until used. |
| 23:34.29 | Torhal | Then perhaps expand that out into actual table-based data. |
| 23:34.46 | Torhal | Cheap storage for a cache. |
| 23:42.14 | Amarande | dangit. most of the time I like playing a mage, but sometimes it's a real pain in the bum. :| |
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| 23:42.40 | Amarande | like ... apparently we're one of the classes that can't farm sunwell trash even at 90. |
| 23:43.03 | kd3 | You can farm sunwell trash up to brutallus |
| 23:43.18 | kd3 | brutallus will stomp you into a fine paste (speaking from experience) |
| 23:44.10 | TC-work | should a symlink have the ability to have different ownership from the file it references? |
| 23:44.23 | Arrowmaster | what os |
| 23:44.31 | Arrowmaster | symlinks in linux/unix dont have permissions |
| 23:44.33 | TC-work | centos |
| 23:45.14 | Amarande | kd3: I'm still not even sure how you deal with the blood elf groups at the start |
| 23:45.21 | kd3 | aoe. lots of aoe |
| 23:45.23 | TC-work | It's coloring as a symlink but i also know it's doing some convoluted thing through svn |
| 23:45.40 | Amarande | actually, the crux isn't that. they're weaker HP-wise than Pandaria regular quest mobs, heh |
| 23:45.55 | Amarande | the problem is that you have no way of surviving once the hunter gets off Slaying Shot, and no practical way of keeping him from doing this |
| 23:45.58 | TC-work | and it has different ownership than the source file which is really weird |
| 23:46.51 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: yeah you can have symlinks have a different owner |
| 23:46.52 | Amarande | The little bit of HP you have left by Ice Barrier soaking some of it isn't enough. There's also no way to keep him from *using* Slaying Shot, either |
| 23:47.11 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: dont ask me how that works though |
| 23:47.22 | TC-work | and by owner you mean group as well yes? |
| 23:47.27 | Amarande | given that in order for Arcane Barrage to do enough to one-shot blitz him right away, you need to deal about 120k damage in a shot, and although full-charged AB does do that, you don't have time to get your arcane charges up |
| 23:47.55 | Amarande | I presume back in the day you might have been able to stop it by getting in the hunter's face, but now that 5.0 allows point-blank shooting, that's a no go too |
| 23:48.10 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: yes, you can change the ownership and group of a symlink with chmod -h |
| 23:48.49 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: ah hah, thanks. |
| 23:49.07 | kd3 | or you just spam heals on whoever gets hit (the tank, generally) |
| 23:49.10 | Amarande | hrm. wonder if he can be CC'd, though I'm doubting it, there was a tendency for BC raid trash to be immune to it and wowhead is indicating the hunters were the first *kill* target, logically something like this would be CC'd if it could be |
| 23:49.23 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, we're mainly thinking of solo trash strategy at 90 here |
| 23:49.32 | Amarande | but it looks like you might actually have to be a class with healing abilities to do it still |
| 23:49.52 | Amarande | one more expansion will do it perhaps, since I suspect we'll one-shot 120k HP by then |
| 23:51.03 | Amarande | Figured I'd go in and slaughter some trash and try to get some high-value recipes and maybe the hardened khorium book. Instead I got an 18-22g repair bill LOL |
| 23:52.19 | Amarande | heh khorium. for all the ways I've said Blizzard hates us, at least we don't have to deal with that stuff anymore :D |
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| 23:56.37 | TC-work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1190492478/neon-server-control-panel-for-websites-and-adminis interesting |
| 23:57.40 | Rythal | sunwell? I duo it hunter/warrior, and solo the trash with no problem.. just target the hunters first, there's only 1 per group. |
| 23:59.06 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: meh |
