| 00:00.07 | cbreak | they should not overrun unless they did something stupid with the partitioning |
| 00:00.11 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: with half dedicated to the manufacturer |
| 00:00.29 | cbreak | -> give big manufacturers multiple addresses |
| 00:00.37 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: cheap chinese hardware reuses mac addresses |
| 00:00.45 | cbreak | morons. |
| 00:01.01 | cbreak | I guess they never want to sell two things to the same customer :) |
| 00:01.09 | Arrowmaster | they dont want to buy another manufacturer block |
| 00:01.35 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: you... what? :D that sounds almost good enough for a side-plot in a cheap sci-fi tv show. |
| 00:01.43 | Arrowmaster | or theres the hardware that uses 00-00-00-00-00-00 until software tells it to use a different MAC |
| 00:02.21 | cbreak | my routers support MAC cloning. |
| 00:02.46 | cbreak | but they all claim to have their own, original one too |
| 00:03.54 | Arrowmaster | ive seen some weird shit with MAC addresses |
| 00:06.24 | Fisker | kicks Gnarfoz |
| 00:06.30 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: is it worth filing a ticket? |
| 00:06.43 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: against FascistGnome? |
| 00:06.46 | foxlit | yep |
| 00:06.53 | Gnarfoz | no, I'll neuter it later |
| 00:07.13 | foxlit | is Rabbit you? :) |
| 00:07.27 | Gnarfoz | nah, that's vhaarr |
| 00:07.44 | Gnarfoz | but he's not around too much currently |
| 00:07.59 | Arrowmaster | rabbit = vhaarr, otravi = haste |
| 00:08.06 | Arrowmaster | been that way forever |
| 00:08.08 | kd3 | mmm... something about moving and how (almost) everything I am fits into a 6x12 uhaul trailer |
| 00:08.09 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure he'll flame me for being too lazy to replace it with something that works later, but *shrug* :p |
| 00:08.20 | foxlit | I'm blissfully ignorant of the wowace community :) |
| 00:08.35 | foxlit | But I'm thinking that a writeup somewhere might be helpful anyway |
| 00:08.44 | Gnarfoz | certainly |
| 00:08.58 | Gnarfoz | in my addons dir, Bagnon and Prat and SilverDragon also use UIFrameFlash |
| 00:09.05 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i just watched a uhaul try to back into the driveway across the street |
| 00:09.14 | Arrowmaster | was a good laugh |
| 00:09.29 | kd3 | I'm sure. it's amazing how many drivers don't know how to tow |
| 00:09.42 | Arrowmaster | no this was a truck |
| 00:09.58 | foxlit | Well, that covers a wide range of things. |
| 00:10.15 | kd3 | heh. one of the giganto-trucks? probably driven by someone who (until then) has never driven anything larger than a mid-size car |
| 00:10.19 | kd3 | (been there, done that) |
| 00:10.46 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder where a good place to put this would be. |
| 00:12.27 | foxlit | EU UI Forums. That's bound to be useful and totally not going to be ignored by everyone. |
| 00:12.46 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:12.53 | foxlit | Does wowi have a list of something like "top 200 downloaded addons in the last X months"? |
| 00:12.55 | Gnarfoz | do it there and have someone crosspost it on US |
| 00:13.37 | Gnarfoz | nebula169 or MysticalOS will probably help out |
| 00:13.52 | Gnarfoz | (...one of you is a MVP, right?) |
| 00:14.13 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: o nickname translator, please translate: Omegal |
| 00:14.21 | Arrowmaster | no fucking clue |
| 00:14.24 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 00:14.29 | Arrowmaster | only mvp i know of in here is blue |
| 00:15.19 | Gnarfoz | it's MysticalOS |
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| 00:18.29 | Fisker | Apple need a cup of shut the fuck up |
| 00:18.38 | Fisker | A filing published by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office on Thursday reveals that Apple is looking to patent the iOS Notification Center, a feature similar to Google's Notification Bar which allows mobile device users to keep tabs on a multitude of apps from a central hub. |
| 00:20.54 | Gnarfoz | nice |
| 00:22.24 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you see the monogatari post on reddit? |
| 00:22.57 | kd3 | nah, sec |
| 00:22.58 | Fisker | i'm going to sleep Arrowmaster |
| 00:23.26 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: did you ever ask google now "what is really good"? |
| 00:23.37 | kd3 | the top post in /r/anime? yeah, that was pretty funny |
| 00:24.29 | Arrowmaster | somebody was commenting about nise in it and i asked if the toothbrush scene was in the LN and if it was translated |
| 00:24.40 | Arrowmaster | all i got back was a "Yes and yes" without links :( |
| 00:25.02 | kd3 | http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/15ypea/rewatching_bakemonogatari_after_watching/ |
| 00:25.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 00:25.33 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 00:25.40 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: do it |
| 00:25.42 | Fisker | don't have google now siri clone |
| 00:25.42 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/729878/razer-reveals-its-new-sabretooth-xbox-360-controller/ |
| 00:25.50 | Fisker | or whatever you wanna call it |
| 00:25.58 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: but you have an N4 dont you? |
| 00:26.06 | Fisker | yes |
| 00:45.44 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i just found r/animenocontext im having a great laugh |
| 00:48.28 | foxlit | End_: heh, I can reproduce the id error too |
| 00:51.38 | MysticalOS | staticpopup is a pain in the ass. I got a reply from a high up dev who's stance on it was pretty much "addons shouldn't be using it, period, and if they stop the problem stops" |
| 00:51.59 | pompy | https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/282559474869358592 .. |
| 00:52.12 | MysticalOS | they are finally doing something with uidropdwn in 5.2 but for staticpopup they are pretty much standing on a "stop using ours cause we aren't fixing it" |
| 00:52.17 | MysticalOS | for making problem go away |
| 00:52.32 | MysticalOS | and since MOST addons use it, including ace3, that stance isn't going over well |
| 00:52.45 | End_ | foxlit: reliably? |
| 00:52.50 | foxlit | yes |
| 00:52.57 | End_ | and the cause is? |
| 00:53.00 | End_ | or at least in your case? |
| 00:53.08 | End_ | or have you not gotten that far |
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| 00:54.06 | foxlit | not that far along |
| 00:54.18 | End_ | well I'll be interesting to hear what you find out |
| 00:54.52 | foxlit | ah, no, it's easy |
| 00:55.08 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16408/Blizzard_TalentUI/Blizzard_TalentUI.lua#39 |
| 00:55.18 | foxlit | RemoveTalent throws an error due to taint |
| 00:55.21 | End_ | oh I know that |
| 00:55.24 | foxlit | self is a closed StaticPopup |
| 00:55.34 | foxlit | (you can guess what happens next!) |
| 00:55.42 | End_ | but why the hell is .data getting messed with is my question |
| 00:55.51 | End_ | I have not been able to determine who or what changed it |
| 00:55.52 | MysticalOS | staticpopupdialog is the problem |
| 00:56.00 | foxlit | the default ui error handler, noticing the taint error (all of this happens while RemoveTalent is running), opens... a StaticPopup |
| 00:56.21 | End_ | I'm not using the default error handler though :< |
| 00:56.23 | foxlit | in fact, the very same StaticPopup that contained your "are you sure you want to change your talents?" dialog |
| 00:56.32 | MysticalOS | yes |
| 00:56.38 | foxlit | which overwrites self.data |
| 00:56.58 | foxlit | so when the next line does _SelectTalent(self.data.id), it tries to do "OffendingAddon".id, gets nil, and calls the function with that. |
| 00:57.06 | End_ | hm |
| 00:57.18 | End_ | okay, I guess I was wrong about some stuff! |
| 00:57.26 | MysticalOS | yeah, i seen that with ace3 a lot |
| 00:57.32 | MysticalOS | the error actually nils out on ace3 |
| 00:57.36 | foxlit | (it's not actually the error handler -- it's what's handling ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN) |
| 00:57.36 | MysticalOS | when it shouldn't even be looking there |
| 00:57.59 | End_ | I really thought bugsack prevented that from running though |
| 00:58.34 | foxlit | simple fix/check: UIParent:UnregisterEvent("ADDON_ACTION_FORBIDDEN") |
| 00:58.35 | MysticalOS | bugsack ran taints, then someone coded them out, then someone coded them back in cause they actually want to see taints that are relevant |
| 00:58.46 | MysticalOS | at least that's what i recall reading from change log |
| 01:00.34 | End_ | well okay bugsack doesn't do anything |
| 01:00.37 | End_ | about it |
| 01:00.47 | End_ | which I guess makes sense kinda |
| 01:01.14 | End_ | hm |
| 01:01.37 | End_ | does execution normally continue after a function errors do to taint? |
| 01:01.40 | End_ | due* |
| 01:02.28 | foxlit | Depends. |
| 01:02.50 | MysticalOS | often you have to reloadui to change a glyph. but you can change a talent despite the taint |
| 01:03.33 | foxlit | End_: but typically, yes. The event is fired in place of a function call, then execution returns to normal. |
| 01:03.55 | End_ | actually yeah I guess that matches what I've seen |
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| 01:04.05 | End_ | such as when I see CRF errors |
| 01:04.12 | End_ | it's always a ton of hides/shows at once |
| 01:04.24 | foxlit | MysticalOS: that wording seems odd to me. What does "despite" mean in this case? It somehow recovers? |
| 01:05.08 | End_ | and it never lets me change talents that I can see |
| 01:05.27 | End_ | after taint I mean |
| 01:05.31 | MysticalOS | when i go to unlearn a talent, staticpopup fires and it taints, telling me disable or ignore, but i still unlearned talent anyways |
| 01:05.36 | MysticalOS | then i can just learn new one |
| 01:05.40 | MysticalOS | and ignore the taint |
| 01:05.56 | End_ | hm that's not what seems to happen for me |
| 01:05.56 | MysticalOS | but if it's a glyph, it doesn't remove/change glyph when taint happens you HAVE to reloadui first |
| 01:05.57 | End_ | although |
| 01:05.59 | foxlit | that does not make sense. |
| 01:06.02 | End_ | it does say I have unlearned talents |
| 01:06.22 | MysticalOS | i actually do unlearn it, cause it lets me choose a diff one and click "learn" |
| 01:06.24 | End_ | but since the talent ui thinks the talent is still learned, I can never do anything |
| 01:06.28 | MysticalOS | i only have to reload for glyphs |
| 01:06.35 | MysticalOS | hmm |
| 01:06.39 | foxlit | I think your issue is different. |
| 01:06.41 | MysticalOS | might hav varying cases of severity |
| 01:06.46 | End_ | quite possibly |
| 01:06.51 | kd3 | I don't think I've ever seen this video before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo1ZtpKqlYw |
| 01:06.54 | MysticalOS | i also do modify every installed addon to use preferedindex 4 to reduce frequency of taint |
| 01:06.57 | MysticalOS | possibly severity of it? |
| 01:07.17 | End_ | I did that as well, although it didn't seem to make any difference |
| 01:07.27 | foxlit | That's mostly an urban myth |
| 01:07.36 | MysticalOS | it seemed to make a diff but only if EVERY installed addon,not just the ones it often listed |
| 01:08.38 | foxlit | Or at least I haven't yet met anyone capable of producing a reliable test case demonstrating that that key is effective. |
| 01:10.46 | End_ | well anyway |
| 01:10.59 | End_ | I've turned off the static popup that shows when I get a taint error |
| 01:11.10 | End_ | sounds like that should make the id error not occur |
| 01:11.17 | TC-work | http://www.rikeripsum.com/#/ipsum |
| 01:11.26 | End_ | don't expect any effect on the actual not being able to unlearn a talent of course |
| 01:11.33 | foxlit | End_: yes, that sounds right. |
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| 01:20.25 | End_ | hm |
| 01:20.27 | End_ | ok |
| 01:20.33 | End_ | UIFrameFlash seems to be my issue |
| 01:20.36 | End_ | haha |
| 01:21.23 | End_ | fresh reloads, force silverdragon to trigger, can't change talents |
| 01:25.02 | VIad | installed cm10.1 on my galaxy s2 and got some nice features and lost some nice samsung stock apps :P I did manage to transfer at least the memo app over, hehe |
| 01:28.11 | Arrowmaster | nothing touchwiz is nice |
| 01:29.10 | VIad | I think so too :) |
| 01:29.26 | Arrowmaster | i got an email from steam telling me something on my wishlist is on sale, except its the exact same price its been the entire sale |
| 01:29.27 | VIad | even got a touchwiz skin on the current CM10.1 |
| 01:29.43 | Arrowmaster | eww |
| 01:30.01 | VIad | I like a little color, by default all icons are colorless :( |
| 01:31.48 | durcyn | Gnarfoz: what? compress it and ship it over then. |
| 01:51.36 | foxlit | okay, one mystery remains: where does the UIFrameFlash code keep its dirty underwear? |
| 01:54.40 | Semlar | will SetAttribute taint an action button |
| 01:54.46 | End_ | shouldn't |
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| 02:29.12 | foxlit | So I think it's here: http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16408/TalentFrameBase.lua#150 |
| 02:29.55 | foxlit | But I can't point to anything in particular in http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16408/UIParent.lua#2867 that would cause a problem. |
| 02:31.15 | foxlit | FLASHFRAMES is empty. It'll still access FLASHFRAMES[1]. That should be nil. issecurevariable is lying to me :/ |
| 02:32.45 | foxlit | it converts to a string key. I should've known :/ |
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| 03:12.47 | Gnarfoz | durcyn: foxlit already took it apart, hence the UIFrameFlash discussion of earlier, but if you want it, too, it's still here: http://geektour.de/~smallbrain/wow/mop/fascistgnome_taint.7z |
| 03:13.07 | kd3 | it's amazing how quiet /2 is on the ptr now that word's gotten out that nothing works |
| 03:21.44 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 03:22.54 | foxlit | MysticalOS: they are finally doing something with uidropdwn in 5.2 << I'd like to take a moment to address this: if what's live on the PTR is all they're doing for uidropdown, it's not going to fix the problems people are having. |
| 03:23.56 | foxlit | It'll maybe allow for your unit frames to have a working Set Focus option in the context menu. Which is nice, but it's not really the end of all related taint issues. |
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| 03:38.52 | MysticalOS | foxlit, but are there any other anymore? I just don't see those taints anymore. maybe raid flares too i guess |
| 03:40.14 | foxlit | raid flares were moved to SABT in 4.3, so they aren't an issue. |
| 03:41.18 | foxlit | So yeah, you're right -- there aren't any obvious "click a dropdown, oops tainted!" problems anymore. |
| 03:42.29 | foxlit | However, UIDropdownMenu is used all over FrameXML, which gives it the ability to taint just about anything, which it still does. |
| 03:42.42 | foxlit | The CompactRaidFrame:Show() stuff? UIDropdownMenu. |
| 03:43.00 | foxlit | InterfaceOptionsFrame? Probably UIDropdownMenu. |
| 03:51.09 | kd3 | ugh. norovirus outbreaks are unfun |
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| 04:52.51 | kd3 | it's been... 16 years? but this: ugh... http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3sfru0/ |
| 05:00.33 | Dagmar | Finally got that awkward knock on the door, eh? |
| 05:01.28 | kd3 | lol |
| 05:01.43 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151288051265983 |
| 05:01.56 | pompy | so its -9F and he's wearing a short sleeve shirt. |
| 05:02.41 | kd3 | boiling water -> subzero air? always fun to watch |
| 05:03.40 | kd3 | and the woman has never seen this before? |
| 05:03.47 | Dagmar | I anxiously await the videos of rednecks who will fail utterly when presented with the prospect of safely handling boiling water. |
| 05:04.11 | pompy | haha |
| 05:07.10 | Sintacks | yay. i got my name on WoW back after xfering to a server where it was taken |
| 05:07.25 | Sintacks | but now i have to try to get them to give me a free name change ... |
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| 05:18.42 | karl_w_w | anyone know how i can change my location in firefox? |
| 05:19.38 | Shirik | just had the best ramen ever |
| 05:21.43 | karl_w_w | the best prayer? |
| 05:21.58 | Shirik | wat? |
| 05:21.59 | kd3 | location as in...? |
| 05:22.05 | kd3 | RAmen, shirik |
| 05:22.08 | pompy | http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/geolocation/ that? |
| 05:22.14 | pompy | karl_w_w: ? |
| 05:22.51 | karl_w_w | yes pompy |
| 05:23.40 | karl_w_w | there is an addon for it |
| 05:24.03 | pompy | http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/913178 |
| 05:25.47 | karl_w_w | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/geolocater/ |
| 05:28.10 | karl_w_w | pretty awesome addon actually |
| 05:29.51 | Arrowmaster | ohh thats a good deal http://store.steampowered.com/sub/18354/ |
| 05:31.19 | karl_w_w | is today the last day or tomorrow? |
| 05:34.06 | pompy | 12.5 hrs left |
| 05:34.11 | pompy | but they are doing a 2 day encore |
| 05:34.47 | pompy | as per http://store.steampowered.com/news/9690/ |
| 05:35.20 | Arrowmaster | encore of popular items so grab everything thats only been on normal sale and not daily/flash/community sale now before it goes away |
| 05:36.25 | Arrowmaster | ive got a cart with solar2, dungeons of dredmor dlc, trine2 dlc, the bards tale, cipher prime bundle right now about to get it all |
| 05:37.11 | Arrowmaster | trying to think if ive missed anything with linux versions or possible linux versions in the future |
| 05:38.26 | pompy | Arrowmaster: i was gunna gift you awesomenauts but it didnt have a linux version. |
| 05:38.56 | karl_w_w | daww it's true love |
| 05:39.29 | Arrowmaster | you can buy it for me next time its on sale for even cheaper |
| 05:39.32 | pompy | more like part of the christmas sale badge activity thingys! |
| 05:40.07 | Arrowmaster | you know you can buy something as a gift, redeem it for yourself, and still get the badge |
| 05:40.23 | pompy | lol |
| 05:40.50 | pompy | you only needed 4 of the 6 anyway for the badge.. kinda weird, but oh weel |
| 05:40.53 | pompy | well* |
| 05:42.55 | Arrowmaster | i had 4/6 the first day |
| 05:43.07 | Arrowmaster | or second |
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| 05:43.31 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:43.41 | Shirik | United just paid ME for changing my flight one week before the flight |
| 05:43.46 | Shirik | that's atypical for an airline |
| 05:44.03 | Shirik | and by "paid me" it's actually a voucher for a future flight, but given the amount of flying I do, that's good enough for me |
| 05:44.16 | Arrowmaster | you where changing from an overbooked to an underbooked flight? |
| 05:44.36 | Shirik | dunno, all I know is I had the wrong date |
| 05:44.43 | Shirik | so I had to change it |
| 05:44.47 | Shirik | and then they're like "The amount of $42.60will be refunded to a United Airlines Travel Certificate ." |
| 05:45.46 | Arrowmaster | i thought you said there was a $150 fee for changing or something |
| 05:46.01 | Arrowmaster | you mentioned $150 to change it or $150 for a hotel room |
| 05:46.05 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:46.26 | Shirik | they failed to mention that there would be a refund too |
| 05:46.37 | Shirik | so when I actually went through with it they were like "actually we owe you money" |
| 05:46.42 | Shirik | so I'm glad I picked this option :P |
| 05:48.17 | Shirik | woah, "Switzerland's oldest bank, Wegelin & Co. (headquarters pictured), announces it will close after being fined by U.S. authorities for enabling tax evasion." |
| 05:49.34 | Arrowmaster | next week a ship anchor is going to cut the under sea cable providing internet access to the cayman islands |
| 05:51.23 | Arrowmaster | im upto 47 games in the linux section of my steam library, i wonder if theres any more |
| 06:00.19 | karl_w_w | i bet there are |
| 06:02.33 | kd3 | hm. I need to do more purchasing. I'm up to 28 |
| 06:06.53 | Arrowmaster | damnit humble bundle, why am i finding out from a blog post that a game in the 2nd indie bundle was finally relased, they should have sent emails about that and waking mars getting on steam |
| 06:08.25 | Arrowmaster | ok redeemed that key and still at 47 |
| 06:08.37 | Arrowmaster | kd3: you can install spiral knights for free on steam linux |
| 06:09.16 | kd3 | hm. maybe when I wake up |
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| 06:14.12 | pompy | Arrowmaster: happy wars is free on xbla lol |
| 06:15.15 | Arrowmaster | its always been free |
| 06:16.08 | pompy | nice |
| 06:16.53 | pompy | so they are doing 12 games for the encore? do you think magicka will be one of them at 75% off? i wanna pick up the late 2011 and 2012 dlc for that game |
| 06:17.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont think the encore will include anything that wasnt already a daily/flash/community deal |
| 06:19.15 | pompy | that would mean that nothing will be apat of the encore then.. |
| 06:19.23 | pompy | those were the only 3 types of sales during it |
| 06:19.27 | pompy | ! |
| 06:21.16 | pompy | Arrowmaster: did you see that Turtle Beach contest on xbl? bunch of avatar items to unlock and it enters you to win headsets or ms points |
| 06:24.32 | Arrowmaster | i might have, they are always running those |
| 06:27.40 | pompy | (1/5/2013 12:51:06 AM) Arrowmaster: im upto 47 games in the linux section of my steam library, i wonder if theres any more ----> http://steamlinux.flibitijibibo.com/#01_steam.txt ? |
| 06:29.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah theres about 10 more i dont have |
| 06:30.02 | pompy | wonder why they havent made torchlight 2's sale available yet that won... |
| 06:30.04 | pompy | lol |
| 06:30.16 | pompy | the final comm choice sale |
| 06:32.47 | Arrowmaster | actually i think it is on sale |
| 06:32.49 | Arrowmaster | check the price |
| 06:32.56 | Arrowmaster | and im going to bed |
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| 06:56.44 | Sintacks | lettiong someone use your account is against terms and shit ... i wonder if it's in there some where, that using someone elses account puts your own at risk |
| 06:57.58 | karl_w_w | makes Sintacks use his account |
| 07:00.11 | bluworkcow | *haxxors sintack's account* |
| 07:00.31 | bluworkcow | *fills toon limit up with Panda Monks* |
| 07:00.59 | karl_w_w | discombobulates bluworkcow |
| 07:04.46 | bluworkcow | ooooohhhh |
| 07:04.50 | bluworkcow | you fancy worded me |
| 07:04.54 | bluworkcow | have no idea what that means |
| 07:14.26 | karl_w_w | that's why it works bluworkcow |
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| 07:53.00 | Primer | Anyone having game hang on entering instances? |
| 07:53.16 | Primer | I'm getting them every time zoning into MV now |
| 07:57.11 | mikma | try tunning the error fix |
| 07:57.15 | mikma | running* |
| 08:04.53 | Sintacks | Why do I randomly get logged out on WoWHead every few weeks or something :| |
| 08:06.05 | cogwheel | zomgsecurity? |
| 08:06.15 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.33 | Fisker | cogwheel |
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| 08:17.16 | karl_w_w | its because wowhead hates everybody |
| 08:25.58 | mikma | http://hackaday.com/2013/01/04/is-entropy-slowing-down-your-android-device/ |
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| 08:42.02 | Adys | Anyone knows how to add more than one keyboard layout to switch between using just xorg.conf? |
| 08:45.12 | bluworkcow | very carefully. with a shovel. |
| 08:47.44 | mikma | Y U NO TNT |
| 08:47.48 | Humbedooh | oh u funny, cow |
| 08:58.52 | Fisker | this google vs. microsoft thing is exciting |
| 09:02.20 | karl_w_w | what thing Fisker? |
| 09:03.03 | bluworkcow | it's a thing ? news to me. |
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| 09:07.32 | Mr_Rabies | man i probably shouldn't still be using candystripehealth but it's so great :< |
| 09:08.44 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/candystripehealth |
| 09:08.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's.....pretty outdated |
| 09:11.48 | Fisker | the thing where Google is basically destroying Microsoft |
| 09:11.49 | Fisker | :3 |
| 09:19.33 | Mr_Rabies | Fisker |
| 09:19.48 | Fisker | Mr_Rabies |
| 09:24.20 | bleeter | just a bit of smoke haze http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/fierysunset.jpg |
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| 09:26.43 | Mr_Rabies | hmmmm |
| 09:26.48 | Mr_Rabies | what pet shall i tame |
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| 09:36.27 | bluworkcow | i go bai bais nows |
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| 09:52.36 | karl_w_w | <Mr_Rabies> what pet shall i tame <- tame all the things |
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| 09:55.00 | Fisker | attacks |
| 10:06.44 | Fisker | consider yourself attacked karl_w_w |
| 10:14.33 | karl_w_w | calls the pohleese |
| 10:17.12 | karl_w_w | well, obviously, we have a rapist in lincoln park, he's climbin in yo windows snatchin yo people up tryin'a rape em. so y'all need to hide ya kids hide ya wife and hide ya husbancostheyrapineverybodyouthere |
| 10:22.06 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: tame a fisker |
| 10:27.04 | Mr_Rabies | Fisker doesn't want to be fed. It wants to hunt! |
| 10:30.24 | mikma | semlar: how's GPS going |
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| 11:27.55 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: also, the idea of putting a fisker on passive mode is a little worrying to me |
| 11:28.58 | karl_w_w | rocket mount is on our bmah |
| 11:29.27 | karl_w_w | we get all the coolest stuff |
| 11:30.25 | bleeter | if they put that on our bmah i'd cancel my sub |
| 11:33.57 | karl_w_w | why? |
| 11:50.57 | bleeter | 'argh another bloody thing on the bmah I have no interest in!11!11!!!' ;) |
| 12:03.11 | zenzelezz | "I played a movie for my son the other day so I could get some cleaning done without him being underfoot. I noticed shortly after that the sound coming from the other room was from a different movie than I played for him. I snuck up and watched for a few minutes and saw him use a trackpad to navigate to the stop and play buttons of different movies in his folder. I know it's only a matter of time before he realizes he can see all |
| 12:03.11 | zenzelezz | of the movies. I don't want him to have nightmares because he saw the T-1000 stab someone in the face." |
| 12:03.15 | zenzelezz | a.k.a. "I don't want him to discover my porn" |
| 12:04.35 | karl_w_w | does he not think parental controls are called parental controls for a reason? |
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| 12:41.01 | Semlar | mikma: i think i've finally figured out how to get a location for an object but i haven't finished putting it into a script |
| 12:41.34 | Semlar | needless to say it's not very straightforward |
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| 12:49.03 | Semlar | on the plus side i don't have to actually extract any files from the client to read them any more |
| 12:51.13 | karl_w_w | anyone want 28g 50s? |
| 12:53.16 | tzarc | wonder whether that's turning into the most commonly looted amount in-game |
| 12:53.48 | Semlar | loots karl_w_w |
| 12:55.14 | Semlar | a steamy romance novel? |
| 13:02.36 | bleeter | idly wonders how Blizz HQ would take it if I started sending them a paper zepplin kit every day... |
| 13:04.01 | Semlar | how would you feel if someone started sending you things every day |
| 13:05.18 | bleeter | probably similar to archaeologists who dig up books but can' |
| 13:05.22 | bleeter | t even look at the pages |
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| 13:06.36 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies, foxlit: my friend gives thumbs up on Spade. Thanks again guys :) |
| 13:06.37 | Fisker | there's no passive mode in the fisker transfer protocol bleeter |
| 13:07.47 | bleeter | which is why attempting to put fisker in passive would be a worry :) |
| 13:08.24 | Fisker | can't worry about whats not possible |
| 13:09.12 | bleeter | except that said fisker would be being operated by someone with clearly no idea what to do with it |
| 13:09.56 | bleeter | hmmm chatting to fisker makes me realise |
| 13:10.18 | bleeter | I'm his king still |
| 13:10.48 | bleeter | for some reason I'd forgotten that |
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| 13:52.38 | Sintacks | http://i.qkme.me/3sfoc1.jpg |
| 13:53.33 | nevcairiel | reading that hurts |
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| 14:03.40 | mikma | semlar: meaning, you don't have to keep a database of locations? |
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| 14:04.01 | Semlar | no, i have to get it out of the mpqs |
| 14:04.08 | Semlar | it's just really complicated |
| 14:05.51 | Semlar | mikma: what i mean is, i don't have to extract the dbc files from the mpqs to read them any more, i can just read them directly from the mpqs |
| 14:06.09 | mikma | semlar: well that's nice, but i hope it's worth the trouble :D |
| 14:06.17 | Semlar | probably not |
| 14:06.21 | mikma | semlar: cause you should release a beta of gps soon :P |
| 14:06.31 | mikma | just needs tomtom integration, lol |
| 14:06.38 | Semlar | but i can patch it now which i didn't do before |
| 14:06.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/jivHF.gif |
| 14:07.08 | Semlar | have a big list of numbers |
| 14:07.24 | mikma | 'nein' |
| 14:07.27 | Semlar | NEIN |
| 14:07.38 | Semlar | not on world map |
| 14:07.39 | mikma | scheisse, lederhosen. |
| 14:07.56 | Semlar | actually more of those should say that but i had to fix a few things |
| 14:08.30 | Semlar | basically if it's an instance it doesn't show up on the world map |
| 14:08.47 | Semlar | and if it doesn't exist but is in the database any way it doesn't show up on the world map |
| 14:09.34 | Semlar | there's a toooon of unused stuff |
| 14:09.36 | mikma | if not worldmap then print("instance, idiot") end |
| 14:10.13 | Semlar | well if it's an instance i'm cross referencing it with another file to see if i can get the entrance coordinates and which map that's on |
| 14:11.01 | mikma | there's propably no Y coords available, just X and Z |
| 14:12.21 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/OOgeC.gif these are from the instance database |
| 14:12.49 | Semlar | they either have a parent map and coordinates if they have an entrance portal or they don't |
| 14:13.02 | mikma | there's (UNSUDED) and [UNUSED], meh |
| 14:13.18 | mikma | plus a small tpyo |
| 14:13.22 | Semlar | if they don't have coordinates they won't even be in my database so it won't matter |
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| 14:13.51 | Semlar | none of the unused stuff should have coordinates listed |
| 14:13.56 | wereHamster | what is a small tpyo? Something to eat? |
| 14:14.06 | mikma | werehamster: look in your pants |
| 14:14.32 | Semlar | of course those coordinates should be a float i just haven't changed it from an integer yet |
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| 14:16.56 | Semlar | these are from the ptr so should be the veeeeeeeery latest stuffs |
| 14:17.10 | Semlar | a lot of it probably won't be used |
| 14:17.25 | mikma | atleast will be up to date when the ptr hits live |
| 14:17.29 | mikma | BAM! |
| 14:17.51 | Semlar | some of it is in there but not all tied together yet |
| 14:18.09 | Semlar | like there's some new maps that should be on the world map but aren't |
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| 14:27.01 | mikma | bluspacecow: boom |
| 14:27.10 | bluspacecow | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:27.16 | bluspacecow | *pinwheels into the distance* |
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| 15:18.02 | VIad | if you use galaxy s2, tell me what rom you use so I can look at it :P |
| 15:25.35 | Neffi | see if Paranoid Android has a stable ROM for the S2 |
| 15:25.39 | Neffi | it's a pretty sexy ROM |
| 15:26.41 | Neffi | It has multiple UI modes mimicking phone, tablet, and an in-between called "phablet". It can set UI mode, DPI density, and lots of other neat tweaks per-app. It's a very nice ROM from a UI standpoint. And I believe it's based on CM9. |
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| 15:29.04 | Arrowmaster | afaik paranoid isnt based on CM anymore |
| 15:30.40 | Neffi | meh |
| 15:30.45 | Neffi | AOKP and CM are also nice |
| 15:31.01 | Neffi | AOKP = CM9 with lots of extra features |
| 15:31.16 | Arrowmaster | AOKP just reset their patch list i think |
| 15:31.25 | Arrowmaster | starting from scratch |
| 15:31.52 | Arrowmaster | ive got CM10 on my Nexus S and stock 4.2 on my Nexus7 |
| 15:33.17 | Neffi | did CM9 accept some of the AOKP-unique features? |
| 15:33.20 | Neffi | CM10* |
| 15:33.31 | Arrowmaster | like what? |
| 15:33.38 | Neffi | UI coloring and shit |
| 15:33.43 | Neffi | there were a few, I dont remember them |
| 15:37.13 | tem | hahahahahhaahhaha http://i.imgur.com/shCj9.jpg |
| 15:37.57 | Neffi | i dont get what that is |
| 15:38.11 | tem | it's the output from a large test suite |
| 15:38.16 | tem | where only one test is failing |
| 15:38.25 | tem | each . is a passing test |
| 15:38.34 | Neffi | i should think that's preferable to many failing |
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| 15:56.16 | karl_w_w | I'm really having trouble getting motivated to earn valor lately |
| 15:56.39 | karl_w_w | and when I do get motivated I've lost interest by the time the queue actually pops |
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| 16:14.08 | pompy1 | Shirik: did you get the notif of the large alaska earthquake this early mornin? |
| 16:14.22 | pompy1 | http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/05/us/alaska-earthquake/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 |
| 16:18.44 | pompy1 | Arrowmaster: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/04/justice/ohio-rape-online-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 apparently Anonymous is involved in some way or another in this. |
| 16:19.34 | tem | karl_w_w, do you have enough friends to do a challenge mode? |
| 16:19.47 | tem | lately I've been running the daily challenge |
| 16:20.08 | tem | it's been fantastic. you get ~180 vp and I'm slowly getting closer to my silver mount |
| 16:21.24 | pompy1 | slowly! |
| 16:21.26 | pompy1 | always fun |
| 16:22.19 | tem | the silver progress is a side effect of getting vp |
| 16:23.05 | tem | soonish, we'll begin working on golds |
| 16:23.14 | tem | but for now we're just going through once |
| 16:27.06 | Arrowmaster | haha http://i.imgur.com/2qDh3.png |
| 16:27.36 | tem | lol\ |
| 16:31.23 | mikma | arrowmaster: neat |
| 16:51.14 | Fisker | not even a smile Arrowmaster |
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| 16:51.17 | Fisker | he probably set it up |
| 16:51.19 | Fisker | or photoshopped it |
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| 16:55.50 | karl_w_w | yeah tem but we're all slackers so it's rare to find everyone online :P |
| 16:55.56 | karl_w_w | or enough people anyway |
| 17:06.06 | karl_w_w | is the battle.net forum search broken? |
| 17:07.44 | karl_w_w | I guess it must be given this search doesnt work http://forums.battle.net/search.html?forumId=12013&stationId=3000&sid=3000&searchText=map |
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| 17:11.35 | VIad | thanks for the tip, Paranoid Android looks good too |
| 17:11.38 | VIad | but using CM10.1 atm |
| 17:12.22 | VIad | the "dark theme" don't work for messages :< |
| 17:12.28 | VIad | bah, I wish all the apps had a "dark theme" option |
| 17:12.33 | VIad | I prefer black over white :) |
| 17:12.47 | VIad | it's a phone anyway, why have white background with black letters :P |
| 17:15.42 | Neffi | Paranoid is really nice. It's about time a ROM did something out of the ordinary with the Android UI. |
| 17:16.05 | Neffi | It's something I'd really like to work on soon. Perhaps fork it. I've got a few ideas myself for the Framework. |
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| 17:24.35 | karl_w_w | <VIad> it's a phone anyway, why have white background with black letters :P |
| 17:24.59 | tem | CM10!? |
| 17:25.01 | karl_w_w | ^ some people enjoy pretending displays are paper |
| 17:25.08 | karl_w_w | as if eye strain isn't a thing |
| 17:25.19 | VIad | eye strain |
| 17:26.56 | VIad | I don't like the new calendar in jelly bean |
| 17:26.58 | VIad | white/gray :( |
| 17:27.05 | VIad | wish it had a dark theme option |
| 17:28.04 | VIad | all apps must have a light/dark theme option tbh, silly not to have |
| 17:30.22 | VIad | http://www.gizmobird.co.uk/images/samsung-galaxy-s2-review/samsung_galaxy_s2_calendar.jpg |
| 17:30.28 | VIad | I miss that calendar app, it's nice :( |
| 17:30.43 | tem | I had no idea CM10 had a stable release for my phone |
| 17:30.45 | VIad | showed with tiny icons what days had events from what calendars |
| 17:31.00 | tem | been running a CM9 from july for a while and been aching for an update to fix a couple issues |
| 17:31.03 | VIad | why are no calendar apps like this one? meh :( couldn't get the apk to run on CM10 either |
| 17:31.04 | karl_w_w | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/432981 this is one funny as fuck thread |
| 17:31.53 | karl_w_w | If there were NO white Ink, HOW could GREY be printed? |
| 17:31.53 | karl_w_w | Would that be be printing just shades of black or what? |
| 17:31.57 | VIad | lol, "can printers even print white?" |
| 17:35.43 | tem | fancy new boot animation |
| 17:39.31 | VIad | curious; if I restore the backup I made of my phone before I installed new OS, will everything revert back as if nothing has happened? |
| 17:40.04 | karl_w_w | doubts it |
| 17:42.03 | VIad | what is the point of the backup system? |
| 17:42.17 | VIad | just for the OS? |
| 17:44.27 | Industrial | Anyone got Calibre hooked up to Google Drive? |
| 17:44.44 | Industrial | guess I should just install calibre portable inside google drive and move the whole thing around ... |
| 17:47.50 | VIad | why are there nightly builds of something that last had a commit december 2012? :P |
| 17:47.58 | tem | bleh! |
| 17:48.30 | tem | VIad, where did voice to text go in CM10? |
| 17:48.34 | VIad | hmm, I don't understand, http://download.cyanogenmod.org/?type=nightly&device=i9100 says the file changes in size, but https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_samsung_i9100/commits/cm-10.1 has no commit history since dec 15 :S |
| 17:48.55 | VIad | tem I don't use voice stuff sadly, norwegian is not supported, hence I don't know how to help you :< |
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| 17:49.23 | tem | I used to have a little mic icon next to the keyboard and it did dictation |
| 17:49.25 | tem | it was _wonderful_ |
| 17:49.36 | tem | but it's gone in cm10 |
| 17:50.02 | VIad | before it was the samsung keyboard |
| 17:50.11 | VIad | now it's the android keyboard, at least if you had samsung and went to cm |
| 17:50.48 | VIad | if you drag the space on samsung you swap between languages, on the android keyboard you gotta open up menus and such :P |
| 17:55.25 | VIad | this is strange, I have problems seeing properly :S |
| 17:55.37 | VIad | like what happens when you get snow blind |
| 17:55.57 | VIad | same thing only I can't read the newspaper because of this :( |
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| 18:11.21 | Shirik | pompy1: Yup |
| 18:11.26 | Shirik | As well as the tsunami warning spam |
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| 18:17.34 | Elkano | I guess Steam screwed up for the moment: Sleeping Dogs got 91% off... http://store.steampowered.com/app/202170/ |
| 18:18.45 | Shirik | daily deal |
| 18:18.59 | foxlit | Elkano: I keep expecting Adam Jensen to show up in that trailer. |
| 18:19.30 | Elkano | Shirik, still I guess 91% is an error, you'd expect 75% or so... |
| 18:22.05 | nevcairiel | well it does come out a reasonable price of 4,49 |
| 18:22.28 | nevcairiel | considering its off from 49,99, seems like a deal to get :p |
| 18:23.01 | foxlit | heh, curse you, unary operators: a = - - - - 5 |
| 18:23.04 | Shirik | I dunno I've seen 90%+ before |
| 18:23.11 | Elkano | but have someone outside germany gift it to you then ;) |
| 18:23.14 | nevcairiel | anyone wanna gift me the non-lowviolence version? :p |
| 18:23.19 | Shirik | foxlit: But what about ----5? |
| 18:23.24 | foxlit | Shirik: comment. |
| 18:23.27 | Shirik | oh Lua |
| 18:23.31 | Shirik | well that's boring |
| 18:23.52 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: Thunder_Child: I'm enjoying the Sigma 30mm, thank you for the suggestion |
| 18:23.57 | Shirik | :) |
| 18:24.02 | jnwhiteh | we'll see how the shots came out when I pull them off later |
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| 18:24.35 | jnwhiteh | range-wise its exactly what I was hoping for! |
| 18:24.52 | Thunder_Child | Great |
| 18:29.46 | foxlit | lua> local function f() return f end print(f{}""{}""{}) |
| 18:29.46 | lua_bot | foxlit: function: 0x92e8038 |
| 18:30.17 | nevcairiel | you like obscure syntax eh? |
| 18:30.26 | foxlit | I have nothing but contempt for that syntax option. |
| 18:30.45 | nevcairiel | i hate it when people do stuff like this, even if its just one argument |
| 18:30.50 | nevcairiel | yes i'm looking at you haste! |
| 18:31.05 | foxlit | (to be fair, I abuse it for L"Localized String" ) |
| 18:32.48 | nevcairiel | Elkano: they fixed the price :p |
| 18:32.53 | foxlit | It pains me that you can chain them by alternating strings and tables, but not by repeating one type of argument. |
| 18:33.15 | foxlit | ... and that's wrong. |
| 18:33.39 | foxlit | well, at least that's more sane that what I was previously assuming. |
| 18:43.39 | Shirik | nevcairiel/foxlit well when you write it like THAT |
| 18:43.58 | Shirik | class "Foo" { |
| 18:44.03 | Shirik | a = 1, |
| 18:44.04 | Shirik | b = 2 |
| 18:44.05 | Shirik | } |
| 18:44.17 | Shirik | ^ Valid Lua |
| 18:44.18 | nevcairiel | there is always some kind of example where it has some use |
| 18:44.37 | nevcairiel | but if you start using it for every function call that takes one string, it just is annoying |
| 18:44.45 | Shirik | totally agree |
| 18:44.53 | Shirik | but that's a "don't shoot yourself in the foot" |
| 18:45.11 | Shirik | I'm a C++ developer so maybe I'm biased, but I do not consider "but people could abuse it!" a good reason to disallow something |
| 18:45.24 | foxlit | Go override the assignment operator or something :) |
| 18:45.28 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:45.39 | kd3 | >.< |
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| 19:02.55 | Dagmar | #define TRUE LOL |
| 19:03.22 | nevcairiel | thats too obvious |
| 19:04.35 | Semlar | anyone use a flowchart program |
| 19:05.23 | Semlar | i need a recommendation |
| 19:07.25 | Elkano | graphviz? *runs* |
| 19:07.35 | foxlit | tikz. *runs faster* |
| 19:07.48 | kd3 | dia? |
| 19:07.53 | Dagmar | Inkscape! :) |
| 19:08.38 | Dagmar | I know it can be done because my bosses are categorically lazy about filing the paperwork necessary to get me Visio like everyone else. |
| 19:09.08 | Semlar | ah visio is what i was using |
| 19:10.19 | Semlar | i've just been hand drawing this and i'm trying to move it into a real flowchart program |
| 19:11.21 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGayQ80TPNE well i burst out laughing |
| 19:13.50 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: that was rather boring |
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| 19:18.09 | Shadowed | MysticalOS: In case you don't read tickets. If you're able to duplicate that taint issue without any addons, or with a simple addon that just creates a secure frame, then you found a WoW bug that should get reported |
| 19:20.14 | pompy1 | there's like 2 indie games in the encore sale, eh. |
| 19:21.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/hWtcb.gif :3 |
| 19:22.11 | Shirik | I'm taking a quiz to test "science literacy". Some of the questions are interesting. But I keep getting questions like these 43. What word, which derives from a Greek term meaning "unequal" or "bent," describes a triangle whose three sides are of unequal length? |
| 19:22.16 | Shirik | This is not science |
| 19:22.20 | tem | bleh! My hp touchpad is in a terrible state |
| 19:22.29 | Semlar | florida? |
| 19:22.29 | tem | I've got a semi-functional CM7 on it right now |
| 19:22.39 | tem | and I can't find much to help me upgrade that to CM10 |
| 19:24.06 | Shirik | thwacks Semlar |
| 19:24.17 | Shirik | the correct answer was New Jersey |
| 19:25.45 | Semlar | :( |
| 19:27.02 | pompy1 | huh |
| 19:27.07 | Shirik | don't make fun of florida I'm going there next week :( |
| 19:27.20 | Semlar | i live here i'm allowed to |
| 19:28.04 | Esamynn | you poor bastard |
| 19:28.59 | Shirik | I used to live in Florida |
| 19:29.00 | Shirik | I escaped |
| 19:33.57 | pompy1 | http://woodbridge.patch.com/d/articles/sandy-homeowner-gets-37-74-in-insurance-for-destroyed-home#photo-12805031 dunno if i can believe this, but whatever.. and ohh the comments. |
| 19:39.52 | Seerah | I've seen similar |
| 19:40.25 | Seerah | pompy1: http://imgur.com/gallery/zg8fB |
| 19:41.03 | pompy1 | yeah i've seen that one, but dunno if any of them are even real. |
| 19:55.55 | Shirik | tbh |
| 19:56.07 | Shirik | a $1000 deductible seems pretty high |
| 19:56.10 | Adys | God fucking damn it all |
| 19:56.18 | Adys | I just mounted two partitions on / somehow |
| 19:56.35 | kd3 | impressive |
| 19:56.37 | Adys | Fourth laptop I set up with arch, how did i fuck that up |
| 19:56.47 | Maldivia | you're you? |
| 19:56.55 | Adys | No u |
| 19:57.17 | Shirik | why does it even let you do that |
| 19:57.30 | kd3 | it shouldn't |
| 19:59.26 | Adys | Shirik: fstab |
| 19:59.32 | Adys | have two entries on / |
| 19:59.40 | Fisker | serves kd3 some punch |
| 19:59.43 | Adys | Im not sure how it did that since it was autogenerated |
| 19:59.44 | Adys | but eh |
| 19:59.44 | Shirik | why is that even legal |
| 19:59.50 | Shirik | it should just explode |
| 20:00.11 | Adys | Well |
| 20:00.14 | Adys | it hangs at shutdown |
| 20:00.19 | Adys | with "not all filesystems unmounted" |
| 20:00.34 | Maldivia | sometimes I'd wish I could mount two poartition to the same path |
| 20:00.48 | Adys | Im sure theres a fuse for that |
| 20:01.01 | Adys | Im impressed though, for an old laptop Arch saved it quite nicely |
| 20:01.12 | Adys | it was running ubuntu 7.04 or something |
| 20:01.27 | Shirik | Maldivia: What would the expected behavior of that be? |
| 20:01.32 | Shirik | maybe only if it's read only or something |
| 20:01.35 | Adys | Shirik: Im guessing merged fs |
| 20:01.37 | Shirik | and they don't conflict at all |
| 20:02.08 | Adys | Arch is definitely my go-to distro now though, i mean damn |
| 20:02.19 | Adys | i managed to install it on some oldass shitty brick from 1997 |
| 20:02.31 | Adys | well, older probably |
| 20:02.50 | Maldivia | Shirik: I have two folders I'd like to combine the content of, but they are on seperate physical drives :P |
| 20:02.52 | Adys | Ethernet didnt even work out of the box |
| 20:02.59 | Adys | but tethering did. so awesome. |
| 20:04.26 | Maldivia | actually, 3 folders :P |
| 20:08.06 | Mr_Rabies | argh why is the hunter pet stable limited to 20 pets :< |
| 20:08.56 | Thunder_Child | Because they don't want to deal with every hunter having every pet in the game |
| 20:09.05 | Mr_Rabies | why not? :o |
| 20:09.15 | Dark_Elf | because they aint got enuff feed to feed more than 20 lol |
| 20:09.30 | Dagmar | ...that and someone still has to do the mucking out. |
| 20:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, i understand there needing to be a limit, but 20's a bit weak :| |
| 20:10.11 | Dagmar | There is *already* a pokemon collector mechanic in the game, thanks. |
| 20:10.47 | Dagmar | At least a lot of the new ones are decidedly hunter-only since no one but hunters can even see them. |
| 20:12.47 | Mr_Rabies | battle pets existing is no excuse for a sub-par stable :( |
| 20:13.28 | Dagmar | There's nothing sub-par about a bunch of virtually identical pets. |
| 20:14.21 | Mr_Rabies | there's almost double that many pet families! |
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| 20:15.37 | foxlit | It's a mechanic that enforces gameplay design intentions |
| 20:15.44 | foxlit | See also: valor point caps. |
| 20:16.20 | Adys | [20:07:37] <Mr_Rabies> i mean, i understand there needing to be a limit, but 20's a bit weak :| |
| 20:16.22 | Adys | really? |
| 20:16.41 | Mr_Rabies | i don't understand the point of the limit |
| 20:16.55 | Adys | Because the limit of 20 is not that much better than the old limit of uhm |
| 20:16.57 | Adys | three? |
| 20:17.27 | Mr_Rabies | just because the old limit also sucked doesn't mean the current number does, too |
| 20:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 20:17.40 | Mr_Rabies | you know what i mean |
| 20:17.48 | Mr_Rabies | i can't english atm :< |
| 20:17.50 | pompy1 | Arrowmaster: http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/28/xbox-live-outage-temporarily-disconnecting-cloud-storage-for-som/ wonder how they know who got affected :o |
| 20:17.56 | Adys | yeah well the limit is there to kind of balance out a class feature |
| 20:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | how's it balance anything? |
| 20:18.23 | Adys | because if they let it become a minigame, everyone's gonna have a spare hunter? |
| 20:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | is that really a problem? |
| 20:18.35 | Adys | you cant have a class-specific minigame |
| 20:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | sure you can |
| 20:18.44 | Adys | its a problem for hunters |
| 20:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | lockpicking! |
| 20:19.01 | Mr_Rabies | pickpocketing! |
| 20:19.05 | Adys | if everyone has a hunter, no one is going to recruit hunters in guild anymore |
| 20:19.14 | Adys | which is already an issue fwiw |
| 20:19.30 | Adys | lockpicking and pickpocketing are fine because they're minor features |
| 20:20.00 | Adys | there's not an entire chunk of the game dedicated to pickpocketing, training the skill, rogue conventions and what not |
| 20:20.30 | Mr_Rabies | i don't understand why everyone hates fun so much |
| 20:20.40 | Mr_Rabies | 20's a miserable limit with so many cool pets around |
| 20:20.42 | Adys | It's not about hating fun |
| 20:20.49 | Adys | it's about not ruining the fun for a class |
| 20:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | i've already had to delete some cool looking ones and i'm only level 70 |
| 20:21.24 | Mr_Rabies | i really, really don't see the hunter population suddenly booming more than it is now if they increase the stable limit to say, 100 |
| 20:21.43 | Adys | so if they multiply it by 5? |
| 20:21.58 | Adys | like they did with the old limit, which brings us to now where you're still complaining |
| 20:22.17 | Mr_Rabies | if hunters being overpowered as heck in pvp isn't making them massively more popular, more pets isn't gonna do more than that |
| 20:22.42 | Adys | OP/UP classes are usually fads, they mildly affect population but more likely active mains |
| 20:23.03 | Adys | "pet battles" are a non-class-specific feature *because* they're fun |
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| 20:23.22 | Adys | if pet hunting went global, Im sure itd be fun but hunters would feel less special |
| 20:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | so why even have rare pet models, then |
| 20:23.34 | Adys | because it's still fun? |
| 20:23.36 | Mr_Rabies | the design conflicts with itself in so many ways |
| 20:23.51 | Mr_Rabies | it's extremely limited fun |
| 20:24.07 | Adys | you have a limited concept of fun |
| 20:24.13 | Mr_Rabies | after you get the handful of pets you need for min/max gameplay, you're limited further |
| 20:24.19 | Adys | boardgames are fun. are they more fun if i own all of them? |
| 20:24.27 | Mr_Rabies | to some, probably |
| 20:24.35 | Mr_Rabies | collection is a hobby to many |
| 20:24.44 | Adys | I totally get that, I love pet battles |
| 20:25.04 | Adys | but for one thing, there's fun to be had in variety and uniqueness |
| 20:25.08 | Mr_Rabies | hunter pets are designed to be collected as well, except you're limited to not even one of each type :| |
| 20:25.19 | Adys | if every hunter has every pet, rare pets just become mildly rare pets |
| 20:25.27 | Adys | and the whole feature becomes just another grind |
| 20:25.31 | Adys | a class-specific grind |
| 20:25.36 | Adys | which is less fun |
| 20:25.46 | Mr_Rabies | they can't have more than one pet out at a time (except for a cooldown attack that lasts a few seconds) |
| 20:25.52 | Mr_Rabies | how is it a grind? |
| 20:25.56 | Mr_Rabies | i just |
| 20:26.00 | Mr_Rabies | totally disagree with you here |
| 20:26.01 | Adys | its a grind for collectors |
| 20:26.18 | Adys | Im not disagreeing with you on all points here, I get how collecting pets would be fun |
| 20:26.19 | Mr_Rabies | when has that ever been a problem in the history of WoW? |
| 20:26.27 | Mr_Rabies | oh nooooo |
| 20:26.29 | Adys | but thats also why theres a whole feature based around that, called pet battles |
| 20:26.42 | Mr_Rabies | we've made the game too grindy for people who want to grind certain aspects oh nooo what a tragedy |
| 20:26.53 | Adys | class-specific grinds are bad |
| 20:27.06 | Mr_Rabies | no they're not, if they're not required |
| 20:27.09 | foxlit | unmitigated grinds are bad period |
| 20:27.11 | Adys | haha |
| 20:27.13 | Adys | like dailies right? |
| 20:27.17 | Mr_Rabies | dailies are bad |
| 20:27.32 | Adys | IF YOU DONT LIKE THEM YOU DONT HAVE TO DO THEm |
| 20:27.35 | Adys | oh yes. |
| 20:27.49 | Adys | see its a snake here |
| 20:27.56 | Mr_Rabies | hey bro we're only gonna let you into this raid if you have the chromaggus model for your core hound |
| 20:28.03 | Mr_Rabies | this will never happen |
| 20:28.24 | Adys | yeah and realistically who was *required* to do dailies to raid? |
| 20:28.39 | Mr_Rabies | at this point, everyone who's interested in progression |
| 20:28.58 | Mr_Rabies | 90 lesser charms a week at a minimum |
| 20:29.03 | Adys | anyway its a can of worms there |
| 20:29.13 | Mr_Rabies | it's not at all |
| 20:29.38 | Adys | my point is the whole "its optional" is stupid |
| 20:29.42 | Mr_Rabies | there's functionally no reason to limit the stable as much as it is |
| 20:29.49 | Adys | its a bad excuse to grindy parts of the game |
| 20:29.56 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 20:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | i give up |
| 20:30.01 | Adys | i gave you plenty of reasons |
| 20:30.10 | Adys | not saying thats why blizzard does it |
| 20:30.11 | Mr_Rabies | none of them valid |
| 20:30.19 | Adys | None of them *you* find valid |
| 20:30.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's all that matters to me! |
| 20:30.47 | Adys | My giant cock should matter too |
| 20:31.09 | Mr_Rabies | there's no viable reason to limit them to the level they are now |
| 20:31.31 | Mr_Rabies | with a small UI redesign, they could easily support hundreds of pets |
| 20:32.00 | Mr_Rabies | there's no gameplay difference between different pet models, it's literally just a new model/texture |
| 20:32.14 | Mr_Rabies | and only 5 can be used in a combat situation, as it should be |
| 20:32.30 | Mr_Rabies | requiring them to go to the stable basically negates any need for a limit |
| 20:32.44 | Adys | Either way, summing up a few points: 1. if a feature becomes too large of a minigame, it should never be class-specific as there are implications for that class. 2. there has to be a limit, 20 is better than three. 3. there are pet battles and pet hunting already, adding a similar minigame to hunters would be repetitive |
| 20:33.10 | Mr_Rabies | if someone REALLY needs a pet for the raid to proceed, it takes like 10 minutes to get whatever pet they need |
| 20:33.17 | Mr_Rabies | none of your reasons make any sense whatsoever |
| 20:33.37 | Adys | make any sense *to you* |
| 20:34.43 | Mr_Rabies | whatever i'm gonna tame me some core hounds and continue to grumble about how many pets i'm having to delete |
| 20:34.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's obvious we're going nowhere with this |
| 20:37.22 | Adys | it's obvious *to you* |
| 20:40.33 | Mr_Rabies | the current design favors solely focusing on min/maxing pets for the most raid dps or tankability and ignoring aesthetics entirely, so they've thus negated their own design decision to have lots of cool and rare pets to capture |
| 20:41.18 | Mr_Rabies | it seems against the general overall design of the game to limit it in such a way |
| 20:41.43 | durcyn | is there anything you won't pontificate on |
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| 20:43.11 | Mr_Rabies | because apparently everything i mention is a controversial statement that requires several people intensely arguing with me, even something like the pet stable being too limited |
| 20:43.15 | Arrowmaster | hahaha http://latinamericacurrentevents.com/prostitutes-stole-items-from-honduras-embassy-in-colombia-for-failure-of-payment/25086/ |
| 20:43.20 | Mr_Rabies | you can't fault me for defending myself, durcyn |
| 20:43.45 | durcyn | i'm faulting you for being verbose and wrong |
| 20:44.10 | Mr_Rabies | oh man heaven forbid people talk in irc |
| 20:47.05 | Mr_Rabies | lol arrowmaster what |
| 20:49.30 | Adys | Mr_Rabies: its not really controversial |
| 20:49.39 | Adys | if anything im the one with the controversial opinion here |
| 20:50.18 | Adys | i dont think many would complain at the pet stable limit being increased |
| 20:50.25 | Mr_Rabies | apparently it is, as evidenced by no less than 3 people rudely calling me wrong |
| 20:50.43 | Adys | wut |
| 20:50.46 | Mr_Rabies | and then somehow i'm the bad guy for defending myself by talking in irc |
| 20:51.19 | Adys | Dagmar's saying pet battles are enough, durcyn's being a cock and I'm just giving you a different point of view on the subject |
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| 20:52.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think pet battles being an extended version of the hunter system is pretty great, but by no means should it overshadow a major class component of the hunters' design simply by existing |
| 20:52.49 | someGuy | guys, I've got a question. Can someone explain to me what exactly does the function SetFrameStrata do? |
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| 20:54.03 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/XML/Frame#What_is_the_difference_between_frameLevel_and_frameStrata.3F |
| 20:55.57 | someGuy | I see, so if i wanted to give a frame a bg, I would use it only once, and every time I wanted to update the background, I wouldn't have to call it again right? |
| 20:56.08 | kd3 | yah |
| 20:56.19 | someGuy | mm thanks, that's what I wanted to know. |
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| 21:10.14 | saidAGuy | Can someone tell me how i can properly update a frame background... my frames keep getting the background overlapped with the old one =/ |
| 21:15.18 | Neffi | background as in? |
| 21:15.40 | saidAGuy | a texture. I'll post the code in pastebin hold up |
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| 21:21.53 | saidAGuy | Here it is http://pastebin.com/Yf805kMw |
| 21:22.57 | saidAGuy | I'm kinda new to the api so, sorry if I make no sense... |
| 21:24.36 | saidAGuy | *tumble weed* woosh woosh |
| 21:25.00 | Semlar | you create a new texture every time this is run |
| 21:25.13 | Neffi | bad |
| 21:25.16 | saidAGuy | I shouldn't? |
| 21:25.25 | Semlar | well, not if you want to change it |
| 21:25.26 | Neffi | no |
| 21:25.31 | Neffi | frame.bg = frame:CreateTexture(nil,'BACKGROUND') |
| 21:25.32 | saidAGuy | Ohh please explain... |
| 21:25.38 | Neffi | frame.bg:SetTexture(sometexturefile) |
| 21:25.45 | Semlar | you create it once, save a reference to it somewhere and then just use SetTexture instead |
| 21:25.57 | Semlar | you don't want to call CreateTexture every time |
| 21:26.06 | Neffi | update it w/ frame.bg:SetTexture() |
| 21:26.26 | saidAGuy | Ohh ok, I thought it was some property i had to change like, myFrame.BACKGROUND = newPath |
| 21:26.29 | Neffi | frames, textures, fontstrings are immutable and never destroyed |
| 21:26.32 | Neffi | you NEED to reuse them |
| 21:26.39 | Semlar | no it actually creates a new object every time you call it |
| 21:26.43 | Neffi | they are objects, not properties |
| 21:27.16 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/bri0j.png BAM, flowchart |
| 21:27.40 | Semlar | yeah this is a lot more comprehensible |
| 21:27.55 | nevcairiel | your chart looks a bit odd tbh |
| 21:27.58 | Mr_Rabies | i thought that was a tbc-era attunement flowchart |
| 21:28.09 | nevcairiel | did you manually layout it this way? |
| 21:28.27 | nevcairiel | why not model it using UML or something like that, and let some tool align the boxes in a logical manner? :p |
| 21:28.28 | Semlar | if by manually you mean that just happens to be where i dragged the things |
| 21:28.43 | Semlar | do what now |
| 21:29.29 | nevcairiel | you know, an UML class diagramm |
| 21:29.46 | kd3 | ugh |
| 21:30.00 | saidAGuy | btw, do images/textures need to be in a specific format to be used in addons, I think i read somewhere in .blp or something like that... and how do i convert them to that? or is it a format just with different extension? |
| 21:30.17 | Semlar | they can be tga's |
| 21:30.30 | nevcairiel | blp is its own format really, but tga will work too |
| 21:30.31 | kd3 | tgas, 24/32bpp |
| 21:30.36 | saidAGuy | oh targas too, cool. |
| 21:30.46 | kd3 | sides must be a power of 2 |
| 21:30.48 | saidAGuy | I prefer png though. damn. |
| 21:30.51 | kd3 | they don't have to be the same power of 2 |
| 21:30.51 | Semlar | or you can make a png and convert it to whatever |
| 21:36.12 | End_ | well that was fucking weird |
| 21:36.29 | End_ | WoW just demanded I put a disk in my dvd drive |
| 21:36.41 | End_ | then it crashed when I total it no |
| 21:36.45 | End_ | told* |
| 21:36.45 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:37.09 | Cairenn | Funkeh`, [Ammo], rabbit: Got a report on the update of bigwigs, you've got a .lnk file in the zip, it's throwing false positives |
| 21:37.21 | Cairenn | Can you update it again but without that file, please? |
| 21:38.50 | Cairenn | Funkeh`: , [Ammo], rabbit: http://pastebin.com/70kWA6B1 |
| 21:38.55 | Arrowmaster | the link is throwing false positives in av scanners? |
| 21:38.59 | saidAGuy | lol http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/programming-comic.jpg |
| 21:39.19 | kd3 | ! |
| 21:40.54 | End_ | oh |
| 21:40.57 | End_ | that's interesting |
| 21:41.03 | End_ | I can reproduce this |
| 21:41.09 | End_ | apparently /spew GameTooltip is a bad thing to do |
| 21:41.17 | End_ | (somehow) |
| 21:41.45 | Semlar | spew? |
| 21:41.55 | nevcairiel | Cairenn: are you sure thats the proper upload? |
| 21:41.57 | End_ | it's like dump but puts it in a frame of its own |
| 21:42.13 | End_ | and doesn't truncate output |
| 21:42.20 | Cairenn | nevcairiel: the VirusTotal scan? |
| 21:42.30 | End_ | it also will show extra info about frame properties |
| 21:42.42 | nevcairiel | i just grabbed r9690 from WoWI, and it has a rather odd directory structure and a executable named config.txt in it, somehow i doubt Funkeh` would upload this |
| 21:43.07 | Cairenn | that's why we're notifying |
| 21:43.15 | Cairenn | something appears to be wrong |
| 21:45.06 | durcyn | do you track ips of uploads? guessing someone used a guessable password on their wowi account |
| 21:45.27 | nevcairiel | i'm not sure someone would hack an author account to upload a silly renamed executable that most people wont even find |
| 21:45.39 | Cairenn | durcyn: yes, we do |
| 21:45.45 | End_ | mmmm dunno |
| 21:46.01 | End_ | the executable might not be intended to be executed directly |
| 21:46.03 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: what about the .lnk what does it point to? |
| 21:46.11 | End_ | dependind on what the lnk is supposed to do |
| 21:46.24 | nevcairiel | ah the link is devious |
| 21:46.25 | End_ | I mean, I don't think thumbs.db is normally a folder either |
| 21:46.28 | nevcairiel | it has the icon of a directory |
| 21:46.34 | nevcairiel | and points to that renamed exutable |
| 21:46.50 | nevcairiel | and uses cmd.exe to actually run it instead of opening it in an editor |
| 21:47.12 | Funkeh` | I ahvent uploaded anything |
| 21:47.15 | Funkeh` | what? |
| 21:47.22 | Funkeh` | I'm playing dead island atm :P |
| 21:47.38 | nevcairiel | well Cairenn can probably figure out which account was used for uploading |
| 21:48.01 | Funkeh` | Cairenn, I hope you didnt aprove it |
| 21:48.08 | nevcairiel | i just downloaded it |
| 21:48.10 | nevcairiel | so its public |
| 21:48.10 | Cairenn | It had been, I've just yanked it |
| 21:48.14 | Cairenn | Not now |
| 21:48.19 | Funkeh` | nice... |
| 21:48.19 | Cairenn | I literally just pulled it |
| 21:48.33 | nevcairiel | ah yeah the link is now gone |
| 21:48.40 | Funkeh` | wonder how that god approved |
| 21:48.43 | Cairenn | It scanned fine when it was approved |
| 21:48.54 | nevcairiel | the directory structure was all wrong for an addon |
| 21:49.07 | nevcairiel | do you rely only on automatic scans? |
| 21:49.12 | Cairenn | no |
| 21:49.23 | Funkeh` | do you kno which acocunt did it? |
| 21:49.53 | Cairenn | It says that Rabbit did it, but Dolby is saying that there is a bug in the log, so I'm not sure |
| 21:50.00 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:50.20 | durcyn | rabbit's been inactive for months, bet you a dollar his account's compromised |
| 21:50.26 | pompy | rabbit, who is vhaarr isnt even in here :\ |
| 21:50.34 | nevcairiel | vhaarr hasnt really been around much for month, indeed |
| 21:50.45 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 21:51.39 | Cairenn | nm, yes, it was Rabbit |
| 21:51.49 | Cairenn | or rather, his account :p |
| 21:52.09 | Funkeh` | remove the other authors |
| 21:52.13 | Funkeh` | just leave it as me |
| 21:52.42 | Cairenn | You can do that yourself, go to "manage team" |
| 21:53.38 | Funkeh` | seriously though how does this get approved? |
| 21:53.42 | Funkeh` | what a damper on ym day |
| 21:53.57 | Ressy | you guys check any other addons he is an author for? |
| 21:54.23 | Cairenn | because I didn't look at the directory structure when I checked it, and clamscan didn't throw any warnings when I ran it |
| 21:54.56 | Ackis | Funkeh`: mistakes happen, they're only human like you and me :P I know I've made countless mistakes with CF |
| 21:55.29 | Funkeh` | I'm aware mistakes happen, it's msitakes that permanently damage the reputation of an addon... |
| 21:55.42 | Cairenn | Funkeh`: is that you updating it, or do I need to put it back on hold? |
| 21:55.42 | foxlit | (or an addon site) |
| 21:55.56 | Funkeh` | Cairenn, no, I'm not doing an update to bigwigs |
| 21:56.00 | Funkeh` | all I did was remove the authors |
| 21:56.53 | Cairenn | Well, let me know when you update it with a clean file and I'll approve it |
| 21:57.11 | Cairenn | For now it's pulled from the public being able to download |
| 21:57.38 | nevcairiel | dont you have an archive of the previous version? |
| 21:57.53 | Cairenn | Yes |
| 21:58.03 | nevcairiel | should be from the 27th |
| 21:58.18 | Ressy | Cairenn: Is there any way to know how many downloads were done of that bad version? |
| 21:58.39 | Cairenn | dolby may be able to tell us that, but he's afk at the moment |
| 21:58.48 | Ressy | kk :) |
| 21:58.49 | Cairenn | When he gets back to his computer we'll be able to look into it more |
| 21:59.00 | saidAGuy | would this be any better? http://pastebin.com/fkBsmhzr |
| 21:59.34 | Funkeh` | Cairenn, do you want me to reupload then? |
| 21:59.41 | Cairenn | yes, please |
| 22:00.21 | Cairenn | we need to trigger another 'updated version' email, so anyone who did download that version updates it and gets rid of the bad copy |
| 22:00.32 | dolby | yeah only 8 of the 40 scanners on virustotal say its something |
| 22:00.39 | Funkeh` | reuploaded |
| 22:00.44 | Cairenn | 45, actually |
| 22:00.57 | dolby | will be picking at it in a bit |
| 22:00.59 | nevcairiel | my local scanner also doesnt identify it |
| 22:01.08 | Seerah | neither did mine (MSE) |
| 22:01.13 | Cairenn | Nor mine |
| 22:01.24 | Funkeh` | so just to clarify, there wasnt an actual threat unless the user went into the folder an executed an executable? |
| 22:01.40 | dolby | it isnt an exe either |
| 22:01.46 | Seerah | looked that way. but it was .txt |
| 22:01.54 | dolby | its a .lnk |
| 22:02.01 | nevcairiel | there is an exe |
| 22:02.02 | Seerah | the .txt was questionable |
| 22:02.06 | nevcairiel | called config.txt |
| 22:02.06 | pompy | :O |
| 22:02.14 | nevcairiel | and the .lnk file is setup to execute that file |
| 22:02.23 | dolby | ahh |
| 22:02.23 | nevcairiel | deviously, the .lnk file has the icon of a directory |
| 22:02.36 | Seerah | when I extracted the .zip to open it in notepad++, it was hidden and didn't even show up with "show hidden files/folders" checked for some reason |
| 22:02.45 | dolby | welp time to flag .lnk |
| 22:02.49 | Funkeh` | set a ban on zips with lnk plase :) |
| 22:02.54 | Arrowmaster | so the odds of anybody actually being infected from this are very slim |
| 22:03.16 | dolby | yep Funkeh` will do |
| 22:03.24 | pompy | so VT the config.txt.exe |
| 22:03.27 | saidAGuy | anyone? |
| 22:03.31 | Funkeh` | dolby, just to clarify, 100% it was rabbits account? |
| 22:03.35 | Funkeh` | I don't need to change my pw? |
| 22:03.36 | dolby | yes |
| 22:03.45 | dolby | yes it was rabbits account |
| 22:03.51 | Funkeh` | thanks |
| 22:04.23 | Cairenn | saidAGuy: sorry for talking 'over' you, I'm sure once this gets settled around someone will be happy to look into your question :) |
| 22:04.24 | Funkeh` | if you can, I suggest resetting his password and checking any other addons he's the author of |
| 22:04.44 | saidAGuy | yeah no problem, its all good. |
| 22:04.45 | Cairenn | Already checked, nothing else of his accessed today |
| 22:05.11 | Ackis | I thought I had until today to buy all the winter steam sales :( |
| 22:05.16 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/author-38159.html |
| 22:05.42 | Funkeh` | can you force reset his password? |
| 22:05.50 | pompy | Ackis: 10am pacific today |
| 22:05.53 | Cairenn | Of course |
| 22:05.59 | pompy | then a small encore sale for the next 2 days |
| 22:06.16 | Semlar | mikma: http://i.imgur.com/bri0j.png |
| 22:06.35 | Ackis | pompy: that makes me sad :( I was waiting to buy something to see if it went on sale and now I've missed out :'( |
| 22:07.29 | Arrowmaster | you should have checked yesterday and seen the countdown on everything showing when it was ending today |
| 22:08.07 | Arrowmaster | i purchased a bunch of stuff yesterday that never went on daily/flash/community sale |
| 22:08.29 | Ackis | it was only one game, I guess I can wait (Silent Hunter) |
| 22:09.52 | pompy | yes, many many games you havent even started yet! |
| 22:10.11 | Arrowmaster | i was playing one of them earlier |
| 22:15.04 | Mr_Rabies | you know |
| 22:15.22 | Mr_Rabies | utgard keep is nice and all but something else would be nice, LFD :< |
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| 22:53.00 | Arrowmaster | there he is |
| 22:54.27 | Arrowmaster | vhaarr: Funkeh` and Cairenn are looking for you |
| 22:55.19 | Cairenn | Already talked with him :) |
| 22:55.21 | Funkeh` | I think he might have got her email |
| 22:55.25 | Cairenn | Yep |
| 22:55.50 | Cairenn | He should have control of his account on WoWI back now. |
| 22:59.12 | foxlit | I wonder if the UI team has an email address |
| 23:00.28 | Cairenn | As a whole, or individually? |
| 23:01.16 | foxlit | The former; unsolicited emails to personal addresses would be weird. |
| 23:07.19 | Shirik | hey I just met you, and this is crazy, but here's a bug, so fix it maybe? |
| 23:07.44 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 23:07.49 | foxlit | :P |
| 23:09.15 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: terrible, go fly across the country again or something |
| 23:10.44 | Shirik | does anyone have a secure sandbox they're willing to let get infected? |
| 23:10.56 | Fisker | oh ok |
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| 23:26.03 | foxlit | lua> {1,2,3,4, [6]=7, 8} |
| 23:26.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: table: 0x83e3ad0 |
| 23:26.13 | foxlit | hey now, that's just not fair. |
| 23:28.34 | bleeter | Funkeh`: quick question about latest BigWigs upload on WoWI. I downloaded on Mon 31st (my time) r9690 from WoWI. Today I got an email saying there's an update, it's also r9690 (and what was updated on 5th of Jan also r9690). |
| 23:28.49 | bleeter | Funkeh`: Just wondering if this is infact intentional or a mistake |
| 23:28.59 | bleeter | s/infact/in fact/ |
| 23:29.05 | kd3 | yes. use the new version |
| 23:29.23 | bleeter | but it's the same version |
| 23:29.27 | kd3 | scroll up and you'll see why |
| 23:29.34 | Cairenn | bleeter: there was a malicious version uploaded early this morning. If you downloaded it, get the one that was uploaded in the last couple hours |
| 23:29.47 | Cairenn | If you didn't get it, then you're clear |
| 23:29.48 | bleeter | what |
| 23:29.58 | Cairenn | exactly what I said :p |
| 23:29.58 | End_ | your old version and the current version are identical |
| 23:30.03 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 23:30.04 | bleeter | whoever thought of not incrementing version numbers on known malware release |
| 23:30.10 | End_ | it was pushed out again to make sure people pull a clean cop |
| 23:30.12 | End_ | copy* |
| 23:30.27 | End_ | well |
| 23:30.35 | End_ | no bigwigs maintainer uploaded it |
| 23:30.39 | End_ | someone got hold of rabbit's password |
| 23:30.52 | Cairenn | and most virus scanners aren't picking it up |
| 23:31.00 | Cairenn | only 8 out of the 45 on Virustotal find it |
| 23:31.08 | bleeter | I mean the clean version, released after the malware version, shuoldn't have the same version number |
| 23:31.10 | Cairenn | Unfortunately, ours didn't |
| 23:31.21 | bleeter | that way it'd be easy to tell guild 'hey if you're running 9690, update' |
| 23:31.53 | End_ | the malware version had a different number |
| 23:32.00 | bleeter | whereas now I've gotta say 'if you got 9690 some arbitraary period past few days' etc. (though yes, I'll just tell 'em all to update for the hell of it anyways)( |
| 23:32.30 | End_ | it might have been a recent alpha or just a made up number I don't know |
| 23:33.04 | End_ | shrugs. |
| 23:34.18 | bleeter | only reason I noticed is that the new new version has that mangled filename problem |
| 23:34.22 | bleeter | alsoi shrugs |
| 23:35.55 | Funkeh` | bleeter, it was just today |
| 23:36.00 | Funkeh` | which isolates the amount of downloads |
| 23:36.21 | bleeter | Cairenn: FWIW I'd humbly suggest if 'stuff' like that happens again (which it will), Zam email people who've favourited said addon explaining what's happened. To me, that's not unreasonable disclosure |
| 23:36.58 | Cairenn | bleeter: we have every intention of telling people, but right now we don't have all the answers to all of the questions we will get |
| 23:40.10 | vhaarr | I'd say it's better to get less information fast and in higher frequency than lots of information delayed |
| 23:40.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar|Mobile (~chatzilla@72.188.127.100) |
| 23:40.31 | vhaarr | so, send one e-mail now saying "something bad happened, we will explain later", and then do so |
| 23:40.35 | VIad | "Reprogrammed Defendo-tank 66D says: %s reporting for duty, ma'am!" |
| 23:40.47 | VIad | as soon as I scrolled the chat the %s turned into its name :P |
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| 23:46.35 | mikma | semlar|mobile: jebus :D |
| 23:46.51 | Semlar|Mobile | >_> |
| 23:47.34 | bleeter | vhaarr: some of the delayed info no doubt will be because Legal dept will want to put their 2c in. |
| 23:48.27 | Semlar|Mobile | yeah mikma, i had to put together a flowchart to track this stuff |
| 23:48.54 | Semlar|Mobile | it was too much of a pain to remember how everything fit together |
| 23:49.29 | VIad | Semlar what OS do you use? |
| 23:49.40 | VIad | (your phone) |
| 23:49.41 | Semlar|Mobile | windows 7 |
| 23:49.47 | Semlar|Mobile | my phone? |
| 23:50.20 | VIad | yes |
| 23:50.24 | Semlar|Mobile | http://i.imgur.com/xEFaGh.jpg my phone is in the top right of this picture |
| 23:50.50 | VIad | and you have irc on it? xD |
| 23:50.56 | Semlar|Mobile | no |
| 23:51.02 | Semlar|Mobile | i'm on my laptop |
| 23:51.06 | VIad | mobile? :D |
| 23:51.13 | Semlar|Mobile | mobile doesn't mean phone |
| 23:51.15 | mikma | laptop is pretty mobile imo |
| 23:51.29 | mikma | cause, it's portable, small, you can take it to places and irc! |
| 23:52.03 | VIad | why did you take your computer apart btw? |
| 23:52.20 | Semlar|Mobile | http://imgur.com/a/LtiJA not my computer |
| 23:52.44 | Semlar|Mobile | i was replacing the DC jack for someone |
| 23:52.51 | mikma | dust, ish |
| 23:53.09 | Semlar|Mobile | i think there was a mouse in the heatsink |
| 23:54.08 | VIad | :D |
| 23:54.16 | Semlar|Mobile | i took some pictures so i could put it back together |
| 23:54.55 | VIad | I guess among your friends you are the techical one? |
| 23:55.26 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 23:55.26 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 23:55.44 | Semlar|Mobile | a lot of my friends are computer geeks |
| 23:56.02 | bleeter | AWW THE QUEEN HAS SENT ME A MESSAGE WOOT |
| 23:57.01 | bleeter | http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-05/bushfires-rage-near-hobart/4453812 < not my pic |
| 23:57.59 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/fierysunset.jpg < my pic, the hills you see are opical illusions caused by sun's position behind the real hills |
| 23:58.58 | mikma | purl: note to bluspacecow, http://imgur.com/gallery/DcyPe |
| 23:58.58 | purl | ACTION takes note of to bluspacecow, http://imgur.com/gallery/DcyPe and submits the information to google |
| 23:59.11 | mikma | noes! |
| 23:59.49 | bleeter | (I live about 5km's northin that first pic) |
| 23:59.53 | mikma | oh it was message |
| 23:59.59 | VIad | the sunset almost looks photoshopped |
