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| 00:39.57 | TC-work | I wish windows was smart enough to try both local and remote domains so i don't have to preface my usernames. |
| 00:43.08 | Mr_Rabies | yayyy |
| 00:43.14 | Mr_Rabies | bonobos down |
| 00:43.20 | Arrowmaster | http://www.realmofgamers.com/ea-to-shutdown-online-services-for-12-games-starting-tomorrow/ |
| 00:43.28 | Arrowmaster | good, nothing ive ever played or would play |
| 00:43.33 | Mr_Rabies | glorious! get! |
| 00:43.47 | kd3 | grats |
| 00:44.11 | Mr_Rabies | lol they're retiring the online stuff for the sims 2 |
| 00:44.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's gonna be a kick in the pants |
| 00:44.32 | Mr_Rabies | the sims 3 is so broken, a ton of people still play the sims 2 |
| 00:44.34 | Dagmar | The real question is did they refit it with always-on DRM |
| 00:44.54 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Nah. AwesomeMod fixes most of it where EA has fail. |
| 00:45.26 | Mr_Rabies | oh is there something that doesn't make it run like a pile of junk on a system with like, double the recommended requirements? |
| 00:46.18 | Dagmar | No, if you throw a quad-core 3.6Ghz machine with 16Gb of RAM at it, it runs fine. ;) |
| 00:46.48 | Dagmar | ...even after being loaded up with as many as five extra hairstyles. :) |
| 00:47.00 | Mr_Rabies | it ran at a nice solid 10 fps or less on a customer's computer that we had freshly installed windows on, with way, way better specs than the recommended requirements |
| 00:47.52 | Semlar | drivers? |
| 00:48.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, fully updated drivers |
| 00:48.03 | Dagmar | Sounds like a problem with them, yes. |
| 00:48.05 | Mr_Rabies | everything else ran perfectly fine |
| 00:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | just the sims 3 was totally broken |
| 00:48.16 | Dagmar | Integrated GPU? |
| 00:48.17 | Mr_Rabies | that's actually part of why we reinstalled windows |
| 00:48.18 | Semlar | maybe those drivers had a conflict with that game |
| 00:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | discrete gpu |
| 00:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | i forget the model |
| 00:48.38 | Mr_Rabies | it's been over a year, possibly 2 |
| 00:48.43 | Dagmar | Well, that's annoying. It's running pretty damn smoothly over here on a 550Ti |
| 00:49.07 | Mr_Rabies | it was a new mid-range card |
| 00:49.09 | Semlar | my friend was having issues playing D3 with his $500 graphics card because of drivers |
| 00:49.09 | Mr_Rabies | $150 or so |
| 00:49.15 | Mr_Rabies | we put it in to help performance |
| 00:49.20 | Semlar | he had to just replace the card |
| 00:49.28 | Mr_Rabies | it's just like, nothing we threw at it worked to make it run better |
| 00:49.30 | Dagmar | Of course, I see people on the forums there calling a 560Ti a "mid-range" card. |
| 00:49.32 | Mr_Rabies | nor tweaking settings |
| 00:50.08 | Dagmar | It ran passably before on the 4950E CPU (dual 2.4Ghz) and 8Gb RAm with the nVidia 9800, so something is probably wrong |
| 00:52.20 | Mr_Rabies | nothing we did even got it to run passably |
| 00:52.58 | Mr_Rabies | all the hardware passed testing, and it's fairly common for it to just run like crap on machines that should have no problems running it at 60fps |
| 00:53.06 | Dagmar | I'd have been eyeballing hte BIOS settings and running benchmark tests on it |
| 00:53.29 | Dagmar | ...because *something* had to be bottlenecking. |
| 00:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | we did, it did slightly better than average in 3d marks for systems with the same hardware |
| 00:53.48 | Mr_Rabies | it was literally just the sims 3 |
| 00:53.55 | Dagmar | Graphics alone won't do everything. |
| 00:54.10 | Mr_Rabies | we ran multiple versions of 3dmark trying to find a bottleneck |
| 00:54.33 | Dagmar | Remember, I just went from an underpowered CPU where *several* things were limping along at 15-20fps on the lowest settings, to slamming up against the vsync limit by changing motherboard and CPU |
| 00:54.48 | Mr_Rabies | everything else ran perfectly okay that we tried |
| 00:54.58 | Dagmar | So... if something really retarded was going on in the BIOS, that could do it |
| 00:55.08 | Mr_Rabies | nah, we checked just about everything |
| 00:55.20 | Mr_Rabies | the sims 3 is just a poorly made game that has serious problems with a lot of configurations |
| 00:55.25 | Dagmar | Well, yes. |
| 00:55.46 | Dagmar | I shall now fly to Metzen and /pee on him. |
| 00:57.31 | Dagmar | I might murder that priest again if he's still mucking about. |
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| 00:59.08 | Dagmar | Some horde has been messing around in the Alliance location flagged, waiting for something like Army of the Dead to attack his images or whatever so he can kill them. |
| 00:59.24 | Dagmar | yesterday I just waited until the Greench was at 40% health and then switched targets. |
| 00:59.40 | Dagmar | My pets assure me he was delicious. |
| 01:17.37 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/483178_397699113645175_1165209961_n.jpg |
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| 01:39.27 | pompy | Arrowmaster: whats it say im doing on xbl? |
| 01:39.47 | Arrowmaster | let me fire up the xbox |
| 01:40.36 | kd3 | ouch. res sickness for failing in a scenario |
| 01:40.38 | Arrowmaster | "watching a video" |
| 01:43.54 | pompy | Arrowmaster: ahh ok, its amazon instant video.. wonder why it doesnt say that and the video |
| 01:44.37 | Arrowmaster | it says "amazon instant video" and then the subtext is "watching a video" |
| 01:48.59 | pompy | i realize privacy.. but there should be an option to display video title in the status, but dont think they'll ever seem to want to do that. |
| 01:50.11 | TC-work | Why would you want that? |
| 01:51.45 | pompy | dunno. |
| 01:54.05 | mckenziemc1 | because everyone likes to tell their friends what their watching/listening do/doing, TC-work |
| 01:54.08 | mckenziemc1 | don't you know that? |
| 01:54.15 | mckenziemc1 | listening to* |
| 01:54.29 | TC-work | I have no friends |
| 01:54.36 | wodim | same |
| 01:54.45 | TC-work | though that is by choice |
| 01:54.53 | mckenziemc | then you can tell Facebook instead |
| 01:55.03 | wodim | talking about having friends in a WoW related channel |
| 01:55.05 | TC-work | tell facebook what? |
| 01:55.10 | wodim | not very wise |
| 01:55.12 | mckenziemc | what you're doing |
| 01:55.29 | TC-work | Why would i want to do that? The only thing i have facebook for is stalking women |
| 01:55.44 | mckenziemc | sounds like you have a problem! |
| 01:56.05 | TC-work | Not that i can see |
| 01:56.49 | pompy | haha |
| 01:58.41 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/DENTN.jpg |
| 01:59.24 | wodim | uuuuh |
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| 02:12.24 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Road_sign_-Cairns,_Queensland,_Australia-26Oct2007.jpg |
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| 02:34.49 | Amarande | blah, dammit. what to do. :| |
| 02:35.04 | Amarande | Just hit 600 eng and made my goggles. Yay for prices of living steel and mage meta gems being down |
| 02:35.16 | Amarande | Not yay for trying to figure out wtf to do with this last cogwheel slot. :| |
| 02:45.19 | Mr_Rabies | what class/spec |
| 02:45.53 | Amarande | mage, arcane |
| 02:46.08 | Amarande | the trouble is that between the dragonling and goggles, there's five cogwheel slots to fill |
| 02:46.27 | Amarande | however, only four of the stats that appear on cogwheels are of any use to a mage, and each of them are unique-equipped |
| 02:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | you'll replace the dragonling first probably |
| 02:46.44 | Amarande | hmm. can you combine the Cata and Pandarian cogwheels with the same stat or are they linked for uniqueness? |
| 02:46.51 | Mr_Rabies | so focus your main two on the helms |
| 02:47.06 | Stanzilla | hit expertise mastery haste crit? |
| 02:47.17 | Amarande | Stan: casters don't use expertise, you doof :P |
| 02:47.29 | Stanzilla | Amarande: they do, it's spell hit |
| 02:47.29 | kd3 | we can. it's equivalent to hit |
| 02:47.35 | Amarande | ah |
| 02:47.37 | Amarande | when did that happen? |
| 02:47.41 | kd3 | 5.0 |
| 02:47.41 | Stanzilla | mop |
| 02:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | ah, i had no clue |
| 02:48.15 | kd3 | currently has 4,594 hit rating - 13.51% hit chance |
| 02:48.27 | kd3 | the rest of it (to 15% total) comes from expertise I've reforged in to |
| 02:49.46 | Stanzilla | Amarande: so you end up with 3 very good and 2 good stats |
| 02:49.48 | Stanzilla | sounds fine to me |
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| 02:57.31 | Amarande | holyshit KOTOR II on steam for less than the price of a cup of joe |
| 03:06.43 | Sintacks | anyione know of a sticky note type addon |
| 03:07.12 | Sintacks | nvm. someone linked notes yiou need or whatever |
| 03:10.00 | karl_w_w | why has my amazon password been changed? |
| 03:11.39 | Sintacks | cuz i hax' u |
| 03:15.13 | karl_w_w | i think it's fake |
| 03:15.17 | karl_w_w | fake and gay |
| 03:16.35 | Thunder_Child | Sintacks: as opposed to just leaving a notepad addon open? |
| 03:18.26 | Thunder_Child | or something like http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14571-NoteTote.html |
| 03:27.23 | karl_w_w | bleeter are you here? |
| 03:27.34 | Neffi | Ugh. Why does it seem like every PTR I've ever been on crashes on startup with addons |
| 03:27.39 | Shirik | http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement |
| 03:27.39 | Shirik | why |
| 03:27.42 | Shirik | whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 03:27.50 | Shirik | Ubuntu isn't a good COMPUTER OS |
| 03:27.53 | Shirik | why would you put it on a phone |
| 03:27.58 | Shirik | in b4 ubuntu isn't an OS |
| 03:27.59 | Neffi | It ain't that bad |
| 03:28.04 | Neffi | but really |
| 03:28.21 | Neffi | I was iffy on the concept of a Firefox phone. An Ubuntu phone is just unnecessary. |
| 03:29.21 | Neffi | They'd be better off putting their efforts into a fork of Android. They can put a more thorough vanilla userland in place, backport new kernel features into the Android kernel, and generally improve it as a platform. |
| 03:29.57 | Neffi | Or help to push MeeGo or whatever name it goes by nowadays |
| 03:36.48 | Arrowmaster | MeeGo is dead |
| 03:40.53 | Neffi | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57559660-94/nokias-defunct-meego-finds-new-life-as-sailfish/ |
| 03:41.01 | Neffi | Nokia execs are rehashing it |
| 03:41.06 | Neffi | hopefully |
| 03:41.17 | Arrowmaster | nokia is dead |
| 03:41.33 | Arrowmaster | they are already talking about how to divide the assets |
| 03:41.58 | pompy | http://www.indiegogo.com/infinitywars |
| 03:42.51 | Neffi | Well good thing it looks to be a pet-project of their engineers, and not them |
| 03:43.04 | Neffi | They picked it up after Nokia dropped MeeGo's support |
| 03:43.36 | Neffi | It still probably won't see the light of day, but it's still the mobile OS that I'm hoping wins out |
| 03:43.47 | Neffi | We can stand for a good departure from all this crap going on |
| 03:47.56 | Amarande | didn't Nokia get sold to Microsoft or some such? |
| 03:48.23 | karl_w_w | what's the name of that asshole |
| 03:48.31 | karl_w_w | who owns like all the newspapers in the world |
| 03:49.36 | karl_w_w | ruper murdock |
| 03:49.44 | karl_w_w | och* |
| 03:50.21 | pompy | als |
| 03:50.26 | pompy | o |
| 03:50.30 | pompy | rupert* |
| 03:53.45 | Neffi | Amarande: No. They just teamed up with Microsoft, or in other words signed away their soul |
| 03:53.45 | Neffi | They weren't bought out or anything |
| 03:54.09 | Neffi | They agreed to drop MeeGo/Symbian in favor of Windows Phone |
| 03:54.09 | Amarande | karl: Rupert Murdoch |
| 03:54.21 | Amarande | not that he's the only asshat newspaper mogul the world has ever known, nor probably the worst |
| 03:54.42 | Amarande | when you consider the long-term effects of the ban on hemp he lobbied for, William Randolph Hearst certainly takes that cake |
| 03:55.15 | Amarande | seriously, there's a ridiculously large number of people in prison today ultimately because Hearst wanted to make the competition spend more to print papers. :P |
| 03:55.52 | Amarande | I'm ... actually not sure I know of anyone who's gone to prison as a side effect of Murdoch, except maybe Murdoch's own cronies who perpetrated that UK phone scandal heh |
| 03:55.56 | Neffi | It's made worse by the fact that 100 years later, some 50% of Americans still believe in his false propaganda wholeheartedly |
| 03:55.59 | Neffi | which is really sad |
| 03:58.04 | Amarande | of course, one kind of gets the feeling Hearst pretty much hated humanity in general |
| 03:58.28 | Amarande | Kane from Citizen Kane was apparently based in large part on him, and as I remember he tried threatening the movie studios around the time said movie came out :P |
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| 05:41.30 | Arrowmaster | kd3: today is a good day |
| 05:41.42 | Arrowmaster | kd3: more nekomonogatari |
| 05:41.44 | kd3 | more kizumonogatari |
| 05:41.46 | kd3 | indeed |
| 05:41.50 | kd3 | s/kizu/neko/ |
| 05:43.21 | Arrowmaster | is kizu even subbed? |
| 05:43.27 | Arrowmaster | or out? |
| 05:43.34 | kd3 | it's not even out yet. that's later in the year |
| 05:43.52 | durcyn | 16408 interface diff is 20 megs, this should be fun |
| 05:44.09 | Arrowmaster | whats the other *gatari that starts with a K |
| 05:45.10 | kd3 | kabuki? |
| 05:45.25 | kd3 | 20 megs? it was 164k when I did the unofficial extract a few weeks back |
| 05:45.35 | kd3 | should pull it out of the client the right way and double-check |
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| 05:46.25 | durcyn | 16357:16408 diff -Nau generated a 20MB file here, yes |
| 05:46.54 | durcyn | oh, motherfucking line endings. |
| 05:47.11 | kd3 | I was about to say... |
| 05:47.20 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 05:48.33 | kd3 | yah, I got a 0-line diff from my unofficial extract to the one pulled out of the client using console commands |
| 05:48.38 | kd3 | fist-pumps |
| 05:49.55 | durcyn | some of the CWorldMap functions appear to have changed slightly, but they're not in framexml, so |
| 05:51.10 | kd3 | the arrow icon on the minimap is bigger than it is live |
| 05:52.41 | durcyn | specifically CWorldMap:CreateArrowFrame, yeah |
| 05:55.12 | jnwhiteh | is CWorldMap new to this version/ |
| 05:55.14 | jnwhiteh | or am I behind? |
| 05:55.54 | kd3 | no, the only references I see to it are in removed comments |
| 05:56.06 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 05:56.24 | jnwhiteh | My heuristic for API scan only grabs those tables that are named ^C_ |
| 05:56.31 | Sintacks | Downstream: 3971.33 KBytes/s Upstream: 57.57 KBytes/s |
| 05:56.34 | jnwhiteh | just want to make sure I dont need to update that yet. |
| 05:56.35 | Sintacks | downloading PTR |
| 05:56.35 | Sintacks | weee |
| 05:56.38 | jnwhiteh | this is still PTR< right? |
| 05:56.42 | kd3 | yah |
| 05:56.47 | jnwhiteh | cause there are changes I need to make to Clique before it hits live =) |
| 05:56.57 | kd3 | sintacks, if you want to make things faster, copy your mpqs from live to the ptr folder |
| 05:57.05 | kd3 | (while the launcher's not running, of course) |
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| 05:57.47 | Sintacks | nah. i like using bandwidth |
| 05:59.24 | durcyn | anyway, what's the mpq/dbc extraction method of choice these days? i'd like to get at the new dungeon journal entries the easier way |
| 05:59.59 | kd3 | I'm still using ladik's tool. if you don't mind doing some gruntwork in python you can use adys's python wrapper for libStorm |
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| 06:09.15 | Fisker | hah |
| 06:09.18 | Fisker | Microsoft is mad :( |
| 06:09.35 | Fisker | Youtube app for windows phone or lawlsuit! |
| 06:09.52 | kd3 | wait, what? |
| 06:09.57 | kd3 | opens up a few tabs |
| 06:10.23 | Fisker | http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2013/01/02/still-seeking-resolution-to-search-competition-issues.aspx |
| 06:10.41 | Fisker | So where's my AD "app" for Linux? |
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| 06:16.32 | Fisker | plays the worlds smallest violin :) |
| 06:19.10 | Fisker | one of the commenters are mad as well :( |
| 06:19.38 | Fisker | he says that Linux is a dead platform |
| 06:19.41 | Fisker | oh the irony |
| 06:22.49 | Neffi | It's best to make assertions like that only months after Valve denounces Windows and begins porting to Linux |
| 06:23.48 | Neffi | Ironically enough, his message probably touched dozens of Linux machines en route to the server, and then en route to its readers |
| 06:36.17 | kd3 | ! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18773158 |
| 06:37.02 | Arrowmaster | well apparently they do happen in switzerland |
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| 06:42.07 | Neffi | One more, and a YouTube video will pop up about how the Mayans were right after all, only they meant the world will end in a slow moral decline as shooting increase |
| 06:46.22 | Kaylin | pretty sure they meant fuck it this is a long enough calendar right? |
| 06:47.47 | Neffi | Actually I'm pretty sure it related to the procession of a heavenly body |
| 06:48.02 | Neffi | Most of their beliefs were based upon astronomical observations |
| 06:48.28 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it doesn't matter |
| 06:48.30 | Neffi | But being that we have next to nothing in way of their writings, it's pretty shortsighted to judge whatsoever |
| 07:08.21 | pompy | Arrowmaster: ping |
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| 07:30.47 | karl_w_w | so when you got to a restricted game on steam it asks for your date of birth |
| 07:31.01 | karl_w_w | and at the bottom it says "This data is for verification purposes only and will not be stored." |
| 07:31.17 | karl_w_w | but it is already filled in |
| 07:31.32 | karl_w_w | so it must be stored :P |
| 07:37.36 | pompy | yeah because you are logged in.. when you aren't, and you enter your bday, it makes more sense |
| 07:39.22 | durcyn | the repeated verification is some regulatory requirement, by my understanding |
| 07:42.43 | Mr_Rabies | it used to ask you every time even when logged in |
| 07:42.46 | Mr_Rabies | it kind of sucked |
| 07:42.55 | Mr_Rabies | and defaulted to whatever the default was |
| 07:43.38 | Shirik | pompy: But they agreed they wouldn't store it |
| 07:43.40 | Shirik | but they did |
| 07:43.46 | Shirik | time for a class action lawsuit |
| 07:44.00 | Shirik | that's how america works right? |
| 07:44.08 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's stored locally, actually |
| 07:44.11 | Mr_Rabies | though i can't test that |
| 07:45.20 | durcyn | it's just an embedded webkit browser, cookie storage is conceivable |
| 07:45.35 | Shirik | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 07:46.01 | Shirik | so Iran "reverse engineered" that drone they got a year or so ago |
| 07:46.11 | Shirik | now they're saying “Iran has become a world leader in UAV technology,” Iranian Deputy Science and Technology Minister Mohammed Mahdinejad said. |
| 07:49.38 | durcyn | wake me up when they're shooting up funerals in Wisconsin. |
| 07:49.56 | durcyn | (with the drones, i mean. like we do to them.) |
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| 07:59.12 | bluspacecow | lolololol |
| 07:59.14 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7199911660#8 |
| 07:59.17 | bluspacecow | i think he mad |
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| 08:09.24 | karl_w_w | <Mr_Rabies> i think it's stored locally, actually <- it doesn't say it won't be stored on our servers, it says it won't be stored at all :P |
| 08:10.07 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=547773511919318&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 |
| 08:18.41 | zenzio | might have been posted already... Cairenn|afk: http://dexbonus.tumblr.com/post/39488383556/this-is-my-human-when-human-is-fussy-i-just-pet |
| 08:42.58 | bleeter | well those patch notes inspire |
| 08:44.35 | bleeter | can't help the feeling that 5.2 is really 5.1 but there was a development problem and they got split |
| 08:44.38 | bluspacecow | =b |
| 08:45.02 | bleeter | hugs bluspacecow |
| 08:45.07 | bleeter | happy new year mate :) |
| 08:47.24 | bleeter | Shirik: If they did it with help from China, I'd be far more inclined to believe them. However, I don't think we'll ever learn in public if that is in fact what's happened |
| 08:47.43 | bleeter | Shirik: or Russia, for that matter. I presume the Russians are in Iran as much as they're in Syria |
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| 08:49.45 | bleeter | is there a farm API yet? |
| 08:50.05 | bleeter | mate of mine is manually tracking his crops across 10 toons using a spreadsheet |
| 08:50.39 | bleeter | entering everything manually... got me wondering if there's some kinda API thing we can use to query the state of the farm when in the subzone |
| 08:50.53 | bleeter | the state of each plot, contents etc. |
| 08:51.42 | Kaylin | anyone figure out how much the farm will be to buy, if it can be known yet? |
| 08:52.05 | bleeter | I've not started downloading the PTR yet... dunno |
| 08:52.14 | bleeter | but I expected it'd be worth more than a certain yakkish mount |
| 08:52.30 | Kaylin | ugh I was hoping it'd be a reasonable amount like 10k |
| 08:53.35 | nevcairiel | everything is a gold sink these days |
| 08:54.35 | bleeter | anyone got recommendations for a decent dailies tracking addon? |
| 08:54.52 | bleeter | yeah, getting the gold is easy. tracking it across 5+ toons... brainpain |
| 08:57.30 | bluspacecow | *hugs bleeter* |
| 08:57.41 | bluspacecow | should be able to copy MPQs from Live to make the download smaller |
| 08:57.49 | Kaylin | ^ |
| 08:57.56 | bluspacecow | Oh yeah. There should be an API diff out soon :P |
| 08:58.12 | bleeter | bluspacecow: you lie! |
| 08:58.23 | bleeter | it's not 'soon', it's 'soon(tm)' |
| 08:58.30 | bleeter | :P |
| 08:59.44 | Mr_Rabies | bleeter, i dunno if it will exactly fulfill his needs but point him towards spade |
| 09:00.11 | Mr_Rabies | it'll track all crops on all characters, including which crop jogu's told you about in the last 24 hours |
| 09:00.24 | bluspacecow | well it's up |
| 09:00.32 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/spade |
| 09:00.33 | bluspacecow | someone just needs to do the thingy in the console mode |
| 09:00.44 | bluspacecow | exportinterfacefiles code |
| 09:01.01 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: cherers, will pass it on |
| 09:01.01 | bluspacecow | then take a diff on that as compared to the last diff done |
| 09:01.02 | bleeter | cheers |
| 09:01.11 | Fisker | you are being blamed Antiarc |
| 09:01.59 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16408 << it's oh-so-boring. |
| 09:04.52 | bleeter | oh wow http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16408/Cooldown.xml/diff |
| 09:05.42 | bleeter | idly wonders what else 'still exists' from 1.10 ;) |
| 09:08.17 | foxlit | bleeter: http://pastebin.com/2tNxDwne |
| 09:09.10 | bleeter | heh, figured there'd be a bunch of localisation stuff that hadn't changed |
| 09:09.32 | bleeter | hang on |
| 09:10.03 | nevcairiel | some of the stuff is like from 1.1 or 1.2, man :p |
| 09:10.12 | bleeter | oh, nm... I wasn't reading the SQL properly. for a moment there I thought it was saying the barbershop was in 1.10 =) |
| 09:10.32 | nevcairiel | well admittedly not much can go wrong in a file like this |
| 09:10.34 | nevcairiel | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16408/FadingFrame.xml |
| 09:11.48 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: fwiw, my friend says Spade's more to make planting etc. easier. He doesn't care about that. Just wants to track across toons who's planted what and totals on hand. kinda altoholic style. I note that it's by foxlit so maybe if he gets super bored one day... ;) |
| 09:12.02 | Mr_Rabies | it has that |
| 09:12.04 | Mr_Rabies | /spade |
| 09:12.18 | Mr_Rabies | not totals on hand though, unfortunately |
| 09:12.25 | bleeter | hmm |
| 09:12.28 | Mr_Rabies | but altoholic DOES track that |
| 09:12.41 | bleeter | ok I'll go shout at him some more |
| 09:14.02 | bleeter | YOU'LL BE PLEASED TO HEAR I USED ALLCAPS WHEN I DISCOVERED HE'D NOT ACTUALLY TRIED SPADE BUT ONLY READ THE DESCRIPTION |
| 09:14.06 | bleeter | friends... so overrated |
| 09:14.14 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 09:15.10 | Mr_Rabies | if he responds negatiely again record a hateful message on vocaroo and send it to him |
| 09:15.15 | Mr_Rabies | negatively |
| 09:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | this is what you see when you type /spade http://media-curse.cursecdn.com/attachments/79/743/b32bb696691a7f484a4ab1fbb28a99b7.jpg |
| 09:17.07 | Kalroth | sheeds, eh? |
| 09:17.27 | foxlit | juishy sheeds, Lakroth. |
| 09:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | jogu's drinks like a fish |
| 09:17.34 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 09:17.35 | Mr_Rabies | manfish |
| 09:24.25 | chiel | in what sequence do events fire when an addon loads? |
| 09:24.39 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: just goes to show... one can tell someone a thing is for them but until you show them a shopped jpg... ;) |
| 09:26.46 | bleeter | anyways, I've now told him if it's not perfect to bloody well learn Lua and send foxlit patches |
| 09:26.56 | bleeter | hugs foxlit |
| 09:27.00 | bleeter | HAPPY NEW YEAR MATE! |
| 09:27.52 | foxlit | bleeter: :) |
| 09:28.43 | bleeter | ugh |
| 09:29.13 | bleeter | is there any way to increase the size of the chat text input box? like to two or three lines? I guess I'd be after something prat-tish or similar |
| 09:31.06 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 09:31.08 | Mr_Rabies | that's a good point |
| 09:31.30 | Mr_Rabies | i know prat can move it to the top of the frame (that's where i have mine) but i can't remember if there are size options |
| 09:31.47 | Mr_Rabies | i move my chat window to the very bottom of the screen and have the editbox ontop of that |
| 09:32.17 | zenzio | "Was the Wookie language fully designed or is it just random emotionally-relevant sounds?" -- "It's not actually an alien language. It's just the world's strongest Scottish accent" |
| 09:32.35 | chiel | hahahhaa |
| 09:36.11 | Mr_Rabies | say what you will about robot chicken, the sketch where it turns out chewie's just a nudist and wookies normally wear clothes is gold |
| 09:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c69JkiUa0DE for those in countries that time warner doesn't hate |
| 09:37.10 | chiel | hmm, is there a way to get the type of instance you're in? |
| 09:39.03 | nevcairiel | !api IsInInstance |
| 09:39.03 | lua_bot | IsInInstance: Returns whether the player is in an instance (and its type if applicable) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsInInstance) |
| 09:39.14 | chiel | ah splendid |
| 09:39.16 | chiel | thank you |
| 09:39.38 | nevcairiel | if you need more details like normal vs heroic, 10man vs 25 vs lfr, there is another function for that |
| 09:39.53 | chiel | excellent :) |
| 09:40.39 | nevcairiel | i forgot what it was called though |
| 09:40.48 | chiel | i guess you do IsInInstance and then GetRaidDifficulty if the instance type is a raid? |
| 09:43.05 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me |
| 09:43.11 | nevcairiel | GetInstanceInfo is what gives you all the info |
| 09:43.17 | chiel | ah okay :) |
| 09:43.19 | chiel | thank you |
| 09:43.25 | Mr_Rabies | are there any addons that duplicate the minimap difficulty/raid size thing |
| 09:43.29 | Mr_Rabies | to LBD? |
| 09:43.30 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 09:43.32 | Mr_Rabies | LDB |
| 09:43.39 | nevcairiel | although they seem to have replaced its use with another one in 5.2 |
| 09:43.59 | nevcairiel | oh no, |
| 09:44.05 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.14 | Mr_Rabies | i have it hidden because it's huge and ugly so i always ask my raid members to check the raid size and difficulty before i zone into a raid :p |
| 09:44.35 | nevcairiel | that small flag is huge and ugly? |
| 09:44.38 | nevcairiel | i kinda like it =p |
| 09:44.44 | chiel | yeah i like it too :p |
| 09:45.16 | Mr_Rabies | i have no minimap buttons |
| 09:46.04 | Mr_Rabies | the mail one pops up when i mouseover the minimap if i have mail |
| 09:46.12 | Mr_Rabies | same with the instance queue one, if i'm queued |
| 09:46.27 | Mr_Rabies | apparently chinchilla can't auto-hide the difficulty one, though :( |
| 09:46.33 | nevcairiel | its not really a minimap button, i moved the instance indicator thing elsewhere |
| 09:48.01 | bleeter | lol zenzio |
| 09:48.05 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really have a great place to put it |
| 09:49.10 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/zCA0i.jpg |
| 09:49.19 | Mr_Rabies | there's a few-months-old pic of my UI |
| 09:49.54 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: could you ask Mythorfir a question for me please? |
| 09:49.59 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 09:50.01 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: "asl?" |
| 09:50.06 | Mr_Rabies | he's like |
| 09:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | 40-50 |
| 09:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | and a ...fedex..? driver |
| 09:50.36 | Mr_Rabies | in like....arizona |
| 09:50.43 | bleeter | I'm like 'ergh' them I'm 'ugh' then 'hmm' then 'hahaha' |
| 09:51.06 | bleeter | the other question I have |
| 09:51.16 | bleeter | is why did my brother not buy sufficient alcohol for me? |
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| 09:51.45 | Mr_Rabies | is there a such thing as sufficient alcohol for an aussie |
| 09:52.25 | bleeter | foxlit: fwiw I've told my mate to run any Spade Suggestions past me first and see if we can bang together even some pseudocode type foo. I'd rather he learn 2 lua than hassle you (he's a mac programmer by trade) |
| 09:52.47 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I see you comprehend the issue at hand very well. |
| 09:52.54 | bleeter | gold star and early minute for you! |
| 09:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 09:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | i've found the best way to get feedback implemented is to pester them as often as possible |
| 09:53.51 | bleeter | on the subject of alcohol, saw one of the best guild names today: <Probably Drunk> |
| 09:54.05 | Mr_Rabies | like, hey ckknight, can you rewrite all the mouseover code so i can have percentages listed on the target frame until i mouseover, then list raw values |
| 09:54.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm responsible for at least 90% of pitbull's perceived bloat |
| 09:54.37 | Mr_Rabies | you're welcome |
| 09:54.39 | foxlit | bleeter: Have fun. I'm a bit reluctant to implement anything that requires real localization, but using that could open some nice options. |
| 09:54.48 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: lol. nah, as a hacker on other FOSS projects, I do appreciate even some pseudocode or an attempt to write shit (even if it's crap code) |
| 09:54.50 | mitch0 | Mr_Rabies: perceived? |
| 09:55.08 | bleeter | foxlit: will keep that in mind :) |
| 09:55.13 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know there actually is (or even if people think it is) |
| 09:55.13 | foxlit | (curse you, Division by zero errors on PTR!) |
| 09:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | but i pestered ckknight to add so many features that he probably didn't really want to add |
| 09:55.51 | Mr_Rabies | back in tbc :p |
| 09:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just kidding bleeter |
| 09:57.24 | Mr_Rabies | of course it's not actually useful most of the time to just pester people |
| 09:58.13 | Mr_Rabies | but i try to make sure people know i'm just suggesting things, not requesting or trying to design things for them, and i don't really care how long it takes to implement |
| 09:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | i do know that often having suggestions mentioned to me make me think in ways i normally wouldn't, so i try to offer a second brain if i think of something that'd be cool :p |
| 10:00.27 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: nawww, shatter my faith in you next time why don't you! ;) |
| 10:00.32 | bleeter | also |
| 10:00.48 | bleeter | Terrace of Endless September << has there ever been a better raid name? |
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| 10:01.05 | bleeter | sure, they use the word Spring... but us old folks know what it really means ;) |
| 10:02.00 | Mr_Rabies | hm, just reading about it |
| 10:02.15 | Mr_Rabies | that's about when my parents' office got AOL |
| 10:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | nah...that was more like 1995 |
| 10:03.11 | Mr_Rabies | 1993 we still had a 486 with a monochrome display as the main office pc |
| 10:03.41 | bleeter | nods sagesly and strokes his grey whiskers |
| 10:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | i used to blast wheel of fortune for DOS, probably driving all the office workers insane |
| 10:03.49 | bleeter | s/sagesly/sagely/ |
| 10:03.59 | Mr_Rabies | pc speaker was turned to 11 constantly |
| 10:04.03 | Mr_Rabies | and that game was boopin' |
| 10:04.28 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2gdJy-L55A |
| 10:04.39 | Mr_Rabies | imagine this blasting while you're trying to fill out paperwork |
| 10:04.40 | bleeter | endless september is why I claim the final days happened in 1993 :) |
| 10:06.35 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if anyone will ever have a fancy name for the day /b/ opened |
| 10:07.14 | Mr_Rabies | i know i have a rough estimate on where it stopped being a place for discourse and original content and turned into the behemoth it is today |
| 10:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | late 2006, early 2007 |
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| 10:08.37 | Mr_Rabies | that's around the time i stopped being able to see every thread on /b/ if i scrolled quickly...now i haven't been in around a year or so on purpose |
| 10:10.54 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I'm more intrigued as to which year it was that /b/ started taking credit for memes that were around last century |
| 10:11.05 | bleeter | not just which year, but which specific meme was first |
| 10:11.49 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, a lot of early /b/tards were from somethingawful |
| 10:11.59 | Mr_Rabies | almost all the original founders were goons |
| 10:12.18 | Mr_Rabies | so i'd say probably the day it opened or shortly thereafter :p |
| 10:12.31 | bleeter | nowai! ;) |
| 10:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | SA doesn't really create memes anymore though, it's so big that they often run into the ground and become bannable before they even have a chance to leave the site |
| 10:13.42 | Mr_Rabies | i can't say i really miss it though, the catchphrases were pretty awful before there was basically a blanket ban on them |
| 10:14.30 | Mr_Rabies | "wom" was probably the last successful one, and that never really left the site, and got ran into the ground fast, to boot |
| 10:16.17 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a little addicted to the internet and internet communities |
| 10:16.38 | Mr_Rabies | if i could get paid to do what i do i'd be pretty darn pleased :X |
| 10:19.21 | bluspacecow | hommmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee timmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:19.23 | foxlit | /run math.log10(0) crashes the PTR client |
| 10:20.20 | Mr_Rabies | at least it's only the client |
| 10:20.21 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 10:21.00 | Mr_Rabies | what should that do, with proper behavior, foxlit? just refuse to run the problem due to divide by zero? |
| 10:21.20 | Mr_Rabies | er run the formula or whatever |
| 10:21.21 | foxlit | return -math.huge |
| 10:21.45 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish i could think like you guys :( |
| 10:22.21 | Mr_Rabies | the closest thing to coding i can do is mIRC scripting, and that's honestly closer to BASIC than anything modern |
| 10:22.31 | Mr_Rabies | and i've lost most of my chops in that even |
| 10:22.46 | Kalroth | it should throw an exception instead of returning a fake/false value |
| 10:22.55 | foxlit | mirc scripting is virtually unreadable :) |
| 10:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | it reads like english to me |
| 10:23.17 | Kalroth | maybe thats your problem, Mr_Rabies :p |
| 10:23.23 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, most of my scripts are pretty simple |
| 10:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | but, say, an away script is like, this complex, at most |
| 10:24.02 | foxlit | Kalroth: maybe in another language. |
| 10:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | on *:text:*Rabies*:*:{ |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | } |
| 10:24.26 | Mr_Rabies | away-response script |
| 10:24.29 | Kalroth | haha |
| 10:24.42 | Mr_Rabies | i don't use that anymore because it's been built into the client and also no one cares |
| 10:24.56 | foxlit | But throwing errors on floating point exceptions in Lua is asinine. |
| 10:25.39 | Mr_Rabies | and a script to slap everyone in the channel with someone else in the channel is like... |
| 10:25.52 | Mr_Rabies | 9 lines, when expanded like that |
| 10:25.55 | Elkano | yeah, mirc scripting isn't that hard... unless you try to react to some strange raw events ;) |
| 10:26.03 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: the first line of that already has more stars than I can guess the purpose of :) |
| 10:26.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, raw events are kind of a pain |
| 10:26.54 | Elkano | I did some e.g. for auto-invite into channels set to +i or where I was banned ;) |
| 10:27.08 | Mr_Rabies | on wildcarduserlevel:text:wildcardcontainingthewordrabieswithanotherwildcardhere:inanychannelorwindow:{ |
| 10:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | i think |
| 10:27.56 | Mr_Rabies | they're not too bad but raw events are...kind of odd |
| 10:28.05 | Mr_Rabies | servers don't really like being super standardized or reliable about some |
| 10:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | or timely |
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| 10:30.53 | Mr_Rabies | i could condense that script down to on *:text:*Rabies*:*:{if ($away == $true) {.notice $nick I am away: %reason $+ . PM me if you need something.} else {halt}} |
| 10:30.55 | Mr_Rabies | i think |
| 10:31.10 | Mr_Rabies | but it's harder to copy and paste my old code or modify things if i do that |
| 10:31.20 | Mr_Rabies | that's about all i can do |
| 10:31.47 | Mr_Rabies | a little basic (learned on that 486 in qbasic) a little mirc scripting, and batch files |
| 10:31.54 | Mr_Rabies | so basically nothing important |
| 10:32.04 | Mr_Rabies | other than batch files, arguably |
| 10:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | i just can't think in terms of objects and classes and whatnot, it goes right over my head |
| 10:34.18 | mckenziemc | self:Poke(Mr_Rabies) |
| 10:35.32 | Kalroth | IRC["freenode"].User["Mr_Rabies"] = null |
| 10:43.25 | karl_w_w | try {care(msg)} catch(TooBoring e){if (e.user=="mckenziemc"){WhaleNuke(e.user)} else {msg = null}} |
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| 10:50.42 | mckenziemc | comforts karl_w_w |
| 11:24.21 | foxlit | hm, there must be some easily accessible mob type in pandaria that stuns you. |
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| 11:40.45 | karl_w_w | yes foxlit |
| 11:40.56 | karl_w_w | the beast handler guys on the daily island |
| 11:40.59 | karl_w_w | in townlong |
| 11:42.34 | foxlit | The not-silithid? |
| 11:42.41 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 11:42.47 | karl_w_w | mogu i think they are |
| 11:43.18 | foxlit | ah. I was thinking of the insects and wondering why they'd tame beasts. |
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| 11:44.57 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=62530#abilities << no stun? :( |
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| 13:04.48 | mikma | http://i.imgur.com/XKtZC.jpg |
| 13:05.58 | Humbedooh | bah, don't remind me of death :\ |
| 13:06.58 | Humbedooh | going to the hospital today to find out if I have either cancer or my guts are seeping through my diaphragm |
| 13:07.01 | Humbedooh | yay me! |
| 13:07.32 | Humbedooh | also, not yay for the pain |
| 13:08.35 | mikma | maybe it's just diarrhea |
| 13:08.43 | Humbedooh | nope :| |
| 13:08.51 | haste | mikma -- the helpful one |
| 13:09.13 | haste | going to copenhagen tomorrow Fisker |
| 13:09.18 | haste | you've been warned |
| 13:09.34 | Humbedooh | going to buy 20kg of meat like any decent norwegian? |
| 13:09.35 | Kalroth | haste: Fisker got a hotel of one room where you can spoon with him |
| 13:09.35 | Fisker | ok haste |
| 13:09.39 | Fisker | staying away from copenhagen then |
| 13:09.58 | haste | Humbedooh: nah, get enough of that from sweden |
| 13:10.18 | haste | Kalroth: awesome |
| 13:10.29 | Fisker | by any chance you wouldn't have to be transporting a lot of fertilizer in a white van haste ? |
| 13:10.37 | haste | hush |
| 13:11.10 | Kalroth | u hush LOL |
| 13:11.59 | mikma | humbedooh: http://imgur.com/gallery/yy4Q7 |
| 13:13.35 | Humbedooh | don hertzfeldt for the win |
| 13:14.16 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=62293#abilities foxlit |
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| 13:22.26 | mikma | humbedooh: http://i.imgur.com/suOG6.jpg |
| 13:26.12 | Humbedooh | neither |
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| 14:26.47 | Fisker | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-02/amazon-wins-dismissal-of-apple-s-false-advertising-claim.html <-it would be sweet if the cases were actually won because the argument was absurd rather than apple being too hip to be affected by it. |
| 14:27.32 | bluspacecow | MovieRecordingGetTexImage Use GetTexImage instead of ReadPixels |
| 14:27.34 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 14:27.39 | bluspacecow | LOL |
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| 14:36.29 | Fisker | so nevcairiel Stanzilla Gnarfoz etc.? |
| 14:36.41 | Stanzilla | what |
| 14:36.42 | Stanzilla | hi |
| 14:36.43 | nevcairiel | wut |
| 14:36.47 | Fisker | hey you |
| 14:37.11 | Fisker | so all the vpro/amt shit in intel also requires motherboard support right? |
| 14:37.21 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 14:37.30 | Fisker | penis |
| 14:37.31 | Fisker | and cock |
| 14:38.12 | Fisker | i hope asus makes a decent board that has it |
| 14:38.13 | Fisker | i want |
| 14:38.15 | nevcairiel | should be in the Q series boards |
| 14:38.22 | Fisker | ;( |
| 14:38.28 | nevcairiel | wonder if asus has one with a Q chipset |
| 14:38.40 | Fisker | they rarely have |
| 14:39.11 | nevcairiel | didnt they have one with a C chipset instead |
| 14:39.26 | nevcairiel | hey two Q77 boards |
| 14:39.46 | Fisker | but is Q77 otherwise handicapped or just a P77 with the other stuff? |
| 14:39.56 | Fisker | if they even have a p77 |
| 14:40.04 | nevcairiel | i thought intel didnt do P anymore |
| 14:40.05 | Fisker | dunno if they just scrapped it completely and went with z77 |
| 14:40.11 | Fisker | ^^ then |
| 14:40.20 | nevcairiel | there is also a C206 board |
| 14:40.37 | Fisker | those are probably for the pentium/celeron nonsense |
| 14:40.38 | nevcairiel | probably expensive though |
| 14:40.51 | nevcairiel | nah, C206 is the server/workstation chipset |
| 14:40.57 | nevcairiel | for xeons really |
| 14:41.12 | Fisker | ah |
| 14:41.30 | nevcairiel | runs normal SNB/IVB too though |
| 14:42.01 | nevcairiel | no idea which of the AMT/vPro features they support |
| 14:42.05 | nevcairiel | dont seem to advertise it |
| 14:42.20 | Fisker | it makes me rawr |
| 14:42.25 | Fisker | i want cool management shit |
| 14:43.12 | nevcairiel | i have a C204 board in my server, it has remote management on a dedicated LAN port, quite fun |
| 14:43.22 | nevcairiel | but its a true server board |
| 14:44.01 | Fisker | yeah :( |
| 14:44.24 | bluspacecow | fikser |
| 14:44.25 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 14:45.39 | bluspacecow | ~framexml |
| 14:45.39 | purl | from memory, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 14:51.26 | Fisker | oh hai bluspacecow |
| 14:51.31 | Fisker | want to have sex |
| 14:51.33 | Fisker | ? |
| 14:51.37 | bluspacecow | yep! |
| 14:51.42 | Fisker | me too |
| 14:55.33 | mckenziemc | gives Fisker a fleshlight. |
| 14:55.48 | mckenziemc | that's the best you're gonna get, Fisker, so get used to it |
| 14:56.05 | Fisker | my server is using 1337MB ram right now |
| 14:56.22 | mckenziemc | old |
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| 15:02.26 | zenzio | "I have thousands of VC++ 6 Projects, now i want to batch upgrade and build them to VC++ 2010"... I sure hope he's exaggerrating |
| 15:02.50 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause that will work out *brilliantly*. |
| 15:04.49 | mikma | mm.ähg-g h,.-hh' |
| 15:04.49 | mikma | [2~' |
| 15:04.52 | mikma | [2~' |
| 15:05.11 | zenzio | I think that's roughly how he'll end up feeling Mike-N-Go |
| 15:05.16 | zenzio | sorry, mikma |
| 15:05.32 | zenzio | too many mik* for my lazy tab-complete :( |
| 15:05.42 | Mike-N-Go | hum? |
| 15:06.08 | Mike-N-Go | Bah I quit out of a video game because you pinged me =P |
| 15:06.24 | zenzio | this is why you should have two monitors! |
| 15:06.34 | Mike-N-Go | !lart zenzio |
| 15:06.44 | zenzio | ~lart zenzio |
| 15:06.44 | purl | puts zenzio through a wood chipper |
| 15:06.48 | Mike-N-Go | I do! But the laptop lid is closed. |
| 15:07.16 | zenzio | tsk tsk |
| 15:07.19 | zenzio | anyway, sorry :) |
| 15:16.35 | bluspacecow | sleep tiems! |
| 15:42.43 | TC-work | So many people calling in sick and all i can think of is "It's the most wonderful time, of the year" |
| 15:43.03 | Maldivia | just don't go to a gym... way too crowded |
| 15:43.13 | Lopeppeppy | Time to share germs, on planes, trains, and around the dinner table! |
| 15:43.20 | TC-work | Not for long Maldivia |
| 15:43.31 | Maldivia | only a few moew weeks, yeah ;P |
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| 15:48.03 | |Jelly| | Man that electric heating pad is hard to get up from. |
| 15:48.26 | TC-work | Try Viagra. |
| 15:48.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hell yes. |
| 15:49.06 | |Jelly| | Why? The electricity has just enough kink! |
| 15:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | That's why I put mine on a *timer*, Jelly, so it turns off and gives me a reason to get out of bed. |
| 15:49.18 | TC-work | A comment it seems Lopeppeppy can get infront of. |
| 15:49.44 | |Jelly| | Peppy: I don't have a timer, nor a reason to get out of bed, really. |
| 15:50.38 | VIad | Semlar: fixed the tooltips with proper coloring http://vlacula.no-ip.com/wow/zdkp/i=93278 |
| 15:51.25 | Maldivia | Peppy: if you could turn it to cooling, then it would be a reason to get out of bed... but just turning it off, well... enough residual heat to last a long time :P |
| 15:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | Mine turns off at midnight, Maldivia. |
| 15:54.28 | Maldivia | so it's already off when going to bed ? :) |
| 15:57.20 | Lopeppeppy | Don't I wish? I'm in bed at 10. |
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| 15:59.01 | Mike-N-Go | Germs last longer in the cold. Days longer. |
| 15:59.16 | Mike-N-Go | Like on surfaces like the floor. |
| 16:03.29 | Unkle | And you can deep freeze a mammoth and eat it thousands of years later. Mmmmm... |
| 16:03.49 | Semlar | probably doesn't keep that well |
| 16:03.49 | Lopeppeppy | Well, you *can* eat it, but it doesn't taste good. |
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| 16:08.24 | Semlar | deep-freezes vlad |
| 16:10.35 | |Jelly| | Although, I am cold now. :( |
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| 16:13.45 | Semlar | viad |
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| 16:27.39 | |Jelly| | And the farming gods shit on me today. One golden lotus. :( |
| 16:29.33 | Unkle | Take that manure and plow it into the soil, son. |
| 16:31.51 | Jammer | is it better to farm herbs or spirits for golden lotus? |
| 16:31.52 | Maldivia | ... that sounds really dirty... |
| 16:32.14 | |Jelly| | You get 1 lotus per spirit, right? |
| 16:32.18 | |Jelly| | err 2 |
| 16:32.24 | Unkle | Jammer: The return from enigma seeds is usually pretty good. |
| 16:32.41 | foxlit | enigma seeds win. by a lot. |
| 16:32.49 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I usually average 5-7 lotus, where I could only get 2 lotus per day with spirits |
| 16:33.06 | foxlit | (call it 3) |
| 16:33.06 | Unkle | I've ogtten as many as 7 lotus from planting all 16 in my farm. |
| 16:34.22 | foxlit | can I solo Ulduar? |
| 16:34.30 | Maldivia | yes |
| 16:34.38 | Maldivia | werll, you probably can't |
| 16:34.55 | Unkle | Lots of mechanics that require at least 2 people. |
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| 16:49.10 | karl_w_w | wow i just did something I'll never reproduce |
| 16:49.20 | karl_w_w | i was in shrine of the seven stars |
| 16:49.25 | karl_w_w | running around on fot |
| 16:49.27 | karl_w_w | foot |
| 16:49.53 | karl_w_w | and i jumped off the outside platform onto the very edge of the stairs leading down |
| 16:50.02 | karl_w_w | and i slid down it |
| 16:50.12 | karl_w_w | like i was on a skateboard or something |
| 16:50.25 | Unkle | Terrain surfing. |
| 16:50.58 | Mike-N-Go | Any of you know ISP startup peoples that hwak our IRC channel? I would enjoy to know their name(s). |
| 16:51.31 | karl_w_w | certainly one of the stranger questions I've heard here |
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| 16:52.34 | Mike-N-Go | karl_w_w: Thanks. That was the kind of question I was aiming for! |
| 16:59.10 | Lopeppeppy | As in, you're looking for freenode staff? |
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| 17:03.54 | TC-work | we used to have a freenode staffer that idled in here, but that may have just been for security. |
| 17:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | Usually when I log in I get a freenode service message about freenode-stuff - that might include what you're looking for. |
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| 17:11.45 | kd3 | eesh at the ruby sqli mess |
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| 17:19.05 | kd3 | also, bored people in wow are crazy: http://i.imgur.com/SlP1q.jpg |
| 17:20.02 | TC-work | That's disturbingly impressive |
| 17:20.43 | kd3 | the worldserver crashed not that long after due to the ~1500 skeletons, says the forum thread |
| 17:21.27 | foxlit | on the bright side, the PTR client doesn't seem to be whining about UIDROPDOWN_SOMETHING_SILLY being userdata. |
| 17:34.52 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday Tolkien! |
| 17:35.37 | Semlar | IMPOSSIBLE |
| 17:35.54 | Semlar | did they actually fix something |
| 17:36.25 | TC-work | I feel that for continuities sake, birthdays should stop after the person dies. Just starts to get rather silly. |
| 17:36.47 | Semlar | you only have one birth day |
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| 17:36.51 | Cairenn|afk | TC-work: :p |
| 17:36.56 | Lopeppeppy | I feel that birthdays should stop after the first one. What's the big freakin' deal after that? |
| 17:36.57 | foxlit | They fix plenty of things, but it's never enough. |
| 17:37.16 | Semlar | so death isn't really a factor |
| 17:37.56 | TC-work | Well, a celebration of your birth while you are still alive seems to be a bit more reasonable than after you are dead. |
| 17:38.06 | TC-work | grins @ Cairenn|afk |
| 17:38.45 | Adys | Im installing arch on my mom's laptop with LXDE. Can anyone recommend a gtk-based removable device manager? (something that goes in the systray) |
| 17:39.24 | Lopeppeppy | TC, that should be a celebration for your parents that they survived the trauma - YOU should be making THEM a cake. :) |
| 17:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | In the generic "you" versus "TC go do something nice for your parents NOW" |
| 17:39.41 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: Meh, they had a choice, you did not. |
| 17:39.54 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 17:39.59 | TC-work | Yea, that ain't going to happen. |
| 17:40.17 | Semlar | is this a new ptr? |
| 17:41.05 | Semlar | i'm just curious because someone said they eventually made it so you can't log onto these with expired accounts |
| 17:41.28 | Semlar | and i just made a character |
| 17:41.48 | TC-work | they may not have flushed it yet |
| 17:42.00 | TC-work | new ptr patch != cache flushing |
| 17:42.10 | Semlar | evidently |
| 17:46.49 | karl_w_w | jesus they finally fixed character copy |
| 17:47.08 | karl_w_w | it only took them the whole of 5.1 ptr |
| 17:47.52 | Lopeppeppy | When has character copy ever been smooth, easy, awesome, wonderful? |
| 17:49.43 | karl_w_w | difference between not smooth and completely non-functional :P |
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| 17:51.02 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah? Non-functional is just a shade on the spectrum of awesomeness. |
| 17:52.31 | karl_w_w | damn junkies talkin about spectrums of awesomeness! |
| 17:53.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not the one upset because I can't get my character-copy fix. |
| 17:55.42 | Arrowmaster | Adys: why lxde? |
| 17:56.28 | Adys | Arrowmaster: GNOME is shit, KDE is way too slow/heavy, Razor isn't good enough, Cinnamon is a pain to install, Im not a fan of XFCE |
| 17:56.44 | Adys | and i wanted to try lxde |
| 17:57.00 | Fisker | hey Adys |
| 17:57.03 | Adys | ive been positively surprised altho its still rough on a lot of edges :/ |
| 17:57.07 | Fisker | whos mad bro? |
| 17:57.08 | Adys | hi Fisker |
| 17:57.12 | Arrowmaster | Adys: cinnamon is easy to install on debian |
| 17:57.29 | Arrowmaster | Adys: its in unstable now |
| 17:57.43 | Adys | Arrowmaster: its in the AUR on arch. with bigass warnings |
| 17:57.55 | Fisker | hi Adys |
| 17:58.03 | Fisker | http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2013/01/02/still-seeking-resolution-to-search-competition-issues.aspx |
| 17:58.06 | Arrowmaster | fails again at trying to convert Adys to Debian |
| 17:58.38 | Adys | Fisker: in a min |
| 17:58.43 | Adys | Arrowmaster: big time |
| 17:58.47 | Fisker | i'm not even sure a violin that small could be made by traditional matter |
| 17:58.47 | Adys | also im so happy i got her arch |
| 17:58.52 | Fisker | basically Adys |
| 17:59.05 | Adys | i was kinda afraid itd be too complex but with lxde on top it works really well |
| 17:59.06 | Fisker | Microsoft is QQ'ing over Google being anti-competitive by not letting them offer an youtube app |
| 17:59.22 | Fisker | the irony is delicious |
| 17:59.28 | Adys | I found mount-gtk but it uses gtk3 and is kinda ugly, also im not sure it works fine |
| 17:59.35 | Adys | Fisker: how arent they letting them? |
| 17:59.52 | Fisker | idk they need a license i guess? |
| 17:59.55 | Arrowmaster | apparently android and iphone use some special youtube api that microsoft isnt allowed to use |
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| 18:04.13 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies, kd3, haste: http://youtu.be/4fp8hhXaMfQ |
| 18:07.09 | haste | mechwarrior! |
| 18:07.18 | Arrowmaster | !! |
| 18:07.26 | Arrowmaster | its macross |
| 18:07.45 | haste | never been a mecha fan :( |
| 18:08.07 | Arrowmaster | what about singing? |
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| 18:09.45 | haste | the media center here is named ranka |
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| 18:10.36 | Arrowmaster | why if you dont like mecha? |
| 18:12.05 | Fisker | i ranka'd your mom |
| 18:13.33 | haste | because other people here do Arrowmaster |
| 18:14.10 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 18:14.10 | Lopeppeppy | I found an action figure for Peppy this past weekend. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121102051853/spyro/images/1/1b/Sprocket_Promo.jpg |
| 18:14.20 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 18:14.28 | Fisker | :)? |
| 18:14.54 | haste | I didn't |
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| 18:20.03 | Fisker | punches haste |
| 18:20.33 | haste | dodges. |
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| 18:22.29 | TC-work | why are 7.1 wall mounted speaker systems so damn difficult to find. |
| 18:22.46 | Semlar | because they're a pain in the ass |
| 18:23.12 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: hahaha, that's perfect for you |
| 18:23.17 | Cairenn|afk | Lopeppeppy: it'd be good for Seerah too |
| 18:23.18 | TC-work | .Doesn't mean they should not be made |
| 18:23.58 | Seerah | :) |
| 18:23.59 | Nimhfree | Does anyone know where to get a description of the MoP questcache.wdb structure? |
| 18:24.28 | Cairenn|afk | Seerah: this is what I was talking about: |
| 18:24.28 | Cairenn|afk | (1:13:58 PM) Lopeppeppy: I found an action figure for Peppy this past weekend. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121102051853/spyro/images/1/1b/Sprocket_Promo.jpg |
| 18:24.48 | Mike-N-Go | I am not looking for freenode staff, but thanks for the try-help. |
| 18:24.59 | Mike-N-Go | Hi Cairenn|afk Long time, no hunt. |
| 18:25.15 | Seerah | Cairenn|afk: yeah, I scrolled up :) Maybe if she were a little more mage-ish though ;) |
| 18:25.27 | Semlar | tc-work there are several on amazon |
| 18:25.30 | kd3 | sigh |
| 18:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | I wish she were more rogue-like, but... SPROCKET! |
| 18:25.44 | Semlar | i'm also fairly sure you can just get a receiver and plug whatever you want into it |
| 18:25.49 | kd3 | "hey kd3. since you're moving, come take this couch we've had in the basement for more than a decade now." |
| 18:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | If there were a boy one I'd be overnighting it to Zootfizzle. |
| 18:25.57 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: it looks like she's made out of bronze |
| 18:25.58 | kd3 | one trip to the dump later to get rid of a mouse-infested sleeper-sofa... |
| 18:26.50 | TC-work | Semlar: Link me one? |
| 18:27.02 | Semlar | http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-SKS-HT540-Channel-Theater-Speaker/dp/B000GU78Z4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357237466&sr=1-1&keywords=7.1+speakers |
| 18:27.08 | Semlar | http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S5500-7-1-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B0077V88ZE/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1357237466&sr=1-6&keywords=7.1+speakers |
| 18:27.41 | Adys | Arrowmaster: gtk-mount is crap :/ |
| 18:27.44 | Adys | what does cinnamon use? |
| 18:27.57 | karl_w_w | why not just buy your own receiver and whatever speakers suit? |
| 18:28.07 | Semlar | yeah that's what i was saying |
| 18:28.17 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i dont know but it has a builtin thing in the systray |
| 18:28.19 | Semlar | i think that's usually what people do when they want something specialized |
| 18:28.20 | TC-work | I have a receiver |
| 18:28.30 | TC-work | I just didnt feel like playing mix 'n match |
| 18:28.31 | karl_w_w | so you're half way there! :P |
| 18:29.00 | Semlar | sometimes i see audio equipment like that on craigslist for ridiculously low prices because people are just getting rid of them |
| 18:29.00 | karl_w_w | aren't all the speakers that are not center and the sub all the same speaker? |
| 18:29.07 | Adys | Arrowmaster: so im guessing a plugin |
| 18:29.08 | Adys | urgh |
| 18:29.13 | TC-work | I rather liked http://www.amazon.com/Boston-Acoustics-SoundWareXS5-1B-Speaker-System/dp/B002FS1NYW/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=4C2N6N8IYSQC&coliid=I2XE22HW2ILHF0&tag=613240924-20 |
| 18:29.22 | TC-work | but they ran out of the singles |
| 18:29.26 | Adys | see thats the problem with every DE doing a native plugin... when one doesnt, you dont have anything |
| 18:29.33 | TC-work | see, those are nice and small |
| 18:29.34 | Semlar | why do you want 7.1 over 5.1 |
| 18:29.41 | Humbedooh | because boobs |
| 18:29.44 | TC-work | why not? |
| 18:29.58 | Semlar | because apparently it's pretty hard to find 7.1 sets |
| 18:30.00 | karl_w_w | personally if I had the money and inclination to buy 7.1 speakers I would revel in picking each part seperately |
| 18:30.41 | Semlar | i would get 7 completely different speakers |
| 18:30.50 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 18:30.59 | Arrowmaster | Adys: im guessing its /usr/share/cinnamon/applets/removable-drives@cinnamon.org/ |
| 18:31.00 | TC-work | That's the other thing, a set is usually cheaper |
| 18:32.11 | karl_w_w | mmm nummy cinnamon |
| 18:32.38 | Nimhfree | if cheaper is the desire, then Vandersteen is out of the running |
| 18:32.52 | Semlar | http://imgur.com/a/B98KC these are my speakers |
| 18:33.13 | Semlar | actually just the subwoofer i guess |
| 18:33.18 | mikma | Y U NO GET NEW |
| 18:33.33 | Semlar | they were free |
| 18:33.42 | Semlar | can't argue with free |
| 18:34.23 | TC-work | Yes you can |
| 18:34.27 | karl_w_w | I can argue with free |
| 18:34.27 | Arrowmaster | i got http://amzn.com/B004M18O60 as a replacement for mine last year |
| 18:34.28 | TC-work | Here is a free kick in the ass |
| 18:34.34 | Semlar | the subwoofer has a gigantic crack in the front of it but it doesn't actually go into the housing |
| 18:34.44 | foxlit | I don't et how to mount surround speakers around a computer |
| 18:34.50 | foxlit | don't wires get in the way of everything? |
| 18:34.51 | karl_w_w | ooh bad luck Arrowmaster |
| 18:35.03 | Arrowmaster | why? |
| 18:35.23 | karl_w_w | I was going to get that exact system then noticed yamaha have a real system for $10 more |
| 18:36.24 | Semlar | just get a couple of giant floorstanding polk speakers |
| 18:36.36 | Semlar | actually get 7 |
| 18:36.44 | TC-work | I have 0 floor space |
| 18:36.47 | TC-work | this is in my room |
| 18:36.52 | Semlar | hang them from the ceiling |
| 18:37.15 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: link me the yamaha |
| 18:37.18 | TC-work | I live in earthquake country, fuck that. |
| 18:37.45 | Semlar | mount them like those microphones on springs so they stay level |
| 18:37.50 | Adys | Arrowmaster: hm, pcmanfm has builtin support for mounting/unmounting this stuff but it requires root privileges |
| 18:38.00 | Adys | Arrowmaster: is there a group i can put the user into to skip that? |
| 18:38.08 | Arrowmaster | dafuk |
| 18:38.15 | karl_w_w | trying to find it Arrowmaster, it is a little hard to find |
| 18:38.21 | Arrowmaster | all that shit is handled on debian |
| 18:38.23 | Nimhfree | did you want to wall-mount all the speakers or just the rear speakers? |
| 18:38.28 | TC-work | all |
| 18:38.50 | karl_w_w | they may have discontinued it even |
| 18:38.56 | Arrowmaster | Adys: on debian its probably plugdev group |
| 18:38.56 | Nimhfree | are you planning on putting them into the wall (ie, cutting holes in the wall)? |
| 18:38.57 | Adys | Arrowmaster: arch doesn't do anything magic for you, if you want it you have to set it up |
| 18:39.04 | Adys | Arrowmaster: otoh it has a great wiki |
| 18:39.07 | TC-work | no, mounting on it, not in it |
| 18:39.24 | karl_w_w | http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/hometheater-systems/home-theater-package/yht-196_g/?mode=model |
| 18:39.28 | Adys | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Storage_Devices |
| 18:39.48 | Semlar | unetbootin! |
| 18:40.23 | Arrowmaster | Adys: yeah i think udisks handles everything for me |
| 18:40.34 | Adys | you mean udev? |
| 18:40.46 | Adys | owait |
| 18:41.29 | Nimhfree | bose speakers can be wall-mounted (not the invisible ones that mount inside the wall), but they are going to be more expensive than the Onkyo by a fair amount. their sound can be nice for their size though. |
| 18:41.45 | Semlar | bose are overpriced |
| 18:42.22 | Arrowmaster | Adys: see why i dont use arch, everything just fucking works for me |
| 18:42.42 | Adys | Arrowmaster: well i set it up and everything just works for me |
| 18:42.45 | Arrowmaster | and i like it that way |
| 18:43.19 | karl_w_w | yeah bose are the monster cables of the speaker world |
| 18:43.23 | TC-work | I suspect I'll get 3 pairs of http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Atrium-Speakers-Black/dp/B00378KMF0/ref=sr_1_4?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1357238482&sr=1-4&tag=613240924-20 and find a center and sub somewhere |
| 18:43.55 | Adys | Arrowmaster: when you say debian handles it for you, what do you mean? where does it mount them? |
| 18:44.30 | Arrowmaster | i plug in a usb drive and open the file explorer and click on it, it mounts them in /media |
| 18:44.36 | Fisker | damn Adys |
| 18:45.12 | Arrowmaster | Adys: ive tried nautilus, thunar, and pcmanfm and they all work the exact same way |
| 18:45.13 | Adys | yeah looks like pcmanfm does the same |
| 18:45.20 | Adys | great, so i just need to set up udisks |
| 18:45.53 | Arrowmaster | to get it so it doesnt prompt you for root? |
| 18:46.15 | Arrowmaster | it might be udisks that does it or polkit |
| 18:47.00 | karl_w_w | i find it amazing that this could be an issue :P |
| 18:47.33 | Arrowmaster | its only an issue because adys is using arch so he must setup everything himself |
| 18:47.57 | karl_w_w | linux distros might have their quirks but not being able to plug removable media in and use it without a root prompt is just horrible |
| 18:48.21 | kd3 | works fine here in fedora >.> |
| 18:48.26 | Arrowmaster | linus bitched at suse for needing a root prompt to setup network or printer drivers |
| 18:48.41 | Dagmar | Not all distros have gotten the fucking hint about consoles and PAM |
| 18:49.14 | Arrowmaster | i still need a root prompt to setup printers but i could just add a line to sudoers to remove that if i wanted to |
| 18:49.17 | Adys | karl_w_w: theres a lot wrong with linux but that kind of stuff is completely doable |
| 18:49.23 | Adys | its just about getting it packaged in the same place |
| 18:49.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: That wouldn't remove the need for a root prompt. |
| 18:49.45 | Arrowmaster | no it wouldnt |
| 18:49.55 | Arrowmaster | but i completely understand why printers need root |
| 18:50.06 | Dagmar | You'd want to chgrp the directories and CUPS conf files to some elevated group. |
| 18:50.09 | Arrowmaster | you are installing and running executable code |
| 18:50.20 | Dagmar | No. |
| 18:50.23 | Dagmar | That's not sufficient. |
| 18:50.33 | Dagmar | Any asshole can generally upload executable code and run it as themselves. |
| 18:50.55 | Dagmar | It's that this code will necessarily be executed by the CUPS role id. |
| 18:52.59 | Dagmar | If cups did everything on behalf of the users using their account uid, it wouldn't even be an issue. |
| 18:53.13 | karl_w_w | Adys: yes doable, but you shouldn't have to fix it to work without root it should be like that out of the box |
| 18:53.16 | Dagmar | ...but that would make CUPS a telephone pole to the scrotum for complexity. |
| 18:53.34 | Adys | karl_w_w: there are reasons why it's not |
| 18:53.39 | karl_w_w | the only exception would be a distro made specifically for some kind of super strict corporate invironment |
| 18:53.46 | karl_w_w | env* |
| 18:53.57 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: with apple in control of cups i dont see any major improvements in the immediate future |
| 18:54.04 | Adys | karl_w_w: hardware access is outside userland, period |
| 18:54.10 | Dagmar | CUPS uses it's own role uid, so if it executes code supplied by another user, that brings accountability of action into question, hence root "signoff" is needed. |
| 18:55.16 | Dagmar | ...particularly since this code will be getting access to the hardware layer that the user trying to print wouldn't normally have. |
| 18:57.07 | karl_w_w | Adys if you plug something in it should become accessible, that's the only way to show we still have dominion over computers, linux disagreeing with that is the path to skynet I tell you! :P |
| 18:58.52 | Semlar | i'm afraid i can't let you do that karl |
| 19:03.16 | Dagmar | Sounds like someone complaining that the computer is smarter than they are. |
| 19:05.00 | karl_w_w | my some measures computers are smarter than everyone |
| 19:05.14 | Semlar | yeah well being smart is dumb |
| 19:06.39 | foxlit | heh, no more attunement for algalon? |
| 19:07.44 | pompy | what was the atunement? |
| 19:08.16 | kd3 | there hasn't been one for years |
| 19:08.19 | kd3 | iirc |
| 19:09.32 | karl_w_w | yeah it's been no attunement since the start of cata i think |
| 19:14.44 | smcn | there's still attunement for mc/bwl though, i just had to do it :P |
| 19:14.49 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Algalon#Gaining_entry_to_the_Celestial_Planetarium |
| 19:14.51 | kd3 | pompy ^ |
| 19:17.13 | karl_w_w | im pretty sure there isnt for bwl |
| 19:17.48 | kd3 | there is. you've still gotta get the mark on your hand to use the orb |
| 19:18.01 | karl_w_w | but they aren't really attunement, you could always go in without doing it, it's just to get you there faster :P |
| 19:18.02 | kd3 | had guildies run into that a few weeks back |
| 19:18.12 | kd3 | same for mc |
| 19:18.38 | kd3 | run all the way through brd and you can zone in to mc that way as well without having to do lothos' quest |
| 19:19.31 | karl_w_w | all the way psh |
| 19:19.53 | karl_w_w | grab a mole machine, give the dude some beer, go out the door, jump in the lava :P |
| 19:19.59 | smcn | well in the case of mc you have to get to the entrance to get attuned anyways :p plus, if you do that you have to be in a raid group (if you get attuned you can go in solo) |
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| 19:24.58 | Arrowmaster | why would you run into MC without the attunement quest? |
| 19:25.38 | kd3 | new players after the combat pets who never ran mc originally don't know about the attunement quest generally based on the comments I've seen in /g and /2 |
| 19:26.31 | mikma | rtharper: like math? |
| 19:26.32 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:27.06 | mikma | rtharper: http://imgur.com/gallery/0WQDD |
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| 19:28.59 | foxlit | okay, so you can't solo Lose your Illusion |
| 19:29.23 | foxlit | Thorim gets rather upset at not having anyone in his arena |
| 19:29.50 | kd3 | hah |
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| 19:36.06 | kd3 | so, wait... I know protectors of the endless has an elite mode... is that it in the 5.0 raids? |
| 19:39.49 | nebula169 | is that asking if its the only one? or if its in the game right now? :p answer to both being yes |
| 19:40.07 | Ressy | kd3: Yes. I think its based on kill order. |
| 19:42.09 | foxlit | Hm, killing Mimiron's head seems awkward |
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| 19:47.34 | smcn | how fast do level 85 trinket proc rates diminish from 86-90? |
| 19:48.19 | Maldivia | fast |
| 19:49.49 | Dagmar | I dont' even see that they'd need to |
| 19:50.03 | Dagmar | The procs are pretty paltry and easily replaced above 85 |
| 19:54.00 | Arrowmaster | http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.com/2013/01/enhancing-digital-certificate-security.html |
| 19:54.24 | Arrowmaster | another issue with a bad root CA |
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| 20:15.36 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: what's truly surprising is that people still think the whole CA system is ok |
| 20:16.14 | Arrowmaster | its not, at the very least the root CAs should be restricted to certain gtlds |
| 20:16.39 | bleeter | it's kind of like... how average users have been trained to look for the 'lock' icon to make sure they're logging in to a website securely.... whilst their email checks in the background are all insecure |
| 20:16.42 | durcyn | conflating encryption with authentication is the bigger issue |
| 20:17.14 | bleeter | endless september is the biggest issue |
| 20:17.34 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 20:17.34 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 20:18.54 | Adys | http://www.eso.org/public/archives/images/wallpaper5/eso1301b.jpg |
| 20:18.55 | Adys | GOOGLE |
| 20:19.03 | Adys | What are you doing out there. |
| 20:19.38 | durcyn | that's rather out of focus |
| 20:20.09 | bleeter | it is? i thought I was having flashbacks... |
| 20:21.28 | smcn | also flipped horizontally for a chrome logo, but still neato mosquito |
| 20:23.44 | Lopeppeppy | I swear that I'm going to wrap this ColdFusion monstrosity in duct tape, attach it to a landmine, and sink it in the Marianas Trench to go kill megalodons. Argh to "refactoring" ! |
| 20:27.15 | Neffi | rm ./ |
| 20:27.17 | Neffi | refactored |
| 20:28.40 | alestane | I thought the whole CF thing was supposed to be going away, Peppy? |
| 20:29.53 | Maldivia | Peppy, I think they tried that already... why do you think it's as monstrosious as it is? |
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| 20:30.40 | durcyn | i'm not sure landmines would work very well at that depth/pressure |
| 20:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, whom exactly do you think has to refactor it to MAKE it go away? *sigh* |
| 20:33.05 | Lopeppeppy | durcyn, that's okay. Megalodons don't work well at that depth/pressure either. |
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| 20:50.42 | bleeter | ffs |
| 20:50.58 | bleeter | when the fuck are blizz gunna learn that enGB is a preferred locale for some enUS customers |
| 20:51.46 | bleeter | idly wonders whether the south american clients are using european versions of portuguese and spanish or local ones |
| 20:52.24 | durcyn | no, ptPT, ptBR, esES, and esMX exist. |
| 20:52.34 | bleeter | QED |
| 20:52.56 | Neffi | Well they speak enGB in the Caribbean islands, but then again I don't know how popular WoW is there >_> |
| 20:53.32 | bleeter | it's funny because blizz have that south east asia office in singapore |
| 20:53.45 | Torhal|work | durcyn: ptPT exists, eh? |
| 20:53.51 | bleeter | which very much has an English closer to enGB than enUS |
| 20:54.10 | durcyn | Torhal|work: doesn't it? |
| 20:54.26 | Torhal|work | As far as I'm aware, only ptBR exists for WoW. |
| 20:54.29 | bleeter | i mean, back in the day when the game was shipped on CDs, I could understand. but nowadays... bloody pathetic |
| 20:54.48 | bleeter | it's showing as 'English [US], Espanol [AL], Portugues [BR]' |
| 20:54.59 | Neffi | IMO they should offer every localalization everywhere |
| 20:55.00 | bleeter | (apologies for typos and not using the right characters) |
| 20:55.05 | bleeter | Neffi: totally |
| 20:55.28 | Neffi | For the amount of money people pay for the game, it should be totally reasonable that a native speaker outside their native land play comfortably |
| 20:55.31 | bleeter | even less excuse with the steaming client |
| 20:55.34 | bleeter | sorry |
| 20:55.37 | bleeter | streaming client |
| 20:56.01 | bleeter | (what set me off was I was downloading 'latest' installers) |
| 21:00.13 | bleeter | as I noticed for some reason I have the enGB installers here, not the enUS ones |
| 21:00.33 | bleeter | I suspect it may be some stupid browser locale detect thing that Blizz did there, but I can't be sure |
| 21:00.43 | bleeter | was some time ago... |
| 21:03.13 | bleeter | Neffi: also... I wouldn't mind learning a 'new' language. I know kids who've learned to read (English) by playing WoW... |
| 21:03.46 | bleeter | quite fun to watch, actually... them putting the sentences together and then forming the decisions of what and how to do stuff |
| 21:07.06 | bleeter | oh wait, Blizz don't do enGB anyways |
| 21:07.08 | bleeter | it's enEU |
| 21:07.13 | bleeter | facepalms |
| 21:10.55 | Torhal|work | Huh? |
| 21:10.58 | Torhal|work | It's enGB. |
| 21:12.05 | bleeter | if you go into account management, and go to download the client downloader, it offers you region and language options. Europe->English(EU) to me is enEU |
| 21:13.05 | bleeter | hence my facepalm (blizz are not consistent with themselves ;) |
| 21:13.28 | bleeter | oh, this is on US account management, btw. |
| 21:13.29 | Torhal|work | Weird. |
| 21:13.40 | Semlar | enGB is what they call it in getlocale |
| 21:14.16 | Torhal|work | Only place I've found mention of ptPT is in their API documentation for their web stuff. |
| 21:15.43 | bleeter | course, the funny thing is... that enEU is probably closer to the common en than enUS is |
| 21:16.19 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/01/examining-sonys-internet-free-method-for-blocking-used-game-sales/ |
| 21:17.16 | bleeter | Unkle: are you a james lavelle fan? |
| 21:17.23 | Neffi | I will buy a used game just to justify brining a class-action lawsuit against them |
| 21:17.29 | Dagmar | If no one's talking about how they're trying to gain the benefit of copyright regulations without any of the "liability", they've already won |
| 21:17.47 | Neffi | And then at the hearing I'll suggest whoever pushed for this tech have their balls severed and get publicly stoned to death |
| 21:17.47 | Dagmar | ANY media sold in such a fashion should be pirated far and wide |
| 21:18.38 | bleeter | yeah they may have problem with Aussie laws and regulators |
| 21:18.43 | bleeter | at both state and federal levels |
| 21:18.49 | Dagmar | THey have a problem with US laws already |
| 21:18.55 | Dagmar | they're just trying to ignore them. |
| 21:19.10 | Dagmar | First sale doctrine sez they don't get to block someone selling their whatever to someone else |
| 21:19.11 | Unkle | bleeter: the name doesn't ring any bells. |
| 21:19.26 | bleeter | Unkle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unkle |
| 21:19.35 | Dagmar | After the _first sale_ the content creator/pulbisher no longer has any legal grounds for interest in the media. |
| 21:19.56 | Dagmar | So I look at it like this... |
| 21:20.10 | bleeter | Unkle: this Unkle video is a total killer. one of my favourites of all time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsMGNwYDdg |
| 21:20.15 | Unkle | bleeter: Oddly enough, '94 is about when I started using "Unkle" as a handle. |
| 21:20.22 | tlund | Shadowed: would you consider implementing some kind of "countdown" to paladin holy power to indicate in how long a charge will dissapear? Im thinking slowly shrinking each bar (leaving a similar color as the background) or something like that. |
| 21:20.29 | Shadowed | no |
| 21:20.37 | VIad | hi Semlar, I am back from work now |
| 21:20.44 | Dagmar | If someone "sells" something which is protected by the copyright act, if it _can't pass into the public domain_ when that protection expires, it doesn't deserve the protection of the Copyright Act because the publishers were willfully never in compliance with it in the first place. |
| 21:20.46 | Semlar | sup |
| 21:20.54 | bleeter | Unkle: heh. people still accuse me of stealing my nick from GTA |
| 21:20.58 | Unkle | But I hadn't heard of them until I tried to use it as a nick on something and got shot down as a trademark infringement. |
| 21:21.50 | Semlar | is anyone currently *successfully* patching the mpq files before they extract them |
| 21:22.09 | Semlar | i cannot get stormlib to do it right |
| 21:22.28 | Unkle | also - awesome. http://imgur.com/a/6e0ox |
| 21:22.49 | bleeter | Unkle: you should contact him, just to say hi and mention syncronicity ;) |
| 21:22.55 | VIad | Semlar: what do you think of the tooltip design? |
| 21:23.01 | bleeter | BURN MY SHADOW AWAAAAYYYYY |
| 21:23.22 | Semlar | very tooltip-like |
| 21:23.30 | VIad | you like it? |
| 21:23.52 | Semlar | looks fine to me |
| 21:24.08 | bleeter | Unkle: nice pic |
| 21:24.21 | Unkle | bleeter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMBufJmTTSA |
| 21:24.58 | VIad | :3 |
| 21:29.17 | tlund | Shadowed: while i accept your answer - it would still be interesting to hear why not? |
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| 21:35.45 | pompy | Unkle: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152393044085131&set=a.10150303260090131.563831.353851465130&type=1 ! |
| 21:38.04 | durcyn | Semlar: it's working for me with ladiks editor |
| 21:38.27 | Semlar | are you sure the files are actually any different |
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| 21:38.50 | Unkle | pompy: Can't wait until commercial flight operations are routine and inexpensive. I'd totally use a sub-orbital flight to visit places over a weekend. |
| 21:38.56 | durcyn | the specific one i was using was locale with the patch diffs so i could pull DBCs, so yes, i'm confident |
| 21:39.27 | Semlar | alright, thanks |
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| 21:40.17 | Neffii | fuckin cunt |
| 21:40.24 | Neffii | best time for the net to drop. |
| 21:40.49 | durcyn | first world problems require first world obscenities? |
| 21:40.55 | Neffi | yes |
| 21:41.09 | Neffi | that monk definitely killed me |
| 21:41.47 | Neffi | lol guess my last move crit. i logged in to his body. =) |
| 21:42.02 | Semlar | durcyn do you have to load more than just the handful of files containing dbcs and the patches or is that it |
| 21:42.27 | durcyn | Semlar: you want the base archive that contains the file you care about, and any patch files you care about |
| 21:42.37 | durcyn | in the case of the DB files, that's locale-foo, and wow-update-* |
| 21:43.10 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/VR29pJZj these are the files i'm loading |
| 21:43.34 | Semlar | that should be it |
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| 21:44.00 | Semlar | locale is the one with the dbc file i want |
| 21:44.15 | durcyn | yeah, and that 100% works in the windows gui as of 16 hours ago, i haven't tried it with just stormlib lately |
| 21:44.34 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the mpq editor just uses stormlib so there's no reason it shouldn't work |
| 21:44.44 | durcyn | you sure on the merge syntax? |
| 21:44.52 | Semlar | not really |
| 21:45.05 | Semlar | i've never done this successfully so i'm sure i'm doing it wrong |
| 21:45.29 | Semlar | i'm using a wrapper right now so i'm going to strip it down to exactly what stormlib has |
| 21:46.29 | Semlar | it loads the original file just fine |
| 21:46.37 | Semlar | the patches just don't seem to do anything |
| 21:48.55 | durcyn | hm, your second arg to mpq.patch may be incorrect |
| 21:49.07 | durcyn | per the example at https://github.com/vjeux/pyStormLib |
| 21:49.12 | Semlar | well, i tried base and enUS |
| 21:49.29 | Semlar | base is what they have for every single entry in http://dist.blizzard.com.edgesuite.net/wow-pod/public-test/15890.direct/wowt-16408-41B0F18145FA03F43009CB5A2F89F4A3.mfil |
| 21:50.18 | Semlar | but it behaves the same way with enUS too |
| 21:51.11 | Semlar | unless it's supposed to be the "tag" variable and not the "path" one |
| 21:53.10 | Semlar | let me see if it needs to be read differently |
| 21:54.04 | Mr_Rabies | just a reminder for anyone on the ptr that this exists, sorta: http://www.wowpedia.org/index.php?title=Patch_5.2.0_(undocumented_changes) |
| 21:57.45 | kd3 | (it exists now) |
| 21:59.55 | g0urra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_srmu8Jshc |
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| 22:26.34 | TC-work | after reading some of the 0.6 beta patch notes, I think it would be an amazing April fools joke if they temporarily reverted wow back to that for one day. |
| 22:27.00 | TC-work | and called it a feature enhancement |
| 22:27.06 | stuf | haha |
| 22:27.22 | nevcairiel | i dont remember all the beta versions, but i assume its still vastly different to release? |
| 22:27.36 | TC-work | they have 5 levels of 'tiredness' |
| 22:27.39 | TC-work | so yea |
| 22:28.09 | TC-work | the first part also starts out with "Windows 98/ME Loading Bug" which is also amusing. |
| 22:28.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:30.02 | stuf | reminds me when you had to use detect magic as a mage back in vanilla |
| 22:30.23 | stuf | vanilla/tbc, actually |
| 22:30.27 | Mr_Rabies | urgh |
| 22:30.29 | Mr_Rabies | detect magic |
| 22:30.52 | stuf | yeah |
| 22:31.05 | nevcairiel | it kinda makes sense, how the hell do you know what buffs someone else has unless you use your own magic to peek? :) |
| 22:31.25 | nevcairiel | back then it was alot more about logic then easy playing .p |
| 22:31.32 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:31.43 | Mr_Rabies | did a SM run just now, healer decides to pull instead of me |
| 22:31.56 | nevcairiel | that usually means you're too slow |
| 22:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | i wasn't in tank spec so i just went cat form until we got out of combat |
| 22:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | then i start pulling at my normal pace and he's falling behind |
| 22:32.47 | nevcairiel | i usually use the dungeon queue timer to respec before accepting, otherwise weird stuff like that happens |
| 22:32.53 | durcyn | you always have the worst stories, Mr_Rabies |
| 22:33.21 | Mr_Rabies | he pulled before i was even done loading |
| 22:33.46 | Mr_Rabies | he got down to about 10% hp |
| 22:38.26 | Mr_Rabies | then i realize they're all queued together |
| 22:38.49 | Mr_Rabies | pulling at my normal pace and even waiting a couple seconds before harlan, somehow i manage to pull with the warrior outside |
| 22:39.13 | Mr_Rabies | that's okay because the warrior constantly spams some kind of knockback and does about 20k dps |
| 22:39.30 | VIad | it's a shout |
| 22:39.44 | VIad | dragon roar, deals pure damage that always crits and ignores armor |
| 22:40.07 | Mr_Rabies | can you glyph that not to to do a knockback? |
| 22:40.16 | VIad | hmm |
| 22:40.24 | Mr_Rabies | because if not, it doesn't need to do the knockback |
| 22:40.26 | VIad | don't think so |
| 22:40.41 | Mr_Rabies | knockbacks should never be part of your normal pve rotation |
| 22:40.57 | Mr_Rabies | they're really, really annoying, and cause less group dps and more tank damage taken |
| 22:41.46 | VIad | sadly it can't be glyphed |
| 22:41.55 | Mr_Rabies | that's a design mistake then |
| 22:42.14 | Mr_Rabies | i usually boot people that overuse knockbacks |
| 22:42.17 | Mr_Rabies | but i knew i couldn't |
| 22:42.35 | VIad | it's good dmg ability |
| 22:42.37 | VIad | :3 |
| 22:42.42 | VIad | 100% crit ignores armor |
| 22:43.03 | Mr_Rabies | still |
| 22:43.19 | Mr_Rabies | it basically means feral druids/backstabby rogues lose dps |
| 22:43.24 | Gnarfoz | beta... when warlocks could still wear leather and bucklers |
| 22:43.27 | Mr_Rabies | and the tank will take more damage if mobs get behind them |
| 22:43.39 | Mr_Rabies | knockbacks are awful |
| 22:43.46 | Mr_Rabies | they should either cut the damage way down or remove the knockback |
| 22:43.59 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: you're advocating boring design. |
| 22:44.23 | foxlit | Pretty much everything where every last bit of damage matters can't be knocked back anyway. |
| 22:44.28 | Mr_Rabies | knockbacks are terrible |
| 22:44.39 | smcn | boring but pratical is preferable to annoying |
| 22:44.44 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 22:45.03 | Mr_Rabies | they're really frustrating |
| 22:45.13 | foxlit | Hah. Just be less annoyed by it, problem solved. |
| 22:45.22 | Mr_Rabies | i just autoattack if i'm a cat and someone's spamming autoattacks |
| 22:45.40 | Mr_Rabies | constantly having to realign because some idiot can't stop hitting the explosion button isn't my idea of fun |
| 22:45.47 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 22:45.53 | Mr_Rabies | i just autoattack if i'm a cat and someone's spamming knockbacks* |
| 22:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:45.57 | foxlit | so you're a jerk if things don't go the way you like. |
| 22:46.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 22:46.04 | foxlit | Understandable, but not a good personality trait. |
| 22:46.14 | Mr_Rabies | i am a jerk to people that refuse to think of others |
| 22:46.53 | foxlit | Heaven forbid you might have to push some more buttons in combat :) |
| 22:47.04 | Mr_Rabies | realigning for backstabs is awful enough as is |
| 22:47.22 | Mr_Rabies | even without some idiot throwing mobs around willynilly |
| 22:47.50 | VIad | Mr_Rabies dilemma |
| 22:48.06 | Mr_Rabies | this also applies to tanks that feel they have to move every two seconds, regardless of elemental damage on the floor or anything |
| 22:48.07 | VIad | you get kicked for low aoe dps, or you use aoe shout for huge dps but knockback and get kicked for that :P |
| 22:48.22 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like the spell's misdesigned then :p |
| 22:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | hence, they should cut the dps on it, or cut the knockback |
| 22:49.12 | VIad | whirlwind sucks (rage cost vs dps :P) |
| 22:49.19 | VIad | cleave sucks too, dragon roar is AWESOME |
| 22:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like dragon roar's too powerful then |
| 22:49.34 | VIad | 1 min CD |
| 22:49.38 | foxlit | The design objectives are not for you to sit idly by and collect epics. |
| 22:49.40 | Mr_Rabies | cutting either its dps or its knockback would work |
| 22:50.13 | Mr_Rabies | well then they might want to redesign like....all their dungeons since dragon soul |
| 22:50.16 | foxlit | Move. Adapt. Play a game. Do something other than declare "idiot!" "bad design!" "i'll just autoattack!" |
| 22:50.43 | Mr_Rabies | i've got no reason to be nice to people who refuse to do the same |
| 22:50.56 | foxlit | They've evidently got no reason to be nice to you. |
| 22:51.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a nice person to nice people |
| 22:51.09 | VIad | the knockback isn't that bad though |
| 22:51.11 | Mr_Rabies | my default state is nice |
| 22:51.12 | VIad | just used it :P |
| 22:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | any knockback is bad |
| 22:51.17 | VIad | like 2 yards lol |
| 22:51.24 | VIad | didn't even move to keep attacking :P |
| 22:51.26 | foxlit | Your default stance is "nice as long as everything goes like I think it should" |
| 22:51.32 | foxlit | That's not "nice", that's "tyran" |
| 22:51.39 | durcyn | this government customer just asked me for a "mouse pointer enabled hover box" |
| 22:51.51 | foxlit | ^t |
| 22:51.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a tyrant in group content for sure |
| 22:51.55 | Mr_Rabies | i don't deny that |
| 22:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | i don't boot people for having crappy dps due to their gear |
| 22:52.31 | Mr_Rabies | but if they're in 480 gear and doing a consistent 20k dps, i'll definitely mention it |
| 22:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | crappy dps due to gear is just how it goes, that's how items work |
| 22:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | if you're not doing at least 90% of your maximum output at all times, you're wasting everyone else's time |
| 22:54.24 | Mr_Rabies | about 10% of damage can be chalked up to things like latency, lack of skill, distractions, etc |
| 22:54.30 | VIad | what if I knockback mobs that cast spells? |
| 22:54.40 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather the spells hit the tank |
| 22:54.41 | foxlit | I don't much care how you justify it in your mind, Mr_Rabies. |
| 22:54.51 | Mr_Rabies | that's what interrupts are for, if they really hit hard |
| 22:54.57 | foxlit | Everyone thinks "well, it's okay that I'm being a jerk now, I'm also nice on occasions!" |
| 22:55.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'm only a jerk to people who give me a reason to be one |
| 22:55.34 | foxlit | ^ justifications. |
| 22:55.58 | Mr_Rabies | i feel that's justified, yeah |
| 22:56.32 | foxlit | We disagree there. Being a jerk is never justified. |
| 22:56.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's often justified |
| 22:56.47 | Unkle | I'm only a jerk because I'm a jerky mcjerkface. |
| 22:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably spit in kim jong-un's face |
| 22:57.02 | foxlit | and what would that accomplish? |
| 22:57.23 | Mr_Rabies | me degrading a colossal jerk |
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| 22:57.45 | durcyn | degrading, being, take your pick. |
| 22:58.09 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think anyone would call anyone a jerk for doing that |
| 22:58.25 | durcyn | artful segue from your irrational pride at being a tosspot into international politics though |
| 22:58.31 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:59.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'm only a jerk to people who deserve it |
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| 22:59.47 | durcyn | i'm having 37 mirrors shipped to your house |
| 23:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably give a stern yelling to ted nugent if i wasn't afraid he'd snap and kill me for it |
| 23:00.24 | bleeter | is it worth taking bets on whether this will be xbox 720 or not? http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/01/03/microsoft-sets-up-mysterious-countdown-clock.aspx |
| 23:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | durcyn: what would you propose i do to people who actively grief and commit other acts of jerkitude in dungeons? |
| 23:01.26 | Mr_Rabies | just ignore them and let them win by wasting my time? |
| 23:02.09 | durcyn | stop being one of them |
| 23:02.15 | Mr_Rabies | i'd leave the dungeon, but deserter debuff |
| 23:02.22 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not a jerk to people who aren't jerks |
| 23:03.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's just really rare to not have someone who griefs or screws around trying to be cool or something nowadays |
| 23:04.10 | Mr_Rabies | anonymity has made LFD a hostile environment most of the time, and the only response is to be on the defensive |
| 23:04.12 | VIad | sounds like if I knockback you think I am a jerk :P |
| 23:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | i'd ask you to stop doing the knockback |
| 23:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | you'd say it's good dps, then i'd say "welp, blizzard should fix that then" |
| 23:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | and then grin and bear the knockback |
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| 23:06.03 | Mr_Rabies | they should probably buff bladestorm then and cut the damage on dragon roar |
| 23:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | that'd most likely fix it |
| 23:06.19 | Mr_Rabies | bladestorm would be the dps option, and dragon roar would be the control/pvp option |
| 23:06.21 | VIad | don't know, for leveling I do more dmg with roar maybe |
| 23:06.45 | VIad | bladestorm probably better with gear (crit :P) |
| 23:06.51 | VIad | and hit ofc |
| 23:06.52 | Mr_Rabies | i can't blame the guy for using the knockback if it's good dps |
| 23:06.54 | Mr_Rabies | it's really annoying |
| 23:07.04 | Mr_Rabies | and hurts the rest of the group to an extent |
| 23:07.33 | Mr_Rabies | but his role's dps and his dps sucks even when he's USING the knockback, so he needs all the dps he can manage |
| 23:08.03 | Mr_Rabies | i've just never seen another warrior use it, personally |
| 23:08.58 | bleeter | kd3|hate`net: (also other WoW Winers) -> What's the current minimum Wine version for WoW? Trying PTR on an boxen with 1.4 and things seem... non-functional ;) |
| 23:10.40 | zenzelezz | what is the current Wine version? |
| 23:11.27 | VIad | red whine has more taste than white, tried that bleeter? |
| 23:11.57 | bleeter | zenzelezz: which one? |
| 23:12.23 | bleeter | no, not red or white. stable or development? stable is 1.4.1, development 1.5.20 |
| 23:12.29 | zenzelezz | nevermind, I'm clearly out of touch =) |
| 23:12.32 | VIad | :P |
| 23:12.44 | VIad | I was joking, talking about real wine :( |
| 23:12.53 | zenzelezz | no wai |
| 23:12.55 | bleeter | prefers red |
| 23:13.10 | VIad | they should make a red and white edition just for the lols of it tough |
| 23:13.19 | VIad | stable should be red, beta should be white :P |
| 23:13.26 | bleeter | elderberry edition |
| 23:13.31 | TC-work | Shiraz bleeter? |
| 23:13.42 | zenzelezz | wine just doesn't taste right for me |
| 23:13.46 | bleeter | surely beta should be red.... flashing red lights |
| 23:13.53 | TC-work | oh you ausies and your different sirrah's |
| 23:14.01 | VIad | the original uses red so, figured it should be the regular version |
| 23:14.11 | bleeter | fair call |
| 23:15.26 | VIad | I didn't notice any difference on screen when watching the hobbit in 3D with my friends |
| 23:15.33 | VIad | they told me that it uses more FPS but tbh, didn't notice lol |
| 23:15.41 | Mr_Rabies | anyway guys i know i complain a lot in here, but it's only because just about every group i join has some kind of griefer or jerk in it :( |
| 23:15.49 | VIad | placebo? |
| 23:16.22 | bleeter | VIad: are you sure it was viewed on a projector that does the higher FPS? |
| 23:16.28 | bleeter | vast majority of cinemas can't. |
| 23:16.57 | bleeter | also, it's hard to tell the difference, unless side by side. but once you notice... it's kinda like going from digital projection back to film, or CD back to cassette/LP |
| 23:18.20 | VIad | we saw it in colosseum - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colosseum_Kino |
| 23:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | looks like the colosseum supports HFP, as long as you saw it in one of the theaters with an HFP projector |
| 23:20.08 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 23:20.10 | Mr_Rabies | HFR |
| 23:20.16 | Mr_Rabies | where did p come from D: |
| 23:20.50 | bleeter | this list indicates it does http://www.48fpsmovies.com/48-fps-theater-list/ |
| 23:21.13 | VIad | says it does ye |
| 23:21.26 | bleeter | personally, I hate anything less than 30fps. always have, always will |
| 23:21.26 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but they likely have 2d and 3dhfr showings |
| 23:21.27 | VIad | one of my friends is a real number geek :P |
| 23:21.43 | Mr_Rabies | since 3d hfr is so expensive |
| 23:21.45 | bleeter | kinda like doing audio with only a 20khz range... |
| 23:21.45 | Mr_Rabies | then again |
| 23:21.51 | Mr_Rabies | EVERYTHING in norway is so expensive |
| 23:21.51 | VIad | he said "it's 48 fps it's gonna be much better" but personally I don't care and didn't notice it either :P btw the fps thing I started to think about after I saw it :P |
| 23:21.52 | Mr_Rabies | so who knows |
| 23:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | i should move to norway and become a butter bootlegger |
| 23:22.24 | VIad | I've seen TVs that run at 100Hz produce more FPS than I remember in the cinema |
| 23:23.00 | Mr_Rabies | well, i think there's a place for standard cinematic framerates |
| 23:23.00 | VIad | don't know |
| 23:23.18 | bleeter | probably more likely to notice differences during high motion shots, where 25fps might introduce more codec artifact type crud |
| 23:23.23 | Mr_Rabies | they have a specific look that is established |
| 23:23.24 | VIad | don't think the 3D or fps is a factor that makes the movie better or worse, tbh |
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| 23:23.37 | VIad | I'm more a story guy :P |
| 23:23.54 | Mr_Rabies | the technical aspects of a film will greatly help support the story though |
| 23:23.58 | bleeter | me too, but then there's stuff like 2001 where the story and tech come together... |
| 23:24.07 | VIad | yeah, but 48 fps does it mater that much? :3 |
| 23:24.13 | Mr_Rabies | it definitely can |
| 23:24.20 | VIad | can doesn't mean it does |
| 23:24.34 | VIad | first world problems |
| 23:24.35 | Arrowmaster | its probably less about the fps and more about the post processing done to it |
| 23:24.48 | Arrowmaster | 24fps film has a shit ton of motion blur added to it |
| 23:24.50 | Mr_Rabies | if you're trying to portray an otherworldly universe where magical beings are everywhere, breaking standard film look is a good way to do that |
| 23:25.11 | VIad | reminds me of the bit-wars :P |
| 23:25.22 | bleeter | 24fps motion blur on CGI fire and water and stuff usually looks complete shit anyways |
| 23:25.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, 24 fps without motion blur is really, really clunky during pans, etc |
| 23:26.04 | VIad | btw if going up from 24 fps why not go to 60? |
| 23:26.05 | Mr_Rabies | the motion blur's necessary for it to look smooth |
| 23:26.08 | bleeter | VIad: Unix wars! http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/dilbert_nickle.png |
| 23:26.13 | Mr_Rabies | probably too big of a jump for now |
| 23:26.21 | VIad | :D |
| 23:26.33 | Mr_Rabies | simply multiplying by about 2 is less of a jump |
| 23:26.34 | TC-work | because TV format != Computer format |
| 23:26.35 | VIad | don't know, many own TVs producing more than 100fps now |
| 23:26.42 | Arrowmaster | the 'film look' is all about motion blur, color correction, and other post processing things |
| 23:26.42 | bleeter | like screen refresh rates, you don't want it to be the same as the hz coming out of the wall |
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| 23:27.06 | VIad | don't TVs got like 200Hz now? :P |
| 23:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder what framerates my projector can achieve |
| 23:27.18 | Arrowmaster | no they are all 60hz unless otherwise advertised |
| 23:27.34 | pompy | 240Hz are the 3d tvs |
| 23:27.37 | Arrowmaster | which is fucking terrible, they should have been 72hz |
| 23:27.56 | Mr_Rabies | and 120hz testing so far seems to be pretty bad, but i think most of this happens via frame duplicating, etc |
| 23:27.59 | pompy | 60 or 120 |
| 23:28.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah all of them that make 120hz tvs want to add all kinds of shit to them that makes it terrible |
| 23:28.46 | Arrowmaster | which is why 3d tvs are still the best for non 3d |
| 23:28.50 | bleeter | also, there's the move to 8k UHDTV going on too |
| 23:29.10 | Arrowmaster | are they filming in 8k yet? |
| 23:29.15 | bleeter | 4320p is nutzo |
| 23:29.21 | VIad | isn't that overkill? |
| 23:29.27 | VIad | glhf with makeup |
| 23:29.32 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: yes, it's called IMAX :P |
| 23:29.36 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:29.46 | TC-work | I hope they bypass 4K |
| 23:29.57 | TC-work | but I don't think they will |
| 23:29.57 | Mr_Rabies | ah, my projector supports 50 and 60 hz at 1080p |
| 23:29.58 | Arrowmaster | imax is analog, imax 3d is two 2k projectors |
| 23:30.03 | bleeter | i was joking... the detail's roughtly the same as imax |
| 23:30.14 | Arrowmaster | imax 3d is terrible |
| 23:30.33 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if there's a way to do 48 -> 50 hz without making things horribly shaky |
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| 23:30.49 | TC-work | fps != hz? |
| 23:30.56 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: the same way to do 24 to 25 |
| 23:30.57 | VIad | fps and hz same thing |
| 23:31.01 | Arrowmaster | speed it up a little bit |
| 23:31.06 | VIad | when talking about frames on tvs :p |
| 23:31.07 | bleeter | bloody hell the UHDTV wp page is full of stuffs lol |
| 23:31.26 | Mr_Rabies | when you're talking about frames on a screen, hertz and frames per second are the same |
| 23:31.34 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: there are, the same way NTSC and PAL get converted. |
| 23:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | what's PAL's standard framerate? |
| 23:31.58 | Arrowmaster | 25 |
| 23:32.03 | VIad | pal is lower than ntsc? |
| 23:32.20 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: is your projector for computers or video playback? |
| 23:32.32 | Mr_Rabies | i know i can see serious problems with some kind of telescening |
| 23:32.36 | bleeter | VIad: yes, but it does the line averaging thing which NTSC doesn't so it starts to become very subjective |
| 23:32.59 | Mr_Rabies | it's a home theater projector Arrowmaster |
| 23:33.12 | Mr_Rabies | i think it does some stuff to handle theater framerates elegantly or something |
| 23:33.25 | bleeter | VIad: technically, there's 50 fields per second, two fields per frame. |
| 23:33.27 | Mr_Rabies | because i never see any kind of terrible telecine issues |
| 23:33.27 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: its 50hz is probably ment for 25fps playback |
| 23:34.20 | bleeter | PAL M uses 60 fields |
| 23:34.22 | Mr_Rabies | wait hrm...this is the austalian manual |
| 23:34.31 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder if the US version supports different framerates |
| 23:34.37 | Arrowmaster | doubt it |
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| 23:35.36 | bleeter | whishes he could recall what SECAM stands for. |
| 23:35.57 | bleeter | NTSC -> Never The Same Colour. PAL -> Perfect ALways... SECAM -> (AARGH!) |
| 23:35.59 | TC-work | ~wiki secam |
| 23:36.06 | TC-work | or not |
| 23:36.33 | bleeter | TC-work: too serious! :P |
| 23:36.57 | Arrowmaster | 48fps seems like its not going to be able to take off for home theater, you can only get proper playback on 240hz screens |
| 23:37.09 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:37.13 | TC-work | they will come |
| 23:37.19 | Mr_Rabies | i really want to catch the hobbit in theaters so i can see it as intended |
| 23:37.20 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.20 | VIad | I like the 24 fps like choppy framerate |
| 23:37.22 | bleeter | lol |
| 23:37.23 | TC-work | if there is something to drive it |
| 23:37.26 | Neffi | that shit cray |
| 23:37.28 | VIad | the higher once looks too smooth :( |
| 23:37.29 | Mr_Rabies | but the closest theater's like 2 hours away |
| 23:37.32 | Neffi | <(( CRAYOLO (() |
| 23:37.37 | VIad | to smooth feels weird :P |
| 23:37.41 | Mr_Rabies | with HFR |
| 23:37.51 | Arrowmaster | i saw the hobbit on opening night at midnight but the theater wasnt 48fps |
| 23:38.08 | Mr_Rabies | i'll just watch it at home if i can't see it in 48 fps |
| 23:38.19 | Arrowmaster | i watched it last night |
| 23:38.22 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: shouldn't that be 96hz since it's 2:1? non-3d |
| 23:38.39 | VIad | Mr_Rabies: there you go again, you think the 24 extra fps will make the movie so much more enjoyable? :P |
| 23:38.54 | Mr_Rabies | it might make the movie more immersive |
| 23:38.56 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: when have you seen a 96hz panel? |
| 23:39.08 | VIad | so did my friend say, but I didn't notice anything so think about that :P |
| 23:39.16 | Neffi | No digital film should be shot in 24 Hz |
| 23:39.18 | VIad | didn't have a "ah this is much better" feeling |
| 23:39.22 | Neffi | and anyone who does should be shot |
| 23:39.27 | bleeter | Neffi: d/digital/ |
| 23:39.38 | Mr_Rabies | that's the subjective opinion of one person, though, vlad |
| 23:39.43 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: native? nowhere. But if you have a 120hz monitor you can make one using windows custom formats |
| 23:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | if i were to rely on that as gospel i'd probably be dead by now :p |
| 23:39.52 | TC-work | I know, I had to do that here for a capture machine |
| 23:39.55 | VIad | yes, just saying, same applies to those that say it is better :P |
| 23:39.59 | Mr_Rabies | no offense, i take it into consideration |
| 23:40.06 | VIad | hence deciding on this factor alone is silly |
| 23:40.12 | Mr_Rabies | i notice framerate differences in games pretty reliably |
| 23:40.17 | VIad | I do too |
| 23:40.22 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: im talking about for TVs, the problem has been that unlike lcd monitors, TVs are stuck at a single refresh rate |
| 23:40.29 | Mr_Rabies | well, i can watch it at home for much cheaper |
| 23:40.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'll unlikely ever be able to see it at 48 fps |
| 23:40.47 | VIad | cinema in US is probably cheap no? |
| 23:40.48 | Mr_Rabies | if i miss it in theaters |
| 23:40.56 | TC-work | VIad: No. |
| 23:40.58 | Mr_Rabies | it's cheaper than norway, probably |
| 23:41.13 | Mr_Rabies | but wages are lower |
| 23:41.25 | VIad | how much does a ticket cost and how much does your coca cola cost? |
| 23:41.28 | VIad | the 1.5L |
| 23:41.44 | Mr_Rabies | it's about $10 USD on average for a ticket for a regular movie during normal times on a regular projector |
| 23:41.46 | TC-work | You really only get drinks in cups not bottles |
| 23:42.05 | bleeter | $10? that's cheap |
| 23:42.07 | TC-work | speak for yourself Mr_Rabies, because that is not around here |
| 23:42.09 | VIad | talking about the 1.5l bottles just to compare :P |
| 23:42.16 | Mr_Rabies | and it's about $4-5 for a medium drink at a theater |
| 23:42.24 | Mr_Rabies | we don't have 1.5l bottles |
| 23:42.25 | bleeter | it's like (does calcs in head) ~USD$17-20 here |
| 23:42.40 | TC-work | tickets are $15-17 where i am |
| 23:42.40 | VIad | aha, ok |
| 23:42.43 | Mr_Rabies | we have 2 liter bottles, generally |
| 23:42.55 | Mr_Rabies | for a regular 2D film, TC-work? |
| 23:43.00 | TC-work | yes |
| 23:43.04 | bleeter | kinda like when merkins start complaining about the price of petrol and the rest of the world is 'what it's been a decade since it was that low in price stfu already!' :P |
| 23:43.12 | Mr_Rabies | ah okay that's nuts, i guess your wages are probably higher too, though |
| 23:43.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's like $25 or so for a 3d ticket normally |
| 23:43.28 | Arrowmaster | TC is in cali |
| 23:43.34 | TC-work | no idea, i think minimum is at $9.xx or something |
| 23:43.35 | Arrowmaster | everything is expensive in cali |
| 23:43.38 | TC-work | ^ |
| 23:43.46 | Mr_Rabies | minimum's whatever the federal one is here |
| 23:43.47 | bleeter | that's not true |
| 23:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | 7 something i think |
| 23:43.52 | bleeter | I heard TC is very cheap! |
| 23:43.53 | bleeter | ;) |
| 23:43.55 | Mr_Rabies | 2.70 or something for waitstaff |
| 23:44.14 | TC-work | I only gave a discount to you bleeter |
| 23:44.35 | VIad | you got the tiny can coca colas? :P |
| 23:44.45 | pompy | VIad: http://www.facebook.com/pompy/posts/669832165809 |
| 23:44.50 | pompy | woops |
| 23:44.57 | pompy | http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_regal_movie_ticket_cost |
| 23:45.17 | VIad | trying to get a feel of the price |
| 23:45.27 | VIad | need to compare it to something we got too, like coca cola is pretty "standard" |
| 23:45.30 | VIad | easier to compare to :P |
| 23:45.39 | VIad | sadly we only got the cans, small bottles and 1.5L bottles |
| 23:45.54 | Mr_Rabies | coca cola's not really standard at all |
| 23:46.02 | Mr_Rabies | bread's probably a better standard |
| 23:46.08 | VIad | it exists in all US and Europe, probably world |
| 23:46.10 | VIad | i.e. standard :P |
| 23:46.33 | Mr_Rabies | but it's licensed/controlled by a company in the US |
| 23:46.39 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: bread's not a good standard. different cultures have different breads |
| 23:46.43 | bleeter | coke is coke is coke |
| 23:46.49 | Mr_Rabies | not at all |
| 23:46.52 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 23:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | the formulation is massively different |
| 23:46.55 | VIad | coke is coke |
| 23:46.55 | VIad | :P |
| 23:47.03 | Arrowmaster | different countries have very different cokes |
| 23:47.06 | Mr_Rabies | how much high fructose corn syrup's in your coke |
| 23:47.19 | VIad | the only difference is the sugar/syrup and water |
| 23:47.19 | bleeter | it is a singularly licensed product in each region |
| 23:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | (none) :p |
| 23:47.38 | Mr_Rabies | that's what coke is though |
| 23:47.42 | Mr_Rabies | sugar/syrup, and water |
| 23:47.50 | Mr_Rabies | and CO2 |
| 23:48.16 | pompy | a large popcorn is $8+tax |
| 23:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | a 12 pack of 12 oz cans of coca cola's about $5 here, in atlanta |
| 23:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | where coca cola's headquartered |
| 23:48.50 | VIad | that's cheap lol |
| 23:49.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, because we have corn subsidies |
| 23:49.03 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking that was a tad high |
| 23:49.11 | VIad | ah I got it |
| 23:49.20 | Mr_Rabies | corn's really, really cheap here |
| 23:49.20 | VIad | norway produces rich man water |
| 23:49.21 | pompy | Mr_Rabies: atlanta, georgia |
| 23:49.21 | Arrowmaster | corn subsidies are terrible |
| 23:49.22 | bleeter | yeah the US protection racket \o/ |
| 23:49.24 | VIad | Voss? |
| 23:49.31 | VIad | how much does that cost for you? :P |
| 23:49.33 | pompy | oh |
| 23:49.34 | pompy | haha |
| 23:49.36 | pompy | my bad. |
| 23:49.36 | Mr_Rabies | Voss? |
| 23:49.44 | Arrowmaster | corn subsidies are killing tequila |
| 23:49.54 | Mr_Rabies | i don't even know what Voss is other than a WoW character :p |
| 23:50.14 | VIad | https://www.google.com/search?rlz=&q=voss+water&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=LxnmUM2pDoXj4QTNwoGIDw&biw=1262&bih=881&sei=MRnmUM2ON-KK4ASC5IDoBw |
| 23:50.28 | Mr_Rabies | i've never bought or even looked at the pricing of fancy water |
| 23:50.29 | TC-work | not a US brand as far as i know |
| 23:50.36 | TC-work | or if it is, not major |
| 23:50.42 | Mr_Rabies | i drink water from the tap, if even |
| 23:50.49 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 23:50.51 | TC-work | I use a filtration system |
| 23:50.58 | TC-work | LA water is no bueno |
| 23:51.00 | Mr_Rabies | our tap water's pretty tasty |
| 23:51.14 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably all the lead |
| 23:51.18 | Mr_Rabies | giving it some sweetness |
| 23:51.20 | VIad | wonder how much voss costs for US :P |
| 23:51.25 | VIad | I know it's sold in the US |
| 23:51.26 | TC-work | http://www.amazon.com/VOSS-Artesian-Water-11-2-Ounce-Bottles/dp/B002EM2JWE?tag=613240924-20 |
| 23:51.29 | TC-work | there you fo |
| 23:51.31 | TC-work | go* |
| 23:51.44 | Mr_Rabies | lol, amazon's awful for that kind of stuff |
| 23:51.48 | TC-work | it can be |
| 23:51.53 | TC-work | not always though |
| 23:51.59 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.amazon.com/COKE-The-Neighborhood-Corner-Store/dp/B00032EGE6 |
| 23:52.05 | Neffi | i gotta say though |
| 23:52.06 | Neffi | http://behance.vo.llnwd.net/profiles/51468/projects/98512/514681213044497.jpg |
| 23:52.07 | VIad | lol, a bottle costs a movie ticket? :P |
| 23:52.10 | Neffi | i want some fuking Voss now |
| 23:52.27 | pompy | "In October 2010, Norway's TV 2 reported that Voss is tap water from the municipal water supply in Iveland and, contrary to Voss marketing, is not artesian" |
| 23:52.36 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 23:52.53 | Mr_Rabies | gotta pay for the marketing campaign somehow |
| 23:53.16 | TC-work | I remember a blind taste test they did in new york city and most people thought the tap was better than bottled. |
| 23:53.25 | TC-work | I was amused |
| 23:53.35 | Arrowmaster | all bottled water is tap water from somewhere |
| 23:53.35 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, new york's supposed to have really good tap water for the most part |
| 23:53.42 | Mr_Rabies | not true |
| 23:53.56 | Mr_Rabies | there's artesinal wells, springs, etc |
| 23:54.10 | TC-work | well it is, because whatever is used to put the water in the bottle is a 'tap' |
| 23:54.23 | VIad | :P |
| 23:54.30 | Mr_Rabies | i bottled water from a spring by putting the bottle in the water and filling it :p |
| 23:54.39 | TC-work | unless the bottles are conveyored through a stream. |
| 23:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | and in a well by letting the part that was spraying up fall back down into the bottle |
| 23:54.52 | VIad | tap "A device used to dispense liquids." |
| 23:54.53 | Neffi | NYC does have very good tap water |
| 23:55.04 | Neffi | When I go elsewhere, the water tastes a lot less clean |
| 23:55.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's most likely the trick to new york's pizza dough |
| 23:55.53 | Neffi | yeah, a lot of old Italians will tell you it's all in the water |
| 23:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure the water's awful in the ghetto, as is everything else |
| 23:56.15 | Mr_Rabies | those municipal pipes probably don't get replaced too often out there |
| 23:56.25 | Neffi | There's a few pizzerias in Michigan where I lived for a little bit, where the owner had come from NYC. The pizza sucked. They told me, you just can't make good pizza without good water and cheese. |
| 23:56.37 | Neffi | Actually it's quite good everywhere |
| 23:56.50 | Mr_Rabies | if he's in michigan and can't get good cheese, he's doing something wrong :p |
| 23:57.10 | Neffi | It's one of the few things that's pretty constant between the classiest parts of Manhattan, and places like Park Hill (very, very bad area) |
| 23:57.13 | VIad | for comparison the 3D ticket costs 23.5$ here |
| 23:57.25 | Mr_Rabies | that's about what ours cost, generally |
| 23:57.27 | Neffi | Can't get good Italian cheeses in Michigan, no. Just great cheddar. |
| 23:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | they're right next to both illinois and wisconsin |
| 23:57.57 | VIad | kind of weird tbh |
| 23:58.01 | Mr_Rabies | no way that they can't get something good from either of those |
| 23:58.07 | VIad | I'd imagine the price goes down when the quantities go up |
| 23:58.14 | VIad | considering norway doesn't have that many viewers as in the US too |
| 23:58.24 | Neffi | All the good pizzerias in NYC import their cheeses from Italy |
| 23:58.30 | Mr_Rabies | well, and the industry's mostly focused here too |
| 23:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | ehh, that's gotta just be marketing |
| 23:58.45 | Neffi | you can find imported cheese pretty much anywhere in the city. can't get ahold of anything close to it in Michigan. |
| 23:58.47 | Mr_Rabies | also, if it's going that far, it's gonna be the same in michigan as NYC |
| 23:58.49 | pompy | http://youtu.be/IBTx87xiscs |
| 23:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | and it's not like mozzarella's really all that complicated |
| 23:59.06 | Neffi | Nah, imported Italian foods are very common here in the city |
| 23:59.09 | Neffi | very easy to come by |
| 23:59.34 | Neffi | It doesn't seem like pizza is all that complicated either, but nobody quite has NY pizza |
| 23:59.51 | Mr_Rabies | ah, apparently italian mozzarella milk is from water buffalo or something |
