| 00:19.06 | Primer | Anyone use weakauras to track swiftmend? Seems "action usable" has the prerequisite of the hots rolling on the target |
| 00:19.21 | Primer | I just want it to show me it's not on CD |
| 00:19.35 | Primer | and stay up in my face regardless of hots on a target |
| 00:21.17 | kd3 | oh wow. efnet got taken down |
| 00:21.27 | Primer | Because no one uses it any more? |
| 00:21.44 | kd3 | https://twitter.com/nixhead/status/285856011372347392 |
| 00:34.12 | pompy | what did teh launcher do? |
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| 01:34.59 | Fisker | who would give a fuck about efnet kd3 ? |
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| 03:18.00 | kd3 | and this is the headline that went green? sigh. "Deal in Senate reached. Like the cartoon characters they are, wily Senators run off cliff, hang in midair, turn around, spin wheels, return to cliff [Followup]" |
| 03:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | if i was his editor i'd put literally in there and just let it go |
| 03:27.15 | Mr_Rabies | "literally" |
| 03:27.41 | Semlar | SENATE LITERALLY RUNS OFF A CLIFF |
| 03:28.10 | Mr_Rabies | if only :( |
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| 04:17.28 | VIad | Cheat Death says it's a absorb damage effect http://wowhead.com/spell=31230 - doesn't that mean if you deal more than 10mil dmg you will die regardless if you got the talent or not? :P |
| 04:48.57 | Mr_Rabies | that doesn't have the whole buff listed |
| 04:49.18 | Mr_Rabies | my guess is the damage taken reduced by 80% buff kicks in first |
| 04:49.39 | Mr_Rabies | then it does an absorb to let damage still hit something for calculation |
| 05:01.06 | pompy | Happy New Year! |
| 05:01.09 | Cairenn | Happy New Year! |
| 05:05.02 | g0urra | happy new year to you! |
| 05:11.27 | kd3 | whee. it's 2013 |
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| 05:26.50 | kd3 | in other news, we went over the fiscal cliff. sigh |
| 05:29.31 | pompy | surprised i dont see karl_w_w or bluspacecow saying "old" :P |
| 05:29.56 | pompy | in regards to new years. |
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| 05:30.32 | Trela | I think my plan is to do the engine break in on my project vehicle in at the morning at 6AM as soon as quiet hours lift. With tons of people hung over from alcohol. :D No muffler: Vrooom BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-*Repeat for mandatory thirty minutes.* |
| 05:43.38 | Arrowmaster | is the steam homepage slow to load or is my wifi busted again |
| 05:51.04 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7414956047?page=1 ah, 20 pages of a gold seller posting a message every minute for the last 6 hours |
| 05:51.31 | karl_w_w | old |
| 05:51.37 | Semlar | you're old |
| 05:51.46 | Semlar | IT CAN'T BE OLD IF IT'S STILL GOING ON |
| 05:52.33 | karl_w_w | new |
| 05:52.41 | Semlar | that's more like it |
| 05:54.05 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/ it's the #1 most popular topic |
| 05:56.50 | karl_w_w | how does that make you feel? |
| 05:58.48 | karl_w_w | why is mmo-champion wishing me happy birthday when it's not? |
| 05:59.57 | karl_w_w | because it forgot my birthday |
| 06:00.12 | karl_w_w | it thought I was born jan 1st 0001 |
| 06:00.31 | karl_w_w | shouldn't it be congratulating me on making it to 2012 years old? |
| 06:01.30 | Semlar | grats dude |
| 06:01.39 | karl_w_w | ty ty |
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| 06:05.11 | karl_w_w | mr tard, that's my name that name again is mr tard |
| 06:22.40 | karl_w_w | http://hopmancup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Serbia.jpg there's a guy who chose his outfit based on a dare |
| 07:02.10 | Ackis | happy new years you turds! |
| 07:06.18 | Cairenn | And Happy Birthday, Ackis :) |
| 07:10.10 | Cairenn | Holy crap, does Dolby ever clean up good or what? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4131910618664&set=a.1023939241322.2004971.1310478666&type=1&theater |
| 07:10.37 | durcyn | The page you requested cannot be displayed right now. It may be temporarily unavailable, the link you clicked on may have expired, or you may not have permission to view this page. |
| 07:10.40 | kd3 | I'd comment but it's saying unavailable |
| 07:10.47 | durcyn | he cleans up like shit based on that |
| 07:10.49 | Ackis | thanks Cairenn :D |
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| 07:24.29 | kd3 | ack |
| 07:24.38 | kd3 | just looked at his "All games" count in steam |
| 07:24.48 | kd3 | hit the 300 mark today... >.< |
| 07:24.51 | End_ | that way lies madness |
| 07:24.56 | End_ | how many of them unplayed |
| 07:25.31 | kd3 | a lot |
| 07:25.44 | End_ | yeah |
| 07:25.45 | End_ | me too |
| 07:25.46 | End_ | :< |
| 07:26.31 | End_ | I find that it's a bit overwhelming, so the situation never improves |
| 07:29.20 | pompy | End_, kd3: http://wastedonsteam.com/usd/id/kaydeethree |
| 07:30.21 | End_ | fuck you website I own games |
| 07:31.15 | End_ | oh there it goes |
| 07:31.30 | End_ | I guess it doesn't work right if you just change the url |
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| 07:31.52 | pompy | http://wastedonsteam.com/usd |
| 07:32.09 | End_ | apparently I've played far more of my games than kd3 |
| 07:32.18 | End_ | http://wastedonsteam.com/usd/id/endx7 |
| 07:32.36 | End_ | and my total hours is especially much higher |
| 07:33.21 | End_ | heh, games completed 0 |
| 07:33.29 | End_ | that's by achievements though of course |
| 07:35.05 | End_ | hm that isn't accurate...civ4 I've played over 300 hours, which is higher than civ5's 171 hours |
| 07:39.35 | Stanzilla | Stanzilla |
| 07:39.36 | Stanzilla | is ranked #6143 by hours played |
| 07:39.36 | Stanzilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.36 | Stanzilla | Has 629.4 hours of playtime. Their most played game is BORDERLANDS 2, with 143.4 hours played, which accounts for 23% of their total playtime. |
| 07:39.40 | Stanzilla | :| |
| 07:41.28 | Stanzilla | I'm more worried about the ~1000 DAYS of WoW play time though |
| 07:43.11 | karl_w_w | the thing isnt even working for my account |
| 07:45.28 | Mr_Rabies | when does the vp cap, etc reset? noon? |
| 07:45.41 | karl_w_w | oh it's just buggy when it hasnt seen the person before |
| 07:45.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'm usually up too late to see the reset |
| 07:46.56 | karl_w_w | http://wastedonsteam.com/usd/id/larwood and that's not actually accurate, i played and cleared dear esther in offline mode when I had no internets |
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| 08:15.40 | pompy | karl_w_w: cleared in what way? |
| 08:23.34 | karl_w_w | finished |
| 08:28.09 | pompy | well its not the web app's fault and it's not Steams either |
| 08:35.21 | Fisker | soothes kd3 |
| 08:48.05 | karl_w_w | I didnt say it was pompy |
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| 09:05.59 | tardmrr | this is really really cool |
| 09:05.59 | tardmrr | http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRBXJEA13AF55936A3 |
| 09:13.40 | Iriel | tardmrr: The infinite gangnam style one was my introduction to it |
| 09:13.40 | Fisker | pretty old though |
| 09:14.23 | tardmrr | oh I linked to a bad song |
| 09:14.29 | tardmrr | the journey didn't work as well |
| 09:15.32 | tardmrr | gangnam style works _really_ well |
| 09:15.57 | tardmrr | although it can get stuck in the chorus |
| 09:25.17 | KarlKFI | or for something a little more adventuresome: http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRGVJYG13BF56B5568 |
| 09:25.19 | Iriel | tardmrr: Interesting, it used to be much less prone to getting stuck |
| 09:25.41 | Iriel | tardmrr: but just now it was totally stuck. |
| 09:26.15 | Iriel | KarlKFI: Is that your theme song or something? I keep hearing it around you. |
| 09:26.40 | KarlKFI | i need one of those shirt speakers that plays it as i walk around |
| 09:29.26 | kd3 | what a way to ring in the new year... >.< http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/12/31/4-shot-during-new-years-eve-gathering-in-old-sacramento/ |
| 09:29.29 | kd3 | and on that note, zzz |
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| 09:31.42 | KarlKFI | Infinite Skrillex would work pretty well too, but that might be overkill |
| 09:32.38 | Iriel | This seems to work pretty well: http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRLYODB13BF57290E7 |
| 09:32.50 | nevcairiel | for some reason it just randomly stops playing for me |
| 09:33.38 | nevcairiel | aparently always when i do something else in the browser, maybe the browser is broken =p |
| 09:35.09 | KarlKFI | so does gotye http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRJKILH13AF8B5B01C |
| 09:39.03 | nevcairiel | that one got stock in the very last part of the song and just repeats ~10 seconds there |
| 09:39.07 | nevcairiel | stuck* |
| 09:39.41 | KarlKFI | wonder what kind of logic it used to decide when to follow a path |
| 09:39.52 | KarlKFI | uses* |
| 09:40.40 | Fisker | every time i F5 another tab nevcairiel |
| 09:40.43 | Fisker | sucks to be us |
| 09:41.06 | nevcairiel | i moved it to a seperate instance, works fine then |
| 09:41.14 | Iriel | The tab thing is explained in the FAQ |
| 09:42.10 | Fisker | damn chrome |
| 09:42.23 | Fisker | who told it to put javascript in low priority? |
| 09:43.25 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 09:43.28 | Fisker | are you tired? |
| 09:43.34 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 09:43.35 | KarlKFI | here: doesn't matter if it loops... http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRYYTPB1378FBAFF2F |
| 09:43.50 | Fisker | me neither |
| 09:43.53 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:44.07 | Fisker | does that upset you? |
| 09:46.05 | Iriel | I can't decide if I like what it did to this one (Click near the bottom of the ring to skip the intro): http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRYOKCJ13BF57EC759 |
| 09:46.51 | Fisker | i want my charger nevcairiel |
| 09:46.55 | Iriel | It's a bit too indiscriminant on the slower melody of the song |
| 09:47.15 | nevcairiel | Fisker: i want my phone |
| 09:47.29 | nevcairiel | when is the charger being released? |
| 09:47.45 | Fisker | sometime this month apparently |
| 09:47.57 | Fisker | where i'm getting it from says tomorrow |
| 09:48.01 | Fisker | but i'm not so sure about that |
| 09:48.06 | nevcairiel | all liars |
| 09:48.28 | Fisker | indeed |
| 09:48.35 | Fisker | it sucks |
| 09:48.43 | Fisker | the shop is otherwise pretty decent |
| 09:48.55 | Fisker | but they're obviously purposely lying about release dates and stuff to get more sales :P |
| 09:49.21 | Fisker | Also had Nexus 4 up before most people |
| 09:49.48 | Fisker | and even when pretty much the entire world had realized that it was coming in mid december for retail they still held on to a end-november date |
| 09:50.14 | Fisker | and when that date passed it was oddly enough coming out a week before every other retailer in the world |
| 09:50.23 | Fisker | funny how that works |
| 09:52.31 | nevcairiel | too bad all other Qi-based chargers just look like crap |
| 09:52.51 | Fisker | yep |
| 09:53.04 | Fisker | i don't even get why people are so amazed at the fatboy one |
| 09:53.13 | Fisker | who the fuck has their phone on a pillow? |
| 09:53.38 | Fisker | probably some weird nonsense only mikma could explain |
| 09:53.42 | nevcairiel | i heard the nokia one doesnt even work with the nexus |
| 09:53.59 | Fisker | yeah i heard that as well |
| 09:54.03 | Fisker | should work though |
| 09:54.08 | Fisker | not very well though |
| 09:54.13 | Fisker | since glass back :P |
| 09:55.05 | KarlKFI | here we go http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TREKDIN13BF58772EC |
| 09:55.48 | KarlKFI | most of the jumps have been flawless so far |
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| 10:05.28 | KarlKFI | Does this sound bogus to anyone else? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/darpa-drones/ |
| 10:06.32 | KarlKFI | if you're making it secure by having it all be synthesized from some specs... isn't that just like writing a new language to code in? |
| 10:07.06 | KarlKFI | it also assumes that the specs are actually simpler than the implementation |
| 10:07.07 | Iriel | KarlKFI: essentially yes. |
| 10:07.47 | Iriel | The point is that you /can/ end up with systems that are PROVABLY sound (assuming no hardware failure, etc etc etc) |
| 10:08.12 | Iriel | Whether it's ever practical, I guess we'll see - as you note, you still have to be able to define what it's supposed to do with sufficient detail. |
| 10:09.04 | xyphoid_ | and pretty much writing a spec to that level is writing code |
| 10:09.28 | Iriel | therein lies the rub |
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| 10:09.38 | Fisker | runs past haste and punches him in the face |
| 10:09.41 | Iriel | though the article does somewhat limit its scope to things that ARE relatively easy to specify. |
| 10:09.48 | xyphoid_ | i mean forget whether we can write perfect software, we haven't figured out how to write perfect specs yet |
| 10:10.49 | KarlKFI | basicaly they'd be writing their own language for remote controlled vehicles... |
| 10:11.11 | KarlKFI | if they're gonna re-use it, then go ahead |
| 10:11.35 | Iriel | Some of these formal languages already exist |
| 10:11.45 | Iriel | That was one of the most excruciating of my university level courses |
| 10:12.35 | KarlKFI | I'd rather see something that worked in the reverse manor: analyze software and suggest abstractions and refactoring to make it cleaner. |
| 10:12.39 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_notation |
| 10:13.13 | KarlKFI | if it could see common patterns and recognize irregularities it would catch half the bugs by itself... |
| 10:13.40 | Iriel | Sleep time. |
| 10:14.22 | KarlKFI | happy new year hawaii? |
| 10:17.18 | mckenziemc | KarlKFI: yes, it would be a declarative programming language |
| 10:25.40 | nevcairiel | KarlKFI: doesnt that article go into why such analysis software can never "solve" the problem? :d |
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| 10:57.45 | mikma | fisker: http://imgur.com/gallery/xWoRe |
| 11:10.07 | Fisker | i don't get it mikma |
| 11:14.18 | Maldivia | come on, garmisch-partenkirchen |
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| 11:16.27 | mikma | fisker: http://imgur.com/gallery/O8YVx |
| 11:20.52 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/JTpDI |
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| 11:48.19 | Adys | Arrowmaster, Dagmar: since when is creating a swap partition optional? |
| 11:48.20 | Adys | "If you have made a partition dedicated to swap (code 82), don't forget to format and activate it" |
| 11:48.41 | nevcairiel | you could also have a swap file |
| 11:50.12 | karl_w_w | why are the wow forums broken? |
| 11:51.57 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: new year, new bugs |
| 11:53.36 | karl_w_w | makes sense |
| 11:59.54 | stuf | oh yeah, I should have the whole lot now available at the farm |
| 12:23.17 | Fisker | who needs swap anyway nevcairiel ? |
| 12:29.14 | mikma | merry 2013 fisker |
| 12:29.23 | mikma | i hope you get lots and lots of sex this year |
| 12:29.32 | mikma | tis the year of fisker |
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| 12:45.47 | Adys_ | http://paste2.org/p/2679480 what's the syntax error there? (parse error near fi) |
| 12:47.29 | Adys | nvm |
| 12:52.28 | Fisker | what is fi? |
| 12:52.38 | Fisker | just misspelled if? |
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| 13:04.14 | Adys | Fisker: fi is the closing keyword for an if statement in shell |
| 13:04.27 | Adys | so it's if ...; then ... else ... fi |
| 13:04.59 | nevcairiel | be aware that you're most likely being trolled :P |
| 13:05.27 | Adys | the first time i saw "fi" i also wondered what the fuck it was |
| 13:09.51 | Fisker | no nevcairiel |
| 13:09.56 | Fisker | sry |
| 13:23.34 | Fisker | anyway that sucks Adys |
| 13:23.48 | Fisker | even using if as closing makes more sense |
| 13:25.26 | Adys | that would be a syntactical pain |
| 13:26.59 | Fisker | indeed it would |
| 13:27.20 | Fisker | but i guess it's a smart way of mirroring { ... } syntax by simply writing if backwards :P |
| 13:33.40 | karl_w_w | Fisker is a bilgesnipe |
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| 14:17.06 | Kraps | IS PROTOTYPE 2 GOOD |
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| 14:21.00 | Fisker | THAT IS NOT A QUESTION KRAPS |
| 14:21.21 | Kraps | ITS NOT? |
| 14:22.03 | Kraps | i have 2 more dota 2's if anyone wants them |
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| 14:26.22 | Kraps | the live action trailer is totally cool |
| 14:26.33 | VIad | link, Kraps |
| 14:27.45 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqDL4zN9ZDA |
| 14:35.26 | Fisker | hope you don't die Kraps |
| 14:35.53 | Kraps | Fisker, is prototype 2 a good game? |
| 14:36.21 | Maldivia | Kraps: is dota 2 any good? |
| 14:38.16 | Kraps | Maldivia, if you like mobas you'll probably like it, i'm not really familiar with the genre |
| 14:38.42 | Maldivia | Kraps: last I heard, the gameplay was really choppy compared to other dota-style games |
| 14:38.51 | Kraps | no idea |
| 14:48.32 | karl_w_w | dota 2 is pretty good |
| 14:49.00 | karl_w_w | i still prefer regular dota |
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| 14:51.50 | Kraps | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/12/04/hijinks-square-say-threaten-hits-on-your-friends/ |
| 14:54.55 | karl_w_w | rofl |
| 14:55.17 | karl_w_w | at least dozens of people must have thought that was a good idea before they did it |
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| 15:12.26 | Fisker | dead yet haste ? |
| 15:13.26 | haste | almost |
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| 15:42.07 | Fisker | :) |
| 15:48.55 | VIad | did curse bug at tonights point generation thingy? |
| 15:52.20 | nevcairiel | it sometimes skips a day, it re-distributes the lost points over the other days, nothing to worry about |
| 15:55.16 | VIad | I guess it shows 0.0000 because the actual number is even lower or something ^^ |
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| 16:25.22 | karl_w_w | oh look |
| 16:25.43 | karl_w_w | hitman absolution on steam up for community choice |
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| 16:39.38 | Arrowmaster | none of the images on the steam site will load for me |
| 16:39.59 | Amarande | hm. game of thrones bundle $17.49 on steam. |
| 16:40.56 | Amarande | but for the moment, since it's the first and I know my bandwidth cap's reset so I'm not in-the-air about where the hell I am usage-wise, time to reinstall DA:O |
| 16:43.12 | Arrowmaster | you have a bandwidth cap? which 3rd world country are you from? |
| 16:53.17 | karl_w_w | everyone has a bandwidth cap |
| 16:53.35 | karl_w_w | there is no technology with unlimited bandwidth |
| 16:56.44 | Ressy | There are ISPs in North American without caps |
| 17:00.42 | nebula169 | sure, if you pay for a business connection |
| 17:01.20 | foxlit | (north america is code for mexico) |
| 17:04.28 | Amarande | yeah, typically in the USA you have to pay for a "business" connection if you don't want a cap |
| 17:05.22 | Amarande | and since everything is so tied up in triple play deals and everything, that means you'd probably have to pay the business rate for TV and phone too or likely pay even *more* since you'd be paying a la carte for everything |
| 17:10.27 | karl_w_w | so what do they do if the business wants more bandwidth? just lay more fibre connections ad nauseum? |
| 17:11.03 | karl_w_w | sounds like a good way to lose money |
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| 17:15.43 | Amarande | karl: when "bandwidth caps" are spoken of, generally one's not actually referring to the width of the pipe as in speed |
| 17:15.52 | Amarande | but rather, the amount of data the customer is permitted to use on the plan |
| 17:16.57 | karl_w_w | then one should not say bandwidth cap |
| 17:17.48 | karl_w_w | one should say download, data or quota instead of bandwidth |
| 17:19.14 | karl_w_w | one would think that somebody who uses the word one in such a pretentious manner would know what the word bandwidth means |
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| 17:34.44 | Amarande | karl: in any case, as one gets towards the end of the month, especially a month where one had to reinstall Windows and a large number of games, and more of one's Netflix-loving family members are home due to the holidays, one gets a little wary of large downloads |
| 17:34.49 | Amarande | then the 1st comes by and one's happy again. :) |
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| 17:43.06 | karl_w_w | one should get a larger cap then :P |
| 17:44.39 | Amarande | karl: typically, there aren't much choices for that |
| 17:44.51 | Semlar | you have a cap on data? |
| 17:44.59 | Amarande | Usually, only with the pitiful download caps offered by cell phone companies do you get a choice as to how much you want in your plan |
| 17:45.22 | karl_w_w | that seems to defeat the purpose of a cap |
| 17:46.55 | Amarande | karl: well, the basic idea there is, you purchase the ability to download X GB per month and then you get charged at metered rates for everything past that |
| 17:47.27 | Amarande | the actual *idea* is that people will, to avoid the metered charges, purchase a cap that's substantially more than they'll actually use most of the time, so they'll most months pay for a lot of unused bandwidth |
| 17:48.14 | karl_w_w | here you get choice of cap and when you go over your connection gets slowed |
| 17:48.21 | Amarande | (and even in the case of say Sprint who offer unlimited mobile data, a lot of people will probably spring for the unlimited just because, and then actually not use anywhere near what the metered plans offer) |
| 17:48.28 | karl_w_w | usually to around 512 kbps |
| 17:48.55 | karl_w_w | a few ISPs charge directly for usage over instead of slowing but it's always optional |
| 17:49.13 | karl_w_w | and fewer ISPs still allow you to buy an extra block of say 5gb |
| 17:49.36 | Amarande | however, with cable and DSL, the monthly usage cap is simply a function of what data speed you sign up for, and you can't "pay for a higher cap" except by upgrading to the business tier (which can't be triple played with residential TV and phone plans, so you gotta either pay the horrendous a la carte prices or upgrade to business tier on those TOO) |
| 17:50.02 | karl_w_w | that's very strange |
| 17:50.13 | karl_w_w | they make you pay for higher speeds? |
| 17:50.17 | Amarande | and the policies of ISPs differ wildly above the cap |
| 17:50.28 | Amarande | yup, typically around here cable providers offer choice of three or four speeds at varying prices |
| 17:50.40 | karl_w_w | what sort of speeds? |
| 17:50.54 | Amarande | last I looked, the choices around here were 3, 15, 30, or 100 Mbps |
| 17:50.57 | Semlar | what caps do they have? |
| 17:51.08 | Amarande | and each are married to a cap of 150, 150, 250, and 500 GB a month |
| 17:51.14 | Semlar | wow |
| 17:51.24 | Amarande | oh, and Charter still hasn't come into the light like Comcast and AT&T with overages: Comcast and AT&T just charge you metered overages, like a cell phone plan |
| 17:51.50 | Semlar | i'm sure my isp would start throttling me at some point but i could easily hit 100gb a day |
| 17:51.57 | Amarande | apparently (though I've yet to actually receive one), Charter instead treats going over as a TERMS OF SERVICE VIOLATION (claim: "you're interfering with other people's usage, you need to use less NOW") with a rule of three strikes and you're banned for a minimum of 6 months |
| 17:52.16 | Ressy | I'm on a 300gb plan, 28/1. If I wanted, I could pay for the same plan but with no cap. Its $15 more |
| 17:52.20 | karl_w_w | banned from the intarwebz |
| 17:52.41 | Semlar | and you're not talking about mobile plans? |
| 17:52.53 | karl_w_w | not really no cap Ressy, I'm sure there's some kind of fair usage clause :P |
| 17:52.54 | Ressy | I'm not.. |
| 17:53.00 | Ressy | karl_w_w: Nope. |
| 17:53.02 | Amarande | heh, I can imagine them loving to do that too. after all, you get kicked off your cable Internet? guess what, you're not just banned from the Internet |
| 17:53.07 | Ressy | My ISP is known for downloaders. lol |
| 17:53.14 | Amarande | you also get treated as if you chose to drop your HSI service |
| 17:53.31 | Ressy | Its why Voltage is going after my ISP for copytroll suits here in Canada |
| 17:53.48 | Amarande | which means if you have a triple play contract like most people? guess what, your TV and phone now soar to a la carte rates and you eat the ETF for failing to maintain your triple play plan as signed up for for the year :) |
| 17:54.10 | Ressy | Me? No. |
| 17:54.26 | Semlar | i hate tv |
| 17:54.34 | Semlar | and i only have a cell phone |
| 17:54.34 | karl_w_w | see they wouldn't get away with cutting you off for such minor things here |
| 17:54.51 | Semlar | i hate that nobody offers just internet for a decent price |
| 17:55.04 | Amarande | heh, sooner or later Charter will probably switch to metered overages anyway, as it seems to be the way of things. don't know when, though, and as I don't currently have means of tracking bandwidth usage in a month ... |
| 17:55.17 | Semlar | do you have a router? |
| 17:55.31 | karl_w_w | they don't even tell you your usage? |
| 17:55.33 | Amarande | yeah, I wasn't about to reinstall DA:O (or for that matter gift my sister a new month of WoW, which would result in her needing to download the 20GB or so 5.1 patch) until the new month |
| 17:55.44 | Amarande | karl: Charter has been notorious for failing to provide monitoring tools, so I've read |
| 17:55.55 | Semlar | my router keeps track of ingoing and outgoing traffic by month |
| 17:56.04 | karl_w_w | so how are their practices not illegal? |
| 17:56.05 | Amarande | Semlar: I have an ancient WRT54G, ROFL |
| 17:56.15 | Semlar | i have DDWRT on it |
| 17:56.23 | Amarande | karl: welcome to America |
| 17:56.30 | Ressy | FCC has no pull whatsoever? |
| 17:56.47 | Amarande | Hah. Practices in this country tend to be illegal if and only if they result in reduced profits for large corporations. :P |
| 17:56.50 | Semlar | it's actually a wrt54g too |
| 17:57.00 | Semlar | i just replaced the firmware |
| 17:57.10 | Semlar | mostly because i was using it as a bridge for a while |
| 17:57.30 | Amarande | This is why it's apparently OK for the government to botch Fast & Furious, but a horrible, horrible crime against humanity for an Amish farmer to sell unpasteurised milk :P |
| 17:58.04 | Semlar | i think if people want to take the risk they should be able to buy unpasteurized stuff, it's ridiculous that it should be considered a crime |
| 17:58.32 | Amarande | Semlar: it's because the government is in the business of making sure you need the products of their corporate sponsors |
| 17:58.48 | Semlar | :\ |
| 17:58.56 | karl_w_w | i think if people want to take the risk they should be able to buy heroin, it's ridiculous that it should be considered a crime |
| 17:58.56 | Amarande | I don't think I can get much more blunt than that |
| 18:00.03 | Semlar | heroin can't really be compared to unpasteurized milk because most IV drug users get aids |
| 18:00.29 | karl_w_w | that's a pretty big stretch |
| 18:00.42 | Amarande | karl: the more appropriate comparison is marijuana |
| 18:00.54 | karl_w_w | no it isn't |
| 18:00.57 | Amarande | particularly because marijuana's originally becoming illegal was actually nothing to do with drug usage at all |
| 18:01.06 | Amarande | but WAS, in fact, purely due to corporate profiteering |
| 18:01.18 | karl_w_w | unpasteurized milk is much more dangerous than weed |
| 18:01.38 | Semlar | that actually would depend on what you consider dangerous |
| 18:01.49 | Amarande | karl: fallacy, in India they use it all the time, nation of a billion people and you don't hear about people dying left right and centre from food poisoning from milk |
| 18:02.02 | Amarande | it was used all the time in America back in the day, it's what the Founding Fathers drank |
| 18:02.12 | Semlar | it might be just about impossible to OD on weed but it has an impact on your brain |
| 18:02.27 | Amarande | and it's still used on a small scale, plenty of farmers who drink milk straight from their own cow, they're just not allowed on pain of horrible punishment to distribute or sell it |
| 18:03.08 | Amarande | and yes, like I said, weed became banned not because of any kind of danger (in fact, it had nothing to do with THC at all, initially), but because of corporate greed |
| 18:03.18 | karl_w_w | wtf have some dead blokes got to do with it? |
| 18:03.25 | Amarande | there was this fellow named William Randolph Hearst early last century |
| 18:03.45 | Amarande | Lovely chap. I'd probably rather hang out with Varimathras, mind you. :P |
| 18:04.15 | Amarande | he was in the newspaper business, and he noted that competing newspapers kept costs down by using hemp based paper |
| 18:04.36 | Amarande | so he used his money and clout to get the federal government to ban hemp by *bringing up* the whole reefer-madness thing |
| 18:04.51 | Amarande | however, it was never about THC, it was about driving up costs for competing newspapers by forcing them to use the more expensive paper materials :| |
| 18:05.14 | Amarande | once again. Practices in this country tend to be illegal if and only if they result in reduced profits for large corporations. :P |
| 18:06.27 | Semlar | anyway, you have charter? |
| 18:06.43 | Amarande | karl: the point is that plenty of people drank and still drink unpasteurised milk and you barely EVER hear about cases of food poisoning from it |
| 18:07.04 | Amarande | mind you, though, this is because of another matter: the milk that's actually consumed that way comes from cows that are taken much better care of |
| 18:07.18 | karl_w_w | so what your saying is because the founding fathers did it that makes it ok? |
| 18:07.29 | Amarande | if you drank unpasteurised milk from the kind of cows they use on mass factory farming operations, you probably WOULD get sick, assuming you could get yourself to even swallow the crap without retching LOL |
| 18:07.36 | karl_w_w | we should live our lives by that rule, thinks would turn out perfectly I'm surew |
| 18:07.59 | Amarande | karl: the point is the "omg it's not safe!" thing is a very modern bugaboo, mostly propagated by large corporate farmers and their government allies |
| 18:08.14 | Semlar | amarande they pasteurize milk because it allows them to work in less clean environments without poisoning people |
| 18:08.23 | Amarande | Semlar: exactly. |
| 18:08.24 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: I have a 50mm, 55-250mm, and an 18-55m. I also have a really nice speedlite for my 450D. I can pick something else up for a Christmas present.. what would you suggest? |
| 18:08.25 | Semlar | it saves them money |
| 18:08.38 | Amarande | It's just like the reason we can't get the German 70 MPG TDi cars in the US, really |
| 18:08.43 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: I got a EOS-M, but decided its definitely not worth the cost, so I returned it. |
| 18:08.46 | Amarande | it all comes down to "omg emissions" |
| 18:09.08 | Thunder_Child | what's the F stop on your prime? |
| 18:09.19 | karl_w_w | https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/251393_580362778647780_291153331_n.jpg |
| 18:09.25 | Shirik | 450D is EF-s right? |
| 18:09.47 | Amarande | Apparently, the German TDi's don't include as aggressive of emissions filtering as American-sold cars, because they have cleaner diesel in Europe |
| 18:10.43 | Amarande | So the oil industry leverages the emissions standards to keep people from saving on fuel (and thus lowering their profits), and ultimately it really comes down to the fact that the oil industry in the US sells crappier diesel with a lot more pollutants |
| 18:10.55 | Amarande | and doesn't want to have to filter out the fuel at the factory (and thus lower their profits) |
| 18:11.36 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 18:11.41 | Shirik | when did Canon start making a 70-300 DO |
| 18:11.54 | Semlar | when you weren't looking |
| 18:12.06 | Amarande | Oh, to return to the bandwidth thing ... DSL offers tiers of speed too, but there it's probably a lot more rational |
| 18:12.22 | Amarande | since unlike cable, with DSL depending on distance there's only so much bandwidth you can GET |
| 18:12.35 | Semlar | in my case it's none |
| 18:12.43 | Amarande | so either you have to deny it altogether to people who can't get the max speed (then they'll go to cable and you won't make money from them) |
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| 18:13.19 | Amarande | charge the people at the farther fringes, who get lower speed, just as much as the big city folks who CAN get the max speed (but then they'll go to cable and you won't make money from them) |
| 18:13.50 | Amarande | charge the big city folks based on what the sticks-speed performance is worth (then you just lower your profits outright) |
| 18:13.52 | Thunder_Child | I'd still prefer the 70-200 f2.8 |
| 18:14.08 | Amarande | or you have tiered bandwidth (which lets you charge the sticks people for what they can get, and the big city folks for what they can get, ????, PROFIT) |
| 18:14.11 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: yeah, SF-S |
| 18:14.19 | jnwhiteh | EF-S, rather. |
| 18:14.42 | jnwhiteh | I really like the idea of the EOS-M, something that I can comfortably bring with me more places. |
| 18:14.51 | Semlar | except AT&T just tried to sell me a plan that i couldn't actually use because of my location |
| 18:15.02 | jnwhiteh | But its so.. fucking.. slow. |
| 18:15.06 | Thunder_Child | Could also get a macro lens and ring flash |
| 18:15.33 | jnwhiteh | I've never done any macro work, actually |
| 18:15.38 | Semlar | i had DSL for 2 months that dropped constantly and didn't get anywhere near their advertised speeds |
| 18:15.43 | Thunder_Child | it's nifty stuff |
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| 18:15.54 | jnwhiteh | Semlar: the speed of the 450D is ace, not one complaint |
| 18:15.59 | jnwhiteh | the EOS-M is just crippled |
| 18:16.01 | jnwhiteh | pathetically |
| 18:16.03 | Amarande | heh, I apparently went at least a couple months on cable not being able to use the speed we pay for in this family |
| 18:16.08 | Amarande | because we didn't have a DOCSIS 3 modem |
| 18:16.38 | Thunder_Child | umm...camera != internet |
| 18:16.42 | Shirik | how much are you looking to spend jnwhiteh? |
| 18:16.50 | Semlar | they sent me a refund in the form of a prepaid credit card after admitting they didn't actually offer that plan in my area |
| 18:16.51 | Amarande | of course, then I go out and buy a DOCSIS 3 modem & now hear that the next time we change our plan at all (which we might later this year depending on what the pricing is like once our introductory triple play offer ends) we can ONLY use a Charter issued modem and the one I paid $110 for will be useless :P |
| 18:16.56 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I don't think a 70-200 f/2.8 is made for EF-S |
| 18:17.13 | Shirik | but that's exactly where my mind went first, too |
| 18:17.14 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: I have a reasonable budget for this, the cost of an EOS-M, if I want to go in that direction. |
| 18:17.32 | Amarande | indeed, it seems that customer-purchased cable modems will pretty much be worthless bricks in general in the not so far future |
| 18:18.01 | Amarande | since it seems like just about every broadband company is moving towards the "you gotta rent our modem" shtick |
| 18:18.23 | Amarande | interesting, seeing as the whole Internet industry probably wouldn't have got off the ground if it wasn't for the *opposite* trend years ago :) |
| 18:18.27 | karl_w_w | nobody gets advertised adsl speeds Semlar, that's just how it works :P |
| 18:18.36 | Shirik | This is an extremely fast lens, if that's useful to you: http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/30mm-f14-ex-dc-hsm-sigma |
| 18:18.39 | karl_w_w | that's why the speeds say up to x mb |
| 18:18.42 | Semlar | no this wasn't anywhere near what it was supposed to be |
| 18:18.50 | Adys | * "git submodule sync" learned the "--recursive" option. |
| 18:18.52 | Adys | sweet |
| 18:18.53 | Semlar | this was like dial-up on a broken phone line |
| 18:18.54 | Thunder_Child | so ~$700? |
| 18:18.57 | jnwhiteh | but honestly, I don't find myself using my 55-250 because of the size and weight, in general |
| 18:19.13 | Shirik | DO fixes that problem |
| 18:19.17 | jnwhiteh | DO? |
| 18:19.22 | Shirik | diffractive optics |
| 18:19.23 | Amarande | back in the day, the whole trend was *towards* letting people own their own equipment. no more "you have to use Ma Bell's ugly old phone that gets built into your wall" BS like the mid-1900s |
| 18:19.37 | Amarande | now the trend seems to be towards disallowing customer-owned CPE, and forcing them to use the provider's |
| 18:19.40 | Amarande | wonder what's with that |
| 18:19.43 | Shirik | this really cool technology Canon came up with that relies on quantum principles to correct for errors, meaning they can use less glass |
| 18:19.53 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh: It all depends on how you take your prictures. Studio, Landscape, Macro, etc. |
| 18:20.02 | Shirik | but it's only just starting out, so they only have 2 lenses with it |
| 18:20.11 | Thunder_Child | pictures* |
| 18:20.26 | jnwhiteh | Thunder_Child: aye, I don't have a regular pattern really right now |
| 18:20.29 | jnwhiteh | I enjoy taking pictures |
| 18:20.41 | jnwhiteh | that's why I'm hesitant to drop too much more on more kit |
| 18:20.42 | Shirik | https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_70_300mm_f_4_5_5_6_do_is_usm |
| 18:20.44 | Shirik | Check out how tiny that is |
| 18:20.47 | Shirik | and it's 70-300 |
| 18:20.52 | jnwhiteh | oh wow |
| 18:20.53 | jnwhiteh | that's insane. |
| 18:21.13 | Shirik | but it's an EF lens :( |
| 18:21.15 | Thunder_Child | well yes, but again, your f-stop is less than idea |
| 18:21.20 | Thunder_Child | ideal* |
| 18:21.30 | Shirik | Anyway, my vote is on that 30mm f/1.4 lens |
| 18:21.37 | Shirik | will take care of your low light situations |
| 18:21.44 | Amarande | Mmmmm, DSLR. |
| 18:21.55 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: it wouldn't have the additional crop factor, would it? |
| 18:22.00 | Amarande | I almost bought a ... Nikon D3100 I think it was a year or two ago when I was in B&H |
| 18:22.12 | Amarande | but then decided I didn't want to spend $600 on a camera right then :S |
| 18:22.16 | Shirik | 30mm should be like a typical 50mm or so |
| 18:22.19 | jnwhiteh | that's the issue with my 50mm right now, it's full frame so it gets cropped to about 80 |
| 18:22.20 | Thunder_Child | it would but i think that bumps you properly to 50 |
| 18:22.20 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 18:22.25 | jnwhiteh | yeah that's good |
| 18:22.34 | jnwhiteh | 80 is a bit too close for my only prime |
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| 18:23.15 | stuf | 80mm is good. on medium formats! |
| 18:23.25 | jnwhiteh | whatdya mean? |
| 18:23.31 | Thunder_Child | although, from what i hear sigmas 30mm f/1.4 is actually better than canon's |
| 18:23.39 | stuf | Thunder_Child: but the AF... not so. |
| 18:23.49 | Amarande | didn't terms like "medium format" die out with film? |
| 18:23.51 | Shirik | Sigma makes pretty sweet lenses |
| 18:24.06 | stuf | Amarande: medium and large format are alive and doing pretty well, actually. :P |
| 18:24.08 | Amarande | we have digital now, you don't have the whole physical distinction between 35mm, 120, 220 etc. |
| 18:24.20 | Shirik | actually you do |
| 18:24.25 | Shirik | it's in the size of the CCD now |
| 18:24.45 | jnwhiteh | do you guys have any experiences with mirrorless? |
| 18:24.47 | Amarande | Shirik: even cheap point & shoot digitals have scary fine detail though |
| 18:24.53 | Shirik | irrelevant |
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| 18:24.57 | Amarande | like, take a photo of yourself sitting at your desk with the computer behind you? |
| 18:25.07 | Amarande | anything on that computer screen, even on a crappy point & shoot, you'll be able to read plain as day |
| 18:25.31 | Shirik | I bought my camera for the full frame sensor not because of the number of pixels they could fit on it, but rather the amount of light that can come in |
| 18:25.59 | Shirik | larger sensor sizes do a better job of handling low light situations |
| 18:26.44 | stuf | I'd like a 5D III tho to replace my 7D |
| 18:27.16 | Thunder_Child | I picked up a 5D mk. 3, a few months ago, it's nice |
| 18:27.21 | Thunder_Child | low light is amazing |
| 18:27.22 | Shirik | I hate you Thunder_Child |
| 18:27.31 | stuf | haha |
| 18:27.35 | jnwhiteh | yikes, 7D is expensive =) |
| 18:27.43 | Thunder_Child | now you know how i felt when you got the mk. 2 Shirik. |
| 18:27.47 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:28.59 | stuf | oh photography, poverty is your everyday foe |
| 18:29.49 | stuf | 5D III and maybe exchange my 24-70/2.8 for the Mk. II |
| 18:29.53 | Arrowmaster | Shirik probably has a lense worth more than my car |
| 18:30.11 | Shirik | $2500 is my highest |
| 18:30.16 | Shirik | I did rent an $8000 one once |
| 18:30.22 | Thunder_Child | If i take my camrea into the car it quituples in price |
| 18:30.27 | karl_w_w | beats my car Shirik |
| 18:30.27 | Thunder_Child | camera* |
| 18:30.29 | stuf | haha |
| 18:30.34 | Arrowmaster | i think thats more than my car too |
| 18:30.42 | Shirik | apparently it is only $6500 now |
| 18:30.43 | Shirik | https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_400mm_f_4_do_is_usm |
| 18:30.44 | stuf | but OTOH I'd like to get a 4x5 tachihara tho. oh what to do. |
| 18:30.54 | Thunder_Child | quintuples* |
| 18:32.16 | jnwhiteh | do you every shoot video with your body? |
| 18:32.39 | Thunder_Child | sometimes, but it's just because it's there |
| 18:32.40 | Thunder_Child | and i can |
| 18:33.00 | jnwhiteh | 450D doesn't have it, I would have used it last night |
| 18:33.02 | jnwhiteh | for the fireworks |
| 18:33.03 | jnwhiteh | but meh |
| 18:33.19 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: yeah i just checked bluebook, same price as my car |
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| 18:34.42 | karl_w_w | one day i will win the lottery and I still won't buy any cameras with it because I don't understand this obsession with photography :P |
| 18:35.34 | nevcairiel | if i win the lottery, i'll buy shiriks dream camera and then i'll film with my crappy phone camera how i smash that expensive camera with a big hammer |
| 18:35.44 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:35.45 | karl_w_w | hahah |
| 18:35.51 | karl_w_w | aw that's mean |
| 18:36.14 | karl_w_w | if i win the lottery i will only do nice things |
| 18:36.19 | karl_w_w | for myself |
| 18:36.21 | karl_w_w | :D |
| 18:36.26 | nevcairiel | this is nice for myself |
| 18:36.31 | nevcairiel | much fun to be had |
| 18:36.45 | nevcairiel | althought admittedly an expensive hour of fun |
| 18:40.56 | pompy | dafuq https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/consumer_cameras_wft/wireless_file_transmitter_wft_e7a |
| 18:42.36 | Shirik | pompy: The thing I hate is you're STILL limited to the 4GB limit |
| 18:43.05 | Shirik | you can't like wirelessly send video to your computer or something |
| 18:43.38 | Shirik | some day Canon is going to get off their asses and come up with a reasonable way to support larger videos |
| 18:43.44 | pompy | the pricetag on those devices are redic. |
| 18:44.16 | Shirik | that's nothing |
| 18:44.24 | Shirik | I mean you're getting into professional territory |
| 18:44.29 | Shirik | professional equipment always costs more, in any field |
| 18:44.44 | Shirik | if you buy a business laptop from dell it costs $1000 more |
| 18:44.48 | Shirik | just because it's a business laptop |
| 18:44.51 | Shirik | it has all the same parts |
| 18:45.06 | Shirik | it might have one of those cryptography chips in it or something |
| 18:45.07 | stuf | you'd be surprised what higher end 4x5 or 8x10 cameras cost |
| 18:45.18 | Thunder_Child | It's a heat thing iirc, that limit's you to 4gb |
| 18:45.23 | Thunder_Child | limits* |
| 18:45.36 | Shirik | I think my flash cost a couple hundred bucks |
| 18:45.46 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: It's the FAT system they use on the cards |
| 18:46.01 | Shirik | heat is a problem, too, but even if you keep that under control, you're still limited to 4GB |
| 18:46.11 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: no, because you can 'stream' directly to a computer |
| 18:46.24 | Shirik | since when? |
| 18:46.52 | Thunder_Child | I thought it was always that way |
| 18:47.16 | Shirik | here pompy. Not the flash I have, but equally redic: https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/speedlite_flash_lineup/speedlite_600ex_rt |
| 18:47.48 | Shirik | this is mine, not quite as cool: https://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/speedlite_flash_lineup/speedlite_430ex_ii |
| 18:48.20 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Is this a 5D3 feature only? |
| 18:48.28 | Shirik | I've never found this solution |
| 18:48.32 | Thunder_Child | I didn't have the 5D then |
| 18:48.46 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Seerah -> http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy New Year! || Happy Birthday Ackis! |
| 18:48.50 | Thunder_Child | I could be misremembering, but i thought i did that |
| 18:49.58 | Shirik | like this was the whole reason behind me considering getting a Canon video camera |
| 18:50.03 | Shirik | if I can circumvent this I will be extremely happy |
| 18:50.28 | pompy | Power Source |
| 18:50.28 | pompy | Four AA-size/LR6 alkaline or rechargeable Ni-MH or Lithium Batteries |
| 18:50.32 | pompy | quite the selection |
| 18:52.01 | Shirik | But not NiCd batteries |
| 18:52.27 | Shirik | for those extremely high drain AA devices |
| 18:52.30 | Amarande | NiCd are crap, anyway :S |
| 18:52.43 | Amarande | those are the ones with that accursed "memory effect" |
| 18:52.59 | Amarande | where if you don't let them fully die before recharging, or if you need them before they're *fully* recharged you kill their capacity :S |
| 18:58.31 | Semlar | is there some way to output the progress of my script to the console without drastically slowing it down (on windows) |
| 18:58.58 | Semlar | maybe launch it in a separate thread |
| 19:00.22 | Semlar | it's more than 30 times slower to print the progress than do it silently |
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| 19:11.40 | zenzelezz | so this guy at work decided to propose to his girlfriend, but he didn't want it to be cheesy... so he made an Android app |
| 19:11.46 | zenzelezz | I guess we have different definitions for "cheesy" |
| 19:16.49 | Thunder_Child | Agreed |
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| 19:21.06 | bleeter | it might work |
| 19:21.31 | bleeter | if, for example, she's a handset compliance tester and was given a new handset to check for a telco |
| 19:21.54 | bleeter | i mean, you'd have to be a bit geeky to do that kinda job. so I can imagine that situation *might* work |
| 19:21.56 | bleeter | but yeah |
| 19:21.57 | bleeter | very suck |
| 19:35.56 | Fisker | so haste |
| 19:36.03 | Fisker | mean Seerah |
| 19:36.05 | Fisker | so mean |
| 19:36.21 | Fisker | will i get my wireless charging pad tomorrow haste ? |
| 19:36.58 | Fisker | i hope you don't die btw Ackis |
| 19:42.52 | bleeter | Shirik: fwiw the reason I went Canon was MagicLantern. |
| 19:43.07 | bleeter | if it weren't for that, prob woulda bought other |
| 19:55.23 | haste | where did you order it from Fisker ? |
| 19:55.39 | haste | or is it just some random Qi? |
| 19:56.42 | Fisker | proshop haste |
| 19:56.44 | Fisker | and not random qi |
| 19:57.02 | haste | proshop so shady |
| 19:57.28 | haste | lists that they have stuff when they don't and so on |
| 20:01.27 | Fisker | yep |
| 20:01.57 | Fisker | also not sure if they mean next month or tomorrow |
| 20:02.15 | Fisker | oh |
| 20:02.16 | Fisker | next month |
| 20:02.17 | Fisker | lol |
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| 20:12.14 | haste | haha |
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| 20:23.23 | bleeter | anyone here screw around with arduino autopilots for cheap IR/RC copters? |
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| 20:24.49 | Ackis | does the naked birthday streak around the channel! |
| 20:27.27 | Thunder_Child | No, not ok |
| 20:27.44 | Thunder_Child | It's Ackis's happy birthday, but our unhappy one. |
| 20:29.49 | Shirik | bleeter: I've messed around with arduinos |
| 20:30.01 | bleeter | hey did anyone ever discover what the devs were smoking when they decided hunters should still be able to use a polearm? |
| 20:30.13 | bleeter | coz I could sure use some of that right now |
| 20:31.13 | bleeter | Shirik: for autopilot? cheap RC copter I got at christmas has really touchy controls. was thinking some arduino love to ... adjust it ... some. |
| 20:31.37 | Shirik | it was for a ground vehicle |
| 20:31.39 | bleeter | seems to be a few sites around describing the ins and outs, just I have nfi what's 'reputable' or not |
| 20:31.56 | bleeter | ah |
| 20:31.57 | bleeter | well |
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| 20:32.06 | bleeter | my car's broken down at the moment .... so... hmmm |
| 20:32.10 | Shirik | :P |
| 20:32.18 | Shirik | I wasn't sure the scope of your question |
| 20:32.44 | kkspy | Hello. may I ask about Grid2? How to setup border-highlight on mouseover instead of target? |
| 20:32.52 | bleeter | my understanding of autopilots is that, to some degree, the fluid one's travelling through is by and large irrelevant |
| 20:33.33 | bleeter | Shirik: and that's the kinda foo I wanna read up on. I'll keep asking around. Thanks for response :) |
| 20:33.47 | Shirik | well that's completely unrelated to arduinos :) |
| 20:34.42 | Shirik | It's also one of my areas of expertise, though to be fair an autopilot for a copter and a fixed wing plane are fairly dissimilar |
| 20:34.44 | kkspy | I do not want to edit the LUA code.. |
| 20:35.27 | kd3 | grid should have the option to handle that iirc... http://www.wowace.com/addons/grid/pages/users-guide/ |
| 20:35.36 | Semlar | does anyone have a compiled stormlib.dll |
| 20:36.46 | kd3 | well, sure, but whatever I'll hand you is compiled for linux |
| 20:36.56 | Semlar | :\ |
| 20:37.01 | kkspy | kd3: thank you, but I am quite happy with grid2 |
| 20:37.02 | Shirik | blinks at kd3's linux dlls |
| 20:37.37 | Semlar | i can't get mine to work and i'm pretty sure it's because VS made it.. wrong.. |
| 20:37.39 | Maldivia | why not just compile it yourself? |
| 20:37.44 | kd3 | isn't there a free version of ms visual studio? it should compile the project |
| 20:38.01 | Semlar | i think it needs an older version |
| 20:38.09 | Seerah | kkspy: any particular reason why you're using the branched version of Grid2 instead of just using Grid? |
| 20:38.25 | Semlar | either that or i just can't figure out how to use it |
| 20:38.35 | Seerah | Grid has a more recent version, is what Grid2 was originally branched from, etc. |
| 20:38.54 | Shirik | Semlar: Unless it was made for VC++6 it should work with the current version |
| 20:38.58 | Shadowed | Grid2 wasn't a branch of Grid afaik |
| 20:39.04 | Shadowed | it pretty much just shared the same name |
| 20:39.10 | Semlar | ValueError: Procedure called with not enough arguments (16 bytes missing) or wrong calling convention |
| 20:39.12 | bleeter | kkspy: nitpick: Lua (Portuguese for 'moon'), not LUA (it's not an abbreviation or initialisation) |
| 20:39.20 | Shadowed | and was a hilarious disaster |
| 20:39.26 | kkspy | bleeter: thank you. |
| 20:39.27 | Semlar | doing Storm.SFileOpenArchive(filename, 0, 0x0100, byref(self.mpq)) |
| 20:39.27 | Seerah | well... yeah, you're probably right. It was a rewrite for Ace3, no? But Grid uses Ace3 now. |
| 20:39.45 | Shadowed | I think the point was to rewrite Grid and start from scratch |
| 20:39.49 | kkspy | Seerah: I enjoy it because it is very customizable. |
| 20:39.58 | Shirik | Semlar: Do you have visual studio installed? |
| 20:39.58 | Seerah | Grid is customizable. |
| 20:40.01 | Shadowed | and get rid of the cruft that has accumulated in Grid over 4-5 years and the secure changes |
| 20:40.15 | Seerah | but I think Phanx pretty much cleaned it up after she took over |
| 20:40.15 | Semlar | shirik no i had my friend compile it |
| 20:40.22 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:40.30 | Shirik | ok go download the tool "dependency walker" |
| 20:40.32 | bleeter | Shirik: yeah, thought it'd be your area of playing ;) omeone else is telling me "papabench & paparazzi software; stm32f0 or stm32f4 chips" |
| 20:40.33 | Shirik | and open the DLL with that |
| 20:40.44 | bleeter | Shirik: so I'll check 'em out too :) |
| 20:41.13 | Seerah | kkspy: If you want to keep using Grid2, go right ahead. But Grid is the original version that most everyone uses, and you'll probably get more support from the community for it. (I can't say anything about authors, since I don't know the current maintainer of Grid2, but Phanx definitely takes care of Grid) |
| 20:41.34 | Seerah | Grid2 isn't an "upgrade" from Grid. |
| 20:41.42 | Shadowed | I don't know if Grid2 is even a real project at this point |
| 20:41.54 | Seerah | it says last update was Oct 8 |
| 20:42.02 | Shadowed | last alpha was dec 14th |
| 20:42.06 | kkspy | A: r697 for 5.1.0 Dec 14, 2012 |
| 20:42.13 | Semlar | Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found. |
| 20:42.14 | Shadowed | It looks kind of like it's a somewhat inactive project |
| 20:42.15 | Semlar | Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module. |
| 20:42.18 | Shirik | Semlar: That's fine |
| 20:42.23 | Shirik | ok so in the top left you see the dll, click on it |
| 20:42.24 | Shadowed | and I don't really know any of the people maintaining it |
| 20:42.49 | Shirik | off to the right you should see a bunch of functions. See if you can find SFileOpenArchive |
| 20:42.53 | Shirik | it should be mangled |
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| 20:43.19 | Shirik | When you find it, right click, copy function name, paste here |
| 20:43.39 | Seerah | kkspy: here's Grid if you want to compare: http://www.wowace.com/addons/grid/ |
| 20:43.45 | Semlar | it just says SFileOpenArchive |
| 20:44.57 | kkspy | Seerah: I know both projects. But I really like Grid2. |
| 20:44.58 | Semlar | nothing to indicate there's anything wrong with it |
| 20:45.09 | Shirik | bah |
| 20:45.11 | Shirik | it's a C function? |
| 20:45.12 | Semlar | so i'm probably just calling it wrong? |
| 20:45.15 | Seerah | kkspy: I already said - if you like it, then keep using it :p |
| 20:45.31 | Shirik | (it should say C or C++ on that line) |
| 20:45.36 | Semlar | C |
| 20:45.46 | Shirik | well that sucks |
| 20:45.57 | kkspy | Seerah: then I will implement it myself and share it :) |
| 20:46.03 | Stanzilla | <3 Grid2 |
| 20:46.21 | Seerah | yeah, Stanzilla here put up the last alpha |
| 20:46.29 | Semlar | sorry, i don't really know what i'm doing with this |
| 20:46.37 | Shirik | no that's fine |
| 20:46.42 | Shirik | I was hoping it would be a C++ function and have a lot more info |
| 20:46.43 | Stanzilla | that was just me fixing the index on staticpopups though |
| 20:46.49 | Semlar | i'm just trying to get python to be able to open the mpqs directly so i don't have to extract the files |
| 20:46.53 | Seerah | yeah, but you still did something :p |
| 20:46.58 | Stanzilla | :D |
| 20:47.28 | Shirik | if people would just realize C sucks, the world would be a much better place :) |
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| 20:49.20 | Shirik | Semlar: Can you dcc send me the DLL? |
| 20:50.05 | Semlar | http://semlar.com/StormLib.dll |
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| 20:53.28 | Shirik|Ghost | not sure if you got this Semlar, I got disconnected: (12:49:17) (@Shirik) Semlar: Can you dcc send me the DLL? |
| 20:53.42 | Semlar | shirik: http://semlar.com/StormLib.dll |
| 20:54.29 | Semlar | i'm probably just calling the function wrong |
| 20:55.02 | nevcairiel | figuring out the arguments of a C function without a documented interface is much fun to be had |
| 20:55.39 | nevcairiel | although you can usually read the function preamble in assembly to at least find out the argument count it expects |
| 20:55.45 | kd3 | use the source, luke |
| 20:56.00 | Semlar | i'm copying an old wrapper someone had on github but i guess it could be too dated |
| 20:56.12 | Semlar | the arguments are the same as they have on the stormlib site |
| 20:56.18 | kd3 | adys has got a storm wrapper in python if you want |
| 20:56.28 | Adys | sup |
| 20:56.39 | Adys | oh Semlar |
| 20:56.44 | Semlar | >_> |
| 20:56.46 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-storm |
| 20:57.02 | Semlar | https://github.com/Adys/StormLib ? |
| 20:57.04 | nevcairiel | this is not the web page you are looking for |
| 20:57.07 | Adys | hm |
| 20:57.08 | Adys | sec |
| 20:57.14 | Adys | no Semlar thats a mirror |
| 20:57.19 | Semlar | :< |
| 20:57.22 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-mpq |
| 20:58.26 | Semlar | erg |
| 20:58.34 | Semlar | i think i figured it out |
| 20:58.36 | Adys | ? |
| 20:58.45 | Adys | what are you even doing? |
| 20:58.53 | Semlar | the example has cdll.LoadLibrary instead of windll.LoadLibrary |
| 20:59.11 | Adys | cdll is portable |
| 20:59.16 | Semlar | apparently not that portable |
| 20:59.19 | Adys | windll is windows only |
| 20:59.30 | Semlar | it wanted a different number of argumnets |
| 20:59.31 | Adys | Semlar, what are you doing and what do you need? |
| 20:59.33 | Semlar | arguments |
| 20:59.54 | Semlar | i just want to be able to open mpq archives directly in my python script rather than extracting all the files before working with them |
| 21:00.05 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-mpq |
| 21:00.12 | nevcairiel | the big difference is the calling convention, cdll uses cdecl and windll uses stdcall |
| 21:00.34 | nevcairiel | ie most microsoft provided dlls are stdcall |
| 21:01.25 | nevcairiel | wrong calling convention = much crashes |
| 21:02.03 | Adys | Semlar: you can use that library to open, read and extract anything inside mpq files |
| 21:02.18 | Semlar | thanks adys |
| 21:02.26 | Adys | that library is native cpython btw |
| 21:05.03 | Adys | Semlar: import mpq; arc = mpq.MPQFile("Data/World.MPQ"); f = arc.read("world/3dpenis.wmo") |
| 21:05.25 | Adys | arc.extract("world/", "tmp") |
| 21:05.28 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Much fun to be had indeed! |
| 21:05.32 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-mpq/blob/master/mpq/__init__.py |
| 21:05.42 | Shirik | I would like to say that's why we invented disassemblers, but I know that not to be true :( |
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| 21:10.40 | Shirik | the function appears to have 4 arguments and uses the stdcall calling convention |
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| 21:12.05 | Shirik | thing is |
| 21:12.10 | Shirik | that doesn't match its name decoration |
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| 21:22.04 | nevcairiel | C has name decoration? |
| 21:25.43 | Fisker | b |
| 21:25.46 | End_ | yes |
| 21:26.18 | End_ | offhand, stdcall appends the number of arguments, at least with msvc |
| 21:26.29 | End_ | or is it the size |
| 21:26.32 | End_ | I forget |
| 21:26.43 | End_ | obviously it's a compiler thing |
| 21:26.44 | nevcairiel | the size in bytes, apparently |
| 21:29.13 | nevcairiel | guess it makes sense though, because the called function handles the stack in stdcall, the caller needs to know how big the stack arguments are |
| 21:29.34 | End_ | I think it's mostly a safety thing |
| 21:29.39 | nevcairiel | so that information is ratehr vital =p |
| 21:29.40 | End_ | typically your prototype will tell you |
| 21:29.45 | End_ | in your header |
| 21:30.04 | End_ | but of course if the prototype is wrong then yeah |
| 21:30.05 | nevcairiel | well yeah it helps your linker to ensure you used the right convention in your header |
| 21:30.07 | End_ | it's good to fail early |
| 21:30.18 | End_ | yeah I definitely agree with that |
| 21:31.05 | kd3 | grr |
| 21:31.27 | kd3 | I'd keep tabs on the news out of washington if it didn't piss me off every time I looked at it |
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| 21:39.33 | Semlar | adys or shirik or whoever, if i wanted to open multiple mpq files and treat them as one archive, plus patches, how can i use stormlib to merge them |
| 21:39.57 | Semlar | i see that it has SFileOpenPatchArchive but that's only for the patch files right |
| 21:40.30 | Semlar | can i keep calling SFileOpenArchive on the same handle? |
| 21:43.19 | Adys | Semlar: are you using the bindings i linked you? |
| 21:43.23 | Adys | because i added functionality for that |
| 21:43.33 | Adys | a = mpq.MPQFile() |
| 21:43.42 | Adys | a.add_archive("archive1.mpq") |
| 21:43.44 | Adys | a.add_archive("archive2.mpq") |
| 21:44.39 | Semlar | and then just call a.patch("patchfile.mpq") |
| 21:44.45 | Adys | yes |
| 21:44.53 | Semlar | i was trying to figure out how to do it directly first |
| 21:45.02 | Adys | .. look at the source? |
| 21:45.05 | Adys | its very straightforward |
| 21:45.10 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:45.22 | Adys | https://github.com/Adys/python-mpq/blob/master/mpq/stormmodule.cc |
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| 21:47.09 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: the reviews for that lens are pretty poor, actually |
| 21:54.50 | jnwhiteh | some are mixed |
| 21:54.50 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 21:54.57 | jnwhiteh | i'm sold on it otherwise |
| 22:04.16 | Humbedooh | sells jnwhiteh's lens for profit |
| 22:04.25 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 22:07.54 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh: isn't that like $600 than you wanted to pay? Or is this not the 70-300 lens |
| 22:08.20 | jnwhiteh | this is the Sigma 30mm |
| 22:09.24 | Thunder_Child | actually, i said the sigma, not Shirik. |
| 22:09.32 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 22:09.45 | Thunder_Child | but canon doesn't have a 30mm that i found |
| 22:09.48 | jnwhiteh | 19:18 Shirik: This is an extremely fast lens, if that's useful to you: http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/30mm-f14-ex-dc-hsm-sigma |
| 22:10.07 | jnwhiteh | not to call you out, but I'm only going by the conversation as I perceived it =) |
| 22:10.40 | jnwhiteh | this is in the right range |
| 22:11.08 | jnwhiteh | I've read some reviews that say the perceived focus issues are really just related to the shallow DoF at close distances |
| 22:11.40 | Thunder_Child | "[10:23:12] <Thunder_Child> although, from what i hear sigmas 30mm f/1.4 is actually better than canon's" that's what i was refering to, but it doesn't really matter |
| 22:11.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:11.59 | Thunder_Child | since canon doesn't have a 30mm, i must have been thinking of the 50's |
| 22:12.01 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 22:12.05 | jnwhiteh | I appreciate both of your feedback |
| 22:12.10 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 22:12.11 | jnwhiteh | I have the nifty fifty |
| 22:12.29 | jnwhiteh | but that's too far out for my tastes |
| 22:12.34 | jnwhiteh | I think the 30 will be a good step |
| 22:12.44 | jnwhiteh | just wanted to make sure it wasn't a lemon lens =) |
| 22:12.46 | Thunder_Child | but then both me and Shirik have full frames |
| 22:12.51 | jnwhiteh | aye |
| 22:12.53 | jnwhiteh | I'm in ghetto-land |
| 22:13.00 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Actually we both said it |
| 22:13.02 | Thunder_Child | not hardly |
| 22:13.04 | Shirik | also I think I said it first |
| 22:13.08 | Shirik | so nyah |
| 22:13.10 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 22:13.55 | Shirik | the real reason I like sigma's 30mm is because it's f/1.4 |
| 22:14.08 | Shirik | that will give you a lot of versatility |
| 22:14.20 | jnwhiteh | as long as I'm shooting something reasonably far away =) |
| 22:14.21 | jnwhiteh | i.e. 5ft+ |
| 22:14.33 | Thunder_Child | uh, I would like to point out that other than sigma, i'm not actually seeing any other 30mm primes |
| 22:14.39 | Thunder_Child | not by canon or tamoron |
| 22:14.44 | Thunder_Child | tamron* |
| 22:14.52 | jnwhiteh | no, you're ocrrect |
| 22:14.54 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 22:14.55 | jnwhiteh | its about all there is |
| 22:15.04 | Thunder_Child | or 50mm made for aps-c |
| 22:15.08 | Thunder_Child | i guess |
| 22:15.48 | jnwhiteh | 2ft at f1.4 the focus areas is less than 3/4 of an inch |
| 22:15.56 | jnwhiteh | but this'll be a fun way for me to learn more about all of this |
| 22:16.03 | jnwhiteh | and have a nice lens for general purpose shooting, which I would like. |
| 22:16.50 | jnwhiteh | ah well, I'm off to bed now. |
| 22:16.51 | jnwhiteh | <3 |
| 22:16.53 | Iriel | Is the goal a "full frame 50mm equivalent"? |
| 22:16.54 | jnwhiteh | thanks for the help! |
| 22:17.01 | jnwhiteh | Iriel: there isn't a particular goal |
| 22:17.04 | jnwhiteh | other than a christmas present for myself |
| 22:17.07 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 22:17.09 | jnwhiteh | for me |
| 22:17.13 | jnwhiteh | from tom |
| 22:17.13 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:17.20 | jnwhiteh | he bought me an EOS-M, but it.. is not up to snuff. |
| 22:17.40 | Iriel | I'm assuming your "too far out" for the 50mm is because you're using a traditional digital sized sensor? |
| 22:17.47 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 22:17.50 | jnwhiteh | so its 80mm traditional |
| 22:17.51 | Iriel | Makes sense then. |
| 22:18.00 | jnwhiteh | which is nice for some things |
| 22:18.04 | Iriel | I love my 50mm prime, but i'm also on a full frame camera |
| 22:18.06 | jnwhiteh | i can do GREAT portraits on the 50mm |
| 22:18.21 | jnwhiteh | so the 30mm seems like it will be a nice fit |
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| 22:18.29 | Iriel | But I'm Nikon not Canon so I can't help you beyond 'sounds good' 8-) |
| 22:18.35 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:18.44 | jnwhiteh | I always wonder if I shouldn't go nikon |
| 22:18.55 | jnwhiteh | but I have a fair bit of kit now |
| 22:18.56 | Iriel | Six of one, half a dozen of the other - mostly. |
| 22:19.01 | Iriel | Pick one, invest, enjoy. |
| 22:19.04 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:19.18 | Iriel | Or go both, if you can afford it |
| 22:19.22 | Shirik | I like canon's glass better |
| 22:19.29 | jnwhiteh | I probably could, but don't really want to |
| 22:19.34 | jnwhiteh | I would love to have somethign more compact but still fast |
| 22:19.44 | jnwhiteh | that's why the mirrorless was a good guess |
| 22:19.49 | jnwhiteh | but canon blew it |
| 22:19.51 | jnwhiteh | badly |
| 22:20.15 | Shirik | I'm really interested to see how this mirrorless stuff turns out |
| 22:20.21 | Thunder_Child | In time they may get better |
| 22:20.24 | jnwhiteh | its just Canon's |
| 22:20.25 | Iriel | I really need to get out more so I can justify buying more cameras 8-) |
| 22:20.28 | jnwhiteh | there is a canon versus sony |
| 22:20.30 | jnwhiteh | video on youtube |
| 22:20.33 | jnwhiteh | and its ridiculous |
| 22:20.54 | Adys | I have an mkv movie with two audio tracks (one french, one english); I want to delete the french one. any idea how? |
| 22:21.08 | Shirik | open adobe premiere |
| 22:21.09 | Stanzilla | ctrl x |
| 22:21.48 | jnwhiteh | http://youtu.be/9AHFNwo_9EM?t=1m32s |
| 22:21.56 | jnwhiteh | that shows the speed issue I was experiencing |
| 22:22.56 | jnwhiteh | the last time I had a digital camera with that long of a reload time it was due to the disposable batteries and reloading the flash. |
| 22:23.04 | Shirik | Don't care what sony does I will never buy one of their cameras :P |
| 22:23.07 | jnwhiteh | but there are several really nice mirrorless that look good |
| 22:23.16 | jnwhiteh | even those with digital viewfinders |
| 22:24.39 | Shirik | wat |
| 22:24.45 | Shirik | an earthquake got deleted |
| 22:24.52 | Shirik | how do you delete an earthquake |
| 22:24.54 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 22:24.55 | Iriel | Sensor glitch/ |
| 22:25.00 | Iriel | Test event? |
| 22:25.12 | Iriel | Manmade seismic activity? |
| 22:25.13 | mckenziemc | wrong planet? |
| 22:25.21 | jnwhiteh | goodnight all |
| 22:25.40 | Shirik | never seen that happen before |
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| 22:25.57 | Shirik | got an alert about a 3.1 quake in BC, then 5 minutes later got another alert that it was deleted |
| 22:26.19 | Shirik | wish it said why :( |
| 22:26.26 | Shirik | just curious, really |
| 22:26.30 | Iriel | Email them and ask? |
| 22:27.08 | Shirik | not THAT curious :P |
| 22:27.30 | Shirik | it did say "depth 0 km" maybe it was manmade |
| 22:27.31 | Thunder_Child | on shore or off? |
| 22:27.37 | Iriel | Where's the Shirik I used to know? |
| 22:27.51 | Thunder_Child | could have been a boat passing to close to a bouy |
| 22:28.27 | Shirik | google maps claims it's in the middle of a forest |
| 22:28.28 | Shirik | 49.368N 120.475W |
| 22:28.42 | Thunder_Child | I'm going to go with no then |
| 22:28.47 | Thunder_Child | maybe logging or some thing |
| 22:29.04 | Iriel | Could be heavy equipment near the device, or maintenance crews (or hikers!) |
| 22:29.14 | mckenziemc | deletes Shirik's memory. |
| 22:29.22 | Thunder_Child | or a bear was pooping |
| 22:29.26 | Thunder_Child | i mean, it is the woods |
| 22:29.52 | Shirik | A siesmograph can detect a bear pooping in the wood |
| 22:30.11 | Shirik | a 3.1Md poop |
| 22:30.17 | Thunder_Child | yes, but unless it's on top, i don't think it rates a 3.1 |
| 22:30.18 | Iriel | Especially if it easts heavy food, and poops from a tree |
| 22:30.55 | Adys | Shirik: I love ffmpeg |
| 22:31.34 | Adys | Shirik: for i in {01..22}; do ffmpeg -i S01E$i.mkv -map 0:0 -map 0:2 -c copy "Season 1/S01E$i.mkv"; done |
| 22:31.36 | Adys | tahdah |
| 22:32.09 | Arrowmaster | what did you just do? |
| 22:32.43 | Adys | Arrowmaster: remapped a bunch of badly dubbed mkvs to just plain english |
| 22:33.19 | Arrowmaster | you could have done that with mkvtoolnix |
| 22:33.30 | Arrowmaster | without touching the video or audio tracks |
| 22:33.37 | Adys | never heard of it, and where were you 13 minutes ago? |
| 22:34.09 | Adys | i figured there might be a more efficient way |
| 22:34.10 | Arrowmaster | working on a microSD issue |
| 22:34.11 | Adys | im all ears |
| 22:34.29 | Arrowmaster | go get mkvtoolnix |
| 22:34.33 | Arrowmaster | read the docs |
| 22:34.40 | Adys | cba, I have a plane to catch tomorrow |
| 22:34.46 | Adys | afk sleep, but thanks |
| 22:35.04 | Arrowmaster | ok, as long as you dont think ill read them for you |
| 22:41.04 | pompy | Shirik: related in a way.. http://quakewatch.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/why-are-earthquakes-being-deleted-at-yellowstone/ |
| 22:44.17 | pompy | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/false-reports-of-california-earthquakes-caused-by-russian-temblor.html |
| 23:01.08 | pompy | DVD Release Date: 01/01/1900 |
| 23:01.14 | pompy | nice job walmart.com? |
| 23:03.52 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:08.45 | Thunder_Child | They were a bit ahead of their time |
| 23:09.09 | pompy | yup |
| 23:12.25 | VIad | pompy: the russians using earthquake generating tech to destroy us cities near the water? crafty bastards... |
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| 23:46.08 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: direct stream copies aren't that bad |
| 23:58.11 | Arrowmaster | i was just pointing out the 'proper' way to do it |
| 23:59.31 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they add alternate ways of getting lesser charms in 5.2 |
| 23:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 23:59.47 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't want to keep doing dailies until the end of time |
