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| 00:31.00 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/AlLlr.jpg meow |
| 00:33.05 | Semlar | why does my cat think i'm a chair |
| 00:33.27 | zenzelezz | your cat has just about exactly the same pattern as mine |
| 00:34.22 | zenzelezz | mine has slightly darker browns, and the middle strip on the back is black |
| 00:34.28 | End_ | because you're warm |
| 00:34.29 | zenzelezz | but other than that, same lines, colors |
| 00:35.15 | Semlar | cat bros |
| 00:39.00 | chiel | hey guys |
| 00:39.14 | chiel | i'm trying to draw a box with a solid border and a somewhat transparent background |
| 00:39.53 | chiel | i know i'm supposed to use frame:SetBackdrop with a bgFile and edgeFile, but I have no idea how those textures are supposed to look |
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| 00:41.02 | zenzelezz | if I remember correctly, bgfile is just any image, no restrictions other than for normal textures |
| 00:41.15 | chiel | right cool, that's great |
| 00:41.16 | Benalish | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=324518#post324518 anyone can help me? |
| 00:41.22 | chiel | i guess i need to fiddle around with insets in that case |
| 00:41.31 | chiel | cause i have a texture which is just transparent |
| 00:42.44 | chiel | no idea how the hell this works lol :D |
| 00:44.21 | Semlar | benalish i've seen addons remind you about rogue poisons and shaman weapon buffs so it's definitely possible |
| 00:44.58 | Semlar | don't they show up as buffs on the player or are you trying to get something else |
| 00:45.32 | chiel | meh.. it's not working :( |
| 00:45.44 | chiel | i guess i need to make a texture with a blank center |
| 00:45.49 | chiel | and just a border or some shit |
| 00:45.50 | chiel | : |
| 00:45.51 | chiel | :/ |
| 00:45.58 | Semlar | oh i missed your question |
| 00:46.23 | chiel | np :p |
| 00:46.29 | chiel | just trying to figure out how these textures work |
| 00:46.50 | chiel | but i'm guessing border textures always have a blank center or so. |
| 00:47.01 | Semlar | frame:SetBackdrop({bgFile='interface/buttons/white8x8',edgeFile='interface/buttons/white8x8'}) |
| 00:47.28 | chiel | oh, is that just a straight up solid border or? |
| 00:47.32 | Semlar | frame:SetBackdropBorderColor(0,0,0) |
| 00:47.39 | Semlar | frame:SetBackdropColor(0,0,0,0.5) or something |
| 00:48.10 | Semlar | it's just a white square |
| 00:48.15 | chiel | hm, ideal |
| 00:48.16 | Semlar | i use it for things like this |
| 00:48.21 | chiel | nice :) |
| 00:48.29 | chiel | does it not matter capitalising dir names and such? |
| 00:48.33 | Semlar | no |
| 00:48.36 | chiel | cool |
| 00:48.37 | Xandr | nah, the edgefile is like 128x16 with basically 8 segments. first 16x16 is top, then bottom, left, right, topleft corner, topright, bottomleft, bottomright |
| 00:48.39 | zenzelezz | edgefile is more special |
| 00:48.49 | zenzelezz | like Xandr said |
| 00:49.08 | chiel | so is the white8x8 thing usable as an edgefile in that case? |
| 00:49.15 | Semlar | yep |
| 00:49.21 | Xandr | top and bottom are rotated 90 degrees tho. never understood why, but it works :) |
| 00:49.23 | Semlar | it doesn't matter because it's just a solid color |
| 00:49.33 | zenzelezz | Xandr: yeah, that's messed me up so bad many times |
| 00:49.49 | Semlar | even if it tried to split up the image and rotate it, it would still look the same |
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| 00:50.13 | Semlar | you can use a real border file if you want |
| 00:50.19 | chiel | nah |
| 00:50.29 | chiel | that's just the thing, i have a "blank" texture myself as well that i've been using |
| 00:50.29 | Semlar | oh i forgot to put in the edgeSize too |
| 00:50.41 | chiel | but i couldn't get it to set the background to nothing, basically |
| 00:50.46 | Semlar | just add like edgeSize=2 to the backdrop table |
| 00:50.51 | Xandr | http://xandr.co.uk/Border.png |
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| 00:51.01 | chiel | hm |
| 00:51.04 | chiel | interesting |
| 00:51.07 | Semlar | if you don't want a background at all you can just leave bgFile out |
| 00:51.14 | Xandr | that's how mine looks. |
| 00:51.46 | chiel | oh sweet it works now |
| 00:51.50 | chiel | awesome, thanks guys :) |
| 00:52.02 | chiel | i'm curious why it did not work with my texture though |
| 00:52.08 | chiel | potentially cause it's larger? |
| 00:52.15 | Semlar | it has to be very specific dimensions |
| 00:52.26 | Semlar | because it slices it up and puts the parts in different places |
| 00:52.34 | chiel | hm yeah |
| 00:52.39 | chiel | the one i have is 64x64 |
| 00:52.42 | chiel | i guess that explains it |
| 00:53.02 | Xandr | yeah, that won't work. width needs to be height x 8 |
| 00:53.22 | chiel | fair enough :) |
| 00:53.26 | chiel | well, got this working now |
| 00:53.26 | chiel | \o/ |
| 00:53.28 | chiel | splendid |
| 00:53.38 | chiel | trying to make some frames to display my chi properly. |
| 01:04.59 | Benalish | http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=324518#post324518 anyone can help me? |
| 01:06.00 | Semlar | well, i responded the last time you asked that |
| 01:06.54 | Benalish | eh |
| 01:07.32 | Semlar | you said that 25 minutes ago, i asked you a question and never got a response |
| 01:07.43 | Benalish | You said that there are only addon that I do what I want:P |
| 01:08.00 | Semlar | i asked you what enchant you were trying to get |
| 01:08.16 | Benalish | like earthiliving |
| 01:08.20 | Semlar | shaman buffs |
| 01:08.20 | Benalish | flametingue |
| 01:08.25 | Benalish | yup |
| 01:08.34 | Semlar | do they show up as buffs on the player |
| 01:08.35 | Benalish | ora rogue poison |
| 01:09.55 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19391-BuffReminder.html this must be able to detect it |
| 01:17.17 | chiel | in lua, in a for loop... is there a way to "continue" to the next iteration? |
| 01:18.01 | Semlar | you can put it in an if statement |
| 01:18.28 | chiel | yeah, i want to do "if bla then continue end" basically, like you can do in other languages |
| 01:18.35 | Semlar | i mean |
| 01:18.37 | chiel | i find it cleaner since it removes an indent level :) |
| 01:18.47 | chiel | yeah i know what you mean, was just hoping to avoid that, hehe |
| 01:18.52 | Semlar | i don't think you can |
| 01:19.20 | chiel | sad times :) |
| 01:19.29 | chiel | oh well, wrap loop in if statement it is! :D |
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| 01:29.14 | mikma | benalish: are you sure about that api? |
| 01:30.53 | mikma | benalish: |
| 01:30.53 | mikma | hasMainHandEnchant, mainHandExpiration, mainHandCharges, hasOffHandEnchant, offHandExpiration, offHandCharges = GetWeaponEnchantInfo() |
| 01:31.29 | mikma | benalish: if hasMainHandEnchant then UnitAura("player",x) ... |
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| 01:34.12 | kd3 | Woman dies of flu-like symptoms whilst travelling via crowded passenger train. It begins [Sick] |
| 01:34.23 | mikma | uh oh |
| 01:34.25 | kd3 | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/12/29/can-via-rail-train-flu-death.html |
| 01:34.28 | mikma | umbrella corporation |
| 01:36.02 | kd3 | in other news, I'm so glad my years of gaming prevented this from happening to me: http://i.imgur.com/cmD6x.jpg |
| 01:37.14 | mikma | proud mom and dad? |
| 01:37.30 | kd3 | it's more fun to embarass your kid than flip out at him for stuff like that |
| 01:37.40 | mikma | or do you mean that just because you are a huge nerd, you don't have a kid yet |
| 01:38.06 | Cairenn|afk | Arrowmaster: awwww, poor silly kitty |
| 01:38.15 | kd3 | I poked my father and he said "yeah, <kd3>, I'd do the same thing if you backed into our mailbox on your first time behind the wheel" |
| 01:39.53 | Mr_Rabies | <kd3> in other news, I'm so glad my years of gaming prevented this from happening to me: http://i.imgur.com/cmD6x.jpg |
| 01:40.06 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i had no problems learning how to drive mostly because of gaming |
| 01:40.32 | Mr_Rabies | i never even did the STOP GO STOP GO thing some people do |
| 01:40.57 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, manual would be different |
| 01:41.01 | Mr_Rabies | but i think i could manage |
| 01:41.04 | mikma | kd3: http://apina.biz/92719.jpg |
| 01:41.47 | kd3 | heh. the "random" images beneath that one fit perfectly -- all nsfw >.> |
| 01:42.41 | mikma | aye, that's why i linked the direct image, not the link from the site |
| 01:43.09 | mikma | oh, sorry, there was small pics down there :DDD |
| 01:43.19 | mikma | didn't see them on my laptop's monitor xD |
| 01:43.34 | mikma | (resolution is so small that the page cannot be displayed in full) |
| 01:43.56 | mikma | but for me, none of the, are nsfw... hehe |
| 01:45.25 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HjKv4.gif mm i've almost figured it out |
| 01:47.40 | mikma | what is this sorcery |
| 01:47.48 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/NPqKj.jpg |
| 01:48.03 | Semlar | it's still missing some things |
| 01:48.54 | Semlar | well you know how i made the database of pois and areas |
| 01:49.09 | Semlar | i'm trying to do the same thing for objects |
| 01:49.10 | mikma | no i don't, i thought it was black magic |
| 01:49.12 | Mr_Rabies | semlar where's thunder bluff |
| 01:49.17 | Semlar | WHICH ONE |
| 01:49.23 | Mr_Rabies | one of the five |
| 01:49.24 | mikma | you know, calling the lucifer etc |
| 01:49.26 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/EE053.jpg |
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| 01:49.38 | Mr_Rabies | i love that pic so much |
| 01:49.41 | Semlar | i may have sacrificed a goat at some point |
| 01:50.06 | Semlar | i don't know this one is pretty good http://i.imgur.com/xygpA.jpg |
| 01:50.17 | mikma | that's so awesome |
| 01:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | that one too |
| 01:50.31 | mikma | "it should be in there somewhere" |
| 01:50.41 | Semlar | i can't even see the zones to know what i'm clicking on |
| 01:51.38 | mikma | semlar: i'm seeing intereshinh blue spots around my map sometimes :D |
| 01:51.55 | mikma | semlar: they usually go away after i do /find someplace and click it |
| 01:51.56 | Semlar | oh? |
| 01:51.58 | VIad | hi Seml |
| 01:52.00 | VIad | semlar |
| 01:52.03 | Semlar | sup |
| 01:52.06 | mikma | well, go away = moves to the correct spot |
| 01:52.13 | VIad | did you map all subzones? |
| 01:52.22 | Semlar | yeah i did sort of |
| 01:52.34 | Semlar | it's a work in progress |
| 01:52.38 | VIad | Mr_Rabies: lol my friend came over and wanted to watch a movie :P and eat food |
| 01:52.50 | mikma | bad friend |
| 01:53.21 | mikma | porn and cream in spraycan |
| 01:53.28 | Semlar | there is like zero information on what i'm trying to do with the objects so i don't have much to go on |
| 01:54.05 | Semlar | i think i've figured it out though |
| 01:54.37 | Semlar | objects can either be by themselves or contain more objects and that's what was throwing me off |
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| 01:55.28 | mikma | semlar: sounds like a horrible job. i would have just went through the poi's the game provided by hand and add them in db ;D |
| 01:55.46 | Semlar | well, i did get the regular pois already |
| 01:55.55 | Semlar | but i wanted to try and get these too |
| 01:56.06 | mikma | the db is going to be huge |
| 01:56.22 | Semlar | it's still using less memory than recount |
| 01:56.39 | Semlar | and i could remove a TON of points that refer to the same spot |
| 01:57.01 | mikma | the great sea |
| 01:57.03 | Semlar | there are so many duplicates in the table |
| 01:57.15 | Semlar | and stuff that really doesn't need to be there |
| 01:57.44 | Semlar | it takes 8 minutes for my script to run though |
| 01:57.57 | Semlar | that is really slow |
| 01:58.24 | mikma | have fun, sleepytiem |
| 01:58.31 | Semlar | I WILL DO NO SUCH THING |
| 02:00.14 | Benalish | Semlar |
| 02:00.32 | Semlar | what's up |
| 02:00.48 | Benalish | take a look: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/BuffFrame.lua |
| 02:01.14 | Benalish | temporary wpn enchant are in a separated frame from "normal" buffs |
| 02:01.51 | Semlar | that should simplify things |
| 02:02.14 | foxlit | You get no info unless you manage to steal it from a tooltip. |
| 02:02.53 | Semlar | really? doesn't it tell you what buff is on what hand when you hover over the buff icon |
| 02:03.56 | foxlit | no. |
| 02:04.10 | foxlit | It shows you the inventory item tooltip for the appropriate slot. |
| 02:05.04 | Benalish | hoe can I retrieve information from a tooltip? there is a specific API? |
| 02:05.17 | Semlar | no |
| 02:05.26 | Semlar | you have to read the font strings in the tooltip |
| 02:06.05 | Semlar | but it should only matter if you need to know exactly which weapon the buff is on |
| 02:06.16 | Semlar | since.. they should still be buffs on the player |
| 02:06.25 | foxlit | no. |
| 02:07.13 | foxlit | you might notice related effects when they occur, but there's no permanent aura indicating that you have some weapon buff. |
| 02:08.08 | Semlar | i linked to an addon earlier that tells you when you don't have a certain weapon enchant active and they don't use tooltip scanning so |
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| 02:08.37 | Semlar | they specifically have the spell ids in there |
| 02:08.54 | Semlar | Spell.WindfuryWeapon = GetSpellInfo(8232) |
| 02:09.21 | Benalish | buff reminder tell you only if the tmp ench is present, not *wich* enchant |
| 02:09.24 | foxlit | I |
| 02:09.25 | VIad | yiou have to tooltipscan if you wish to know what enchant you got |
| 02:09.42 | VIad | you have to tooltip scan :P* |
| 02:09.55 | foxlit | 'll let you figure out why that's not as relevant as you think it is on your own. |
| 02:10.12 | Benalish | :P |
| 02:10.13 | Semlar | i don't really care |
| 02:10.14 | Benalish | tooltip scan? |
| 02:10.31 | Semlar | i don't have any characters i could even test this on |
| 02:10.48 | VIad | sorry :( |
| 02:11.26 | Benalish | http://wowprogramming.com/snippets/Scan_a_tooltip_15 |
| 02:12.18 | Benalish | f:SetUnitBuff('player', 1) |
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| 02:12.32 | Benalish | to scan mainhand? |
| 02:12.36 | Semlar | it should be set to the inventory item i presume |
| 02:12.54 | Semlar | :SetInventoryItem("player", id) |
| 02:13.51 | VIad | but I thought he wanted to know what enchant he has :P |
| 02:14.37 | Semlar | 16, 17, 18 are main hand offhand and ranged i think |
| 02:15.55 | Semlar | foxlit just said it wasn't a buff vlad |
| 02:16.03 | VIad | it's not |
| 02:16.05 | Semlar | it just sets the tooltip to the item |
| 02:16.11 | VIad | I know |
| 02:16.15 | Semlar | so that would be the tooltip to scan |
| 02:16.19 | VIad | but if you wish to know WHAT buff it is |
| 02:16.27 | VIad | you need a localized list of all temp enchants and tooltip scan |
| 02:16.28 | VIad | :D |
| 02:16.40 | VIad | if you only wanna make a button show your temp enchant, that's easy peacy |
| 02:17.32 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can use the spell name if it's in your spellbook.. |
| 02:17.45 | VIad | it's a bit more complicated |
| 02:17.48 | Semlar | does the enchant not have the same name |
| 02:18.07 | VIad | I think they didn't |
| 02:18.23 | VIad | the spell name that you cast and the line of text had different strings, if I recall correctly |
| 02:18.28 | Benalish | (03:16)(VIad) if you only wanna make a button show your temp enchant, that's easy peacy |
| 02:18.31 | Benalish | ^this |
| 02:18.32 | Benalish | ;D |
| 02:18.40 | VIad | remember to use secure template mate |
| 02:18.48 | VIad | if you wish to make it so you can cancel it too |
| 02:19.14 | Semlar | but but there's already buttons for this |
| 02:19.36 | VIad | if you wanna make it to have a specific style |
| 02:19.44 | Semlar | why not just repurpose them |
| 02:19.59 | VIad | taint probably |
| 02:20.10 | VIad | I recall issues when repurposing buff stuff |
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| 02:22.56 | VIad | Semlar: do you have a girl or boy? |
| 02:23.12 | Semlar | cat? |
| 02:23.18 | VIad | child |
| 02:23.23 | Semlar | i don't have kids |
| 02:23.37 | VIad | aha, ok |
| 02:23.49 | VIad | just curious what others think on the whole "when should kids get cellphones" mater :P |
| 02:23.55 | VIad | matter* |
| 02:24.03 | VIad | I wonder if I am too strict |
| 02:24.08 | Semlar | when they can pay for it themselves |
| 02:24.22 | Gnarfoz | you don't even have friends, how can you have children |
| 02:24.28 | Semlar | exactly! |
| 02:24.30 | Cairenn|afk | Depends on the purpose for it |
| 02:24.47 | Cairenn|afk | and the maturity level of the dependent |
| 02:24.53 | Gnarfoz | (and if you don't... why do you care :D) |
| 02:24.58 | VIad | my brother has a girl |
| 02:25.15 | VIad | why do you care why I care? :P |
| 02:25.30 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/AlLlr.jpg this is my dependent |
| 02:25.38 | VIad | aww |
| 02:25.39 | VIad | kitty |
| 02:27.39 | VIad | I asked for girl, because what about makeup? |
| 02:28.42 | VIad | I personally think of the moral implications, like, wear makeup because you are not good enough? yeah... teach that to kids :P |
| 02:29.17 | Mr_Rabies | get that cat a cellphone |
| 02:29.30 | Semlar | he doesn't need one |
| 02:29.33 | Semlar | who's he gonna call |
| 02:29.39 | VIad | ghost busters |
| 02:29.47 | Cairenn|afk | How about "wear a (minimal) amount of make up to accentuate your natural beauty" |
| 02:30.21 | VIad | is a girl at the age of 10 capable to know what natural beauty is? |
| 02:30.36 | VIad | didn't start to think about my looks until I was like 15ish :P |
| 02:31.03 | VIad | makeup at young age I guess is more a social thing, because the others use it I should too -thingy |
| 02:31.18 | VIad | same with cellphones or other materialistic things |
| 02:31.25 | Cairenn|afk | back to "depends on the purpose, the maturity level of the dependent, what they've been taught about when and why and how to use make up, etc" |
| 02:31.27 | VIad | some kids compare too much |
| 02:31.33 | VIad | yeah |
| 02:31.56 | Cairenn|afk | there's no set age on any of these types of things, imo |
| 02:32.10 | Cairenn|afk | it should be individual-specific |
| 02:32.39 | VIad | when comparing I feel the age gets lower and lower |
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| 02:35.47 | VIad | I feared when I grow up, that everyone younger than me would be able to do what I do; routers, computers, electronic stuff. but lickily everyone prefers slick UI and doing as little as possible, like Mac, iOS stuff, so this means I still get to have a job lol |
| 02:37.33 | VIad | you never had the feeling that you know more than your parents? |
| 02:38.08 | VIad | i.e. I felt my kids would know more than me, i.e. other peoples kids would know more about me about all this hardware stuff :p |
| 02:38.18 | Semlar | maybe |
| 02:38.42 | Semlar | but there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom |
| 02:39.39 | VIad | true dat |
| 02:41.10 | VIad | how can I scale my wisdom? |
| 02:41.17 | Semlar | experience |
| 02:42.46 | VIad | I mean how can I scale and check my wisdom levels? :P |
| 02:43.02 | VIad | and who do you consider eligible to be able to scale your wisdom in that case? |
| 02:47.48 | VIad | when you say "wise person" what criteria must be met? :P |
| 02:47.55 | VIad | I know, I am asking weird questions. |
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| 02:48.23 | Semlar | you want a specific measurement of wisdom? |
| 02:49.18 | VIad | sounds like a very relative kind of thing |
| 02:49.29 | VIad | same with saying "you are an idiot" - very subjective |
| 03:21.04 | Semlar | vlad these aren't exactly the names i was looking for http://i.imgur.com/ZGqDa.gif |
| 03:21.32 | VIad | PVPpuppyleft |
| 03:21.37 | Semlar | >_> |
| 03:21.55 | VIad | antiportal |
| 03:21.59 | Semlar | these appear to be internal names for the objects |
| 03:22.03 | VIad | yes |
| 03:22.25 | VIad | torenpolelarge |
| 03:22.30 | VIad | many names make no sense |
| 03:22.35 | VIad | like the PVPpuppy :P |
| 03:22.45 | Semlar | makes sense to me |
| 03:22.56 | VIad | what's a pvp puppy left/right? |
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| 03:23.20 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.48 | Semlar | it's a setting in the menu somewhere |
| 03:24.01 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.04 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:24.28 | Semlar | combat |
| 03:24.34 | Semlar | cast action keybinds on key down |
| 03:24.57 | VIad | it's there idd |
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| 03:25.08 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.17 | karl_w_w | http://i.imgur.com/X3rZp.jpg |
| 03:26.19 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:27.05 | Semlar | no they just put it under combat because it deals with casting |
| 03:27.16 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:27.32 | Semlar | yes |
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| 03:34.48 | VIad | I can't believe people google for "ps2 emulator for android" xD |
| 03:47.19 | Semlar | uh oh |
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| 03:51.55 | kd3 | ! |
| 03:52.07 | kd3 | a blood clot? |
| 03:52.16 | kd3 | http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/30/politics/hillary-clinton-hospitalized/%3Fhpt%3Dhp_t1 |
| 03:54.53 | Seerah | they said from a concussion earlier in the month - maybe from when she fainted? |
| 03:55.32 | Mr_Rabies | yeah she got a concussion then |
| 04:00.22 | VIad | at some point everyone I know off will die |
| 04:00.26 | VIad | sad but, that's life :P |
| 04:00.39 | VIad | I still got movies with my favorite actors as memories tough |
| 04:10.01 | VIad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7is6r6zXFDc :D |
| 05:08.13 | Arrowmaster | it seems twinkie jokes = karma |
| 05:10.47 | Arrowmaster | and who the fuck would vote for dota2 on the community choice? |
| 05:11.12 | Arrowmaster | everybody already has it |
| 05:14.41 | pompy | Arrowmaster: that early access thing costs dough. |
| 05:14.56 | pompy | $30 |
| 05:16.58 | Arrowmaster | but everybody that plays keeps getting free copies to gift to other people |
| 05:25.11 | Mr_Rabies | moba games need some serious overhauls for anyone other than the current playerbase to play them |
| 05:25.29 | Stanzilla | current playerbase is big enough for them to leave it as it is D |
| 05:25.40 | Mr_Rabies | dota2 doesn't provide any of those, unfortunately, it's literally just dota as a game instead of a mod |
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| 05:54.34 | Adys | is there a way with ext4/linux to run a script whenever a file is opened? |
| 05:54.41 | Adys | a specific file that is |
| 05:55.10 | Adys | that's to give it a special behaviour, like /dev/random for example |
| 05:55.42 | kd3 | something like inotify? |
| 05:55.54 | Adys | uh, no |
| 05:56.56 | Shirik | in Windows? |
| 05:56.58 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:57.06 | Adys | ok say for example i want to create /home/adys/random_number |
| 05:57.35 | Adys | whenever i open() the file and read it fully, it'll output the result of, say, random.randint(1, 10) |
| 05:57.55 | Shirik | I think you would need to make a device driver |
| 05:58.11 | Adys | how? |
| 05:58.25 | Shirik | write driver code? |
| 05:58.44 | Adys | that has to be compiled into the kernel or a module right? |
| 05:58.54 | End_ | maybe making a fifo might do what you want |
| 05:59.08 | Shirik | yes Adys |
| 06:00.18 | Adys | not sure about that End_ |
| 06:00.35 | kd3 | oh, duh. a fifo. yeah, look at mkfifo(3), open it for writing, then let some other process open it for reading? |
| 06:00.38 | Shirik | not sure you can implement /dev/urandom as a fifo |
| 06:00.43 | Shirik | (using the given example) |
| 06:01.01 | Shirik | how would you know when to write to it? |
| 06:01.06 | Shirik | or can a fifo have blocking writes |
| 06:01.27 | End_ | I'm not really certain |
| 06:01.34 | End_ | it sounds like maybe under Linux |
| 06:01.42 | End_ | but it's not a normal POSIX behavior? |
| 06:01.53 | Dagmar | Fifos block when full under Linux. |
| 06:02.04 | End_ | I've never really touched fifos much |
| 06:02.19 | Adys | Ok, the actual behaviour i want |
| 06:02.26 | Adys | I have a text file in /home/adys/.local/data |
| 06:02.49 | Adys | I want to create a file that will output a random line in that file whenever it's read() |
| 06:02.58 | Dagmar | They work just like firing data back and forth through a u-bend. |
| 06:03.18 | Shirik | why a u-bend o.O |
| 06:03.34 | kd3 | you could (and should) call it a named pipe |
| 06:03.37 | kd3 | >.> |
| 06:03.43 | Dagmar | Data goes away and comes back to you. |
| 06:04.01 | Dagmar | I find it easier to think of it as a u-bend. |
| 06:04.01 | Shirik | it only comes back to you if you read it |
| 06:04.13 | Dagmar | Yes. If you don't read it, it backs up. |
| 06:04.23 | Shirik | well I guess in my mental picture "someone else" is reading it |
| 06:04.28 | End_ | I dunno, sounds like it might be sufficient for your purposes |
| 06:04.37 | Adys | Well |
| 06:04.47 | Shirik | End_: I return to "how do you know when to write to it?" |
| 06:05.01 | Shirik | you can't rely on the blocking behavior anymore unless each line is the same size |
| 06:05.07 | End_ | hm |
| 06:05.18 | Adys | I want to use that file/pipe as my /etc/motd |
| 06:05.20 | Shirik | I guess you kinda could but it's not really fail-safe |
| 06:05.30 | Adys | wonder if it'll even work properly |
| 06:06.49 | Dagmar | It would work, as long as you've got something *writing* to that /etc/motd at all times. So... not very well. |
| 06:07.21 | kd3 | why not use fortune and give it a list of whatever you want displayed? |
| 06:07.22 | Adys | yeah no good |
| 06:07.30 | Shirik | well let's say some high priority thread comes along and eats up all lines; the last line could be a half-line |
| 06:07.37 | Adys | because im already doing that kd3 |
| 06:07.43 | Adys | im just curious on alternatives |
| 06:07.44 | Shirik | there is no chance for the producer thread to fill it back up |
| 06:07.49 | Adys | this is something i looked at ages ago |
| 06:07.53 | Shirik | unless you have some delimiter that it knows to block on, I guess |
| 06:08.02 | Shirik | but at this point we're just reimplementing message passing |
| 06:08.55 | End_ | more than one reader definitely seems like what might get you in trouble |
| 06:09.01 | End_ | my dirty test works |
| 06:09.05 | End_ | but... |
| 06:09.10 | End_ | I don't really recommend it |
| 06:09.45 | End_ | also I messed up my increment...it's supposed to print the next higher number each time a read occurs, but instead it appends "+1" to the last string |
| 06:09.48 | End_ | (whoops) |
| 06:10.17 | End_ | huh |
| 06:10.50 | End_ | oh I didn't reset the counter variable in my second test |
| 06:16.58 | karl_w_w | how can you maximise view distance other than just turning view distance up? |
| 06:17.13 | karl_w_w | like can you turn down haze or something from weather? |
| 06:21.08 | Shirik | turn off LoD maybe |
| 06:21.21 | Shirik | that might just clip sooner though |
| 06:21.42 | Adys | karl_w_w: you can't |
| 06:21.52 | Adys | if you insist you could just get rid of the shader for it |
| 06:23.15 | karl_w_w | im trying to get a nice screenshot of something in the distance you see |
| 06:29.39 | karl_w_w | haha you can turn off rendering of your player |
| 06:29.43 | karl_w_w | didn't know that |
| 06:33.48 | Semlar | get closer |
| 06:34.05 | karl_w_w | I can't I want something else in the foreground :P |
| 06:34.42 | Semlar | well i'm out of ideas |
| 06:35.28 | karl_w_w | farclip is set to 1300 yards and the thing is 700 yards away |
| 06:35.33 | karl_w_w | so it's a bit annoying |
| 06:36.07 | Semlar | http://inside.mines.edu/~gmurray/ArbitraryAxisRotation/ArbitraryAxisRotation11x.png hmm.. |
| 06:38.23 | Semlar | well that's enough of that |
| 06:38.59 | karl_w_w | needs more algebra |
| 06:39.18 | Shirik | needs less algebra |
| 06:39.24 | Shirik | needs more quaternions |
| 06:39.36 | Kaylin | needs more matricies |
| 06:39.46 | Shirik | no |
| 06:39.47 | Shirik | matrices are bad |
| 06:39.49 | Shirik | quaternions are win |
| 06:40.20 | Semlar | http://imgix.8tracks.com/mix_covers/000/931/194/85370.original.jpg |
| 06:40.26 | Kaylin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix |
| 06:40.27 | Shirik | though to be fair I guess quaternions are technically algebra |
| 06:40.43 | Shirik | Kaylin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbal_lock |
| 06:40.57 | Semlar | oh god make it stop |
| 06:46.51 | Shirik | here Semlar |
| 06:46.57 | Shirik | Isn't this so much clearer? http://ars.sciencedirect.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0094114X0500100X-si13.gif |
| 06:46.59 | Semlar | i need a lua function to rotate x,y,z about an arbitrary axis |
| 06:47.18 | Shirik | will there only ever be one rotation? |
| 06:47.38 | Semlar | actually it doesn't have to be lua |
| 06:47.51 | Semlar | i'm doing this in python |
| 06:48.17 | Shirik | is it just a single rotation and done, or do you need to do a series of rotations? |
| 06:48.22 | Mr_Rabies | it's eerie sometimes how much blizzard ends up coming to the same conclusions as me on gameplay stuff |
| 06:48.26 | Mr_Rabies | i guess maybe it's obvious stuff |
| 06:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | Looking back to pre-BC, would you make the decision to add flying mounts again if you had the choice? |
| 06:48.36 | Mr_Rabies | Personally, no, but they are pretty cool. Convenience is fun, but I don't like that they make the world so safe. |
| 06:48.39 | Semlar | i have no idea, so far there's only bee one axis that's needed to be rotated |
| 06:48.50 | Mr_Rabies | this is exactly how i feel |
| 06:48.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather them never have been introduced |
| 06:49.47 | Semlar | okay basically they have a rotation in degrees of the model for an in-game object |
| 06:50.04 | Semlar | i've only observed them being rotated horizontally |
| 06:50.13 | Semlar | but i'm assuming they can rotate in all 3 dimensions |
| 06:50.34 | Semlar | they have 3 floats for it |
| 06:51.14 | Semlar | and i have some points with coordinates relative to the center of the model.. that need to be rotated about that point |
| 06:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | i see maybe flying mounts returning to a 3 second cast in the future |
| 06:51.44 | Mr_Rabies | it would be unpopular as heck |
| 06:52.12 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 06:52.35 | Mr_Rabies | that makes druid flight form stronger, and that should remain instant cast |
| 06:52.41 | Semlar | actually due to how inconsistent blizzard is with all of this i'm not entirely sure what order the x,y,z coordinates are in |
| 06:52.59 | Mr_Rabies | maybe make flight ramp up speed |
| 06:53.05 | Semlar | it appears to be something like x,z,-y |
| 06:53.22 | Mr_Rabies | start at like 50% faster and work up to the max |
| 06:54.03 | Semlar | i think druids should just be able to instantly teleport to wherever they want to go |
| 06:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | that sounds about right semlar, but i can't remember. i do remember z being either x or y in a sane person's coordinate system, and x or y being elevation |
| 06:54.34 | Shirik | Semlar, the reason I'm asking is because you can take the shortcuut Kaylin was talking about if you guarantee that you'll only ever do one rotation |
| 06:55.00 | Semlar | why can it only be rotated once |
| 06:55.35 | Shirik | under the right set of conditions you will rotate your axes on top of each other and result in something that cannot be rotated in a particular direction |
| 06:56.04 | karl_w_w | unlocks Shirik's gimbal |
| 06:56.22 | Semlar | i see |
| 06:56.52 | Semlar | well i can't see any harm in assuming these can only ever be rotated on one axis |
| 06:57.45 | Shirik | then just use matrix multiplication |
| 06:58.10 | Shirik | [x,y,z,1] * T where T is your transform matrix |
| 06:58.55 | Semlar | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Rotation_decomposition.png are these diagrams supposed to help |
| 06:58.58 | Shirik | what you really can do is actually [x,y,z,1] * Tx * Ty * Tz |
| 06:59.02 | Shirik | which may make more sense |
| 06:59.07 | Shirik | no |
| 06:59.39 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotation_matrix#Basic_rotations |
| 06:59.49 | Shirik | those are your three axes' rotation matrices |
| 07:00.01 | Shirik | just multiply your coordinate by those |
| 07:00.05 | Semlar | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Cat_fall_150x300_6fps.gif ah here we go |
| 07:00.16 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:00.37 | Semlar | ..what |
| 07:00.45 | Shirik | what is this picture |
| 07:00.50 | Mr_Rabies | that is amazing |
| 07:00.51 | Shirik | and who created it |
| 07:01.02 | Semlar | it's my favorite gif on wikipedia |
| 07:01.10 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_righting_reflex |
| 07:02.12 | Semlar | However, it has been argued that, after having reached terminal velocity, cats would orient their limbs horizontally such that their body hits the ground first.[7] |
| 07:02.40 | Semlar | i wonder how they figured that out |
| 07:04.17 | Semlar | In a study performed in 1987 it was reported that cats who fall from less than six stories, and are still alive, have greater injuries than cats who fall from higher than six stories |
| 07:21.35 | karl_w_w | does wow take 32 bit color depth screenshots or 24? |
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| 07:27.33 | karl_w_w | 24 I think |
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| 08:09.54 | aksr | hi to all, is it possible to disable player names when selected? |
| 08:27.41 | zenzelezz | not sure I understand what you mean. When what is selected? |
| 08:42.27 | Adys | Ackis: do you know of a way to get all achievements completed on the account but not on the character? |
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| 09:58.09 | karl_w_w | "Mr Quigley is choosing rockets to launch satellites into space and working towards the target of having the NBN pass 286,000 homes by June." |
| 09:58.23 | karl_w_w | I didn't realise there was some other way of getting satellites into orbit |
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| 10:45.37 | Adys | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/world/asia/youtube-ban-lifted-in-pakistan-for-3-minutes.html?_r=0 |
| 10:45.38 | Adys | lmao |
| 11:07.26 | cbreak | all of 3 minutes? How generous. |
| 11:08.10 | Fisker | haters gonna hate |
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| 11:08.27 | cbreak | all because they have a weakling as religious role model that can't even defend against some disagreement himself... |
| 11:09.23 | bluipodcow | New Years in NZ |
| 11:09.49 | bluipodcow | we've broken out the vinyl records :3 |
| 11:12.29 | Fisker | bluipodcow |
| 11:12.55 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.58 | Fisker | no |
| 11:13.05 | Fisker | cease and desist |
| 11:13.14 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.21 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.25 | Ackis | bluipodcow: you're a year ahead of us now? |
| 11:17.27 | Ackis | dirty bastard |
| 11:17.50 | bluipodcow | Oh yeah baby |
| 11:17.57 | bluipodcow | It's a foot long too |
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| 11:32.09 | karl_w_w | you have a foot long baby, bluipodcow? |
| 11:36.58 | bluipodcow | Radish! |
| 11:37.09 | karl_w_w | a foot long radish? :O |
| 11:37.28 | karl_w_w | that's impressive, might make it into the guiness book of records |
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| 11:38.12 | karl_w_w | nope, google tells me there are much larger |
| 11:43.10 | bluipodcow | I love how you think my junk is so much larger |
| 11:44.58 | karl_w_w | I naturally recognise an inverse correlation between personality and radish size |
| 11:48.32 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy New Year! |
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| 13:47.49 | karl_w_w | julian assange is very assangry over his situation |
| 13:55.17 | kullervo | I think it's a bit redundant to mention some channel is logged |
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| 13:59.00 | karl_w_w | apparently some people are anally retentive about it |
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| 14:10.07 | mckenziemc | eyes karl_w_w suspiciously |
| 14:16.33 | karl_w_w | I would appreciate it if you wouldn't undress me with your eyes |
| 14:20.13 | foxlit | kullervo: freenode policy is that you *must* notify people if you're making public logs of chat channels available. |
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| 14:30.53 | mikma | foxlit: oh sure, that changes things completely |
| 14:32.54 | Kraps | karl_w_w, whats with assange now |
| 14:32.59 | foxlit | I was going more for "explains." Dunno what you think is changed, mikma. |
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| 14:33.50 | kullervo | ah right, public. |
| 14:34.23 | foxlit | "logs ... publicly available" would've been better phrasing. |
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| 14:42.01 | Kraps | Thunder_Child, ping |
| 14:56.36 | karl_w_w | nothing Kraps, I was making a clever joke with intricate wordplay |
| 14:56.53 | Kraps | ah |
| 14:57.17 | Kraps | i was bedazzled at the sheer genius of it, is all |
| 14:57.31 | karl_w_w | understandable |
| 14:57.44 | karl_w_w | it was pure literary brilliance |
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| 15:15.19 | [Wobin] | HAPPY NEW YEAR! |
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| 15:19.32 | Kraps | Thunder_Child, ping |
| 15:22.20 | mckenziemc | wishes [Wobin] a happy old year |
| 15:27.12 | Kraps | who here has Endless Space |
| 15:27.13 | Kraps | the game |
| 15:27.22 | AcidWeb | me |
| 15:27.45 | Kraps | is it an RTS? |
| 15:27.50 | AcidWeb | nope |
| 15:27.57 | AcidWeb | not very complex 4x |
| 15:28.04 | Kraps | 4x? |
| 15:28.19 | AcidWeb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4X |
| 15:29.05 | Kraps | huh never heard of that term |
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| 15:29.33 | foxlit | It's a bit out of style. |
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| 15:30.14 | AcidWeb | Kraps: Civilization, Master of Orion, Galactic Civilisation |
| 15:30.20 | Kraps | do you like it |
| 15:30.57 | AcidWeb | Look nice. Combat system is imho broken and it is somewhat to simple for me. |
| 15:31.11 | AcidWeb | But it is not bad. |
| 15:31.30 | AcidWeb | Active developer that release much free stuff. |
| 15:31.48 | foxlit | Personally, I don't have enough patience with the genre. |
| 15:32.02 | AcidWeb | But you talking to somebody who play Aurora. And that is just excel in space ;d |
| 15:32.04 | nevcairiel | when i was young and still patient, we played master of orion to no end |
| 15:32.32 | foxlit | The mix of managing production/moving units around/stuff gets stale after a while. |
| 15:33.14 | foxlit | (civ in general, not familiar enough with endless space) |
| 15:34.14 | Kraps | looks pretty intense http://cdn3.steampowered.com/v/gfx/apps/208140/ss_1037cc176b5042200f42867c7038146246cabb91.1920x1080.jpg?t=1355882060 |
| 15:34.32 | Kraps | foxlit, i'm pretty bad at civ |
| 15:34.57 | AcidWeb | endless space use very easy ship designer |
| 15:36.13 | Kraps | because i only have patience to build 3 cities, then i advance much quicker than the AI but i have much less recourses to fend them off with |
| 15:41.10 | TC-work | Wow, driving in todays traffic must be what it's like to drive in a normal, sane city. |
| 15:42.09 | Kraps | hello TC-work |
| 15:42.51 | TC-work | Good <insert time of day here> Kraps. |
| 15:42.59 | Kraps | morning |
| 15:44.36 | Kraps | TC-work, do you like Endless Space |
| 15:44.50 | Kraps | i decided not to buy it now but anyway |
| 15:46.19 | TC-work | It's ok, but i prefer Sins of a solar empire |
| 16:00.17 | Kraps | g0urra and Humbedooh you guys still havent accepted your dotas :| |
| 16:01.13 | mckenziemc | good 8:01 AM TC-work |
| 16:01.45 | TC-work | nideed mckenziemc |
| 16:01.57 | TC-work | Better if i was not at work but, oh well. |
| 16:02.53 | mckenziemc | trade you |
| 16:02.57 | mckenziemc | i need more money |
| 16:12.32 | TC-work | I need more time to spend my monies |
| 16:14.01 | Kraps | there was a 3d space shooter i saw but i cant find it |
| 16:14.05 | Kraps | on steam |
| 16:14.58 | wereHamster | only one?!? |
| 16:15.05 | TC-work | you mean galactic civ? |
| 16:15.33 | Kraps | no |
| 16:15.55 | Kraps | it was one of those upward scroller things |
| 16:16.02 | Kraps | but in 3d |
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| 16:28.47 | Arrowmaster | well i know my car horn still works |
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| 16:29.02 | Arrowmaster | asshole almost pit maneuvered himself on my car |
| 16:29.09 | Arrowmaster | i should have sped up more and let him |
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| 16:32.00 | TC-work | heh Arrowmaster, one of my friends is looking at your account on http://wastedonsteam.com and making pointed comments about your hours played to price paid. |
| 16:32.57 | Arrowmaster | tell him most of the stuff was purchased at at least 75% off or came from humble bundle etc |
| 16:34.15 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: and some was bought because i pirated it long ago |
| 16:34.44 | zenzelezz | that page confuses me TC, it's missing some games I have... notably Skyrim, which would by far be my most played game |
| 16:35.12 | TC-work | zenzelezz: it need to pull data, make sure to reload |
| 16:35.15 | TC-work | at some point |
| 16:35.47 | zenzelezz | oh, I see... the progress page fooled me then, it seemed to say it would reload when it was done. Now it's actually correct |
| 16:37.29 | TC-work | zenzelezz: it does, possibly it doesnt even have everything yet |
| 16:37.40 | Arrowmaster | SpaceChem has easily got over 100 hours played but it wasnt the steam version |
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| 16:40.45 | zenzelezz | I have that issue with games pre-200...7? Or something, when I started using Steam over retail, games like Mass Effect and Oblivion would be high on my list otherwise |
| 16:41.37 | Lopeppeppy | I've been playing Alpha Centauri again. The old ones are the best! |
| 16:42.01 | zenzelezz | :) |
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| 16:44.44 | durcyn | SMAC's graphics, just, ugh |
| 16:45.02 | Lopeppeppy | Well yeah, it's an old game. |
| 16:45.40 | durcyn | i dusted off my old disc and tried to play it on windows 7 and the palette was shifted somehow |
| 16:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | I've got it running on Windows 8. there are a couple of patches you can apply that help - but in the end, it's an old game. You have to accept that the graphics aren't OMG WoW-standard. |
| 16:46.46 | durcyn | I just want it to look like it did ten years ago! :( |
| 16:47.05 | Lopeppeppy | Have you tried a brand new preferences file? That really helped mine out a lot. |
| 16:47.21 | durcyn | i believe it was on a clean install, i'll have to try again one of these days |
| 16:48.33 | End_ | mine was definitely clean |
| 16:48.35 | End_ | and I agree |
| 16:48.52 | End_ | the graphics didn't look quite right |
| 16:49.29 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty sure that I got my new preferences file from WePlayCiv, http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=115 -- but it's not loading today. |
| 16:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm just happy the bloody thing runs. :) |
| 16:51.15 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: That's why i like raptr, it records everything. |
| 16:51.50 | Arrowmaster | not linux games |
| 16:52.30 | durcyn | raptr lost its allure for me when they started emailing me advertisements after being told multiple times to stop emailing me advertisements |
| 16:52.51 | TC-work | durcyn: I don't get any at all |
| 16:52.52 | Arrowmaster | good to know that |
| 16:53.00 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: does it not have a linux client? |
| 16:53.15 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 16:53.18 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it |
| 16:53.47 | TC-work | nope |
| 16:53.53 | TC-work | not even sure it has a mac one |
| 16:54.04 | TC-work | don't think so there |
| 16:54.35 | pompy | nope they discontinued mac |
| 16:54.36 | TC-work | I lied, there is one for mac i think |
| 16:54.39 | TC-work | ah |
| 16:55.00 | pompy | http://raptr.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2913 |
| 16:55.27 | durcyn | TC-work: it was when they added "rewards" as they call them, which were basically paid advertisements. first it was "you earned a reward", which i disabled, then a month later they added "you're eligible for a reward", which i had to disable again. |
| 16:55.52 | durcyn | and it was all shit like "have a free copy of RIFT" |
| 16:56.10 | pompy | beta is beta |
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| 17:12.10 | TC-work | durcyn: Yea, i get those from time to time, but it hardly a big deal. |
| 17:12.13 | TC-work | it's |
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| 17:17.06 | durcyn | every single one of them's a paid advertisement, that bothers me more than you apparently. |
| 17:17.41 | TC-work | They provide a free service, if it is to continue, they need monies. I think of it as a fair trade. |
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| 17:20.01 | durcyn | "advertising supported" is an obscenity, my eyeballs aren't for sale |
| 17:20.43 | Corrodias | it works great as a model, now if only they'd offer paid subscriptions |
| 17:20.58 | TC-work | Pay for what exactly? |
| 17:21.45 | Dagmar | Pay to make the visual spam stop. |
| 17:21.49 | Lopeppeppy | We're not unreasonable, no one's gonna eat your eyes. |
| 17:22.08 | TC-work | duly noted peppy. |
| 17:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm out of garlic, after all. Can't broil eyeballs without garlic. |
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| 17:30.23 | Dagmar | paprika. |
| 17:31.19 | Gnarfoz | don't you call them bell peppers usually |
| 17:32.26 | nevcairiel | "paprika" in english is the spice we also call paprika |
| 17:32.33 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | Bell peppers are green, orange, yellow, or red. Paprika is a spice. |
| 17:33.15 | nevcairiel | in german, both have the same name, being paprika, so excuse Gnarfoz =P |
| 17:33.19 | karl_w_w | thank god we don't call paprika pepper, there's already enough things with that name |
| 17:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. Neat to know, nevcairiel. |
| 17:33.48 | Gnarfoz | yeah, wikipedia also cleared that up for me |
| 17:33.51 | nevcairiel | In many European languages, but not in English, the word paprika also or only refers to the Capsicum fruit itself. |
| 17:33.55 | nevcairiel | apparently we're not alone! |
| 17:34.27 | karl_w_w | so what do you call the black stuff that comes out of a grinder? :P |
| 17:34.36 | nevcairiel | black stuff? |
| 17:34.37 | Lopeppeppy | Black pepper! |
| 17:34.38 | nevcairiel | pepper? |
| 17:34.40 | Lopeppeppy | Or white pepper! |
| 17:34.41 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 17:34.43 | Gnarfoz | and, as usual, the german wikipedia for no reason at all tries to keep down the number of separate articles, resulting in the de.w.org article being linked to the en.w.org article even though they talk about different things |
| 17:34.44 | Lopeppeppy | Or sea salt. |
| 17:35.17 | nevcairiel | the german word is pfeffer, not related at all to paprikas or other things =p |
| 17:36.08 | Semlar | they're just being efficient |
| 17:36.33 | Gnarfoz | they're morons and are restricting de.w.org's potential |
| 17:36.54 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: interestingly: Pfeffer -> black pepper (articles) |
| 17:37.09 | nevcairiel | in english wikipedia? |
| 17:37.16 | Gnarfoz | de -> en |
| 17:37.19 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 17:37.24 | Gnarfoz | I would never have asked for black pepper if I wanted to have Pfeffer |
| 17:37.42 | nevcairiel | what would you have asked for? |
| 17:37.50 | nevcairiel | i mean, black pepper is the most common form of pepper you use |
| 17:37.57 | nevcairiel | we just omit the black |
| 17:38.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 17:38.11 | Fisker | i'm gonna pfeffer all over you |
| 17:38.13 | Gnarfoz | I would've asked for pepper |
| 17:38.21 | Gnarfoz | question is, what would I have got? :D |
| 17:38.29 | nevcairiel | a puzzled look? |
| 17:38.57 | karl_w_w | yeah it's white pepper or pepper |
| 17:39.17 | karl_w_w | people only call it black pepper when they are being pretentious in my experience |
| 17:39.28 | Semlar | huh? |
| 17:39.34 | Fisker | that's racist |
| 17:39.37 | Semlar | i've never even heard the term white pepper |
| 17:39.39 | karl_w_w | ikr |
| 17:40.59 | Gnarfoz | that's a lot of peppers: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Cachi_02.jpg :D |
| 17:41.07 | karl_w_w | really don't know what to say about that Semlar, white pepper is hardly unheard of :P |
| 17:41.27 | karl_w_w | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Dried_Peppercorns.jpg |
| 17:41.55 | Semlar | right, black pepper is what you'd normally put on the table |
| 17:42.02 | Semlar | or at least where i am |
| 17:42.16 | Semlar | i've honestly never seen white pepper before |
| 17:42.24 | Gnarfoz | maybe you have, but didn't notice |
| 17:42.30 | karl_w_w | it's not very common |
| 17:42.31 | Gnarfoz | mixes are not uncommon |
| 17:42.33 | Semlar | maybe |
| 17:42.37 | Semlar | not a white peppercorn |
| 17:42.41 | karl_w_w | but you can buy it in the supermarket and such |
| 17:42.56 | Gnarfoz | these "common/uncommon" things never work across the internet :D |
| 17:43.21 | Gnarfoz | hey, I ran out of tabs |
| 17:43.52 | Gnarfoz | time to sort xmas pics and hope the camera battery doesn't take too long to re-charge |
| 17:44.46 | Lopeppeppy | I use white pepper in making white cream salads - macaroni and potato - and in soups. |
| 17:45.05 | Gnarfoz | also fuck intel for disabling VT-d on K models of their CPUs |
| 17:45.28 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | And as Fisker says, perhaps in lutefisk. |
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| 17:52.36 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: seriously? why would they disable it on the more expensive models? |
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| 17:57.59 | End_ | I think the K model is the only one they disable it on |
| 18:01.04 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 18:01.30 | End_ | and quad mobile too apparently, but that's less of a surprise |
| 18:01.40 | Gnarfoz | the overclockable models don't get it, that's all I know |
| 18:02.12 | Gnarfoz | (considering getting a non-overclockable one next time just because of that) |
| 18:02.20 | End_ | I never overclock anyway |
| 18:02.28 | Gnarfoz | same |
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| 18:02.53 | End_ | although the K model's base clock is still already faster |
| 18:03.30 | Gnarfoz | not for mine |
| 18:03.50 | Gnarfoz | I see, they did that for IB |
| 18:04.14 | Gnarfoz | (does IB still only have ONE i7 model?) |
| 18:04.34 | End_ | oh there's two different K models for SB now |
| 18:04.52 | End_ | wait, now I'm confused |
| 18:04.54 | End_ | oh well, whatever |
| 18:05.20 | End_ | oh wait yeah I'm really confusing myself |
| 18:05.30 | End_ | yeah I was thinking of IB |
| 18:05.42 | End_ | which is what I have |
| 18:07.36 | Semlar | what |
| 18:08.25 | End_ | don't mind me I got IB and SB confused in my head |
| 18:15.54 | Shirik | a bird just flew into my window |
| 18:16.34 | End_ | was it a big bird |
| 18:16.39 | End_ | was it the big bird |
| 18:16.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:16.50 | End_ | :o |
| 18:16.51 | Shirik | it was part of my republican plan to kill big bird |
| 18:16.57 | End_ | :o :o |
| 18:18.16 | foxlit | karl_w_w: the answer to the question you forgot you asked is that keeping information in a single giant pile is inconvenient when other things need to refer to specific things. |
| 18:22.02 | karl_w_w | you're right |
| 18:22.08 | foxlit | So are you, though |
| 18:22.14 | karl_w_w | I have no recollection of what question that could be |
| 18:23.08 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/Talk:Making_a_macro#Splitting_off_Conditionals_section.3F |
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| 18:27.22 | karl_w_w | ah yes |
| 18:27.48 | karl_w_w | but if you need to refer to specific thing you just link them |
| 18:27.53 | karl_w_w | like you just did :P |
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| 18:51.47 | zenzelezz | if you ever find yourself in World of Tanks, wondering why your new gun does no damage... be sure to check that you're using the right ammo |
| 18:51.54 | zenzelezz | not that I made that mistake or anything |
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| 18:55.58 | foxlit | For some reason I'm imagining litle tanks driving around the country side, getting quests from tank NPCs, and skinning wolves to get a new cannon or something |
| 19:04.00 | karl_w_w | I doubt I'll ever find myself in world of tanks |
| 19:11.09 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: i would play that |
| 19:11.50 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: quickly, young tank, you must defeat 4 plagued rats to save our village! |
| 19:12.41 | foxlit | Also, bring me 8 boar meats. And once you're done, deliver this piece of mail to the innkeeper in the next village. |
| 19:13.13 | Arrowmaster | im guessing using the main cannon on the boars is a bad idea |
| 19:13.29 | Arrowmaster | and using the main cannon to fire the letter into the next town is also frowned upon |
| 19:14.57 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit: http://i.imgur.com/hsiSr.jpg |
| 19:14.59 | zenzelezz | but imagine how fun Battle for Mount Hyjal would be in your Panther tank |
| 19:15.49 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: need |
| 19:16.32 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/0z9OJ.jpg |
| 19:16.32 | zenzelezz | also, if you use the "Reloading" voice command in WoT, it shows an icon which is essentially an typical "loading" spinner. Thought at first it was loading data |
| 19:17.01 | nevcairiel | whats with the upside down hardware here? |
| 19:17.13 | foxlit | (it looks like it's on a giant pillow) |
| 19:17.19 | nevcairiel | it does |
| 19:17.30 | nevcairiel | maybe its supposed to be? |
| 19:18.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's a dakimakura! |
| 19:18.07 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/QUyu2.jpg |
| 19:18.08 | Arrowmaster | yes its supposed to be both sides of a pillow case |
| 19:18.08 | Mr_Rabies | like this |
| 19:18.53 | nevcairiel | so instead of some anime girl with a usual short skirt, you get a tank on your pillow? |
| 19:18.57 | Mr_Rabies | one of my favorite pastimes at conventions is watching people do the walk of shame with a comically lewd dakimakura they bought |
| 19:19.09 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:19.27 | Arrowmaster | thats why you buy the case only and fold it up |
| 19:19.39 | nevcairiel | experience, eh |
| 19:19.58 | Arrowmaster | i have a body pillow but no i do not have a case for it |
| 19:21.04 | Mr_Rabies | get one of these covers Arrowmaster http://i.imgur.com/7SPB5.jpg |
| 19:21.13 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:21.18 | nevcairiel | pillowception? |
| 19:21.35 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/ppO6X.jpg |
| 19:21.45 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | dakimakuras are probably the most shameful part of otaku culture |
| 19:22.25 | Mr_Rabies | and that's saying a lot |
| 19:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | no, i think the most shameful part is probably the celebrity gossip |
| 19:23.59 | Arrowmaster | seriously why should i care which young voice actress is sleeping with which old studio executive |
| 19:24.49 | Mr_Rabies | or when they stage some kind of campaign against an idol/voice actress because the tabloids found out she's not a virgin or something |
| 19:24.53 | Mr_Rabies | otaku are the worst :| |
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| 19:27.57 | Elkano | ah, Little Busters :) |
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| 19:52.57 | mikma | rtharper: hyvää uutta vuotta |
| 19:53.45 | Arrowmaster | hidden steam flash sale 2 hours left, double fine bundle with iron brigade http://store.steampowered.com/sub/18248/ |
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| 20:11.25 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: you're ... a durid... and stuff. are you able to explain to me what I can and can't do in shapeshift form as I'll be fucked if I can work out any consistency to it :) |
| 20:12.14 | Mr_Rabies | there isn't any |
| 20:12.38 | nevcairiel | feral forms really just can't use any spells, except if they can |
| 20:12.52 | Mr_Rabies | there's not even consistency in what takes you out of forms |
| 20:12.58 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes looting objects does |
| 20:13.04 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes it says "you're in shapeshift form" |
| 20:13.09 | Mr_Rabies | same with crafting items |
| 20:13.27 | Mr_Rabies | and using engineering items |
| 20:13.36 | bleeter | my 'current' fave is my herby durid can't pull vegies from the farm without coming out of form, yet can herb all day |
| 20:13.37 | Mr_Rabies | some take you out of form when you use them, some don't |
| 20:13.55 | Mr_Rabies | salvaging engineering items takes you out of form |
| 20:14.07 | Mr_Rabies | loot-a-rang takes you out of form |
| 20:14.07 | nevcairiel | i loved herbing in flying form, just barely land, herb, fly away .. aggroing a mob? if he is slow enough, you can be done and gone =P |
| 20:14.08 | bleeter | then there's all the quests I can't progress in flight form, but if I'm on a flying mount it's perfectly doable I'm all wtf at them too |
| 20:14.10 | Mr_Rabies | flamethrower doesn't |
| 20:14.34 | nevcairiel | of course in BC it was really OP when you didnt have to land to herb |
| 20:14.38 | Mr_Rabies | there's no consistency whatsoever, and it changes on a patch-to-patch basis |
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| 20:15.03 | Mr_Rabies | and it's always a headache when it does force a form change |
| 20:15.03 | bleeter | I wouldn't mind if the farm had level 650 herb on it |
| 20:15.13 | bleeter | anyways |
| 20:15.19 | bleeter | glad it's not just me shat to tears |
| 20:15.31 | Mr_Rabies | because you get a GCD to go back in |
| 20:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | and we have different GCDs in cat form compared to other forms |
| 20:15.46 | Mr_Rabies | so it breaks some stuff |
| 20:15.54 | nevcairiel | yeah cat has the 1s rogue gcd |
| 20:16.09 | Mr_Rabies | except when casting heals with feral swiftness |
| 20:16.11 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 20:16.22 | Mr_Rabies | err |
| 20:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | predatory swiftness |
| 20:16.37 | bleeter | I kinda get the feeling they've attempted to fix durid in the past year or two but have made it much much worse :-/ |
| 20:16.49 | bleeter | (having 'missed' a year or two, this is) |
| 20:16.59 | bleeter | *my having missed |
| 20:17.24 | Mr_Rabies | it used to be consitent in that you couldn't do anythig in forms, but that really, really sucked |
| 20:17.37 | Mr_Rabies | no potions, no eating/drinking, no looting chests |
| 20:17.48 | Mr_Rabies | no engineering stuff at all |
| 20:17.50 | nevcairiel | i never really noticed any such issues, but then i havent played feral since like BC |
| 20:18.06 | Mr_Rabies | the big change was with 1.7 or 1.8 |
| 20:18.11 | bleeter | wonder if I should file a bug for everything I can't do in flight form but can on a mount |
| 20:18.13 | Mr_Rabies | we could finally loot chests, etc |
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| 20:18.21 | nevcairiel | flight form sometimes is a bit weird with going out of, but then it lets you do many quests while staying in flight form, so its still a lot better :p |
| 20:18.23 | Mr_Rabies | wouldn't recommend it :p |
| 20:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | they'll find a way to break looting quest items in flight form |
| 20:18.41 | nevcairiel | bleeter: flight form can do a lot more then a mounted player can |
| 20:18.49 | bleeter | as in, for each individual thing I encounter. one for the trapped pandas on the lotarse dailies, one for... one for... etc. etc. maybe the devs will get the point *innocent whistle* |
| 20:19.13 | bleeter | nevcairiel: flight form can loot herbs but can't loot vegetables. |
| 20:19.18 | nevcairiel | looting quest items in flight form is so incredibly useful |
| 20:19.19 | Mr_Rabies | just accept that it's not a mount and be happy with that :p |
| 20:19.36 | nevcairiel | maybe not veggis, but the usual quest item works |
| 20:19.40 | nevcairiel | and mounted cannot do that |
| 20:19.44 | Mr_Rabies | we also can't be 'dismounted' in any way |
| 20:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | none of the npc dismount spells work |
| 20:20.00 | nevcairiel | and you can mount while falling :D |
| 20:20.11 | bleeter | which is good |
| 20:20.17 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say it's a fair tradeoff :p |
| 20:20.20 | bleeter | because the only way to go to flight form whilst being on a mount |
| 20:20.24 | bleeter | is to dismiss the mount |
| 20:20.28 | bleeter | fall a bit, then enable flight form |
| 20:20.35 | bleeter | because flight form can't be enabled on a mount? |
| 20:20.39 | Mr_Rabies | i have guppet and it does some voodoo |
| 20:20.47 | bleeter | or maybe that's just my settings :-/ |
| 20:20.48 | Mr_Rabies | where it autocancels the mount and casts flight form |
| 20:20.48 | nevcairiel | i dont usually use flight mounts |
| 20:21.02 | Mr_Rabies | do you have auto-dismount on in interface options, bleeter? |
| 20:21.03 | nevcairiel | wasnt there an interface option to block accidental casts on mounts? |
| 20:21.10 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, there is |
| 20:21.16 | Mr_Rabies | it also could be that |
| 20:21.17 | bleeter | nevcairiel: there's a lote-arse daily quests, rescue pandas from a phase. can't do it in flight form, but piece of cake on a mount |
| 20:21.32 | Mr_Rabies | rescue pandas? |
| 20:21.44 | Mr_Rabies | i did that in flight form no problem :O |
| 20:21.44 | nevcairiel | lote-arse? |
| 20:21.47 | bleeter | golden lotus |
| 20:22.02 | Mr_Rabies | here's how you rescue them |
| 20:22.03 | nevcairiel | i think i also did that in flight form |
| 20:22.05 | Mr_Rabies | fly down onto the ground |
| 20:22.07 | Mr_Rabies | aggro mogu |
| 20:22.08 | Mr_Rabies | fly up |
| 20:22.17 | Mr_Rabies | mogu despawns, you've freed them :p |
| 20:22.24 | nevcairiel | usually i still had mogu to kill when rescueing them, so i just killed them |
| 20:22.41 | bleeter | not them, the ones in the phase you get to by using the purple thingy |
| 20:23.00 | Mr_Rabies | hm |
| 20:23.02 | Mr_Rabies | i can't remember |
| 20:23.03 | bleeter | you touch em, they light up, then float topwards the sky |
| 20:23.14 | Mr_Rabies | you can do that mounted? |
| 20:23.15 | bleeter | if you're in flight form, when you touch em it bitches yer in flight form. |
| 20:23.17 | Mr_Rabies | that sounds unintended |
| 20:23.23 | bleeter | so one has to mount up |
| 20:23.43 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot of obviously unintended stuff witht hose quests |
| 20:23.51 | Mr_Rabies | like the quest items not being properly deleted |
| 20:24.09 | Mr_Rabies | and the bomb thing being castable in stealth without breaking it, anytime |
| 20:24.12 | Mr_Rabies | as long as you're in that area |
| 20:24.19 | nevcairiel | i just did a bunch of those while avoiding the ghost thingys, then shadowmeld to drop any ghosts i may have picked up and did the others, cant say i missed flying =p |
| 20:24.26 | Mr_Rabies | so i'd follow guildies around and knock them around in stealth with the bombs |
| 20:24.58 | bleeter | can't recall if can drop the bombs in bird form, think so |
| 20:25.28 | bleeter | (yes, I just started playing the durid 'seriously' at 90 if you couldn't guess) |
| 20:26.07 | bleeter | I'm just glad my durid isn't an enchanter/tailor ;) |
| 20:26.08 | nevcairiel | you'll be bored by all the daily quests in a week and all this wont bother you anymore |
| 20:27.08 | bleeter | after getting the commendations on my main, suspect a week is all i'll need ;) |
| 20:27.53 | nevcairiel | I really enjoyed leveling my monk, then i hit 90, and i was bored after a week and stopped playing entirely (again) |
| 20:28.14 | nevcairiel | dungeons and dailys are just so fucking boring |
| 20:28.27 | bleeter | i'm a durid fan, I did the priest first as it's human and got the extra rep gains |
| 20:28.57 | nevcairiel | my main is a druid, and i still enjoyed doing the dungeons and gearing up and stuff, but all that again .... meh |
| 20:29.10 | Mr_Rabies | my druid's enchanter/engineer |
| 20:29.19 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, professions are kind of old hat nowadays |
| 20:29.44 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: what's it like being able to build a helicopter and a rocket whilst simultaneously forgetting at ~level 35 how to make wands? :P |
| 20:29.46 | nevcairiel | i'm alch/lw now, switched to lw from herbing a while ago, but its all the same |
| 20:29.54 | bleeter | yeah, professions are near pointless these days |
| 20:30.17 | bleeter | imo the rot started setting in when they got rid of bullets/arrows and engis lost their steady income |
| 20:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | they're really only for poor people who do and don't raid, and rich people who don't raid to worry about anymore |
| 20:30.58 | Mr_Rabies | rich people can buy the BoEs |
| 20:31.08 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:31.11 | Fisker | explain your nonsense |
| 20:31.22 | Mr_Rabies | poor people think professions are where the money's made and help drive the economy in that regard |
| 20:31.25 | bleeter | though I will give Archaeology some + for their Pandaristani BoA stuffs |
| 20:31.48 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: been years since it was like that |
| 20:32.09 | Mr_Rabies | what's that mean |
| 20:32.11 | Mr_Rabies | :o |
| 20:32.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's like that now, for my server |
| 20:32.27 | nevcairiel | i got that 2h weapon from arch for leveling my monk, lvl 90 weapon with 85 lvl req, my monk facerolled through the enemies =P |
| 20:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | professions are basically unnecessary anymore |
| 20:32.48 | bleeter | has been years since one could make some nice coin with professions, is what I meant. that I agree, although it wasn't always this way |
| 20:33.04 | Mr_Rabies | they're a waste of time |
| 20:33.10 | Mr_Rabies | the mechanics are years out of date |
| 20:33.16 | nevcairiel | only way to make money is play the auctionhouse game |
| 20:33.19 | Mr_Rabies | so i just make fun stuff for myself |
| 20:33.20 | nevcairiel | which really bores me |
| 20:33.50 | Mr_Rabies | i just sell all my mats as soon as i get them |
| 20:33.55 | Mr_Rabies | and buy what i need as i need it |
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| 20:34.13 | Mr_Rabies | i sell for over average longterm market value and buy for less |
| 20:34.46 | Mr_Rabies | sell on tuesday, buy on like, sunday |
| 20:35.18 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 20:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | i've got less than a week's worth of lesser charms left |
| 20:35.32 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i should do some dailies |
| 20:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | :/ |
| 20:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | i really dislike the concept of dailies |
| 20:36.10 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 20:36.15 | Mr_Rabies | i've never liked them, and felt like when they were added was a step ack |
| 20:36.17 | Mr_Rabies | back |
| 20:36.20 | End_ | I think they're overused |
| 20:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | they should be reserved for certain situations like wintersaber trainers, cloud serpent, etc |
| 20:36.57 | Mr_Rabies | at the most |
| 20:37.00 | End_ | I think the 5.1 dailies were a better use than all of the other dailies that came out in MoP by far |
| 20:37.05 | Mr_Rabies | eh |
| 20:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | they still suck |
| 20:37.13 | nevcairiel | i dunno, i like the concept of having isolated dailys, like one fishing daily a day and other small special occasions, not the general tool for giving people stuff to do |
| 20:37.27 | Mr_Rabies | what made the 5.1 reps palatable was everything associated with it that WASN'T dailies |
| 20:37.36 | End_ | I suppose that's true |
| 20:37.36 | foxlit | nevcairiel: what should people be doing while logged in? :) |
| 20:37.46 | End_ | the dailies were mostly an engine for spreading out the storyline |
| 20:37.59 | bleeter | foxlit: pet battles! |
| 20:38.00 | Mr_Rabies | but the dailies themselves almost never have any storyline |
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| 20:38.09 | nevcairiel | foxlit: what did people do in classic all day long? |
| 20:38.13 | Mr_Rabies | they're just empty fetch and kill quests |
| 20:38.25 | foxlit | nevcairiel: nothing useful, as far as I'm concerned. You logged in to raid. |
| 20:38.43 | Mr_Rabies | you should never have to repeat the same quest more than once on the same character |
| 20:38.55 | nevcairiel | If the dailys just provided gold, i would be fine, but right now they feel mandatory to get the loot coins and rep |
| 20:39.09 | End_ | I mind the loot coins more than the rep |
| 20:39.09 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, and they're the only way to get rep |
| 20:39.12 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: you should never run the same instance more than once on the same character |
| 20:39.17 | End_ | the rep is finishable, loot coins are not |
| 20:39.25 | End_ | but I have enough loot coins to last me...months? |
| 20:39.29 | Mr_Rabies | instances are dynamic experiences, daily quests aren't |
| 20:39.30 | End_ | I don't even know, but a while |
| 20:39.34 | foxlit | oh bs |
| 20:39.49 | nevcairiel | instances are pretty much the same everytime as well |
| 20:39.55 | bleeter | just give me account wide currencies already please |
| 20:39.55 | nevcairiel | sometimes you have a especially horrible group |
| 20:40.00 | nevcairiel | but most of the time, its all the same |
| 20:40.03 | bleeter | and rep while you're at it |
| 20:40.09 | foxlit | heroic instances are every bit as bad as a daily quest, and worse because what you're doing objectively does not matter. |
| 20:40.15 | bleeter | actually... gief all teh XPs nao! |
| 20:40.21 | foxlit | I mean, you could tank instances spamming nothing but thrash and swipe. |
| 20:40.23 | Mr_Rabies | grinding rep using dailies exclusively is probably the worst change i've ever seen |
| 20:40.40 | nevcairiel | i dont have an answer how to solve it, but for the non-raiding person, the game is just incredibly boring |
| 20:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure blizzard will, as per usual, come into line with my thought process after a while |
| 20:40.50 | nevcairiel | LFR is so f'ing easy that you can sleep through it |
| 20:40.57 | Mr_Rabies | LFR's not easy on my battlegroup |
| 20:40.58 | End_ | I have ideas on how to solve it, but I don't know that they're not worse |
| 20:41.06 | Mr_Rabies | galaron is usually 5+ wipes each week |
| 20:41.19 | nevcairiel | i actually havent done any LFR beyond mogushan |
| 20:41.28 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: that's not your BG, that's just you ;) |
| 20:41.37 | Mr_Rabies | but it's not :( |
| 20:41.39 | foxlit | it's every bit as easy as you describe, nevairiel. |
| 20:41.48 | bleeter | hugs Mr_Rabies |
| 20:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | once i ran empress in HoF totally naked on accident and still was higher than other dps |
| 20:41.54 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 20:42.02 | End_ | I believe it |
| 20:42.07 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 20:42.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not even joking |
| 20:42.11 | nevcairiel | i did the first 4 bosses on "normal" with some friends and really enjoyed it, then those people vanished again into the nether, and i really don't have the time to find a dedicated raid, so i tried LFR |
| 20:42.25 | Mr_Rabies | i stripped down to avoid repairs if someone pulled before i got there since it spawned me at the beginning of the raid |
| 20:42.34 | nevcairiel | LFR was so incredibly dull compared to "normal" 10man even, that it immediately drove me to quit |
| 20:42.34 | Mr_Rabies | thenf orgot to swap back when i got there, because of cat form |
| 20:42.41 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i'm done with lfr |
| 20:42.42 | bleeter | 'i ran... totally naked on accident' there's a /topic |
| 20:42.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'm done with dailies |
| 20:43.01 | foxlit | remember, you're in a progression guild |
| 20:43.05 | foxlit | Time to kick yourself out :) |
| 20:43.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm done with 5mans with brazilians |
| 20:43.28 | Mr_Rabies | well, |
| 20:43.38 | Mr_Rabies | being "done with them" doesn't mean i'm gonna stop doing them |
| 20:43.40 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately |
| 20:43.46 | nevcairiel | so, i hate dailies, my druid was done with dungeon gear farming, my guild was dead since mid-cata and i didnt really have time anymore for a real progress guild, so what did i do |
| 20:43.48 | nevcairiel | roll a new panda |
| 20:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | i've gotta hit vp cap somehow |
| 20:44.06 | Mr_Rabies | and get charms somehow |
| 20:44.17 | nevcairiel | leveling the panda monk was great fun |
| 20:44.25 | nevcairiel | i hit 90, ran my first two days of dungeons |
| 20:44.26 | nevcairiel | got bored |
| 20:44.29 | nevcairiel | havent logged in since |
| 20:44.31 | nevcairiel | damn you wow |
| 20:44.34 | nevcairiel | you were fun once |
| 20:44.41 | foxlit | I really think it's the 90 dungeons difficulty level |
| 20:44.46 | foxlit | It's tuned to be lukewarm at best. |
| 20:45.01 | Mr_Rabies | i miss the early cata dungeon difficulty :( |
| 20:45.15 | foxlit | Same problem as LFR being undertuned to the point that you can win by ignoring mechanics on purpose |
| 20:45.17 | End_ | there's challenge modes, but I think those require a dedicated group and thus I haven't even tried them |
| 20:45.21 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:45.22 | nevcairiel | early BC and early cata were great |
| 20:45.31 | nevcairiel | in dungeon difficulty |
| 20:45.36 | Mr_Rabies | less than probably 30 people on my whole server have completed any challenge modes |
| 20:45.43 | End_ | I think most of early BC was kind of a problem |
| 20:46.02 | End_ | at least until 2.1 |
| 20:46.04 | nevcairiel | i really enjoyed the attunments for the big raid instances in BC |
| 20:46.10 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't |
| 20:46.21 | Mr_Rabies | i felt attunements were the worst part of the nightmare that was tbc |
| 20:46.23 | nevcairiel | you felt like you had to do something to go there |
| 20:46.28 | Fisker | haste |
| 20:46.37 | nevcairiel | not just port in and start smashing some guys face |
| 20:46.44 | nevcairiel | it gave the whole raiding more story, more character |
| 20:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | the only problem was once you fell off the horse, you couldn't get back on |
| 20:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | at all |
| 20:46.54 | End_ | I kinda liked the attunements too |
| 20:46.57 | Mr_Rabies | no one ran the old instances |
| 20:47.09 | Mr_Rabies | so you were like "welp, guess i'm done raiding until the next expansion" |
| 20:47.10 | End_ | but the attunement to hyjal/BT was overboard |
| 20:47.11 | Mr_Rabies | and quit |
| 20:47.14 | foxlit | Dungeon Finder solves that easily, Mr_Rabies? |
| 20:47.14 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: that didnt happen to me, because i was very dedicated during that time, so i didnt care =P |
| 20:47.24 | Mr_Rabies | dungeon finder didn't exist in tbc, foxlit |
| 20:47.35 | nevcairiel | it was fun for me back then |
| 20:47.38 | foxlit | my point is that it wouldn't be a problem reinstating all of those attunements now |
| 20:48.03 | Mr_Rabies | eh, they just added complexity, not interesting content, for the most part |
| 20:48.14 | Mr_Rabies | some of the quests were okay, at best |
| 20:48.25 | Mr_Rabies | also you'd have to make the quests stuff you do in dungeon finder anyway |
| 20:48.36 | nevcairiel | they added soem story around the raids instead of just opening some new portal somewhere you go through |
| 20:48.37 | Mr_Rabies | no one will ever do optional ANYTHING in dungeon finder |
| 20:48.44 | foxlit | it's nice to have a reason to be running through the expansion's various instances beyond "I must have that guy's loot to beat up the next random guy!" |
| 20:49.10 | Mr_Rabies | that's what the leveling quests are for :p |
| 20:49.12 | nevcairiel | i even liked having to travel to instances |
| 20:49.30 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i didn't mind traveling to instances in tbc because they were all fairly close |
| 20:49.44 | Mr_Rabies | or rather, i just ran mechanar a million times since it was the fastest |
| 20:49.51 | foxlit | chore that added no value to the game. |
| 20:49.59 | nevcairiel | and around half a million times the elevator broke? |
| 20:50.04 | Mr_Rabies | skip the fire boss |
| 20:50.11 | Mr_Rabies | it never broke for me :o |
| 20:50.25 | foxlit | elevators are evil |
| 20:50.27 | nevcairiel | mechanar elevator was like broken half of the time for us =P |
| 20:50.29 | Mr_Rabies | the trick was making sure everyone was out of combat before doing the key thing |
| 20:50.31 | foxlit | I still don't get why there's one in SSC |
| 20:50.41 | nevcairiel | foxlit: its a trap to kill noobs |
| 20:50.53 | nevcairiel | and it did so very well |
| 20:50.53 | foxlit | I'd also accept "australians" |
| 20:51.05 | nevcairiel | we EUians dont suffer from those persons |
| 20:51.05 | Mr_Rabies | i never ran anything past gruul because i stopped playing hardcore for a little while and couldn't get caught up at all |
| 20:51.15 | Mr_Rabies | i love the catchup mechanics in wrath and later |
| 20:51.40 | nevcairiel | catchup being a week after patch you have better gear then most people that actually ran the raids? |
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| 20:51.56 | foxlit | well no. |
| 20:52.01 | Mr_Rabies | i was geared up for icc within a few weeks, and that's how it should be |
| 20:52.02 | karl_w_w | how the hell did dota 2 win community choice |
| 20:52.08 | karl_w_w | u can pick up keys for free |
| 20:52.16 | karl_w_w | or $2 on ebay if u dont know anyone |
| 20:52.25 | Mr_Rabies | when i came back, icc had been out for a long time |
| 20:52.27 | karl_w_w | maybe it's rigged |
| 20:52.48 | Mr_Rabies | and yeah, nevcairiel |
| 20:52.50 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not a week |
| 20:53.04 | Mr_Rabies | but you should be able to catch up to people who ran the last tier relatively quickly |
| 20:53.15 | Mr_Rabies | maybe a month if you play at least a few hours a day |
| 20:53.20 | Mr_Rabies | at most |
| 20:53.38 | Mr_Rabies | 2-3 weeks for people who play a little more hardcore than that |
| 20:54.14 | nevcairiel | that only ensures that everyone will definitely stop running the old raids, i would rather have incentive to keep running the old raids occasionally |
| 20:54.24 | Mr_Rabies | but no one did, even with incentive |
| 20:54.44 | nevcairiel | then the incentive didnt work =p |
| 20:54.56 | Mr_Rabies | which is easier, getting some scrub geared up or just getting someone geared in your raid? |
| 20:55.06 | Mr_Rabies | if you have to rely on others to get you caught up, you never will |
| 20:55.20 | End_ | it's definitely a tricky problem |
| 20:55.30 | Mr_Rabies | because they don't care if you're caught up or not |
| 20:55.39 | Mr_Rabies | they just want to continue progressing |
| 20:55.45 | End_ | after a certain problem, in TBC you had to jump straight to heroics or kara |
| 20:56.04 | End_ | most people jumped to kara, since the heroics required rep |
| 20:56.14 | nevcairiel | kara was an interesting thing, people kept running it way after the content was technically out of date |
| 20:56.17 | End_ | s/problem/point/ |
| 20:56.34 | End_ | yeah that is interesting |
| 20:56.51 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 20:56.52 | Mr_Rabies | the reason why |
| 20:56.54 | End_ | but as a fresh 90 you probably wouldn't be able to do normals because noone wanted to do them |
| 20:57.00 | Mr_Rabies | is that there were guilds that were just launching points |
| 20:57.06 | nevcairiel | maybe its small raid size gave people that usually dont raid a reason to go there |
| 20:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | raid groups would be eternally stuck in kara |
| 20:57.24 | nevcairiel | same as ZG in classic |
| 20:57.32 | Mr_Rabies | because they'd lose people to join more progressed guilds, and then the replacement would always be someone who never ran kara |
| 20:57.46 | Mr_Rabies | perpetually keeping them in there |
| 20:57.49 | End_ | that was a problem with MC too |
| 20:57.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 20:58.00 | End_ | I remember the guilds that were just eternally MC guilds |
| 20:58.09 | Mr_Rabies | fact is: no one wants to run the old content |
| 20:58.27 | bleeter | I wonder if that's true |
| 20:58.29 | Mr_Rabies | relying on old content to progress will only insure the progressed continue progressing and no one else can catch up |
| 20:58.40 | bleeter | I wonder if it were thrown in to LFD, how busy old content would be |
| 20:58.56 | Mr_Rabies | they may want to run the old content once in a while when there's nothing else to do |
| 20:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | but they're not going to run it seriously or bring undergeared people in most cases |
| 20:59.12 | bleeter | I know a bunch of RPers who want to lol |
| 20:59.18 | Mr_Rabies | RPers are weird |
| 20:59.32 | bleeter | in mmorpg's? yeah, totally freaked |
| 20:59.45 | kd3 | wow; http://imgur.com/FXAyw |
| 20:59.47 | Mr_Rabies | you're weird, but a different weird than the weirdo rpsers |
| 20:59.49 | Mr_Rabies | rpers |
| 21:00.03 | Mr_Rabies | and i don't even mean erpers when i say "weirdo rpers" |
| 21:00.06 | bleeter | kd3: wat |
| 21:00.29 | Mr_Rabies | kd3: #wowuidev meetup in tallapoosa? |
| 21:00.34 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:00.37 | TC-work | Just note you are moving to a crazier state kd3. A better one imo, but crazier. |
| 21:00.52 | Mr_Rabies | where are you moving, again? |
| 21:00.59 | kd3 | huntsville |
| 21:01.03 | kd3 | madison, to be specific |
| 21:01.15 | bleeter | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Possum_Drop |
| 21:01.29 | Mr_Rabies | huntsville alabama? D: |
| 21:01.34 | End_ | where did you used to live? |
| 21:01.38 | kd3 | west of atlanta |
| 21:01.40 | End_ | and huntsville is different than most of alabama |
| 21:01.48 | bleeter | "The festivities include a contest with local men dressed as women to compete for the title "Miss Possom Queen" as well as bluegrass music, snacks and beverages, and souvenir merchandise." |
| 21:01.50 | Mr_Rabies | why would anyone intentionally move to alabama? it's like a time machine |
| 21:01.51 | End_ | or so I hear |
| 21:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | and i speak of alabama in terms of living in rural georgia |
| 21:02.04 | kd3 | I was offered a job. I'm up for that |
| 21:02.13 | bleeter | wat |
| 21:02.24 | Mr_Rabies | i was actually thinking of that exact thing earlier this week |
| 21:02.31 | bleeter | there's "The (original) Possum Drop" and "The (other) Possum Drop" |
| 21:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure it's just location bias but i don't know a single person who moved to alabama on purpose |
| 21:02.43 | Mr_Rabies | only people who left there |
| 21:03.21 | Mr_Rabies | not to say georgia's any kind of shining beacon of civilization |
| 21:03.41 | Mr_Rabies | any kind of change in location's probably a good move |
| 21:03.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'm worried it won't be different enough, or will be different in all the wrong ways |
| 21:04.07 | Mr_Rabies | but hey, change can do wonders for your mood |
| 21:08.26 | End_ | I dunno, I know people who love alabama though |
| 21:14.56 | kd3 | heh. a thread's talking about fights and someone brings up rpg roles |
| 21:15.01 | kd3 | "Last time I was in a bar fight, I fell into my usual DoT role. The police didn't like that too much because apparently setting people on fire with 151 and a lighter is 'illegal' or something." |
| 21:16.28 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 21:16.31 | Fisker | hope you don't die |
| 21:16.37 | kd3 | I'm not planning on it |
| 21:16.56 | Fisker | well if you were i would hope you died |
| 21:17.19 | TC-work | http://io9.com/5972038/picard-vamps-worf-sings-and-riker-makes-out-with-the-camera-in-this-next-generation-blooper-reel that is amusingly funny |
| 21:17.22 | End_ | fisker always hopes for success |
| 21:17.41 | Mr_Rabies | always* |
| 21:17.53 | Mr_Rabies | *never |
| 21:19.23 | haste | Fisker: |
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| 21:23.00 | Fisker | haste |
| 21:23.12 | Fisker | so what was that miracast nonsense you were talking about? |
| 21:23.24 | Fisker | xbmc for android over miracast or miracast through xbmc on pc? |
| 21:26.14 | Fisker | gonna fucking cut you haste |
| 21:27.30 | haste | xbmc on linux doesn't support miracast from miracast-able devices |
| 21:28.24 | Fisker | xbmc on <all> doesn't support that? |
| 21:28.33 | haste | no idea |
| 21:28.35 | haste | but we run it on nix |
| 21:28.37 | Fisker | yes idea |
| 21:28.48 | Fisker | there's no such thing as miracast in xbmc |
| 21:28.58 | haste | we could have a miracast receiver on a separate device |
| 21:29.05 | haste | but that would require us to switch hdmi port |
| 21:29.14 | haste | which is stupid for something as that |
| 21:29.29 | bleeter | haha some aussie marathon swimmer's made a new year's resolution to be the first to swim from havana to key west without shark cages or any other assistance http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-31/open-water-swimmer-chloe-mccardel/4448222 |
| 21:29.40 | Fisker | i'm confuzzled haste |
| 21:29.57 | bleeter | Fisker: no, you are Fisker. You are not confuzzled. |
| 21:30.05 | Fisker | is she hot bleeter ? |
| 21:30.29 | bleeter | depends if you dig ocean swimmers in bright pink speedos |
| 21:30.31 | bleeter | i guess |
| 21:30.57 | bleeter | at least, she's not covered in lard like most ocean swimmers I see on the telly |
| 21:30.58 | Fisker | so haste |
| 21:31.03 | Fisker | you has linnix with xbmc |
| 21:31.07 | Fisker | and you have tv |
| 21:31.16 | Fisker | and you want xbmc from linnix to miracast onto the tv? |
| 21:31.29 | bleeter | Fisker |
| 21:31.50 | Fisker | bleeter |
| 21:32.53 | Fisker | pls haste |
| 21:33.58 | haste | y Fisker |
| 21:34.03 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 21:34.06 | Fisker | then i understand |
| 21:34.37 | Fisker | but what you want to be looking for is something for linnix that does miracast |
| 21:34.43 | Fisker | xbmc has nothing to do with it technically |
| 21:36.29 | Fisker | anyway haste |
| 21:36.30 | Fisker | goodbye |
| 21:36.35 | Fisker | and i hope you don't die tonight |
| 21:37.03 | haste | probably won't, party here after all! |
| 21:39.09 | Fisker | well then i do hope you die |
| 21:39.22 | Fisker | just to balance the odds |
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| 21:44.12 | bleeter | kd3: this is for you http://thepossumdrop.com/ |
| 21:45.18 | bleeter | damn that's some fine website design |
| 21:45.52 | durcyn | frontpage '98 never looked so good |
| 21:52.50 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Iv08E.jpg hey those almost look like they're in the right general area |
| 21:53.25 | Semlar | now i just need to figure out why there's a bunch of duplicates |
| 21:53.26 | nevcairiel | you seem to have a duplication problem |
| 21:53.36 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:54.22 | Semlar | i think i'm giving names to things i shouldn't be but i'm not sure why |
| 21:55.15 | End_ | heh, The Drag The Drag The Drag |
| 21:55.44 | Semlar | i think it's because those buildings are in the drag and possibly inheriting the terrain's name |
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| 21:58.14 | nevcairiel | that should be easy enough to filter |
| 21:58.46 | Semlar | i mean there really are a bunch of entries for it in the dbc file http://i.imgur.com/p41d6.jpg |
| 22:00.09 | Semlar | 5758 is the "root" object which is basically orgrimmar, and 27507-27532 are like ids for the subobjects |
| 22:01.25 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the name column is what you get in the minimap zone text when you step onto one of the objects |
| 22:02.33 | Semlar | like, when i enter one of these houses that just says "Orgrimmar" it actually pops up that zone text like i'm entering a new zone even though i was just in orgrimmar |
| 22:05.21 | Semlar | normally i'm pretty sure one of these columns indicates that it uses the terrain's name |
| 22:05.30 | Semlar | i'm just not sure which |
| 22:08.45 | Semlar | i should really start documenting some of this stuff because none of it makes any sense |
| 22:16.28 | tlund | Semlar: what are you working on? |
| 22:17.03 | Semlar | i'm trying to map all the objects in the game that have their own "names" |
| 22:17.29 | Semlar | mostly the zone text of buildings when you walk into them |
| 22:17.54 | Semlar | it's a lot more complicated than it sounds |
| 22:18.33 | TC-work | If it was easy, it would have been done already |
| 22:18.49 | Semlar | that's probably true |
| 22:19.36 | TC-work | It tends to be, especially with a group of people that have 'laziness' as a virtue.... |
| 22:20.56 | Semlar | i'm not really sure how useful this will even be but now it's sort of a puzzle i need to complete |
| 22:22.11 | Semlar | i clearly don't have every point either, since grommash hold isn't on here |
| 22:23.31 | Semlar | oh, i think that's because it's on a different tile |
| 22:23.59 | Semlar | i should try generating a complete list |
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| 23:00.22 | zenzelezz | so far, 2013 is a big disappointment |
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| 23:01.10 | nevcairiel | i agree |
| 23:01.18 | nevcairiel | all this noise is rather disruptive |
| 23:01.56 | zenzelezz | indeed |
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| 23:40.31 | cbreak | 0, 1, 2, 3 |
| 23:40.47 | cbreak | you won't see such a year for many years |
| 23:41.13 | nevcairiel | just 28 years |
| 23:41.22 | nevcairiel | er |
| 23:41.23 | nevcairiel | 18 |
| 23:41.30 | nevcairiel | cant calc |
| 23:41.54 | Adys | My bank is awesome. |
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