| 00:06.36 | Ackis | heh I just got bindings off of the rock duder |
| 00:06.57 | kd3 | the left binding |
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| 00:24.50 | karl_w_w | VIad just code for your favourite browser and if it breaks in other browsers blame the browser and the people who choose to use it, thats how every1 else seems to do it :P |
| 00:32.15 | karl_w_w | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/249366-why-was-my-thread-locked/ lol |
| 00:49.43 | Wobin | VIad: The header refresh is supported by all major browsers, I believe |
| 00:50.12 | Wobin | Meta is probably safer |
| 00:50.17 | Wobin | JS can be bypassed |
| 00:55.34 | mikma | am i the only one that doesn't understand all the hype about tardis and dr no and ... |
| 00:56.15 | TC-work | yes? |
| 00:56.20 | mikma | good |
| 00:56.32 | TC-work | Although i only saw season 1 and 2 myself |
| 00:56.49 | TC-work | preferred 1 because he was more of an asshole., |
| 00:56.54 | TC-work | -, |
| 00:57.42 | mikma | so you like asshole maincharacters? |
| 00:57.56 | mikma | who's your favorite asshole? |
| 00:58.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster: watched DW this monring |
| 00:58.05 | Adys | morning |
| 00:58.14 | TC-work | Do movies count? because i think stark is a strong contender |
| 00:58.35 | TC-work | Not sure i have a favorite however. |
| 00:58.41 | TC-work | I mean, house is up there as well |
| 00:58.50 | mikma | tc-work: yeah, let's count them. stark.. na he turned out to be good :P |
| 00:59.06 | mikma | i'm so waiting for the deadpool movie :D |
| 00:59.22 | mikma | RR might make that character work so good |
| 00:59.38 | TC-work | mikma: good is not an antithesis of asshole. |
| 00:59.49 | nevcairiel | Adys: so what are you thinking about the new companion? |
| 00:59.59 | Adys | nevcairiel: I like her a lot |
| 01:00.10 | Adys | Im not completely sure about the way she was introduced |
| 01:00.30 | mikma | tc-work: people can't be assholes and good persons, they can be only one |
| 01:00.40 | Adys | I liked the ep though, it dealt a bit in the absurd dw style but stuck to being serious |
| 01:00.51 | Adys | and I absolutely loved where/how the tardis was parked |
| 01:01.01 | Adys | Like the new tardis too |
| 01:01.04 | TC-work | mikma: not true at all. |
| 01:01.07 | nevcairiel | the whole back-story with the girl manifestation of a crazed daleks mind is a bit...odd |
| 01:01.26 | Adys | Yeah i wasnt sure whether its something that had already aired or not |
| 01:01.29 | mikma | tc-work: was dr.house good person? nooooo! |
| 01:01.40 | TC-work | stark is though |
| 01:01.45 | nevcairiel | its asylum of the daleks |
| 01:01.54 | TC-work | and he is an asshole |
| 01:02.19 | nevcairiel | but i agree, she seems like a good fit, just the right amount of crazy herself |
| 01:02.43 | Adys | ill need to rewatch that stuff to get a grip on it |
| 01:04.24 | foxlit | summary: died twice already. Next companion. |
| 01:04.38 | Arrowmaster | im wondering if the doctor is going to eat her soufflé |
| 01:05.00 | nevcairiel | well he never answered if there is in fact a kitchen in the tardis :P |
| 01:05.02 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: meh rory managed to die 3 times in a single episode |
| 01:05.21 | nevcairiel | so the big question, when the hell does it continue? |
| 01:05.23 | foxlit | the storytelling style of "let's throw stuff that doesn't make sense at you and explain our way out of it in the next episodes" is rather meh |
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| 01:13.12 | Adys | foxlit: have to agree on that |
| 01:13.44 | Adys | I prefer subtle signs in early eps, foreshadowing, the kind thats not noticed until a finale |
| 01:15.03 | foxlit | bad wolf, the tapping rhythm, etc. |
| 01:15.10 | Adys | indeed |
| 01:15.18 | foxlit | not "let's shoot the doctor in the first episode!" |
| 01:15.26 | Adys | yeah |
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| 01:50.10 | karl_w_w | mikma: sure people can be good and an asshole |
| 01:52.27 | iShirik | Is jnwhiteh around? Or some other apple guru? I need opinion on to apple care or not to AppleCare. |
| 01:53.10 | Adys | Not to applecare |
| 01:53.21 | Adys | what are you buying? |
| 01:53.42 | iShirik | I just got an ipad |
| 01:53.51 | Adys | Not to applecare |
| 01:53.57 | Adys | also get rid of it and get a nexus |
| 01:54.03 | iShirik | I'm mostly worried about accidental damage |
| 01:54.32 | karl_w_w | i agree with adys completely |
| 01:54.34 | Adys | aren't you supposed to have a default warranty for 2 years? |
| 01:54.41 | Adys | or is that europe only? |
| 01:54.44 | karl_w_w | ring the bells, armageddon is coming |
| 01:54.49 | iShirik | 1 year and not covering accidental damage |
| 01:55.06 | karl_w_w | lol 1 year |
| 01:55.07 | Adys | tbh |
| 01:55.12 | karl_w_w | love people who dont know their rights |
| 01:55.22 | Adys | Accidental damage to me is just part of the deal |
| 01:55.33 | Adys | it's part of the whole "life sucks, move along" |
| 01:55.48 | iShirik | Technically mine becomes two but that's not the point |
| 02:00.12 | TC-work | http://www.indiegogo.com/emukey?c=home I wonder how that would affect wow |
| 02:01.35 | karl_w_w | not well |
| 02:02.13 | TC-work | On the other hand, it doesn't look like it is going to get funded |
| 02:05.55 | karl_w_w | cos it's so edge-case |
| 02:17.30 | TC-work | wow, interplays stock is at .01 |
| 02:17.33 | TC-work | per share |
| 02:25.16 | Dagmar | You can make those *now* acutally |
| 02:28.31 | TC-work | Sure you can, but can you just go out and buy one? |
| 02:32.34 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 02:32.45 | Dagmar | Actually, you *might* |
| 02:33.00 | Dagmar | Sparkfun sells all kinds of kits, and there's a ton of Arduino stuff out there. |
| 02:33.54 | Dagmar | I've seen at least one device for sale that randomly moves a persons mouse and occasionally types words and/or inserts typos, just to torment the user. |
| 02:46.38 | Arrowmaster | at that low why hasnt somebody bought them out |
| 02:47.06 | Arrowmaster | just for the old archive |
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| 02:48.51 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: there is a indegogo looking to do just that ish |
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| 03:19.26 | karl_w_w | TC-work: yeah, but that indiegogo campaign is crippled by appauling grammar |
| 03:19.54 | TC-work | karl_w_w: It's also crippled by stupidity. |
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| 04:35.30 | VIad | I love databases :3 |
| 04:35.48 | VIad | tables with foreign keys, automatical clean up when the parents are deleted ^^ |
| 04:42.45 | karl_w_w | i wish i could delete my parents |
| 04:43.14 | TC-work | Do you, do you really? |
| 04:43.24 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 04:43.43 | karl_w_w | do you? |
| 04:45.41 | Jamash | takes a snapshot of karl_w_w's parents |
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| 04:56.59 | kd3 | I think I want this on my desk whenever I find myself in a position in charge of people: http://i.imgur.com/LZp09.jpg |
| 04:57.26 | Adys | hm |
| 04:57.28 | Adys | http://dedimine.com/ |
| 04:57.31 | Adys | this resolves for anyone? |
| 04:58.00 | kd3 | http://pastebin.com/xVgjeECk |
| 04:58.28 | Adys | kd3: I mean under http |
| 04:58.32 | Adys | dedimine.com resolves fine |
| 04:58.44 | kd3 | neg. chrome timed out |
| 04:59.19 | kd3 | wireshark sees me sending syms but isn't getting a response back from 86.6.208.49 |
| 04:59.29 | kd3 | s/syms/syns/ |
| 05:00.37 | Adys | Ok someone figure this out for me please |
| 05:00.43 | Adys | it resolves under http://localhost |
| 05:00.53 | kd3 | what's your firewall say? |
| 05:01.19 | Adys | I dont have any iptables rules |
| 05:01.23 | Adys | just some crap to fix youtube |
| 05:01.43 | Adys | you think it might get blocked at the router? |
| 05:02.09 | kd3 | my last hops are 82.3.36.238 and 82.3.35.118 (*.network.virginmedia.net) |
| 05:02.21 | kd3 | try doing it on a nonstandard port? (81? 8080?) |
| 05:02.34 | Adys | no i think i know |
| 05:02.42 | Semlar|Mobile | was there a patch recently? |
| 05:02.43 | kd3 | are you forwarding port 80 in your router? |
| 05:02.46 | kd3 | no |
| 05:03.05 | Adys | No i know whats up |
| 05:03.13 | Adys | I switched to eth0 instead of eth1 to fix some systemd crap |
| 05:03.16 | Adys | and now im 86.6.208.49 |
| 05:03.21 | Adys | so I lost the DMZ |
| 05:03.27 | Semlar|Mobile | someone's reporting a problem with my cooldown addon and i'm not home to do anything about it |
| 05:04.16 | Semlar|Mobile | specifically on their priest |
| 05:04.43 | Semlar|Mobile | it's apparently reporting a 0.1 second cooldown on most of their spells for no apparent reason |
| 05:05.46 | Semlar|Mobile | it's probably just my sloppy coding |
| 05:45.31 | Semlar|Mobile | well, i don't know what's changed and don't actually have access to the game so this probably isn't getting fixed |
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| 06:07.08 | Ackis | okay got a new SSD: copied wow to it, symlinked my addons/wtf/logs/screenshots directory so they reside on a normal hard drive... that the proper thing to do? |
| 06:13.34 | karl_w_w | why not keep them on the ssd? |
| 06:13.39 | karl_w_w | especially the addon |
| 06:13.41 | karl_w_w | s |
| 06:14.34 | karl_w_w | addons are the largest part of loading screen so if ur not putting them on ur ssd it seems a bit pointless to have one :P |
| 06:14.50 | Ackis | karl_w_w: what about git repos? |
| 06:16.16 | Ackis | don't I have to worry about using up read/writes? |
| 06:20.13 | karl_w_w | writes |
| 06:20.24 | karl_w_w | reads arent a problem |
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| 06:28.56 | Semlar|Mobile | writes are a non-issue with modern ssds |
| 07:07.47 | Neffi | My beer and I have become so well acquainted, it speaks to me http://i.imgur.com/Xm7eu.jpg |
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| 07:38.25 | Thunder_Child | LAX is like LA traffic on steroids. |
| 07:39.59 | Corrodias | Los Angeles Xxxtreme |
| 07:40.15 | Thunder_Child | I shit you not it took me 20 min to go 1500 feet |
| 07:42.16 | Cairenn|afk | believes it |
| 07:42.46 | Thunder_Child | @ 9:30 PM no less |
| 07:42.56 | Thunder_Child | this wasn't exactly rush hour |
| 07:43.19 | Thunder_Child | well, there is a misnomer, 'hour' my ass. |
| 07:43.28 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 07:50.15 | Cairenn|afk | 'rush' is rather a misnomer as well |
| 07:53.26 | Thunder_Child | I think that refers to everyone rushing to get home |
| 07:53.38 | Thunder_Child | but yea, i know what you mean |
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| 08:17.10 | karl_w_w | i think it refers to the sudden inflow of traffic |
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| 08:47.22 | karl_w_w | haha u can sit down during pet battles |
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| 09:22.31 | Mr_Rabies | neffi: protip for removing labels if you wanna get serious |
| 09:22.51 | Mr_Rabies | soak the bottles in a warm water + oxyclean free solution |
| 09:23.13 | Mr_Rabies | they basically slip off fully in tact |
| 09:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | intact* |
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| 10:25.56 | karl_w_w | just wiped on spine :D |
| 10:26.19 | Mr_Rabies | solo? D: |
| 10:26.30 | karl_w_w | no, 25 normal |
| 10:26.36 | karl_w_w | first roll |
| 10:26.57 | Mr_Rabies | how many in the raid? :O |
| 10:26.59 | karl_w_w | ppl killed all the tentacles and the one we stacked on repopped just as he rolled |
| 10:27.13 | karl_w_w | like 23 in raid lol |
| 10:27.37 | mckenziemc | silly aussies |
| 10:29.13 | karl_w_w | i did ancient portal dalaran after so its ok |
| 10:29.29 | Mr_Rabies | ha |
| 10:29.40 | Mr_Rabies | we...4 manned it on normal i think |
| 10:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | maybe 5 |
| 10:29.56 | Mr_Rabies | our tank needed one more piece for his rogue alt |
| 10:30.33 | Mr_Rabies | no wait we did 10 man it i think |
| 10:30.35 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 10:30.39 | Mr_Rabies | we broke madness |
| 10:30.55 | Mr_Rabies | we killed two tentacles at once and it responded by putting the fire tentacle things everywhere |
| 10:31.05 | Mr_Rabies | the ones that impale the tanks |
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| 10:32.23 | mckenziemc | hey Torhal |
| 10:32.26 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 11:23.52 | mikma | rtharper: huomenta |
| 11:24.10 | rtharper | hyvää huomenta =) |
| 11:25.11 | Fisker | moonspeak |
| 11:25.35 | rtharper | would you prefer sami? |
| 11:25.38 | rtharper | Buorre beaivvi! |
| 11:26.06 | mikma | hah |
| 11:26.38 | rtharper | or perhaps Greenlandic |
| 11:26.43 | rtharper | Iterluarit |
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| 11:28.44 | rtharper | Fisker: Don't all Danish people speak Greenlandic? It is a Danish colony, after all |
| 11:28.53 | rtharper | And of course Faroese |
| 11:30.06 | Fisker | no rtharper |
| 11:30.17 | rtharper | disappointing |
| 11:30.24 | Fisker | otherwise we would have school shootings every few days |
| 11:30.54 | rtharper | OUCH |
| 11:38.35 | karl_w_w | scribblenauts is good |
| 11:38.48 | karl_w_w | "give me something to perform surgery with" |
| 11:38.58 | karl_w_w | makes "sharp sausage" |
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| 12:13.30 | Fisker | haste |
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| 12:20.25 | haste | Fisker |
| 12:21.25 | Fisker | server 2012 was a boss |
| 12:21.27 | Fisker | amazing right? |
| 12:22.01 | Server2012 | begins casting Apocolypse. |
| 12:22.10 | Server2012 | 's Apocolypse has missed. |
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| 13:29.24 | Adys | One can argue maybe the game was better when everyone didn't have the expectation of BiS in every slot... |
| 13:29.29 | Adys | OH. |
| 13:29.32 | Adys | WELL THEN. |
| 13:30.03 | Adys | I have *no* idea whose fault that was. HUH? |
| 13:30.04 | Kaylin | :P |
| 13:30.14 | Kaylin | kt's |
| 13:30.18 | Kaylin | blames naxx |
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| 14:40.39 | mckenziemc | well that was a lovely WSG |
| 14:41.04 | mckenziemc | my team wanted to fight the alliance by their GY even though they had last cap |
| 14:41.29 | mckenziemc | plus i couldn't hold eth flag in our base because all the healers wanted to fight by the alliance GY too, so i had to go to them |
| 14:42.24 | mckenziemc | at least no one called me a bad for not heading to death in our FR that time :-\ |
| 14:44.16 | karl_w_w | thats what u get for playing horde |
| 14:46.48 | Neffi | ~larp karl_w_w |
| 14:46.48 | purl | ACTION dresses karl_w_w in tights and a tunic, and sends karl_w_w to a Renaissance Fair in Unicorn City |
| 14:47.00 | Neffi | That's what you look like when you play Alliance |
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| 15:16.09 | zenzelezz | I know this is very 1992, but I so love Data... www.youtube.com/watch?v=SySZdvsFYt4 |
| 15:17.45 | Neffi | lol |
| 15:25.10 | kullervo | I wonder why the curse updater never seems to update any settings across my machines |
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| 16:00.02 | Adys | PHYSICAL PRODUCTS ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE ON THE EUROPEAN VERSION OF THE STORE. FOR MORE INFORMATION, INCLUDING HOW YOU CAN GET A BATTLE.NET AUTHENTICATOR, CLICK HERE. |
| 16:00.03 | Adys | what? |
| 16:00.15 | Adys | when the fuck did this happen |
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| 16:00.43 | Adys | and why the fuck right around xmas |
| 16:11.18 | Fisker | old Adys |
| 16:11.23 | Fisker | it was a few weeks ago |
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| 16:17.59 | cbreak | so, what now? |
| 16:18.04 | cbreak | authenticator software? |
| 16:18.11 | cbreak | now that's a security gain... |
| 16:18.58 | cbreak | probably on one of those permanently-network-attached devices that are almost never behind a firewall, and are regularly found to be easily exploited... those... "Smart" Phones... |
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| 16:36.12 | kullervo | still better than no authenticator |
| 16:36.43 | kullervo | obviously if the fact it's not a standalone device bothers you so much you don't really know much of security |
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| 16:39.07 | Amarande | hm. honest opinion. am I being paranoid or is Blizzard trying to encourage people to play just a main rather than have lots of alts? |
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| 16:42.11 | kullervo | how would that be paranoid... and that is a difficult question |
| 16:43.07 | kullervo | see while the current daily system promotes having a main, we've had that sort of a system before since tbc. |
| 16:43.56 | kullervo | then you have to consider that they've added many things which make having alts easier, such as new heirlooms (which they're adding more of), and buffs which increase rep and "dungeon point" gains of your alts. |
| 16:48.02 | Amarande | kullervo: however, many of the heirlooms cost justice points (which now you will be even more loath than ever to spend due to the item upgrade system meaning you'll need to keep several thousand more for your main than you used to need) |
| 16:48.27 | Amarande | and you also have to do nearly all of Pandaria on each character, unless you have many said heirlooms or you do a lot of dailies and archaeology on every alt |
| 16:48.47 | Amarande | I'm about 88 and a half on my mage and still in V4W, but that's because I DO do lots of dailies and archaeology on my mage :) |
| 16:49.19 | kullervo | heirlooms aren't effective while leveling in Pandaria :( |
| 16:49.20 | Amarande | (Indeed, if you just do quests and do no dungeons or dailies, people have reported trouble even getting *to* 90, because comments suggest you run out of quests in the pre-90 areas at 88 or 89) |
| 16:50.12 | Amarande | And on the good side, you have the pet and mount system that means you have the same pets and mounts available on every alt, so you can use your battle pets team no matter who you're on at the time |
| 16:50.40 | Amarande | On the bad side, this also means there's that much less for each alt to actually do, since you've already got a lot of the achievements and mounts (and if not the achievement, typically the main reason to run old content is the rare mount) |
| 16:51.31 | Amarande | We started discussing this "are they pushing us away from altitis?" thing in guild chat earlier today, after a guildie was talking about heirlooms |
| 16:52.09 | SuperPortia | Any tricks for getting the names of types of zones, dungeon zones and raid zones from in game? |
| 16:52.49 | Amarande | But yeah, that's the worst thing. Heirlooms cost oodles of JP, and if you didn't buy them all out anticipatorially before, now you just don't really have JP to spare until you've not only fully leveled your main, but have fully upgraded all of their gear too |
| 16:54.31 | Dagmar | He's got it utterly backwards. |
| 16:54.37 | karl_w_w | they are trying to give every1 something to do even if they only have 1 character |
| 16:55.11 | karl_w_w | if you can't see how that reduces the will to level alts I can't help you any further |
| 16:56.27 | Dagmar | Oh noes! I can't play the toon I don't want to play while I'm playing the toon I do want to play! |
| 16:56.35 | karl_w_w | ok it's nearly 1am |
| 16:56.44 | karl_w_w | why the fuck is the temperature increasing? |
| 16:57.11 | Dagmar | To act like being able to spend points on your main somehow interferes with progression of the toons you clearly have a lower priority is just insanity. |
| 17:02.12 | karl_w_w | the weather here has just been feckin ridiculous the last few days, they've predicted thunderstorms 3 days in a row and there hasn't been a drop |
| 17:03.02 | karl_w_w | all we've had is moderate cloud buildup in the evening to keep everything nice and warm going into the next day |
| 17:03.30 | karl_w_w | so what was originally going to be 3 days of 40 degrees is now heading towards over a week |
| 17:04.12 | karl_w_w | blames global warming |
| 17:04.52 | Amarande | karl: you're complaining about it being above freezing in the winter? |
| 17:05.05 | cbreak | http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/12/why-european-forecasters-saw-sandys-path-first/ |
| 17:05.09 | cbreak | weather prediction is hard. |
| 17:05.10 | Amarande | I kind of like having fewer days a year where I have to worry about whether I'm going to be able to make it to work in the horribad weather |
| 17:06.02 | Amarande | I get paid by the hour. If I have to call out of work because the NHL could play on the road between here and there, the ice literally eats away at my paycheck. :p |
| 17:06.08 | karl_w_w | cos we all live north of the equator am i right? and we all use a temperature scale based on the freezing point of an arbitary concentration of brine am i right? |
| 17:06.25 | Amarande | karl: ouch |
| 17:06.49 | Amarande | you mean 40 as in that "feeling like you live in BRD in real life" temperature, right? :) |
| 17:06.57 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 17:07.02 | cbreak | what brine? |
| 17:07.11 | cbreak | sane people obviously use K. |
| 17:07.14 | karl_w_w | farenheit's brine |
| 17:07.18 | karl_w_w | spelling |
| 17:12.26 | Amarande | But, yeah, I tend to hate global warming in the summer too. |
| 17:12.42 | Amarande | In the winter, like I said, it's a godsend because of the aforementioned hourly work + snowout thing. |
| 17:13.20 | kullervo | I don't think you really notice the 2-3 degrees. |
| 17:13.47 | Amarande | Actually, I've noticed we've been getting a lot less snow the last few years (although we seem to get one unusually severe storm every year now *sigh*) |
| 17:14.11 | Amarande | OTOH, the summer heat waves can gtfo |
| 17:14.19 | Amarande | That, or I'll just have to move to Oregon. :) |
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| 17:14.42 | Amarande | I remember last year I went to Portland for a week and managed to come back east *right into* the huge July heat wave. |
| 17:14.56 | Amarande | In Oregon, they didn't even GET said heat wave, not that you'd feel anyway. |
| 17:22.19 | Amarande | But then it hit me like a brick the moment I stepped off the plane in Atlanta on the stopover on the way back home, and it was even well after dark at the time |
| 17:22.33 | Amarande | it was even significantly hot when I got back to New York City that trip, and that was after midnight :| |
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| 17:31.38 | Amarande | Let's put it this way, karl. It was hot enough last year that I wasn't even all that pissed off in the end to have had to spend 60 bucks to get back to the bus station from the airport when I had planned to spend only 7 on such transit. :P |
| 17:31.50 | Amarande | So yeah, we're getting whomped with it up here too in recent summers. :| |
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| 18:09.19 | mckenziemc | cool story Amarande |
| 18:09.28 | mckenziemc | maybe you should write a book about it |
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| 18:15.43 | Semlar|Mobile | herro |
| 18:16.19 | TC-work | ~lart Semlar|Mobile |
| 18:16.19 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Semlar|Mobile's pants |
| 18:16.33 | Semlar|Mobile | gritty |
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| 18:18.21 | TC-work | hmm...seems i am up to ~$180 on this steam sale >.< |
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| 18:18.47 | Arrowmaster | i dont think im that bad but im probably over $100 |
| 18:20.09 | Unkle1 | Damn it Freenode, Y U incrementing me? |
| 18:22.05 | Semlar|Mobile | increments unkle |
| 18:22.28 | Semlar|Mobile | unkle++ |
| 18:23.47 | Unkle1 | As long as I don't buffer overflow I guess... |
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| 18:29.04 | TC-work | Why not just nick your name back? |
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| 18:40.14 | karl_w_w | http://www.weatherzone.com.au/station.jsp?lt=site&lc=9225&list=ob the weather just does not know wtf it's doing |
| 18:40.47 | TC-work | it's AU, I suspect that's normal |
| 18:41.09 | karl_w_w | it's mixed up it's night and day and thinks it's supposed to get warmer at 2am cos the sun is beating down |
| 18:41.12 | karl_w_w | or something |
| 18:41.31 | TC-work | that's 2 pm |
| 18:41.43 | TC-work | it spikes at 1300 |
| 18:42.00 | TC-work | well, that's 1 pm |
| 18:42.25 | TC-work | if it was 2 am it would be 0200 |
| 18:46.05 | karl_w_w | it is |
| 18:46.35 | karl_w_w | as in, it also spikes at 0200 |
| 18:55.00 | karl_w_w | back up to 28.7 |
| 18:55.37 | karl_w_w | so in 3 hours since 11:40 the temperature hasn't dropped |
| 18:56.19 | TC-work | the lowest temp on that chart is 25 |
| 18:56.22 | TC-work | 24* |
| 18:56.31 | TC-work | .4 |
| 18:56.41 | TC-work | you are talking about a 4.3 deg diff |
| 18:57.07 | TC-work | which can be affected by a number of things |
| 18:57.55 | TC-work | for example, If the temp sensors are land based then heavy cloud cover will increase the temp reading due to reflecting the heat back. |
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| 19:13.57 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/cYGt8.jpg |
| 19:14.18 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:22.35 | zenzelezz | looks like the average cat |
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| 19:22.52 | zenzelezz | if it can be climbed, it must be climbed |
| 19:25.05 | Amarande | hm. any way to keep Ambush from triggering a BugSack warning every time when using BT? |
| 19:25.37 | Amarande | hm. actually looks like it's SUF that's being blamed, odd |
| 19:28.46 | Amarande | ah well. doesn't seem to affect my ability to fight on the new rogue, anyway :S |
| 19:29.02 | Amarande | btw, did they nerf the appearance rate of rare wild pets or am I just not lucky today? |
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| 19:46.31 | haste | anyone happen to have an ingress invite? :3 |
| 19:51.19 | Gnarfoz | or 2 |
| 19:51.24 | Dagmar | lol |
| 19:51.38 | haste | :D |
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| 19:51.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's a lot of areas that now have more spawns or less spawns depending on the time of day |
| 19:51.58 | Dagmar | That's probably part of what you're seeing |
| 19:52.12 | Dagmar | As to Ingress invites... LOL |
| 19:52.19 | Dagmar | I can suggest how to _get_ one tho'. |
| 19:52.29 | TC-work | Are kneepads needed? |
| 19:52.55 | Dagmar | Basically, you have to get Niantic's attention. |
| 19:53.07 | TC-work | So yes. |
| 19:53.22 | Dagmar | Go follow their Google+ page and the next bit of storyline media they drop, grab the thing and start looking for the hidden whatever and then *post something about it*. |
| 19:53.26 | Dagmar | That's how I got my invite. |
| 19:53.47 | Dagmar | Otherwise, break out Photoshop/Gimp and work a niantic/resistance/enlightnement logo into something. |
| 19:53.57 | Dagmar | Posting artwork like that is also just about guaranteed to get you onw |
| 19:54.09 | Dagmar | beyond that blowjobs would require you know who to blow |
| 19:54.47 | TC-work | I'm sure you can work your way up |
| 19:56.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: not that, though. I'm not seeing a shortage of any specific type of pet, at least not yet |
| 19:56.17 | Amarande | however, it seems a lot more of them used to be blue than seem to be now |
| 19:57.25 | End_ | there's a weird bug where sometimes when it spawns pets it spawns multiple groups with the same composition and quality |
| 19:58.38 | Dagmar | Well, that's a matter of *where* you're hunting pets |
| 19:58.47 | Dagmar | In the Badlands, fire beetles are not rare in the least. |
| 19:58.59 | Dagmar | I got three blue ones in the space of fifteen minutes |
| 19:59.13 | Dagmar | It was that way for a few days. |
| 19:59.19 | Dagmar | I don't know about since. |
| 19:59.30 | Dagmar | it's not like I'm going ot need more than three of them |
| 19:59.51 | Dagmar | What I find more interesting is that some of the pets are clearly very bugged during combat. |
| 20:00.33 | Dagmar | Fluxfire kitten in Dun Morogh, for one example. It hits, _regularly_ for far more than it should. |
| 20:00.42 | Dagmar | I *think* it's a bug in Prowl. |
| 20:01.05 | Dagmar | It says yer next attack is supposed to do 150% damage but I think it's actually *adding* 150% damage. |
| 20:01.28 | End_ | dunno, but fluxfire kitten is getting nerfed in 5.2 though |
| 20:01.46 | Dagmar | I've got a screenshot of this level 5 robocat slamming a bunny for 594 damage. |
| 20:02.20 | Dagmar | I don't think it needs to be nerfed as much as it's just hitting for more than it should |
| 20:02.24 | Amarande | Fluxfire kitten? I've only seen Snow Cubs, Rabbits, and Alpine Hares in Dun Morogh |
| 20:02.34 | Amarande | or is that the name for some or other FOTM team combo? |
| 20:02.39 | Dagmar | Go to the newbie gnome area and circle the slime pits for awhile |
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| 20:04.17 | Dagmar | I saw the same thing going on with one of my other feline pets when I used Prowl |
| 20:10.22 | Dagmar | When you get one, go attack some stuff and do a wind-up, prowl, wind-up, and then try and reconcile the unholy levels of damage it did with what it says on the tin. |
| 20:11.25 | Dagmar | It may be that they mean for Prowl to make the next attack do 250% damage, but that just tells me that someone making decisions has never played Pokemon before. |
| 20:11.56 | Amarande | oh wow, that makes Cinder Kitten kind of broken, doesn't it :) |
| 20:12.01 | Dagmar | ...but that's not a problem with the fluxfire kitten, it's a problem with Prowl |
| 20:12.08 | Dagmar | Cinder Kitten has the same moves? |
| 20:12.11 | Amarande | to the point almost of making the lower levels of pet battles being pay to win, practically heh |
| 20:12.13 | Amarande | WORSE. |
| 20:12.20 | Amarande | Most cats you have to level to 20 to get Prowl. |
| 20:12.26 | Amarande | Cinder kitty gets it at level FOUR. |
| 20:13.40 | Dagmar | Fluxfire Feline starts with it |
| 20:14.08 | Dagmar | ...but either way being able to jack an attack up by 250% means it's *going* to one-shot things. |
| 20:14.27 | Fisker | hey Amarande |
| 20:14.28 | Fisker | not so hey Dagmar |
| 20:14.46 | Mr_Rabies | Originally created by the engineers in the bowels of Gnomergon, the Fluxfire Feline is a marvel of modern engineering. |
| 20:14.50 | Mr_Rabies | >Gnomergon |
| 20:15.50 | Dagmar | I think they probably need to make wind-up the alternative move for prowl or something |
| 20:16.08 | Dagmar | Both appear to be 250% basic attack damage |
| 20:16.48 | Dagmar | Either way I'm trying to get that little bastard to 25 as quick as I can. ;) |
| 20:17.54 | Mr_Rabies | leveling your first set of pets is kind of a pain |
| 20:18.14 | Mr_Rabies | i got mine to like level 10 or so and got bored |
| 20:19.47 | Dagmar | Screw doing that |
| 20:20.06 | Dagmar | Get three blue pets somewhere. If they're level 7, go use them to fight and capture level 10s. |
| 20:20.27 | Dagmar | If you use type advantages, you will win, regularly. You now have three level 10s capable of taking out three level 13s. |
| 20:20.42 | Dagmar | Rinse, repeat. it doesn't slow down until you get near 20. |
| 20:23.45 | Dagmar | I *think* maybe what's happening is it's doing ( base * 1.5 ) for wind-up being in effect, then * 1.1 for wind-up's modifier for being a two-part move, and then multiplying the entire thing by 2.5 for prowl, when it should probably just be adding 150% to the basic attack. |
| 20:24.26 | Dagmar | If they reduce any of those abilities it'll just break other pets, and they're already screwing up with the gratuitous miss chance increase |
| 20:25.27 | Dagmar | Wind-up and prowl together are very OP, but it's hard to argue a robot cat shouldn't have those |
| 20:32.32 | Unkle1 | This is the "team" I'm leveling right now. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kirin-tor/Unkle/pet#status=is-collected |
| 20:33.09 | Unkle1 | I tried a few of the Undead types, but they seem to get pwnt a lot. |
| 20:34.51 | Dagmar | Stop using them against critter types |
| 20:35.15 | Unkle1 | At the low levels, critters are mostly what you face. |
| 20:35.28 | Dagmar | yeah that's why you kinda gimp 'em |
| 20:35.41 | End_ | once you get max level pets, it becomes wayyy easier to level pets |
| 20:36.01 | End_ | especially now that higher level pets don't leech exp |
| 20:36.02 | Dagmar | By which I mean if you have a L5 undead, you go find the L9-L10 trainer, and put him in there first, along with two other pets that can clear the rest of his on their own |
| 20:36.08 | Unkle1 | Yeah, I usually only can deal with pet battles for about an hour. |
| 20:36.25 | Dagmar | Let him suck it up for one round, just enough to count him being there, and swap him out. |
| 20:36.38 | Dagmar | With the trainers involved there's five times the exp |
| 20:36.52 | Amarande | Ah ... yeah, Cinder Kitty doesn't have Wind-Up that I can see |
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| 20:37.01 | Amarande | although, otoh, prowl at level 4 is pretty sick |
| 20:37.04 | Dagmar | Cinder-Kitty isn't mechanical is why |
| 20:37.14 | Dagmar | Prowl is just OP as fuck |
| 20:37.23 | Amarande | keeping in mind that regular cats don't get it till *20* |
| 20:37.34 | Dagmar | Note that your "basic" claw attack is 20 at level one. |
| 20:38.27 | Dagmar | Wind-up, being a two-turn move to complete, gets a bonus to 45 points, so basically, 225% of basic damage, or 112% damage per round, plus the mentined 10% extra damage |
| 20:38.45 | Dagmar | Prowl is just plain hitting for 250% of whatever attack you used was |
| 20:38.46 | Amarande | bwuh. I really have got to figure out why SUF is triggering a bugsack alert every single time I Ambush |
| 20:39.24 | Dagmar | That'll one-shot everything but magic mobs if you are using a type advantage, and bring you damn close to doing so if you don't |
| 20:39.52 | Dagmar | Magic mobs are evil just because they'll always get three rounds. |
| 20:40.05 | Unkle1 | Which is why I'm leveling Legs. |
| 20:40.10 | Dagmar | Everything else you can potentially one-shot or two-shot |
| 20:40.41 | Dagmar | Unkle: You should lurk around Dalarn and getcha some nice books. :) |
| 20:40.49 | Dagmar | er the Dalaran Crater, acutally. |
| 20:40.59 | Unkle1 | Yeah, I will, eventually. |
| 20:41.08 | Dagmar | I finally got a blue one last night. |
| 20:41.19 | Dagmar | So.. Reading, Writing, and Theorycrafting. |
| 20:41.33 | Amarande | heh, actually, you can get magic mobs in two rounds. provided that the second round action is capturing them, anyway |
| 20:41.53 | Dagmar | Maybe hwne they let me cook and eat the extras. |
| 20:42.11 | Unkle1 | My home PC is misbehaving. It either drops off the network or it overheats, which is infuriating 'cause it's clean and well treated. I'm guessing the case fan is dying though. |
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| 20:42.24 | Unkle1 | Once I fix it, I'll do more pet battles. |
| 20:42.25 | Amarande | Unkle: sure it's not the RAM? |
| 20:42.36 | Dagmar | More likely the CPU's HSF is probably choking to death |
| 20:42.59 | Amarande | I get to wait until next year to finish my mage's cooking recipe list thanks to missing Day of the Dead and Pilgrim's Bounty due to RAM based issues :| |
| 20:43.04 | Dagmar | ...or if you got a Dell, it's probably because no one took the HSF off and removed the ridiculous excess of heat sink compound they used. |
| 20:43.07 | Unkle1 | Yeah, RAM is fine. And I just cleaned all the cooling units carefully. |
| 20:43.17 | Dagmar | Dell's assemblers seem to think you use the stuff like toothpaste. |
| 20:43.20 | Amarande | It's also why I will stick entirely to AMD processors now, at least as long as they're an option (seeing as some people are predicting the demise of AMD :S) |
| 20:43.58 | Dagmar | Then the HSF and CPU get hot, the stuff liquifies, and *runs out*. Now you have channels of serious air-gap screwing with your cooling. |
| 20:43.59 | Amarande | and heh, if AMD does go under, I'd probably actually blame the reliability of their processors for it :| |
| 20:44.06 | Dagmar | AMD isn't going under |
| 20:44.26 | Unkle1 | It was strange, because I hear the GPU and CPU fans kick into overdrive - but everything was nice and clean. Cool the box restart, everything is fine .. but network latency gets insanely high and then ... I'm disconnected from everything. |
| 20:44.27 | Amarande | yeah, they've pretty much predicted AMD's demise since Conroe and it's not happened yet |
| 20:44.32 | Amarande | how long ago was Conroe, anyway? :| |
| 20:45.10 | Amarande | A really big plus for AMD: You can actually *upgrade your RAM*, go figure |
| 20:45.11 | Unkle1 | My current box is an i3 - first gen. |
| 20:45.26 | Dagmar | AMD's plan is to not bother keeping up with Intel, because very few people buy the absolute zero-day-latest-and-fastest CPU when it comes out, but to instead sell the holy fuck out of wherever the middle of the bell-shaped curve is at the moment |
| 20:45.44 | Amarande | Yup. AMD processors are good enough to do what you're doing and they're RELIABLE. |
| 20:45.58 | Unkle1 | Oh, and on that note... time to hit the road. Gotta go set up an off site load of equipment for my boss. |
| 20:46.06 | Kalroth | uuuh |
| 20:46.11 | Amarande | My last AMD box lasted something like four years and change before the power surges with last year's big October snowstorm fried the mobo. |
| 20:46.22 | Dagmar | Intel could probably do better with their newer CPUs but they're relying on technical decisions being made about performance that make even my head hurt |
| 20:46.26 | Amarande | Even then, the CPU was still OK, it was clearly the mobo that had bit it |
| 20:46.35 | Kalroth | AMD got the APU market, thats pretty much it for desktops - Intel beats them on high, mid and low range |
| 20:46.47 | Kalroth | AMD is cheaper, that's about the only thing they got going |
| 20:46.56 | Amarande | Kalroth: also less finicky with regards to other parts |
| 20:47.08 | Dagmar | For people building systems with money, thta's pretty much everything, mna |
| 20:47.16 | Kalroth | no it isn't |
| 20:47.18 | Amarande | Sandy Bridge especially seems to have a lot of problems with that. I think if they named their architectures after cats, SB would have had to be Morris. |
| 20:47.24 | Dagmar | If you're building systems with client money or dot-commie dollars you buy Intel. |
| 20:47.28 | Kalroth | power consumption and features means a lot too |
| 20:47.36 | Dagmar | If you're building with your money or to sell to a customer you haven't seen yet, you go with cheapest. |
| 20:47.37 | Kalroth | and AMD is terrible with power consumption |
| 20:47.44 | Dagmar | Since when? |
| 20:47.56 | Kalroth | since forever? |
| 20:47.59 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 20:48.07 | Dagmar | I just retired a CPU that Intel never came close to |
| 20:48.20 | Kalroth | was it 6 years old? |
| 20:48.26 | Dagmar | Just about |
| 20:48.35 | Kalroth | good, time to get updated on AMD then |
| 20:48.38 | Dagmar | So forever for you is only one presidential term or something? |
| 20:49.00 | durcyn | let's have an internet dickfight about it |
| 20:49.02 | Dagmar | The one I upgraded to now isn't even terribly hungry |
| 20:49.18 | Kalroth | well if you want literal information, then go read up on it instead of basing your assumptions on 6 year old CPUs |
| 20:49.20 | Amarande | In fact, this is WHY I missed DotD and Pilgrim's. |
| 20:49.34 | Dagmar | Kalroth: A year has yet to go by where I didn't build at least one new machine |
| 20:49.45 | Amarande | I ended up with these horribad issues with being sent to Startup Repair nearly every cold boot. |
| 20:49.47 | Kalroth | sure, you use AMD so you upgrade more often |
| 20:49.50 | Dagmar | ...and i wasn't making an assumption. |
| 20:49.53 | Amarande | Tried another motherboard and upgrading to Windows 8. |
| 20:49.55 | Dagmar | No, I have a fuckload of computers. |
| 20:50.03 | Dagmar | The electric company LOVES me. |
| 20:50.08 | Amarande | Ended up not even being able to *POST* most of the time. Ended up replacing damn near every part in the computer trying to track down the problem. |
| 20:50.13 | Kalroth | sure, you use AMD so you need more computers for the same computing power! |
| 20:50.17 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:50.22 | Amarande | Spent $100 at the local computer chop shop, who pulled out two sticks of RAM and announced that they were bad. |
| 20:50.25 | Dagmar | I've been running a minimum of three machines at my house 24/7/365 for about fifteen years. |
| 20:50.38 | Dagmar | For about seven years or so it was seven machines. |
| 20:50.44 | Gnarfoz | that's nice for you |
| 20:50.49 | Amarande | Where I found out SB's faults was after this. I bought a new pair of RAM from TigerDirect since I figured, okay, bad RAM, let's replace it. |
| 20:50.57 | Dagmar | I do a lot of different things with these machines, acually. |
| 20:51.06 | Dagmar | One lives under my bed now. |
| 20:51.10 | Kalroth | Amarande: bad chipsets aren't unique for Intel :) |
| 20:51.13 | TC-work | Porn box? |
| 20:51.14 | Amarande | Replaced the declared-faulty RAM with a new pair of same brand, same spec DIMMs and it still wouldn't POST |
| 20:51.23 | Dagmar | Tc-Work: Mainly music actually |
| 20:51.23 | Amarande | Kalroth: keep in mind that since Sandy Bridge, the main memory controller is on the CPU die |
| 20:51.36 | TC-work | *wink wink* |
| 20:51.40 | Amarande | the motherboard BIOS seems to have *some* effect on things, but the mobo does not contain the main controller for RAM |
| 20:51.51 | Dagmar | Okay so music to fuck to, but things have been kinda dry lately. |
| 20:51.54 | Kalroth | Amarande: sure, but there's still a connection from the sockets to the chipset |
| 20:52.10 | TC-work | Use lube |
| 20:52.12 | Amarande | Oh, yeah. If I DID get it to POST, it would crash to power off the moment I put the RAM under heavy load. |
| 20:52.26 | Amarande | Now here's where it gets interesting: |
| 20:52.37 | Amarande | The RAM they pulled out at the chop shop? As you might have figured by now, *it wasn't bad*. |
| 20:52.54 | Amarande | In fact, I could use any one of the three 2x4GB pairs in the Sandy Bridge board just fine. |
| 20:52.58 | Dagmar | I think that would be hte point where you'd want to flip things around. Take a known good machine and start transplanting those parts into it until it stops working. |
| 20:53.18 | Amarande | However, attempting to use two such pairs (keep in mind that all three pairs are the same spec, brand, and capacity) would immediately lead to the POST failures. |
| 20:53.28 | Dagmar | Sounds like the CPU broke |
| 20:53.28 | Amarande | It didn't matter which two, either. |
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| 20:53.45 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, then I tried putting in my old i3-2100 in place of the i5-2400 I was using, and I got the SAME problems |
| 20:53.58 | Dagmar | Okay that's fucked up |
| 20:54.01 | Amarande | two different CPUs, two different mobos, both had issues with the 4x4GB setup, but none with 2x4GB |
| 20:54.15 | Mr_Rabies | i love unga ingoo but 99% of people seem to have no idea how to run it |
| 20:54.36 | Dagmar | Mr_Rabies: Too right |
| 20:54.36 | Kalroth | did you screw the cpu fan directly into the motherboard |
| 20:54.43 | Amarande | Then when I replaced the mobo and CPU altogether with a Gigabyte 970A-DS3 board and an AMD Phenom II X6 1045T processor? |
| 20:54.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's sooo fast with a good group |
| 20:54.53 | Dagmar | Kalroth: Of course not. You have to make some holes wiht a Dremel first. ;) |
| 20:55.05 | Amarande | Installed 16GB of RAM, ran memtest86+ for 24 hours, no errors, system runs stable as a rock now. |
| 20:55.06 | Kalroth | :P |
| 20:55.19 | Amarande | Apparently, with Intel, if you've got a certain amount of RAM and want to upgrade? Don't even THINK about it. |
| 20:55.28 | Kalroth | Amarande: so you replaced the motherboard AND cpu, and now it works?! |
| 20:55.30 | Amarande | You're going to throw away that existing RAM and buy a WHOLE NEW SET in the new desired configuration. |
| 20:55.37 | Dagmar | As a hunter, Unga Ingoo is annoying as hell. |
| 20:55.46 | Amarande | Kalroth: I changed from Intel to AMD and it now works, with the same RAM that was giving the Intel machine major fits |
| 20:55.56 | Dagmar | I know how to hold the beach without even trying hard, but then I get two people who can't PvE to save their own lives, literally. |
| 20:56.13 | Amarande | Apparently, SB's memory controller is so hypersensitive that it will often fail to work correctly with a 4-DIMM configuration unless all four DIMMs were bought as a four-stick kit |
| 20:56.15 | Kalroth | Amarande: keywords being "replaced the motherboard" |
| 20:56.23 | Dagmar | I'm like, if I could *just let the monkey* manage the beach, this would be great. |
| 20:56.31 | Amarande | If you have two sticks, forget about trying to get two more and upgrade to four sticks. Just throw out the two sticks and buy a four-stick kit. :p |
| 20:56.54 | Dagmar | Amarande: Nah, you just get good at reading the tiny little numbers on the chips |
| 20:57.16 | Amarande | Kalroth: I'd already replaced the motherboard during the Intel stage, it resulted in going from getting sent to Startup Repair every cold boot (due to memory corruption issues, apparently) to mostly not being able to POST at all |
| 20:57.34 | Dagmar | You can also widen/loosen the timings a bit to get around that |
| 20:57.46 | Kalroth | man i cant find it now, but i saw a picture where the cpu fan was screwed directly into the poor motherboard |
| 20:57.53 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 20:57.54 | Dagmar | evil |
| 20:58.02 | Amarande | Kalroth, I think that was actually standard in some cases |
| 20:58.06 | Amarande | some Pentium 4 fans, IIRC |
| 20:58.38 | Amarande | in fact, some such fans actually required you to have specific support for them in the chassis, as it didn't just go through the mobo, the fan actually screwed all the way into special holes in the chassis |
| 20:58.54 | Dagmar | AMD came pretty close to doing that |
| 20:58.54 | Kalroth | this was screwed through several of the lanes |
| 20:59.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, now AMD actually has better fan design than Intel |
| 20:59.23 | Dagmar | Now they've got a pretty serious bracket required on the mainboar to go behind the CPU socket |
| 20:59.30 | Amarande | I MUCH prefer the clip design of S939 and later to the push-pin design on Intel |
| 20:59.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, to be honest, they did have one spectacular fuckup |
| 21:00.05 | Amarande | the Intel pushpins far too easy get spread-eagle bent instead of going into the mobo hole & then it's a pain to ever get that fan to attach properly again |
| 21:00.19 | Dagmar | Around 2000 or so when they had the core basically sticking up in the middle of the CPU the size of a stamp? |
| 21:00.41 | Dagmar | A lot of heat sinks had this ring around them, and you could put the HSF on backwards. |
| 21:00.58 | Dagmar | ...which meant the nice metal ring was resting on about a mm-worth of two corners of the core. |
| 21:01.08 | Amarande | also, the recent Intel Core stock fans frequently have an issue with the power wire |
| 21:01.25 | Amarande | on many of them the wire is wound too tightly and the fan blades will catch on it during operation |
| 21:01.27 | Dagmar | Probably a better than 50% chance you were "done" once you did that, because it would break the corners off the core and send microfractures through it. |
| 21:01.53 | Kalroth | Amarande: did you at least try it with Linux or FreeBSD? maybe it was Windows 8 causing it |
| 21:01.54 | Amarande | heh, that was that one generation where you practically felt like you were going to crush the core to death putting the heatsink on as it was, wasn't it? |
| 21:02.11 | Amarande | Kalroth: the first mobo actually never saw Windows 8, it only had Windows 7 |
| 21:02.26 | Amarande | also, I booted into Knoppix quite a lot during the process of sussing out the issues |
| 21:02.27 | Dagmar | Oh there were others. The HSF mounts were always pretty damn tight, but in this case if you got it backwards you *would definitely* crush the CPU to death |
| 21:02.28 | Gnarfoz | lots and lots of cpus worked fine with "crumbled off" corners :D |
| 21:03.00 | Amarande | Gnarfoz: heh, a lot of the newer LGA CPUs actually work fine with bent or broken mobo pins, too |
| 21:03.17 | Amarande | it turns out that a very large percentage of the 1,100+ pins on an Intel CPU these days are just redundant power pins |
| 21:03.22 | Dagmar | Well, bent is fine as long as they wind up in the right hole. |
| 21:03.26 | Dagmar | Broken, not so much |
| 21:03.46 | Amarande | which means that a small number of such pins can be absent altogether and the CPU will still function |
| 21:03.49 | Dagmar | I will say that Intel makes one hell of a sideburns comb tho |
| 21:04.02 | Amarande | I'm very very much not fond of LGA sockets though |
| 21:04.11 | Amarande | It's another reason I prefer AMD |
| 21:04.13 | Dagmar | I used to use a nice P4 to groom my 'chops |
| 21:04.14 | Amarande | PGA > LGA, by far |
| 21:04.49 | Amarande | see, here's the thing. the part that's much more likely to get damaged is whichever piece has the pins on it. |
| 21:05.18 | Amarande | (in fact, as a rule, modern CPUs are enormously resistant to physical damage apart from ESD or something major enough to actually break the thing, which is really quite a lot of force) |
| 21:05.25 | Dagmar | well, yes. The fiddly pieces one can break off have a tendency to do just that. |
| 21:05.47 | Dagmar | that's why we're using ZIF sockets. |
| 21:05.48 | Amarande | Now, if you damage pins on the CPU, you just buy a new CPU and drop it in. |
| 21:06.01 | Amarande | You damage pins on the mobo, you have to take apart the whole damn rig to replace that. |
| 21:06.03 | Dagmar | ZIF as in Zero as in if you have to put any effort into it, you're probably about to fuck it up |
| 21:06.15 | Amarande | Therefore, it seems MUCH more logical that the pins ought to be on the CPU, not the mobo. |
| 21:06.27 | Gnarfoz | the sentence "the cpu should fall into the socket" should be on more mainboard manuals |
| 21:06.33 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 21:06.57 | Dagmar | I did not like the boards where you had to use your thumb to seat them |
| 21:07.04 | Dagmar | Not one damn bit, ever. |
| 21:07.04 | Amarande | Granted, the usual argument (the one Intel probably relied on, I suppose) is that the pins ought to be on the mobo rather than the CPU because the CPU costs a lot more to replace in most cases. |
| 21:07.23 | Gnarfoz | but then, current CPUs don't have pins on them anymore, either |
| 21:07.29 | Amarande | OTOH, when you consider the labour costs, I don't think that holds water |
| 21:07.32 | Dagmar | No, some Intel CPUs don't have pins |
| 21:07.35 | Gnarfoz | (still requires no force to put the CPU into the socket, though) |
| 21:07.43 | Dagmar | I've not personally seen any AMD CPUs without pins |
| 21:07.45 | Mr_Rabies | sockets or bust |
| 21:07.52 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: all current opterons that matteR? |
| 21:07.57 | Amarande | because when you consider how much longer it takes to replace a mobo than a CPU, the labour costs probably make up for it |
| 21:07.57 | Gnarfoz | C32 |
| 21:07.59 | Dagmar | opterons are expensive. |
| 21:08.08 | Dagmar | ...and practically obsolete at this point |
| 21:08.16 | Gnarfoz | ...what |
| 21:08.19 | Mr_Rabies | er slot |
| 21:08.25 | Amarande | There's also the matter that Intel has some really poor design decisions, anyway. |
| 21:08.31 | Dagmar | They're sitll using the Opteron line? |
| 21:08.35 | Gnarfoz | of course |
| 21:08.42 | Amarande | There's a reason I've been known to occasionally recommend LGA1155 Xeons to gamers choosing Intel. |
| 21:09.14 | Amarande | It's because of this: the lower end quad core Xeons are comparable to a Core i5 in price. |
| 21:09.26 | Gnarfoz | I can never make sense of their desktop cpu lineup, though |
| 21:09.31 | Amarande | However, the Xeon is ALL raw computing power, because it doesn't waste any die space at all on an IGPU. |
| 21:09.52 | Amarande | The Core i5, on the other hand, wastes quite a bit of die space to provide an IGPU. What gamer uses an IGPU, ESPECIALLY an Intel one? |
| 21:10.17 | Amarande | (Seriously, the only IGPU I'd really consider for gaming would be the one on the AMD A10-5800K APU.) |
| 21:10.23 | nevcairiel | its like intel, xeons get used for servers, amd uses opteron |
| 21:10.27 | Mr_Rabies | igpus are nice for heat and power consumption |
| 21:10.35 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: that part was easy, I meant desktop |
| 21:10.37 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, the point anyway is though |
| 21:10.47 | Amarande | I recommend the server CPU because, as a gamer, you're going to have a discrete GPU anyway |
| 21:10.47 | Gnarfoz | apparently, current high-end desktops are "FX" |
| 21:10.51 | Dagmar | Ah... I figured they'd abandoned that because the clustering groups here aren't even getting opterons anymore |
| 21:10.56 | nevcairiel | i stopped caring about amd for desktop |
| 21:11.04 | Amarande | Which means the IGPU is useless to you, so you might as well get the Xeon for the same price and have 4-core + HT rather than the i5 which has 4-core + IGPU |
| 21:11.13 | nevcairiel | their latest cpus just suck |
| 21:11.14 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, if heat and power arent an issue, xeon's probably better |
| 21:11.15 | Dagmar | Gnarfox: Yeah basically the things that leave you an upgrade path now are F2 sockets |
| 21:11.27 | Mr_Rabies | i've got one of the first gen i7s |
| 21:11.33 | Mr_Rabies | so 4 cores + HT for me |
| 21:11.55 | Amarande | Then again, a server CPU may require you to invest in ECC memory and spend more. |
| 21:12.10 | nevcairiel | Mr_Rabies: the bulldozer cpus use more power for less performance =P |
| 21:12.12 | Mr_Rabies | however, an igpu would be nice for not wanting to heat up the room when i'm just browsing reddit |
| 21:12.14 | Amarande | OTOH, given the penchant LGA1155 CPUs seem to have for memory corruption? ECC might be worth it ROFL |
| 21:12.39 | Dagmar | Your video card isn't going to be working hard when you're browsing Reddit |
| 21:12.44 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: I'm actually sad that my 2nd gen i7 doesn't help heat the room :( |
| 21:12.53 | nevcairiel | any good gpu can clock down real nice |
| 21:13.02 | nevcairiel | unless you run two screens with different resolution off it |
| 21:13.03 | Gnarfoz | I could run something. :D |
| 21:13.49 | Amarande | Keep in mind, I'm running this AMD box rock-stable with the very same sticks of RAM that made my i5 and i3 throw a temper tantrum on two different mobos (actually I didn't test the i3 with the first mobo, but I did test i5/mobo A, i3/mobo B, and i5/mobo B and all had severe issues) |
| 21:13.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: doesn't c't usually have a per-cpu type drill-down for the top 500 list? :\ I suck at finding one on top500.org |
| 21:14.04 | Amarande | Not crappy mobos, either. Mobo A was an Intel DZ68DB, and mobo B was an ASUS P8B75-V. |
| 21:14.29 | Amarande | The ASUS board even has that MemoryOK button that's designed to make it try its very hardest to work with fussy RAM. |
| 21:14.37 | Amarande | Even THAT didn't help with any significance. |
| 21:14.51 | Mr_Rabies | asus boards always have memory compatibility issues |
| 21:14.51 | Gnarfoz | ah, it's somewhere in the text... AMD still is #2 CPU supplier for the top 500 supercomputers |
| 21:14.52 | Amarande | That's how fussy Sandys are with four-DIMM configs that aren't a four-DIMM kit. |
| 21:14.55 | cbreak | I have ECC memory. It works nicely. |
| 21:15.01 | Mr_Rabies | they're junk, i don't know why people use asus boards |
| 21:15.07 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: who else builds much cpus these days? =P |
| 21:15.09 | Mr_Rabies | they've been crap since the athlon xp was top dog |
| 21:15.10 | cbreak | but is very expensive :/ |
| 21:15.11 | zenzelezz | I miss my old Epox motherboards; for no good reason besides nostalgia |
| 21:15.15 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: meh? they have compatibility lists like everyone else, and whats on there works just fine for me |
| 21:15.17 | Dagmar | Interesting. i7-3820, 130W. A8-5600K, 100W. |
| 21:15.21 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: actually, the AMD box I had previously, the one that lasted almost five years before being power surged to death, was an ASUS board |
| 21:15.28 | Mr_Rabies | epox boards back in the day were amazing |
| 21:15.35 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: intel, ibm, sparc-stuff? this is top500, not your moms desktop :D |
| 21:15.35 | Amarande | I presumed that the brand I could count on then would continue to come through for me now |
| 21:15.46 | Mr_Rabies | msi and asus are pretty unreliable |
| 21:15.47 | Dagmar | I've no idea where Epox went to. They seemed to be doing pretty good. |
| 21:15.50 | nevcairiel | well sure, there are more on the list |
| 21:15.52 | Dagmar | Might have gotten eaten by a typhoon |
| 21:15.55 | Mr_Rabies | they're like hot rods |
| 21:15.57 | Amarande | And yeah, I'm not sure where you're getting that AMD hogs power thing |
| 21:16.02 | Amarande | especially, compare AMD video cards to nVidia |
| 21:16.07 | Amarande | nVidia is a ludicrous power hog |
| 21:16.15 | Mr_Rabies | they have a ton of power but they need a ton of maintenence to compensate, and shit just breaks sometime for no good reason |
| 21:16.18 | Amarande | especially the 400 and 500 series |
| 21:16.28 | Dagmar | ATI saves you power by crashing frequently and generally failing to work. ;) |
| 21:16.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's generally a problem with drivers, not hardware :) |
| 21:16.43 | Gnarfoz | ati hasn't even existed for a couple of years now |
| 21:16.55 | Dagmar | The nVidia power-hungry thing seems to be a first-rev issue |
| 21:17.07 | Mr_Rabies | i've had great results from gigabyte boards lately |
| 21:17.07 | Dagmar | The first sets of 560's used up an INCREDIBLE amount of power. |
| 21:17.10 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: some systems also have a AMD base-system and all they did was upgrade to newer opertons to avoid having to re-build the whole thing, like the titan system they just upgraded |
| 21:17.17 | Dagmar | The second runs of them, way way less |
| 21:17.26 | Mr_Rabies | intel make great baseline boards without a ton of fancy bells and whistles |
| 21:17.34 | Dagmar | We've got a couple of racks that would have been drawing 48A of power if they didn't |
| 21:17.35 | Amarande | yeah, my present board is a Gigabyte |
| 21:17.40 | Mr_Rabies | or cut out the middleman and just buy foxconn, they make intel's boards anyway |
| 21:17.41 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah, I know (: Mr. Stillers articles are some of the few I still enjoy reading :D |
| 21:17.46 | Dagmar | lol |
| 21:17.53 | Amarande | I think I'll be sticking with this board and AM3/AM3+ CPUs for any builds I need to do in the nearish future anyway |
| 21:17.59 | Mr_Rabies | but without the intel name, foxconn boards don't have quite the same standard of quality |
| 21:18.03 | Mr_Rabies | most of them are great boards though |
| 21:18.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: F2, not AM3. |
| 21:18.16 | Amarande | Yeah, the family computer uses a cheap Foxconn board and works just fine |
| 21:18.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: It appears AMD is EOL'ing the AM3 sockets in favor of F2's |
| 21:18.29 | Amarande | It made me start to wonder if I should have gone for a cheap mobo instead of for a "good name" one |
| 21:18.30 | Mr_Rabies | for like...half the price of an intel board whose difference may often be heatsinks and pcb dye |
| 21:18.41 | Amarande | Dagmar: FM2 is for APUs, not CPUs, generally |
| 21:18.45 | Amarande | AM3+ is for CPUs |
| 21:18.45 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 21:18.47 | Dagmar | Mr_rabies: And q/q |
| 21:18.51 | nevcairiel | i have 2 ASUS boards right now, and they run just perfectly, i've had gigabyte before and they were also just fine |
| 21:18.57 | Mr_Rabies | foxconn is really great for the price |
| 21:18.59 | Amarande | Also, let's keep in mind that AMD still holds the record for fastest CPU speed ever |
| 21:19.05 | Mr_Rabies | some of the other cheapo boards are really crap |
| 21:19.07 | Dagmar | Amarande: yeah but they're basically throwing in a few physX processors for free with that |
| 21:19.10 | Amarande | it was an AMD processor that was successfully overclocked to 8 GHz not too long ago |
| 21:19.13 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: similar, 4 asus, 3 gigabyte, all fine |
| 21:19.20 | Mr_Rabies | like zotac for years was total crap, i hear they're better now |
| 21:19.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: Plus that A8-5600K was $109 |
| 21:19.34 | nevcairiel | i had a zotac GPU once, it was ok |
| 21:19.34 | mikma | rtharper: tissit |
| 21:19.39 | nevcairiel | never a MB |
| 21:19.54 | Amarande | I have one of the Thuban-series hexacore processors here. |
| 21:20.11 | Amarande | Actually, that may be why my RAM has no issues with it. |
| 21:20.35 | Amarande | Apparently, one of the big things about Intel is that Sandy and later are very fussy about the voltage on RAM. 1.5V is basically a MAXIMUM, not a recommended. :| |
| 21:21.03 | Amarande | Corsair RAM, which I use, is apparently higher-voltage than some others (1.5V is pretty much a low voltage for it, looks like it can run at 1.65V on some systems, which SB hates with a passion) |
| 21:21.28 | Amarande | Thubans actually can handle something ungodly high like 2.0V RAM, apparently (they have to because they were designed to work with both DDR2 and DDR3 mobos, and DDR2 had much higher voltage than DDR3) |
| 21:22.03 | Amarande | Intel, of course, is OCD about minimising voltage, because to them it seems the desktop is pretty much that tree out in their peripheral view while the road ahead of them is full of low-power mobile devices. :S |
| 21:22.08 | rtharper | mikma: siitin |
| 21:22.56 | Amarande | although it does look like the RAM's actually running at 1.5V |
| 21:23.14 | Dagmar | I just leave it at the defaults. |
| 21:23.22 | Amarande | and claimed to be on the Intel box too, so I'm not 100% sure if that's the reason |
| 21:23.30 | Amarande | it could be that, as I suspect, Sandy Bridge just has a very finicky memory controller |
| 21:23.44 | Dagmar | My stuff seems to never die unless I fail to clean it, so I'm not even caring about "tweaking" hardware settings anymore. |
| 21:24.19 | Amarande | There's also apparently talk that with Intel you won't be buying a separate CPU anymore at all in a few years. |
| 21:24.41 | Dagmar | They actually debunked that rumor already |
| 21:24.55 | Dagmar | A *lot* of homebrewers were getting upset about it |
| 21:24.59 | Amarande | Ah, so the BGA desktop mobo thing was wrong? |
| 21:25.08 | Amarande | I had always wondered what the rationale for it would have been |
| 21:25.11 | Dagmar | They might make it but it won't be all they're making |
| 21:25.32 | Dagmar | Well, it's Intel, so if it weren't for AMD the rationale would be "more money for us! Suck it motherboard manufacturers!" |
| 21:25.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: amazing, A8-5600 is even shittier than I thought :D http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2012/alle-desktop-trinity-im-cpu-vergleichstest/5/ |
| 21:25.53 | Amarande | The only thing I could think of was that eventually there might come a point where heat dissipation becomes such a sensitive matter that HSFs will have to be installed professionally at a factory in order to have a sufficiently precise contact |
| 21:26.02 | nevcairiel | the CPU in all these new AMD CPUs is simply horrible |
| 21:26.04 | Amarande | which in turn would have to mean factory-installed CPUs, too |
| 21:26.19 | nevcairiel | the only reason to get one is if you need more iGPU then Intel can offer |
| 21:26.23 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:26.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'm probably building an htpc soon |
| 21:26.55 | Mr_Rabies | and it's insanely hard to find any good info on that that's up to date :| |
| 21:27.04 | Amarande | Given that we're starting to run up against the actual limitations of PHYSICS when it comes to element sizes on CPU dies, that heat thing might start to become a problem *shrug* |
| 21:27.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, exactly a reason for Intel NOT to do it |
| 21:27.20 | Fisker | http://www.fractal-design.com/?view=product&category=2&prod=94 |
| 21:27.21 | Fisker | there you go Mr_Rabies |
| 21:27.23 | nevcairiel | for a HTPC the intel gpu is fine |
| 21:27.44 | Mr_Rabies | it's a nice case, but i don't want a cube though fisker |
| 21:27.47 | nevcairiel | AMD is really having driver quality issues when it comes to video things |
| 21:27.52 | Fisker | no Mr_Rabies |
| 21:27.52 | Amarande | they wouldn't want to make a bunch of i7's only to see them utterly fail to sell because the mobo manufacturers realise the market effects of being forced to buy a non-swappable CPU, and put such a huge premium on the "luxury" CPUs that no one buys |
| 21:27.53 | Fisker | you do not |
| 21:27.57 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 21:27.58 | Fisker | n4? |
| 21:28.00 | nevcairiel | either Intel iGPU or dedicated nvidia, imho |
| 21:28.14 | Gnarfoz | and you should know :P |
| 21:28.29 | Fisker | i r having some issues with my setup though |
| 21:28.30 | Amarande | Hm. I'm using an HD 7850 card in kushiel and it's not having any issues that I know of driver-wise |
| 21:28.32 | Dagmar | ...and the moral of this story is "DOn't expect APUs to handle games if you actually use the integrated GPU" |
| 21:28.33 | Fisker | not sure if it's intel though |
| 21:28.42 | Fisker | but basically there's some static/noise on some audio |
| 21:28.44 | Amarande | well ... actually I did see the driver restart itself at one point, but only once so far |
| 21:28.47 | Dagmar | APUs aren't suited for latest-gen games. |
| 21:28.49 | Fisker | i think it's mostly DTS stuff |
| 21:28.50 | Gnarfoz | they don't handle much else, either *shrug* |
| 21:29.06 | nevcairiel | Fisker: last i heard it should ship first or second week in january |
| 21:29.20 | Fisker | ok |
| 21:29.23 | Dagmar | They handle LA Noire, Guild Wars 2, Skyrim, and a bunch of others just fine, with a discrete GPU |
| 21:29.30 | Fisker | i saw new shipment of nexuses |
| 21:29.37 | Fisker | but i guess that was us only or something then |
| 21:29.47 | Dagmar | They can also compile the fuck out of a kernel. |
| 21:31.13 | Amarande | Oh, yeah, another strike against Intel is that they're trying to market Small Business Insecurity |
| 21:31.24 | Amarande | which ... kind of isn't a feature you want to have on hardware if you don't have it just right |
| 21:31.46 | Amarande | I'm still waiting for the news story where a company Ultrabook results in massive amounts of personal information getting leaked |
| 21:31.55 | Amarande | with the design, it's inevitable |
| 21:32.24 | Fisker | i want shit like the on-board VNC server and shit to be part of the standard offering :( |
| 21:33.00 | Dagmar | Fisker: buy IBM z-Series |
| 21:33.15 | Fisker | can it play crysis 3? |
| 21:33.28 | Amarande | Ultrabooks, for those who don't know, are these new ultrathin, ultraportable notebooks Intel is pushing, basically the PC equivalent of the latest Macbooks |
| 21:33.53 | Amarande | Problem is the security features. Keep in mind, we're talking a 3G-enabled machine, with soldered-in battery and "SSD" (really solid-state chips soldered to the system board) |
| 21:34.16 | Dagmar | the only useful thing in that article is that it's clear the bargain-priced 1Mb cache chips are as bargain as they sound |
| 21:34.21 | Amarande | The computer can be remotely disabled over the network. |
| 21:34.34 | Amarande | The computer can also be remotely accessed over the network *even when it is turned off or aforementionedly disabled*. |
| 21:34.47 | Amarande | The computer can be forcibly powered on and awoken over the network. |
| 21:35.01 | haste | ultrabooks aren't required to ahve 3G |
| 21:35.04 | Amarande | The rationale for this, of course, is for business IT departments to handle stolen laptop situations and such, but think about it. |
| 21:35.05 | Dagmar | That's both configurable and common |
| 21:35.12 | haste | and battery and memory depends largely on model |
| 21:35.19 | haste | and ssd |
| 21:35.22 | haste | soldering that is |
| 21:35.28 | Amarande | Someone's Ultrabook gets hacked. Literally unless they think REALLY quickly, that the thing they have to do is smash their COMPANY ISSUED LAPTOP against the nearest ROCK |
| 21:35.48 | Amarande | their entire sensitive data archive is probably doomed to hit the wild. |
| 21:36.23 | Amarande | Turn it off? Doesn't help, it can be accessed while it's off. Get off the network? How do you get off the network on 3G (unless you're smart enough to shove the machine into a Faraday cage, which is about the only other thing that works short of destroying it) |
| 21:36.58 | Amarande | Take out the hard drive? In many models, it's soldered on. Pull the battery? Sorry, that's soldered on too! Nooooo! |
| 21:37.08 | Dagmar | Like Joe Spreadsheet stands a fucking clue of knowing he was hacked until someone puts a dialog box on their screen about it. |
| 21:37.13 | Amarande | Yeah, it's seven shades of bad idea. |
| 21:37.27 | Dagmar | ...and even then if you just put an "Accept" button at the bottom they wouldn't read it. |
| 21:37.29 | cbreak | Amarande: how about turning it off? |
| 21:37.42 | Amarande | cbreak: see above, SBS is designed to let the ultrabook be accessed remotely while it's off |
| 21:37.42 | cbreak | how about purging the encryption key? |
| 21:38.00 | cbreak | Amarande: that won't help if all the data is encrypted |
| 21:38.01 | Amarande | hm. I don't remember the article enough to remember if that was possible. good thought. |
| 21:38.18 | cbreak | does that thing run windows? |
| 21:38.27 | cbreak | unless they removed it, there's bit locker |
| 21:38.27 | Amarande | cbreak: that "access while it's off" thing also includes forcibly awakening/booting it |
| 21:38.32 | Amarande | and yeah, they're Windows based |
| 21:38.42 | cbreak | then booting is useless without user interaction |
| 21:38.51 | cbreak | (to enter the bit locker key) |
| 21:39.15 | Amarande | also keep in mind we're talking about the USA here, where stolen/hacked company laptops with sensitive info seem to be an epidemic if you read the news regularly :| |
| 21:39.38 | cbreak | probably only by people who do not know about FDE |
| 21:39.58 | cbreak | I use File Vault on my MBP, and I don't think anyone could do anything if it's turned off. |
| 21:40.03 | Dagmar | That's kind why I keep my important shit with me |
| 21:40.18 | Dagmar | ANything I can't keep with me is encrypted |
| 21:40.22 | cbreak | of course, I never turn it off. So all they would have to do is freeze the memory and then read out the key from there... |
| 21:40.32 | Dagmar | cbreak: lol |
| 21:40.38 | nevcairiel | the stuff you keep with you is not encrypted? |
| 21:40.44 | nevcairiel | what if someone gets your device? :p |
| 21:40.48 | Dagmar | So few people can actually pull that trick off it's not even funny |
| 21:41.04 | Dagmar | Actually, the stuff I keep with me is mostly encrypted, but people don't take things from me. |
| 21:41.05 | cbreak | there are easier versions |
| 21:41.13 | Dagmar | I'm a nasty, vicious person. |
| 21:41.14 | cbreak | like booting from a different OS |
| 21:41.38 | cbreak | but it being a mac, I am not sure that most people would have a suitable OS to try |
| 21:42.01 | TC-work | There are far worse Dagmar |
| 21:42.03 | cbreak | I could disable booting from external medium too if I wanted to be really paranoid :) |
| 21:42.07 | Dagmar | I'll worry about it when I see substantiation that Elecomsoft's new tool can actually read through TrueCrypt and encfs in a trivial amount of time |
| 21:42.43 | Dagmar | Tc-Work: dude I've been running around playing Ingress with my shiny new phone for the past two weeks in shifty parts of town |
| 21:42.50 | Dagmar | If someone wanted it, all they'd get is "pieces of phone" |
| 21:43.08 | Dagmar | It's encrypted, and the SDcard in it is encrypted. |
| 21:43.15 | cbreak | Dagmar: apparently they only do that if you have a memory dump |
| 21:43.24 | cbreak | it doesn't work with data at rest |
| 21:43.25 | Dagmar | cbreak: Ah, I'd wondered about that. |
| 21:43.38 | Dagmar | I didnt' see people screaming the sky was falling on a few key mailing lists, so I figured there was some requirement |
| 21:45.12 | Amarande | heh, well, people scream the sky is falling for no good reason |
| 21:45.26 | Dagmar | I ahve things at home encrypted just because I'm such a twisted fuck that if I were raided, which would be insane because I don't get up to anything worth being raided over, it would just make shitloads of work for other people. |
| 21:45.28 | Amarande | like that one wag from ... GRC I think it was? who insisted that having raw sockets in WinXP would DOOM US ALL? |
| 21:45.34 | Amarande | and Microsoft actually *listened* to the guy, ROFL |
| 21:45.40 | Dagmar | Steve Gibson is a fucking idiot. |
| 21:46.24 | Amarande | (Though I wonder if they were more afraid of a lawsuit than anyone else, i.e., them including raw sockets, a DDoS happening, and then the victim suing them for negligence and citing Gibson) |
| 21:46.29 | Dagmar | "OMG TCP sockets are a limited resource= |
| 21:46.31 | Dagmar | !" |
| 21:46.51 | Gnarfoz | http://xkcd.com/538/ applies |
| 21:46.55 | Dagmar | Amarande: Probably more a matter of they have catered to the type of users who believe the shit he spews |
| 21:46.58 | cbreak | Dagmar: they are a limited resource |
| 21:47.20 | cbreak | limited to 2^32-1 |
| 21:47.23 | Amarande | and, IANAL, but one has to wonder if Microsoft actually would stand a chance of being made to pay out in such a suit |
| 21:47.34 | Dagmar | Gnarfox: Again. Sick twisted fuck. I break things people try to steal from me. |
| 21:47.38 | Dagmar | I've done it before. |
| 21:47.43 | Amarande | The EULA supposedly keeps you from suing MS if you have something go wrong with your own computer because of Windows that you use on your own computer |
| 21:47.49 | Dagmar | I can make those kinds of snap decisions. |
| 21:47.55 | cbreak | Dagmar: I think Steve Gibson is reasonably intelligent. |
| 21:48.04 | Amarande | But ... I'm pretty sure it doesn't make the rest of the world agree that they don't have the right to sue Microsoft based on what happened to them because of *other people's* Windows machines ... heh |
| 21:48.07 | cbreak | at least as far as I can tell from his output. |
| 21:48.10 | Dagmar | cbreak: really. For a ten year old maybe. |
| 21:48.18 | cbreak | no. |
| 21:48.21 | cbreak | for an old person. |
| 21:48.28 | cbreak | you can't expect that much from old people... |
| 21:48.35 | Dagmar | Dude he got into a big tizzy because you can DoS a site by opening enough tcp sessions to it and holding them open. |
| 21:48.46 | cbreak | that's normal |
| 21:48.49 | cbreak | it's called syn flooding |
| 21:48.56 | Dagmar | ...and then when he called actual experts who said "So what?" he decided it was some big dark secret. |
| 21:49.00 | cbreak | there are defenses against that, things like syn cookies |
| 21:49.00 | Dagmar | No, not syn flooding. |
| 21:49.07 | Gnarfoz | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/508/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png *shrug* |
| 21:49.10 | Dagmar | These are legit connections. |
| 21:49.21 | cbreak | yes, syn flooding are legit connections |
| 21:49.30 | Dagmar | No, synfloods are just syns being sent |
| 21:49.51 | cbreak | you can delay the three way handshake in a syn flood |
| 21:49.54 | Dagmar | The whole idea of a synflood is to drive the victim machine nuts sending back ACKs. |
| 21:49.56 | Gnarfoz | ...which is the start of a legit connection; but he was indeed talking about completing the 3-way-handshake |
| 21:50.00 | cbreak | by overloading some TCP buffers |
| 21:50.15 | cbreak | or at least pretending it's overloaded |
| 21:50.20 | Dagmar | cbreak: This, I suspect, is part of why you can't see how full of shit Gibson is, man |
| 21:50.28 | nevcairiel | syn floods are usually worse, because plenty servers just timeout a open socket if nothing happens, but a half-open socket may be handled poorly |
| 21:50.34 | cbreak | Dagmar: hmm? |
| 21:50.37 | Amarande | Also, given the actual timing of XP's release, I suppose someone could make a half-logical argument that a massive spike in DDoS attacks *right then* might have tipped us over into some economic situation that we Would Not Want To Be In :S |
| 21:50.41 | Gnarfoz | also, connection tracking, nevcairiel |
| 21:50.47 | cbreak | Dagmar: because you don't understand tcp? :) |
| 21:50.50 | Amarande | which, sadly, might lend a little credence to Gibson :| |
| 21:50.58 | Dagmar | cbreak: No, because *you* don't understand TCP. |
| 21:51.10 | cbreak | which part do you claim I don't understand? |
| 21:51.37 | Dagmar | Well, for one, you think a synflood involves more than just SYNs. That's why it's called a synflood. |
| 21:51.48 | Dagmar | I used to actually *do* this stuff. |
| 21:51.57 | Amarande | (XP came out *just after* 9/11 and the direct economic damage therefrom, and also with a valuable holiday shopping season dead ahead. A major disruption of e-business might have been particularly damaging then.) |
| 21:51.58 | Gnarfoz | you're not special in this |
| 21:52.08 | cbreak | Dagmar: there are many ways to DoS systems |
| 21:52.17 | Dagmar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SYN_flood |
| 21:52.18 | cbreak | simple syn floods are easy to defend against |
| 21:52.25 | Dagmar | cbreak: yes. I pioneered some of them |
| 21:52.33 | Gnarfoz | cbreak: he likes to decide what's being talked about, even when someone else brings up a tangent topic |
| 21:52.41 | Dagmar | I DDoSed before they called it DDoS, but only for special occasions like all.net |
| 21:52.50 | cbreak | but you can make attacks that take very little resources to perform, so those defenses are not useful anymore |
| 21:53.12 | Dagmar | So what the screaming fuck does this have to do with a socket consumption attack anyway |
| 21:53.37 | cbreak | Dagmar: if you open a connection to a remote host, resources are allocated |
| 21:53.47 | cbreak | things like timers |
| 21:53.48 | Dagmar | yes, so? |
| 21:53.54 | cbreak | things like sockets |
| 21:54.00 | cbreak | they use memory |
| 21:54.15 | cbreak | -> you can exhaust them if the remote host doesn't prevent against it |
| 21:54.16 | Dagmar | Actually, fuck it. You're just trying to be an insulting jackass and I actually don't give a shit if you learn anything or not, now. |
| 21:54.39 | cbreak | not really. |
| 21:54.46 | cbreak | I try to explain to you how it works. |
| 21:54.52 | Gnarfoz | this was not a school lesson to begin with, anyway |
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| 21:54.56 | durcyn | girls, you're both ugly |
| 21:55.02 | Dagmar | I already KNOW how a synflood works. Intimately. |
| 21:55.18 | cbreak | technology doesn't stand still. |
| 21:55.24 | TC-work | durcyn: and have tiny e-peens? |
| 21:55.26 | Dagmar | It does for Steve Gibson, apparently. |
| 21:55.40 | Gnarfoz | if you think about it, "syn flood" is a pretty good description of "intimacy", too |
| 21:55.54 | Dagmar | ...or are you suggesting we have developed some sort of four-dimensional handshake when I wasn't looking. |
| 21:56.23 | TC-work | heh, syn, ack, tesseract. |
| 21:56.35 | Dagmar | I wind up having to go through some dimwit's tcpdump out here at least once a month |
| 21:56.54 | cbreak | tcp four way handshake? |
| 21:57.03 | cbreak | never heard of that |
| 21:57.24 | cbreak | http://sock-raw.org/papers/tcp_persist |
| 21:57.40 | nevcairiel | the four way handshake is used for cleanly closing a connection |
| 21:57.43 | Dagmar | ...but in Steve Gibson's case, the thing he was Chicken Littleing about was that if you have a gopher server that is configured to handle a max of 12 sessions, someone could spawn 12 connections with telnet and effectively DoS your server. |
| 21:57.57 | Dagmar | To which pretty much everyone said "we know this." |
| 21:58.09 | cbreak | working as expected. |
| 21:58.13 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
| 21:58.43 | Gnarfoz | gopher is the shiznit |
| 21:58.46 | Dagmar | The solution is to just raise the limit or be picky about where you let the connections come from |
| 21:58.57 | cbreak | but I think most DoS that use half-open connections attack the kernel |
| 21:59.02 | cbreak | and not specific userland programs |
| 21:59.17 | durcyn | how the fuck is anyone still talking about steve gibson in the 21st century |
| 21:59.37 | Dagmar | Okay so that's more people thet believe he's an idiot |
| 22:00.15 | Dagmar | cbreak: Considering that the mechanism never hands a socket to a userland process until the handshake is done? Yes. |
| 22:00.25 | cbreak | exactly. :) |
| 22:00.39 | Dagmar | ...but a synflood is literally just SYNs. It's all that's necessary. |
| 22:01.00 | cbreak | but blindly sending syns can be defended against |
| 22:01.05 | Dagmar | Ideally you use SYNs spoofing source addresses that ignore and drop alien traffic without response, so each of the potential connections waits around in silence. |
| 22:01.26 | Dagmar | Much less effective if a router sees the ACk and sends back an "I don't know what the fuck you're on about mate, there's no network there" packet. |
| 22:02.45 | iShirik | I wish that were the real name for it |
| 22:03.05 | Dagmar | I translate into non-techie all the time at work. |
| 22:03.07 | iShirik | DRG/RST |
| 22:03.13 | iShirik | DRG for on drugs |
| 22:03.15 | Dagmar | People who actually think powerpoint is useful can't handle the truth. |
| 22:03.38 | durcyn | did you invent powerpoint too |
| 22:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | powerpoint owns for specific tasks |
| 22:03.53 | Fisker | hey iShirik |
| 22:03.55 | Fisker | i want you |
| 22:03.57 | iShirik | PowerPoint is surprisingly good at things it wasn't made for |
| 22:04.13 | iShirik | I honestl think Visio is just PowerPoint with a new name and Ji |
| 22:04.15 | iShirik | Ui |
| 22:04.18 | Fisker | like powering a point iShirik ? |
| 22:04.37 | durcyn | i'm gonna power your point Fisker |
| 22:04.44 | iShirik | ... |
| 22:04.48 | Dagmar | Here's a good example: http://www.grc.com/sn/sn-323.htm |
| 22:04.52 | iShirik | Hey fisker |
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| 22:05.03 | durcyn | GRC LINK DETECTED, FUCK RIGHT OFF |
| 22:05.17 | Dagmar | The wya he tells it, you'd think think he didn't reinvent SYN-cookies, poorly, almost six months after the problem no longer existed. |
| 22:05.19 | iShirik | Automated message? |
| 22:05.23 | Dagmar | durcyn: lol |
| 22:05.31 | Dagmar | I don't blame him |
| 22:05.44 | Fisker | hey iShirik |
| 22:05.45 | durcyn | no, it's not automated |
| 22:05.50 | durcyn | should be, though |
| 22:05.56 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 22:06.13 | cbreak | Dagmar: what's the problem with syn cookies? |
| 22:06.21 | Dagmar | cbreak: there isn't one |
| 22:06.39 | cbreak | well, apart from attackers also being able to use them. |
| 22:06.44 | Dagmar | The only reason they're mentioned is because it's yet another thing Steve got entirely wrong. |
| 22:07.33 | cbreak | apparently he reinvented the wheel. |
| 22:07.35 | Dagmar | DJB even had his code in production before Steve knew |
| 22:08.08 | cbreak | so, do you think DJB is a moron? |
| 22:08.14 | Dagmar | No, I think he's a crank. |
| 22:08.25 | Dagmar | He writes incredibly perfect code. |
| 22:08.30 | cbreak | reinventing a good idea is not bad. |
| 22:08.34 | cbreak | it's just pointless. |
| 22:08.43 | Dagmar | However, if you try and use it for anything except for the very narrow range of applications, you are fucked. |
| 22:08.48 | cbreak | well, unless you are in the USA |
| 22:08.54 | cbreak | then you might get sued for some patent crap |
| 22:08.58 | Dagmar | Normally, they medicate people who write code like DJB. |
| 22:09.18 | nevcairiel | <random comment>i heard a leacture about breaking RSA from djb and some others just a few hours ago</random> |
| 22:09.32 | Dagmar | He didn't like the way GNU make worked, so in the process of writing an FFT library, he wrote his own make infrastructure. |
| 22:10.08 | cbreak | sounds like he's easily distracted. |
| 22:10.11 | Dagmar | nevcariel: He might be able to |
| 22:10.27 | cbreak | I can understand not liking gnu make. |
| 22:10.42 | Dagmar | Yeah but he had to compile and link less than 25 pieces. |
| 22:11.00 | Dagmar | Dude is seriously OCD, but at least he makes it work for himself. |
| 22:11.15 | cbreak | maybe he had lots of deps :/ |
| 22:11.23 | cbreak | (in an FFT lib? who knows :/) |
| 22:11.30 | Dagmar | No, it's an FFT library. He wrote the functions he wanted to use. |
| 22:11.43 | Dagmar | It's fucking _fast_, that much is for certain. |
| 22:11.50 | durcyn | fucking daemontools alone is reason enough to hate on him |
| 22:11.52 | Dagmar | I don't thikn anyone's written faster |
| 22:12.20 | Dagmar | ...but basically his methodologies lead to cases where basically you're trying to do something just outside what he had in mind and fuck you for trying |
| 22:12.42 | Dagmar | hence, qmail delivery as DDoS. |
| 22:13.38 | cbreak | according to my coworkers, the fastest FFT available are in CUDA |
| 22:13.46 | cbreak | in CUFFT |
| 22:13.53 | cbreak | not that I benchmarked that... |
| 22:14.47 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: is that already available from FEM? |
| 22:15.37 | nevcairiel | doubtful, they seem slow in providing the recordinds |
| 22:15.49 | nevcairiel | but it was worth watching, enlightening and entertaining as well |
| 22:16.46 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6523/streacoms-fc10-and-nano150-building-a-fanless-ivy-bridge-htpc (just stumbled across that) |
| 22:17.01 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: heard good things about "how I met your pointer" |
| 22:17.12 | nevcairiel | yeah i missed that because of $food |
| 22:17.20 | Mr_Rabies | thanks Gnarfoz |
| 22:17.32 | Gnarfoz | well, my b/w sucks too bad for watching live, so I'll probably watch a lot of recordings in the next few weeks ;) |
| 22:17.35 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish zotac would just make a zbox with a 3.5" HDD in it |
| 22:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | and i'd be set |
| 22:17.46 | Mr_Rabies | er 3.5" bay |
| 22:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | i've got a 3TB drive sitting here with nothing on it |
| 22:18.36 | nevcairiel | if your bandwidth sucks for live, downloading recordings must take a while as well =p |
| 22:19.03 | Gnarfoz | certainly :D |
| 22:19.17 | Mr_Rabies | i really just need smooth 1080p 10-bit h264 playback, 3.5" HDD, hdmi video, and optical audio out |
| 22:19.33 | Mr_Rabies | a remote would be a nice bonus |
| 22:19.45 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: saal4 is doing something to esxi... looks mildly interesting ;D |
| 22:20.20 | nevcairiel | i'm home now, gotta get up early tomorrow help my sister move, hopefully we are done soon enough so i can catch some later lectures |
| 22:20.27 | Gnarfoz | ugh ^^ |
| 22:20.46 | nevcairiel | timing sucks as always :p |
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| 22:29.11 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: oshi- hacker jeopardy is on and I'm watching some dude hack esxi... what a bad choice ;) |
| 22:31.29 | Gnarfoz | at least their setup seems to work this year ;) |
| 22:33.06 | Fisker | meh fanless Gnarfoz |
| 22:33.12 | Fisker | my I3 build runs just fine on fans |
| 22:33.32 | Gnarfoz | I didn't write the article, I was looking for something else ;) |
| 22:33.56 | Fisker | i wish i could easily upgrade to Haswell or IB |
| 22:34.06 | Fisker | but there is no motherboards that fits my needs |
| 22:34.41 | Fisker | Maybe i will get one and then replace the mpcie wifi with extra sata ports |
| 22:34.48 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: also, one of the contestants is drunk as fuck :D |
| 22:39.11 | Fisker | http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-z77-itx-wifi-z77itx-a-e.html |
| 22:39.24 | Fisker | needs 3 moar ports |
| 22:40.32 | Fisker | maybe haswell will bring something good |
| 22:40.41 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: http://timmedia.de/29c3/IMG_9990.JPG :D |
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| 22:44.57 | Dagmar | Longcat is misaligned. |
| 22:45.22 | Dagmar | What kind of compiler warnings will the building produce, I wonder. |
| 22:46.46 | TC-work | Is it that hard to take a picture properly, or at least rotate it before posting? |
| 22:46.48 | TC-work | sheesh |
| 22:47.13 | Gnarfoz | if you take the angle into account, it's probably hard to take it properly |
| 22:47.37 | TC-work | and rotating it first? |
| 22:47.49 | Gnarfoz | and "folder with random pictures taken earlier tonight" from some person I don't know is not "posting" :p |
| 22:48.09 | TC-work | it's web based, close enough |
| 22:49.15 | Gnarfoz | it has a proper orientation exif tag |
| 22:49.19 | Gnarfoz | I blame your user agent! :D |
| 22:49.28 | Dagmar | Your monitor doesn't rotate to portrair? |
| 22:49.33 | Dagmar | er portrait? |
| 22:49.54 | Gnarfoz | these new ones actually do! :D |
| 22:50.00 | Dagmar | I mean, I did have a co-worker ask "What exactly are you looking at?" then, but it worked. |
| 22:50.01 | TC-work | My browser doesn't |
| 22:50.28 | Dagmar | Glad my boss isn't in today |
| 22:51.01 | Dagmar | Discussions about "What porn site shows images in the wrong orientation?!?!" are exactly the sorts of things he tends to walk in at the tail end of. |
| 22:51.44 | TC-work | At least you are just cleaning up at that point |
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| 23:01.30 | Fisker | hey AckisTablet |
| 23:01.36 | Fisker | which one? |
| 23:02.16 | AckisTablet | Samsung galaxy tab 2 |
| 23:03.52 | Fisker | that sucks |
| 23:04.53 | Fisker | should've gotten a nexus 10! |
| 23:07.23 | Gnarfoz | ...when they were available |
| 23:07.23 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:09.35 | Fisker | D: |
| 23:09.50 | Fisker | man |
| 23:09.53 | Fisker | today is best day eu |
| 23:09.56 | Fisker | but noone cares :( |
| 23:10.22 | cogwheel | umad? |
| 23:10.26 | Fisker | yep |
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| 23:11.27 | TC-work | Make people care |
| 23:11.32 | TC-work | With a shotgun |
| 23:12.04 | Fisker | ok |
| 23:12.08 | Fisker | inc shooting |
| 23:12.23 | Semlar|Mobile | why so violent |
| 23:12.32 | TC-work | Because human |
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| 23:17.28 | Semlar|Mobile | does someone mind checking if one of my addons works in game |
| 23:17.51 | Semlar|Mobile | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/crackcooldown/ this one |
| 23:18.13 | durcyn | interest lost due to reinvention of wheel |
| 23:18.30 | Semlar|Mobile | it's years old at this point |
| 23:18.35 | Semlar|Mobile | i can't check right now |
| 23:19.09 | Semlar|Mobile | it also does things no other addons do but that's not the part i'm worried about |
| 23:19.52 | Semlar|Mobile | someone's claiming it just covers the bars with "0.1" seconds remaining so that's not a great sign |
| 23:20.57 | cbreak | check out raven |
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| 23:24.21 | Semlar|Mobile | you around viad |
| 23:24.34 | VIad | yes |
| 23:24.47 | Semlar|Mobile | you mind checking if my addon is broken |
| 23:24.57 | VIad | cooldown one? |
| 23:25.01 | Semlar|Mobile | yeah |
| 23:25.10 | Semlar|Mobile | you don't have to figure out what's wrong with it i just want to know if it's really broken |
| 23:25.39 | VIad | loggingon |
| 23:25.43 | Semlar|Mobile | for one thing i don't want people downloading it if it is |
| 23:27.04 | Semlar|Mobile | i'm away from my computer for a few days so i can't do anything myself |
| 23:30.56 | TC-work | That's what remoting is for. |
| 23:31.18 | Semlar|Mobile | i'm not set up for it |
| 23:31.25 | TC-work | Tisk Tisk |
| 23:31.26 | Semlar|Mobile | would need to forward ports |
| 23:31.54 | Semlar|Mobile | i'll probably get around to it eventually |
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| 23:36.44 | VIad | wait Semlar |
| 23:37.00 | TC-work | I don't think he was going anywhere |
| 23:37.05 | TC-work | s/was/is/ |
| 23:37.23 | Semlar|Mobile | still here |
| 23:37.32 | VIad | works for me, using bartender |
| 23:37.40 | Semlar|Mobile | do you have a priest? |
| 23:37.41 | VIad | red is cooldown, green is when my debuff on target expires |
| 23:37.42 | VIad | :) |
| 23:37.45 | VIad | I do |
| 23:37.51 | VIad | used my druid atm, logging priest |
| 23:37.53 | Semlar|Mobile | he claimed it wasn't working on his priest specifically |
| 23:37.59 | VIad | k |
| 23:38.24 | Amarande | I'm still trying to figure out if you can use SUF+bartender on a rogue at all without hearing BugSack complain every time you use Ambush |
| 23:38.25 | TC-work | gah, stop talking about wow in this wow channel, you are making me want to play again. |
| 23:39.04 | Amarande | apparently, commencing combat happening at the same time as swapping back from stealth to not-stealth while using an ability is hitting a Protection nerve |
| 23:39.27 | VIad | Semlar I got every class except monk :P |
| 23:39.33 | Semlar|Mobile | >_> |
| 23:39.35 | VIad | just fyi, minimum level is 40, my warrior |
| 23:40.10 | VIad | btw Semlar I am really happy about my dkp site now :D |
| 23:40.15 | VIad | added the ability to merge profiles |
| 23:40.18 | Semlar|Mobile | oh yeah? |
| 23:40.28 | VIad | i.e. if you bring your alt it has the ability to merge his score and logs with your designated main profile |
| 23:40.34 | VIad | and from there on treat you as one person |
| 23:40.36 | Semlar|Mobile | you get all your headers sorted |
| 23:41.04 | VIad | seems to work on my priest too btw |
| 23:41.18 | VIad | ye headers are okay, I do the redirecting in header part for now |
| 23:41.26 | VIad | it's easier for me if it works with people :P |
| 23:41.36 | Semlar|Mobile | "when i am in holy and cast cascade the normal timer appears but also a timer appears that shows as 0.1 in yellow writing over top" |
| 23:41.42 | VIad | hmm |
| 23:41.49 | VIad | if I HAD hly |
| 23:41.50 | VIad | holy |
| 23:42.16 | VIad | seems to work fine for me |
| 23:42.16 | Semlar|Mobile | nothing in the code was standing out but then again i wrote it and wouldn't have left it if i thought it was broken |
| 23:42.33 | Semlar|Mobile | alright, thanks vlad |
| 23:42.40 | VIad | just shame my omnicc overlaps :D |
| 23:42.46 | Amarande | people still use DKP? :S |
| 23:42.46 | VIad | I guess you aren't supposed to use them both at once hehe |
| 23:42.50 | Semlar|Mobile | nah |
| 23:43.02 | Semlar|Mobile | did you see my little gps addon |
| 23:43.08 | Amarande | Actually, don't even guild raids get subjected to the new loot-roll system now? |
| 23:43.40 | Semlar|Mobile | it's not really ready to be used but you can just type /find whatever and it'll try and pinpoint it on the map |
| 23:43.48 | Amarande | or is that only for world bosses and LFR? |
| 23:44.14 | Semlar|Mobile | if you make the group yourself i don't think the loot rules apply |
| 23:45.50 | znf | ofc they do |
| 23:46.27 | Semlar|Mobile | no party formed from people on my server has ever been subjected to loot restrictions |
| 23:46.45 | znf | wait, what are you talking about? |
| 23:46.50 | znf | LFR or? |
| 23:47.20 | znf | because I'm looking at the scroll-back and can't figure out what you were talking about :P |
| 23:48.07 | Amarande | znf: whether a classical guild raid in MoP dungeons uses the old-school "boss drops stuff and you master loot it out" style or if that uses the "item/lootbag/extra roll charm" system too, just like LFR and world bosses |
| 23:48.20 | znf | ofc it's the old-school drop system |
| 23:52.30 | Semlar|Mobile | thanks again vlad, i gotta go now |
| 23:53.12 | Fisker | hey znf |
| 23:53.18 | znf | hey meanie |
| 23:55.48 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:59.11 | TC-work | It's ok Fisker, I hey you. |
| 23:59.17 | TC-work | All night long |
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