| 00:00.00 | znf | I think only 2-3 people from my guild actually have an idea how to set up their UIs |
| 00:00.06 | foxlit | On amber shaper, I suppose the easiest way to get your attention is to draw those spell proc highlight ants around whatever button you're supposed to be spamming at the moment. |
| 00:00.09 | znf | The rest think they know well enough and don't even take advice |
| 00:00.28 | Mr_Rabies | i've got....150ish addons installed and generally don't feel cluttered, except in 25 man/40 man raids |
| 00:00.36 | znf | foxlit, there's also different strategies involved |
| 00:00.51 | znf | And a boss mod can't guess what you're following |
| 00:01.10 | foxlit | Code in as many of them as is required; let raid leader pick and sync. |
| 00:01.28 | znf | For example, we leave the 1st person reshaped (unless it's a healer) for the duration of the fight |
| 00:01.48 | foxlit | but for ZOMG-YOU-WILL-BLOW-UP-THE-RAID-IN-3s? Animating something around the right button will work well enough |
| 00:01.49 | znf | And that person is in charge of interrupting the cast on the big thingie every time, and just interrupting themselves |
| 00:02.34 | znf | We used to have it that the 1st person reshaped just stacks the damage debuff on the boss, and the subsequental reshapes just interrupt |
| 00:02.39 | znf | But that proved to be far too troublesome |
| 00:02.41 | foxlit | (I need to fix my unit frames -- my cast bars have been broken for the better part of the last 3 years :/) |
| 00:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit: how would you handle someone who doesn't cap vp, doesn't get 3 elder coins a week, and doesn't run lfr to upgrade their gear, when they're doing 20k dps less than the rest of the dps and it's causing us to miss the berserk timer |
| 00:03.21 | znf | Then you get the random retard in raid "I'm using ElvUI and when I press buttons nothing happens" |
| 00:03.57 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: is 20k dps less than the rest of the raid appropriate for their level of gear? |
| 00:04.00 | Mr_Rabies | maybe i can suggest a better option, but when they ignore the obvious ways to improve, i can't think of anything short of booting them, personally |
| 00:04.01 | znf | Or, as I witnessed during our Stone Puppies on HC, some people purposedly turned off (or hid) the resource bar of the active dog and they couldn't figure out how to turn it back on |
| 00:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | yes it is, foxlit |
| 00:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | because they haven't put forth the effort to get better gear |
| 00:04.18 | znf | People turn on/off stuff that they have no idea what it does |
| 00:04.28 | foxlit | Okay. Bench them for that fight, gear them up in others that aren't dps-critical. |
| 00:04.30 | znf | Mr_Rabies, open recruitment |
| 00:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | we don't bench people |
| 00:04.42 | znf | You should, then. |
| 00:04.46 | Mr_Rabies | that's worse, personally |
| 00:04.47 | Mr_Rabies | i hate benching |
| 00:04.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'd sooner not progress than bench someone |
| 00:05.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~Caleb|@5402D590.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 00:05.13 | znf | open recruitment for that spec/role, when a new guy comes, bench the other one |
| 00:05.15 | Arrowmaster | holy fuck my old college has gone even more retarded on their password policy, now they require 3 out of 4 of lowercase uppercase number symbol while still making you change your password every 90 days and probably still remembering your last 20 passwords and not letting you use any of them |
| 00:05.19 | Mr_Rabies | that's basically what we do |
| 00:05.22 | Mr_Rabies | we just perma-bench them |
| 00:05.27 | Arrowmaster | the shit i put up with just to use a .edu email address |
| 00:05.40 | znf | If I see someone being shit in a progress fight, I sit them out |
| 00:05.46 | znf | And get someone else that's on the wait list |
| 00:06.07 | Mr_Rabies | we don't bench people on a week-to-week basis |
| 00:06.12 | Mr_Rabies | we have 10 people we take every week |
| 00:06.22 | znf | Then, sorry to say, you're doing it wrong :) |
| 00:06.30 | Mr_Rabies | if one slacks and we're not getting anywhere, we call it for the night and get a replacement asap |
| 00:06.36 | znf | We have ~30-something in our roster |
| 00:06.51 | Mr_Rabies | i hated getting benched in vanilla |
| 00:07.01 | Mr_Rabies | especially on a fight-to-fight basis |
| 00:07.06 | Mr_Rabies | your roster should be the same for each fight |
| 00:07.13 | znf | No it shouldn't... |
| 00:07.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it should |
| 00:07.22 | znf | Not really. |
| 00:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | bring the player, not the class |
| 00:07.33 | znf | Why would you bring a retard? |
| 00:07.37 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah |
| 00:07.40 | Mr_Rabies | boot the player, not the class |
| 00:07.40 | znf | I don't care for class. I care for performance. |
| 00:07.45 | znf | Bring the good player, not the shit player. |
| 00:07.47 | Mr_Rabies | you shouldn't bench a retard, you should boot him |
| 00:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | ew |
| 00:07.55 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that term |
| 00:08.12 | foxlit | but we've established that the player was competent, merely undergeared |
| 00:08.28 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, because they didn't bother getting geared |
| 00:08.42 | foxlit | your raids is how they get geared. |
| 00:08.43 | znf | a good skilled player but outgeared will bring more than pure numbers to your raid |
| 00:08.43 | Mr_Rabies | do we just wait for the raid to rain gear on them? |
| 00:08.54 | foxlit | If it's that much of a problem, gather your normal raid group and run LFR for an evening |
| 00:08.55 | Mr_Rabies | see, i don't agree with that at all foxlit |
| 00:09.04 | foxlit | (but the way, that's bound to improve your sanity in LFR!) |
| 00:09.16 | Mr_Rabies | each playe should work their hardest to gear geared as quickly as possible at all opportunities |
| 00:09.18 | znf | and frankly, while I was still outgeared, I was still beating plenty of people on the penis-meters in our guild |
| 00:10.22 | znf | but honestly, skilled people don't let themselves be that much outgeared... |
| 00:10.29 | Mr_Rabies | if you just expect to show up every week and have the raid carry you to upgrades, expect to be replaced soon |
| 00:11.06 | znf | The first weeks of the expansion I did PvP to get ilvl 483 gear |
| 00:11.14 | Mr_Rabies | you should put forth as much effort as possible to get geared as much as possible between each raid |
| 00:11.52 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: I don't understand the combination of an "as much effort as possible" policy, and your 7/16 progression status. |
| 00:12.42 | Mr_Rabies | i don't either, personally |
| 00:12.51 | znf | also, I can't understand how you can fail on Elegon :P |
| 00:12.59 | znf | I mean, I notice that most pugs on our server are stuck on elegon, too |
| 00:13.03 | Mr_Rabies | i personally, haven't |
| 00:13.04 | znf | but I can't understand it... |
| 00:13.16 | znf | that fight is so straight forward |
| 00:13.36 | foxlit | Either most of your group really isn't putting up that much effort, or you're stuck with phenomenally bad (but hard-working!) players. |
| 00:13.59 | znf | Are your players dps-whoring to the extent that it's getting them killed? |
| 00:14.04 | Mr_Rabies | no |
| 00:14.13 | znf | Are they familiar with fight mechanics? |
| 00:14.43 | Mr_Rabies | they should be after 50 attempts, regardless |
| 00:14.57 | znf | So how can they fail? |
| 00:15.06 | znf | I mean, on WHAT are they failing? |
| 00:15.28 | Mr_Rabies | we were getting to like 40% on enrage for a while |
| 00:15.40 | znf | Are you sure you're doing it right, tactic wise? |
| 00:16.03 | Mr_Rabies | we got him now, honestly we just had a couple slackers we had to boot |
| 00:16.17 | znf | like I said, that fight is so straight forward |
| 00:16.22 | znf | dps boss, dps add, dps boss |
| 00:16.25 | znf | phase 2, dps spark |
| 00:16.30 | Mr_Rabies | we got will of the emperors in like....5 attempts maybe? |
| 00:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | the same night we got elegon |
| 00:16.47 | znf | repeat sparks until you get 5-6 stacks on the boss, whatever your raid can pull |
| 00:16.56 | znf | ignore last spark, dps boss |
| 00:16.59 | znf | dps pylon |
| 00:17.01 | znf | repeat phase 1 |
| 00:17.09 | znf | then repeat phase 2 |
| 00:17.19 | Mr_Rabies | we had a hard time getting more than 3 stacks for a while |
| 00:17.22 | znf | stack up and kill boss |
| 00:17.27 | znf | wtf? |
| 00:17.41 | Mr_Rabies | we had a couple people doing 30k dps on that fight |
| 00:17.48 | znf | How? Auto-Attacking? |
| 00:18.01 | znf | I probably do 30k by using my wand on Shoot with that buff... |
| 00:18.05 | Mr_Rabies | being way undergeared because of not doing lfr, coins, etc |
| 00:18.18 | znf | that's not being undergeared... |
| 00:18.37 | znf | Most people killed that in blues... |
| 00:18.39 | Mr_Rabies | well, also not playing very well either ofc |
| 00:18.51 | znf | That's simply lack of skill and not doing their rotation properly |
| 00:19.00 | znf | The biggest problem we have is with DPS that can't DPS and Move at the same time |
| 00:19.17 | Mr_Rabies | most of the people that slack on the other regards also slack in terms of reforging, knowing their rotation, etc |
| 00:19.33 | foxlit | The "not playing well" is a much worse problem than not having the gear. Focus on that. |
| 00:19.34 | znf | tell them about askmrrobot, icyveins |
| 00:19.35 | znf | target dummy |
| 00:19.47 | Mr_Rabies | we have |
| 00:19.52 | znf | they're not perfect resources, but its' better than not knowing what button to press |
| 00:20.00 | znf | guild and realm? eu/us? |
| 00:20.10 | Mr_Rabies | council of chaos, llane us |
| 00:20.26 | znf | chaos indeed |
| 00:20.39 | znf | http://wowcheck.com/?zone=us&realm=Llane&guild=council%20of%20chaos |
| 00:21.31 | Mr_Rabies | we've got about...20 raiders at most |
| 00:21.37 | Mr_Rabies | 500 person guild |
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| 00:22.04 | Mr_Rabies | sort by ilvl and you'll see who the raiders are :p |
| 00:22.28 | Mr_Rabies | avionna was the one doing 30k on elegon |
| 00:22.38 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/Llane/Avionna/advanced |
| 00:22.55 | Mr_Rabies | she's good at avoiding fire, etc |
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| 00:23.06 | Mr_Rabies | but just...didn't know her rotation or something |
| 00:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | she replaced our mage that quit temporarily due to burnout |
| 00:23.34 | Mr_Rabies | he came back and we killed elegon that week |
| 00:23.55 | Mr_Rabies | he and i are the top two dps generally |
| 00:24.01 | foxlit | battle pets not level capped? NOT ACCEPTABLE! </joke> |
| 00:24.23 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't had time for battle pets :< |
| 00:24.36 | foxlit | there's a 3000 gold bag at the end! |
| 00:24.40 | Mr_Rabies | vp capping takes up most of my time |
| 00:24.47 | Mr_Rabies | pfft 3k is pocket change |
| 00:24.57 | Mr_Rabies | (not really) |
| 00:25.10 | Mr_Rabies | but it is pretty minor |
| 00:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | just my leg enchant is like 1000g |
| 00:26.58 | Dagmar | I suspect to have enough time for battle pets, you'd need to start playing by no later than your ninth birthday. |
| 00:27.18 | Dagmar | df -h |
| 00:30.10 | Mr_Rabies | i just feel like i've rarely got time to do what i want to do nowadays, until i'm over the "hump" |
| 00:30.20 | Mr_Rabies | which keeps extending with each patch |
| 00:30.41 | Mr_Rabies | if i only did what i enjoyed in wow i'd probably have quit by now |
| 00:31.29 | Mr_Rabies | since i mostly enjoy raiding with friends and doing old-world content, but would probably never have gotten geared enough to raid in time |
| 00:31.43 | Kaylin | needs one more reputation. |
| 00:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | if i didn't work my butt off, because i have really, really crappy luck when it comes to any kind of random drop |
| 00:32.11 | Mr_Rabies | i finished the big reps a while back, stopped right at revered because i hate dailies |
| 00:32.37 | Mr_Rabies | if they'd have made the "22 weeks for all the vp thing" more clear, i'd have felt less rushed then |
| 00:33.07 | Mr_Rabies | instead it took browsing youtube videos for someone to do the math for me |
| 00:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | it just feels like the design and the reality are a lot less synergistic so far this expansion |
| 00:34.31 | Mr_Rabies | people can say you can only do raids if you want, but the reality is, you've gotta play at least 20 hours a week outside of raids to keep up, until you get over the hump |
| 00:35.26 | Mr_Rabies | the hump never happens with vp though, anymore :| |
| 00:35.40 | Mr_Rabies | only rep and to an extent elder charms |
| 00:40.26 | znf | back |
| 00:40.42 | znf | I have time for pet battles while I wait 40m for LFR queues... |
| 00:41.44 | Mr_Rabies | i think this guy's asking me about my weapon |
| 00:41.47 | znf | * Disconnected (No such device or address). |
| 00:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | but i don't know portuguese |
| 00:41.53 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 00:41.55 | znf | I keep getting that |
| 00:41.58 | znf | I have no idea WTF means |
| 00:42.31 | znf | Mr_Rabies, maybe that mage's problem is that she is playing arcane when she's not supposed to? |
| 00:42.45 | Mr_Rabies | she was fire when she was doing 30k |
| 00:42.53 | znf | Target Dummy time, then |
| 00:42.59 | Mr_Rabies | she swapped to arcane to try to improve |
| 00:43.02 | Mr_Rabies | but it didn't really work |
| 00:43.23 | znf | Go kill that target dummy until you can do your rotation with your eyes closed |
| 00:43.59 | znf | The biggest facepalm I got this tier was from one of our shitty mages |
| 00:44.10 | znf | She was doing decent-to-good DPS for her gear when she didn't have to move |
| 00:44.23 | znf | But for some reasons when a fight involved movement, she was sub-par |
| 00:44.46 | mikma | i once saw a healer paladin like that |
| 00:44.52 | znf | I ask her about it |
| 00:44.53 | mikma | she was good when she could stand still |
| 00:45.07 | znf | And I finally found out.. She wasn't movign with WASD |
| 00:45.13 | mikma | but when she had to move even a littlebit, that screwed up her gameplay completely and she usually died |
| 00:45.33 | Mr_Rabies | znf, i don't have time to help her learn her rotation nor do i know mages at all |
| 00:45.35 | znf | She was moving by holding both buttons pressed on the mouse |
| 00:45.53 | znf | I literally facepalmed in front of my computer |
| 00:45.59 | mikma | lullul |
| 00:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | i do that sometimes :p |
| 00:47.27 | Mr_Rabies | i generally use autorun to 'move' and wsad to reposition as necessary |
| 00:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes i get lazy and press both mouse buttons |
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| 00:50.33 | Mr_Rabies | man, 5 mans are a lot better on tuesday, lol |
| 00:50.45 | Mr_Rabies | only doing 33% of the group's damage |
| 00:51.00 | znf | I did dungeons this week in disc spec |
| 00:51.07 | znf | and I was out-dpsing most dps in the group.. |
| 00:51.42 | Mr_Rabies | when i'm doing about 80k on the first boss of scholo and i'm only beating the #2 guy by a few percent |
| 00:51.43 | Mr_Rabies | i'm happy |
| 00:52.37 | znf | (also, disc attonement is damn powerful, I didn't use any other healing spell) |
| 00:52.43 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 00:53.01 | Mr_Rabies | i accidentally did grand empress in lfr last week naked |
| 00:53.03 | Mr_Rabies | :X |
| 00:53.19 | znf | LFR is even more sad |
| 00:53.40 | znf | I heal trough attonement and I get #1 or #2 on healing meters and 5-6 on dps... |
| 00:57.14 | mikma | znf: is disc still like it was in cata? |
| 00:57.29 | mikma | smite smite smite smite holy fire |
| 00:57.41 | znf | no idea, I really only use the attonemenet thingie |
| 00:57.46 | znf | ah, attonement, yeah |
| 00:57.58 | znf | I got the holy fire/smite glyph |
| 00:58.12 | mikma | in cata it was endless smite/holy fire spam on hostiles |
| 00:58.18 | mikma | that healed the people near the mob |
| 00:58.27 | znf | I do penance, holy fire, smite smite smite until the holy fire dot expirs |
| 00:58.31 | znf | then penance is available again |
| 00:58.42 | mikma | sound pretty much the same |
| 00:58.45 | mikma | which is sweet |
| 00:58.49 | znf | they increased the range to 40y though\ |
| 00:58.52 | znf | which is good |
| 00:58.57 | mikma | niiiice |
| 00:59.07 | znf | the healing was limited to 15y afaik |
| 00:59.20 | mikma | no the damage was shorter than the heal |
| 00:59.28 | mikma | heal was 40 and damage was 30 |
| 00:59.42 | znf | pretty sure it was 15y on attonement in Dragon Soul |
| 00:59.57 | znf | I remember being pissed that I was only healing shadowfiends and hunter pets @ Ultraxion |
| 01:01.07 | mikma | Like [Holy Shock], this spell has two ranges depending on its use. When used to attack, it has a 30 yard range; when used to heal, it has a 40 yard range. |
| 01:01.12 | mikma | that's 4.x penance |
| 01:01.57 | Arrowmaster | Adys: ping |
| 01:02.11 | Adys | pong Arrowmaster |
| 01:02.13 | znf | http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=196318/atonement-range |
| 01:02.14 | Adys | i didnt watch DW yet |
| 01:02.20 | znf | Telling you it was 15y :P |
| 01:02.21 | Arrowmaster | watch it |
| 01:02.26 | Adys | that good huh? |
| 01:02.31 | Arrowmaster | and i just opened one of my christmas gifts |
| 01:02.34 | znf | I remember I was doing that at Halfus on Heroic back in 4.0 |
| 01:03.08 | mikma | znf: i'm talking about penance |
| 01:03.30 | znf | oh, I was talking about Attonement |
| 01:03.36 | mikma | looololo |
| 01:03.41 | znf | the healing back was 15y from your target :P |
| 01:03.46 | foxlit | who does one have to kill to get loot from Vek'lor nowadays? |
| 01:04.05 | foxlit | He was kind of unlootable on my last 3 visits :/ |
| 01:04.07 | Funkeh` | does anyone know what format the music you download from beatport is in |
| 01:04.11 | znf | Vek'lor ? |
| 01:04.17 | znf | Funkeh`, 128kbps mp3 afaik |
| 01:04.26 | Funkeh` | well fuck that |
| 01:04.27 | Arrowmaster | Adys: http://imgur.com/4oxBm |
| 01:04.35 | mikma | znf: cause i thought that you were talking about penance's range ... see some lines up |
| 01:04.44 | znf | yeah, I realise the confusion :P |
| 01:04.50 | mikma | znf: you talked about penance and right after that you said about the range :D |
| 01:05.01 | Adys | Arrowmaster: nice |
| 01:05.11 | Adys | Arrowmaster: also on a scale of 1-10 how good was it? |
| 01:05.13 | Adys | the ep |
| 01:05.32 | Arrowmaster | i hate 1-10 scales |
| 01:05.41 | Arrowmaster | but i would say a 9 |
| 01:05.44 | Adys | on a scale of 1-15 then |
| 01:05.50 | znf | I keep hearing about Holy DPS in 5.1 |
| 01:05.52 | znf | Want to try it :P |
| 01:06.04 | znf | Supposedly it's higher single-target damage than shadow :-S |
| 01:06.08 | Adys | 9 is good but it'll have to wait a little |
| 01:06.11 | mikma | arrowmaster: is that a buttplug? |
| 01:06.18 | Adys | im going through Supernatural |
| 01:06.21 | foxlit | hm, I see the problem. He's not actually dying :/ |
| 01:06.50 | foxlit | Vek'nilash is at like 5%, vek'lor is at 50%. Shared health pool. You can't explain that. |
| 01:07.14 | znf | you dps'd him too fast! :P |
| 01:07.29 | mikma | so, you can duo whole Tempest Keep now |
| 01:07.44 | foxlit | mikma: you can solo the whole tempest keep, too |
| 01:08.04 | Adys | foxlit: this isnt a shared health pool like the last vault boss |
| 01:08.07 | mikma | foxlit: video or it's impossible (last boss mind control's and that makes him reset) |
| 01:08.17 | Adys | foxlit: they re-balance their hp every few secs |
| 01:08.40 | foxlit | Adys: yes, but that doesn't work. For some reason |
| 01:09.17 | znf | get them close together? |
| 01:09.36 | foxlit | They are close together |
| 01:13.11 | foxlit | heh, 1% vs 100% |
| 01:13.35 | foxlit | whatever the health link is, it is either too slow, or breaks when they're healing each other constantly |
| 01:14.26 | foxlit | which probably explains why I get no loot form vek'lor -- he isn't killed by me, but rather by anonymous encounter mechanics |
| 01:14.54 | Mr_Rabies | oh god |
| 01:15.09 | Mr_Rabies | i just realized our pally healer is 480...he started at the same time as us |
| 01:15.14 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 01:15.29 | Mr_Rabies | that...could be why we're having some problems with blade lord |
| 01:15.50 | Mr_Rabies | we just drop like a sack of potatoes during the tornado phase |
| 01:16.24 | foxlit | mikma: was never a problem for me, dunno why |
| 01:16.32 | znf | no, that's a tactic issue if you drop like hell |
| 01:16.54 | znf | before you run like idiots to the next side, heal everyone up |
| 01:17.06 | znf | aoe heals for a few seconds then run |
| 01:17.10 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, we've only pulled him a handful of times |
| 01:17.18 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, but the tornadoes go all the way to the wall? |
| 01:17.22 | znf | have druids tranquility |
| 01:17.24 | mikma | foxlit: he didn't mc you when you were solobeating his ass? |
| 01:17.27 | foxlit | no |
| 01:17.28 | mikma | http://residualvm.org/ |
| 01:17.29 | znf | you have time to heal up |
| 01:17.36 | foxlit | maybe they hotfixed him not to do it vs solo players in 5.1 |
| 01:17.47 | mikma | foxlit: interesting. that's what i heard that happened to a guildie too |
| 01:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, what pretty much worked last week, just not quite well enough |
| 01:18.24 | Mr_Rabies | was having the resto druid symbiosis the shaman, i symbiosis the shadow priest |
| 01:18.38 | foxlit | I find the advisors phase far more frustrating |
| 01:18.41 | Mr_Rabies | spriest gets tranq, resto druid gets uh |
| 01:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | the thing that lets them cast while moving |
| 01:19.02 | Mr_Rabies | i get dispersion, the shaman gets...prowl |
| 01:19.04 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:19.04 | mikma | LIKE DRUIDS GONNA NEED THAT |
| 01:19.13 | Mr_Rabies | advisors phase? |
| 01:19.19 | mikma | cause you know, hot hot hot lol troll hot hot hot |
| 01:20.06 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: 3. |
| 01:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | of what, blade lord? |
| 01:20.14 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 01:20.26 | foxlit | kael'thas in tempest keep, keep up. |
| 01:20.27 | foxlit | :P |
| 01:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | ohh |
| 01:20.47 | Mr_Rabies | i think we've got blade lord either this week or next, depending on who can show up |
| 01:21.01 | Mr_Rabies | next 5 attempts i think |
| 01:21.07 | Mr_Rabies | elegon so far is our biggest wall |
| 01:21.16 | Mr_Rabies | mostly because we had people leaving for burnout and replacing them was a nightmare |
| 01:21.20 | kullervo | heroic? |
| 01:21.23 | Mr_Rabies | normal |
| 01:21.25 | mikma | shaman with prowl |
| 01:21.31 | mikma | that's gonna be interesting |
| 01:21.40 | kullervo | Oh. Lack of dps? My guild's biggest issue there |
| 01:21.43 | mikma | is there a range for symbiosis? |
| 01:21.47 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 01:21.52 | Mr_Rabies | replacements were all pretty awful |
| 01:21.55 | kullervo | now I oneshotted it in a pug with people who'd never been there :D |
| 01:22.10 | Mr_Rabies | 30 yard to cast it, when targets are more than ~100 yards apart it breaks, mikma |
| 01:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | i thnik |
| 01:22.37 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/news=206202/mists-of-pandaria-druid-class-preview#druidability-symbiosis |
| 01:22.55 | mikma | lol lol mage's get healing touch |
| 01:23.04 | mikma | that's.... nice with that manapool |
| 01:23.47 | Adys | it is |
| 01:23.53 | Adys | i saved the tank more than once with symbiosis |
| 01:23.55 | mikma | so basicly shaman and druid is gonna be a bitch compo in pvp now |
| 01:24.39 | Mr_Rabies | not really, not like shaman get anything that does a ton of damage coming out of prowl |
| 01:25.03 | Mr_Rabies | but also, balancing for arenas is terrible anyway |
| 01:25.04 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 01:25.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's too tough and that effort should go towards balancing for rbgs |
| 01:26.08 | mikma | mr_rabies: it's not about the burst, it's the element of surprise |
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| 01:30.02 | znf | It's about me breaking your surprise with Halo :D |
| 01:33.38 | mikma | oh man |
| 01:33.52 | mikma | symbiosis sucks |
| 01:34.27 | Mr_Rabies | it mostly does |
| 01:34.33 | mikma | gonna be a bitch to add all those spells in OhSnap |
| 01:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not even sure how it works for other classes |
| 01:35.07 | mikma | Hunter... Dash |
| 01:35.18 | Mr_Rabies | does it add something to their spellbar? or only their spellbook? do they have to drag out different spells depending on spec? |
| 01:35.23 | mikma | Priest, Cyclone .. |
| 01:35.33 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: spellbook, single spell |
| 01:35.39 | mikma | mr_rabies: it adds a new spell in spellbook which you can drag into bars |
| 01:35.52 | mikma | an when it's not active, it'll turn into symbiosis button that does nothing |
| 01:36.00 | Mr_Rabies | ah, it stays in the spellbook |
| 01:36.01 | Mr_Rabies | interesting |
| 01:36.02 | mikma | when the link is made, it'll turn into correct spell |
| 01:36.08 | mikma | no. doesn't stay |
| 01:36.15 | mikma | it appears there when the link is made |
| 01:36.17 | foxlit | oh, it exists. |
| 01:36.26 | foxlit | It's merely hidden from you by the spellbook when you don't have symbiosis on you |
| 01:36.29 | mikma | exists, but is not visible |
| 01:36.43 | foxlit | API-wise, it's still in your spellbook :) |
| 01:36.45 | znf | the only good use so far I found for bear tanks :P |
| 01:37.04 | znf | I get consecration from paladins, holy paladins get rebirth |
| 01:37.14 | mikma | znf: be a druid resto and symb priests, you'll get grip :D |
| 01:37.27 | znf | I'm a priest, I don't need Tranquility |
| 01:37.46 | mikma | go disc, cyclone ... |
| 01:37.46 | foxlit | znf: symb monks and get 10% dodge; or symb DKs and get bone shield |
| 01:37.55 | znf | I know |
| 01:37.59 | znf | I don't like either of those |
| 01:38.02 | znf | I prefer Consecration |
| 01:38.09 | foxlit | meh, have enough aoe abilities |
| 01:38.20 | znf | not really, aoe threat on druids kind of sucks :( |
| 01:38.42 | znf | it's a bit difficult for me to get the initial aggro |
| 01:41.24 | foxlit | hm, I wonder if glare/bear rhymes. |
| 01:43.33 | Mr_Rabies | the rage classes don't have anywhere near the snap aggro as the non-rage classes |
| 01:43.49 | Mr_Rabies | gotta build up rage to build up aoe threat |
| 01:44.05 | Mr_Rabies | which a lot of people aren't used to, since there are so many pallies and dks |
| 01:44.22 | znf | rage is not a problem |
| 01:44.31 | znf | DKs pop D&D and poof, everything attacks them |
| 01:44.40 | znf | paladins do their bouncing shield thignie and poof, aggro |
| 01:45.06 | Mr_Rabies | having something to do instantly with a wide range on it is pretty huge for snap aggro |
| 01:45.09 | mckenziemc | places znf on cooldown. |
| 01:45.43 | Mr_Rabies | instead of building rage to cast thrash and swipe, both of which can miss, have cooldowns, and aren't really that huge, aoe-wise |
| 01:45.57 | Mr_Rabies | oh wait |
| 01:46.00 | Mr_Rabies | trash is free now |
| 01:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't played much guardian lately |
| 01:46.08 | znf | the cooldown is annoying, that's the problem |
| 01:46.16 | znf | but without the cooldown, trash is damn powerful |
| 01:46.24 | Mr_Rabies | trash, dangit |
| 01:46.25 | Mr_Rabies | thrash |
| 01:46.29 | Mr_Rabies | i mispelled it and then you did |
| 01:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 01:46.56 | foxlit | "Mr_Rabies: gotta build up rage to build up aoe threat" << actually, all druid attacks that aren't rage-sinks are free. |
| 01:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | well, the only aoe stuff we have are thrash and swipe |
| 01:47.57 | Mr_Rabies | and maul can be a 2-target cleave when glyphed |
| 01:48.24 | Mr_Rabies | but it costs 30 rage |
| 01:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | i only have 6 bear-only abilities in feral spec... |
| 01:49.19 | Mr_Rabies | 8 in guardian |
| 01:50.31 | znf | does Parry exist on tank gear anymore? |
| 01:50.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, on plate |
| 01:50.57 | znf | nevermind, it does |
| 01:50.58 | znf | yeah :P |
| 01:51.24 | Mr_Rabies | there's not any agi gear with dodge on it, is there |
| 01:51.58 | Mr_Rabies | ah, the guardian tier set |
| 01:52.09 | Mr_Rabies | shoulders |
| 01:52.10 | Mr_Rabies | it looks like |
| 01:52.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, the tank monk/guardian bear tier shoulders are it |
| 01:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | wonder how easy tanking these 5 mans is without any reforging to dodge |
| 01:53.16 | Mr_Rabies | i imagine it's fine |
| 01:53.34 | foxlit | well, this is ridiculous. I can't actually kill twin emps as balance |
| 01:54.14 | Mr_Rabies | whaaat? |
| 01:54.19 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 01:54.29 | Mr_Rabies | i killed them as feral no problem whatsoever |
| 01:54.55 | foxlit | apply perception |
| 01:55.00 | foxlit | feral is not balance :) |
| 01:55.12 | Mr_Rabies | i would help but my guild may or may not be doing something in a few minutes |
| 01:55.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but isn't one just immune to melee, the other to magic? |
| 01:55.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'd imagine it'd be similarly easy :o |
| 01:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | i actually pulled all the trash prior to them too and still had no problem |
| 01:56.11 | foxlit | vek'nilash does a knock up every ~5 seconds |
| 01:57.01 | foxlit | as feral, you don't care, because you aren't trying to cast spells |
| 01:57.13 | Mr_Rabies | bah got dced |
| 01:57.29 | Mr_Rabies | what i said during that was "i'm not saying you're messing it up, i just can't remember the fight well enough" |
| 01:57.32 | znf | Mr_Rabies, I don't have any dodge on my gear as a guardian |
| 01:57.39 | Mr_Rabies | then, "ah, that'd do it then probably :P" |
| 01:57.59 | Mr_Rabies | and then "MOONFARESPAM" |
| 01:57.59 | foxlit | it's entirely possible that I'm doing it wrong :) |
| 01:58.00 | znf | Don't think anyone is reforging/gemming for dodge |
| 01:58.11 | Mr_Rabies | ah really? |
| 01:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | i thought you were supposed to reforge everything to dodge but gem for agi |
| 01:58.24 | znf | Pretty much all druid tanks I know are geared up for a rage build |
| 01:58.27 | Mr_Rabies | i'm way, way out of the loop |
| 01:58.47 | znf | Could be true for heroic content, maybe... |
| 01:59.00 | znf | But reforging stuff to dodge barely gives you 1-2% dodge |
| 01:59.02 | znf | so it's not worth it |
| 01:59.09 | Mr_Rabies | i thought dodge WAS rage |
| 01:59.13 | znf | nah |
| 01:59.18 | Mr_Rabies | i know you don't have the regular rage gen |
| 01:59.27 | Mr_Rabies | but i thought there was still a passive for dodging giving some rage though |
| 01:59.48 | znf | pretty sure it's not anymore, I mean, you no longer go around with insane dodge values as a druid |
| 01:59.58 | znf | you used to run around with 40-50% dodge passive |
| 02:00.07 | znf | now that is triggered by Savage Defense |
| 02:00.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i'm way out of the loop |
| 02:00.54 | Mr_Rabies | i wasn't too happy with how simplistic it is so i kind of stopped looking into it |
| 02:01.04 | Mr_Rabies | it's my second spec, but i never use it short of soloing old content |
| 02:01.09 | znf | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=16961 |
| 02:01.18 | znf | so you want crit and agi :) |
| 02:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 02:01.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'm mastery-focused but have a lot of everything |
| 02:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | should be fine for 5 mans then |
| 02:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | almost hitcapped despite reforging off all my hit |
| 02:02.16 | znf | Get hit capped, get EXP capped |
| 02:02.19 | Mr_Rabies | 3.58% expertise is my weakest stat and i'm okay witht that |
| 02:02.21 | znf | stack crit and agi |
| 02:02.22 | znf | pewpewpew |
| 02:02.29 | Mr_Rabies | eh i'm just gonna do 5 mans |
| 02:02.33 | Mr_Rabies | don't need to cap |
| 02:02.36 | znf | I did 450k DPS @ Wind Lord in HoF :D |
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| 02:03.06 | Mr_Rabies | feral's too fun to do guardian for anything but skipping queues |
| 02:03.22 | znf | I can't exactly "get" the feral rotation after this time |
| 02:03.29 | znf | there's just something that I don't like about it |
| 02:03.30 | znf | no idea what |
| 02:03.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's not as smooth as last tier |
| 02:03.42 | Mr_Rabies | at all |
| 02:03.58 | Mr_Rabies | it doesn't synergize nearly as well and it's kind of awkward and offbalance most of the time |
| 02:03.59 | znf | but I really like tanking though :D |
| 02:04.15 | znf | I liked it in 4.3 more when I could use the hybrid bear/cat spec |
| 02:04.15 | Mr_Rabies | before it was really easy to keep your dots rolling |
| 02:04.24 | Mr_Rabies | now keeping SR up always gets in the way |
| 02:04.31 | znf | tank died? switch to bear and tank the boss happily |
| 02:04.44 | Mr_Rabies | i still do that |
| 02:04.52 | znf | not as affective as it used to be :( |
| 02:04.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 02:05.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad hybrid specs are gone though |
| 02:05.06 | znf | I'm not :( |
| 02:05.08 | znf | it was fun |
| 02:05.11 | Mr_Rabies | they were either overpowered or awful |
| 02:05.19 | Mr_Rabies | depending on the situation |
| 02:05.30 | Mr_Rabies | and that made them a total pain to balance |
| 02:05.34 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad they're gone |
| 02:05.34 | znf | I'm only talking about the hybrid bear/cat though |
| 02:05.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 02:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really glad feral and guardian are seperate specs now |
| 02:06.02 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully it will mean guardian gets more toys as it goes along |
| 02:06.03 | znf | I'm not :( |
| 02:06.05 | znf | It's clunky |
| 02:06.06 | Mr_Rabies | right now it's so barebones |
| 02:06.38 | Mr_Rabies | feral needs less toys, tb |
| 02:06.40 | Mr_Rabies | tbh |
| 02:06.48 | Mr_Rabies | they should roll SR back into the baseline again |
| 02:06.50 | znf | probably :P |
| 02:06.55 | Mr_Rabies | remove mangle |
| 02:06.58 | znf | I'm really having issues doing proper dps |
| 02:07.15 | Mr_Rabies | make shred just do 20% more dps from behind, and make it easier to tell when you're attacking from behind |
| 02:07.16 | znf | I'm also annoyed that tier sets are separate now :( |
| 02:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not |
| 02:07.29 | znf | bear/cat was fun to have the same one |
| 02:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | it means more powerful bonuses for each down the line |
| 02:07.35 | znf | now it's a pain to gear both |
| 02:07.51 | Mr_Rabies | the talents were so broken and such a mess for so long |
| 02:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | because two roles in one spec is impossible |
| 02:08.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's why they're hesitant to give demo warlocks tanking in any form |
| 02:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | because they'd have to kill the dps potential of demo to do it |
| 02:08.35 | Mr_Rabies | or split them |
| 02:09.18 | znf | no, that's because a ranged caster is a retarded idea :P |
| 02:09.25 | Mr_Rabies | tank :p |
| 02:09.31 | znf | tank, sorry |
| 02:09.36 | Mr_Rabies | well that's the thing |
| 02:09.37 | znf | and we don't really need MORE tank specs in game |
| 02:09.42 | Mr_Rabies | properly done, it wouldn't be ranged really |
| 02:09.54 | znf | then roll a tanking class, big deal... |
| 02:10.00 | Mr_Rabies | they already made most of the ranged stuff convert to melee-range stuff when you transform |
| 02:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | that was the excuse for druids having crappy tanking until tbc |
| 02:10.14 | Mr_Rabies | i don't buy it :p |
| 02:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | i think more options are better, not less |
| 02:10.49 | Mr_Rabies | i think the pure dps classes should all have hybrid roles |
| 02:11.09 | Mr_Rabies | only problem is i can only think of tank offroles for all of them, except the lock |
| 02:11.27 | Mr_Rabies | the lock could be a tank or a healer, but mages really could only tank, and same with hunters |
| 02:12.17 | Mr_Rabies | locks could have a metamorphosis-based tank spec, and a dotting/lifesapping heal spec |
| 02:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | mages could tank with frost or a mixture of the magic types, and hunters could have pet tanks |
| 02:13.04 | foxlit | 10 minutes later, it died. |
| 02:13.09 | foxlit | To mad moonfire spam. |
| 02:13.14 | Mr_Rabies | so it worked! |
| 02:13.26 | Mr_Rabies | you may wanna get some engie bombs or something to help for next time |
| 02:13.32 | foxlit | I spent 10 minutes spamming moonfire :/ |
| 02:13.44 | foxlit | This isn't how you're supposed to play balance :( |
| 02:13.58 | Mr_Rabies | it was when i knew balance |
| 02:14.09 | Mr_Rabies | get a high dps mace with str |
| 02:14.12 | znf | I still see them doing that in PvP |
| 02:14.15 | Mr_Rabies | melee, moonfarespam |
| 02:14.21 | znf | moonfire, moonfire, moonfire, moonfire |
| 02:14.24 | znf | poof, you'rea dead |
| 02:14.25 | znf | O.O |
| 02:14.45 | Mr_Rabies | melee regen'd mana for more moonfarez |
| 02:14.56 | foxlit | and there are no convinient self-heals in that rotation :( |
| 02:16.28 | foxlit | in retrospect, my moonkin gear sucks |
| 02:17.40 | znf | hmmm |
| 02:17.41 | znf | weird |
| 02:17.45 | znf | our femtocell doesn't work |
| 02:18.02 | Mr_Rabies | which carrier? |
| 02:18.19 | znf | Vodafone |
| 02:18.50 | znf | WTF is up with so many people getting the Onyxia mount on x-mass |
| 02:18.57 | znf | there's like 4 screenshots on r/wow |
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| 02:25.55 | pompy | znf: gimme one. |
| 02:30.10 | Thunder_Child | pompy: earn one |
| 02:30.41 | pompy | what did they do to earn it ? ;) |
| 02:30.56 | Thunder_Child | played wow..... |
| 02:34.19 | pompy | link? |
| 02:35.26 | Thunder_Child | it is a joke pompy, to get the mount you have to play wow. |
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| 02:55.35 | Kraps | huh? |
| 02:55.51 | Kraps | whats about the Onyxia mount? |
| 02:55.54 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.12 | foxlit | "You guys should totally let us display ads to you!" |
| 03:03.39 | znf | Kraps, there's like 4 posts on r/wow of people who got the onyxia mount today |
| 03:03.54 | Kraps | why |
| 03:04.02 | znf | by killing it...?! |
| 03:04.10 | znf | let me rephrase it |
| 03:04.25 | znf | There's like 4 screenshots of people getting the mount dropping from onyxia today. |
| 03:04.41 | foxlit | confirmation bias |
| 03:04.51 | foxlit | even worse, hivemind confirmation bias |
| 03:05.04 | znf | still weird |
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| 03:19.23 | kd3 | ...snowmen? |
| 03:19.29 | kd3 | what the hell kind of enemy was that? |
| 03:20.57 | foxlit | one that melts naturally in a couple of months |
| 03:24.07 | kd3 | wow. my family's crazy, but thankfully not this crazy: http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2012/12/20121225-132756.html |
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| 04:34.38 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://amzn.com/B009MCRHH6 AotD |
| 04:35.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah i saw it, but ive already got it from humble anyway |
| 04:36.04 | pompy | nice |
| 04:36.17 | pompy | so they dont run multiple humbles at the same time? or do they? |
| 04:36.35 | Arrowmaster | they dont |
| 05:01.33 | pompy | http://youtu.be/C3pQi09ANH0 :) |
| 05:25.33 | karl_w_w | my guild guild master got a dalaran t-shirt for christmas :P |
| 05:28.29 | Wobin | <3's Boxing Day |
| 05:30.12 | karl_w_w | do you Wobin? do you really? |
| 05:30.18 | Wobin | I do. |
| 05:30.24 | Wobin | Cause I have to go back to work tomorrow |
| 05:30.40 | Wobin | and I wisely decided to stay home instead of shopping |
| 05:31.31 | karl_w_w | why would anyone go shopping |
| 05:31.33 | Wobin | cause http://t.co/ydyRMGqi |
| 05:32.02 | foxlit | everything is closed till the 27th anyway |
| 05:32.25 | Wobin | Not here =P |
| 05:32.29 | Wobin | Boxing Day sales! |
| 05:33.01 | Wobin | Similar, I guess, to the American Black Friday sales |
| 05:33.06 | Wobin | except with better weather |
| 05:33.43 | karl_w_w | better? |
| 05:34.00 | karl_w_w | 38 C is better than nothing |
| 05:34.07 | karl_w_w | except 40, I guess |
| 05:34.32 | karl_w_w | holy crap, thursday friday 40 C, saturday sunday 41 C |
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| 05:34.57 | Wobin | Eh, only 21 here |
| 05:36.02 | karl_w_w | we've only had 608mm of rain this year |
| 05:36.11 | karl_w_w | 260 down on last year |
| 05:40.26 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if its snowing yet |
| 05:40.50 | Arrowmaster | we still have a blizzard warning |
| 05:46.12 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.33 | Wobin | foxlit: you have very specific fetishes =) |
| 05:47.09 | foxlit | okay, so I typed that into google, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsXjqdzaOaw |
| 05:47.57 | Wobin | looks like foxlit is set for the next... *checks* ... half minute =P |
| 05:48.55 | Wobin | although the last frame in the video is a bit... confusing |
| 05:49.27 | Wobin | is that someone wearing a box on their head with a tommy gun? |
| 05:49.44 | foxlit | has got to be like the worst still possible of that scene in skyfall |
| 05:58.13 | Neffi | Can somebody with a resolution other than Nx768 do this and give me the result? |
| 05:58.28 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.41 | Neffi | also UIParent:GetHeight() |
| 05:59.47 | foxlit | UIParent has no parent so effective scale and scale should be the same. |
| 05:59.54 | Neffi | i just want to make sure |
| 05:59.57 | Neffi | but that is true |
| 06:00.15 | Neffi | I wanna see if the height is still always 768 |
| 06:00.24 | Neffi | Also I should mention, I care about the scale with uiscale turned OFF |
| 06:00.27 | Neffi | to see if it's always 1 |
| 06:00.48 | Neffi | oh wait I can just change my resolution. nevermind. |
| 06:02.57 | Neffi | Does anyone know of an up-to-date list of secondary class resources (like runes, holy power, etc) for every class/spec? |
| 06:03.54 | foxlit | maybe http://www.wowpedia.org/Resource_mechanics |
| 06:04.23 | karl_w_w | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/Constants.lua |
| 06:04.34 | karl_w_w | under -- power types |
| 06:05.45 | Neffi | karl_w_w: I'm also interested in mechanics that are represented as auras(/stacks) as not available through UnitPower(...) |
| 06:06.10 | Neffi | foxlit: Ah, thanks. Last I checked it was out of date. I see it's been udpated. |
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| 06:38.33 | karl_w_w | that wowpedia list isn't complete then, Neffi |
| 06:38.53 | Neffi | =/ |
| 06:39.11 | Neffi | Well I just remember Wowhead has pages for each class, which I believe details secondary resources. |
| 06:39.17 | karl_w_w | it doesn't have maelstrom weapon or fingers of frost, for example |
| 06:39.22 | Neffi | So that'll probably be up-to-date when I do get around to coding them in |
| 06:39.52 | Neffi | Hmm. I didn't consider Fingers of Frost a 2ndary resource, but implenting it would actually be interesting |
| 06:40.17 | Neffi | I was looking for ways to make important things more obvious than just using buff frames. Thanks for the idea. |
| 06:43.56 | Neffi | If you know of any complete resources on those mechanics, let me know |
| 06:46.17 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/7wmDB.jpg |
| 06:47.06 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 06:51.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/EE053.jpg alright this is just redundant |
| 06:52.31 | Semlar | i think i need to do some filtering |
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| 06:55.46 | karl_w_w | i love when things come with so much packaging that you have to play tetris to get the empty packaging back in the box it all came in |
| 07:03.32 | Semlar | i think they use some sort of compression algorithm |
| 07:03.46 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 07:04.08 | Wobin | I am the man who arranges the blocks that descend upon me from up above |
| 07:04.28 | Semlar | a collective regime of peace and love |
| 07:07.14 | karl_w_w | they seem to use some kind of ultra-sticky stickytape as well |
| 07:07.31 | karl_w_w | very rarely can you peel that stuff off, you have to cut it |
| 07:08.17 | Semlar | i'm afraid it's terminal |
| 07:17.56 | Jamash | so I have this crazy idea |
| 07:18.01 | Jamash | let me tell you about it |
| 07:18.08 | Neffi | karl_w_w: You know your packaging department has succeeded in being totally fucking convoluted when organizing the packaging is NP-Hard |
| 07:19.13 | Jamash | my laptop is functional except it overheats, because a 1/4" spacer between the motherboard and the video card snapped off |
| 07:20.07 | Jamash | the metal plate that presses the heat pipes against the gpu heatsink was held down by a screw that went into this spacer |
| 07:20.36 | Jamash | I'm thinking I could use thermal adhesive to glue the gpu/heatsink/heatpipe assemblage together |
| 07:21.16 | karl_w_w | think again |
| 07:21.22 | Semlar | duck tape |
| 07:21.29 | Jamash | quack quack |
| 07:22.17 | Jamash | karl_w_w: genuine feedback or ordineary IRC stream of consciousness reply? |
| 07:22.33 | Jamash | s/ea/a/ |
| 07:23.19 | karl_w_w | you should always think twice when gluing things together |
| 07:23.26 | Jamash | I am |
| 07:23.31 | karl_w_w | that's not to say it wouldn't work :P |
| 07:23.49 | Jamash | I'm planning on posting about it on enthusiast/overclocking forums tomorrow |
| 07:23.53 | karl_w_w | although are the parts supposed to be able to move with expansion etc |
| 07:24.03 | Jamash | I don't know! good question |
| 07:26.03 | Wobin | Semlar: You look like you're having fun with those maps =P |
| 07:26.21 | Semlar | maybe |
| 07:26.38 | Wobin | I had enough trouble with the stupid flight maps and random magic numbers I had to figure out =P |
| 07:26.40 | Jamash | turn left in 120 yards for thunder bluff |
| 07:26.52 | Wobin | "Please mind the gap" |
| 07:26.53 | Semlar | thunder bluff thunder bluff thunder bluff |
| 07:26.55 | Jamash | thud |
| 07:27.10 | Jamash | I really enjoy being able to simply leap off thunder bluff on my pandaren |
| 07:27.25 | Wobin | PS, also, zenflight |
| 07:27.26 | Jamash | eff you gravityyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 07:27.31 | Jamash | not high enough level |
| 07:27.35 | Jamash | computer's busted :P |
| 07:27.52 | Wobin | zenflight is so underrated for questing |
| 07:27.56 | Jamash | oh I so want it |
| 07:31.01 | Neffi | Question: I'm looking to encode information about a message in the chat frame within the message itself. Is it a bad idea to append it to the end after a NULL character? |
| 07:31.14 | Neffi | eg on AddMessage, text = text .. "\000<my info>" |
| 07:31.18 | Jamash | I don't think you can send nulls |
| 07:31.20 | Jamash | I could be wrong |
| 07:31.29 | Neffi | no, store it within the string in the chat frame's AddMessage |
| 07:31.54 | Jamash | I'm confused, you're not talking about sending it to another player, just attach it to the gui? |
| 07:32.04 | Neffi | print('testing\000testing'). It doesn't show up if printed like that, so I *can* encode the info that way. I'm just wondering if it'll break any addons in ways I'm not considering. |
| 07:32.07 | Neffi | yes |
| 07:32.15 | Wobin | Can't you use the addon channel? |
| 07:32.24 | Wobin | (to transfer info?) |
| 07:32.26 | Neffi | I want to encode the info within the GUI itself |
| 07:32.27 | Neffi | not send it |
| 07:32.38 | Jamash | I can't say anything in particular will go wrong but I wouldn't due to the inherent cruftiness of it |
| 07:32.44 | Semlar | you could make it a hyperlink to hide it |
| 07:32.53 | Wobin | it seems very side-effecty |
| 07:33.14 | Jamash | ^ |
| 07:33.19 | Semlar | like just not put anything for the text |
| 07:33.23 | Neffi | say I make a series of FontStrings which attach to the individual FontStrings inside the chat frame to show a timestamp. It would only need to read: fstring:GetText():gsub('\000(.*)$') to get the time |
| 07:33.34 | Neffi | I was thinking hyperlink too |
| 07:33.46 | Shadowed | you sound like you're doing something crazy |
| 07:33.48 | Shadowed | don't do that |
| 07:33.53 | Wobin | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 07:34.00 | Neffi | I'll show you in a sec |
| 07:34.02 | Jamash | you want to start with the cleanest possible design and make concessions to practicality, not the other way around |
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| 07:34.29 | Shadowed | If you're spending a lot of time determining if what you're going to do is break other addons |
| 07:34.33 | Shadowed | it's probably a bad idea |
| 07:34.36 | Jamash | ^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:34.41 | Semlar | don't let that stop you |
| 07:34.50 | Jamash | ~lart Semlar |
| 07:34.50 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of Semlar's pants |
| 07:34.55 | Neffi | See the chat frame in this screenshot: http://i48.tinypic.com/j982sn.png |
| 07:35.00 | Semlar | just what the doctor ordered |
| 07:35.01 | Neffi | the timestamps are separate fontstrings |
| 07:35.03 | Neffi | this is just a mockup |
| 07:35.22 | Neffi | Making separate fontstrings like this is proving difficult due to the complexity of the chat frame |
| 07:35.30 | Jamash | store the data as date in a data structure, which is a structure designed to contain data |
| 07:35.37 | Neffi | encoding the info right in the message and then just hooking OnTextChanged (or something similar) would make it simple |
| 07:35.39 | Jamash | s/date/data/ |
| 07:35.40 | Shadowed | what you're doing to do is a weird hack and you probably shouldn't do it |
| 07:35.54 | Shadowed | There are better ways, like by storing the info by the chat string and looking it up |
| 07:36.01 | Shadowed | more work, but not it's not a crazy approach |
| 07:36.15 | Shadowed | but in general, what you're trying to do sounds like a bad idea and not something you really want to do |
| 07:36.16 | Neffi | But sometimes the same message appears multiple times |
| 07:36.20 | Shadowed | afaik |
| 07:36.20 | Neffi | at different times |
| 07:36.25 | Semlar | there's no unique identifier for the message? |
| 07:36.26 | Shadowed | you can get an unique message ID |
| 07:36.32 | Shadowed | because Blizzard uses that to let you report them |
| 07:36.39 | Neffi | Oh you can? |
| 07:36.47 | Neffi | Know where it's stored? |
| 07:36.50 | nebula169 | there's a line number, but it recycles |
| 07:36.53 | Shadowed | and it's easy enough to do things like. Record time + message, if you see multiple messages, keep a counter or something |
| 07:37.02 | Shadowed | it's from the chat event |
| 07:37.06 | Shadowed | I don't remember offhand |
| 07:37.15 | Shadowed | It recycles, but I assume it takes a lot of lines to recycle |
| 07:37.28 | nebula169 | yea, i don't recall off hand |
| 07:37.32 | Shadowed | but it's easy enough to test |
| 07:37.55 | Jamash | arg11 according to the pedia |
| 07:38.21 | Semlar | i honestly would probably just shove it into the message myself because i wouldn't feel like looking all this stuff up |
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| 07:39.05 | Neffi | |Hplayer:name:2199:{...}|h <- is the 2199 the unique ID part? |
| 07:39.15 | Shadowed | doing it the bad way gets it done faster, but it makes people like me hate you when I find out why you broke something of mine cause you were lazy |
| 07:39.16 | Shadowed | yes |
| 07:39.18 | Shadowed | that looks like it |
| 07:39.26 | Shadowed | just dumb a lot of messages and see, it's easy enough to confirm that way |
| 07:39.40 | Shadowed | s/dumb/dump/ |
| 07:39.42 | Semlar | wouldn't 2199 be a reference to the player somehow |
| 07:39.43 | Jamash | hey shadowed |
| 07:39.43 | Neffi | Ah I see. Only there for player hyperlinls |
| 07:39.50 | Shadowed | not likely |
| 07:39.55 | Jamash | have I told you lately that I love your unit frames? |
| 07:39.59 | Shadowed | probably |
| 07:40.00 | Neffi | Semlar: It seems to be just a counter that increments each message |
| 07:40.06 | Neffi | the next one was another player and it said 2200 |
| 07:40.10 | Semlar | alright |
| 07:40.14 | Jamash | player GUID is arg12 on the event |
| 07:40.19 | Semlar | but it also would only be there for messages with player links |
| 07:40.47 | Neffi | yeah |
| 07:40.51 | Jamash | is there a reason you're not just modifying the text? |
| 07:40.52 | Neffi | I'm looking to timestamp everything |
| 07:40.54 | Semlar | i was going to mention just put the timestamp inside the player link but i realized you were displaying it for every message and it wouldn't work |
| 07:41.03 | Neffi | and some messages show up multiple times, at different times, with nothing unique in them |
| 07:41.21 | Neffi | Semlar: Yeah I was gonna put the timestamp at the end of the message after a \000 |
| 07:42.00 | Jamash | just assign a unique ID to every message as it comes in |
| 07:42.11 | Semlar | how, he'd have to tag it |
| 07:42.17 | Jamash | how what |
| 07:42.27 | Semlar | there isn't a permanent reference to that message |
| 07:42.29 | Jamash | so? |
| 07:42.37 | Semlar | he'd have to store something in it, right |
| 07:42.43 | Jamash | why? |
| 07:43.10 | Jamash | I feel like I'm missing something important here |
| 07:43.40 | Neffi | Jamash: The issue is, when you scroll up and down in the chat frame, the chat frame's fontstrings' text change. When that happens, I need to rescan all the strings, find their timestamp, and display it |
| 07:43.52 | Jamash | so, uh, store it as text |
| 07:43.58 | Jamash | at the beginning of the string |
| 07:44.02 | Jamash | formatted as a timestamp |
| 07:44.04 | Neffi | How do I know which copy of the message relates to which timestamp, if multiple copies of the same message appear at different times? |
| 07:44.21 | Neffi | See the screenshot I posted. The timestamp is in a different fontstring |
| 07:44.22 | Jamash | edit the incoming string and put the timestamp in it, isn't that what the blizzard UI does? |
| 07:44.24 | Semlar | he wants to display it in a different fontstring |
| 07:44.46 | Semlar | and the ui DOES have the timestamp so uhh |
| 07:44.54 | Semlar | you must be able to get it for a message |
| 07:45.04 | Jamash | sounds to me like you want to reimplement the chat frame without reimplementing the chat frame |
| 07:45.18 | Neffi | I want to reimplement the timestamps |
| 07:45.21 | Jamash | I do not recommend this course of action |
| 07:45.46 | Neffi | I considered reimplementing the chat frame so I could modify it heavily in other ways, but the prospect of breaking every chat frame addon in existence was too mcuh |
| 07:46.04 | Jamash | ah, see, you should have listened to your common sense there |
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| 07:46.40 | Neffi | What? |
| 07:46.43 | Semlar | nevermind, the timestamps in the ui aren't for every message |
| 07:47.05 | Jamash | that what you're talking about requires you to reimplement the chat frame, which is not worth it |
| 07:47.22 | Semlar | worth what, the 3 lines it would take to hook it and add the timestamp |
| 07:47.23 | Neffi | It doesn't require I reimplement anything. |
| 07:48.03 | Jamash | you're saying "I can't do this because of the way the chat frame is designed" and I'm telling you that you either have to change the chat frame (break everything) or don't do it |
| 07:48.15 | Semlar | those are not the two choices |
| 07:48.39 | Semlar | appending an invisible string to the chat message isn't going to break everything |
| 07:48.56 | Neffi | I didn't say I can't do it. I asked if doing it a certain way could break any addons in ways I hadn't yet considered |
| 07:49.04 | Jamash | just install prat and move on with your life |
| 07:49.13 | Neffi | No thanks |
| 07:49.18 | Jamash | why not? |
| 07:49.26 | Neffi | Because I want MY chat frame |
| 07:49.30 | Neffi | not Prat's or Blizzard's |
| 07:49.37 | Jamash | no you don't :) |
| 07:49.46 | Neffi | ~slap Jamash |
| 07:49.46 | purl | ACTION slaps Jamash, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 07:50.14 | Jamash | you want to customize the chat frame in ways that involve fundamentally altering its structure without the pain and suffering that goes along with it |
| 07:50.33 | Jamash | this way lies madness |
| 07:50.46 | Jamash | MADNESS |
| 07:51.56 | Jamash | how does the chat frame store scrollback history? |
| 07:52.13 | Jamash | I'm having an idea |
| 07:52.54 | Jamash | an idea which is *at least as crazy* but doesn't involve abusing nulls |
| 07:53.31 | Neffi | What's your idea? |
| 07:53.38 | Jamash | mmmmmmmmmetatables |
| 07:53.46 | Neffi | I could abuse invisible hyperlinks but that doesn't make it any better |
| 07:53.49 | Neffi | also, elaborate? |
| 07:54.03 | Jamash | how does the chat frame store scrollback history |
| 07:54.55 | Neffi | not sure |
| 07:56.41 | Jamash | hmm |
| 07:57.21 | Jamash | you could secure hook scroll up, scroll down, addmessage etc. and store the current position, and store an array of timestamps with an offset |
| 07:58.20 | Jamash | or even put a second scrollingmessageframe next to the first one using secure hooks to scroll them and size them in tandem |
| 07:58.22 | Neffi | well I'm digging into the huge chatframe FrameXML to figure stuff out |
| 07:58.25 | Neffi | I'll come up with something |
| 07:58.36 | Neffi | That one was actually not a bad idea, Jamash |
| 07:58.45 | Neffi | Quirky, but makes sense |
| 07:58.46 | Jamash | yeah I like that one |
| 07:59.05 | Jamash | that's basically what you want, two frames that scroll together |
| 07:59.13 | Neffi | To get things perfectly aligned, I'd have to make each message the same between them, and then just abuse NULL on mine to hide the text I don't want |
| 07:59.37 | Jamash | hrm |
| 07:59.40 | Jamash | wrapped lines :( |
| 07:59.42 | Neffi | yeah |
| 07:59.44 | Neffi | but doable |
| 07:59.47 | Neffi | kind of ugly though |
| 08:00.55 | Jamash | can you put text in multiple fonts in the same string? |
| 08:01.06 | Jamash | I'm going to guess "no" |
| 08:02.11 | Neffi | nope |
| 08:02.22 | Neffi | but anything after a null character (\000) doesn't show up |
| 08:11.25 | Neffi | Is the default chat frame the only one that can be "docked"? |
| 08:11.39 | Neffi | Ie, can you have 2 chat frames, each having multiple tabs? |
| 08:11.44 | Wobin | predicts madness |
| 08:11.57 | Semlar | oh there will be madness |
| 08:11.57 | Wobin | the chatframe is a wooly mess =P |
| 08:12.35 | Neffi | I'm not modifying that |
| 08:12.56 | Neffi | I'm just skinning it and I want to know if I need to consider the existence of anything other than the primary frame's dock |
| 08:15.38 | Wobin | looks like the default chat frame is the only one you can dock to |
| 08:17.46 | Semlar | neffi each message could be referenced with an index between 1 and chatframe:GetNumMessages() and could be pushed off the stack when a message is added after whatever the max is |
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| 09:27.27 | Neffi | I just wanna say, the chat frames are the biggest clusterfuck I've ever had to deal with |
| 09:27.45 | Neffi | I lost a lot of respect for whichever Blizz programmers are responsible for making such a large, hideous monstrosity |
| 09:28.22 | Neffi | scraps everything and reimplements the chat frames by hand. |
| 09:31.59 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 09:32.04 | Fisker | all i want for christmas isn't you |
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| 09:35.11 | Fisker | hey Kalroth |
| 09:35.14 | Fisker | hope you don't die |
| 09:36.00 | Kalroth | happy hanukkah, Fisker |
| 09:36.21 | Fisker | nope |
| 09:36.32 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://cdon.dk/hjemme-elektronik/kingston_hyperx_240gb_ssd_r%3a555%2fw%3a510_2.5%22_sata-3_upgrade_kit-17775667 too bad they ran out of stock so quickly, i wonder why! |
| 09:37.32 | Fisker | lolwat |
| 09:37.37 | Fisker | what is happening to that price? |
| 09:37.49 | Fisker | it's kingston though |
| 09:38.00 | Kalroth | still SF2281 |
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| 09:39.23 | Fisker | someone should've informed me |
| 09:39.28 | Fisker | could've used it in my server probably |
| 09:39.34 | Fisker | since i want a non-moving one |
| 09:39.38 | Fisker | as i might need a new case for it |
| 09:39.45 | Fisker | and it doesn't have a spot for a 2.5" drive :( |
| 09:40.01 | Fisker | but atleast i can just lave a ssd hanging |
| 09:46.30 | karl_w_w | http://www.weatherzone.com.au/wa/perth/perth why does the damn forecast keep going up? :( |
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| 09:55.32 | Neffi | Anyone know of an addon that allows you to inspect a frame, its children/regions, etc? |
| 10:02.00 | mikma | neffi: tekkub's Spew |
| 10:02.13 | mikma | neffi: mouseover a frame and use '/spew mouseover' |
| 10:02.40 | Neffi | thanks, I'll try it |
| 10:03.33 | karl_w_w | lol "spew" |
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| 10:22.26 | haste | Kalroth: CDON seems to muck up quite often |
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| 10:54.22 | Wobin | Neffi: or Where's My Cow |
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| 11:31.12 | Fisker | digs out a few boogers and offers them for haste |
| 11:31.30 | Fisker | what do you mean by muck? |
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| 11:39.57 | bluspacecow | a pouch , a cool wind and drizzling rain = tempting to derp on the pouch in the dark with the iPod |
| 11:44.48 | Neffi | lol pulled an Internet Explorer http://imgur.com/rSIzd |
| 11:45.24 | haste | Fisker: their prices |
| 11:46.29 | haste | new nightly soon Fisker ! |
| 11:47.03 | bluspacecow | is the one due to taint Neffi ? |
| 11:47.44 | Neffi | bluespacecow: Nope. The error occured when the container nameplate (new one) is generated, causing the addon to continuously generate nameplates and anchor them to where its parent was when it was created |
| 11:47.53 | Fisker | no haste |
| 11:47.55 | Fisker | not their prices |
| 11:47.58 | Fisker | the word "muck" |
| 11:48.08 | Fisker | also what's new in the nightlies since i need to be excited about it? |
| 11:48.10 | bluspacecow | and endless loop of sorts ? |
| 11:48.39 | Neffi | endless loop of new textures being gneerated |
| 11:48.52 | Neffi | well, once per OnUpdate |
| 11:48.52 | bluspacecow | also y u no update Auctioneer :P |
| 11:49.00 | Neffi | me? |
| 11:49.09 | Neffi | Oh, it's Auctionator |
| 11:49.15 | bluspacecow | woops :P |
| 11:49.17 | bluspacecow | brb |
| 11:49.40 | Neffi | the update added nothing of value for me |
| 11:51.01 | haste | Fisker: nothing super exciting, except that it builds again |
| 11:52.28 | Fisker | then i don't like you haste |
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| 11:57.19 | Neffi | Somebody in here was messing with changing nameplate tapped colors |
| 11:57.34 | Neffi | do you remember the exact r,g,b value of the blue used for tapped units? |
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| 12:25.51 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 12:26.05 | bluspacecow | good and fast torrent client for Mac ? |
| 12:28.24 | bluspacecow | nvm transmissions going great >_> |
| 12:31.45 | Xandr | Yep, Transmission is fine |
| 12:34.45 | Darkchaos | GetContainerNUmSlots is fooling me. Sometimes it returns 12 and sometimes 22, which is correct |
| 12:36.18 | Darkchaos | Same with GetContainerItemInfo for Count, sometimes 0 although 15 there |
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| 12:41.28 | Darkchaos | and how can I open the TradeSkilWindow? By Using CastSpell on it? |
| 12:42.34 | Neffi | coudln't you always do that? |
| 12:49.51 | karl_w_w | pure irony in a studio called 'original film' doing the total recall remake |
| 13:06.42 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 13:06.47 | bluspacecow | do farm crops wilter in Wow ? |
| 13:07.39 | Darkchaos | Did anyone experience Problems with GetContainerNumSlots or GetContainerItemInfo returning false values? |
| 13:11.17 | Neffi | bluspacecow: I just started playing my rogue again and visited the farm. His crops were still "ripe". It was at least a month or two like that. |
| 13:11.35 | Neffi | I think the last time I had planted anything on him was when he first hit 90 |
| 13:11.44 | Neffi | being my first character to 90 |
| 13:11.50 | karl_w_w | ripe refers to the smell, not the condition |
| 13:11.58 | Neffi | well, they didn't wilter |
| 13:12.25 | Neffi | also in English, ripe refers to: (of fruit or grain) Developed to the point of readiness for harvesting and eating. |
| 13:13.08 | karl_w_w | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wilters |
| 13:14.58 | karl_w_w | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ripe |
| 13:16.16 | Neffi | " Intoxicated." |
| 13:16.19 | Neffi | I like that |
| 13:16.29 | Neffi | Maybe it's a sign that it's time to get ripe of all the alcohol I got for xmas |
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| 13:18.04 | Neffi | is it possible to rotate fontstrings reliably? |
| 13:18.08 | Neffi | this gave me an idea http://imgur.com/gallery/QKTKT |
| 13:21.28 | d87_ | afaik the only way is to make rotation animation and pause it midway |
| 13:21.52 | Neffi | awesome |
| 13:22.16 | Neffi | Time to put my trig classes to good use |
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| 13:32.58 | bluspacecow | http://www.dorkly.com/comic/47540/skyrim-the-dragonborn-rides-again |
| 13:32.59 | bluspacecow | lol |
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| 14:38.29 | mikma | semlar: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18259-PointMe-Inactive.html |
| 14:44.24 | mikma | does anyone remember the addon which added arrows next to party frames telling you where the partymembers are? |
| 14:48.36 | mikma | semlar: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17027-GulfNavigator.html#info <- so the coords must be available ingame cause that addon works just fine |
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| 15:36.58 | TC-work | ~ping |
| 15:36.58 | purl | ~pong |
| 15:39.57 | Semlar | hey mikma |
| 15:41.50 | karl_w_w | this is incredible, just been through christmas and there's no snackable food in the house |
| 15:42.27 | Semlar | not even a mouse? |
| 15:44.41 | karl_w_w | nope, there was a rat though |
| 15:44.49 | karl_w_w | but that was because I was watching ratatouille |
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| 15:47.19 | TC-work | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 15:47.19 | purl | squishes karl_w_w like a bug |
| 15:47.30 | karl_w_w | oozes |
| 15:47.41 | Unkle | Station. Did you all score lots of loot? |
| 15:48.08 | TC-work | Not I |
| 15:48.23 | karl_w_w | yeah i got the elegon trinky last week |
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| 15:48.29 | Unkle | Not even a new lens or camera strap? |
| 15:48.43 | TC-work | I think he means for Christmas you tard |
| 15:49.25 | TC-work | Nope, us Jews get a lack of gifts on Christmas....go figure. |
| 15:49.42 | Unkle | But 8 days of lights! |
| 15:50.18 | TC-work | yes, lights and shitty gifts. |
| 15:50.28 | TC-work | they are supposed to be small |
| 15:50.54 | TC-work | since there are 8 days worth |
| 15:51.00 | karl_w_w | precious gems are small |
| 15:51.01 | Unkle | Well, I think I heard Louis Black say it's a "back to school holiday" |
| 15:51.03 | Krapsy | please, more like 8 days of messing out with wicks and oil and candles |
| 15:51.33 | TC-work | Monetarily small. |
| 15:51.46 | Krapsy | how did "out" get in there |
| 15:52.27 | karl_w_w | you lost an ab |
| 15:52.30 | TC-work | Though to be honest I don't actually know anyone who does the 8 small gifts. Even my grandmother does not, she just hands $20's to everyone and is done with it. |
| 15:52.42 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 15:52.59 | Unkle | My family doesn't do much for the winter-gift-giving season - not enough children about to spoil. |
| 15:53.18 | TC-work | Do big children count? |
| 15:53.25 | karl_w_w | that sounds mildly sinister Unkle |
| 15:54.03 | zenzelezz | sinister? |
| 15:54.11 | Krapsy | gelt is actually the original "gift" |
| 15:54.15 | TC-work | think of it as 'despoil' |
| 15:54.34 | Krapsy | presents is apparently an american thing |
| 15:54.56 | TC-work | yes Krapsy, but that was actual precious metal. |
| 15:55.03 | Semlar | USA, USA |
| 15:55.24 | Krapsy | huh? |
| 15:55.29 | Semlar | *waves little flags around* |
| 15:55.32 | karl_w_w | yes zenzelezz, as if they go out looking for kids in the street |
| 15:55.43 | TC-work | the 'coinage' of the time when that started was silver |
| 15:55.49 | TC-work | iirc |
| 15:55.52 | Krapsy | ah |
| 15:56.30 | TC-work | and gold. which is why all the chocolate gelt looks like that. |
| 15:56.39 | Unkle | karl_w_w: The whole point of the orgiastic giving of gifts on christmas morning is to completely over-excite and spoil small children. I mean, there's nothing like watching a 7-year old tear open wrapping paper like a tornado and then spend the rest of the morning internally debating which toys to play with first. |
| 15:57.51 | TC-work | The best ones are where the child ignores the toy and play's with the boxes/wrapping paper. Best child troll ever. |
| 15:58.10 | karl_w_w | yes, but it's slightly worrying when you imply you do it with any random child you might happen upon in the area :P |
| 15:58.50 | Unkle | No, I have Halloween to give small children lots of sugar. And I don't even have to seek them out. |
| 15:59.04 | Unkle | Also, you're a sick twisted freak. |
| 15:59.18 | TC-work | And yet you knew exactly what he was talking about..... |
| 15:59.44 | Unkle | The implication was heavy-handed and obvious. |
| 16:00.01 | TC-work | but it was still required interpretation. |
| 16:00.10 | Unkle | Not really. |
| 16:01.18 | TC-work | yes, he could be referring to a prostate check. |
| 16:02.24 | Unkle | No, I think you're reaching here. |
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| 16:05.26 | TC-work | It's children, you don't need to reach much. |
| 16:09.28 | karl_w_w | rofl |
| 16:10.29 | karl_w_w | wow i alt tabbed while on a taxi |
| 16:10.46 | karl_w_w | and when i tabbed back the taxi was gone and i plummetted to my death |
| 16:11.08 | Jamash | awesome |
| 16:11.31 | karl_w_w | i'd blame crz but i didnt cross a zone border |
| 16:11.33 | TC-work | Boy, the peanalties for not playing wow are getting harsher and harsher. |
| 16:12.45 | karl_w_w | haha |
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| 16:18.25 | Arrowmaster | im snowed in |
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| 16:18.46 | Krapsy | what if they start deleting characters???? |
| 16:19.08 | Unkle | So, do you have adequate food/water/liquor/porn? |
| 16:19.30 | karl_w_w | characters not played for a year get purged |
| 16:19.38 | TC-work | he has internet so i think the last one is taken care of Unkle |
| 16:20.04 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: brought home a whole tray of sandwiches from my aunts yesterday so we should be good |
| 16:20.20 | Unkle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc |
| 16:21.45 | Krapsy | why do you need to keep hydrated when you have a cold |
| 16:21.47 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster's aunts make very wet, alcoholic and pornographic sandwiches |
| 16:22.08 | TC-work | Actually, that's quite possible |
| 16:22.10 | Arrowmaster | the sandwiches are all from subway |
| 16:22.52 | Unkle | So, turkey bacon, turkey chicken, turkey ham... |
| 16:23.04 | Unkle | Hell, I think even the bread there is made from turkey |
| 16:23.09 | Krapsy | thanks karl_w_w that image is fucking disturbing |
| 16:25.07 | TC-work | not really? It's wet because it's soaked in alcohol and cut in the shape of a penis. I think that fits all of the requirements. |
| 16:25.08 | karl_w_w | you know i dont blame bad players for engaging in "world pvp", i blame blizzard for encouraging it |
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| 16:30.15 | TC-work | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI1Ub2Jbzh4&feature=youtube_gdata_player >.< |
| 16:39.06 | Stanzilla | foxlit: no default warlock curses ring? I'm disappoint son :( |
| 16:42.56 | karl_w_w | warlocks are inferior |
| 16:46.14 | Unkle | Meh, warlocks have/use different curses depending on spec. Seems like too much hassle for like... 2 spells |
| 16:48.23 | karl_w_w | what's the new warlock slingshotty teleporty thing? |
| 16:48.36 | karl_w_w | s/?/ called?/ |
| 16:49.39 | Unkle | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=111771 |
| 16:49.48 | karl_w_w | thankies |
| 16:52.48 | Stanzilla | http://images.4channel.org/f/src/zero_percent_sale.swf |
| 16:53.21 | Dagmar | nope.avi |
| 16:54.34 | Stanzilla | yes |
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| 17:11.31 | Fisker | i farted Stanzilla |
| 17:11.48 | Stanzilla | gz |
| 17:11.53 | Fisker | thanks |
| 17:17.42 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 17:17.54 | Fisker | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 17:18.05 | Stanzilla | ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| 17:18.14 | Fisker | http://i.imgur.com/UTWDv.jpg |
| 17:18.49 | Stanzilla | sexy |
| 17:18.51 | Stanzilla | your? |
| 17:18.52 | Stanzilla | *s |
| 17:18.57 | TC-work | why is it on boxes? |
| 17:19.23 | Fisker | because it's undergoing testing at a test facility? |
| 17:19.28 | Fisker | and noep Stanzilla |
| 17:19.32 | Fisker | but it will be in a few months |
| 17:20.00 | nevcairiel | i dunno, looks rather weird |
| 17:20.14 | Fisker | i don't care |
| 17:20.16 | Fisker | it's Corsair |
| 17:20.24 | Stanzilla | way too big for my use though |
| 17:20.30 | Fisker | it's a high-end HTPC case |
| 17:20.34 | nevcairiel | and being corsair is supposed to be a good thing? :d |
| 17:20.39 | Fisker | yes nevcairiel |
| 17:20.44 | Fisker | they made the best case in the world |
| 17:20.57 | TC-work | That's subjective |
| 17:21.06 | Fisker | no |
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| 17:32.32 | foxlit | gah. Something I did back in 3.3 now means I can't test a theory. Annoying :( |
| 17:33.31 | Arrowmaster | pompy: im bored, wana play bl2 with new/low level characters |
| 17:33.51 | karl_w_w | mispelled smoke bomb as smock bomb |
| 17:41.46 | Fisker | owned foxlit |
| 17:42.21 | Unkle | This is the most rational thing I've ever heard an "expert" say about DRM and users: “Most people don’t care about the ethics of DRM or about the finer points of copyright policy,” Aram Sinnreich, a Media Studies professor at Rutgers University, told Ars. “What people care about, is being able to do what they want with the stuff that they think they have.” http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/12/the-music-industry-drop |
| 17:44.36 | karl_w_w | do warriors need to be prot to get ralling cry? |
| 17:47.56 | Fisker | no |
| 17:49.53 | mikma | semlar: hey hey |
| 17:52.01 | Fisker | music is still pretty DRM'y though |
| 17:53.04 | karl_w_w | thanks Fisker |
| 17:53.14 | karl_w_w | btw Fisker, that's what bit torrent is for |
| 17:56.16 | Semlar | imgur keeps deleting the images i upload |
| 17:56.40 | Semlar | like, the link to them works for like 5 seconds then just turns into a 404 |
| 17:57.05 | Unkle | Post more porn, fewer cats? |
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| 17:57.17 | Fisker | doesn't even get rid of all the sillyness karl_w_w |
| 17:57.32 | Fisker | dunno if they finally changed it |
| 17:57.39 | Fisker | but for example the music you have on Google Music |
| 17:57.51 | Fisker | if you want locally uploaded music deleted you have two options |
| 17:58.03 | Fisker | 1. Delete every track manually (You can of course mark multiple at a time) |
| 17:58.12 | Fisker | 2. Delete everything (including purchased music) |
| 17:58.25 | Fisker | And if you're ID3 tags are good enough it's pretty hard to find out which is which actually |
| 17:58.31 | Fisker | your* |
| 18:00.58 | Semlar | oh, mikma some POIs for the zone you're in are available in-game |
| 18:01.33 | mikma | semlar: aye |
| 18:02.11 | Semlar | i don't know if you have to discover them first or something but they don't always work |
| 18:02.17 | mikma | semlar: quite alot of them, for example, Netherstorm in Outlands has 26 POI's |
| 18:02.31 | Semlar | yeah but the POIs aren't the same as what i was putting on the map |
| 18:02.38 | mikma | semlar: but we can abuse the fact they are in and extract them! |
| 18:02.44 | Semlar | i did extract them |
| 18:03.11 | Semlar | that's why this is so redundant http://i.imgur.com/EE053.jpg |
| 18:04.02 | mikma | lol |
| 18:04.08 | mikma | darkmoon faire xD |
| 18:04.14 | mikma | but i see what you mean |
| 18:04.36 | Semlar | well darkmoon faire is on there because i converted everything to global coordinates |
| 18:04.47 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/xygpA.jpg |
| 18:09.15 | Unkle | I am amused: http://www.wired.com/design/2012/12/raspberry-pi-laptop/?pid=1642&viewall=true |
| 18:10.25 | Semlar | mikma: http://semlar.com/navi.zip |
| 18:16.44 | mikma | semlar: Message: Interface\AddOns\navi\navi.lua:12: script ran too long |
| 18:17.03 | Semlar | well yeah that's not even remotely surprising |
| 18:17.25 | Semlar | i should just disable it when you're in combat |
| 18:17.40 | foxlit | no, you should totally keep that in protest of the stupidity of that error. |
| 18:18.23 | Semlar | well, it's not going to be doing any of this stuff normally so it's not an issue |
| 18:18.48 | Semlar | right now it's looping through the entire database on every map update to draw every poi on the map |
| 18:20.06 | foxlit | Question: do closures have intrinsic taint, and how can I verify that? |
| 18:21.31 | foxlit | (i.e. if I created a function in a tainted execution path, stored it somewhere where it wouldn't be associated with variable-level taint, and then executed it from a secure execution path, would it still be tainted?) |
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| 18:23.47 | Unkle | I want to say "yes," based on my 'understanding' of the taint model, but I can't say from experience. |
| 18:25.06 | foxlit | Iriel's description also points to yes, but I don't like how it suggests that /values/ are tainted rather than storage locations. |
| 18:25.50 | mikma | semlar: zoomed out to the full map and zoomed into the eastern kingdom and boom. |
| 18:25.50 | Unkle | the article on WoWPedia as much as says that values are tainted. |
| 18:25.54 | mikma | semlar: my map is.. colorful |
| 18:25.59 | Semlar | it better be |
| 18:26.22 | foxlit | The article on Wowpedia is more or less a direct quote of a forum post by Iriel. |
| 18:26.31 | Unkle | Yeah. |
| 18:26.36 | Stanzilla | why u ignore me, mister foxlit |
| 18:26.42 | Unkle | It's just a handy thing to reference. |
| 18:26.45 | Semlar | the map should be practically unusable with the addon enabled |
| 18:27.17 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/xygpA.jpg like this |
| 18:27.18 | foxlit | Stanzilla: I'm under the impression that I'm not ignoring you, but the last line I have from you is Stanzilla: [18:20:24] way too big for my use though |
| 18:27.37 | Fisker | jersk |
| 18:27.38 | Stanzilla | 17:38:51 ∙ Stanzilla: foxlit: no default warlock curses ring? I'm disappoint son :( |
| 18:28.13 | foxlit | oh, way back then. My client has... issues :) |
| 18:28.18 | Stanzilla | np :D |
| 18:28.50 | Stanzilla | I also noticed that the stones ring has a broken spell and is missing soulstone, so there might have been a id change |
| 18:29.25 | foxlit | It's mostly because the default rings largely represents what I personally use (and am sick of recreating after I wipe my SVs somehow -- but fixed that a while ago!), and I don't play enough warlocks |
| 18:29.56 | foxlit | If you like, create a series of rings that work for you, and post the SVs in a curseforge ticket :) |
| 18:30.22 | Unkle | Soulstone isn't a created object anymore. |
| 18:30.28 | Stanzilla | warlock is actually the first class I use the default rings |
| 18:30.33 | Stanzilla | apart from stance rings on the others |
| 18:30.39 | foxlit | Unkle: it is handy, but it's also flawed -- things like attributes not carrying taint is not mentioned. |
| 18:31.27 | Stanzilla | those are the only issues I had so far, but still a few levels to go |
| 18:31.50 | Unkle | foxlit: *nod* Most of my crap never does anything with secure execution, so I'm lazy and haven't dug in. I really should do more, but ... I'm trying to reduce the things I do, not increase them. :) |
| 18:33.23 | Stanzilla | foxlit: want me to create a ticket for those two things or really with my whole SVs (which are a mess)? |
| 18:33.49 | foxlit | I think you might be able to attach files to tickets, so why not both? :) |
| 18:33.56 | Stanzilla | hoky |
| 18:34.02 | foxlit | can always cut the parts that you don't think are relevant |
| 18:34.28 | mikma | semlar: yeah, unusable unless you zoom in abit ;) |
| 18:34.39 | foxlit | "The system that Blizzard uses to track the spread of taint through memory is incredibly shortsighted." |
| 18:35.03 | Semlar | mikma the only reason i'm putting anything on the map is so i can make sure the coordinates are in the right places |
| 18:35.17 | foxlit | <XT-002>NO NO NO NO NO</XT-002> |
| 18:35.52 | Semlar | mikma: i'm not really sure how it should be displayed |
| 18:45.41 | Unkle | foxlit: Yeah, I didn't want to touch that comment with a 100 meter pole. |
| 18:46.27 | foxlit | someone should. The OP is essentially correct, and that comment is a cop-out that's killing e-sports. |
| 18:46.43 | foxlit | (hurray for mixed community metaphors) |
| 18:47.17 | Krapsy | huh? |
| 18:47.49 | Unkle | I'll happily post something for you - but if I also sort of "copped out" |
| 18:48.47 | mikma | semlar: display only when called with /gps :P |
| 18:49.58 | foxlit | Krapsy: did you want the general context, or an explanation of the not-so-billiant killing esports remark? |
| 18:50.18 | Krapsy | killing esports remark |
| 18:51.25 | foxlit | Stems from SC2, where some communities somewhat care about promoting it as an esport, and occasionally declare that some things are detrimental to that goal. |
| 18:51.53 | foxlit | However, it's somewhat overused, so now everything you don't like is killing esports. |
| 18:52.45 | foxlit | https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22is+killing+esports%22 |
| 18:52.54 | Unkle | People eating food and going to the bathroom are such huge drains on the community, they're killing e-sports! |
| 18:53.01 | Krapsy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.23 | Krapsy | i would love for esports to become a thing |
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| 18:54.32 | karl_w_w | Krapsy that kind of starry-eyed optimism is killing e-sports |
| 18:54.41 | Krapsy | oh |
| 18:54.43 | Krapsy | dammit |
| 18:56.12 | Unkle | So aside from Blizzard (SC, Arena Tourney) and EA (Madden Challenge) is there anyone really pushing e-sports? (It's totally off my radar except when I come across it at BlizzCon). |
| 18:56.38 | Iriel | Unkle: presumably you mean "in the US market" ? |
| 18:56.53 | karl_w_w | i really should stop thinking about game of thrones season 3 starting at the end of march, i'm in danger of becoming obsessed to the extent that I won't care about or even notice anything that happens in the next 3 months |
| 18:56.54 | Unkle | Well, since that's the one relevant to me, sure. |
| 18:57.28 | foxlit | Unkle: I'd take you up on that, but I think it'd be difficult to respond without provoking a long and tangential conversation. |
| 18:57.45 | Unkle | foxlit: Which is precisely why I didn't get into it. |
| 18:57.47 | karl_w_w | various dota communities & companies, Unkle |
| 18:57.51 | Krapsy | bungie should get on that, they're pretty cool |
| 18:58.00 | Krapsy | and they have halo |
| 18:58.50 | foxlit | Personally, I'm hoping the 5.2 PTR would solve some internal problems that have been around since 5.0, at which point it'd be more convenient to call people on their bullshit. |
| 18:59.05 | Iriel | So usually the banner ads I get are /slightly/ relevant to my life, or things of "mass interest" I can understand. I just got one for "Step Motors for the Agricultural Industry" - WTF? |
| 18:59.28 | Unkle | Really broad ad buy by newbie exec? |
| 18:59.36 | Dagmar | Don't even want to think aobut what you were browsing for earlier |
| 18:59.37 | foxlit | Iriel: "farming"? |
| 18:59.53 | karl_w_w | Iriel's a huge farmville fan |
| 19:00.24 | Iriel | I think you'd have to be someone who builds farm equipment, seems a bit over-niche for a broad spread banner add. |
| 19:00.32 | Krapsy | karl_w_w: game of thrones is bad sooooooooooo |
| 19:01.56 | karl_w_w | die Krapsy |
| 19:02.09 | TC-work | I'm with Krapsy |
| 19:02.11 | Krapsy | haha no |
| 19:02.16 | karl_w_w | unrelated: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=493333270704772&set=a.241968862507882.58017.208009342570501&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf |
| 19:02.22 | Krapsy | cool thanks TC-work |
| 19:02.33 | TC-work | despite your name.... |
| 19:03.01 | Unkle | I have yet to see any of the HBO series. But I've read and re-read the novels several times. |
| 19:03.42 | karl_w_w | i've decided not to read the novels until the tv series ends, which seems foolish |
| 19:03.55 | Krapsy | i read the first book and that was enough |
| 19:04.04 | karl_w_w | but I don't want to spend all my time spotting the differences |
| 19:04.42 | Unkle | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/12/experimenting-privacy-facebook-sells-access-your-inbox - yet one more reason I'm glad I quit Facebook last week. |
| 19:05.10 | Iriel | Unkle: I enjoyed seeing this: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/mark-zuckerbergs-sister-complains-of-facebook-pri |
| 19:06.03 | Unkle | I'm reading a similar article at readwrite.com. |
| 19:06.05 | Krapsy | is strapped for cash or just a huge asshole |
| 19:06.09 | Krapsy | he* |
| 19:06.40 | Unkle | Iriel: http://readwrite.com/2012/12/26/yes-randi-zuckerberg-please-lecture-us-about-human-decency |
| 19:08.20 | Iriel | Unkle: nice, thanks. |
| 19:08.33 | karl_w_w | wtf, what does this app do with pokes that could be that shocking? |
| 19:09.20 | Unkle | It's the Facebook version of SnapChat - a time-limited messaging system. |
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| 19:23.04 | Dagmar | There's already a pokewar app. |
| 19:23.13 | Dagmar | I just look at it as the natural evolution of the illiterate SMS. |
| 19:23.43 | Dagmar | Shorten all the bullshit "im bord how r u?" messages to just "*poke*" |
| 19:24.18 | Unkle | Shouldn't most of them just be shortened to "r u dtf" |
| 19:24.35 | Semlar | does anyone know what gets called when somebody clicks on a hyperlink |
| 19:24.51 | Semlar | i want to hook it to make my own type of link |
| 19:24.51 | Dagmar | RIAA laywers |
| 19:24.54 | Dagmar | Oh |
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| 19:26.51 | End_ | Semlar: it's a script handler...something like OnHyperlinkClick |
| 19:27.02 | Semlar | thanks |
| 19:27.36 | Semlar | it appears to call ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow |
| 19:27.49 | foxlit | hook ChatFrame_OnHyperlinkShow |
| 19:27.52 | Arrowmaster | was just outside, weve gotten 8 inches of snow in 6 hours with more coming |
| 19:28.00 | Arrowmaster | my beard froze |
| 19:28.33 | TC-work | so dead today. It's like working in a ghost town. |
| 19:28.56 | Arrowmaster | shutup your in LA |
| 19:29.02 | pompy | assassin's creed 3 is apoart of the community choice vote, 75% off |
| 19:29.12 | Krapsy | "jack into another server!" "jack into... what do you think this is the matrix!?" |
| 19:29.17 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: I mean't at work. |
| 19:29.35 | TC-work | there is usually 300+ people here, at best i think there is 20 |
| 19:29.38 | TC-work | atm |
| 19:29.40 | Arrowmaster | you arent snowed in are you |
| 19:29.42 | pompy | nm i lied |
| 19:29.48 | TC-work | Nope, rather wish i was though |
| 19:30.10 | pompy | and Arrowmaster its just raining here, we are on the "little to no accumulation" part of the graph/map :( |
| 19:30.37 | pompy | TC-work: did they all get let go? |
| 19:30.39 | Arrowmaster | my city has officially gotten the most snow in our part of the state |
| 19:30.59 | TC-work | pompy: ...it's Christmas week. |
| 19:31.08 | pompy | yup |
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| 19:31.57 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: This seems like the perfect opportunity to try out your homemade flamethrower... |
| 19:32.21 | Arrowmaster | if i had one i would |
| 19:32.39 | TC-work | make one |
| 19:32.47 | TC-work | It's not like you have anything else to do right now |
| 19:33.04 | Arrowmaster | let me go crank up the A-Team theme song |
| 19:33.15 | TC-work | that's the holiday spirit. |
| 19:34.32 | karl_w_w | no that would be the great escape theme song |
| 19:34.54 | Krapsy | 18mph wind tomorrow noooooooo |
| 19:35.22 | Arrowmaster | thats nothing, we had 30mph winds for days here |
| 19:35.27 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/posts/505534219478731 crap wish i knew about this! |
| 19:36.06 | Unkle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyz_2DEah4o |
| 19:36.24 | Krapsy | i hate the cold |
| 19:36.38 | Krapsy | because i end up waiting in it |
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| 19:37.20 | Arrowmaster | i want to play something but i dont know what |
| 19:37.29 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: Gee, thanks for starting the A-Team theme song IN MY HEAD |
| 19:37.41 | karl_w_w | I find winning stuff is something other people do, pompy |
| 19:38.23 | Arrowmaster | pompy: what xbox games do you have |
| 19:38.38 | Unkle | Iriel: In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team. |
| 19:38.53 | karl_w_w | play one of the unplayed games on your steam, Arrowmaster |
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| 19:39.40 | Iriel | Unkle: Once the song starts - you cant' make it worse |
| 19:39.43 | Arrowmaster | cant, im on a low powered linux laptop |
| 19:40.08 | Arrowmaster | pompy1: do you still own all the games on your xbl tag or have you sold stuff |
| 19:40.24 | Unkle | Iriel: It's the A-Team! How can it be bad? |
| 19:41.02 | pompy1 | Arrowmaster: hmm? |
| 19:41.05 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: i have the A-Team box set here i could watch, the box looks like the van |
| 19:41.08 | Arrowmaster | pompy1: im bored |
| 19:41.10 | Iriel | It's not "Jersey Shore" bad, it's just going to take a while to get the music out of my head. |
| 19:41.11 | pompy1 | umm i think i have em all |
| 19:41.38 | pompy1 | i have them plus more that i havent even opened yet |
| 19:41.41 | Arrowmaster | pompy1: lets play something |
| 19:41.50 | Unkle | Every single day I beat my personal best for number of days I have successfully avoided all things "Jersey Shore." |
| 19:42.00 | Iriel | Unkle: me too |
| 19:42.08 | Unkle | And right now you're all going "CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!" |
| 19:42.49 | TC-work | It's not that hard |
| 19:44.37 | Krapsy | yeah just become a fan of shows that are not shit |
| 19:45.05 | Cairenn | smoogles everyone - I hope everyone's holidays are good. |
| 19:45.42 | TC-work | Obviously Cairenn has not holiday cheer or els our pants would be gone. |
| 19:45.47 | TC-work | s/not/no/ |
| 19:45.50 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:45.51 | TC-work | else* |
| 19:45.53 | TC-work | *sigh* |
| 19:45.59 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: im snowed in with 8 inches of snow |
| 19:46.09 | Cairenn | Naw, it's a present for you guys, letting you guys keep your pants |
| 19:47.10 | Unkle | I'm at work, so keeping my pants is sort of important. |
| 19:48.09 | Krapsy | you work in IT, you dont need pants |
| 19:48.13 | TC-work | ^ |
| 19:48.26 | TC-work | Just pretend you had too much of the wine to drink |
| 19:49.04 | Unkle | If I was "working from home" I wouldn't need pants. But I'm in the office, which is an open floor plan. I need pants. |
| 19:49.15 | TC-work | wine.... |
| 19:49.21 | Krapsy | excuses |
| 19:49.48 | TC-work | ALso, if you were working from home, I would still hope you would be wearing pants. |
| 19:50.04 | Unkle | I would be drinking more wine at least. |
| 19:52.22 | Arrowmaster | im spamming pompy1 with party invites and hes ignoring me |
| 19:53.14 | TC-work | Possibly because you are spamming him |
| 19:53.37 | Arrowmaster | possibly |
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| 20:12.58 | TC-work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/54477278/puking-kitty-saucy-boat heh |
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| 20:22.33 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/LrsTa |
| 20:31.38 | zenzelezz | booting phone in safe mode... :-/ |
| 20:33.43 | Unkle | That's a phrase you never really want to hear. |
| 20:34.07 | nevcairiel | or to say |
| 20:35.52 | Unkle | Really, we need to get better at software. A device with a crucial function - like a cell phone - shouldn't crash. We should be able to rely on it in just about every situation. |
| 20:36.50 | zenzelezz | I'm basically doing it to see whether or not it is a software issue... I suspect hardware. http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/60422 |
| 20:37.04 | zenzelezz | have a suspicion I'll have to return it and have it replaced |
| 20:37.25 | nevcairiel | most people that have to boot their phone into safe mode messed with it first :p |
| 20:37.52 | zenzelezz | probably. I only do it because their support site says to first try safe mode, then factory reset |
| 20:38.05 | zenzelezz | but I don't really see much hope that it's not hardware |
| 20:38.31 | Unkle | I've had my phone crash, like... once. Apps, crash all the time, but the OS? just once. In a year+ of use. |
| 20:38.48 | Unkle | Even that once is too many. |
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| 20:39.44 | zenzelezz | yeah, I've never had such trouble before. Worst bit is it's entirely random, no predictibility at all |
| 20:40.25 | Unkle | That could be software or hardware. :/ |
| 20:55.43 | Semlar | mikma: http://semlar.com/navi.zip |
| 20:56.15 | Semlar | just type /find whatever |
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| 21:32.55 | foxlit | heh, you can select arbitrary pet battle ability combos |
| 21:33.37 | Mr_Rabies | ugh so tired of carrying people |
| 21:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | join a scenario, pally joins and basically afks |
| 21:33.50 | Mr_Rabies | says he's healing, yet lets me die |
| 21:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't self-heal since we had a healer, which is wholly a waste of time in a scenario anyway |
| 21:36.07 | Mr_Rabies | he let me die despite taking hardly any damage |
| 21:36.17 | Mr_Rabies | so i just left the dungeon and started looking for rare spawns |
| 21:38.27 | Mr_Rabies | why do people queue up for scenarios without a dps spec? :| |
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| 21:57.05 | Zootfizzle | Happy Boxing Day :) |
| 21:57.27 | Unkle | That reminds me, I need servants. |
| 22:02.53 | TC-work | That costs monies Unkle |
| 22:02.56 | TC-work | or blackmail |
| 22:03.06 | Unkle | Lots of monies. |
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| 23:23.17 | mikma | semlar: now that's sweet, seems to work fine :) |
| 23:23.29 | kd3 | eesh. 2 inches of rain so far today |
| 23:23.38 | kd3 | glad we're still above freezing |
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| 23:24.04 | Arrowmaster | kd3: 8+ of snow |
| 23:30.35 | Darkchaos | Hey guys, If you'd need to cast a particular TradeSkill and want it to be language independent how'd you do? |
| 23:30.58 | Darkchaos | Something like GetTradeSkillXYZ to compare with the itemId of the crafted Item? |
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