| 00:00.11 | Thunder_Child | Jesus was a jew, Santa could be as well |
| 00:00.18 | Kraps | hmm |
| 00:00.38 | Torhal | http://steamcommunity.com/id/torhal |
| 00:00.48 | Humbedooh | I strongly believe Jesus was a secret buddhist :\ |
| 00:00.57 | Humbedooh | like a ninja buddhist |
| 00:01.02 | Kraps | Torhalyou want one too? |
| 00:01.19 | Kraps | ugh why am i eating cold pizza |
| 00:01.41 | Torhal | Don't know what you're referring to - I joined the channel after you'd already been discussing whatever this fre thing is. |
| 00:01.48 | Torhal | free* |
| 00:02.00 | Kraps | DOTA 2 |
| 00:02.07 | Torhal | Ah, no - already have it :) |
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| 00:02.39 | Arrowmaster | who doesnt by now |
| 00:02.52 | Humbedooh | <- :p |
| 00:04.21 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: because you are saving up for chinese food for tomorrow. |
| 00:04.53 | Kraps | hahaha stereotypes |
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| 00:05.39 | Arrowmaster | linus is pissed, http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1414106 |
| 00:06.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: I dunno, I go out of my way to make sure i have some and watch a movie. |
| 00:17.46 | Kraps | Thunder_Child, what movie |
| 00:17.51 | Kraps | Diehard? |
| 00:18.06 | Humbedooh | ugh, is every channel sending Die Hard today? |
| 00:18.10 | Torhal | Very interesting: http://readwrite.com/2012/12/24/is-this-the-hottest-tech-company-of-2013 |
| 00:18.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: well, it's supposed to be at a theater |
| 00:18.25 | Kraps | oh |
| 00:18.32 | Thunder_Child | but i am Le Tired |
| 00:19.35 | Kraps | le lol |
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| 00:22.13 | Kraps | Humbedooh, Die Hard is a chrismas classic |
| 00:22.24 | Humbedooh | 1 or 2? ;) |
| 00:22.41 | Kraps | heh |
| 00:22.46 | Kraps | usually 1 |
| 00:23.18 | Humbedooh | http://www.savagechickens.com/wp-content/uploads/chickennakatomi.jpg nuff said |
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| 00:30.15 | mikma | torhal: yes, it will be. |
| 00:30.30 | Torhal | And not bad at all for $70 |
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| 00:33.07 | Ackis | holy hell someone ambushed firefighters? |
| 00:33.12 | Thunder_Child | http://imgur.com/gallery/oe4Nm |
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| 00:40.37 | Kraps | WHO ELSE WANTS DOTA 2 |
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| 00:58.03 | bleeter | do chinese knickers have braces? |
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| 01:41.09 | Arrowmaster | is eating pinapple out of a can |
| 01:41.24 | Kaylin | is not. :( |
| 01:42.43 | Arrowmaster | its the leftovers from making some kinda cake made from wiped cream and jello |
| 01:45.05 | Kaylin | this sounds pretty crazy. |
| 01:45.39 | Kaylin | Okay I'm going to be back in 30-60min, gotta take a shower and get something started for dinner. |
| 01:45.46 | Arrowmaster | the one from last friday was even crazier |
| 01:45.57 | Kaylin | What was it? |
| 01:47.08 | Kaylin | needs to shutdown. back in a bit |
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| 01:55.24 | Wobin | Merry Christmas, you crazy lot |
| 01:59.40 | bleeter | Wobin: just for you and your family https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOWs63NLdCk |
| 02:02.55 | Wobin | ah, the innocence of Aussie youth =P |
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| 02:25.40 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 02:26.40 | Semlar | mikma i figured out why ironforge itself wasn't on my list of subzones, the entire thing is one building/object |
| 02:28.31 | Semlar | and objects basically have their own area information |
| 02:29.01 | Semlar | ..which i haven't figured out yet |
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| 02:43.14 | Kraps | Semlar, hows the map coming along |
| 02:43.42 | Semlar | i'm working on kind of a gps type feature |
| 02:43.53 | Semlar | where you type in the name of something and it shows you where it is |
| 02:44.38 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/J8gmD.jpg here's a really unattractive example |
| 02:44.48 | Kraps | nice |
| 02:46.53 | Semlar | i'm going nuts over here trying to figure out if it's even possible to extract positional information for doodads |
| 02:47.37 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it can be done i just can't figure out how all the files line up |
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| 03:55.28 | Jamash | I'm mooninaut on steam but I already have dota2 |
| 03:55.40 | Jamash | ahhh, the curse of being scrolled up |
| 03:56.32 | Kraps | i still have |
| 03:56.35 | Kraps | dota2 |
| 03:56.36 | pompy | Arrowmaster: hmm http://store.steampowered.com/app/49520/ the season pass marked at 25% off.. but the page of the season pass doesnt show a discount |
| 03:56.46 | pompy | it may be 50% off in 3 minutes bc it won |
| 03:57.01 | Arrowmaster | WUB WUB WUB |
| 03:57.44 | pompy | ok stanzilla said the same thing, i dont get that reference! |
| 03:57.51 | pompy | well maybe |
| 03:58.01 | Arrowmaster | it hasnt gone on sale yet, wait 7 minutes |
| 03:58.01 | Jamash | ironically appreciating dubstep -> genuinely appreciating dubstep -> ironically appreciating the fact that I genuinely appreciate dubstep |
| 03:58.11 | Arrowmaster | or 2 minutes, im not sure |
| 03:59.06 | Arrowmaster | weird, steam says i have 10 items in my inventory but theres only 9 listed |
| 03:59.10 | Kraps | 1 minute |
| 03:59.37 | Kraps | but alan wake will be up for 5 min more |
| 03:59.59 | Kraps | when does the sale end |
| 04:00.13 | Jamash | awimowub |
| 04:00.53 | pompy | 4 mins! |
| 04:01.01 | pompy | and hm vote for Towns next? |
| 04:01.55 | Kraps | i mean the whole sale |
| 04:02.22 | pompy | jan 3rd? |
| 04:02.30 | pompy | jan 5 |
| 04:03.40 | Kraps | wow |
| 04:04.22 | pompy | what lame |
| 04:04.29 | pompy | season pass not 50% off |
| 04:04.30 | pompy | ;p; |
| 04:04.35 | pompy | lol* |
| 04:05.24 | pompy | ok its 25% off http://store.steampowered.com/app/218560/ |
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| 04:07.56 | pompy1 | fkn connection |
| 04:08.29 | Kraps | is the Season Pass worth it, i barely started the dlc of the first game |
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| 04:11.40 | Arrowmaster | first game dlc is good |
| 04:11.57 | Arrowmaster | im going to pickup the xbox season pass when its on sale |
| 04:13.48 | Arrowmaster | pompy1: towns is the only one in the next group i already own, and thats because zhinjio gifted me a copy one day |
| 04:15.01 | Kraps | Wobin, hey |
| 04:17.03 | Arrowmaster | damnit steam, why must you make it so easy by storing my credit card info |
| 04:17.04 | pompy1 | gg cable just went out |
| 04:17.15 | Arrowmaster | there went another $20 |
| 04:17.58 | pompy1 | lol for what |
| 04:18.26 | kd3 | I make sure to uncheck the 'store my credit info' checkbox every time I buy something |
| 04:18.30 | kd3 | not that that deters me much |
| 04:18.37 | Arrowmaster | kotor1/2 and tomb raider collection |
| 04:19.05 | Arrowmaster | all i buy on steam seems to be either old games or indie games |
| 04:19.23 | pompy1 | and games that will nevar be played! |
| 04:19.41 | Arrowmaster | so true :( |
| 04:20.07 | pompy1 | tha sr3 full pack is tempting |
| 04:20.10 | pompy1 | 13 hrs left |
| 04:20.29 | Arrowmaster | i bought it just because i already had sr3 from the humble bundle |
| 04:20.47 | Arrowmaster | so i was like 'fuck it ill get the dlc even though i might not ever play the game' |
| 04:22.10 | Arrowmaster | ive been told i need to watch this dvd but ive still got 3 episode of the anime i was rewatching left |
| 04:25.49 | Kraps | look at all these GOG sales |
| 04:28.08 | pompy1 | linkage? |
| 04:28.23 | pompy1 | Gamefly and Amazon also has Steam redeemable games. |
| 04:29.55 | Kraps | http://www.gog.com/ |
| 04:30.04 | Kraps | just gog in general |
| 04:30.35 | Kraps | theme hospital |
| 04:36.18 | pompy1 | lol wtf Miners Wars 2081 is 50% off throughout the whole sale.. and its up for the community's choice at 50% off.. guess someone overlooked that |
| 04:38.18 | Kraps | http://www.gog.com/gamecard/medal_of_honor_allied_assault_war_chest omgggggggggggggggggg |
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| 04:47.14 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:47.17 | Wobin | I might get the season pass |
| 04:48.36 | Wobin | since buying the individal dlcs equal it already |
| 04:48.39 | Wobin | and there are two more |
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| 05:22.08 | pompy1 | http://i.imgur.com/8wgpy.jpg |
| 05:22.39 | durcyn | http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/tdy-121220-xmas-tree-through-the-roof-01.photoblog500.jpg |
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| 05:24.20 | pompy1 | http://i.imgur.com/8wgpy.jpg |
| 05:24.25 | pompy1 | oops |
| 07:24.59 | Arrowmaster | i want one http://i.imgur.com/t3TjY.png |
| 07:25.05 | Arrowmaster | too bad i couldnt use it |
| 07:26.56 | pompy1 | lol |
| 07:29.42 | Arrowmaster | oh and http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/The-Walking-Dead/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802584111de?DownloadType=Game |
| 07:30.12 | Arrowmaster | free for the week i think |
| 07:30.56 | pompy1 | ep 1 afaik |
| 07:35.36 | pompy1 | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.skyvu.battlebearsroyal |
| 07:45.42 | mikma | semlar: heh |
| 07:47.00 | Semlar | i was able to narrow down an object to a terrain tile but not to an individual chunk |
| 07:48.16 | Semlar | the models use some separate coordinate system |
| 07:52.16 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/vP5NO.jpg |
| 07:52.34 | Semlar | i know what.. one of these numbers actually represents |
| 07:53.18 | mikma | 404 not found |
| 07:53.32 | Semlar | hm |
| 07:54.27 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/BNIzD.gif |
| 07:55.18 | Semlar | those are the ten wmo objects associated with one of the tiles in org |
| 07:56.22 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the first 3 floats represent the top left corner and the next 3 are the bottom right but the coordinate system isn't the same one they use for the map |
| 07:56.43 | Semlar | it's relative to.. something |
| 07:58.46 | Semlar | probably just the center of the model |
| 07:58.54 | Semlar | i don't think it actually tells me where it's placed |
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| 11:04.56 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 11:05.58 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 11:06.09 | Fisker | all i want for christmas is you |
| 11:06.13 | Fisker | :) |
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| 12:48.09 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Holidays everyone! || Happy Birthday Torhal! |
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| 13:02.29 | mikma | http://cdn1.clkads.com/ext/ibario/53/meet_real_housewife_general120_600_3.jpg OH YEAAAAAH |
| 13:04.55 | rtharper | loves short men. |
| 13:05.03 | rtharper | I am rather short myself by nordic standards |
| 13:05.26 | Humbedooh | rtharper: short men are the best |
| 13:05.33 | Humbedooh | is maybe not so short :| |
| 13:05.35 | mikma | you know the saying |
| 13:05.37 | rtharper | is 176 |
| 13:05.39 | mikma | short men have long... |
| 13:05.44 | Humbedooh | is 189 :\ |
| 13:05.44 | mikma | is 175 |
| 13:06.04 | rtharper | wow, giant |
| 13:06.25 | Humbedooh | rtharper: not by Danish standards, but apparently so by Finnish ones :p |
| 13:06.30 | rtharper | heheh |
| 13:06.36 | Humbedooh | I couldn't really fit in the bed when I last came to visit |
| 13:07.13 | rtharper | aww, hehe |
| 13:07.21 | rtharper | there's always room in our bed *badumtisch* |
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| 13:08.48 | mikma | i'll keep that in mind if i turn swedish at some point |
| 13:09.19 | Humbedooh | haha |
| 13:14.42 | Humbedooh | I see her majesty will address her public in 3D this year |
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| 13:26.16 | mikma | rtharper: yell jim to accept all my addons or i'll come to your place and sing |
| 13:26.52 | rtharper | Humbedooh: yes, because wrinkles in 2D are so much less attractive...oh wait |
| 13:27.01 | Humbedooh | :D |
| 13:28.04 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i can't actually |
| 13:28.15 | mikma | jnwhiteh: oh em gee |
| 13:28.29 | Stanzilla | mikma: I just did on c |
| 13:28.39 | mikma | stanzilla: happy joy joy, thanks :) |
| 13:28.48 | Stanzilla | np! |
| 13:29.30 | Humbedooh | mikma: maybe he likes your singing ;o |
| 13:30.53 | mikma | humbedooh: oh no, he told jim cause jim reacted that fast |
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| 13:58.57 | karl_w_w | so you go to a place on google maps, right click, click what's here and then click search nearby |
| 13:59.24 | karl_w_w | you find the place you are looking for it, click directions and it puts the place you found in the destination |
| 13:59.57 | karl_w_w | but it doesnt put the place you're going from, so fine, you click the starting point pin and select directions from here |
| 14:00.24 | karl_w_w | and it clears the destination you just found |
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| 14:11.53 | Jamash | karl_w_w: u r bad at googel |
| 14:14.52 | karl_w_w | ok sorry |
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| 14:41.30 | karl_w_w | how do i send google a suggestion :P |
| 14:43.11 | karl_w_w | i know how to report problems with the mapping data but not problems with the ui |
| 14:47.03 | Jamash | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=suggest+google+maps+feature |
| 14:47.57 | karl_w_w | http://support.google.com/maps/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=suggestions.cs apparently I can only choose from pre-selected suggestions, which seems to defeat the purpose |
| 14:48.05 | Jamash | doy |
| 14:48.10 | Jamash | google is bad at suggestions |
| 14:48.40 | Jamash | http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!categories/maps/feature-suggestions |
| 14:49.22 | karl_w_w | http://support.google.com/contact/bin/request.py?hl=en&contact_type=bizdev&rd=1 |
| 14:50.06 | karl_w_w | i love that forum page layout |
| 14:50.27 | karl_w_w | less than half the page height is used for what you're actually trying to look at |
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| 14:55.25 | Jamash | it's better if you click on the gear and choose "Compact" |
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| 16:46.24 | Arrowmaster | Adys: whens the christmas special air? |
| 16:57.52 | Stanzilla | 2 days |
| 16:58.06 | Stanzilla | oh wait |
| 16:58.16 | Stanzilla | 17:15 uk time |
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| 16:59.41 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: in 15 minutes then |
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| 17:01.14 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
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| 17:04.06 | karl_w_w | annoying, my tv has ARC on hdmi 1 but i can't get it to turn on |
| 17:04.23 | karl_w_w | and i cant find the manual on my house or online |
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| 17:31.09 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/qE5qD |
| 17:42.20 | Xzempt | what api function would be the best one to use to check my buffs and see if something is missing? |
| 17:44.22 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://wastedonsteam.com/usd/id/arrowmaster |
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| 17:58.15 | Xzempt | better yet, why is PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT not triggered when casting a spell? lol |
| 17:59.42 | Xzempt | guess I should use PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED |
| 17:59.43 | Xzempt | huh |
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| 18:06.26 | Adys | no idea Arrowmaster |
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| 18:35.36 | Darkchaos | Hey Guys :) I need to "Mill" Herbals in my Addon. What to do? CastSpell(x, "spell") and afterwards UseContainerItem? |
| 18:39.47 | Adys | Arrowmaster: it's up |
| 18:39.56 | Adys | ill wait for hd tho |
| 18:41.21 | Ackis | my wife got me a Corsair Force Series SSD 3 180 gb for Christmas :D |
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| 18:48.47 | Ackis | is there an easy way that I can copy my OS to the SSD? |
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| 18:56.33 | Fisker | do you want to Ackis ? |
| 18:56.53 | Darkchaos | reinstall is better, as you need to copy the MBR etc as well |
| 18:57.31 | Ackis | bleh I was hoping for an easier solution than redoing my whole PC |
| 18:59.11 | Ackis | I was thinking of doing an windows 8 upgrade at the same time |
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| 19:01.23 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: yes, image it |
| 19:01.41 | Fisker | s/yes, image it/no, reinstall/ |
| 19:02.11 | Thunder_Child | boot off hirens and use ghost to either direct clone it or save it as an image. |
| 19:09.14 | Ackis | Fisker, Thunder_Child: is there anyway to ensure that only the OS gets on the SSD? |
| 19:09.27 | Fisker | yeah just reinstall |
| 19:09.35 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 19:09.42 | Thunder_Child | you would need to install fresh for that |
| 19:09.51 | Thunder_Child | what exactly are you trying to save? |
| 19:10.34 | Thunder_Child | also Fisker, that's not reinstall since there was nothing installed on the ssd in the first place. |
| 19:10.36 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: my big problem is that I can't find my Office CD's/cdkey |
| 19:10.57 | Ackis | maybe now is the time to move away from Office? |
| 19:11.03 | Adys | Arrowmaster: hd is up |
| 19:11.03 | Thunder_Child | Ackis: http://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/ |
| 19:11.04 | foxlit | that time was years ago. |
| 19:11.24 | Thunder_Child | as long as it is not 2010 |
| 19:11.40 | Thunder_Child | if it is i need to find the better key one, i can just never remember it's name |
| 19:11.56 | Ackis | apparently it's office 2007 |
| 19:12.08 | Thunder_Child | then that tool should work |
| 19:12.24 | Fisker | don't use office 2007 |
| 19:13.39 | Ackis | what do you use Fisker? |
| 19:14.01 | Fisker | office 2010 |
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| 19:43.54 | Mr_Rabies | fjiskkkurr |
| 19:50.50 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder why some crops are "you create item" and others are "you receive item" |
| 19:55.48 | foxlit | I think that has more to do with what you have in your bags than with what crop you're harvesting. |
| 20:08.11 | kd3 | har at this year's christmas feat of strength |
| 20:17.08 | mckenziemc | yeah, what foxlit said -- i think i've seen that with other items too |
| 20:18.30 | Darkchaos | how can i use GetContainerItemInfo to determinate if the Item is millable? Maybe splitting the Link into ItemIDs? |
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| 20:42.11 | Iriel | Darkchaos: That'd be the first step |
| 20:42.19 | Iriel | then looking the itemID up in a table of millable items |
| 20:42.37 | Darkchaos | But how can I split up some Links? |
| 20:43.01 | foxlit | (not that you need to; see GetContainerItemID) |
| 20:43.23 | Darkchaos | ow well :) |
| 20:44.01 | Darkchaos | that's even better :) Thank you |
| 20:44.01 | Darkchaos | both |
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| 20:58.39 | Arrowmaster | Adys: well i just got home so im downloading it now |
| 21:00.41 | Darkchaos | what would you use to compare the item ids? Some sort of set where the ID is the key? and if (set[key] ~= nil) |
| 21:01.37 | p3lim | Anyone here that happen to have experience with the github API? |
| 21:03.09 | Adys | p3lim: a little |
| 21:03.17 | Adys | Darkchaos: what do you mean? |
| 21:03.30 | p3lim | I'll ask you in a PM Adys |
| 21:03.37 | Adys | k |
| 21:04.13 | Darkchaos | I need to have some set of Data and then look if this set contains some sort of ID, Like i would have in any other lang string[] sa = new string[3] {0, 1, 2}; and then if (3 in sa) |
| 21:10.46 | mikma | darkchaos: isnumber() ? |
| 21:12.51 | Darkchaos | this is not the idea behind, I want to check only for particular numbers |
| 21:15.22 | mikma | then you need to make a table of the numbers and compare them |
| 21:18.23 | Darkchaos | And I can only compare them by iterating through? |
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| 21:20.18 | Darkchaos | no easy "in" opeartor? |
| 21:21.54 | cbreak | what does an in operator do? |
| 21:25.44 | cbreak | I've never heard of that one |
| 21:27.18 | foxlit | cbreak: javascript. |
| 21:27.38 | foxlit | also python |
| 21:28.04 | foxlit | and SQL. |
| 21:29.08 | xyphoid_ | you have the in_array function instead |
| 21:29.14 | xyphoid_ | augh |
| 21:29.21 | xyphoid_ | wrong channel again |
| 21:30.07 | foxlit | (what could possibly lure you into a PHP-related channel?) |
| 21:30.44 | foxlit | Darkchaos: no, there's no in. You might want to get comfortable and read through the Lua reference manual if you're interested in the basic types available in the language -- http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.2 |
| 21:32.13 | foxlit | the short version is that the only available data structure is an associative array (or hash table), and the standard library only allows you to iterate through all its members or access a specific one by key. |
| 21:35.22 | Darkchaos | so i could do "if (1337 in a)" as "if (a["1337"] != nil)" ? |
| 21:36.16 | cbreak | you want a set? |
| 21:36.17 | foxlit | you could do that to achieve what you want, but they're not actually the same. |
| 21:36.20 | cbreak | of course lua can do that |
| 21:36.47 | cbreak | but why the hell do you store numbers as strings? |
| 21:36.54 | cbreak | that sounds quite stupid. |
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| 21:37.35 | foxlit | Hm, sorry, they might be the same, depending on which in you're thinking of -- it's certainly the same as Javascript's. |
| 21:39.39 | foxlit | (and not the same as PHP's in_array, which checks for a value rather than a key) |
| 21:39.58 | Darkchaos | I simply want to no if a particular itemid is a herb, and so I have a set with the itemIDs as Key |
| 21:40.04 | cbreak | if php has it, then it's probably braindead in at least three ways. |
| 21:40.14 | Darkchaos | and if the key is not in the set, it's not a herb |
| 21:40.31 | foxlit | Darkchaos: yes, that would work. |
| 21:40.38 | cbreak | Darkchaos: that's the normal way: use a table with set semantics |
| 21:40.41 | foxlit | Generally, you're looking at something like |
| 21:40.49 | cbreak | you can use map semantics too if you store some useful data |
| 21:41.21 | foxlit | lua> t = {[1234]=1, [2345]=1} if t[1234] then print("1234 is in t") end if t[3456] then else print("3456 is not in t") end |
| 21:41.22 | lua_bot | foxlit: 1234 is in t, 3456 is not in t |
| 21:43.52 | foxlit | (this generally works because t[key_not_in_t] is nil, and nil is not truthy in boolean expressions -- so you don't have to check it explicitly with ~= nil) |
| 21:46.51 | Darkchaos | as long as t[key_in_t] is not false |
| 21:46.59 | foxlit | Yep. |
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| 21:52.52 | Neffi | Merry Jesus birthday, #wowuidev |
| 21:53.14 | foxlit | happy solstice, Neffi. Halfway out of the dark and all that. |
| 21:53.37 | Neffi | Not all that happy for me. I like the dark. =( |
| 21:57.31 | foxlit | have you considered travelling around the globe, keeping pace with Earth's rotation around the sun? |
| 21:58.06 | Neffi | No but I have considered living in the arctic |
| 21:58.16 | foxlit | polar day! |
| 21:58.29 | foxlit | (also polar bears) |
| 21:58.43 | Neffi | one day |
| 21:58.46 | Neffi | for now, NYC is fine too |
| 21:59.59 | Neffi | I wonder what quality internet connection I can get in the arctic |
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| 22:02.25 | nevcairiel | whatever some satellite spits out =p |
| 22:04.16 | Fisker | i wonder if blizzard were on drugs when making the enigma seeds |
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| 22:27.25 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope the next tier doesn't have so many ~10 minute long fights |
| 22:27.39 | zenzelezz | would you like shorter or longer? |
| 22:27.46 | Mr_Rabies | like 75% of the ones this tier seem to be 8-10 mins |
| 22:27.49 | Mr_Rabies | shorter |
| 22:27.55 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mind a few long fights |
| 22:28.05 | Mr_Rabies | but when each one is that long it gets kind of annoying |
| 22:28.14 | Mr_Rabies | especially when part of the length is just phase looping |
| 22:28.19 | Mr_Rabies | like elegon |
| 22:28.40 | zenzelezz | I never actually looked at how long fights actually lasted... makes me wonder |
| 22:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | very few are shorter than 8 minutes this tier |
| 22:29.56 | Mr_Rabies | i don't expect every fight to be short, but i like variety |
| 22:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | it really sucks to learn the long fights, so some short fights make it less soul-destroying |
| 22:30.42 | zenzelezz | I can't really speak for anything post tier-1 WotLK, all I remember is I generally enjoyed the average BC boss fight length. Looking back they feel shorter than 10 minutes, but it's been a while |
| 22:35.19 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mind long fights if they have a reason to be, and there aren't a ton of them |
| 22:35.52 | Mr_Rabies | but when you've got 18 bosses to clear and each one takes 10 minutes plus trash plus wipes, doing lfr for the VP takes forever |
| 22:36.28 | Mr_Rabies | er, 16 |
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| 22:46.50 | xyphoid_ | i think i prefer this model of too much stuff to do |
| 22:47.14 | xyphoid_ | it's like, we're used to well you can do everything in X hours a week |
| 22:47.17 | xyphoid_ | now you can't do everything |
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| 22:52.29 | Mr_Rabies | it would be better if it were more substantial |
| 22:52.44 | Mr_Rabies | but as is i'm just looking forward to when i can tick off something |
| 22:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | like, as soon as i get 10 sigils of wisdom i'm done with LFR |
| 22:53.33 | Mr_Rabies | as soon as i'm revered with the factions i need i'm done with dailies until the next patch, etc |
| 22:54.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of messed up when the content is designed in a way for it to be a relief when you get to play the game less |
| 22:57.37 | mckenziemc | maybe that's a sign of other issues |
| 23:00.15 | Mr_Rabies | when something's mandatory far beyond any amount of enjoyment, it's certainly gonna be an issue |
| 23:00.33 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know anyone who genuinely likes doing the same few dailies every day or so |
| 23:01.05 | mckenziemc | when you think any part of a game is mandatory, it's certainly gonna be an issue ;) |
| 23:01.16 | Mr_Rabies | well, it is if i want to stay in my raid group |
| 23:01.20 | iShirik | Merry Christmas |
| 23:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | i got hitler for christmas |
| 23:02.48 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.goshlondon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/adolf.gif |
| 23:02.51 | Mr_Rabies | from a friend of mine |
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| 23:04.26 | znf | Mr_Rabies, how are you capping VPs? |
| 23:05.00 | znf | (I only scrolled trough the last ~30 lines or so) |
| 23:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | anyway i can |
| 23:07.46 | Mr_Rabies | i wish the 5 mans and scenario stuff was 7 per week instead of one per day |
| 23:07.50 | Mr_Rabies | that's such a regression |
| 23:08.10 | Arrowmaster | im kinda tempted to buy eve on steam since its on sale |
| 23:08.33 | Arrowmaster | but i know thats not the best way to start playing |
| 23:09.06 | znf | I was tempted, too |
| 23:09.13 | znf | But I can't invest 1 year until I can do something in that game |
| 23:09.34 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: that's such a regression << meh. |
| 23:10.27 | foxlit | dungeon finder valor gain is fundamentally different now compared to 4.3 |
| 23:11.35 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish you got more vp for raiding, but i guess they're removing vp as the "raid" currency |
| 23:13.09 | znf | well, in their defense they did bump it from 25/boss to 40/boss |
| 23:13.11 | znf | still not enough :-/ |
| 23:13.12 | foxlit | er, I think you do? |
| 23:13.32 | foxlit | [get more vp for raiding, that is] |
| 23:13.41 | znf | These days in order to cap VPs as a DPS I run LFR & Dungeons on my alt tank |
| 23:13.45 | znf | get the valor buff |
| 23:13.52 | znf | then do LFR on my DPS |
| 23:14.03 | znf | Then go healing in dungeons in Disc spec, whiel I s |
| 23:14.05 | foxlit | But that boss gain probably doesn't work in LFR |
| 23:14.10 | znf | while I smite mobs |
| 23:14.20 | znf | FLR doesn't give VP/boss, indeed |
| 23:14.22 | znf | LFR |
| 23:14.56 | znf | Capping VPs on 2 chars takes forever, though :-/ |
| 23:15.01 | znf | Takes me at least 12 hours a week |
| 23:15.32 | foxlit | Only 3 hours of chain-running challenge modes with gold times, znf. |
| 23:15.38 | foxlit | 1.5 after you get the valor buff :) |
| 23:15.43 | znf | I don't have a challenge mode team |
| 23:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | no one runs challenge modes though |
| 23:15.55 | Mr_Rabies | :/ |
| 23:16.07 | znf | Yup... it's a real small minority of people who run challenge modes |
| 23:16.13 | znf | I frankly don't see it worth my time |
| 23:16.13 | Mr_Rabies | openraid needs to add 5 mans and lfr difficulty |
| 23:16.20 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: just wait for star citizen |
| 23:16.53 | znf | I personally have no idea about Challenge Mode tactics, so I doubt I'd be able to get Gold easily |
| 23:16.58 | Mr_Rabies | 9 minutes into a 15 minute fight it's bugged out |
| 23:16.59 | Mr_Rabies | :Xx |
| 23:17.02 | Mr_Rabies | er :X |
| 23:17.42 | znf | Completely made up statistic, but I'm willing to bet that less than 10% of the WoW population actually does challenge modes |
| 23:19.02 | znf | http://www.wowprogress.com/challenge?class=temple-of-the-jade-serpent |
| 23:19.10 | znf | 10k bronze runs recorded by WoWProgress |
| 23:19.26 | Mr_Rabies | considering we only have like, 20 people on our realm's leaderboard, most of them with people from other realms |
| 23:19.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably less than that |
| 23:19.48 | znf | (and that seems to be the most run instance in there) |
| 23:20.10 | foxlit | The point was really that there /is/ a fast way to cap Valor. |
| 23:20.28 | znf | For the 0.01%, yeah sure... |
| 23:20.32 | Mr_Rabies | there is, but it's not really feasible |
| 23:20.55 | foxlit | I take that to mean that what you actually want is a fast and easy way to cap Valor. |
| 23:21.13 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mind difficult |
| 23:21.17 | Mr_Rabies | but no one runs challenge modes |
| 23:21.25 | znf | I don't see why there was an "issue" with capping VPs from raid content alone like before... |
| 23:21.27 | Mr_Rabies | just like no one runs rbgs |
| 23:21.46 | Mr_Rabies | just like no one uses the "other raids" tool |
| 23:21.56 | Mr_Rabies | just like no one uses ingame voice chat |
| 23:22.02 | Mr_Rabies | just some stuff...never takes off |
| 23:22.09 | Mr_Rabies | and it can't really be considered viable |
| 23:22.12 | znf | Also, before MoP, you could just ignore VPs once you got geared up |
| 23:22.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, you really can't anymore |
| 23:22.35 | znf | Now you can't, because the incentive of upgrading gear from it makes it "mandatory", as much as I dislike to call something mandatory in game |
| 23:22.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's mandatory if the only fun thing left gets taken away because you're slacking |
| 23:23.24 | Mr_Rabies | lfr is mandatory until you have all 489+ gear and all your legendary sigils |
| 23:23.39 | Mr_Rabies | vp capping is mandatory until you're 2/2 on every item |
| 23:23.50 | foxlit | I don't know what you mean by mandatory, then. |
| 23:23.59 | foxlit | It's mandatory for what? |
| 23:24.02 | Mr_Rabies | dailies are mandatory until you have thousands of lesser charms |
| 23:24.03 | znf | foxlit, gear upgrades |
| 23:24.14 | foxlit | Is that an end onto itself? |
| 23:24.20 | znf | now? yeah... |
| 23:24.22 | Mr_Rabies | to be in a raid group that's even remotely interested in progression, foxlit |
| 23:24.59 | znf | Also, it takes roughly 22 weeks to upgrade ALL pieces of gear |
| 23:25.09 | foxlit | To me, it seems like everything past the gear that lets you clear current content of the same difficulty as what you're running to get that gear is basically about stroking your epeen. |
| 23:25.10 | znf | and as soon as you upgrade one, you need to grind 1.5 weeks of VP again |
| 23:25.20 | Mr_Rabies | we've booted several people because they're not putting forth the effort to get better gear outside of raids |
| 23:25.29 | znf | ^ what Mr_Rabies says |
| 23:25.41 | znf | Not everyone has the luxury to have top people in their raid group |
| 23:25.54 | Mr_Rabies | when you're doing 30k dps and the rest of the dps is doing 50k+, you're slacking |
| 23:26.01 | znf | and if someone slacks, someone else needs to pick up the slack, basically |
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| 23:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | when the tanks beat you on dps because you didn't bother capping vp, doing dailies, and doing lfr |
| 23:26.34 | Mr_Rabies | you're slacking |
| 23:27.08 | znf | The tanks beat you on DPS on a few fights anyway :P |
| 23:27.13 | foxlit | I don't particularly like that line of reasoning. "My raid group sucks, therefore I NEED better gear!" |
| 23:27.25 | znf | foxlit, it's the truth... |
| 23:27.27 | foxlit | to me, it seems like a really short way to "HEROIC EPICS IN THE MAIL OR THE KITTY GETS IT!" |
| 23:27.34 | Mr_Rabies | there are several gear checks |
| 23:27.39 | Mr_Rabies | if you're the reason we're not meeting those |
| 23:27.40 | Mr_Rabies | you're gone |
| 23:28.04 | znf | Except it's not that easy to give someone the boot, especially on low-pop servers with close to no recruitment pool |
| 23:28.34 | znf | So you need people to actually form a raid group, and when the choice is to not bring anyone or bring the shit player... you're not going to run with 24 or 9 people |
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| 23:29.06 | Mr_Rabies | i think you're conflating time spent with difficulty to an extent foxlit |
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| 23:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think dailies should give anything other than rep and gold, personally |
| 23:29.50 | Mr_Rabies | (and exp, and let you start at about 87) |
| 23:30.19 | Mr_Rabies | vp's only so hard to gear up now because blizzard has changed their design |
| 23:30.39 | Mr_Rabies | they're no longer currency for raiders, they're also currency for people who want raid gear but don't raid |
| 23:30.53 | Mr_Rabies | however, this makes it more of a pain for raiders |
| 23:31.31 | znf | I don't mind doing dailies for VPs for example |
| 23:31.36 | Mr_Rabies | since they've gotta do dailies, 5 mans, lfr, farming at the ranch, capping vp, and still hopefully have time for stuff that's not mandatory |
| 23:31.37 | znf | but not that the current rate of 5/quest |
| 23:32.00 | znf | I'm also done with all factions to exalted now, so there's no other incentive for me |
| 23:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:32.21 | Mr_Rabies | exactly |
| 23:32.29 | Mr_Rabies | when you're like "well finally, i can stop playing wow as much" |
| 23:32.30 | znf | I have stocked around ~1000 charms anyway |
| 23:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | you know there's probably too much going on |
| 23:32.48 | znf | I'll probably stop farming on the ranch anyway |
| 23:33.01 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: when you're like "well finally, i can stop playing wow as much" << "you're playing it wrong" :) |
| 23:33.11 | znf | Golden Lotus prices have dropped down so much that there's no more reason, really |
| 23:33.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's a design flaw then foxlit |
| 23:33.28 | Mr_Rabies | that's how it's designed |
| 23:33.37 | Mr_Rabies | if their intent is otherwise, they've designed it improperly |
| 23:34.05 | Mr_Rabies | dailies in general are terrible, honestly |
| 23:34.14 | znf | The new faction wasn't bad. |
| 23:34.16 | Mr_Rabies | i've never liked the concept, and they're why i stopped playing in tbc |
| 23:34.16 | znf | Shado-Pan wasn't bad |
| 23:34.28 | znf | The terrible ones were Golden Lotus and Klaxxi |
| 23:34.30 | Mr_Rabies | the part that's not bad are the non-dailies with both, though |
| 23:34.31 | foxlit | You're assuming their design doesn't allow you to deviate from their intentions if you want to |
| 23:34.33 | znf | with their shti drop rates |
| 23:35.08 | znf | foxlit, how does it allow? |
| 23:35.23 | Mr_Rabies | part of what makes shieldwall tolerable is that it came out when most of the gear's a minor upgrade for raiders, and there's a storyline involved with huge rep bonuses |
| 23:35.24 | znf | Before 5.1 I could have safely ignored VPs after I got all the gear from the factions. |
| 23:35.24 | foxlit | Lack of the daily quest cap does not mean that the intention is for you to do every single daily every single day. |
| 23:35.44 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, but you have to do enough to get lesser charms, at least |
| 23:35.51 | znf | foxlit, they failed in that arae then, because everyone jumped to them to finish them. |
| 23:35.55 | Mr_Rabies | if you don't have 3 charms a week, you're probably gonna get booted |
| 23:36.03 | Mr_Rabies | there needs to be an alternative way to get charms |
| 23:36.14 | znf | I started doing dailies when I dinged 90 |
| 23:36.22 | znf | Mostly because I wanted them out of the way |
| 23:36.28 | Mr_Rabies | and also yeah, they failed to explain how the vp cap makes it unnecessary to do every daily every day |
| 23:36.31 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: I think we've already established that I don't think highly of your guild. |
| 23:36.38 | Mr_Rabies | the design points towards spending 10 hours a day or so playing |
| 23:36.56 | znf | I absolutely hate the total VP cap :-/ |
| 23:37.04 | znf | I don't understand the need for it |
| 23:37.11 | znf | Why are they forcing me to spend it to earn more? |
| 23:37.16 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit: we're actually very, very lax when it comes to that kind of stuff compared to others |
| 23:37.30 | Mr_Rabies | that's why we're not more progressed than we are |
| 23:37.34 | foxlit | so if you don't have 3 charms a week, you're not going to get booted? |
| 23:37.38 | Mr_Rabies | we're only 7/16 |
| 23:37.53 | Mr_Rabies | not if you get lucky in lfr/normal raids |
| 23:37.56 | Mr_Rabies | if it shows on the chart |
| 23:37.57 | Mr_Rabies | you're gone |
| 23:38.01 | znf | There's probably guilds out there that boot you for not spending 3 coins/week :P |
| 23:38.09 | znf | Altough I fail to see how they could track it |
| 23:38.28 | Mr_Rabies | we really only care about final results |
| 23:38.30 | znf | I heard rumours about a guild requiring their applicants to have the reforge mount before applying |
| 23:38.41 | mikma | lul |
| 23:38.41 | Mr_Rabies | if the final result is you obviously slacking, you've gotta go, for the sake of progression |
| 23:39.13 | znf | We're just over-recruiting and sitting people out if they can't be arsed to improve themselvs |
| 23:39.16 | foxlit | :/ |
| 23:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | you can make up for it by being lucky in the 10 mans and getting a lot of upgrades in there |
| 23:39.26 | foxlit | You could just play as if this was 4.2, and the only raid gear came from raid instances |
| 23:40.03 | Mr_Rabies | but if you're like me and have crap luck from rolls, you've gotta play a LOT to make up for it |
| 23:40.16 | znf | foxlit, I actually wonder if any progression-oriented guild actually accepts people as a trialist without a 2/2 upgraded weapon |
| 23:40.29 | znf | Because that's the biggest upgrade one could get right now |
| 23:40.33 | Mr_Rabies | my weapon's not 2/2, though when i get enough vp i probably will |
| 23:40.45 | Mr_Rabies | i upgraded my tier 496 gloves instead |
| 23:40.54 | znf | That's a bad one :P |
| 23:41.03 | Mr_Rabies | well, it's one of two 496 items i have |
| 23:41.11 | Mr_Rabies | i have the BoE chest and those |
| 23:41.13 | foxlit | znf: what's a progression-oriented guild? |
| 23:41.21 | foxlit | (and how far along have they... progressed?) |
| 23:41.27 | Mr_Rabies | a guild that doesn't have time for slackers |
| 23:41.47 | foxlit | that's a-ok then. The first rule of the no-slackers club is that we kick the slackers out of the club. |
| 23:41.49 | znf | foxlit, one that wants to progress heroic modes, I guess? to put it lightly |
| 23:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | if you're the reason we're not progressing, then there's obviously a problem |
| 23:42.05 | Mr_Rabies | if everyone's slacking at the same rate then it's okay |
| 23:42.17 | Mr_Rabies | but if it's obvious you're holding us back, there are few options available |
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| 23:42.25 | znf | My guild is pretty shitty, we only raid 3 nights a week, 4 hours per night |
| 23:42.27 | foxlit | znf: foxlit, I actually wonder if any progression-oriented guild actually accepts people as a trialist without a 2/2 upgraded weapon << that's basically begging the question :) |
| 23:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | we do 3 nights a week, 3 hours a night |
| 23:42.52 | znf | I am very aware that there's ~10-12 people that carry the rest |
| 23:42.56 | znf | But there's nothing much we can do |
| 23:43.01 | Mr_Rabies | well, we're 10 man |
| 23:43.07 | Mr_Rabies | so we don't have any room to carry even one |
| 23:43.11 | znf | we need progress to get better people to get more progress... |
| 23:43.39 | Mr_Rabies | one death after a brez in many of these fights is an auto-wipe |
| 23:44.10 | znf | meh, we totally rape 10m's when we go on off-raid days |
| 23:44.17 | znf | but ofc we pick the best players |
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| 23:44.32 | Mr_Rabies | we've got a lot of people that slack that we haven't booted yet |
| 23:44.50 | znf | Same, but considering we killed Empress and cleared ToE last week with 24... |
| 23:44.55 | Mr_Rabies | one of them's a rl friend of the guild leader so we can't do much about that :| |
| 23:45.14 | znf | heh, one of our german healers hooked up with the italian gm |
| 23:45.25 | znf | and her performance dropped like a rock, for some reasons |
| 23:46.12 | znf | Can't exactly say "let's boot her out of the guild" now :-/ |
| 23:46.12 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mind wiping a million times on bosses personally, but it starts to grate on you with 50 wipes on elegon |
| 23:46.21 | Mr_Rabies | at 8 minutes in |
| 23:46.43 | znf | The only issue I have is that sometimes it's like bashing our heads against a wall |
| 23:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 23:47.00 | znf | And for some reasons lately Blizzard pushes "weakest-link" fights more and more |
| 23:47.08 | Mr_Rabies | and when 20 of those 50 wipes were because of the same person slacking in one way or another |
| 23:47.14 | Mr_Rabies | civility starts to unwind |
| 23:47.48 | znf | Amber Shaper ATM is our weakest link. Even though we kill it a few times, we're getting lucky when someone who has an idea what to do gets Reshaped |
| 23:47.54 | foxlit | I think they need to bring back the colosseum attempt system, just for you :) |
| 23:48.11 | znf | If our weakest player gets Reshaped, it's pretty much a wipe |
| 23:48.13 | Mr_Rabies | what foxlit? :O |
| 23:48.20 | znf | "what button do I press hurr durr?!" |
| 23:48.28 | znf | Even though we explained it a million time... |
| 23:48.41 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: after ~10 wipes, the instance shuts down for the week. That'd fix the stress! |
| 23:48.46 | Mr_Rabies | honestly |
| 23:48.52 | znf | That would be lovely :P |
| 23:48.54 | Mr_Rabies | it'd save me a lot of time |
| 23:49.12 | Mr_Rabies | there have been nights where i've wanted to call it but we keep going because not progressing after a month is killing us |
| 23:49.29 | Mr_Rabies | because one person is still rocking 480 ilvl |
| 23:49.55 | foxlit | Is ~10 item levels really going to fix all your problems? |
| 23:50.18 | Mr_Rabies | well, it'll make up for their poor playing on top of it to an extent |
| 23:50.38 | znf | foxlit, well, kind of, healers have to heal for less time, tanks have to tank for less time, dps have to dps less time and you reduce "window" of failing |
| 23:51.04 | foxlit | znf: but would it be reduced by any significant amount, or just a few seconds? |
| 23:51.48 | foxlit | I could understand wanting to push for minute gear improvements it if you kept wiping at 4%, but systematic failures during a raid are usually not a gear problem. |
| 23:51.50 | znf | well, after they introduced the upgrade system, our TsuLong kill time dropped from barely making the enrage by 2 seconds to killing it with a minute time to spare (or more) |
| 23:53.01 | foxlit | (armchair raidleading: maybe raids should just be called after a small(ish) amount of attempts that fail to improve significantly.) |
| 23:53.14 | Mr_Rabies | absolutely |
| 23:53.19 | Mr_Rabies | we do, generally |
| 23:53.31 | znf | we do sometimes, too |
| 23:53.37 | Mr_Rabies | but we've taken off soo many nights because of that |
| 23:53.49 | foxlit | and Amber Shaper probably benefits from some sort of addon that'd tell you what to do. |
| 23:53.53 | Mr_Rabies | we're only 7/16 |
| 23:53.53 | znf | But when with the huge content available and still progressing on it, it's not a real good alternative |
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| 23:54.10 | znf | foxlit, everyone has dbm/bigwigs installd |
| 23:54.16 | foxlit | (though okay, I remember Teron, and the people who just couldn't do anything meaningful with ghosts) |
| 23:54.32 | foxlit | znf: I'm not sure dbm/bigwigs is a good thing. |
| 23:54.34 | znf | when bigwigs screams "YOU ARE CASTING" and you don't know what to press... |
| 23:54.57 | znf | even though we told you a dozen times... :-/ |
| 23:55.13 | znf | well, boss mods are useful when you configure them to your needs |
| 23:55.17 | foxlit | back when the world was young and I used those things, they did far too much screaming, and far too little of it was useful. |
| 23:55.26 | Mr_Rabies | foxlit, the problem is the design and what blizzard's saying are two different things |
| 23:55.34 | znf | I turn off the timers I don't give a fuck about, for example |
| 23:55.52 | znf | but people who use addons are idiots, you know that... |
| 23:56.01 | Mr_Rabies | they say you don't have to min-max, and then they add a system that bumps up your ilvl for 3/4 a week's vp cap each |
| 23:56.07 | foxlit | znf: it strikes me that a good addon would turn off the timers you don't give a fuck about without your intervention :) |
| 23:56.40 | foxlit | I buy that like of reasoning. |
| 23:56.41 | znf | well, BigWigs does that to an extent |
| 23:56.42 | Mr_Rabies | well, what's important to one person may be different to someone else of that class/spec |
| 23:56.58 | znf | BigWigs doesn't show you healing/tanking timers if you're a DPS, for example |
| 23:57.00 | Mr_Rabies | for example, our raid leader turns on EVERYTHING |
| 23:57.12 | Mr_Rabies | because he calls out the major stuff that doesn't apply to him, as well |
| 23:57.29 | Mr_Rabies | because without callouts, our slackers get hit by it EVERY TIME |
| 23:57.45 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: the default case should be to detect your role. Your RL can turn everything on if he wants to :) |
| 23:58.01 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i suppose |
| 23:58.06 | znf | yeah, then there's people who go manually into the encounter settings and turn on everything, even broadcasting trough /rw |
| 23:58.10 | Mr_Rabies | i like to know everything since i offheal as a feral too |
| 23:58.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's nice to anticipate a heavy damage spike to i can save my free instant heal for a tank or healer or whatever |
| 23:58.58 | foxlit | But a lot of it is probably UI design. I don't particularly like /rw (and addons that locally fake /rw) as a way of getting my attention |
| 23:59.11 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: don't most bosses telegraph their high-damage spikes? |
| 23:59.16 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, they do |
| 23:59.31 | znf | well, people are idiots when it comes to UI design, you know that very well :P |
| 23:59.41 | Mr_Rabies | i've got dbm set up to replace the built-in ones with dbm's for the most part |
| 23:59.48 | Mr_Rabies | just for consistency and less spam |
