| 00:04.48 | TC-work | hmm...I think steam's 'Flash Sales' are somewhat misnamed. |
| 00:08.16 | Alram | FLASH |
| 00:08.18 | Alram | AAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 00:12.37 | Arrowmaster | i still need to decide if im going to buy NS2 while its on sale |
| 00:27.54 | Torhal | ships Alram to the 80's. |
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| 00:28.27 | Alram | i have to warn everyone now Torhal |
| 00:28.30 | Alram | for the impending end of the world |
| 00:28.37 | Torhal | I see. |
| 00:36.48 | Sintacks | How does Blizzard determine order for server list when you sort by chars, when you have the same number of chars on multiple servers ... |
| 00:37.43 | Corrodias | it rolls over and asks yo momma |
| 00:38.12 | Corrodias | *first pump* |
| 00:38.17 | Corrodias | *fist |
| 00:38.20 | Corrodias | that is a hard word to type |
| 00:39.57 | mckenziemc1 | fist? |
| 00:40.00 | A-KO | Sintacks: probably last accessed |
| 00:40.18 | Corrodias | yes, i keep typing first instead |
| 00:40.31 | A-KO | I could find out if you REALLY wanted to know |
| 00:40.53 | A-KO | jesus god how do users get infected with malware |
| 00:40.56 | A-KO | what the shit |
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| 00:43.26 | mckenziemc1 | it's only malware if you know the difference! |
| 00:54.22 | kd3 | hm |
| 00:54.37 | kd3 | ponders at a suspiciously-timed email |
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| 01:06.31 | mckenziemc1 | hey bluspacecow |
| 01:07.05 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 01:07.16 | mckenziemc1 | hey bluspacecowarmpit |
| 01:08.12 | mckenziemc1 | has the world ended yet, bluspacecow? |
| 01:08.21 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 01:08.28 | mckenziemc1 | darn |
| 01:10.16 | TC-work | I read that as Sapce Co Warm Pit |
| 01:10.23 | TC-work | Space* |
| 01:11.21 | mckenziemc1 | planning a vacation? |
| 01:12.42 | TC-work | nope, just 5 days off |
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| 01:19.03 | TC-work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/778137811/yeehawd-the-fun-family-game-about-holy-wartm that's amusing |
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| 01:30.49 | bluspacecow | Cairenn|afk: http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/45066_497198783636937_489935727_n.jpg |
| 01:48.40 | Benalish | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=270934#post270934 |
| 01:48.45 | Benalish | can you help me? |
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| 01:55.20 | bluspacecow | I can't sorry :) |
| 01:55.35 | bluspacecow | doesn't mean someone else here can't if they choose to do so.. |
| 01:55.42 | bluspacecow | a random seerah appears ! hi2u! |
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| 01:59.34 | Benalish | lol |
| 02:00.24 | Seerah | hihi, bluspacecow!! :) |
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| 02:02.52 | VIad | do you think 6 hours of sleep is enough? :P |
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| 02:09.08 | Cairenn|afk | bluspacecow: hehehe, cute |
| 02:10.47 | Neffi | 9 hours until the end of the world. G'luck. |
| 02:11.43 | TC-work | I think you mean 6 |
| 02:11.47 | TC-work | ish |
| 02:12.13 | Neffi | Nope. Solstice occurs at 11:12 AM UTC. |
| 02:12.19 | Neffi | 9 hours away from.. right now. |
| 02:13.06 | TC-work | except the mayans were pst/mst |
| 02:13.31 | Neffi | Their long-count ended on the solstice. Had nothing to do with time zones. |
| 02:21.47 | VIad | lol this is a first; used my argent crusader's tabard (teleport to the tournament grounds) and got a "Transfer Aborted: instance not found" error lol :P |
| 02:22.14 | VIad | (30 min cooldowns without actually porting me, lame) |
| 02:26.23 | Neffi | World PvP is funny when you play both factions |
| 02:26.36 | Neffi | Alliance perspective: HURR HORDE ONLY PVP WHEN ITS 5 V 1 |
| 02:27.00 | Neffi | Horde perspective: Oh fuck this dude's getting pummeled by somebody with heirlooms. Better help him out. |
| 02:30.31 | Arrowmaster | fuck weather report says to expect snow |
| 02:30.51 | Arrowmaster | if its not already snowing, but i dont really want to look outside |
| 02:31.01 | TC-work | look...LOOK! |
| 02:31.50 | Arrowmaster | but i like my chair |
| 02:31.54 | Arrowmaster | i dont want to get up |
| 02:33.23 | TC-work | roll over to the window? |
| 02:34.12 | Arrowmaster | fine i went and looked, theres frost on my cars windsheild but thats about it, and the grass looks a bit sparkly |
| 02:34.53 | Arrowmaster | i dont want to have to drive tomorrow if it snows |
| 02:35.57 | Cairenn|afk | Storm's started here now. =/ |
| 02:39.45 | Arrowmaster | anybody know any of the beta passwords for steam linux games that are listed but dont have anything to download? |
| 02:39.54 | Arrowmaster | i found out FTLs beta password is 'betapatch' |
| 02:45.30 | TC-work | http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/20/dungeon-defenders-ue3-linux/ |
| 02:46.01 | TC-work | and it's a good game too |
| 02:46.58 | Neffi | Holy shit League of Legends got renamed? |
| 02:47.25 | TC-work | uh, no? |
| 02:48.03 | VIad | "curse client is updating to version 5.1.1.584" for 30 min now, can I kill it with taskman? |
| 02:48.26 | Neffi | I probably would, but there's no guarantee you won't need to reinstall |
| 02:50.36 | VIad | well when you make a program updater not have a close button, what else can I do? |
| 02:51.03 | VIad | the programmer expected the updater to always succeed :P |
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| 03:09.56 | Arrowmaster | ah damnit, the beta version of FTL on steam linux doesnt sync saved games so ive got nothing unlocked |
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| 03:10.32 | karl_w_w | goes out with this line ready "the world is ending today, do you really wanna die a virgin?" |
| 03:11.13 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: http://i.qkme.me/3s9pwk.jpg |
| 03:12.42 | TC-work | I have an apoc party to go to tonight |
| 03:13.20 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 03:42.53 | ccox | Mayans perfected the art of trolling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw |
| 03:54.30 | pompy | "The winner goes on sale and a new vote starts in 24:04:00" did they word that wrong or somthing :O? |
| 03:54.52 | karl_w_w | no, it should probably be in 4 minutes |
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| 03:57.30 | pompy | damn look what blizz gave the Daily Blink as well http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151274727969034&set=a.298842734033.144051.138011799033&type=1 |
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| 04:21.20 | kd3 | apparently it was a /really/ bad storm: http://i.imgur.com/vZToO.jpg |
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| 04:21.38 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 04:21.42 | bluspacecow | oh noes |
| 04:21.50 | bluspacecow | the entire state of wisconsin. IS CLOSED |
| 04:21.58 | Arrowmaster | did steam die? |
| 04:21.59 | TC-work | Eh, it's a non-issue |
| 04:22.04 | bluspacecow | whatever shall those poor police/ambo etc etc do :P |
| 04:22.12 | TC-work | the website didnt |
| 04:22.43 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: the client didn't |
| 04:22.45 | Arrowmaster | website is slow for me |
| 04:22.48 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: I just made a purchase on it |
| 04:22.54 | Arrowmaster | damn limbo didnt win |
| 04:22.58 | TC-work | So it's Iriel's fault? |
| 04:23.13 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 04:23.19 | TC-work | As a side note, all of the votes now are meh imo |
| 04:23.25 | Cairenn|afk | (at Wisconsin being closed) |
| 04:23.30 | TC-work | the current ones that is |
| 04:23.51 | Iriel | Waking mars was interesting enough on the iPad |
| 04:23.56 | Arrowmaster | i already have waking mars so dont vote for it |
| 04:24.07 | TC-work | I'm not voting for any |
| 04:24.09 | kd3 | bah |
| 04:24.09 | TC-work | blech |
| 04:24.12 | kd3 | I miss hotel internet |
| 04:24.26 | kd3 | watches his steam download chug along sloooooowly |
| 04:24.33 | TC-work | Well, once youj move you will have a legit conneciton |
| 04:24.36 | TC-work | connection* |
| 04:24.38 | TC-work | you* |
| 04:24.39 | kd3 | ya |
| 04:24.40 | TC-work | *sigh* |
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| 04:25.16 | Arrowmaster | kd3: does the starbucks have a better net connection then you? |
| 04:25.41 | kd3 | at (ex)werk? probably. I never actually ran any speed tests on it |
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| 04:27.10 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster: limbo is good but too short anyway |
| 04:27.28 | Arrowmaster | it was the only one of the last 3 that i didnt already own |
| 04:27.35 | Dagmar | Probably the bigger reason not to vote for Waking Mars is that it's *bad* |
| 04:28.05 | kd3 | hm. I need to fire up oblivion... I apparently missed some dlc |
| 04:28.07 | kd3 | http://i.imgur.com/vnh5l.jpg |
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| 04:28.52 | Iriel | kd3 that's quite some linguistic artistry there |
| 04:29.35 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 04:29.47 | kd3 | my first thought was 'xzibit', but then I realized it's on the shivering isles, the realm of the mad god |
| 04:29.53 | kd3 | everything's a bit... twisted... there |
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| 04:35.24 | Iriel | This is awesome: http://boingboing.net/2012/12/20/flaming-unicorns.html |
| 04:35.35 | nilyaK | sounds gay. |
| 04:36.13 | nilyaK | okay fine don't like my pun =/ |
| 04:36.29 | kd3 | in slightly more <sigh> news... boehner just gave up on plan b? |
| 04:38.12 | Iriel | kd3: well, the republican party did, and he followed, if i'm understanding this article correctly |
| 04:39.27 | bluspacecow | oh nice |
| 04:39.38 | bluspacecow | its tropically rainstorming here |
| 04:39.47 | bluspacecow | been so hot and humid over the last few days |
| 04:40.34 | Semlar | it's raining here too |
| 04:40.36 | bluspacecow | almost fat and heavy enough to take a shower in |
| 04:40.50 | bluspacecow | *grabs body wash and loofa* BRB |
| 04:40.53 | Arrowmaster | shut up, all of you |
| 04:41.06 | Arrowmaster | ive been hearing nothing but wind all fucking day |
| 04:41.10 | kd3 | I'm just glad it's above freezing |
| 04:41.13 | kd3 | we got an inch of rain today |
| 04:41.20 | Semlar | i have the AC on |
| 04:41.57 | Semlar | i guess i could turn it down and pretend like i'm farther north |
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| 04:42.30 | Arrowmaster | google tells me the local weather is 34°F, 28mph wind, 100% chance of precipitation and described as 'light snow' |
| 04:42.30 | karl_w_w | what's wrong with wind |
| 04:42.41 | Semlar | too windy |
| 04:42.50 | Arrowmaster | its loud |
| 04:43.03 | Semlar | do you live in a cave |
| 04:43.15 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:43.19 | Semlar | are you sure? |
| 04:43.25 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 04:43.46 | Neffi | Nobody likes being farted on, even if it's by the wind gods |
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| 04:50.39 | VIad | why is the unit GUID in CLEU 0x0... when SPELL_CAST_ events fire? :S |
| 04:51.26 | Semlar | so you can't figure out their target |
| 04:51.30 | VIad | hmm, this is a issue |
| 04:51.51 | Semlar | until they land |
| 04:51.57 | VIad | if the target is immune or can't be charmed by mind control, I wish to know who it is so I can log it |
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| 04:52.15 | VIad | atm I can't do this as the guid is not there on the fail events :/ |
| 04:52.32 | VIad | (mind you that the spell is a 2 sec cast and the error fires at the end) |
| 04:52.55 | Semlar | what do you mean |
| 04:53.08 | Semlar | it should fire a spell missed event or something |
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| 04:54.02 | VIad | if I cast mind control on a unit that I can't charm, it will cast the spell and CLEU will say SPELL_CAST_FAILED with missType SPELL_FAILED_CANT_BE_CHARMED |
| 04:54.14 | VIad | but I don't know who can't be charmed :P |
| 04:54.18 | VIad | since their GUID is 0x0 |
| 04:54.36 | VIad | in other words I can't have my addon write down in the log file "this mob is not charmable" :P |
| 04:54.42 | Semlar | bullshit |
| 04:54.47 | Semlar | because i did that in my addon |
| 04:54.57 | Semlar | i tracked every crowd control |
| 04:54.59 | VIad | I don't know what to say, semlar |
| 04:55.10 | Semlar | are you saying spell_missed doesn't fire |
| 04:55.16 | VIad | let me show you |
| 04:55.19 | VIad | it fires |
| 04:55.26 | VIad | but no GUID to figure out what mob |
| 04:55.33 | Semlar | uh |
| 04:55.55 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/jQuTa.jpg |
| 04:56.05 | Semlar | show me the spell missed |
| 04:56.09 | pompy | burps |
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| 04:57.03 | VIad | start -> failed |
| 04:57.08 | VIad | it only misses if the target is immune |
| 04:57.16 | VIad | failing doesn't get me in combat |
| 04:57.21 | VIad | but immune one is okay, that one has guid |
| 04:57.57 | Semlar | okay so you're just tracking this for your own character |
| 04:58.02 | VIad | yes |
| 04:58.04 | Semlar | since the spell never actually is cast |
| 04:58.13 | Semlar | then it should be pretty easy to figure out the target |
| 04:58.20 | VIad | what if it's a mouseover? |
| 04:58.24 | VIad | or target of target? e.g. |
| 04:58.40 | VIad | with macros this can get hard to track :( |
| 04:58.51 | karl_w_w | what about that unit spellcast failed event |
| 04:59.26 | VIad | "player", "Domiante Mind", "", 35, 605 |
| 04:59.30 | VIad | that's all |
| 04:59.37 | VIad | (the unit spellcast failed) |
| 04:59.51 | Neffi | can you hooksecurefunc('CastSpellByName')? |
| 04:59.51 | karl_w_w | hm |
| 04:59.59 | VIad | (same data as the unit spellcast stop event by the way) |
| 05:00.00 | Neffi | should get you the target |
| 05:00.01 | Semlar | i'm almost positive that you can get the target of a spell the player is casting but i don't know what it is off the top of my head |
| 05:00.26 | VIad | did a hooksecurefunc('CastSpellByName', print) |
| 05:00.43 | VIad | !Dominate Mind, nil |
| 05:01.09 | VIad | the nil becomes mouseover if I use /use [@mouseover] Dominate Mind |
| 05:01.19 | Neffi | nil = on target |
| 05:01.25 | VIad | I could use that to log my targets, good point |
| 05:01.34 | Neffi | or possibly on self if auto-selfcast is enabled |
| 05:01.34 | VIad | just weird that the CLEU don't just give me the GUID no? :P |
| 05:01.38 | VIad | bug or intentional? |
| 05:01.47 | Neffi | dunno |
| 05:01.53 | Iriel | I'm guessing is that by the time it's failed the code doesn't care |
| 05:01.59 | Iriel | so it wasn't "handy" |
| 05:02.03 | Semlar | the combat log doesn't give you the guid of a target for a spell with a cast time when it starts |
| 05:02.28 | Iriel | the spell system as a whole is a bit of a spiderweb |
| 05:02.40 | kd3 | bit? |
| 05:02.42 | Iriel | I eventually gave up making Aftercast work reliably for all classes |
| 05:02.43 | karl_w_w | so how does the game know a spell is being cast on you |
| 05:02.52 | Iriel | Though they did make some concessions later on |
| 05:02.54 | VIad | Semlar: but the spell event fires at the end of a 2 second cast |
| 05:02.59 | karl_w_w | like if u have no target and sum1 starts casting a spell at you, you target that person |
| 05:03.07 | Iriel | The problem is that there's a diffrence between what the SERVER is paying attention to, and what the CLIENT knows |
| 05:04.37 | pompy | karl_w_w: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=540699739293362&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 |
| 05:04.42 | Iriel | The client doesn't generally need to know who you TRIED to cast it on, it just needs to give you a failure feedback |
| 05:05.05 | karl_w_w | lol pompy |
| 05:05.20 | VIad | just shame Iriel since the guid parameter is there, just set to 0x0 :P |
| 05:05.35 | Iriel | I suspect that's equivalent to "not there" |
| 05:05.45 | karl_w_w | as if there are that many lights in perth! |
| 05:05.52 | Semlar | well, technically there isn't a target |
| 05:06.13 | Semlar | it's alerting you that your spell cast failed |
| 05:06.44 | Semlar | not that your spell missed, for example |
| 05:07.19 | VIad | just one thing hooking CastSpellByName, when I keep trying to cast and it fails it still fires |
| 05:07.51 | VIad | meaning I should only store the information that the API gives me after a _INTERRUPTED (i.e. I moved or canceled last cast, then it can log next hook for my target) |
| 05:07.58 | VIad | kind of confusing lol |
| 05:08.52 | Semlar | also the unit_spellcast events appear to have your target in them |
| 05:09.20 | Semlar | even if it's just their name you could loop through the possible targets to get their guid |
| 05:09.31 | Semlar | assuming you're just trying to get the npc id |
| 05:09.50 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT |
| 05:14.06 | Semlar | does that event fire or does it fail even before that |
| 05:14.12 | VIad | I have it so the hook only stores the guid if the local variable is nil but never writes over an old value :) |
| 05:14.39 | VIad | and my _INTERRUPTED will clear it in cases I cancel it, it fires always unless it succeeds |
| 05:15.03 | VIad | and my CLEU when it _FAILED will always clear the last stored guid, tested it a bit and seems to work fine :D |
| 05:15.22 | VIad | hmm |
| 05:15.25 | VIad | let me check if spellcast sent :P |
| 05:15.47 | VIad | it returns the npc name |
| 05:15.50 | VIad | sadly no guid :( |
| 05:15.52 | VIad | _SENT that is |
| 05:15.57 | Semlar | i told you how to get it |
| 05:16.55 | Semlar | you could also just pull it out of the combat log |
| 05:17.03 | Semlar | from another event |
| 05:17.17 | Semlar | i guess that wouldn't work if you weren't actually fighting them |
| 05:17.31 | Semlar | but odds are you target or mouse over them at some point |
| 05:19.04 | Semlar | at any rate it's a crappy method for this |
| 05:20.50 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/TlizN.jpg best postal code ever |
| 05:20.57 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
| 05:22.53 | VIad | Semlar: this is weird lol, is it me or RegisterUnitEvent don't like UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT? |
| 05:23.11 | Semlar | i don't know, i have never used registerunitevent |
| 05:23.17 | Semlar | and that event only fires for you |
| 05:23.24 | Semlar | so it doesn't really matter |
| 05:24.07 | VIad | note to self: RegisterUnitEvent won't work with UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT |
| 05:24.13 | VIad | even if IsEventRegistered firest 1 :P |
| 05:24.16 | VIad | returns* |
| 05:28.35 | Semlar | ah, try hooking UseAction |
| 05:28.51 | Semlar | that's why i do for my sparkley action button script |
| 05:29.05 | Semlar | it gives you the target |
| 05:30.59 | Semlar | why does the game even let you attempt to cast the spell if it fails before it even starts |
| 05:31.08 | Semlar | shouldn't it just mark it as unusable |
| 05:34.45 | Semlar | i guess the game doesn't really do that |
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| 05:39.48 | VIad | don't know why it doesn't :P |
| 05:39.56 | Semlar | it really ought to |
| 05:40.14 | Semlar | just grey out unusable spells |
| 05:40.19 | VIad | yeah |
| 05:40.40 | VIad | I guess they want to keep you in suspense before telling you that the mob is immune or can't be charmed :P |
| 05:41.01 | VIad | btw Semlar, since we got a good thing going on here, got any ideas if you can get displayID from a unit ingame? |
| 05:41.15 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it can't be done |
| 05:41.19 | pompy | Arrowmaster: i guess you did not uninstall DoD |
| 05:41.20 | VIad | :( |
| 05:41.31 | Semlar | i tried.. a lot of different ways a while back |
| 05:41.49 | VIad | I got the creatureID but I can't use the texture portrait feature to generate icons using it :( must be displayID |
| 05:42.08 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/RvZSJ.jpg |
| 05:42.24 | VIad | would be nicer with better textures :P |
| 05:42.31 | Semlar | well you have a couple options |
| 05:42.40 | Semlar | either use 3d models with a portrait zoom |
| 05:42.41 | VIad | using 3d model is one |
| 05:42.56 | Semlar | or make the icon meaningful |
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| 05:43.07 | Semlar | like, provide some sort of information |
| 05:43.34 | VIad | it would be neat if the model widgets had an option to generate texture like output :P |
| 05:43.35 | VIad | just saying |
| 05:44.08 | VIad | like a model:BakeTexture() that returns the Texture object that will look exactly like what you made the model look, hehe |
| 05:44.10 | Semlar | i don't actually think the 2d portraits really add that much so i would go for something else anyway |
| 05:45.20 | Semlar | a lot of them aren't very good shots of the mob |
| 05:46.35 | VIad | jupp - that's why having the model widget making a texture object would be awesome :D |
| 05:46.40 | VIad | since you can set it up how ever you like hehe |
| 05:47.29 | Semlar | my pokedex thing didn't use icons at all for the list of mobs |
| 05:49.08 | VIad | ye I know |
| 05:50.20 | Semlar | it did use their portraits to show them in combat though |
| 05:51.35 | Semlar | one other artistically stylish way to display it is to just stretch the portrait view across the back of their names |
| 05:52.09 | Semlar | so you get kind of a closeup of their facial region |
| 05:52.56 | Semlar | that way you get some idea of what they look like without replacing the icon with their model |
| 05:53.38 | Semlar | i'm also fairly sure you can stop a model from animating |
| 05:53.52 | Semlar | which would be practically the same thing as rendering it a texture |
| 05:54.16 | Semlar | it MIGHT require telling it to play the same frame over and over again, it's been a while since i've done it |
| 05:56.13 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: you about? |
| 06:00.56 | Semlar | vlad this is a horrible example but something like DressUpModel:SetPortraitZoom(1) DressUpModel:SetScript('OnUpdateModel', function(self) self:SetSequenceTime(2,1) end) |
| 06:01.22 | Semlar | you might have to play with which sequence it uses |
| 06:01.45 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.08 | Neffi | there's no pause? |
| 06:02.21 | Semlar | not that i remember |
| 06:02.32 | Semlar | there are some sequences where the model just does nothing though |
| 06:03.02 | Semlar | i made a huge list of what each number represented and it's probably gone forever |
| 06:04.45 | Semlar | i could also never get SetSequence to do anything, i'm not sure what it's for |
| 06:05.57 | Semlar | i do appear to have permanently broken my dressupmodel though, reloading hasn't stopped it from twitching |
| 06:05.58 | VIad | Semlar: http://i.imgur.com/DDpFI.jpg |
| 06:06.03 | VIad | lol :D |
| 06:06.11 | VIad | I use PlayerModel, found the DressUpModel to be buggy |
| 06:06.32 | VIad | I think it's heavily modified to only work properly for dressing up stuff on yourself, not sure if they intended it to be used for other purposes |
| 06:06.40 | Semlar | if i remember correctly you have to use one or the other if you want to support all of the creatures |
| 06:06.51 | Semlar | i could have sworn the dressupmodel was mandatory |
| 06:07.20 | Semlar | because some of the humanoids use gear or something |
| 06:07.31 | VIad | yeah that can be a factor |
| 06:08.27 | VIad | wish blizzard added spell numbers to the tooltips |
| 06:08.37 | Semlar | well that's why i added my own |
| 06:08.38 | VIad | "Hurls a bolt of fel energies at the target, inflicting Fire damage." |
| 06:08.49 | VIad | spell 131390 |
| 06:08.54 | Semlar | it's even in this http://www.curseforge.com/media/images/19/155/bestiary_screeny1.jpg and that screenshot is from yeeeeeeears ago |
| 06:09.00 | VIad | should say the damage and factor in the mob spellpower |
| 06:09.27 | Semlar | or do you mean the exact damage |
| 06:09.27 | VIad | hehe |
| 06:09.32 | VIad | exact |
| 06:09.33 | Semlar | because that's not going to happen |
| 06:09.42 | VIad | an idea |
| 06:09.43 | Semlar | although i did record the average damage from the combat log events |
| 06:09.51 | VIad | spell:131390:magic? |
| 06:09.52 | Semlar | i never ACTUALLY used it |
| 06:09.55 | VIad | i.e. spellpower :P |
| 06:10.17 | VIad | so when you fight a mob it would apply it's spellpower to the link so the client and addons can display the proper damage numbers or something |
| 06:10.30 | VIad | or just bake it like spell scaling and just show us the final result don't know |
| 06:10.35 | VIad | but it can be done I am sure |
| 06:11.13 | Semlar | i was going to make it try and tell you which mob you were fighting was the most dangerous |
| 06:12.11 | Semlar | oh yeah! i was also going to classify them |
| 06:12.15 | Semlar | i had this whole thing planned out |
| 06:12.30 | VIad | damage can be done if blizzard appends the spellpower or attackpower on the hyperlinks :) |
| 06:12.51 | Semlar | it was going to look through their spells and see what they cast and identify them as like a frost mage or hunter or melee/warrior you know |
| 06:12.59 | pompy | karl_w_w: aaand http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=479584812107596&set=a.268489309883815.67691.268330443233035&type=1 |
| 06:13.02 | VIad | yeah |
| 06:13.03 | Semlar | it was all very intricate |
| 06:13.42 | VIad | I find hyperlinks for spells to underused :P |
| 06:13.43 | Arrowmaster | pompy: no i didnt, ill regret this later |
| 06:14.02 | VIad | items got lots of info in theirs, why not mob spells? :P |
| 06:14.25 | Semlar | i think we should count ourselves lucky that mob spells have tooltips |
| 06:15.00 | Semlar | because they really aren't used by the interface except like in the encounter journal which is relatively recent |
| 06:15.08 | VIad | when it says "Inflicts Fire damage to the target." does it really mater? :p |
| 06:15.14 | Semlar | yes |
| 06:15.20 | VIad | also the EJ uses custom entries not the spell tooltips :P |
| 06:15.35 | Semlar | because i was actually scanning the tooltips for extra information about the spell |
| 06:16.00 | VIad | also Semlar I wonder what will happen since blizzard try to add the old encounters in the EJ too |
| 06:16.08 | VIad | most old spells have no details of damage, heal values, e.g. |
| 06:16.33 | VIad | so they'd have to rewrite a lot of spell descriptions, or if they just make custom EJ entries and don't touch the spells :P |
| 06:18.45 | Semlar | i had another feature for it called Forecast that predicted what spell the mob was about to cast and when |
| 06:19.26 | Semlar | so you could sort of predict incoming damage |
| 06:19.38 | VIad | sounds like a lot of maintenance |
| 06:19.39 | Semlar | get warnings about important spells |
| 06:19.45 | Semlar | maintenance? |
| 06:19.49 | Semlar | this was all automatic |
| 06:20.10 | Semlar | the addon learned everything from watching the combat log |
| 06:20.18 | VIad | I mean exceptions list |
| 06:20.29 | Semlar | there were no exceptions |
| 06:20.32 | VIad | many special mobs cast based on events or actions :P |
| 06:20.44 | VIad | i.e. spell X is only cast if you interrupt the spell, or get out of range, e.g. |
| 06:20.58 | Semlar | you'd be surprised how predictable it is anyway |
| 06:21.00 | VIad | not to mention if big combat like Alterac Valley lots of spells being sent trough CLEU :D |
| 06:21.15 | VIad | sounds interesting tough |
| 06:21.29 | Semlar | it's not like the encounter changes that much every time you do it |
| 06:21.52 | kd3 | most of the time, that is |
| 06:21.56 | VIad | what about Sha for instance, applies Trash to himself each 4th hit |
| 06:22.02 | Semlar | so even if it's based on something like the mob's health, you can get a reasonable estimate from other events |
| 06:22.12 | VIad | sometimes he can be delayed by casting other stuff, so the buff is pushed back a little :3 |
| 06:22.29 | Semlar | doesn't matter, it's not like it has to be exact |
| 06:22.35 | Semlar | you don't think DBM is |
| 06:22.51 | Semlar | there are factors you can't account for |
| 06:23.04 | VIad | jupp |
| 06:23.09 | Semlar | it's just to give you an idea of what's about to happen |
| 06:23.35 | Semlar | it worked in pvp too |
| 06:23.59 | Semlar | because it worked by watching a unit's rotation |
| 06:24.09 | VIad | :D |
| 06:24.27 | Semlar | obviously they can change it up but usually they have a set of spells they use one after the other |
| 06:24.37 | Semlar | so it's somewhat predictable |
| 06:24.37 | VIad | what is the name of your addon? |
| 06:24.57 | Semlar | it was bestiary but that's not in it on the version on curse |
| 06:25.29 | Semlar | i stopped updating it because someone pointed out that this http://www.wowace.com/addons/mob-spells/ already existed |
| 06:25.59 | VIad | but yours predicted stuff |
| 06:26.01 | VIad | :P |
| 06:26.06 | Semlar | mine was so much more than that |
| 06:26.19 | Semlar | the ability to see what i was in combat with was incredibly useful |
| 06:26.21 | VIad | perhaps modules would be nice |
| 06:27.46 | Semlar | another feature was tracking how much health everything you were fighting had and attempted to give you an estimated time until combat ended |
| 06:28.29 | Semlar | that was really quite complicated because you don't always have a unit id of everything you're in combat with |
| 06:29.29 | Semlar | i was storing health information in the mob database and tracking how much damage/healing had been observed done to them |
| 06:29.53 | Semlar | and then adjusting it once you got an actual unit id from someone targeting them or something |
| 06:31.06 | VIad | update it, make modules, ship it |
| 06:31.16 | Semlar | too much work |
| 06:31.16 | VIad | it can be popular :3 |
| 06:31.22 | VIad | true :( |
| 06:31.45 | Semlar | maybe if i still played |
| 06:33.59 | Semlar | i like the icons you had before more than their actual portraits |
| 06:34.58 | VIad | be glad you don't play Semlar |
| 06:35.08 | VIad | Attention as a non-dps spec |
| 06:35.10 | VIad | (quest) |
| 06:35.21 | VIad | destroy punchin bag with 2.37 mil hp :P |
| 06:35.32 | VIad | if you don't kill it properly you fail the quest objectives |
| 06:35.39 | VIad | soooo loong |
| 06:35.55 | Semlar | my druid brought the pain |
| 06:36.35 | Semlar | i was basically tanking in full dps gear |
| 06:38.27 | Semlar | plus i was a pimp http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/slowest/simple |
| 06:39.26 | Semlar | that darkmoon cape is the shit |
| 06:40.24 | VIad | lol :P |
| 06:40.29 | VIad | darkmoon cape is shit idd |
| 06:40.53 | VIad | 4 hour cooldown teleport to SW right? |
| 06:41.06 | Jamash | guys |
| 06:41.07 | Jamash | hey |
| 06:41.08 | Semlar | it's jut for looks |
| 06:41.09 | Jamash | hey guys |
| 06:41.11 | Jamash | guys, hey |
| 06:41.14 | Jamash | has the world ended yet? |
| 06:41.20 | Semlar | hang on, let me check |
| 06:41.26 | Semlar | no |
| 06:41.27 | VIad | still here |
| 06:41.38 | Semlar | although it is raining |
| 06:41.46 | VIad | I guess we won't be dying virgins after all |
| 06:41.50 | Semlar | speak for yourself |
| 06:41.55 | Jamash | speak for... damn it |
| 06:42.10 | Semlar | >_> |
| 06:42.24 | VIad | <_< |
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| 06:44.43 | Jamash | is there druid tanking gear? |
| 06:44.52 | Jamash | I kinda thought druids tanked in dps gear |
| 06:45.14 | Semlar | sort of |
| 06:45.16 | Jamash | well I guess there's jewelry slots |
| 06:45.26 | Semlar | they usually don't gem and enchant for just dps |
| 06:45.30 | Jamash | yeah |
| 06:45.32 | Semlar | and trinkets |
| 06:45.38 | Jamash | trinkets are jewelry |
| 06:45.49 | Semlar | i played as an offtank |
| 06:45.54 | Jamash | if you look at the background texture in the character sheet they're actually earrings |
| 06:46.11 | Semlar | and specced and geared only in ways that would benefit both specs |
| 06:46.15 | Jamash | ah |
| 06:46.35 | Semlar | so when there was a tank swap i'd just shift out and dps |
| 06:46.56 | Jamash | cat is for fite |
| 06:47.21 | Semlar | i wouldn't have replaced a good dps but i would keep up with them, actually the people i usually played with i would out damage but that's not a very good example |
| 06:47.50 | Semlar | and berserk with 3 targets in bear form? no contest |
| 06:48.13 | Semlar | i would do multiple times more damage than anyone else |
| 06:48.22 | Semlar | that was overpowered |
| 06:48.29 | Jamash | rawr |
| 07:08.26 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: ping |
| 07:08.42 | pompy | Torhal: goto bed |
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| 07:19.37 | Torhal | pompy: Nein. |
| 07:23.30 | VIad | rofl look what I found, Semlar |
| 07:23.44 | VIad | http://i.imgur.com/fBat8.jpg |
| 07:23.59 | VIad | some Pearfin Jinyu mobs attacked by like 20-30 guards :P |
| 07:24.31 | Semlar | that font makes its name look like MUCKFUCK |
| 07:25.20 | VIad | :D |
| 07:27.36 | VIad | funny situation |
| 07:32.46 | VIad | using MC sometimes makes me DC :s weird, new thing since 5.1 :P |
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| 08:20.46 | Shirik | my head just exploded |
| 08:21.16 | Shirik | anyone here a language design guru? Microsoft's C++ compiler occasionally has a few extensions that are kinda nice, but this one is throwing my head for a loop |
| 08:21.19 | Shirik | primeregistrationtest.cpp(6): warning C4200: nonstandard extension used : zero-sized array in struct/union |
| 08:21.25 | Shirik | what the heck could this possibly be useful for? |
| 08:22.32 | Dagmar | Making sure the security team has plenty to do. |
| 08:23.11 | Iriel | Shirik: Possibly giving you an address by which you can access the rest of the struct as if it were an address of something else? |
| 08:23.27 | Shirik | hm maybe |
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| 08:41.43 | nevcairiel | people sometimes use it to cheat, make it the last member of a struct, then allocate the struct with extra memory, and then use that member to access the extra memory - basically a dyanmic memory block without extra indirection |
| 08:42.08 | nevcairiel | its not particularly clean |
| 08:43.12 | nevcairiel | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/98409 |
| 08:43.19 | nevcairiel | this KB explains it pretty well, i guess |
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| 08:57.37 | zenzio | couple of questions on Stack Overflow suggest the C++ compiler is dubious about it because the default copy constructor and assignment operators won't necessarily work correctly |
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| 09:36.36 | Shirik | zenzio: My intent was not to ask why the compiler was warning me |
| 09:36.43 | Shirik | It was "why does the compiler even allow this" |
| 09:37.00 | Dagmar | To keep the security team busy. |
| 09:37.09 | zenzio | if you're going to ask that then you have lots of other instances to ask about too |
| 09:37.18 | Shirik | sure |
| 09:37.34 | Shirik | right now I'm trying to implement a compile-time counter |
| 09:37.37 | Shirik | and failing miserably |
| 09:37.47 | zenzio | how come? |
| 09:37.54 | zenzio | (why are you trying to) |
| 09:38.00 | Shirik | so I have a template class |
| 09:38.11 | Shirik | each instance of that template class needs to have a unique ID that is a prime number |
| 09:38.21 | Shirik | at compile time |
| 09:38.31 | Shirik | so I need to count up the prime number list |
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| 09:38.37 | Jamash | pick a number between 1 and 540 |
| 09:38.39 | zenzio | a prime? |
| 09:38.46 | Shirik | yeah, that part is easy though |
| 09:38.50 | Shirik | I can just build a map of index to prime |
| 09:38.56 | Shirik | the hard part is figuring out what the index is |
| 09:38.58 | Jamash | you're doing it wrong |
| 09:39.00 | zenzio | I trust you have your reasons, but it sounds peculiar |
| 09:39.20 | Fisker | hugs Shirik |
| 09:39.31 | foxlit | He's reimplementing Lisp. In C++. Badly. |
| 09:39.39 | Jamash | ^ |
| 09:39.47 | zenzio | lol |
| 09:40.33 | Shirik | This is an ongoing project I'm working on, it's a very complicated scenario it would take days to talk about all the nuances of it. But suffice to say I'm trying to create a compile time "set" |
| 09:40.38 | Shirik | like a list of numbers |
| 09:40.50 | Shirik | and I need to be able to tell if the set is the same on two types |
| 09:41.07 | Shirik | unfortunately variadic templates are not at my disposal or this would be easy |
| 09:41.07 | Jamash | the moment you say "a compile time <blank>" in C++ I can tell you that the answer is you're doing it wrong |
| 09:41.08 | Fisker | cries |
| 09:41.35 | Jamash | or more specifically, you shouldn't be doing that at all |
| 09:42.17 | Jamash | <@Shirik> each instance of that template class needs to have a unique ID that is a prime number |
| 09:42.31 | Jamash | there is no possible good reason you could have for doing that |
| 09:42.36 | Shirik | I love how every time I ever say anything about C++, Jamash's immediate response is "that's wrong"; it doesn't even matter what I'm doing or anything. In fact, this doesn't even implement functional code, it's entirely a check on the developer. But naturally I must be doing it wrong. I am amazed of the mind readers we have in this channel |
| 09:42.42 | Shirik | But no |
| 09:42.46 | Shirik | I have no idea what I'm doing |
| 09:42.48 | Shirik | you're right |
| 09:42.58 | Jamash | it's not whether you have any idea what you're doing |
| 09:43.13 | Jamash | it's whether you have any idea what a compiler is for |
| 09:43.25 | Shirik | and you don't even know what the result of my product is |
| 09:43.30 | Shirik | it's not even code at all |
| 09:43.32 | Jamash | doesn't matter |
| 09:43.34 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 09:43.37 | Jamash | no it doesn't |
| 09:43.37 | Shirik | because you're full of shit |
| 09:43.48 | Shirik | and now you're trying to defend yourself because you realize that you have no idea what I'm talking about |
| 09:43.50 | Jamash | I'm full of delicious candy |
| 09:43.57 | Jamash | bite me and see |
| 09:44.46 | Maldivia | full of delicious candy... piñata? |
| 09:44.49 | Jamash | I'm not trying to defend myself, I'm trying to annoy you enough that you stop tracking C++ all over this nice clean channel |
| 09:45.01 | Shirik | it's far easier to put you on ignore |
| 09:45.04 | zenzio | nice, clean? o_O |
| 09:45.11 | Jamash | comparatively |
| 09:45.15 | Shirik | there are sufficient helpful people without you |
| 09:45.16 | Jamash | you don't want to know where C++ has been |
| 09:45.17 | Maldivia | zenzio: agree :) |
| 09:45.24 | zenzio | considering the crowd in here, I don't find it an unreasonable place to ask about C++ |
| 09:45.34 | Jamash | he never asks about C++ though |
| 09:45.49 | Jamash | he always asks "how can I abuse the template compiler to do X" |
| 09:46.06 | Jamash | doctor, doctor it hurts when I do this |
| 09:46.09 | Jamash | well, stop doing that |
| 09:46.23 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 09:46.25 | Maldivia | "no pain, no gain" ? |
| 09:46.28 | Shirik | maybe that's because I know a shit ton about C++ and that's the area I'm working in that's giving me trouble? |
| 09:46.30 | Fisker | did it make you feel good to see me suffer? |
| 09:46.36 | Shirik | What's the point about asking about things I know? |
| 09:46.39 | Jamash | just because the C++ template compiler is turing complete does not mean that you should use it for general purpose programming |
| 09:46.50 | Shirik | It's not even fucking programming dude, that's what I'm saying |
| 09:46.53 | Shirik | you don't even know what I'm doing |
| 09:47.04 | Shirik | so stop complaining about "I'm abusing the compiler" and either be helpful or shut up |
| 09:47.07 | Jamash | you're abusing the template compiler, aren't you? |
| 09:47.55 | Jamash | you're trying to build a compile time map from natural numbers to primes so that you can assign them to instances of a template class |
| 09:48.06 | Jamash | if that isn't abusing the template compiler I don't know what is |
| 09:48.32 | zenzio | http://catmacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/thread_cannot_be_saved_by_kittens.jpg |
| 09:48.36 | Shirik | a = b is abusing the assignment operator |
| 09:48.40 | Maldivia | Shirik: I thought you found a solution for it a month or so ago, when you were tinkering with it back thne? |
| 09:48.48 | Jamash | see now if you said what you were trying to accomplish instead of asking how you can use your staple gun to tighten hex screws maybe someone could help you |
| 09:50.14 | Shirik | Maldivia: I've resolved various issues but this one actually just came up today. The idea is if I'm given 3 types, how can I guarantee those 3 types are the same, no matter what order they're in? But this has to work for any number of types. The solution I came up with is assigning a prime number to each type, and then multiplying them together. A unique value will always be reached that is |
| 09:50.15 | Shirik | commutative. |
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| 09:50.33 | Jamash | lololololololololololololol |
| 09:51.52 | Zootfizzle | lololol |
| 09:51.58 | Jamash | hi zoot |
| 09:52.02 | Zootfizzle | Heya :) |
| 09:55.31 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJl8dRZWSeA looks fun, buying |
| 09:55.38 | karl_w_w | and i dont care what Fisker says |
| 09:56.35 | Fisker | sry karl_w_w |
| 09:56.37 | Fisker | said the same thing |
| 09:56.39 | Fisker | you dumb fuck |
| 09:56.46 | Fisker | hey Zootfizzle |
| 09:56.49 | Fisker | Shirik is a jerk btw |
| 09:56.52 | Fisker | don't trust him |
| 09:58.32 | karl_w_w | i love Shirik with all my fheart |
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| 10:21.47 | karl_w_w | potential signs people take this world ending thing seriously: when i was out today there was a girl wearing what can only be described as hot pants made out of lace, and a thong |
| 10:22.49 | karl_w_w | she had a nice butt, but you dont expect to see it at a shopping centre |
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| 10:33.59 | mckenziemc | problem karl_w_w? |
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| 10:39.50 | karl_w_w | not really :P |
| 10:41.31 | chiel | what a ball ache |
| 10:41.36 | chiel | i left my irssi open at home |
| 10:41.40 | chiel | in a screen on my server |
| 10:41.46 | chiel | so now it looks all weird here :p |
| 10:41.58 | chiel | i need to figure out how to disconnect other clients from the screen |
| 10:42.49 | chiel | aaha! |
| 10:42.51 | chiel | got it |
| 10:42.52 | chiel | :D |
| 10:42.55 | haste | screen -dr |
| 10:43.02 | haste | also, tmux is superior on that regard |
| 10:43.12 | Shirik | init 6 |
| 10:43.19 | Humbedooh | kill -9! |
| 10:43.22 | chiel | yeah, i did screen -dr :) |
| 10:43.30 | chiel | haste: never used tmux |
| 10:43.44 | chiel | and my irc client is all i use it for so i'm generally not too fussed :p |
| 10:48.31 | Zootfizzle | Hi Fisker and Shirik and everybody else :) |
| 10:48.40 | Shirik | hi |
| 10:48.43 | Shirik | I really should be asleep |
| 10:49.42 | chiel | Shirik: so sleep? :) |
| 10:49.49 | chiel | also, you sound like me |
| 10:49.51 | chiel | every day. |
| 10:49.52 | chiel | :p |
| 10:52.10 | Fisker | you shouldn't be a jerk Shirik |
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| 12:09.58 | Neffi | Nagrand is such an awesome zone |
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| 12:19.21 | zenzio | Neffi: in what way? |
| 12:19.36 | zenzio | I did like Nagrand, but it was the zone that felt least "Outlandish" to me |
| 12:20.06 | Neffi | it's surprisingly enjoyable |
| 12:21.22 | foxlit | there's like one good quest chain there |
| 12:22.08 | Neffi | quest-wide |
| 12:22.16 | Neffi | Meh |
| 12:22.36 | Neffi | The quests are well laid out. Easy to group them up efficiently. None of them feel painful like a lot of other zones' quests. |
| 12:22.42 | zenzio | truth be told, I think Outland was my favourite expansion continent. Some zones in Northrend were better than some in Outland, but overall I preferred Outland. Pandaria, while very well made, just didn't work for me |
| 12:22.49 | Neffi | It's pleasant coming from Hellfire Peninsula |
| 12:23.00 | foxlit | green fields and blue skies fix everything |
| 12:23.05 | Neffi | that too |
| 12:23.13 | foxlit | Elwynn, Hinterlands, Mulgore, etc. |
| 12:23.20 | Neffi | But Pandaria is my favorite |
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| 12:23.36 | Neffi | At least the early zones. Once you hit ~86-87, Pandaria fucking sucks |
| 12:23.47 | Neffi | err, 87-88 |
| 12:23.54 | zenzio | foxlit: generally I agree with that, but Outland, being a world on the cusp of dying, didn't feel like a real place for such a zone |
| 12:24.04 | Neffi | I don't remember exactly. Whenever Townlong and Dread Wastes are your main questing zones. They suck. |
| 12:24.50 | foxlit | Really? Personally, I thought Kun-Lai was probably the worst |
| 12:25.50 | foxlit | It feels too compressed -- you're jumping from one radically different hub to another with rather questionable progression of story. |
| 12:26.09 | Neffi | Kun'lai felt like it never ended, but I was really drunk both times I did it and managed to finish it before sobering up, so it was hard to find it annoying |
| 12:26.26 | Neffi | I really liked the first zone though |
| 12:26.47 | Neffi | and Kasarang, for some strange reason |
| 12:28.02 | zenzio | "padding: 0.8751em;"... |
| 12:28.45 | foxlit | 16->14 point text, zenzio. |
| 12:29.14 | foxlit | seems to be the right ratio, at least. |
| 12:29.24 | Neffi | it's .0001 too high for that |
| 12:29.30 | Neffi | =P |
| 12:29.52 | zenzio | foxlit: perhaps, but only time I've ever seen someone specify something so accurate in a .css file |
| 12:32.19 | Neffi | Maybe they're new to CSS and thought "em" was more professional than "px", but was trying hard to get pixel-perfection |
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| 12:35.42 | stuf | em is better for responsive, generally, but.. eh |
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| 14:02.30 | zenzio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q2P4LjuVA8 |
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| 14:33.27 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: http://www.commissionedcomic.com/?p=5690 |
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| 15:18.26 | VIad | !lua local I for I,_ in ipairs({1,2,3})do end print(I) |
| 15:18.26 | batbot | VIad: nil |
| 15:18.29 | VIad | :( |
| 15:20.19 | Lopeppeppy | Nice, alestane. Moose did that "rest her head until your arm goes to sleep" thing last night during TV cuddle time. |
| 15:20.45 | karl_w_w | moose? really? |
| 15:20.55 | alestane | 'Cuase she isn't one. |
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| 15:21.00 | alestane | 'cause* |
| 15:21.12 | g0urra | because* |
| 15:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | She's about 2 pounds overweight, but she's not a big cat by any means. :) |
| 15:22.00 | alestane | VIad, a for loop creates its own local variable that eclipses any other variables with that name inside the loop's scope. |
| 15:22.28 | VIad | yes, that's why I had to test, was a bit sceptical :p |
| 15:25.27 | VIad | damn I got a extra "end" somewhere |
| 15:25.40 | VIad | the code doesn't collapse properly when I fold it :P |
| 15:27.08 | VIad | any tips when that happens and you can't seem to find that extra "end"? :P |
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| 15:28.56 | VIad | found it |
| 15:29.04 | VIad | had an "then" instead of "do" and all hell broke loose |
| 15:32.00 | alestane | Her name's actually Kendra Sue, karl_w_w. "Moose" is just something to call her. |
| 15:32.24 | karl_w_w | a name is something to call her |
| 15:32.28 | alestane | A cat must have three different names, after all. |
| 15:33.35 | karl_w_w | somehow forge got voted over miasmata |
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| 15:35.54 | VIad | !lua local t={"A"} setmetatable(t,{A=true, B=function(...)print(...)end}) t:B("test") |
| 15:35.55 | batbot | VIad: @ [string "local t={"A"} setmetatable(t,{A=true, B=fun..."]:1: attempt to call method 'B' (a nil value) |
| 15:39.21 | VIad | if I load my lua files using a xml file in toc |
| 15:39.29 | VIad | will the "..." part be passed on? |
| 15:39.37 | VIad | addonName, namespace = ... ? |
| 15:40.16 | Maldivia | try and see |
| 15:40.23 | Maldivia | (but it should) |
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| 15:43.01 | VIad | trying, just hope it works, so I don't have to reload the game if I wanna disable a lua/xml file :P |
| 15:43.38 | Maldivia | can always just add a "return" as the first line in the lua file to disable it :P |
| 15:44.41 | VIad | if 1 then return end -- wouldn't just "return" error? ;) |
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| 15:46.43 | VIad | jupp seems to work that way, nice |
| 15:46.45 | Unkle | That's great, it starts with an earthquake... |
| 15:47.32 | Maldivia | birds and snakes and aeroplanes |
| 15:47.57 | Unkle | Lenny Bruce is not afraid |
| 15:48.27 | Lopeppeppy | Did you seriously get an earthquake on Apocalypso Friday? |
| 15:48.37 | Maldivia | Unkle: https://twitter.com/bendefeo/status/281634928259653633/photo/1 |
| 15:49.18 | Unkle | No, No earthquake. And Maldivia I saw that yesterday and laughed so hard I thought I'd break something. |
| 15:50.07 | Lopeppeppy | Earthquakes and lightning would be hilarious. |
| 15:50.33 | Unkle | All I got is rain, maybe some thunder later. |
| 15:51.32 | Lopeppeppy | We'll have an ice storm soon enough. |
| 15:52.30 | Unkle | Bundle up, stuff the cat in bag and keep warm? |
| 15:52.43 | Lopeppeppy | Popcorn and rum drinks! |
| 15:54.20 | Unkle | Sounds like a plan. I'm going to drink a bottle of whiskey over the weekend, and once that's done, I've got 26 bottles of various wines that need a good seeing too... |
| 15:54.48 | Lopeppeppy | I have a new laptop to break in, a kitty, some DVDs. I'll be fine. |
| 15:55.36 | Unkle | New laptop? What did you get? |
| 15:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+Pavilion+15.6%26%2334%3B+Laptop+-+4GB+Memory+-+500GB+Hard+Drive+-+Sparkling+Black/7004371.p?id=1218820832399&skuId=7004371 |
| 15:58.06 | Unkle | Not bad, not bad at all. |
| 15:58.31 | Lopeppeppy | decent little guy. Old one was suffering red and black screens of video or motherboard death. |
| 15:58.53 | Unkle | That's been happening to people I know a lot lately. |
| 15:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | He was 6ish years old, and saw some hard use in the first 3. I'm not distressed. I got a last backup, all is well. |
| 16:00.30 | karl_w_w | bad news |
| 16:00.39 | Unkle | Most excellent. I've been debating building a new desktop box, but ... really, I think I could just get a new video card and some monitors instead. |
| 16:00.50 | karl_w_w | it's the 22nd and I am 100% as alive as I was 24 hours ago |
| 16:01.01 | alestane | I need a new(er) computer real soon. |
| 16:01.25 | Unkle | You still looking for a 64bit native mac? |
| 16:01.41 | alestane | Still limping along on this Core Solo Mini, and the software package which is currently my bread and butter ditched 32-bit support this summer. |
| 16:01.55 | alestane | I'm sure I can find one, Unkle, I've been looking for the money. |
| 16:02.03 | Lopeppeppy | New video card for a 6 year old laptop motherboard is more pain than it's worth. |
| 16:02.16 | karl_w_w | vidya* |
| 16:02.25 | Unkle | the new minis start at $600 |
| 16:02.25 | alestane | But I got my fifth draft chapter in this week, which should make me eligible for my first advance. |
| 16:02.53 | alestane | And I can get an adequate laptop off eBay for around $350. |
| 16:03.18 | alestane | It just needs to be 64-bit dual-core, nothing too demanding. |
| 16:03.20 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Most laptops are essentially upgradeable in only 2 places - HDD and RAM. |
| 16:03.53 | karl_w_w | oh my farming simulator 2013 is on sale, gotta snap that up! |
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| 16:05.50 | karl_w_w | really dont understand why anyone would play a farming sim game |
| 16:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, Unkle. And I have to work from home over break - I had no choice but to go shop the pre-XMas sales ASAP. |
| 16:06.19 | karl_w_w | because as the game approaches perfection, the thing you are doing approaches a full time job |
| 16:06.26 | karl_w_w | for no pay |
| 16:07.38 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: I totally get it. I was happy to snap up a used MBP a couple of months ago so I would have a mobile computer and a Mac in the house. |
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| 16:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | Major appliances know when you have a month with an extra paycheck. |
| 16:27.37 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.57 | foxlit | The Path chapters in Xenocide seem to be so mind-numbingly boring. |
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| 16:32.48 | mckenziemc | stupid tire chains |
| 16:32.53 | mckenziemc | now my clothes are all wet :( |
| 16:33.15 | Humbedooh | aaw |
| 16:33.55 | mckenziemc | covers Humbedooh with snow. |
| 16:34.25 | Humbedooh | ;O |
| 16:34.27 | Humbedooh | how evil |
| 16:34.53 | mckenziemc | alright i'll be nice |
| 16:34.57 | mckenziemc | thaws the snow. |
| 16:35.42 | mckenziemc | sorry, i can't afford thawing you too |
| 16:44.26 | Shirik | Any math gurus here? I had something of a revelation last night or really just a "wtf is going on here" moment. Does it make sense to say that matrix math is not algebraically closed? Like is there a "field of matrices"? It seems like a reasonable thing to do, maybe if you define the field as "All real two-by-two matrices" |
| 16:45.16 | Shirik | This is way past my comfort level in math so I could just be spouting nonsense right now |
| 16:45.39 | Arrowmaster | ive forgotten everything about matrix math |
| 16:45.55 | Shirik | this is more about abstract algebra than it is about math |
| 16:46.03 | Shirik | er, about matrix math |
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| 17:10.17 | Arrowmaster | ok thats weird, when i goto the limbo steam page it does not show the banner saying i already own it, but apparently i do |
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| 17:44.35 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/FjRha.jpg |
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| 17:46.38 | Unkle | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/12/game-of-dungeons-dragons-with-8-sci-fi-authors-auctioned-on-ebay/ |
| 17:47.41 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Seerah -> http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || So... when do the asteroids hit? |
| 17:49.28 | Unkle | Are we supposed to lay down with a paper bag over our head or something? |
| 17:50.06 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: they are missing the most important detail, WHAT VERSION?!? |
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| 17:50.42 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: Why does it matter? You're going to be playing a story game with some of the best living story-tellers. |
| 17:51.00 | karl_w_w | i have never heard of a single one of those authors |
| 17:52.14 | Unkle | Myke Cole's book came out last year and it's pretty good. |
| 17:52.59 | Unkle | Some of the others I've read articles by, but not their books. I've been remiss in keeping up with fiction lately. |
| 17:53.12 | karl_w_w | Q: Which version of D&D will be played? |
| 17:53.13 | karl_w_w | A: Pat says they'll be playing "straight AD&D". Sounds like Advanced Dungeons & Dragons from the late-80s/early-90s. |
| 17:55.04 | Unkle | The images from last year's game have photcopies of some AD&D sheets from the AD&D releases in the 80s/90s. - Almost all of which are available as re-issues. |
| 17:55.58 | Unkle | The map on the right-hand side envelop is from the "Keep on the Borederlands" module. |
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| 18:05.20 | Lopeppeppy | Reminds me, Unkle. I gave you three books. I remember Hob's Bargain, and the first were-coyote book. What was the third book? |
| 18:06.52 | Unkle | I'm drawing a blank on the name, Lopeppeppy. |
| 18:07.22 | Unkle | Dragon Blood |
| 18:07.33 | Unkle | Or something like that. |
| 18:08.43 | Unkle | Dragon Bones. That's it. :) (I looked up the author and a list of he novels) |
| 18:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, yes, the dragons. Good deal. I bought back the first two, but couldn't for the LIFE of me remember the third. The shop cat was not helpful in this either. |
| 18:15.19 | Unkle | Shop cats do not remember book titles. They remember sunbeams and ear scratches. |
| 18:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | Amber-cat draped herself on my shoulder and indicated that I should only browse books at chest height. Reaching and bending disturb a cat's balance. |
| 18:17.03 | Unkle | And then you got home and Moose was all "ANOTHER CAT? HOW COULD YOU?" |
| 18:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | She's smelled Ambercat and Bobcat before - I frequent this small bookstore a lot. She only gets hissy when I've visited the unfixed male cats of one particular friend. |
| 18:20.33 | pompy | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0096YOSDQ?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER thats quite the discount |
| 18:24.46 | karl_w_w | awww yeah new sim city is next year! |
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| 18:27.39 | karl_w_w | of course the one big problem with it "SimCity will require players to be logged into EA's Origin service to play the game, including when playing single player. An active internet connection will be required every time the game is launched and must be maintained throughout gameplay. [unless you pirate it]" |
| 18:28.28 | Seerah | same as with Diablo III |
| 18:30.19 | karl_w_w | and probably dozens of other games by now |
| 18:30.23 | Arrowmaster | except d3 has a good reason |
| 18:31.42 | karl_w_w | yeah, the devs were too lazy and/or money-hungry to put in a seperate solo mode |
| 18:31.45 | Corrodias | dozens, no |
| 18:31.54 | Corrodias | ubisoft published a few, and recently decided to stop doing that |
| 18:32.16 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/hyperxcommunity/posts/532584543426250 |
| 18:33.02 | Corrodias | what possible reason does D3 have that's better than SimCity? |
| 18:34.38 | Arrowmaster | d3 would have to add a separate solo mode and then people that didnt know any better would bitch that they cant use there solo characters online |
| 18:34.41 | karl_w_w | [devil's advocate] d3 is a better game in multiplayer |
| 18:35.24 | Unkle | it is. Unless they drop in just as you pull a champion pack and they futz around in town before joining you... |
| 18:35.31 | Arrowmaster | i would have preferred if there was a solo mode to d3 but i can understand why they didnt do it |
| 18:35.49 | Arrowmaster | most other games its purely about drm |
| 18:36.11 | Corrodias | huh, i thought it did have a solo mode |
| 18:36.15 | Corrodias | people claimed it did |
| 18:36.23 | foxlit | You can play alone, online |
| 18:36.40 | foxlit | I presume it's like wow -- they simply don't ship the server. |
| 18:36.44 | Corrodias | well, that changes everything |
| 18:37.51 | foxlit | BMAH ui is kind of... half-finished. |
| 18:37.57 | foxlit | Why can't I sort by things? |
| 18:37.57 | karl_w_w | thing is in d3 everything happens on the server |
| 18:38.04 | karl_w_w | so you're at the mercy of lag |
| 18:38.09 | karl_w_w | the whole time you play |
| 18:39.11 | foxlit | also, auction duration fudging is annoying |
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| 18:41.14 | pompy | theres an addon called, blackmarkettracker.. but i dont think it improves any of that. |
| 18:42.22 | pompy | if any of you minecrafters are left http://gamerant.com/minecraft-1-4-6-update-guide/ |
| 18:42.33 | karl_w_w | <pompy> http://www.facebook.com/hyperxcommunity/posts/532584543426250 <- how is that a good deal? |
| 18:42.43 | karl_w_w | that's what the normal non-sale price should be |
| 18:43.28 | Arrowmaster | rofl look at the original price |
| 18:43.29 | Semlar | you don't understand, it's on SALE |
| 18:43.51 | karl_w_w | ahahaha $600 |
| 18:44.06 | Semlar | the 16gb of ram i just put in my laptop was $60 |
| 18:44.35 | karl_w_w | this is what i compare all tech prices to http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf |
| 18:44.43 | Arrowmaster | its probably because its listed as a quad channel set |
| 18:44.46 | Semlar | and it was 2x8gb not 4x4gb |
| 18:44.51 | Arrowmaster | yet i know of NOTHING that uses quad channel |
| 18:45.06 | Arrowmaster | at least nothing consummer |
| 18:45.12 | foxlit | Semlar: but not the same socket, frequency, or memory tech? :) |
| 18:45.19 | Semlar | same frequency |
| 18:45.28 | Semlar | obviously this is desktop memory |
| 18:45.29 | karl_w_w | base price for that exact set $85, and that includes aussie tax |
| 18:45.36 | Semlar | which is normally cheaper |
| 18:46.01 | pompy | probably bc theres 4 chips |
| 18:46.05 | pompy | sticks* |
| 18:46.40 | karl_w_w | oh wait it's better than that set, it's 2x8 |
| 18:46.43 | karl_w_w | didnt notice that |
| 18:46.44 | pompy | http://camelcamelcamel.com/Kingston-Technology-Modules-KHX1600C9D3K4-16GX/product/B0033BTACM |
| 18:47.44 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 18:48.30 | pompy | not much of a sale from their normal price lol...just the manuf trying to sell shit, not amazons fault! lol |
| 18:48.46 | karl_w_w | besides ram speed is so far behind capacity in importance that it's almost irrelevant |
| 18:49.16 | Arrowmaster | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600006073%20600006127&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20 |
| 18:49.16 | mckenziemc | underclocks karl_w_w |
| 18:49.44 | karl_w_w | the interesting part is how the hell can they say $600 normal price |
| 18:49.58 | karl_w_w | where are they getting that from? arent there laws in your country? :P |
| 18:50.11 | Arrowmaster | thats just fucking stupid |
| 18:50.17 | pompy | unfortunately ;p lol. newegg charges NJ tax heh |
| 18:50.26 | pompy | 1 of the 7 states they do. |
| 18:52.48 | karl_w_w | i like how the list price changes with the different capacities they are selling on that page |
| 18:52.51 | karl_w_w | it makes so much sense |
| 18:53.50 | Arrowmaster | this is what i need http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231582 |
| 18:55.07 | pompy | hm forge won the community choice |
| 18:55.09 | pompy | $10 |
| 18:55.11 | pompy | new mmo! |
| 18:55.19 | karl_w_w | g.skill make good ram |
| 18:55.20 | pompy | not sub based |
| 18:55.54 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 18:55.56 | Arrowmaster | g.skill is what ive used in my desktop the last two times ive bought ram for it |
| 18:56.23 | Arrowmaster | usually also the cheapest for the best cas |
| 18:57.13 | foxlit | pompy: what makes it an mmo? |
| 18:57.37 | karl_w_w | it's massively multiplayer and it's online :P |
| 18:57.56 | foxlit | but is then stuff like call of battlefield IV an mmo? |
| 18:58.13 | karl_w_w | i haven't got the foggiest |
| 18:58.19 | pompy | eh true |
| 18:58.21 | pompy | "Forge™ is an online, class based multiplayer shooter set in a distinct fantasy universe. Forge features only the best aspects of MMO and FPS class based combat to provide a multiplayer gameplay experience unlike anything you've played before." |
| 18:58.26 | karl_w_w | what is call of battlefield iv |
| 18:58.40 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 18:58.44 | Fisker | :) |
| 18:58.49 | Corrodias | Forge looks really neat |
| 18:58.50 | Fisker | i hope you don't die tonight |
| 18:58.50 | haste | find me a active car stand for sgs3 |
| 18:58.54 | Corrodias | makes me wish i were interested in pvp |
| 18:58.55 | Fisker | >:( |
| 18:59.00 | haste | I won't |
| 18:59.01 | Fisker | what is this crazy talk haste ? |
| 18:59.05 | haste | I'll just haste my way out of ther |
| 18:59.06 | karl_w_w | basically we need to decide what puts the massively in mmo |
| 18:59.11 | haste | my father has a sgs3 Fisker |
| 18:59.12 | Fisker | didn't you get nexus 4? |
| 18:59.14 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 18:59.15 | haste | he needs a car stand |
| 18:59.18 | Fisker | my heart skipped a beat there |
| 18:59.19 | Corrodias | karl: my penis |
| 18:59.25 | haste | and one that charges! |
| 18:59.31 | Fisker | get one of those insane usb cables haste |
| 18:59.32 | foxlit | whatever army-themed shooter is the shiniest at the moment. Don't they boast maps with like 100+ players? |
| 18:59.47 | haste | trying to find one that matches my spec! |
| 18:59.59 | haste | car, attach to windows plox, with charging |
| 19:00.05 | Fisker | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1782458858/the-limbal |
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| 19:00.22 | haste | also, I'm drinking mariestads export Fisker |
| 19:00.28 | Fisker | sounds like shit |
| 19:00.37 | haste | not too bad |
| 19:01.27 | haste | limbal looks cool, but not for the car |
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| 19:05.29 | Fisker | https://plus.google.com/115635783790203857600/posts/YxKKQDhUAZn <-that hurt so much his account got baleeted |
| 19:05.38 | karl_w_w | the only bad thing about the limbal is the name |
| 19:05.42 | Fisker | afraid of a little bumpyness haste ? |
| 19:05.49 | Fisker | anyway i dunno any car stands |
| 19:05.55 | Fisker | i r not car jersk |
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| 19:07.33 | haste | think I found one |
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| 19:09.30 | karl_w_w | Fisker: i liked the idiot in the comments who thinks myspace invented the idea of social networking |
| 19:11.03 | Arrowmaster | steam deals not listed on the front page http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=33604516&postcount=1 |
| 19:13.56 | Zootfizzle | w00t |
| 19:14.04 | Zootfizzle | Helloooooo nurse! |
| 19:14.12 | Zootfizzle | That is all :D |
| 19:14.28 | karl_w_w | oooh matron |
| 19:20.40 | Humbedooh | harlformerlyknownasharl |
| 19:25.30 | Arrowmaster | and my dad just got is letter saying hes now on the OSU kidney transplant list |
| 19:26.30 | Humbedooh | awesome :) |
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| 19:34.21 | Guest15764 | Hello, is there a FAQ/Guide for implementing saved variables? I have an event listener responding to the ADDON_LOADED event which I am using to check my var against nil, but my other functions/methods are causing errors when the file is loaded since my var/table doesn't exist yet (I think). |
| 19:36.17 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions |
| 19:36.26 | kd3 | plenty more at http://www.wowpedia.org/Portal:Interface_customization |
| 19:38.14 | Guest15764 | I've read the wowpedia link and it's not quite answering my question, or I'm not asking the right question. |
| 19:39.03 | Guest15764 | Basically I have functions defined as: function MyAddon:myMethod() ... end. At the top of my lua file I have my event handler for ADDON_LOADED. I *think* that when the script is loaded, the MyAddon table doesn't exist yet. |
| 19:39.13 | nevcairiel | well you should just not execute any code before ADDON_LOADED runs |
| 19:39.38 | Guest15764 | I'm not meaning to, these should be definitions (unless you're counting definitions). |
| 19:39.54 | Guest15764 | Can I just chuck all of this into a function main() ... end. and call my main in the ADDON_LOADED callback? |
| 19:40.08 | nevcairiel | if the "MyAddon" table is a saved variable, you're really doing something odd there |
| 19:40.27 | nevcairiel | you should store data in the SV, not your whole addon =P |
| 19:40.42 | Guest15764 | Hmm, I bet I am doing something odd. |
| 19:40.56 | Guest15764 | You know, I think I need to separate my SV from my actual addon namespace. |
| 19:41.10 | Guest15764 | ...which makes tremendous amounts of sense. |
| 19:41.12 | Neffi | O_O |
| 19:41.33 | Guest15764 | meaning I don't want my SV to be MyAddon, I want my SV to be MyAddonData or something. |
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| 19:41.39 | nevcairiel | at load time, the SV is not available yet, but at ADDON_LOADED, it should be |
| 19:41.55 | Neffi | Yes that's the point of the shocked eyes. Your addon was in your SV table? =X |
| 19:42.05 | nevcairiel | i wonder what it saves then |
| 19:42.10 | nevcairiel | probably just skips the functions |
| 19:42.16 | Neffi | Probably |
| 19:42.44 | Guest15764 | I read that functions weren't saved, which I don't care about, but I was just tacking stuff on to MyAddon and wanting it to persist, then I ran into this nil issue. |
| 19:43.00 | Neffi | yeah, create a separate namespace |
| 19:43.01 | nevcairiel | yeah the usual way is to just have a seperate table |
| 19:43.11 | Guest15764 | excellent, that makes a lot more sense. |
| 19:43.24 | Neffi | If it makes things easier, the common convention is to store a reference to that separate namespace at myAddon.db |
| 19:43.34 | Neffi | this way it's logically laid out namespace-wise |
| 19:43.41 | Cairenn|afk | Arrowmaster: awww, poor puppy! |
| 19:46.13 | Guest15764 | Neffi: Awesome, I'll use that convention. |
| 19:46.59 | foxlit | Guest15764: paste your code to somewhere like http://pastebin.com |
| 19:47.21 | nevcairiel | i think we already helped him find the flaw in his plans =p |
| 19:47.28 | Cairenn | Driving is so much fun today. We've got 25 cm of snow already down, over top of the freezing rain and ice pellets from last night. 10 more cm due through the afternoon, with another 5 over night and 2 more tomorrow. Wheeee. |
| 19:47.35 | Cairenn | Have I mentioned lately that I hate winter? |
| 19:48.07 | nevcairiel | you just live in a part of the world where winter is annoying :P |
| 19:48.15 | foxlit | ah, scrollback! |
| 19:48.22 | Lopeppeppy | We're only getting the ice and freezing rain. Fun times. |
| 19:48.44 | nevcairiel | in general the americas seem to have much more extreme weather conditions |
| 19:49.09 | nevcairiel | just move to europe! |
| 19:49.14 | Cairenn | Heh |
| 19:49.24 | Unkle | The Americas as spread over a very large range of temperature zones/bands. |
| 19:49.47 | Lopeppeppy | Riots, fires, mudslides, hurricanes, tornados, blizzards, nor'easters... |
| 19:49.59 | nevcairiel | we get no hurricanes, no tornados, and if you stay out of scandinavia, also no 50cm snow (well, not commonly at least) |
| 19:50.01 | Unkle | Cats and dogs living together. |
| 19:50.25 | nevcairiel | and since you already calculate your snow in cm and not in hands and feet, you'll feel right at home! |
| 19:50.44 | Unkle | For ideal weather all year round you want something along the Med. |
| 19:51.12 | Unkle | Hands is for horses. Snow is in inches and feet. :P |
| 19:51.16 | kd3 | so I haven't been paying attention to the news |
| 19:51.19 | kd3 | is the world over yet? |
| 19:51.38 | Primer | yes |
| 19:51.59 | nilyaK | hay is for horses. |
| 19:52.11 | Unkle | Odd, I feel fine. |
| 19:53.04 | kd3 | also, a hand is 4 inches when used to measure horses (go from thumb to pinky holding your palm flat) |
| 19:53.14 | kd3 | thinks to his parents' Tennessee Walking Horses |
| 19:54.29 | Unkle | And it was euros who gave us the Imperial measures still in use today. I mean, you always have a hand on hand (lulz) to measure your horse purchase. |
| 19:55.47 | nevcairiel | perhaps it came from europe, but we were smart enough to abandon it long ago =p |
| 19:56.53 | Arrowmaster | yet a certain someplace still uses stones as a unit of weight |
| 19:56.57 | Unkle | I would prefer metric to Imperial, but it never seems to catch on. |
| 19:57.50 | Arrowmaster | you know what really needs to be converted first, bolts |
| 19:58.07 | Arrowmaster | fucking hate having to find metric vs imperial wrenches |
| 19:58.26 | Arrowmaster | and theres no fucking point |
| 19:58.40 | Unkle | Seriously. Too many factories mix and matching metric and imperial parts. |
| 19:59.46 | nevcairiel | dont the japanese have their own size as well? |
| 19:59.57 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think so |
| 20:00.10 | Primer | Nope, Japanese use metric |
| 20:00.20 | Primer | has worked on many a Japanese car |
| 20:00.43 | Arrowmaster | nothing in the US is a 'japanese' car or a 'european' car anymore though |
| 20:01.05 | Arrowmaster | they all ship the parts to the US and assemble them here to avoid import taxes |
| 20:01.49 | Primer | But they're still called "Japanese cars" |
| 20:01.59 | Unkle | Or outright manufacture everything here. |
| 20:02.11 | Arrowmaster | they can still end up with a mix of metric and imperial parts though because of that |
| 20:02.34 | Primer | That's never been my experience |
| 20:02.44 | Primer | although I haven't worked as a mechanic in...20 years |
| 20:02.53 | Unkle | It's pretty frustrating to discover you have the wrong wrench half-way through a disassembly. |
| 20:04.17 | Primer | heh SWTOR expansion |
| 20:04.47 | Primer | While I played SWTOR for a few months, and I really wanted to like it...I just didn't |
| 20:04.55 | Primer | stopped playing one day and never went back |
| 20:05.06 | nevcairiel | i only leveld in swtor |
| 20:05.13 | nevcairiel | felt like a great single player game |
| 20:06.05 | Unkle | I played in an "open beta" weekend twice. I couldn't suspend disbelief enough to buy the tasks involved and the mechanics insulted me routinely. Complex != rich gameplay. |
| 20:06.30 | Arrowmaster | face it, we arent the target mmo audience anymore |
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| 20:06.38 | Primer | Indeed, the single player part was excellent |
| 20:06.44 | Primer | But there was just no end game |
| 20:06.45 | nevcairiel | i dunno it didnt feel too different to any other mmo |
| 20:07.01 | Unkle | I don't think I'm the target audience for pretty much ANY games being published anymore. |
| 20:07.04 | nevcairiel | so i bought it, leveld for a month or so, then never logged in again |
| 20:08.11 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: the fratbros and casuals bring in way too much profit now to not be the target audience |
| 20:09.09 | Unkle | I'm a "casual" - as in I never develop dominating skill at any particular game. |
| 20:09.16 | Thunder_Child | I really wish steam showed sales. I would love to see how many people actually buy Farming Simulator. |
| 20:09.39 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: i know two people that got it and play it regularly <.< |
| 20:09.46 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: i mean casual as in logs in to play an mmo a few times a week for a few hours, does some random stuff and is happy |
| 20:09.48 | Unkle | Though I will probably kick your ass at Ticket to Ride. |
| 20:10.11 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: its the weirdest thing when the two meet, they go on and on about some stupid farming chores |
| 20:10.13 | Arrowmaster | not the people that plow through content and question what the endgame is |
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| 20:10.45 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: well, that part doesn't surprise me, though anyoue listening would be confused i suspect |
| 20:11.08 | Unkle | In that respect, I'm "hardcore" with multiple max-level toons and dabbling in "end-game" content. |
| 20:12.03 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: last time they played it in multiplayer, so crazy seeing two guys sitting there driving a harvester and enjoying it so much, the game just seems so booring :P |
| 20:12.13 | Arrowmaster | i liked how they came out and said the bioshock infinite box art is there to draw in the fratbros but left out multiplayer and the like because the game isnt designed for the fratbros |
| 20:12.46 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel: now if the harvester was more like C&C..... |
| 20:13.17 | Unkle | Boxed games are sort of like one-shot sales. You have to make your money on the initial audience. |
| 20:13.58 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: only reasonable explanation would be that its zen garden ish to them |
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| 20:15.11 | nevcairiel | well i suppose |
| 20:15.49 | nevcairiel | the thing was, we actually meet up to play some games, so the rest of us was playing i think CoD or something over LAN, and those two guys rather spent their time driving harvesters :P |
| 20:15.52 | nevcairiel | was just odd |
| 20:16.04 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 20:16.08 | Thunder_Child | The only thing i ever found 'zen garden' was Civ 2, but that was because doing nothing but hitting enter for hours on end put me to sleep |
| 20:16.41 | Unkle | Did they blast "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy" on the speakers? |
| 20:18.27 | nevcairiel | i could really use some game again which i would just play for a few hours now and then, nothing really comes to mind lately |
| 20:19.58 | nilyaK | HAH new battery and charger came, my laptop not only charges but the battery holds a charge now! /excited. |
| 20:20.30 | Unkle | Yay! |
| 20:20.57 | nilyaK | also, earth January? god, way to patch just as I start a new quarter. There go my grades... |
| 20:21.00 | nilyaK | early* |
| 20:21.49 | nilyaK | okay, shutting down for now, gotta get some housework done. |
| 20:26.11 | Dagmar | nilyaK: I wager if you ran Ingress under the Android emulator it could put a stop to that |
| 20:36.28 | Stanzilla | http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/21/3792732/the-satanic-numerology-in-gangnam-style-and-call-me-maybe-videos |
| 20:38.23 | Neffi | <3 jesus facepalm |
| 20:42.13 | kd3 | whee, 150 mounts |
| 20:43.11 | foxlit | Stanzilla: comedy! |
| 20:43.24 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:43.30 | Stanzilla | and gz kd3 |
| 20:43.31 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151275839124034&set=a.298842734033.144051.138011799033&type=1 present eh? lol. >< |
| 20:43.54 | kd3 | now I need to go pay someone to die at halaa repeatedly so I can get those two mounts, finally |
| 20:44.50 | Stanzilla | kd3: that was the only time I was able to use our realm's forum for something useful |
| 20:45.01 | Stanzilla | found about 30 people at the end that wanted to do that |
| 20:45.03 | Stanzilla | pretty cool |
| 20:45.11 | kd3 | lol |
| 20:45.26 | Unkle | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/congress-caves-privacy/ |
| 20:45.32 | Stanzilla | so we had like 40 alliance people and 30 horde |
| 20:45.40 | Stanzilla | taking turns |
| 20:46.28 | Stanzilla | every character stripped and the groups met on the bridge for a happy slaughterfest :D |
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| 21:03.42 | Fisker | how do they cave it Unkle ? |
| 21:06.25 | Unkle | By changing the law about releasing lists of of video rentals without prior authorization, Congress caved to special interests (Netflix, Facebook) and because it was making those changes harder to pass, the pulled the section of the law that would require government bodies to get a warrant to search your (cloud-based) email. That's caving. |
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| 21:11.49 | the-golem | Cairenn: ping |
| 21:11.57 | Cairenn | the-golem: pong |
| 21:12.15 | the-golem | Got mah headphones just now :-D |
| 21:12.24 | Cairenn | yay! |
| 21:12.46 | Cairenn | you make #6 that has confirmed receipt :) |
| 21:12.58 | the-golem | \o/ |
| 21:21.01 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 21:21.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still not 100% sure how the farm works |
| 21:21.26 | Mr_Rabies | if jogu says to plant a certain crop, i should plant it on the day he says it right? |
| 21:22.07 | Stanzilla | no |
| 21:22.29 | Stanzilla | he tells you what will be good tomorrow, so you have to plant it on the current tday and harvest it on the day he said |
| 21:22.38 | Elkano | he tells you what you should plant today to get 8 instead of 5 tomorrow |
| 21:23.13 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 21:23.16 | Mr_Rabies | okay, taht's what i thought |
| 21:23.26 | Mr_Rabies | but i planted some turnips the other day on a day he said to |
| 21:23.31 | Mr_Rabies | on some alts |
| 21:23.44 | Mr_Rabies | came back today, they're all regular ripe crops with 5x |
| 21:23.50 | Mr_Rabies | i guess you have to harvest them the next day |
| 21:32.10 | cbreak | maybe you planted the wrong color |
| 21:33.34 | Mr_Rabies | nah, but i hadn't gone to the farm on the day they were supposed to be ubercrops |
| 21:33.39 | Mr_Rabies | or even logged in on those characters |
| 21:34.20 | Mr_Rabies | i double checked when planting them |
| 21:34.28 | Mr_Rabies | unless the ubercrop isn't the same for all chars on the same account |
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| 21:37.52 | foxlit | no, it's the same |
| 21:38.12 | foxlit | But it doesn't matter when you plant things; it matters only when you harvest |
| 21:39.00 | kd3 | oh, foxlit, just the person I'm looking to see. spade doesn't react properly to bursting crops and I don't know how to fix it without wiping SVs |
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| 21:39.37 | foxlit | were you looking for a really long time? |
| 21:39.47 | kd3 | not really, no |
| 21:40.22 | foxlit | So it's the latest spade version we're talking about? |
| 21:40.42 | kd3 | 1.4's what I'm using |
| 21:40.44 | kd3 | tabs open curse |
| 21:42.07 | foxlit | yeah, just out-of-date enough to be encountering that problem. |
| 21:42.41 | kd3 | I'll see what happens after the reset tomorrow, but 1.5 (after a /reload to load it) still shows 2 ghost crops |
| 21:43.16 | foxlit | Do a /spade clear when your farm is empty. |
| 21:45.32 | foxlit | I don't actually track plant guids, so I can't get rid of the ghosts for you (I suppose I could wipe everyone's SVs upon upgrading, but meh) -- hence the manual command to do it. |
| 21:47.06 | kd3 | that'll work - thanks |
| 22:03.48 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/OFOoH.jpg |
| 22:06.06 | Unkle | Just granted someone broad access to a mailbox and calendar with the admonition "Use this power only for Good, never for Evil." |
| 22:09.25 | alestane | At least you're in a small enough organization that you can hunt them down. |
| 22:11.15 | Unkle | Not only can I hunt them down, they're probably within arm's reach. |
| 22:19.30 | Unkle | And on that note, a festive yule, joyous solstice, happy/merry christmas, hanukkah, kwanzaa, or other holiday greeting of your choice. And I shall see you all next week! |
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| 22:37.02 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me |
| 22:37.06 | Mr_Rabies | thank you foxlit |
| 22:37.16 | Mr_Rabies | spade is such a quality of life improvement |
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| 23:05.30 | bleeter | ooh, old news is old news but Steam Linux open beta |
| 23:05.37 | bleeter | woots |
| 23:06.22 | bleeter | files a bug 'why u guys not coming to Australia for Linux Conf?!" |
| 23:06.43 | Arrowmaster | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/15502w/the_big_updated_list_of_which_steam_for_linux/ |
| 23:07.33 | Arrowmaster | i can verify that FTL does in fact work in steam linux if you switch to the beta properly |
| 23:08.37 | haste | I should make steam work here, but too lazy |
| 23:11.10 | bleeter | it's heaps easier than, say, 3 or 4 years ago |
| 23:11.36 | bleeter | well, for me at least. the 'gotchas' are considerably less :) |
| 23:12.38 | bleeter | haha when you click on the GitHub link on the Steam For Linux page to report bugs, a popup warns you that you're going to an unofficial site :) |
| 23:12.43 | bleeter | hmm, isn't there an IRC for... |
| 23:13.40 | haste | depends on your distro bleeter :P |
| 23:13.56 | haste | and I'm on my laptop |
| 23:13.58 | haste | so kinda meh |
| 23:14.14 | bleeter | laptop, oh well fair enough then! |
| 23:14.18 | bleeter | bugger linux gaming on laptops |
| 23:14.24 | Thunder_Child | I won't do linux at home till i get a laptop |
| 23:14.33 | Thunder_Child | I play games way too much |
| 23:14.34 | haste | super hexagon works fine under wine |
| 23:14.39 | haste | all that matters |
| 23:16.54 | bleeter | heh, and the SSL cert at developer.valvesoftware.com is expired too |
| 23:21.16 | Arrowmaster | im trying to figure out what im missing to get steam in-game ui to work |
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| 23:46.57 | VIad | does xml have access to namespace variable? |
| 23:47.27 | VIad | in lua: local addonName, namespace = ... |
| 23:48.58 | haste | don't think so |
| 23:51.50 | VIad | :'( |
