| 00:02.15 | karl_w_w | what we have here is a failure to stake-municate |
| 00:19.15 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:28.06 | Peluche^^ | (Ariecchime dopo 5 ore 14 minuti 26 secondi) |
| 01:30.04 | Thunder_Child | Adys: I hope you are kidding, or you made a big mistake telling me. |
| 01:33.57 | Rythal | Carrier has arrived. |
| 01:35.56 | Adys | Thunder_Child: telling you what? |
| 01:36.28 | Thunder_Child | Adys: that it is your project |
| 01:36.53 | Adys | you have sarcasm detection issues |
| 01:37.39 | Thunder_Child | No, that's what i was trying to make sure |
| 01:38.01 | Rythal | did they add sarcasm detectors to the chat client? |
| 01:38.31 | Rythal | I know microsoft tried at one time with there comic chat IRC client... |
| 01:38.38 | Dagmar | Why wouldn't they when they've worked so well once they were incorporated into IRC TS4 protocol? |
| 01:41.40 | Rythal | Is it wrong, that all day I keep finding myself bursting out laughing at all those instagram fools.... |
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| 01:44.37 | SuperPortia | Anyone know why companion update fires so often? |
| 01:47.56 | karl_w_w | how often is so often |
| 01:48.06 | SuperPortia | Every couple of minutes. |
| 01:48.25 | SuperPortia | I'm also guessing every time you mount and dismount, but I expected that. |
| 01:48.36 | karl_w_w | probably fires when you mount or something? |
| 01:48.48 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 01:49.09 | karl_w_w | when u cross crz |
| 01:49.19 | karl_w_w | every couple of minutes isnt much at all |
| 01:49.20 | SuperPortia | Seems like, but why would it update then? |
| 01:49.40 | karl_w_w | just cos? :P |
| 01:52.32 | Rythal | does anything make sense? |
| 01:52.38 | SuperPortia | Yes |
| 01:52.58 | Rythal | your lucky then >< i've been lost in a sea of confusion for months |
| 01:53.00 | karl_w_w | if u have a non-specific event like that you should just assume it's going to fire constantly for no reason at all and code accordingly |
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| 01:53.46 | SuperPortia | Is there anything that contains additional information about events in the OnEvent function? |
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| 01:55.52 | SuperPortia | Off topic, but I'm loving that max level pets don't take a share of XP anymore. |
| 01:56.09 | Rythal | Ok... Torchboxes Twitter reading moosehead stream is the best thing i've seen all week |
| 01:56.19 | karl_w_w | yeah cos levelling pets was so hard before |
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| 01:56.39 | SuperPortia | Not hard, but tedious |
| 01:56.50 | SuperPortia | Getting a team of 30 max level pets isn't that quick |
| 01:56.55 | nilyaK | that's what she said /burn |
| 01:56.57 | xyphoid_ | do you get player xp for pet battles, btw? |
| 01:56.59 | karl_w_w | it's not supposed to be |
| 01:57.03 | SuperPortia | No |
| 01:57.26 | SuperPortia | And I agree it's not supposed to be, but I think one pet leveled a day is about right. |
| 01:57.32 | Rythal | I have never once done pet battles yet.... does that make me a bad person >< |
| 01:57.49 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 01:57.56 | SuperPortia | It makes you satan himeself. |
| 01:58.05 | karl_w_w | go to your room and think about what you've done |
| 01:58.23 | Rythal | I did pickup the quest telling you to go learn how to battle tho! it sits on every character taunting me to have my first battle |
| 01:58.24 | SuperPortia | You can come out when you feel like you can be a human being again. |
| 01:59.01 | Rythal | I have a valid reason for not tho! |
| 01:59.09 | karl_w_w | its a nice distraction |
| 01:59.22 | SuperPortia | I generally find it more enjoyable than the player combat. |
| 01:59.32 | Rythal | I'm on moonguard.... and the first quest for pet battles said goto elwyn forest..... I ... I... just can't do that |
| 02:00.07 | SuperPortia | I finally got my scourged whelpling |
| 02:01.44 | Rythal | http://moose.torchbox.com/ ... it's a moose hanging on the wall of there office, and if you tweet them, it reads it out to everyone. |
| 02:30.27 | Rythal | *starts to hum in the silence* all the moves like batman, I got the moves like batman, I got the na na na na na na na moves like batman... |
| 02:33.33 | durcyn | go outside, Rythal. |
| 02:34.00 | Rythal | it's dark out.. I might get mugged :/ |
| 02:34.08 | Semlar | are you in a bad neighborhood |
| 02:34.29 | Rythal | no.. i'm in a town that rolls the sidewalks up at 6pm |
| 02:35.49 | Rythal | tho if I did go out.. I could go dancing gandalf style around the empty streets! *ponders* |
| 02:36.59 | Mr_Rabies | oppa gandalf style |
| 02:37.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sorry |
| 02:37.19 | Rythal | wiz wiz wiz wizard gandalf style! |
| 02:37.49 | Rythal | you don't have to be sorry... I actually was refrencing the parody of that song :P |
| 02:38.20 | durcyn | it's a shameful thing he did, sorrow is the appropriate emotion. |
| 02:38.55 | Rythal | bah.. embrace your geek side... love your parodies... |
| 02:40.28 | durcyn | most "geek things" are awful, though? |
| 02:40.50 | durcyn | my little pony, bacon, reddit, all shit. |
| 02:43.22 | VIad | Rythal: you bricked my phone :( |
| 02:43.45 | VIad | jk it works perfectly :P |
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| 02:51.43 | Rythal | hrmm... none of those are geek things |
| 02:51.50 | Rythal | VIad: glad to hear it! |
| 02:51.59 | Semlar | he just said reddit 3 times |
| 02:52.02 | VIad | having trouble finding call recording app tough :( |
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| 02:54.41 | Rythal | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.killermobile.totalrecall.s2.trial&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5raWxsZXJtb2JpbGUudG90YWxyZWNhbGwuczIudHJpYWwiXQ.. |
| 02:55.11 | VIad | sceptical but will take a peak |
| 02:55.21 | bleeter | Cairenn: can we ban durcyn? He's dissing bacon! |
| 02:55.28 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:58.04 | Thunder_Child | So? it's not all that |
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| 02:58.20 | Rythal | THOU SHAT NOT UTTER BLASPHAMY! |
| 02:58.54 | Rythal | s/shat/shalt :/ |
| 02:59.27 | bleeter | haha Rythal allcapsed SHAT |
| 02:59.37 | bleeter | :P |
| 02:59.57 | Rythal | turns in my badge and goes back to the corner of shame |
| 03:00.25 | durcyn | you can't ban the truth. |
| 03:01.21 | Rythal | ugh... another tuesday... another 4 terrace runs of dissapointment as no bow drops |
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| 03:31.05 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/31616_100238690148400_1919033510_n.jpg |
| 03:34.20 | pompy | Arrowmaster: http://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-3-patch/ nice |
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| 03:45.38 | Kraps | the patch also makes jumping in and out of the game’s menus (weapons, assassin recruits, map) that much faster. |
| 03:46.06 | Kraps | i hope so |
| 03:46.10 | Kraps | because DAMN |
| 03:46.12 | pompy | yar |
| 03:46.58 | pompy | there was also a 30mb halo 4 update today but i didnt see what it was about yet |
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| 04:06.30 | Thunder_Child | pompy: seems like it was to take away a DLC the some people got for free |
| 04:07.41 | Thunder_Child | crimson map pack |
| 04:27.13 | pompy | hmm |
| 04:27.22 | pompy | they said they fixed that the day of release |
| 04:27.33 | pompy | it was an issue with the pass CE holders not being able to dld it |
| 04:27.35 | pompy | hrmmm. |
| 04:28.08 | Benalish | (Is vading euei:) (Away From Keyboard) |
| 04:28.12 | pompy | theres only ever a max of about 3xxx ppl playing those new maps.. doesnt seem like a lot really. |
| 04:28.22 | Thunder_Child | pompy: i think it had to do with the fact that it was free for a weekend or something |
| 04:28.30 | Thunder_Child | at least that's what i was readin |
| 04:28.31 | Thunder_Child | g |
| 04:28.34 | pompy | ah |
| 04:29.07 | pompy | im debating on buying th emap pass.. i didnt see it listed in the leaked xbox sale. but i could be wrong |
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| 04:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | finally we got elegon |
| 04:41.58 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 04:42.01 | Mr_Rabies | 51 pulls :| |
| 04:52.05 | nilyaK | is going to stick to raid finder. |
| 05:08.07 | Jammer | Mr_Rabies: hc? |
| 05:08.16 | Mr_Rabies | normal :| |
| 05:08.37 | Jammer | damn, that's quite a lot of pulls |
| 05:08.42 | Semlar | that's what she said |
| 05:08.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm done with raid finder nilyaK, tired of morons and jerks |
| 05:09.05 | Mr_Rabies | raid finder's actually harder because of how terrible the populace is |
| 05:10.52 | Mr_Rabies | and i don't mean terrible as in crappy at their job, i mean terrible as in terrible people |
| 05:11.20 | Semlar | terrible people are usually better at the game though |
| 05:11.24 | nilyaK | yea :X |
| 05:11.34 | Jammer | Mr_Rabies: hmm wowprogress seems to think it took us 48 pulls as well... I remember spending few raid nights on it so guess that's possible |
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| 05:11.57 | nilyaK | people are total jerks, and ugh this ep of NCIS is kinda triggering =/ |
| 05:12.16 | nilyaK | this bitch is the opposite spectrum of my ex-roommate =/ |
| 05:12.19 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't matter, Semlar, when people go out of their way to grief on every single damned boss fight in lfr it's not worth it |
| 05:12.33 | Mr_Rabies | they've even started doing it in 5 mans |
| 05:12.43 | Semlar | grief? |
| 05:13.12 | Mr_Rabies | for example, pulling before everyone's there, putting on aspect of the pack mid-boss fight on blade lord |
| 05:13.23 | nilyaK | cause strife for other players |
| 05:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | or just going afk the whole fight |
| 05:13.47 | Mr_Rabies | so that we're x people down |
| 05:13.51 | nilyaK | finds that legitimate considering her system. |
| 05:14.00 | Semlar | those could all still just be bad players |
| 05:14.04 | Mr_Rabies | they're not |
| 05:14.18 | Mr_Rabies | and if they are, they're as bad as griefers |
| 05:14.25 | nilyaK | nobody in heroic gear afking raid finder is bad |
| 05:14.28 | nilyaK | they're just jerks. |
| 05:14.47 | nilyaK | same behavior as arena players afking bgs |
| 05:14.57 | nilyaK | happens at the start of every season |
| 05:15.07 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know if my battlegroup is an exception, but literally every random group i'm in has some kind of fatal flaw |
| 05:15.19 | Mr_Rabies | i had a big rant in here the other day about it so i'll spare everyone |
| 05:15.47 | Mr_Rabies | i wish we'd go back to early cata dungeons so at least i could blame us wiping and taking forever on the difficulty |
| 05:15.53 | Mr_Rabies | and it'd filter out the morons :( |
| 05:16.06 | nilyaK | they have those, it's called challenge modes |
| 05:16.07 | Semlar | and you can't make your own raid groups |
| 05:16.13 | nilyaK | it' |
| 05:16.25 | nilyaK | s just there's no LFD for challenge modes so it's more like bc |
| 05:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | good luck finding 25 people on the same schedule for anything nowadays :| |
| 05:16.37 | Mr_Rabies | and yeah, i need to get some of those going |
| 05:16.45 | nilyaK | I would love to do challenge modes |
| 05:16.48 | Mr_Rabies | it's just hard to after everyone's so used to solo queuing in teh guild |
| 05:18.42 | Semlar | well you sound really pissed about it but you do have options that you don't want to bother with because they're too much work |
| 05:20.55 | Semlar | if i really couldn't stand doing randoms because of how shitty the player pool was i would be putting together my own group to do it with |
| 05:21.09 | Semlar | and ESPECIALLY if it's as shitty as you're saying you should have no problem getting other people to cooperate |
| 05:29.59 | SuperPortia | Is there a Lua naming convension? |
| 05:30.21 | Semlar | naming convention is up to the programmer |
| 05:31.13 | Semlar | for example i generally name my variables after futurama characters |
| 05:31.18 | SuperPortia | Is there a WoW Lua naming convention? |
| 05:31.26 | durcyn | write everything in crayon. |
| 05:31.43 | Semlar | they don't even necessarily spell everything correctly in the api |
| 05:32.17 | Semlar | what are you looking for |
| 05:33.13 | SuperPortia | I come from languages with strong conventions and I'm not sure if I should be using upper or lower case to start certain things |
| 05:33.18 | durcyn | as for wow, public functions in the C API and FrameXML are usually CamelCase, locals tend to be headlessCamelCase |
| 05:33.26 | End_ | camel case is pretty common, but it's up to you |
| 05:33.30 | Semlar | you should look at the addons in the framexml |
| 05:33.48 | Semlar | constants are in all caps |
| 05:36.12 | Semlar | https://github.com/Ketho/wow-ui-source/blob/ptr/AddOns/Blizzard_AchievementUI/Blizzard_AchievementUI.lua here's an example from the acheivement ui |
| 05:37.38 | SuperPortia | Alright. |
| 05:37.39 | SuperPortia | It's weird for me to see MyFrame.value:Method() |
| 05:38.01 | Wobin | I much prefer raiding with my guild than lfr |
| 05:39.48 | Semlar | you could do Method(MyFrame.value) |
| 05:40.06 | Semlar | if you wanted to make it some separate function |
| 05:40.06 | nilyaK | I can't raid with my guild, at 4fps or with 10000ms latency at peak hours if on campus where my desktop is, plus my lack of experience I just am not good enough =/ |
| 05:40.26 | Semlar | good god |
| 05:40.34 | Semlar | are you playing on a TI86 |
| 05:40.40 | SuperPortia | I'll just get over my awkwardness |
| 05:41.25 | Semlar | i only do something like you have there if i'm dealing with object type things |
| 05:42.27 | nilyaK | on my laptop? no I'm playing on a Dell Latitude D630. |
| 05:42.40 | Semlar | and you're only getting 4fps? |
| 05:42.46 | Semlar | is that on the lowest settings |
| 05:42.52 | nilyaK | in 25m raids yes and yes it is, 800x600 |
| 05:43.04 | End_ | youch |
| 05:43.30 | nilyaK | (this is not a new machine) |
| 05:43.33 | Semlar | yeah |
| 05:43.37 | Semlar | it's got like a core 2 duo in it |
| 05:43.39 | End_ | I think we guessed that |
| 05:43.53 | nilyaK | correct, better than the machine I RMAd for this one but yea |
| 05:44.00 | nilyaK | 2.0Ghz core 2 duo |
| 05:44.10 | nilyaK | intel 965M express chipset |
| 05:44.31 | Semlar | still that's the same laptop we had at my highschool and people were gaming on those |
| 05:44.34 | nilyaK | I can get like 12fps in cities or 20 fps out doing quests by myself |
| 05:44.58 | nilyaK | raids with all their spell effects just kill me |
| 05:45.03 | Arrowmaster | Canada, the new Australia http://youtu.be/CE0Q904gtMI |
| 05:45.17 | Semlar | we actually had the D600-630 depending on the year |
| 05:45.38 | SuperPortia | Until they have as good a meat grading system then they are no Australia. |
| 05:45.44 | nilyaK | yea I had a D600 before that was RMAd, it was single core and I am remembering something with 300, X300 ATI maybe? |
| 05:46.41 | nilyaK | they screwed up and gave me a 2 year warranty after I was nearly 3 years into a 3 year warranty on the other one |
| 05:46.46 | Semlar | i don't know we had the pentium M |
| 05:46.48 | nilyaK | was pretty good, I went through so many system boards |
| 05:47.00 | nilyaK | is that single core? |
| 05:47.07 | Semlar | i think it was |
| 05:47.21 | nilyaK | prob what was in this, idk what the service tag was so I can't check for sure |
| 05:47.56 | nilyaK | but yea I got that in 11th grade back in 05, RMAd in 08, had this thing since |
| 05:48.03 | nilyaK | it works fine for what it's for. |
| 05:48.18 | Semlar | i just recently bought a latitude for myself |
| 05:49.19 | nilyaK | which model? |
| 05:49.37 | Semlar | d5430 |
| 05:50.03 | Semlar | i mean e5430 |
| 05:50.39 | Semlar | 128gb ssd, 2.6ghz i5 |
| 05:50.43 | Semlar | 16gb of ram |
| 05:51.05 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/6xQFo.jpg |
| 05:51.16 | nilyaK | sounds sexy, does it run cool enough? |
| 05:51.31 | Semlar | yeah it runs surprisingly cool, it probably would get hot if i pushed it |
| 05:51.56 | Rythal | yuck... dell |
| 05:52.02 | Semlar | don't hate |
| 05:52.12 | Semlar | latitude is the business line |
| 05:52.22 | Semlar | it beats the crap out of their consumer stuff |
| 05:52.24 | Rythal | I know... I have 3 behind me I bought the neices for christmas :P |
| 05:53.02 | Rythal | nothing high like yours tho |
| 05:53.22 | Semlar | i got it refurbished from ebay |
| 05:53.29 | Semlar | it was a little under $600 |
| 05:53.51 | nilyaK | Nice! I've seen some of the laptops I have on my university surplus site, I keep considering buying one for parts. |
| 05:53.53 | Semlar | well, it came with 4gb of ram but i fixed that |
| 05:53.56 | Rythal | mine were off-lease from a company for $125 each |
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| 05:54.58 | Rythal | if I was buying new I wouldn't look at anyone but asus personally.. but for refurb, love the lats |
| 05:55.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/unAG4.png that's the drive |
| 05:56.14 | Rythal | very nice |
| 05:56.27 | Semlar | which is admittedly not as quick as some SSDs but it's still blazing fast |
| 05:57.16 | nilyaK | this is my drive atm: http://i.imgur.com/43lK1.png |
| 05:57.26 | nilyaK | hence why I decided to order a new HDD. |
| 05:57.27 | Semlar | good times |
| 05:57.32 | Rythal | they usually are... since it's read / access that matters 90% of the time, and just can't beat 1ms access |
| 05:57.51 | Semlar | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/215664/HDTune_Benchmark_ATA_____ADATA_SP900.png this is my friend's |
| 05:58.03 | Semlar | he just put that in his desktop |
| 05:58.24 | nilyaK | but it's lasted 5 years in a laptop, I can't really ask for more than that. |
| 05:59.38 | Semlar | aside from the graphics, the laptop is better than my desktop |
| 05:59.53 | Semlar | and i don't really plan on gaming on it |
| 05:59.58 | Rythal | I'd love to put an ssd into mine... but all 8 ports are full :/ |
| 06:00.08 | Semlar | raid 0 |
| 06:00.38 | Rythal | raid 10 |
| 06:00.49 | Rythal | 4 striped, 4 mirrored |
| 06:03.18 | Semlar | it has a 9 cell battery in it which can last 10-11 hours if i'm just doing something like reading an ebook |
| 06:04.11 | Semlar | i'm still trying to find a decent case for it |
| 06:04.13 | Rythal | but as a sorry for firing your ass parting gift... my boss is giving me my work computer, which besides video card is identical to this pc i'm on now... so it'll be time to redo / rework the config on both, so probably drop the raid 10 and look into ssd |
| 06:04.38 | Semlar | raid 0 ssds |
| 06:04.56 | End_ | I wish my work computer was anywhere near as good as my home computer :< |
| 06:05.25 | Arrowmaster | ask Shirik about his work computer |
| 06:05.34 | End_ | what if I don't want to |
| 06:05.35 | Shirik | my work computer is a god |
| 06:05.39 | Rythal | End: mine wasn't until i conned him into letting me run all our servers in vmware :P so we had to beef the system up |
| 06:05.46 | Shirik | but now some other people have a better computer than me :< |
| 06:05.52 | Shirik | I can't upgrade for like another year |
| 06:06.29 | End_ | more ram is definitely what I'd like most |
| 06:06.44 | Semlar | you can never have too much ram |
| 06:07.03 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 06:07.05 | Semlar | except when you have an ssd with limited space and windows decides since you have 16gb of ram you should have a 16gb page file |
| 06:07.16 | End_ | hm |
| 06:07.17 | End_ | yes |
| 06:07.19 | Shirik | I always turn off the page file |
| 06:07.25 | End_ | I might as well |
| 06:07.25 | Semlar | i set it to 1gb |
| 06:07.31 | Shirik | don't |
| 06:07.35 | Shirik | because Windows loves to use it |
| 06:07.44 | Semlar | if you turn off the pagefile and windows crashes it can't write anything |
| 06:07.45 | Shirik | even if you're down at like 5% |
| 06:07.57 | Shirik | do you honestly use that crash dump? |
| 06:07.58 | Rythal | I dunno about that... I have 24GB 1333 right now... another 32GB 1866 sitting on the table beside me cuz i'm to lazy to shut the system down and swap it... I think I might have to much ram :/ |
| 06:08.23 | Semlar | you can't have too much ram |
| 06:08.33 | Semlar | just set up a ramdisk |
| 06:08.43 | Semlar | load everything onto that |
| 06:08.47 | Arrowmaster | i only have 12gb in the broken desktop and 4gb in this laptop :( |
| 06:09.05 | Semlar | my laptop has twice as much ram as my desktop |
| 06:09.29 | Semlar | and really 8gb has never been an issue on my desktop |
| 06:09.34 | Rythal | but no matter how much ram you have.... 32bit apps with memory leaks still cause really annoying headaches.. *shakes fist at firefox* |
| 06:10.14 | End_ | hm |
| 06:10.18 | End_ | 21GB cached |
| 06:10.27 | End_ | in terms of RAM use |
| 06:10.29 | nilyaK | (10:06:52 PM) Shirik: do you honestly use that crash dump? |
| 06:10.29 | nilyaK | the ideal answer is no, the realistic answer is unfortunately sometimes. |
| 06:10.44 | Arrowmaster | you dont know bad till youve used firefox on linux |
| 06:10.55 | Shirik | I don't understand why Windows requires a page file for this |
| 06:11.01 | Shirik | as opposed to just knowing "hey this space is unused!" |
| 06:11.02 | End_ | it's not actually possible for me to have more RAM with this processor though |
| 06:11.20 | Semlar | well, i really haven't used the crash dump before since if i'm bluescreening it tells me what's wrong |
| 06:11.20 | End_ | not that I really want more RAM |
| 06:11.45 | Semlar | so i might just disable it entirely |
| 06:11.48 | Rythal | Arrow: I dont find firefox itself that bad... windows or linux, it's flash... leave a tab open with any kind of flash and it'll use up 3gb memory in no time |
| 06:11.50 | nilyaK | unless you're not AT the computer when it happens |
| 06:12.00 | End_ | yeah flash is bad for that |
| 06:12.01 | nevcairiel | disabling the pagefile is generally a bad idea |
| 06:12.03 | Semlar | if i'm not at the computer then it never happened |
| 06:12.05 | Shirik | what |
| 06:12.08 | Shirik | no it's not |
| 06:12.11 | nevcairiel | yes it is |
| 06:12.21 | Rythal | yes it is |
| 06:12.37 | Rythal | windows gets bitchy when it's disabled.... even if it's never ever going to use it... |
| 06:12.47 | Arrowmaster | Rythal: its not flash, firefox on linux will use about 20% ram no matter how much you have |
| 06:12.58 | Arrowmaster | minimum |
| 06:13.08 | End_ | I'm trying to find how much is actually swapped out, but I can't find any info on that |
| 06:13.09 | Shirik | Windows has never gotten bitchy at me |
| 06:13.19 | Rythal | ahh... I never really look at my memory usage since I know vmware is using it all, so never noticed |
| 06:13.23 | Shirik | and between Java and Windows's aggressive pagefile behavior |
| 06:13.29 | Shirik | my applications speed up immensely |
| 06:13.45 | End_ | windows does claim almost a gig of ram isn't being used for anything at all though, so I wouldn't think it swapped much out, if anything |
| 06:14.05 | nevcairiel | Unless you actually run low on ram, it doesnt go just randomly swap things out |
| 06:14.20 | Semlar | it uses the pagefile even when you're using no ram |
| 06:14.20 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 06:14.28 | Shirik | Windows is insane with its pagefile usage |
| 06:14.36 | nevcairiel | no it doesn't |
| 06:14.38 | nevcairiel | XP maybe does |
| 06:14.39 | Semlar | yes it does |
| 06:14.41 | End_ | why doesn't it? |
| 06:14.48 | Semlar | it shows it in the task manager |
| 06:14.58 | Rythal | depends on the windows version, that's the "improvement in memory" windows 7 brought to the table was for it to swap stuff your not using to keep system memory for tasks you are using |
| 06:14.59 | Semlar | you can see what it's paging |
| 06:15.06 | nevcairiel | task manager has no page file info for me |
| 06:15.11 | Semlar | it's under performance |
| 06:15.37 | End_ | mine only talks about physical memory |
| 06:15.40 | nevcairiel | if you mean the "paged" under kernel memory ... thats just pageable kernel memory, doesnt mean its actually in the page file :P |
| 06:15.42 | End_ | and kernel memory |
| 06:15.46 | End_ | yeah |
| 06:16.02 | End_ | also there's commit (GB) but no that's not it either |
| 06:16.14 | Semlar | open the resource monitor |
| 06:16.15 | Ackis | holy shit a golden eagle swoops down and grabs a baby, carries him for a few seconds and drops him (kid was okay) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE0Q904gtMI&feature=player_embedded |
| 06:16.18 | End_ | I guess it won't let stuff over commit |
| 06:16.43 | Dagmar | Eagle probably said "Wait... this thing smells like poop!" |
| 06:16.58 | End_ | oh yeah, windows will increase the page file size if it thinks it should, so that second number could change I guess |
| 06:17.13 | Rythal | In use 4.9GB Available 19GB. Commited 5.9/48GB Cached 2.1GB |
| 06:17.20 | End_ | where in the resource monitor does it show swap? |
| 06:17.32 | nevcairiel | it doesnt, not that i could find anyway |
| 06:17.33 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: i linked it 30 minutes ago |
| 06:17.42 | Ackis | oh |
| 06:22.23 | nevcairiel | What windows does is sometimes write stuff into the pagefile, but also keep that info in RAM, so it may cause some writing in the background, but not actually require reading again, which should not result in a slow down. |
| 06:23.03 | Shirik | all I can tell you is from experience, I have a Java app that eats up a ton of memory, and if it's minimized for a while, coming back to it takes forever |
| 06:23.06 | End_ | that sounds about as expected |
| 06:23.11 | Shirik | disabling the pagefile fixed that problem |
| 06:23.18 | Shirik | and it's not like I'm low on RAM, the thing is a beast |
| 06:23.41 | Rythal | it's not about ram, it's about windows doing what it's suppose to... you minimized it, so your not using it, so it went cached |
| 06:23.50 | Shirik | nevcairiel is claiming that doesn't happen |
| 06:23.52 | Shirik | I am disagreeing |
| 06:24.06 | Shirik | also cached is the wrong word |
| 06:24.09 | nevcairiel | that depends if windows can re-purpose the ram for other things |
| 06:24.24 | nevcairiel | besides, put a ssd in it and reading the pagefile is fast =P |
| 06:24.28 | Shirik | it has an SSD |
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| 06:24.42 | Shirik | though I think the pagefile wasn't on it because I need all that space |
| 06:24.50 | Semlar | not disabling the pagefile with an older ssd is a horrible idea |
| 06:25.03 | Semlar | i think they've mostly fixed that now though |
| 06:25.17 | Shirik | nevcairiel claims it shouldn't matter because Windows shouldn't be using it |
| 06:25.23 | Shirik | I agree it SHOULDN'T be using it, but I think it is |
| 06:25.39 | Semlar | well it writes to it extremely frequently which isn't that great for an ssd type device |
| 06:25.52 | Rythal | it does use it.... if it thinks the ram is better used for something else, it will move stuff to it. |
| 06:26.12 | Semlar | it will use it even when there's plenty of ram available |
| 06:26.18 | Shirik | If I have 32GB of RAM and I'm using 3 of it, you're going to be hard pressed to tell me it's "better used for something else" |
| 06:26.34 | Semlar | some things it just prefers to write to the pagefile |
| 06:26.38 | Shirik | exactly |
| 06:26.42 | Shirik | and this is why I disable the pagefile |
| 06:26.47 | Rythal | windows 8 even specifically says that right on the task manager "% of memory that is in use, but can be repurposed if needed or freed" |
| 06:26.54 | nevcairiel | eh stop the write wear-and-tear argument for SSDs, once you think about how much you need to write with current models, the lifetime will still be very long :p |
| 06:27.06 | Shirik | that's not my argument |
| 06:27.09 | Shirik | my argument is it's writing at all |
| 06:27.10 | Semlar | i said older ssds |
| 06:27.12 | Shirik | it is wasting time |
| 06:27.19 | End_ | I dunno, if it sees pages that are never getting touched, it sounds reasonable to swap them out |
| 06:27.31 | Shirik | no |
| 06:27.32 | Shirik | it is not |
| 06:27.45 | End_ | your issue sounds odd though, since I wouldn't think it would have anything better to replace them with |
| 06:27.49 | Shirik | if I still have 90% of my memory there is no way I'm going to allocate all of that faster than it's worth paging out early |
| 06:27.53 | End_ | if the machine is just sitting idle |
| 06:28.02 | Shirik | It wasn't idle, don't get me wrong |
| 06:28.08 | Shirik | just that app that takes a lot of memory was doing nothing |
| 06:28.19 | nevcairiel | 3gb is a lot already? you have odd definitions |
| 06:28.26 | Shirik | so I can see a naive OS saying "time to swap it out" |
| 06:28.35 | stuf | 3GB is a lot. if it's a browser that uses that amount. |
| 06:28.50 | Shirik | nevcairiel: That app eating up 3GB is stupid |
| 06:28.58 | Shirik | but that's a completely different topic |
| 06:28.59 | Shirik | I can't fix that |
| 06:29.03 | End_ | the only thing that uses that much on my machine is a VM ;-p |
| 06:29.13 | Rythal | ummmm java? using 3GB? if it's not the 64bit JRE then yeah it's gunna cache it... that's hitting limits |
| 06:29.25 | Shirik | I don't believe the JRE has the right to tell the OS what to do |
| 06:29.42 | Shirik | if it was the JRE doing it, then disabling the page file would have no effect |
| 06:29.47 | Shirik | because this is a transparent thing to applications |
| 06:29.52 | Dagmar | yep |
| 06:29.52 | nevcairiel | Win32 API does define hints on memory allocation where apps can hint at what to do with its memory =p |
| 06:29.59 | End_ | you can definitely tell windows what to do |
| 06:30.23 | End_ | actually I was just looking at the VirtualLock method :P |
| 06:30.38 | End_ | s/method/system call/ |
| 06:30.53 | End_ | I was really curious if there might be some other general system tunable though |
| 06:31.01 | End_ | like a registry entry or something like that |
| 06:31.11 | End_ | similar to linux's swappiness sysctl |
| 06:31.24 | nevcairiel | i dont think so |
| 06:31.37 | End_ | yeah I didn't find one |
| 06:32.03 | End_ | the behavior is probably different in ways I probably don't understand anyway though |
| 06:32.16 | Arrowmaster | there used to be a windows reg setting to tell it how aggressive to swap |
| 06:32.25 | Shirik | HKLM\DontUseCrappyAlgorithm=1 |
| 06:32.30 | Rythal | it has nothing to do with java... it's the memory, anytime *any* 32bit program on my system gets close to 3gb memory used my entire system goes to shit as it starts caching. |
| 06:32.43 | Shirik | you seem to believe this is a 32-bit program |
| 06:32.53 | Shirik | furthermore, if it was, you have a completely separate problem |
| 06:33.07 | Shirik | you can't just "make more space" by suddenly swapping memory out |
| 06:33.11 | nevcairiel | i had nothing but bad experience with the 64-bit JVM on Windows, personally =p |
| 06:33.17 | Shirik | if it's a 32-bit program and you go past the 4GB limit, you die |
| 06:33.20 | Shirik | period |
| 06:33.26 | End_ | I've had generally bad experiences with java in general |
| 06:33.29 | Shirik | ^ |
| 06:34.08 | Shirik | to be fair, I bet this problem also exists in visual studio |
| 06:34.10 | End_ | and typically the application only gets 2GB of its address space for its own use, unless you set some flag that can increase it to 3GB |
| 06:34.18 | Shirik | however visual studio doesn't take nearly GBs of space, it's only on the order of 300MB |
| 06:34.19 | End_ | (32bit app of course) |
| 06:34.59 | Rythal | *shrugs* can't say about making space or not, I just know firefox, outlook, wow ... doesn't matter the app, if i leave them running for long enough, and they start using 2-3GB of memory, my entire system starts to lock because it's writing non-stop to the hard drive, so I know it's time to kill the process and start it again. |
| 06:35.22 | Shirik | End_: To be fair, the app still "owns" that space :) |
| 06:35.31 | Shirik | it just can't really be "allocated" because it's being used for something else |
| 06:35.53 | End_ | yeah I guess that's fair |
| 06:35.57 | nevcairiel | with my pagefile on my ssd, i really never notice such things, even when leaving some app running in the background for hours |
| 06:36.10 | Shirik | I can't use the SSD as a pagefile |
| 06:36.19 | Shirik | and I probably can't convince IT to get me another SSD just for a pagefile |
| 06:36.53 | Semlar | more importantly why /not/ disable the pagefile |
| 06:37.00 | Rythal | wish I had the cash to burn to buy one for pagefile... i know my dad just grabbed a 64GB for his pagefile & adobe scratch disk |
| 06:37.45 | Shirik | my home computer combines my 16GB SSD and my 2TB drive |
| 06:37.46 | Shirik | works really well |
| 06:37.58 | Shirik | I imagine if I had the pagefile enabled it would pretty much be only on the SSD |
| 06:38.23 | Rythal | Semlar: to many nightmares from XP & disabling it, they may of fixed windows being bitchy about it... but i still don't trust it |
| 06:38.46 | Semlar | i need some like actual specific reasons |
| 06:38.59 | Shirik | if you trust the internet, it's "BUT YOUR PROGRAMS MIGHT CRASH" |
| 06:39.10 | Shirik | to which my response is "if my program is taking that much memory it deserves to crash" |
| 06:39.20 | Semlar | i have seen 2 so far which are the dangers of running out of ram, and the crash report not writing to the drive |
| 06:39.44 | Semlar | if i manage to crash from running out of ram i'll enable it again, it's not that complicated |
| 06:39.50 | Shirik | I actually have seen a kernel panic from running out of RAM once |
| 06:40.01 | Shirik | well that's my believed reason for it |
| 06:40.08 | Shirik | I forget what the actual cause was |
| 06:40.17 | Shirik | but my response was "yep, seems like they test this condition a lot." |
| 06:40.20 | karl_w_w | i leave firefox running for weeks at a time and it doesnt chew more memory over time |
| 06:40.22 | Semlar | but the odds of consuming 16gb of ram on my LAPTOP are ridiculously low |
| 06:41.11 | Semlar | i've had firefox open for the last 70 days and it's using 1.2gb of ram |
| 06:41.20 | Rythal | I went to waterfox over firefox, just to get away from adobe's crap memory leaks |
| 06:41.24 | Shirik | I hate firefox |
| 06:41.25 | Shirik | but |
| 06:41.32 | End_ | I'm more or less in the same boat, where the page file generally doesn't make a sigificant difference |
| 06:41.32 | Shirik | I think most of the crap Firefox gets is because of plugins |
| 06:41.40 | Rythal | it is |
| 06:41.46 | End_ | generally it's useful for clearing out inactive pages quickly |
| 06:41.56 | End_ | when you're not overcommiting real memory |
| 06:41.57 | karl_w_w | i like firefox cos it's the only browser that has all the features i want |
| 06:42.00 | Semlar | it's ironic because plugins are also the main reason i use firefox |
| 06:42.04 | End_ | but all my memory goes towards disk caching already |
| 06:42.30 | End_ | (well, a lot of it...like half unless I'm pulling up more VMs than normal) |
| 06:43.38 | Rythal | now linux... linux knows how to use memory >< just looked at top.... Mem: 16GB total 7.8GB used, Swap: 10GB total 2.4k used |
| 06:45.04 | stuf | I think nowadays browser choice is just between the ones that suck the least. |
| 06:45.25 | End_ | I dunno, I think browsers are a lot better than they used to be |
| 06:45.30 | Rythal | waterfox! all the benefits of firefox & it's plugins, all the goodness of 64-bit! |
| 06:45.40 | End_ | although I liked older versions of firefox better than the versions before I switched to chrome |
| 06:46.06 | End_ | I haven't used it significantly outside of testing in a while though |
| 06:46.14 | stuf | It just feels ridiculous that I've got a web browser, that's taking up more memory than doing an intensive photon simulation in mental ray. |
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| 06:46.36 | karl_w_w | simulations = cpu intensive |
| 06:46.54 | stuf | also, memory intensive |
| 06:46.59 | stuf | depending on the size of your map |
| 06:47.00 | Rythal | blame flash... browsers are low memory usage until flash crap |
| 06:47.04 | karl_w_w | dozens of content rich web pages open in tabs = mem intensive |
| 06:47.14 | End_ | firefox has also had issues with memory fragmentation |
| 06:47.20 | End_ | although that's better now |
| 06:47.29 | stuf | facebook alone gobbles up around 960MB of memory, without using plugins |
| 06:47.51 | Rythal | since 16 it's been fixed... now you can see through plugin-container what firefox is using, and what crap is using |
| 06:47.52 | stuf | but that's leaking tho |
| 06:48.08 | karl_w_w | when i tried chrome the other day i had firefox open with 8 tabs and it was using half the ram of chrome, which i had just launched and had no tabs open |
| 06:48.12 | karl_w_w | so, really |
| 06:48.16 | nilyaK | I enjoy addons in firefox more than chrome but then I manually check for updates at least daily. |
| 06:48.18 | Arrowmaster | im still on 10, maybe i should upgrade |
| 06:48.52 | stuf | but most of the reasons why i'm still using firefox is because of firebug. |
| 06:48.54 | karl_w_w | i've had few issues on firefox beta |
| 06:49.20 | Semlar | firebug has a version for chrome |
| 06:49.28 | End_ | if it wasn't for my chrome extensions, chrome and firefox would be using the same amount of memory with one page open |
| 06:49.33 | nevcairiel | chrome has a built-in firebug =p |
| 06:49.35 | Rythal | right now, with 26 tabs open, after 24 hours ... my browser is 600MB, plugins: 24MB |
| 06:49.58 | karl_w_w | firefox has a built in firebug too now, doesn't it? |
| 06:50.03 | End_ | ehhh |
| 06:50.08 | karl_w_w | and it has that funky 3d source viewer thing |
| 06:50.12 | End_ | it has some DOM navigation |
| 06:50.14 | stuf | karl_w_w: yeah, somewhat but still... not really on par with firebug. |
| 06:50.19 | stuf | just the dom nav |
| 06:50.21 | stuf | er, like End_ said |
| 06:50.26 | Semlar | if chrome had a built in firebug they wouldn't have made a firebug for chrome |
| 06:50.39 | nilyaK | idk, they made google maps for iphone |
| 06:50.40 | nilyaK | :P |
| 06:50.59 | stuf | oh shit, i was supposed to get going to work. |
| 06:51.03 | nevcairiel | nilyaK: because apple maps will make you drive into a canyon? |
| 06:51.06 | Semlar | i don't even know what the chrome firebug is capable of |
| 06:51.16 | Arrowmaster | im going to try iceweasel 17 from debian experimental |
| 06:51.21 | End_ | probably more than firebug |
| 06:51.22 | karl_w_w | or the middle of the bush, if in australia |
| 06:51.29 | End_ | unless they integrated the debugger into firebug now |
| 06:51.31 | nilyaK | now now, maps don't drive you into canyons people drive themselves into canyons |
| 06:51.39 | Rythal | seriously... if your using firefox, try out waterfox. |
| 06:51.40 | nilyaK | if they weren't using their phone while driving... |
| 06:52.07 | karl_w_w | u said waterfox = 64bit, my os is 32 bit :P |
| 06:52.32 | Rythal | ahh.. yeah that could be an issue :P |
| 06:53.06 | End_ | oh ok, firebug does have a js debugger now |
| 06:53.21 | End_ | that probably dates me |
| 06:53.24 | nevcairiel | didnt it have that for a long time already? |
| 06:53.29 | karl_w_w | but really, chrome only reinforced my belief that firefox isn't perfect, but there's nothing better :P |
| 06:53.42 | nevcairiel | chrome works much smoother for me then firefox |
| 06:53.53 | Semlar | http://sourceforge.net/projects/waterfoxproj that's a lot of thumbs down in the user ratings |
| 06:54.00 | End_ | I probably last used firebug significantly about 4 or 5 years ago |
| 06:54.07 | karl_w_w | iirc firefox itself used to have a js debugger |
| 06:54.11 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: probably because flash doesnt work on it |
| 06:54.14 | End_ | I don't remember that |
| 06:54.26 | End_ | I had to install venkman |
| 06:54.29 | End_ | to get a debugger |
| 06:54.47 | End_ | it worked, although it seemed kinda clunky |
| 06:54.54 | Semlar | i'm not quite ready to give up on flash |
| 06:55.01 | nevcairiel | really, a few month ago firefox was crashing on a daily basis on me at work because they somehow screwed up their plugin interface and flash was crashing it. Sure, you could blame flash, but i still needed a browser at work which can show flash without dying. :P |
| 06:55.08 | Arrowmaster | at least im guessing there would be issues with flash |
| 06:55.14 | karl_w_w | i cant feed my youtube habit adequately without flash |
| 06:55.22 | Rythal | Flash works fine on waterfox |
| 06:55.40 | Semlar | rythal explain how these ratings are 92% negative |
| 06:55.52 | End_ | chrome's developer tools has a few more tabs than what firebug has |
| 06:56.01 | karl_w_w | that may have been when they adobe introduced flash protected mode nevcairiel |
| 06:56.14 | End_ | although firebug does html and css seperate, and to get it in chrome, you have to go to resources |
| 06:56.18 | nevcairiel | maybe, but firefox didnt manage to deal with it for month |
| 06:56.36 | karl_w_w | i dealt with it, i turned off protected mode :P |
| 06:57.06 | Rythal | like anything projects have to grow.... the early versions probably did suck... I just looked over the comments and saw mention of v9 ... v6, I only started using it 3 weeks ago with v16 and it's done everything firefox ever did without flaw. |
| 06:57.10 | karl_w_w | it still slows things down a bit if i turn it back on |
| 06:57.12 | nevcairiel | with chrome i just dont have to think about flash, google thinks for me :) |
| 06:57.33 | Semlar | yeah.. their source code is also not posted here |
| 06:57.51 | Semlar | which is probably the main reason for these thumbs down |
| 06:57.57 | karl_w_w | lets just all go use lynx |
| 06:58.08 | karl_w_w | who needs this crap |
| 06:58.41 | Semlar | so this isn't actually open source |
| 06:59.00 | nevcairiel | Semlar: plenty people just click the thumbs down on reason of "another clone of firefox" or similar |
| 06:59.22 | nevcairiel | you can be open source and only hand out the source when asked for it =p |
| 06:59.46 | karl_w_w | depends on the license |
| 06:59.56 | Semlar | at least one person claimed it contained a virus |
| 07:01.28 | karl_w_w | one person will claim anything contains a virus |
| 07:01.32 | Rythal | AVG pays them... that's gotta be some of the thumbs down aswell |
| 07:01.43 | karl_w_w | i have seen people complain youtube videos contain a virus |
| 07:01.49 | Semlar | http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r27477856-Waterfox-15-Trojan- |
| 07:02.11 | Semlar | well there at least seems to be an issue between it an avg |
| 07:02.34 | Rythal | vipre called it a virus? that's a laugh, vipre is a virus pretty much |
| 07:02.37 | nevcairiel | http://sourceforge.net/p/waterfoxproj/code/commit_browser .. only on initial commit from september, but its not completely in the dark =P |
| 07:03.26 | Rythal | they take the official mozilla source, and compile it themselves with optomizations & 64 bit.. so there really isn't a source to download |
| 07:04.02 | karl_w_w | if people wanted to show anything they would upload it to virustotal |
| 07:04.03 | Semlar | so it's just firefox compiled differently |
| 07:04.10 | Rythal | exactly |
| 07:04.12 | nevcairiel | just compiling it differently doesn't make a day and night difference |
| 07:04.46 | Semlar | if they can optimize it that much why don't they just do it to firefox.. |
| 07:04.59 | karl_w_w | i doubt tou could get a diy/night distinction better than firefox |
| 07:05.13 | Rythal | because firefox needs to run on every os and compile for every os |
| 07:06.23 | End_ | it sounds like the difference is that they just don't compile a 64bit version |
| 07:07.18 | Semlar | rythal how much faster is it |
| 07:07.50 | Semlar | http://www.waterfoxproject.org/benchmarks.php nevermind |
| 07:08.03 | Rythal | firefox I had to force close and restart every 2 days... waterfox i've never had to close and still only using 600M of memory (24 tabs) after 3 weeks |
| 07:08.17 | nevcairiel | honestly, thats nothing a compiler can change :p |
| 07:08.20 | nevcairiel | they must be doing more |
| 07:08.35 | nevcairiel | either it leaks memory or it doesnt |
| 07:08.38 | Semlar | they're "optimizing" it but i don't know what that means |
| 07:08.56 | Semlar | Waterfox was compiled with Intel's C++ Compiler with the following optimisations: Intel's Math Library, SSE3, AVX for supported Intel processors, jemalloc, Profile-Guided Optimisation and the /O3 switch. |
| 07:09.44 | End_ | I thought firefox used jemalloc too |
| 07:09.52 | nevcairiel | i personally dont trust intels compiler, its over-optimized and miscompiles quite a bunch of things, it does however produce slightly faster code |
| 07:10.24 | nevcairiel | also re those benchmarks, i think its funny that the V8 benchmark is faster in the firefox build :D |
| 07:10.46 | nilyaK | least they're not lying to cover it up |
| 07:11.12 | Semlar | maybe it's a confidence trick |
| 07:11.33 | End_ | hm? the only one that looks like that to me is the webvizbenchmark |
| 07:11.53 | Ackis | Cairenn: http://i.imgur.com/mRvnw.jpg |
| 07:12.05 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 07:28.24 | karl_w_w | fuck it, I'm not doing christmas cards |
| 07:28.39 | karl_w_w | i hate them and they're pointless |
| 07:28.56 | karl_w_w | they can all burn in the firey pits of Fisker |
| 07:30.41 | nilyaK | standard christmas cards actually have 4 points one on each of the corners. |
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| 07:34.01 | karl_w_w | i was talking about the sort of point that could be used to run family members through, nilyaK |
| 07:35.10 | nilyaK | oh |
| 07:35.27 | nilyaK | yea you might need something you know, sharper. |
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| 08:04.18 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || 2 days to the end of the world, make peace with your beliefs! |
| 08:06.47 | Rythal | but... my belief will never come true :/ |
| 08:07.39 | zenzio | I find your lack of faith disturbing |
| 08:08.26 | Rythal | it's only 2 days.... not enough time. |
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| 08:26.09 | Shirik | ~weather k4s2 |
| 08:26.16 | Shirik | YOU LIE |
| 08:26.21 | Shirik | regardless, it's 27 degrees |
| 08:26.22 | Shirik | wtf |
| 08:27.32 | zenzio | ~weather encn |
| 08:27.46 | zenzio | hm, felt warmer |
| 08:28.55 | jnwhiteh | ~weather 02485 |
| 08:29.01 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 08:29.32 | jnwhiteh | the three stations actually near me in stockholm don't have ICAO codes, apparently |
| 08:29.40 | jnwhiteh | ~weather ESKN |
| 08:30.01 | nevcairiel | ICAO codes are for airports, not strictly all weather stations |
| 08:30.11 | jnwhiteh | what are the number codes, then? |
| 08:30.11 | Shirik | sounds like jnwhiteh is getting snow |
| 08:30.14 | jnwhiteh | ther'e sone right next to my house |
| 08:30.27 | Shirik | I actually have no idea what 02485 is |
| 08:30.37 | jnwhiteh | http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nsd_lookup.pl?station=02485 |
| 08:30.47 | jnwhiteh | the WMO index number |
| 08:30.50 | Shirik | guess it's just some random weather station |
| 08:30.58 | Shirik | yeah ICAO codes are an airport thing |
| 08:31.02 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 08:31.28 | Shirik | tbh the fact that we so closely link aviation and weather is a problem |
| 08:31.33 | Shirik | but it's pretty much the norm |
| 08:35.32 | Sintacks | 6 hours of raiding some how makes WoW use 3GB of ram |
| 08:35.45 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/1CEFv |
| 08:36.34 | Shirik | do local t = {}; CreateFrame("FRAME"):SetScript("OnUpdate", function() t[#t] = {} end); |
| 08:36.38 | Shirik | end |
| 08:36.44 | Shirik | should do a decent job of it over about 3 hours |
| 08:36.53 | Kalroth | Sintacks: now do the same without any external addons :) |
| 08:37.05 | Sintacks | lol |
| 08:37.16 | Sintacks | dafuq, Shadowed |
| 08:37.19 | Sintacks | Shirik* |
| 08:37.21 | Sintacks | fuck tab abuse |
| 08:37.23 | Sintacks | I have used the tab key 99,025 times. |
| 08:37.29 | Sintacks | need 1k |
| 08:37.39 | Shirik | also t[#t] should actually be t[#t+1] |
| 08:37.45 | Shirik | this is why TDD is a good thing |
| 08:37.51 | Shirik | always remember to write unit tests for your memory leaks |
| 08:38.25 | Sintacks | addons were actually not using too much |
| 08:38.31 | Sintacks | ~250mb |
| 08:38.43 | Sintacks | i never reset recount |
| 08:38.48 | Sintacks | heh |
| 08:39.57 | Shirik | I love how today we live in a world where you can say "Oh, it's only using 250MB" |
| 08:40.12 | Shirik | like think about what that means |
| 08:40.25 | Shirik | it means you are using (more than) 250 MILLION transisitors |
| 08:40.42 | Shirik | actually |
| 08:40.49 | Shirik | you're using 250 million D gates huh |
| 08:41.11 | Shirik | flip flops |
| 08:41.13 | Shirik | it's 1 AM |
| 08:41.15 | Shirik | I should go to bed |
| 08:46.01 | pompy | psh |
| 08:46.26 | Sintacks | lol |
| 08:46.28 | Sintacks | go to sleep |
| 08:46.30 | Sintacks | i shoul dmyself |
| 08:46.31 | Sintacks | setawsy asle |
| 08:46.32 | Sintacks | er |
| 08:46.46 | pompy | lol |
| 08:47.02 | sintAcks | that was me failing at /setaway sleep |
| 08:47.26 | nevcairiel | we figured |
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| 09:46.57 | zenzio | "Is it Eowyn or Merry who kills the Lord of the Nazgul (or both)?" -- "Obviously, they split the xp. " |
| 09:50.48 | Humbedooh | :3 |
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| 10:18.20 | chiel | morning |
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| 11:13.48 | karl_w_w | i wish there was some sort of global opt-out database where you fill in a form that says something along the lines of "i am not an apple sheeple, i do not own an idevice, there is no point advertising ipod docks and ipad cases and iphone penis extensions to me" |
| 11:16.08 | zenzio | Apple is paying them to push you into surrendering and buying all the iDevices |
| 11:20.33 | bluspacecow | BUY ALL THE THINGS |
| 11:21.02 | karl_w_w | fuckyea |
| 11:21.03 | Humbedooh | buys a blue cow |
| 11:21.11 | Humbedooh | an iCow! |
| 11:21.19 | Humbedooh | that's blue! |
| 11:21.27 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 11:21.28 | karl_w_w | this web form i have right here works good |
| 11:21.33 | Maldivia | "iphone penis extensions"... I don't want to know... |
| 11:21.36 | bluspacecow | oh noes! |
| 11:21.39 | karl_w_w | you click submit and nothin happens |
| 11:21.46 | bluspacecow | heh that's weird. |
| 11:21.50 | karl_w_w | world is full of shithouse web devs |
| 11:22.25 | bluspacecow | according to my latest search of the MPQ files for wow there are no .wav files in the MPQ files anymore. yet playsoundfile macros with .wav sounds play fine O_o |
| 11:22.50 | karl_w_w | maybe they get converted |
| 11:23.30 | karl_w_w | didnt they change everything to ogg at some point? |
| 11:23.37 | bluspacecow | they did indeed |
| 11:23.43 | karl_w_w | when the streaming launcher came out or something |
| 11:24.03 | bluspacecow | my point is they patched playsoundfile to play the ogg version of the file when given a .wav that doesn't exist |
| 11:24.11 | bluspacecow | not even in the Data -> Cache files |
| 11:24.24 | karl_w_w | so they probably said "well hell, this is gonna break a lot of shit" well, if sum1 asks to play something.wav lets just check for something.anything |
| 11:24.42 | bluspacecow | and found one with a .ogg |
| 11:24.51 | bluspacecow | *find |
| 11:27.38 | Maldivia | mpq files are based on hashes and lookup tables - all they have to do is add an entry in the lookup table for the .wav to point to the .ogg, and problem solved |
| 11:27.50 | bluspacecow | ah easy solution |
| 11:28.35 | karl_w_w | jeez bluspacecow why don't you say what you really think |
| 11:28.44 | bluspacecow | imma cow |
| 11:29.00 | bluspacecow | i don't always say what I should say to convey what im thinking |
| 11:33.18 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow what's my favourite filum? |
| 11:33.29 | bluspacecow | filum ? |
| 11:33.33 | bluspacecow | black sheep |
| 11:33.43 | karl_w_w | googles |
| 11:33.43 | Humbedooh | filum = irish dialect :3 |
| 11:33.48 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 11:34.20 | karl_w_w | i havent seen black sheep, and that doesnt seem like it |
| 11:35.29 | karl_w_w | you see i know what im getting for christmas, and it means most of the movies i have ripped to hard drives have the wrong number of audio channels |
| 11:37.40 | foxlit | "karl_w_w: i wish there was some sort of global opt-out database where you fill in a form that says something along the lines of "i am not an apple sheeple, i do not own an idevice, there is no point advertising ipod docks and ipad cases and iphone penis extensions to me"" << cute. But you probably know someone with iEverything, and it's that time of year. |
| 11:39.17 | karl_w_w | but it's all year foxlit |
| 11:39.45 | karl_w_w | and happily I don't |
| 11:39.58 | karl_w_w | at least, nobody I would consider buying a gift for |
| 11:47.57 | karl_w_w | there were scenes in the avengers that had subtitles? i dont remember any |
| 12:11.28 | karl_w_w | apparently shutter island has an amazing 5.1 soundtrack, might re-rip that |
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| 13:12.19 | Kalroth | good cup |
| 13:15.02 | karl_w_w | haha |
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| 14:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, the age-old geek problem - what/how to replace my dying laptop with... |
| 14:48.07 | karl_w_w | that is not a geek problem |
| 14:48.25 | karl_w_w | that's a wannabe geek problem |
| 14:48.42 | karl_w_w | a geek problem is what do i replace my dying desktop |
| 14:48.46 | karl_w_w | with |
| 14:51.13 | Lopeppeppy | If a geek is tied to their desktop that badly, they need to cut the apron strings and be freeeeeee. |
| 14:53.24 | zenzio | geeks with aprons? o_O |
| 14:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh huh. |
| 14:55.55 | Lopeppeppy | I'm looking at cheap refurb notebooks - it's not like I do more than web surfing and some light word/photo processing. |
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| 15:42.31 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 15:42.35 | haste | gotten your nexus 4 yet? |
| 15:42.48 | Fisker | yeah about a year ago |
| 15:43.07 | haste | ooooooooh! |
| 15:43.20 | haste | I could have picked mine up today :V |
| 15:43.22 | karl_w_w | my nexus 4 arrived today |
| 15:43.43 | karl_w_w | but it doesnt work |
| 15:43.47 | Fisker | why not pick it up haste ? |
| 15:43.49 | karl_w_w | so i sent it back |
| 15:43.51 | Stanzilla | why karl_w_w |
| 15:44.05 | haste | because its one hour away from me Fisker :P |
| 15:44.10 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 15:44.13 | karl_w_w | 1 hour? |
| 15:44.18 | haste | at work =/ |
| 15:44.19 | karl_w_w | where is your commitment man |
| 15:44.32 | haste | I'm resting at my parents place after surgery! |
| 15:44.45 | haste | but probably picking it up tomorrow :3 |
| 15:44.55 | karl_w_w | surgery smurgery |
| 15:45.17 | haste | now to find some mindless entertainment ~ |
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| 15:45.45 | karl_w_w | make a voodoo doll of Fisker |
| 15:46.00 | haste | already done |
| 15:46.17 | haste | also made a voodoo doll of his phone, so I can destroy it |
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| 15:50.39 | Fisker | so where did you get it haste ? |
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| 15:53.01 | haste | dustin |
| 15:57.10 | karl_w_w | hoffman? |
| 15:57.35 | foxlit | browder. |
| 15:58.05 | karl_w_w | no need to get testy |
| 15:59.22 | Fisker | i once killed a guy karl_w_w |
| 15:59.24 | Fisker | man haste |
| 16:00.36 | karl_w_w | man the haste, we're goin in |
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| 16:07.53 | karl_w_w | and here's Unkle, just in time to save the day |
| 16:08.53 | karl_w_w | damn you and your hero complex, Unkle |
| 16:10.04 | Unkle | Hero Complex? Me? I'm always the villain in the story. |
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| 16:18.02 | Lopeppeppy | The villain goes to jail while the hero goes free. |
| 16:18.06 | karl_w_w | this time next year we'll be miwyunairs |
| 16:18.34 | Unkle | Now is the winter of my discontent. |
| 16:19.12 | karl_w_w | incontentinence? |
| 16:20.33 | Unkle | Now is the winter of our discontent / Made glorious summer by this son of York; / And all the clouds that low'r'd upon our house / In the deep bosom of the ocean buried. |
| 16:26.47 | Shirik | now is the winter of snow |
| 16:26.55 | Shirik | because snooooow |
| 16:26.58 | Shirik | yay |
| 16:27.05 | mckenziemc | stabs Shirik |
| 16:27.29 | mckenziemc | snow is cold :( |
| 16:27.39 | Shirik | you're not supposed to go in it naked |
| 16:27.55 | mckenziemc | no but i'm supposed to heat a house in it sometimes |
| 16:28.03 | Unkle | There was frost/ice this morning. The thermometer in my truck said "ICE". The vines are all frosted with it. But it reminds me that i need to get some gloves. |
| 16:29.09 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: welcome to somewhere other than texas |
| 16:29.13 | Shirik | my car is much more polite |
| 16:29.21 | Shirik | it says "Ice Possible. Drive With Care." |
| 16:29.38 | Thunder_Child | Ice is always possible |
| 16:29.52 | Shirik | I think it makes the assumption that we're not operating in a vacuum |
| 16:30.08 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck, got a phone call to verifiy we received a phone book in good condition |
| 16:30.17 | Thunder_Child | pfft, your car should not be making assumptions |
| 16:30.22 | Arrowmaster | i said probably and the guy didnt give a fuck |
| 16:30.34 | Shirik | oh wait, it's very high pressures that make it become ice |
| 16:30.36 | Shirik | http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/images/phase.gif |
| 16:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | I turn to a gas under pressure, yup. |
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| 16:30.58 | foxlit | Lei Shi is a cruel joke to bears. |
| 16:31.04 | Lopeppeppy | Welcome to the frozen north, Unkle! |
| 16:31.07 | foxlit | You can't use AoE abilities without a target. |
| 16:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | AoE's the carpet under foxlit. Target enough? |
| 16:32.17 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: Invalid Target. |
| 16:32.26 | Lopeppeppy | Carpet am not target? How sad. |
| 16:32.39 | foxlit | or maybe You cannot attack that target. |
| 16:32.50 | Unkle | It's a doodad, and not a unit. |
| 16:34.33 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy: found another amazingly shitty movie for you to watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1233493/ |
| 16:35.34 | Thunder_Child | even worse than iron sky |
| 16:38.14 | karl_w_w | phone booth is the worst film i've ever seen |
| 16:38.43 | karl_w_w | or maybe clash of the titans in below it |
| 16:40.36 | Unkle | This - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115693/ - is the worst film ever. It is the standard by which I rate all bad films. |
| 16:41.15 | karl_w_w | yeah but what's the best bad film? |
| 16:41.35 | Unkle | Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. |
| 16:41.39 | karl_w_w | as in the film that's most entertaining purely for its badness |
| 16:42.22 | Unkle | yes. |
| 16:42.31 | Lopeppeppy | 13th Warrior. |
| 16:42.33 | Maldivia | Unkle: I thought Glitter or Gigli was considered the worst films ever? |
| 16:43.07 | Lopeppeppy | TC, there's no description. How do I know how many tomatoes to throw? |
| 16:43.18 | karl_w_w | i thought in general opinion it was the taking of pelham 123 |
| 16:44.24 | karl_w_w | my favourite good for being bad is broken arrow |
| 16:45.25 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De29KipeZQw just look at that |
| 16:45.32 | karl_w_w | terrible acting everywhere |
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| 16:47.28 | chiel | what a splendid trailer |
| 16:47.29 | chiel | long, too |
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| 16:47.59 | chiel | "you're out of your mind" "yeah... ain't it cool" |
| 16:48.00 | chiel | ahahahah |
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| 16:55.17 | karl_w_w | there was a time when an action movie could be full of terrible acting and gaping plot holes, as long as it was silly and action packed |
| 16:55.24 | karl_w_w | broken arrow was neither |
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| 16:56.57 | karl_w_w | demolition man is a great example of a fantastic movie of that ilk :D |
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| 17:09.26 | chiel | haha yeah |
| 17:09.34 | chiel | i liked universal soldier as well |
| 17:09.37 | chiel | despite being really bad |
| 17:09.43 | chiel | (that was years ago though :p) |
| 17:11.35 | karl_w_w | anything with dolph actbot in it is fine by me |
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| 17:15.36 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUqIuwOEzI rofl |
| 17:23.49 | Neffi | BC: When compelling zone design meant cramming as many mobs into as small a space as possible |
| 17:26.28 | karl_w_w | don't knock BC, BC was king and perfect and you are a fool! |
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| 17:27.55 | Neffi | in other ways BC was good |
| 17:28.13 | Neffi | not when it comes to leveling, farming, or really anything to do with being out in the world |
| 17:28.41 | mckenziemc | i liked BC leveling D: |
| 17:29.21 | karl_w_w | we've come a long long way together, through the hard times and the good |
| 17:29.38 | karl_w_w | i have to celebrate you baby, i have to praise you like i should |
| 17:29.42 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 17:30.17 | karl_w_w | wait what is this o.o |
| 17:30.30 | karl_w_w | dont tell me mckenziemc has never heard praise you before |
| 17:31.07 | mckenziemc | i have |
| 17:31.45 | karl_w_w | that's ok then |
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| 17:46.36 | chiel | karl_w_w: lol dolph actbot |
| 17:47.53 | chiel | ahahah that double impact trailer |
| 17:47.58 | chiel | so splendid |
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| 17:51.05 | Ackis | I hope Torhal is hung over today! |
| 17:52.31 | Maldivia | as opposed to yesterday? |
| 17:53.10 | Stanzilla | (or every other day of the week) |
| 17:53.33 | AcidWeb | http://i1.kwejk.pl/site_media/obrazki/2012/12/3156065ddfbb1e027f664f25de50e56b_original.jpeg?1355922054 |
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| 18:03.16 | chiel | if you use UIscale in the game, does that basically just do SetScale() on the UIParent or so? |
| 18:03.32 | Xandr | yep |
| 18:03.40 | Xandr | at least I think so :) |
| 18:03.54 | Xandr | so take this with a grain of salt… or two |
| 18:05.43 | Xandr | Looking at my UI, I find UIParent:SetScale(768/1440) - i did that because I couldn't set UIScale low enough, so the answer is indeed yes. :) |
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| 18:08.55 | VIad | I heard scaling is not needed anymore, no? |
| 18:09.45 | Stanzilla | the only thing that changed is that the default ui scale (off) is the correct one for your resolution |
| 18:09.54 | VIad | jupp |
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| 18:13.23 | chiel | Xandr: hah, low enough? how small do you want it?! O.o |
| 18:14.28 | chiel | i already find it a hassle sometimes to read regular text :p |
| 18:14.37 | chiel | i need a good font for wow |
| 18:14.41 | chiel | anyone have suggestions? |
| 18:15.08 | Semlar | frizqt |
| 18:15.34 | chiel | hmm, not really a bit fan of the default fonts |
| 18:15.53 | Semlar | what are you a fan of |
| 18:16.33 | Semlar | http://www.dafont.com/ |
| 18:16.36 | chiel | dunno :D |
| 18:16.45 | chiel | hm, shoot |
| 18:16.48 | chiel | didn't notice the time |
| 18:16.52 | chiel | time to go home! |
| 18:16.56 | chiel | cya :) |
| 18:17.03 | Semlar | have fun |
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| 18:24.04 | karl_w_w | chiel I use the sauciestly named addon for my wow font, tekticles |
| 18:24.28 | karl_w_w | which makes everything calibri |
| 18:25.57 | TC-work | I am fairly sure tekkub set up some contraption that every time that gets downloaded he gets fondled. |
| 18:26.34 | karl_w_w | isnt calibri copyright of microsoft btw? :P |
| 18:27.19 | Lopeppeppy | Most fonts are copyrighted by somebody somewhere. |
| 18:27.28 | TC-work | "The typeface is licensed by Ascender Corporation for use by end users, consumer electronics device manufacturers and other users." |
| 18:27.35 | TC-work | so *shrug* |
| 18:28.12 | karl_w_w | yeah it is |
| 18:28.20 | karl_w_w | according to properties |
| 18:28.33 | VIad | nothing stops you from using a font privately tough, but think twice if making a UI compilation :P |
| 18:29.00 | karl_w_w | privately ~= giving it to everyone in an addon :P |
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| 18:52.52 | VIad | I know ;) |
| 18:54.13 | karl_w_w | hey VIad, this is one of my favourite tunes of all time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNxHh4yyC1o |
| 18:54.15 | karl_w_w | hate it? :D |
| 18:54.49 | VIad | I don't hate it, but too much bump bump bump bump :P |
| 18:55.30 | VIad | not exactly my type of music, but I don't have a negative attitude to it either :P |
| 18:55.32 | karl_w_w | u wouldnt know after listening to 30s of it :P |
| 18:56.21 | TC-work | I don't like it, but then i tend to hate remixes with a burning passion. |
| 18:56.42 | TC-work | it's 8 min long, but 6 of it is exactly the same |
| 18:56.46 | VIad | is it called trance? |
| 18:56.50 | VIad | or techno? |
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| 18:57.27 | nevcairiel | "music" |
| 18:57.31 | karl_w_w | :D |
| 18:57.36 | karl_w_w | more trance than anything |
| 18:59.08 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpSPmqoLUNA u can't hate this remix TC-work |
| 18:59.11 | VIad | more trance than music? |
| 18:59.50 | karl_w_w | yeah, probably the best trance tune that ever was or ever will be |
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| 19:01.01 | TC-work | uh....my ears are bleeding |
| 19:01.26 | TC-work | to be fair, it sounded nothing like adiago for strings. |
| 19:01.47 | TC-work | which is a plus, because i actually like that misuc |
| 19:01.50 | TC-work | music* |
| 19:02.56 | Humbedooh | slaps TC-work with a dictionary |
| 19:03.05 | karl_w_w | i like trance just as much as unadulterated classical :P |
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| 19:04.39 | karl_w_w | i will admit trance takes a lot of getting used to though |
| 19:05.03 | karl_w_w | but if u do get used to it u see the beauty |
| 19:05.30 | TC-work | I shouldn't -have- to get used to something to enjoy it |
| 19:05.54 | karl_w_w | ur right everything should be instantly enjoyable :P |
| 19:05.59 | karl_w_w | like candy floss |
| 19:06.00 | TC-work | seems like a contradiction. Do this thing you dislike so you can like it later |
| 19:06.13 | TC-work | No, but there are things people enjoy right off the bat |
| 19:07.07 | karl_w_w | music is funny like that, most peoples' tastes change so much that what they dont like now they will in 5 years |
| 19:07.39 | karl_w_w | and what u like right when you first hear it you usually end up hating |
| 19:07.57 | karl_w_w | well, maybe not usually, but often |
| 19:07.59 | TC-work | And that's fine, but it's not forced |
| 19:08.04 | karl_w_w | no |
| 19:08.12 | TC-work | which is what you are talking about |
| 19:08.20 | karl_w_w | no it isnt :P |
| 19:08.36 | TC-work | yes "Listen to this thing you do not like till you do" |
| 19:08.39 | karl_w_w | i didnt say "so start listening to it all now!" |
| 19:08.41 | VIad | why do druids still have to suffer with "You need to be outside." errors when you run out of a building and you don't jump spam (to force the server to update your state)? :P |
| 19:08.55 | karl_w_w | why are you putting quotation marks around those words when I did not say them? |
| 19:09.29 | TC-work | you said "i will admit trance takes a lot of getting used to though", and that's the only way i can interpret it |
| 19:09.48 | karl_w_w | guess we have a different understanding of language then |
| 19:10.02 | karl_w_w | does jump spam really make a difference VIad? :o |
| 19:10.20 | nevcairiel | it probably makes you think there is a difference because you did something |
| 19:10.23 | karl_w_w | if anything i would have though jumping would make it take longer |
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| 19:10.47 | VIad | the proper quote is "Can only use outside" |
| 19:11.05 | TC-work | well karl_w_w, how would you describe it then? |
| 19:11.17 | VIad | if I don't jump but just run forward, I can run perhaps 20-30 yards before the server realizes, oh, wait, he can use flight form here :P |
| 19:11.46 | VIad | if I jump I can probably fly away around 10 yards of running time :P |
| 19:11.46 | karl_w_w | that seems broken VIad |
| 19:11.51 | karl_w_w | like properly broken |
| 19:11.57 | VIad | it's like this since for ever :P |
| 19:12.22 | karl_w_w | not in my experience |
| 19:12.23 | VIad | and falling doesn't update your outside/inside state either |
| 19:12.41 | VIad | i.e. if you fall from mage tower as druid, you can spam your flight form, it won't cast until you fall first, then the server allows you :P |
| 19:12.55 | karl_w_w | TC-work: simply that a lot of people don't like it at first but come to appreciate it |
| 19:13.44 | TC-work | But your initial comment suggested repeated listening, is that not what you meant? |
| 19:15.12 | karl_w_w | I don't see how any of my comments suggested that |
| 19:16.18 | TC-work | "getting used to" if you listen to something once, then never listen to it again for some time, then the next time you listen to it you like it, that statement does not apply. |
| 19:16.55 | karl_w_w | you can also get used to it by gradually crossing genres |
| 19:17.14 | karl_w_w | many metal fans started off with milder rock, I'm sure |
| 19:18.17 | karl_w_w | or you find a certain song which has elements you enjoy in a genre that you otherwise have not enjoyed before |
| 19:19.09 | TC-work | but then does that mean you like the genre? |
| 19:19.18 | karl_w_w | not necessarily |
| 19:19.37 | TC-work | for example, i can't stand metal, but i do like nightwish. |
| 19:20.04 | TC-work | I still say i don't like metal |
| 19:20.48 | karl_w_w | not but it is possible that listening to nightwish got you to appreciate the musical structure/devices etc of metal, and that could have grown into a wider appreciation of metal |
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| 19:22.34 | karl_w_w | eg until a few years ago, as far as i was concerned r&b was a waste of time and space, then i heard a few timbaland songs i like, and eventually i get to a stage where i consider myself an r&b fan |
| 19:22.39 | karl_w_w | not a very big one sure |
| 19:22.43 | karl_w_w | but still |
| 19:25.01 | VIad | anyway... |
| 19:25.21 | VIad | I hope they can at some point make the outdoor/indoor transitions quicker :P |
| 19:25.32 | VIad | most noticable with shapeshifts that require "outside" to use |
| 19:26.09 | Primer | indeed |
| 19:26.35 | karl_w_w | i doubt they can VIad :P |
| 19:26.39 | Primer | note the flight form icon in the stance bar immediately becomes "available" once you go outdoors, but often you still can't cast it |
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| 19:26.55 | karl_w_w | they still havent fixed blink or vanish |
| 19:27.05 | TC-work | 5 seconds is not going to kill you |
| 19:27.16 | Primer | uhh, yes it can |
| 19:27.18 | karl_w_w | in wsg it could |
| 19:27.47 | TC-work | if you can't survive for 5 seconds because you can not fly away, you are doing something wrong |
| 19:28.16 | foxlit | Should fix it anyway |
| 19:28.46 | foxlit | screw arguing about whether or not it's going to kill anyone; the slow transition is annoying |
| 19:29.03 | TC-work | assuming it is not intended. |
| 19:29.32 | foxlit | also affects casting flight form out of water -- you can't do it above a certain latency |
| 19:29.40 | karl_w_w | if you're carrying a flag and you can't change into travel form for 20 yards that can certainly mean the difference between getting charged / gripped / posteriorly violated or not |
| 19:30.25 | foxlit | TC-work: that seems like an extremely reasonable assumption. |
| 19:31.20 | TC-work | right, but you need to wait for server sync or you could possibly abuse it. |
| 19:32.28 | foxlit | that seems very speculative |
| 19:32.30 | TC-work | although if i remember correctly, this worked both ways, as i was able to be in travel form going into a building for a few seconds |
| 19:32.38 | karl_w_w | server sync shouldnt be taking that long unless you have ping in the thousands |
| 19:32.48 | nilyaK | has a ping in thousands. |
| 19:32.57 | karl_w_w | steals some |
| 19:33.29 | VIad | get your own druid, try it out :P |
| 19:33.43 | VIad | teleport to stormwind and jump out of mage tower and spam your form, you will hit the ground before it allows you :P |
| 19:33.55 | Arrowmaster | what the hell, i was just credited with 20 microsoft points for no reason that i can think of |
| 19:33.58 | VIad | and yes, falling is even worse at updating your outside status :P |
| 19:36.02 | VIad | if I teleport to theramore or old dalaran, I can't use flight form as I fall down ;) |
| 19:36.06 | VIad | just something to think about |
| 19:36.29 | foxlit | because as a druid, you totally teleport to theramore and old dalaran all the time. |
| 19:36.30 | Sintacks | wish i had $20 for the 4 pets i'm missing from the store |
| 19:36.52 | nilyaK | can't mages make portals to there anyone can use? |
| 19:37.12 | foxlit | nilyaK: yes, and Vlad totally takes those portals all the time. |
| 19:37.15 | Sintacks | mages can't port anywhere they can't open a portal to, yes |
| 19:37.46 | VIad | just mentioning easy to test situations that clearly help you see the problem with slow updating of outdoor information :P |
| 19:37.47 | nilyaK | idk I port everywhere all the time on my rogue =/ but then I am crazy so yea |
| 19:38.26 | nilyaK | yes I actually mean that, I try to do something and boom, pieces of rogue everywhere |
| 19:38.30 | foxlit | VIad: your nickname is now officially annoying. its not vLad |
| 19:38.33 | Sintacks | also, yes, the druid flight form thing is bloody fucking annoying. sometimes you can mount a flying mount faster, including cast time, than the game will let you go into flight form |
| 19:38.33 | nilyaK | instantly |
| 19:38.57 | VIad | Vlad is busy :P |
| 19:39.06 | foxlit | so call yourself Susan |
| 19:39.08 | VIad | and Vlad| looks retarded, quoting nevcairiel on that one :P |
| 19:39.10 | Maldivia | Sintacks: take a step back before trying to shift |
| 19:39.18 | Arrowmaster | new humble bundle! |
| 19:39.23 | Sintacks | wat. |
| 19:41.51 | Maldivia | Sintacks: if you push back (S or what ever you have it bound to) before trying to shift to flight form, it works a lot better |
| 19:42.01 | TC-work | Bah, i have all but one of the games |
| 19:43.13 | Maldivia | DD + all DLCs, that's nice |
| 19:43.18 | VIad | Maldivia: what about falling? :( |
| 19:44.10 | Maldivia | VIad: spam the key :) |
| 19:44.19 | karl_w_w | VIad you name clearly says viad on my screen because i dont have a shit font :P |
| 19:44.23 | VIad | "Must be outside - have fun taking fall damage" |
| 19:44.23 | karl_w_w | just lettin u know |
| 19:44.37 | Arrowmaster | i think i already own the pay more bonuses from this bundle |
| 19:44.41 | VIad | if you use those fancy curly fonts the I and l are more distinct :P |
| 19:45.04 | VIad | monospace fonts also probably have more distinct I and l |
| 19:45.14 | TC-work | or you could just use a different name |
| 19:45.31 | karl_w_w | i like the various times my combat log has said this: you apply slowfall to yourself // you fall and take 324932649 damage // you die // slow fall fades |
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| 19:46.46 | karl_w_w | or same with ice block |
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| 19:49.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah on 3 of the steam keys i got told i already own them |
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| 19:52.35 | VIad | but karl, the combat based abilities are much more responsive, than the shapeshifting indoor/outdoor transition, just shame it's been like this for so long :P |
| 19:57.20 | Maldivia | that's why backstepping helps, seems to force the server to update the player position and realize you're now outside |
| 19:57.50 | VIad | echo $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] === "61.116.96.58" ? ":D" : ":("; |
| 19:59.26 | Maldivia | so only someone in Japan gets a happy smilie? |
| 20:00.30 | VIad | ip might be reversed, fyi :P |
| 20:00.36 | VIad | it's karl_w_w :P |
| 20:05.22 | karl_w_w | what |
| 20:05.48 | karl_w_w | in fact it isnt :P |
| 20:05.54 | karl_w_w | *** DNS: 61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au is 58.96.116.61 |
| 20:05.58 | karl_w_w | howzat? |
| 20:06.29 | karl_w_w | my isp is funky like that |
| 20:06.52 | VIad | :P |
| 20:06.56 | Maldivia | that's very common |
| 20:07.01 | karl_w_w | *** DNS: 128.121.45.31.customer.cdi.no is 31.45.121.128 apparently not that funky |
| 20:07.01 | Arrowmaster | standard arpa reverse dns format |
| 20:07.22 | karl_w_w | my old isp didnt do that |
| 20:07.26 | TC-work | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 20:07.26 | TC-work | 58.96.116.61.in-addr.arpa name = HNZfa-01p4-58.ppp11.odn.ad.jp. |
| 20:07.34 | karl_w_w | so my old isp was funky! |
| 20:07.36 | TC-work | but the reverse thing is normal |
| 20:07.42 | VIad | I am curious, why do they assign domains to IPs? :p |
| 20:08.05 | karl_w_w | they don't |
| 20:08.08 | Arrowmaster | do you mean why have reverse dns? |
| 20:08.19 | VIad | these are domains :P |
| 20:08.23 | VIad | yeah |
| 20:08.25 | karl_w_w | they assign IPs to domains |
| 20:08.40 | karl_w_w | because they use epic dhcp |
| 20:09.29 | VIad | it just feels useless, unless there is a good reason to have your ISP making you a private hard to read adress :P |
| 20:09.41 | VIad | s/d/dd/ |
| 20:09.47 | VIad | nvm lol |
| 20:10.44 | Arrowmaster | i dont really know the historical reasons for it |
| 20:10.51 | Arrowmaster | but its useful |
| 20:13.53 | VIad | how useful? :( |
| 20:14.08 | VIad | and when would anyone have to dns query your domain to get your ip? :P |
| 20:14.33 | VIad | nevcairiel or maybe Ackis or Adys may know |
| 20:14.40 | Arrowmaster | you have to lookup the ip from the domain name all the time to do anything |
| 20:15.10 | VIad | on the dependency order, dns is just to make it easier to remember IP's |
| 20:15.31 | VIad | if you enter google.com you dns query for the ip, you don't enter an ip and query the dns for the domain :P |
| 20:15.54 | VIad | I mean, domain>ip not ip>domain when it comes to connectivity, or am I wrong? : |
| 20:16.56 | Arrowmaster | theres a lot of times you only have the ip address and you want more info about it so looking up the rDNS is very useful |
| 20:17.22 | VIad | if you want to find the owner perhaps :) |
| 20:17.26 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 20:17.39 | VIad | ehm, sure you can |
| 20:17.49 | Arrowmaster | if you want to find the owner you do a whois query on it and find out who the netblock was assigned to |
| 20:18.31 | Arrowmaster | if you want to find out a more specific name you do a rDNS |
| 20:18.59 | VIad | but how does the assigned domain help you in any way? :P |
| 20:19.09 | VIad | only info it gives you is the ISP/owner of said IP |
| 20:19.21 | VIad | country perhaps, if ISP has many countries it services |
| 20:19.29 | Arrowmaster | all that is useful |
| 20:20.19 | VIad | just think if you only want that information, why have a unique domain for each IP, why not just have your IPs resolve to a common domain :P |
| 20:20.31 | Arrowmaster | you can |
| 20:20.46 | Arrowmaster | or you can just not have an rDNS entry |
| 20:21.04 | VIad | for example if you look up karl it says "61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au" and that leads us to his IP when you query the dns |
| 20:21.29 | VIad | but why not just have it just say "exetel.com.au" when you already know the IP or just use the IP directly :P |
| 20:21.39 | VIad | just feels weird, don't know |
| 20:21.45 | Arrowmaster | because then you have to store both the ip and the address |
| 20:21.51 | Arrowmaster | if you want to log it |
| 20:22.00 | VIad | so it's for logging purposes? |
| 20:22.01 | End_ | exetel.com.au doesn't point to all those addresses |
| 20:22.07 | Arrowmaster | its for LOTS of purposes |
| 20:22.21 | VIad | that's obvious, just unsure when you'd want your ip to point to ANY domain at all :D |
| 20:22.36 | Maldivia | ip -> host is one-to-one, host -> ip can be many-to-many |
| 20:23.20 | Arrowmaster | ip -> host doesnt have to be one-to-one but its extremely complex to set it up otherwise |
| 20:23.54 | Arrowmaster | because most things that check the rDNS then do a DNS lookup on the hostname returned from rDNS to verify they point back to each other |
| 20:24.15 | End_ | rdns is generally used in smtp, but that's not really useful for residential addresses since they're often on blacklists due to their dynamic assignment, or even blocked from sending mail that way by the isp |
| 20:24.28 | End_ | I'm not aware of other services that do such checks, but they probably exist |
| 20:24.42 | Arrowmaster | irc servers do |
| 20:24.58 | VIad | it would suffice just using our normal IP no? :P |
| 20:25.04 | VIad | instead of karl@<long weird domain> |
| 20:25.37 | Arrowmaster | some isps dont setup rDNS so you just get the ip |
| 20:25.58 | VIad | :) |
| 20:26.22 | End_ | if you get your address statically assigned, usually you can get them to change it |
| 20:27.49 | Maldivia | and when everything changes to IPv6 (in 20 years or so - or IPv7,8,9 whatever), it's becomes even harder to remember your address, stuff like 2a00:1450:4009:802::1003 are not easy to remember :) |
| 20:28.15 | Arrowmaster | most people are thankful that all AOL client ips have rDNS setup to quickly identify them as coming from AOL, otherwise you would have to either do a whois lookup on every ip (much more resource intensive) or try to keep track of all netbocks AOL uses when you want to block people using AOL from something |
| 20:28.24 | VIad | neither is 23.51.23.55.staticx.ipdns.quicklookup.co.uk |
| 20:28.25 | VIad | :D |
| 20:28.42 | Maldivia | VIad: go buy a domain, and make it point to your IP then |
| 20:29.00 | VIad | I am talking about the default domain they assign each IP |
| 20:29.02 | Maldivia | sure, you won't have rDNS (unless you have a really nice ISP) |
| 20:29.06 | VIad | not talking about that I want mine to be easy to access :P |
| 20:29.09 | End_ | I have ipv6 at home, they don't do any rdns for ipv6 addresses here |
| 20:29.31 | Arrowmaster | VIad: its very helpful for preventing abuse |
| 20:29.35 | *** join/#wowuidev ccox_ (~ccox@sjfw1.adobe.com) |
| 20:29.36 | *** join/#wowuidev ccox_ (~ccox@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/CCox) |
| 20:29.48 | Arrowmaster | VIad: as i kinda hinted on from my AOL example |
| 20:29.53 | VIad | sadly, I've written to some ISP about abusive clients, no one cared :( |
| 20:30.11 | VIad | for example ISP in russia, I bet they sent the spam attacks themselves :P lol |
| 20:30.24 | Arrowmaster | generally they dont, then an IRC network bans all of AOL then they start caring when their customers bitch to them |
| 20:30.49 | Arrowmaster | multiple IRC networks have banned all of AOL before |
| 20:30.51 | VIad | wanna show you a quick demo of the outdoor issue btw :) |
| 20:30.58 | VIad | frapsed :P |
| 20:32.37 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: that or banning entire Class As :) |
| 20:32.49 | durcyn | your last five lines have included an emoticon, you might need to seek the services of a mental health professional. |
| 20:33.43 | VIad | I always use emoticons, durcyn |
| 20:33.45 | mckenziemc | hugs durcyn. |
| 20:33.49 | Maldivia | durcyn: some people are just more expressive than others :P |
| 20:33.52 | VIad | ops, forgot one :) and one for this message :) |
| 20:34.04 | Primer | Class A is really only a range of networks |
| 20:34.20 | Arrowmaster | it ment a lot more before CIDR |
| 20:34.26 | Primer | not necessary a net mask |
| 20:34.36 | Primer | necessarily, even |
| 20:35.08 | VIad | does the new ip6 contain practical info like country or city of origin or? |
| 20:35.20 | Arrowmaster | country yes |
| 20:35.23 | Arrowmaster | others no |
| 20:35.42 | VIad | I guess better than no country :P |
| 20:35.50 | VIad | tough USA is quite large :P |
| 20:36.02 | VIad | would it count all the IP from USA as "USA" or divide into states? |
| 20:36.12 | VIad | let's face it, the states are more like giant countries :P |
| 20:36.14 | Arrowmaster | would be a lot of wasted addresses if you tried to add all that info to it |
| 20:36.14 | Humbedooh | only in geographical size |
| 20:36.29 | Arrowmaster | and theres already a lot of wasted addresses in IPv6 |
| 20:36.37 | VIad | like? |
| 20:36.42 | Arrowmaster | like half of them |
| 20:36.47 | durcyn | like allocating a /64 to each customer |
| 20:37.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Jitta (Jitta@91-65-40-230-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 20:37.35 | Maldivia | durcyn: isn't it as much as a /48 or /56? |
| 20:38.14 | durcyn | depends on the ISP, but yes |
| 20:38.30 | Arrowmaster | a /64 is the smallest subnet size possible |
| 20:39.32 | Arrowmaster | compared to IPv4's /30 |
| 20:39.46 | Maldivia | well, there are also a lot of wasted IPv4 addresses |
| 20:39.50 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-56-4.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:40.25 | Humbedooh | Maldivia: okay, so they have a drinking problem - no need to shame them like that :\ |
| 20:40.27 | durcyn | what, you don't agree with 22.0.0.0/8 being used for unrouted private networks? |
| 20:40.46 | Arrowmaster | you mean 10? |
| 20:40.57 | durcyn | no, 22's a dod allocation that's used for SIPRNET etc |
| 20:41.03 | durcyn | never even touches the internet |
| 20:41.41 | Maldivia | also, are 16 million addresses really needed for loopback ?:) |
| 20:41.55 | Arrowmaster | no but its rather impossible to change that one now |
| 20:42.38 | VIad | the issue with outdoor requirements http://youtu.be/v24NZ4itsi4 |
| 20:43.01 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@c-68-38-56-4.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:43.14 | VIad | sometimes it works by the time I get in front of the bridge, usually on it or after, yeah |
| 20:43.23 | durcyn | i bet the USPS could make some money selling off 56/8 |
| 20:44.25 | Maldivia | ohh, and there's the 240-255.0.0.0 addresses, they are still reserved/unused, right ? |
| 20:44.32 | Arrowmaster | for now |
| 20:44.37 | Arrowmaster | theyll be sold off soon enough |
| 20:44.39 | VIad | I want 1.0.0.0 |
| 20:44.51 | Arrowmaster | 1.0.0.0/8 got sold to china |
| 20:44.59 | rtharper | mikma: Apinakapina. The monkey rebellion. |
| 20:45.08 | VIad | who owns all IP originaly? :P |
| 20:45.13 | End_ | the dsl modem my parents have likes to mangle dns responses to point at 1.0.0.0 |
| 20:45.15 | VIad | someone ought to have started owning all of the addresses |
| 20:45.30 | Arrowmaster | IANA |
| 20:46.05 | Maldivia | routers like to misuse 1.x.x.x |
| 20:46.10 | VIad | btw, Arrowmaster, saw the video? :P |
| 20:46.14 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 20:46.17 | pompy | Arrowmaster: did you see that xbl sale started yesterday? |
| 20:46.27 | VIad | Arrowmaster: did you see the last samurai? |
| 20:46.38 | Arrowmaster | 1.0.0.0/8 was originally supposed to be a reserved block that was never to be used, but it got sold |
| 20:46.41 | Arrowmaster | pompy: yeah |
| 20:47.03 | pompy | lego shit today, meh and stupid mw3 to open the sale.. blah |
| 20:47.12 | Primer | VIad: I watched it |
| 20:47.20 | Primer | and that's something that really bugs me |
| 20:47.25 | VIad | :p |
| 20:47.28 | Arrowmaster | pompy: i linked you the full sale list the other day |
| 20:47.50 | Arrowmaster | pompy: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334339 |
| 20:48.03 | pompy | Arrowmaster: yah i know! |
| 20:48.09 | Arrowmaster | check the 27th |
| 20:48.12 | pompy | Platformers tomorrow, not so bad. |
| 20:48.22 | Ressy | You guys remember how I was asking you about taint issues? |
| 20:48.23 | pompy | and yeah def gunna get the bl2 season pass. |
| 20:48.36 | pompy | Arrowmaster: i wish they had the halo 4 map pass during this sale :\ lol |
| 20:48.37 | End_ | Ressy: yea? |
| 20:48.39 | VIad | speak up Ressy, can't hear you |
| 20:48.47 | Ressy | I just got word back from the Blizz dev. |
| 20:48.54 | Ressy | "I have submitted a fix for most of the taint related issues, it should be in the next patch."information." |
| 20:48.56 | VIad | what? |
| 20:49.01 | Arrowmaster | i just loaded two 1600 point cards on my account ive had sitting here for a year probably |
| 20:49.03 | VIad | are you kidding me? |
| 20:49.10 | End_ | :o |
| 20:49.11 | Ressy | nope. |
| 20:49.13 | VIad | you actually got a response? |
| 20:49.15 | pompy | Ressy: they said something about reversing a change bc of chat taint |
| 20:49.51 | Arrowmaster | see what happens when Zootfizzle leaves, the UI goes to hell |
| 20:50.09 | End_ | next patch being 5.2 I am guessing |
| 20:50.13 | VIad | Ressy: can you report this issue too? they seem to listen to you :P http://youtu.be/v24NZ4itsi4 |
| 20:50.14 | pompy | yeah |
| 20:50.15 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc1 (~Mark@adsl-69-106-181-122.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:50.18 | Ressy | I believe so yes, End_ |
| 20:50.52 | pompy | 3 months in and already 5.2 shit starting to unravel ... fast, eh? |
| 20:50.53 | pompy | >< |
| 20:51.16 | durcyn | Ressy: does that include staticpopupdialogs? |
| 20:52.08 | Ressy | He only sent that little bit back, but I did include this comment: "<Stanzilla> Ressy: staticpopups and dropdown menus taint the shit out of everything usually" |
| 20:52.22 | Ressy | so its possible it will be fixed. |
| 20:52.40 | pompy | Arrowmaster: "28th: The Walking DeadEpisode 1 of the WD will be FREE Dec 25-31" .. nice |
| 20:52.40 | foxlit | believe that when you see it on the ptr |
| 20:52.41 | End_ | I really hope so |
| 20:52.45 | End_ | but we'll see |
| 20:52.57 | foxlit | it's far more likely that they just found the memory corruption bug they introduced in 5.0 |
| 20:53.07 | End_ | well |
| 20:53.09 | End_ | that'd help too |
| 20:54.03 | pompy | And I guess the Steam Christmas Sale didn't start today, boo! |
| 20:54.08 | Ressy | Thats possible too.. |
| 20:54.11 | durcyn | oh, well, if you get a chance to elaborate, there's a second issue beyond simply creating custom staticpoups where any hooks on functions called by staticpopups in their OnAccepts will also taint the dialogs permanently |
| 20:54.14 | Arrowmaster | pompy: maybe tomorrow |
| 20:55.33 | durcyn | well, i guess of course it's permanent, but the hook part was a surprise |
| 20:57.55 | VIad | :( |
| 20:58.41 | VIad | I spent 5 min making a movie for you :P |
| 20:58.53 | VIad | it's bad manners not to take a look, Arrowmaster:P |
| 20:59.08 | Arrowmaster | why would i look at it? |
| 20:59.48 | End_ | I don't think any of them return any values, so the static popup handlers should really be called using securecall |
| 21:00.18 | pompy | and it's either out of date addons im using or blizz bug.. where randomly the achievement criteria resets (display wise, not internally) |
| 21:01.13 | End_ | I've seen that, and I don't think it's an addon that would do that one |
| 21:01.31 | VIad | Primer, karl_w_w, TC-work, foxlit, nilyaK, Sintacks, all at some point involved in the slow "outdoor" state update so I made a video to show those that were sceptical or don't play a druid, to see what I am talking about :P |
| 21:01.48 | End_ | or if it is, something has some weird side effects |
| 21:03.10 | VIad | on the subject of taint, anyone know if the achievement UI degrades over time? mine does, especially when combat is involved |
| 21:03.13 | Primer | VIad: at first I thought it was just gogomount, but if you use the stance bar, the same thing happens |
| 21:03.22 | TC-work | I have a druid. And i can say that is about how it has always been, if a tad longer, but i suspect that's because of my connection |
| 21:03.36 | Primer | no, it didn't used to be that way |
| 21:03.40 | VIad | TC-work: it's true, been like this for many years now, just wondering why not fix it+ :P |
| 21:03.44 | pompy | VIad: probably what i just said |
| 21:03.45 | TC-work | Primer: Yes it did |
| 21:03.56 | TC-work | there was always a delay |
| 21:04.04 | Arrowmaster | its probably because the server has to tell the client its finally outdoors and the spells can be cast |
| 21:04.26 | Arrowmaster | wow has a lot of inherent lag you dont notice often |
| 21:04.35 | VIad | Arrowmaster: look at the video :P |
| 21:04.38 | VIad | it's not lag |
| 21:04.44 | pompy | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323277504578189612319581942.html?mod=googlenews_wsj THQ files for bankruptcy |
| 21:04.47 | VIad | I can put my foot out and use my mount to fly away |
| 21:05.10 | VIad | but I can't use my spell to fly away after spamming it over and over again for a much longer perioid of time that you can blame it on lag ;) |
| 21:05.37 | Primer | The client knows it's outdoors, as the stance bar changes immediately |
| 21:05.51 | mikma | rtharper: yes yes |
| 21:05.57 | Primer | Yet a full 2 seconds can go by before you can cast flight or travel form |
| 21:06.08 | VIad | but you can mount up normally instantly |
| 21:06.28 | kd3 | back in atlanta. yay. I guess |
| 21:06.50 | Arrowmaster | probably because mounting sends a signal to the server saying you are trying to cast the mount and its up to the server to respond back that you cant |
| 21:07.03 | Arrowmaster | while the server has to first tell the client you are even allowed to use the druid forms |
| 21:07.12 | Arrowmaster | before you can attempt to cast them |
| 21:07.16 | VIad | same thing applies to you shapeshifting :P |
| 21:07.27 | VIad | if I lag and apply flight form I just stand waving my hands |
| 21:07.39 | VIad | so the server must reply back "you aren't outside yet" for the client to error like this |
| 21:08.04 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 21:08.12 | pompy | that was fast kd3 |
| 21:08.48 | nilyaK | ideally I'd assume the client could check if you're outside and apply flight form, the server could then check and reply you aren't outside yet and give the correct position of the client, this could create some rubber banding in high latency situations but is probably better for more players, IMO |
| 21:09.39 | kd3 | eh. 4 hoursish |
| 21:09.50 | kd3 | I was largely up there just to find a place. going to move after christmas |
| 21:10.48 | VIad | dear blizzard, please make the indoor>outdoor detection more efficient - thanks! |
| 21:11.08 | pompy | response:fu |
| 21:11.10 | VIad | and by the way, I did tests, if you go indoor the client will remove the flight form much quicker, than if you go outside from inside :P |
| 21:11.27 | VIad | outdoor to indoor is normal, but the other way and it's really delayed |
| 21:12.27 | VIad | jumping can help force an update but it would be much better if they just made the client properly update and allow you to apply flight as fast as you can apply your mount ;p |
| 21:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, this was my choice, rip it apart (as a home computer, not for gaming). http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+15.6%26%2334%3B+Laptop+-+4GB+Memory+-+500GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black+Licorice/7015561.p |
| 21:15.06 | TC-work | The only issue i see with it is 2nd gen cpu |
| 21:15.30 | Dagmar | <obligatory-carping-on-wasting-money-buying-from-a-brick-and-mortar> |
| 21:15.33 | TC-work | the integrated gpu bump is significant, and it help's even without games |
| 21:16.13 | Dagmar | Oh wait a laptop. Yeah, nevermind that's likely as cheap as it's gonna get there. |
| 21:16.30 | TC-work | also, who the fuck decided 'ultraportable' is less lan 5.5lbs |
| 21:16.41 | TC-work | than* |
| 21:16.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not laying out for an awesome laptop - that had the best cpu I could find in without jumping the 400. |
| 21:17.17 | Dagmar | Yeah that's fine |
| 21:17.29 | Arrowmaster | wow bestbuy has delisted the laptop i just bought from them already |
| 21:17.43 | Arrowmaster | guess i cant recommend it |
| 21:18.13 | Lopeppeppy | This is replacing a 6 year old laptop with a dying video card and ancient 1G ram. |
| 21:18.18 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: i went with http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/L850/L855-S5309/ for $399 |
| 21:19.04 | zenzelezz | hm, THQ chapter 11ing :-o |
| 21:19.16 | durcyn | hardly a surprise |
| 21:19.40 | zenzelezz | was only a question of time |
| 21:19.58 | zenzelezz | wonder how/if it will affect their upcoming titles, was looking forward to one or more |
| 21:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | I had a satellite in the running, Arrowmaster, but the lack of 3.0 USB ports was vexing to me. I have a few 3.0 accessories that I wanted to be able to properly take advantage of. |
| 21:20.41 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: the one you linked is usb2 only, mine has 2 3.0 ports |
| 21:20.51 | pompy | yeah zenzelezz http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323277504578189612319581942.html?mod=googlenews_wsj |
| 21:21.07 | pompy | they are keeping all the studios open during the transition |
| 21:22.07 | VIad | why did thq go bankrupt? |
| 21:22.17 | Arrowmaster | retarded management |
| 21:22.29 | Lopeppeppy | Frak, I got that backward in my versioning. Thanks, Arrowmaster. *erase erase* |
| 21:22.59 | pompy | what would you do if EA gobbles them up!? aah |
| 21:24.57 | Maldivia | the same thing as when they gobbled up everything else? |
| 21:26.08 | pompy | lol |
| 21:26.47 | zenzelezz | probably complain for a while, then still buy Company of Heroes 2 |
| 21:27.34 | pompy | that game was in their humble bundle i believe. |
| 21:28.06 | zenzelezz | it's not released |
| 21:28.35 | TC-work | 1 was in the bundle |
| 21:30.25 | pompy | how was 1/ |
| 21:30.27 | pompy | i see from 2007 |
| 21:30.55 | zenzelezz | I loved it |
| 21:31.35 | Lopeppeppy | Ah ha, this was the right model number, with the higher processor speed and 3.0 USB. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP---Pavilion-15.6%26%2334%3B-Laptop---4GB-Memory---500GB-Hard-Drive---Sparkling-Black/7004371.p |
| 21:31.52 | pompy | I love how steam lets you install games to whatever connected HDD you want now! |
| 21:32.14 | zenzelezz | http://kotaku.com/5969927/some-war-z-images-were-ripped-from-the-walking-dead |
| 21:32.39 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: thats like a completely different laptop |
| 21:32.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, different model. |
| 21:32.58 | Arrowmaster | and manufacturer |
| 21:33.18 | Arrowmaster | first was an HP, now its an Asus |
| 21:33.59 | nevcairiel | dont be deceived by screenshots |
| 21:34.07 | Arrowmaster | lol your right |
| 21:34.20 | nevcairiel | the funny part, the thumbnails of the screenshots show a HP logo, the big version asus |
| 21:34.21 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | HP Pavilion... they just screwed up their screens. |
| 21:34.49 | Arrowmaster | but still its a switch from an intel to an amd |
| 21:34.59 | TC-work | oh god...15" monitor and 1366x768. |
| 21:35.04 | TC-work | i would gouge my eyes out |
| 21:35.09 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't matter to me, really. It's for light home use, not for gaming. |
| 21:35.23 | nevcairiel | i have a 13" with 1920x1080, and i love it =p |
| 21:35.26 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: thats standard for laptops now, 15.6" at 1366x768 just try to find something different |
| 21:35.42 | Lopeppeppy | If I spend more than 45 minutes on it in a row, it's some major event. |
| 21:35.49 | Fisker | this is your fault Adys |
| 21:35.54 | Fisker | no zenzelezz |
| 21:35.59 | Fisker | nothing was ripped from anything |
| 21:36.08 | Fisker | War Z has been in developement since Wolfenstein 3D |
| 21:36.09 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: What? there are tons of different ones |
| 21:36.22 | zenzelezz | Fisker: sry I forgot |
| 21:36.30 | Fisker | and it's a perfect game which continously receives updates and not fix bugs because it's a shitty game |
| 21:36.34 | Fisker | because it's not a shitty game |
| 21:36.42 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: not in this price range |
| 21:36.53 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: agreed |
| 21:37.01 | nevcairiel | if you go cheap, you cant expect miracles |
| 21:37.03 | TC-work | but that would still make me gouge my eyes out |
| 21:37.10 | Fisker | and that thing with the developer company apparently not existing, their publisher is less than 6 months old and their trademarks and sites are less than 6 months is just coincidence |
| 21:37.20 | Arrowmaster | your probably looking at $800+ to get something other than a 15.6 at 1366x768 |
| 21:37.36 | Fisker | and even though assets seems to be from another shitty game from the same mother company is just total coincidence as well |
| 21:37.40 | Fisker | we totally made those ourselves |
| 21:38.04 | TC-work | Or get something akin to a mac mini |
| 21:38.06 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: why its still about a 98 ppi |
| 21:38.16 | Fisker | and the fact it got released just before the christmas rush is also just coincidence |
| 21:38.21 | TC-work | since it is going to be at home all the time |
| 21:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are awesome. I'm off to buy something that computes rather than red-screens me. |
| 21:38.25 | Fisker | so don't you dare zenzelezz |
| 21:38.28 | Fisker | DON'T YOU DARE! |
| 21:38.41 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 21:39.01 | Mr_Rabies | are there any fishing addons other than fishing buddy with similar functionality? |
| 21:39.23 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: fishingace |
| 21:40.20 | Mr_Rabies | welp i was looking for something a little more simple and that's about as simple as it gets |
| 21:40.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'll check it out, but i'm afraid it may be a bit -too- barebones :p |
| 21:42.04 | durcyn | Mr_Rabies: fishermansfriend |
| 21:42.57 | durcyn | Arrowmaster: how dare you |
| 21:43.05 | Mr_Rabies | oh, fishingace is by the same guy as fishing buddy |
| 21:43.07 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 21:43.12 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 21:43.14 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: what did i do? |
| 21:43.47 | Mr_Rabies | well that kind of defeats the purpose, i was trying to get away from fishingbuddy because it seems to be a major source of UI taint |
| 21:44.12 | Arrowmaster | try the one durcyn recommended |
| 21:44.35 | durcyn | i even wrote bits of it. how the hell does fishing buddy taint anything? |
| 21:44.48 | Arrowmaster | probably static popups? |
| 21:44.52 | Mr_Rabies | the one durcyn recommended is 2 years outdated :p |
| 21:45.10 | durcyn | what? the last commit was two months ago |
| 21:45.37 | durcyn | http://wowace.com/addons/fishermans-friend |
| 21:45.46 | durcyn | i suppose vharr hasn't tagged it lately, i should sort that |
| 21:45.48 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8665-FishermansFriend.html |
| 21:46.05 | durcyn | pft, wowinterface is for people with too much time on their hands |
| 21:46.47 | Mr_Rabies | i get this constantly durcyn |
| 21:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | 3x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "FishingBuddy" tried to call the protected function "CompactRaidFrame8:Show()" |
| 21:48.09 | durcyn | to be fair, that's blizzard being shit regardless of what addon trips over it |
| 21:50.13 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: So I started viewing ads on wowi, and got http://users.on.net/~bleeter/bad_ad.png My 2c. I'm not a huge fan of 'click here to win a chance to', but those "999th visitor" type ones really crap me off. And when the ad itself is broken like in that screenshot it looks even more like a really really bad phishing attempt |
| 21:50.36 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: otoh, there was a Telstra banner ad across the top of the page that was perfectly 100% fine so ... heh :) |
| 21:51.18 | TC-work | stop being in the future bleeter |
| 21:51.41 | bleeter | probably easier if you stopped being backwards, TC-work :P |
| 21:59.13 | TC-work | nevar bleeter |
| 22:02.27 | bleeter | NEVER GIVE IN NEVER SURRENDER! |
| 22:06.50 | TC-work | oh coneheads |
| 22:08.42 | bleeter | watwat |
| 22:09.07 | xyphoid_ | galaxy quest really holds up |
| 22:09.11 | xyphoid_ | we watched it a few weeks ago |
| 22:09.39 | TC-work | bleeter: they used that line in coneheads |
| 22:11.04 | bleeter | as well as galaxy quest? |
| 22:11.12 | bleeter | is not as familiar with coneheads |
| 22:12.56 | Unkle | Consume mass quantities. We are from France. |
| 22:16.53 | TC-work | Well Unkle is quoting from it....now i feel old. |
| 22:17.15 | Cairenn|afk | bleeter: do you have any further info about the ad? the address it was sending from, etc? |
| 22:17.18 | Unkle | Dude, I recall the original sketches airing on SNL. |
| 22:18.07 | Semlar | not familiar with coneheads!? |
| 22:18.20 | Humbedooh | wha?! |
| 22:18.51 | Semlar | bleeter do you know who dan aykroyd is |
| 22:18.53 | Humbedooh | coneheads is awesome <3 |
| 22:20.52 | Arrowmaster | haha valve pulled warz from steam |
| 22:21.13 | pompy | bneacuse of the walking dead thing? |
| 22:21.15 | kd3 | I need an inventory sorter/organizer mod. anyone have suggestions? |
| 22:21.49 | Arrowmaster | pompy: no because the developers are scum |
| 22:21.56 | pompy | ah |
| 22:22.32 | pompy | kd3: http://www.wowace.com/addons/bank-stack/ |
| 22:22.32 | Arrowmaster | posted an incorrect description of the game and proceeded to ban everybody that complained from the steam forum for it |
| 22:24.30 | pompy | Arrowmaster: whats the incorrect description since that is still up there |
| 22:24.47 | Arrowmaster | basically all of it |
| 22:24.52 | kd3 | they changed the description since the shitstorm started |
| 22:25.07 | Mr_Rabies | i use adibags kd3, it doesn't really sort your inventory, but make virtual bags you can configure |
| 22:25.08 | Cairenn|afk | bleeter: I have to run out again for a bit, can you send me a PM with any additional info you have on the ad, please? |
| 22:25.17 | Arrowmaster | there was an image on reddit pointing out all the incorrect things in the description |
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| 22:28.37 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: they also copied LoL's ToS and forgot to change the references at one point |
| 22:28.55 | Mr_Rabies | it's the guys that made 18 wheeler offroad |
| 22:28.59 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why anyone gave them any money |
| 22:29.18 | Arrowmaster | then they tried to make you agree to a ToS on startup that said no refunds period, which is illegal |
| 22:29.40 | bleeter | Cairenn|afk: would seem it came from tribalfusion.com. it was an ad underneath the add fave/install help links on fishinbuddy's page. |
| 22:29.47 | bleeter | bah, that was meant to be /msg |
| 22:30.16 | TC-work | ~fail bleeter |
| 22:30.16 | purl | You suck at everything in life, bleeter. I hate you because you fail. |
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| 22:32.43 | Mr_Rabies | oh i'm sorry |
| 22:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | big rigs: over the road racing |
| 22:33.08 | mckenziemc1 | o.o |
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| 22:35.57 | Mr_Rabies | this was the war z guys' last game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rigs:_Over_the_Road_Racing |
| 22:36.25 | Mr_Rabies | There are technically no obstacles for the player to negotiate in Big Rigs, as the truck may freely be driven on and off roads without any loss of traction, up or down 90° slopes with no loss or gain of speed, through structures such as buildings and trees, simply falling right through bridges, and even out of the boundaries of the map into an endless grey void. When the player's vehicle is |
| 22:36.26 | Mr_Rabies | put into reverse, it can accelerate indefinitely, but the truck will halt instantly when the reverse key is released. |
| 22:36.27 | Arrowmaster | heres a good review of everything for those that havent seen it all http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/12/19/allegations-of-false-advertising-hound-the-war-z-release-on-steam/ |
| 22:36.37 | Arrowmaster | includes the original steam description |
| 22:37.20 | Mr_Rabies | Though there appear to be five courses from which to choose, only four are playable. One of the maps, titled "Nightride", does not function and selecting it simply crashes or quits the game.[2] Upon completion of the race, the game displays a large three-handled trophy and the now infamous text "YOU'RE WINNER !" [sic][2] The game occasionally fails to distinguish between whether the player |
| 22:37.20 | Mr_Rabies | is starting or finishing the race when they pass through the starting point, and so this congratulatory screen may appear within seconds of starting a game, thus ending the race prematurely. |
| 22:37.43 | mckenziemc1 | you're winner Mr_Rabies |
| 22:38.20 | Mr_Rabies | TLDR with The War Z, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/YOU'RE_WINNER_trophy.jpg |
| 22:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | also three-handled trophy |
| 22:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | what |
| 22:38.47 | Arrowmaster | i hope valve comes out later and says something along the lines of 'sergey titov is blacklisted from publishing games on the steam platform' |
| 22:38.56 | Arrowmaster | would be hilarious |
| 22:39.22 | Mr_Rabies | "sergey titov drove to valve headquarters to discuss his game's removal from steam. the problem has been dealt with" |
| 22:39.44 | Mr_Rabies | meanwhile, next e3 people can faintly hear "you're winner" eminating from gabe's beard |
| 22:39.46 | TC-work | He got beaten with a baseball bat? |
| 22:40.58 | TC-work | I'm surprised about him working at Riot Games. They are serious about their employees fitting in to the environment. |
| 22:41.24 | Arrowmaster | probably the reason he no longer works there |
| 22:42.33 | TC-work | But he would have had to have gotten hired in the first place. |
| 22:42.36 | TC-work | oh well |
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| 22:44.01 | TC-work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FfB09Wie6yk |
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| 23:01.55 | Ackis | why is it a nice feeling when you do something for someone in a video game? it's only a video game, has no impact on real life, etc |
| 23:02.41 | xyphoid_ | it's a nice feeling when you do things for people in real life even if it has no impact on your life |
| 23:04.14 | Mr_Rabies | like, in a single player game, Ackis? |
| 23:04.45 | Ackis | :P |
| 23:06.09 | Mr_Rabies | i'm asking seriously :o |
| 23:07.14 | nilyaK | I do nice things for people IRL, they tell me to stop doing nice things because it's creepy bc nobody is like that all the time. |
| 23:09.01 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 23:09.03 | Fisker | why are you mad? |
| 23:10.00 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.04 | Fisker | don't spread lies about war z |
| 23:10.16 | Fisker | the best survival game to grace our existence |
| 23:10.21 | TC-work | Well, that's scary, I didn't have steam running but it just bleeped at me |
| 23:10.28 | TC-work | on my phone that is |
| 23:10.34 | Primer | I recently rescued a stray cat in my neighborhood. It was very dirty, had a few scratches, was very hungry. I took it in, gave it food, a bath, a warm place to rest. I think took it to a cat rescue place. |
| 23:10.35 | Fisker | i'm gonna CM10.1 |
| 23:10.44 | Primer | The next day I ran into the tillers dog quest |
| 23:10.50 | Primer | and I got emotional :/ |
| 23:10.53 | Primer | from that quest |
| 23:11.18 | Mr_Rabies | man i'm so pumped for pacific rim |
| 23:11.22 | Primer | I would have normally ignored such a random looking quest, being 90 already |
| 23:11.47 | Primer | s/thing/then/ |
| 23:11.51 | Primer | a few sentences back |
| 23:11.52 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't looked forward to a film so much since...star wars episode 1? |
| 23:11.58 | Mr_Rabies | let's hope this doesn't end up the same way :| |
| 23:12.05 | Primer | and been so disappointed? |
| 23:12.32 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think del toro could make a legitimately terrible movie unless he receives some serious brain trauma |
| 23:14.04 | Mr_Rabies | when Blade II is the worst movie you've ever made, i think you're established generally as a good director :p |
| 23:14.15 | Primer | I saw the trailer for that |
| 23:14.25 | Primer | during the hobbit |
| 23:15.09 | Mr_Rabies | it's gonna own, del toro's an old school giant robot nerd, and he's the kind of director that would properly pay homage to the subgenre |
| 23:15.11 | pompy | Ackis, Cairenn|afk: did you see this? http://now.msn.com/eagle-tries-to-snatch-child-in-viral-video |
| 23:15.19 | kd3 | fake |
| 23:15.23 | pompy | yup |
| 23:15.24 | Ackis | pompy: yes, it was outed as a fake too |
| 23:15.36 | pompy | just pointing it out because Canada |
| 23:15.49 | Primer | Speaking of giant robot...anyone ever see that Japanese move, Giant Robot? |
| 23:16.10 | Primer | Where this kid discovers a giant robot, and he can control it by talking into a wrist watch? |
| 23:16.17 | Primer | And the giant robot fights monsters |
| 23:16.33 | Mr_Rabies | yes |
| 23:16.38 | Mr_Rabies | the animated one or the live action one? |
| 23:16.42 | Primer | and shoots missiles out of its fingers? |
| 23:16.46 | Primer | the live one |
| 23:16.49 | Primer | from the 70's |
| 23:16.52 | Mr_Rabies | the live action one is called Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot here |
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| 23:16.59 | Primer | I remember watching that as a kid |
| 23:17.03 | Mr_Rabies | the anime is amazing, and way closer to the comic |
| 23:17.09 | Primer | yes, as a kid in the 70's... |
| 23:17.17 | Mr_Rabies | you should check out the anime then :p |
| 23:17.26 | Primer | I don't like anime |
| 23:17.35 | Primer | although I did like Speed Racer...back in the 70's... |
| 23:17.39 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odq6eY_AmPI |
| 23:17.44 | Mr_Rabies | giant robo transcends anime |
| 23:17.49 | TC-work | yer showing your age Primer |
| 23:18.29 | Unkle | Giant Robot shows kept me glued to the TV in the 70s. Goldar! |
| 23:18.59 | Mr_Rabies | goldar is Ambassador Magma :p |
| 23:19.05 | Primer | TC-work: I know |
| 23:19.13 | Mr_Rabies | (which has a terrible anime) |
| 23:19.42 | Primer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=w275J0xI_90 |
| 23:20.42 | Mr_Rabies | there are some really great giant robot shows out there |
| 23:21.17 | Primer | all these videos say "flying robot" |
| 23:21.28 | Primer | but I distinctly remember it as "giant robot" |
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| 23:21.50 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, the original japanese title is Giant Robo, or Giant Robot, Primer |
| 23:22.01 | Mr_Rabies | but when it was brought to the US it was Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot |
| 23:22.08 | Mr_Rabies | where are you/were you located when it was airing? :o |
| 23:22.48 | VIad | :) |
| 23:22.57 | VIad | I watched anime long ago |
| 23:22.59 | Primer | I was in the US |
| 23:23.07 | Primer | Los Angeles |
| 23:23.10 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 23:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | maybe you got a hawaiian channel or something :o or the hawaiian broadcast |
| 23:23.42 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of shows kept their original names or were closer when broadcast in hawaii |
| 23:23.58 | Mr_Rabies | even having unique english dubs a lot of the time, done decades before mainland release |
| 23:24.00 | Primer | it wasn't in Japanese |
| 23:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe it was released as Giant Robot at one point |
| 23:24.37 | Mr_Rabies | i know you can watch all the episodes on youtube, though |
| 23:24.41 | Mr_Rabies | legally, at that |
| 23:25.04 | Primer | I'm watching one right now |
| 23:25.23 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, at one point at least |
| 23:25.38 | Primer | but I remember it being a full length movie too |
| 23:25.46 | Primer | not 20 minute episodes |
| 23:25.59 | Primer | It was the kid discovering the robot |
| 23:26.40 | Primer | well, it was a long time ago |
| 23:26.52 | Primer | but I have vivid memories, as I really liked it |
| 23:27.25 | Mr_Rabies | the anime is really, really good, you may wanna check it out sometime |
| 23:29.19 | TC-work | "Displaying 3 of 0 jobs"....ok then.... |
| 23:30.50 | pompy | Nice. |
| 23:31.24 | Ressy | whoa.. Wowinsider got lots of swag from Blizz for xmas |
| 23:31.46 | Ressy | https://twitter.com/AlexZiebart/status/281497966596988928 |
| 23:33.07 | TC-work | yea, swaggy |
| 23:34.23 | VIad | I hate swag, just call it stuff :P |
| 23:36.34 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/167445_4142234117733_1071280157_n.jpg |
| 23:44.08 | Arrowmaster | so i ordered a new pair of shoes from amazon, exact same as my old ones and exact same size too i think but the new ones look visible bigger |
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| 23:44.56 | Arrowmaster | which is a bit concerning since the old ones were about half a size too big but 11.5 3E was the only 3Es they had in stock |
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| 23:55.12 | Fisker | whoop whoop |
| 23:55.35 | Fisker | USPTO has just tentatively dismissed one of the claims in a patent that Apple used in the trial that Apple won |
| 23:55.42 | VIad | Arrowmaster: you must face the sad fact, but people keep evolving and grow larger and larger, sadly you seem to grow smaller at the same time :( |
| 23:55.50 | Fisker | so basically |
| 23:55.53 | Fisker | jury = incomptent |
