| 00:00.16 | foxlit | They wrote four bloody pages harping on emotions, with little facts to show between them. |
| 00:03.06 | bleeter | idly wonders how much media coverage the killings at the chinese school have received where you live |
| 00:03.40 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: i saw it on reddit.com/r/worldnews, that was it |
| 00:03.43 | foxlit | something about knives. |
| 00:03.53 | Cairenn|afk | http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/14/china-knife-attack-school.html |
| 00:03.55 | Arrowmaster | but i dont watch tv news |
| 00:04.03 | kd3 | I saw it in a blurb in my news reader, but nothing from the talking heads |
| 00:05.14 | TC-work | I'm always thinking "Fuck everything" |
| 00:05.27 | TC-work | ...in the figurative sense. |
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| 02:08.53 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://pastebin.com || 5.1.x ToC: 50100 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || This channel is logged, via purl || Happy Birthday A_Random_Person_01 |
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| 02:28.28 | SuperPortia | Evening |
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| 02:46.17 | Arrowmaster | pompy1, Parnic, Ackis: xbox christmas sales leaked http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=503957 BL2 season pass is listed so i'll probably grab that |
| 02:47.18 | TC-work | Oh crap, that means steam is going to have one as well.....I should go get apply for a loan now.... |
| 02:48.04 | pompy1 | Arrowmaster: sweet |
| 02:48.11 | Arrowmaster | my credit card is saved in steam, im screwed |
| 02:48.21 | TC-work | Yea, same |
| 02:48.34 | pompy1 | same |
| 02:48.38 | pompy1 | Arrowmaster: the day you showed me scratch and match.. i won... every day after that, ive lost!!! |
| 02:48.54 | Arrowmaster | pompy1: its a 1:1000 chance to win |
| 02:49.01 | Arrowmaster | im guessing EVERYBODY won that day |
| 02:49.05 | pompy1 | i love how i won on the first try then! |
| 02:49.08 | pompy1 | oh |
| 02:49.14 | pompy1 | that was the day it was came out? |
| 02:49.23 | pompy1 | ok |
| 02:49.23 | Arrowmaster | no its been out |
| 02:51.50 | Arrowmaster | apparently if i earn 250xp in the xbox ambassador program for the 2nd half of december i get some avatar item.. |
| 02:52.23 | pompy1 | woo lol |
| 02:53.01 | Arrowmaster | according to my stats that would be answering 8 questions based on my current xp and number of questions answered |
| 03:12.00 | karl_w_w | http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/43020/maybe-hell-go-out-with-me/ what other way is there to pronounce article? |
| 03:12.16 | Sixen | lol |
| 03:13.12 | Sixen | karl_w_w: You notice that his last name is blacked out on the iphone image but then below it says "Submitted by Kyle Bleau" |
| 03:13.17 | Sixen | ./boggle |
| 03:13.51 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 03:14.50 | karl_w_w | maybe the other person was a different kyle |
| 03:15.03 | Sixen | coincidence I suppose? :P |
| 03:15.32 | karl_w_w | yeah :P |
| 03:19.38 | Arrowmaster | haha pacific rim trailer redone with video from evangelion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuNeWgCIGzo |
| 03:22.35 | Arrowmaster | or watch them side by side http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMuNeWgCIGzo&start1=&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DK-ZcqwvQbas&start2=&authorName=Pacific+Rim+Evangelion |
| 03:31.53 | pompy1 | so um if your charcter was an enchanter and got hacked and the hacker DEd a bunch of the gear.. does blizz not restore that ? :O |
| 03:32.06 | pompy1 | because i think he took off all my epic pieces i had equipped and DEd them.. |
| 03:32.12 | pompy1 | i dnot see them in my bags or mail |
| 03:32.43 | karl_w_w | they do replace them |
| 03:33.20 | pompy1 | hrm. i dont see them in my bank, inventory or mail :\ |
| 03:33.48 | pompy1 | and like hell i remember the names of them.. i looked on wowprogress but that was updated post hack :\ |
| 03:33.59 | pompy1 | and armory is obv not pre hack. |
| 03:34.10 | karl_w_w | so tell them :P |
| 03:36.43 | pompy1 | Error: Server UnavailableThe server is currently unavailable. Please try again later. |
| 03:36.44 | pompy1 | what |
| 03:39.11 | karl_w_w | the server is currently unavailable |
| 03:40.39 | Arrowmaster | ouya account emails are going out it seems |
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| 04:06.31 | Ackis | thanks Arrowmaster looks like I may get world of kefflings |
| 04:07.08 | tomgg | Hey, is "CTRL" no longer able to be bound independently? It appears to work only as a modifier now (I haven't used WoW since patch 4.1). |
| 04:21.59 | Seerah | I think it was always that way |
| 04:22.06 | Seerah | tomgg: ^^ |
| 04:24.05 | Iriel | Seerah: I thought that too but didn't want to say it, be wrong, and seem out of touch 8-) |
| 04:24.50 | Iriel | But I think that has always been the case, it was a cause of some annoyance for some users for a long time that they couldn't make modifiers un-modifiers |
| 04:24.51 | Seerah | I can't think of hearing of or seeing anyone ever binding something to just a modifier key. |
| 04:25.12 | Seerah | I know for a fact that you can't make non-modifiers into modifiers |
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| 04:43.00 | tomgg | The mod 'MagicMarker' allowed you to hold down a modifer (SmartMarkKey), and mouse over targets to mark them. The mod was definitely functiona in and prior to 4.??, but now the UI won't allow me to specify a modifer as SmartMarkKey. I'm not sure if this was an intentional change to break this specific type of addon (essentially automatic raid marking) or if I'm too lazy to work out how to |
| 04:43.00 | tomgg | fix it. |
| 04:45.30 | tomgg | Doh! You can just use IsControlKeyDown() |
| 04:53.10 | Seerah | Isn't that what it was doing before? |
| 04:54.08 | Seerah | if IsControlKeyDown() then whateversetraidtargeticonfunctionis("mouseover") end ? /shrug :) |
| 04:54.49 | tomgg | That's not what he had but it is basically what I've written to replace it |
| 04:56.37 | kd3 | yay! "You won an auction for Blood-Soaked Invitation" |
| 04:56.46 | Seerah | yay! |
| 04:58.11 | Ackis | http://i.imgur.com/zanjK.jpg |
| 04:59.26 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.01 | Cairenn|afk | That's politer than I'd have been |
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| 05:03.59 | Cairenn|afk | I mean, I understand they have a job to do, but ... |
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| 06:05.28 | Neffi | Anyone have unusual unit frames in their UI? |
| 06:05.43 | Neffi | Eg not just basic rectangle bars that look like every UI? |
| 06:05.46 | Neffi | I need some inspiration |
| 06:05.59 | bluworkcow | *stifles perverted comment* |
| 06:06.34 | karl_w_w | i dont even know how u could make a perverted comment out of that |
| 06:06.46 | Neffi | I'm contemplating stealing realUI's design: http://i.imgur.com/FgPyi.png |
| 06:06.49 | Neffi | which is lovely |
| 06:07.09 | Neffi | but i want to make something more original and I need something to motivate me |
| 06:13.24 | karl_w_w | u can do it neffi' |
| 06:13.28 | karl_w_w | i believe in you |
| 06:13.48 | Neffi | that makes everything better |
| 06:14.02 | karl_w_w | i know |
| 06:16.16 | Neffi | the UI scene is so dead |
| 06:16.54 | Neffi | i think Kaitan is the only one pushing out something different and original nowadays |
| 06:17.42 | karl_w_w | not sure if srs |
| 06:18.05 | bluworkcow | a serious baby |
| 06:19.01 | Jammer | why do something complicated when people kinda just want to be able to absorb the information on quick glance |
| 06:19.01 | Neffi | show me a good thread where people are posting something that isn't just an oUF-Lily clone with some things moved around and resized? |
| 06:19.24 | Neffi | Some people like designing aesthetically pleasing things |
| 06:20.00 | karl_w_w | you say dead the rest of us say matured past frivolous crap |
| 06:20.01 | nevcairiel | you mean "some people like stealing such designs from others" ? :) |
| 06:20.02 | bluworkcow | i want boobies on my unitframes. |
| 06:20.14 | nevcairiel | if you like designing, just go ahead and do it |
| 06:20.19 | nevcairiel | dont need other people to also do it |
| 06:20.33 | bluworkcow | code me BoobieFrames Neffi. |
| 06:21.04 | karl_w_w | the boobie sags down further the less health you have |
| 06:21.17 | Neffi | yeah, but good ideas inspire |
| 06:21.22 | Cairenn|afk | ... |
| 06:21.23 | karl_w_w | nipple size can be a threat indicator |
| 06:21.44 | karl_w_w | cairenn is keen |
| 06:22.08 | Shirik | what |
| 06:22.13 | bluworkcow | no Cairenn is like "no way is that getting uploaded to wowinterface" |
| 06:22.15 | karl_w_w | does blizz ban explicit addons? |
| 06:22.33 | Cairenn|afk | bluworkcow: damn straight |
| 06:22.40 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 06:37.06 | Ackis | bluworkcow: the size of the areola could be health remaining |
| 06:37.15 | Cairenn|afk | ... |
| 06:38.36 | Ackis | :D |
| 06:39.07 | Primer | I'm trying to figure our why my disk lights come on when I run 2 instances of WoW. I have 8g of ram and process explorer shows that I'm not consuming enough memory to be swapping, but I suspect this is the case, as the pagefile is on the mechanical drive |
| 06:39.21 | Primer | Anyone know something like iostat for windows? |
| 06:40.28 | Primer | The disk thrashing causes enough of a slowdown as to even make the text I'm typing here in IRC lag |
| 06:41.25 | bluworkcow | fighting to get access to the MPQ files / cache loaded into memory maybe ? |
| 06:42.08 | bluworkcow | is there anything you can attach to each process to show what it's reading and writing ? |
| 06:43.04 | Primer | wow's on SSD |
| 06:43.43 | Primer | that's what I'm trying to find out |
| 06:47.34 | Shirik | linux can do that |
| 06:49.23 | bluworkcow | yan can cook |
| 06:49.36 | karl_w_w | Primer: process explorer? http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/bb795533 |
| 06:53.33 | bluipodcow | P |
| 06:53.46 | bluworkcow | dang it |
| 06:54.01 | bluworkcow | i have jam on one key of my keyboard and don't know which key it is |
| 06:54.07 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 06:57.44 | Primer | karl_w_w: I've been all up and down process explorer and I can't get the info I need from it |
| 06:58.48 | Dagmar | So there's apparently a mob in the Brawler's Guild that hits you so hard it knocks your ass offline. |
| 07:04.37 | kd3 | dippy? |
| 07:04.43 | kd3 | that'd be my first guess |
| 07:04.48 | kd3 | also, yay. I'm rank 3. time for zzz |
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| 07:11.32 | Neffi | Disable pagefil |
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| 07:13.36 | Neffi | Primer: I don't see how WoW thrashign the disk would make the text in IRC lag. |
| 07:13.42 | Neffi | I think your problem lies elsewhere |
| 07:13.56 | Neffi | anyway, disabling pagefile and reproducing the same situation would answer that question |
| 07:14.16 | Neffi | not to mention you probably dont need 8 GB RAM + pagefile on a desktop machine |
| 07:14.29 | kd3 | yet windows tends to freak out if you don't have a pagefile |
| 07:14.43 | Neffi | Not at all |
| 07:15.08 | Neffi | I've been running without pagefile ever since it became the norm to overequip PC/laptops with RAM |
| 07:15.43 | Neffi | Only problem I've ever encountered is when games are hardcoded to check if you have it enabled and refuse to start. |
| 07:15.53 | Neffi | Functionally it doesn't change a thing. That's why virtual memory exists. |
| 07:18.53 | Neffi | btw I'm on 6GB, using 64-bit WoW, and I run 2 copies of WoW fairly often. Never had it crash from lack of memory, but I have run into issues where the whole computer slows down more than it should (ever since 5.0 at least). |
| 07:19.03 | bluworkcow | i've had a similar issue on OS X - disc thrashing , everything going crazy , slow downs , not responsding. taking a long time to get output from typing a key or slecletcing something |
| 07:19.31 | bluworkcow | turns out the thing that starts up the dynamic pager file was missing for some reason. so i had no pagefiles at all. |
| 07:19.42 | nevcairiel | disabling the page file only has disadvantages (short of the space on your disc it frees), all positive effects are just rumors |
| 07:19.47 | Neffi | Essentially if one of the clients is in any part of Pandaria, the computer runs pretty slow with the 2nd copy open. Otherwise it works fine. Only Pandaria. |
| 07:19.49 | bluworkcow | so the folder where the VM files were was totally empty. |
| 07:19.55 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.54 | Neffi | Primer: My solution was to set background FPS to some very low number like 10 (/console maxfpsbk 10) which seemed to resolve the computer-wide slowdown for me. |
| 07:21.04 | Neffi | But if you're using multimonitor to play both at once, that's inideal |
| 07:21.31 | bluworkcow | dynamic pager not dynamic pager file |
| 07:23.46 | Neffi | Aside from the possibility of a process crashing when memory fills up, what disadvantages? |
| 07:24.05 | A-KO | saw the hobbit in HFR |
| 07:24.07 | A-KO | good stuff |
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| 07:24.22 | A-KO | don't turn off the page file |
| 07:24.22 | nevcairiel | i wish they made a 2D HFR, i seriously dislike 3D |
| 07:24.25 | Neffi | A-KO: What it good? (No spoilers please) |
| 07:24.36 | Neffi | Was* |
| 07:24.39 | nevcairiel | i saw it in 2D, and the movie itself is also good :p |
| 07:24.44 | A-KO | I contend that you likely don't know enough about Windows memory architecture to turn the page file off :) |
| 07:24.57 | A-KO | HFR was interesting. I too would like to see 2D HFR, but we'll see. |
| 07:25.04 | A-KO | 3D and HFR are likely to be mixed for some time |
| 07:25.43 | A-KO | 1/2 of an entire book on the internals of Windows is dedicated to memory architecture :) |
| 07:26.24 | A-KO | HFR is really, really nice. |
| 07:26.26 | A-KO | I liked it |
| 07:26.38 | A-KO | you could see details that otherwise would not have been captured in 24FPS motion |
| 07:26.41 | A-KO | or otherwise ignored |
| 07:26.55 | A-KO | the best way I can describe it is being astigmatic (I am) |
| 07:26.58 | A-KO | and finally getting glasses |
| 07:27.03 | nevcairiel | maybe i might go see it again in 3D HFR once the hype dies down and its easy to get a good seat =p |
| 07:27.21 | A-KO | sure, I can look at a tree, see the leaves, know it's leaves, and see movement. But when I put on glasses, I can make out the lines of the leaves. |
| 07:27.32 | A-KO | that's kind of what HFR does |
| 07:27.37 | A-KO | in motion it was impressive |
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| 07:28.24 | A-KO | I'd say we have a bit of a ways to go to be able to realize the true benefits of HFR yet. It adds a sense of motion that made the CG characters look nearly like muppets. |
| 07:28.30 | Neffi | Or when playing an FPS at 30 FPS and then upgrading the GPU and realizing how much better fluid motion resolution actually is? |
| 07:28.32 | A-KO | which, could be good and bad. |
| 07:29.17 | nevcairiel | interesting, apparently it is easy to get good tickets if you just go in the middle of the week when most people work |
| 07:29.21 | A-KO | the details of physical interactions of creatures becomes more apparent. |
| 07:30.22 | A-KO | increasing the resolution again would be nice, too |
| 07:30.48 | Neffi | It's already shot at 5K |
| 07:31.19 | A-KO | not enough |
| 07:31.31 | A-KO | they should push for at least double that |
| 07:31.33 | Neffi | For a screen like a theater probably not |
| 07:31.53 | nevcairiel | it always depends how far you sit from the screen, at normal viewing distance that should be fine |
| 07:32.08 | A-KO | "fine" versus "amazing" are two different things :P |
| 07:32.17 | nevcairiel | you wouldnt notice the difference |
| 07:32.22 | A-KO | I doubt that |
| 07:32.27 | A-KO | I'm sure I would |
| 07:32.32 | Neffi | I wonder if they keep the uncompressed 5K for archival? |
| 07:32.34 | A-KO | at least until I get older and my eyes fail completely. |
| 07:32.41 | nevcairiel | are you sure your cinema just doesnt have crap projectors? |
| 07:32.58 | A-KO | nevcairiel: pretty sure they just upgraded to the HFR projector to release this film |
| 07:33.07 | A-KO | so I suspect it's the state of the art type stuff here |
| 07:33.08 | A-KO | lol |
| 07:33.29 | nevcairiel | there is different levels they can buy :p |
| 07:34.04 | A-KO | Considering you can get 4K in a 90" screen now, and 1080P in 80" screen ; while movies are what? 4K? maybe 8? and like 30x the size..... |
| 07:34.11 | A-KO | theaters could deal with more resolution |
| 07:34.22 | A-KO | what I really think would be nice is a good 48FPS release for blu-ray |
| 07:34.26 | nevcairiel | you sit much closer to your tv |
| 07:34.28 | A-KO | on a solid TV that ought to kick ass |
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| 07:34.53 | Neffi | Well there is going to be a point where more pixels just doesnt make sense. I don't think 1080p is it. |
| 07:34.56 | A-KO | It doesn't look like I'm looking through a window yet. So we're not quite there on res. |
| 07:34.58 | Neffi | But going 10K totally would be |
| 07:35.51 | A-KO | I mean, what would the res of a 60" TV be with the iphone's retina display pixel density? |
| 07:35.54 | A-KO | I bet it would be far higher than 10K |
| 07:36.00 | bluipodcow | *rendwrs |
| 07:36.05 | Neffi | Anyway I think lighting is a lot more involved in photorealism. CGI just isn't there. |
| 07:36.10 | nevcairiel | A-KO: but also useless |
| 07:36.24 | nevcairiel | unless you glue your eye to your 60" TV like people do with their phones |
| 07:36.38 | A-KO | Neffi: Not there yet, for sure. It's amazing how 'fake' gollum looked despite the fact that 10 years ago with LOTR he was state of the art CG |
| 07:36.45 | A-KO | with subsurface scattering |
| 07:36.47 | A-KO | etc. |
| 07:36.55 | A-KO | we're getting pretty damn close though |
| 07:36.57 | bluworkcow | *renders A-Ko in 9999999999G* |
| 07:37.01 | bluworkcow | 'tear |
| 07:37.05 | bluworkcow | its beatiful |
| 07:37.17 | A-KO | nevcairiel: I disagree with it being useless. It's like the people crying now saying 48FPS is useless, etc. |
| 07:37.28 | Neffi | I'm not sure if we're "getting close" more than just throwing more resources at it |
| 07:38.22 | nevcairiel | A-KO: the point is to not "see" pixels from a normal viewing distance. A phone has a viewing distance of maybe 30-50cm, a tv of that size usually 2 meters at least, you just don't need the same density |
| 07:39.16 | nevcairiel | for a 60", 1080p may not be enough, but 4K will be |
| 07:39.22 | A-KO | nevcairiel: It's not to the point where it looks like I'm looking through a window yet, so to me, the clarity isn't there. When it gets to that point, that's when I'll be content. |
| 07:39.27 | Neffi | I disagree on the point of seeing no pixels |
| 07:39.42 | nevcairiel | there is more factors then just more pixels to that |
| 07:40.17 | A-KO | and at some point it is beyond "seeing pixels", but the minute details that you can render by having more of them regardless if you 'see' them or not. Same with the 48FPS imagery....you notice so much more stuff with the extra frames. A vast majority of it is subtle, that adds to the overall experience. |
| 07:40.20 | Neffi | A 24" 480p screen which was pretty typical before the HD fad was typically viewed at a distance where no pixels were distinguishable. An HD screen viewed from an equivalent distance still resolves more details |
| 07:40.23 | Neffi | like individual hairs |
| 07:40.41 | Neffi | But I agree 4K is going to be as high as we need to go for home viewing |
| 07:41.34 | nevcairiel | pixels may not be 100% obvious to see, but if you can add more details by adding more pixels, then you can still "see" those pixels |
| 07:41.56 | nevcairiel | in 4K on a 60" screen, if you make a one pixel modification, you won't find it |
| 07:42.08 | nevcairiel | on 480p 24", you just might :p |
| 07:42.28 | A-KO | It's not about the one pixel though. It's about the total combination thereof. If you've ever had eye problems you'd understand...... |
| 07:42.42 | A-KO | I could have told you for 10 years my eyesight was fine |
| 07:42.51 | A-KO | until I got glasses |
| 07:42.52 | A-KO | lol |
| 07:43.04 | A-KO | similar concept |
| 07:43.47 | A-KO | To many people, some people can't 'perceive' 60Hz. I can see the difference between 60 and 80. In fact, on certain types of lights in a room I can see the flickering from the bulbs. |
| 07:43.57 | A-KO | always have |
| 07:44.08 | nevcairiel | 3D is the reason you may think details are missing, tbh. I always get the feeling its less sharp then a 2D image when watching it in the cinema |
| 07:44.26 | nevcairiel | and the projector stats agree, 3D just renders half the resolution because it has to render two images |
| 07:44.53 | A-KO | see the film in HFR, you'll see what I'm meaning. You'll see details that don't account for the move to 3D. |
| 07:44.57 | A-KO | Particularly during high motion |
| 07:45.08 | nevcairiel | I never argued that more fps don't help |
| 07:45.28 | nevcairiel | I just dislike 3D :P |
| 07:45.43 | nevcairiel | it removes image sharpness for some weird 3D effects |
| 07:45.46 | A-KO | I am generally not a fan of "3D" in films where they don't use it. Honestly, this is one of those films. |
| 07:45.53 | A-KO | But they don't do HFR 2D Hobbit |
| 07:45.53 | A-KO | so |
| 07:45.58 | A-KO | gotta deal with it :P |
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| 07:46.35 | A-KO | I only see movies in 3D for the sake that the local "IMAX" theater does not play a film without it on that screen if it's a 3D movie. |
| 07:46.49 | A-KO | I don't see 3D for the sake of seeing 3D. I see 3D because I have no choice if I want the higher end experience. |
| 07:47.18 | nevcairiel | many cases the damn cinemas dont even offer the 2D version in any quality =p |
| 07:47.41 | A-KO | that said, a well done 3D film is great |
| 07:47.51 | A-KO | lots of 100% animated movies in 3D are good. Avatar actually had solid 3D. |
| 07:47.52 | nevcairiel | there is maybe one of thos every year |
| 07:48.03 | A-KO | but everything else is just pretty much 2D |
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| 07:48.55 | Neffi | nevcairiel: Is that strictly correct? I believe there are systems that register 2 full-resolution images each with different polarizations |
| 07:49.07 | A-KO | that's what ours are |
| 07:49.09 | Neffi | But I will agree with A-KO on the point of bad eyesight |
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| 07:49.12 | A-KO | turn your head sideways, images goes out of focus |
| 07:50.01 | Neffi | Eg 1080p looks far better to me than 720p even when viewing from distances a bit further than theoretical imperceptibility |
| 07:50.22 | A-KO | the difference between 1080P and 720P to me are minute, but there. |
| 07:50.29 | A-KO | I prefer 1080P where I can |
| 07:50.41 | Neffi | It's counterintuitive because bad eyesight should mean higher resolutions are lost on me, but for some reason it's the opposite |
| 07:50.48 | A-KO | I really am looking forward to 4K |
| 07:50.55 | A-KO | so a 4K TV will be solid. Can't wait to see it |
| 07:51.03 | A-KO | thinking about driving dow nto Tyson's to go see the one at the Sony store |
| 07:51.12 | A-KO | it's a 1.5 hour drive for me |
| 07:51.34 | durcyn | what, not 8K? |
| 07:51.39 | Neffi | Are you rich A-KO? |
| 07:52.36 | Neffi | Because IMO color accuracy/richness, contrast ratios, etc are more important than going 1080->4K. I'd rather have a higher quality 2K screen than an average 4K screen. |
| 07:52.50 | Neffi | I imagine a really wonderful 4K screen would cost a ridiculous amount |
| 07:52.57 | nevcairiel | 4K still needs a few generations to be truely viable at home |
| 07:53.05 | Neffi | Aye |
| 07:53.08 | nevcairiel | not to mention lack of content short of a handful of tech demo trailers |
| 07:53.20 | A-KO | Neffi: Why not both? For the most part the one nice benefit of 4K with something like blu-ray is more information for compression. Which is the biggest deal here. It's not ENTIRELY about 'resolution' so much as it is feeding enough information for compression algorithms to provide a clearer image. |
| 07:53.28 | Neffi | Other areas of screen tech can stand to be improved a lot, and will be by the time 4K is prevalent enough to matter |
| 07:53.31 | Neffi | it's a smarter investment to wait |
| 07:53.32 | A-KO | Neffi: They're $25,000 |
| 07:54.02 | A-KO | I mean, Youtube has a 4K resolution video. It's not about the 4K, obviously my LCD isn't 4K ; but you can't tell me you can't see a difference between that and the 1080P variant of the same video. You're insane. |
| 07:54.25 | Neffi | Blu-ray supports H.265? |
| 07:54.40 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8&list=PL5BF9E09ECEC8F88F&index=1 |
| 07:55.15 | nevcairiel | A proper 1080p encode can give you the same quality of a 4K downscale at smaller size, youtubs auto-downscaled encodes are just not ideal |
| 07:55.16 | Neffi | I have a 720p screen |
| 07:56.14 | nevcairiel | usually people just dont throw enough bandwidth at things |
| 07:56.15 | A-KO | nevcairiel: I disagree. What I would agree with is that in full, uncompressed mode, a proper 1080P image is pretty good. But you don't get uncompressed video at home. The higher amount of information in the image translates to a much clearer picture, period. |
| 07:56.29 | nevcairiel | thats just wrong |
| 07:56.38 | nevcairiel | you can do a transparent encode with any good codec |
| 07:56.52 | nevcairiel | so if you say the 1080p uncompressed is good, you can also get that compressed |
| 07:57.01 | A-KO | the source video that you're "encoding" *itself* is compressed (blu-ray) |
| 07:57.06 | A-KO | so you can't realy compare |
| 07:57.08 | Neffi | A-KO: You don't need to go uncompressed to peak the detail of 1080p |
| 07:57.16 | nevcairiel | its just that broadcasts use a way too low bandwidth, and even plenty blu-rays are over-compressed |
| 07:57.32 | Neffi | a lot of H.264's compression is in transformations and such. Use the highest profile. |
| 07:57.58 | Neffi | 265 introduces more compute-intensive temporal transformations and other things |
| 07:58.00 | nevcairiel | Blame the content providers for bad encodes |
| 07:58.29 | nevcairiel | sure, a higher resolution encode has more details because its just higher resolution |
| 07:58.37 | nevcairiel | but you can get the same at 1080p at less size |
| 07:58.49 | nevcairiel | its just that they dont give you that |
| 07:59.02 | A-KO | like I said, until it looks like I'm looking through a window at this stuff the detail just isn't there :P |
| 07:59.08 | A-KO | but on that note, it's 3am, and I'm off to sleep |
| 07:59.28 | nevcairiel | and like i said, its much more then just resolution and pixels :P |
| 08:02.09 | nevcairiel | maybe i should go make some breakfast |
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| 08:36.58 | Fisker | hugs nevcairiel |
| 08:47.35 | pompy | hey, thanks fisker |
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| 08:55.52 | Fisker | no problem pompy |
| 08:55.57 | Fisker | it works every year btw |
| 08:56.06 | Fisker | "A buyer has been found for your auction of Ice Cold Milk" |
| 09:12.41 | karl_w_w | it's taken me months to work out what part of the pet you click in the battle pet slots for it to become the selected pet |
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| 09:33.49 | Jamash | what part is it? |
| 09:34.15 | Jamash | I've been poking at it in a mystified fashion |
| 09:35.46 | Jamash | I hadn't realized that mac os x enforces unicode normalization form D on all file names |
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| 09:43.52 | pompy | Fisker: what for the upcoming winterveil? |
| 09:44.20 | Fisker | upcoming? |
| 09:44.22 | Fisker | already begun |
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| 09:44.37 | pompy | ah nice, wonder if theres anything new |
| 09:44.47 | pompy | i only need the bb king achievement |
| 09:46.13 | Neffi | Any thoughts? |
| 09:46.14 | Neffi | http://i.imgur.com/dfrDn.png |
| 09:46.28 | Neffi | I liked rUI's author's idea too much not to pretty much rip it off |
| 09:46.39 | Neffi | but changed it up a bit |
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| 11:07.31 | karl_w_w | Jamash: the 3d model |
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| 11:12.37 | karl_w_w | the piece of the puzzle thet fell into place for me to be able to work it out is i noticed there's a 3d model there |
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| 11:43.52 | Adys | Step 1: Stand in Ironforge |
| 11:44.05 | Adys | Step 2: Sell portal to Hillsbrad next to the daily questgiver |
| 11:44.13 | Adys | Step 3: Make 1000g / 10 min |
| 11:44.16 | Adys | kd3: ^ |
| 11:44.29 | Fisker | :( |
| 11:44.36 | Fisker | i only made like 300g on my ice cold milk |
| 11:44.44 | Fisker | i milked it myself |
| 11:44.46 | Fisker | moo |
| 11:45.15 | cbreak | hillsbrad? why would anyone want to go there? |
| 11:45.28 | Fisker | winter's veil cbreak |
| 11:45.45 | Adys | the portal is about 50 yards from the quest npc |
| 11:45.49 | Adys | i love it |
| 11:46.03 | Adys | it's like I'm selling the laziness blizzard usually implements |
| 11:46.04 | Fisker | there's a portal? :O |
| 11:46.11 | Fisker | i just flew there |
| 11:46.16 | Adys | there isn't |
| 11:46.17 | Adys | I'm a mage |
| 11:46.19 | Adys | I'm awesome |
| 11:46.22 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 11:46.27 | Adys | ancient dalaran portal |
| 11:46.57 | cbreak | but hillsbrad is near redridge, right? |
| 11:47.12 | Adys | no? |
| 11:47.15 | Adys | its next to arathi |
| 11:47.17 | Adys | way up north |
| 11:47.21 | cbreak | hmm. |
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| 12:10.32 | karl_w_w | there's a portal to hillsbrad? |
| 12:10.56 | karl_w_w | ah right |
| 12:11.35 | cbreak | there is? |
| 12:12.25 | Adys | cbreak: ancient portal dalaran |
| 12:13.06 | cbreak | where's that from? |
| 12:13.24 | cbreak | I only have one to the new dalaran |
| 12:14.04 | cbreak | hmm... a book |
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| 12:25.13 | VIad | any tips how I can get the spellID of the spell to be cast from a macro? |
| 12:25.40 | VIad | would GetMacroSpell work? |
| 12:26.31 | cbreak | maybe wowhead? :) |
| 12:27.50 | VIad | hehe, addon uses GetActionInfo to extract spellIDs :p |
| 12:30.55 | VIad | WeakAuras code editor don't suport {} lol :D |
| 12:36.23 | VIad | shame I can't get actionSlotIndex -> frame |
| 12:36.34 | VIad | so many bar addons, so many frame names :( |
| 12:37.43 | zenzelezz | so after shoveling snow for three hours, only two parts of my clothes were dry: my socks and my boots. The rest were soaked. At least I have good winter shoes. |
| 12:38.00 | cbreak | well |
| 12:38.28 | cbreak | maybe the water came from the inside |
| 12:38.38 | nevcairiel | if all you did was shovle snow, you either sweat a lot or you misunderstand how the concept works |
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| 12:40.19 | cbreak | the easiest way to shovel snow is to wait until it melts on its own. |
| 12:40.41 | zenzelezz | not very smart when your entire veranda is covered by heavy, wet snow |
| 12:41.05 | zenzelezz | and the humidity came from both inside and outside; was snowing/raining half the time |
| 12:41.30 | zenzelezz | my nerd muscles don't deal with such physical labor very well |
| 12:41.34 | karl_w_w | solution: don't have a veranda |
| 12:41.54 | zenzelezz | it came with the apartment, would cost too much to remove |
| 12:43.14 | cbreak | my nerd muscles survived half an hour of snow removal only |
| 12:43.57 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 12:45.22 | zenzelezz | while shoveling I witnessed two people try futilely to get their cars out of the parking lot |
| 12:47.32 | zenzelezz | the shovelling also wouldn't have been so bad if I didn't - like every year - put it off until "next weekend" |
| 12:49.48 | Stanzilla | I had to do it 4 times a day for the whole of last week |
| 12:49.49 | Stanzilla | so there |
| 12:49.50 | Stanzilla | :() |
| 12:53.47 | zenzelezz | where do you live? |
| 12:56.20 | Stanzilla | germany |
| 12:56.50 | Gnarfoz | the bad part of it |
| 12:57.59 | Stanzilla | s/bad/best/ |
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| 13:09.26 | foxlit | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/aaronstanton/the-game-of-books-a-discovery-game-for-libraries-a |
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| 13:36.17 | karl_w_w | Adys: make the portal free and the slow falls 500g |
| 13:41.28 | VIad | slow fall effects disappear after you enter a portal, not sure why... |
| 13:41.34 | VIad | probably other short term buffs also disappear |
| 13:44.54 | karl_w_w | thats not true! |
| 13:45.19 | VIad | I buffed a guy before he entered my ancient dalaran portal, but he landed and died on the other side - go figure |
| 13:45.51 | foxlit | natural selection; the guy needs a better pc. |
| 13:46.17 | VIad | well I buffed both of us for timing, he died long before the buff expired :P |
| 13:46.35 | VIad | later when I myself entered it, I had to rebuff myself after being ported to the other side |
| 13:47.20 | bluspacecow | omg ! i can't see the innkeeper NPC icantseeNPCS OMGOMGOMGOMGPANICMYNET---- |
| 13:47.22 | bluspacecow | oh wait |
| 13:47.29 | bluspacecow | i'm standing on her |
| 13:47.51 | VIad | game of books, is it a digital thing or? |
| 13:48.44 | VIad | "Each time you claim a book you've read in The Game, you receive credit for those experiences in the form of badges and experience points." |
| 13:48.55 | VIad | I hope it won't turn out to a XP hoarding fest just because people can :P |
| 13:49.06 | VIad | and the true readers will be burried over by, basically cheaters |
| 13:49.16 | VIad | would kind of ruin the fun |
| 13:49.51 | karl_w_w | i just buffed myself and then went through and i was fine |
| 13:50.02 | VIad | maybe they changed stuff in 5.1 ;) |
| 13:50.16 | VIad | tested it early mop |
| 13:50.56 | VIad | maybe it acts weirer if you are grouped with someone cross realm, don't know |
| 13:53.42 | karl_w_w | fantastic ideas from blizzard: make crzs so people can make huge raid groups for the sole purpose of griefing, then when you put a huge holiday event objective in the middle of one of these zones, put the GY a mile away and on the wrong side of some mountains |
| 13:53.53 | VIad | :D |
| 13:53.59 | VIad | the yeti stuff? |
| 13:54.44 | VIad | btw |
| 13:54.51 | karl_w_w | no the other current holiday event that is in a crz :P |
| 13:55.08 | VIad | by accident saw trailer for oblivion |
| 13:55.15 | VIad | spoiled half the movie and plot twists |
| 13:55.21 | VIad | why make trailers that tell so much? ... |
| 13:55.34 | VIad | I never watch them, sadly by accident I spoiled half the movie lol |
| 13:56.07 | VIad | I haven't seen the other holiday event |
| 13:56.10 | VIad | it's christmas now |
| 13:56.12 | VIad | winter veil |
| 13:56.27 | karl_w_w | what's an oblivion? |
| 13:56.31 | VIad | what else is going on? my calendar was empty |
| 13:56.33 | VIad | a movie |
| 13:56.56 | Adys | karl_w_w: vlad is quite correct |
| 13:56.59 | Adys | slow fall disappears |
| 13:57.25 | karl_w_w | it most certainly doesn't from me |
| 13:58.02 | karl_w_w | sarcasm VIad |
| 14:00.09 | VIad | :P |
| 14:00.41 | VIad | but on the mater of trailers |
| 14:00.52 | VIad | trailer is supposed to get you interested, not spoil plot points like hell |
| 14:01.57 | VIad | depends on the movie, but if it was a trailer for a movie with a plot twist, if you spell it out in the trailer it's kind of obscolete isn't it? all the work to try make it a big reveal and all, down the drain |
| 14:02.25 | VIad | "will earth survive?" and last scene shows a huge explosion splitting earth in half - great job trailer :P |
| 14:04.25 | VIad | often trailers also try tricking you to think that you know what will happen by putting the scenes and dialog in a way that leads you to believe something that is not true in the movie, still, when you know this you can still get "spoiled" when imagining the other side and possibilities from what you saw |
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| 14:05.15 | VIad | I guess I am just saying, keep the damn trailers short and don't say too much :P |
| 14:05.30 | VIad | video game demos usually show a little of the start to get you intrigued, that's how it should be ;) |
| 14:05.37 | Gnarfoz | why are you talking to yourself |
| 14:06.03 | VIad | why not? |
| 14:06.49 | VIad | two words made you incapable of replying, Gnarfoz :P |
| 14:07.39 | Gnarfoz | incapable? I just don't want to incur the wrath of the Administratrix |
| 14:08.44 | bluspacecow | jewelcrafting skill maxed out :) |
| 14:08.55 | bluspacecow | now which alt to level now โฆ .druid ? warlock ? |
| 14:09.44 | VIad | druid because you got more options :D |
| 14:09.51 | VIad | warlock have more pet control |
| 14:09.54 | VIad | ...requirements |
| 14:10.07 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 14:10.07 | bluspacecow | higher maintaince lol |
| 14:10.08 | VIad | do warlock if you want to get pro at pet managing |
| 14:10.17 | Gnarfoz | warlocks require almost no pet managing |
| 14:10.21 | Gnarfoz | but do keep talking |
| 14:10.27 | VIad | no pet managing? |
| 14:10.35 | VIad | that's what the bad warlocks say :P |
| 14:10.51 | VIad | gotta use pet abilities properly to separate yourself from the other Mr and Mrs Joe ;) |
| 14:11.06 | Gnarfoz | she's leveling something |
| 14:11.07 | VIad | spellock, seduction, you name it |
| 14:11.09 | Gnarfoz | not high-end raiding |
| 14:11.16 | Gnarfoz | also, YOU name it |
| 14:11.17 | bluspacecow | why do i want to seperate myself from Mr and Mrs Joe ? |
| 14:11.20 | bluspacecow | they're so sexy ! |
| 14:11.28 | bluspacecow | also whose she ? |
| 14:11.48 | karl_w_w | warlocks are just wannabe mages |
| 14:11.50 | Gnarfoz | you, with the broken spacebar |
| 14:11.50 | VIad | sure, Gnarfoz, but leveling or not, leveling is just an excuse to spam one or two spells, since stuff aren't exactly challenging :P |
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| 14:12.00 | bluspacecow | <----- guy |
| 14:12.24 | VIad | it doesn't mean you can learn to properly play, even if just leveling, you just need to be aware of the possibilities and try to learn to be efficient using what you got ;) |
| 14:12.47 | Gnarfoz | bluspacebull :D |
| 14:12.54 | VIad | gonna hoover the house |
| 14:13.12 | bluspacecow | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/Photo%20on%202010-10-09%20at%2000.11.jpg |
| 14:13.16 | bluspacecow | a bluspacecow IRL |
| 14:13.16 | Gnarfoz | hoover up all that bs you're talking, while you're at it :P |
| 14:13.26 | bluspacecow | actually |
| 14:13.34 | bluspacecow | i do like rather girlish don't i |
| 14:13.44 | VIad | Gnarfoz, sorry to hear you limit your class abilities ;) |
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| 14:14.31 | Gnarfoz | VIad: pressing spell lock when there's an interruptible spell is not "pro pet management" and seduction is pointless almost 100% of the time in PVE |
| 14:15.46 | Gnarfoz | (not to mention there's totally different things depending on spec that could be called "pet management", sacrificing pets for example) |
| 14:15.48 | VIad | depends, thus since it's a situational thing I find it more appropriate to include pet management than to exclude |
| 14:15.49 | karl_w_w | implying locks ever even use the pet with spell lock or seduction |
| 14:15.59 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: that, too |
| 14:16.37 | VIad | I am not sure how locks are in mop since I haven't played mine since early cata, but this sacrificing business is just an excuse and a way out from not having to use pets :P |
| 14:16.39 | karl_w_w | and occasionally using a spell that your pet casts is not pet management, it's pet utilization |
| 14:17.15 | karl_w_w | pets dont need to be managed, blizz made it that way cos no1 ever managed them so they always died to aoe and stuff |
| 14:17.21 | Gnarfoz | VIad: or... not? maybe you should look into what you're talking about before talking about it |
| 14:18.07 | VIad | it's true, gaining a buff by removing your pet from combat is just making it easier, one button less to consider (the pet abilities you gotta trigger manually) |
| 14:18.13 | Gnarfoz | saying warlocks require you to pay attention to a pet all the time is... mind boggling |
| 14:19.11 | VIad | I am a bit old fashioned, especially on the warlock scene, but for pvp look at for example drakedog videos, pet is a important factor :P for pve, probably not, but doesn't hurt anyone knowing how to do it :P |
| 14:19.23 | Gnarfoz | VIad: except... when you sacrifice a pet, the warlock gains an ability? thus: buttons = the same |
| 14:19.31 | VIad | that is a new thing |
| 14:19.59 | Gnarfoz | ...so? you're still wrong about basically everything |
| 14:20.19 | VIad | not if you turn back the clock to perhaps wotlk ish :P |
| 14:20.26 | Gnarfoz | which you can't |
| 14:20.34 | VIad | not my fault you started to play warlock in cataclysm so you don't know how it used to be :D |
| 14:20.36 | Gnarfoz | yes, Drakedog (who played mostly in vanilla and some BC) is a good example of what warlocks are about in 2012 |
| 14:20.48 | Gnarfoz | uhm, I don't play a warlock at all, I'm just not braindead |
| 14:21.12 | Gnarfoz | (actually, I played one from launch until shortly before BC release) |
| 14:21.25 | VIad | then play a druid |
| 14:21.38 | Gnarfoz | because of "more options" |
| 14:21.40 | Gnarfoz | whatever that means |
| 14:21.56 | VIad | warlock = ranged dps, druid = ranged dps, melee dps, tank, healer |
| 14:21.58 | VIad | :P |
| 14:22.00 | VIad | more options |
| 14:22.16 | Gnarfoz | yes, that's kind of obvious |
| 14:22.22 | VIad | and stealth mechanic is nice to have as an possibility |
| 14:22.29 | karl_w_w | except druid is still a substandard choice for all those roles :P |
| 14:22.33 | karl_w_w | other than healer i guess |
| 14:22.41 | Gnarfoz | now you're the one who's not making sense |
| 14:23.03 | VIad | balance always changes so it's pointless to think like that |
| 14:23.05 | Gnarfoz | haven't seen a feral druid in MoP, yet, but for tank, healer and caster, they're just as good as everyone else |
| 14:23.33 | karl_w_w | not from every1 else's perspective, from the player's perspective |
| 14:24.01 | karl_w_w | they are all a slightly less interesting and simpler version of another class |
| 14:24.03 | VIad | just the fact that the class has more specializations on the table means at some point in some patch, druids in that role will probably be OP for a while, then the torch is passed to someone else |
| 14:24.27 | Gnarfoz | VIad: and that's important how, when deciding which alt to level next |
| 14:24.51 | VIad | just that if you level a druid you may in the future come to a patch where one of the specializations is OP so you can play it :P |
| 14:24.57 | Gnarfoz | it's an alt, possibly an existing one, not a fresh character |
| 14:25.16 | Gnarfoz | yes, because people choose their class by "is it OP?" oO |
| 14:25.27 | karl_w_w | some people die |
| 14:25.31 | karl_w_w | er, do* |
| 14:25.38 | karl_w_w | but we laugh at those people |
| 14:25.42 | Gnarfoz | some people die, too :D |
| 14:25.43 | karl_w_w | derisively |
| 14:25.44 | VIad | no, but people should have an inventory of characters that gives you more flexibility :P |
| 14:25.54 | karl_w_w | why? |
| 14:25.55 | Gnarfoz | they should? I don't think so |
| 14:26.06 | VIad | often I relog another character to help out |
| 14:26.10 | VIad | it's nice to have the options ;) |
| 14:26.24 | karl_w_w | no it isnt |
| 14:26.26 | VIad | if I had rogue, hunter, mage, warlock I couldn't tank or heal :P |
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| 14:26.43 | karl_w_w | maybe a couple of classes so u can fill another role in an emergency |
| 14:26.55 | Gnarfoz | I certainly don't have time to level enough characters and equip them to a level worth anything in a group |
| 14:26.57 | VIad | druid or paladin is a good alt to have in the bank |
| 14:27.03 | karl_w_w | but any1 serious about anything will focus on a couple of classes and get good at them |
| 14:27.08 | VIad | exactly Gnarfoz |
| 14:27.11 | karl_w_w | not try and follow fotm all their lives |
| 14:27.18 | VIad | why not have a druid/pala in reserve? one character, many roles :P |
| 14:27.29 | Gnarfoz | ... |
| 14:27.36 | Gnarfoz | and you're going to level that and equip it, WHEN? |
| 14:27.41 | VIad | you said you don't have time to level enough characters |
| 14:27.43 | Gnarfoz | for 3 or even 4 roles, no less? |
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| 14:27.55 | Gnarfoz | yes? I said that. |
| 14:27.59 | Stanzilla | what is going on here |
| 14:28.11 | bluspacecow | going from spell casting to melees going to be interesting |
| 14:28.15 | VIad | you don't need to have gear for all the roles, lol, just the once your main can't do :P |
| 14:28.19 | Gnarfoz | Amarande fanclub (of 1) going strong |
| 14:28.38 | Gnarfoz | VIad: so... I could have just picked a class that does something my main doesn't |
| 14:29.11 | VIad | I am merely suggesting, make an alt with possibilities and perhaps something you need training to do :P pet management is one form of training |
| 14:29.48 | VIad | if you play shadow priest and wanna make a destruction warlock, that's your choice, but feels restricting functionality wise :P |
| 14:29.48 | Stanzilla | sounds like wow for newbies 1o1 |
| 14:30.07 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I don't pick classes by how much "training" I need |
| 14:30.13 | karl_w_w | I think VIad's onto something, we should all level up 11 characters and when one of them isnt high enough on whatever charts, blame nerfs and switch to whichever class people on the forums are currently crying about |
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| 14:30.39 | Gnarfoz | I just play my paladin to the max, as much as I can, and everything else is secondary to that - that's what my time allows |
| 14:30.40 | VIad | karl_w_w: I only need to make a monk and I got every class to minimum level 40 now :P most are actually 70 ish |
| 14:30.50 | VIad | but that is what happens when you like me, have played for a long time |
| 14:30.57 | Gnarfoz | great, so you don't even PLAY endgame or what |
| 14:31.02 | karl_w_w | no it isnt VIad |
| 14:31.04 | Gnarfoz | no, it's not VIad |
| 14:31.16 | karl_w_w | I know plenty of people who have played for a long time and only have 1 level 90 |
| 14:31.19 | VIad | so you are making the same classes over again? |
| 14:31.21 | VIad | oh |
| 14:31.22 | Gnarfoz | I've played since EU launch and not just a little bit, either |
| 14:31.30 | Gnarfoz | no, why would I MAKE the same character again when I already have it |
| 14:31.30 | Stanzilla | that happens when you reach lvl 90 and have nothing else to do |
| 14:31.37 | VIad | well having only one class that you play is fine but I think it gets boring eventually |
| 14:31.50 | Stanzilla | ..if you don't have shit to do |
| 14:31.57 | Stanzilla | and iirc VIad is not raiding |
| 14:32.04 | Stanzilla | so you're missing a bit part of WoW PVE |
| 14:32.07 | Stanzilla | *big |
| 14:32.14 | Gnarfoz | maybe when all you do is get it to max level and equip it for 1 role it can do... or something |
| 14:32.44 | karl_w_w | clear msv lfr and then consider it finished and roll an alt :P |
| 14:32.54 | VIad | I always consider my guardian druid my main, but it can pull off nice dps just swapping to feral with the same gear tough, hehe. |
| 14:33.13 | VIad | so haven't needed to hunt feral gear tbh |
| 14:33.26 | VIad | only reason I am not healer anymore is because my offspec is kat :( |
| 14:33.32 | VIad | s/kat/cat |
| 14:33.48 | VIad | but I feel the discussion derailed long time ago lol |
| 14:33.53 | Stanzilla | I don't see how this is related to the previous part of the conversation |
| 14:33.54 | Stanzilla | but ok :D |
| 14:33.56 | VIad | search party already cleaned up the crash and fixed the railroad |
| 14:34.15 | VIad | well, karl_w_w started talking about LFR and progression so his fault |
| 14:34.27 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 14:35.08 | Stanzilla | ?_? |
| 14:35.16 | VIad | bluspacecow: what classes you got to 90? |
| 14:35.17 | Gnarfoz | please don't forget it was you who said idiotic things like "play a warlock alt if you want to become pro at pet management" |
| 14:35.25 | VIad | sorry about that |
| 14:35.26 | bluspacecow | mage! |
| 14:35.40 | VIad | I'd pick something more sturdy for an alt :D |
| 14:35.44 | karl_w_w | http://www.cisionwire.com/animal-protection-agency/r/vibrating-tortoise-is--cured--as-experts-warn-that-tortoises-are-not-easy-pets,c9348516 |
| 14:35.55 | bluspacecow | erm thats not an alt |
| 14:35.59 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: pet management! :D |
| 14:36.19 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 14:36.22 | VIad | I know, you said you were making an at :P |
| 14:36.31 | VIad | so I suggest something more sturdy than a mage hehe |
| 14:36.44 | VIad | alt* |
| 14:36.49 | karl_w_w | more sturdy than a mage |
| 14:36.51 | karl_w_w | wat |
| 14:36.58 | VIad | you know, plate :P |
| 14:36.58 | bluspacecow | i know ! |
| 14:37.03 | bluspacecow | a liquor cabinet |
| 14:37.06 | bluspacecow | *drinks* |
| 14:37.20 | karl_w_w | plates are not more sturdy than mages |
| 14:37.38 | VIad | ~dict studry |
| 14:37.49 | bluspacecow | l2spell |
| 14:37.58 | VIad | ~dict sturdy |
| 14:37.59 | karl_w_w | a studry is where studs live |
| 14:38.21 | VIad | not sure if cloth would fit in :P |
| 14:38.33 | karl_w_w | i dont build warriors |
| 14:38.44 | VIad | paladin is sturdy too, and have options |
| 14:38.49 | VIad | tankadin, healadin or just dps |
| 14:39.00 | VIad | very different playstyle than mage, might be fun to get into |
| 14:39.05 | karl_w_w | you haven't managed to give a reason they are more sturdy |
| 14:39.19 | VIad | because plate is a sturdy material compared to cloth |
| 14:39.52 | karl_w_w | oh, so you mean for roleplay purposes? |
| 14:40.04 | Gnarfoz | I think he means PVP |
| 14:40.06 | Gnarfoz | for some reason |
| 14:40.10 | VIad | lol |
| 14:40.25 | VIad | antonym for study is soft |
| 14:40.27 | Gnarfoz | (not that he'd be correct, there's more classes that don't care about your AC then those that do) |
| 14:40.45 | VIad | if it helps you understand that plate is sturdy, has more armor, can take more physical beating |
| 14:40.52 | VIad | while cloth is not :P |
| 14:40.56 | Gnarfoz | and that's important for what situation |
| 14:41.01 | VIad | pve |
| 14:41.04 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 14:41.07 | karl_w_w | if ur trying to tank things on a cloth wearer you're doing it wrong |
| 14:41.14 | Gnarfoz | ^ |
| 14:41.18 | VIad | I see how mages run around kiting mobs, someone with plate would melee the hell out of them :D |
| 14:41.30 | Gnarfoz | the mage is probably still going to kill them faster. |
| 14:41.31 | bluspacecow | IMMA PRO MAGE TANK |
| 14:42.04 | VIad | to quote what I said "so I suggest something more sturdy than a mage hehe" - not having to always kite around would mean a different playing experience |
| 14:42.12 | VIad | not sure why pvp has to be a part of the equation |
| 14:42.18 | karl_w_w | a minute ago you were advocating picking an alt that will let you practice other skills |
| 14:42.28 | VIad | and paladin doesn't? |
| 14:42.34 | VIad | very different from mage dps |
| 14:42.44 | karl_w_w | now you want people to pick the class that can just stand there and right click derp because kiting things around is too much like hard work |
| 14:43.00 | VIad | that's your own interpretation of the class :P |
| 14:43.12 | karl_w_w | no, that's yours |
| 14:43.13 | Gnarfoz | no, it's what you said |
| 14:43.22 | VIad | I never said "just stand there and right click derp" |
| 14:43.36 | karl_w_w | i was paraphrasing |
| 14:43.44 | bluspacecow | you just did say that lol |
| 14:43.47 | Gnarfoz | I think the main misconception is that he likes talking for talking's sake, so he's just saying the blatantly obvious: classes are different. roll a different one than you already play for an alt. |
| 14:44.11 | VIad | I am just saying what you said in the last part, Gnarfoz |
| 14:44.28 | karl_w_w | oh look it's AB weekend |
| 14:44.38 | karl_w_w | makes me wanna pvp |
| 14:44.44 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: lots of A/B testing going on. :P |
| 14:45.22 | VIad | chats can be annoying if those that read don't take what you try to say the proper way |
| 14:45.35 | VIad | I mean one thing, you read something else, discussion gets weird |
| 14:45.42 | VIad | prefer IRL :P |
| 14:46.04 | VIad | sadly I am alone so you are my only friends |
| 14:46.28 | VIad | you can just close the window and do other stuff, talk to others, but I'll still be here talking to myself, alone :< |
| 14:46.52 | VIad | I guess I exaggerated a bit there |
| 14:46.59 | Gnarfoz | your misconception: we're not even your friends |
| 14:47.13 | Gnarfoz | -_- |
| 14:47.20 | VIad | isn't that sad? if you had empathy you'd think so :P |
| 14:48.11 | karl_w_w | so time to change the subject completely |
| 14:48.12 | Gnarfoz | it's sad that you apparently have no friends except random people on IRC? many people would think so |
| 14:48.22 | karl_w_w | what's this about a pet you can only buy if ur a goblin? |
| 14:48.30 | karl_w_w | buy or capture or something |
| 14:48.47 | VIad | I got some friends, but mostly just people I know, sadly they aren't here atm :P |
| 14:49.16 | VIad | that's why it's very fun for me to go to work, I get to socialice face to face :D |
| 14:49.25 | VIad | socialize* my typing is for shit today |
| 14:49.39 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: http://www.wowhead.com/npc=63086#comments |
| 14:49.57 | karl_w_w | ty sexyman |
| 14:50.11 | VIad | Gnarfoz: you know when you have friends but they change a lot over time and soon they stop hanging out with you so much because they got their own stuff to do and such, yeah :( |
| 14:51.12 | VIad | gonna gather ourselves later, friend has birthday, will be fun :D |
| 14:51.43 | karl_w_w | can you mail boas to your own alt if it's on the other faction? |
| 14:51.52 | VIad | yes karl |
| 14:52.01 | karl_w_w | kinda wish u couldnt |
| 14:52.03 | VIad | Gnarfoz: you know I consider you a nice guy right :P I have no bad feelings about you |
| 14:52.07 | karl_w_w | just more work to do :P |
| 14:52.42 | Gnarfoz | VIad: sadly, I consider you an annoying guy :( I don't hate you either, I should probably just ignore you so I don't feel the urge to flame you :P |
| 14:52.50 | VIad | hmm |
| 14:52.54 | Gnarfoz | (which is obviously my own fault, not yours :P) |
| 14:52.55 | nevcairiel | so i am not the only one who gets that urge? |
| 14:54.25 | VIad | problem with chat is I can't read if what nevcairiel is true or just a joke. |
| 14:54.28 | *** part/#wowuidev kurapica (~kurapica@118.133.113.160) |
| 14:54.57 | VIad | and if that is the case then I am a bit disappointed, because even if I don't always agree with what everyone says, I still don't let that affect my oppinion of you |
| 14:55.04 | Gnarfoz | maybe it's a nerd thing, obsession with conciseness, but people who talk a lot start getting on my nerves quickly ;) |
| 14:55.23 | karl_w_w | now for the hardest part of making a toon |
| 14:55.26 | karl_w_w | the name |
| 14:55.29 | Gnarfoz | it's not about being right or wrong or saying stupid things and having discussions about it |
| 14:56.09 | Gnarfoz | (I'd even say arguing about /everything/ is nerdism 101 :D) |
| 14:56.13 | VIad | I agree, but on the subject of last discussion, it's a oppinion thing and totally up for bluspacecow what he does :P |
| 14:56.26 | Gnarfoz | it certainly is |
| 14:56.29 | Gnarfoz | unless we force him |
| 14:56.29 | bluspacecow | what class is it karl ? |
| 14:56.32 | Gnarfoz | >:} |
| 14:56.40 | VIad | can't force via text |
| 14:56.47 | VIad | and nevcairiel did you really mean it? |
| 14:57.02 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: names are hard, i have like a list of 6 names which i use, if i ever need more active toons then that i'm screwed |
| 14:57.13 | Gnarfoz | I'd not be shocked if he did |
| 14:57.16 | karl_w_w | Gnarfoz: do you get the urge to tell people to stfu and piss off when they ramble on or repeat themselves, especially on the phone? :P |
| 14:57.20 | bluspacecow | karl<classname> |
| 14:57.23 | bluspacecow | pro =b |
| 14:57.26 | karl_w_w | goblin dk, blu |
| 14:57.40 | nevcairiel | VIad: yes, i do think you're annoying |
| 14:57.47 | bluspacecow | darthyoda |
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| 14:57.56 | karl_w_w | no i use real names |
| 14:58.10 | karl_w_w | or at least single words that arent so obvious |
| 14:58.18 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: I avoid talking on the phone as much as I can, since a) I can't multi-task while doing it and b) yes, many people tend to go on a bit too much :D |
| 14:58.28 | VIad | I can't expect everyone to like me. I just expect in a small community like wowi, to be more open about things. |
| 14:58.46 | nevcairiel | my parents are really the only ones i actively talk on the phone with much |
| 14:58.50 | bluspacecow | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2012/12/always-read-the-fine-print/ |
| 14:58.57 | nevcairiel | although i skype with my friend in australia sometimes |
| 14:59.02 | Gnarfoz | there's >100 people in here, alone, that's not "small" by any measure |
| 14:59.09 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: so... XxDeathGoblinXx |
| 14:59.13 | VIad | those that actually talk are not so many tough |
| 14:59.15 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 14:59.29 | VIad | if you had a most active graph it would be a list of maybe 20-30 people :P |
| 14:59.32 | Gnarfoz | add some `ยด^ |
| 14:59.41 | Gnarfoz | ~stats |
| 14:59.41 | purl | Since Sat Dec 15 02:07:23 2012, there have been 4 modifications, 42 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 15 commands. I have been awake for 12h 52m 18s this session, and currently reference 118828 factoids. I'm using about 21448 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 115.21/3 child 0/0 |
| 14:59.48 | karl_w_w | like my rogue is called laniare |
| 14:59.50 | Gnarfoz | not... the stats I meant |
| 14:59.52 | Gnarfoz | ~ircstats |
| 14:59.52 | purl | Currently I'm hooked up to chat.freenode.net:6667 but only for 12h 52m 25s. I had to reconnect 4 times. Connectivity: 100.00 % |
| 14:59.56 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:59.57 | VIad | :P |
| 14:59.57 | Gnarfoz | not it, either! |
| 15:00.01 | Gnarfoz | ~logs |
| 15:00.02 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 15:00.02 | karl_w_w | and my last dk that i never levelled was called polytrauma |
| 15:00.07 | bluspacecow | that page that has the most talkative bastages on it |
| 15:00.29 | VIad | but the stats page you are looking for ( http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz ) is per day |
| 15:00.37 | Gnarfoz | I guess you could download them and run them through the stats script |
| 15:00.48 | Gnarfoz | "the" script being pirc or whatever it was called |
| 15:01.02 | Gnarfoz | oh, pisg. and that's already there. |
| 15:01.11 | karl_w_w | i like my random quote |
| 15:01.17 | nevcairiel | interesting, VIad didnt even make the list, and i get the impressions he always rambles about something |
| 15:01.32 | Gnarfoz | perhaps he wasn't home yesterday |
| 15:01.36 | VIad | I will be on tomorrows list, for me it updates around 2 in the night |
| 15:01.38 | nevcairiel | perhaps |
| 15:01.40 | Gnarfoz | (unlikely since he doesn't have friends! :D) |
| 15:01.47 | VIad | I worked yesterday |
| 15:01.47 | Gnarfoz | (now I'm just being mean :P) |
| 15:01.52 | nevcairiel | apparently Gnarfoz is stupid |
| 15:02.01 | Gnarfoz | ~gnarfoz |
| 15:02.01 | purl | methinks gnarfoz is hax, or the gremmarz polise |
| 15:02.03 | nevcairiel | or so the stats claim |
| 15:02.08 | Gnarfoz | purl disagrees |
| 15:02.12 | nevcairiel | you also yell alot |
| 15:02.14 | VIad | to be honest I don't really care what happens here, thing is what maters is the people you know, not those you randomly chat about world of warcraft ;) |
| 15:02.36 | VIad | if you had known me IRL I am sure you would appreciate me more, I just sound annoying on chat |
| 15:02.38 | nevcairiel | didnt claim we were your only friends just a few minutes ago? |
| 15:03.12 | Gnarfoz | nah |
| 15:03.17 | Gnarfoz | I did |
| 15:04.15 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 15:04.23 | Gnarfoz | time to... I wanted to say shopping, but I realized I haven't even showered, yet :( SMS telling me database backup failed woke me up I've been babysitting it ever since |
| 15:04.33 | Gnarfoz | guess it's time to shower :P |
| 15:04.36 | VIad | for the record, I find some of you hard to talk to, but I never go as far as saying annoying, I understand that we are different people and the little we see of each other here is not what we are IRL ;) |
| 15:04.56 | nevcairiel | as long as only the backup fails and not the database |
| 15:05.06 | nevcairiel | speaking of shopping, i think nature wants to kill me |
| 15:05.17 | karl_w_w | she can get in line |
| 15:05.18 | haste | how are those two related? |
| 15:05.20 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 15:05.26 | nevcairiel | raining ontop of frozen streets? no fun! |
| 15:05.34 | VIad | anyway, was just trying to bond with you but you don't have to :P |
| 15:05.40 | nevcairiel | haste: because it was the reason i had to go out today! |
| 15:05.41 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: true... it failed because the backup catalog database failed. :D had to fix that one first ;) |
| 15:06.50 | nevcairiel | anyway, the outside is like a death trap right now, everything is so extremely slippery... |
| 15:06.56 | nevcairiel | hopes it melts all away |
| 15:07.32 | Gnarfoz | melts nevcairiel away |
| 15:07.33 | karl_w_w | i wonder what the numbers are for people dying inside a building vs outside |
| 15:08.00 | haste | hmm, I've done no tweaking and yet my system boots in under 3s |
| 15:08.03 | haste | [ 2.840615] systemd[1]: Startup finished in 1s 544ms 506us (kernel) + 1s 121ms 472us (userspace) = 2s 665ms 978us. |
| 15:08.04 | nevcairiel | depends how many school massacres you had that year |
| 15:08.07 | nevcairiel | (too soon?) |
| 15:08.15 | karl_w_w | never too soon |
| 15:08.51 | Gnarfoz | haste: nice |
| 15:09.35 | haste | EFI so nice :3 |
| 15:09.41 | nevcairiel | i'm kinda amazed how fast win8 boots, too bad the bios part still takes much longer then that :p |
| 15:10.02 | haste | I set post to 1 second :P |
| 15:10.03 | nevcairiel | i need a new board with intels fast boot feature, forgot how it was called, rapid start technology? or something |
| 15:10.25 | nevcairiel | my htpc has it, but i never reboot the thing |
| 15:10.26 | haste | intel rapid start y |
| 15:10.55 | haste | I have it, but haven't played with it |
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| 15:14.29 | Gnarfoz | haste: EFI really has nothing to do with the times in your log, though? Or are you just saying the part before that is also very quick :) |
| 15:15.24 | karl_w_w | still havent thought of a name :D |
| 15:15.30 | haste | Gnarfoz: correct |
| 15:16.06 | bluspacecow | heather. |
| 15:16.13 | Gnarfoz | heathen |
| 15:17.03 | karl_w_w | tbh i dont understand why people care about boot times anymore :P |
| 15:17.25 | haste | I reboot into win8 to play games once in a while :( |
| 15:17.26 | karl_w_w | how often do you even turn your computer off |
| 15:17.34 | bluspacecow | i dont often wait for boot. but when i do i dick around on my ipod while i wait |
| 15:18.54 | karl_w_w | oh jesus god |
| 15:19.06 | karl_w_w | the second worst part of making a new toon, the ui setup |
| 15:21.26 | g0urra | why not just import all settings? |
| 15:24.37 | karl_w_w | i do |
| 15:24.43 | karl_w_w | it just takes ages |
| 15:25.01 | foxlit | Is there anything sane that'd parse Lua code to an AST, preferably in Lua? |
| 15:25.12 | karl_w_w | except for bloody tidyplates which doesnt use profiles |
| 15:26.16 | karl_w_w | im not sure how many times now I've typed /lh sound /lh bgalpha 0.5 |
| 15:26.19 | karl_w_w | but it's a lot |
| 15:27.09 | foxlit | I'm bothered by the fact that CVars don't profile nicely |
| 15:27.23 | nevcairiel | you mean, at all? |
| 15:27.36 | foxlit | well, they're per-character, so that counts for something |
| 15:27.56 | foxlit | But it bothers me to have to enable autoloot, configure party frames, etc. |
| 15:28.01 | nevcairiel | some are, not all are |
| 15:28.31 | nevcairiel | plenty stuff in Config.wtf |
| 15:29.06 | foxlit | Anything that wouldn't make sense as a global setting? |
| 15:29.08 | nevcairiel | more stuff on the account-wide config-cache.wtf |
| 15:29.18 | nevcairiel | and then some in the character version |
| 15:31.04 | bluspacecow | IIRC the autoloot stuff's in config-cache.wtf . you could just copy that to a new toon |
| 15:31.39 | foxlit | or I could "just" use interface options to set it |
| 15:32.26 | nevcairiel | if you remember all of your settings and dont change one every other day when you figure out its wrong |
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| 17:15.01 | Arrowmaster | kd3: finally got it hung up http://imgur.com/C12Kr |
| 17:15.27 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster has it well hung |
| 17:16.19 | Arrowmaster | was a complete bitch to hang since i cant move the table infront of where it went |
| 17:19.04 | VIad | I never finished psychonauts, but I liked it a lot, long game tough! |
| 17:19.07 | VIad | even hard :P |
| 17:29.33 | foxlit | :gmatch doesn't have an init arg. That seems more annoying than a limitation |
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| 18:54.22 | foxlit | I like how the horde flak cannons do no damage at all. |
| 19:04.48 | karl_w_w | do the alliance ones? |
| 19:10.18 | jnwhiteh | is there any reason why I would not purchase a KitchainAid mixer? |
| 19:13.01 | foxlit | karl_w_w: no idea; can't test. |
| 19:14.44 | Iriel | jnwhiteh: do you mean literally that, or did you misspell KitchenAid? |
| 19:14.51 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 19:14.55 | jnwhiteh | i misspelled |
| 19:14.56 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 19:26.27 | karl_w_w | wikipedia says they trolled obama |
| 19:26.39 | karl_w_w | but i dont see any other reason not to :P |
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| 20:37.41 | jnwhiteh | cogwheel: kaelten: did you realize our book was translated into .. it looks like Chinese? |
| 20:38.41 | jnwhiteh | err Japanese |
| 20:39.31 | jnwhiteh | err.. something |
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| 20:40.22 | nevcairiel | some asian language |
| 20:41.02 | Shirik | show me :P |
| 20:41.09 | Shirik | I can tell you what it is |
| 20:41.51 | jnwhiteh | i dont have it |
| 20:42.02 | jnwhiteh | my brother was like 'how many copies of this shit do you have there' |
| 20:42.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:42.12 | jnwhiteh | and he showed me one |
| 20:42.20 | jnwhiteh | i was like 'what the hell, they translated it?' |
| 20:45.20 | jnwhiteh | Chinese my brother says |
| 20:45.22 | jnwhiteh | who knew? |
| 20:45.24 | jnwhiteh | <-- not this guy |
| 20:48.57 | Shirik | I wonder how you make new words in Chinese |
| 20:49.10 | Shirik | like Japanese has an alphabet they would use for something like "Warcraft" |
| 20:49.14 | Shirik | but how do you write that in Chinese |
| 20:49.54 | Shirik | the way it looks from google's HK site, you just write the word :P |
| 20:54.59 | Fisker | hugs jnwhiteh |
| 20:55.20 | Fisker | did you sign away your rights jnwhiteh ? |
| 21:01.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik: They might not. I know that in the scientific community the majority of new terminology is in english and is never translated, it's used as a universal word. |
| 21:01.08 | bleeter | curses his keybindings again |
| 21:01.10 | bleeter | arhaghaghag |
| 21:01.46 | bleeter | srsly how hard can it be for two accounts under one battle.net to have the same keybindings |
| 21:03.26 | bleeter | honestly. two accounts, one battle.net, no addons, no keybinding.wtf (or whatever) it's called locally. did a syncsettings 0 as well. |
| 21:03.45 | bleeter | One account (for example) insists G is the default bind for Guild, the other insists J is the default bind. |
| 21:03.49 | bleeter | going out of my mind here |
| 21:04.28 | bleeter | does not understand how two different accounts for the same region have different ideas of 'default' |
| 21:05.07 | bleeter | fears he may actually have to ring tech support |
| 21:05.08 | bleeter | bwhaha |
| 21:05.32 | bleeter | signs away Fisker's rights |
| 21:05.39 | Fisker | cries |
| 21:06.35 | bleeter | actually, I'm rather surprised that jnwhiteh didn't investigate the Chinese angle. Thought that would've been a nice market. |
| 21:07.03 | bleeter | stabs his Key Bindings UI |
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| 21:27.43 | Thunder_Child | bleeter: "Coding for gold farmers"? |
| 21:32.43 | kd3 | gah. I need /one/ more mount to hit 150 |
| 21:32.44 | kd3 | grr |
| 21:38.35 | kd3 | also, yay. time to make a killing on the ah selling milk and eggs |
| 21:39.00 | nevcairiel | you would exploit the poor clueless people? |
| 21:39.07 | kd3 | you wouldn't? |
| 21:39.31 | nevcairiel | i'm way too lazy |
| 21:39.51 | nevcairiel | you may make like 1000% on every milk you sell, but in the end its still only a couple hundred gold |
| 21:39.58 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 21:48.29 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: no, I got paid for the translation |
| 21:48.40 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: wasn't mine to look into, that's the publisher. |
| 22:02.00 | Fisker | so you know you get paid, you just don't know for what |
| 22:02.00 | Fisker | :o |
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| 22:04.41 | Fisker | that time has come and gone kd3 |
| 22:04.48 | Fisker | i sold like 40 of them for 10G each |
| 22:04.53 | Fisker | then i put up another 20 |
| 22:05.09 | Fisker | and after half an hour i came back to see there were like 20 pages if ice cold milk on the AH D: |
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| 22:18.06 | Jamash | sup fiskerererer |
| 22:20.38 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: oh I get it should the publisher, just sorta almost read like you were surprised because it weren't in the original agreement |
| 22:20.42 | bleeter | apols |
| 22:28.30 | Mr_Rabies | hey fisker |
| 22:28.42 | Alram | fisk fisk |
| 22:31.29 | kd3 | fuck everything. "Gunman enters Alabama hospital, opens fire. Injures three before being killed by police. Begun, the copycat shootings have [NewsFlash]" |
| 22:31.42 | Cairenn | ... |
| 22:31.45 | kd3 | http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Update-Suspect-killed-in-shooting-at-St-Vincents/8pYa9a7o-EKtx0drjCn6Tg.cspx |
| 22:32.00 | zenzelezz | and the media rejoices for more spectacular events to cover |
| 22:34.57 | Cairenn | http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/moments-that-restored-our-faith-in-humanity-this-y |
| 22:36.55 | foxlit | there's an article somewhere that describes why "(number) (random things) that (something)" blog "articles" are prevalent. It's depressing. |
| 22:40.24 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: :) |
| 22:42.30 | Mr_Rabies | that was like 90% of digg when i stopped going there |
| 22:42.54 | Fisker | why Jamash Mr_Rabies Alram and maybe evn kd3 ? |
| 22:43.03 | Mr_Rabies | everything was TOP X THINGS THAT ARE MILDLY INTERESTING |
| 22:43.05 | Alram | fiskfiskfisk |
| 22:43.14 | Mr_Rabies | (with one item per page, and full screen ads, of course) |
| 22:44.36 | Cairenn | Yes, but for the moment, just take it for what it is - something to help us remember that life isn't only about the bad things |
| 22:47.17 | foxlit | I feel like classes that have pets have it too easy when it comes to the new Karasang rare mobs |
| 22:51.49 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah please don't take what i said as any kind of attack on you Cairenn, i wasn't speaking in response to that :p |
| 22:52.23 | Cairenn | Didn't take it as any sort of an attack on me, no worries. |
| 22:53.05 | Cairenn | There's just so much ugly that it's good to be reminded of the beauty some days |
| 23:05.43 | Jamash | POLL: what color should I hilight your nick in IRSSI? |
| 23:11.14 | durcyn | what's wrong with the default yellow? |
| 23:11.28 | Jamash | default is gray |
| 23:24.22 | bleeter | depends whether you're running one of those fancy 256 colour terminal systems or not |
| 23:27.42 | bleeter | not beauty, but maybe beautiful. one of australia's top politicians pwns murdoch https://twitter.com/RickSamimi/status/279952179438182400/photo/1 |
| 23:48.03 | Corrodias | i'm not sure which one is being more sarcastic |
| 23:49.23 | Corrodias | automatic firearms -are- prohibited in the entire US, so was that some kind of snarky snipe at gun control, or is Murdoch talking about some other recent event than i'm thinking of? |
| 23:49.43 | durcyn | Shadowed: you know your tactician frame only shows on the first fight of a session, yes? |
| 23:50.08 | Corrodias | suppose i'll never find out |
| 23:50.26 | Shadowed | no, I intentionally only show it for the first fight |
| 23:50.27 | Shadowed | and then none other |
| 23:52.35 | durcyn | smartass |
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| 23:53.10 | Shadowed | pretty mch |
| 23:56.38 | foxlit | I wonder if there's a programmatic way to do "\" .. "t" == "\t" that doesn't involve loadstring or a lookup table |
