| 00:00.20 | xyphoid_ | bleeter: *snicker* |
| 00:00.57 | Torhal | VIad: I didn't realize, since the past segment in the default is "database" :P |
| 00:01.00 | Amarande | yay, 72/506 pets collected, only 434 pets to go! |
| 00:01.10 | VIad | :D |
| 00:01.10 | Stanzilla | Torhal: that's his char name >.< |
| 00:01.15 | Torhal | [06:21:05] znf: This shit is pissing the fuck out of me. |
| 00:01.30 | Torhal | I lol'd |
| 00:01.30 | znf | ? |
| 00:01.57 | Torhal | 188/548 collected. |
| 00:02.05 | Stanzilla | VIad: how do I input server names with spaces? |
| 00:02.12 | VIad | - |
| 00:02.18 | VIad | or space, it will make spaces into - :P |
| 00:02.28 | VIad | it uses same format as the api url |
| 00:02.35 | Amarande | Torhal: how do you have 548 possible pets to collect and I only have 506? :) |
| 00:02.37 | Torhal | VIad: Why was mine out of 548 and Amarande's was 506? |
| 00:02.39 | Stanzilla | Couldn't load character. |
| 00:02.40 | Torhal | lol |
| 00:02.41 | VIad | not sure |
| 00:02.48 | Stanzilla | my umlauts > you |
| 00:02.50 | VIad | it just read what armory said |
| 00:03.05 | VIad | it's a client side thing |
| 00:03.15 | VIad | your own machine queries blizzard api, and I buypass the limit, hurray :D |
| 00:03.31 | Stanzilla | VIad: eu.zirkel-des-cenarius.arcádia fix it |
| 00:03.39 | Amarande | Torhal, are you on EU or US? |
| 00:03.44 | Torhal | US |
| 00:03.51 | Amarande | hm, so it's not a territory thing, then |
| 00:04.05 | Amarande | it occurred to me that maybe there are pets that are possible to obtain only in certain territories, but that shouldn't explain that then |
| 00:06.24 | Ackis | my fat asshole cat just messed up my brawlers guild attempt by sitting on my keyboard and getting the shift key stuck somehow so I couldn't use my normal keybinds! *growls* |
| 00:06.28 | Ackis | Torhal: want a cat? |
| 00:06.46 | Stanzilla | Ackis: lvl? |
| 00:06.57 | Torhal | Ackis: Not sure you can ship those across the border. |
| 00:07.08 | Ackis | Torhal: if I send him in small enough pieces I can |
| 00:07.25 | Ackis | Stanzilla: 4 or 5, I'm on the big marsh looking dude that does the same abilities as the fish people rares |
| 00:07.48 | Amarande | Torhal: Ask Garfield, he was always trying to send a certain kitten to the UAE |
| 00:07.56 | Stanzilla | Ackis: ah ok, i'm on that guy where you have to use the flashlight on lvl 7 |
| 00:08.26 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I'm a disc/holy priest with terrible dps gear... I was stuck on the engineer that turned you into a chicken because I couldn't beat the enrage timer |
| 00:08.45 | Stanzilla | Ackis: yeah you have to play shadow for the rest of it |
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| 00:09.11 | Ackis | right now I have 23% hit |
| 00:09.20 | Stanzilla | go reforge |
| 00:09.44 | Amarande | What do you get from the Brawler's Guild that's worth 999999g, btw? |
| 00:09.53 | Stanzilla | nothing |
| 00:10.09 | Amarande | At least, I'm presuming that's what the BMAH entries to it will probably mostly cost :p |
| 00:10.37 | nebula169_ | you know, or 20k |
| 00:10.55 | VIad | blizzards api server is offline atm |
| 00:11.00 | VIad | explains why it didn't work Stanzilla |
| 00:11.27 | bleeter | xyphoid_: yay |
| 00:11.57 | bleeter | maybe I should report it on the grammar thread or something |
| 00:12.29 | bleeter | every ... time ... |
| 00:12.32 | bleeter | wanker |
| 00:13.04 | VIad | btw the api server replies with json even when you request jsonp specifically :P |
| 00:13.28 | VIad | it's a format so you can transfer cross domain data over ajax, but when the response is plain json it won't work so it times out :P |
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| 00:20.02 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I can't kill that duder it seems... proboskus |
| 00:25.08 | TC-work | ~ping |
| 00:25.09 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:34.24 | Adys | also Fisker: http://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/14q1lq/collection_of_my_favorite_latvian_jokes/ |
| 00:47.44 | VIad | Stanzilla: eu.zirkel-des-cenarius.arcádia :) |
| 00:47.51 | VIad | 287/573 neato |
| 00:48.17 | VIad | Snowy Owl is limited in the winter, so get yours in Winterspring before you regret it in the summer :P |
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| 00:58.24 | Amarande | VIad, here's a fun thing in that regard |
| 00:58.35 | Amarande | apparently, no one has every capturable pet right now, and no one will until at least springtime :) |
| 00:58.42 | VIad | I know :P |
| 00:58.46 | VIad | I am one of those |
| 00:58.58 | VIad | need the qiraji pet and a whelp in icecrown |
| 00:59.04 | VIad | damn rare spawns -_- |
| 01:03.59 | Amarande | The Qiraji one you can't get till springtime, that's how I know nobody has a complete set |
| 01:04.12 | Amarande | it's a summer-only pet and by the time MoP hit the "winter" transition had already happened |
| 01:04.36 | Amarande | hmm. wonder if there's going to be maintenance on Christmas |
| 01:05.47 | Amarande | btw, who was it who said I was insane for attempting Loremaster on an Engineer? |
| 01:06.11 | Amarande | It actually has occurred to me that not only is attempting loremaster on an engineer not insane, it's almost compulsory, at least for Northrend |
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| 01:26.13 | VIad | hmm |
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| 01:30.51 | Arazon | Why northrend? |
| 01:31.51 | Amarande | Arazon: because if you don't want to be spending the rest of your life grinding the rep out in dungeons (can it be ground that way actually? or do you have to do dailies?), you'll need pretty much every quest you can get there |
| 01:31.54 | Amarande | so you can get the rep you need for the bike |
| 01:32.04 | Amarande | which requires Exalted with your faction's Northrend meta rep |
| 01:32.25 | Arazon | Or a lot of JP? |
| 01:33.34 | Amarande | that's a waste of a lot of JP, heh |
| 01:34.23 | Amarande | glah |
| 01:34.27 | Amarande | wtf is wrong with questguru |
| 01:34.38 | Amarande | it really doesn't like grizzly hills for some reason |
| 01:36.25 | Amarande | and it might not be just QG, either. :| apparently there may be a bug with the quest log in GH in general |
| 01:38.03 | Amarande | which is not encouraging, because it's apparently been almost a couple months since the first complaints were made on the customer support board, and there's been a major patch since *sigh* |
| 01:38.24 | Amarande | I've known Blizzard long enough to know that when a bug has been left to go for this long, it tends to be let to go for nigh-on-forever :( |
| 01:38.56 | VIad | what drugs do you use, Amarande? |
| 01:39.05 | VIad | you talk like me! maybe we use the same |
| 01:39.10 | Amarande | LOL |
| 01:39.39 | VIad | 2:40 in the middle of the night so that's why I am so dead, gonna go to bed :( |
| 01:40.09 | TC-work | ...This can not end well |
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| 01:43.07 | Amarande | TC: ? |
| 01:43.35 | TC-work | Yes? |
| 01:44.11 | Amarande | what can't end well? :) |
| 01:44.30 | TC-work | Life |
| 01:44.35 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:44.37 | Torhal | Chatty people talking about drugs to make them less chatty. |
| 01:45.06 | Amarande | but yeah, apparently there's a bug very specifically with Grizzly Hills in the quest log, and nobody is really sure why |
| 01:45.24 | Amarande | it seems to happen only there and regardless of what quest addons people are using (although QG is most common, but that might just be because QG is popular) |
| 01:45.38 | Torhal | I blame rhododendrons. |
| 01:45.46 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:45.59 | Semlar | i blame obama |
| 01:46.12 | Amarande | basically, every time you get any kind of quest log update, the game auto-collapses the Grizzly Hills quest log |
| 01:46.39 | Amarande | which causes addons like QG that use the collapsed/expanded state in the main quest log as a "hide/show quests in the tracker" toggle to constantly re-hide the quests |
| 01:46.51 | Amarande | and by any kind of quest log update, I mean literally, that, ANY kind of quest log update |
| 01:46.57 | Sintacks | ... i'm having fucking 3 minute fucking load time and i don't know what addon is causing it. |
| 01:47.15 | Amarande | Not just, say, finishing an objective or quest ... pick up a quest item? even something you just picked up one of out of 8 or more? That too. |
| 01:48.01 | Semlar | what i want to know is why is any addon using the collapsed state of a header in the quest log to determine whether or not to track it |
| 01:48.05 | Amarande | Indeed, if you leave Grizzly Hills and progress a quest elsewhere, that too will cause the GH list to collapse |
| 01:48.23 | Amarande | (like I said, *only* GH quests seem to be affected, which is very odd) |
| 01:48.52 | Amarande | Sintacks: time for a binary search |
| 01:48.59 | Semlar | so go look at the framexml for the quest log and see how it determines whether or not to expand a zone |
| 01:49.19 | Amarande | Semlar: apparently it's been doing it regardless of what quest addons (or not) people are using, and only for Grizzly Hills |
| 01:49.41 | Semlar | right, something about grizzly hills probably doesn't match whatever they have for it in the quest log |
| 01:49.53 | Semlar | a wrong id or something |
| 01:50.07 | Amarande | Semlar: but the stranger thing is that progressing any quest will trigger the GH collapse |
| 01:50.11 | Amarande | even if the quest you progress isn't in GH |
| 01:50.22 | Semlar | that's not all that strange |
| 01:50.34 | Semlar | any update causing the list to refresh is probably going to do it |
| 01:51.00 | Gnarfoz | you know what's strange? only seeing your side of this (quite likely waste of time of a) conversation, Semlar :D |
| 01:51.18 | Semlar | how do you know i'm not just talking to myself |
| 01:51.30 | Gnarfoz | because I'm aware who recently returned |
| 01:51.32 | Amarande | heh, and this is why I barely ever use my ignore feature, because it leads to strange situations like Gnarfoz's :p |
| 01:51.54 | Semlar | he said something about your mother |
| 01:53.05 | Gnarfoz | he says things about stuff nobody cares about for hours on end with nobody else but himself around; it's like the monkeys + typewriters thing. at some point, it's bound to be about my mother. |
| 01:53.35 | Amarande | Semlar: QG removes quests from the active tracker if you collapse the zone in the quest log, and puts them back when you expand it again |
| 01:53.56 | Amarande | I'm guessing it's a convenience feature to let you hide stuff if you've got a lot of quests in widely separated areas |
| 01:54.11 | Amarande | (which was pretty common before cata, especially) |
| 01:54.13 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla, you da man |
| 01:54.59 | Amarande | that way, you don't have to manually re-track everything when you care about the zone again |
| 01:56.44 | Semlar | do you have grizzly hills quests to test this right now |
| 01:58.13 | Semlar | you could try seeing if GetQuestLogTitle(questIndex) just always returns true for "isCollapsed" on whatever index number the grizzly hills header is |
| 01:58.23 | Amarande | yup. actually, I discovered this *because* I started trying to quest GH |
| 01:58.45 | Amarande | as I decided to quest out Northrend for the rep so I can get as close to the bike recipe as I can before the big grind |
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| 01:59.12 | Semlar | select(6,GetQuestLogTitle(questIndex)) |
| 02:01.28 | Semlar | how would you even propose to fix this |
| 02:01.49 | Amarande | Semlar: well, first we need to figure out exactly what's buggered up |
| 02:01.50 | Semlar | hook the update and expand the header under some condition |
| 02:02.13 | Amarande | so I'm typing "/script print(select(6,GetQuestLogTitle(n)))" here for various n? |
| 02:02.31 | Semlar | figure out which index the grizzly hills header is |
| 02:02.37 | Amarande | (if I use literally "questIndex" mind you, I just get a bugsack report saying I need an actual index) |
| 02:02.39 | Semlar | which is just count every quest and header until you get to it |
| 02:03.07 | Semlar | or you could write a loop which might be simpler |
| 02:03.08 | Amarande | it's not something simple like "1" or "2" if it's the second zone in your quest log list, is it? |
| 02:03.39 | Semlar | the headers and quests are all counted as part of the same list |
| 02:03.56 | Amarande | I do know that entering actual numbers for n, I end up with always a set of exactly six values returned |
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| 02:04.19 | Amarande | the third, fifth, and sixth seem to be always nil, nil, and false respectively |
| 02:04.41 | Amarande | what does each value stand for, btw? |
| 02:05.23 | Semlar | the first value is isCollapsed |
| 02:07.07 | Semlar | for i=1,GetNumQuestLogEntries() do local title,_,_,_,h,c=GetQuestLogTitle(i) if h then print(i,title,c) end end |
| 02:08.00 | Semlar | run that, it's either 1 for collapsed or nil for not |
| 02:08.09 | Amarande | yup. at the moment, it shows them all as nil |
| 02:08.22 | Amarande | now, let's refresh the list (reloads UI ...) |
| 02:08.50 | Semlar | well if it's nil for grizzly hills then it means it's not always returning isCollapsed so there goes that theory |
| 02:08.51 | Amarande | Grizzly Hills duly comes up collapsed again. It returns 1 |
| 02:09.12 | Amarande | Expand Grizzly Hills, rerun the script, it duly comes up nil |
| 02:09.20 | Semlar | that's how it should be |
| 02:09.31 | Amarande | yeah, what's instead happening is something is actively causing Grizzly Hills to collapse whenever an update is done to the quest log or the UI is refreshed |
| 02:09.53 | Semlar | you've disabled all of your addons and it still does this |
| 02:09.57 | Amarande | however, nobody seems to have an exact idea as to what and why, and it at least doesn't seem to be affected by addons (people have tried disabling QG) |
| 02:10.06 | Amarande | let's see |
| 02:10.48 | Amarande | disable all, relog |
| 02:11.03 | Amarande | GH is, indeed, collapsed again |
| 02:11.35 | Amarande | running the script before and after re-expanding it, behaviour is as expected |
| 02:12.16 | Amarande | Kill a stag, pick up a succulent venison to get a quest update |
| 02:13.20 | Semlar | you could try /script hooksecurefunc('CollapseQuestHeader',function(id) print('CollapseQuestHeader',GetQuestLogTitle(id)) end) |
| 02:13.34 | Semlar | it'll print whenever a header is collapsed but i don't know how much help that'll be |
| 02:13.57 | Amarande | yeah, not sure if that will track down what is doing it |
| 02:14.11 | Amarande | I did just confirm that even with all addons disabled, GH collapses every time there's a quest log update |
| 02:14.21 | Amarande | (and *only* GH) |
| 02:16.03 | Amarande | hm. is there a hook to determine what process/script/addon/etc. is doing it? |
| 02:17.39 | Semlar | well it's something in QuestLog_Update in https://github.com/Ketho/wow-ui-source/blob/ptr/FrameXML/QuestLogFrame.lua |
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| 02:17.51 | Semlar | i don't really want to try and figure out what |
| 02:17.57 | Amarande | huh. forum posts suggest it's related to the account-based pet battle quests |
| 02:18.08 | Amarande | but why, I wonder |
| 02:18.34 | Semlar | link |
| 02:19.08 | Amarande | huh. seems to be true, too |
| 02:19.22 | Amarande | abandoned the pet battle quest, killed another stag, picked up another venison, IT DIDN'T COLLAPSE |
| 02:19.39 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6758456999 |
| 02:19.49 | Amarande | seems like it's been happening to a lot of people soon after MoP came out |
| 02:20.28 | Semlar | what was the quest called |
| 02:20.35 | Amarande | Steven Lisbane |
| 02:27.06 | Semlar | what's special about those quests |
| 02:27.11 | Semlar | they're account wide? |
| 02:43.10 | A-KO | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vKz7WnU83E < OMG 47 SECONDS IN |
| 02:54.21 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: haha |
| 02:54.52 | Arrowmaster | and the computer voice |
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| 02:58.17 | A-KO | GLADOS FTW |
| 02:58.25 | A-KO | that makes me happy |
| 02:59.35 | Arrowmaster | i thought you ment the straight up rip off of the first sc2 teaser at 47 seconds in but then i heard the glados voice |
| 02:59.39 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:59.56 | A-KO | this movie is a must see now |
| 03:00.24 | Arrowmaster | the robot does a jet powered punch to a monster |
| 03:00.29 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah its a must see |
| 03:01.36 | A-KO | lol |
| 03:03.17 | A-KO | man |
| 03:03.20 | A-KO | that's awesome |
| 03:03.33 | A-KO | I wonder how many nerd references are in this movie from that |
| 03:09.53 | karl_w_w | anybody want dota 2? |
| 03:10.15 | karl_w_w | they gave me 2 more keys to give away and i still had 1 i couldnt unload! |
| 03:16.09 | bleeter | LFT UI needs a 'complete nub' checkbox |
| 03:16.12 | bleeter | *lfr |
| 03:17.31 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah, the battle pets quests are account wide |
| 03:17.45 | Semlar | does it happen with other account wide quests |
| 03:18.56 | xyphoid_ | bleeter: haha i finally did lfr last night and fell to my death under elegon because i was reading at the wiki page about the fight on the other monitor |
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| 03:21.09 | Amarande | not sure, since I don't know of any other account wide quests and I never got around to going to Stranglethorn to mess with monkeys |
| 03:21.52 | Amarande | bleeter: I've sometimes thought there should be four roles, abbreviated as follows: T, H, D, and U |
| 03:24.54 | karl_w_w | yeah I don't think there are any other account wide quests |
| 03:26.41 | Amarande | "U" for "Useless" :) |
| 03:31.31 | Semlar | i'm going to assume there's something about account wide quests that's confusing it |
| 03:57.15 | pompy1 | ^ |
| 04:02.00 | karl_w_w | what's the word to describe the level of respectability a person has |
| 04:02.07 | karl_w_w | credibility |
| 04:02.08 | karl_w_w | nvm |
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| 04:31.17 | bluspacecow | …..hmmm |
| 04:31.30 | bluspacecow | that odd feeling when writing a bash script to add/remove entries to .hosts |
| 04:31.41 | bluspacecow | and you find IP addreses in there you have no idea why you mapped to null |
| 04:34.01 | bluspacecow | now not sure wheter to remove …. or leave in .... |
| 04:35.07 | TC-work | nslookup it? |
| 04:35.27 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 04:35.36 | bluspacecow | tried digging it and reverse dns'ing it |
| 04:35.50 | bluspacecow | 198.78.193.126 , 206.33.42.126 |
| 04:35.55 | bluspacecow | ad server stuff maybe ? |
| 04:35.58 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 04:37.10 | TC-work | sounds about right |
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| 04:40.40 | KarlKFI | http://www.thesecretworld.com/news/subscription_no_longer_required |
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| 04:45.20 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7393179761?page=1#3 |
| 04:45.31 | bluspacecow | wasn't aware you can "route traffic from the old dns to the new one" |
| 04:45.44 | bluspacecow | must be the new pseudo science thing I keep hearing on the TV |
| 04:52.45 | kd3 | wait... what? "Sorry could you repeat that? I thought you said "Pepsi-Chicken Flavored Lay's Chips" were a real th-- oh, they are [Amusing]" |
| 04:52.57 | kd3 | eew; http://foodbeast.com/content/2012/12/12/pepsi-chicken-flavored-lays-potato-chips-hit-china/ |
| 04:53.09 | Seerah | o.O |
| 04:54.20 | pompy1 | the UK has hot dog stuff crust pizza from Pizza Hut |
| 04:55.13 | pompy1 | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57412379-10391704/pizza-hut-unveils-hot-dog-stuffed-crust-pizza-burger-king-offers-bacon-sundae/ |
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| 05:00.44 | Neffi | that's really gros |
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| 05:22.06 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7393489484?page=4#65 |
| 05:22.10 | bluspacecow | you can force a DNS update ? |
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| 05:23.21 | Neffi | Lua is so much more enjoyable to code than Win C++ |
| 05:23.51 | Neffi | So much so that I'm doing all my CS work in Lua and then porting it to C++ |
| 05:24.17 | Neffi | Not gonna work out when I move into OOP shit next week |
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| 05:28.22 | Xuerian | Neffi: Why wouldn't it? |
| 05:28.40 | Neffi | Because the point is to learn C++ classes |
| 05:28.56 | Xuerian | You didn't say you were using lua to learn C++ :p |
| 05:28.57 | Neffi | Implementing something in Lua that would allow me to replicate the assignment would be redundant |
| 05:29.12 | Neffi | Well I'm really using Lua to implement basic things I already know like selection sort |
| 05:29.34 | Neffi | just much easier to write code in Lua, check it for bugs, then port it to equiv C++ because the assignments are so easy |
| 05:29.38 | Arazon | You can use OOP designs in Lua. |
| 05:30.15 | Arazon | Modularize the frames, create objects to hold attributes. |
| 05:30.18 | Neffi | That is true. I know OOP. Difference is, I don't know C++'s OOP. So Lua doesn't make it any easier to learn. |
| 05:30.26 | Arazon | Well |
| 05:30.38 | Arazon | You're right in that regard, C++ is really different |
| 05:30.41 | Neffi | Writing in Lua is just easier when I'm doing very basic shit that translates 1-1 to almost any language anyway |
| 05:30.56 | Arazon | How many classes have you taken with C++? |
| 05:31.00 | Neffi | This is the 2nd |
| 05:31.04 | Arazon | Data structures? |
| 05:31.10 | Neffi | A bit more basic |
| 05:31.14 | Arazon | Linked lists, Binary trees, etc? |
| 05:31.19 | Neffi | Information/data theory is next course |
| 05:31.24 | Arazon | Covered pointers yet? |
| 05:31.28 | Thunder_Child | bluspacecow: yes, but it is far easier to just point your DNS somewhere else. I suspect most people around here use 8.8.8.8 |
| 05:31.46 | Neffi | we just touched on selection sort and linked lists. that's the most advanced data. we didn't do anything fancy pointer-wise, just the basic how-tos. |
| 05:31.54 | Arazon | ok that's fine |
| 05:32.07 | Arazon | Have you implemented classes yet? |
| 05:32.19 | Neffi | The final is the only thing that requires classes, so not yet |
| 05:32.22 | Neffi | next week we do that |
| 05:32.28 | Arazon | ok |
| 05:32.37 | bluspacecow | personally I point mine to my modem router then ISP then google |
| 05:32.44 | bluspacecow | google wasn't resolving fast enough for me |
| 05:32.45 | Arazon | Classes are going to make your whole OOP concept seem a lot brighter |
| 05:32.58 | Neffi | I know the basics, but I don't have much experience with C++. I've stuck to Lua and C since I started programming. |
| 05:33.22 | Neffi | TBH I don't like highly structured OOP |
| 05:33.38 | Arazon | Once you get into classes and actually start dealing with pointers and classes, your whole paradigm is going to shift and you will see things from a whole new perspective |
| 05:33.53 | Neffi | I borrow basic OOP concepts for situations where it makes sense, but constructing an entire project around classes and interfaces and all that is tedious as fuck to me |
| 05:34.07 | Arazon | Well it's all about modularizing your code |
| 05:34.34 | Arazon | Making it clean and neat and re-usable, which in turn makes it easy to upgrade, easy to debug, easy to replace certain parts |
| 05:34.46 | Neffi | The basic concepts of modularization translate without OOP as well. I just find a lot of OOP languages FAR too verbose and tedious to code in. |
| 05:34.59 | Arazon | Yeah you're right |
| 05:35.18 | Neffi | I like getting knees deep in logic, not formality and documentation |
| 05:35.29 | Arazon | But the paradigm, how you see things, is going to change for the better, and that's the ultimate goal of learning OOP programming in C++ |
| 05:35.57 | Neffi | Well every new thing learned shifts my paradigm. If I come out loving something I currently hate, all the better. |
| 05:36.19 | Neffi | But I suspect I'll learn a couple new concepts and continue being conservative with my use of OOP |
| 05:36.22 | Arazon | I think you will see it really come together once you get to design patterns |
| 05:37.02 | Arazon | I just finished a year long C++ series, I started with the basic introduction in the spring, data structures in the summer, and design patterns in the fall (of which I just took my final) |
| 05:37.19 | Neffi | I totally see how it could work wonders for large scale projects, but I still believe using OOP conservatively or not at all leads to easier-to-manage code when it's a small one-man project |
| 05:37.25 | Neffi | like a window manager or WoW addon |
| 05:37.29 | Arazon | True |
| 05:37.32 | Arazon | I agree completely |
| 05:37.52 | Arazon | But most software companies are not developing small one man software packages lol |
| 05:37.58 | Neffi | lol true |
| 05:38.53 | Arazon | I actually started wow programming last week, and because I was proficient in design patterns, I was able to successfulyl modularize and attach together frames in an OOP strategy to create a unit frame addon for both character and target health, as my first addon |
| 05:39.04 | Neffi | My aim is OS design, and writing my own RPG games. OOP will definitely help with the latter. But it's almost nonexistent in most kernel work. |
| 05:39.26 | Arazon | Yeah I was getting that vibe from a friend of mine I took a Java class with, he mods kernels fairly frequently |
| 05:40.12 | Neffi | AFAIK Windows NT uses C++. But FreeBSD and Linux use straight C. I wanna start working on FreeBSD development soon. |
| 05:40.36 | Arazon | Have you worked with FreeBSD, as an OS? |
| 05:40.43 | Neffi | Used? Yeah |
| 05:40.49 | Arazon | Home use? |
| 05:40.52 | Neffi | yeah |
| 05:40.53 | Arazon | or professional |
| 05:40.55 | Arazon | Ok |
| 05:40.59 | Neffi | I'm no expert, but I'm proficient |
| 05:41.00 | Humbedooh | freebsd is the shizzle |
| 05:41.18 | Arazon | mmm not a starters introduction |
| 05:41.23 | Arazon | I myself prefer PC-BSD |
| 05:41.57 | Neffi | It seems like a nice OS to start developing for. They need work done, so my work can be put to real use. Meanwhile it's quite a bit smaller than Linux. |
| 05:43.01 | Arazon | I think in major projects like OS's, design patterns will come into play. Don't quote me on that, but it seems like a place where modularized, pluggable code is valuable |
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| 05:43.22 | Arazon | And well documented |
| 05:43.45 | Neffi | I imagine |
| 05:44.27 | Arazon | The whole concept behind Object Oriented programming is taking an object, an object that holds data, and contains functions that manipulate/pass that data, as well as functions to access their own data and pass it to other objects, in a way that allows no one on the outside who are using the object to know how it's doing all of that |
| 05:44.42 | Arazon | That way |
| 05:45.10 | Arazon | When you ask for an object that performs a certain object with certain data, someone can build it and give it to you and you will know that it works |
| 05:45.29 | Arazon | like if you were building a car |
| 05:45.36 | Arazon | and decided you needed an engine |
| 05:46.00 | Neffi | I understand the basics. And like I set it's probably a godsend for large projects. |
| 05:46.13 | Arazon | just go to the engine maker, and he will give you the engine and the documentation you need on how to hook it up, and you just design your car around what attaches to what on the outside of the engine |
| 05:46.24 | Neffi | I couldn't imagine car manufacturing happening without equivalent modularization. And most production programs are more complex. |
| 05:46.47 | Arazon | My car building was a horrible analogy but it's the best I could think of lol |
| 05:47.40 | Neffi | it makes sense |
| 05:48.20 | Neffi | How again do you change the default text editor in Visual Studio so it opens in (say) NP++ instead of the internal one? |
| 05:48.27 | Neffi | I've done it before and can't find it again |
| 05:48.53 | Arazon | Well if you want to change the default theme, there are themes for Visual Studio online |
| 05:49.16 | Arazon | Don't know about changing the text editor |
| 05:49.44 | Arazon | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/vstudio/hy2sthf1(v=vs.100).aspx |
| 05:52.41 | Arazon | Neffi is that it? |
| 05:52.46 | Neffi | nope |
| 05:53.05 | Neffi | don't worry about it. |
| 05:55.33 | bluspacecow | http://www.fatso.co.nz/Movies/Chance_Pop_Session/4532 |
| 05:55.40 | bluspacecow | why did i get this out ? |
| 06:00.38 | Arazon | Shy girl with large tits |
| 06:00.55 | Arazon | Any cold-blooded male would take out a movie with that picture on it |
| 06:01.18 | bluspacecow | pfft this is the internet |
| 06:01.22 | bluspacecow | anime porn is everywhere |
| 06:01.43 | Arazon | Then I have no earthly clue lol |
| 06:03.21 | bluspacecow | ~d3alert |
| 06:03.21 | purl | http://us.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-us (US) or http://eu.launcher.battle.net/service/d3/alert/en-gb (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
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| 06:18.58 | bluspacecow | when does the narwhale --------------- wrong question! |
| 06:19.05 | bluspacecow | when do the dailies reset again ? |
| 06:19.54 | Arazon | 3 |
| 06:19.56 | Arazon | server |
| 06:21.20 | bluspacecow | ty |
| 06:21.23 | Arazon | Hey bluespacecow, you remind me of the babe that was on tv today |
| 06:21.26 | bluspacecow | now to work out what sever means |
| 06:21.36 | bluspacecow | was she ditzy ? with big boobs ? |
| 06:21.47 | Arazon | no, it was the babe that was on tv |
| 06:22.16 | Neffi | a babe on TV that's not ditzy and busty? |
| 06:22.32 | Arazon | No, the babe that was on tv |
| 06:22.36 | bluspacecow | was she on a television show ? |
| 06:22.46 | bluspacecow | or was she sitting *on* the TV ? |
| 06:22.48 | Neffi | Arazon clearly had a babe sitting on his TV today |
| 06:22.55 | Arazon | no, on tv, you saw her bluespacecow |
| 06:23.02 | bluspacecow | can i order one for my tv > |
| 06:23.05 | Arazon | and no, I wish. She had a hoodoo |
| 06:23.21 | bluspacecow | O_o |
| 06:23.28 | bluspacecow | is that some kinky sex thing? |
| 06:23.34 | Arazon | no o.O |
| 06:23.43 | Arazon | She had an live hoodoo |
| 06:24.07 | Arazon | You saw the babe that was on tv with a hoodo, bluespacecow? |
| 06:24.12 | Arazon | *hoodoo |
| 06:24.21 | Arazon | You remind me of her |
| 06:24.33 | bluspacecow | hey now if you want some kinky sex thing you have to know my safe word as well as bringing me dinner and a movie first |
| 06:24.49 | Arazon | It had nothing to do with intercourse o.O |
| 06:24.56 | Arazon | It was a hoodoo man, you know what it is |
| 06:25.00 | bluspacecow | ~wiki hoodoo |
| 06:25.18 | bluspacecow | _Hoodoo (folk magic)_ |
| 06:25.23 | Arazon | It's not on wiki man |
| 06:25.25 | bluspacecow | kinky gaelic love rituals |
| 06:25.31 | Arazon | It's a hoodoo, the guy said it |
| 06:25.42 | Arazon | You remind me of a babe holding a hoodoo |
| 06:25.51 | Arazon | God this is taking too long |
| 06:25.53 | bluspacecow | if you say so |
| 06:25.56 | Arazon | fuck it |
| 06:26.00 | bluspacecow | do i look good holding this hoodoo ? |
| 06:26.08 | Arazon | You are terrible lol |
| 06:26.11 | Neffi | Is it impolite to tell my professor his code is a total mess and that's why it takes hours to explain basic shit? |
| 06:26.18 | Arazon | You are the only person this doesn't work on |
| 06:26.30 | bluspacecow | only if your steve jobs |
| 06:26.35 | Neffi | >_> |
| 06:27.31 | Neffi | Functionally it's great. He's pro. But syntactically it's sloppy as fuck. After 2 hours of explaining linked lists, I showed one of the kids my example and he instantly understood. |
| 06:27.50 | Arazon | Double or single? |
| 06:27.54 | Neffi | Single |
| 06:28.01 | Arazon | idk how you mess that one up lol |
| 06:28.02 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/ShaOfCynicism/status/278871211042291712 |
| 06:28.05 | bluspacecow | so true |
| 06:28.21 | Neffi | by using code that's cryptic, sporadic and very poorly organized |
| 06:29.05 | Arazon | pastebin it |
| 06:29.14 | Arazon | I'm an expert on linked lists lol |
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| 06:29.35 | Arazon | just kidding XD but I like to pretend I am, when I'm having kinky sex with bluespacecow |
| 06:29.42 | Arazon | Turns him on |
| 06:29.45 | bluspacecow | :3 |
| 06:29.52 | Neffi | I don't have that code, it was on the projector |
| 06:30.07 | Arazon | "my dicks a pointer, and you are my address :-S" |
| 06:30.54 | Neffi | here's the example for what I'm doing now, but this is not nearly as bad: http://pastebin.com/nbqksJBt |
| 06:31.32 | Arazon | holee shit C++ graphics *ducks* |
| 06:32.40 | Arazon | why the hell are you doing graphics lol |
| 06:32.44 | Neffi | my code so far. Wanna thumb through it and see if you see a problem while I write the rest? http://pastebin.com/MymE23nD |
| 06:33.20 | Neffi | we need to show that we understand the logic by making simple windows that demonstrate them |
| 06:33.48 | Neffi | this one involves doing a simple bar graph, with radio buttons for sort order, and a button to sort them |
| 06:33.48 | Arazon | dayum |
| 06:35.24 | Arazon | You allowed to use global variables? |
| 06:35.38 | Neffi | Ignore the totally unnecessary use of XOR swap. He gives extra credit for doing things beyond the class's scope/difficulty, so I always throw in something a tad more advanced. |
| 06:36.13 | Neffi | We're allowed to write it as we want. It just needs to meet criteria. |
| 06:36.29 | Neffi | The critera being that it's *selection sort*, not a better algorithm. |
| 06:37.10 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/restokin/status/278903092957831168 |
| 06:37.15 | bluspacecow | please RT those with twitter. |
| 06:37.33 | Neffi | Also that code is just a snippet from the VS-generated namespace, so it's not just being thrown anywhere |
| 06:45.46 | karl_w_w | why do people make torrent file names with no spaces in them? |
| 06:46.05 | karl_w_w | are there really any OSes or databases or anything left in the world that can't handle spaces? |
| 06:49.34 | Jammer | spaces are annoying to deal with in console |
| 06:50.16 | karl_w_w | because you need to put " around the file name? big deal :P |
| 06:51.32 | Neffi | can't you prepend a backslash? |
| 06:51.36 | Neffi | plus tab completion |
| 06:52.08 | Jammer | probably but it's still extra effort that you don't need to do if there are no spaces :p |
| 06:58.15 | Jammer | should just make something like _ equivalent to a space and you wouldn't have to fool around escaping shizzle or avoid using spaces |
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| 07:22.48 | Neffi | "fatal error C1003: error count exceeds 100" =( |
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| 07:26.35 | karl_w_w | http://cdn.damnyouautocorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/vaginacunt.jpg this website cracks me up |
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| 07:29.56 | nevcairiel | they say the autocorrect learns from the words you use more often |
| 07:46.54 | bluspacecow | "i'm peeeeeing" |
| 07:46.55 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 07:50.51 | Arazon | Hey neffi |
| 07:50.53 | Arazon | http://pastebin.com/eQETzjZT |
| 07:51.17 | Arazon | It's just implemented for ascending order but there ya go |
| 07:51.48 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 07:52.13 | Neffi | Arazon: why? |
| 07:52.35 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 07:53.32 | Sintacks | anyone know an alt code E thingy .. |
| 07:53.35 | Arazon | Just to show what an OOP way of goin about it looks like. If someone wanted to implement something in their program that involved sorting an expandable set of integers, all they would have to do is instantiate my object, give it all the values it needs, then call for the object to print itself. |
| 07:53.51 | Arazon | well, call it to sort, and then print itself |
| 07:53.54 | Fisker | why do you hate bluspacecow ? |
| 07:53.59 | bluspacecow | ééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééééé |
| 07:54.00 | bluspacecow | cause |
| 07:54.03 | bluspacecow | radish. |
| 07:54.09 | Sintacks | what about one that looks caps |
| 07:54.19 | Arazon | http://pastebin.com/tgiu6yii is a simple implementation of it |
| 07:55.06 | Arazon | Imagine how simple life would be if you only had to create an array of integers, give an object their pointers, call sort, pass in a sort type (ascending or descending) and then be done |
| 07:57.13 | Arazon | Also note how I don't mess with the users array |
| 07:57.28 | Arazon | Sometimes, the user wants his dataset sorted, but also wants to keep the original |
| 07:57.57 | Arazon | If he wants he can ask for functionality to retrieve the sorted numbers, but if he does, he can pay me extra too ;-) |
| 07:58.18 | Arazon | and it would be as simple as adding another function to my object. |
| 07:58.25 | Arazon | For him to call |
| 08:00.53 | Arazon | aside from him actually populating the dataset, that's three lines of code. |
| 08:01.28 | Arazon | If he wants a return of both ascending and descending, that's four lines. |
| 08:02.28 | Arazon | I'll comment it tomorrow, I'm too tired now lol. Hope this helped, if it doesn't, oh well...it gave me practice, i'm happy with that |
| 08:02.43 | Arazon | peace out |
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| 08:07.32 | zhao | hello |
| 08:07.45 | Kaylin | hi |
| 08:08.36 | zhao | im from china,this channel is great. |
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| 08:09.59 | raffy | if i make my character naked in-game, it shows my damage as 52-53 (nightelf druid) with 2.0 attack speed |
| 08:10.09 | raffy | but my dps shows as 26.21 |
| 08:10.33 | Shirik | and? |
| 08:10.41 | Kaylin | 52.42 is within the range of 52-53 |
| 08:10.47 | raffy | is there an api call that lets me see where value is coming from? |
| 08:10.56 | raffy | yeah but how it is it being generated |
| 08:11.33 | raffy | first weapon must have like a decimal top end or something |
| 08:11.35 | raffy | *fist |
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| 08:14.56 | Kaylin | while I have no idea, wouldn't the default UI code tell you how Blizzard did it? |
| 08:15.53 | raffy | UnitDamage() actually seems to show that both the min/max aren't integers and are just displayed as floor/ceil |
| 08:23.47 | Shirik | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2012/12/10/10375910.aspx |
| 08:26.31 | Kaylin | lol |
| 08:31.29 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 08:31.32 | bluspacecow | http://pastebin.com/hdpzCj6f |
| 08:31.49 | bluspacecow | someone doesn't like wow or sc2 being played on their computer |
| 08:31.55 | bluspacecow | thats a .hosts file to block both :| |
| 08:32.09 | nevcairiel | or he wants to play with himself |
| 08:32.24 | bluspacecow | oh snap |
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| 08:34.37 | Shirik | that would be a pretty neat password stealer, actually |
| 08:34.45 | zhao | i find this channel is good after i browse some other channels |
| 08:35.39 | Shirik | If the MITM is actually on the victim's computer, does that still count as MITM? |
| 08:35.45 | Kaylin | yes |
| 08:36.22 | Dagmar | Shirik: Now you begin to see why we so concerned about DNSHijacker |
| 08:36.37 | Shirik | well it wasn't really that I am suddenly now concerned |
| 08:36.44 | Shirik | I was just curious if it was technically called a MITM attack |
| 08:37.20 | Shirik | the whole trust level of the internet is rather scary |
| 08:37.26 | nevcairiel | only if it actually goes anywhere after localhost |
| 08:37.35 | Shirik | well sure |
| 08:37.36 | nevcairiel | can only be in the middle if there is something to both sides |
| 08:37.51 | Shirik | I meant intercepting the traffic before it leaves and then passing it off to WoW's servers |
| 08:38.03 | nevcairiel | usually you dont hack yourself |
| 08:38.17 | Shirik | but that's more fun |
| 08:38.29 | Shirik | it's always harder to hack someone that's suspecting it |
| 08:39.15 | Kaylin | ugh need 1 more average ilvl for the last 3 rf raids |
| 08:48.15 | zhao | my player is only 44 level now,i hate leveling up. |
| 08:50.26 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 08:51.48 | Fisker | no it doesn't Kaylin |
| 08:54.52 | Kaylin | yes it does fisker. |
| 08:55.00 | Fisker | nope.mp4 |
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| 08:59.00 | Stanzilla | windows 8 product placement in the laterst arrow episode |
| 08:59.53 | Zhao | level 45 can play the random battleground |
| 08:59.55 | Zhao | great |
| 09:00.38 | Kalroth | Stanzilla: its been in a few episodes |
| 09:00.51 | Stanzilla | just noticed it now |
| 09:01.00 | Kalroth | too bad it's so clumsy done that it's more of a deterrent |
| 09:01.04 | Stanzilla | also it |
| 09:01.06 | Stanzilla | and my brain is bad |
| 09:01.20 | Kalroth | was another tv show they used it on, some crime solving thingy |
| 09:01.37 | Kalroth | where they whipped out a windows 8 tablet and used bing |
| 09:01.53 | Stanzilla | that's not very realistic |
| 09:01.55 | Stanzilla | using bing |
| 09:01.56 | Stanzilla | come on |
| 09:02.14 | Kalroth | yeah i dont hope Microsoft paid too much for the ad |
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| 09:11.31 | zenzio | http://thejoysofcode.com/post/36931735251/when-marketing-tries-to-use-technical-terms |
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| 09:36.11 | Neffi | http://thejoysofcode.com/post/36749863567 |
| 09:39.28 | Sintacks | oshit |
| 09:39.33 | Sintacks | BiS rogue wrists on my BMAH |
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| 09:50.23 | chiel | VIad: cool |
| 09:52.57 | VIad | chiel: what? :D |
| 09:58.02 | Zhao | you two man |
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| 10:06.46 | Alram | thanks for that Neffi |
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| 10:25.06 | chiel | VIad: your pet thingy |
| 10:26.54 | VIad | ah, thanks chiel :P |
| 10:27.02 | VIad | I only made it to test it out |
| 10:27.06 | VIad | and it worked hehe |
| 10:27.19 | VIad | why have the server do the work? :P |
| 10:29.25 | chiel | caching :) |
| 10:29.31 | chiel | it's good to be in control |
| 10:29.36 | chiel | means you can control the api etc |
| 10:30.44 | chiel | but yeah, mainly caching |
| 10:34.50 | chiel | i really want to make something wow related now, in node with redis for caching |
| 10:37.22 | VIad | can still cache client side :D |
| 10:37.33 | VIad | only difference is client must accept |
| 10:37.44 | VIad | some pages ask my firefox "can we cashe some files?" :P |
| 10:38.07 | VIad | i.e. it could if allowed cache databases, like list over all recipes in game , that sort of data. |
| 10:38.52 | chiel | sure, but then you're dependant on localcache or webdb, whatever is available |
| 10:39.16 | chiel | if you do it on the backend you can make the client dumber |
| 10:39.33 | chiel | which is usually the better way to go about things. |
| 10:41.20 | Zhao | is "great job" more than "good job" |
| 10:43.20 | chiel | great > good i guess, yes. |
| 10:45.04 | Zhao | yeah |
| 10:45.08 | Zhao | i think so |
| 10:46.48 | Zhao | im from the pandaren's homeland |
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| 10:53.50 | chiel | i was making a monk yesterday, but i couldn't think of a name |
| 10:54.00 | chiel | so annoying when almost every single name is taken >_> |
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| 11:00.22 | Zhao | i name my player like this |
| 11:00.37 | Zhao | use a c++ keyword plus your class name |
| 11:00.43 | Zhao | like voidpaladin |
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| 11:05.30 | zenzio | Dereferencenull |
| 11:06.09 | Zhao | a common c++ kayword plus 11 classes |
| 11:06.30 | Zhao | easy to remember |
| 11:06.42 | Zhao | keyword* |
| 11:09.01 | Kaylin | staticrogue |
| 11:10.43 | Zhao | that is good |
| 11:10.46 | zenzio | Nullptauren |
| 11:11.22 | Zhao | handlehunter |
| 11:13.24 | Zhao | constmage |
| 11:15.29 | chiel | cool, got redis installed now to play with :p |
| 11:27.03 | Kaylin | woo got my apron :D |
| 11:27.39 | Kaylin | idk what 630 cooking actually does but *shrug* |
| 11:28.54 | Stanzilla | nothing sadly |
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| 11:31.50 | VIad | Zhao: <3 |
| 11:32.31 | VIad | I made this loong ago http://ahawk.ziuo.net/ but it still works lol |
| 11:33.12 | VIad | well, almost, I noticed wowhead tooltips broke with latest changes on wowhead :P |
| 11:33.52 | Stanzilla | noob |
| 11:34.29 | VIad | show me your AH website, Stanzilla? :P |
| 11:34.34 | karl_w_w | <Zhao> use a c++ keyword plus your class name <- like mutablemage! |
| 11:34.59 | VIad | I now got more names to use |
| 11:35.53 | VIad | had ran out of ideas, already took Calc, Cyber, Databank, Database, Jquery, Mysql, Portal, Postgresql, Rootkit, Wowhead and Emote, you see Emote and Portal are kind of the odd man out here. |
| 11:36.15 | Stanzilla | YOU are the odd man out there |
| 11:38.49 | VIad | :P |
| 11:41.20 | Zootfizzle | Moo |
| 11:42.14 | VIad | moooo |
| 11:53.17 | zenzio | karl_w_w: of you're going that direction, you could go with Volatilelock |
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| 11:54.09 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7393479848#2 |
| 11:54.11 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 12:02.15 | Sintacks | someone on EU forums saying postal is still not updated. lolz |
| 12:03.39 | Sintacks | I wish i had an EU account |
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| 12:09.19 | foxlit | you wish for strange things |
| 12:09.24 | VIad | http://ahawk.ziuo.net/?item=92741 |
| 12:09.32 | VIad | I think people overprice the shit out of this item lol |
| 12:09.49 | VIad | and no wonder, more chance to get 1% mount drops imo :D |
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| 12:30.51 | Zootfizzle | What are you late night/early morning/some other time zone folks up to? |
| 12:32.02 | Kalroth | I'm stalking random people |
| 12:32.19 | Kalroth | oh shit did i say that out loud |
| 12:32.22 | Kalroth | damnit brain |
| 12:34.21 | karl_w_w | no zenzio, locks are only played by undesirables :P |
| 12:37.30 | Arazon | o.O |
| 12:37.36 | Arazon | O.o |
| 12:37.49 | Kalroth | karl speaks the truth |
| 12:38.18 | Arazon | Hey karl_w_w. Knock knock. |
| 13:03.36 | Arazon | karl fails at knock knock jokes... |
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| 13:04.51 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7392649838 |
| 13:04.57 | bluspacecow | ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 13:08.48 | Arazon | ? |
| 13:08.55 | Arazon | whats so funny |
| 13:11.53 | VIad | lol I bugged a quest boss... |
| 13:12.19 | VIad | you know starting of MOP you kill Ga'trul, a orc that telports and turns into a sha model eventually? |
| 13:12.32 | VIad | he is a bottle neck mob, need to do the quest to kill him to proceed :P |
| 13:12.44 | VIad | in any case, I mind controlled him to log him in my MC database |
| 13:12.52 | VIad | but then he bugged and now is immune to all dmg :P |
| 13:12.56 | VIad | just stands still |
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| 13:14.12 | VIad | hi C |
| 13:15.36 | VIad | another lol thing I discovered |
| 13:15.37 | Cairenn | waves groggily before going back to sleep |
| 13:15.43 | VIad | oh lol it's night :P |
| 13:16.01 | VIad | anyway, I MC these elite quest bosses outside and I jump off, they fall and take fall dmg, die and I get 50k xp from it |
| 13:19.05 | Fisker | punches bluspacecow |
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| 13:25.08 | Fisker | hey alestane |
| 13:25.15 | Fisker | i don't hate you like the plague |
| 13:25.28 | alestane | Okay, good to know. |
| 13:27.43 | Fisker | yep |
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| 13:33.09 | VIad | no one finds what I found out interesting lol :p |
| 13:33.17 | VIad | "exploits? who cares?" |
| 13:33.18 | VIad | :P |
| 13:34.17 | karl_w_w | we are ui police not server police |
| 13:34.23 | VIad | lol |
| 13:34.47 | VIad | mind control rare mob |
| 13:34.50 | VIad | jump off cliff |
| 13:34.51 | VIad | :P |
| 13:47.19 | Neffi | !lua for i = 1,10^100 do end; |
| 13:47.23 | batbot | Neffi: @ maximum execution time exceeded |
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| 13:53.44 | karl_w_w | too many semicolons Neffi :P |
| 13:54.08 | karl_w_w | lua> for i = 1,10^100 do end |
| 13:54.14 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 13:54.31 | karl_w_w | I'm sorry lua_bot |
| 13:54.46 | Neffi | for i = 1,(10^100)^(10^100) do print('karl_w_w: ;'); end |
| 13:55.52 | karl_w_w | lua> if math.random(10)>5 then print("Screw you") else print("You're forgiven") end |
| 13:55.52 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: You're forgiven |
| 13:55.56 | karl_w_w | yayyyy |
| 14:09.42 | VIad | the new loading screen stuff break mind vision jumping |
| 14:09.49 | VIad | I can't mind vision someone, then change target |
| 14:09.55 | VIad | if I do I get loading screen and it bugs :/ |
| 14:10.19 | VIad | actually just jumping normally don't work properly, it will randomly not change the camera, but apply the spell... |
| 14:10.25 | VIad | srsly bluzzard? |
| 14:17.14 | karl_w_w | just finished my collection of the 4 elemental spirits pets |
| 14:20.37 | karl_w_w | umadvlad? |
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| 14:57.19 | VIad | no |
| 14:57.24 | VIad | I tbh can't do it |
| 14:57.28 | VIad | mine is bugged I think |
| 14:57.35 | VIad | or do I seek out the 4 trainers? |
| 15:03.49 | karl_w_w | my guess is you need to finish the other trainer quests first |
| 15:03.55 | karl_w_w | iirc it was just offered to me |
| 15:04.05 | karl_w_w | or maybe from the chick in stormwind |
| 15:05.30 | karl_w_w | anyone know if the average ilvl calc takes item upgrades into account? |
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| 15:24.26 | VIad | if you are like me, trying to always be an optimist, and you wait for some call to say "hey, you got the job!" - at what point, after how much waiting and being optimistic, do you stop being an optimist, and start being a fool? |
| 15:26.11 | karl_w_w | 15% |
| 15:26.31 | VIad | 15%? lol |
| 15:29.15 | karl_w_w | exactly |
| 15:37.17 | karl_w_w | are there any pet databases or anything that let you search by pet skills? |
| 15:37.44 | karl_w_w | like if i want to find a pet that has a heal that can heal other pets, and a skill that applies the burning effect |
| 15:40.40 | VIad | a heal that applies burning effect on the enemy? oh... that will be hard |
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| 15:41.34 | karl_w_w | 2 skills vlad |
| 15:46.42 | VIad | weather effect, team burn or direct burn? |
| 15:46.53 | VIad | (elementals ignore weather effects) |
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| 15:54.39 | karl_w_w | any burn |
| 15:54.44 | Arrowmaster | So I have to drive somebody across town later right next to two movie theaters and pick them back up a few hours later, I could kill some time at the movies but only two movies start around the time I have to drop them off, and one of those movies I watched lastnight |
| 15:54.58 | Arrowmaster | anybody seen the Red Dawn remake? is it any good? |
| 15:55.23 | karl_w_w | but that was just an example really vlad |
| 15:57.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/red_dawn_2012/ Arrowmaster |
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| 17:18.11 | karl_w_w | wow |
| 17:18.28 | karl_w_w | thanks blizzard, for sending me a spoiler in in-game mail spoiling your own storyline |
| 17:18.32 | karl_w_w | SUPERSMART |
| 17:21.03 | pompy1 | THERES AN AUTHENTICATOR ON MY ACCOUNT? |
| 17:21.05 | pompy1 | what? |
| 17:21.07 | pompy1 | GrRR>< |
| 17:21.41 | Lopeppeppy | How authentically annoying. |
| 17:22.29 | karl_w_w | that's a good think pompy1 |
| 17:22.37 | pompy1 | not when i didnt put it on there |
| 17:22.41 | pompy1 | blah |
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| 17:23.35 | karl_w_w | well why didnt you put one on there |
| 17:24.41 | sintAcks | karl_w_w, wat |
| 17:24.43 | Arrowmaster | pompy1: why didnt you have one before? |
| 17:24.56 | sintAcks | pompy1 owned |
| 17:24.58 | Arrowmaster | pompy1: you were given a free one at blizzcon |
| 17:25.02 | sintAcks | lol |
| 17:25.03 | pompy1 | yes i know |
| 17:25.06 | sintAcks | that's even worse |
| 17:25.09 | pompy1 | i went thru my blizzcon suhit the other day |
| 17:25.18 | pompy1 | and was gunna put one on,. but i guess someone beat me to it .. |
| 17:25.27 | sintAcks | your own damn fault |
| 17:25.35 | pompy1 | i know |
| 17:25.46 | pompy1 | ivbe had this acct since 2007 and never had a prob |
| 17:25.48 | sintAcks | off to ticket land for you |
| 17:25.56 | sintAcks | goes tos leep |
| 17:25.58 | pompy1 | isnt there like an authomated way now |
| 17:25.59 | pompy1 | ? |
| 17:26.02 | sintAcks | idk |
| 17:26.11 | sintAcks | should be easy to find out |
| 17:26.27 | sintAcks | something about "i didn't add one" or something when you to try login to battle.net |
| 17:27.14 | pompy1 | https://us.battle.net/account/support/account-recovery.html |
| 17:29.33 | karl_w_w | oh shit just got real in dalaran |
| 17:30.20 | pompy1 | huh? |
| 17:30.33 | kd3 | spoilers, you |
| 17:30.40 | kd3 | yo*. that takes place most of the way into revered |
| 17:31.35 | pompy1 | i got 6 authenticator additoin emails.... |
| 17:31.38 | Arrowmaster | for you dirty apple users, free today https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-bards-tale/id480375355?mt=8 |
| 17:31.39 | pompy1 | at 10am |
| 17:31.51 | pompy1 | at 7am i got a password recovery email.. |
| 17:32.09 | Arrowmaster | is your email gmail? |
| 17:32.23 | Arrowmaster | if so check the access log |
| 17:32.33 | karl_w_w | that's no spoiler kd3 |
| 17:32.41 | pompy1 | Security type: Mobile Authenticator |
| 17:32.53 | pompy1 | nah i have @comcast.net as my bnet |
| 17:33.33 | Arrowmaster | comcast probably sold your email password for a quick buck |
| 17:33.55 | pompy1 | :O |
| 17:34.21 | Arrowmaster | i wouldnt put it past them |
| 17:36.28 | pompy1 | (estimated: 6-12 hours) |
| 17:36.28 | pompy1 | |
| 17:36.37 | pompy1 | kk in the process of restoring |
| 17:36.43 | pompy1 | guess ill change my comcast email too |
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| 17:39.31 | karl_w_w | and put an auth on your account? |
| 17:41.41 | pompy1 | yes |
| 17:41.46 | pompy1 | i got it next to me |
| 17:42.22 | Arrowmaster | set up 2 factor auth on the gmail account you switch the bnet account to |
| 17:42.27 | pompy1 | now i wonder if that weird call from india was about this :O |
| 17:42.54 | Arrowmaster | was it from microsoft saying your pc was infected? |
| 17:44.11 | pompy1 | my comcast ekmail pass wasnt changed |
| 17:44.33 | pompy1 | dunno they said it was some tech dept, didnt catch the name. |
| 17:45.18 | pompy1 | why wouldnt they change my email pass lol |
| 17:47.06 | pompy1 | WHAT |
| 17:47.08 | pompy1 | Security Notice - "Bot" Malware Receive a confirmation if Constant Guard™ has identified that one or more of your computers may be infected with malicious software called a bot |
| 17:47.30 | pompy1 | OH |
| 17:47.30 | pompy1 | NM |
| 17:47.30 | pompy1 | ;) |
| 17:49.53 | pompy1 | Change password (You do not need to change your password) |
| 17:49.55 | pompy1 | why would it say that |
| 17:49.56 | pompy1 | lol |
| 17:50.34 | Lopeppeppy | to steal your new password? |
| 17:53.12 | pompy1 | .... |
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| 18:45.52 | pompy1 | https://twitter.com/BlizzardCS/status/279287411870150656 |
| 18:45.54 | pompy1 | on a thurssday |
| 18:45.55 | pompy1 | wtf |
| 18:50.08 | pompy1 | "Thank you for your patience and understanding while we investigated this issue. We have concluded our investigation of the account and apologize for any inconvenience it may have caused you. After a thorough investigation, we have found this account to be eligible for restoration." |
| 18:50.24 | Lopeppeppy | Broken is broken, whatever day it dies on. But yay for account restoration goodness. |
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| 18:50.58 | pompy1 | lollol |
| 18:50.59 | pompy1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.52 | pompy1 | ok they didnt log into my 90 |
| 18:51.57 | pompy1 | just a low level toon lol |
| 18:52.14 | Kaylin | musta thought it might be a bank alt |
| 18:52.59 | pompy1 | the bank n inventory is full of shit |
| 18:53.06 | pompy1 | they didnt take any of that lol |
| 18:54.09 | kd3 | heh. neat |
| 18:54.18 | kd3 | the landfall storyline takes us to dalaran |
| 18:54.24 | kd3 | but it's a "special" dalaran |
| 18:54.33 | kd3 | floating high above the water in its own instance |
| 18:54.39 | kd3 | (they forgot to seal the underbelly gate) |
| 18:54.39 | pompy1 | SPOILERS |
| 18:54.40 | pompy1 | LOL |
| 18:54.57 | Kaylin | ^ |
| 18:55.14 | kd3 | I'm not saying what's going on there |
| 18:55.23 | Kaylin | so? |
| 18:55.28 | kd3 | takes copious notes for the wiki |
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| 19:03.48 | jnwhiteh | Anyone know if we can convince Curse to do one last Paypal payout before Christmas? =) |
| 19:03.52 | jnwhiteh | I planned poorly |
| 19:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes. |
| 19:07.55 | zenzelezz | ydk |
| 19:07.56 | zenzelezz | ... tsk |
| 19:07.59 | jnwhiteh | would prefer to have them on this years taxes |
| 19:08.04 | jnwhiteh | its not insubstantial |
| 19:08.04 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 19:09.28 | Acenth | The accounting team is super busy this time of year, don't think it'll happen. |
| 19:11.03 | pompy1 | wtf so they went thru the process of restoring everything on the characters but didnt take the authenticator off the accuont..... |
| 19:11.40 | jnwhiteh | Acenth: ah okay, good to know |
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| 19:15.42 | Kaylin | so, does the +cooking bonus from the vendor items do anything? |
| 19:15.55 | Stanzilla | still no |
| 19:17.02 | Alram | <kd3> floating high above the water in its own instance |
| 19:17.05 | Alram | guess where it actually is |
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| 19:17.13 | Alram | because blizzard is like that |
| 19:17.15 | SuperPortia | Afternoon |
| 19:18.08 | Alram | its west of westfall |
| 19:18.08 | Stanzilla | Alram: tell me |
| 19:18.08 | Kaylin | below org? |
| 19:18.11 | Stanzilla | lol |
| 19:18.12 | Alram | http://marlamin.com/minimaps/5.1/16155/JainaDalaranScenario.png |
| 19:18.30 | Alram | its blizzards goto place to put things for some reason |
| 19:18.35 | kd3 | hah |
| 19:19.00 | kd3 | it instakilled me a few hundred yards above the water, so at least they thought of that and had my corpse respawn in the violet citadel... |
| 19:19.20 | Alram | there's probably a way to get to instanced westfall anyways |
| 19:21.20 | SuperPortia | Anybody know of any other specialty mounts that a mount random mount algorithm would need in order to choose most effectively and not try to mount mounts that can't be used in other places; e.g. Abyssal Sea Horse. |
| 19:21.37 | Kaylin | aq mounts |
| 19:21.48 | Kaylin | also, sea turtle would prob be pretty boring out of water, but you can do it |
| 19:21.49 | SuperPortia | They can only be used there? |
| 19:22.09 | Kaylin | black/ultramarine can be used anywhere, red/green/blue/yellow are only usable in aq40 |
| 19:22.19 | SuperPortia | There doesn't seem to be an API that will give you the speed of mounts. |
| 19:23.41 | SuperPortia | For the most part it's moot, but certainly with the specialty mounts, it's not. |
| 19:23.52 | kd3 | mount's don't have intrinsic speeds any more - they're tied to your riding skill |
| 19:24.03 | SuperPortia | Most mounts don't have intrinic speeds. |
| 19:24.10 | SuperPortia | intrinsic |
| 19:24.14 | kd3 | mount's? wow, kd3 |
| 19:25.03 | SuperPortia | Abyssal Sea Horse doesn't change speed, nor does the sea turtle, the Subdued Sea Horse, nor the turtle you get from the TCG. |
| 19:33.50 | kd3 | huh |
| 19:33.58 | kd3 | apparently I'm not off the coast of westfall |
| 19:34.03 | karl_w_w | clearly you meant "mountings" kd3 |
| 19:34.03 | kd3 | invited someone in stormwind to his party |
| 19:34.25 | karl_w_w | and used the apostrophe to indicate the omitted letters |
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| 19:37.24 | SuperPortia | So, yes, certain mountings don't have intrinsic speed. It's based on what you're mounting. |
| 19:38.31 | SuperPortia | Also does anyone know if the CanBeUsedAtWatersSurface flag is still used/significant in the mount flags returned from GetCompanionInfo()? |
| 19:40.13 | SuperPortia | There also doesn't appear to be any way to programatically detect specialty mounts; e.g. the vendor mounts, the multi-person mounts, the alchemist mount, etc. |
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| 19:45.17 | karl_w_w | pretty sure all mounts can be used at water's surface now |
| 19:45.27 | karl_w_w | maybe that return has since changed |
| 19:45.48 | karl_w_w | maybe it's mounts you can use underwater |
| 19:46.13 | SuperPortia | http://us.battle.net/api/wow/item/54797 (doesn't seem to include profession level) |
| 19:47.38 | SuperPortia | The spell it's based on seems to though somehow, just not through the Armory API |
| 19:48.01 | karl_w_w | i hate people who say "as of now" when they mean "up to now" |
| 19:48.11 | karl_w_w | they are very different things people! |
| 19:48.37 | foxlit | as of yet, karl_w_w. |
| 19:49.56 | SuperPortia | Is there a way to determine if a spell has a requirement to use it (like the spell that creates the profession mounts)? |
| 19:50.28 | karl_w_w | are you being deliberately vexatious, foxlit? :P |
| 19:50.37 | foxlit | always! |
| 19:51.00 | Dark_Elf | reverts from savedvariablespercharacter to savedvariables.... |
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| 19:52.24 | foxlit | "SuperPortia: Also does anyone know if the CanBeUsedAtWatersSurface flag is still used/significant in the mount flags returned from GetCompanionInfo()?" << where are you getting the idea that that flag exists? |
| 19:52.52 | SuperPortia | !api GetCompanionInfo |
| 19:52.52 | lua_bot | GetCompanionInfo: Returns information about a non-combat pet or mount (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCompanionInfo) |
| 19:53.43 | foxlit | I thought so, though you kind of made up a name for it :) |
| 19:53.51 | SuperPortia | Yes |
| 19:54.04 | SuperPortia | They don't tell me what the constant value is called. |
| 19:54.28 | karl_w_w | why does it have to be called something? |
| 19:54.46 | foxlit | Keep in mind that third party documentation can be wrong. |
| 19:54.48 | SuperPortia | Because I don't like magic numbers. |
| 19:54.57 | karl_w_w | i wonder if there's one for can walk on ater |
| 19:54.59 | karl_w_w | water |
| 19:56.11 | SuperPortia | Might be. |
| 19:56.14 | SuperPortia | Probably 0x20 |
| 19:56.27 | SuperPortia | Or they may have repurposed 0x04 for that. |
| 19:56.39 | SuperPortia | Data mining will tell. |
| 19:56.54 | karl_w_w | the data's mine! |
| 19:57.17 | SuperPortia | arr! you'll rest the data from my cold, dead hands. |
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| 19:58.06 | SuperPortia | Problem is, I'll actually need the water walking mount to check that. |
| 19:58.16 | SuperPortia | *sigh* more grindyness |
| 20:00.29 | Fisker | haste :( |
| 20:00.33 | Fisker | you are for gays or casters |
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| 20:04.24 | karl_w_w | i have the water walking mount :p |
| 20:04.54 | karl_w_w | but not at pc so cant test |
| 20:05.36 | SuperPortia | Do they not support add-ons in non-PC environments? |
| 20:07.08 | karl_w_w | the issue is more that this non-PC doesn't support wow |
| 20:07.13 | Lopeppeppy | Bliz doesn't officially support non-PC envts period. |
| 20:07.29 | SuperPortia | I thought WoW was available for Mac. |
| 20:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, Mac. I always forget that people include that with "nonPC" |
| 20:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | Because PC is personal computer, which is windows and mac. Non windows is Mac+*ix |
| 20:08.47 | Dark_Elf | considers linux pc too |
| 20:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | See, there ya go. |
| 20:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | We all think of different things when we hear hoofbeats. |
| 20:12.07 | Neffi | holy shit it's a minotaur |
| 20:16.32 | Neffi | "Taste for Blood now only stacks 1 time versus other players (was 3 times)." |
| 20:19.20 | TC-work | http://www.instructables.com/id/Bacon-Pixie-Stix-Pixie-Sticks/ Not ok. |
| 20:23.30 | nudave | Hmm. There should be a way to auto login with kvirc into specific IRC networks and channels. |
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| 20:35.19 | SuperPortia | Is there a way to get the name of an event via its event ID ala http://www.wowhead.com/event=324 |
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| 20:45.09 | durcyn | no, but you can pull it from the achievement |
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| 20:47.42 | SuperPortia | I guess there's only the five and three of them are Brewfest |
| 20:48.17 | SuperPortia | I'll have to create a eventID => achievementID conversion. |
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| 21:15.28 | Maldivia | SuperPortia: chekked if it's listed as part of the calendar system, since the events are listed there? |
| 21:26.01 | foxlit | qq, river's song glows blue, while I'm painting the roses red. |
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| 21:54.49 | mikma | http://youtu.be/YoA_Z7y8f6Q |
| 21:55.17 | Semlar | superportia where are you getting the event id in the first place |
| 21:56.02 | Semlar | the mount source? |
| 21:56.31 | kd3 | https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-resources-and-funding-and-begin-construction-death-star-2016/wlfKzFkN |
| 21:56.32 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 21:56.37 | kd3 | awesome |
| 21:57.00 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/GSbaa.png |
| 21:57.51 | TC-work | We have a death star, it's called our 'National Budget' |
| 22:02.47 | Torhal | http://i.imgur.com/Mz08u.jpg <-- One BILLION times, this! |
| 22:04.52 | Mr_Rabies | okay, i'm getting really tired of getting grouped with idiots |
| 22:04.58 | Mr_Rabies | was in a scenario with a mage doing 4k dps |
| 22:05.32 | Mr_Rabies | i think i'm about to stop doing all random group content entirely |
| 22:06.32 | Semlar | look on the bright side, it was probably a bot |
| 22:08.40 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 22:08.47 | Mr_Rabies | jsut got grouped up with 4 brazlians |
| 22:08.56 | Mr_Rabies | i think i'm done with random dungeons/scenarios/lfr |
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| 22:11.01 | Mr_Rabies | we wiped on the first boss of scholo in record time |
| 22:11.12 | TC-work | Havent i heard that from you already Mr_Rabies |
| 22:11.17 | Mr_Rabies | probably |
| 22:11.45 | Mr_Rabies | i complain about it a lot, but i'm just now finally doing something about it |
| 22:11.46 | Semlar | somebody was complaining about always getting grouped with people from brazil |
| 22:12.28 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know what it is, but pretty much all latin american players that i get grouped up with are terrible |
| 22:12.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'm tired of it |
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| 22:13.37 | Semlar | they're probably playing on a calculator |
| 22:13.57 | Mr_Rabies | i'm talking, i usually do 60-75% of a group's dps when the majority of the group is latin american |
| 22:14.05 | Mr_Rabies | this is almost 100% of the time |
| 22:14.22 | Adys | !api battlepet |
| 22:14.22 | lua_bot | Found 8 possible results for 'battlepet': UnitBattlePetType, UnitIsBattlePetCompanion, UnitIsWildBattlePet, C_PetJournal.GetBattlePetLink, C_PetBattles.SetPendingReportBattlePetTarget, UnitIsOtherPlayersBattlePet, GetAuctionItemBattlePetInfo, UnitBattlePetLevel |
| 22:14.52 | Adys | !api GetAuctionItemBattlePetInfo |
| 22:14.52 | lua_bot | GetAuctionItemBattlePetInfo: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAuctionItemBattlePetInfo) |
| 22:16.10 | Neffi | I wish I could bankroll a movie |
| 22:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 22:16.57 | Neffi | The Children of Hurin is such a beautiful story. It puts LOTR and Hobbit to shame. |
| 22:18.24 | Neffi | kd3: I actually thing something like the Death Star would be an amazing project AND accomplishment for a race like us. But less in the sense of "death" and more in the sense of a totally artificial planetary presence |
| 22:18.28 | Neffi | Maybe in 2000 years |
| 22:20.35 | Mr_Rabies | that's actually one of the core concepts around mobile suit gundam, neffi |
| 22:21.03 | Mr_Rabies | O'neill cylinder-based colonies freefloating at lagrange points |
| 22:21.25 | Neffi | I'm not familiar with some of that terminology |
| 22:21.30 | Mr_Rabies | clusters of hundreds to thousands of colonies at each lagrange point |
| 22:21.30 | Neffi | What are you talking about? |
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| 22:21.43 | Neffi | I know of gundams as mean-ass robot suits from a cartoon when I was like 5 |
| 22:22.14 | Mr_Rabies | hehe |
| 22:22.23 | Semlar | transformers in space |
| 22:22.49 | Mr_Rabies | O'Neill Cylinders are NASA's leading design for a wholly autonomous freefloating space colony, neffi |
| 22:22.55 | Neffi | Well our solar system is huge. We're still not even totally sure if there's more {proto,dwarf}planets beyond Neptune. And we could have a whole cloud of shit sitting out there. |
| 22:23.22 | Neffi | We have a lot of stuff that we can colonize, a lot of raw resources for artificial development and inhabitance. |
| 22:23.25 | Mr_Rabies | Lagrange points are points between celestial bodies where gravity is fairly nullified, so things can kind of just "float" there |
| 22:24.09 | Neffi | Depending on the size no? |
| 22:24.15 | Mr_Rabies | http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/media/990529/990529b.jpg |
| 22:24.19 | Mr_Rabies | they're fairly huge points |
| 22:24.31 | Neffi | Jupiter presents a pretty big hazard to a prospect of introducing an extra planet into orbit |
| 22:24.32 | Semlar | um, we have a lot of space here on earth we could colonize too |
| 22:24.34 | Mr_Rabies | that's showing gravitational fields |
| 22:24.34 | Neffi | huge gravity well there |
| 22:25.00 | Mr_Rabies | well, that's the thing, Semlar, this is where population density is more like tokyo across the whole world |
| 22:25.12 | Mr_Rabies | and huge sections are uninhabitable due to resources being dried up |
| 22:25.20 | Neffi | Meh. We already intersect those points and we have a moon. I'm thinking of expanding outward to bridge the empty space between planets |
| 22:25.21 | VIad | I dislike curse client |
| 22:25.24 | Mr_Rabies | the number of people in space outnumber those on earth as well |
| 22:25.32 | VIad | I don't let me decide where to install lol :P |
| 22:25.34 | Semlar | you say we have uninhabitable climates but you're talking about colonizing space |
| 22:25.42 | Semlar | there's an incongruity here |
| 22:25.43 | Mr_Rabies | well |
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| 22:26.06 | Mr_Rabies | colonization started simply due to technology |
| 22:26.10 | Neffi | Semlar: Surprisingly less than you might think. We need trees and animals and ecosystem. We can't colonize everything, it just isn't feasible. Even if ecosystem werent an issue, economy is. Resources on a single planet are limited. |
| 22:26.12 | VIad | C:\Users\Vlad\AppData\Local\Apps\2.0\4J72GO31.KEG\HE5YAHTV.ZV2\curs..tion_9e9e83ddf3ed3ead_0005.0001_dafeadaaa30c70ac |
| 22:26.21 | VIad | nice place for a program :D easy to remember |
| 22:26.22 | Neffi | Meanwhile we have massive celestial bodies next to us ripe for harvesting |
| 22:26.32 | Semlar | harvesting what |
| 22:26.39 | VIad | yes I am a CMD holic, I always run programs using Win+R and enter the path to the executable :3 |
| 22:26.40 | TC-work | yes VIad, it's the same as chrome. |
| 22:26.49 | Mr_Rabies | but there was a massive war involving nuclear weaponry and dropping said colonies on the earth in a few spots |
| 22:26.54 | VIad | I dislike these web installer things. |
| 22:26.55 | Stanzilla | VIad: u dumb bro? |
| 22:27.14 | durcyn | Stanzilla: he's amarande 2.0 |
| 22:27.15 | Stanzilla | VIad: just hit win key instead, type app name and hit enter, no need for path :( |
| 22:27.21 | Semlar | if there were a massive nuclear war on earth, it would STILL be more habitable than another planet |
| 22:27.22 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: did i walk in on a gundam conversation |
| 22:27.22 | Neffi | Minerals, things that can be used for energy, compounds that can go into synthesis when we can start manipulating nuclear bonds en masse to transmute. |
| 22:27.27 | Mr_Rabies | yes Arrowmaster |
| 22:27.33 | Stanzilla | durcyn: harsh |
| 22:28.02 | Semlar | space is bleak as shit |
| 22:28.09 | Neffi | Not really |
| 22:28.15 | VIad | btw experiencing weird interface panel issues |
| 22:28.29 | VIad | sometimes objects can become untargetable... gotta close and reopen the panel for this to correct itself |
| 22:28.37 | Neffi | Earth has fewer special properties than you think. It just happens to be the habitat we're built for. We can recreate suitable conditions with the technology. |
| 22:28.54 | Neffi | Mars could be tera-formed. Biodomes can be built anywhere that resources and pressure allow. |
| 22:29.05 | Semlar | i guarantee anything we could do on another planet would be easier here |
| 22:29.15 | Semlar | it doesn't make any sense |
| 22:29.18 | Mr_Rabies | this is basically the interior of an o'neill cylinder http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100925211137/spacecolonization/images/5/50/IslandThree_Interior1.jpg |
| 22:29.31 | Neffi | You're looking at it from the wrong perspective |
| 22:29.42 | Neffi | it's not about creating ideal conditions, it's about pushing the fonteir |
| 22:29.48 | Neffi | Earth can only be pushed so far |
| 22:29.55 | Semlar | what are we pushing towards |
| 22:29.56 | Neffi | we're already damaging it |
| 22:30.10 | Neffi | pushing towards what we can because we can |
| 22:30.18 | Neffi | that's the beauty of being an intellectual race |
| 22:30.36 | Neffi | We will eventually have the power to colonize other planets and even create quasi-planets. |
| 22:30.48 | Semlar | i just don't see the point |
| 22:31.00 | Semlar | humans really aren't that great |
| 22:31.01 | Neffi | Not in the immediate future, no. But eventually. |
| 22:31.10 | Neffi | Man needs goals. Without goals he just dwells in dogma. |
| 22:31.15 | Mr_Rabies | i think we should be the universe's cockroaches |
| 22:31.32 | Mr_Rabies | once we get off this planet, we, as a species, are immortal |
| 22:31.36 | Neffi | We're like dogs. When we have toys to play with we're content. When we don't, we start destroying things. |
| 22:31.42 | Semlar | we don't exactly have a utopia here right now |
| 22:31.51 | Semlar | i can only imagine what space colonies would really be like |
| 22:32.01 | durcyn | you should both just tape your eyeballs open and watch the entire series of Cosmos |
| 22:32.07 | Neffi | I'm forseeing 1-2000 years into the future, not 50-100 |
| 22:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | that's one of the points of gundam :p |
| 22:32.20 | Neffi | trying to built an artificial planet by 2050 would be irresponsible |
| 22:32.25 | Mr_Rabies | in the creator's eyes, it wouldn't be any better |
| 22:33.02 | Mr_Rabies | instead of just worrying about thermonuclear war, you have to worry about people dropping colonies filled with millions of people onto sydney |
| 22:33.14 | Mr_Rabies | i love that series a lot :p |
| 22:33.50 | Neffi | And I agree with the sentiments that once we colonize other worls we are (figuratively) immortal |
| 22:33.59 | Semlar | nah |
| 22:34.02 | Neffi | It's beneficial to our society. In our best interests. |
| 22:34.12 | Semlar | eventually we'll die out |
| 22:34.14 | Neffi | The world can be destroyed. Empires can fall. |
| 22:34.27 | Semlar | even if we survive up to the heat death of the universe |
| 22:34.34 | Neffi | Just like China continued when Rome fell, Mars can continue when Earth eventually falls |
| 22:35.03 | Mr_Rabies | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111204074443/gundam/images/d/d3/1321920117950.png |
| 22:35.08 | Neffi | The globalization we're facing right now essentially makes us 1 civilization. Greater potential for both expansion AND failure. And when we fall, we will fall much harder. |
| 22:35.12 | Mr_Rabies | bye sydney opera house ;_; |
| 22:35.33 | Neffi | If we seriously survived billions of years, I'm sure we'd come to a point where we could actually outlast it |
| 22:36.09 | Neffi | I mean, billions of years. We've went from harnessing electricity to pushing the forefront of quantum computing in less than a millenium. |
| 22:36.11 | Mr_Rabies | this conversation also reminds of a comic i read fairly recently |
| 22:36.13 | Neffi | MUCH less |
| 22:36.25 | Mr_Rabies | about earth being a reality tv show set up by aliens millions of years ago |
| 22:36.50 | Neffi | you mean South Park? |
| 22:36.55 | Mr_Rabies | but due to all of earth's hardships due to being set up with conflict as its core, ironically humans are the strongest species in the galaxy |
| 22:36.56 | Neffi | episode Cancalled =) |
| 22:37.00 | Semlar | self destruction would be an ironic outcome of evolutionary success |
| 22:37.22 | Neffi | Self destruction is inherent to our infrastructure, not necessarily our biology |
| 22:37.31 | Neffi | The more complex a system gets, the more likely it is to fail |
| 22:37.42 | Mr_Rabies | so the powers that be behind the tv station decide to cancel channel earth after millions of years, for fear of us discovering who they are |
| 22:37.42 | Neffi | The chance increases exponentially for a lot of reasons |
| 22:38.16 | Neffi | Just figure that a lot of people hold the notion that in sufficiently complex software, it's mathematically impossible to prove it's bug-free |
| 22:38.29 | Neffi | Our civilization is literally the most complex thing we know of |
| 22:38.32 | Mr_Rabies | problem is, we do discover, by a person that some aliens abducted to be an intergalactic wrestling champion teleporting back to earth to warn us |
| 22:38.36 | Neffi | by orders of magnitude |
| 22:38.52 | Semlar | what |
| 22:38.55 | Semlar | no it isn't |
| 22:39.18 | Semlar | that is ludicrously egotistical |
| 22:39.21 | Neffi | In macroscopic scale I hold that it is |
| 22:40.04 | Neffi | By sheer numbers, the amount of people, the amount of systems those people comprise, the smaller infrastructures binding those systems, the larger ones binding those |
| 22:40.12 | Neffi | there are many layers of inherent complexity |
| 22:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | i think we're allowed to be egotistical in this regard until someone else proves otherwise :p |
| 22:40.46 | Neffi | Not in a political sense, but in a mathematical one. There are a lot of points of failure, and that's why civilizations tend to fall when they grow too large. |
| 22:41.00 | Neffi | No civilization before us had lasted forever without MAJOR incident |
| 22:41.14 | Semlar | well if they had we wouldn't be where we are |
| 22:41.33 | Neffi | and that's not even considering incidents of nature, which will eventually happen catastrophically. look at the dinosaurs. |
| 22:42.02 | Neffi | Because we've never been as globalized as we are no, and the future is only pushing towards more of that |
| 22:42.12 | Neffi | we will hit a point where Earth is 1 huge civilization |
| 22:42.14 | Mr_Rabies | http://images.tfaw.com/common/salestools/previews/gigantic1/gigantic1p3.jpg |
| 22:42.54 | Neffi | Eventually something is bound to happen. Be it nuclear/catastrophic war, acts of nature, or pure failure of infrastructure. It will happen eventually. Earth will not last forever. |
| 22:43.07 | Semlar | so what |
| 22:43.19 | Semlar | what's the difference between the end of the earth and the end of the universe from our perspective |
| 22:43.27 | Neffi | So we've lasted this far because even when something falls, there's lots more humans to continue |
| 22:43.43 | Neffi | we'll eventually reach a point with Earth where we're prone to total world-wide devastation |
| 22:44.03 | Neffi | in such a case, having humans elsewhere in space would ensure survival |
| 22:44.20 | Semlar | but why is our survival so important |
| 22:44.27 | Neffi | why not? |
| 22:44.40 | Neffi | what else should we strive for but mutual self-interest of our species? |
| 22:44.51 | Neffi | that's the most basic biologic drive |
| 22:45.34 | Semlar | yes, it's biological imperative, not anything rational |
| 22:45.35 | Neffi | if you want to take the pessimistic approach, you must admit that at least logically survival is still important to us |
| 22:45.45 | Neffi | if not, you are a hypocrite for continuing to feed yourself |
| 22:45.53 | Neffi | it's totally rational |
| 22:46.35 | Semlar | grasping at whatever small bit of hope we have to continue on as a species |
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| 22:47.09 | Neffi | I may live for 100 years at best case. How do I spend that 100 years? I'm wired with endorphins, and intellectual and moral persuit can trigger these endorphins. Doing my part to help my race out intellectually represents the path of most gain for me as an individual. |
| 22:47.38 | Mr_Rabies | that's the thing though, once all our eggs aren't in one basket, we're set |
| 22:47.43 | Neffi | On the whole, it makes sense for humans (and indeed all life) to strive to maintain its survival indefinitely |
| 22:47.57 | Mr_Rabies | we're literally one errant asteroid away from extinction |
| 22:48.03 | Neffi | aye |
| 22:48.08 | Mr_Rabies | hello Ressy and welcome to philosophy chats |
| 22:48.11 | Semlar | but so what |
| 22:48.20 | Semlar | we get wiped out by an asteroid? |
| 22:48.27 | Semlar | nobody is around to regret it |
| 22:48.38 | Neffi | literally at any moment, the only thing left of our species will be a couple stray satellites and crafts moving about (or moving away from) our solar system |
| 22:49.08 | Semlar | oh it's sad, to be sure |
| 22:49.27 | Neffi | By that logic, we should stop putting in all the effort and instead put our resources into creating pure antimatter or neutronium bombs so we can just destroy Earth now. |
| 22:49.28 | Semlar | but death is an inevitable part of life |
| 22:49.41 | Neffi | That's very narrow |
| 22:49.46 | Semlar | that doesn't mean we should kill ourselves |
| 22:49.55 | Neffi | Life is nothing but a continued system of complexity and self-interest |
| 22:50.02 | Semlar | but it also doesn't mean we should do everything we can just to keep going |
| 22:50.12 | Semlar | those are both extremes |
| 22:50.18 | Neffi | life, death, rebirth, death, rebirth, to infinity is what the universe is |
| 22:50.50 | Mr_Rabies | as i view it though |
| 22:50.51 | Neffi | we shouldnt allow prospects of death to depress us into giving up to it |
| 22:50.59 | Mr_Rabies | refusing to expand is essentially killing ourselves |
| 22:51.13 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, not us |
| 22:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | but "us" as a species |
| 22:51.18 | Neffi | a strong analogy can be painted to the universe itself |
| 22:51.44 | Neffi | the big bang happens. and it continues to expand, faster even. the universe as a whole is the ultimate success story BECAUSE it expands |
| 22:51.51 | Mr_Rabies | i think if anything we deserve to live long enough to cause the heat death of the universe |
| 22:52.01 | Neffi | because it expends effort into creation and continued development |
| 22:53.08 | Neffi | The universe is just energy. In a billion years, we can expand our intelligence quite far. |
| 22:53.36 | Neffi | With all that energy at our disposal, our consciousness could be a guiding factor in whether or not the universe dies |
| 22:53.42 | Neffi | and if not ours, some races' |
| 22:54.11 | Semlar | there is no not, the universe will die |
| 22:54.27 | Neffi | the nice thing is, you cannot say that for sure |
| 22:54.33 | Semlar | yes i can |
| 22:54.42 | Neffi | because even the most fundamental theories are not complete |
| 22:54.42 | Semlar | there will be a point where there is no life in the universe |
| 22:55.04 | Neffi | life will always exist as long as energy exists |
| 22:55.30 | Semlar | while energy may not be destroyed, it can become trapped |
| 22:55.42 | Semlar | useless |
| 22:56.00 | Neffi | energy allows the decay of entropy to halt in a given region. that's all you need. after that, it's just a matter of the complex quantum/physical systems eventually forming something self-replicating. |
| 22:56.06 | Neffi | things evolve from there |
| 22:56.11 | Neffi | life must exist everywhere |
| 22:56.29 | Semlar | it doesn't |
| 22:56.35 | Mr_Rabies | i just want to use this moment to point out that there's an anime for everything |
| 22:56.41 | Neffi | in a sense, stars and planets and galaxies are alive, for they have a birth, death, life cycle, respond to some influence, and can disrupt the normal decay of entropy |
| 22:56.46 | Mr_Rabies | there's a show about prolonging the heat death of the universe |
| 22:57.13 | Neffi | there are some theoretical physicists who put forth the hypothesis that heat death is silly |
| 22:57.19 | Neffi | it will just be a major phase transition |
| 22:57.29 | Neffi | moving to a much less dense state of things |
| 22:58.53 | Neffi | and if quantum mechanics pans out in ways we still can't fathom, whose to say the universe isn't just one big complex wave? we might see its eventual death, but maybe we don't see the constructive interference that will boost it back to life. or whatever's outside of it donating more energy to it. |
| 22:59.24 | Mr_Rabies | turns out the best way to prevent the heat death of the universe is to recruit high school girls to fight witches as magical girls until they lose all hope and they themselves become witches |
| 22:59.45 | Neffi | I suspected as much |
| 23:00.13 | Mr_Rabies | then the embodiment of all their crushed dreams can be converted into energy and stored to prolong the heat death of the universe |
| 23:00.15 | kd3 | speaking of, wtb bd release of the first movie |
| 23:00.20 | Mr_Rabies | anime sure is weird sometimes |
| 23:01.38 | Neffi | if only information were that energetic |
| 23:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | i really just want humankind to survive long enough for "Man after Man" to be a reality |
| 23:03.23 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.anonymousphilanthropist.com/jots/manafterman/huntersymbiont.jpg |
| 23:03.29 | Mr_Rabies | this is the weirdest freakin' book |
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| 23:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | that's where this came from: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2e7y9WwSF1ro0ixho1_500.jpg |
| 23:05.54 | Neffi | Hmm. The O'Neill Cylinder isn't too dissimilar to the Geometer's ship from Anathem |
| 23:06.18 | Neffi | Only it was engineered as a series of connected spheres inside a housing for the purpose of travel as wel |
| 23:07.46 | Neffi | It proposes an interesting multiverse idea too |
| 23:08.24 | Mr_Rabies | is there anywhere i can read a description of the ship? :o |
| 23:08.38 | Mr_Rabies | (other than just hunting down the book ofc) |
| 23:08.59 | Neffi | Casaul links between the multiverse are detected by people and misinterpreted via dogmatic belief as being a vision of heaven, so they travel to the "higher" universe only to find another civilization that has seen an even higher one and idealizes it as their heaven. |
| 23:09.36 | Neffi | and they jump universe to universe looking for some malformed notion of heaven only to find increasingly more advanced civilization |
| 23:10.31 | Neffi | The ideal universe appears as a place of pure triangles in a belief system in the protagonists book. Pure triangles embodying Pythag's theorems. |
| 23:10.43 | Neffi | it's a clever decontruction of dogma |
| 23:11.00 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: Give me a few minutes |
| 23:11.28 | Neffi | They mention the ship by name when they first discover it in orbit over their planet, so if I can find that mentioned I'll google you a description |
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| 23:12.09 | Neffi | I recommend reading it anyway if you're into theoretical science |
| 23:12.29 | Mr_Rabies | i really want a copy of The High Frontier |
| 23:12.49 | Neffi | Amazing science fiction. Huge in detail, very entertaining to the nerd. Very scientifically accurate without being dry and overly technical. |
| 23:12.53 | Mr_Rabies | that's from Gerard K. O'Neill, who the O'Neill Cylinder is named after |
| 23:14.24 | Mr_Rabies | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_High_Frontier:_Human_Colonies_in_Space |
| 23:14.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of depressing though |
| 23:14.36 | Mr_Rabies | a "what might have been" |
| 23:16.19 | Neffi | ack. he omitted the ship from the glossary, i guess to avoid spoiling the plot. |
| 23:17.58 | Neffi | Mr_Rabies: http://anathem.wikia.com/wiki/Daban_Urnud |
| 23:17.59 | Neffi | =) |
| 23:18.12 | Neffi | not as detailed as i'd hoped, but it's the best description on the net probably |
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