| 00:02.50 | VIad | Gnarfoz: chill down |
| 00:03.05 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
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| 00:06.41 | VIad | Gnarfoz: http://imgur.com/gallery/y6iy2 |
| 00:07.06 | Gnarfoz | yes, very interesting o_O |
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| 00:07.53 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:10.34 | Arazon | brb polar bears |
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| 00:50.38 | Zootfizzle | wonders if cogwheel is real or imaginary. |
| 01:11.08 | TC-work | cogwheel is real Zootfizzle. |
| 01:11.20 | TC-work | He just has his own imaginary issues to deal with |
| 01:11.24 | Zootfizzle | buries cogwheel in sprockets just to make sure. |
| 01:11.28 | TC-work | Like reality |
| 01:13.01 | cogwheel | it's all my fault |
| 01:13.47 | cogwheel | if i were imaginary i'd be an iCog |
| 01:13.50 | TC-work | Yes, when cogwheel sleeps, we die |
| 01:17.15 | Zootfizzle | Are we cogwheel solipsists now? |
| 01:17.23 | Zootfizzle | Why do I keep missing all these memos? |
| 01:18.53 | TC-work | Because cog is asleep |
| 01:20.44 | Zootfizzle | So while cog is asleep I'm experiencing unreality? |
| 01:21.32 | cogwheel | i'm not asleep! i'm writing teh codez! |
| 01:21.36 | TC-work | No, you experience no reality. When he is awake you experience unrealityh |
| 01:21.45 | TC-work | unreality* |
| 01:21.51 | Zootfizzle | Heya cog :) |
| 01:22.29 | cogwheel | hihi :) |
| 01:27.24 | Ackis | hi Zootfizzle |
| 01:27.30 | Zootfizzle | Hey Ackis! |
| 01:30.52 | Ackis | 20 pound cat flopping on my desk/mouse/keyboard is not fun |
| 01:34.15 | Semlar | that is like two cats in one |
| 01:34.23 | VIad | team america world police |
| 01:34.29 | Zootfizzle | Fuck yeah! |
| 01:37.19 | sintAcks | why am i downloading a 263KB patch at 4bytes per second |
| 01:37.43 | Zootfizzle | Because blizzard hates you and won't seed you the patch |
| 01:37.48 | Semlar | hey vlad: http://i.imgur.com/dwouD.jpg |
| 01:37.50 | Arazon | Some service technicians are sitting around a console at your local ISP office with troll faces. |
| 01:39.41 | Semlar | i mean.. viad |
| 01:39.47 | VIad | :P |
| 01:40.02 | VIad | I am gonna teach you to type "v l a d" it's not so ahrd :d |
| 01:40.02 | Semlar | :| |
| 01:40.03 | VIad | hard* |
| 01:40.10 | VIad | nice seml |
| 01:40.13 | VIad | semlar |
| 01:40.35 | Semlar | why is your L an I |
| 01:41.12 | VIad | because Vlad is taken |
| 01:41.17 | VIad | and Vlad| looked retarded |
| 01:41.27 | VIad | but capital i and l look similar |
| 01:41.32 | Semlar | yeah, but now vlad doesn't ping you |
| 01:41.34 | VIad | so I figured I could use it |
| 01:41.36 | VIad | it does :d |
| 01:41.39 | Semlar | okay |
| 01:41.51 | VIad | added aliases on my ping list ^^ |
| 01:42.17 | Zootfizzle | I'm going to call you just V |
| 01:42.18 | Zootfizzle | It sounds fun |
| 01:42.25 | Semlar | for vendetta? |
| 01:42.29 | Zootfizzle | Probably |
| 01:42.46 | Semlar | vasodilator? |
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| 01:43.08 | Zootfizzle | more likely a vasoconstrictor |
| 01:43.09 | VIad | :p |
| 01:43.55 | VIad | say viad |
| 01:44.00 | Semlar | VIAD |
| 01:44.02 | VIad | :D |
| 01:44.04 | Zootfizzle | v00m |
| 01:44.22 | VIad | my font I l looks almost identical :D |
| 01:44.28 | Semlar | not mine |
| 01:44.43 | Zootfizzle | serif ftw |
| 01:44.47 | Semlar | the I has crossbars |
| 01:45.05 | Zootfizzle | It's a semi-structural detail |
| 01:45.15 | Semlar | you're a semi-structural detail |
| 01:45.24 | Zootfizzle | Of course I am |
| 01:45.26 | Zootfizzle | I'm a quantum gnome |
| 01:45.37 | Semlar | what's that like |
| 01:45.47 | Zootfizzle | Very incremental |
| 01:46.08 | Semlar | i imagine it would be |
| 01:47.30 | Semlar | i don't like using y for yards |
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| 01:47.48 | Semlar | i should convert this to meters |
| 01:48.27 | Semlar | maybe just not have an indication of units |
| 01:52.45 | Semlar | oh yd would work |
| 01:53.07 | Semlar | ACCEPTABLE COMPROMISE |
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| 02:00.27 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2cfHF.jpg how's that look |
| 02:02.21 | Jammer | is that ilvl or level requirement? |
| 02:02.40 | Semlar | it's ilevel, i don't know if i'm going to keep it |
| 02:03.01 | Semlar | i was going to color it based on what you had equipped |
| 02:03.54 | Semlar | it could help bring attention to potential upgrades |
| 02:04.05 | Jammer | I suppose it's nice especially if the boss drops different ilvl items |
| 02:06.50 | Mr_Rabies | i think that's a good idea semlar |
| 02:11.37 | Arrowmaster | so i just replaced the thermocoupling in my gas furnace so if you dont hear from me again ive blown up my house |
| 02:12.28 | Semlar | noted |
| 02:12.57 | Arrowmaster | and i still dont know what a thermocoupling does or how it works |
| 02:13.44 | TC-work | Well, we hard from you again |
| 02:13.53 | TC-work | no big bada-boom for you then |
| 02:16.34 | VIad | why can't nameplates use SetScale in combat? |
| 02:16.54 | Semlar | secure frames |
| 02:17.01 | VIad | but it's just a "Frame" object |
| 02:17.08 | Semlar | it's a secure frame |
| 02:17.16 | Semlar | they're clickable |
| 02:17.18 | VIad | screw it |
| 02:17.30 | VIad | just make it C-side target |
| 02:17.45 | VIad | i.e. buypass taint and make us do what we want with the frames :D |
| 02:17.51 | Semlar | i tried to move all of the nameplates off to the side once to use as clickable unit frames, worked great until combat started |
| 02:18.35 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/dvlWI.jpg too much? |
| 02:19.14 | SuperPortia|roam | Nice shot |
| 02:20.05 | Semlar | i have an arrow pointing to where the boss is but i want to change it to something else or get rid of it once you're in the general area |
| 02:20.39 | Semlar | i'm using your proximity to determine which boss to display |
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| 02:29.10 | Jammer | Semlar: how do you know where the boss is? |
| 02:29.23 | Semlar | the buttons on the map >_> |
| 02:30.03 | Semlar | and i used my mad map skills to calculate the distances |
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| 02:30.28 | Jammer | so what happens if you fight 2 boss at once? :p |
| 02:30.39 | Semlar | well, the combat log portion supports that |
| 02:30.48 | Semlar | it does keep track of what encounters you're currently engaged in |
| 02:30.58 | Jammer | do you see loot for both bosses? |
| 02:30.59 | Semlar | but i'm not sure how i should display it |
| 02:31.37 | Semlar | i can definitely show the loot from all of the bosses you were fighting |
| 02:31.45 | Jammer | also can we ctrl click the items to see if they have any transmog potential? |
| 02:31.45 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 02:31.55 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder what happens if you kill two "bonus loot" bosses at the same time |
| 02:31.56 | Mr_Rabies | :o |
| 02:32.18 | Jammer | you get really confused what bonus loot is for what boss ? :D |
| 02:32.35 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i don't think there's any information available to the user as to who dropped what |
| 02:32.44 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 02:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | which is for which |
| 02:32.55 | Jammer | can you use bonus rolls for old content? |
| 02:32.59 | Mr_Rabies | nah |
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| 02:33.29 | Mr_Rabies | they may just turn off bonus rolls for content as it gets older |
| 02:33.47 | Mr_Rabies | since right now it's impossible to kill two at once |
| 02:34.26 | Mr_Rabies | semlar: does that addon use sharedmedia? :o |
| 02:34.37 | Semlar | it doesn't use anything right now |
| 02:34.42 | Semlar | just in game stuff |
| 02:35.10 | Mr_Rabies | if you're too worried about the visual design of it, you could always go modular/configurable as heck and leave the defaults to how you like it :p |
| 02:36.22 | Mr_Rabies | anytime i load up an addon and see a pile of checkboxes it's like christmas morning |
| 02:37.48 | Semlar | yeah but i'm terrible with adding options to my addons |
| 02:38.18 | Semlar | i at least want it to look pretty good when i release it |
| 02:44.03 | Semlar | but mostly i want it to work |
| 02:44.32 | Semlar | so the interface is done for now |
| 02:46.30 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/b6vb6.jpg |
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| 03:54.56 | Semlar | whoops, it looks like it displays heroic-only bosses on the map when you're in normal mode |
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| 04:06.08 | Semlar | ..they misspelled "filter" as "filer" 3 times in this script including comments |
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| 04:27.39 | pompy | Semlar lacks context. |
| 04:27.50 | karl_w_w | My name Elena. Please, do not doubt. My letter real. I real, and the fair girl. I live in Russia. My age of 28 years. |
| 04:27.50 | karl_w_w | I write to you from the Internet-cafe. To me the manager the Internet - cafe has helped to find you. I badly understand on the Internet. Therefore I have not understood where he has found yours email. I hope, it will not push away you to me to answer. I search for the person for good friendship. I wish to have the friend from your country. Your country was always interesting to me. I planned to arrive to your country for work. I send you |
| 04:28.30 | Semlar | -- if not fileredByDifficulty |
| 04:28.58 | karl_w_w | i get the best junk mail |
| 04:29.31 | pompy | i got an email from Felicia Day with a suspicious link |
| 04:29.35 | pompy | how mean of her ;( |
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| 04:29.47 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: why arent young russian girls emailing me =( |
| 04:29.58 | pompy | lols |
| 04:32.17 | Dagmar | You didn't give your credit card number to the helpful website is why |
| 04:32.34 | karl_w_w | they don't wish to have the friend from your country Arrowmaster, don't take it personally |
| 04:32.54 | Arrowmaster | but russian girls love americans |
| 04:33.36 | karl_w_w | you just tell yourself that |
| 04:34.45 | kd3 | emails out (no changes) |
| 04:35.19 | Arrowmaster | oh damn you |
| 04:35.36 | Arrowmaster | was reaching for the tablet thinking it might be something important |
| 04:36.00 | kd3 | that's why I put no changes here and in the email subject... >.> |
| 04:41.17 | karl_w_w | hawtfixes! |
| 04:42.34 | Neffi | Totally not #wowuidev topic, but anyone run the Paranoid Android ROM? |
| 04:42.55 | Cairenn | This channel has topics? |
| 04:42.56 | Neffi | it looks pretty slexy and i'm wondering how it holds up nowadays. I remember it used to be very buggy during initial development. |
| 04:43.13 | Neffi | Cairenn: Yeah, furry stuff |
| 04:44.45 | TC-work | This channel has topics like people have pants around Cairenn |
| 04:44.54 | kd3 | bahahaha |
| 04:45.01 | karl_w_w | today's topic is whatever random shit people think of, interspersed with the slightest frisson of Lua coding |
| 04:45.04 | Cairenn | steals TC-work's pants |
| 04:45.14 | TC-work | Damnit! |
| 04:45.33 | TC-work | s/mn/mm/ |
| 04:45.57 | TC-work | Less amusing when i am at work Cairenn |
| 04:46.02 | Cairenn | heh |
| 04:46.04 | TC-work | at least for other people |
| 04:46.07 | Cairenn | Maybe for you |
| 04:48.03 | karl_w_w | you're all so mad |
| 04:48.47 | karl_w_w | and when I say mad I mean truly gone fishing, not like Fisker |
| 04:49.59 | Neffi | the voices that control me from inside my head say I shouldn't kill you.. yet |
| 04:50.13 | Neffi | on the upside I made this half-pony half-monkey monster for you |
| 04:52.41 | karl_w_w | aww it's like a scene from that great feel-good family movie, Shining http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfout_rgPSA |
| 04:53.42 | Neffi | karl_w_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ryNJVreiY |
| 05:04.18 | __Jamash | only 8 shopping days until the end of the world! |
| 05:04.40 | karl_w_w | i still have no fuckin idea what to get anyone |
| 05:04.52 | karl_w_w | and what do u mean 8 |
| 05:04.55 | karl_w_w | u crazy? |
| 05:05.48 | __Jamash | you buy people presents for the mayan nibiru pole shift magnetic reversal apocalypse? |
| 05:07.53 | __Jamash | http://phys.org/news/2012-10-maya-demand-doomsday-myth.html |
| 05:20.42 | kd3 | oh, geez |
| 05:20.58 | kd3 | it's been 40 years today (EST) since humans last set foot on the moon |
| 05:26.40 | Shirik | pop quiz |
| 05:26.56 | Shirik | I have an item on my paycheck earnings "Fringe benefit: $50.00" |
| 05:26.59 | SuperPortia|roam | Well I beat Aki the last pet grand master. |
| 05:27.03 | Shirik | any idea wtf this could mean? |
| 05:27.22 | kd3 | hey, have a free $50 bonus? |
| 05:28.33 | Shirik | not the point |
| 05:28.40 | Shirik | not complaining about $50 |
| 05:28.42 | Shirik | but where did it come from |
| 05:29.00 | Cairenn | Christmas bonus? |
| 05:29.06 | Shirik | or rather who in their right mind thinks that "fringe benefit" actually means something |
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| 05:29.12 | Shirik | we don't get a christmas bonus :( |
| 05:29.20 | Shirik | we do get a yearly bonus but it should be significantly higher than $50 |
| 05:29.29 | Cairenn | Disguised Christmas bonus? |
| 05:29.31 | Shirik | but that doesn't happen until Q4 is complete |
| 05:29.32 | Shirik | maybe |
| 05:29.40 | Shirik | can't call it Christmas though |
| 05:29.47 | Cairenn | exactly |
| 05:29.50 | Shirik | that would be mean to anyone that doesn't celebrate Christmas |
| 05:29.56 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:30.20 | Cairenn | also, I haven't a clue, but figured I'd throw that out there |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik | wtf quicken |
| 05:32.16 | Shirik | You know what the worst part of Quicken is? |
| 05:32.28 | kd3 | having to use it? |
| 05:32.39 | Shirik | When you enter in your checks, and then a month later you realize that it duplicated your transaction |
| 05:32.55 | Shirik | and so it's been reporting you have $900 less in your account than you actually od |
| 05:32.56 | Shirik | do |
| 05:33.34 | Shirik | and there is no indication of the duplicate |
| 05:34.01 | Shirik | kd3: I have to use Quicken or I will quickly lose track of what I'm spending and get out of control |
| 05:34.05 | Shirik | I have convinced myself of this fact |
| 05:34.16 | kd3 | why aren't you using your bank's website? my bank lets me set up a budget, track inflow/outflow, etc... |
| 05:34.23 | Cairenn | Better than having it report you have $900 -more- in your account than you do, leading to you suddenly discovering you're overdrawn. |
| 05:34.59 | Shirik | bank of america's site is awful |
| 05:37.22 | kd3 | http://kaydeethree.net/i/moneymap.png |
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| 05:38.22 | kd3 | for some reason it doesn't like me moving money to my savings account, which is why 26% of my 'expenses' are 'outgoing' transfers |
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| 05:39.46 | wereHamster | kd3: what is the difference between Other and Uncategorized? |
| 05:40.28 | kd3 | uncategorized is me using my target debit card (for 5% off and my employee discount) |
| 05:40.33 | Semlar0 | other is a category |
| 05:40.35 | kd3 | other is, well, everything else |
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| 05:58.31 | karl_w_w | am i some kind social retard who doesnt understand phone etiquette? |
| 05:59.14 | karl_w_w | because if i answer the phone and say "hello" I don't expect the other person to say "hi" and then just stop talking |
| 05:59.36 | karl_w_w | are they expecting me to say "how can i help you today" as if I'm a business? :P |
| 06:00.02 | kd3 | I have to make myself not say "Hi. Can I help you find something?" |
| 06:00.50 | kd3 | anyway, it's 1 am |
| 06:01.18 | karl_w_w | that was rather abrupt :P |
| 06:01.35 | wereHamster | wrong. It's 7am |
| 06:02.21 | karl_w_w | wrong, it's 2pm |
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| 06:03.24 | karl_w_w | hmm curse client gave me the auctioneer update |
| 06:03.31 | karl_w_w | it didnt last time! |
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| 06:05.31 | Shirik | kd3: You're a big lore buff, aren't you? |
| 06:05.52 | karl_w_w | ~asktoask |
| 06:05.52 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 06:05.55 | karl_w_w | zing |
| 06:06.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:06.05 | Shirik | ~factinfo asktoask |
| 06:06.05 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 06:06.05 | purl | asktoask -- created by Shirik <i=nospam@24.229.63.42.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net> at Wed Jul 18 00:33:40 2007 (1973 days); last modified at Sat Nov 19 00:09:30 2011 by dwc-!dwc@205.209.190.118; it has been requested 365 times, last by karl_w_w, 13s ago. |
| 06:06.27 | Shirik | 2007 |
| 06:06.28 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 06:06.56 | Shirik | Anyway, so I have this cosplayer friend |
| 06:07.16 | Shirik | I know her next costume will be a WoW character "slightly obscure" that wears mail |
| 06:07.59 | karl_w_w | a slightly obscure wow character that wears mail... hmmm |
| 06:08.28 | Shirik | hang on |
| 06:08.33 | Shirik | still getting all my facts in order |
| 06:08.44 | Shirik | there's also a time period |
| 06:08.48 | Shirik | I'm just trying not to butcher it |
| 06:09.33 | karl_w_w | a time period for a wow character? |
| 06:10.07 | Shirik | time period is like "around the time Sylvanas was still a High Elf" (was she a Blood Elf?) |
| 06:10.16 | Shirik | sure |
| 06:10.23 | Shirik | like a period of lore during which this could have happened, right? |
| 06:10.25 | karl_w_w | oh right so a warcraft character, not a wow character |
| 06:10.30 | Shirik | yes, sorry |
| 06:10.36 | Shirik | this is a lore character |
| 06:10.50 | karl_w_w | sylvanas was a night elf |
| 06:10.54 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:11.03 | Shirik | but anyway that time period is about right |
| 06:11.16 | Shirik | so we've come to the conclusion it must not be sylvanas because she's too prominent |
| 06:11.34 | Shirik | we also know she's not going to paint her skin or anything like that |
| 06:11.40 | Shirik | so it probably is a human/high elf/blood elf |
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| 06:12.09 | karl_w_w | i dont understand what we're trying to work out here :P |
| 06:12.16 | Shirik | who her costume is going to be |
| 06:12.20 | Shirik | that's about all the facts I have |
| 06:12.21 | karl_w_w | we're picking her a character? |
| 06:12.21 | Shirik | any ideas? |
| 06:12.25 | Shirik | no she already has it |
| 06:12.28 | Shirik | she just won't tell me who it is |
| 06:12.32 | karl_w_w | and we're guessing it |
| 06:12.33 | karl_w_w | i see |
| 06:13.07 | karl_w_w | and we're sure it's a mail wearer? |
| 06:13.10 | Shirik | any ideas of someone that might fit all of those criteria |
| 06:13.13 | Shirik | 100% it must be mail |
| 06:13.13 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 06:13.15 | Fisker | i like you |
| 06:13.20 | Shirik | that's the fact I am most sure of |
| 06:13.22 | Shirik | I like you too Fisker |
| 06:13.31 | karl_w_w | i guess it could be alleria |
| 06:13.43 | Shirik | who? |
| 06:13.51 | karl_w_w | sylvanas' sister |
| 06:14.33 | karl_w_w | i really cant think of a lot of mail wearers |
| 06:14.50 | karl_w_w | especially from sylvanas-was-not-dead time period |
| 06:15.11 | karl_w_w | thrall might be too prominent, no? :P |
| 06:15.59 | Shirik | I also don't think she's willing to cosplay as a male |
| 06:17.15 | Shirik | I guess Alleria could work |
| 06:17.33 | karl_w_w | might be too obscure though |
| 06:17.37 | Shirik | I actually was thinking Tyrande but she doesn't fit the whole Mail thing |
| 06:17.47 | karl_w_w | but i guess obscurity is in the eye of the non-beholder |
| 06:18.21 | Shirik | I know her other idea is Jaina but she thinks that the costume is almost identical to her last one, just with different colors, so she doesn't want to do that, and she really wants to work with mail |
| 06:20.19 | Shirik | I guess we could be all the way up to Black Temple timeframe |
| 06:20.23 | Shirik | that's a pretty wide range |
| 06:20.47 | Shirik | ah well |
| 06:20.50 | Shirik | thanks for the input |
| 06:21.01 | Shirik | that's a better guess than mine :P |
| 06:27.04 | karl_w_w | or shandris feathermoon |
| 06:30.48 | Shirik | ooo |
| 06:31.09 | Shirik | see SHE has a card. |
| 06:31.23 | Shirik | and a pretty important card |
| 06:31.31 | Shirik | I think you might have hit it there |
| 06:32.18 | karl_w_w | the thing is she doesnt have much cosplay potential |
| 06:34.54 | Thunder_Child | Or you could just wait and find out. |
| 06:34.58 | Shirik | no! |
| 06:35.02 | Shirik | there's no fun in that |
| 06:35.18 | karl_w_w | tc hates fun |
| 06:35.19 | Shirik | also Shandris has a pretty epic bow |
| 06:35.23 | Shirik | at least according to the card |
| 06:35.27 | Thunder_Child | patience is a virtue |
| 06:35.38 | Thunder_Child | Not fun karl_w_w, just you. |
| 06:35.55 | karl_w_w | haters gonna hate |
| 06:39.51 | Fisker | hugs Shirik |
| 06:42.10 | Shirik | the only problem I guess with Shandris is that she's a night elf |
| 06:42.20 | Shirik | and she wouldn't dye her skin |
| 06:42.27 | Shirik | but man that fits so well |
| 06:42.42 | Fisker | burps |
| 06:43.10 | Shirik | you should cosplay Fisker |
| 06:43.18 | Fisker | why? |
| 06:44.17 | Shirik | because |
| 06:44.24 | Shirik | that's what scandanavians do, right? |
| 06:44.30 | Fisker | i don't think so |
| 06:44.39 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:44.47 | Shirik | well I'm from America |
| 06:44.54 | Shirik | you should be proud that I know Scandanavia is a country |
| 06:49.48 | karl_w_w | scandanavia is not a country |
| 06:50.33 | nevcairiel | its also spelled Scandinavia |
| 06:51.50 | Shirik | for the record, I know scandinavia is not a country |
| 06:51.55 | Shirik | I did not, however, know how to spell it |
| 06:52.18 | nevcairiel | admitting to the lesser fail to get out of the big one? oldest trick in the book! |
| 06:53.20 | Shirik | Americans are not creative |
| 06:54.37 | Arazon | I beg your pardon |
| 06:54.55 | Arazon | Your usage of universal quantifiers are frowned upon in this establishment. |
| 06:56.37 | Shirik | http://www.amazon.com/dp/0987823914/ref=dra_a_sm_mr_hn_it_P1700_1000?tag=dradis-20 |
| 06:57.16 | Shirik | Arazon: That you believe America is equivalent to the universe is very American |
| 06:58.20 | Shirik | :< |
| 06:58.22 | Shirik | Wikipedia died |
| 06:58.36 | nevcairiel | good, they were bugging me with their yellow popouts anyway |
| 06:58.39 | Arazon | Shirik: That you believe universal quantifiers define relations on the entire universe is very much similar to what your concept of "American" is. |
| 06:58.49 | nevcairiel | why do they keep thinking of new annoying ways to annoy me |
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| 07:00.08 | bleeter | hmm starting to think that 'There is no loot' should be reported on the bad grammar page |
| 07:00.25 | bleeter | 'the loot is a lie' would be more accurate |
| 07:00.28 | Arazon | Your sentence was interpreted as "All Americans are not creative". That means, in the set of all Americans that currently exist, none of them have the property "creative". |
| 07:01.06 | Arazon | By hypothesizing on the entire set of existing Americans, you used a generalized property with a universal quantifier. |
| 07:01.25 | Shirik | If you want to actually argue this |
| 07:01.46 | bleeter | can't we argue about useful stuff, like why tailors don't get tailoring bags?! |
| 07:01.52 | Arazon | I don't actually. I agree, for the most part, Americans are not creative. |
| 07:01.59 | Arazon | But not all of them. |
| 07:02.08 | karl_w_w | http://dicksmith.com.au/product/E6733/virgin-huawei-g6600-pre-paid-mobile-phone you can buy mobile phones for $9? o.O |
| 07:02.09 | Shirik | bleeter: Because all professions I have are automatically not useful |
| 07:02.23 | Arazon | That's why I stated that your usage of the universal quantifier was "frowned upon". |
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| 07:03.36 | bleeter | Shirik: fair call. way I see it, thought, a tailoring bag would be the ultimate in not useful |
| 07:03.39 | bleeter | i mean |
| 07:03.46 | Shirik | what? |
| 07:03.47 | bleeter | what would one store in it? |
| 07:03.50 | Shirik | CLOTH |
| 07:03.56 | bleeter | *mats to make more tailoring bags* |
| 07:04.00 | Shirik | omg |
| 07:04.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:04.07 | Shirik | and you could create INFINITE TAILORING BAGS |
| 07:04.11 | bleeter | bags all the way down |
| 07:04.24 | Arazon | But if you do wish to continue to argue your point, please bring a definition of "creative", a definition of "American", and a properly constructed hypothesis to prove. |
| 07:04.47 | Shirik | Arazon: Why are you still talking |
| 07:04.58 | Shirik | bleeter: What I never understood is why cloth actually takes up so much space |
| 07:05.02 | bleeter | Shirik: an infinity of not useful sure sounds good to me |
| 07:05.09 | Shirik | I mean that's like saying a piece of paper is the same size as a bric |
| 07:05.09 | Shirik | k |
| 07:05.16 | Arazon | because I have a 13 page study guide to complete for a OOP design patterns final tomorrow and I'm bored shitless |
| 07:05.26 | Shirik | Let me help you |
| 07:05.44 | Arazon | Really? |
| 07:05.50 | bleeter | also |
| 07:06.06 | bleeter | why don't the five fish in the offhand show properly? |
| 07:06.14 | Shirik | Singleton is the worst pattern ever invented. Most others you will never need to memorize. If you agree to the two preceding sentences you are already better than 80% of candidates I interview. |
| 07:06.33 | bleeter | I get that blizz won't let us chant fish a stack of fish... or any fish. FINE. just show the things properly! |
| 07:06.45 | Arazon | I've implemented the Strategy and Adapter design patterns quite frequently :-S |
| 07:07.00 | bleeter | mmm think I got a stray fish in that sentence |
| 07:07.21 | Shirik | There is an extreme difference between implementing something and remembering something |
| 07:07.24 | karl_w_w | needs more fish |
| 07:07.33 | Shirik | 90% of useful patterns you could come up with on your own after having been exposed to the concept behind them |
| 07:07.54 | Shirik | the important part is knowing "that way of thinking" |
| 07:08.06 | Shirik | The problem with software development is it has NOTHING to do with programming |
| 07:08.14 | Shirik | it has everything to do with learning how to think in that way |
| 07:08.17 | Shirik | and that is not something a school can teach you |
| 07:08.21 | bleeter | and what's with only being able to hit people with fish if they're in the offhand? |
| 07:08.27 | Arazon | That's unfortunate. Where do you work? |
| 07:08.29 | bleeter | runs off to check the tape of the fish slapping dance |
| 07:08.34 | Shirik | Boeing |
| 07:08.57 | Arazon | Ah, some friends of mine work in a local branch of Boeing |
| 07:09.00 | karl_w_w | you spelt boing wrong |
| 07:09.07 | Shirik | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 07:09.07 | purl | forces karl_w_w to use Outlook Express |
| 07:09.11 | Shirik | OW |
| 07:09.18 | Shirik | I haven't seen that one before, but ow |
| 07:09.26 | Arazon | Oh wow purl that was just unneccesary |
| 07:09.45 | karl_w_w | i've never used it before |
| 07:09.53 | Semlar0 | purl is a cruel mistress |
| 07:10.00 | bleeter | word |
| 07:10.04 | karl_w_w | beyond closing it when you accidentally clicked a mailto link |
| 07:10.25 | Shirik | I've noticed gmail has gotten its hands in taking over the mailto links |
| 07:10.31 | Shirik | I wasn't even aware that was possible |
| 07:10.50 | karl_w_w | probably requires chrome or an addon |
| 07:10.52 | Arazon | If you use Chrome, I think the browser handles it |
| 07:10.54 | Shirik | maybe |
| 07:10.58 | Shirik | I guess that makes sense |
| 07:11.10 | Arazon | When did the large migration to Chrome happen, btw? |
| 07:11.42 | Shirik | when people realized that both IE and Firefox were crap? |
| 07:12.08 | Arazon | Well I know that but when did firefox get so bloated? It used to be THE browser. |
| 07:12.20 | Thunder_Child | It has always had a memory leak |
| 07:12.26 | Shirik | I think what happened was Chrome came out |
| 07:12.36 | Shirik | and people went "woah, it's possible to be THIS fast?" |
| 07:12.46 | Shirik | because before then, you just had Firefox, which was the best you could get |
| 07:12.49 | Shirik | and you didn't know any better |
| 07:12.59 | Shirik | Kinda like before I had glasses, I didn't know my vision was bad because I didn't have anything to compare it to |
| 07:13.07 | Shirik | and now I take off my glasses and I'm like "wtf is that" |
| 07:13.16 | durcyn | "it's 2005, shouldn't I be running this pile of fucking hot garbage netscape codebase anymore?" |
| 07:13.59 | Shirik | I semi-want to take Firefox, replace all instances of "Firefox" and its logo with Netscape's, and then release it as Netscape 10.0 or whatever |
| 07:14.04 | bleeter | 'no it's 2012 you should run this pile of google garbage code instead' |
| 07:14.05 | Shirik | just as a psychological experiment |
| 07:14.21 | Shirik | To see how many negative reactions there are compared to Firefox |
| 07:14.42 | karl_w_w | netscape was boss |
| 07:14.54 | Arazon | Telnet was boss |
| 07:14.58 | Arazon | >.> |
| 07:15.23 | bleeter | telnet(1)? |
| 07:15.38 | Shirik | real men ssh into the target server and open up lynx on http://localhost |
| 07:15.46 | End_ | to me it seemd that firefox's earlier releases felt faster than their later releases |
| 07:15.56 | bleeter | real mean don't ssh |
| 07:16.00 | End_ | but part of that might be caused by more complicated javascript |
| 07:16.04 | bleeter | oh crap, the secret's out Shirik! |
| 07:16.35 | Arazon | Shirik, is your organization currently hiring? Just curious |
| 07:17.04 | bleeter | actually, wasn't there an aeroplane company recently that let folks telnet into their engine management or something? |
| 07:17.21 | Shirik | my group? I think we have a couple positions open, but not on my team per se. As far as the company as a whole I don't track that much |
| 07:17.23 | karl_w_w | http://memegenerator.net/instance/31667655 |
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| 07:20.06 | Shirik | the whole hiring structure at Boeing is kinda screwed in my opinion |
| 07:20.17 | Arazon | Why do you think that? |
| 07:20.21 | Shirik | there's so many layers you have to go through before it even gets to someone with the technical knowledge to actually make a meaningful decision |
| 07:20.32 | Arazon | That's unfortunate |
| 07:20.36 | Shirik | like HR doesn't know anything about software development |
| 07:20.43 | Shirik | but they get to make the first cut because they know better! |
| 07:21.00 | Shirik | I think this is true of a lot of companies |
| 07:21.22 | karl_w_w | the role of HR in any company is simple |
| 07:21.32 | karl_w_w | it's to stop the employees suing the company |
| 07:21.48 | Arazon | I had an interview last friday for an internship, I was interviewd directly by the guy whose team I would be put on, and 3 developers of closely related, but seperate teams |
| 07:22.25 | Arazon | It was my first interview for a software development position....ever >.^ |
| 07:23.02 | Shirik | yeah we usually have a panel. For an internship we'd just do one interview with about 3 people, usually a couple of team leads |
| 07:23.11 | Shirik | For a full-time position you're basically looking at 8 hours of interviews |
| 07:23.40 | Shirik | I think we're looking for interns though if that's what you're looking for |
| 07:23.56 | bleeter | ah, here it is. using telnet to talk to engine management because ssh broke menus. http://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/16696-FACT-CHECK-SCADA-Systems-Are-Online-Now.html |
| 07:24.13 | bleeter | lulz |
| 07:24.16 | Shirik | This is the group I work for: https://interncareers-insitu.icims.com/jobs/intro?hashed=0 |
| 07:24.34 | nevcairiel | they look weird |
| 07:25.05 | Shirik | hm maybe they haven't posted the summer 2013 yet |
| 07:25.41 | Arazon | I see the winter 2013 up |
| 07:26.23 | Shirik | I think that means like Jan-Mar area |
| 07:26.31 | Shirik | because we definitely haven't even interviewed for Summer 2013 yet |
| 07:26.44 | Arazon | What are some of the proficiencies you guys are looking for in an intern? |
| 07:27.27 | Shirik | so we have enough different teams that we don't particularly care about what you can or can't do; we would rather help you figure out what you like to do |
| 07:27.49 | Arazon | Whoa o.O |
| 07:27.50 | Shirik | we touch everything from embedded code to code generators to UI development |
| 07:27.55 | Shirik | so |
| 07:28.19 | Shirik | I mean we still want you to be able to contribute, and so you need to have a general competence of development |
| 07:28.24 | Shirik | but pretty much anyone in this channel would qualify |
| 07:28.33 | Shirik | Important to me is willingness to follow software process |
| 07:28.46 | Shirik | but you don't actually need to know any process |
| 07:29.26 | Shirik | I truly believe that internships are the best way to actually learn your job |
| 07:29.41 | Shirik | real-world experience is very important |
| 07:29.51 | Shirik | I learned a hell of a lot more from my internships than I ever did at school |
| 07:31.12 | Arazon | How many students typically apply? |
| 07:31.53 | Shirik | I have no data to base that answer on; I don't get to see resumes until they've passed through several gates |
| 07:32.47 | Shirik | By the time they get to me we probably take about 30% of those, but how many were cut before that I don't know |
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| 07:33.44 | Shirik | If this is your first internship, I would recommend applying to a lot. Not because I don't think you'll get them, but rather because the worst that can happen is you get multiple offers and have to pick. |
| 07:36.25 | karl_w_w | ok, worked out 1 christmas present |
| 07:36.30 | Arazon | I've applied to about 5 so far, my school has a system set up to allow for organizations in the area to post openings on a special site just for students and alumni of the university im attending |
| 07:36.34 | karl_w_w | 3 to go |
| 07:40.42 | Fisker | The URI is encrypted with HTTPS as well right? |
| 07:41.57 | haste | so early karl_w_w |
| 07:42.30 | karl_w_w | last year i had everything worked out by now |
| 07:42.46 | karl_w_w | but nobody needs anything this year |
| 07:44.07 | Arazon | I got my girl a nice dragon earring |
| 07:44.24 | Arazon | I think I'm good on christmas presents this year |
| 07:44.49 | durcyn | yes fisker, that's why ssl virtual hosting was impossible until SNI |
| 07:45.01 | Arazon | brb, polar bears |
| 07:45.13 | Fisker | ah ok durcyn |
| 07:45.17 | Fisker | haven't had any experience with that :P |
| 07:45.48 | durcyn | don't worry, they can't see your https porn without a forged certificate, which is easy enough these days |
| 07:45.57 | Fisker | just found out that a company i deal with it has absolutely no security of any kind |
| 07:46.06 | Fisker | except on payments (which is to expect i guess) |
| 07:46.32 | Fisker | But both logins, personal information, and even bank details and other personal information can be obtained because they don't use any form of encryption on it :( |
| 07:46.51 | Fisker | so i wrote angry e-mail |
| 07:46.53 | Fisker | rawr me mad |
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| 07:48.37 | durcyn | you act like everyone in the world is sniffing your packets |
| 07:48.52 | Fisker | nah durcyn |
| 07:49.04 | durcyn | well, they are |
| 07:49.35 | Fisker | i hate dumb security |
| 07:49.43 | Fisker | it's like phoning up because your lost your password |
| 07:49.49 | Fisker | and the lady at the other end tells you your password |
| 07:49.54 | Fisker | makes me wanna punch someone |
| 07:50.31 | Arazon | Wow |
| 07:50.42 | Arazon | Someone needs to hire some white hats stat |
| 07:51.37 | bleeter | easiest way to deal with that kinda foo is document it all, send it off to VISA/Mastercard etc. and get the company taken off the banking system until they fix their shit |
| 07:51.45 | bleeter | s/easiest/best/ |
| 07:52.02 | bleeter | it's the sorta lesson middle management and execs tend to not forget in a hurry >< |
| 07:52.22 | Fisker | i think that only applies when the payment security itself is compromised |
| 07:52.34 | Fisker | besides i found a company like that last year |
| 07:52.39 | Fisker | i told their payment provider |
| 07:52.41 | Fisker | "Not our problem" |
| 07:52.46 | Fisker | D: |
| 07:52.48 | bleeter | sorta depends on jurisdiction, too |
| 07:53.08 | Cairenn | random link out of the blue: http://www.quotefully.com/movie/Mass+Effect+2/Captain+Bailey |
| 07:53.38 | karl_w_w | farkin |
| 07:54.01 | bleeter | Fisker: no disclosure laws where you are either? |
| 07:54.04 | karl_w_w | found the perfect gift for sum1 but i missed the delivery deadline and i dont think they have a brick n mortar store |
| 07:54.10 | Fisker | idk bleeter |
| 07:54.57 | Fisker | after we had contacted the payment provider and they basically told us to fuck off we just posted pictures of (fake) credit card details sniffed with fiddler on their various social media sites. |
| 07:55.03 | Fisker | then next day it was fixed |
| 07:56.01 | Fisker | their customer support or whatever had also been stonewalling us for a week or so |
| 07:56.12 | Fisker | repeatedly saying that it was sent to a secure site |
| 07:56.17 | Fisker | which was technically true |
| 07:56.31 | Fisker | but when you pass them insecurely to a secure site it stops being relevant |
| 07:56.35 | haste | I got a new computer before I got my nexus 4 Fisker |
| 07:56.53 | Fisker | basically they had an insecure http site which took the payment details and entered it into the secure payment system |
| 07:57.15 | Fisker | cool haste |
| 07:58.37 | karl_w_w | hmm her birthday is 20th jan so i might order it anyway and see if it gets here for christmas |
| 08:00.39 | Fisker | why do you refer to your mom as "sum1"? |
| 08:00.43 | haste | Errors found. |
| 08:00.47 | haste | Unsupported cases found. |
| 08:00.50 | haste | lovely! |
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| 08:03.45 | karl_w_w | wtf happened to the search options on the left side of google? |
| 08:03.57 | karl_w_w | now it's all in a multi-click menu at the top |
| 08:04.04 | karl_w_w | and the space on the left is blank |
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| 08:04.23 | karl_w_w | style over function much? |
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| 08:13.46 | Fisker | so haste |
| 08:14.00 | karl_w_w | Standard Delivery (5 Days): $9,742.50 |
| 08:14.01 | karl_w_w | Express Post Delivery (1 Day): $39,435.00 |
| 08:14.01 | karl_w_w | Pick up from our Gold Coast store: $0.00 |
| 08:14.05 | Fisker | so a reasonable timeframe to fixitfixitfixit is one day don't you agree? :3 |
| 08:14.24 | bleeter | lol |
| 08:14.39 | bleeter | karl_w_w: you getting that sent to Mildura? |
| 08:14.47 | karl_w_w | hahah |
| 08:15.19 | bleeter | what shits me the most about that victorian police warning about apple maps |
| 08:15.47 | bleeter | is that in enAU, I see 'Whoopwhoop' and 'Back of Bourke' being replaced with boring old 'Mildura' :( |
| 08:16.57 | zenzio | people blindly trusting GPS is bad anyway |
| 08:17.34 | zenzio | or more specifically, navigation by just GPS |
| 08:17.37 | karl_w_w | gps sending you into the wilderness isn't good thing either |
| 08:17.59 | bleeter | it's notsomuch following blindly |
| 08:18.18 | bleeter | it was that by the time it became obvious the map was in error, turning around and getting out was not really an option |
| 08:18.25 | bleeter | ... in a roundabout way |
| 08:18.48 | karl_w_w | yes as i understand it, it starts out seeming like a normal road |
| 08:19.03 | karl_w_w | and just gradually becomes a sand pit |
| 08:19.15 | bleeter | which people hit at dusk |
| 08:19.37 | karl_w_w | when the morlocks come out |
| 08:19.40 | bleeter | 'we'll make mildura for dinner time tonight!' kinda planning is the problem here |
| 08:19.49 | bleeter | karl_w_w: drop bears |
| 08:20.27 | bleeter | yes, the apple maps screwup wouldn't really be an issue if it weren't for the drop bears hence the police warnings about apple maps |
| 08:20.38 | bleeter | but try and tell people from other countries this and they won't believe you |
| 08:20.42 | bleeter | morons |
| 08:22.50 | bleeter | anyway, civilised society navigates by pub so maybe we should just let these folks collect their Darwin nomination form on the way... |
| 08:23.50 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 08:23.50 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 08:26.11 | karl_w_w | and no, not sent to mildura, just perth |
| 08:26.36 | zenzio | aren't they about as bad? |
| 08:27.05 | karl_w_w | Standard Delivery (4 Days): $9,292.50 |
| 08:27.05 | karl_w_w | Express Post Delivery (1 Day): $21,735.00 |
| 08:27.11 | karl_w_w | that one is the price to mildura |
| 08:27.19 | karl_w_w | a bargin! |
| 08:27.25 | Semlar | seems reasonable |
| 08:27.45 | Semlar | is mildura on mars? |
| 08:28.24 | karl_w_w | that would be cheap to send something to mars |
| 08:28.38 | Semlar | i know a guy |
| 08:28.42 | Arazon | You could get Jackie Gleason to send it to the moon for free |
| 08:28.45 | karl_w_w | i dont think there is a possible location to send something which would make that price reasonable |
| 08:28.51 | karl_w_w | maybe the south pole? |
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| 08:30.30 | Semlar | wouldn't i have to ship it to the south pole first |
| 08:31.10 | Semlar | it seems farther away than australia |
| 08:32.38 | karl_w_w | the beauty is it's free shipping if you spend over $100 |
| 08:32.55 | karl_w_w | so you could buy $9000 worth of stuff and you'd still be saving money! |
| 08:33.38 | Semlar | i was wrong, the south pole is closer than australia |
| 08:34.06 | karl_w_w | harder to make deliveries to though |
| 08:34.15 | karl_w_w | they should build a tunnel to the south pole |
| 08:34.28 | karl_w_w | can you imagine the tourism! :P |
| 08:34.43 | Semlar | seems a bit far to walk |
| 08:34.43 | durcyn | plate tectonics be damned, let's remake total recall too! |
| 08:35.13 | karl_w_w | i didnt say underground tunnel :P |
| 08:36.07 | Semlar | it would be more direct |
| 08:36.39 | Semlar | you could probably just jump in and fall out the other side |
| 08:36.47 | karl_w_w | nah i changed my mind, they should just build an elevator into space, that's an original idea |
| 08:37.04 | zenzio | not really |
| 08:37.05 | durcyn | who are "they" in your fantasy? |
| 08:37.10 | zenzio | it's an idea that's been around for a long time |
| 08:37.15 | zenzio | and is seriously considered |
| 08:37.17 | karl_w_w | the people who build things |
| 08:37.20 | Semlar | i'm not sure i could stand listening to elevator music for the amount of time it would take to get to space |
| 08:37.39 | karl_w_w | i know that zenzio :P |
| 08:37.55 | durcyn | and the last i saw, with our current ability to shield any vessel on a space elevator, you'd be sterile/dead before you made it through the ionosphere |
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| 08:39.17 | zenzio | my hope is that we'll soon have space elevators like those described in the Night's Dawn trilogy |
| 08:39.31 | durcyn | http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/cannon-shooting-supplies-space could be fun though. think of how many politicians you could fit in a launch vehicle |
| 08:39.47 | Semlar | read that as cannon shooting puppies into space |
| 08:40.05 | karl_w_w | me too |
| 08:40.18 | Semlar | i guess we see what we want to see.. |
| 08:40.47 | karl_w_w | when i click it, page not found |
| 08:41.13 | durcyn | http://quicklaunchinc.com/ maybe? |
| 08:41.17 | Semlar | it's there |
| 08:41.33 | Semlar | just less interesting than it ought to be |
| 08:41.33 | karl_w_w | weird |
| 08:42.07 | Semlar | they don't mention puppies anywhere |
| 08:43.26 | pompy | http://gamerant.com/valve-console-steam-box-confirmed/ |
| 08:46.41 | karl_w_w | ! |
| 08:48.17 | karl_w_w | 10 hour maintenance :( |
| 08:50.06 | sintAcks | why the hell are they doing maintence 3 hours early |
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| 08:50.52 | Semlar | to keep you on your toes |
| 08:50.57 | Kalroth | its the new expansion, they're preparing for it |
| 08:54.01 | karl_w_w | people really shouldnt spam anal when they have a reportable character name |
| 08:54.06 | karl_w_w | cos i will report both |
| 08:54.24 | Kalroth | what's wrong with spamming anal? |
| 08:55.06 | stuf | Anal Deep Into Deepholm |
| 08:55.23 | Semlar | it offends karl's delicate sensibilities |
| 08:56.24 | karl_w_w | anal http://www.wowhead.com/item=22150 |
| 08:56.43 | stuf | that's a new one |
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| 09:04.06 | raffy_ | is there a fast way i can check for a buff by spell id? |
| 09:04.26 | Semlar | you can loop through the auras and compare their ids |
| 09:04.38 | raffy_ | :X |
| 09:04.53 | nevcairiel | you can also get the name from the spellid and check if a buff of that name exists |
| 09:05.12 | raffy_ | the spell name is duplicated (silly blizzard) |
| 09:05.37 | raffy_ | dat loop it is |
| 09:05.55 | raffy_ | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108381 http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108382 |
| 09:07.06 | nevcairiel | but you can never have both buffs at the same time, can you? |
| 09:07.20 | raffy_ | ya often you have both |
| 09:07.28 | nevcairiel | hm yeah i guess you can |
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| 09:07.56 | nevcairiel | then you have to loop |
| 09:08.12 | Semlar | you can filter it |
| 09:08.31 | Semlar | if you're only looking for buffs cast by the player or something |
| 09:08.38 | nevcairiel | its a talent proc |
| 09:08.43 | nevcairiel | no filter can split the twoi |
| 09:08.45 | nevcairiel | -i |
| 09:08.52 | raffy_ | ya player|cancelable might help |
| 09:09.15 | raffy_ | how does the filter work with indexing |
| 09:09.49 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you just loop from 1 until it stops returning any values |
| 09:09.56 | raffy_ | 1 = first thing that matches the filter? 2 = second thing? (that seems strange to compute) |
| 09:10.55 | nevcairiel | thats how it works |
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| 09:11.26 | raffy_ | ok |
| 09:11.38 | raffy_ | ill try testing by name, and then if it exists, zerging through 1 by 1 |
| 09:12.08 | Semlar | it's not going to be very slow to loop through the buffs |
| 09:12.33 | Semlar | i do it for every aura on every unit in the raid on UNIT_AURA in one of my addons |
| 09:12.40 | raffy_ | im modifying someone elses mod and sticking something at a silly spot |
| 09:13.00 | raffy_ | ok thats good to know |
| 09:13.17 | Semlar | i wouldn't bother checking by name first |
| 09:13.24 | Semlar | i think it would be slower |
| 09:13.48 | raffy_ | ok |
| 09:13.54 | Semlar | i guess it depends on how often you're calling it |
| 09:14.28 | raffy_ | some action button update hook but i guess its just for 1 button |
| 09:14.40 | raffy_ | so yeah ill just do the loop |
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| 09:14.58 | raffy_ | thanks |
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| 09:18.14 | Semlar | something like this http://pastebin.com/EgpVNtDy |
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| 09:20.08 | raffy_ | blizz sure is taking their sweet time with item upgrade api stuff |
| 09:22.58 | Semlar | if you're just tracking the application you could use the combat log |
| 09:25.40 | Fisker | why are you upset raffy_ ? |
| 09:26.15 | raffy_ | id like to be able to import correct armory data |
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| 10:00.39 | karl_w_w | there's too much charity in the world, I like band aid's idea |
| 10:00.47 | karl_w_w | only feed them at christmas time |
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| 10:15.35 | Adys | Why do I have 65 achievement points more than my guild roster says I do? I have no alts with achievements |
| 10:18.24 | Kalroth | owned |
| 10:18.37 | Kalroth | maybe its a rounding error? you got 4300.2 raiding points |
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| 10:46.43 | Adys | finally |
| 10:46.47 | Adys | exaled shieldwall |
| 10:46.50 | Adys | exalted even |
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| 11:07.54 | Xandr | Gz Adys. I hit exalted a few minutes ago too :) |
| 11:08.14 | Adys | id have hit it yesterday but i forgot to buy the commendation for the first 1k |
| 11:08.28 | Kalroth | nerds, you play computar games!! |
| 11:11.24 | Xandr | Now to get Chi-Ji dailies one more time and have the 2 missing NPCs for One Many Army spawn… |
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| 11:15.55 | Adys | Xandr: exact same here |
| 11:16.01 | Adys | except i just need huo-shuan |
| 11:19.49 | Adys | Xandr: the gryphon is beautiful |
| 11:23.37 | Adys | wtf |
| 11:23.46 | Adys | i get the heavy sack of gold (3000 gold) |
| 11:23.53 | Adys | loot it, i get the ach for 50k gold looted |
| 11:24.03 | Adys | i track the 100k gold one and Im now at 54663g looted |
| 11:24.07 | Adys | math wru |
| 11:25.03 | zenzio | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/RvEoE.jpg |
| 11:25.07 | nevcairiel | sometimes achievements trigger a bit late |
| 11:25.26 | zenzio | clearly your bag contained ~4670 gold |
| 11:31.08 | Xandr | Nah, apparently the 50k achievement is still character-specific whereas the 100k counts looted from all characters on the account. |
| 11:33.58 | zenzio | o_O |
| 11:34.08 | zenzio | so you could get 100k without having 50k? |
| 11:35.18 | Xandr | Not sure if that would work, but it might be possible to get the 50k and the 100k right after. |
| 11:38.17 | karl_w_w | so adys only has a couple of thousand looted on all his other toons? |
| 11:38.51 | Adys | zenzio: no |
| 11:38.58 | Adys | I had 49/50k |
| 11:39.01 | Adys | I loot 3k |
| 11:39.06 | Adys | I now have 54/100k |
| 11:39.21 | Adys | but what Xandr said might make sense |
| 11:39.41 | Adys | and yes karl_w_w I do fuck all on alts |
| 11:40.50 | Xandr | It's the same for the Valor Point achievements. I got the 50k on 11/20, I'm now on 56625/100000 for the 100k - It's impossible to get 6625 vp in the time between 11/20 and now. |
| 11:41.13 | Xandr | (On one character that is) |
| 11:41.30 | Adys | mechanical > beast right? |
| 11:41.35 | Xandr | Yep |
| 11:41.46 | Adys | sweet |
| 11:41.50 | Adys | my highest mech is 3. |
| 11:43.09 | Xandr | The highest you can capture is a 17 from Winterspring I think. |
| 11:43.17 | Adys | what pet is that? |
| 11:43.59 | Xandr | Rabit Nut Varmint 5000, Robo Chick, Anodized Robo Cub |
| 11:45.30 | Adys | thanks |
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| 11:55.25 | Zootfizzle | Moo. Are you happy now? |
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| 12:23.13 | Fisker | damn bleeter :O |
| 12:23.18 | Fisker | fixed in <5 hours |
| 12:25.42 | Zootfizzle | How many Fiskers does it take to bleet a bleeter? |
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| 12:46.34 | karl_w_w | Zootfizzle: attempt to divide by zero |
| 12:47.25 | Zootfizzle | Why doesn't dividing by zero result in infinity? |
| 12:49.14 | karl_w_w | because infinity isn't a real number |
| 12:49.22 | Kalroth | It'd make more sense to result in the original number; 34/0 = 34! |
| 12:49.34 | karl_w_w | Kalroth silly |
| 12:49.41 | karl_w_w | 34/0 is not 34 factorial |
| 12:49.54 | Kalroth | 34 is though |
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| 12:50.31 | Zootfizzle | Kalroth, I disagree |
| 12:50.54 | Kalroth | thats okay |
| 12:51.59 | karl_w_w | what's everyone's favourite christmas song? |
| 12:52.11 | Kalroth | wham last christmas |
| 12:52.18 | karl_w_w | really? :D |
| 12:52.27 | Kalroth | no, i hate christmas songs |
| 12:52.57 | Zootfizzle | I think 34/0 is 3.22405838x10^35 |
| 12:53.04 | karl_w_w | well naturally, favourite == least hated |
| 12:53.07 | Zootfizzle | Or something |
| 12:54.20 | Kalroth | i hate them all equally |
| 12:55.12 | Zootfizzle | dHateForWhiteChristmas=dHateForJingleBells |
| 12:57.00 | Zootfizzle | Differential caroling |
| 12:57.44 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoxQ4Ul_DME |
| 12:58.00 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 13:01.54 | Kalroth | karl_w_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRkgq4QTR9Q |
| 13:03.00 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIvTjrxxz9w ! |
| 13:03.10 | karl_w_w | it's a christmas song cos it says christmas in the title |
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| 13:08.19 | zenzio | I'm ecstatic that I've not yet heard "Last christmas" this year |
| 13:08.54 | Kalroth | zenzio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI |
| 13:09.08 | zenzio | as if I'm opening youtube links after that statement |
| 13:09.14 | Kalroth | lol |
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| 13:10.18 | nevcairiel | fortunately, this video is not available in Germany |
| 13:10.22 | nevcairiel | youtube saved me! |
| 13:10.40 | nevcairiel | and i cheated and left out the "Un" when copy pasting :P |
| 13:14.26 | bluspacecow | de wa ? |
| 13:16.54 | Kalroth | desu? |
| 13:18.02 | bluspacecow | i am wondering what nevcairiel means by leaving the "Un" part out. like saying theres a way of making youtube play videos when it says its not avaliable in your country. other then using a tunneling service or w/e |
| 13:18.43 | Kalroth | there is |
| 13:19.28 | Kalroth | i bet http://www.youtube.com/v/E8gmARGvPlI works for nev |
| 13:20.00 | Zootfizzle | MY EYES |
| 13:20.03 | Zootfizzle | THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING |
| 13:20.06 | Kalroth | :D |
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| 13:23.36 | zenzio | speaking of goggles, ohai peppy |
| 13:23.45 | Lopeppeppy | Heyla, good morning to you. |
| 13:23.47 | bluspacecow | peppy! |
| 13:23.50 | bluspacecow | ohhaiyo |
| 13:23.52 | mikma | teh googles |
| 13:25.04 | Lopeppeppy | Googles, goggles, giggles, what-ev-er. |
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| 13:31.00 | Zootfizzle | Peppy! |
| 13:31.04 | Zootfizzle | Herro :) |
| 13:31.06 | Zootfizzle | *hugs* |
| 13:31.24 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, bright and perky. Don't you have a hot date with your pillow? *hug* |
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| 13:31.38 | SuperPortia|roam | Morning all |
| 13:32.09 | Zootfizzle | Yeah I was just arguing with my iPhone |
| 13:32.19 | Zootfizzle | Thanks for reminding me I need to go to sleep! |
| 13:32.47 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss kiss love love, g'night. |
| 13:32.59 | bluspacecow | *naps with Zoot|zZz* |
| 13:38.39 | karl_w_w | peppy! |
| 13:38.53 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:38.57 | karl_w_w | we're not discussing our favourite christmas songs, what's yours? |
| 13:39.39 | Lopeppeppy | 'Christmas Rapping' by The Waitresses |
| 13:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe there's a W in there. It's not a rap song, after all. |
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| 13:41.42 | Lopeppeppy | You also can't go wrong with Karen Carpenter on the drums. |
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| 13:53.35 | zenzio | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Observation_angle_retroreflector.PNG -- pictures that have ambiguous interpretations without their title |
| 13:55.45 | alestane | Ah, that song. And it does indeed have a W. |
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| 14:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh you forgot cranberry too? |
| 14:05.05 | alestane | Cranberry what? |
| 14:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | That's a line from the song, silly otter. |
| 14:05.26 | mikma | zombie |
| 14:05.35 | bluspacecow | oh rlu |
| 14:07.45 | alestane | zenzio, I think they're showing how what the driver sees originates lower than the reflector, but it looks more like the bike is towing a car. |
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| 14:12.52 | zenzio | alestane: I'm perfectly aware of what it's supposed to show, I clicked my way there from the wikipedia page :-) I am just easily amused by ambiguous pictures |
| 14:18.23 | Lopeppeppy | I like that the biker's ASS is towing the car. Not his bike. His butt. |
| 14:18.47 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. I looked again. It's his bike seat. Much less fun. |
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| 14:24.17 | alestane | Actually, the first thing I saw was a biker in danger of being skewered by a car with some strange pointy framework attached. |
| 14:25.00 | zenzio | the new, fancy bike catcher contraption |
| 14:25.02 | Lopeppeppy | Ramming speed! |
| 14:26.21 | alestane | Or there's this lovely sign, open to reinterpretation: http://cari373.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/w8-524x24slipperywhenwetsymbol.jpg |
| 14:26.28 | alestane | "Watch out for snakes chasing your car!" |
| 14:26.41 | zenzio | hehe |
| 14:27.01 | zenzio | look out for punks or reckless drivers |
| 14:27.17 | Lopeppeppy | Please feel welcome to lay rubber here. |
| 14:27.25 | bluspacecow | oh snap snakes gonna get ya |
| 14:28.26 | Arazon | http://imgur.com/6JxuF There ya go, Lopeppeppy. |
| 14:28.45 | bluspacecow | *giggle* |
| 14:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah! Much nicer! |
| 14:31.26 | SuperPortia|roam | Maybe it's spider webs or something |
| 14:31.51 | SuperPortia|roam | See now he's just a mutant spider-man who shoots out his webbing from an appropriate place. |
| 14:31.53 | Lopeppeppy | Spider man shoots webs from his backside? That's much more realistic! |
| 14:33.43 | Arazon | That seems like a rather distasteful party trick, but I can see Spiderman doing that to pick up chicks. "Hey ladies, wanna see something cool? I can fart spiderwebs." |
| 14:33.43 | Arazon | Ugh....what if he has diarrhea? |
| 14:33.49 | Arazon | That would be an unpleasant experience |
| 14:34.17 | zenzio | clearly it's a picture from a bachelor party |
| 14:36.30 | bluspacecow | http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20121205 |
| 14:36.33 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 14:38.04 | Arazon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.04 | Arazon | No....just...just no... |
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| 14:51.14 | bluspacecow | http://pvponline.com/comic/2012/11/30/sweet-ride |
| 14:52.00 | Lopeppeppy | Epic Ride from Craigslist. |
| 14:56.58 | Arazon | lol |
| 14:57.13 | zenzio | http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-10-nintendo-explains-crazy-wii-u-eshop-restrictions |
| 14:57.16 | Arazon | that last one was funny as hell bluespacecow |
| 15:05.03 | Arazon | Just watched Assasins creed 3 trailer...OMG I WANT IT |
| 15:05.10 | karl_w_w | so get it |
| 15:05.27 | chiel | haven't seen the trailer yet |
| 15:05.29 | Arazon | it's out? |
| 15:05.39 | chiel | i really enjoyed all the previous AC games |
| 15:06.30 | karl_w_w | wow all this new stuff on steam called Uninitialized |
| 15:06.37 | karl_w_w | is this the big new thing? |
| 15:09.07 | karl_w_w | lua> random(5) |
| 15:09.08 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'random' (a nil value) |
| 15:09.18 | karl_w_w | lua> math.random(5) |
| 15:09.18 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: 4 |
| 15:10.33 | mikma | have fun with math.random |
| 15:10.46 | karl_w_w | I just did |
| 15:10.54 | mikma | it's like: math.random(5) -> 4, 4, 4, 4, 4.... |
| 15:10.54 | karl_w_w | I have a semi already |
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| 15:20.48 | alestane | AC# is certainly out, Arazon, a friend of mine finished it last week. |
| 15:20.59 | Jitta | how do I change the font color of a CreateFrame("BUTTON") ? |
| 15:21.04 | mikma | AC hashtag |
| 15:21.19 | alestane | Have you ever gone through the Blood Elf female flirts/sillies, Lopeppeppy? |
| 15:21.32 | alestane | Yes yes, I held Shift too long. |
| 15:21.34 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, I've only ever played a BE male. |
| 15:21.51 | alestane | "Normally I only ride *epic* mounts ..... ....let's talk." |
| 15:22.19 | Lopeppeppy | Epic is just a euphamism for "uncomfortable |
| 15:22.55 | alestane | I'm bizarrely fond of how catty they are: "Mirrors can't talk; lucky for you, they can't laugh either!" |
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| 15:23.49 | alestane | "So, I went to this 'troll spa', and I came out with dreadlocks and a frigging BONE in my nose. I mean REALLY, who PAYS for that!?" |
| 15:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | The fridge didn't empty itself, fat ass. |
| 15:24.36 | alestane | And of course, the ever-popular, "No; no; I won't do that. .... but my SISTER will." |
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| 15:27.02 | alestane | The only BE male line I remember is, "Do you know what I love about your eyes? When I gaze deeply into them....I can see my reflection there." |
| 15:29.18 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 15:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | I know people like that, sadly! |
| 15:30.18 | alestane | Worgen: "Mind if I follow you home?" |
| 15:30.27 | Lopeppeppy | Creeper! |
| 15:30.41 | mikma | and there goes your house |
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| 15:37.42 | karl_w_w | oh dear, i got a d3 account warning from noreply@battle.com |
| 15:37.46 | alestane | Heh, one of the forsaken female "welcome" quotes is "...this doesn't mean I like you." |
| 15:38.33 | karl_w_w | the forsaken don't like anyone. |
| 15:41.10 | alestane | Oh dear; one of the orc males is "This is true love. Do you think this happens every day?" |
| 15:43.19 | Jitta | so I'am trying to change the font color of a button and am using the example shown on http://www.wowpedia.org/API_FontInstance_SetTextColor |
| 15:43.30 | Jitta | but after the first SetNormalFontObject() the GetNormalFontObject() will always return nil, any ideas? |
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| 16:43.50 | VIad | math question, I got the timestamp but I wish to round it to closest 10, any suggestions how to use modulo here? |
| 16:45.40 | VIad | made it simple lol, just cut the last digit and made it 0 :P tada |
| 16:46.34 | karl_w_w | round(amount/10 + 0.5) * 10 ? |
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| 16:47.18 | karl_w_w | and by round I mean math.floor o.O |
| 16:47.27 | karl_w_w | dem brainfarts |
| 16:49.31 | karl_w_w | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6134773721 <- somebody doesn't know what an easter egg is |
| 16:49.53 | karl_w_w | several people, in fact |
| 16:50.06 | VIad | lol |
| 16:51.20 | karl_w_w | an obvious reference/pun ~= an easter egg |
| 16:52.11 | Ressy | So, a Blizzard programmer is asking for info on tainting/addons saying it accessed a protected function when it didn't. Anyone have examples I can send to him, so they can track down these problems and fix them? |
| 16:53.27 | shoogie | "saying it accessed a protected function" -- what is "it?" |
| 16:53.37 | SuperPortia|work | Ressy: grats to you and everyone who worked on Collectinator for getting 2.0 out the door. I already downloaded it. |
| 16:53.38 | End_ | an addon |
| 16:53.56 | foxlit | There's a fundamental misunderstanding somewhere in that question |
| 16:54.06 | Ressy | for example, people have gotten errors saying ARL has accessed Raid Frames, when it doesn't. |
| 16:54.25 | foxlit | I'm not sure if it's at blizzard or of Ressy's summarizing, but this communication mode is concerning. |
| 16:54.34 | Shirik | I agree with foxlit |
| 16:54.42 | karl_w_w | that means something else tainted raid frames and arl got blamed (right?) |
| 16:54.45 | Shirik | ^ |
| 16:54.46 | Ressy | yes. |
| 16:54.55 | Ressy | my summarizing sucks. |
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| 16:55.14 | Shirik | hasn't it always been this way? |
| 16:55.23 | karl_w_w | as far as i know |
| 16:55.47 | karl_w_w | i have an addon that consistently gets blamed for tainting the glyph ui |
| 16:56.02 | Shirik | I mean the taint log does a pretty good job of nailing it down |
| 16:56.07 | End_ | eh |
| 16:56.13 | End_ | taint log has issues since 5.0 |
| 16:56.24 | karl_w_w | i guess i should check if it actually doesn't taint the glyph ui first... |
| 16:56.24 | Shirik | ok fair enough I haven't used it in 5.0 |
| 16:56.30 | Lopeppeppy | You want examples where the "fault" for taint is incorrectly reported by the Blizzard taint log. |
| 16:56.41 | Ressy | If possible, yes |
| 16:56.50 | foxlit | I don't think there are any such cases. |
| 16:56.52 | nevcairiel | the actual addon was never properly identified |
| 16:56.58 | karl_w_w | how can that be possible when the taint log isn't working :P |
| 16:56.59 | nevcairiel | it always blames wrong =p |
| 16:57.05 | Shirik | in the taint log? |
| 16:57.15 | nevcairiel | depends where you look in the taint log |
| 16:57.27 | foxlit | the blame is somewhat unpredictable, but I've never experienced it to be outright wrong. |
| 16:57.33 | nevcairiel | the actual fail message says "execution blocked blabla by addon foo" |
| 16:57.36 | nevcairiel | that addon was usually wrong |
| 16:57.46 | Shirik | I never actually paid attention to that message |
| 16:57.47 | nevcairiel | but you also used to get a stack trace, and a stack trace where the execution wastainted |
| 16:58.01 | nevcairiel | the second one is most of the time missing now |
| 16:58.12 | nevcairiel | information where your current execution was tainted is somehow...vanished |
| 16:59.07 | nevcairiel | so backtracking through the log is really annoying if not impossible now |
| 16:59.09 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I've never seen either source blame any addon that didn't touch the protected path somehow |
| 16:59.32 | nevcairiel | "somehow" being the operative word |
| 16:59.39 | Ressy | 28x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "AckisRecipeList" tried to call the protected function "CompactRaidFrame4:Show()". |
| 16:59.41 | nevcairiel | it doesnt actually have to be the source of the taint |
| 16:59.55 | nevcairiel | it can just spread it somehow by calling an otherwise normal API function |
| 17:00.24 | foxlit | There's wrong wrong, and there's wrong-but-not-actually-wrong wrong :) |
| 17:00.49 | nevcairiel | anyway the worst part is the memory corruption when enabling the taintlog :p |
| 17:01.24 | foxlit | Library bundling is clearly evil :P |
| 17:01.50 | foxlit | Anyway, I know why the CRF errors occur |
| 17:02.08 | foxlit | I am, however, tired of playing a game of telephone. |
| 17:02.33 | karl_w_w | this addon http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/spy gets blamed for taint when you try to remove talents even though it doesn't use any talent or specialization functions |
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| 17:03.01 | Cairenn | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=474398215959589&set=a.268489309883815.67691.268330443233035&type=1&theater |
| 17:03.21 | karl_w_w | heh |
| 17:04.20 | foxlit | karl_w_w: heh, only 13k lines of code to sift through there |
| 17:04.37 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 17:04.57 | karl_w_w | i'm not smart enough to know what to look for |
| 17:05.05 | foxlit | oh, no 21k |
| 17:05.12 | foxlit | I wonder if wc understands -r |
| 17:05.33 | End_ | find . -type f | xargs wc |
| 17:05.57 | Lopeppeppy | I think they call that "compersion", Cairenn! :) |
| 17:06.06 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: hehehe |
| 17:06.38 | foxlit | End_: clever, but can you also filter that list to only count lua and xml files? |
| 17:06.57 | End_ | if I'm lazy I just use grep -v |
| 17:07.20 | End_ | although you could limit that in find |
| 17:07.31 | foxlit | -v is invert? |
| 17:07.54 | End_ | something like find . -type -f \( -name \*.xml -or -name \*.lua \) |
| 17:08.00 | End_ | that's probably not right |
| 17:08.30 | foxlit | I'd be satisfied grepping for things that match (xml|lua), but escaping in shell arguments confuses me |
| 17:09.07 | End_ | find needs to get ( and * and ) and you don't want the shell to interpret them |
| 17:09.23 | foxlit | "lua\|xml", apparently. I don't know why | needs a backslash when it's already quoted. |
| 17:09.35 | End_ | I dunno |
| 17:09.45 | End_ | that one is weird I guess |
| 17:10.07 | foxlit | yeah, 20k lines of code. |
| 17:10.29 | End_ | oh yeah I guess grep -v is wrong, you'd just want grep |
| 17:10.36 | End_ | and yeah -v is invert |
| 17:11.02 | foxlit | karl_w_w: you're looking for interaction with FrameXML -- replacing globals that FrameXML accesses, using FrameXML API (dropdowns, interface configuration panels, etc) |
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| 17:12.09 | foxlit | But before any of that is worthwhile, confirm that it actually bugs out when that is the only addon enabled. With the amount of ace libraries it embeds, it might just as easily be taking the fall for someone else who loads later and taints something in an event handler. |
| 17:12.59 | Lopeppeppy | Booyeah, shared libraries to the... rescue...? |
| 17:13.25 | mikma | semlar: how's the pornmap going |
| 17:16.44 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowpedia.org/Easter_egg#Mr._Pac-Man <- ...no it doesn't? |
| 17:17.18 | nevcairiel | i dont see it |
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| 17:21.08 | karl_w_w | maybe if you imagine it is looking toward you slightly, and it's mouth has been move down and made significantly smaller, and it only has 1 eye, and it's wearing a kippah |
| 17:23.14 | karl_w_w | but I think it's just seeing something that isn't there |
| 17:24.12 | karl_w_w | but still, it annoys me that I can't rant at those people because it's an EU thread |
| 17:28.20 | alestane | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=505681202780456 , Cairenn. |
| 17:28.28 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 17:37.42 | Lopeppeppy | Provide noms or die. |
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| 17:39.15 | Kaylin | this isn't php peppy. |
| 17:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | My momma told me to never tell anyone to just go die. My PHP instructor concurs: it's rude and abrupt. |
| 17:43.10 | VIad | my mind combined "My momma told me never to tell anyone" and "PHP" into a "my mom told me never to tell anyone I know PHP" lol |
| 17:45.48 | VIad | speaking of php, coding a page for someone, using wordpress and some of my own code for captcha, form submittion and such |
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| 17:46.21 | VIad | making captcha was interesting :p |
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| 17:47.32 | VIad | page loads a hash and the image as base64, when submit the hash is decoded using salt (time based, expires after an hour) then it fetches the string assigned with the hash and matches it with what the person entered |
| 17:49.18 | foxlit | spams Vlad with captcha requests. |
| 17:49.37 | VIad | I guess it's resonable to make it so the captcha validation script has a block out timer if someone makes too many requests :P |
| 17:49.44 | wereHamster | an update again? |
| 17:49.50 | VIad | tiny one it seems :) |
| 17:50.22 | Kaylin | was hoping the servers would be up early. |
| 17:50.24 | VIad | wonder if apache made a htaccess option to specify a file and max requests per seconds or something |
| 17:51.01 | Unkle | Apache has an option for everything. |
| 17:51.14 | VIad | something like mod_limitipconn looks appropriate |
| 17:51.36 | VIad | if you could specify "this file can't get more than a request per second from a IP" |
| 17:52.00 | foxlit | doesn't matter, you can rent 2^64 IPs from Fisker. |
| 17:52.11 | VIad | :P |
| 17:52.26 | VIad | well it is a contact us page for a small company |
| 17:52.28 | wereHamster | mod_dwim |
| 17:52.33 | VIad | a global limit per minute would be resonable :P |
| 17:52.48 | VIad | doubt 10 people submit the form each minute :P |
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| 17:53.49 | Lopeppeppy | But a spam bot can. |
| 17:53.55 | Fisker | why mad? |
| 17:54.07 | VIad | exactly |
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| 17:58.14 | Arazon | What event fires when your target changes to a dead person |
| 17:58.29 | Arazon | or how does the unit frame understand that your target is dead |
| 17:59.59 | foxlit | heh, trash mobs have a shared-damage ability :/ |
| 18:00.55 | foxlit | that one shots you if you're the only one soaking it. That seems like cheap encounter design. |
| 18:01.04 | Unkle | Arazon: look at API for units on WoWprogramming.com |
| 18:01.46 | Arazon | I've got unit_target and player_target _changed, but neither of them are capable of giving me what I want |
| 18:02.10 | alestane | What events does the regular target frame register itself for? |
| 18:02.21 | foxlit | don't you just lose your target when something dies? |
| 18:03.45 | Arazon | I want to display SOMEthing when the user targets something thats dead. |
| 18:04.31 | Arazon | I've added a case where unithealth(target) == 0, but that doesnt fire either |
| 18:04.32 | Kaylin | can it get current health? something with 0 hp would be dead right? |
| 18:04.43 | Arazon | Way ahead of you Kylin ;) |
| 18:04.49 | Kaylin | <1 maybe? |
| 18:04.53 | Kaylin | shrugs. |
| 18:04.59 | Arazon | Well |
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| 18:05.14 | Arazon | Ill seel what unit health returns when i target something dead and go on that |
| 18:06.22 | Arazon | k it's nil |
| 18:06.25 | Arazon | i'll check for that |
| 18:10.19 | karl_w_w | so when you target something that's dead, that's your cue to show something? |
| 18:11.12 | karl_w_w | so what you want is on event player_target_changed, if UnitIsDead("target") then -- seems obvious? :/ |
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| 18:14.15 | Arazon_ | Someone kick the arazons |
| 18:15.35 | karl_w_w | how are there educated people in the (English-speaking) world who don't put a space after punctuation? |
| 18:16.52 | SuperPortia|work | I.Dont().Know() |
| 18:17.47 | Humbedooh | VIad: the sort of limitations you can do without knowing C depends on the version of httpd really |
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| 18:18.26 | Unkle | Because everyone knows that itsbetterifyoujustrunitalltogetherinlowercaseORALLCAPSanddontusepunctuation |
| 18:19.13 | karl_w_w | You're crazy Unkle,but that's OK because I like you. |
| 18:19.37 | Unkle | We're all mad here |
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| 18:22.06 | karl_w_w | what happens if there is a file entry in your toc and that file doesn't exist? |
| 18:22.18 | karl_w_w | no practical impact? |
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| 18:23.13 | Unkle | errors get logged. not sure what else hapens |
| 18:23.49 | karl_w_w | so names get taken, but no ass gets kicked! |
| 18:24.09 | karl_w_w | hmm still no login servers, that can't be a good sign |
| 18:24.17 | Unkle | I think bubblegum gets chewed |
| 18:24.31 | karl_w_w | no it doesn't |
| 18:24.37 | Unkle | 30 mins until maintenance is duet complete |
| 18:24.46 | Arazon | I'm getting nil unitIDs when I directly select a target in the world and Player_target_changed fires |
| 18:24.51 | karl_w_w | perhaps a shortage of bubblegum becomes a promenant issue |
| 18:25.01 | karl_w_w | but it certainly doesn't get chewed |
| 18:25.30 | karl_w_w | login servers usually come up an hour+ before game servers |
| 18:25.49 | karl_w_w | prominent |
| 18:26.28 | Arazon | Random question. Why do I get a nil unitID when player_target_changes fires when I directly select a target in the world |
| 18:26.50 | Unkle | how are you testing when the servers are down? |
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| 18:27.01 | karl_w_w | maybe he is EU? |
| 18:27.18 | karl_w_w | what do you mean get nil unitID |
| 18:27.26 | karl_w_w | you don't get the unitID you supply it |
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| 18:28.00 | Arazon | arg1 i mean. |
| 18:28.14 | Arazon | Player_event_changed fires, I handle it, the unit is not dead, but arg1 is nil. |
| 18:28.22 | karl_w_w | player_target_changed doesn't have any args |
| 18:28.29 | Arazon | o.O |
| 18:28.41 | Arazon | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_(Full_List) I'm looking at it |
| 18:28.42 | End_ | the relevant unit is never anything but target |
| 18:28.47 | karl_w_w | the target changed, and you do something in response to that |
| 18:28.52 | End_ | so there's no need to supply it |
| 18:29.05 | Arazon | Ok |
| 18:29.05 | karl_w_w | what could the event possibly need to tell you other than your target has changed |
| 18:29.19 | karl_w_w | ps. don't use wowwiki |
| 18:29.22 | Arazon | How do I distinguish from a dead unit, and the lack of a target? |
| 18:29.22 | End_ | I mean, of course, there's no need for the event to supply it |
| 18:29.27 | Unkle | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#unit - UnitIsDead, UnitIsCorpse tested agaist Target |
| 18:29.54 | Arazon | How do I test that there in fact no target? |
| 18:29.54 | End_ | UnitExists for lack of a target |
| 18:29.56 | Unkle | And UnitIsDeadOrGhost |
| 18:30.53 | karl_w_w | hmm, strange |
| 18:31.12 | karl_w_w | does player_target_changed really have that arg? I've never seen it before |
| 18:31.26 | karl_w_w | "up if you click the target directly, down if you press Escape to clear the target selection, LeftButton if you select the target using static frames in the UI, nil if the target moves out of range and is lost. " |
| 18:31.36 | karl_w_w | perhaps that's old info? |
| 18:31.42 | End_ | I think that was leaked data |
| 18:31.44 | End_ | so probabvly |
| 18:31.46 | End_ | probably |
| 18:32.08 | Arazon | thanks |
| 18:32.08 | Arazon | yes it does |
| 18:32.08 | Arazon | I've put a line to print it to the chatframe and it prints LeftButton if selected using frames, up if selected in the world, nil if no target |
| 18:32.22 | End_ | interesting |
| 18:39.49 | Semlar | i didn't know that event had a signature |
| 18:44.06 | Semlar | so you could determine how a unit was targeted, but i'm not sure what you could do with that information |
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| 18:45.11 | Semlar | i guess it would be useful for determining whether the event fired because you selected or deselected something |
| 18:53.13 | Semlar | is there any way to actually *get* a unit's flags through the api |
| 18:53.28 | Semlar | outside of combat_log_event_unfiltered |
| 18:54.05 | Semlar | because there's an event that fires when they change, and it seems almost completely useless |
| 18:55.02 | Semlar | maybe there are unit functions for each flag |
| 18:55.22 | karl_w_w | construct them using various unit info functions? :P |
| 18:55.30 | Semlar | there's one for reaction, i know |
| 18:56.01 | Semlar | yeah i guess you could piece it together using the unit id |
| 18:56.59 | karl_w_w | i cant think of a use for the event, but im sure there is one |
| 18:57.32 | Semlar | well if you could get all the same information that the flags would give you through unit functions then it would let you know when to recheck them |
| 18:58.09 | karl_w_w | but most of the info functions would have more specific events :P |
| 18:58.09 | Semlar | i wonder if there aren't other events for all of that stuff though |
| 18:58.53 | Semlar | it seems like it should return the flags with the event |
| 18:59.05 | Semlar | would that make too much sense? |
| 18:59.45 | karl_w_w | you're talking about wow's ui here |
| 19:00.02 | Semlar | :( |
| 19:00.31 | karl_w_w | still no login servers Unkle :P |
| 19:01.09 | Unkle | yup |
| 19:01.33 | Semlar | is there a range on UnitAffectingCombat, like if a raid member were on another continent or something could you still detect if they were fighting |
| 19:01.46 | Semlar | i'm assuming it's limited to your area |
| 19:01.53 | karl_w_w | it's probably 100 yards |
| 19:02.34 | karl_w_w | that long distance that I don't know what it signifies over which 3d portraits no longer display :P |
| 19:02.50 | karl_w_w | targetting distance i guess! |
| 19:04.15 | karl_w_w | http://foodporndaily.com/pictures/thyme-laced-lard-cookies-and-salted-dulce-de-leche-ice-cream-sandwich/ <- sure, who doesn't want lard cookies? |
| 19:04.38 | kd3 | eew |
| 19:05.53 | karl_w_w | get ur baked, congealed lard rocks today! |
| 19:06.13 | Semlar | lard is used as a shortening |
| 19:06.42 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 19:07.29 | karl_w_w | in fact it's the best for an apple pie, but the name of said cookies is unfortunate in it's implication |
| 19:07.43 | Semlar | yeah i wouldn't have drawn attention to the lard |
| 19:08.35 | Semlar | well, i just wouldn't have used lard |
| 19:08.58 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 19:09.03 | Semlar | you could use a vegetable oil |
| 19:10.23 | Semlar | i make biscotti sometimes and i use clarified butter |
| 19:10.37 | Semlar | mostly because butter is delicious |
| 19:10.45 | karl_w_w | anyone remember a cookery show where amateur cooks come on to make a single dish, and each dish competed for the spot of best dish? |
| 19:10.50 | karl_w_w | was a british show |
| 19:10.57 | karl_w_w | been trying to remember what it was called |
| 19:12.43 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking_show#List_of_Cooking_Shows |
| 19:13.32 | karl_w_w | already at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_cooking_television_programmes :P |
| 19:13.48 | karl_w_w | I love that is one called just ...Cooks! |
| 19:13.49 | Semlar | close enough |
| 19:14.06 | Semlar | kitchen criminals |
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| 19:15.13 | Semlar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semla |
| 19:19.03 | karl_w_w | can't find it :( |
| 19:25.49 | karl_w_w | this list has so many cooking shows missing from it anyway |
| 19:35.47 | karl_w_w | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain%27s_Best_Dish |
| 19:43.07 | karl_w_w | i can't find the reason I thought of that show anyway :P this old guy came on and made an apple pie using lard for the puff pastry |
| 19:43.23 | karl_w_w | and the judges were majorly impressed |
| 19:43.35 | karl_w_w | it was like the runner-up or something in the end |
| 19:43.57 | Semlar | tub o' lard |
| 19:44.14 | Semlar | plop it down in front of the judges |
| 19:44.29 | Semlar | JUDGE THAT |
| 19:45.34 | Semlar | i don't think i'll be winning any cooking contests |
| 19:45.42 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 19:46.04 | karl_w_w | it's quite a good show actually, shame it isnt more popular |
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| 20:01.33 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s480x480/252393_440012289387361_16786533_n.jpg |
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| 20:05.29 | karl_w_w | awesome pomp |
| 20:06.54 | Zootfizzle | Man |
| 20:06.57 | Zootfizzle | Reading hours of chat is hard |
| 20:07.04 | Zootfizzle | I'm just going to ignore what you guys said while I was gone :P |
| 20:07.11 | Zootfizzle | is that antisocial |
| 20:07.24 | pompy | lol |
| 20:08.04 | Lopeppeppy | I was the very image of light and grace though! |
| 20:08.42 | Zootfizzle | Aren't you always? |
| 20:08.46 | Zootfizzle | :) |
| 20:08.55 | Zootfizzle | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 20:09.57 | Lopeppeppy | Totally. My light drives Unkle from the channel every time. Damned vampire. |
| 20:09.59 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
| 20:14.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:14.36 | kd3 | grr |
| 20:14.42 | kd3 | is now 0-15 on invites |
| 20:19.12 | g0urra | 0-15? |
| 20:20.16 | kd3 | 15 rare kills, 0 invite drops |
| 20:20.27 | kd3 | a guildie is 2-2 |
| 20:23.17 | karl_w_w | must be bugged kd3, complain on the forums |
| 20:23.40 | Ressy | lol |
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| 20:30.22 | karl_w_w | "can also run natively on Linux through the use of Wine" <- derps don't know what native means |
| 20:31.04 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 20:31.05 | karl_w_w | unless they're suggesting you need to compile it yourself, and you'll need to drink a lot of alcohol to get through the ordeal |
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| 20:32.03 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 20:32.12 | kd3 | http://news.yahoo.com/jet-fuel-pumped-cars-3-nj-gas-stations-125721828.html |
| 20:33.42 | pompy | kd3: nice, thats not super far from me |
| 20:36.29 | karl_w_w | it would have been more exciting if they accidentally put petrol in planes |
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| 21:12.20 | znf | What's wrong with Jet Fuel? |
| 21:12.35 | znf | I remember ~10 years ago my uncle had a shitty car that run without a problem on kerosene |
| 21:16.24 | foxlit | PING www.curse.com (68.64.47.204): 56 data bytes |
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| 21:18.26 | VIad | "Taint bugs are almost certainly caused by mods trying to access stuff they shouldn't." |
| 21:18.27 | VIad | :D |
| 21:18.57 | Semlar | well it's true |
| 21:18.57 | znf | yeah, that's epic |
| 21:19.00 | znf | I would have slapped him |
| 21:19.03 | znf | Semlar, no |
| 21:19.10 | Semlar | the interface doesn't taint itself |
| 21:19.25 | Semlar | just when you try to do something like add an options panel |
| 21:19.38 | foxlit | Meh, it's still GC. |
| 21:19.51 | VIad | Semlar: like me trying to add a extra tab on the pet journal frame? |
| 21:20.05 | Semlar | yeah, your ADDON is causing the taint |
| 21:20.07 | VIad | ends up breaking anything secure because my taint broke the ability to show/hide the frames :P |
| 21:20.17 | foxlit | If we went :D every time someone who doesn't know any better says something stupid, some people would be very difficult to talk to. |
| 21:20.34 | VIad | just shame they got nice API to add tabs to frames and such |
| 21:20.42 | VIad | but that we can't use it to expand on blizzards frames |
| 21:20.56 | VIad | gotta create more separate dialogs, feels like bloat -_- |
| 21:20.57 | Semlar | you just have to make sure you never, ever touch anything that already exists |
| 21:21.18 | VIad | imagine if cellphones did this with their apps |
| 21:21.20 | Semlar | even if they provide you with a way to do it |
| 21:21.25 | VIad | you can make stuff JUST DON'T TOUCH what already exists :P |
| 21:21.50 | Semlar | you can't fall for their traps |
| 21:21.57 | foxlit | It doesn't matter. |
| 21:22.18 | foxlit | Your code causes issues because you don't fully understand the implications of what you're doing. |
| 21:22.28 | foxlit | That will cause problems no matter what you're writing. |
| 21:23.06 | VIad | I just think the devs should make it more clear what is intended for use by us and not |
| 21:23.20 | End_ | it's not really generally their concern |
| 21:23.22 | VIad | atm a lot of globals and many shouldn't be touched, but this you only learn by experience |
| 21:23.25 | foxlit | I bet you'd also like API documentation to go with that. |
| 21:23.53 | VIad | stop protecting blizzard, I pay them money each month for fixing the lua interface so I can code my addons and more addons :D |
| 21:24.03 | Semlar | i just like that even adding to the addon options panel taints it, it's great |
| 21:24.06 | VIad | wish I could specify what I pay for :P |
| 21:24.33 | znf | if they would at least report the proper addon... |
| 21:24.34 | foxlit | Semlar: *why* does it do that? :) |
| 21:24.36 | VIad | I'd check the addon box and write off like 50% of the payment should go to making the addon environment and UI in general better :3 |
| 21:24.38 | End_ | I actually haven't seen issue from the options panel, but that one does sound the silliest |
| 21:24.45 | Semlar | why is a good question |
| 21:24.53 | foxlit | znf: my impression is that they do |
| 21:25.02 | znf | 29x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "RangeDisplay" tried to call the protected function "CompactRaidFrame7:Hide()". |
| 21:25.03 | znf | really? |
| 21:25.11 | VIad | " Hey will WoW's taint detection be worked on? I am pretty fed up of my addons being blamed for things they don't even look at." |
| 21:25.19 | VIad | response: " If the addon goes after a protected feature, it gets the taint. It's pretty cut and dried as far as I know." |
| 21:25.25 | VIad | :D |
| 21:25.32 | Ressy | foxlit: It doesn't when it says AckisRecipeList is calling raid frames. |
| 21:25.37 | foxlit | No, it doesn't. |
| 21:25.56 | znf | or when BasicChatMods gets blamed for something that it obviously doesn't do |
| 21:25.57 | Semlar | i made an addon that consisted of nothing but adding a frame using their function to add it to the options panel and it tainted the ui dropdown menu thing |
| 21:26.02 | foxlit | It says that AckisRecipeList tainted something which lead to the execution being tainted when the raid frames are being hidden/shown |
| 21:26.11 | znf | BCM gets blamed when I try to change a glyph/talent |
| 21:26.43 | foxlit | znf: do you have any examples with a non-gargantuan amount of code that I can look t? |
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| 21:28.13 | znf | foxlit, were you referring to compact raid frame? |
| 21:28.28 | znf | or BCM? |
| 21:28.59 | foxlit | any example where you feel an addon is being blamed for something it didn't actually cause. |
| 21:29.25 | znf | well, basic-chat-mods is a good example, can't think of a smaller one at the moment |
| 21:29.35 | znf | I disabled all addons last night and run only with BCM enabled |
| 21:29.50 | znf | I disabled all modules from it |
| 21:30.08 | znf | Funkeh also instructed me to disable the config panel completely |
| 21:30.24 | VIad | why does ace have a better framework for addons than blizzard? :D |
| 21:30.57 | VIad | I hope titan gets a good addon framework, and with addons in mind to avoid useless taint blame and issues that happen by accident ^^ |
| 21:31.26 | znf | foxlit, so, even after I disabled all its config panels and modules, it still got blamed on talent change |
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| 21:32.29 | foxlit | znf: works for me without disabling any of its components. |
| 21:32.43 | znf | foxlit, also works for funkeh... |
| 21:32.49 | znf | still gets blamed for me |
| 21:33.00 | foxlit | Disabled other addons, extracted stuff from .zip, logged in, selected a talent, learned talent, unlearned talent, works. |
| 21:33.11 | znf | get in some combat |
| 21:33.11 | znf | chat |
| 21:33.13 | znf | etc. |
| 21:33.14 | End_ | talent taint is always random for me |
| 21:33.27 | Semlar | local f=CreateFrame('frame') f.name='TAINT' InterfaceOptions_AddCategory(f) <- this will taint the interface |
| 21:33.42 | Semlar | guaranteed |
| 21:34.09 | foxlit | But it's pretty clear that the addon that does that *is to blame* for doing that. |
| 21:34.29 | foxlit | The point is, the addon name isn't wrong. It may be indirect, but it's something you did. |
| 21:34.45 | End_ | taint can be borrowed |
| 21:35.02 | End_ | so that's not really true |
| 21:35.03 | Semlar | it doesn't blame my addon for it |
| 21:35.22 | foxlit | I think you're going to have to define what you mean by borrowed. |
| 21:35.56 | Semlar | then again the only reason i know it's tainting it is because the buggy taintlog throws an error in game |
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| 21:36.25 | pompy | Arrowmaster`: lol look at the deal of the day http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=cs_top_nav_gb27 |
| 21:37.55 | Semlar | man, the map really does not like being tainted |
| 21:39.33 | End_ | sorry I was doing LFR |
| 21:39.59 | End_ | when I say borrowed I mean that if you taint something "safe" and then someone else tries to manipulate the same thing, your taint gets spread around instead of their taint |
| 21:40.23 | foxlit | If that someone else was secure, sure. |
| 21:40.27 | nilyaK | hehe spread... hehe taint |
| 21:40.28 | foxlit | But then you're also to blame. |
| 21:40.44 | End_ | why is that? |
| 21:40.53 | End_ | why are you also to blame? |
| 21:41.00 | Semlar | because you tainted it? |
| 21:41.27 | foxlit | because your code potentially modified behavior of other code |
| 21:41.41 | End_ | I don't really buy that |
| 21:42.36 | foxlit | There's not much to buy |
| 21:42.47 | foxlit | I'm not sure why you said "instead of their taint", though |
| 21:43.55 | foxlit | Reading that, I think the implication is that if addon A reads a value tainted by addon B, and then taints another variable, the taint in that variable will be blamed on B rather than A, but that should not be the case. |
| 21:43.57 | End_ | because if you're addon wouldn't have been there, they still would have performed the same action, and blame would have been assigned differently |
| 21:44.14 | End_ | are you sure? |
| 21:45.00 | nilyaK | if they perform a secure action on a tainted path the path is tainted anyway isn't it? not their fault if so. |
| 21:45.16 | foxlit | Pretty sure. There should be a single point at which the current execution thread becomes tainted; whoever does that first assumes the blame for everything that follows. |
| 21:45.41 | foxlit | The scenario that you should be more concerned about is if addon A calls addon B, addon B does something naughty, and addon A gets blamed. |
| 21:45.59 | foxlit | (see: every embedded event dispatcher ever) |
| 21:46.08 | VIad | there is something odd going on foxlit |
| 21:46.20 | End_ | funkeh's addmessage hook example seemed to indicate the opposite |
| 21:46.21 | VIad | I remember the compact raid frames got tainted in 5.0 when I was looking at taint logs |
| 21:46.33 | foxlit | End_: link? |
| 21:46.37 | End_ | I don't have a link |
| 21:46.39 | VIad | I did a search on all my addons for anything modifying raid frame related stuff, no hits. |
| 21:46.44 | End_ | he was talking about it on #wowace |
| 21:46.44 | VIad | so yeah... |
| 21:47.19 | foxlit | Vlad: there's nothing wrong about that. |
| 21:47.34 | VIad | the frame didn't properly hide when it happened :P |
| 21:47.34 | foxlit | You tainted something in FrameXML, that something in FrameXML went on to taint something else. |
| 21:47.48 | VIad | yeah, so the taint log don't help in most cases |
| 21:47.55 | End_ | I wouldn't say it doesn't help |
| 21:47.57 | VIad | just whines about stuff |
| 21:47.58 | End_ | but you need taintlog 2 |
| 21:48.07 | End_ | and you have a fuckton of shit to dig through |
| 21:48.19 | VIad | I was doing heavy duty debugging then |
| 21:48.24 | VIad | had also issues with world map drop down taint :D |
| 21:48.47 | foxlit | even at 2, nothing gets logged for table fields and locals. |
| 21:48.48 | End_ | if it's an issue that randomly presents, like all the times I've seen taint issues, it becomes really difficult to trackdown |
| 21:48.56 | End_ | oh that might be true |
| 21:48.59 | VIad | anyway, I like it when the error says "X was blocked because File.lua:239 did action WHY." |
| 21:49.08 | End_ | I dunno, I've tracked down a few things via that |
| 21:49.08 | VIad | s/HY// |
| 21:49.20 | End_ | one was being caused by the uidropdown menu |
| 21:49.20 | foxlit | There are certainly situations when it's useful :) |
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| 21:49.46 | VIad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.55 | End_ | even when it has enough info, it takes a fair amount of effort |
| 21:50.36 | Semlar | dual monitors, vlad |
| 21:50.37 | End_ | anyway |
| 21:50.44 | foxlit | Someone should static analysis that stuff. |
| 21:50.44 | Arrowmaster | ~ping |
| 21:50.45 | purl | ~pong |
| 21:50.54 | VIad | an idea |
| 21:51.14 | kd3 | I'd love to have a coverity-style static analysis for wowlua |
| 21:51.15 | VIad | a program that scans your addon and tells you of taint risks that can break blizzards framexml code |
| 21:51.16 | End_ | I think avoiding touching anything that Blizzard uses is a good strategy |
| 21:51.39 | VIad | it is, but it also makes it lame to do stuff like world map addons |
| 21:51.59 | VIad | you'd have to write a whole framework that does all that blizzards addon does and then add the top layer with your own feature on top :P |
| 21:52.04 | VIad | lots of work |
| 21:52.09 | VIad | just ask Semlar |
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| 21:52.21 | Semlar | :| |
| 21:52.24 | End_ | I don't think it is too much of a problem |
| 21:52.31 | End_ | but we need to reimplment certain things |
| 21:52.32 | Semlar | fuck the map |
| 21:52.50 | End_ | well ok I guess stuff like map is a problem |
| 21:53.00 | End_ | I dunno |
| 21:53.03 | End_ | I'm distracted :< |
| 21:54.06 | foxlit | The best solution would be to fix blizzard's code. |
| 21:54.11 | End_ | yea |
| 21:54.12 | foxlit | But that's also the hardest one to actually do. |
| 21:54.19 | End_ | yea |
| 21:55.00 | foxlit | I feel like they should give away some code signing keys |
| 21:55.30 | foxlit | Coupled with heavy contractual penalties if those were ever used for evil. |
| 21:55.36 | nilyaK | or they could just you know |
| 21:55.40 | nilyaK | keep the revocation certs |
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| 21:57.12 | VIad | viva la revolution! |
| 21:57.14 | foxlit | It's heavily asymmetrical -- it's a lot easier to do evil than it is to detect you doing evil and revoke stuff. |
| 21:57.58 | nevcairiel | yeah, best way to avoid this is to scare people with legal dealys |
| 22:03.19 | kd3 | has visons of blacksuits rappelling out of the ceiling |
| 22:08.24 | VIad | I once got a legit mail from microsoft saying they knew I had an illegal windows xp installed lol :D |
| 22:08.34 | VIad | was long ago |
| 22:10.51 | pompy | ~wowitem 86570 |
| 22:10.51 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=86570 http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=86570 |
| 22:15.54 | End_ | hm I just realized that my remove talent seems to only occur after entering an instance |
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| 22:23.49 | End_ | hrmph |
| 22:24.10 | End_ | but it doesn't occur merely by jumping in and out of rfc |
| 22:24.15 | End_ | nor by being in a group |
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| 22:50.08 | kd3 | grr. unseen strike pierces immunity? |
| 22:55.47 | nebula169 | better believe it! |
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| 22:56.37 | nebula169 | ignores damage reduction stuff, too, like dispersion/zen meditation |
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| 23:03.02 | VIad | now I remember why I didn't finish mass effect 1, I died, last auto save was 3 hours ago LOL |
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| 23:09.16 | SuperPortia|roam | Is there an add-on that shows you where the pet masters are? |
| 23:09.38 | VIad | that is called Semlar's world map framework, SWMF in short. |
| 23:09.48 | VIad | allows you to easily add layers of icons on the world map with ease |
| 23:10.04 | 4JTAAVSTD | >_> |
| 23:10.21 | 4JTAAVSTD | wait that's not my name |
| 23:10.26 | VIad | :P |
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| 23:11.20 | VIad | my game is stuck on 100% loaded screen for an hour now LOL |
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| 23:11.26 | VIad | I just left the game in the background :P |
| 23:11.30 | VIad | I wonder if I am logged out at all |
| 23:11.36 | Semlar2 | close enough |
| 23:11.44 | VIad | :D |
| 23:11.58 | VIad | Semlar2 is phone or pad? |
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| 23:13.54 | kd3 | hahahah |
| 23:14.01 | kd3 | got the red qiraji resonating crystal |
| 23:14.02 | kd3 | yay |
| 23:14.08 | VIad | ^^ |
| 23:16.50 | Semlar2 | http://i.imgur.com/4l6Te.jpg tablet |
| 23:19.02 | Semlar2 | http://i.imgur.com/vkib0.jpg meow |
| 23:24.37 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/MetroVideoGame?sk=app_395840630491782 |
| 23:28.12 | Ackis | did you folks read the tweets from Ghostcrawler about the talent frame taint? |
| 23:28.26 | Adys | the "UR FAULT LOLOLOL" tweets? |
| 23:28.46 | Ackis | yeah |
| 23:28.52 | Adys | nope. didnt read those. |
| 23:32.36 | nebula169 | ddin't even notice there was more than one ;[ |
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