| 00:06.03 | Semlar | i'm actually using the font path |
| 00:06.07 | Semlar | i could redo that |
| 00:11.27 | VIad | Jeff :D |
| 00:11.57 | SuperPortia|roam | That would actually solve your font-localization issue as well. |
| 00:12.29 | SuperPortia|roam | Is there any reason that the drawing depth for something would change between loads? |
| 00:13.40 | Semlar | if you don't specify a frame level it draws based on the order it happened to load in |
| 00:14.05 | SuperPortia|roam | useParent level would cause the same effect? |
| 00:14.19 | Semlar | using the parent level would especially cause that |
| 00:14.30 | Semlar | because everything would be the same level |
| 00:14.55 | SuperPortia|roam | I have this problem where if I don't put stuff on the same level I break mouse drag rotate functionality. |
| 00:15.18 | SuperPortia|roam | But if I do put them on the same level I get the alpha darkening mask shoved in front of it. |
| 00:15.45 | Semlar | i'm probably not the person to ask about frame levels |
| 00:16.55 | SuperPortia|roam | It top-most subLevel is 8 right and not -7? |
| 00:17.08 | Semlar | i think it's -7 to 7 |
| 00:17.27 | Semlar | but the bigger the number the higher it is |
| 00:17.40 | SuperPortia|roam | I know it's 16 levels. |
| 00:17.55 | SuperPortia|roam | So that would mean it's asymetrical. |
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| 00:18.09 | Semlar | it's -8 to 7 |
| 00:18.34 | Semlar | 0 is the default sublevel |
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| 00:19.22 | SuperPortia|roam | Is there an add-on that will play-back your chat logs after you reload? |
| 00:19.31 | Semlar | and i have never gotten it to work correctly if i created one texture earlier than the other one with different sublevels they'd still randomly switch |
| 00:19.56 | Semlar | i just put them on different layers |
| 00:20.12 | Semlar | prat does it |
| 00:20.36 | Semlar | they call it roll back or something along those lines |
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| 00:48.42 | Arazon | Hey semlar, have you ever had tga textures disappear on you? |
| 00:48.50 | Semlar | no |
| 00:49.02 | SuperPortia|roam | So to things in frames take up their entire parent surface from a click-through perspective? |
| 00:49.07 | Semlar | but they could easily show up behind something else |
| 00:49.36 | Semlar | no, a button on top of a model frame shouldn't be preventing you from clicking it |
| 00:49.42 | Semlar | i don't know why you're having that problem |
| 00:50.19 | SuperPortia|roam | I'm adding a tooltip via: GameTooltip:SetOwner(self, "ANCHOR_BOTTOMRIGHT", 0, 0); and it's being shown not at the button's bottom right, but at the bottom right of the parent. |
| 00:50.37 | Semlar | is self the parent |
| 00:50.59 | SuperPortia|roam | It's not relative to the button, but the frame the button is in? |
| 00:51.16 | Semlar | i'd have to see the code |
| 00:51.34 | SuperPortia|roam | http://pastebin.com/G75Z6Jc0 |
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| 00:52.17 | SuperPortia|roam | Better version: http://pastebin.com/1KLsRVgf |
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| 00:53.05 | SuperPortia|roam | GameTooltip:SetOwner(self, "ANCHOR_BOTTOMRIGHT", 0, 0); 62. GameTooltip:SetText("test") |
| 00:54.24 | Semlar | well, i haven't made an interface in xml in years so i may be a little rusty |
| 00:54.46 | Semlar | you're saying the tooltip is showing up on the button's parent |
| 00:55.27 | kd3 | wait, what? 17 plants ready for harvest? |
| 00:55.52 | SuperPortia|roam | Uploading screenshot |
| 00:56.17 | Semlar | try just GameTooltip:ClearAllPoints() GameTooltip:SetPoint('TOPLEFT', MountJournalMountInfo, 'BOTTOMRIGHT') or something |
| 00:56.24 | Semlar | instead of setowner |
| 00:56.37 | Semlar | or maybe setowner anchor_none first |
| 00:58.16 | SuperPortia|roam | http://i.imgur.com/DqMmH.jpg |
| 00:58.53 | SuperPortia|roam | Maybe I'm attaching the button wrong or resizing it wrong? |
| 00:59.09 | Semlar | i don't know, all i have here is the button |
| 00:59.40 | Semlar | which looks like it should work |
| 00:59.51 | Semlar | unless self isn't the button |
| 00:59.53 | SuperPortia|roam | http://pastebin.com/fEqbfVwt |
| 01:00.15 | SuperPortia|roam | That's where I attach it to its supposed parent |
| 01:00.19 | Semlar | have you tried using the button's name instead of self |
| 01:00.37 | SuperPortia|roam | That would be telling |
| 01:00.38 | Semlar | oh |
| 01:00.40 | Semlar | no |
| 01:00.44 | Semlar | you have setallpoints |
| 01:00.54 | Semlar | that makes the button cover the entire model |
| 01:00.57 | SuperPortia|roam | Ah |
| 01:01.00 | SuperPortia|roam | What should it be? |
| 01:01.07 | Semlar | setpoint topleft or something |
| 01:01.34 | Semlar | button:SetPoint('TOPLEFT') |
| 01:01.46 | Semlar | anchors the button's top left to its parent's top left |
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| 01:02.14 | Semlar | you don't really need clearallpoints unless it already has an anchor that isn't the one you're trying to use |
| 01:02.29 | Semlar | you can just take the anchor out of the xml file |
| 01:03.01 | karl_w_w | you can also just delete the xml file and simplify your life |
| 01:03.03 | SuperPortia|roam | There we go. |
| 01:03.15 | SuperPortia|roam | Let's just call it different styles. |
| 01:03.24 | Semlar | yeah i did xml for one addon and never used it again |
| 01:03.30 | SuperPortia|roam | I come from a XAML/.cs file |
| 01:03.34 | SuperPortia|roam | background |
| 01:04.10 | SuperPortia|roam | I like keeping presentation and code separate if I could. |
| 01:04.24 | Semlar | for one thing i couldn't tell you half the attributes they use in xml because they differ from the lua |
| 01:05.17 | Semlar | you can keep the presentation in a separate file and still have it be lua |
| 01:05.17 | SuperPortia|roam | And now everything works. |
| 01:05.54 | SuperPortia|roam | You were the first person out of five to catch that Semlar. Thanks. |
| 01:06.04 | SuperPortia|roam | It's been bugging me for almost 24H |
| 01:06.10 | Semlar | >_> |
| 01:06.32 | Semlar | do i get something? |
| 01:06.39 | SuperPortia|roam | It led to some weird bugs. |
| 01:06.51 | SuperPortia|roam | Thanks of a grateful me? |
| 01:07.04 | SuperPortia|roam | Co-credit for authorship? |
| 01:07.10 | Semlar | i was hoping for cookies |
| 01:07.16 | SuperPortia|roam | Where do you live? |
| 01:07.23 | SuperPortia|roam | State only, for estimates. |
| 01:07.27 | Semlar | florida somewhere |
| 01:07.35 | SuperPortia|roam | You're actually not that far away. |
| 01:07.44 | SuperPortia|roam | <== NC |
| 01:07.53 | Semlar | it's a ten hour drive |
| 01:08.01 | kd3 | I can split the difference! |
| 01:08.04 | kd3 | <-- greater atlantan |
| 01:08.05 | SuperPortia|roam | I know, I used to live there. |
| 01:08.26 | SuperPortia|roam | Better than seeing my other family on the west coast. |
| 01:08.58 | Semlar | i drove to asheville a couple weeks ago |
| 01:09.14 | Semlar | didn't get there until like 5am |
| 01:09.20 | SuperPortia|roam | It's something that can be done in a day. |
| 01:09.41 | Semlar | saw a dozen cops in georgia |
| 01:09.46 | SuperPortia|roam | We semi-occasionally do NC to Maryland which is like 6-7 hours. |
| 01:10.05 | Semlar | kd3 explain why georgia is like a giant speed trap |
| 01:10.23 | Semlar | actually i completely cut around atlanta |
| 01:10.35 | kd3 | they look for out of state tags |
| 01:10.43 | kd3 | drive on 285 and you can go 90 before cops will look at you |
| 01:11.00 | Semlar | i think i took 290 around atlanta, something like that |
| 01:11.06 | Semlar | i really wasn't paying much attention |
| 01:11.22 | Semlar | i just go where my gps tells me |
| 01:11.36 | karl_w_w | that's how people end up in rivers |
| 01:13.47 | Semlar | there's these big signs over i95 when you cross the georgia border saying how many people have died in traffic accidents this year |
| 01:14.51 | Semlar | it wasn't any higher when i drove back so that's good |
| 01:15.03 | SuperPortia|roam | Damn it, I need a third monitor |
| 01:17.01 | SuperPortia|roam | One for WoW, one for code, one for Internet and chat. |
| 01:18.37 | SuperPortia|roam | Anyone know if there are decent icons that could represent Ground v. Flying v. Swimming? |
| 01:19.12 | Semlar | druid travel form, flight form, aquatic form |
| 01:20.16 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/ICONS/Ability_Druid_AquaticForm.png |
| 01:20.37 | karl_w_w | an earth totem, an air totem, a water totem |
| 01:20.47 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/ICONS/Ability_Druid_FlightForm.png http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/ICONS/Ability_Druid_TravelForm.png |
| 01:20.51 | karl_w_w | if you wanna get all spiritual and shit |
| 01:21.59 | karl_w_w | or primal air/earth/water |
| 01:23.21 | karl_w_w | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/Interface/ICONS/Spell_Nature_WispSplode.png best icon name |
| 01:25.29 | SuperPortia|roam | I take it they're all gonna look button-like though. |
| 01:25.58 | SuperPortia|roam | Are we allowed to photoshop and manipulate base wizard assets and ship with them? |
| 01:29.56 | Semlar | you can use settexcoord to get rid of the border |
| 01:30.23 | SuperPortia|roam | Could I make it round using that technique? |
| 01:30.24 | Semlar | at least that's what i do |
| 01:30.28 | Semlar | no |
| 01:30.32 | Semlar | well.. |
| 01:30.35 | Semlar | not easily |
| 01:30.40 | SuperPortia|roam | Roughly? |
| 01:30.44 | SuperPortia|roam | It's supposed to be pretty small |
| 01:31.03 | Semlar | you want a circle or rounded corners |
| 01:31.14 | Semlar | because a circle is technically doable |
| 01:31.23 | Semlar | i think |
| 01:31.42 | SuperPortia|roam | I can put a circular border around it to give it the illusion of a circle. |
| 01:32.02 | Semlar | is that what you want? a circular texture |
| 01:32.44 | SuperPortia|roam | I wanted to potentially annotate the icons with glyphs representing if they were flying, ground or aquatic mounts. |
| 01:34.59 | Semlar | :| |
| 01:35.30 | SuperPortia|roam | I think I can do it with some texture manipulation. |
| 01:35.40 | Semlar | answer the question! |
| 01:36.00 | Semlar | do you want circular textures |
| 01:36.05 | Semlar | because that can be done |
| 01:36.17 | SuperPortia|roam | I want something that will look good in a circular border. |
| 01:36.23 | Semlar | okay |
| 01:37.11 | Semlar | you can mask a square texture with a circle by calling SetPortraitToTexture(textureObject, texturePath) |
| 01:37.22 | Semlar | instead of textureObject:SetTexture(texturePath) |
| 01:38.10 | Semlar | this is for placing them inside of circular borders |
| 01:38.23 | SuperPortia|roam | ok |
| 01:38.45 | Semlar | if you want a square texture without the border that's built into the icon, you can use settexcoord to trim it off |
| 01:39.42 | SuperPortia|roam | Is there a preset circular texture path? |
| 01:40.33 | Semlar | for the mask? |
| 01:40.38 | Semlar | i'm not sure what you're asking |
| 01:41.18 | SuperPortia|roam | SetPortraitToTexture(textureObject, ???) <== what's the second parameter value? |
| 01:41.27 | Semlar | the path to the texture |
| 01:41.34 | SuperPortia|roam | Oh |
| 01:41.36 | Semlar | [[Interface/ICONS/Ability_Druid_FlightForm]] |
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| 01:42.00 | Semlar | textureObject is what you get from CreateTexture |
| 01:42.04 | Semlar | the texture name |
| 01:42.11 | SuperPortia|roam | SetPortraitToPortrait makes it round? |
| 01:42.12 | Semlar | or a reference to it |
| 01:42.14 | SuperPortia|roam | Got it |
| 01:42.17 | Semlar | SetPortraitToTexture |
| 01:42.23 | SuperPortia|roam | Yeah |
| 01:42.34 | SuperPortia|roam | Guildies try to get me to raid... too many conversations at once. |
| 01:42.38 | Semlar | do not confuse it with SetPortraitTexture |
| 01:43.57 | Semlar | it does something completely different |
| 01:44.04 | SuperPortia|roam | I imagine. |
| 01:45.09 | kd3 | gah. I wish I could figure out what broke xfwm. I don't have titlebars any more |
| 01:45.24 | Semlar | i've been toying with this trying to get it to use my own mask but i'm not sure it's possible to replace the texture from inside the game |
| 01:45.47 | Semlar | you could probably replace it by putting a texture file in the directory but it would screw up everything that uses it |
| 01:47.11 | Arazon | If a tga file has a canvas size of 16x256 but the last say, 20 pixels or so are unused, how would I trim those off using settex coords? |
| 01:47.24 | Semlar | 20 of the 256? |
| 01:47.38 | Semlar | on the right side? |
| 01:47.47 | Arazon | Im not sure, but im willing to make a script that i can edit to find out the exact |
| 01:47.50 | Arazon | and yes |
| 01:47.59 | Semlar | you want to take a crack at it? |
| 01:48.45 | Arazon | Definitely. |
| 01:49.07 | Semlar | what do you think it should be |
| 01:49.55 | Semlar | if you want to just take 20/256 pixels off the right side |
| 01:50.20 | Arazon | Well there are two overloaded functions for settex coords, one of them I've already used to shear off portions of the left side. It does not preserve the angled texture. so maybe the second function, with more arguments, should be used? |
| 01:50.31 | Arazon | Or do i just divide 20 by 256 and take that off the right side |
| 01:50.36 | Arazon | I think that wont work |
| 01:51.15 | Semlar | well, the number 1 represents 100% of the width of the texture, or 256 pixels in this case |
| 01:51.47 | Semlar | so if you wanted to go up to 20/256 of the way through the texture, you would set it to 1-20/256 |
| 01:52.10 | Semlar | 0,1-20/256,0,1 |
| 01:52.39 | Arazon | That took my texture and extended the right side by a a nice chunk |
| 01:52.52 | Arazon | but here maybe it did get rid of the excess |
| 01:53.44 | Semlar | it "extended" the side because it cut off the invisible part and stayed the same width |
| 01:55.36 | Arazon | Should I resize the width? |
| 01:56.38 | Semlar | i imagine so, yes |
| 01:57.34 | Semlar | to the same amount |
| 01:59.19 | Arazon | same or the original - the amount of pixels i took off |
| 01:59.32 | Arazon | e.g. 256-20 |
| 02:01.26 | Semlar | if that's the size of the texture in game |
| 02:02.04 | Semlar | if you keep it 16x256 in-game then you would shave off 20 pixels from the width |
| 02:02.24 | Semlar | otherwise it's (1-20/256)*width |
| 02:05.37 | Semlar | or something like (height*16)*(1-20/256) |
| 02:07.35 | Semlar | you're just trying to preserve the aspect ratio of 256 to 16 |
| 02:08.23 | Semlar | so if you doubled the height to 32 the new width would be 512 or 32*16 |
| 02:08.37 | Semlar | but you'd still have to trim off a percentage of that |
| 02:11.25 | SuperPortia|roam | So how do you change text color in a string for use in GameTooltip:SetText() or GameTooltip:AddText() |
| 02:12.02 | SuperPortia|roam | Without changing the whole line? |
| 02:12.09 | Semlar | what color |
| 02:12.28 | SuperPortia|roam | RBG? |
| 02:12.30 | SuperPortia|roam | RGB? |
| 02:12.50 | Semlar | you'd add |cffff0000text|r |
| 02:12.50 | SuperPortia|roam | The yellow they use for labels. |
| 02:13.04 | Semlar | |cffffff00text|r or something |
| 02:13.23 | Semlar | i don't know what that yellow is |
| 02:13.49 | Semlar | i think it might be less green |
| 02:14.03 | kd3 | sec |
| 02:14.25 | kd3 | ffd51700 |
| 02:14.34 | Semlar | either way, color string is |cff then a hex value of the color |
| 02:14.43 | Semlar | so |cffd51700text|r i guess |
| 02:14.54 | Semlar | |r just tells it to stop coloring things |
| 02:14.59 | kd3 | is it argb or rgba? |
| 02:15.04 | SuperPortia|roam | ff being the alpha channel? |
| 02:15.10 | Semlar | alpha comes first but it doesn't do anything as far as i know |
| 02:15.19 | kd3 | oh, ffffd517 |
| 02:15.34 | SuperPortia|roam | It just keeps coming out red. |
| 02:15.44 | kd3 | my default mode is rgba, not argb |
| 02:15.48 | Semlar | my first example was red |
| 02:16.29 | SuperPortia|roam | So was kd3's |
| 02:16.35 | Semlar | try |cffffd517 |
| 02:16.43 | SuperPortia|roam | His second one was correct. |
| 02:16.54 | SuperPortia|roam | Yeah that oen |
| 02:17.01 | kd3 | yeah. I dunno where the 00 came from |
| 02:17.17 | Semlar | behind you |
| 02:17.27 | Semlar | it's always the last place you look |
| 02:19.29 | SuperPortia|roam | It doesn't seem like mounts have any sort of description. |
| 02:19.34 | SuperPortia|roam | Unlike pets. |
| 02:19.48 | kd3 | description like the pets get in the pet journal? |
| 02:20.12 | kd3 | wow, lagging. yeah, mounts don't get that |
| 02:20.36 | Arazon | Hey do I need to be trimming the invis end every time I call settexcoords? If I call settexcoords to update the stat texture and use 1 as a parameter for the right end, will the transparent part come back to bite me? |
| 02:21.08 | Semlar | uh |
| 02:21.19 | Semlar | calling it on a different texture? |
| 02:21.25 | Arazon | No same texture |
| 02:21.44 | Semlar | why would you call it on the same texture again |
| 02:22.13 | Semlar | yes if you call it again it's not going to be what it was |
| 02:22.31 | Arazon | Because every time my Unit health event fires, I update my texture to be a different size. |
| 02:23.21 | Semlar | you're going to have to take into account the part you don't want for the new size |
| 02:23.54 | Arazon | kk |
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| 02:35.39 | SuperPortia|roam | Locals declared at the outermost scope are local to the file correct? |
| 02:36.16 | Semlar | yes |
| 02:38.23 | pompy | Zootfizzle was in here earlier? |
| 02:38.31 | Cairenn | yes\ |
| 02:38.50 | Cairenn | -\ |
| 02:38.51 | kd3 | ouch, and I missed him? bah |
| 02:39.12 | pompy | (12/9/2012 8:05:30 PM) Zootfizzle left the room (quit: Quit: Zootfizzle). |
| 02:39.47 | pompy | you typed something 3 mins after that kd3! lol. |
| 02:40.55 | SuperPortia|roam | How do you set a global? I was thinking of putting the data dump into it's own file where it just sets it's one value so I can use it elsewhere. |
| 02:41.31 | Semlar | by not putting local in front of it |
| 02:42.05 | SuperPortia|roam | And then making sure it's earlier in the TOC file? |
| 02:42.22 | Semlar | you can also make it local to the addon and accessible from the other files |
| 02:42.30 | SuperPortia|roam | Ah, how do you do that? |
| 02:42.37 | pompy | LOL so today at work someone asked me about a cisco router she was holding, and she thought that acts as her ISP provider directly ... I'm like "No, you need a cable modem" .... |
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| 02:42.57 | pompy | and shes like "A friend told me that linksys has a free site".. |
| 02:42.59 | Semlar | at the top of you file you can put something like local addonName, addonTable = ... |
| 02:43.21 | SuperPortia|roam | Oh that's useful. |
| 02:43.24 | pompy | i look at her like ummm... and now i know why her idiot friend thought that! http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080102121917AAiH046 |
| 02:43.25 | Semlar | and then you can put whatever in addonTable |
| 02:43.33 | Semlar | and it's accessible from the other files |
| 02:43.50 | Semlar | but you still want to do sanity checks |
| 02:43.55 | SuperPortia|roam | But I shouldn't declare the table more than once. |
| 02:44.16 | Semlar | you're just pulling out a reference to it from ... |
| 02:44.47 | SuperPortia|roam | I swear more bugs originate from me doing self. instead of self: |
| 02:45.18 | Zootfizzle | burps up some sprockets. |
| 02:45.19 | Semlar | the colon passes a reference of itself to the function |
| 02:45.30 | kd3 | gasps |
| 02:45.33 | Semlar | the period doesn't |
| 02:46.14 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:46.35 | Zootfizzle | Good evening ^_^ |
| 02:46.49 | kd3 | zoot! |
| 02:46.49 | Semlar | superportia: http://www.wowpedia.org/Lua_variable_scoping might have something useful in it |
| 02:46.53 | Cairenn | smoogles Zootfizzle some more |
| 02:48.01 | Zootfizzle | gives Cairenn a big hug. |
| 02:48.05 | Zootfizzle | Heya kd3 :) |
| 02:48.13 | kd3 | heyo zoot |
| 02:48.14 | Arazon | ~lart Zootfizzle |
| 02:48.14 | purl | strangles Zootfizzle with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 02:48.58 | SuperPortia|roam | Anyone else use IntelliJ Idea for their development? |
| 02:49.40 | Zootfizzle | goes parallel to survive |
| 02:51.00 | kd3 | holy crap - native hl2. I never would've imagined the day |
| 02:51.05 | Zootfizzle | Long time no see :D |
| 02:51.17 | kd3 | indeed |
| 02:52.26 | Arazon | http://imgur.com/5qtxm is what I get when I input a percent value of 0.4. That grey bar represents 40% of health. It's approximately correct. What sucks is that even though I got the perfect sized grey bar, it shifts over about a quarter inch. |
| 02:53.31 | SuperPortia|roam | Semlar, where did you get the item quality data? |
| 02:53.43 | SuperPortia|roam | It's almost exactly right except for the store-bought mounts. |
| 02:53.47 | Semlar | the armory |
| 02:53.51 | SuperPortia|roam | Interesting |
| 02:54.00 | Semlar | it doesn't matter you can make an item link in game |
| 02:54.15 | SuperPortia|roam | I was using it to color the border of the icon |
| 02:54.17 | Semlar | i only included it because you said some of the mounts that were spells were different qualities |
| 02:54.23 | SuperPortia|roam | Similar to how they're doing now with the pet journal. |
| 02:54.40 | Semlar | since you have the item id you can pull the quality out of that |
| 02:54.45 | SuperPortia|roam | Ah |
| 02:54.52 | Semlar | with GetItemInfo |
| 02:55.41 | SuperPortia|roam | Point. |
| 02:57.40 | SuperPortia|roam | What about items that return nil for quality? |
| 02:58.01 | kd3 | ...they shouldn't? |
| 02:58.09 | Semlar | i don't think that's possible, but fall back on common |
| 02:58.29 | SuperPortia|roam | Are the item qualities global constants? |
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| 02:58.35 | Semlar | yes |
| 02:58.36 | Zootfizzle | If an item returns nil for quality then your client is about to crash |
| 02:58.49 | Zootfizzle | and your UI extension probably won't matter xD |
| 03:01.04 | Semlar | i'm using local color = ITEM_QUALITY_COLORS[quality] |
| 03:01.22 | Semlar | then just color.r, color.g, color.b |
| 03:02.04 | pompy | dafuq .. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101003030710AAPnDwz jena's response |
| 03:04.19 | Zootfizzle | Well |
| 03:04.23 | Zootfizzle | Maybe the mouse had lasers |
| 03:04.27 | Zootfizzle | Things with lasers can explode |
| 03:04.36 | Zootfizzle | Especially if the lasers are made of cogs |
| 03:04.47 | Zootfizzle | ~whaleslap cogwheel |
| 03:04.48 | purl | ACTION beats cogwheel upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 03:05.09 | kd3 | ...which reminds me, where the hell is he? |
| 03:05.20 | Zootfizzle | Right? |
| 03:07.05 | pompy | new job |
| 03:08.13 | pompy | lol http://www.wowhead.com/npc=28374/zootfizzle#comments:id=345511 |
| 03:08.39 | Zootfizzle | ANYTHING BUT THE COGS~! |
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| 03:11.10 | SuperPortia|roam | Finally got my god dambed baby ape |
| 03:12.31 | Ressy | Cog was on battle.net earlier. |
| 03:19.03 | pompy | are you sure? it says "last online 43 years ago" !!! |
| 03:20.41 | kd3 | ah, gotta love not testing for the epoch |
| 03:21.54 | kd3 | I guess it'd be an "epoch fail"? |
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| 03:22.32 | Zootfizzle | ._. |
| 03:25.19 | SuperPortia|roam | SetParent is protected? |
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| 03:26.35 | SuperPortia|roam | I gotta stop doing that. |
| 03:32.08 | SuperPortia|roam | Why would GetItemInfo return nil after a scroll event? |
| 03:32.13 | SuperPortia|roam | Even given the same index? |
| 03:32.40 | SuperPortia|roam | Specifically for quality? |
| 03:33.26 | Semlar | you may need to precache the item |
| 03:33.38 | SuperPortia|roam | ah |
| 03:33.49 | Semlar | the information is not necessarily available the first time you call it |
| 03:34.03 | SuperPortia|roam | If nil, then call it again? |
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| 03:35.12 | SuperPortia|roam | Is there a better way of pre-caching it? |
| 03:35.26 | Arrowmaster | kd3: i just got an email worse than one youre patch diffs, a notification that the debian bug i submitted has been closed and it lists every package updated as part of the patch, all 1015 of them |
| 03:35.39 | Semlar | i was thinking maybe make a tooltip and go through and fill it with each item on the list |
| 03:35.58 | Semlar | i'm not sure what the best way to do this is |
| 03:36.11 | Semlar | this isn't something i've had to deal with before |
| 03:36.13 | SuperPortia|roam | I think requesting it caches it |
| 03:36.32 | Semlar | but you don't know how long until the information is available |
| 03:36.46 | Semlar | it's probably not going to be right after the first call |
| 03:36.57 | Semlar | but maybe |
| 03:38.06 | Semlar | do you still have to click an item's link twice to get the tooltip to show the first time you see it |
| 03:38.30 | Semlar | the first time you click it it requests the information but never shows the tooltip |
| 03:38.51 | SuperPortia|roam | Actually it errors out because the data returned blows up the code. |
| 03:39.00 | Semlar | i'm talking about item links in the chat |
| 03:39.10 | Semlar | if it's an item you haven't seen it won't be cached |
| 03:40.17 | Semlar | you click it.. nothing happens |
| 03:40.23 | Semlar | you click it again and you get a tooltip |
| 03:42.02 | Semlar | i've just been using a tooltip to force the cache in my addon |
| 03:42.18 | Semlar | so when you go to hover over the items it works the first time |
| 03:42.42 | Neffi | I used to have code that did this, but I cant find it |
| 03:42.53 | Zootfizzle | If I had a time machine, I would go back and add an event for you |
| 03:43.15 | Zootfizzle | Unfortunately my time machine designs all require cogs, which are notoriously unreliable |
| 03:43.15 | Semlar | it's basically just tooltip:SetHyperlink('item:'..itemid) |
| 03:43.16 | Neffi | Hidden tooltip. OnUpdate that regularly sets a new item ID to the tooltip, waits for it to finish loading, and then sets another. |
| 03:43.41 | Semlar | i use OnTooltipSetItem to call the next one |
| 03:43.47 | SuperPortia|roam | My first attempt crashed the client |
| 03:43.51 | wereHamster | dosent' the server disconnect you if you try to fetch an item which the server hasn't seen yet? |
| 03:43.55 | Zootfizzle | ^^^ |
| 03:43.59 | Semlar | no |
| 03:43.59 | Neffi | Semlar: that happens after the item info is filled in, or when :SetHyperlink is called? |
| 03:44.07 | wereHamster | Semlar: that must be new. |
| 03:44.12 | Neffi | It does? never used to |
| 03:44.25 | Semlar | what are the odds the server hasn't cached a mount anyway |
| 03:44.26 | SuperPortia|roam | It does for certain thing |
| 03:44.31 | Neffi | But I did have to throttle it to like 2 seconds otherwise it would DC for traffic |
| 03:44.41 | SuperPortia|roam | I think they wanted to prevent you from linking items you hadn't seen. |
| 03:44.45 | Zootfizzle | ^^^ |
| 03:44.49 | SuperPortia|roam | The mount item, not the mount |
| 03:44.57 | Semlar | i'm like 90% sure you won't crash the client scanning tooltips |
| 03:44.58 | wereHamster | SuperPortia|roam: not you only, but the whole server. |
| 03:45.03 | Semlar | i did a huge amount of tooltip scanning a while ago |
| 03:45.11 | Neffi | i'll go test it |
| 03:45.22 | Neffi | what's the highest item ID? |
| 03:45.26 | Semlar | that being said, it could have all been cached |
| 03:45.37 | pompy | http://www.wowace.com/addons/querier/ |
| 03:45.41 | Semlar | so i can't say for sure |
| 03:48.02 | Neffi | it's sad that my lvl 50 horde with no main on the server has 4 times as much gold as my 2 90s combined |
| 03:48.14 | Neffi | economies can vary so much |
| 03:48.37 | Semlar | do you have an item on hand that might disconnect me? |
| 03:49.35 | pompy | damnit Arrowmaster! , i lost scratch and match teh last two days |
| 03:51.05 | Semlar | http://www.wowdb.com/items/77497-winning-ticket this worked fine |
| 03:51.19 | Semlar | i don't even know what this is |
| 03:51.43 | Semlar | http://www.wowdb.com/items/49355-winning-ticket here's another one, tried on the ptr, didn't disconnect me |
| 03:51.57 | Semlar | what are the odds that's cached |
| 03:53.59 | Semlar | i need an item that's not even available in game |
| 03:54.51 | Neffi | item:1 |
| 03:55.12 | Semlar | not a valid item but just says retrieving item information |
| 03:55.37 | Semlar | http://www.wowdb.com/items/36942-frostmourne this worked fine too |
| 03:56.11 | Semlar | okay, i'm pretty sure item links can't disconnect you |
| 03:56.29 | Semlar | i tried a dozen items that aren't even obtainable and they loaded the tooltip |
| 03:57.25 | Semlar | just doing GameTooltip:SetHyperlink('item:'..id) |
| 03:58.26 | Semlar | HA SUCCESS! |
| 03:58.38 | Semlar | i managed to crash it |
| 03:58.56 | Semlar | item:70000000000000 |
| 03:59.56 | Semlar | it's weird because being an invalid item isn't enough |
| 04:00.27 | Semlar | it worked up until /script GameTooltip:SetHyperlink('item:10000000000000') that many zeros |
| 04:01.24 | Neffi | maybe you overflowed something |
| 04:01.46 | SuperPortia|roam | Does anyone know if the cache gets flushed? |
| 04:01.54 | pompy | patch days |
| 04:02.07 | pompy | or if u delete the files yourself |
| 04:02.37 | Semlar | so like all the time for people looking for rares |
| 04:03.13 | Semlar | they clear out their cache so npcscan will work |
| 04:05.01 | Semlar | the cache i think expires after a certain amount of time but i'm not sure about that |
| 04:05.15 | Semlar | if it does it's many days |
| 04:08.13 | SuperPortia|roam | Semlar: it is possible the PTR has different rules than the active game servers. |
| 04:08.26 | pompy | karl_w_w: lawl http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/more-news/11081-police-concerned-with-apple-ios-6-mapping-system.html |
| 04:10.03 | SuperPortia|roam | I take it we can't listen to cache population event |
| 04:10.07 | SuperPortia|roam | events |
| 04:10.20 | karl_w_w | hahah |
| 04:10.22 | Neffi | indirectly |
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| 04:11.14 | SuperPortia|roam | So we have a hackish way to do it, but Blizzard hasn't provided a direct way to do it. |
| 04:11.24 | SuperPortia|roam | They must be doing it themselves in the client. |
| 04:11.25 | Neffi | nope |
| 04:11.43 | Semlar | okay i almost just crashed my computer doing that |
| 04:14.43 | Semlar | as long as you keep the item id even remotely within the maximum number of items in the game it should be fine |
| 04:16.24 | Semlar | is this all just for the quality? |
| 04:16.24 | SuperPortia|roam | What's the maximum stack size? |
| 04:16.36 | SuperPortia|roam | Also the name of the item |
| 04:16.41 | Semlar | i've seen at least 250 |
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| 04:17.04 | Semlar | arrows used to be.. a lot |
| 04:20.18 | SuperPortia|roam | Is there only the one GameTooltip? |
| 04:20.53 | Semlar | you can make your own |
| 04:21.14 | Semlar | there are several in the interface but you shouldn't use them |
| 04:21.31 | SuperPortia|roam | How do you make your own? |
| 04:21.43 | wereHamster | CreateFrame ? |
| 04:23.56 | bleeter | oh my haha apparently some police forces in australia are issuing warning about apple maps 'coz they're tired of rescuing people who get completely lost haha |
| 04:24.31 | Semlar | you make a frame of GameTooltip type that inherits GameTooltipTemplate |
| 04:24.40 | SuperPortia|roam | Gotcha |
| 04:25.51 | Semlar | how do you get so lost that you need rescuing |
| 04:25.59 | Neffi | doesnt necessarily need to inherit the template |
| 04:26.17 | Neffi | if you're using the tip for behind-the-scenes shit (caching), then make your own. If not, use GameTooltip. |
| 04:26.42 | Neffi | It annoys me to no end when addons make their own tooltip for no reason. My cursor isn't going to over 2 things at once, and it makes tweaking existing tooltips a nightmare. |
| 04:27.39 | SuperPortia|roam | Do you have to give a frame a name? |
| 04:27.42 | SuperPortia|roam | You don't right? |
| 04:27.46 | Semlar | as long as you don't need anything out of it i guess you can not inherit the template, i'm assuming it'll still cache correctly |
| 04:28.11 | Semlar | you're just requesting information from the server |
| 04:28.58 | Semlar | you shouldn't need a name if you aren't doing anything with it |
| 04:29.26 | Semlar | if you wanted text out of it you'd name it so you could reference the font strings |
| 04:29.39 | Semlar | unless you wanted to just iterate over the regions |
| 04:30.31 | SuperPortia|roam | local tooltip = CreateFrame('TOOLTIP')? |
| 04:30.41 | Semlar | gametooltip |
| 04:31.00 | SuperPortia|roam | case sensitive? |
| 04:31.03 | Semlar | no |
| 04:32.54 | Arazon | http://mattiesworld.gotdns.org/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/lolcats-funny-picture-my-feet.jpg |
| 04:34.51 | Semlar | OnTooltipSetItem also won't fire if the item doesn't exist |
| 04:35.00 | Semlar | i think |
| 04:35.25 | Semlar | i take that back, it fires anyway |
| 04:35.51 | Semlar | it didn't work for spells :\ |
| 04:36.21 | Semlar | or maybe it was quests |
| 04:37.22 | Semlar | this is all you need local tooltip = CreateFrame('gametooltip') tooltip:SetScript('OnTooltipSetItem', function() print('item set!') end) |
| 04:37.47 | SuperPortia|roam | For me? |
| 04:38.06 | Semlar | that appears to be the minimum requirements to cache an item |
| 04:38.14 | Semlar | using a tooltip |
| 04:38.31 | SuperPortia|roam | I at some point, need to actually SetHyperlink right? |
| 04:38.42 | Semlar | then you just go tooltip:SetHyperlink('item:'..id') and when it loads it fires that event |
| 04:38.56 | Semlar | presumably |
| 04:39.46 | SuperPortia|roam | Something like: http://pastebin.com/wcqJLdVJ |
| 04:40.00 | Semlar | it's possible that event fires the second you call sethyperlink but it probably waits until it loads the item |
| 04:40.12 | SuperPortia|roam | Where OnUpdate becomes OnTooltipSetItem? |
| 04:41.50 | Semlar | you could probably just use next() on the list of item ids inside OnTooltipSetItem until it returns nil |
| 04:41.51 | SuperPortia|roam | And I fix the removal code. |
| 04:42.04 | SuperPortia|roam | table.next() ? |
| 04:42.15 | Semlar | next |
| 04:43.01 | Semlar | hang on |
| 04:45.40 | Semlar | eh, nevermind you should probably just use what you have |
| 04:45.49 | SuperPortia|roam | Why's that? |
| 04:46.15 | SuperPortia|roam | Responding to OnTooltipSetItem crashes the client. |
| 04:46.59 | Semlar | you probably have an infinite loop |
| 04:47.24 | SuperPortia|roam | I'm guessing OnSetTooltipItem doesn't wait. |
| 04:47.46 | Semlar | you can try it onupdate but you need a timeout |
| 04:48.03 | Semlar | wait like half a second or something |
| 04:48.20 | SuperPortia|roam | Why and how so? |
| 04:48.35 | SuperPortia|roam | And while my code doesn't crash the client, it also doesn't work. |
| 04:48.40 | Semlar | because onupdate is definitely not going to wait |
| 04:49.04 | Semlar | it's just going to sethyperlink as fast as it can and nothing is going to get cached |
| 04:49.12 | bleeter | cheers @ Esamynn|Away and runs around doing kermit arms and making happy noises |
| 04:49.30 | SuperPortia|roam | I thought OnUpdate was fired when the content was showing. |
| 04:49.40 | Semlar | onupdate fires every frame |
| 04:50.05 | SuperPortia|roam | Like my game runs 60 frames a second... frame? |
| 04:50.10 | Semlar | yes |
| 04:51.13 | Semlar | you can make it wait by adding a variable above the onupdate setscript like local lastUpdate = 0 |
| 04:51.34 | Semlar | then change 'OnUpdate', function() to 'OnUpdate', function(self, elapsed) |
| 04:51.49 | Semlar | add lastUpdate = lastUpdate + elapsed |
| 04:52.04 | Semlar | and if lastUpdate > 0.5 then lastUpdate = 0 with your code in this block end |
| 04:52.57 | Semlar | elapsed contains how much time since the last OnUpdate so we just add it up and when it's more than half a second we reset it to 0 |
| 04:53.50 | Semlar | if i were debugging this i would probably be inheriting gametooltiptemplate just so i could see if the tooltip were actually being populated |
| 04:55.48 | SuperPortia|roam | And actually showing it or something? |
| 04:56.02 | Semlar | just printing out its first line |
| 04:56.05 | SuperPortia|roam | That's a really long time to load all the items though. |
| 04:56.22 | SuperPortia|roam | At 0.5 seconds over 400 mounts |
| 04:56.24 | Semlar | you could create like 50 tooltips and load them all at once |
| 04:56.28 | bleeter | kisses Esamynn|Away |
| 04:56.47 | Semlar | i make a scanner go through every quest in the game that way |
| 04:57.15 | Semlar | probably not a great way to do this |
| 04:57.39 | SuperPortia|roam | I can probably do this on demand. |
| 04:58.54 | SuperPortia|roam | If I drop the border, I can basically just show the real popup as soon as the data loads. |
| 04:59.33 | Semlar | i have to wait for every item from the EJ to load, each one fires an event |
| 05:00.29 | Semlar | it would be a lot like refreshing the list for every OnTooltipSetItem |
| 05:01.15 | Semlar | but since you have a giant database for these items you might as well store it |
| 05:01.30 | SuperPortia|roam | I can do that. |
| 05:01.50 | SuperPortia|roam | Basically once I see an item, I can dump it's information into the database |
| 05:02.21 | Semlar | give me an example of an item that the armory is wrong about |
| 05:02.40 | SuperPortia|roam | In terms of item quality? |
| 05:02.49 | Semlar | you said some of the items had the wrong quality |
| 05:04.22 | SuperPortia|roam | the ones from the store |
| 05:04.31 | Semlar | i don't know the mounts |
| 05:04.49 | Semlar | just give me the name of one |
| 05:04.54 | SuperPortia|roam | Heart of the Aspects, Winged Guardian, Celestial Steed |
| 05:05.06 | SuperPortia|roam | They're all coming over as uncommon |
| 05:05.07 | Semlar | what's in the database for thq ality |
| 05:05.10 | Semlar | okay |
| 05:05.16 | SuperPortia|roam | When the armory lists them as rare on the mounts page and on the item page |
| 05:05.25 | SuperPortia|roam | It's weird. |
| 05:05.54 | Semlar | the entries are in the wrong order |
| 05:06.08 | Semlar | i had to restructure parts of the database using regex and it ignored the lines with negative numbers |
| 05:06.31 | Semlar | so [75614]={-1,54811,10,4,2,31958}, should be [75614]={-1,54811,31958,10,4,2}, or something |
| 05:07.12 | Semlar | all of them apparently have -1 for the creature id |
| 05:07.18 | SuperPortia|roam | ah |
| 05:10.55 | Semlar | http://semlar.com/mounts.txt this should probably be right now |
| 05:11.30 | SuperPortia|roam | Can I get that as a straight up array where spellID is the first entry? |
| 05:11.40 | SuperPortia|roam | self.raw = { --spellID, creatureID, itemID, displayID, Source[source], Quality[quality], Type[type]} {26656,15711,21176,15676,11,5,1}, |
| 05:11.42 | Semlar | spellid is the key |
| 05:12.19 | Semlar | you just want an array of tables? |
| 05:12.26 | SuperPortia|roam | Yes please. |
| 05:12.30 | SuperPortia|roam | I do everything by index. |
| 05:12.36 | SuperPortia|roam | Only one thing is by spellID |
| 05:13.07 | SuperPortia|roam | I used your approach of just changing my usage of GetNumCompanions and GetCompanionInfo to include the larger range. |
| 05:13.09 | Semlar | shouldn't you just have a table of [index] = spellID for lookups? |
| 05:13.34 | SuperPortia|roam | I did it the other way around. I make an index for spellID, but I'm not even sure I use that. |
| 05:13.48 | Semlar | you never need to look up information by spellID? |
| 05:13.57 | SuperPortia|roam | Very, very rarely. |
| 05:14.07 | SuperPortia|roam | I only think it's in like one place. |
| 05:14.18 | SuperPortia|roam | I cache most of the data instead. |
| 05:14.27 | SuperPortia|roam | Since I have to keep parsing it out. |
| 05:16.50 | SuperPortia|roam | The only thing I use it for is to see if a mount you have isn't in our list... and to check to see if you're a favorite, but I don't actually look anything up then. I just toggle an entry. |
| 05:20.15 | Semlar | jesus christ the regex implementation in this editor is buggy |
| 05:20.29 | SuperPortia|roam | I like RegexBuddy |
| 05:20.40 | Semlar | i would just dump this all into an array, but this doesn't work |
| 05:21.03 | SuperPortia|roam | I'll do it manually. It wasn't that hard the first time. |
| 05:21.04 | Semlar | it's not actually capturing the first group |
| 05:21.11 | Semlar | it's just deleting it |
| 05:21.26 | Semlar | i don't know why i'm still using ultraedit |
| 05:21.30 | Semlar | this is garbage |
| 05:21.32 | SuperPortia|roam | Ugh |
| 05:21.39 | SuperPortia|roam | IntelliJ works well |
| 05:21.47 | SuperPortia|roam | Vistual Studio works well for its languages. |
| 05:21.57 | Semlar | i normally use notepad++ |
| 05:22.27 | Semlar | this stupid editor doesn't use regex, it uses its own implementation of it |
| 05:23.18 | Semlar | that being said, it's MATCHING the string but not capturing it which shouldn't even be possible |
| 05:23.37 | SuperPortia|roam | done |
| 05:24.08 | SuperPortia|roam | ok, that worked |
| 05:24.21 | SuperPortia|roam | They're showing up correctly from source data. |
| 05:24.33 | SuperPortia|roam | I may keep that cached so that I can look it up properly. |
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| 05:43.43 | Semlar | i have a cold and my head is killin me |
| 05:44.07 | Semlar | it should just finish the job |
| 05:44.12 | SuperPortia|roam | It's almost 1am. Sleep isn't out of the realm of a logical response. |
| 05:44.26 | Semlar | can't breathe right |
| 05:44.48 | Semlar | i have a hard time sleeping anyway |
| 05:50.16 | Semlar | if you want to play with it, i wrote a very experimental script for caching a list of ids http://pastebin.com/ea3dMmzB |
| 05:50.56 | Semlar | you can just do /script StartScanning() and see what it outputs |
| 05:52.11 | Semlar | i have to strongly advise against getting sick |
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| 05:52.35 | SuperPortia|roam | This syntax I'm not familiar with: local ids,i,v = {82888,1,82878,2,82772,3} |
| 05:52.42 | Semlar | oh, sorry |
| 05:52.52 | Semlar | ids is the table that's there |
| 05:53.01 | SuperPortia|roam | i and v are nil? |
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| 05:53.07 | Semlar | the other two are variables i want to declare in the local scope |
| 05:53.12 | SuperPortia|roam | Gotcha |
| 05:53.17 | Semlar | so i can increment them in the functions |
| 05:53.21 | SuperPortia|roam | I figured that's what it had to be, but I didn't want to presume. |
| 05:53.22 | Semlar | and they all access the same value |
| 05:53.40 | Semlar | it's just the same as saying local i, v |
| 05:53.44 | SuperPortia|roam | Gotcha. |
| 05:53.56 | Semlar | which aren't very descriptive variables as it is |
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| 05:54.02 | SuperPortia|roam | index, value |
| 05:54.07 | Semlar | yer |
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| 05:54.24 | Semlar | okay the way next works is it takes two values, a table and an index |
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| 05:54.38 | Semlar | and it returns the index and value of the next item in the list |
| 05:54.50 | SuperPortia|roam | or nil if it doesn't exist? |
| 05:54.53 | Semlar | if you don't give next an index it starts at the beginning |
| 05:55.07 | Semlar | in no particular order, i might add |
| 05:55.19 | SuperPortia|roam | Basically you get doesn't exist, but I'm firing anyways for all of them. |
| 05:55.27 | Semlar | next is basically what pairs uses internally |
| 05:55.51 | Semlar | all of them? |
| 05:55.55 | Semlar | it should only be every other one |
| 05:56.04 | SuperPortia|roam | all of them |
| 05:56.07 | Semlar | interesting |
| 05:56.12 | SuperPortia|roam | The second time worked |
| 05:56.20 | SuperPortia|roam | I don't think it waits. |
| 05:56.21 | Semlar | so it must fire before it's actually cached |
| 05:56.28 | SuperPortia|roam | Looks like it. |
| 05:56.34 | SuperPortia|roam | Just when it's set. |
| 05:56.54 | SuperPortia|roam | Requesting the item via GetItemInfo() also seemed to cache it. |
| 05:57.13 | Semlar | if that works you can just call getiteminfo on the entire list |
| 05:57.22 | SuperPortia|roam | Oh yeah |
| 05:57.28 | SuperPortia|roam | Let me try that. |
| 05:57.30 | Semlar | it would be way the hell simpler |
| 05:59.10 | Semlar | although i still want to know exactly when the information becomes available |
| 05:59.57 | SuperPortia|roam | Ok, it still threw errors in one case. |
| 06:00.25 | SuperPortia|roam | Fellsteed |
| 06:00.32 | Semlar | no item |
| 06:01.09 | SuperPortia|roam | Same for the paladin mounts |
| 06:01.27 | Semlar | all of their items are -1 in the database |
| 06:01.30 | Semlar | you can just ignore those |
| 06:03.28 | SuperPortia|roam | quality 2 is normal I think |
| 06:03.56 | SuperPortia|roam | apparently 1 is normal |
| 06:03.57 | Semlar | okay the only way i can think of legitimately figuring out that the tooltip has been set is through onupdate |
| 06:04.23 | Semlar | and just checking that it's been populated or using :GetItem() |
| 06:04.33 | SuperPortia|roam | Ok, if the itemID is -1, then quality is 1 otherwise I grab it. |
| 06:04.56 | SuperPortia|roam | Calling GetItemInfo() for each one in the add-on load process caches all the items though. |
| 06:05.02 | SuperPortia|roam | Seems to work great. |
| 06:05.15 | Semlar | so you just call it 400 times at once and they all work |
| 06:05.21 | SuperPortia|roam | Yeah |
| 06:05.26 | Semlar | i really would have expected it to require some throttling |
| 06:05.28 | SuperPortia|roam | Gotta go dump the cache and try again to make sure. |
| 06:05.48 | Semlar | does it lock the game up at all |
| 06:05.50 | SuperPortia|roam | I imagine the cache gets queued up |
| 06:05.56 | SuperPortia|roam | It's probably asynch |
| 06:06.12 | Semlar | the quests i was scanning for would disconnect me if i requested too many at once |
| 06:06.15 | SuperPortia|roam | I request it, it realizes it's not there and adds it to a worker queue to be pulled from the server. |
| 06:06.26 | Semlar | or started returning nothing |
| 06:06.34 | SuperPortia|roam | Well I was going to try dumping my cache and see what happened. |
| 06:06.49 | SuperPortia|roam | I don't care if it returns nothing, because that's not the point at which I want the data. |
| 06:07.07 | Semlar | right |
| 06:07.29 | SuperPortia|roam | So how do I delete my cache? |
| 06:07.48 | Semlar | you can just delete the cache folder |
| 06:07.50 | SuperPortia|roam | Just the item cache preferrably |
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| 06:08.03 | Semlar | there an item.something or other |
| 06:08.18 | SuperPortia|roam | Item.adb |
| 06:08.20 | Semlar | it's either the itemtextcache.wdb in the wdb folder |
| 06:08.35 | Semlar | or the ones in the adb folder |
| 06:08.43 | Semlar | i think it's the wdb.. |
| 06:08.57 | Semlar | but it's probably both |
| 06:09.02 | SuperPortia|roam | I deleted them all |
| 06:09.24 | Semlar | was the game closed when you did it |
| 06:09.30 | Semlar | because it'll just rewrite them if it wasn't |
| 06:09.31 | SuperPortia|roam | yes |
| 06:10.11 | SuperPortia|roam | Seemed to work |
| 06:10.18 | Semlar | that's good enough for me! |
| 06:10.28 | SuperPortia|roam | Just to be on the safe side of the test, I'll delete the whole thing |
| 06:11.37 | SuperPortia|roam | If this works it'll be quite amazing in it's simplicity |
| 06:11.58 | SuperPortia|roam | Yep, worked no problem even with a new cache. |
| 06:12.25 | SuperPortia|roam | Though I suppose 400 isn't that big a number for the number of items requested. |
| 06:12.32 | SuperPortia|roam | That's basically the guild bank |
| 06:12.38 | Semlar | good to know |
| 06:12.57 | SuperPortia|roam | Oh and I managed to not crash or bug out learning a new mount. It showed up like it was supposed to. |
| 06:13.34 | Semlar | hurray! |
| 06:14.13 | SuperPortia|roam | http://imgur.com/cvKVB |
| 06:14.30 | SuperPortia|roam | It's getting there. |
| 06:14.46 | SuperPortia|roam | It should have pretty much all the features I wanted by Christmas. |
| 06:15.28 | SuperPortia|roam | I just wanted to get more information. I should have that to you shortly. |
| 06:16.02 | Semlar | you could make the tooltip show up when you hover over the mount name in the list since that doesn't really do anything right now |
| 06:16.26 | SuperPortia|roam | It shows the spell tooltip |
| 06:16.33 | Semlar | not for me |
| 06:16.37 | SuperPortia|roam | Hmm |
| 06:16.42 | Semlar | it only shows the spell tooltip if you hover over the icon |
| 06:16.43 | SuperPortia|roam | In the base client? |
| 06:16.47 | SuperPortia|roam | Oh |
| 06:17.23 | SuperPortia|roam | I'm debating changing the color of the name to match the quality. |
| 06:17.35 | Semlar | or you could just add those lines to the spell tooltip |
| 06:18.38 | SuperPortia|roam | Other than the data dump, the next difficult feature is probably going to be the mount/dismount code for a random mount or random favorite mount. |
| 06:20.07 | SuperPortia|roam | Again thanks for all your help. |
| 06:20.24 | Semlar | sure |
| 06:20.48 | SuperPortia|roam | I do get a weird bug where it just switches to the you don't have a riding skill for the display. |
| 06:21.01 | SuperPortia|roam | I'm guessing it's crapping out on the original code. |
| 06:21.05 | Semlar | probably |
| 06:21.30 | SuperPortia|roam | I think it's during the periodic updates that that control does on it's own. |
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| 06:23.28 | SuperPortia|roam | I'm assuming there's a way to determine if flying is something you can do where you're standing? |
| 06:23.35 | SuperPortia|roam | Or mounting for that matter? |
| 06:24.40 | pompy | !api flyable |
| 06:24.41 | lua_bot | IsFlyableArea: Returns whether flight is allowed on the continent where the player is currently located (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsFlyableArea) |
| 06:25.05 | SuperPortia|roam | !api swimable |
| 06:25.05 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'swimable'. |
| 06:25.14 | pompy | !api swim |
| 06:25.14 | lua_bot | IsSwimming: Returns whether the player is currently swimming (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsSwimming) |
| 06:28.54 | Semlar | well that's interesting |
| 06:29.05 | SuperPortia|roam | Selmar, grand wyvern and grand gryphon are causing problems in terms of type (they're all -1) |
| 06:29.23 | Semlar | i can call self:GetItem() in tooltip:SetScript('OnTooltipSetItem') but i can't call tooltip:GetItem() from another function and get it to return anything |
| 06:29.59 | Semlar | uhhhh |
| 06:30.09 | SuperPortia|roam | Also Grand Armored Gryphon and Grand Armored Wyvern |
| 06:30.21 | Semlar | well they transform from a ground mount to a flying one depending on your skill.. |
| 06:30.38 | SuperPortia|roam | Most of the flying mounts do. |
| 06:32.13 | Semlar | their type is also listed as 2 in the armory |
| 06:32.27 | SuperPortia|roam | Should be flying right? |
| 06:32.49 | SuperPortia|roam | [135416]={68771,93168,6,4,2,-1}, [135418]={68773,93169,6,4,2,-1}, |
| 06:32.51 | Semlar | it's just another problem with the negative number fucking up the regex |
| 06:32.56 | SuperPortia|roam | ok |
| 06:32.58 | Semlar | i should just regenerate the list |
| 06:33.07 | Semlar | the -1 should be in a different slot |
| 06:33.11 | Semlar | i don't know which.. |
| 06:33.21 | Semlar | but the rest should be moved over |
| 06:33.52 | Semlar | did you say you wanted more information |
| 06:34.06 | SuperPortia|roam | hmm? |
| 06:34.07 | Semlar | i'll probably put off scraping it again if you do |
| 06:34.20 | SuperPortia|roam | I do. |
| 06:34.43 | Semlar | if you can fix this yourself i think the -1 should be in the third slot |
| 06:34.59 | Semlar | either that or the second one |
| 06:35.09 | Semlar | hang on |
| 06:35.17 | SuperPortia|roam | I'm just making sure it wasn't something more than a regex thing |
| 06:35.30 | SuperPortia|roam | I can live with a few bugged entries for development. |
| 06:35.33 | Semlar | nah it's just the crappy editor i was using to match it |
| 06:36.14 | Semlar | i wanted to reorder the table without regenerating the whole list but that was apparently not a great idea |
| 06:36.57 | SuperPortia|roam | Ok |
| 06:37.22 | SuperPortia|roam | Can you do {1, 2, , 4, 6} or do you need to do { 1, 2, nil, 4, 6 }? |
| 06:37.48 | Semlar | it should be the third slot |
| 06:37.51 | Semlar | the display id is missing |
| 06:38.06 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you have to explicitly declare nil |
| 06:38.48 | Semlar | and i don't know what that would do to the index |
| 06:38.48 | SuperPortia|roam | third where spellID is slot 1? |
| 06:39.16 | Semlar | {68771,93168,6,4,2,-1}, should be {68771,93168,-1,6,4,2}, |
| 06:39.23 | Semlar | i believe the display id is missing |
| 06:39.44 | Semlar | particularly because it's not on wowhead |
| 06:39.59 | SuperPortia|roam | gotcha |
| 06:40.39 | SuperPortia|roam | They're not showing up still, but they're not throwing exceptions. I think that was it. |
| 06:40.54 | Semlar | they won't have models |
| 06:41.00 | SuperPortia|roam | I imagine not. |
| 06:41.07 | Semlar | the creature id is there though |
| 06:41.10 | SuperPortia|roam | No displayID to tell it which model |
| 06:41.14 | Semlar | you could attempt to use that |
| 06:41.28 | Semlar | of course it would only work if it were cached |
| 06:41.44 | SuperPortia|roam | I'm ok not showing the model for the mount no one has yet. |
| 06:41.50 | SuperPortia|roam | They're brand new. |
| 06:41.57 | SuperPortia|roam | You have to hit exalted for them and no one has yet. |
| 06:42.08 | Semlar | curious that the display id isn't there |
| 06:42.10 | SuperPortia|roam | When wowhead has them, we'll have them. |
| 06:42.11 | Semlar | i wonder how they get that |
| 06:42.31 | Semlar | actually i'm sure it's pulled out of the cache |
| 06:42.45 | Semlar | one of the wdb or adb files |
| 06:42.49 | SuperPortia|roam | Probably |
| 06:43.41 | SuperPortia|roam | How difficult is this file going to be to generate on a content-release basis? |
| 06:44.03 | SuperPortia|roam | So that when new content comes out, we can update the add-on within a day? |
| 06:44.16 | SuperPortia|roam | And not get irritated that we have to do it. |
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| 06:46.41 | Semlar | assuming nothing changes on the websites all it would take is running the script to generate the file |
| 06:46.57 | Semlar | if it has to be updated each time that could get annoying |
| 06:47.12 | Semlar | it's not that simple to parse everything |
| 06:47.54 | SuperPortia|roam | Well I suspect more and more will make its way into the armory api |
| 06:48.10 | SuperPortia|roam | Which will mean less time screen scraping and more time just grabbing the data. |
| 06:48.22 | Semlar | the only thing that isn't on the armory that's in there is the display id |
| 06:48.40 | Semlar | which means an extra page load for every single mount |
| 06:49.07 | Semlar | if i rewrote the script to take into account the existing database it wouldn't have to check for those |
| 06:49.18 | SuperPortia|roam | There may be a way around that, who knows. It's also possible it'll end up in the armory api eventually |
| 06:49.28 | SuperPortia|roam | True. |
| 06:49.40 | SuperPortia|roam | It's unlikely they'll change frequently enough to be a problem. |
| 06:49.56 | Semlar | how often do they add new mounts |
| 06:50.10 | SuperPortia|roam | Content patches... so every 3-6 months |
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| 06:53.30 | SuperPortia|roam | Alright, I gotta go to bed. |
| 06:53.41 | SuperPortia|roam | I'll talk to you tomorrow probably. |
| 06:53.49 | SuperPortia|roam | We'll get this out there. |
| 06:54.10 | Semlar | okay |
| 06:55.19 | SuperPortia|roam | 70 downloads and 5 favorites already. |
| 06:55.34 | Semlar | ^^ |
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| 08:12.22 | karl_w_w | so i once read this book right |
| 08:12.42 | karl_w_w | that's about a guy who's in the world but there's no colour anywhere |
| 08:12.48 | karl_w_w | and that's all i remember |
| 08:12.57 | karl_w_w | anyone know what book that is? :P |
| 08:13.04 | karl_w_w | it's quite dreary |
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| 08:20.19 | bluspacecow | sin city |
| 08:21.18 | zenzio | karl_w_w: any idea what genre? Year-ish? |
| 08:27.09 | karl_w_w | thriller i would say for genre |
| 08:27.25 | karl_w_w | young adult age range |
| 08:27.37 | karl_w_w | dont know the year, dont think it was a recent book when i read it ~7 years ago |
| 08:29.06 | karl_w_w | the guy wakes up (i think) and there's no colour in the world and iirc nobody can hear or see him |
| 08:29.20 | karl_w_w | and it gets worse |
| 08:30.47 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 08:30.59 | Mr_Rabies | can't start a battle with this battle trainer |
| 08:31.00 | Mr_Rabies | weird |
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| 09:07.51 | karl_w_w | is it the one in duskwood by any chance Mr_Rabies? |
| 09:09.05 | Mr_Rabies | northern STV |
| 09:09.10 | Mr_Rabies | did the duskwood one |
| 09:09.54 | stuf | i had the battle with the redridge mountains trainer, but didn't get the credit to the achievement :f |
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| 09:54.51 | karl_w_w | windows media player can't play aac files |
| 09:54.55 | karl_w_w | how awesome is that |
| 09:55.07 | nilyaK | what's aac? |
| 09:55.17 | karl_w_w | some newfangled thing |
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| 09:56.24 | nevcairiel | not really that new anymore |
| 09:57.38 | karl_w_w | 15 years old :P |
| 10:01.29 | bluspacecow | its a raw audio format. uncompressed afaik |
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| 10:07.48 | FailDrain | Hello I was wondering how I can make a button that shows and de-shows a window like a tabbed interface without the art that wow uses ? I just needs some ideas really and maybe a tutorial if possible thanks ! :D |
| 10:08.06 | FailDrain | btw chiptune music rules <3 |
| 10:11.21 | zenzio | it does indeed |
| 10:13.05 | FailDrain | zenzio: have you made a GUI with tabbs using user created art for most of the elements |
| 10:13.16 | zenzio | nope, sorry |
| 10:13.57 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7350165489 |
| 10:14.00 | bluspacecow | i think he mad |
| 10:21.58 | Mr_Rabies | P.S. MoP has been a lovely expansion minus this on-going issue. Go !@#$ yourselves with a knife. |
| 10:23.42 | bluspacecow | kk gym timwa |
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| 10:27.21 | Zootfizzle | yawns |
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| 10:29.22 | Zootfizzle | I'm pretty sure Blizzard wipes their asses with at least 5% of everyone's money. |
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| 10:32.51 | Zootfizzle | A series of packets waiting orderly in a queue? |
| 10:34.01 | nilyaK | hard to be orderly if they keep pushing eachother to get to the front |
| 10:34.23 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 10:35.04 | nilyaK | or did I misunderstand how queues work, maybe you pop them to get to the front, but that just sounds violent. |
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| 10:54.15 | nevcairiel | doesnt understand the confusion |
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| 11:54.21 | karl_w_w | schweppes lime flavoured soda water has something awesome about it |
| 11:54.28 | karl_w_w | just thought you should all know |
| 11:56.57 | Zootfizzle | Finally, my flavoured soda water factoid collection is complete!!!! |
| 11:57.00 | Zootfizzle | laughs maniacally |
| 11:57.03 | Zootfizzle | You have no idea what you have done! |
| 11:57.06 | Zootfizzle | What you have set in motion! |
| 11:57.11 | Zootfizzle | Foolish mortals~!!!!! |
| 11:57.13 | Zootfizzle | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 12:00.01 | karl_w_w | lol |
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| 12:07.12 | Zootfizzle | oh hi ;) |
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| 13:05.48 | karl_w_w | phone rings, i answer it. relative: my computer isn't working, i get an error message. me: what does it say? relative: i don't know. me: ... |
| 13:06.41 | karl_w_w | my preferred response: thanks for letting me know *click* |
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| 13:10.50 | Zootfizzle | fixes scripts and gives up on getting his video card to work |
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| 13:22.28 | Maldivia | karl_w_w: sounds like my relatives, when complaining something isn't working, "There was this dialog, and I pressed Yes", "What did the dialog say", "I don't know, I just pressed yes" |
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| 13:36.31 | Zootfizzle | Maldivia: How rude is that? It's called a dialog because your computer is trying to have a conversation, right? |
| 13:36.42 | Zootfizzle | tacklehugs Lopeppeppy |
| 13:36.43 | Fisker | hugs Zootfizzle |
| 13:37.21 | Zootfizzle | Heya Fisker :D |
| 13:37.24 | Zootfizzle | hugs Fisker |
| 13:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | snorgles Zootfizzle. |
| 13:37.47 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, how come you're never that nice to me, huh? All I get is stinkin' fish. It's an abomination! |
| 13:38.32 | Fisker | food > hugs |
| 13:38.39 | Zootfizzle | LOL |
| 13:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Well then. I stand corrected. Carry on. |
| 13:39.07 | Zootfizzle | Give a gnome a fish, you feed her for a week, after all... |
| 13:39.12 | Fisker | it's alright |
| 13:39.52 | Lopeppeppy | So this cranberry muffin should last me at least until lunch, right? |
| 13:41.09 | Lopeppeppy | Repeat after me: It is not acceptable to photoshop a professor's comb-over just because it makes me squiggly first thing in the morning. |
| 13:41.44 | Maldivia | Lopeppeppy: depends if you're found out or not |
| 13:42.10 | Zootfizzle | Lopeppeppy: Photoshop it to look like this http://www.belvideresd.org/hs/news/www/physics/einsteinfunny.jpg |
| 13:42.34 | Lopeppeppy | The resulting toupee would not look realistic, but it would be pretty damn funny. I should have my photoshop "drunk locked" until at least 10am. |
| 13:43.35 | Fisker | it's ok i'm a scientist |
| 13:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'll show ya after I post him... |
| 13:45.07 | alestane | ...Zoot! |
| 13:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | wards alestane off with a whiffle ball bat. |
| 13:46.01 | alestane | 'Sokay, Peppy, you can have the spot. |
| 13:46.23 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, but hey. I totally am mad at you anyway, alestane. You didn't recognize me when I was dreaming you at Arisia. So I'm going to wear pink bunny ears or something. |
| 13:46.55 | alestane | I will totally remember to be sensible in your next dream about me, Peppy. |
| 13:47.03 | Zootfizzle | Hi alestane ;) |
| 13:47.16 | alestane | Just as soon as I figure out how to have the slightest bit of influence over that. |
| 13:47.39 | Lopeppeppy | Good. I am content. Wearing pink bunny ears when I dream is hard. |
| 13:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.skidmore.edu/ First story, guy in the mustard shirt. I successfully cropped the photo so his hair is Not Appearing in This Film! |
| 13:48.29 | alestane | Excuse me for a minute, I have to go finish putting up blinkies. |
| 13:49.13 | alestane | And without making it obvious that you were trying to crop his scalp out, too! |
| 13:49.34 | alestane | give Lopeppeppy a cookie, and totally doesn't slap her around with it. |
| 13:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | "sneak sneak" is the beginning of my tag line. Anything I can get away with is a good thing. |
| 13:50.04 | Zootfizzle | Heh |
| 13:50.38 | Zootfizzle | For me your crop induces a forehead stretching optical illusion which I find to be hilariously ironic given the original intent. I approve! |
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| 13:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | No, his forehead really is like that too. Alien skull. |
| 13:55.47 | Zootfizzle | Consume mass quantities, even |
| 13:56.02 | Lopeppeppy | If you click the "More" you'll see it in teeny original. |
| 13:56.12 | Zootfizzle | I can only take so much at 6am |
| 13:56.21 | Zootfizzle | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 13:56.22 | Zootfizzle | Missed you :) |
| 13:56.30 | Lopeppeppy | Missed you too. *big hug* |
| 13:56.59 | Lopeppeppy | And now, to fix my stapler... I have a pair of scissors and an eyeglasses screwdriver. |
| 13:57.57 | Lopeppeppy | Never loan your stuff to students, it comes back "interesting". |
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| 14:06.21 | alestane | My Firefox has apparently lost its ability to connect to its update server. |
| 14:07.24 | Lopeppeppy | This is not necessarily a bad thing. Daily updates are so 2011. |
| 14:08.04 | alestane | I'm not opposed in principle. But then it whines at me. |
| 14:08.40 | Lopeppeppy | Hit it with a hammer. |
| 14:09.35 | zenzio | hit it with a hamster |
| 14:09.51 | alestane | I do have a hammer here. |
| 14:10.03 | alestane | I've been using it to fasten up my blinkies. |
| 14:10.28 | alestane | Clenching a hammer in my teeth while I get a cable staple into place makes me feel like some sort of pirate handyman. |
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| 14:13.07 | karl_w_w | don't hit things with hammers! |
| 14:13.14 | karl_w_w | just listen to this and chill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPdn7xh5hnc |
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| 14:27.14 | alestane | Firefox apparently lost all my bookmarks in the update. I am displeased. |
| 14:29.14 | karl_w_w | updates alestane |
| 14:31.27 | alestane | I do have a backup file. |
| 14:31.42 | alestane | Anyone know how to make Firefox recover bookmarks from one of these JSON files? |
| 14:32.40 | nevcairiel | bookmarks -> show all bookmarks -> Import and Backup -> Restore -> Choose File |
| 14:34.16 | alestane | Yep, Google to the rescue. |
| 14:34.21 | alestane | Thanks, though. |
| 14:34.42 | alestane | Much better. That would have been an extreme gruminess. |
| 14:34.47 | alestane | grumpiness* |
| 14:34.48 | Fisker | yawns all over nevcairiel |
| 14:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot be grumpy on a day that includes the blinkies. And now you have learned a homeowner trick - put up the damn lights in October when it's not cold! |
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| 14:38.23 | alestane | I don't care about cold, these blinkies are indoors. |
| 14:38.44 | alestane | The ones yesterday were outside, but the weather obligingly declined to rain for a few hours. |
| 14:38.56 | alestane | And it was like 45 degrees (F) anyway. |
| 14:39.11 | Lopeppeppy | Always put up outdoors lights in october. |
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| 14:40.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oh.... kay. We apparently had a short race called the "Santa Speedo Sprint". And the pics are scary. |
| 14:40.29 | alestane | I'm sacred already, yes. |
| 14:40.32 | Zootfizzle | Your job must involve a great deal of mental scarring |
| 14:40.36 | alestane | scared* |
| 14:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Photos-Santa-Speedo-Sprint-4102104.php#photo-3863488 |
| 14:40.50 | alestane | I might also be sacred, who knows? |
| 14:40.56 | Lopeppeppy | Candy cane man. |
| 14:41.07 | Zootfizzle | After seeing that picture, I'm quite certain nothing is sacred, alestane... |
| 14:41.13 | Zootfizzle | Also, I found Waldo. |
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| 14:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | I should get up earlier on Mondays so they aren't so "challenging". |
| 14:44.37 | Lopeppeppy | I did fix the stapler, the scissors did the job. And now I will code a birth control order form! (I actually do enjoy the variety in my Monday mailbox versus the zug-zug of Tues-Thurs. around here.) |
| 14:45.00 | mikma | monday's aren't that bad when you get to deal with explosives all day long. and drive a truck. |
| 14:45.20 | nevcairiel | one of these days, mikma blows himself up |
| 14:45.41 | Lopeppeppy | Mikma, do you arm explosives while you drive? Because that sounds illegal or something. |
| 14:45.44 | mikma | oh i won't, i've been educated too well now |
| 14:45.53 | Zootfizzle | Things mikma learned from playing "Blast Corps" |
| 14:46.02 | mikma | lopeppeppy: maybe in your wildest dreams, lol |
| 14:46.30 | mikma | zootfizzle: oh nono, minecraft + tnt is where i educated myself |
| 14:46.55 | Zootfizzle | I'm sure Blast Corps both came first and has many more trucks :P |
| 14:48.07 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, I've done many things while driving, but arming explosives is NOT on my list. Not even on my Bucket List, thank you. |
| 14:48.45 | mikma | lopeppeppy: also, arming explosives is like sticking your finger into a pudding, really :P |
| 14:49.12 | Lopeppeppy | My pudding doesn't have a tendency to blow up and take off my finger if I mix it wrong, mikma. Respect is warranted. |
| 14:49.17 | mikma | you just press the detonator in, and done. (by the law you first make a hole with a plastic stick ;) |
| 14:49.41 | mikma | lopeppeppy: if your pudding explodes you don't have to worry about your fingers anymore :D |
| 14:50.38 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetness, I wouldn't load my rifle while I was driving, I wouldn't arm my plastique either. Unless there were zombies in the back of my pickup. Then all bets are off. |
| 14:51.32 | mikma | that reminds me of the story what happens if you put explosives on a heated truckbed and go sit in the cabin |
| 14:51.42 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy is right, bad preparation is what gets you killed, so rather keep the rifle loaded and the bombs armed |
| 14:51.56 | mikma | hehe |
| 14:52.54 | Zootfizzle | That's why I always have an escape route in case a caldera of troggs erupts in my living room |
| 14:53.00 | Zootfizzle | One Gnomeregan was enough... |
| 14:53.26 | Lopeppeppy | Isn't that Rule 14 or something? Always know your escape route? |
| 14:53.48 | mikma | wasn't 14 the one that there's porn about anything in the interwebs |
| 14:53.56 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/87/ |
| 14:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, #22, sorry. |
| 14:54.08 | alestane | I think Lopeppeppy is talking about Robin's Laws. |
| 14:54.10 | mikma | know thy rules |
| 14:55.36 | Lopeppeppy | Zombieland, alestane. Oiy. You need some culture. |
| 14:55.52 | Zootfizzle | I don't know |
| 14:56.00 | Zootfizzle | Defaulting to a Star Trek: TNG reference is pretty cultured |
| 14:56.33 | alestane | There are apparently a huge number of shows and movies I'm deficient in. The Sparkly One™ showed me the first episode of Buffy last week. |
| 14:56.44 | Zootfizzle | WHAT?!~! |
| 14:56.55 | Lopeppeppy | If she is handling your culture, I will be content. |
| 14:57.29 | alestane | They also showed us Dr. Horrible a couple of weeks ago. |
| 14:57.46 | Zootfizzle | All things in time I suppose |
| 14:58.06 | clever | mikma: your thinking of rule 34 |
| 14:58.21 | alestane | Most of what I've watched over the last several years has been anime, Zoot. I'm behind on domestic culture. |
| 14:59.01 | Zootfizzle | OMG |
| 14:59.08 | mikma | clever: oh now i'm thinking about my rule nr. 1 |
| 14:59.09 | Zootfizzle | Michelle Rodriguez is in the new Resident Evil again |
| 14:59.24 | clever | mikma: what was that one? |
| 14:59.34 | mikma | zootfizzle: new new as in to be announced or Resident.Evil.Retribution.2012.720p.BluRay.x264 |
| 14:59.41 | Zootfizzle | Old new |
| 14:59.53 | Zootfizzle | I.E. the latter |
| 15:00.01 | mikma | why won't she stay dead |
| 15:00.01 | nevcairiel | only 720p? cheap mikma :P |
| 15:00.05 | Kalroth | it's not a very good Resident Evil movie :( |
| 15:00.23 | mikma | nevcairiel: i don't need 1080p cause my tv ain't fullHD :P so 720p will do |
| 15:00.27 | Zootfizzle | Kalroth, are you sure? The opening credits appear to be done entirely in reverse bullet time |
| 15:01.08 | Kalroth | Zootfizzle: yeah i watched it yesterday, i like #1-4 (mostly), but this one fails in several ways |
| 15:01.16 | mikma | nevcairiel: what about.... Fifty.Shades.Of.Grey.XXX.DVDRiP.x264 |
| 15:01.34 | Zootfizzle | mikma: who knew grey could be such a blinding color |
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| 15:02.31 | mikma | zootfizzle: i'd go with http://tinyurl.com/c5j9xaq instead |
| 15:03.26 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 15:04.48 | nevcairiel | mikma: i assume thats with sasha grey? :P |
| 15:04.55 | mikma | nevcairiel: she's retired |
| 15:07.15 | Kalroth | she's a teacher now |
| 15:07.17 | mikma | nevcairiel: that's the "xxx parody" (read: 1:1 book converted straight into xxx) |
| 15:07.21 | Kalroth | i'd let her teach me any day |
| 15:08.07 | mikma | nevcairiel: they even sued the company that made that cause it's too true to the book, lul |
| 15:08.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:08.28 | mikma | let's see if i can find the article now |
| 15:08.34 | nevcairiel | sounds more entertaining then the book |
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| 15:09.37 | mikma | http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2012/11/universal-sues-fifty-shades-of-grey-porn.php |
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| 15:22.55 | Lopeppeppy | kd3: Facebook has just recommended you to me. I am smitten with awesomeness that the bots got something right for once. :) |
| 15:24.51 | mikma | keedeethree |
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| 15:25.47 | bluspacecow | This patch upgrades World of Warcraft from version 5.1.0.16309 to version 5.1.0.16357. |
| 15:25.47 | bluspacecow | LOL wot |
| 15:26.14 | Lopeppeppy | teeeny increment is teeny |
| 15:26.20 | mikma | bluspacecow: yet again those bastards released a update? |
| 15:26.26 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 15:26.39 | bluspacecow | *licks Peppy* |
| 15:26.39 | bluspacecow | Herro! |
| 15:27.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. There goes that "sanitized for your protection" wrapper the maid put on me this morning. |
| 15:27.38 | Zootfizzle | Yay! |
| 15:27.42 | Zootfizzle | Wrapper's off! |
| 15:27.47 | Zootfizzle | licks Lopeppeppy too |
| 15:27.54 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 15:28.57 | Lopeppeppy | You guys are good for me. I had a long weekend, it's nice to laugh. |
| 15:29.02 | mikma | you must taste like milkshakes |
| 15:29.52 | mikma | i had a long weekend too, 6.12 was finland's independence day and it was a day off and then i got the friday a free day + got paid for it :D |
| 15:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | I am informed that girls taste like strawberries, but I have no evidence to support this assertion. |
| 15:30.22 | mikma | that must be the reason for my strawberry-fetish then |
| 15:30.32 | Zootfizzle | I was just thinking, that explains a lot for me |
| 15:30.58 | Ressy | I'm seeing 570MB at least. |
| 15:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | Zoot, I shall only feed you oranges in the future to avoid all complications! |
| 15:31.20 | mikma | keeps the gnome in the row if you feed him oranges |
| 15:31.39 | bluspacecow | 570 MB wot |
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| 15:32.09 | Lopeppeppy | Oranges have vitamin C for warding off minor illnesses too. |
| 15:32.16 | mikma | i've become so bored with bf3 that i might add gametiem to my wow acc |
| 15:34.49 | Zootfizzle | I'm waiting for somebody nice to buy me the last two expansions |
| 15:34.58 | Zootfizzle | For some reason I gave up on WoW after WotLK :3 |
| 15:35.27 | SuperPortia|work | Cata was pretty crappy, so no real loss there. |
| 15:35.31 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 15:35.44 | SuperPortia|work | Good engine work, and the new 1-60 content was good. |
| 15:35.47 | mikma | everyone's been saying that pandaria is great expansion |
| 15:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | I have cata, but played so infrequently. I'd need a new bloody computer to catch up at this point - Gryph won't handle it. |
| 15:35.57 | SuperPortia|work | But high-end wasn't nearly as coherent. |
| 15:36.03 | Zootfizzle | When I heard the big alliance plot point was "a wall falls down", I had great reservations. |
| 15:36.04 | mikma | i managed to play to 86 and then my gametime froze up |
| 15:36.23 | Zootfizzle | I mean, before that the big alliance plot point was "a ship crashed" |
| 15:36.30 | mikma | you mean loch modan? :D |
| 15:37.23 | Arazon | fr33zing |
| 15:37.37 | bluspacecow | *heats up Arazon* |
| 15:37.40 | Arazon | fr33zing: |
| 15:37.45 | Arazon | oh he isnt here |
| 15:37.49 | Arazon | >.> |
| 15:37.52 | Zootfizzle | <_< |
| 15:38.01 | bluspacecow | you cold bro |
| 15:38.21 | mikma | haha |
| 15:38.28 | Arazon | not really it's like 70 degrees here |
| 15:39.05 | karl_w_w | wow 70? are u in a sauna or something? |
| 15:39.14 | mikma | karl_w_w: sauna you say? |
| 15:39.23 | Arazon | Playin wow in a sauna. Liek a baws. |
| 15:39.24 | karl_w_w | sauna say I |
| 15:39.26 | mikma | 21.1111111 degrees Celsius |
| 15:39.30 | mikma | not that hot imo |
| 15:39.30 | Zootfizzle | Somebody's Celsius to Farenheit converter is offline. |
| 15:39.50 | Arazon | I'm in Alabana. |
| 15:40.03 | karl_w_w | no I simply assumed he was using a logical temperature scale |
| 15:40.16 | Zootfizzle | Is that like a transdimensional mixture of Albania and Albama? |
| 15:40.19 | Zootfizzle | Alabama :X |
| 15:40.26 | Arazon | It's just south of Alabama |
| 15:40.35 | mikma | ála banana |
| 15:41.03 | karl_w_w | alan banana? |
| 15:41.18 | Arazon | What? |
| 15:41.21 | Zootfizzle | Alabaña? |
| 15:41.23 | SuperPortia|work | A lot of the WoW UI dev people are in the south east United States. |
| 15:41.24 | karl_w_w | alan banana |
| 15:41.30 | Arazon | You know Alabama is home to the Space and Rocket Station right? As in, we are home to half the rocket scientists in the entire country? |
| 15:41.34 | karl_w_w | aka alan jokes, king of the atomic banana |
| 15:41.43 | Lopeppeppy | I had a banana for breakfast. |
| 15:41.44 | karl_w_w | jones* |
| 15:41.54 | SuperPortia|work | You and the curse people ever get together? |
| 15:41.54 | karl_w_w | I'm very disappointed in you Lopeppeppy |
| 15:42.38 | bluspacecow | usually at Blizzcons SuperPortia|work |
| 15:43.10 | Zootfizzle | How was the last Blizzard Swag Convention? |
| 15:43.25 | mikma | superportia|work: arch enemies never meet and date |
| 15:43.38 | mikma | superportia|work: you need to watch more spy vs. spy |
| 15:43.50 | bluspacecow | dunno zoot there wasn't one this year |
| 15:45.08 | Lopeppeppy | I also had a cranberry muffin, karl_w_w. Not a horrible breakfast, not a great one. |
| 15:45.23 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/2ZIKY |
| 15:46.26 | Zootfizzle | Oh my. |
| 15:46.34 | Zootfizzle | The clockwork orange is a blood orange |
| 15:46.41 | Zootfizzle | And I would like you to all note the presence of cogs |
| 15:46.55 | mikma | oh that's right |
| 15:47.57 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/iNWCG hah! Nokia. |
| 15:48.39 | Zootfizzle | That's right. Cellphones from the 90s are coming to kill you |
| 15:49.09 | Lopeppeppy | Those are sprockets, Zoot. |
| 15:49.10 | Zootfizzle | Nobody told you the foot soldiers of the singularity would be discarded personal electronics... |
| 15:49.25 | mikma | http://www.funnydash.com/uploads/m/I_Dropped_My_Nokia_1337497015.jpg |
| 15:49.40 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.empirebmx.com/store/catalog/sprocket.jpg |
| 15:50.19 | mikma | aren't sprocket's used on mopeds |
| 15:50.25 | Zootfizzle | You can tell that's a sprocket by the superior design |
| 15:50.53 | Zootfizzle | Everything uses sprockets! |
| 15:51.01 | Zootfizzle | Unless it uses cogs |
| 15:51.08 | Zootfizzle | Then it definitely doesn't use sprockets. |
| 15:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | Then it's inferior. *sniff* |
| 15:51.17 | Zootfizzle | nods. |
| 15:52.52 | Lopeppeppy | how did it get to be 11 already? WTF, Monday, slow down a bit and enjoy the scenery. |
| 15:53.47 | mikma | 17:53 |
| 15:54.05 | Zootfizzle | peppy, time flies when you're having fun on irc! |
| 15:54.14 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/d4rBi |
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| 15:57.48 | Zootfizzle | Someday a clone of Michelle Rodriguez will survive an entire Resident Evil movie, but not today. |
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| 15:59.18 | Unkle | Station. |
| 16:00.02 | alestane | Station. |
| 16:00.15 | alestane | Look, Unkle. A wild Zootfizzle appeared! |
| 16:00.41 | Unkle | Holy shit! Hiya Zoot! |
| 16:01.00 | Zootfizzle | Hi!! |
| 16:01.11 | mikma | holy zoot |
| 16:01.25 | Unkle | How's tricks ol' bean? |
| 16:01.55 | Zootfizzle | Gnomerrific ;) |
| 16:02.21 | Zootfizzle | How about yourself? |
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| 16:03.02 | Unkle | Since last I spoke to you, I have moved to the land of the strange, where they make the wine. |
| 16:03.11 | Unkle | So ... It's pretty good. |
| 16:04.34 | Zootfizzle | That does sound pretty good! |
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| 16:07.02 | mikma | http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/desktops/how-to-install-android-2-3-on-the-raspberry-pi-50009931/ |
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| 16:09.04 | Unkle | Dear Freenode - quit it. This isn't a car ride, and you can't possibly be so bored as to be randomly kicking me off every few minutes. |
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| 16:09.17 | mikma | choose your servers well |
| 16:09.30 | bluspacecow | @Unkle I wanna mustache ride |
| 16:09.50 | Unkle | Get gender change and we'll talk. |
| 16:09.53 | mikma | that sounds sooooooo... magnum p.i. |
| 16:10.03 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:11.53 | Lopeppeppy | Magnum PI never said that, mikma. |
| 16:11.53 | Unkle | If I could grow a Tom Sellek 'stache, I would be the king of creepy. |
| 16:12.04 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, I will totally disown you if you do that. Just sayin'. |
| 16:12.19 | Ressy | Unkle: Some freenode admin is probably just jealous of you having who you do as an ISP. :P |
| 16:12.31 | mikma | lopeppeppy: for some reason i guessed, but he sure gave a good muctache rides? |
| 16:13.00 | Unkle | Ressy - fiber optic to the curb, wooooo |
| 16:13.36 | Unkle | Actually, fiber optic all the way to the building. it's only the last 200' that's Cat 6. :) |
| 16:15.10 | Ressy | What speeds do you see? |
| 16:16.03 | Unkle | Since late Friday, I'm getting 100Mbps synchronous. (Since that's all we pay for). |
| 16:16.08 | Ressy | nice |
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| 16:16.53 | Unkle | We upgraded from 50Mbps. Prior to that, we had 3Mbps synch on bonded T1s. |
| 16:17.08 | Unkle | So... this is pretty freaking sweet. |
| 16:17.24 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7384038351 |
| 16:17.24 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 16:18.53 | Zootfizzle | You're reminding me I need to upgrade my cable modem... |
| 16:18.59 | Zootfizzle | Paying for 30mps but only getting 3 = sad |
| 16:19.08 | Ressy | docsis 2? |
| 16:19.11 | Zootfizzle | Yeah. |
| 16:19.16 | Ressy | node congestion blows |
| 16:19.59 | Zootfizzle | Well, I guess I'm getting what I paid for 8 years ago… ;) |
| 16:20.09 | Unkle | At home I'm getting 10up/30down on a good day. Usually though, I'm seeing something line 5/25 |
| 16:21.08 | Ressy | I'm waiting on gov nonsense to force my ISP's ISP to provide my ISP with their upgraded speeds (which gov rules state they have to do, but is trying not to do) |
| 16:21.34 | Unkle | You're in Canada? |
| 16:21.38 | Ressy | yar |
| 16:21.52 | Ressy | At which point, my speed will be upgraded from 28/1 to 35/3 |
| 16:22.11 | karl_w_w | so i just found out copyright infringement isn't illegal in australia |
| 16:22.30 | Zootfizzle | Gotta love a country founded by pirates and thieves. |
| 16:22.51 | karl_w_w | gotta. |
| 16:23.36 | Unkle | karl_w_w: Not so fast. Australia is a signatory to the Berne Convention. |
| 16:23.56 | bluspacecow | anyone know how to open .db2 files you get out of DBFilesClient out of the Blizzard MPQ files ? |
| 16:24.23 | karl_w_w | The Berne Convention requires its signatories to recognize the copyright of works of authors from other signatory countries (known as members of the Berne Union) in the same way as it recognizes the copyright of its own nationals |
| 16:24.42 | karl_w_w | it's not illegal to infringe stuff made in australia either |
| 16:24.44 | mikma | bluspacecow: i'm guessing zoot might know some way :O |
| 16:25.05 | Darkchaos | Hey guys, did you experience a heavy decrease at the node-respawn rate? |
| 16:25.35 | Darkchaos | It seemed to me like they only have now the nodes from one realm but farmed by those multiple-realm-zone players |
| 16:25.55 | Unkle | karl_w_w: I suspect you've misunderstood whatever gave you the impression that there's no violation of copyright. Maybe a looser definition of "infringement" but certainly there are copyright laws and they are enforced. |
| 16:26.03 | karl_w_w | that's not a decrease in respawns, that's an increase in demand |
| 16:26.19 | karl_w_w | http://www.geordieguy.com/illegal-movies-and-music-fact-sheet/ |
| 16:26.34 | Unkle | node spawns for ore and herbs were tuned downward in patch 5.1 |
| 16:27.31 | Darkchaos | ok. But really hard :O Before I had a huge income of SnowLily, now i get like 1 stack per hour |
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| 16:27.45 | Unkle | karl_w_w: That's different from what you stated. |
| 16:27.51 | nevcairiel | good that i dropped herbing then! |
| 16:28.13 | Darkchaos | should have known that before, saving tons of herbs :( |
| 16:28.31 | karl_w_w | anyone have a link to the recent thing about in-game events happening at the same time across all timezones? |
| 16:28.33 | karl_w_w | Unkle: how so? |
| 16:29.10 | Zootfizzle | Darkchaos: I'm pretty sure that after the horrible resource deficiencies at the beginning of The Burning Crusade, designers started to initially put in a larger number of resource nodes than they absolutely need and tune downwards so that players would be able to craft even if the economy was a little messed up. |
| 16:29.15 | Unkle | You said "so i just found out copyright infringement isn't illegal in australia" - which is vastly different than what this fellow says. |
| 16:29.53 | karl_w_w | no it isn't |
| 16:30.06 | __Jamash | I think there's some sort of dynamic node spawn rate adjustment, like how there's dynamic mob spawn rate adjustment, but I could be wrong |
| 16:30.39 | __Jamash | I remember the one glorious day that uldum had all the herbs ever, but that was a bug :P |
| 16:31.04 | Unkle | Yes, it is. There are still plenty of cases where infringing is illegal in Australia. Just not necessarily your preferred method. :P |
| 16:31.39 | Unkle | They announced the change on the US forums. |
| 16:32.18 | karl_w_w | well I was going with the assumption that people didn't think I was churning out burnt copies of the avengers and selling them on a street corner |
| 16:32.38 | __Jamash | karl_w_w: why not? |
| 16:32.40 | Zootfizzle | karl_w_w: and why not? |
| 16:32.51 | __Jamash | Zootfizzle: you owe me a root beer |
| 16:33.04 | karl_w_w | s/ beer// |
| 16:33.05 | Zootfizzle | copies somebody else's root beer and gives it to __Jamash |
| 16:33.16 | Unkle | mmmm.... beer |
| 16:33.18 | __Jamash | dupe beer! |
| 16:33.21 | Zootfizzle | Okay, pirated Resident Evil is over |
| 16:33.26 | Zootfizzle | Time for Pirated Avengers |
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| 16:33.48 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.48 | Zootfizzle | Thanks for the movie idea Karl ;) |
| 16:33.49 | __Jamash | sup kaydizzle |
| 16:33.50 | karl_w_w | i picked the avengers because i happen to know it's the highest grossing film of the year :P |
| 16:34.03 | __Jamash | I disagree |
| 16:34.09 | __Jamash | cabin in the woods is much grosser |
| 16:34.11 | karl_w_w | followed by skyfall |
| 16:34.25 | mikma | skyfall.. pfff, i've seen better bonds |
| 16:34.32 | karl_w_w | oh i have a patch or something |
| 16:34.36 | Zootfizzle | Redneck Zombie Family is totally different from Zombie Apocalypse |
| 16:34.58 | __Jamash | so good |
| 16:35.06 | Unkle | Tucker and Dale VS Evil - good for slapstick laughs. |
| 16:35.13 | karl_w_w | the redneck zombie family was the worst part of that film |
| 16:35.29 | __Jamash | I want to buy cabin in the woods but I really want it in HD but I don't have a blu-ray player :-| |
| 16:35.45 | karl_w_w | buy the dvd and download the hd |
| 16:35.57 | __Jamash | strongly considering it |
| 16:36.23 | mikma | but the player and the movie |
| 16:36.40 | karl_w_w | become a player and ignore the movie |
| 16:37.03 | __Jamash | hm, wonder what a decent but cheap bluray player costs |
| 16:37.12 | karl_w_w | $240 |
| 16:37.21 | End_ | is that the price for a ps3 |
| 16:37.26 | karl_w_w | yes :P |
| 16:37.31 | End_ | hehe |
| 16:37.43 | karl_w_w | but standalones are cheaper |
| 16:38.01 | karl_w_w | this isn't really like the days when the ps2 was bought as a dvd player |
| 16:38.20 | __Jamash | karl_w_w: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/284/248/dcf.png |
| 16:38.24 | End_ | most bluray players seem to be 80-100, but I have no idea on quality |
| 16:38.42 | Zootfizzle | I remember back in the day |
| 16:38.48 | Zootfizzle | when I bought a PS/2 for a DVD player |
| 16:39.07 | karl_w_w | that's so stupid __Jamash |
| 16:39.14 | __Jamash | I know! |
| 16:39.23 | karl_w_w | but I'll let you off because you're probably a wii guy |
| 16:39.24 | Zootfizzle | And then four years later when I found out I had missed the recall on my PS/2 due to the DVD player being incompatible with the double layer spec |
| 16:39.27 | __Jamash | it really has like 3 games |
| 16:39.48 | __Jamash | flower, journey and shadow of the colossus/ico HD |
| 16:40.00 | Zootfizzle | What about God of ButtonSequence3? |
| 16:40.10 | __Jamash | what about it? |
| 16:40.19 | Zootfizzle | I know it's more of a tech demo, but you should list it |
| 16:40.34 | karl_w_w | i dont even have a ps3 so im not going to put much effort into this, but suffice to say the ps3 has more exclusives |
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| 16:40.45 | __Jamash | karl_w_w: not really, I have a wii but I'm more of a pc master race guy |
| 16:40.57 | karl_w_w | you HAVE a wii? |
| 16:40.59 | Zootfizzle | Read: Sony pays people to not release their video games for other platforms, karl_w_w |
| 16:41.02 | karl_w_w | dear god man! |
| 16:41.14 | karl_w_w | yes Zootfizzle |
| 16:41.21 | Zootfizzle | That doesn't make them better |
| 16:41.21 | karl_w_w | that's how it works :P |
| 16:41.25 | Zootfizzle | That makes the video game designers sellouts |
| 16:41.26 | __Jamash | karl_w_w: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7l6cphL7m1r0o746o1_1280.jpg |
| 16:41.27 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 16:41.52 | karl_w_w | i didn't suggest it did, i wasn't countering an argument of "the ps3 sucks" i was countering "it has no games" |
| 16:42.11 | End_ | "worthwhile games" then? ;-p |
| 16:42.17 | Zootfizzle | Okay, but you're arguing that it has proprietary software engineered to make the maximum amount of money possible |
| 16:42.21 | Zootfizzle | Not games :P |
| 16:42.29 | End_ | but I don't own a ps3 so I am pretty ignorant of such things |
| 16:42.30 | karl_w_w | pretty much every worthwhile game is cross platform :P |
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| 16:42.59 | mikma | friend traded his x360+games into ps3 cause he disliked the idea of the xboxlive (pay to play) |
| 16:43.12 | Zootfizzle | That's reasonable |
| 16:43.19 | Zootfizzle | Barely. |
| 16:43.47 | karl_w_w | you pay for the machine, you pay for the game, you pay for the internets, what more do they want :P |
| 16:44.00 | mikma | soul |
| 16:44.25 | Zootfizzle | I'm pretty sure Microsoft just wants people to like them again |
| 16:44.28 | Zootfizzle | But it will never happen |
| 16:44.28 | karl_w_w | pc is you pay for the machine, you pay for the machine, you pay for the machine, you pay for the machine, you pay for the internets |
| 16:44.33 | __Jamash | don't forget that xbox still has ads even if you have gold |
| 16:44.47 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: Reason 5938 never to buy Windows 8 |
| 16:45.04 | End_ | wait what, are you saying windows 8 has ads? |
| 16:45.16 | Zootfizzle | It's just a matter of time until those creepy Metro tiles are trying to sell you shit |
| 16:45.23 | End_ | oh ah |
| 16:45.25 | karl_w_w | they are in effect |
| 16:45.34 | __Jamash | microsoft bob 2: windows me 2: windows vista 2: windows 8 |
| 16:45.34 | karl_w_w | selling you microsoft services |
| 16:46.03 | __Jamash | subtitle: the wrath of ballmer |
| 16:46.07 | Zootfizzle | ^^^ |
| 16:46.17 | Zootfizzle | God damn I missed this place |
| 16:46.24 | End_ | well I already don't have any plans to use windows 8 so that suits me just fine I guess |
| 16:46.29 | mikma | oh hey, let's talk about wow and paying to pay |
| 16:46.31 | mikma | shall we? :D |
| 16:46.32 | karl_w_w | we missed you too! |
| 16:46.40 | karl_w_w | subtitle: i got here after you left |
| 16:46.45 | Unkle | I don't want a console for games. I want to play games on my PC. Consoles are the epitome of "closed hardware" and you don't really get to opt-out of updates that significantly alter your experience in ways you might not like. Also, not enough games I like on consoles. |
| 16:46.48 | __Jamash | dude wow is free to play what are you talking about |
| 16:46.50 | mikma | we pay for the game, we pay for the expansions |
| 16:46.55 | mikma | we pay for the mounts and the minipets |
| 16:46.57 | Zootfizzle | mikma: I don't :3 |
| 16:47.03 | mikma | we pay to play! |
| 16:47.08 | __Jamash | mikma: what have the romans ever done for us? |
| 16:47.15 | mikma | zootfizzle: here, have my mora and stab me in the back won't you |
| 16:47.17 | __Jamash | also wow doesn't have ads in it |
| 16:47.24 | __Jamash | well, not from blizard anyway |
| 16:47.32 | __Jamash | s/z/zz/ |
| 16:47.50 | __Jamash | and the rest violate the ToS |
| 16:47.51 | Unkle | The launcher has ads. |
| 16:47.57 | mikma | zootfizzle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mora_knife |
| 16:47.59 | __Jamash | pfft whatever |
| 16:48.09 | __Jamash | you don't even need to use the launcher |
| 16:48.15 | __Jamash | launch wow from steam |
| 16:48.17 | karl_w_w | the whole game is an ad for itself |
| 16:48.31 | karl_w_w | and you keep paying for it hoping one day it'll live up to the hype :D |
| 16:49.03 | Zootfizzle | ROFL |
| 16:49.18 | Zootfizzle | karl_w_w has figured out the secret to every MMO ever |
| 16:49.34 | Zootfizzle | Next he'll launch an award winning remake of FarmVille |
| 16:49.36 | __Jamash | s/mmo/service/ |
| 16:50.00 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: My garbage service lives up to the hype |
| 16:50.07 | karl_w_w | farmville can rot in hell |
| 16:50.11 | __Jamash | my friend bought me the cinder kitten out of spite |
| 16:50.21 | __Jamash | after I ranted about the pet store |
| 16:50.26 | Zootfizzle | ROFL |
| 16:50.29 | Zootfizzle | Bwahaha |
| 16:50.31 | __Jamash | also, charity |
| 16:50.36 | Zootfizzle | Man |
| 16:50.40 | Zootfizzle | The only thing funnier to me than the pet store |
| 16:50.50 | Zootfizzle | Is Blizzard auctioning used server hardware for charity |
| 16:50.57 | __Jamash | much like penny arcade donating $10,000 to charity out of spite to dig at jack thompson |
| 16:51.04 | Unkle | I totally ponied up cash monies for the cinder kitten |
| 16:51.07 | karl_w_w | im pretty much convinced the whole cinder kitty thing is a ploy to get people into pet battles |
| 16:51.14 | Zootfizzle | "Here is a non-functioning skeleton of a massive computer which once ran your life. Please bid on it." |
| 16:51.17 | __Jamash | I'm already into pet battles so the effort is wasted |
| 16:51.18 | Ressy | Zootfizzle: They've done it before. |
| 16:51.35 | Ressy | As for right now, doubt it |
| 16:51.53 | mikma | zootfizzle: but you can own hardware you've been playing in, for years! |
| 16:52.12 | __Jamash | it's like buying back the chunk of your soul they took |
| 16:52.13 | Zootfizzle | mikma: For everyone dissatisfied with their wetware? |
| 16:52.27 | karl_w_w | it's a lot less fun when you have to play with your hardware on your own |
| 16:52.33 | __Jamash | heyoooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 16:52.53 | nevcairiel | i wouldn't buy one myself, but since there apparently are enough fans that would, whats so funny about it? its otherwise just scrap metal :p |
| 16:52.55 | __Jamash | so zoot what's up with you brah |
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| 16:53.13 | __Jamash | smash any good cogs lately? |
| 16:53.22 | karl_w_w | what's the news on this wow film |
| 16:53.26 | __Jamash | pfft |
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| 16:53.49 | mikma | zootfizzle: and when did you quit from blizz? |
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| 16:54.22 | Zootfizzle | 2009, when they decided to start work on Cataclysm |
| 16:54.41 | __Jamash | really? I had no idea |
| 16:54.49 | Zootfizzle | Right after Cogwheel got excommunicated |
| 16:54.54 | Zootfizzle | Or whatever you want to call it |
| 16:55.01 | mikma | oh i see |
| 16:55.05 | __Jamash | who's in charge of ui now that you and slouken are hasta la pasta? |
| 16:55.13 | mikma | it's like he's lex luthor and you're clark kent, zootfizzle? |
| 16:55.25 | mikma | zootfizzle: cause lex is out there's no more job for you around |
| 16:55.28 | karl_w_w | you quit because they shunned cogwheel? it was a romeo and juliet story all along! |
| 16:55.51 | __Jamash | karl_w_w: romulo and julianne, please |
| 16:55.53 | Zootfizzle | If I'm Clark Kent and Cog is Lex, then Blizzard is Brainiac |
| 16:56.01 | Zootfizzle | And they came to destroy our planet or something |
| 16:56.18 | nevcairiel | but lex is evil, didnt you hear |
| 16:56.24 | Zootfizzle | Only when Brainiac isn't around |
| 16:56.55 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: No idea! |
| 16:57.22 | Zootfizzle | I have a feeling there's still a UI team but I don't know any of the operational details and I'm much happier that way thank you xD |
| 16:57.30 | __Jamash | heh |
| 16:57.52 | __Jamash | so watcha been up to |
| 16:58.17 | Zootfizzle | Going back to school to finish my degree, been working on an independent project and hosting karaoke in the meantime ;) |
| 16:58.59 | __Jamash | cool |
| 16:59.00 | mikma | zootfizzle: was there any particular reason why you quit, if i may ask? |
| 16:59.19 | __Jamash | degree in CS, or...? |
| 16:59.26 | mikma | counter strike? |
| 16:59.30 | __Jamash | hilarious |
| 16:59.49 | __Jamash | my cousin had a job at valve |
| 16:59.56 | __Jamash | he quit to form an indie game dev |
| 17:00.06 | __Jamash | isn't that the wrong way around??? |
| 17:00.15 | nevcairiel | he plans to be bought back in later! |
| 17:00.23 | __Jamash | XD |
| 17:00.29 | Semlar | sounds like a gamble |
| 17:00.42 | __Jamash | yeah |
| 17:00.43 | Zootfizzle | Semlar: The biggest payoffs come from the biggest gambles |
| 17:01.01 | __Jamash | I need to bother him about his game, he told me a while ago they were close to having a trailer-ready version |
| 17:01.09 | nevcairiel | also the easiest failures |
| 17:01.11 | __Jamash | still operating on Valve Time no doubt |
| 17:01.34 | __Jamash | it's pretty rad seeing the family name in portal 2 anyway |
| 17:01.35 | Zootfizzle | mikma: General difference of opinion about the way to do things with the WoW UI and the community. Since I was the least senior person involved, it made the most sense for me to go my own way. |
| 17:01.58 | __Jamash | so what would you have done if you were king of UI? |
| 17:02.19 | Semlar | more sprockets, less cogs |
| 17:02.26 | __Jamash | well obviously, besides that |
| 17:02.26 | End_ | hehehe |
| 17:02.28 | Zootfizzle | xD |
| 17:02.38 | karl_w_w | changed the interact with object cursor |
| 17:03.00 | Zootfizzle | My favorite part about working on World of Warcraft was the fact that my job was to help you guys improve the game |
| 17:03.03 | __Jamash | animal-crossing style fishing |
| 17:03.13 | mikma | zootfizzle: you should have stolen all of the tools they had just to piss them off :P |
| 17:03.14 | __Jamash | <3 |
| 17:03.24 | karl_w_w | the wow ui is so horrible when you think about it |
| 17:03.27 | __Jamash | I need to fix my addon >.> |
| 17:03.30 | karl_w_w | it's all so messy |
| 17:03.39 | mikma | __jamash: me too, OhSnap is so broken now cause it's coded for Cata :D |
| 17:03.41 | karl_w_w | i dont think a clean line exists |
| 17:03.43 | Zootfizzle | It's a nine year old hodgepodge |
| 17:03.48 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 17:03.53 | Zootfizzle | Somebody needs to scrap it and start over from scratch |
| 17:03.58 | Zootfizzle | pokes somebody |
| 17:03.58 | Semlar | it's pretty disjointed |
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| 17:04.15 | Arazon | ~lart Zootfizzle |
| 17:04.15 | purl | rm -rf's Zootfizzle |
| 17:04.20 | __Jamash | karl_w_w: computer programs are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made |
| 17:04.52 | karl_w_w | sausages being made is fine, what you don't want to see is chicken nuggets |
| 17:04.54 | Zootfizzle | Anyway, I like as much community involvement as possible when it comes to video games because I think they're living things |
| 17:04.54 | Semlar | i like how half the new api functions rely on a state |
| 17:05.01 | Zootfizzle | Community input is what keeps them vital |
| 17:05.13 | __Jamash | more like unliving things imo |
| 17:05.20 | __Jamash | lurching about the landscape devouring brains XD |
| 17:05.31 | Semlar | aptly described |
| 17:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | Put your brain in a jar, keep it safe. |
| 17:05.58 | __Jamash | Semlar: what sort of state? haven't been keeping up with the diffs |
| 17:06.07 | __Jamash | keep it secret, keep it safe |
| 17:06.15 | karl_w_w | the ui is written as if the person who made it has extraordinary improvisational skills and the memory of a goldfish |
| 17:06.19 | Zootfizzle | So if I were king of UI, I would try and do what you guys want to improve the UI while maintaining Blizzard's priorities. That was always my goal at work. |
| 17:06.25 | Lopeppeppy | Not frightened enough! |
| 17:06.36 | Semlar | like, the encounter journal functions for example i can't just request information about an encounter i have to select it first |
| 17:06.40 | End_ | I'd elect Zootfizzle for king of ui |
| 17:06.49 | Semlar | and if the encounter journal is open it IMMEDIATELY sets it back to whatever it was looking at |
| 17:06.54 | __Jamash | oh yeah I hate that stuff |
| 17:06.56 | Zootfizzle | karl_w_w: That's because it was written by ten people with extraordinary improvisational skills and very little documentation |
| 17:06.57 | karl_w_w | that's the case with quests as well |
| 17:07.10 | Semlar | i have to unregister the event from the encounter journal to even work with the functions |
| 17:07.12 | karl_w_w | is there actually any internal docs? |
| 17:07.43 | Zootfizzle | karl_w_w: That's the kind of stuff I probably shouldn't talk about for the sake of my disclosure agreement |
| 17:08.10 | __Jamash | I remember back when there was a skills tab, having sections open or closed was handled by the client instead of by the UI code, so to enumerate them without messing up the user's preferences I would go through forwards expanding and tabulating and then backwards unexpanding |
| 17:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | Don't tempt happy fun ball, karl_w_w. *pat pat* |
| 17:08.31 | Semlar | don't even get me started on the map |
| 17:08.32 | karl_w_w | but __Jamash threatened you with violence you had no choice :P |
| 17:08.50 | mikma | man they are so protective about their toys, lol |
| 17:08.51 | __Jamash | it's true I di... wait a minute |
| 17:08.58 | __Jamash | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 17:08.58 | purl | crushes karl_w_w with a full height scsi disk |
| 17:09.21 | Zootfizzle | Semlar, at some point the people who are working on the UI stopped writing things so that the objects were fully realized in LUA and started writing things so that the LUA interface was a wrapper for a state object in C++ |
| 17:09.27 | Zootfizzle | So that's why there's a difference |
| 17:09.41 | Zootfizzle | That is one of many things I disagree with :P |
| 17:09.44 | Semlar | it's horrible |
| 17:09.47 | Semlar | HORRIBLE! |
| 17:09.50 | karl_w_w | ~lua |
| 17:09.51 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 17:10.12 | Semlar | at least if they do it and don't provide an api function to look things up by id or something |
| 17:10.23 | Zootfizzle | Yeah yeah I capitalized lua sorry portuguese :P |
| 17:10.39 | __Jamash | my dad applied for an API tech writing position at blizzard and they said that they had dozens of different source code repositories in different version control systems across the company |
| 17:10.39 | mikma | does that explain why the ui is so damn broken when you switch between vehicles and other 'mounts' |
| 17:11.09 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: Sounds right to me |
| 17:11.18 | __Jamash | when he said that he'd want full read only source code access in order to do his job |
| 17:11.28 | karl_w_w | well the war3 bnet database is just files in a folder :P |
| 17:11.39 | __Jamash | and they were like "dur that would be hard qqqq" |
| 17:11.53 | __Jamash | he didn't get the job :p |
| 17:11.57 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, not surprising |
| 17:12.00 | Semlar | oh another thing is they recently changed the "tapped" color of the nameplate to purple, except it gets recolored C side just constantly, i don't understand why |
| 17:12.08 | Zootfizzle | There are a lot of kingmakers at Blizzard in charge of their own little territories |
| 17:12.12 | __Jamash | sigh |
| 17:12.18 | End_ | the tapped color thing was weird to me |
| 17:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | My cookies! |
| 17:12.24 | End_ | because I have tidy plates color it by class |
| 17:12.25 | __Jamash | refactor refactor refactor! |
| 17:12.32 | End_ | and suddenly tapped mobs looked like they were warlocks! |
| 17:12.38 | nevcairiel | they are! |
| 17:12.39 | Torhal|work | Moblock! |
| 17:12.55 | __Jamash | the c++ thought tapped meant life tap |
| 17:13.02 | Zootfizzle | I don't think there's a vision for the UI anymore |
| 17:13.10 | Zootfizzle | It's just hobbling along |
| 17:13.13 | Adys | gmail down? |
| 17:13.16 | Ressy | yes |
| 17:13.19 | Adys | fml |
| 17:13.19 | Torhal|work | Adys: I was having issues as well |
| 17:13.21 | __Jamash | the vision for the ui has always been "get it done yesterday" |
| 17:13.31 | karl_w_w | they always seemed to have the opinion of "we'll keep the ui simple, and if people want to change it they can" |
| 17:13.32 | Semlar | i wish they'd be more consistant |
| 17:13.37 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: That's always been in the peripheral vision ._. |
| 17:13.57 | karl_w_w | but now with tapped mobs and loss-of-control-and-ui-usability they are forcing stuff on us |
| 17:14.02 | Torhal|work | Zootfizzle: The vision apparently consists of "Fuck it, make it C++" and "What the hell is this taint shit the AddOn guys keep bitching about?" |
| 17:14.07 | Lopeppeppy | Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are. |
| 17:14.12 | Unkle | The WoWUI suffers a lot from things being bolted on later rather than being an integral part of the experience's design. |
| 17:14.13 | Semlar | oh god, the taint |
| 17:14.19 | __Jamash | ~tainted |
| 17:14.19 | purl | SUBMIT YOURSELF TO THE TAINT! |
| 17:14.23 | Zootfizzle | Torhal|work: Good to know things haven't changed in the last 3 years |
| 17:14.25 | End_ | ~glyphui |
| 17:14.25 | purl | BAM! TAINTED! |
| 17:14.26 | __Jamash | ~botsnack |
| 17:14.26 | purl | __Jamash: aw, gee |
| 17:14.33 | Semlar | my favorite is how adding an addon to the options panel taints the interface |
| 17:14.39 | Lopeppeppy | And this is what we get when The Good Old Boys wake up. *laugh* |
| 17:14.49 | Zootfizzle | Semlar: WTH really? |
| 17:14.52 | Zootfizzle | They broke my baby? |
| 17:14.54 | Zootfizzle | cries |
| 17:14.56 | Semlar | apparently it's done it for a while |
| 17:15.06 | nevcairiel | in cata at least |
| 17:15.10 | karl_w_w | no my favourite is that the ui bugs itself daily without any addon intervention |
| 17:15.20 | Zootfizzle | Is there still a Feedback UI in the beta versions? |
| 17:15.25 | End_ | no |
| 17:15.30 | __Jamash | there's a feedback ui in release! |
| 17:15.30 | Zootfizzle | :( |
| 17:15.30 | nevcairiel | i didnt see it this beta |
| 17:15.31 | Semlar | but now, if you have the taintlog enabled, the taintlog itself starts throwing errors in game |
| 17:15.45 | Semlar | so you have to disable the taintlog and pretend like nothing's wrong |
| 17:15.47 | __Jamash | I was shocked |
| 17:15.50 | nevcairiel | not to mention that the taintlog fails at logging the useful parts |
| 17:16.03 | Zootfizzle | Slouken invented the taint system |
| 17:16.04 | __Jamash | I wonder if anyone reads it |
| 17:16.09 | Zootfizzle | With help from the community |
| 17:16.13 | Adys | http://www.theonion.com/video/google-shuts-down-gmail-for-two-hours-to-show-its,27610/ |
| 17:16.14 | karl_w_w | the taintlog is just a crutch for bad programming! :P |
| 17:16.14 | Zootfizzle | In about 24 hours IIRC |
| 17:16.40 | Zootfizzle | I'm not sure there's anybody left working on WoW that understands how it should work |
| 17:16.46 | Semlar | well i wish it was easier to see if you've tainted something |
| 17:16.47 | nevcairiel | probably not |
| 17:16.54 | nevcairiel | in the beta, turning on the taintlog crashed the client |
| 17:16.58 | nevcairiel | now, it just causes lua errors |
| 17:17.16 | foxlit | impossible lua errors. |
| 17:17.22 | nevcairiel | yeah, impossible errors |
| 17:17.24 | Zootfizzle | It sounds like somebody who doesn't know what they're doing tried to optimize or upgrade the Lua version included in WoW and left out some important C references |
| 17:17.26 | karl_w_w | i wonder if anyone working on it knows the taintlog exists :P |
| 17:17.46 | nevcairiel | it looks like memory corruption in the lua engine |
| 17:17.49 | Ressy | I assume people have put up reports about it on the bug report forum.. |
| 17:17.52 | Zootfizzle | Wonder if they'd hire me back to fix it >_> |
| 17:18.06 | Torhal|work | nevcairiel: Aye - I have the stack obliterated within a loop on occasion. |
| 17:18.35 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'm about to love Slouken with a baseball bat. :) |
| 17:18.54 | Unkle | I don't think he's twisted that way Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:19.03 | karl_w_w | love in the back alley? |
| 17:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | No, but it would mean I got to see him! :) |
| 17:19.31 | Unkle | And then a short plane ride to see me. :P |
| 17:19.31 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: Just remember to ask him where the hell Half Life 3 is. |
| 17:19.42 | End_ | oh yeah he works for valve now doesn't he |
| 17:19.49 | Torhal|work | Yar |
| 17:19.50 | Zootfizzle | End_: Yessir |
| 17:20.18 | Zootfizzle | Torhal|work: Definitely sounds like a problem with the taint system |
| 17:20.25 | Zootfizzle | and how it was integrated with Lua |
| 17:20.35 | foxlit | it's np. |
| 17:20.43 | Torhal|work | :/ |
| 17:20.51 | karl_w_w | phoarrrr, random email blast from the past |
| 17:21.00 | karl_w_w | ^unrelated |
| 17:21.05 | Lopeppeppy | Why all my peeps have to live scattered to the four froggin' winds I have NO idea. |
| 17:21.06 | nevcairiel | we should just move to another game, sadly no other company seems capable of providing one :p |
| 17:21.13 | bluspacecow | is the taint log every getting fixed ? |
| 17:21.13 | foxlit | It's way more fun that they randomly kill Lua execution if its takes too long while in combat. |
| 17:21.25 | Zootfizzle | Hahaha |
| 17:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | On another note, I need these for my nonexistant $winterholiday tree. http://glasssculpture.org/artglass/holiday/planet-ornaments.html |
| 17:21.41 | Zootfizzle | It's like my old boss has taken an RPG and aimed it directly at the UI |
| 17:21.42 | Zootfizzle | Sorry to laugh |
| 17:21.50 | foxlit | "We'll just randomly stop this execution here! NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." |
| 17:21.52 | karl_w_w | foxlit: especially when the default ui does it to itself |
| 17:21.55 | Ressy | foxlit: Thats bloody annoying.. Freakin addons just stop working |
| 17:22.18 | nevcairiel | honestly its like 100ms or so, such a long execution in combat is probably wrong |
| 17:22.19 | bluspacecow | NOTHING CAN WRONG CAUSE WE SAY SO |
| 17:22.25 | Unkle | Not just AddOns. Things like the Blizzard raid Frames. |
| 17:22.28 | Zootfizzle | Oh sorry we can't trust the Lua environment because none of us know what we're doing and we hate add ons so we're going to cut off our nose to spite our face |
| 17:22.31 | Zootfizzle | Hope you don't want the UI to work |
| 17:22.35 | karl_w_w | it seems to do it in response to internet lag as well though |
| 17:22.43 | End_ | nevcairiel: I think they shortened it, I dunno |
| 17:22.43 | bluspacecow | *LALALALALALALALALALALA* *sticks fingers in ears* |
| 17:22.47 | End_ | I've never actually seen it myself though |
| 17:23.01 | Zootfizzle | Signed, Blizzard |
| 17:23.02 | nevcairiel | the only time i get it is if i open SUFs config in combat |
| 17:23.04 | karl_w_w | i see it every day |
| 17:23.13 | nevcairiel | which is a bad idea :p |
| 17:23.16 | karl_w_w | and i live in aus with 300+ms |
| 17:23.30 | Zootfizzle | I'm imagining opening the Achievement UI for the first time that session while in combat |
| 17:23.56 | karl_w_w | yeah some stuff breaks it reliably, like opening atlasloot in combat |
| 17:23.59 | Ressy | I tried opening up Atlasloot in combat to see what the boss drops... |
| 17:24.09 | karl_w_w | it's when you open your talents in combat and it does it that it gets old |
| 17:24.12 | nevcairiel | i fail to see the point of atlasloot |
| 17:24.16 | Semlar | hey i can solve your atlasloot problem |
| 17:24.17 | nevcairiel | the game has this info now? |
| 17:24.33 | Zootfizzle | Heh |
| 17:24.34 | karl_w_w | atlasloot layout is much better |
| 17:24.35 | foxlit | the game could stand to have a better UI for the (incomplete) info it does have. |
| 17:24.44 | Ressy | I don't like the dungeon journal tbh. |
| 17:24.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/qQrpk.jpg |
| 17:24.53 | nevcairiel | reskinning the EQ sounds easier then bringing your own bloated library for this |
| 17:24.57 | nevcairiel | EJ* |
| 17:24.58 | Zootfizzle | Sounds like they should stop trying to extend the UI to take over add-on functionality, and start trying to make the existing UI actually work |
| 17:25.08 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | It's really hard to make the decision to go back to basics - that scares the pants off most people. |
| 17:25.50 | Zootfizzle | Yeah, it requires you to admit that something you've been doing doesn't work that well |
| 17:26.55 | Lopeppeppy | 1) Admit something is wrong 2) admit that you can't increment-fix it 3) trash what you've previously seen as "achievement" 4) start from scratch - that's a big laundry list. |
| 17:28.05 | karl_w_w | they'll never do it though |
| 17:28.24 | Zootfizzle | Well, all their Lua code is open source |
| 17:28.27 | karl_w_w | it would surely be worth it though |
| 17:28.37 | Zootfizzle | If you rewrite it and e-mail it to them enough times, eventually they'll implement some of it to shut you up |
| 17:28.38 | Zootfizzle | I swear |
| 17:28.45 | karl_w_w | the ui is wow's greatest weakness at this stage |
| 17:29.06 | nevcairiel | also its greatest strength |
| 17:29.08 | Torhal|work | C_PetJournal.BlahBlahBlah FTW |
| 17:29.14 | Torhal|work | :/ |
| 17:29.20 | Zootfizzle | ... |
| 17:29.21 | Zootfizzle | really? |
| 17:29.24 | Torhal|work | Yup. |
| 17:29.24 | Zootfizzle | That explicit? |
| 17:29.27 | Torhal|work | Aye. |
| 17:29.29 | nevcairiel | namespacing functions like that isn't the worst idea, imho |
| 17:29.33 | Semlar | !api C_PetJournal |
| 17:29.33 | lua_bot | Found 44 possible matches for 'C_PetJournal'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 17:29.34 | Zootfizzle | They should just name it FuckYou_PetJournal |
| 17:29.58 | Semlar | hey, these search results don't actually contain my keyword |
| 17:30.01 | karl_w_w | several of the function's don't return the corrent results as well |
| 17:30.04 | End_ | the fun part of the pet journal is that the filtering is implemented in C |
| 17:30.08 | karl_w_w | correct* |
| 17:30.16 | nevcairiel | End_: you mean like with everything? |
| 17:30.18 | End_ | (or c++ whatever...not in lua I mean) |
| 17:30.21 | End_ | well yeah |
| 17:30.34 | nevcairiel | that shouldn't have come as a surprise, damn APIs are all stateful |
| 17:30.56 | karl_w_w | Zootfizzle: http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_5.0.4/API_changes#Automated_diff |
| 17:31.37 | Semlar | i honestly though the C_ things were placeholders in the beta |
| 17:31.37 | __Jamash | apparently the pet journal is a pile of core hound poop |
| 17:31.42 | End_ | I did too |
| 17:31.45 | End_ | well |
| 17:31.47 | Zootfizzle | Wow |
| 17:31.49 | Zootfizzle | Well |
| 17:31.51 | nevcairiel | if the only complain you have is about the name of functions, you really should find something else to complain about :p |
| 17:31.54 | End_ | in the beta they -were- placeholders written in lua |
| 17:32.07 | karl_w_w | if only the name was the only thing to complain about |
| 17:32.08 | End_ | and yeah, the name of the functions isn't too big of a deal |
| 17:32.31 | Torhal|work | The contortions you must go through to effectively USE those APIs is insane. |
| 17:32.32 | Zootfizzle | If you look at it from their philosophy of "The Lua UI is the core of all our performance issues so we'll limit its execution time" then making everything an object in C sort of makes sense in a twisted way |
| 17:32.51 | Zootfizzle | They just don't seem to realize that the contortions you mention are hurting the overall performance of the UI |
| 17:32.53 | __Jamash | if I was going to redo the wow api I'd make everything an object and use metatables |
| 17:33.33 | karl_w_w | performance? what is this word performance? |
| 17:33.36 | __Jamash | why use lua if you're going to ignore its modularity features? |
| 17:33.49 | karl_w_w | it either works or it doesn't, there is nothing else surely! |
| 17:33.53 | nevcairiel | because its still a simple and easy language? :p |
| 17:34.17 | Unkle | Well, I would argue that part of the problem is that in order to keep 10+ million players paying and playing - the ones who keep yelling MORE, MORE, FASTER, YOU GODDAMNED WRETCHES! MORE GAME! - they really haven't found time to rip the whole face off the game and do it right. I gave TSquared both barrels at BC2010 about it, both at dinner and at a panel, and I think I may have worn out my welcome. |
| 17:34.41 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: Because you don't know how it works, you think it's a complicated way of doing things to begin with, and nobody on your game team cares or is paid to care. |
| 17:34.54 | Zootfizzle | Unkle: Don't get me started on TSquared and you won't need cornea replacements |
| 17:35.20 | __Jamash | why do half the apis require you to start at 1 and enumerate until you hit nils instead of having, let's say, A TABLE OF VALUES |
| 17:35.31 | nevcairiel | Any project in the business world is like that, you never find the time to redo it clean some day, so you better do it right from the start, or you live with your monster |
| 17:35.36 | Unkle | But I already need corneal enhancements... |
| 17:35.44 | Torhal|work | Zootfizzle: When you suddenly vanished from the channel, I thought for sure you'd been moved to "Titan" and were instructed to leave us alone. |
| 17:36.44 | __Jamash | or even better have one table that contains values that are then used to index GLOBAL VARIABLES by appending numbers to them |
| 17:36.47 | Unkle | Nah, he moved to "Sanity" and that made him leave us alone. I mean, we're like heroin. |
| 17:36.50 | __Jamash | ?????? |
| 17:37.05 | karl_w_w | [01:36:19] [2][90:Larwood]: straw poll: who here LIKES wow's UI? <- i got nothing. my scientific methods conclude the whole thing needs to be replaced |
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| 17:37.31 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: Some of the APIs are written that way (the Achivement and Quest UIs for example) because of the large amount of information that must reside on the server |
| 17:38.35 | __Jamash | but you could have a table that uses metatables to pretend that the info is already there when you ask for it |
| 17:38.53 | foxlit | why don't you write that table in your own code if you need it? |
| 17:38.58 | __Jamash | I HAVE |
| 17:38.59 | Semlar | oh zootfizzle, do you have any idea why it wouldn't be possible to check if a texture exists any more |
| 17:39.09 | karl_w_w | ^lol |
| 17:39.12 | __Jamash | why make every addon author reinvent the wheel? |
| 17:39.22 | foxlit | Because not every author needs the same wheel. |
| 17:39.27 | karl_w_w | the number of green textures I have seen in mists is ridonculous |
| 17:39.32 | __Jamash | it's the same API for every author |
| 17:39.34 | karl_w_w | even on the calendar |
| 17:39.36 | nevcairiel | if all you do is iterate over the thing, how does the table really improve that much? |
| 17:39.41 | karl_w_w | default calendar |
| 17:39.58 | __Jamash | because I don't want to iterate over the whole thing, but that's the only way to find anything |
| 17:40.00 | Semlar | i really don't know when they made the missing textures display as neon green |
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| 17:40.09 | Semlar | that has to be relatively new |
| 17:40.18 | Semlar | i think they used to just be blank |
| 17:40.21 | foxlit | but the way you use it isn't. You might be interested in getting a list of all the cogs; I might only want to check if a particular one exists, or display cogs 8 through 16. |
| 17:40.26 | End_ | I think it's always been green |
| 17:40.33 | Zootfizzle | Who would want a list of cogs? |
| 17:40.35 | karl_w_w | yeah it's always been green |
| 17:40.36 | __Jamash | foxlit: so the api should support each of those in a generic way |
| 17:40.38 | Semlar | i don't remember it being a problem before |
| 17:40.39 | Unkle | because neon green isn't gold, brown, gray or red... the colors already over-present in the UI? |
| 17:40.50 | __Jamash | instead of half assing it for every individual different api differently |
| 17:41.18 | Zootfizzle | Three years ago I might have argued with you, __Jamash |
| 17:41.22 | Zootfizzle | Now I'm too tired xD |
| 17:41.46 | __Jamash | I've thought about writing a generic API frontend that does exactly what I'm talking about |
| 17:41.47 | nevcairiel | No matter how you design an API, there will always be a Jamash aroudn to want another one |
| 17:41.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/KF9qK.jpg i heard you like missing textures |
| 17:42.00 | __Jamash | but I'm so lazy |
| 17:42.16 | Zootfizzle | Anyway Semlar, I think people must have been using the existence of textures to transfer information |
| 17:42.20 | Zootfizzle | That's usually why they block things |
| 17:42.22 | __Jamash | semlar: something changed in the matrix |
| 17:42.29 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:42.42 | Semlar | well they didn't block it |
| 17:43.05 | Semlar | it's just it used to be when you set a texture it returned true or nil if it existed or not |
| 17:43.13 | End_ | I guess removing a texture file might work |
| 17:43.14 | Semlar | now it just pretends they all exist |
| 17:43.21 | End_ | adding always required a restart anyway though |
| 17:43.34 | Zootfizzle | Yeah I know End_, I'm just guessing |
| 17:43.41 | nevcairiel | End_: maybe re-adding one that was previously there worked? |
| 17:43.43 | foxlit | take your pick of that or streaming client changes in the background. |
| 17:43.52 | End_ | quite possibly |
| 17:43.53 | Zootfizzle | Gotta remember this is code I haven't seen for 3+ years and I have to imagine why they're doing things now from the way they did things then... |
| 17:43.58 | __Jamash | it's not like you can't get around all the client communication restrictions with a drinking bird anyway |
| 17:44.06 | Semlar | ah well i was just curious |
| 17:44.10 | End_ | so all your "texture bits" (one texture file per bit) start as on |
| 17:44.14 | Semlar | i found a way around it but it's horrible |
| 17:44.15 | __Jamash | just use the clipboard to transfer data in and out |
| 17:44.17 | End_ | and then you go from there |
| 17:44.41 | nevcairiel | sounds like slow communication |
| 17:44.43 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: The idea is to make communication hard. Maybe you've noticed Blizzard likes some things to be hard |
| 17:44.50 | __Jamash | and have your drinking bird poke keys for copy, paste, copy, paste |
| 17:45.07 | __Jamash | I could do it myself with my belkin n52 |
| 17:45.10 | nevcairiel | __Jamash: at that point, just hire a chinese |
| 17:45.34 | __Jamash | it has a macro system which generates hardware events, and what can wow do about that? |
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| 17:45.51 | foxlit | any ideas on how a player can be submerged but not swimming, or swimming but not submerged? |
| 17:46.01 | Zootfizzle | How many players do you think can consistently write, install, or utilize an add-on that utilizes a belkin n52 to transfer information and do something useful with it, given the number of problems that players have with regular addons? |
| 17:46.16 | __Jamash | Zootfizzle: I'm talking about using it for exploiting, not for regular play |
| 17:46.16 | Semlar | foxlit you can run on the floor of the ocean i don't know if that counts as swimming |
| 17:46.28 | __Jamash | Semlar: in some zones |
| 17:46.35 | Semlar | vashjir |
| 17:46.41 | foxlit | Semlar: bingo. |
| 17:46.49 | Semlar | you can mount up and everything |
| 17:47.01 | End_ | I didn't know you could mount up |
| 17:47.08 | End_ | but you don't spend a long time before you get the seahorse |
| 17:47.14 | Semlar | i have no idea how you'd check for that |
| 17:47.21 | __Jamash | like say I wanted to make an addon that would communicate with an external program in order to automate auction house activity |
| 17:47.32 | Unkle | You can mount in nearly any "underwater" area. Most mounts work everywhere, even when it's silly. |
| 17:47.58 | Zootfizzle | Swimming was at one point synonymous with flying |
| 17:48.04 | Zootfizzle | I think |
| 17:48.08 | foxlit | no longer. |
| 17:48.09 | Semlar | it still is |
| 17:48.10 | Zootfizzle | So you had to be able to swim with a mount for flying mounts to work |
| 17:48.26 | foxlit | Semlar: pistols at dawn? :) |
| 17:48.30 | Semlar | as far as i know flying is just swimming through the air |
| 17:48.36 | End_ | it acts a little less wacky now |
| 17:48.37 | End_ | but yeah |
| 17:48.43 | End_ | the no mount graphic is still swimming |
| 17:48.54 | __Jamash | I'd write a three command loop in the macro editor and have it press keys to copy data from the addon, the external program would read the clipboard, replace the data with commands, the macro would paste the commands into the addon's buffer, then hit a button to generate a hardware event to perform an auction house action |
| 17:48.55 | End_ | animation whatever |
| 17:48.57 | Semlar | i don't really know for sure |
| 17:49.08 | Semlar | but it would make sense to program it that way |
| 17:49.18 | Zootfizzle | If you open up the old mount models in WoWModelViewer you'll see that all the swimming animations are used for flying |
| 17:49.21 | __Jamash | oh look I just broke the wow sandbox |
| 17:49.31 | Semlar | oh well i'm not suer about that |
| 17:49.33 | End_ | they probably still are |
| 17:49.48 | End_ | but some of the weird restrictions with where flying mounts could be used has changed |
| 17:50.02 | __Jamash | why can't I mount inside the thunder bluff tower |
| 17:50.03 | End_ | wrt to water |
| 17:50.06 | Semlar | i'm trying to remember if crashing a flying mount into the water resulted in a swimming animation |
| 17:50.07 | __Jamash | WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 17:50.18 | SuperPortia|work | How old is old for the mount models, Zootfizzle? |
| 17:50.33 | Zootfizzle | Burning Crusade old |
| 17:50.35 | __Jamash | they eventually fixed undercity, even though it took months |
| 17:50.48 | __Jamash | but I still can't ride my mount up the spiral in tb |
| 17:50.50 | End_ | undercity was funny |
| 17:50.56 | Zootfizzle | __Jamash: When you try and mount it ray casts upwards and encounters a ceiling so it decides you're indoors |
| 17:50.57 | End_ | because there was random locations where it'd dismount you |
| 17:51.10 | Zootfizzle | I think they hacked under city by putting in a fake ceiling |
| 17:51.15 | __Jamash | I get that, but there are numerous locations tagged to allow it |
| 17:51.16 | SuperPortia|work | I'm fine in UC once I get down, but I so rarely use ground mounts to get there I forget how to get up and down. |
| 17:51.50 | End_ | I really wish they'd punch some holes in the undercity roof |
| 17:52.05 | __Jamash | like, I can mount inside the TB bridge houses, I think |
| 17:52.09 | __Jamash | let me see |
| 17:52.18 | Zootfizzle | Hey I've got a question for you guys |
| 17:52.20 | End_ | usually when I visit, I go in and out via the sewer because elevators |
| 17:52.34 | End_ | we have an answer, let's see if the match |
| 17:52.37 | Zootfizzle | Anybody know a good place to learn about 2d matrix transformations? |
| 17:52.47 | Semlar | zork |
| 17:52.47 | End_ | oh, I don't actually have an answer :< |
| 17:52.49 | Zootfizzle | I suck at them |
| 17:53.07 | __Jamash | zootfizzle: a textbook? |
| 17:53.29 | End_ | I think he wanted something aside from a textbook |
| 17:53.36 | Zootfizzle | I'm using the CGAffineTransform reference from developer.apple.com, but thanks for the smartass and useless response! |
| 17:53.36 | __Jamash | I'd suggest getting hold of a modern APL but I don't think there are any modern APLs |
| 17:53.44 | __Jamash | you're welcome! |
| 17:54.32 | __Jamash | anyway yes I can mount inside the TB bridge houses |
| 17:54.36 | __Jamash | but not the center |
| 17:54.52 | Zootfizzle | How sad |
| 17:54.59 | __Jamash | it's a tragedy of epic proportion |
| 17:55.00 | Semlar | zootfizzle i don't know if this helps but zork wrote a huge tutorial on settexcoord which involves matrix transformations http://www.wowwiki.com/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 17:55.31 | __Jamash | Semlar: oh I thought you were also being a smartass when you said zork |
| 17:55.35 | __Jamash | ie, the text adventure game |
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| 17:56.01 | Zootfizzle | Yay thanks Semlar |
| 17:56.01 | __Jamash | it's not so much the wasted time going up and down TB as the oddity that it's the last one left that I know of |
| 17:56.08 | pompy | ~lart Semlar |
| 17:56.08 | purl | slams Semlar against a large cement Tux |
| 17:56.10 | pompy | http://www.wowpedia.org/SetTexCoord_Transformations |
| 17:56.22 | Semlar | WOWWIKI DID IT FIRST |
| 17:56.24 | __Jamash | oh snap someone linked the wiki that shall not be named |
| 17:56.38 | __Jamash | google search blacklist seems broken |
| 17:56.40 | pompy | :P |
| 17:56.46 | Semlar | like this information ever changes |
| 17:56.47 | __Jamash | I blacklisted TWTSNBN and it keeps showing up |
| 17:56.54 | Torhal|work | Semlar: The people who added it to WoWWiki are likely the same people who now run WoWPedia. |
| 17:57.36 | Zootfizzle | Wow |
| 17:57.44 | Semlar | this appears to basically be the same article |
| 17:57.45 | Zootfizzle | It's like wowwiki is part of some weird alternate dimension |
| 17:57.52 | __Jamash | it is |
| 17:57.52 | pompy | haha |
| 17:57.55 | __Jamash | it's called "wikia" |
| 17:58.07 | __Jamash | they have their own reality |
| 17:58.07 | Zootfizzle | with more ads |
| 17:58.13 | __Jamash | oh my god |
| 17:58.15 | __Jamash | it's full of ads |
| 17:58.19 | End_ | wowwiki isn't the only wiki that's basically copied themselves away to get away from wikia |
| 17:58.23 | Zootfizzle | Hahaha |
| 17:58.26 | __Jamash | yup |
| 17:58.27 | End_ | because wikia is awful :< |
| 17:58.29 | __Jamash | yup |
| 17:59.04 | End_ | so yeah |
| 17:59.11 | __Jamash | it's almost as if someone set up a wiki farm just to make money and not to allow communities to form around sharing information about common interests |
| 17:59.15 | Semlar | oh i have adblock |
| 17:59.17 | End_ | wowpedia is most of the people who were working on wowwiki moved over |
| 17:59.20 | Semlar | so they all look the same to me |
| 17:59.23 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 17:59.28 | End_ | and speaking of which |
| 17:59.30 | End_ | it's kd3 |
| 17:59.32 | End_ | ;-p |
| 17:59.50 | End_ | who even still has a wowwiki cloak haha |
| 17:59.59 | Lopeppeppy | Huzzah. I now know what to do if I'm exposed to formaldahyde in the workplace. My day is complete! |
| 18:00.07 | __Jamash | s/most of the/all the good/ |
| 18:00.20 | Torhal|work | Lopeppeppy: Stop drinking bathtub hootch? |
| 18:00.26 | __Jamash | Lopeppeppy: sue? |
| 18:00.26 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy: Stop eating maraschino cherries? |
| 18:01.40 | SuperPortia|work | Torhal: is there a way to open up a specific entry in collectinator programatically? |
| 18:01.44 | __Jamash | my friend had to leave her job working with toxic chemicals because she got pregnant :X |
| 18:01.52 | Zootfizzle | Yeah |
| 18:01.55 | Zootfizzle | that sounds horrible for her |
| 18:02.00 | Zootfizzle | She doesn't get to work with toxic chemicals |
| 18:02.01 | Zootfizzle | darn |
| 18:02.08 | __Jamash | that's what she said! |
| 18:02.14 | __Jamash | my friend is also crazy |
| 18:02.20 | SuperPortia|work | Maybe she liked working with toxic chemicals (chemists often do) |
| 18:02.25 | Zootfizzle | Next they'll be limiting exposure to rare earth alkaloids and gamma radiation |
| 18:02.39 | Torhal|work | SuperPortia|work: ? |
| 18:03.07 | SuperPortia|work | I was considering adding an option to find a mount in Collectinator and show it. |
| 18:03.22 | __Jamash | also then the company imploded in a scandal which republicans used to try to attack green power spending in the stimulus bill |
| 18:03.38 | __Jamash | I like to think that she was the one thing keeping them afloat |
| 18:03.55 | Zootfizzle | Your friend worked for Solyndra? |
| 18:03.57 | Lopeppeppy | I do work on the chemistry and biology wing, so reading this stuff as I post it is important to my safety. I know where the chemical shower is and the eyewash sink. And which exits are NOT toward that area! |
| 18:03.59 | __Jamash | maaaaaaaaaaaaybe |
| 18:04.02 | pompy | :O |
| 18:04.04 | __Jamash | (yes) |
| 18:04.08 | Zootfizzle | Talk about a green herring |
| 18:04.44 | Torhal|work | I don't have any public APIs for Collectinator yet. |
| 18:04.45 | Zootfizzle | Investment in solar power is bad! Pay no attention to the oil titans behind the curtain |
| 18:05.00 | __Jamash | oh man |
| 18:05.03 | __Jamash | you want to talk about oil |
| 18:05.06 | Zootfizzle | No |
| 18:05.08 | Zootfizzle | No I don't |
| 18:05.11 | End_ | hahaha |
| 18:05.14 | Zootfizzle | You complain about the tower in Thunder Bluff |
| 18:05.17 | SuperPortia|work | Is there a plan to do so? |
| 18:05.18 | Zootfizzle | I don't want to talk about oil with you |
| 18:05.27 | Zootfizzle | <3 |
| 18:05.28 | Zootfizzle | :) |
| 18:06.32 | __Jamash | check this shit out http://truth-out.org/news/item/13136-bayou-frack-out-the-massive-oil-and-gas-disaster-youve-never-heard-of |
| 18:06.32 | Zootfizzle | Man |
| 18:06.42 | Zootfizzle | That's what WoW needs from the original Warcraft world |
| 18:06.47 | Zootfizzle | Oil as a resource |
| 18:06.53 | Zootfizzle | You float around on a tiny raft |
| 18:06.56 | Zootfizzle | And drop little oilwells |
| 18:06.57 | __Jamash | I think you mean "naval combat" |
| 18:07.02 | Zootfizzle | No, no |
| 18:07.05 | Zootfizzle | PVP is bad |
| 18:07.08 | Zootfizzle | Resource gathering is good |
| 18:07.10 | __Jamash | NAVAL COMBAT |
| 18:07.23 | Zootfizzle | When you PVP that's two people on a server close to each other, that's a lot of processing |
| 18:07.24 | mikma | navel |
| 18:07.28 | Zootfizzle | Better if everyone is far, far away |
| 18:07.30 | __Jamash | I like how they put in warcraft II battle music into pet battles |
| 18:07.31 | Zootfizzle | Communicating only with tells |
| 18:07.38 | Zootfizzle | And pets |
| 18:07.46 | __Jamash | which reminds me how much better warcraft II's music is than wow's |
| 18:07.55 | __Jamash | oh you've seen that one have you |
| 18:07.57 | End_ | I like some of wow's music |
| 18:08.03 | End_ | unfortunately I also don't like some of it |
| 18:08.07 | End_ | which means it usually just ends up off |
| 18:08.15 | Zootfizzle | Some of WoW's music is pretty great |
| 18:08.17 | __Jamash | some campers were standing on top of my sister's character's corpse using battle pet names to tell her to use her soulstone |
| 18:08.35 | Zootfizzle | But WarCraft II's music was so good that they put it on the CD |
| 18:08.38 | Zootfizzle | As audio data |
| 18:08.39 | __Jamash | wow has some great music, agreed, but wcII in my opinion had a consistently higher level of quality |
| 18:08.46 | Zootfizzle | You could put the WarCraft II CD into any CD player and listen to the soundtrack |
| 18:08.50 | __Jamash | yeah you had to turn that off to play multiplayer |
| 18:08.51 | End_ | that was pretty common thing to do back then |
| 18:08.53 | Zootfizzle | It was beauteous. |
| 18:08.55 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/Amazon/posts/10151225990398124 |
| 18:08.55 | End_ | but yeah |
| 18:09.09 | End_ | back in the day I did that too |
| 18:09.22 | __Jamash | synchronous communication + 8 people's computers freezing for half a second when their cd-rom drives changed tracks = bad |
| 18:09.23 | Zootfizzle | I think WarCraft II was the first CD that damaged my hearing permanently |
| 18:09.47 | __Jamash | except everyone said TURN MUSIC OFF when what they should have said was TURN MIDI ON |
| 18:09.53 | __Jamash | it confused me |
| 18:09.54 | Zootfizzle | Letting the hardware interrupt on a CD-ROM drive freeze your entire computer because it's changing tracks = bad |
| 18:09.59 | TC-work | So there was a second CD that damaged it permanently..... |
| 18:10.00 | __Jamash | well, yeah |
| 18:10.03 | __Jamash | this was DOS |
| 18:10.12 | __Jamash | DOS isn't an operating system |
| 18:10.20 | __Jamash | don't let the name fool you |
| 18:10.33 | Zootfizzle | It's fooled so many |
| 18:10.39 | __Jamash | true story mate |
| 18:10.45 | Zootfizzle | Just like BIOS isn't a Basic IO S |
| 18:10.56 | End_ | I dunno I think the name is very precise |
| 18:11.02 | Zootfizzle | More like a Borderline IOS |
| 18:11.05 | Zootfizzle | Barely IOS |
| 18:11.07 | End_ | all it does is manage hard disks |
| 18:11.42 | __Jamash | dos is a crappy shell on top of a couple of TSRs |
| 18:11.53 | Zootfizzle | Make sure you install Stacker |
| 18:12.06 | Zootfizzle | Compress your 40MB HDD to be a 65MB HDD! |
| 18:12.09 | __Jamash | did you know quake I was a 32-bit DOS program? |
| 18:12.42 | Zootfizzle | did it have any other choice? |
| 18:12.44 | __Jamash | this is interesting because there was no such thing as 32-bit DOS |
| 18:13.34 | __Jamash | it switched in and out of real mode to protected mode and copied data in and out of the 1MB limit dozens of times a second |
| 18:13.42 | Zootfizzle | Reminds me of 48-bit large block addressing |
| 18:14.00 | __Jamash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJGPP |
| 18:15.11 | mikma | http://hackaday.com/2012/12/10/transmit-fm-using-raspberry-pi-and-no-additional-hardware/ |
| 18:15.26 | __Jamash | is this like putting an AM radio on top of an altair? |
| 18:15.39 | ZorbaTHut | jamash, not really surprising, I'm pretty sure dos4gw was the same thing |
| 18:16.15 | __Jamash | yeah, more or less |
| 18:16.27 | Zootfizzle | Why wouldn't you want to put an AM radio on top of an altair? That sounds cool |
| 18:16.38 | ZorbaTHut | I vaguely remember there was a similar win3.1 extender but I'm not sure it was used for much |
| 18:16.48 | End_ | there was win32s |
| 18:16.50 | __Jamash | win32s! |
| 18:17.09 | ZorbaTHut | ah yeah, that's it |
| 18:17.23 | End_ | and not a lot, but there was probably some software written for winnt that would also run under win32s |
| 18:17.36 | __Jamash | some, yeah |
| 18:17.44 | Unkle | And in the early to mid 90s, programming advice fora advised learning to write all your stuff for win32s so that when NT finally took over the world you'd have less re-writting to do. |
| 18:17.58 | End_ | well |
| 18:18.01 | End_ | nt did, eventually |
| 18:18.36 | Unkle | exactly. But try convincing a buch of shitty programmers that DOS was going the way of the dodo in 1994. |
| 18:19.04 | mikma | i think that discovery will actually help people build better multimedia raspi's in their car |
| 18:19.15 | __Jamash | the warcraft II map editor used win32s |
| 18:19.20 | End_ | oh yeah |
| 18:19.23 | End_ | yeah it did |
| 18:19.55 | Zootfizzle | Unfortunately |
| 18:19.57 | pompy | lol jjust got a d3 acct scam china email |
| 18:20.07 | Zootfizzle | The same people probably wrote the StarCraft II editor :P |
| 18:20.09 | pompy | under the hyperlink text the link points to ustl edu cn :o |
| 18:20.14 | End_ | haha |
| 18:21.08 | Zootfizzle | Actually my best friend in Cali worked on the SC2 editor for a year or so, he's pretty smart and a better programmer than me :) |
| 18:21.18 | Zootfizzle | Which isn't saying much I guess, but I imagine it works well |
| 18:22.05 | mikma | https://soundcloud.com/astrix-official/j PISTOLEEEROOOOOO! |
| 18:22.53 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/8091050/World_of_Warcraft_Fast_Patch_510A_Notes-12_10_2012 |
| 18:26.24 | Zootfizzle | I wonder what they really fixed |
| 18:26.40 | mikma | reverse engineer it |
| 18:27.05 | Zootfizzle | Probably just that Pet Battle thing |
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| 18:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | I am possessed of a sudden need to Make All The Cookies. |
| 18:29.28 | pompy | yet did they fix the 43 years ago bug or the broken shadopan garrison flight path!? :o |
| 18:29.54 | Zootfizzle | Can I convince you to possess the need to Send Me All The Cookies? |
| 18:30.39 | Zootfizzle | Shadopan sounds like a dark pandaran city with an unimaginative name. |
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| 18:31.56 | __Jamash | I refuse to use the SCII editor because the license agreement demands not just that blizzard gets a worldwide perpetual license blah blah but purports to claim that you have to assign copyright to maps to blizzard |
| 18:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | Let's see if the urge lives until tomorrow, Zoot, but I'll keep in mind that I have someone to ship them off to. |
| 18:32.02 | mikma | http://openelec.tv/news/item/258-our-christmas-present-win-a-free-raspberrypi-media-center |
| 18:32.07 | __Jamash | this violates california law btw |
| 18:32.27 | Zootfizzle | Since when has violating a law stopped a Blizzard TOS/License agreement? |
| 18:32.56 | __Jamash | never |
| 18:33.02 | Zootfizzle | Glad we're in agreement |
| 18:33.03 | __Jamash | also, s/Blizzard // |
| 18:36.15 | Unkle | pompy: Are you referring to the thing where you arrive on the flight path, then get a loading screen, and then arrive at one flight point earlier on your trek? |
| 18:36.23 | pompy | yeah |
| 18:36.57 | Unkle | It's more than Shado-Pan. It's Jade Temple Grounds or anywhere there's phasing to add in dailies. |
| 18:37.02 | pompy | yup |
| 18:37.18 | Zootfizzle | Hmmm |
| 18:37.25 | Zootfizzle | Wow |
| 18:37.27 | Zootfizzle | Silly Zoot |
| 18:37.31 | Zootfizzle | Stop trying to solve Blizzard's problems |
| 18:37.34 | Zootfizzle | You don't work there any more |
| 18:37.36 | __Jamash | yes |
| 18:37.37 | Zootfizzle | Get back to work on your game |
| 18:37.39 | __Jamash | you're free! |
| 18:37.43 | __Jamash | tell me about your game |
| 18:37.49 | mikma | beta us |
| 18:37.52 | mikma | lolz |
| 18:37.54 | __Jamash | ^ |
| 18:38.00 | Unkle | They may take your life, but they will never take your FREEDOM! |
| 18:38.01 | Zootfizzle | It's a puzzle game for smartphones that is based on particle physics |
| 18:38.03 | mikma | oh btw |
| 18:38.04 | __Jamash | are you working with my cousin? XD |
| 18:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | You can't take the sky from me. |
| 18:38.14 | __Jamash | ^ |
| 18:38.16 | mikma | marvel heroes has opened up beta, go and try your luck |
| 18:38.21 | clever | Lopeppeppy: :D |
| 18:38.31 | mikma | zootfizzle: angry... sprockets? |
| 18:38.37 | Arrowmaster | so my Pocket TV arrived |
| 18:38.46 | mikma | arrowmaster: MK803 III ? |
| 18:38.52 | Zootfizzle | I was gonna go with just Sprockets |
| 18:38.56 | Zootfizzle | Angry sounds rather cog like |
| 18:39.05 | mikma | Smoothy Sprockets |
| 18:39.23 | Zootfizzle | Jamba Sprockets? |
| 18:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | There's juice in there. Somewhere. |
| 18:40.32 | Arrowmaster | mikma: no http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/484889112/the-pocket-tv-makes-any-tv-a-smart-tv |
| 18:40.56 | Zootfizzle | Holy crap my code is working |
| 18:40.57 | mikma | arrowmaster: ouch ;( |
| 18:41.01 | Zootfizzle | What happened?! |
| 18:41.12 | Arrowmaster | mikma: why? |
| 18:41.26 | mikma | arrowmaster: how much did you pay from that? |
| 18:41.52 | Arrowmaster | $145 total for the one with the AirRemote |
| 18:41.58 | Arrowmaster | which im not liking the AirRemote |
| 18:42.30 | mikma | arrowmaster: mmkay. do you wan't the positive or the negative first? i have both :P |
| 18:42.50 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 18:42.58 | mikma | facts |
| 18:43.31 | mikma | arrowmaster: i'll go with the positive first: |
| 18:43.41 | Lopeppeppy | Okey dokey peoples. I'm checking myself out for some quality sheeple time until close of day. Stay shiney. |
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| 18:44.13 | mikma | arrowmaster: it runs with the Cortex A9 chip which is good if you wish to use ie. hardcore linux (latest ubuntu) instead of that android 4.0 |
| 18:45.51 | mikma | arrowmaster: but for that cost, you could have ordered Rikomagic MK803 III + ie. Riitek RT-MWK01 mini wireless 2.4 GHz Keyboard-mouse Combo |
| 18:46.25 | mikma | err, MK802 III* |
| 18:46.32 | mikma | but... |
| 18:47.14 | mikma | MK802 III runs with Rockchip RK3066 and that's not compatible with ubuntu atm. it's pretty much closed source |
| 18:47.20 | Arrowmaster | ~ping |
| 18:47.20 | purl | ~pong |
| 18:47.33 | alestane | Oh hey, Cairenn. |
| 18:47.36 | mikma | arrowmaster: the one you ordered runs 4.0 android and ie. mk802iii runs 4.1 |
| 18:47.41 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 18:47.46 | alestane | Look, it's a Zootfizzle! |
| 18:48.08 | alestane | Break out the sprockets! |
| 18:48.12 | Cairenn | I know :) |
| 18:48.56 | Cairenn | He's been lurking around a bit again, is nice :) |
| 18:48.59 | Zootfizzle | Sprockets for everyone! |
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| 18:52.04 | Arrowmaster`` | mikma: wireless died on other laptop |
| 18:52.21 | mikma | arrowmaster``: guess you have backlog on that shell |
| 18:52.35 | Arrowmaster`` | but when i ordered the pocket tv, i dont think the mk803 was announced |
| 18:52.53 | mikma | arrowmaster``: you ordered it when, year ago? :O |
| 18:53.07 | Arrowmaster`` | mine does have 8gb of internal memory |
| 18:53.29 | Arrowmaster`` | mikma: 6 months ago maybe, i dont know i wasnt keeping up with the mk80x's because i didnt like the specs on the 802 |
| 18:53.49 | mikma | the one i have has only 4 jiggabytes |
| 18:54.12 | mikma | arrowmaster``: specs on 802 are pretty much the same, minus the bluetooth and extra 4gb |
| 18:54.15 | Arrowmaster`` | part of the reason i ordered this one was the airremote but as i said its rather disappointing |
| 18:54.24 | mikma | arrowmaster``: i'm guessing those both use the same chip that can run ubuntu |
| 18:55.05 | mikma | arrowmaster``: oh and i accidentally said MK803, it's a typo, it's MK802 always. MK802 and MK802 III |
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| 18:55.12 | mikma | arrowmaster``: MK802 II also exists :P |
| 18:57.12 | Arrowmaster`` | i think i know why my wifi died, the pocket tv is right next to that laptop |
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| 18:58.43 | mikma | arrowmaster``: have fun rooting that bi*ch :P i know i didn't |
| 18:59.01 | __Jamash | kinky |
| 18:59.22 | pompy | http://www.polygon.com/2012/11/28/3702836/batman-arkham-city-board-game-adaptation-coming-2013 |
| 18:59.37 | Arrowmaster`` | hmm maybe that wasnt it, after a reboot speeds still the same |
| 19:00.00 | __Jamash | there's a battleship board game based on the movie based on the board game |
| 19:00.07 | __Jamash | the singularity is upon us |
| 19:00.32 | Gnarfoz | nevermind that there's words with friends board game based on the smartphone game based on the original scrabble |
| 19:00.35 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 19:01.20 | __Jamash | I went to the game store and there were probably five different distinct angry birds products |
| 19:01.28 | __Jamash | the card and board game store |
| 19:01.31 | __Jamash | not the video game stor |
| 19:01.31 | __Jamash | e |
| 19:02.08 | __Jamash | so on the topic of refactoring and shit I'm staring learning aid over mostly from scratch |
| 19:02.15 | mikma | arrowmaster``: i had to change the channel in my wifi after i got me pocket tv |
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| 19:02.29 | mikma | arrowmaster``: i have no idea why the old frequency 'died' on my laptop and pocket tv |
| 19:02.38 | __Jamash | more than half the code in it is to deal with limitations of the ui and event code and game design that no longer exist |
| 19:03.37 | __Jamash | like now that LEARNED_SPELL_IN_TAB provides the spell id I don't need to be constantly diffing the spellbook |
| 19:04.02 | __Jamash | ranks haven't existed for ages, talents are completely different |
| 19:04.08 | __Jamash | etc. |
| 19:04.35 | __Jamash | and my UI design was kind of not awesome |
| 19:06.07 | SuperPortia|work | I heard there was a way to get JSON out of WoWDB |
| 19:06.24 | mikma | atleast that's what i did with wowhead ;) |
| 19:06.33 | __Jamash | time to learn LDB |
| 19:07.12 | pompy | oops logged in without rechecking load out of date addons.. i puked. |
| 19:07.12 | pompy | :D |
| 19:07.29 | mikma | why do you hate the default ui |
| 19:07.37 | __Jamash | /console checkAddonVersion 0 |
| 19:07.39 | Zootfizzle | The default UI hates you |
| 19:07.52 | pompy | heh |
| 19:07.54 | mikma | works the best in all situations, until it brakes down |
| 19:07.58 | __Jamash | I have it in a macro |
| 19:08.14 | __Jamash | then /reload |
| 19:08.20 | bluspacecow | both in a macro |
| 19:08.23 | __Jamash | yes |
| 19:08.23 | bluspacecow | with cheese. |
| 19:08.28 | mikma | i came into a conclusion that once you get the default ui buttons set, your ui works with ALL COMPUTERS! |
| 19:08.32 | __Jamash | macroroni and cheese |
| 19:08.37 | mikma | try doing the same with ie. LOL BARTENDER |
| 19:08.43 | __Jamash | mikma: you mean it sucks equally everwhere? |
| 19:08.50 | bluspacecow | its ok mikma |
| 19:08.54 | bluspacecow | if it doesn't work just apply TNT till it does |
| 19:09.05 | mikma | __jamash: yeap, and works just fine without tweaking |
| 19:09.08 | Zootfizzle | You mean it's been all this time and they still don't have any server side add-on variables? |
| 19:09.21 | mikma | bluspacecow: you missed the bridge video we had stored for you |
| 19:09.31 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 19:09.32 | __Jamash | bartender is much better since I harassed nevcairiel into making the blizzard profile the default |
| 19:09.47 | mikma | bad nevcairiel |
| 19:09.53 | Dagmar | Zootfizzle: How much cloud storage would you like them to reserve for say... everyone's aggregated Auctioneer scan data? |
| 19:09.56 | __Jamash | instead of just barfing bars all over the center of the UI |
| 19:10.04 | __Jamash | Dagmar: let google host it they don't care |
| 19:10.09 | Zootfizzle | Dagmar: None. Let people store it in their own cloud |
| 19:10.10 | mikma | the whole idea before was the fact that bartender used the same order than defautl ui used, but you could move the buttons |
| 19:10.23 | bluspacecow | doen't matter Dagmar |
| 19:10.24 | bluspacecow | cloud = magic |
| 19:10.26 | Zootfizzle | Dagmar: They already make everyone bit torrent patches from each other, might as well store UI data that way |
| 19:10.30 | __Jamash | mikma: still is AFAIK |
| 19:10.30 | Dagmar | Jamash: ...and that's why being able to move the mount point for Google Drive is handy |
| 19:10.41 | mikma | __jamash: i hope so or i'm gonna assrape nevcairiel |
| 19:10.57 | __Jamash | Dagmar: GDrive doesn't support symlinks yet which is why it is not as good as derpbox |
| 19:11.42 | Dagmar | WTF do symlinks have to do with this? |
| 19:11.47 | bluspacecow | oh rly? |
| 19:12.04 | bluspacecow | i dunno dagmar |
| 19:12.07 | bluspacecow | Donuts ? |
| 19:12.14 | __Jamash | I want to be able to symlinks in my gdrive folder to include other folders elsewhere on my disk without moving them into the gdrive folder |
| 19:12.19 | __Jamash | *to put |
| 19:12.25 | mikma | bluspacecow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVNM8LFVzUE |
| 19:12.40 | mikma | bluspacecow: NEEDS MORE NONELS AND DYNAMITE |
| 19:13.00 | bluspacecow | woah |
| 19:13.07 | bluspacecow | you got to destroy a bridge |
| 19:13.08 | bluspacecow | awesome |
| 19:13.09 | Dagmar | Jamash: Then you get to explain to Windows users about symlinks. |
| 19:13.11 | __Jamash | burning bridges is old news |
| 19:13.14 | mikma | bluspacecow: no, i didn't |
| 19:13.18 | mikma | bluspacecow: someone did but not me :( |
| 19:13.20 | __Jamash | detonating bridges is the new hotness |
| 19:13.29 | __Jamash | Dagmar: dropbox supports it |
| 19:13.34 | Dagmar | Frankly, I just move the GDrive mountpoint and work the other way around. |
| 19:13.39 | bluspacecow | this despite unix users have been doing symlinks for years |
| 19:13.41 | bluspacecow | so old school. |
| 19:13.59 | __Jamash | yeah I like how you have to run an elevated prompt to make symlinks in windows |
| 19:14.10 | SuperPortia|work | Windows has the equivalent of symlinks |
| 19:14.19 | mikma | bluspacecow: "nonel"s are the first flashes you see, they are the detonators, pretty in the dark |
| 19:14.20 | __Jamash | because users can't be trusted with the AWESOME POWER |
| 19:14.28 | Dagmar | No they have "real" symlinks now, too. They just still suck. |
| 19:14.41 | __Jamash | the symlinks are fine, windows just sucks |
| 19:15.17 | __Jamash | also the command line arguments are in the wrong order |
| 19:15.56 | __Jamash | "mklink link target" vs "ln -s target link" |
| 19:16.12 | pompy | isnt it called junction or something? |
| 19:16.15 | Ressy | There's a plugin for windows so you can do symlinks via mouse, instead of command line. |
| 19:16.24 | SuperPortia|work | There are two kinds of links like that. |
| 19:16.25 | __Jamash | also you need a special command line option to create a directory link vs a file link |
| 19:16.25 | Ressy | No matter what I did, couldn't get symlink working via cmd line |
| 19:16.33 | SuperPortia|work | One of them is called a junction |
| 19:16.33 | __Jamash | you gotta run an elevated command prompt |
| 19:16.47 | foxlit | proptip: you want junctions |
| 19:16.48 | __Jamash | mklink link file or mklink /d link directory |
| 19:16.59 | foxlit | not directory links. |
| 19:17.03 | __Jamash | why? |
| 19:17.13 | Ressy | __Jamash: Didn't matter. |
| 19:17.17 | foxlit | junctions work over network shares. |
| 19:17.28 | __Jamash | witchcraft! |
| 19:17.34 | __Jamash | wait, which way |
| 19:17.35 | foxlit | while directory links get you a nice shortcut but no actual directory contents. |
| 19:17.53 | __Jamash | if you share a file system with links on it, you mean? |
| 19:18.11 | __Jamash | or if you create a link to a remote filesystem |
| 19:18.19 | foxlit | the former. |
| 19:18.22 | __Jamash | ah |
| 19:18.24 | __Jamash | did not know that |
| 19:18.33 | __Jamash | I don't use windows shares anymore so it doesn't affect me |
| 19:19.21 | __Jamash | well, that's not strictly true, but the only windows shares I use are on my linux server :P |
| 19:20.04 | __Jamash | I mostly use winscp or sshfs |
| 19:20.14 | __Jamash | or thumbdrives |
| 19:20.20 | __Jamash | or dropbox |
| 19:20.56 | __Jamash | I'm glad the macro UI got a save / revert button at least |
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| 19:22.43 | mikma | http://www.indiegogo.com/shortcrust |
| 19:22.57 | mikma | oh i like that baby, i put on my robe and wizard hat |
| 19:23.32 | pompy | lol http://nerdreactor.com/2012/12/10/logisys-pc-remote-start/ |
| 19:23.48 | Arrowmaster | thats better, getting 10x the download speed now |
| 19:24.17 | Arrowmaster | i removed wicd and configured the wifi manually |
| 19:24.50 | __Jamash | the case costs as much as the computer |
| 19:25.00 | mikma | but is super sweet |
| 19:26.47 | mikma | anyone got any experience with 3rd party usb pedals (single one exactly) |
| 19:28.06 | __Jamash | ok, lua browser, hack and bug grabber |
| 19:28.12 | __Jamash | any other awesome dev tools? |
| 19:28.20 | mikma | spew |
| 19:29.08 | __Jamash | nice |
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| 19:29.35 | AcidWeb | _dev and _devpad |
| 19:30.38 | __Jamash | how's devpad better than hack? |
| 19:35.29 | mikma | __jamash: oh, and my super addon that's extremely simple: http://mikma.eu/wow/DebugSV/ |
| 19:35.56 | Semlar | you know what would be nice, if you could request what arguments an api function took and returned |
| 19:36.27 | nevcairiel | plenty apis tell you their parameters if you call them wrong =p |
| 19:36.31 | Semlar | some of them |
| 19:36.42 | Semlar | some of them even tell you what they return |
| 19:36.51 | __Jamash | introspection? in my wow? |
| 19:37.04 | Semlar | but it would be nice if you could actually GET that information normally |
| 19:37.19 | Semlar | or if they documented it somewhere |
| 19:37.26 | __Jamash | grep the exe :X |
| 19:37.48 | Semlar | you can pull the arguments out of it? |
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| 19:37.57 | Semlar | how do i do that |
| 19:38.38 | Semlar | wouldn't wowprogramming be able to automatically generate most of their pages if you could |
| 19:43.07 | __Jamash | you just those error messages that nev mentioned |
| 19:43.10 | __Jamash | *just get |
| 19:44.18 | __Jamash | time to set up my coding music playlist |
| 19:44.41 | __Jamash | I have to avoid most music with english lyrics to keep the language part of my brain from getting distracted |
| 19:44.55 | __Jamash | so I end up with a lot of anime soundtracks, instrumentals and Rammstein |
| 19:46.12 | mikma | mein land |
| 19:47.14 | mikma | __jamash: go and listen RAMMSTEIN - PUSSY! OH YEAH BABY |
| 19:48.30 | mikma | __jamash: http://www.novamov.com/video/xmemye3lyg32j |
| 19:49.02 | SuperPortia|work | Can you add line feeds to your GameTooltip:AddLine() without calling AddLine multiple times? |
| 19:49.31 | Arrowmaster`` | mikma: well this is fucking useless, my 8gb of internel memory is formated a 4gb for apps and 3gb for /sdcard/ |
| 19:50.26 | __Jamash | you link that like I don't already own Liebe Ist Für Alle Da |
| 19:50.47 | Arrowmaster`` | it should be combined like the newer devices do it, my n7 has 15gb for both |
| 19:50.47 | mikma | arrowmaster``: indeed, and OH BOY HAVE FUN PLUGGING ie. USB MEMORY IN! |
| 19:51.03 | Torhal|work | For the insane among the pen-and-paper RPG folks: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/124127689/precision-machined-dice?ref=home_popular |
| 19:51.18 | mikma | arrowmaster``: cause, you know, android doesn't have automount for usb sticks. just for usb hdd's |
| 19:53.17 | __Jamash | Torhal|work: not interested until the full set of platonic solids + d10s |
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| 19:54.04 | mikma | arrowmaster``: for the record: I managed to root my mk802, and found a program that can mount usb sticks. |
| 19:54.21 | Arrowmaster`` | i have stickmount on my nexus7 |
| 19:54.41 | karl_w_w | what christmas song has snow in the title? |
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| 19:55.28 | mikma | arrowmaster``: sure, sure you do, but try getting that shit working in the one you got. i found exactly one software that actually works |
| 19:55.53 | mikma | arrowmaster``: and oh boy when my mk802 iii arrives, i need to do that crap all over :D |
| 19:56.26 | mikma | arrowmaster``: https://www.miniand.com/wiki/MK802+III/Root+in+Detail |
| 19:56.41 | TC-work | karl_w_w: like 'let it snow'? |
| 19:56.56 | mikma | arrowmaster``: only root that worked in mk802 (4.0 android) |
| 19:56.59 | Arrowmaster | theres a recovery button on the side |
| 19:57.12 | Arrowmaster | but ill still need a recovery image to put on it |
| 19:57.36 | Arrowmaster | ill raise hell if they dont help support rooting it like they promissed |
| 19:58.09 | mikma | they advertised that mk802 is pre-rooted. the hell it is |
| 19:59.27 | mikma | apparently there's several versions of the box i have with different manufacturers |
| 19:59.39 | mikma | cause mine's missing the recovery-button you hold while booting |
| 20:00.50 | Arrowmaster | i read something saying theres a lot of different things advertised as mk802s that arent |
| 20:01.05 | mikma | this was just "android 4.0 mini pc" |
| 20:01.56 | mikma | arrowmaster``: http://www.e-ville.com/en/7-multimedia--players/6381-android-tv-computer.html |
| 20:02.06 | Arrowmaster | how many other android devices have you rooted? |
| 20:02.16 | mikma | arrowmaster``: i ordered it from there, it was sale with 35e back then |
| 20:02.31 | mikma | arrowmaster``: two, my GT-I5800 samsung galaxy 3 with android 2.3 and that |
| 20:02.43 | mikma | arrowmaster``: but! there's more |
| 20:02.48 | mikma | arrowmaster``: juuuust a sex |
| 20:03.00 | mikma | arrowmaster``: you're gonna love this |
| 20:03.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah that page with root instructions is fucking crazy, its not that hard to root a device, i would never do it with a random program in chineese |
| 20:03.43 | mikma | arrowmaster``: that's the *ONLY* root program that actually worked |
| 20:03.45 | Arrowmaster | unlock bootloader, load custom recovery, push superuser.apk |
| 20:04.09 | Arrowmaster | i did my first root on my nexus s using linux and pure SDK tools |
| 20:04.21 | mikma | arrowmaster``: i tried pretty much everything, SuperOneClick 2.3.3, Uberizer ... |
| 20:04.41 | Arrowmaster | only reason i used a toolkit on my n7 was because i was stuck with windows and needed the proper usb drivers |
| 20:04.44 | mikma | arrowmaster``: here, http://hackaday.com/2012/12/05/common-linux-tools-on-android-without-root-by-installing-busybox/ |
| 20:04.59 | bleeter | scrolls back to find out what 5.1.0a is all about |
| 20:05.15 | bleeter | I presume, mainly, it's about no patches and major shutdowns for maintenance this week |
| 20:06.53 | mikma | arrowmaster``: keeping my hopes up for that when the mark 3 arrives |
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| 20:20.43 | bleeter | what a shitty bunch of patches :( http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/8091050/World_of_Warcraft_Fast_Patch_510A_Notes-12_10_2012 |
| 20:20.50 | bleeter | still, of course, highly appreciated :) |
| 20:21.46 | bleeter | teehee "Night will now fall at the proper time on all realms." |
| 20:23.56 | mikma | oh shi.. |
| 20:24.21 | pompy | so game breaking |
| 20:24.22 | pompy | lemme tell ya :P |
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| 20:26.55 | mikma | http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/14k5o3/raspberry_pi_fm_transmitter_with_no_additional/ <- people are correct, it's most likely illegal to transmit fm with that power :D |
| 20:30.10 | bleeter | I wonder if night falling at the proper time will mean that STV is all sharing the precise same time during the fishing tournie next weekend |
| 20:30.28 | bleeter | seeing bits 3 mins out of sync with each other was... 'amusing' |
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| 20:32.57 | bleeter | Zoot|afkSprocket: best wishes of the season to you and yours and your extended yours at work ;) |
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| 20:37.48 | TC-work | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shota/tailly-the-tail-that-wags-when-you-get-excited this is taking furry to a whole new level |
| 20:38.19 | nevcairiel | what the.. |
| 20:38.30 | nevcairiel | the japanese are on it again |
| 20:38.56 | karl_w_w | implying they were off it |
| 20:39.30 | TC-work | I suspect it will be in a porn less than 24 hours after shipping if funded |
| 20:40.54 | karl_w_w | the cosplayability! |
| 20:41.09 | SuperPortia|work | I suspect at some point it's going to be used as an excuse for sexual assault. "Look judge she was clearly into me because her tail was wagging." |
| 20:44.01 | bluspacecow | objection : that's the dogs method of transporation |
| 20:44.17 | Semlar | they ride their tails? |
| 20:44.45 | bluspacecow | no they get so excite their tails become helicopters |
| 20:44.54 | Semlar | i thought that was just foxes |
| 20:45.02 | TC-work | NZ must have some odd puppies |
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| 20:45.59 | Semlar | they evolved in isolation |
| 20:46.13 | Semlar | you know how it is |
| 20:46.27 | TC-work | well, that explains Blu then |
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| 21:41.15 | Semlar | does it though |
| 21:48.56 | Unkle | Nothing explains Blu. |
| 21:49.09 | Unkle | Blu simply IS. |
| 21:49.26 | alestane | "Plus, armed with Kiko’s official sigil: [GLYPH] there’s no end to the branding opportunities, one of which could be for use as a literal brand." |
| 21:52.30 | Dagmar | NSFW Warning: The rest of Penny Arcade's blog scroll is dickerdoodle pictures today. |
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| 21:58.59 | alestane | They're from previous years, but yes. |
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| 22:40.59 | bleeter | goes back to wondering why tailors are so stupid they've not invented tailoring bags yet |
| 22:44.45 | __Jamash | woohoo, I'm closing my wells fargo checking account |
| 22:50.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 22:51.42 | Unkle | Wells Fargo... Because when they drill a well in your financial ass, they want to know how far they can go. |
| 22:51.59 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 22:52.12 | Unkle | They have some SERIOUS fees. |
| 22:52.30 | TC-work | I went to ing, then they just got bought by chase.....fml |
| 22:52.38 | Cairenn | ah |
| 22:58.06 | Gnarfoz | anyone own a sony nex cam here? :o |
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| 23:12.32 | __Jamash | I'm going over to a credit union |
| 23:12.40 | SuperPortia|work | I love mine |
| 23:13.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Arazon (~chatzilla@c-50-130-0-116.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 23:15.02 | Arrowmaster | ive got a Huntington checking account and a small savings account at a credit union just so i have membership and credit |
| 23:15.30 | Arrowmaster | The Frozen Throne IRL http://i.imgur.com/YFlXO.jpg |
| 23:15.37 | Arazon | I have a a bank account to put my moneys |
| 23:15.54 | Arazon | whoa |
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| 23:28.19 | __Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.05 | Arazon | ~lart grep |
| 23:36.05 | purl | blasts grep to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 23:39.54 | VIad | racist? |
| 23:40.07 | VIad | "but we cannot guarantee that it will work with people of all ages, body types and races" |
| 23:40.11 | VIad | "and races"? lol |
| 23:40.30 | VIad | germans have no hearts? |
| 23:40.34 | Cairenn | what are you on about, VIad? |
| 23:40.48 | VIad | what TC linked at 2137 |
| 23:41.21 | VIad | kickstarter |
| 23:41.26 | Cairenn | ah |
| 23:41.50 | Cairenn | that's the same idea as the ears |
| 23:43.02 | Gnarfoz | VIad: since when are germans a race... what |
| 23:43.30 | VIad | I just said, since the text suggests the device won't work for all races, I ask is it like that some races have no hearts? :P joke |
| 23:43.53 | Gnarfoz | ... |
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| 23:52.08 | Mr_Rabies | nothing quite like logging into the game inside a wolf |
| 23:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | dangit, wolf, stop breakin' all my addons |
| 23:56.44 | pompy | http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/12/psy-apologizes-for-kill-those-f-ing-yankees-comments/ |
