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| 00:32.39 | Semlar | okay, i's back |
| 00:33.16 | Semlar | VLAD did you run off |
| 00:34.38 | Vlad| | I am here |
| 00:34.47 | Semlar | what's the deal with the cache |
| 00:34.58 | Vlad| | what cache? :3 |
| 00:35.15 | Semlar | the EJ items aren't available until something happens |
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| 00:35.51 | Semlar | did you figure out what has to be called first |
| 00:36.02 | Vlad| | actually I watched family guy with a friend LOL |
| 00:36.36 | Semlar | i'll let that one slide |
| 00:37.09 | Semlar | JUST THIS ONCE |
| 00:37.13 | Vlad| | :D |
| 00:37.16 | Vlad| | 0140 |
| 00:37.20 | Vlad| | yes that's military time |
| 00:37.36 | Semlar | well i'll figure it out |
| 00:38.22 | Semlar | i know EJ_LOOT_DATA_RECIEVED fires when a new item is available |
| 00:38.33 | mikma | http://imgur.com/a/yB2Fx?gallery#19 :DDDD |
| 00:41.01 | Vlad| | :D |
| 00:41.16 | Semlar | as far as i can tell it doesn't let you know when *all* of the items are available |
| 00:41.27 | Semlar | it just fires for each new item |
| 00:41.47 | Semlar | so i guess it'll have to load them into a table as they appear |
| 00:41.54 | Vlad| | http://imgur.com/gallery/eWbTW |
| 00:45.03 | Vlad| | http://imgur.com/gallery/OUCDF |
| 00:50.16 | Semlar | it looks like calling EJ_GetNumLoot is what causes it to request the data |
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| 00:51.33 | Semlar | the journal must do something to preload that though |
| 00:53.26 | Semlar | no, it just refreshes the list every time the event fires |
| 00:53.34 | Vlad| | :( |
| 00:53.46 | Vlad| | so basically it's a "hey you got new items in your cache" thing? |
| 00:54.36 | Semlar | judging by the framexml code the event has a possibility to return a signature |
| 00:54.55 | Semlar | which they handle differently |
| 00:55.26 | Semlar | well, i'm sure it's not important |
| 00:55.50 | Vlad| | http://imgur.com/gallery/sgLBh |
| 00:57.06 | Vlad| | http://imgur.com/gallery/KOfaU |
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| 01:00.29 | Vlad| | http://imgur.com/gallery/yvvMS :D |
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| 01:09.57 | TC-work | I CAN'T FIX STUPID |
| 01:10.13 | TC-work | err...sorry, wrong window |
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| 01:14.49 | Vlad| | :9 |
| 01:17.32 | kd3 | that's never in the wrong window |
| 01:17.45 | kd3 | and gah. now the waiting begins to see whether or not I walk next friday |
| 01:17.49 | kd3 | looks for more scotch |
| 01:19.08 | TC-work | I'm sure you will kd3 |
| 01:19.32 | TC-work | Then get something more enjoyable than your current employ |
| 01:19.54 | kd3 | there's no guarantee... they failed a group last semester who were a week away from walking. >.< |
| 01:20.21 | Vlad| | :( |
| 01:21.09 | Semlar | what if i can detect that you're in combat with the boss and then after combat ends and you're not dead and there's a loot roll assume it's over |
| 01:21.46 | kd3 | that's generally how lfd-helper addons do it |
| 01:22.33 | Semlar | i think in raids you can check that you're in an encounter but i want this to work for regular instances too |
| 01:24.15 | Semlar | if there's a loot roll i can cross reference the loot with which bosses in the instance can drop it |
| 01:24.57 | Torhal | Semlar: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libbossencounters-1-0/ even if just for reference. |
| 01:26.03 | kd3 | does cf have a 'browse repo' page or am I just blind? |
| 01:26.26 | Semlar | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libbossencounters-1-0/repositories/mainline/ ? |
| 01:26.59 | Semlar | although that link doesn't work |
| 01:28.32 | Torhal | Semlar: ssh://hg@hg.curseforge.net/wow/libbossencounters-1-0/mainline doesn't work for checkout? |
| 01:29.02 | Semlar | i don't know, i don't actually have a way to browse them right now |
| 01:29.03 | kd3 | I'm just trying to view it without having to pull up my git/hg/whatever client |
| 01:29.17 | Torhal | You could always download the zip. |
| 01:29.20 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 01:29.31 | bleeter | telnet port 80 or gtfo |
| 01:29.39 | bleeter | :P |
| 01:30.24 | bleeter | srsly kids these days with their fancy so called 'browsers' and graphics and those stupid animated 'G.I.F.' pictures |
| 01:30.30 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 01:30.30 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 01:31.04 | Mr_Rabies | a patch? D: |
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| 01:33.09 | bleeter | me flashes the loader screen at Mr_Rabies with a progress meter, then bumps him back one flight point from his intended destination |
| 01:35.09 | bleeter | NOT THE NERFGUN, DAXX! NOO!! http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7338813820#1 |
| 01:35.12 | Mr_Rabies | this is doing some kinda patch that's taking a bit D: |
| 01:35.19 | bleeter | ;) |
| 01:36.03 | Mr_Rabies | also only getting General Discussion on the forums |
| 01:36.04 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 01:36.05 | bleeter | updates tools, launcher |
| 01:36.13 | Mr_Rabies | mine's updating ~10k files |
| 01:36.34 | bleeter | launches the relaunch of the launcher |
| 01:36.39 | bleeter | yup. updating files |
| 01:36.47 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/ |
| 01:36.51 | Mr_Rabies | does that only list gen discussion? |
| 01:36.59 | bleeter | yup forum is bust, too |
| 01:37.04 | Mr_Rabies | well at least we're on the same page |
| 01:37.10 | bleeter | and is now 500'ing lol |
| 01:37.37 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder how long until viruses that target the streaming launcher come out |
| 01:37.41 | Mr_Rabies | and send false patches that keylog :o |
| 01:38.38 | bleeter | heh |
| 01:39.28 | Semlar | um, are there any bosses that don't attack you or get attacked at some point during the encounter |
| 01:40.14 | xyphoid_ | valithria? |
| 01:40.41 | Semlar | erg |
| 01:41.09 | Semlar | well that's okay i can probably handle that anyway |
| 01:41.12 | Vlad| | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Rogozov#Antarctic_service self surgery, wow |
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| 01:42.42 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: yeah, ~10k then the 798 at the end. no bytes d/l though, it reckons. file optimisation? |
| 01:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | dunno :o |
| 01:44.46 | bleeter | sticks it to the Forum index a few more tiems |
| 01:45.06 | bleeter | clear, daxxarri broke the forums. |
| 01:45.46 | Mr_Rabies | nerf trinkets->unplug database server |
| 01:46.41 | kd3 | oh wow. I've been grinding too long |
| 01:46.46 | kd3 | is now "kd3 the Beloved" |
| 01:47.19 | Kaylin | what's beloved? |
| 01:47.27 | kd3 | exalted with 60 |
| 01:47.30 | Kaylin | pfft |
| 01:48.45 | bleeter | if I had access to blizz's db's, I'd love to find out how many paid name changes have taken place after people got the Salty title |
| 01:50.21 | TC-work | I bet most of them were forced |
| 01:58.36 | Semlar | vlad are you on the ptr |
| 01:59.22 | Semlar | or does anyone have a character on the ptr i could make a group with |
| 01:59.41 | Semlar | you can just alt+f4 out after |
| 02:00.09 | pompy | ok whats teh launcher doing |
| 02:00.17 | Semlar | updating itself |
| 02:00.28 | pompy | refactoring the mpqs? |
| 02:00.47 | Semlar | mat |
| 02:00.48 | Semlar | h |
| 02:00.58 | pompy | 12.5k files |
| 02:01.00 | pompy | blah |
| 02:01.09 | Ressy | tools update. o.O |
| 02:01.34 | pompy | more than that it seems |
| 02:01.45 | pompy | its updating 12500 files |
| 02:01.51 | pompy | never does that during a tools update |
| 02:01.58 | Ressy | what the... |
| 02:02.11 | Ressy | I'm not downloading anything |
| 02:02.30 | pompy | i didnt say downloading. its just doing shit with 12500 files |
| 02:02.39 | Ressy | probably consolidating |
| 02:02.43 | bleeter | TC-work: probably, but there are a bunch of tasty - albeit thirst inducing - meals running around the realm I'm on :D |
| 02:03.26 | pompy | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35894760/launc.png |
| 02:03.53 | Ressy | 11437 for me. |
| 02:05.05 | pompy | someone forced a blue to say something lol. but of course, a usual response http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/247363-blizzcon-2013/ |
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| 02:26.21 | Vlad| | sorry Semlar, not on the ptr :( |
| 02:26.46 | Semlar | :| |
| 02:26.49 | SuperPortia|work | Anyone here know the PetJournal Enhanced Folks? |
| 02:26.59 | Vlad| | shrug |
| 02:27.30 | bluspacecow | pet theory ftw |
| 02:27.39 | Vlad| | did torhal update it? |
| 02:28.01 | Vlad| | nope :( |
| 02:30.04 | Semlar | i found 1 conflicting item in mogu'shan vaults that drops from two different bosses |
| 02:30.13 | Semlar | 10 in terrace of endless spring |
| 02:30.21 | karl_w_w | I once got a petjournal enhancement |
| 02:30.44 | Vlad| | but Semlar, how do you handle finding out what boss died in LFR? :( |
| 02:31.00 | karl_w_w | I bought it from a spam emailer, but it turned out to be a lump of plastecine :( |
| 02:31.05 | Vlad| | karl :P |
| 02:31.16 | Semlar | well i was going to start by doing it by rolls but seeing as i can't get anyone on the ptr to invite me to a party i can't test anything to do with rolls |
| 02:31.25 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 02:31.37 | Vlad| | remember I am on EU too |
| 02:31.46 | Semlar | does that even matter |
| 02:31.48 | Vlad| | nvm, ptr :p |
| 02:31.55 | Vlad| | I don't got it downloaded |
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| 02:33.07 | Semlar | Tsulong and Lei Shi share 10 of their drops apparently |
| 02:34.46 | karl_w_w | they drop an assload of belts, but they're all itemized a little differently |
| 02:35.33 | karl_w_w | which is annoying because I already have my best one |
| 02:36.27 | Semlar | i was going to just keep track of which boss your group last interacted with and on the next loot roll with items that are in its loot table assume that was the boss you killed |
| 02:37.11 | Semlar | it should work.. most of the time |
| 02:38.09 | Semlar | i guess you could kill a boss, not loot and then kill another boss and go back |
| 02:38.12 | Vlad| | LFR is still a issue :'( |
| 02:38.17 | Semlar | why |
| 02:38.32 | Vlad| | you know why |
| 02:38.36 | Semlar | no |
| 02:38.36 | Vlad| | you just get an item or gold |
| 02:38.43 | Vlad| | no rolls or loot events |
| 02:38.45 | Semlar | i haven't played mists at all |
| 02:38.54 | Vlad| | lol :D |
| 02:39.10 | Semlar | so i don't know what they did to the loot system |
| 02:39.16 | Vlad| | in LFR they just give you an item or gold |
| 02:39.30 | Semlar | it just shows up? |
| 02:39.34 | Vlad| | yes |
| 02:39.38 | Vlad| | in your bags |
| 02:39.43 | Vlad| | gold if unlucky :P |
| 02:39.45 | Semlar | well then i can check what you've looted |
| 02:39.56 | Vlad| | if you are lucky to get an item yes |
| 02:40.34 | Semlar | i can't see what other people get either? |
| 02:40.53 | Semlar | you're saying i can't see what loot goes out at the end of a fight |
| 02:40.57 | Vlad| | nope |
| 02:40.59 | Vlad| | you can't |
| 02:41.01 | Vlad| | that's the point |
| 02:41.01 | kd3 | you only see your own loot |
| 02:41.04 | Vlad| | no more grieving |
| 02:41.18 | Vlad| | you only see what you get in the form of a popup saying "hey, you got this!" |
| 02:41.25 | Vlad| | usually gold, sometimes item form boss :D |
| 02:41.35 | Vlad| | they replaced the old roll spam crap with this, much better ;) |
| 02:41.36 | Semlar | i see |
| 02:41.49 | Vlad| | but I'd still like some events and api to query what boss you are on and such |
| 02:41.52 | Semlar | does lfg do the same thing |
| 02:41.53 | Vlad| | lacking since for ever :( |
| 02:41.58 | Vlad| | lfg is still old rolling system |
| 02:42.01 | Vlad| | and guild raids |
| 02:42.05 | Vlad| | only LFR is the exception |
| 02:42.15 | Vlad| | note that you don't see other rolls |
| 02:42.19 | karl_w_w | and the world bosses |
| 02:42.28 | karl_w_w | and the bonus rolls you use in normal raids |
| 02:42.46 | Vlad| | I mean, you don't see everyones rolls anymore in the chat, but the C_LootHistory has them :) |
| 02:42.57 | Semlar | oh? |
| 02:43.10 | Torhal | Semlar: SHOW_LOOT_TOAST event, gives loot_type, item_link, and quantity |
| 02:43.26 | karl_w_w | mmm toast |
| 02:43.34 | Semlar | toasty! |
| 02:44.22 | Vlad| | why id raid lockout tooltips bug in mop? |
| 02:44.36 | Torhal | Because we decided to fuck with people. |
| 02:44.41 | Vlad| | why don't they make it so you can query all your saved states incl. LFR so you can extract what raid boss you are on? |
| 02:44.50 | Vlad| | why not have API and events saying when a boss is defeated? |
| 02:44.54 | Vlad| | :( |
| 02:45.07 | Vlad| | why not make stuff more localization independent? |
| 02:45.43 | karl_w_w | is there a new event when a mob dies now? |
| 02:46.02 | karl_w_w | because there seems to be a delay for a server-side check which wasnt there until mists |
| 02:46.03 | Vlad| | should be an event for boss defeats |
| 02:46.14 | Vlad| | not sure karl, I think it's the same as before |
| 02:46.23 | karl_w_w | where a mob will be in limbo on 1 hp for a moment before it registers as dead |
| 02:50.59 | Vlad| | sounds odd to me, haven't experienced that atm, but not using CLEU for so much unit death reading either |
| 02:55.57 | karl_w_w | how else would you know a mob died? :P |
| 02:56.38 | Vlad| | I just said I don't need that functionality in my addons :p lol |
| 02:56.47 | Vlad| | seems resonable if you do :P |
| 02:56.52 | bluspacecow | 'cause its lying of the floor in a puddle of it's own blood ? |
| 02:57.09 | Vlad| | tihi |
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| 03:38.52 | bleeter | hmm so the way WSG is played seems to have changed a bit |
| 03:39.28 | bleeter | amazing anyone does BGs if that's their first encounter these days lol |
| 03:40.10 | bleeter | then again, maybe if I was wearing shit gear... |
| 03:59.24 | Semlar | ...e\AddOns\Blizzard_DebugTools\Blizzard_DebugTools.lua:-1: script ran too long |
| 03:59.32 | Semlar | :| |
| 04:00.37 | pompy | Seerah: http://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/sandy/photo-comparisons/images/NJ_Loc3_Mantoloking_Breach.jpg yes >< |
| 04:00.55 | pompy | Seerah: http://coastal.er.usgs.gov/hurricanes/sandy/photo-comparisons/newjersey.php main site |
| 04:01.56 | Seerah | >< |
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| 04:43.52 | kd3 | you're giving it an index, right? |
| 04:44.04 | kd3 | GetBattlefieldStatus(index) asks for one |
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| 05:08.23 | Semlar | erg, if you call EJ_SelectInstance on an index that doesn't exist it throws an error instead of returning nil |
| 05:08.55 | Semlar | i'm not sure how to check if an instance id is valid |
| 05:09.31 | Semlar | maybe EJ_GetInstanceInfo |
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| 05:10.49 | Semlar | just venting about my own problems |
| 05:10.57 | Semlar | don't mind me |
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| 05:15.35 | Semlar | what level are you |
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| 05:16.13 | Semlar | wouldn't appear to |
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| 05:16.20 | Semlar | it returns the same values at 90 |
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| 05:17.14 | Semlar | on the ptr GetBattleFieldStatus(1) is returning queued, Isle of Conquest, 0, nil, nil |
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| 05:18.08 | Semlar | i'm going to assume that it doesn't work right |
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| 05:20.03 | Semlar | oh you're trying to get the instance id |
| 05:20.14 | Semlar | yeah i'm thinking they probably did that on purpose |
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| 05:20.41 | Semlar | that's not what team size would return |
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| 05:20.54 | Semlar | that's for arena matches |
| 05:21.04 | Semlar | 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 |
| 05:21.43 | Semlar | even if this were working correctly it wouldn't tell you how many people were in the battleground you're trying to join |
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| 05:22.31 | Semlar | teamSize - Number of players per team for an arena match |
| 05:22.46 | Seerah | ie, 2, 3 or 5 |
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| 05:24.21 | Semlar | because that's what it does, it tells you the status of the battleground or arena you're queued for or in |
| 05:24.45 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBattlefieldStatus |
| 05:25.12 | Semlar | it doesn't appear to currently be returning the bracket sizes or instance id, but other than that it works |
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| 05:26.26 | Seerah | Yes, I know that's the same function. I was linking you to docs (which look more detailed than wowpedia's) |
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| 05:26.58 | Semlar | well, wowpedia also says teamsize is for the arena |
| 05:27.28 | Semlar | (2, 3, 5 or 0 if not an arena queue) |
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| 05:27.33 | Seerah | so does wowprogramming. that return is 0 if not arena |
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| 05:28.06 | Semlar | oh it also says instance id is 0 until you're in one, so i guess that could work i'm just not in one |
| 05:28.38 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.22 | Semlar | you were in one, did it have a value? |
| 05:29.37 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:31.12 | Semlar | waaaaaaay back in the day you could manually join like Warsong Gulch 13 or something but now it's all just random |
| 05:31.44 | Semlar | the instances are still numbered but it doesn't look like you can get that value any more |
| 05:31.57 | Thunder_Child | it wasn't that far back |
| 05:32.20 | Thunder_Child | please tell me it wasn't that far back, otherwise i will just feel old |
| 05:32.21 | Semlar | don't cheapen this for me |
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| 05:34.04 | Thunder_Child | possibly. Don't forget it was also limited in that they have opened up new API's in the mean time |
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| 05:47.22 | Semlar | anyone have any idea what LFR returns for GetInstanceDifficulty or the difficulty value in GetInstanceInfo() |
| 05:50.56 | Jammer | used to return 2, but dunno if it got changed |
| 05:50.57 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.01 | Jammer | raid finder |
| 05:51.08 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.41 | Semlar | it really doesn't help that GetInstanceInfo returns a different range of values for difficulty than GetInstanceDifficulty |
| 05:52.14 | Semlar | i'm just going to guess and hope i'm right |
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| 05:53.37 | Jammer | Semlar: http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetInstanceInfo and http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetInstanceDifficulty |
| 05:53.44 | Jammer | seem to have pretty neat list there |
| 05:53.50 | Semlar | thanks |
| 05:54.18 | Semlar | looks like GetInstanceInfo has the values i want |
| 05:55.25 | Semlar | i need to make sure it matches up with whatever EJ_SetDifficulty takes for the encounter journal |
| 05:58.36 | Semlar | alright, i declare my addon perfect! |
| 05:58.48 | Semlar | i made it through rfc without it breaking |
| 05:59.43 | Semlar | every time you kill a boss it outputs that boss's loot table for your class |
| 06:00.12 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.14 | Semlar | now it just needs a really clever name.. |
| 06:00.40 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.50 | Jammer | surely that's already taken |
| 06:01.07 | Semlar | it's a loot distribution addon |
| 06:01.10 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.25 | Semlar | from.. 2007 |
| 06:01.59 | Semlar | i still need to make the interface anyway |
| 06:02.07 | Semlar | right now it's just outputting to the chat |
| 06:02.23 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.45 | Semlar | it's um.. a work in progress |
| 06:03.04 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.16 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.22 | Semlar | but that one's hard |
| 06:03.39 | Semlar | :( |
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| 06:05.49 | Semlar | yeah |
| 06:05.53 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.16 | Semlar | yes that's clever |
| 06:06.22 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.27 | Semlar | i shall ruminate on it |
| 06:06.33 | BroncoB | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.17 | Semlar | i should probably also make sure it actually works in regular use too |
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| 06:09.19 | SuperPortia|work | Anyone here use Add-on Studio for World of Warcraft? |
| 06:09.37 | SuperPortia|work | It looks like it's pretty cool, but the API documentation is way out of date. |
| 06:09.49 | SuperPortia|work | Maybe 3.x something or 4.x with lots of omissions. |
| 06:09.52 | Semlar | was that that attempt at a wysiwyg editor |
| 06:10.01 | SuperPortia|work | It has one. |
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| 06:10.11 | SuperPortia|work | It's cool, except I would like the API to be updated. |
| 06:10.25 | SuperPortia|work | I can do it by hand, call by call, but I'd much rather find the updated file. |
| 06:10.25 | Semlar | does it still work? |
| 06:10.29 | SuperPortia|work | Apparently. |
| 06:10.36 | SuperPortia|work | I haven't done much with it yet. |
| 06:10.43 | SuperPortia|work | But I found the documenation files. |
| 06:10.56 | SuperPortia|work | WowWidgetAPI.xml and WowAPI.xml |
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| 06:12.20 | SuperPortia|work | I was wondering if anyone was familiar with those files and might know where they're kept. |
| 06:12.25 | SuperPortia|work | On the interwebs |
| 06:13.26 | jnwhiteh | they're not |
| 06:13.28 | jnwhiteh | on purpose |
| 06:13.33 | jnwhiteh | because they're generated from wowprogramming.com |
| 06:14.00 | jnwhiteh | i.e. I sent the data to the wow studio team and they made the intellisense files |
| 06:14.31 | SuperPortia|work | But there's no way I can update it except manually. Nor can I grab updated ones from them. |
| 06:14.37 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 06:14.41 | jnwhiteh | its not supported in any way |
| 06:14.47 | jnwhiteh | so there is no update |
| 06:14.56 | SuperPortia|work | The tool is no longer supported? |
| 06:15.13 | jnwhiteh | if you can find evidence to the contrary, that would surprise me |
| 06:15.35 | SuperPortia|work | What was the format of the data you sent to the wow add-on team? |
| 06:15.56 | jnwhiteh | one I wouldn't be willing to give anyone else |
| 06:16.00 | jnwhiteh | carte blanche |
| 06:16.26 | SuperPortia|work | I take it you work at wowprogramming.com? |
| 06:16.34 | Semlar | heh |
| 06:16.37 | jnwhiteh | I wrote the book and the site |
| 06:16.49 | jnwhiteh | the last update to wow addon studio was in 2009 |
| 06:16.52 | SuperPortia|work | If it were possible for me to give you a file or program that would do the translation with source code? |
| 06:17.15 | jnwhiteh | ? |
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| 06:17.24 | SuperPortia|work | Or did they do it by hand? |
| 06:17.27 | jnwhiteh | what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 06:17.33 | Semlar | he wants to use addon studio |
| 06:17.39 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 06:17.41 | jnwhiteh | that's the problem =/ |
| 06:17.55 | SuperPortia|work | It was linked to by wowprogramming.com |
| 06:18.04 | Semlar | where |
| 06:18.04 | jnwhiteh | yes, in the first editin |
| 06:18.05 | SuperPortia|work | http://wowprogramming.com/utils |
| 06:18.08 | jnwhiteh | I wrote the book, I'm aware |
| 06:18.11 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 06:18.16 | SuperPortia|work | I meant on the website, still |
| 06:18.24 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 06:18.26 | jnwhiteh | I know |
| 06:18.30 | jnwhiteh | It is still a resource |
| 06:18.34 | SuperPortia|work | I didn't presume that the book would necessarily be up-to-date. |
| 06:18.34 | jnwhiteh | We sold 10,000+ books |
| 06:18.41 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 06:18.45 | jnwhiteh | I'm not removing resources that are linked in the first edition |
| 06:18.50 | SuperPortia|work | ok |
| 06:19.12 | jnwhiteh | added a note on the utils page |
| 06:19.24 | SuperPortia|work | Thank you. |
| 06:19.27 | jnwhiteh | I can generate API definitions |
| 06:19.36 | jnwhiteh | I don't know that I'm willing to do that for wow addon studio |
| 06:19.54 | jnwhiteh | because they never gave me a specification |
| 06:20.03 | jnwhiteh | and I don't think I'm interested in reverse engineering it |
| 06:20.48 | jnwhiteh | sylvanaar had an IntelliJ plugin that worked well |
| 06:20.52 | jnwhiteh | and he had it working with the WoW API |
| 06:21.00 | jnwhiteh | It might be worth trying to track that down |
| 06:21.13 | SuperPortia|work | The specification was pretty strait forward. I added some functions to the API documentation and got it to work. |
| 06:21.30 | SuperPortia|work | I was using IntelliJ's sylvanaar's plug-in as well. |
| 06:23.10 | jnwhiteh | those files are easy to generate |
| 06:23.18 | SuperPortia|work | The .lua ones? |
| 06:23.23 | jnwhiteh | the ones for IntelliJ |
| 06:23.28 | SuperPortia|work | Gothca |
| 06:23.30 | SuperPortia|work | Gotcha |
| 06:23.30 | jnwhiteh | I have the code somewhere already |
| 06:23.46 | Arrowmaster` | i used so have some api files for SciTE |
| 06:23.52 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 06:24.06 | Arrowmaster` | I loved that editor back when i used windows |
| 06:24.18 | Arrowmaster` | too bad the linux version does live up to what else is available |
| 06:24.52 | jnwhiteh | i'm using pycharm for python recently |
| 06:25.02 | SuperPortia|work | Anyone here know if you IntelliJ add-on will let you "publish" to the WoW directory or if you have to work from it directly? |
| 06:25.11 | jnwhiteh | don't know. |
| 06:26.22 | jnwhiteh | i'll help when and where I can |
| 06:26.31 | jnwhiteh | but IIRC the wow addon studio process was not nice |
| 06:26.41 | jnwhiteh | because of how they want the files, and the details they want in them |
| 06:27.10 | Semlar | this is probably more trouble than it's worth |
| 06:27.13 | jnwhiteh | it is =) |
| 06:28.26 | SuperPortia|work | Do you know if the more recent APIs have converted over to true/false or are they still using 1nil? |
| 06:28.48 | Arrowmaster` | they should all be using 1/nil |
| 06:28.49 | jnwhiteh | as far as I am aware most are still 1nil |
| 06:28.55 | jnwhiteh | they get converted as they get touched |
| 06:29.00 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster`: there are lots that use true/false |
| 06:29.05 | Arrowmaster` | oh wow |
| 06:29.16 | jnwhiteh | <3 Guillotine |
| 06:29.28 | SuperPortia|work | Alright. I wanted to stay consistent with them, but if they're transitioning I will as well. |
| 06:29.36 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 06:29.41 | jnwhiteh | you should NOT write code that uses 1/nil |
| 06:29.43 | jnwhiteh | its a bad pattern |
| 06:29.50 | Arrowmaster` | whats the oldest toc version that still loads? |
| 06:29.58 | jnwhiteh | 50001 afaik |
| 06:30.00 | kd3 | 20001 |
| 06:30.08 | jnwhiteh | they didn't break on majors |
| 06:30.09 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 06:30.11 | Semlar | i didn't even know there was a limit |
| 06:30.21 | jnwhiteh | the limited it at BC |
| 06:30.28 | jnwhiteh | I thought they had on WoTLK as well, etc. |
| 06:30.31 | jnwhiteh | perhaps I was wrong =) |
| 06:30.32 | kd3 | I've still got a grey-seller from bc |
| 06:30.33 | Semlar | they just stop showing up in the list? |
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| 06:30.57 | kd3 | if you try to load a pre-bc addon it'll go 'incompatible', but anything after that will load, just out of date |
| 06:30.59 | Arrowmaster` | they did such major changes for 20001 that they hardcoded it so that anything older will never load even with 'load out of date' checked |
| 06:31.10 | Semlar | interesting |
| 06:31.11 | jnwhiteh | correctamundo |
| 06:31.19 | Arrowmaster` | but yeah i remember they did not do it again for 30000 |
| 06:31.24 | jnwhiteh | cool |
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| 06:31.30 | StevePRGM | hi |
| 06:31.35 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 06:31.36 | Semlar | hello |
| 06:31.40 | Arrowmaster` | then i quit but i recall hearing they didnt for 40000 but wasnt sure for 50000 |
| 06:31.44 | StevePRGM | :) |
| 06:32.24 | Arrowmaster` | but really they should have converted all the old 1/nil stuff to true/false for the expansion |
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| 06:33.35 | Arrowmaster` | you know it was probably a bad idea to leave the hostname fields blank in my routers static dhcp config |
| 06:33.43 | Arrowmaster` | i have no clue what some of these devices are |
| 06:33.47 | SuperPortia|work | Do I just need to call this method something other than GetCompanionInfo? |
| 06:33.47 | SuperPortia|work | http://pastebin.com/sa29BtV9 |
| 06:33.56 | Arrowmaster` | actually i think i know what all of them are i just dont know which ones are which |
| 06:34.23 | Arrowmaster` | i think my old desktop and old laptop are in here as .8 and .9, but dont know which |
| 06:34.24 | SuperPortia|work | It this going to be a recursive call and is there a way to call the non-MountDatabase GetCompanionInfo? |
| 06:34.25 | kd3 | oh god |
| 06:34.28 | kd3 | winces at today's xkcd |
| 06:34.34 | kd3 | ugh |
| 06:34.38 | kd3 | looks for more alcohol |
| 06:34.50 | Arrowmaster` | i think my two orignal xboxs are in here as .88 and .89 but i dont remember which is which |
| 06:34.51 | StevePRGM | can someone help me make an addon to make /saygold = /script SendChatMessage("gold") |
| 06:35.34 | kd3 | http://wowpedia.org/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 06:35.38 | kd3 | ^ will cover everything you need |
| 06:35.47 | StevePRGM | cool |
| 06:35.53 | Arrowmaster` | randal can be so evil |
| 06:36.19 | Semlar | superportia: MountDatabase.GetCompanionInfo is part of the MountDatabase table |
| 06:36.43 | Semlar | it's not going to interfere with the GetCompanionInfo global |
| 06:36.46 | SuperPortia|work | Is there a way to call the non-MountDatabase original method from inside? |
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| 06:37.01 | SuperPortia|work | if (type == "PET") then return GetCompanionInfo("PET", index) end |
| 06:37.12 | SuperPortia|work | Is that GetCompanionInfo recursive or will it call the original? |
| 06:37.21 | SuperPortia|work | The environment is saying it's recursive. |
| 06:37.26 | Semlar | it's not recursive |
| 06:37.28 | SuperPortia|work | I just don't know if I should trust it. |
| 06:37.29 | SuperPortia|work | Ok |
| 06:37.45 | SuperPortia|work | It would have to be self:GetCompanionInfo() right? |
| 06:37.55 | SuperPortia|work | to be recurisve. |
| 06:37.56 | Semlar | MountDatabase['GetCompanionInfo'] is not the same as GetCompanionInfo |
| 06:38.16 | SuperPortia|work | I didn't think so, but the environment was trying to make me a neurotic mess. |
| 06:38.42 | Semlar | it's a key in your table, it has nothing to do with the global function |
| 06:39.24 | SuperPortia|work | Where is the current text file? |
| 06:39.24 | Semlar | unless you replaced the global with it |
| 06:39.28 | SuperPortia|work | I didn't. |
| 06:40.02 | Semlar | what text file |
| 06:40.15 | Semlar | the one on my site? |
| 06:40.15 | SuperPortia|work | The one with the data dump from the armory. |
| 06:40.18 | SuperPortia|work | Yeah |
| 06:40.23 | Semlar | http://semlar.com/mounts.txt |
| 06:40.26 | SuperPortia|work | Thanks |
| 06:40.37 | jnwhiteh | god I miss Lua when working with Python |
| 06:40.38 | jnwhiteh | =/ |
| 06:40.48 | Semlar | import lua |
| 06:43.57 | Semlar | from.. lua |
| 06:44.35 | karl_w_w | oh a patch |
| 06:44.38 | Fisker | why would anyone ever python jnwhiteh ? |
| 06:45.19 | jnwhiteh | dunno |
| 06:45.24 | jnwhiteh | but my company does |
| 06:48.16 | Fisker | i know that feel bro |
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| 06:51.13 | Semlar | haters gonna hate |
| 06:51.40 | karl_w_w | Fiskers gonna hate |
| 06:51.58 | karl_w_w | oh sorry, you just said that |
| 06:58.04 | SuperPortia|work | Can you wipe out a property you've set to that it doesn't take up any space? Or does setting it to nil effectively do that? |
| 06:58.14 | Semlar | set to nil |
| 06:58.26 | Semlar | it'll be garbage collected |
| 06:58.43 | nevcairiel | if by property you mean a entry in a table, i dont think tables really shrink again |
| 06:59.13 | SuperPortia|work | So once occupied, it's just used until the entire object is garbage collected? |
| 06:59.28 | SuperPortia|work | I would have thought the space would have been consumed by whatever got put there next. |
| 06:59.43 | SuperPortia|work | That anything marked nil was basically just an empty slot to be used. |
| 06:59.48 | nevcairiel | if you use the same key again, it'll obviously be used |
| 07:00.20 | SuperPortia|home | Yeah, but if I just want to store some information in the object temporarily. |
| 07:00.32 | nevcairiel | if you think about this, you're already doing it wrong |
| 07:01.32 | nevcairiel | just let the tables manage themself :) |
| 07:01.58 | SuperPortia|home | http://pastebin.com/AcHngA9Z |
| 07:02.45 | SuperPortia|home | MountDatabase:Sort builds a more usable data object from the raw data. I'm not sure if it's wasteful to store the name in the object. |
| 07:03.20 | SuperPortia|home | I could separate it out into it's own hash which is where I started. |
| 07:03.42 | SuperPortia|home | My OO experience is conflicting with my JavaScript is conflicting with my Lua. |
| 07:04.23 | nevcairiel | that looks fine |
| 07:05.23 | SuperPortia|home | I asked this earlier and don't know if it got answered after I left, but is there a concept of constructors in Lua? |
| 07:05.33 | SuperPortia|home | I guess only manually through CreateXxx functions. |
| 07:06.03 | nevcairiel | if you have a frame template in xml you can use a OnLoad function, which is somewhat like a constructor, but since Lua doesn't have built-in OO concepts, there is not |
| 07:06.24 | karl_w_w | ooh i got my first pet upgrade stone |
| 07:06.42 | SuperPortia|home | I've still only found two. |
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| 07:08.29 | karl_w_w | fuckin |
| 07:08.40 | karl_w_w | fighting a crimson geode to catch it and it kills itself |
| 07:08.41 | SuperPortia|home | Which type? |
| 07:08.43 | bluspacecow | dinner and a movie first. |
| 07:08.53 | bluspacecow | *frowny face at karl_w_w* |
| 07:08.59 | SuperPortia|home | Mine were both beast |
| 07:09.02 | SuperPortia|home | Very un-exciting. |
| 07:09.08 | karl_w_w | dragonkin |
| 07:09.22 | SuperPortia|home | woulda killed |
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| 07:10.57 | SuperPortia|home | Is there a way to see the memory used by all the add-ons or your add-on specifically? |
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| 07:12.18 | bluspacecow | there's a couple of profiling addons you can install |
| 07:15.02 | SuperPortia|home | I imagine there's nothing that can predict the weather in other zones. |
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| 07:18.59 | StevePRGM | hmm |
| 07:19.17 | StevePRGM | do i need a .toc file for an add-on? |
| 07:19.23 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 07:19.33 | StevePRGM | link me to other info like this? |
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| 07:19.51 | nevcairiel | its the only required thing really, you can have a toc file and it will show up in game, even if it does nothin yet ;) |
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| 07:20.17 | StevePRGM | mmm.... so... i went and made an add-on... do i need to check the box for it before it's available? |
| 07:20.28 | StevePRGM | or can i make the file and then type "/reload" |
| 07:20.41 | nevcairiel | adding new files requires a restart of the client |
| 07:20.47 | StevePRGM | k |
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| 07:22.31 | SuperPortia|home | Can I do this: creatureID, creatureName, spellID, icon, active, mountFlags, owned = GetCompanionInfo("MOUNT", index), true |
| 07:22.43 | nevcairiel | no |
| 07:23.13 | StevePRGM | ok... my add-on was found.... now how do i make it work.. (i'm using the stuff on this page: http://www.wowpedia.org/Creating_a_slash_command) |
| 07:23.14 | nevcairiel | a function returning multiple arguments needs to be at the end of a line |
| 07:23.31 | SuperPortia|home | That would have been cool though |
| 07:24.13 | StevePRGM | so, u can do it SuperPortia |
| 07:24.19 | StevePRGM | just put owned at the front |
| 07:24.28 | StevePRGM | and true before GetCompanion Info |
| 07:24.54 | StevePRGM | any help nevcairiel? |
| 07:26.26 | StevePRGM | nvrmind.. i found a page... :) http://www.wowpedia.org/Getting_started_with_writing_addons |
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| 07:36.46 | karl_w_w | wow i am a fuckwit |
| 07:37.27 | karl_w_w | looking for a crow, got a rare darkmoon glowfly and forfeited because there was no crow before i registered it was rare |
| 07:38.30 | Semlar | soothes karl_w_w |
| 07:38.39 | Semlar | there there.. |
| 07:39.59 | Semlar | have a sandwich |
| 07:41.02 | karl_w_w | oooh |
| 07:41.03 | karl_w_w | ty |
| 07:41.11 | karl_w_w | noms |
| 07:41.31 | karl_w_w | what's in this? it's very pungent |
| 07:41.49 | Semlar | i'm not entirely sure.. |
| 07:42.11 | Semlar | i mean it was just here on my desk |
| 07:42.32 | Semlar | you know how these things are |
| 07:42.55 | karl_w_w | yeah I think we've all been there before |
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| 08:21.34 | StevePRGM | http://www.wowpedia.org/Getting_started_with_writing_addons isn't working :( |
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| 08:39.54 | zenzio | StevePRGM: in what way does the Wowpedia one not work; does it give an error? |
| 08:40.28 | bluspacecow | loads fine for me |
| 08:40.38 | bluspacecow | i prefer not to link to tentonhammer personally. |
| 08:41.38 | zenzio | "## Interface: 10900"... that is an old guide indeed |
| 08:42.04 | nevcairiel | zenzio: the problem with the wowpedia one is that it assumes you pay attention of what it says in the text, its not a copy/paste ready example addon :P |
| 08:42.12 | zenzio | aha |
| 08:42.16 | zenzio | a common mistake in guides |
| 08:42.34 | bluspacecow | "Updated Thu, Feb 21, 2008 by bpirkle" |
| 08:42.37 | bluspacecow | worthless. |
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| 09:10.04 | zenzio | "Global warming has already caused untold damages. Not from direct effects - there are none - but from its secondaries: politicians and profiteers." |
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| 09:37.50 | nebula169 | BroncoB: that guide has far too much info that is outdated to be useful, if someone was new to making an addon and used that as reference, they wouldn't be able to do much more than make a slash command and pollute the shit out of the global namespace |
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| 10:13.02 | bluworkcow | Fisker |
| 10:13.04 | bluworkcow | u mad ? |
| 10:13.13 | Fisker | nomad |
| 10:13.15 | Fisker | umad? |
| 10:14.03 | bluworkcow | yah mad |
| 10:14.03 | bluworkcow | BOILING |
| 10:14.47 | bluworkcow | it's the 7 th of December. One of our clients decided it wants a new data entry system put in before Xmas. IE on the 10th. And *none* of us after hours guys even know about it. |
| 10:15.45 | mikma | have fun |
| 10:17.38 | bluworkcow | grrrrrrr |
| 10:17.59 | bluworkcow | *corgi barks at the training documents* |
| 10:18.15 | mikma | have sum grumpy cat |
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| 10:20.15 | bluworkcow | *noms grumpy cat* |
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| 11:48.10 | zenzio | http://i.imgur.com/6QyDt.jpg |
| 11:58.56 | bluworkcow | hmmm |
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| 13:10.17 | Arazon | bluworkcow: That's why you get your clients to sign a document saying they will pay for only what was specifically stated on the requirements specification, and extra features cost extra, or come in 2.0 |
| 13:14.27 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 13:18.06 | zenzio | that's not really something to lol about, it is good business sense |
| 13:18.19 | zenzio | because clients love to "... but we believed" and so on |
| 13:22.07 | bluworkcow | this situation's slightly different.we aren't the developers of the new system being put in we're just the after hours peons that need to use it. |
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| 13:41.54 | chiel | hi guys |
| 13:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | Top o' the mornin. |
| 13:44.10 | chiel | so I was wondering something... currently i am spawning raid group headers with oUF, and setting the direction in which they spawn |
| 13:44.33 | chiel | is there any way to change the direction in which they spawn (horizontal vs vertical) after they have been spawned initially? |
| 13:47.52 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 13:54.02 | chiel | what's the most effective way to loop all people in the raid? |
| 13:54.58 | karl_w_w | with a for loop |
| 13:55.05 | chiel | yeah, I got that |
| 13:55.31 | chiel | but how do I get the amount of times I would need to loop? I could use GetNumGroupMembers I guess |
| 13:56.24 | karl_w_w | if IsInRaid() for i=1,GetNumGroupMembers do somefunction("raid"..i) end end |
| 13:57.40 | chiel | and then use will the raid index continue across groups and stuff? |
| 13:57.49 | chiel | so it will only assign indexes to those in the group? |
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| 13:59.20 | karl_w_w | i dont understand the question so ask TC-work, he'll help you :D |
| 13:59.47 | chiel | ah, it's cool, this appears to work :) |
| 13:59.48 | chiel | thank you |
| 14:00.08 | chiel | i was afraid each slot would be indexed |
| 14:00.10 | chiel | but that's not the case |
| 14:00.16 | chiel | only the slots with actual people in them |
| 14:00.28 | chiel | like i thought group 2 would always start with index 6 |
| 14:06.50 | chiel | how do I push a value into a table? |
| 14:07.10 | chiel | without tinsert? or is tinsert with a nil value (or whatever) the way to go? |
| 14:07.32 | zenzio | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 14:08.56 | zenzio | do you just want to append a value to a table, irrelevant of its index? |
| 14:09.08 | chiel | yeah |
| 14:09.45 | Thunder_Child | ~lart karl_w_w |
| 14:09.45 | purl | forces karl_w_w to use Outlook Express |
| 14:10.02 | haste | table.insert(tbl, value) or tb[#tbl] = value |
| 14:10.07 | haste | depends on how anal you are etc |
| 14:10.30 | chiel | not very :p |
| 14:10.49 | chiel | basically when roster updates, i loop through group members and i want to keep track of which raid subgroups are in use |
| 14:11.06 | chiel | so ideally the subgroup would be the index |
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| 14:17.01 | chiel | i guess i could just do tbl[subgroup] = true or whatecer. |
| 14:17.04 | chiel | whatevr* |
| 14:17.10 | chiel | whatever* ... ffs. |
| 14:17.22 | zenzio | probably, yes. I believe I've done it like that for similar things |
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| 14:18.37 | haste | that would be enough in that case |
| 14:21.53 | chiel | ^^ |
| 14:23.32 | chiel | haste: SpawnHeader just returns a frame, right? |
| 14:23.37 | haste | yep |
| 14:23.49 | chiel | so if I keep all those groups in a table, I could hide the ones that have no units in |
| 14:23.53 | chiel | ok excellent :) |
| 14:24.03 | chiel | making my dynamic-sizing raid frames at the moment |
| 14:24.08 | chiel | to the best of my ability anyway, hehe |
| 14:24.22 | nevcairiel | note that you cannot show or hide things in combat, so if people join and a new group is needed.... :p |
| 14:24.41 | chiel | yeah, I'm going to block the update function if InCombatLockdown() |
| 14:24.46 | chiel | or whatever that function is called |
| 14:24.51 | haste | you need to do the hiding/showing part through attribute drivers |
| 14:25.03 | chiel | attribute drivers? |
| 14:25.28 | haste | the things that make visibility work in oUF :P |
| 14:25.39 | chiel | right, i have no idea how that works under the hood, haha |
| 14:25.46 | haste | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/SecureStateDriver.lua |
| 14:26.05 | chiel | you mean that would make it work in combat? |
| 14:26.09 | haste | that's basically what handles showing and hiding in combat |
| 14:26.24 | chiel | hmm right |
| 14:26.36 | chiel | how would i use that from my code, through oUF? |
| 14:26.47 | chiel | would I register it while originally spawning the header? |
| 14:26.48 | haste | https://github.com/haste/oUF/blob/master/ouf.lua#L527-L535 visibility is handled through it |
| 14:26.57 | haste | you can do the same |
| 14:27.54 | chiel | well, would be cool if i got that to work, but i don't really know how to approach it hehe |
| 14:27.59 | haste | you'll need some more heavy logic tho' |
| 14:28.17 | haste | not actually sure if you can pull out raid sub-groups from the secure environment |
| 14:28.48 | haste | also note that this is territory that scares most people :P |
| 14:29.12 | chiel | hehe |
| 14:29.15 | chiel | i don't scare easily :) |
| 14:29.20 | chiel | but i am just fairly new to it all |
| 14:29.34 | chiel | i've been dabbling a few weeks in lua now but i've not touched the secure system as well |
| 14:30.12 | chiel | at all* |
| 14:30.14 | chiel | not as well... |
| 14:32.23 | chiel | oh btw haste, how could i change the orientation of the spawned groups |
| 14:32.30 | chiel | could i just set that option on the returned frame or so? |
| 14:32.35 | haste | can't you just change it and then it happens? |
| 14:33.10 | haste | the frame returned by :SpawnHeader() is the header frame :) |
| 14:33.15 | chiel | dunno, since it spawns the group with SpawnHeader() and the "point" and "x/yOffset" are set in there. |
| 14:33.16 | haste | which also holds all the potions |
| 14:33.24 | chiel | ok so i could just set the point + offset |
| 14:33.27 | chiel | sweet :) |
| 14:33.42 | haste | note that you can't call :SetAttribute in combat |
| 14:36.31 | chiel | but that could be done from the secure system as well or? |
| 14:38.25 | haste | no, you have to queue up those changes for when the player is out of combat |
| 14:38.30 | chiel | hm.. how can i set the colour of a frame? :D |
| 14:38.31 | chiel | ah k |
| 14:38.36 | chiel | yeah, was going to do that |
| 14:38.42 | haste | the secure system is there to prevent you from doing certain things in combat after all |
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| 14:38.49 | chiel | yeah, that's true :) |
| 14:38.59 | chiel | i mean bg colour of a frame* |
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| 14:39.51 | haste | !api setbackdropcolor |
| 14:39.52 | lua_bot | Frame:SetBackdropColor: Sets a shading color for the frame's background graphic (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdropColor) |
| 14:39.58 | haste | !api setbackdropbordercolor |
| 14:39.58 | lua_bot | Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor: Sets a shading color for the frame's border graphic (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetBackdropBorderColor) |
| 14:40.26 | chiel | ah awesome :) |
| 14:42.48 | chiel | hmm |
| 14:42.51 | chiel | it's not working.. weird. |
| 14:43.27 | chiel | I was doing SetBackdropColor(0, 0, 0) to test |
| 14:43.30 | chiel | but I'm getting nothign |
| 14:43.49 | chiel | it's not throwing any bugs though |
| 14:44.54 | chiel | i guess i need to set a texture |
| 14:46.35 | haste | I just assumed you used :SetBackdrop for background |
| 14:46.51 | haste | I have no idea how your code is :) |
| 14:47.18 | chiel | ah |
| 14:47.24 | chiel | it's just a frame with a width and height haha |
| 14:47.54 | haste | then you can a) use :SetBackdrop or b) :CreateTexture |
| 14:47.58 | haste | !api SetBackdrop |
| 14:47.58 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'SetBackdrop': Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor, Frame:SetBackdrop, Frame:SetBackdropColor |
| 14:48.06 | chiel | yeah was just looking at that |
| 14:48.09 | haste | exact matches, how do I... |
| 14:48.22 | haste | !api createtexture |
| 14:48.22 | lua_bot | Frame:CreateTexture: Creates a new [[docs/widgets/Texture|`Texture`]] as a child of the frame (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateTexture) |
| 14:48.22 | chiel | it's ok, I got it mate, thank you :D |
| 14:48.25 | haste | :P |
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| 14:49.17 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/petability=508 <- should read "25% unless used against karl_w_w" |
| 14:49.44 | haste | it's super ineffective ! |
| 14:49.47 | chiel | if I set sweeet, got it :D |
| 14:50.16 | haste | :SetBackdrop just creates a bunch of textures with texcoords btw |
| 14:50.36 | haste | so it's kinda wasted if you just want a static background |
| 14:50.45 | haste | (and no borders) |
| 14:50.48 | karl_w_w | as for that moderate chance yo miss part, that's just bullshit |
| 14:52.06 | chiel | i wanted a background with some spacing, got it working though :) |
| 14:52.52 | chiel | I just made a backdrop with some insets |
| 15:01.50 | Adys | hahahah |
| 15:01.52 | Adys | oh poor kid |
| 15:02.00 | Adys | about Google's drones in africa: |
| 15:02.02 | Adys | "How would you feel if the government deployed UAV's across the US-Mexico border to stop illegal immigration?" |
| 15:05.17 | chiel | hmm |
| 15:05.25 | chiel | balls, it's not changing the orientation of my frames. :( |
| 15:06.48 | chiel | haste: with the frames I get back from SpawnHeader(), i'm supposed to use :SetAttribute('point', 'LEFT') for example, right? |
| 15:08.07 | chiel | hm.. i'm getting an error: "attempt to index field "?" (a boolean value)" |
| 15:08.13 | chiel | what does that even mean? O.o |
| 15:10.17 | chiel | hmm |
| 15:10.37 | chiel | it seems to choke on "activeGroups[i]" when I try to perform functions on that... |
| 15:11.43 | chiel | aaah i'm an idiot |
| 15:11.44 | chiel | lol |
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| 15:15.13 | chiel | yay, got it working |
| 15:15.18 | chiel | now i just have to reposition the groups. |
| 15:15.19 | chiel | \o/ |
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| 15:25.16 | chiel | hm |
| 15:25.22 | chiel | is += not a valid operator in lua? :o |
| 15:27.16 | karl_w_w | http://i48.tinypic.com/122lxu1.png |
| 15:27.49 | SuperPortia|work | Ouch |
| 15:27.53 | chiel | lol |
| 15:27.54 | chiel | nice.. |
| 15:27.54 | SuperPortia|work | Are you running level 25 pets Karl? |
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| 15:29.20 | Vlad| | any ideas how I can disable a frame shadow? |
| 15:29.58 | Vlad| | using PortraitFrameTemplate template |
| 15:31.15 | chiel | hm, is there a way to delete an attribute from a frame? |
| 15:31.30 | chiel | I think both x and y offset being set it causing the layout to look a bit funky |
| 15:31.39 | Vlad| | set it to nil? |
| 15:31.43 | chiel | ah |
| 15:31.59 | chiel | hm fuck |
| 15:32.02 | chiel | that doesn't seem to work |
| 15:32.06 | chiel | no idea what is going on lol |
| 15:32.45 | Vlad| | what attrib you trying to delete? |
| 15:33.09 | karl_w_w | what reason would i have to pvp with level 25 pets |
| 15:33.23 | chiel | xOffset and yOffset |
| 15:33.38 | chiel | it's causing my layout to go a bit wonky since I'm changing the 'point' attribute |
| 15:33.44 | chiel | at least that's what it feels like |
| 15:33.44 | SuperPortia|work | Because like most people who PvP at max character level, I imagine most people are doing PvP pet battles at max level. |
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| 15:34.42 | karl_w_w | but it's nothing like character pvp |
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| 15:35.43 | SuperPortia|work | I imagine there's some psychology behind it. But either way, people are going to be running their best team. Their best team is the team likely to have the most wins and therefore be the highest level. |
| 15:35.53 | SuperPortia|work | They keep using their team until it can stop leveling... at 25. |
| 15:36.02 | SuperPortia|work | I don't have proof, but that's my theory. |
| 15:36.10 | SuperPortia|work | My hypothesis. |
| 15:36.19 | SuperPortia|work | (Not a theory until I test it) |
| 15:37.24 | chiel | blegh this shit's so weeeeeiird |
| 15:37.30 | karl_w_w | there is no reason for people to do that |
| 15:37.36 | chiel | two units in the same raid group, they are diagonal from each other |
| 15:37.40 | chiel | and i don't understand why |
| 15:37.52 | chiel | if i move the second person from group 1 to 2, and then back again, everything renders fine |
| 15:38.00 | Vlad| | :( |
| 15:38.06 | Vlad| | taint issues maybe break some stuff? |
| 15:38.09 | karl_w_w | unless they are going for the 5 wins without a death achieve, there is no benefit in pvping with 3 25s |
| 15:38.39 | SuperPortia|work | But then what level of team would they be PvPing with? |
| 15:38.55 | chiel | nope, no lua errors at all |
| 15:39.03 | chiel | and i'm testing this outside of combat |
| 15:39.05 | SuperPortia|work | You have 25 levels worth of range with a bunch lumped at one end. |
| 15:39.15 | SuperPortia|work | Eventually people learn that the shortest queues are at max level. |
| 15:39.15 | chiel | it's just on initial load it cocks up |
| 15:39.15 | karl_w_w | whatever they have that isnt level 25 |
| 15:40.30 | SuperPortia|work | I think there's just going to be so many more people with level 25 pets that that is where there is going to be a short queue. |
| 15:41.12 | SuperPortia|work | Do you have a level 25 team to run? |
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| 15:41.29 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 15:41.43 | karl_w_w | people dont do things for no benefit |
| 15:41.53 | SuperPortia|work | Shorter queue times. |
| 15:42.03 | karl_w_w | that isn't a benefit |
| 15:42.21 | SuperPortia|work | Shorter queue times isn't a benefit? |
| 15:42.35 | karl_w_w | no? |
| 15:42.56 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 15:43.35 | karl_w_w | that's like saying i can walk to the shop and buy milk, or i can walk to the other side of the street |
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| 15:44.00 | SuperPortia|work | You lost me with your analogy |
| 15:44.00 | karl_w_w | walking to the other side of the street doesnt get me anything, but it's shorter so that's the best |
| 15:44.44 | SuperPortia|work | Many people participate to participate. It's something to do. The shortest path to participation is therefore a benefit. |
| 15:45.01 | karl_w_w | which isn't sustainable |
| 15:45.22 | SuperPortia|work | So what goal is equivalent to the milk? What do you think they're trying to do? |
| 15:45.50 | karl_w_w | most likely going for win achievements |
| 15:45.56 | karl_w_w | or just passing the time |
| 15:46.03 | karl_w_w | which isn't sustainable |
| 15:46.20 | karl_w_w | people don't play in mmos for much length of time without a carrot |
| 15:46.44 | SuperPortia|work | We're still in the first few months of the feature. You have a lot of people in it because it's new. |
| 15:46.53 | karl_w_w | agreed |
| 15:47.48 | SuperPortia|work | The achievement for PvP pet battles is winning non-consecutive pet battles and winning 5 consecutive pet without healing. |
| 15:47.55 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 15:48.19 | karl_w_w | without dying you mean |
| 15:48.22 | SuperPortia|work | The first isn't affected by level as long as you're matched and the second lends itself to higher levels where you have healing pets. |
| 15:48.39 | SuperPortia|work | I thought you couldn't use your rez pet thing. |
| 15:48.41 | SuperPortia|work | Either way. |
| 15:48.56 | SuperPortia|work | No dying means you have to have pet healing and lots of defensive abilities. |
| 15:49.06 | SuperPortia|work | You'll have more of those at higher levels. |
| 15:49.07 | karl_w_w | not necessarily |
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| 15:50.09 | SuperPortia|work | Slot one is usually straight forward, use every round damage dealing. Slot two is healing/defense/special thing. Slot three is big whammy/pet signature. |
| 15:50.29 | SuperPortia|work | It's not a hard/fast rule, but it'll serve for this discussion. |
| 15:51.16 | SuperPortia|work | The second option for slot two options up at 15. |
| 15:51.28 | SuperPortia|work | So you have more healing/defensive options at 15+ than 14-. |
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| 15:52.57 | SuperPortia|work | Does PvP give experience? |
| 15:53.04 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 15:53.05 | SuperPortia|work | (pet PvP that is) |
| 15:53.17 | SuperPortia|work | That also indicates that you're more likely to find higher pet teams. |
| 15:53.38 | SuperPortia|work | There will be a slow progression upwards towards max level. |
| 15:54.22 | alestane | You are correct, chiel, Lua does not use "operate-and-assign" operators such as +=, -= or ++. |
| 15:54.26 | karl_w_w | none of this is a reward for pvping at 25 |
| 15:55.22 | SuperPortia|work | Winning is a reason to participate. Winning means gaining levels. Gaining levels will eventually put you at cap. |
| 15:55.34 | chiel | alestane: yeah, changed it already |
| 15:55.37 | SuperPortia|work | A lot of people compete to win. |
| 15:56.37 | karl_w_w | you cant gain levels at 25 |
| 15:56.53 | SuperPortia|work | You can still win. |
| 15:58.13 | karl_w_w | and what do you get for winning? |
| 15:58.31 | SuperPortia|work | The knowledge that you're better than someone else. |
| 15:58.43 | SuperPortia|work | There are lots of people who PvP for that reason. |
| 15:59.01 | karl_w_w | pvp has gear and ranks and titles and mounts |
| 15:59.13 | karl_w_w | and achievements |
| 15:59.14 | SuperPortia|work | There's no benefit to a chess match played between friends either other than that there's a winner. |
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| 15:59.23 | karl_w_w | pet battle pvp? nothing |
| 15:59.35 | karl_w_w | that's probably why there isnt a chess mmorpg |
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| 16:00.04 | SuperPortia|work | People played millions of hours of Halo when it didn't have any kind of RPG mechanics in order to be the best. |
| 16:00.11 | Jamash | so I'm watchin' bakemonogatari and then nisemonogatari |
| 16:00.20 | SuperPortia|work | People played games before there were achievements. |
| 16:00.36 | SuperPortia|work | Achievements are just another way to compare each other. |
| 16:00.36 | karl_w_w | we arent talking about games |
| 16:00.41 | karl_w_w | we are talking about mmos |
| 16:00.42 | Jamash | and I'm all man the bizarre architecture and view of the world remind me of madoka |
| 16:00.56 | Jamash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiyuki_Shinbo |
| 16:00.57 | karl_w_w | i think halo is a little different to pet battles |
| 16:01.22 | SuperPortia|work | I think people play MMOs for different reasons. |
| 16:01.27 | Jamash | so I'm smart enough to notice the similarity but not smart enough to deduce that they have the same animation director |
| 16:01.52 | Jamash | before there were achievements people took polaroids of their TVs |
| 16:02.04 | SuperPortia|work | I think the Pet Battle System isn't that far off from the Pokemon systems. And there you wanted to collect them all and battle other people to win. |
| 16:02.17 | Jamash | nowaidude |
| 16:02.30 | karl_w_w | except you couldn't catch em all within a month of casual play |
| 16:02.32 | SuperPortia|work | And most battles don't have achievements... they're just battles along the way. |
| 16:02.41 | Jamash | pokebattles are totally I mean pet battles are totally different from pokemon |
| 16:03.06 | SuperPortia|work | Why would you have to catch them all in a month of casual play? |
| 16:03.15 | Jamash | well, my sister did |
| 16:03.21 | Jamash | OCPD? |
| 16:03.34 | karl_w_w | you wouldn't, that's my point |
| 16:03.36 | karl_w_w | you cant |
| 16:03.44 | karl_w_w | because there's a lot more to pokemon |
| 16:03.55 | karl_w_w | pet battles i already caught them all |
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| 16:04.04 | SuperPortia|work | The only thing really that connects all MMO players is the willingness to put in sustained effort over a long time. |
| 16:04.25 | Jamash | the only thing that really connects all mmo players is playing mmos |
| 16:04.30 | karl_w_w | ..for a reward |
| 16:04.52 | SuperPortia|work | Rewards are fickle things. And they're personal. |
| 16:04.59 | SuperPortia|work | Not everyone cares about achievements. |
| 16:05.03 | karl_w_w | you seem to be suggesting pet battles is going to be the first ever successful mmo feature with no reward to them |
| 16:05.42 | Jamash | pet battles have rewards |
| 16:06.22 | SuperPortia|work | People will keep at something, generally, for a few reasons. One, an external reward. Two, a sense of progression. Three, a sense of superiority or ego boost. |
| 16:06.25 | Jamash | I came in after the first reel, what's the premise of this argument? |
| 16:06.48 | SuperPortia|work | Logically that there will be more people doing PvP pet battles at max level. |
| 16:06.59 | Jamash | oh, of course |
| 16:07.01 | SuperPortia|work | Which isn't hard to test actually. |
| 16:07.16 | SuperPortia|work | I create goals for myself. |
| 16:07.26 | Jamash | that's just due to the fact that the number of people at max level increases over time and piles up |
| 16:07.31 | SuperPortia|work | External goals (e.g. achievements) aren't the only goal out there. |
| 16:07.34 | Jamash | pets don't de-level |
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| 16:07.44 | karl_w_w | One, an external reward. <- there isn't one |
| 16:07.45 | karl_w_w | Two, a sense of progression. <- there is no progression when they are already 25 |
| 16:07.45 | karl_w_w | Three, a sense of superiority or ego boost. <- there's no rankings and you don't even know who your opponent is |
| 16:08.18 | karl_w_w | <Jamash> I came in after the first reel, what's the premise of this argument? |
| 16:08.25 | karl_w_w | woops |
| 16:08.36 | SuperPortia|work | People can keep a general sense of wins vs. losses in their head. No one has to keep track for them. |
| 16:08.49 | karl_w_w | the premise is there's no reward from pvp pet battles withlevel 25 pets |
| 16:09.02 | SuperPortia|work | My brother and I used to play a lot of games. There was no official score keeping over time but we knew who was better at what. |
| 16:09.27 | Jamash | if you find pvp pet battling fun, you'll do pvp pet battles regardless of level |
| 16:09.44 | karl_w_w | yes, and that is not sustainable |
| 16:09.48 | Jamash | I haven't done any pvp bet battling so I don't know |
| 16:10.06 | karl_w_w | people wont keep doing something in mmos without a reward |
| 16:10.10 | karl_w_w | its a simple fact |
| 16:10.26 | SuperPortia|work | I'm not arguing sustainability. People who create internal rewards for themselves will eventually move on. |
| 16:10.47 | karl_w_w | there's only so much excitement you can get out of "oh nice i beat a slightly different team composition to every other one i beat" |
| 16:11.11 | SuperPortia|work | People haven't (and that's a fact). |
| 16:11.11 | SuperPortia|work | People won't is a theory that's generally held. |
| 16:11.31 | Jamash | so you're saying pet battling doesn't have enough inherent complexity for people to maintain interest |
| 16:11.36 | SuperPortia|work | Depends on the person. |
| 16:11.51 | SuperPortia|work | (that was directed at karl_w_w) |
| 16:12.01 | Jamash | can you queue for pet battles during a raid? :P |
| 16:12.06 | karl_w_w | no |
| 16:12.06 | SuperPortia|work | Yes |
| 16:12.09 | SuperPortia|work | No? |
| 16:12.12 | SuperPortia|work | Interesting. |
| 16:12.21 | karl_w_w | nope, it says you cant pet battle here or something |
| 16:12.29 | Jamash | tragic |
| 16:12.31 | karl_w_w | even if u try to challenge sum1 standing next to you |
| 16:12.33 | SuperPortia|work | Did you ever play TCGs karl_w_w? |
| 16:12.39 | karl_w_w | no |
| 16:13.06 | SuperPortia|work | There's a lot of overlap between TCG players and MMO players. |
| 16:13.11 | TC-work | ^ |
| 16:13.12 | SuperPortia|work | And also people who play Pokemon. |
| 16:13.18 | TC-work | that is a TCG |
| 16:13.31 | SuperPortia|work | I meant the actual gameboy games. |
| 16:13.47 | SuperPortia|work | It covers a collecting and battling component. |
| 16:14.10 | SuperPortia|work | Most TCG titles aren't rated and there's no reward except winning. |
| 16:14.14 | SuperPortia|work | I played TCG games for years and still enjoy them. |
| 16:14.46 | TC-work | The OG rules of MTG did involve ante |
| 16:14.50 | SuperPortia|work | And you would go through periods of seeing the same deck over and over and the reward was finding cards (pets) and strategies that would defeat the current favorites until they were no longer favorites. |
| 16:15.01 | SuperPortia|work | Yeah, but few people liked it |
| 16:15.10 | SuperPortia|work | Ante worked when the cards didn't have much value. |
| 16:15.37 | TC-work | Can't argue with that one |
| 16:16.01 | SuperPortia|work | The two concepts were at odds with each other. Cards that win were more valuable and so you put them in your deck. Cards that have a lot of value are ones you don't want to lose to ante. |
| 16:16.49 | karl_w_w | not sure how there is a parallel here |
| 16:17.02 | SuperPortia|work | Ante isn't a parallel. |
| 16:17.02 | karl_w_w | you dont lose or gain pets by winning/losing pet battles |
| 16:17.15 | karl_w_w | and even if you did, you'd just go out and catch a new one |
| 16:17.20 | SuperPortia|work | It was an observation and an explanation of why you don't see it. |
| 16:17.29 | SuperPortia|work | Not all pets are capturable. |
| 16:17.54 | SuperPortia|work | Basically not all pets are re-attainable. |
| 16:18.05 | SuperPortia|work | And if you tell me I have to go get another minfernal, I'm gonna murder someone. |
| 16:18.17 | karl_w_w | minfernal is bugged |
| 16:18.37 | karl_w_w | and that's one of the rare exceptions |
| 16:18.47 | SuperPortia|work | Ok, Tiny Twister. |
| 16:18.50 | karl_w_w | besides, minfernal isn't one of the best |
| 16:18.50 | SuperPortia|work | Baby Ape |
| 16:19.05 | SuperPortia|work | Pandaren Monk ($10) |
| 16:19.16 | SuperPortia|work | Lil' Ragnaros ($10) |
| 16:19.19 | karl_w_w | can you buy the best trading card for $10? |
| 16:19.26 | Jamash | heh |
| 16:19.36 | Jamash | alpha black lotus will run you $4000 |
| 16:19.40 | SuperPortia|work | Collector's edition pets (Mini-thor, Panda Cub, etc) |
| 16:20.04 | SuperPortia|work | No, but people don't like loosing ten dollar cards either. |
| 16:20.35 | SuperPortia|work | I'm saying not every pet is easily attainable or even attainable. |
| 16:20.39 | SuperPortia|work | Anymore at least. |
| 16:20.48 | TC-work | Jamash: there are more expensive cards |
| 16:21.06 | SuperPortia|work | And there are more expensive WoW pets. |
| 16:21.11 | Jamash | not in magic as far as I know |
| 16:21.13 | karl_w_w | kind of a moot point because you don't win/lose pets, but even if they were to implement that there'd be a long way to go before it worked because in pets scarcity doesn't equate to power |
| 16:21.18 | SuperPortia|work | The ones from the TCG can run insane amounts. |
| 16:21.21 | Jamash | and I've never looked up price lists for anything else |
| 16:21.30 | Jamash | are we talking loot cards? because those don't count |
| 16:21.38 | TC-work | Jamash: misprints like the blue hurricane |
| 16:22.01 | SuperPortia|work | Either way, ante isn't a factor. It was just a side discussion. |
| 16:22.33 | SuperPortia|work | I just think you're underestimating how much effort people will put in to winning and how often that's enough for people. |
| 16:22.45 | SuperPortia|work | Even a subset of MMO players. |
| 16:22.55 | Jamash | misprints also don't count |
| 16:23.16 | Jamash | what's bugged about minfernal? |
| 16:23.47 | karl_w_w | "how often that's enough for people" - history tells us: never |
| 16:24.17 | karl_w_w | we're going for: never, until the almighty pet battle came |
| 16:24.30 | karl_w_w | doesn't hold his breath |
| 16:24.50 | SuperPortia|work | What's the reward in the Pokemon games for PvP battles? |
| 16:25.13 | karl_w_w | pokemon isnt an mmo |
| 16:25.28 | SuperPortia|work | But we just dumped pokemon into an MMO |
| 16:25.30 | karl_w_w | and it's ability to boast, I imagine |
| 16:25.42 | Jamash | yo portia |
| 16:25.47 | SuperPortia|work | Yes? |
| 16:25.51 | Jamash | we heard you like pokemon |
| 16:25.58 | Jamash | so we put pokemon in your wow |
| 16:26.06 | Jamash | so you can play pokemon while you play wow |
| 16:26.16 | SuperPortia|work | I played the card game. I haven't played the video game. And I hated the TV show. |
| 16:26.21 | SuperPortia|work | In my down time. |
| 16:26.32 | Jamash | I love pet battles |
| 16:26.32 | SuperPortia|work | I also heard you put in Pets vs. Zombies. |
| 16:26.34 | karl_w_w | the tv show was awesome! |
| 16:26.40 | karl_w_w | nah im joking :P |
| 16:26.46 | Jamash | I also love the PvZ quest |
| 16:26.54 | Jamash | so excited for PvZ2 |
| 16:27.10 | SuperPortia|work | What other popular games are you going to insert into your MMO to continue interest in it? |
| 16:27.29 | karl_w_w | dota is already on the cards |
| 16:27.39 | karl_w_w | maybe tower defence after that? |
| 16:27.40 | Jamash | angry birds, duh |
| 16:27.42 | SuperPortia|work | karl_w_w... the point is diversion. |
| 16:28.07 | SuperPortia|work | It's something else to do when you're sick and tired of the MMO battle system. |
| 16:28.07 | SuperPortia|work | Same thing with farmville. |
| 16:28.25 | SuperPortia|work | At this point, people like spending time with friends, but are bored of the mechanics. |
| 16:28.33 | SuperPortia|work | So they put everything else in. |
| 16:28.47 | karl_w_w | farmville also had no progression :P |
| 16:28.49 | SuperPortia|work | The rewards prolong it, but people won't be bored for rewards forever. |
| 16:29.01 | SuperPortia|work | And yet was super popular. |
| 16:29.09 | karl_w_w | i mean the wow version |
| 16:29.09 | SuperPortia|work | Actually it did have progression. |
| 16:29.14 | SuperPortia|work | It does. |
| 16:29.20 | Jamash | is there any part of wow that people don't eventually tire of? |
| 16:29.26 | SuperPortia|work | It was a huge money maker at the start. |
| 16:29.30 | Jamash | that's why they put in new stuff |
| 16:29.32 | SuperPortia|work | No. |
| 16:29.38 | Jamash | well then |
| 16:29.47 | SuperPortia|work | Is there any part of X that people don't eventually tire of. |
| 16:29.51 | Jamash | you might as well say that of video games as a whole |
| 16:29.56 | karl_w_w | Jamash: raiding? :P |
| 16:30.02 | Jamash | false :P |
| 16:30.06 | SuperPortia|work | Oh, people get tired of raiding. |
| 16:30.12 | Jamash | raises his hand |
| 16:30.20 | durcyn | in my experience? griefing. |
| 16:30.34 | Jamash | actually I didn't so much get tired of raiding as my guild imploded because cata heroics were stupid hard |
| 16:30.46 | Jamash | I did get tired of 20 man raiding |
| 16:30.53 | Jamash | 10m 4 lyfe yo |
| 16:31.35 | TC-work | I miss productive 40 mans |
| 16:31.43 | Jamash | 40 mans were never productive |
| 16:32.01 | TC-work | there were....but they were few and far between |
| 16:32.01 | SuperPortia|work | Ours always ended up being 37- or 38-man. |
| 16:32.19 | Jamash | wanding rotations |
| 16:32.24 | Jamash | WANDING ROTATIONS |
| 16:32.36 | Humbedooh | 40 man raid was awesome :| |
| 16:32.38 | karl_w_w | no, a person gets tired of raiding |
| 16:32.42 | karl_w_w | but people dont |
| 16:32.45 | Jamash | 40 man was the worst part of wow |
| 16:32.49 | Jamash | I'm glad it's dead |
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| 16:33.30 | SuperPortia|work | A lot of people raid because it's one of the few challenges in WoW. |
| 16:33.35 | SuperPortia|work | Something that can be overcome. |
| 16:33.38 | Jamash | but then, I'm a hater |
| 16:33.41 | Jamash | this is a known fact |
| 16:33.55 | SuperPortia|work | My guild is raiding something where we almost all have better gear already. |
| 16:34.04 | SuperPortia|work | But we do it to come together and do something difficult. |
| 16:34.13 | SuperPortia|work | We could and do get better stuff from LFR. |
| 16:34.27 | SuperPortia|work | It seems that would make us irrational to you karl_w_w. |
| 16:36.55 | Jamash | I think raiding has a greater level of inherent challenge and satisfaction over defeating adversity than pvp pet battles |
| 16:37.22 | SuperPortia|work | I'm not saying Blizzard hasn't made a misstep or tow. |
| 16:37.22 | SuperPortia|work | two. |
| 16:37.35 | SuperPortia|work | Look interest in PvP pet battles probably isn't going to be a huge thing. |
| 16:37.54 | SuperPortia|work | It's probably just a thing they put in there for the people who wanted it and it wasn't a crazy complex thing to implement. |
| 16:38.04 | SuperPortia|work | So it worked its way in. It's not the best designed system. |
| 16:38.29 | SuperPortia|work | But it'll eek out another hundred hours and another $15 from enough people to be worth it financially. |
| 16:39.08 | Jamash | *eke |
| 16:40.46 | Jamash | in other news, starbound: http://i.imgur.com/Q1W0t.png |
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| 16:49.23 | Unkle | Station |
| 16:49.39 | Humbedooh | Smurf |
| 16:50.23 | Jamash | I wrote down "there is a terrible secret hidden in the digits of the number one" on an envelope in the middle of the night |
| 16:50.55 | Unkle | No more spicy food before bedtime. |
| 16:51.00 | Jamash | carl sagan, you so silly |
| 16:52.04 | SuperPortia|work | Carl Sagan was a nutter... would be a very bad thing to say here. |
| 16:52.23 | Jamash | I said he was silly |
| 16:52.29 | SuperPortia|work | Carl Sagan ashes to ashes, stardust to stardust |
| 16:52.39 | SuperPortia|work | I was being silly |
| 16:52.39 | Unkle | That's a hanging offense. |
| 16:53.09 | TC-work | Unkle: fine, but no boring food before bedtime either |
| 16:53.12 | SuperPortia|work | You would be hard pressed to find someone who didn't like, or love Carl Sagan and what he did for us. |
| 16:53.25 | Jamash | your face is silly |
| 16:53.28 | SuperPortia|work | NdGT all the way though! |
| 16:53.58 | Unkle | What, you never heard the "Butthead Astronomer" story? |
| 16:55.20 | chiel | is there a way of detecting if a person is in a bg? |
| 16:55.33 | Jamash | Nd is neodymium, what's gt? |
| 16:56.05 | Jamash | chiel: you mean the player or someone else? |
| 16:56.21 | chiel | yeah the player, sorry :) |
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| 16:57.21 | chiel | hmm actually.. don't think i will even need that info, since i'm sizing my raid frames dynamically according to how many groups are in use |
| 16:57.25 | chiel | hmmmm |
| 16:57.25 | chiel | cool :> |
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| 17:03.37 | Jamash | hmm, tornado alarm |
| 17:03.56 | Jamash | friday noon test |
| 17:06.07 | SuperPortia|work | Where abouts are you Jamash? |
| 17:06.21 | Jamash | indianananana |
| 17:06.34 | SuperPortia|work | I've been to inianananananana |
| 17:06.55 | SuperPortia|work | I worked for a company out of Indianapolis for awhile. |
| 17:07.18 | SuperPortia|work | I went up there occasionally for training. |
| 17:07.23 | Jamash | it's rather unfortunately republican |
| 17:07.32 | Jamash | why is windows not recognizing my camera memory card |
| 17:07.41 | SuperPortia|work | Because it hates you |
| 17:07.53 | SuperPortia|work | I secretly looks for ways to annoy you. Because you're you. |
| 17:07.58 | Jamash | I know *that*, I'm looking for a more proximate reason |
| 17:07.59 | SuperPortia|work | That or it's a techy thing |
| 17:09.06 | karl_w_w | because the memory card is in your camera |
| 17:09.57 | Jamash | I took it out and put it in the reader |
| 17:11.40 | karl_w_w | because 1) the reader us broken, or 2) the drivers have been replaced by bad ones/been corrupted/you have a virus, or 3) the card's partition table has been corrupted, or 4) the card is physically damaged, or 5) the camera has formatted the card in some extremely obscure way |
| 17:12.45 | karl_w_w | or 6) you're an idiot and don't know how to find removable media in your file browser, but that one seems the least likely :P |
| 17:13.12 | karl_w_w | I can't think of any other reasons |
| 17:14.25 | karl_w_w | ooh ooh, or 7) you change a setting in or flashed your bios and the reader has been disabled |
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| 17:16.48 | Jamash | it shows up as D: but not formatted |
| 17:16.52 | Jamash | I'll try my 3DS card |
| 17:17.42 | Jamash | that one also doesn't work |
| 17:17.45 | Jamash | I'm thinking drivers |
| 17:17.46 | karl_w_w | that evidence suggests 3 or 5 |
| 17:17.59 | karl_w_w | what does it look like in disk management? |
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| 17:18.03 | Jamash | I recently reinstalled windoz |
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| 17:19.20 | karl_w_w | what if you put the card back in your camera and connect it up? |
| 17:19.35 | Jamash | workds fine |
| 17:20.20 | Lopeppeppy | Blows up. |
| 17:21.57 | karl_w_w | peppy make me do lfr |
| 17:22.51 | karl_w_w | i have 36 hours to do 17 dailies and 3 lfr runs |
| 17:22.59 | karl_w_w | but i dont wanna |
| 17:23.16 | karl_w_w | except I do want to, I just can't be bothered |
| 17:23.17 | Lopeppeppy | Then don't |
| 17:25.56 | Arrowmaster` | Jamash: ours is always the first monday of the month at noon |
| 17:27.06 | karl_w_w | don't tell the tornados or they might get sneaky |
| 17:27.14 | Jamash | disk management is displaying nothing |
| 17:27.18 | Jamash | this is worrying |
| 17:27.29 | Arrowmaster` | Ackis: you bought eve? |
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| 17:28.11 | Lopeppeppy | karl, press the button, get in the queue. |
| 17:33.07 | SuperPortia|work | Don't do it karl. |
| 17:33.09 | SuperPortia|work | Just don't do it. |
| 17:33.23 | SuperPortia|work | Resist the urge to do boring things for meaningly digital rewards. |
| 17:33.43 | SuperPortia|work | meaningless |
| 17:35.42 | Arrowmaster` | ohh my package made it to paris already |
| 17:36.24 | SuperPortia|work | Where from? |
| 17:36.28 | Arrowmaster` | from dubai |
| 17:36.37 | SuperPortia|work | Are you in Paris or Dubai? |
| 17:36.46 | Arrowmaster` | no, ohio |
| 17:36.50 | Semlar | he could be shipping from dubai |
| 17:37.03 | SuperPortia|work | And it's going to Paris on the way... ah |
| 17:37.13 | SuperPortia|work | Otherwise I was about to say "Bonjour!" |
| 17:37.32 | Arrowmaster` | they are cheating on their 2 day shipping though by saying it will be delivered on monday |
| 17:37.33 | Semlar | although i think the only thing in dubai is rollercoasters made of gold |
| 17:37.34 | SuperPortia|work | If you're lucky they're not striking in Paris. |
| 17:37.47 | nevcairiel | hits SuperPortia|work with a baguette |
| 17:38.01 | SuperPortia|work | Nev are you from Frane? |
| 17:38.03 | SuperPortia|work | France? |
| 17:38.12 | Arrowmaster` | hes not |
| 17:38.22 | SuperPortia|work | He just likes hitting people with Baguettes. |
| 17:38.32 | nevcairiel | thats the only thing those things are good for |
| 17:38.40 | nevcairiel | cheap swords |
| 17:38.42 | SuperPortia|work | Hey, they're freaking awesome for breakfast. |
| 17:39.10 | nevcairiel | its freaking impossible to get a decent breakfast in france |
| 17:39.17 | nevcairiel | or hell most other countries for that matter |
| 17:39.19 | SuperPortia|work | I did. |
| 17:39.29 | Arrowmaster` | i had poptarts for breakfast |
| 17:39.32 | SuperPortia|work | You just have to get up early and go to your boulangerie. |
| 17:39.50 | SuperPortia|work | A little brie. Some jam. It's not half bad. |
| 17:40.11 | nevcairiel | we must have a special way of making our breads and buns that other countries just can't do, they are soft and mushy, i hate that |
| 17:40.13 | SuperPortia|work | The stuff's like crack right after it's made. |
| 17:40.25 | SuperPortia|work | We make them cheap. |
| 17:40.36 | SuperPortia|work | A good crust takes effort. |
| 17:40.42 | SuperPortia|work | We = US |
| 17:41.24 | Arrowmaster` | i wonder how long this has been there http://store.steampowered.com/browse/linux/ |
| 17:41.46 | nevcairiel | its also impossible to get some good rye bread in france (or again, most other countries not germany :P) |
| 17:42.08 | Humbedooh | pft, you get excellent rye bread in the nordic countries |
| 17:42.10 | SuperPortia|work | Ok, France doesn't have the best Rye bread. |
| 17:42.21 | nevcairiel | they all eat fluffy bread or baguettes |
| 17:42.21 | SuperPortia|work | I do like me some Rye bread. |
| 17:42.26 | Semlar | you can't find good bread in the whole country? |
| 17:42.36 | nevcairiel | its just not something the french eat, apparently |
| 17:42.39 | SuperPortia|work | Any other people in nordic countries? |
| 17:42.50 | nevcairiel | oh and the dutchies have the same problem |
| 17:42.51 | Semlar | they eat french bread |
| 17:42.53 | Humbedooh | Semlar: Nobody asked you, Patrice!! |
| 17:42.54 | Semlar | it has the word french in it |
| 17:43.10 | nevcairiel | was on a business trip to amsterdam two weeks ago, hotel only had the same fluffy bread |
| 17:43.48 | Semlar | those monsters |
| 17:43.56 | SuperPortia|work | A good baguette should have a crispy exterior that makes a nice sound when you press down on it. |
| 17:44.26 | SuperPortia|work | Belgium has stroompwaffles. |
| 17:44.46 | SuperPortia|work | I swear those have actual crack cocaine in them. |
| 17:45.30 | TC-work | *sigh* we are 98% full across 220TB of space....not cool, Not cool at all. |
| 17:45.58 | Semlar | time to reformat |
| 17:46.12 | nevcairiel | thats still like 4TB of space, more then most people in this channel even have i bet! ;) |
| 17:46.42 | Arrowmaster` | not i |
| 17:46.54 | Arrowmaster` | and my raid is still down |
| 17:46.58 | TC-work | we have something like 2.5PB coming in the mail....but it's going to take a while. |
| 17:47.01 | SuperPortia|work | I think I'm up to 8-12TB |
| 17:47.11 | SuperPortia|work | That's just personal storage. |
| 17:47.12 | Arrowmaster` | TC-work: can i have the old one when you upgrade |
| 17:47.42 | Semlar | how do you ship 2.5PB of storage |
| 17:47.45 | SuperPortia|work | 4TB isn't what it used to be. |
| 17:47.52 | SuperPortia|work | In lots of boxes. |
| 17:47.55 | SuperPortia|work | Just like everything else. |
| 17:48.01 | Arrowmaster` | 4TB of good storage is still hard to get |
| 17:48.08 | SuperPortia|work | Really? |
| 17:48.13 | Arrowmaster` | consumer drives are crap |
| 17:48.15 | SuperPortia|work | I buy 'em 2TB at a time. |
| 17:48.20 | SuperPortia|work | Not all of them. |
| 17:48.25 | SuperPortia|work | I did pay a bit for mine. |
| 17:48.32 | TC-work | Arrowmaster`: Uh...it's not an upgrade, it's an addition. |
| 17:48.55 | Arrowmaster` | ive got 8x1TB enterprise drives that cost me $150 each 3 years ago |
| 17:48.58 | SuperPortia|work | I'm assuming this is for work and not your insane lust to have more storage at home than you could possibly use. |
| 17:49.05 | TC-work | Yes |
| 17:49.12 | Arrowmaster` | double the cost of consumer 1TB drives at the time |
| 17:49.33 | SuperPortia|work | I can just see you cackling madly in the corner. More storage! More storage! MWAHAHAHAHA! |
| 17:49.34 | TC-work | We are traiding Pixar actually, we get NetApp gear they get Isilon gear |
| 17:49.55 | TC-work | with Pixar* |
| 17:50.28 | SuperPortia|work | I generally buy from NewEgg or TigerDirect and get some of the better upper-end consumer drives. |
| 17:50.40 | SuperPortia|work | Caviar Black and such. |
| 17:50.41 | SuperPortia|work | They're fine for what they are. |
| 17:50.51 | SuperPortia|work | I do my research first. |
| 17:50.54 | TC-work | But i would not say no to having a few hundred TB of space at home |
| 17:51.12 | nevcairiel | ironically, uses too much space |
| 17:51.15 | SuperPortia|work | How many copies of your porn collection do you need? |
| 17:51.39 | TC-work | More like 50GB/movie |
| 17:51.56 | TC-work | and TV shows |
| 17:52.11 | karl_w_w | im currently using 3gb and hitting the limit, so I'd like about 10gb ideally to be able to back up everything and have breathing room |
| 17:52.14 | karl_w_w | tb* |
| 17:52.28 | karl_w_w | hundreds seems crazy |
| 17:52.47 | SuperPortia|work | At 50GB a movie, that's still 20 movies a TB. |
| 17:53.24 | SuperPortia|work | So theoretically you're looking for at least 2000 hours of video. |
| 17:53.45 | alestane | Amusingly random: http://threepanelsoul.com/2011/05/23/on-skills/ |
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| 17:53.56 | SuperPortia|work | Or 125 days of solid 16 hour/day movie watching |
| 17:53.57 | karl_w_w | i have 400 movies |
| 17:54.06 | karl_w_w | probably more than that by length of tv shows |
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| 17:54.28 | nevcairiel | its not necessarily about the watching, but also the collecting :p |
| 17:54.30 | TC-work | Hopefully my home connection is done being a dick |
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| 17:56.43 | nevcairiel | next time i'm building a new server i'll probably look for one of the 19" units with 24 hdd cages and sata/sas backplanes, but that won't be for a few years i bet |
| 17:57.30 | Semlar | in a few years one drive will replace that |
| 17:57.32 | karl_w_w | jesus i have 8 seasons of top gear on here and didnt know |
| 17:57.58 | Semlar | these things happen |
| 17:58.02 | TC-work | I keep looking at NAS's but it always annoys me to pay more for that than a basic computer which can hold the same amount of space if not more. |
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| 17:58.44 | Semlar | build your own? |
| 17:59.15 | karl_w_w | and i have 6 seasons of bones on here |
| 17:59.29 | karl_w_w | buggered if i know where that came from |
| 17:59.56 | nevcairiel | i have 8 seasons of bones. :p |
| 18:00.06 | SuperPortia|work | I'm sorry. |
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| 18:00.25 | karl_w_w | i have all of curb your enthusiasm, a show that nobody in the house likes particularly |
| 18:01.32 | SuperPortia|work | It was a good show. |
| 18:02.31 | Semlar | does party_kill only fire for the 5 people in your group or the whole raid |
| 18:03.04 | karl_w_w | party_kill is next to useless |
| 18:03.44 | karl_w_w | it doesnt even fire for your own pet |
| 18:03.52 | Semlar | good, good |
| 18:03.56 | karl_w_w | and no it doesnt fire for raid |
| 18:04.09 | karl_w_w | also doesnt fire for hunter traps |
| 18:05.31 | Semlar | bosses that die and come back still cause the UNIT_DIED event right |
| 18:05.34 | karl_w_w | the most reliable way to catch all kills is to watch for overkill on a damage event |
| 18:05.56 | kd3 | "The customer is rarely right, but he has money and we want him to willingly give it to us" |
| 18:06.00 | kd3 | if only more people believed this |
| 18:07.11 | Semlar | i want to catch the possibility that you've one-shot a boss with an ability that can't be traced back to you |
| 18:07.38 | nevcairiel | the perfect crime? |
| 18:08.12 | Arrowmaster` | YES IT WORKS! I HAVE STEAM LINUX RUNNING! |
| 18:08.17 | karl_w_w | a boss gets one shot in a room locked from the inside? |
| 18:08.40 | clever | Arrowmaster`: native app, or wine? |
| 18:08.44 | nevcairiel | obviously i went in, locked after me, and hearthed out when done |
| 18:08.46 | Arrowmaster` | native |
| 18:08.48 | clever | nice |
| 18:08.51 | Arrowmaster` | got my invite yesterday |
| 18:08.59 | clever | ah, invite only? |
| 18:09.01 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster`s gone native |
| 18:09.06 | Arrowmaster` | and got it running on debian wheezy just now |
| 18:09.35 | Semlar | this is probably stupid to track anyway, this is never going to be a problem |
| 18:10.07 | karl_w_w | why not |
| 18:10.08 | kd3 | oh, right. I saw an email on my phone yesterday |
| 18:10.10 | kd3 | tabs open gmail agian |
| 18:10.14 | karl_w_w | bosses are 1 shottable |
| 18:10.30 | Semlar | yeah but it's pretty unlikely anyone one shotting bosses is going to care about what loot they drop |
| 18:10.31 | clever | Arrowmaster`: invite only right now? |
| 18:10.37 | Arrowmaster` | yes |
| 18:10.47 | Arrowmaster` | they just sent out a major wave of invites though |
| 18:10.52 | karl_w_w | unless they are mount/pet farming |
| 18:10.54 | Semlar | at least not what loot they drop specifically for their class |
| 18:10.56 | clever | ah |
| 18:10.58 | karl_w_w | or going for xmog sets |
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| 18:11.04 | clever | Arrowmaster`: how do they know who even has linux? |
| 18:11.07 | Semlar | i guess that could be |
| 18:11.13 | Arrowmaster` | clever: you have to sign up |
| 18:11.18 | kd3 | they asked steam users to opt-in to the beta |
| 18:11.18 | clever | Arrowmaster`: ah, where? |
| 18:11.24 | clever | *checks email* |
| 18:11.32 | clever | hmmm, which email did i use, lol |
| 18:11.39 | Semlar | although this wouldn't be very good for transmog because it filters based on your spec not just what you can equip |
| 18:11.48 | kd3 | http://steamcommunity.com/linux |
| 18:12.00 | clever | kd3: ah, thanks |
| 18:12.40 | Arrowmaster` | also http://www.valvesoftware.com/linuxsurvey.php |
| 18:12.49 | Arrowmaster` | thats how i signed up |
| 18:12.55 | Semlar | i think my addon catches spells with a cast time though, they should still cause a SPELL_DAMAGE event |
| 18:12.56 | karl_w_w | this steam big screen feature seems weird to me |
| 18:13.34 | karl_w_w | are they going for the lucrative people-who-use-PCs-as-gaming-consoles-hooked-up-to-a-tv-screen dollar? |
| 18:13.42 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:14.01 | karl_w_w | they obviously have much more thorough market research than me then |
| 18:14.07 | karl_w_w | or they are planning something big |
| 18:14.50 | Arrowmaster` | well there was the steambox rumor |
| 18:17.52 | Semlar | i don't check that you've left combat for a reason other than winning the fight, so i should probably account for a few things like wiping |
| 18:18.38 | karl_w_w | combat doesnt always end when the fight does |
| 18:18.51 | Semlar | i can live with that |
| 18:19.25 | Semlar | there aren't too many options |
| 18:20.41 | Vlad| | is "the war on christmas" a real thing in the US? :P |
| 18:20.47 | Semlar | no |
| 18:21.03 | Semlar | leaving combat during a boss fight is generally pretty rare though right |
| 18:21.05 | chiel | there, think I just squashed another lua bug :D |
| 18:21.05 | kd3 | mmm... I suppose I should start looking to see if someone's repacked the .deb into an rpm yet |
| 18:21.07 | SuperPortia|work | Not even a litt.e |
| 18:21.35 | Semlar | i don't know, i recall it being pretty damn hard to leave combat even with abilities like vanish |
| 18:21.54 | SuperPortia|work | I do it all the time. |
| 18:22.00 | Semlar | in raids? |
| 18:22.01 | SuperPortia|work | Invisibility and Greater Invisibility |
| 18:22.03 | SuperPortia|work | Yeah |
| 18:22.12 | SuperPortia|work | About half |
| 18:22.22 | SuperPortia|work | Also hunter feint death |
| 18:22.45 | newbie|2 | kd3: theres a forum post about running the beta on other distros |
| 18:22.45 | Kaylin | it should only knock you out of combat if everybody who didn't fd/vanish/invis is dead or out of zone |
| 18:22.58 | Semlar | yeah it never actually let me leave combat during a real boss fight |
| 18:23.04 | Semlar | at least not in cataclysm |
| 18:23.11 | SuperPortia|work | You have to time it right, but I pull it off regularly. |
| 18:23.26 | Vlad| | I wouldn't use being out of combat as "oh boss is dead" I don't know, just afraid of using that :( |
| 18:23.50 | karl_w_w | you leave combat on arthas |
| 18:23.55 | karl_w_w | only one i can think os |
| 18:23.58 | karl_w_w | of |
| 18:24.00 | SuperPortia|work | Basically if the boss has no one to target, it resets. Whomever is feigning, invis, or stealthed then lives. |
| 18:24.28 | SuperPortia|work | But basically it's a wipe where not everyone dies. |
| 18:24.29 | karl_w_w | or if you simply die and get ressed |
| 18:24.31 | SuperPortia|work | Then usually I mass rez. |
| 18:24.41 | Semlar | yeah, that's like if everyone else is dead though |
| 18:24.47 | Semlar | if the fight is going on you can't leave it |
| 18:24.51 | SuperPortia|work | True |
| 18:25.12 | SuperPortia|work | It's a wipe either way. Some people just may get out of dieing for it. |
| 18:25.33 | karl_w_w | invis et al don't take you out of combat |
| 18:25.47 | karl_w_w | you leave combat because the boss despawned |
| 18:26.33 | karl_w_w | combat is raid-wide while an encounter is in progress, so the only way to get out would be to die |
| 18:26.53 | karl_w_w | or be fighting a world boss and run ~100 yards away |
| 18:27.02 | Semlar | i can also check whether anyone else in the raid is still in combat |
| 18:27.14 | karl_w_w | wouldnt work for arthas :P |
| 18:27.46 | Semlar | at what point |
| 18:27.59 | Semlar | when he kills everyone? |
| 18:28.01 | karl_w_w | he kills the whole raid at 10% |
| 18:28.03 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:28.28 | Semlar | it actually would still work because you hit him again after that |
| 18:28.52 | kd3 | ah, there we go. there's a fedora rpm on the suse buildservice |
| 18:28.55 | Semlar | technically the addon would think you wiped |
| 18:29.01 | karl_w_w | unless you afk and dont accept the res :P |
| 18:29.01 | Semlar | then restarted the fight |
| 18:29.15 | Semlar | it doesn't matter, i detect whether anyone in your raid is fighting the boss |
| 18:29.21 | karl_w_w | oh right |
| 18:29.32 | Semlar | it's still not perfect |
| 18:29.34 | karl_w_w | oh you die on um |
| 18:29.38 | Arrowmaster`` | pompy: i got it back to fullscreen but still cant do anything, send me another message |
| 18:29.43 | karl_w_w | a boss in heart of fear |
| 18:29.55 | karl_w_w | when the fight ends you die if u were transformed |
| 18:30.12 | kd3 | un'sok |
| 18:30.27 | Arrowmaster`` | kd3: send me a message on steam |
| 18:30.37 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, send me a Christmas card! |
| 18:30.44 | Semlar | i could keep track of whether anyone in your raid is still in combat |
| 18:30.48 | SuperPortia|work | What's this add-on do? |
| 18:31.04 | Semlar | at the end of the fight it outputs what the boss could have dropped for your class |
| 18:31.18 | SuperPortia|work | Oh, the thing for Vlad |
| 18:31.24 | Vlad| | oh? |
| 18:31.28 | kd3 | sure |
| 18:31.29 | Semlar | it all works |
| 18:31.31 | Jamash | you would need to special case any boss that kills you and then unkills you |
| 18:31.36 | Arrowmaster`` | no seriously, i was in a fullscreen game and pompy sent me a steam message and it booted the game out of fullscreen and broke it, i cant interact with the game but i got it back into fullscreen and couldnt get it out |
| 18:31.39 | Semlar | except detecting whether the boss is dead |
| 18:31.46 | Arrowmaster`` | only steam messages bump it out of fullscreen |
| 18:31.48 | kd3 | sec |
| 18:31.49 | pompy | :O |
| 18:31.54 | Arrowmaster`` | oh fuck |
| 18:32.03 | Arrowmaster`` | somebody sent me a message but it went right back to fullscreen |
| 18:32.09 | Semlar | right now it's just detecting if you've left combat after being in combat with it |
| 18:32.23 | karl_w_w | how does dbm detect kills |
| 18:32.30 | Semlar | with a huge list for every boss |
| 18:32.39 | karl_w_w | ah yes i remember |
| 18:32.44 | Arrowmaster`` | fuck it ill ssh in from my tablet |
| 18:32.52 | kd3 | erm arrow, I don't think I'm friends with you on steam? |
| 18:32.59 | SuperPortia|work | I take it UnitIsDead doesn't work. |
| 18:33.10 | Semlar | bosses don't always die |
| 18:33.24 | Semlar | but it's going to work in like 90% of cases |
| 18:33.30 | pompy | also the friends dialog is saying arrow is online but not in a game, but hte community friends tab says he's in a game |
| 18:33.31 | Semlar | if i just track whether someone in the raid killed it |
| 18:33.55 | kd3 | cripes |
| 18:34.01 | karl_w_w | i can msg you if u want Arrowmaster |
| 18:34.02 | Arrowmaster | there i got it killed |
| 18:34.04 | kd3 | "Downloading update: x of 11,877KB" |
| 18:34.17 | Arrowmaster | pompy killed my game just as i was getting started :( |
| 18:34.23 | pompy | aww |
| 18:34.25 | pompy | sowwy |
| 18:34.27 | SuperPortia|work | Can't you iterate over your party and ask UnitAffectingCombat? |
| 18:34.40 | SuperPortia|work | And then when the answer is no for everyone you've wiped or won. |
| 18:34.46 | Arrowmaster | its the little toast popups in the corner that forced it out of fullscreen |
| 18:35.07 | karl_w_w | sounds taxing SuperPortia|work |
| 18:35.13 | pompy | maybe the game itself? try it with anothe game launched? |
| 18:35.47 | SuperPortia|work | This is only where cases of units who don't die. You could only check when the unit's health is below a certain threshold. |
| 18:35.57 | SuperPortia|work | It's heuristics, but it's something. |
| 18:36.20 | Semlar | what about the boss frame |
| 18:36.32 | Semlar | i could just track whether those are gone |
| 18:36.34 | SuperPortia|work | Though in all cases, don't the bosses who you don't kill turn friendly? |
| 18:36.42 | SuperPortia|work | So you could check for dead or friendly |
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| 18:36.53 | SuperPortia|work | That could work too. |
| 18:37.02 | Jamash | so let me see if I understand the rep changes correctly, once you hit revered with any faction on any character, every character on your account including that character earns double rep for that faction? |
| 18:37.07 | SuperPortia|work | Though can't you turn those off? |
| 18:37.15 | Semlar | it wouldn't matter |
| 18:37.17 | SuperPortia|work | After you buy the item, yep |
| 18:37.26 | Semlar | i'm not talking about the actual frames just the unit id |
| 18:37.27 | kd3 | jamash; after you buy the item, yes |
| 18:37.30 | kd3 | which costs something like 50g |
| 18:37.31 | Jamash | what item |
| 18:37.40 | kd3 | go talk to the rep vendor for that faction |
| 18:37.41 | karl_w_w | http://store.steampowered.com/app/219740/ interesting! |
| 18:38.01 | kd3 | it's the only artifact item it sells, with an obvious name |
| 18:38.02 | Jamash | is this only mists factions? |
| 18:38.05 | SuperPortia|work | Do all bosses who you would want this for have a unit frame? |
| 18:38.06 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:38.09 | Jamash | boo |
| 18:38.25 | Jamash | I figured they meant all factions |
| 18:38.38 | SuperPortia|work | Not yet. They asked if that's something people wanted. |
| 18:39.11 | Semlar | no not all bosses would have a boss id but the ones in the raids would |
| 18:39.57 | karl_w_w | blizz really need events for boss pulls and any deaths |
| 18:40.00 | Semlar | i kind of wanted to make it just work for everything though |
| 18:40.07 | Semlar | yeah i can't believe there isn't an event for this |
| 18:40.22 | kd3 | ...doesn't blizz have events for that? how do the boss frames know to show up and go away? |
| 18:40.27 | SuperPortia|work | I think dead or friendly would world. |
| 18:40.30 | SuperPortia|work | work.* |
| 18:40.46 | karl_w_w | all we need is an event something_died which returns killerguid and deadguid |
| 18:41.13 | karl_w_w | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 18:41.20 | Jamash | it's called CLEU |
| 18:41.28 | karl_w_w | no Jamash |
| 18:41.39 | karl_w_w | there is no cleu event as i described |
| 18:41.39 | Semlar | we need an event specifically for encounters starting and ending |
| 18:41.46 | Jamash | oh I know what you mean |
| 18:41.52 | Jamash | I'm just sayin' that's what we got |
| 18:41.57 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:42.03 | karl_w_w | and emotes |
| 18:42.07 | Jamash | I rebooted and my SD card reader magically fixed itself |
| 18:42.10 | karl_w_w | and any other mishmash of things |
| 18:43.38 | SuperPortia|work | driver probably crashed |
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| 18:44.25 | End_ | on boss frames: no idea how blizzard does it in their frames, but normally secureframes would just use RegisterUnitWatch which polls UnitExists |
| 18:44.37 | End_ | no idea how useful that is for general encounter detection |
| 18:44.42 | Jamash | what file are the boss frames in? |
| 18:44.49 | Semlar | i think the boss frames might be triggered C side |
| 18:44.53 | Semlar | targetframe.lua |
| 18:45.12 | Vlad| | I wonder if targetmouseover works lol |
| 18:45.12 | Semlar | i don't see where they're actually created |
| 18:45.31 | Semlar | well i mean shown |
| 18:45.33 | Jamash | RAID_TARGET_UPDATE? |
| 18:45.45 | Jamash | or is that target icons |
| 18:45.55 | Jamash | that's icons |
| 18:46.29 | Jamash | bing bing bing |
| 18:46.30 | karl_w_w | im almost positive that this conversation would have been done to death many times before :P |
| 18:46.33 | Jamash | INSTANCE_ENCOUNTER_ENGAGE_UNIT |
| 18:46.55 | Semlar | yeah i think it just makes up that event |
| 18:46.58 | karl_w_w | if a solution existed, dbm and a million other addons would be using it |
| 18:47.30 | Semlar | no i guess it is a real event |
| 18:47.38 | Semlar | but probably only for raids |
| 18:47.55 | Jamash | ofc |
| 18:48.04 | Jamash | that's the boss frame event |
| 18:48.14 | Jamash | well, the boss event I guess |
| 18:48.18 | Semlar | i tried all the things like IsInEncounter but i think they only work for specific bosses |
| 18:48.36 | Lopeppeppy | Boss pull event = combat start? |
| 18:49.05 | Semlar | what i have for detecting whether you're in combat with the boss works pretty well |
| 18:49.18 | Semlar | it's just determining whether you've *successfully* finished the fight that i'm not sure about |
| 18:49.40 | Semlar | maybe a combination of things |
| 18:50.27 | Semlar | one thing i know happens at the end of an encounter is that combat eventually ends |
| 18:50.28 | karl_w_w | i reckon a combination of unit_died and reaction changed would probably do it |
| 18:50.43 | Semlar | but not all bosses are killed |
| 18:50.56 | karl_w_w | those that dont have a change of reaction |
| 18:51.06 | SuperPortia|work | All the bosses who aren't killed, turn friendly. |
| 18:51.10 | Semlar | does that cover everything? |
| 18:51.11 | SuperPortia|work | Correct? |
| 18:51.21 | karl_w_w | not all, some just turn unattackable i think? |
| 18:51.22 | SuperPortia|work | It should, otherwise you keep attacking it |
| 18:51.23 | Jamash | encounter mechanics are complicated as hell |
| 18:51.34 | SuperPortia|work | Who doesn't turn friendly? |
| 18:51.35 | Semlar | what if they just vanish |
| 18:51.37 | Jamash | I doubt there's any simple way to tell for all bosses |
| 18:51.47 | karl_w_w | not sure if turning unattackle fires a reaction change event |
| 18:51.49 | SuperPortia|work | They're not dead and still not friendly |
| 18:51.54 | karl_w_w | but their nameplate disappears |
| 18:52.03 | karl_w_w | dunno if that's any use or what that signifies |
| 18:52.14 | Vlad| | Semlar: 0xF13 | 01417 | 00005E7D |
| 18:52.19 | Vlad| | 5E7D is the spawnID? |
| 18:52.33 | Semlar | i think it's a counter |
| 18:52.53 | Semlar | i'm not sure if it's that whole string or not |
| 18:53.05 | karl_w_w | hmm what about spirit kings |
| 18:53.21 | karl_w_w | do they die i dont even remember |
| 18:53.55 | Semlar | i'm thinking detecting a combination of combat ending and maybe a handful of other things that i haven't figured out yet |
| 18:54.00 | karl_w_w | and illidan dies in a weird way that'd be hard to catch |
| 18:54.38 | Vlad| | got an revolutionary idea, Semlar |
| 18:54.45 | Semlar | combat ending for the entire raid and people are still alive |
| 18:54.54 | Jamash | could also be a wipe sem |
| 18:54.54 | Semlar | what |
| 18:55.02 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=6531 |
| 18:55.02 | Semlar | no i'm checking for a wipe |
| 18:55.11 | Vlad| | gonna check if the spawn counter is the same on the correct clone or not :P |
| 18:55.20 | Jamash | how do you detect wipe vs feign death? |
| 18:55.35 | Jamash | I mean victory vs wipe with feign death |
| 18:55.52 | Semlar | i can check their buffs |
| 18:56.19 | Semlar | actually i can check literally IsFeigning or whatever the api is |
| 18:56.21 | SuperPortia|work | Huh? |
| 18:56.33 | Semlar | but i could check their buffs for the other things |
| 18:56.39 | SuperPortia|work | For the four or so spells that do that? |
| 18:56.48 | SuperPortia|work | Or does IsFeigning cover all similar effect? |
| 18:57.30 | Semlar | dbm and every other boss addon check for a wipe so that's definitely determinable |
| 18:57.35 | Jamash | what about vanish/invis |
| 18:57.42 | Jamash | oh I know they do I just don't know how they do it |
| 18:57.49 | karl_w_w | i worked it out Semlar don't worry |
| 18:58.01 | karl_w_w | listen for CRITERIA_UPDATE |
| 18:58.20 | karl_w_w | and when it fires check if any of the boss kill counters incremented |
| 18:58.42 | Semlar | the stats page? |
| 18:58.44 | Jamash | not every boss has a kill counter |
| 18:58.54 | karl_w_w | don't lie Jamash :( |
| 18:59.25 | Jamash | your face is a lie |
| 18:59.51 | karl_w_w | I'm not sure you're right about that |
| 19:00.08 | karl_w_w | it used to be the case I remember, but I think they're better at keeping it up to date now |
| 19:00.48 | Jamash | why not just wait for the loot window |
| 19:00.53 | karl_w_w | pre-wrath bosses still mostly don't |
| 19:01.02 | karl_w_w | but do they matter? |
| 19:01.16 | karl_w_w | no loot window with free for all or master looter |
| 19:01.57 | Semlar | we can't watch for a loot window with lfr or whatever this is supposed to work for |
| 19:02.16 | Semlar | alright i killed a boss in rfc and it fired criteria_update like 5 times |
| 19:02.31 | Semlar | i don't know what it updated but it was a few things |
| 19:02.47 | SuperPortia|work | There's toast though in LFR |
| 19:02.56 | SuperPortia|work | But you get the option roll even in normal raids. |
| 19:03.04 | SuperPortia|work | Anything Pandaria. |
| 19:03.18 | Semlar | if you can really track how many times you've killed a boss this would be a good way to do it |
| 19:03.21 | karl_w_w | criteria_update is any stat or achievement progress change |
| 19:03.41 | karl_w_w | so u woulda got one for a creature kill, assuming u got the killing blow |
| 19:03.48 | nebula169 | might try IsEncounterInProgress, not sure if it works in encounters without ENGAGE events/boss frames |
| 19:03.56 | Semlar | it doesn't |
| 19:03.59 | karl_w_w | so u need the boss to have a counter dedicated to it |
| 19:04.09 | karl_w_w | which not all pre-wrath bosses do |
| 19:04.10 | Semlar | they aren't really "encounters" |
| 19:04.40 | Semlar | plus i need to figure out when they end successfully |
| 19:04.54 | Semlar | what i have now is basically the same as IsEncounterInProgress |
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| 19:06.12 | Semlar | how many bosses really don't die |
| 19:06.18 | karl_w_w | lots |
| 19:06.32 | karl_w_w | there are 2 in terrace of endless spring |
| 19:06.47 | Jamash | dreamwalker :D |
| 19:07.06 | Semlar | this should actually handle the dreamwalker fight |
| 19:07.24 | Semlar | i'm detecting whether you've healed the boss |
| 19:07.43 | Jamash | what if the boss spell reflects a life drain attack |
| 19:07.51 | Semlar | doesn't matter |
| 19:07.55 | karl_w_w | bosses spell reflect? |
| 19:08.03 | Jamash | I dunno |
| 19:08.08 | Semlar | pretty sure haunt counts as the boss healing you |
| 19:08.10 | karl_w_w | yes, one of the spirit kings does |
| 19:08.25 | Semlar | still doesn't matter, i just use it to detect whether you're fighting them |
| 19:08.55 | karl_w_w | what about bosses that kill themselves |
| 19:09.06 | karl_w_w | like rotface |
| 19:09.33 | Semlar | what i have now i'm pretty sure will work successfully for every boss fight |
| 19:09.38 | karl_w_w | is rotface the one im thinking of? anyway they get to 1 health then do an explosion or some other thing |
| 19:09.50 | Semlar | it just also has a lot of false positives |
| 19:09.56 | Semlar | like wiping |
| 19:10.09 | Vlad| | Semlar: I found something neat out |
| 19:10.24 | karl_w_w | Semlar: just don't wipe, problem solved :P |
| 19:11.14 | Semlar | in combat with a boss -> no longer in combat -> fight is over (even though it isn't always over) |
| 19:11.42 | karl_w_w | what about shade of akama? :D |
| 19:11.53 | karl_w_w | oh that should be fine actually |
| 19:12.55 | karl_w_w | or multiple boss encounters like iron council, false positive every time 1 dies? |
| 19:13.21 | Semlar | i don't think you leave combat until the encounter is over |
| 19:13.34 | Semlar | or do you |
| 19:13.55 | Semlar | fuck i'm pretty sure there are fights that let you take a break |
| 19:14.13 | Semlar | maybe not between actual bosses though |
| 19:15.42 | karl_w_w | how are u checking what boss you're actually fighting? |
| 19:16.53 | Vlad| | sorry Semlar I had no breaktrough :( |
| 19:17.03 | Vlad| | the real barov has no specific GUID data I can use |
| 19:17.58 | Semlar | i'm using the combat log to see if the boss (by name) has either made an action against anyone in the raid or they did anything against them |
| 19:18.26 | Semlar | which i can't think of any situation it won't work in |
| 19:18.37 | Semlar | unless you never fight the boss |
| 19:19.25 | Semlar | if there's a fight where you never interact with the boss at any point beforehand i'm giving up |
| 19:20.49 | Semlar | i'm leaning towards just adding a hotkey that the person can push to open up the window |
| 19:21.16 | Semlar | or leave it on the screen during the entire encounter, something small they can click to expand |
| 19:21.49 | Semlar | since i can definitely detect that you're in a given encounter |
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| 19:25.33 | karl_w_w | suggestion submitted :P |
| 19:25.42 | karl_w_w | give us events blizzard |
| 19:26.30 | Semlar | i still think if the raid has left combat and hasn't wiped that's close enough to a win to pop the window |
| 19:26.41 | Semlar | it could mean the boss has despawned |
| 19:26.48 | Semlar | but whatever |
| 19:27.00 | karl_w_w | i didnt even think of that :P |
| 19:27.22 | karl_w_w | sometimes bosses just bug clean out and despawn for no reason |
| 19:27.35 | Semlar | always hilarious |
| 19:28.07 | nebula169 | lol: function BLAHBLAH(index,tryAdd) in Blizzard_ReforgingUI.lua |
| 19:28.19 | karl_w_w | is the purpose of this for bonus loot rolls? |
| 19:28.38 | Semlar | partly, i wanted it to work for everything though |
| 19:28.45 | karl_w_w | because in that case, what if you're kept in combat for the duration of the ridiculously short bonus roll window |
| 19:29.00 | Semlar | if i restricted it to just bonus loot rolls i could just detect the loot roll window i guess |
| 19:29.34 | Semlar | probably, i have no way to test it |
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| 19:29.48 | karl_w_w | yeah but that would have to be the sole purpose of the addon in that case |
| 19:30.00 | karl_w_w | because the window doesn't even come up if you have no charms |
| 19:30.44 | Semlar | okay here's what i'm thinking |
| 19:30.58 | Semlar | i just have a window with a dropdown menu with all the bosses in the instance in it |
| 19:31.12 | Semlar | and you can switch between them to see what loot can drop that you can use |
| 19:31.20 | Semlar | and it automatically picks the last encounter you were in |
| 19:31.33 | karl_w_w | sounds like atlasloot with a nice feature added on :P |
| 19:31.56 | Semlar | that way i don't have to detect jack |
| 19:32.02 | Semlar | other than what i'm already doing |
| 19:32.38 | karl_w_w | there are no raid bosses called jack |
| 19:32.38 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 19:33.03 | TC-work | karl_w_w: actually there is. It's a nickname |
| 19:34.13 | karl_w_w | I'd like to see you detect the end and result of the chess event Semlar :P |
| 19:34.31 | Semlar | i don't even know if i can detect that you're engaged in chess |
| 19:34.55 | karl_w_w | you could watch for the controlling a piece buff :P |
| 19:35.30 | Semlar | oh well there isn't even a raid tab in the encounter journal before cataclysm |
| 19:35.37 | Semlar | so probably not |
| 19:36.09 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 19:36.30 | karl_w_w | unrelated note but do i remember something about kara being made into a dungeon or something? |
| 19:36.32 | karl_w_w | a scenario |
| 19:38.28 | Semlar | iunno |
| 19:38.34 | Vlad| | don't know |
| 19:38.42 | Vlad| | why does kara need to be a scenario? |
| 19:38.58 | Semlar | so they can recycle it |
| 19:39.43 | karl_w_w | maybe i dreamt it all |
| 19:40.06 | karl_w_w | or it was a thread on mmo-c or something |
| 19:40.22 | karl_w_w | who knows |
| 19:40.33 | karl_w_w | wanders off into senility |
| 19:40.39 | Vlad| | there is only zuul |
| 19:41.08 | TC-work | karl_w_w: Oh please, like you were not already there. |
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| 19:47.27 | karl_w_w | TC-work you're confusing senility with your mother's bed! oh zing |
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| 20:04.44 | Vlad| | my bear pulled off more dps than the hunter :'< |
| 20:07.37 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 20:07.45 | Fisker | no haste :( |
| 20:07.50 | haste | yes Fisker |
| 20:08.05 | mikma | assmaster 2013 |
| 20:08.41 | Fisker | so mad mikma |
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| 20:09.44 | mikma | fisker: y u so mad |
| 20:09.53 | Fisker | nomad |
| 20:10.02 | mikma | ysad? |
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| 20:15.09 | Vlad| | what was the place with all the localization GlobalString files? |
| 20:15.13 | Vlad| | for all locales |
| 20:17.31 | pompy | search the mpqs! |
| 20:17.55 | Vlad| | I think I remember a git hub but can't remember the depo name :( |
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| 20:21.35 | TC-work | karl_w_w: if you are going to insult me please make it relatively intelligent. |
| 20:21.42 | TC-work | I mean, I'm not asking for much. |
| 20:22.21 | TC-work | Well....maybe from you. |
| 20:22.47 | pompy | :( |
| 20:25.39 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/fTuKt.jpg |
| 20:26.12 | Semlar | too ugly? |
| 20:27.30 | Shadowed | very much |
| 20:27.41 | Semlar | fix it |
| 20:27.45 | Shadowed | it needs a background for the text |
| 20:27.57 | Shadowed | and the item names should be left justified not center |
| 20:28.13 | Semlar | it has a background it's just colored the same as the text and really light |
| 20:28.20 | Shadowed | that's not a background :P |
| 20:28.20 | mikma | semlar: how's the map addon going |
| 20:28.30 | Semlar | >_> |
| 20:29.13 | SuperPortia|work | One other thing that would be nice for this is the iLevel of your current gear vs. the iLevel of the new gear. |
| 20:29.46 | SuperPortia|work | You can likely filter out anything that's lower or the same item and mark anything that's better than what you're currently wearing in some way to make it stand out. |
| 20:30.29 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LqbGD.jpg |
| 20:32.47 | mikma | looks like shite |
| 20:32.54 | Semlar | sigh |
| 20:44.24 | foxlit | meh, there are so many completely spurious UNIT_AURA events :/ |
| 20:45.24 | SuperPortia|work | I don't think they need individual borders, just spacing. |
| 20:46.12 | SuperPortia|work | But making it look nice can take a ton of time. I think a large chunk of add-ons look terrible. |
| 20:46.18 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/GyPv8.jpg |
| 20:46.21 | SuperPortia|work | The configuration screen for Recout |
| 20:46.28 | SuperPortia|work | Better |
| 20:46.39 | SuperPortia|work | Still the background for the whole thing helps is pop out. |
| 20:48.00 | Mr_Rabies | you could do a background for the whole frame |
| 20:48.05 | Mr_Rabies | instead of each item |
| 20:49.44 | Mr_Rabies | what addon is this Semlar? :o |
| 20:50.14 | Mr_Rabies | is it the one you were discussing yesterday with a popup for spec-specific loot for bosses? :o |
| 20:50.25 | Semlar | it shows you what drops for your class/spec from the encounter you're on |
| 20:50.51 | Semlar | i'm just making a dropdown menu so you can pick from the bosses in the instance you're in |
| 20:51.07 | Mr_Rabies | you could just show the icon and have the text be optional or something |
| 20:51.17 | Mr_Rabies | and just leave it like that :o |
| 20:53.05 | pompy | Cairenn: http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/424876_10151249820507870_337965241_n.jpg |
| 20:53.11 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 20:54.27 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/549573_10151249255972870_1728665250_n.jpg |
| 20:55.25 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 20:59.19 | Lopeppeppy | Knock it down a heating vent so it wakes up the humans at 3am, clearly. |
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| 21:06.30 | Adys | Van Rossum was a software engineer at Google since 2005, and should be a huge help as Dropbox is built on Python. |
| 21:06.46 | Adys | what would have been funnier: |
| 21:06.59 | Adys | Van Rossum was a software engineer at Google since 2005, but won't be much use as Facebook is built in PHP. |
| 21:07.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/rBBGj.jpg |
| 21:07.29 | Fisker | php best programming language eu |
| 21:07.44 | Dagmar | Adys |
| 21:07.51 | Dagmar | Adys: Looks like a perfectly legit edit to me |
| 21:08.07 | Semlar | you think the items look alright |
| 21:08.25 | Adys | Dagmar: I just find it to be in one of those "as opposed to what, exactly?" situations |
| 21:08.56 | Adys | you don't hire the creator of Python to clean your toilets |
| 21:13.26 | foxlit | Semlar the kerning is all wrong :( |
| 21:13.35 | Semlar | YOUR KERNING IS ALL WRONG |
| 21:13.37 | foxlit | H e artboiler |
| 21:14.05 | Semlar | well that's the font is there some way to change that |
| 21:14.27 | Semlar | i mean other than changing the font path |
| 21:14.50 | foxlit | split it into a billion pieces and kern them yourself. |
| 21:15.15 | Semlar | is there a list of in game fonts |
| 21:15.34 | nevcairiel | the game only has like 4 fonts |
| 21:16.09 | Semlar | i know frizqt and arial narrow |
| 21:16.47 | Semlar | morpheus and skurri |
| 21:16.50 | nevcairiel | check Fonts.xml |
| 21:18.39 | Semlar | okay frizqt and arialn are pretty much the only readable ones |
| 21:21.06 | Semlar | do i really want to import my own font for this.. |
| 21:21.14 | foxlit | no. |
| 21:21.14 | Adys | no |
| 21:21.20 | Semlar | no |
| 21:21.42 | nevcairiel | yes! |
| 21:21.42 | Semlar | alright you're going to have to live with the kerning |
| 21:22.01 | foxlit | While you're avoiding creating custom stuff, you should also dump your custom background/border combination. |
| 21:22.04 | nevcairiel | a slightly different font size may get the font scaler to do something different |
| 21:22.24 | Semlar | i didn't use a texture to make that background and border |
| 21:22.32 | mikma | http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=111450196&searchtext=larry |
| 21:22.37 | Jamash | I'm throwing out can someone explain to me why blizzard can't hotfix tooltips? |
| 21:22.37 | foxlit | The point is, nothing in the default UI looks like that. |
| 21:22.51 | Jamash | s/I'm throwing out // |
| 21:23.13 | nevcairiel | Jamash: the text is probably stored in the client and hotfix is server side? :) |
| 21:23.23 | Dagmar | Good try but I'm not pulling up anything related to LSL at work. |
| 21:23.27 | Adys | Jamash: they're spells |
| 21:23.32 | Adys | spells are not hotfixable |
| 21:23.49 | Adys | items themselves are, but spells are not |
| 21:23.53 | Jamash | they have caches for creatures, game objects, item text, npcs, page text and quest text |
| 21:23.56 | Jamash | why not a spell cache |
| 21:24.07 | foxlit | time and money. |
| 21:24.10 | nevcairiel | they hotfix spells all the time, the client just doesnt get new info for the tooltip |
| 21:24.15 | Jamash | I know |
| 21:24.21 | Adys | history and reasons |
| 21:24.32 | Jamash | I'm not so much asking "why can't they do it" as much as I'm asking "why don't they fix it so they can do it" |
| 21:24.32 | nevcairiel | so "spells are not hotfixable" just sounds wrong =p |
| 21:24.34 | Adys | spells are not streamable the way items are |
| 21:24.52 | Adys | a lot of spell data has to be readily available |
| 21:25.01 | Adys | since they're used for all kinds of shit |
| 21:25.20 | Jamash | hell, I could probably write an addon that would take a hotfix table and patch tooltips on the fly |
| 21:25.42 | foxlit | why haven't you done so yet? :) |
| 21:25.49 | Adys | they *could* move them to their new file type (dbas) |
| 21:25.50 | Jamash | I'm not being paid to |
| 21:25.59 | Adys | but they haven't because see what foxlit said |
| 21:26.01 | Adys | time and money |
| 21:29.28 | chiel | is there an event which indicates people entering/leaving a group? or is that just GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 21:29.50 | Adys | !api leave |
| 21:29.50 | lua_bot | Found 12 possible results for 'leave': SearchLFGLeave, CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LEAVE, BNLeaveConversation, PLAYER_LEAVE_COMBAT, LeaveBattlefield, OnHyperlinkLeave, OnLeave, LeaveLFG, LeaveChannelByName, LeaveParty, GuildLeave, ArenaTeamLeave |
| 21:29.58 | Adys | !api join |
| 21:29.58 | lua_bot | Found 15 possible matches for 'join'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 21:30.13 | Adys | !api GROUP_ |
| 21:30.13 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GROUP_': ACTIVE_TALENT_GROUP_CHANGED, GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 21:30.21 | Adys | you have your answer |
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| 21:30.34 | chiel | yeah i looked through the api, all i could find was GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 21:31.14 | Semlar | sounds about right |
| 21:31.36 | chiel | fair enough, wasn't sure if that was for leaving/joining as well |
| 21:31.58 | Semlar | i think it fires whenever the group members change |
| 21:36.52 | chiel | cool, works a charm :) |
| 21:38.07 | chiel | still weird though, when I am in a raid group the frames spawn kinda messed up |
| 21:38.11 | chiel | and I can't seem to figure out why |
| 21:38.20 | chiel | if i jumble people around a bit it works fine |
| 21:46.51 | Fisker | poisons haste |
| 21:47.20 | haste | is immune. |
| 21:47.28 | Semlar | it's not very effective.. |
| 21:47.35 | Fisker | poisoned haste |
| 21:47.58 | Semlar | against all odds |
| 21:48.12 | SuperPortia|work | It works? |
| 21:48.14 | haste | takes 0 poison damage. |
| 21:48.46 | SuperPortia|work | doodles incoherently |
| 21:49.35 | SuperPortia|work | freeze, deep freeze, ice lance, ice lance, ice lance... and that basically drops your shield, but you still have a full health bar. * sigh * |
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| 21:51.13 | Semlar | well i managed to make it look even less like it belongs in the interface |
| 21:51.35 | Semlar | i should just stop |
| 21:51.45 | Vlad| | just stop Semlar |
| 21:52.50 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/EZauo.jpg |
| 21:53.01 | Vlad| | ^ |
| 21:53.10 | Semlar | YOU CAN'T STOP ME |
| 21:53.40 | Vlad| | how did you figure out detecting boss kills? |
| 21:54.04 | Semlar | by.. giving up on that |
| 21:54.19 | Vlad| | :D |
| 21:54.25 | Vlad| | it's quite messy, I agree |
| 21:54.39 | Semlar | it's just going to have a dropdown menu for all the bosses in the instance |
| 21:54.53 | Semlar | and automatically selects the one you were last on |
| 21:55.03 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 21:55.07 | pompy | !api CHAT_MSG_RAID_BOSS_EMOTE |
| 21:55.08 | lua_bot | CHAT_MSG_RAID_BOSS_EMOTE: Fires when a raid boss performs emote text (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_RAID_BOSS_EMOTE) |
| 21:56.17 | Vlad| | I like how this poll is phrased "Should circumcision be the person's own choice?" |
| 21:56.30 | Vlad| | sounds rather... not sure what to call it :P |
| 21:56.36 | Vlad| | might as well not have a question hehe |
| 21:58.35 | Vlad| | I like how people try to find reasons for circumcision, kind of pointless when you already are circumcised, sounds more like trying to make yourself feel better that you are :P |
| 21:59.04 | Vlad| | like "hey not having an arm is awesome, you can fit into narrow places that you usually can't with an arm" |
| 21:59.14 | Vlad| | out of proportions example, but yeah :P |
| 22:00.24 | Vlad| | personally I dislike the idea of parents deciding for their baby children, such things that can't be reversed :) |
| 22:00.29 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck do i break sudo by uncommenting one default line in the config |
| 22:00.40 | Vlad| | Arrowmaster sudo? |
| 22:00.42 | Vlad| | break it? |
| 22:00.46 | Vlad| | type "quit" |
| 22:00.53 | Arrowmaster | yeah i broke the config so i cant use it |
| 22:00.58 | Vlad| | lol :D oh man |
| 22:01.05 | Vlad| | no restore command available? |
| 22:01.19 | nevcairiel | just login as root directly and fix it :p |
| 22:01.37 | Arrowmaster | dont have a password set for root...... |
| 22:01.59 | nevcairiel | sucks to be you |
| 22:02.13 | nevcairiel | i usually disable password login but put my ssh key in there |
| 22:02.34 | Vlad| | doesn't root need a password in unix? |
| 22:02.46 | haste | nop |
| 22:02.48 | nevcairiel | no password = no login |
| 22:02.53 | Arrowmaster | no if you leave it blank it basically disables all access to root |
| 22:02.54 | nevcairiel | its not like no passowrd = everyone login |
| 22:04.20 | Arrowmaster | fuck it, ill reboot and fix it now i guess |
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| 22:27.45 | foxlit | the chess event is baffling :/ |
| 22:33.32 | Mr_Rabies | 40 min lfr queue, then on last boss :< |
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| 22:36.36 | Vlad| | foxlit: you are soloing Karazhan? :D |
| 22:36.43 | Vlad| | ah I remember doing the chess event solo back in tbc :D |
| 22:36.55 | Vlad| | funny how the difficulty is still the same, hehe |
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| 22:37.32 | Unkle | Station |
| 22:37.32 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.46 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.17 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.57 | Semlar | set it as the selected quest? |
| 22:38.59 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.49 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.07 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.28 | foxlit | it takes no arguments. |
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| 22:40.37 | Semlar | i mean.. select the quest in the frame first |
| 22:40.54 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.12 | Semlar | the button just calls SetAbandonQuest() and abandons whatever quest is selected in the list |
| 22:41.42 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.44 | tabletennis | SetAbandonQuest(questIndex) |
| 22:41.44 | tabletennis | Arguments: |
| 22:41.44 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.21 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.36 | Semlar | SelectQuestLogEntry(questIndex) SetAbandonQuest() |
| 22:42.59 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.10 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.29 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.50 | Semlar | it doesn't appear to actually do anything |
| 22:44.09 | Semlar | i think the dialog is what actually calls the abandon function |
| 22:44.39 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.43 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.47 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.59 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.08 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.13 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.19 | Semlar | oh you call AbandonQuest() afterwards |
| 22:45.34 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.36 | Semlar | but it looks like you know what you're doing now |
| 22:45.53 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.03 | Vlad| | for hours ^^ |
| 22:46.05 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.10 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.13 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.31 | Kaylin | no thats not how IRC worksd |
| 22:46.35 | tabletennis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.44 | Semlar | you can check the framexml to see what the game is doing https://github.com/Ketho/wow-ui-source/blob/ptr/FrameXML/QuestLogFrame.xml |
| 22:47.00 | Kaylin | you gotta go in and be like hey guys I have this question in lua and can anyone do my homework for me kthx I'm trying to write this addon that bots for me halp. |
| 22:47.13 | Semlar | kaylin i have a question |
| 22:47.31 | Semlar | can i ask you a question? |
| 22:47.39 | Kaylin | no, I got it from the first line. |
| 22:47.42 | Semlar | oh |
| 22:47.49 | Kaylin | <3 gmta |
| 22:47.54 | Semlar | nevermind i figured it out |
| 22:48.03 | Semlar | wait it still doesn't work |
| 22:48.13 | Kaylin | thanks for not posting the solution here and cluttering the channel. |
| 22:48.34 | Semlar | ^_^ |
| 22:49.30 | Kaylin | the real question is, where are my half naked toned man slaves to do dishes for me and cover their bodies with soapy water. |
| 22:49.57 | Unkle | Not glistening oil? And you want hard bodies, right? |
| 22:50.22 | Semlar | i think she wants the channel to strip down |
| 22:50.52 | Kaylin | yes to both. |
| 22:51.03 | Semlar | kaylin is this sexy or too far removed from the default interface http://i.imgur.com/bX2Cp.jpg |
| 22:51.42 | Kaylin | I presume this is a loot list? |
| 22:51.48 | Semlar | yeah |
| 22:52.01 | foxlit | Bag Bag Bag. |
| 22:52.03 | Semlar | it shows what you can use |
| 22:52.06 | Semlar | bag bag bag |
| 22:52.08 | foxlit | (Bag!) |
| 22:52.15 | Vlad| | finger bang bang |
| 22:52.18 | Unkle | baggity bag, bagitty. |
| 22:52.23 | Semlar | i should probably check that those values are not the same |
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| 22:52.52 | Unkle | I love getting a connection speed upgrade that requires zero work on my part. |
| 22:53.11 | Kaylin | also idk I am prob not a good choice, I am mostly like fuck it default UI, I have to download things what? Also why can't I stay connected here or on WoW but I can download things on the LAN and play Diablo II on bnet just fine. |
| 22:53.13 | Kaylin | *boggle* |
| 22:53.15 | Vlad| | seal team six was in modern warfare (1) btw lol |
| 22:53.33 | Vlad| | they found a nuke in al-asad's palace :P |
| 22:56.28 | Semlar | the item's subtype was the same as its equip slot |
| 22:56.39 | Kaylin | yes I gathered that |
| 22:57.01 | A-KO | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/14gkj7/i_am_jeopardys_ken_jennings_my_new_book_because_i/c7cuyl1 |
| 23:01.43 | Vlad| | I wish to make my addon utf friendly so it works with any locale |
| 23:01.56 | Vlad| | but as far as I know the pattern matchers are primarily ascii |
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| 23:05.12 | Vlad| | on a serious note, Semlar |
| 23:05.18 | Vlad| | how would you match item name? |
| 23:05.28 | Vlad| | it can contain so much, basically anything but [] in the game |
| 23:05.30 | Vlad| | name* |
| 23:05.44 | Vlad| | how can I write a matcher pattern to match a item link for instance? |
| 23:06.12 | Vlad| | for instance "You receive %sx%d." I'd like to change the %s into something that will work and match properly on any locale :P |
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| 23:12.04 | SuperPortia|roam | Channel's aren't case sensitive on this server are they? |
| 23:14.06 | Cairenn | not to my knowledges |
| 23:14.51 | Klrth | I don't believe IRC channel names are case sensitive on any network |
| 23:15.02 | nebula169 | they aren't, but they'll be displayed in the casing the first person to join the channel used |
| 23:15.25 | Kalroth | the channel creator, yeah |
| 23:15.57 | Semlar_ | vlad: match the id in the link, use getiteminfo |
| 23:19.37 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 23:19.46 | Mr_Rabies | the /loot window seems to be causing crashes |
| 23:20.10 | Mr_Rabies | after yesterday's patch |
| 23:22.49 | Arrowmaster | free Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 stuff http://social.bioware.com/da2/dlc_bundle/ |
| 23:32.25 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
| 23:32.27 | Fisker | cease and desist |
| 23:38.10 | TC-work | Meh Fisker, free stuff is free stuff |
| 23:39.34 | Fisker | brrs all over TC-work |
| 23:40.23 | TC-work | I'm not sure how to respond to that |
| 23:41.26 | Fisker | gives TC-work a booger |
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| 23:54.43 | SuperPortia|roam | I have local MountDatabase = { } then function MountDatabase:FindActiveMount() and it's giving me a "attempt to index global (a nil value) |
| 23:55.15 | foxlit | look again. |
| 23:55.35 | TC-work | nom's Fisker |
| 23:55.43 | SuperPortia|roam | hmm? |
| 23:57.20 | SuperPortia|roam | Any suggestions? |
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