| 00:02.52 | Arazon | I've disected oUF, xperl, shadowed UF, etc, all of em are implemented primarily with xml lol |
| 00:03.19 | Neffi | oUF implemented in XML? |
| 00:03.23 | Neffi | Last I looked it had no XML |
| 00:03.25 | Shadowed | that is very impressive that SUF is implemented primarily with XML |
| 00:03.29 | Shadowed | when it doesn't even have a XML file |
| 00:04.06 | Shadowed | Well I guess the libraries do technically, but that doesn't really count |
| 00:04.07 | Semlar_ | >_> |
| 00:04.23 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:04.38 | Neffi | Hey, (s)he still seems to be learning |
| 00:04.39 | Arazon | I'm sorry, ag_UnitFrames :-( I'm sorry Shadowed |
| 00:04.49 | Shadowed | reading UF code is a really bad idea though |
| 00:04.54 | Arazon | I think I looked at yours but it confused the hell outta me |
| 00:04.57 | Shadowed | yea |
| 00:05.01 | Neffi | lol |
| 00:05.08 | Arazon | Boy do I feel sheepish |
| 00:05.23 | Shadowed | odds are if you read any UF, you'll be more confused than anything |
| 00:05.24 | Neffi | It might be a good idea to look at a really single-purpose UF addon |
| 00:05.27 | Neffi | None come to mind |
| 00:05.44 | Neffi | A lot of UF addons separate unit and frame logic |
| 00:06.06 | Arazon | But I got one to work |
| 00:06.10 | Shadowed | It sounds like you would be better off looking at some very simple addons |
| 00:06.13 | Shadowed | to learn more |
| 00:06.17 | Arazon | Just need to switch up color, add a mana bar and ill be good |
| 00:06.17 | Shadowed | rather than looking at UFs |
| 00:07.30 | Shadowed | also Neffi, it is possible for self to be nil in a script handler, but the only time it would come up is a very very hackish addon |
| 00:07.34 | Arazon | Well I found what helped me the most was simply hacking and slashing at trying to implement a status bar |
| 00:07.39 | Shadowed | always a good plan |
| 00:08.04 | Neffi | Give me an example? |
| 00:08.14 | Shadowed | LibQuickHealth |
| 00:08.19 | Shadowed | defunct now, but that's an easy one |
| 00:09.07 | Shadowed | it's very very unlikely to come up because it would mean someone is doing something dumb, but it can technically happen |
| 00:09.16 | Neffi | On a :SetScript? |
| 00:09.19 | Neffi | I don't see how |
| 00:09.26 | Shadowed | You can manually call script handlers |
| 00:09.31 | Neffi | Unless :GetScript('OnEvent')(...) is happening |
| 00:09.39 | Neffi | which she obviously wasn't doing |
| 00:09.44 | Shadowed | which is where a hackish addon comes into play |
| 00:09.51 | Neffi | s/she/(s)he/ |
| 00:10.10 | Shadowed | They might not be doing it, another addon might be |
| 00:10.18 | Shadowed | Find all frames that register X event, manually call Y |
| 00:10.45 | Neffi | If an addon is touching my frame in a hackish way, and not even managing to pass `self` properly, I'd uninstall said addon and never trust its author again |
| 00:10.54 | Shadowed | well yes |
| 00:12.10 | Semlar_ | touches neffi's frame |
| 00:13.09 | Neffi | release 4 tons of neutronium in Semlar_'s general direction. |
| 00:33.41 | Jammer | is it possible to display nameplate just for your target? |
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| 00:43.55 | Sintacks | yay. i got my mage stuck .... |
| 00:45.55 | Neffi | Jammer: With a bit of hacking it is |
| 00:46.50 | Neffi | You can figure out which nameplate is your target by scanning all their opacities. If you've got 1 nameplate fully opaque and the rest semi-transparent, then the opaque one is your target. Hide the elements on all other nameplates. |
| 00:47.07 | Neffi | You'll have to enable overlapping nameplates so your targets nameplate doesn't move all over the screen |
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| 00:48.49 | Mr_Rabies | how do you display the name of the non-targets then :| |
| 00:49.57 | Jammer | well was mostly thinking for healing |
| 00:50.03 | Jammer | for quickly seeing where the target is located |
| 00:50.20 | Jammer | don't really have to see anyone else |
| 00:51.29 | Neffi | i'm sure you can get a nameplate addon that clearly emphasizes your target |
| 00:51.51 | Jammer | yeah I guess :) |
| 00:51.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, tidyplates can do that |
| 00:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | mess around with tidyplates and i'm sure you'll find something you like |
| 00:53.12 | Mr_Rabies | you can even have tidyplates set sizes based on the target's health |
| 00:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | (or if they're your target, etc) |
| 00:55.40 | Mr_Rabies | and if not, if you can write addons you can most likely make a module that'll do what you want :o |
| 01:28.18 | Semlar | hm |
| 01:28.46 | Semlar | you don't appear to be able to override the purple color that they've set the tapped mob nameplates to |
| 01:29.05 | Semlar | calling SetStatusBarColor doesn't work |
| 01:29.27 | Semlar | neither does healthBar:GetStatusBarTexture():SetVertexColor() |
| 01:29.58 | Semlar | i have no idea what they did because they didn't change the texture |
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| 01:45.22 | Neffi | holy shit god must be real |
| 01:45.40 | Neffi | because a massive bag full of assorted candy appeared on my kitchen table today |
| 01:48.00 | Corrodias | (they sell those at stores) |
| 01:48.02 | TC-work | Yes, god is real because you got candy |
| 01:48.26 | Corrodias | did you know you can buy entire buckets of candy? they don't even do a background check or anything. being an adult is kind of cool. |
| 01:49.57 | Neffi | Well there's no explanation or reason for the candy's existence or locality on my table |
| 01:50.08 | Neffi | but it just happened to be there when i wanted candy |
| 01:50.09 | Neffi | and lots of it |
| 01:50.12 | Neffi | God must be real |
| 01:50.47 | Neffi | That or it belonged to somebody else who lives here and my eating it wasn't supposed to happen |
| 01:50.56 | Neffi | but my desk is now full of various kinds of candies and wrappers |
| 01:51.34 | Semlar | how do you know it wasn't the candy fairy |
| 01:51.47 | Neffi | did you know there's a Reese's candy with nouget? |
| 01:51.50 | Neffi | holy damn |
| 01:52.20 | Semlar | did i mention blizzard made some sort of magic status bar you can't change the color of |
| 01:52.47 | Semlar | as long as it's not the tapped color, you can change it |
| 01:53.01 | Semlar | i can only assume they are constantly setting the color |
| 01:53.14 | Neffi | they're probably doing an OnUpdate-type thing from C-side to change it |
| 01:53.23 | Neffi | i've seen other strange behavior stemming from nowhere in Lua |
| 01:54.24 | Semlar | i'm almost positive they're just resetting the status bar's color onupdate |
| 01:54.40 | Neffi | that's what i meant |
| 01:54.41 | Semlar | :| |
| 01:54.46 | Neffi | you should petition to change that |
| 01:54.54 | Neffi | or just overlay your own status bar and hide the old one |
| 01:55.03 | Semlar | yeah i just made a new bar |
| 01:55.16 | Neffi | so much easier to just do things yourslef sometimes |
| 01:55.33 | Semlar | the only problem with that is it's probably not really going to work with anything else |
| 01:58.54 | Semlar | i even tried just killing SetStatusBarColor and SetVertexColor on the texture and it doesn't stop it so it's all handled outside the api |
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| 02:01.12 | Semlar | healthBar:SetScript('OnUpdate', function(self) self:SetStatusBarColor(1,0,0) end) |
| 02:01.14 | Semlar | lol, that did it |
| 02:01.32 | Semlar | problem solved forever |
| 02:01.48 | Ackis | I hate you all for saying hackish over and over |
| 02:02.02 | Semlar | poor ackis |
| 02:02.13 | kd3 | ~smackis |
| 02:02.13 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 02:02.14 | Semlar | ackis ackis ackis |
| 02:02.46 | Portia | ackis? |
| 02:04.04 | Neffi | Hackis |
| 02:09.09 | Ackis | you twats |
| 02:09.55 | Kaylin | sadly, no :( |
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| 02:16.57 | TC-work | Ackis: get a better regex ping? |
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| 02:20.52 | Semlar | it's definitely being recolored onupdate |
| 02:21.35 | Semlar | on the other hand it appears to be colored before it gets to my addon so it has the last laugh |
| 02:23.06 | Neffi | :SetScript('OnUpdate',function() DoEmote('Laugh') end); |
| 02:23.13 | Semlar | PLAYSOUNDFILE |
| 02:23.19 | Semlar | oh wait |
| 02:23.25 | Semlar | that might not be such a good idea |
| 02:24.09 | Neffi | then you can't annoy other people too |
| 02:24.57 | kurapica | HealthBar_OnValueChanged defined in FrameXML\HealthBar.lua change the StatusBarColor. You can hook it or just healthBar:SetScript("OnValueChanged", nil) |
| 02:25.41 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/ycpYXTz8 |
| 02:25.49 | Neffi | i dont think nameplates use anything from framexml, keurpica |
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| 02:26.59 | Semlar | i have no idea why but it doesn't work if i don't hide/show the frame |
| 02:28.46 | Semlar | this is a horrible fix |
| 02:29.22 | Semlar | making a new bar would be more efficient but less awesome |
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| 02:59.13 | nebula169 | doing hide/show on frames fixes all sorts of weirdness for some reason |
| 02:59.41 | Semlar | i'm attributing it to the same reason turning things off and on again fixes them |
| 03:00.00 | nebula169 | need to alias it to :Reboot() |
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| 03:10.19 | kd3 | oh wow. jaina's got a new model |
| 03:16.42 | kurapica | Test something, the nameplate's health bar can :SetStatusBarTexture(nil) to make it not show, and watch it's OnMinMaxChanged , OnValueChanged events, can use these to create a new bar. |
| 03:17.04 | Semlar | i tried that, it works |
| 03:18.02 | Semlar | although i don't think there's any way to detect when the color has changed without doing onupdate anyway |
| 03:19.01 | Semlar | since it does all the coloring C side |
| 03:19.05 | kurapica | ye, there is no default OnValueChanged for it |
| 03:20.13 | Semlar | onvaluechanged is for when the status bar's value is set |
| 03:20.46 | kurapica | or change |
| 03:20.57 | Semlar | but you need to detect when the color changes |
| 03:21.00 | kurapica | UnitFrame's health bar use that |
| 03:21.22 | kurapica | no script handler for it， only OnUpdate can |
| 03:21.24 | Semlar | so you can recolor the new bar |
| 03:21.32 | Semlar | right |
| 03:21.47 | kurapica | I prefer to create a new one |
| 03:22.02 | Semlar | the problem is if i'm running an onupdate script anyway to detect when the color changes i might as well just set the color of the original bar |
| 03:22.19 | Semlar | there's no benefit to making a new one |
| 03:22.31 | kurapica | ?Why change the new bar's color |
| 03:22.47 | kurapica | Or you want change the new bar's color for hp percent? |
| 03:23.14 | Semlar | the color needs to be changed to represent that the unit is tapped |
| 03:23.59 | Semlar | if someone else tapped the mob you want to be able to see their nameplate greyed out |
| 03:24.43 | kurapica | well, that would be a problem, nameplate's unit is not like the origin, tapped need be checked only when target or mousover, but always can be done without Onupdate |
| 03:27.39 | kd3 | hah. in the phased version of dalaran we can't jump off the violet citadel into the city proper |
| 03:33.13 | Arazon | Sorry random question, here is a cropped screenshot, detailing what happens when I try to set an edge file for my frame- any idea why it does this? my width is divisable by 8. http://imgur.com/RfC1u |
| 03:33.53 | Semlar | what do you have |
| 03:34.18 | Arazon | an unfinished unit fram set to detect UNIT_HEALTH events |
| 03:34.27 | Arazon | status bar, to be precise |
| 03:34.36 | Semlar | i mean what does your SetBackdrop look like |
| 03:35.11 | Arazon | http://pastebin.com/csAB2fWC all code |
| 03:35.15 | Arazon | not many lines |
| 03:35.16 | Neffi | looks like a bad edgefile |
| 03:35.32 | Arazon | Does the same with a dialog frame edge |
| 03:35.49 | Arazon | Has this ever happened? |
| 03:35.53 | Arazon | To anyone? |
| 03:35.59 | kurapica | bgFile \ => \\ |
| 03:36.04 | Arazon | Or do random unexplainable things only happen to new guys |
| 03:36.25 | Semlar | no, it pretty much happens to everyone |
| 03:36.39 | Semlar | try adding tile = true, tileSize =32 |
| 03:38.30 | Semlar | to the backdrop table |
| 03:39.30 | kurapica | and why use ChatFrame1:AddMessage, you can just use 'print' for short. |
| 03:40.01 | Arazon | Lol now it looks really weird- what did I just do? http://imgur.com/QndJk |
| 03:40.02 | Neffi | ---- too much candy |
| 03:40.31 | Stanzilla | why does my phone refuse to sync facebook contacts :< |
| 03:40.42 | Semlar | uh, try using "Interface\\DialogFrame\\UI-DialogBox-Gold-Border" for the border and see if it does the same thing |
| 03:42.30 | Arazon | that works, strangely enough |
| 03:42.52 | Semlar | sounds like a bad image |
| 03:43.02 | Arazon | >.> |
| 03:43.04 | Semlar | and i have no idea what the requirements are for that |
| 03:43.09 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: android? |
| 03:43.15 | Semlar | it should look something like this http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Interface/DialogFrame/UI-DialogBox-Gold-Border.png |
| 03:43.16 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 03:43.25 | Arrowmaster | Stanzilla: because facebook wont use the correct api |
| 03:43.46 | Stanzilla | Arrowmaster: that's what google told me, too. the thing is, it used to work until a few days ago |
| 03:43.47 | Stanzilla | :/ |
| 03:43.49 | Semlar | although if you just want a black border this could be simplified |
| 03:45.58 | Semlar | it looks like edgeFile and edgeSize are the only things that have any impact on the border |
| 03:47.19 | Arazon | Will it angle itself to meet the texture of the statusbar texture? |
| 03:47.27 | Arazon | er border of the texture |
| 03:47.36 | Arazon | notice how its sheared off at the end |
| 03:48.13 | Neffi | -huh? |
| 03:48.36 | Neffi | it won't do anything special whatsoever |
| 03:48.47 | Neffi | it takes the edgefile, and crops out the relevant regions for the corners and sides |
| 03:48.50 | Arazon | The texture I set for the status bar is a thin rectangle that looks like it has been cut at a diagonal on the right side. |
| 03:48.55 | Neffi | you control what it does with edgesize |
| 03:49.03 | Neffi | edgeSize* |
| 03:49.14 | Neffi | no, it wont angle itself |
| 03:49.38 | Semlar | all it does is split the texture file into like 8 parts and places them at certain points around the edge |
| 03:49.47 | Arazon | ah |
| 03:51.30 | Arazon | so how would I go about creating an edge/border for an irregular shaped texture? |
| 03:51.36 | Arazon | Or is it possible/ |
| 03:51.38 | Arazon | ? |
| 03:51.59 | Neffi | dont use :SetBackdrop |
| 03:52.09 | Semlar | yeah you'd have to make it yourself |
| 03:52.22 | Neffi | manually craft the edge using Photoshop, and stitch them together with a series of Texture objects yourself |
| 03:56.25 | Arazon | ok |
| 04:05.13 | Adys | http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromium/chromium.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ae5695ec0aa9cf7b4a612bbb516c9e2ee4feaec |
| 04:05.14 | Adys | thank god |
| 04:06.05 | Arazon | Congratz |
| 04:11.37 | Stanzilla | Adys: wtb win64 builds |
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| 04:20.57 | Arazon | Is it possible to create a child texture of a status bar, and have it inherit a file? |
| 04:22.50 | Neffi | local t = statusbar:CreateTexture(nil,'OVERLAY') |
| 04:22.55 | Neffi | t:SetTexture(file) |
| 04:23.08 | Neffi | t:SetTexture(statusbar:GetTexture()) to be the same |
| 04:24.37 | Semlar | i actually did that like 30 minutes ago trying to get nameplates to behave |
| 04:24.54 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21967-tapfix.html muahaha |
| 04:25.36 | Arazon | awesome |
| 04:26.20 | Semlar | i went with another method because it wasn't any more efficient |
| 04:27.42 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/QnV3U.jpg |
| 04:28.12 | End_ | it's you |
| 04:28.17 | End_ | you're the mushroom |
| 04:28.21 | Semlar | >_> |
| 04:28.25 | End_ | ;-p |
| 04:28.34 | Semlar | you got me |
| 04:30.37 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21830-Foglight.htm look how sexy that map is |
| 04:31.16 | Semlar | way sexier than the regular one |
| 04:33.17 | Arazon | Question: Will the texture created be the same shape as the texture in the file? |
| 04:33.31 | Semlar | it's going to be a rectangle |
| 04:33.37 | Arazon | :-( |
| 04:33.53 | Semlar | but so is the image |
| 04:34.10 | Arazon | I understand that when you set the statusbar texture, it retains its shape |
| 04:35.45 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44073 |
| 04:36.37 | Semlar | is this what you're trying to do |
| 04:36.46 | Arazon | Not really |
| 04:37.05 | Semlar | then i have no idea what you're talking about when you say shape |
| 04:37.17 | Semlar | images are rectangles |
| 04:37.35 | Arazon | I cant create a border for my status bar texture. So I want to create a background slightly larger than my statusbar texture and send it all the way to the back layer so the only parts that can be seen are the bits sticking out from the edges |
| 04:38.29 | Semlar | you can either split it into 4 images and attach them to the top left right and bottom or just make a texture behind the frame and set it to your texture |
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| 04:39.48 | Neffi | or set it to drawlayer BACKGROUND |
| 04:39.55 | Arazon | http://imgur.com/Fu2Ov |
| 04:39.57 | Neffi | eg when making :CreateTexture(nil,'BACKGROUND') |
| 04:39.57 | Semlar | just texture = frame:CreateTexture(nil, 'BACKGROUND') texture:SetPoint('TOPLEFT', -50, 50) texture:SetPoint('BOTTOMRIGHT', 50, -50) or something |
| 04:40.02 | Neffi | or after, :SetDrawLayer'BACKGROUND' |
| 04:40.26 | Arazon | But the texture im producing currently is still a rectangle |
| 04:40.30 | Neffi | fuck, new horror story episode |
| 04:40.33 | Arazon | even though Im getting it from the exact same file |
| 04:41.31 | Semlar | i'm going to need to see the image |
| 04:41.55 | Neffi | Arazon: The texture stretches to the size of the object |
| 04:42.01 | Neffi | just change :SetHeight,SetWidth() |
| 04:42.08 | Arazon | if you go to the link i posted, it has the texture (which is the dark part) and the background (white part) |
| 04:42.12 | Neffi | if you want to change the metrics, use :SetTexCoord(...) |
| 04:42.19 | kd3 | ah, hell... |
| 04:42.27 | kd3 | http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/05/15706380-syria-loads-chemical-weapons-into-bombs-military-awaits-assads-order |
| 04:43.25 | Semlar | but i don't know what it's supposed to look like |
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| 04:46.39 | Arazon | Its supposed to mirror the shape of the status bar texture |
| 04:46.51 | Arazon | which looks like |
| 04:47.04 | Arazon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.17 | Arazon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.24 | Arazon | --------- |
| 04:47.25 | Semlar | okay |
| 04:47.32 | Arazon | bah |
| 04:47.37 | Arazon | my ascii art skills are dead |
| 04:47.48 | Semlar | i get it |
| 04:48.40 | Semlar | are you using the same texture for both? |
| 04:48.44 | Arazon | yes |
| 04:51.19 | Neffi | t:SetPoint('CENTER') |
| 04:51.23 | Neffi | then make it slightly larger |
| 04:51.30 | Neffi | adjust anchor as necessary |
| 04:59.58 | Mr_Rabies | i swear every time i go "eh i'll just fly there manually instead of a flight path |
| 05:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | " |
| 05:00.12 | Mr_Rabies | i end up dying from fatigue unrecoverably |
| 05:00.24 | End_ | I had a feeling that was going to be the second half |
| 05:01.14 | Mr_Rabies | and with the ghost run speed nerf it's even worse |
| 05:02.24 | Arazon | Neffi, it's simply a small square o.O |
| 05:02.33 | Neffi | wut |
| 05:03.18 | Mr_Rabies | well that certainly is a 200g repair bill |
| 05:04.26 | Mr_Rabies | spent about 400g on repairs tonight, lol |
| 05:04.55 | Arazon | http://imgur.com/G6rc5 |
| 05:05.03 | Arazon | http://pastebin.com/uWtumBJA |
| 05:05.17 | Arazon | let me stretch it out |
| 05:06.07 | Arazon | Yeah even when stretched out it doesnt have the angle on the end |
| 05:06.12 | Arazon | hrmm |
| 05:06.28 | Neffi | you need to make a texture with the angle |
| 05:06.34 | Neffi | why not just use the original texture? |
| 05:06.47 | Neffi | make a white one. use :SetVertexColor to darken the foreground |
| 05:08.20 | Arazon | That's what Im trying to do lol, creating a texture with the exact same file |
| 05:08.48 | Arazon | lines 21-25 or so |
| 05:08.57 | Arazon | 20-25 |
| 05:09.32 | Arazon | What's going on behind the scenes when I try to create the new texture? |
| 05:09.56 | Semlar | arazon: http://pastebin.com/J2rGV7zJ |
| 05:10.10 | Semlar | i wrote you an example |
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| 05:11.57 | Arazon | ah create a new frame, hadnt thought of that |
| 05:12.12 | Arazon | thank you sir I will try this immediately |
| 05:13.21 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/SK4XR.jpg this is what it should look like |
| 05:17.13 | Semlar | if you need to use a crazy texture for the fill you can just make your own texture and use SetTexCoord and change the texture's width to adjust for the value instead of using a statusbar |
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| 05:23.44 | Arazon | I think that worked |
| 05:24.00 | Arazon | Gonna mes with layers/levels a bit more |
| 05:24.10 | Arazon | but its really close! |
| 05:37.07 | Shirik | anyone here good with lisp? Why can't I do the following? |
| 05:37.11 | Shirik | (defun foo () foo) |
| 05:37.33 | Semlar | trying to take the fun out of programming are you |
| 05:38.02 | Shirik | I want an expression in lisp where I can put an infinite number of parentheses before and after |
| 05:38.09 | Shirik | I assumed the above would work |
| 05:38.13 | Shirik | a function that returns itself |
| 05:38.15 | Shirik | it didn't |
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| 05:44.07 | jassson | Hi everyone! |
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| 05:44.26 | jassson | Didn't think I would have to work this much just for a scroll... sigh |
| 05:44.39 | jassson | anyone here kind enough to send a sroll of res my way ? |
| 05:47.24 | Arazon | Well hello there |
| 05:47.34 | jassson | hey arazon |
| 05:47.41 | jassson | lol first person to talk in 6 channels =) |
| 05:48.53 | jassson | arazon can u send me a scroll of ressurection ? |
| 05:49.17 | Arazon | Im not sure I understand |
| 05:49.29 | Arazon | Oh wait scroll of ressurecton I gotcha |
| 05:49.32 | Guest40165 | I can jassson |
| 05:49.48 | Arazon | email? |
| 05:49.59 | jassson | check pm |
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| 05:56.40 | kd3 | o_O; extendo-shark: http://i.imgur.com/9gTQU.gif |
| 05:58.52 | Semlar | goblin shark |
| 06:02.19 | karl_w_w | why don't resto druids ever get nerfed? |
| 06:02.49 | karl_w_w | in pvp i mean |
| 06:03.40 | Neffi | A lot of the nerfs don't happen until the end of the season |
| 06:03.50 | Neffi | the devs have something against changing the playing field mid-season |
| 06:04.28 | Neffi | but i seriously hope they do it in a way that doesnt hurt ferals, because we're exactly where we need to be, and they already want to nerf our self-heals because spriests are too strong |
| 06:06.54 | Neffi | but seriously, restos are a pain |
| 06:07.03 | Neffi | i dread any team that has an rdruid on it |
| 06:13.01 | Mr_Rabies | i wish they'd only balance for rbgs, personally |
| 06:13.11 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that arenas are still a thing |
| 06:13.45 | nevcairiel | as long as they dont balance for 2man or possibly even 3man |
| 06:19.12 | Neffi | they always balance for 3man |
| 06:19.34 | Neffi | that's been their prime target forever |
| 06:25.49 | Mr_Rabies | they should balance for 10 man, at the least |
| 06:25.58 | Mr_Rabies | these small numbers are impossible to balance for |
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| 06:27.07 | Mr_Rabies | and it screws with pve way too much to even try |
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| 06:40.20 | kd3 | neat/horrifying at the same time: http://i.imgur.com/WfjwR.jpg |
| 06:41.36 | Mr_Rabies | not really sure how that's legal D: |
| 06:42.08 | Mr_Rabies | it is marked as a police car in the front, but it's obviously misleading |
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| 07:12.26 | Semlar | is that a jury summons in the windshield |
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| 07:15.09 | Semlar | maybe they just use the same giant red and black font |
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| 07:23.49 | Dagmar | Jesus christ I just went from 20fps to vsync at a higher resolution for LA Noire with a CPU upgrade |
| 07:23.55 | Dagmar | Just a LITTLE CPU-bound there. |
| 07:26.15 | Neffi | what was your previous CPU? |
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| 07:28.25 | Dagmar | AMD X2 4850e 2.5Ghz |
| 07:28.52 | Neffi | Athlon? |
| 07:29.02 | Neffi | I'd blame your CPU, not the game. |
| 07:29.07 | Neffi | That's not really modern at all |
| 07:29.16 | Dagmar | ...which I just replaced with a quad core A8-5600k 3.6Ghz |
| 07:29.43 | Neffi | yeah that athlon core is years old |
| 07:29.44 | Dagmar | I knew I was probably CPU bound because people were reporting 60fps with my card in LA Noire, and I wasn't seeing it |
| 07:29.53 | Neffi | and was budget even back in the day |
| 07:30.11 | Dagmar | The main reason I had it was 45w TDP |
| 07:30.21 | Dagmar | It was pretty tops when I got it |
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| 07:31.55 | Neffi | but 45W is not nearly enough to double as a space heater |
| 07:32.07 | Stanzilla | buying amd = bad |
| 07:32.25 | Dagmar | 45W is incredibly low |
| 07:32.40 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: Paying INtel for monopoly prices = stupid. |
| 07:32.46 | Neffi | 5W is lower |
| 07:32.50 | Neffi | arm 4 lyf yo |
| 07:33.09 | Neffi | Intel prices really arent that ridiculous |
| 07:33.10 | Dagmar | Lemme know when ARM starts doing eight cores |
| 07:33.19 | Neffi | the 2500k is reasonably priced and fucking fast |
| 07:33.35 | Neffi | when you've got the fastest CPU core on the market, you charge a little more than the competition |
| 07:33.46 | Dagmar | Intel's getting read to say "Fuck you guys" to all the people building their own rigs |
| 07:34.04 | Neffi | people feared that 4 years ago |
| 07:34.04 | Stanzilla | why do you think that |
| 07:34.11 | Neffi | said CPUs would no longer overclock |
| 07:34.18 | Dagmar | Because now they're saying flat out they're switching to just soldered-on chips |
| 07:34.22 | Neffi | see how well founded that fear was? |
| 07:34.24 | Stanzilla | for mobile |
| 07:34.30 | Neffi | stop trusting SemiAccurate |
| 07:34.51 | Stanzilla | couldnt care less if my notebook cpu is soldered or not |
| 07:35.00 | Neffi | soldered CPUs in notebooks make so much more sense |
| 07:35.08 | Neffi | manufacturer-wise |
| 07:35.11 | Dagmar | I barely use my notebook anymore. |
| 07:35.19 | Neffi | people want slim notebooks |
| 07:35.23 | Dagmar | The netbook and the tablet get lost in my backpack |
| 07:35.56 | Neffi | Also you can manufacture an A9 or A15 at 8-core |
| 07:36.21 | Dagmar | Yeah I gotta harangue a sales drone at NewEgg about that |
| 07:36.27 | Neffi | but it's kinda pointless to have 8 weak-ass cores unless you're going for GFLOPs-per-price/watt for a server |
| 07:36.47 | Dagmar | Someone in their ads dept has been putting ads into AdWords with prices that aren't correct, and they sent me back a form letter response |
| 07:37.59 | Dagmar | Neffi: VMs. |
| 07:38.10 | Neffi | for? |
| 07:38.17 | Dagmar | The more cores you can throw at a VM host, the better |
| 07:38.32 | Neffi | all depends on your workload |
| 07:38.51 | Dagmar | The 6-core beastie next to me has anywhere between two and five VMs on it at any given moment |
| 07:39.10 | Neffi | meh |
| 07:39.13 | Dagmar | ...hence why I hadn't upgraded the gaming desktop yet. |
| 07:39.37 | Neffi | i'd rather keep my systems unified |
| 07:39.51 | Dagmar | Mine are now. |
| 07:39.52 | Neffi | 1 rig that plays my games, watches my movies, and codes my codez |
| 07:40.02 | Dagmar | Much easier than dealing with a bunch of tower cases. |
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| 10:00.29 | zenzio | "US House Votes 397-0 To Oppose UN Control of the Internet"... I can't say I'm surprised, but bleh |
| 10:02.43 | karl_w_w | im surprised by that |
| 10:02.53 | karl_w_w | there's usually at least a couple of outliers |
| 10:04.44 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.46 | bluspacecow | herro |
| 10:18.41 | chiel | morning |
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| 10:23.04 | karl_w_w | tickles bluspacecow |
| 10:23.11 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 10:23.53 | bluspacecow | "New episode available for download - Supernatural, Season 8" |
| 10:23.54 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 10:26.00 | neutronimity | Is there a certain event fired when the raid frames are changed? Say, for example, fading for out-of-range |
| 10:30.06 | chiel | you mean the actual raid frames? |
| 10:30.17 | chiel | i think the raid frames just react to events themselves |
| 10:44.29 | Fisker | what happens if you fail bluspacecow ? |
| 10:44.36 | Fisker | karl_w_w |
| 10:44.39 | bluspacecow | i dunnolol |
| 10:44.46 | Fisker | some guy said that they sometimes vote to change the record |
| 10:44.53 | Fisker | so the dumb fucks doesn't get put on record for being dumb |
| 10:47.01 | bluspacecow | dumb fucks gotta be dumb |
| 10:51.05 | Fisker | yes bluspacecow |
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| 10:56.42 | karl_w_w | Fisker |
| 10:57.21 | bluspacecow | friskery fisker |
| 10:58.08 | Fisker | bluspacecowery bluspacecow |
| 10:58.16 | bluspacecow | herro! |
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| 12:15.13 | znf | Anyone noticed that in 5.1 they changed the way gems stack? Previously I could create 100 gems and they would all be stacked on creation. Now every new gem created goes into an unused bag slot. |
| 12:16.08 | zenzio | can you still stack them manually? |
| 12:16.39 | nebula169 | yea, they just don't autostack as you cut them |
| 12:16.48 | zenzio | interesting |
| 12:16.51 | zenzio | sounds like a bug |
| 12:17.59 | Vlad| | Semlar: nice try with your fix, but already with a custom nameplate mod and with 100 nameplates I get a fps reduction, don't wanna know how much more with each having an extra onupdate :D |
| 12:21.15 | nebula169 | depends on what the onupdate does |
| 12:22.31 | nebula169 | also, when the hell do you have a hundred nameplates shown? sounds like you're trying to break something |
| 12:25.26 | zenzio | reminds me of Anub'Rekhan when we were learning him |
| 12:25.53 | zenzio | when your monitor filled with nameplates, you knew someone had died |
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| 12:37.33 | Adys | why did nobody tell me about the BG statisticians |
| 12:37.51 | zenzio | who? |
| 12:38.02 | Adys | brawlers guild statistics |
| 12:38.08 | Adys | "Numbers" Pfeiffer for sw |
| 12:38.22 | Adys | Blat: 57-179; Snaroniak: 59-167; Mazhareen: 34-139 |
| 12:38.25 | Adys | Ixx: 363-144 |
| 12:38.34 | Adys | just rofl at that |
| 12:39.06 | nevcairiel | i dont get it |
| 12:39.17 | nevcairiel | are those names of the opponents? |
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| 12:58.10 | mikma | i'm guessing it's the win-lose stats |
| 12:59.11 | nevcairiel | that i figured |
| 12:59.14 | nevcairiel | i just dont know the names |
| 12:59.24 | nevcairiel | my primary char right now is only 88 .P |
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| 13:08.38 | chiel | :D |
| 13:08.41 | chiel | slowpoke! |
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| 13:37.13 | karl_w_w | http://www.technologyspectator.com.au/nbn-pressure-cooker anyone wanna decipher allan gardiner's comment for me? |
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| 13:57.25 | zenzio | http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/065/1/5/impin___ain__t_easy_by_spacemonkeydr-d4rxh8t.jpg |
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| 14:01.08 | alestane | buries Lopeppeppy in tribbles. |
| 14:01.40 | Lopeppeppy | The trouble with tribbles is that they dribbles. |
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| 14:29.19 | Vlad| | I shorted my machine :P |
| 14:29.30 | Vlad| | static electricity from me trough my USB (metal) into the machine lol, saw a tiny spark. |
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| 14:31.13 | Jitta | one event I'am registering to a frame returns something like "0x06800000184625A" as an argument, what is this? |
| 14:33.26 | zenzio | I am not sure you are saying. Which event are you talking about? |
| 14:33.53 | Jitta | CHAT_MSG_RAID_BOSS_WHISPER |
| 14:34.35 | Jitta | could be a GUID, couldnt it? |
| 14:34.44 | zenzio | I would guess it is |
| 14:34.56 | zenzio | wowprogramming doesn't list any parameters, but it sure looks like a GUID |
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| 14:39.00 | Fisker- | btw jnwhiteh |
| 14:39.08 | Fisker- | i heard people started getting ingress invites yesterday |
| 14:39.16 | Fisker- | i don't think i got any though since apparently it's based on activity |
| 14:39.31 | Fisker- | and down here there's absolutely nothing but a few specks of XM |
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| 14:44.06 | Vlad| | ingress invites?... |
| 14:44.15 | Vlad| | speak european :P |
| 14:44.36 | zenzio | I believe Ingress is some new project |
| 14:44.52 | zenzio | http://www.ingress.com/ |
| 14:45.08 | Vlad| | aha |
| 14:45.29 | Vlad| | and what good is it for? |
| 14:45.33 | nevcairiel | some game that encourages leaving your home, i gess |
| 14:45.37 | Vlad| | lol |
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| 14:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | Android social game, a bit like geocaching and a bit like defend the flag. |
| 14:47.05 | Vlad| | what happens if you live fucked up, like on a mountain |
| 14:47.15 | Vlad| | it says "go a kilometer this way" and it's like 30 minutes walk |
| 14:47.20 | Vlad| | because it's a long slope :P |
| 14:47.29 | Vlad| | or an hour walk hehe |
| 14:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sucks to be you. |
| 14:47.38 | Vlad| | uninstall :D |
| 14:47.55 | nevcairiel | sucks to be vlad any day |
| 14:48.02 | Vlad| | lol nevcairiel |
| 14:48.05 | Vlad| | you don't mean that |
| 14:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | You can suggest new waypoints in your area - they have to be some kind of landmark type deal, easy to find, etc. |
| 14:48.18 | nevcairiel | you have a name with a pipe in it |
| 14:48.19 | Fisker- | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:48.22 | Fisker- | where Lopeppeppy? |
| 14:48.34 | nevcairiel | i'm sure fisker could make some dirty joke about that |
| 14:48.35 | Vlad| | Vlad is busy :P |
| 14:48.40 | Fisker- | can i suggest my home as the landmark for awesome? |
| 14:48.53 | Vlad- | :P |
| 14:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno, Fisker-du. I don't have Androidness, my understanding of this "game" is incomplete. |
| 14:49.12 | Fisker- | oh ok |
| 14:49.20 | Fisker- | i was looking for something like that though |
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| 14:49.30 | Fisker- | as i heard it was making those portals around landmarks and shit |
| 14:49.35 | Fisker- | but couldn't find a place to tag it |
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| 14:49.42 | Fisker- | not like we got a lot of landmarks here :P |
| 14:50.19 | Vlad_ | Vlad- and Vlad_ are registered lol |
| 14:50.50 | Vlad| | hence why the pipe :P |
| 14:50.59 | nevcairiel | ~pipe Vlad| |
| 14:50.59 | purl | ACTION puts Vlad| in his pipe and lights Vlad| up |
| 14:51.11 | Vlad| | :D |
| 14:51.49 | Lopeppeppy | A street corner sign would probably work, Fisker. |
| 14:51.59 | Vlad| | here is a weird thing, I got a usb2 device but if I install a browser, it uses AGES to start up |
| 14:52.05 | nevcairiel | something like ingress would be fun with google glasses |
| 14:52.18 | nevcairiel | so you can really put it into augmented reality |
| 14:53.10 | Fisker- | the battery pack you would have to carry is probably less fun though :P |
| 14:53.39 | Fisker- | i wonder when we get all those multiples in battery performance we hear about multiple times every year |
| 14:54.09 | nevcairiel | its like cold fusion, everytime you ask about it, its 10 years away |
| 14:54.15 | nevcairiel | today, in 10 years, 10 years ago |
| 14:54.18 | nevcairiel | same answer! |
| 14:54.18 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 14:54.35 | bluspacecow | nev |
| 14:54.39 | bluspacecow | i like cheese |
| 14:54.48 | nevcairiel | so do i |
| 14:54.54 | nevcairiel | everyone should like cheese |
| 14:56.00 | Monolit | Does anyone have an idea how to open wind lord mel'jarak in model viewer? I can't seem to find it :/ wowhead has wrong model for it too http://www.wowhead.com/npc=62397# |
| 14:57.31 | Vlad| | well |
| 14:57.35 | Vlad| | you can setcreature :) |
| 14:58.14 | Vlad| | for example |
| 14:58.45 | Vlad| | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.01 | Vlad| | it said creature\mantid\mantid.m2 |
| 14:59.03 | Monolit | hm, never thought of that, let me give it a shot |
| 14:59.09 | Monolit | ah ye |
| 14:59.37 | Vlad| | looks accurate when I look at wowhead too |
| 15:00.19 | Vlad| | displayId entry has: 42645,4525,4195,0,4.500000,255,"mantid_black","mantidarmor_white","mantidarmor_white",,0,0,0,0,16673,0,0,0,0 |
| 15:00.48 | Monolit | so yeah the skin and armor is different from the default mantid.m2 state |
| 15:03.17 | Vlad| | note that SetCreature accounts for the displayID :P |
| 15:03.54 | Vlad| | creaturemodeldata entry: 4525,0,"CREATURE\MANTID\MANTID.M2",1,1.000000,3,5,18.000000,12.000000,1.000000,0,0,0,4151,0.611112,2.031280,-0.012838,-1.096187,-0.973142,-0.000996,0.857804,1.046590,3.089322,1.000000,1.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,1.000000,171,0.000000 |
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| 15:09.54 | Monolit | Vlad|: there seem to be no way to set the armor in model viewer |
| 15:10.14 | Vlad| | well |
| 15:10.44 | Vlad| | it is a model viewer thing, the models in wow changed over the last year, they made them a bit more dynamical |
| 15:10.54 | Vlad| | the model viewer is probably what needs to keep with the development |
| 15:11.06 | Vlad| | I know you can equip regular character models, but npcs may be a bit different |
| 15:11.12 | Vlad| | making a machinima? |
| 15:11.49 | Monolit | not exactly but need it for some pictures and video |
| 15:11.54 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 15:12.01 | Vlad| | why not use the wow engine? |
| 15:12.18 | Vlad| | not sure what kind of movie shots you need |
| 15:12.35 | Vlad| | but you can make a blackdrop or whitedrop, green screen of some sorts, then show the model over it :P |
| 15:13.04 | Monolit | well so far model viewer never failed me :) but yeah I guess I could create the model in game and a green backdrop |
| 15:13.08 | Monolit | good point |
| 15:13.19 | Vlad| | use PlayerModel widget for model container |
| 15:13.29 | Vlad| | harder but if desperate not much you can od :P |
| 15:13.30 | Vlad| | do* |
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| 15:22.29 | Vlad| | when checking bitfields we used bor right? |
| 15:22.47 | SuperPortia|work | I thought it would have been band |
| 15:22.49 | Vlad| | no wait, must be band |
| 15:23.12 | SuperPortia|work | if (bitField band bitMask) |
| 15:23.19 | Humbedooh | Vlad|: depend on what you mean by checking ;) |
| 15:24.02 | Vlad| | band must be > 0 to be "true" I take it |
| 15:24.17 | SuperPortia|work | I would assume so. |
| 15:24.48 | SuperPortia|work | I'm just basing it on the fact that it's called bor so the 'and' version is likely called band. And to check bitmasks you and. |
| 15:25.16 | SuperPortia|work | > 0 should be true I think. |
| 15:25.44 | Fisker- | oh dayaaaaaaaamn haste |
| 15:28.04 | SuperPortia|work | Is there a difference between |
| 15:28.12 | karl_w_w | fisker why is my realm down |
| 15:28.18 | SuperPortia|work | function X:Y() and function X.Y() |
| 15:28.46 | Fisker- | because your mom is a vulcan prostitute karl_w_w |
| 15:29.45 | karl_w_w | oh ok |
| 15:30.32 | nebula169 | SuperPortia|work: the : sytanx includes a local ref to X as self as the first param, . syntax does nothing different |
| 15:30.56 | karl_w_w | what's that website that organises cross realm pugs? |
| 15:31.44 | SuperPortia|work | So you can use "function X.Y()" if you want to skip the self parameter. |
| 15:33.04 | nebula169 | sure |
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| 15:33.56 | Fisker- | your human mother karl_w_w |
| 15:35.32 | karl_w_w | openraid Fisker- |
| 15:35.45 | karl_w_w | also Fisker-, you have a tail |
| 15:36.17 | SuperPortia|work | It's a hereditary tail. |
| 15:36.36 | karl_w_w | I bet you say that to all the boys |
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| 15:39.49 | karl_w_w | it was a hot summer ni-ight and the beach was burnin |
| 15:40.00 | karl_w_w | there was fog crawlin over the sand |
| 15:40.05 | Lopeppeppy | there was fog crawling over the sand |
| 15:40.08 | Lopeppeppy | awwww. |
| 15:40.46 | karl_w_w | i use that phrase all the time |
| 15:40.54 | karl_w_w | and nobody ever bursts into song |
| 15:44.56 | Lopeppeppy | On a hot summer night, would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses? |
| 15:45.25 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 15:46.10 | Monolit | Vlad|: yeah it worked, ended up making a slash command for that to save some trouble next time i need to make a picture or video |
| 15:46.18 | Vlad| | :D |
| 15:46.36 | Vlad| | what does it do? |
| 15:46.44 | Vlad| | fills screen with a background color and puts the model in the middle? |
| 15:48.17 | Monolit | exactly |
| 15:48.41 | Vlad| | remember you can angle the model |
| 15:48.45 | Vlad| | put up fog or such |
| 15:48.54 | Vlad| | add animations, a bit more complex but doable :p |
| 15:49.17 | Vlad| | you should use this template |
| 15:49.43 | Vlad| | ModelWithControlsTemplate |
| 15:49.51 | Vlad| | allows you to hover over and controls appear :P |
| 15:49.58 | Vlad| | so you can move it about without coding your own stuff |
| 15:51.08 | karl_w_w | realms coming back up, time for a shot at minfernal |
| 15:51.34 | Monolit | Vlad|: aye, i'm digging into that now :) thanks man |
| 15:52.03 | Vlad| | wonder if I can crash my realm somehow |
| 15:52.05 | Vlad| | :P |
| 15:52.17 | Vlad| | felwood in background, looking at minimap sometimes for the icons to popup hehe |
| 15:54.21 | Vlad| | the scourge whelp and minfernal to go, I think it's quite cheap to make these with so huge respawn timers on CRZ :/ |
| 15:54.34 | Vlad| | at least make them realm based or simply make the timer shorter |
| 15:55.11 | Vlad| | always 2-3 people camping the sites so chances that you get there after 6 hour respawn timer to perhaps get one, more chance just farming dungeon for mount drops :P |
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| 15:56.50 | karl_w_w | gaddam world server is down |
| 15:58.27 | Vlad| | lucky you |
| 15:58.32 | Vlad| | at least you have chance now :P |
| 15:59.16 | karl_w_w | no i dont |
| 15:59.27 | karl_w_w | practically every fucking realm came up before mine |
| 15:59.31 | Vlad| | aw :( |
| 15:59.36 | Vlad| | still better chances LOL |
| 15:59.38 | bluspacecow | omgomg forums are freaking out over the restarts |
| 15:59.51 | Vlad| | but not sure how these restarts affect the minfernal spawns |
| 15:59.54 | Vlad| | since it's on a CRZ server |
| 16:00.03 | Vlad| | not entirely sure if it is a part of the regular realm anymore |
| 16:00.23 | SuperPortia|work | I have two poor quality minfernals and I think I'm happy with that. |
| 16:00.27 | Vlad| | LOL |
| 16:00.29 | Vlad| | two |
| 16:00.37 | Vlad| | wanna trade? :P |
| 16:00.47 | SuperPortia|work | I'm still lacking the scourge whelp though |
| 16:01.00 | SuperPortia|work | I'm missing a couple of the weather effects ones. |
| 16:01.22 | chiel | minfernal? |
| 16:01.25 | SuperPortia|work | I'm a baby ape away from eastern kingdoms safari |
| 16:01.28 | chiel | what's a minfernal |
| 16:01.48 | SuperPortia|work | And a qiraji thingy away from kalimdor safari, but that'll have to way till summer. |
| 16:02.22 | SuperPortia|work | I've got outland safari |
| 16:02.36 | karl_w_w | i have everything except minfernal |
| 16:02.38 | SuperPortia|work | And Northrend is just the snowy fox and scourge whelp away |
| 16:02.56 | SuperPortia|work | You have the qiriaji from Silithis? |
| 16:03.05 | kullervo | what's the dungeon "things completed" frame callled? |
| 16:03.27 | karl_w_w | objectives frame? |
| 16:03.32 | karl_w_w | no portia |
| 16:03.50 | karl_w_w | does it look like summer to you? :P |
| 16:04.17 | kullervo | no such thing |
| 16:04.25 | SuperPortia|work | You said you had everything. If you had a secret to getting it, don't you think its in my interest to ask? |
| 16:04.56 | Vlad| | pets came too late for summer one to have been cought |
| 16:04.57 | Vlad| | I tried :P |
| 16:05.12 | Vlad| | unless there were some bugs going around |
| 16:05.15 | chiel | hmm.. didn't realise there were season-specific pets... :s |
| 16:05.23 | chiel | i guess i should start catching them sooner rather than later. |
| 16:05.24 | SuperPortia|work | Two of them |
| 16:05.34 | SuperPortia|work | The snowy owl is winter only in Winterspring |
| 16:05.35 | chiel | ah, is one winter and one summer or? |
| 16:05.39 | chiel | i see |
| 16:05.41 | karl_w_w | u want that actual name in lua kullervo? WatchFrame |
| 16:05.49 | SuperPortia|work | The qiriaji guy is summer only in Silithus |
| 16:05.56 | chiel | hmm |
| 16:06.10 | chiel | i've just not been too bothered with the pet battles since i always got beaten in the pvp ones |
| 16:06.16 | chiel | kinda killed the motivation there, hehe |
| 16:06.33 | chiel | maybe i am using the wrong pets for the job though.. |
| 16:06.51 | chiel | does anyone of you feel like looking at my collected pets and telling me which would be a good starting point? |
| 16:08.00 | Vlad| | there are some OP once |
| 16:08.07 | Vlad| | the store once or collections editions can be oP :P |
| 16:08.19 | Vlad| | I recommend crimson geode |
| 16:08.19 | chiel | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/steamwheedle-cartel/Aelen/pet#status=is-collected |
| 16:08.22 | Vlad| | it's freaking awesome :D |
| 16:08.27 | chiel | ^ those are the pets i currently have |
| 16:08.34 | Vlad| | get http://www.wowhead.com/npc=62927 |
| 16:08.46 | Vlad| | elementium bolt + amplify magic |
| 16:08.47 | Vlad| | :D |
| 16:09.11 | karl_w_w | just level whatever to get a feel for it |
| 16:09.15 | karl_w_w | dont pvp til later |
| 16:09.36 | Vlad| | I don't pvp either |
| 16:09.45 | chiel | hmm |
| 16:09.48 | chiel | fair enough :p |
| 16:10.09 | chiel | but yeah i can't catch the crimson thing until my pets are (much?) higher level so |
| 16:11.09 | Vlad| | what level are you atm? |
| 16:11.30 | Vlad| | fine I will click your profile lol |
| 16:11.34 | Vlad| | level 9 yeah |
| 16:11.40 | SuperPortia|work | Don't PvP with these. |
| 16:11.43 | SuperPortia|work | You'll get killed. |
| 16:11.43 | Vlad| | :P |
| 16:12.05 | SuperPortia|work | Also look for rares. Each level below rare drops your stats down considerably. |
| 16:12.17 | Vlad| | Portia actually you can work it fine |
| 16:12.21 | Vlad| | used my wolvar pup |
| 16:12.22 | SuperPortia|work | Fights against poors and normals are a walk in the park if you're sporting rares. |
| 16:12.24 | Vlad| | it's green :P |
| 16:12.37 | Vlad| | he still is, need a humanoid stone :( |
| 16:12.49 | Vlad| | btw didn't they add it so you can buy stones for JP? |
| 16:13.16 | SuperPortia|work | The most common pets in the wild are beasts and critters which are weak to mechanicals and beasts. Have a beast beater and a mecahnical beater ready. |
| 16:13.31 | SuperPortia|work | Westfall has mini reapers you can get at low level. |
| 16:14.06 | SuperPortia|work | You will eventually start seeing non-beast, non-critter pets. |
| 16:14.20 | SuperPortia|work | For those you need to start leveling alternatives. |
| 16:14.21 | Vlad| | I picked pets with various type abilities |
| 16:14.38 | Vlad| | unless you have 3 pets with all focusing on 3 or less types :P |
| 16:14.42 | Vlad| | then you should be okay :3 |
| 16:14.50 | SuperPortia|work | Dragons are good against magic. Aquatic is good against flyers. |
| 16:14.54 | SuperPortia|work | You will eventually need a team of elementals. |
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| 16:15.08 | SuperPortia|work | Around level 10-12 I think. |
| 16:15.30 | SuperPortia|work | Elementals ream Mechanicals. |
| 16:15.47 | SuperPortia|work | They have good defense and offense against them (and they're the only pet type like that). |
| 16:16.13 | SuperPortia|work | An even-leveled pure, rare elemental can often wipe out a pure mecahnical team. |
| 16:17.06 | Vlad| | you make it sound like a dragon pet is only good against magic :P |
| 16:17.15 | Vlad| | but the fact is they got abilities and that's the types that decide :P |
| 16:17.41 | Vlad| | you can fight a type that has no abilities that are strong versus your type :P |
| 16:18.10 | Vlad| | example my dragon pet can have abilities that have no strong effect versus magic, hehe |
| 16:18.54 | SuperPortia|work | It's not, but it's more likely to be good against them. |
| 16:19.06 | SuperPortia|work | Also dragons are resistant to flyers which do appear regularly. |
| 16:19.27 | SuperPortia|work | Dragons also tend to have their third slot ability be dragon-type. |
| 16:19.44 | SuperPortia|work | You want your hard-hitting ability (usually slot 3) to be the type you're going against. |
| 16:19.53 | karl_w_w | my dragon is my weakest pet in my new team |
| 16:20.02 | SuperPortia|work | Which one are you using? |
| 16:20.05 | chiel | hmm yeah, i have a few rare pets, not many yet sadly |
| 16:20.18 | karl_w_w | azure whelpling |
| 16:20.19 | Vlad| | my point was just that even if you fight a dragon with your magic pet |
| 16:20.20 | chiel | you gotta get lucky, which can be a pain in the arse. |
| 16:20.25 | Vlad| | it doesn't mean the enemy will rape you :P |
| 16:20.35 | Vlad| | not if the enemy has no abilities that deal magic type damage hehe |
| 16:21.34 | SuperPortia|work | I cannot communicate all the subtleties of the system. That each person has to learn themselves. But it sounded like chiel, that you were looking for general rules. |
| 16:21.50 | chiel | yeah, pretty much :) |
| 16:21.57 | chiel | was just looking for some good starter pets |
| 16:22.01 | SuperPortia|work | The Darkshore Cub in Darkshore is OP |
| 16:22.05 | chiel | battling most stuff in the wild isn't much of a problem |
| 16:22.06 | Lopeppeppy | Squirrels! |
| 16:22.07 | SuperPortia|work | IT's also low level. |
| 16:22.12 | chiel | okay cool |
| 16:22.13 | SuperPortia|work | The really common pets are ok |
| 16:22.18 | chiel | i have a rare spider at level 9 for example |
| 16:22.22 | chiel | that one is pretty strong |
| 16:22.37 | SuperPortia|work | Each zone, generally, has a pet that's unique to it. These are often, but not always better than the really common ones. |
| 16:23.01 | chiel | makes sense i guess, they'll be a bit harder to track down i imagine |
| 16:23.04 | chiel | but that's cool |
| 16:23.10 | chiel | just been so busy since the start of the expansion |
| 16:23.15 | SuperPortia|work | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lothar/Portia/pet#status=is-collected |
| 16:23.19 | SuperPortia|work | That's me. |
| 16:23.34 | SuperPortia|work | Pandaren Monk is also OP |
| 16:23.45 | chiel | that's from the pet store though, no? |
| 16:23.48 | SuperPortia|work | Yeah |
| 16:23.50 | SuperPortia|work | It's pay to win. |
| 16:23.56 | chiel | haha :) |
| 16:23.59 | SuperPortia|work | I got him on sale. |
| 16:24.10 | Vlad| | crabs are good pets, they can take a lot of beating and heal over time :P |
| 16:24.31 | Lopeppeppy | And taste GREAT when you're done with them. |
| 16:24.32 | chiel | fair enough, i'm not really in any position to pay for pets at the moment, pretty broke! :P |
| 16:25.24 | chiel | lol |
| 16:26.10 | Vlad| | how did you get to be broke? |
| 16:26.43 | chiel | i live in london, rent is insane, didn't have a fixed job for a month |
| 16:26.50 | karl_w_w | why does the average wait time always lie |
| 16:26.56 | Vlad| | I thought you meant in-game gold economy |
| 16:27.12 | chiel | oh right, nah |
| 16:27.54 | karl_w_w | average wait time is always 1 or 2 minutes |
| 16:28.06 | karl_w_w | yet my average wait time must be about 8 minutes |
| 16:28.10 | Vlad| | :< |
| 16:28.24 | SuperPortia|work | I don't buy full price from these guys unless it's for charity |
| 16:28.24 | Vlad| | england was a superpower back in the ol' days |
| 16:28.31 | Vlad| | what happened, chiel? :P |
| 16:28.36 | Vlad| | you owned the seas |
| 16:28.43 | SuperPortia|work | It takes a minute or two to update to the correct time. |
| 16:29.05 | chiel | haha, i'm not english :p |
| 16:29.08 | SuperPortia|work | Well Panda Cub is the same and Darkshore Cub |
| 16:29.25 | SuperPortia|work | There are equivalents for some of the collector's you can get. |
| 16:29.33 | chiel | yeah no doubt |
| 16:29.48 | chiel | i'll go get the darkshore cub though |
| 16:29.51 | SuperPortia|work | I haven't found the mini-thor equivalent. |
| 16:29.55 | chiel | fight them until i find a rare... >.< |
| 16:30.16 | SuperPortia|work | They're level 3-5 so just make sure they don't overkill it. |
| 16:30.19 | chiel | imo it's kinda stupid the bought pets are op, but there you go |
| 16:30.32 | chiel | yeah, i'll put a similar level pet up against it, hehe |
| 16:30.41 | chiel | the level 9 spider might oneshot it |
| 16:30.57 | SuperPortia|work | If you can afford a couple thousand gold, the Terrible Turnip is a good capturing pet. |
| 16:31.11 | chiel | i have the terrible turnip |
| 16:31.15 | SuperPortia|work | Watch out for poisons and DoT effects from your pets. |
| 16:31.20 | chiel | from my own farm :D |
| 16:31.21 | SuperPortia|work | Level that sucker. |
| 16:31.29 | chiel | cool, will do |
| 16:31.35 | SuperPortia|work | DoT effects will often kill the pet you're capturing. |
| 16:31.42 | chiel | yeah |
| 16:32.01 | SuperPortia|work | And if you've got one, it's ok to pass (if you can't heal or shield up) and let the existing DoT bring it into capturing range. |
| 16:32.01 | karl_w_w | 14 mins in queue |
| 16:32.24 | SuperPortia|work | For what? |
| 16:32.32 | karl_w_w | pet battle |
| 16:32.34 | chiel | yeah, i've been pretty careful in general when trying to capture new pets :) |
| 16:32.51 | chiel | i don't mind long queues, gives me time to fiddle with my UI in the meantime, haha |
| 16:32.52 | SuperPortia|work | Good defense is better than good offense when capturing. |
| 16:32.53 | karl_w_w | there must be other people queuing or there wouldnt be an average |
| 16:32.56 | karl_w_w | so what gives |
| 16:33.07 | SuperPortia|work | Not necessarily. It's probably a rolling average. |
| 16:33.14 | SuperPortia|work | So as long as people did queue... |
| 16:33.38 | karl_w_w | the average just went down from 2 to 1 |
| 16:33.41 | karl_w_w | minutes |
| 16:33.52 | karl_w_w | here i am at 16 |
| 16:34.12 | chiel | i need to find a good place to put my extra actionbar thingy |
| 16:34.22 | chiel | and my playeraltpowerbar (or whatever it's called) |
| 16:34.27 | karl_w_w | i know my maths, to go from an average of 2 to 1 people need to have got pops of less than 1.5 minutes |
| 16:34.38 | chiel | they are like right under my raid frames atm :D |
| 16:35.25 | SuperPortia|work | I don't think it's straight forward like that karl_w_w |
| 16:35.47 | SuperPortia|work | It's a matchmaking service so people who have more potential partners will match faster. |
| 16:35.56 | SuperPortia|work | What's your toon? |
| 16:36.04 | Vlad| | any way to get the real name of the enemy in pvp? :D |
| 16:37.59 | Vlad| | why did blizzard add a million maximum for the lesser charm tokens? |
| 16:38.05 | Vlad| | isn't it easier just not to have a limit? |
| 16:38.12 | Vlad| | seems off place to put such a huge number, lol |
| 16:38.23 | chiel | they need to store it somewhere |
| 16:38.29 | chiel | storing something without a spec is a pain in the ass |
| 16:38.57 | karl_w_w | there are plenty of currencies without a limit |
| 16:39.00 | chiel | hmm.. remote guild chat isn't working... |
| 16:39.01 | chiel | the fuuuuck |
| 16:39.17 | karl_w_w | in fact they have been around for years, limits on currencies are relatively new |
| 16:39.18 | chiel | like which currency? |
| 16:40.04 | Vlad| | if the currency has a limit, they put it on fine, but if not it's not usual to say "you can have a million of these" usually they just don't write a limit :P |
| 16:40.17 | karl_w_w | um |
| 16:40.23 | karl_w_w | like nearly every single currency |
| 16:40.23 | chiel | i suppose |
| 16:40.37 | Vlad| | the [Lesser Charm of Good Fortune] is out of place :P |
| 16:40.46 | Vlad| | "Total Maximum: 1202/1000000" |
| 16:40.48 | chiel | i'm sure each currency has some kinda limit under the hood |
| 16:40.52 | Vlad| | yes oc |
| 16:40.53 | Vlad| | ofc* |
| 16:41.09 | Vlad| | but my [Mark of the World Tree] for instance have no limit shown, even if it is a 32 bit integer :P |
| 16:41.11 | chiel | but yeah i agree it's a bit weird listing it for the lesser charms :p |
| 16:41.28 | chiel | ah don't even get me started on bloody marls of the world tree |
| 16:41.32 | SuperPortia|work | My guess is someone forgot to flag it to not show the limit. |
| 16:41.35 | chiel | i didn't play much at all during cata |
| 16:41.45 | chiel | so i don't have all those dailies done |
| 16:41.49 | chiel | doing them now every now and then |
| 16:41.52 | chiel | goddamn it's so boring |
| 16:42.04 | SuperPortia|work | I concentrated on a faction or two at a time. |
| 16:42.07 | Vlad| | no point doing the hyjal dailies |
| 16:42.09 | SuperPortia|work | Then switched it up when I got bored. |
| 16:42.14 | Vlad| | firelands have no rewards for those tokens, I got like 800 :P |
| 16:42.14 | chiel | you mean in MoP? |
| 16:42.31 | chiel | Vlad|: I just want the achievements for those quests :) |
| 16:42.32 | SuperPortia|work | Well once you do them all and do all the turn-ins you get a mount. |
| 16:42.42 | Vlad| | ah |
| 16:42.52 | chiel | SuperPortia|work: but yeah, i did the same in MoP, two factions at a time |
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| 16:43.07 | chiel | started tillers/GL, then went shado-pan/AC |
| 16:43.13 | chiel | and then klaxxi |
| 16:43.22 | chiel | most of them are still kinda hanging around revered though |
| 16:43.33 | chiel | now i just do dailies when i can be bothered |
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| 16:44.33 | SuperPortia|work | Same |
| 16:44.38 | SuperPortia|work | Don't do it if it's not fun. |
| 16:44.57 | Vlad| | work soon :D |
| 16:45.08 | SuperPortia|work | Otherwise the reward at the end is just an achievement signifying how much boredom you overcame to get it. |
| 16:45.13 | SuperPortia|work | Not a great achievement then. |
| 16:46.12 | Vlad| | :p |
| 16:46.22 | Vlad| | get ogrila to exalted |
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| 16:49.59 | karl_w_w | critters rape the crap out of my team |
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| 16:52.04 | Portia | What are you running? |
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| 16:52.06 | Portia | Undead? |
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| 17:01.26 | Vlad| | found Lake Kittitata in the game |
| 17:01.53 | Vlad| | no americans here to lol at it? |
| 17:02.30 | Vlad| | bolivians probably lol a bit more |
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| 17:07.35 | karl_w_w | holy crap 4 loading screens taking the port to dmf |
| 17:12.14 | chiel | in fairness, i quite enjoy grinding rep (for some fucked up reason), but having to do something every day is kinda.. meh |
| 17:12.30 | chiel | i'm pretty much at the point where VP rewards don't do terribly much for me anymore |
| 17:14.24 | Portia | Then don't do it everyday. |
| 17:14.29 | Portia | I skip some days. |
| 17:14.29 | chiel | i don't :) |
| 17:14.36 | Portia | It's not really hurting me. |
| 17:14.41 | chiel | nah, it won't do |
| 17:14.49 | chiel | i think the only thing i do every day is the dominion offensive atm |
| 17:18.27 | chiel | finished august celestials, golden lotus and tillers at least :) |
| 17:24.04 | karl_w_w | i dont there isnt a part of wow at the moment that doesnt have a ridiculously annoying aspect to it |
| 17:24.40 | karl_w_w | i guess the new dailies arent too bad |
| 17:24.47 | Portia | Something that isn't grindy? |
| 17:29.37 | haste | Arazon: exactly how is oUF primarily implemented with xml? |
| 17:34.14 | Semlar | portia: http://semlar.com/mounts.txt |
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| 17:38.46 | Unkle | Station. |
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| 17:43.47 | karl_w_w | did we ever/will we ever find out where the dmf got their island from? |
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| 17:45.53 | karl_w_w | really i'm just looking forward to the day we have a raid with in insanely creepy clown in it |
| 17:45.59 | karl_w_w | it has to happen eventually |
| 17:47.50 | Arrowmaster | anybody run diablo3 on an intel hd 4000 gfxcard? |
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| 17:50.49 | Arazon | haste: what? |
| 17:51.49 | Gnarfoz | calling it a card is amusing :D |
| 17:52.58 | haste | 0102.52| #wowuidev | <Arazon> I've disected oUF, xperl, shadowed UF, etc, all of em are implemented primarily with xml lol |
| 17:53.16 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: You mean those crappy integrated gfx chipsets on a laptop? I think you need more power than that for DIII. |
| 17:53.37 | mikma | haste: it's NOW after he DISECTED IT |
| 17:54.03 | Arazon | So I was wrong? |
| 17:54.22 | Arazon | Shadowed doesnt have any xml, and oUF has very little |
| 17:54.37 | Arazon | Your point? |
| 17:54.55 | haste | I was curious to what you meant with it |
| 17:55.02 | haste | kinda odd to throw that out there |
| 17:55.20 | Arazon | And so you went back 18+ hours just to point out something like that? |
| 17:55.25 | Gnarfoz | Unkle: no, hd4k is the ivy bridge in-cpu gpu |
| 17:55.36 | Portia | Can you call a global function from withing your scoped function of the same name? |
| 17:55.39 | Gnarfoz | Arazon: it's called reading scrollback |
| 17:55.48 | chiel | Arazon: you can't blame irc for being asynchronouse... |
| 17:55.50 | chiel | -e |
| 17:55.57 | chiel | people tend to read scrollback on irc |
| 17:56.00 | haste | no, it was conveniently placed in my log and I just got home |
| 17:56.14 | Arazon | So I started developing addons about 2 days ago, I didn't know what I was looking at o.O |
| 17:56.14 | Gnarfoz | he probably has a highlight on "oUF" ^^ |
| 17:56.25 | chiel | i would imagine so since he's the author, hehe |
| 17:56.36 | Gnarfoz | nah, that's not it! :P |
| 17:56.41 | Gnarfoz | he.... well. some reason! :P |
| 17:56.57 | haste | Arazon: it was just the fact that you said it primarily used xml, when it has maybe 10 lines of xml total :P |
| 17:57.01 | Semlar | portia: if you're replacing a function you can create a local reference to it with a different name and use that in your function |
| 17:57.24 | Semlar | also did you see my link |
| 17:57.27 | haste | and yes, Gnarfoz is correct |
| 17:57.30 | Arazon | I did say that. And I then said later I was wrong. Is that ok? |
| 17:57.43 | Gnarfoz | he probably doesn't have a highlight on that. ;) |
| 17:58.03 | Arazon | I'm kinda new to this, I say stupid things sometimes lol |
| 17:58.09 | Gnarfoz | don't get worked up about it |
| 17:58.15 | haste | I didn't read much more than that line, which is why asked |
| 17:58.17 | Semlar | i wouldn't feel too bad, i say stupid things all the time |
| 17:58.42 | haste | brain accidentally language. :( |
| 17:58.44 | Gnarfoz | apropos stupid things, I wonder how I broke FascistGnome |
| 17:58.48 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/05/28/intel-hd-4000-investigation/5 |
| 17:59.33 | Semlar | yeah i don't think you could play diablo on an integrated card |
| 17:59.55 | TC-work | you can |
| 18:00.09 | TC-work | depending on what you define as 'play' |
| 18:00.11 | Gnarfoz | man, SwiftKey's servers are getting hammered |
| 18:00.14 | Unkle | haste can't brain today, he accidentally the whole language. |
| 18:00.26 | haste | damn cold |
| 18:00.35 | Semlar | i guess it depends a lot on the resolution too |
| 18:01.52 | Portia | In terms of general convention when do you return true/false and when do you return 1/nil; or 1/0? |
| 18:02.08 | Unkle | Wow. That article actually shows it playing at better results than I expected. |
| 18:02.09 | Gnarfoz | general? |
| 18:02.10 | Semlar | i almost always return true/false |
| 18:02.15 | Semlar | to represent a boolean |
| 18:02.24 | Arrowmaster | never do 1/0 |
| 18:02.30 | Gnarfoz | because everything not nil or false is true in Lua, but you didn't specify |
| 18:02.39 | Portia | 0 is true? |
| 18:02.40 | Unkle | in Lua, 0 is not the same as "false" |
| 18:02.43 | Gnarfoz | 0 is true |
| 18:02.44 | Semlar | 0 is true |
| 18:02.45 | Arrowmaster | yes 0 is true |
| 18:02.55 | Portia | ok, I've seen a lot of 1/nil in the WoW code. |
| 18:03.06 | Gnarfoz | blame PHP |
| 18:03.08 | Gnarfoz | or something |
| 18:03.08 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:03.25 | Gnarfoz | I always use booleans if they exist |
| 18:03.28 | Semlar | returning nothing really depends on what you're doing |
| 18:03.44 | Semlar | you have to be careful with nil values |
| 18:03.49 | Arrowmaster | yeah wow api uses 1/nil because they started with lua 4.0 back in alpha/beta which didnt have true/false |
| 18:04.03 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: interesting insight :o |
| 18:04.13 | Unkle | And there's still a lot of legacy code despite moving to Lua 5.1 |
| 18:04.19 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster: do you know if they switched to 5.0 before the release? |
| 18:04.21 | Gnarfoz | I thought they were still on 5.0? |
| 18:04.25 | wereHamster | \5.1 |
| 18:04.34 | chiel | FascistGnome.. what a splendid name for an addon :D |
| 18:04.35 | Gnarfoz | or Lua is already at 5.2 or something |
| 18:04.38 | Semlar | oh oh if you're storing it, do you know which is smaller: an empty string, 1 or true |
| 18:04.38 | Arrowmaster | wereHamster: afaik it was 5.0 on release |
| 18:04.43 | Portia | Though you don't have to set nil. |
| 18:04.48 | Gnarfoz | chiel: blame vhaarr, it was NaziGnome, originally |
| 18:04.48 | Portia | Where can that bite you? |
| 18:05.11 | Gnarfoz | Portia: when you try to access variables in a way that is not a true/false check |
| 18:05.14 | chiel | Gnarfoz: haha, is it your addon? |
| 18:05.29 | Gnarfoz | chiel: no, it's his, I just added something/updated something |
| 18:05.45 | Gnarfoz | lua> print "example"..test |
| 18:05.46 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: example, luabot:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 18:05.47 | chiel | ah right :) |
| 18:05.54 | chiel | it's updated for 4.2 :( |
| 18:06.13 | Gnarfoz | hm? no, it's 5.1 |
| 18:06.21 | Gnarfoz | well, maybe there's no release version that's particularily recent |
| 18:06.32 | chiel | maybe curse's version is outdated |
| 18:06.41 | Gnarfoz | half-right |
| 18:07.00 | Gnarfoz | it's not considered good etiquette to create tags on other people's repositories @ wowace, which would result in the packager creating a beta or release zip |
| 18:07.16 | Gnarfoz | (or rather, doing it without asking/consent.) |
| 18:07.41 | Gnarfoz | not really a problem, since you can just as well install the alpha packages, too. Curse Client also keeps those up to date (at alpha versions), if you want to |
| 18:07.51 | Gnarfoz | just not particularily obvious, all of that |
| 18:08.01 | Arrowmaster | and if you do it without asking/consent and you dont follow their tag naming scheme, prepare for an unholy wrath to come down upon you |
| 18:08.10 | Gnarfoz | or a passive-agressive forum thread |
| 18:08.12 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 18:08.25 | karl_w_w | click an npc, nothing happens, click again, still nothing |
| 18:08.29 | chiel | yeah, i should use wowace to download addons from tbh |
| 18:08.34 | chiel | much more up to date, much nicer. |
| 18:08.35 | karl_w_w | no "you are too far away" message |
| 18:08.43 | karl_w_w | that would be way too useful |
| 18:08.45 | Gnarfoz | 84% downloaded on the swiftkey flow enGB dictionary! go on, little phone, gooo |
| 18:09.13 | Gnarfoz | wonder how they're not using cloudfront or some service like it |
| 18:09.27 | SuperPortia | Gnarfoz you will spell color without a u and like it! |
| 18:09.40 | chiel | NEVAR |
| 18:09.43 | karl_w_w | WoW: can't even get player interaction right |
| 18:09.54 | chiel | colour without the u is just.. :< |
| 18:10.01 | Gnarfoz | SuperPortia: best thing about swiftkey: I'll install enUS, enGB and deDE all at the same time and it will USE all of them at the same time, too. no need to switch. :D |
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| 18:10.26 | SuperPortia | That's just unnatural |
| 18:10.54 | Gnarfoz | you mean "awesome", right? |
| 18:15.32 | SuperPortia | Semlar: updated GetCompanionInfo... can you check if it's legal? |
| 18:15.33 | SuperPortia | http://pastebin.com/UhFpS7GT |
| 18:16.36 | Semlar | looks fairly reasonable |
| 18:16.55 | Semlar | did you get the link i sent earlier |
| 18:16.55 | SuperPortia | Is there such a thing as a constructor? |
| 18:16.58 | SuperPortia | No |
| 18:17.03 | Semlar | http://semlar.com/mounts.txt |
| 18:17.30 | SuperPortia | Is that culled from the wowarmory? |
| 18:17.44 | Semlar | everything but the display id |
| 18:17.48 | Semlar | which it doesn't have as far as i can tell |
| 18:18.00 | SuperPortia | It does actually it's just encoded in the background url string. |
| 18:18.09 | Semlar | that's just the creature id |
| 18:18.37 | SuperPortia | one second |
| 18:18.54 | SuperPortia | <span class="render-model" style="background-image: url(http://media.blizzard.com/wow/renders/npcs/grid/creature14329.jpg)"></span> |
| 18:19.03 | Semlar | check it |
| 18:19.05 | SuperPortia | The number after creature and before .jpg is the displayID |
| 18:19.11 | SuperPortia | hmm |
| 18:19.25 | Semlar | [22724]={14329,29469,14334,3,4,1} |
| 18:19.40 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=22724 |
| 18:20.00 | SuperPortia | 14327 should be the displayID |
| 18:20.07 | SuperPortia | 14329 |
| 18:20.15 | Semlar | the display id is 14334 |
| 18:20.18 | chiel | right, hometime |
| 18:20.20 | chiel | see you guys :) |
| 18:20.35 | Semlar | ciao |
| 18:20.57 | Semlar | ModelViewer.show({ type: 1, typeId: 14329, displayId: 14334 }) |
| 18:21.05 | SuperPortia | hmm |
| 18:21.30 | Semlar | it's the creature id |
| 18:22.10 | SuperPortia | You're wright. |
| 18:22.12 | SuperPortia | right. |
| 18:22.12 | Semlar | i included it in the table anyway |
| 18:22.24 | SuperPortia | I could theoretically return it then. |
| 18:22.41 | Semlar | along with the quality even though i'm like 90% sure all of the spells without items are marked as common |
| 18:23.03 | SuperPortia | Is the idea to build it as an associative array and just store it compressed like this? |
| 18:23.10 | SuperPortia | Same. |
| 18:23.23 | SuperPortia | I thought there were some that wearnt, but I couldn't find any. |
| 18:24.05 | Semlar | all the ones without items i set to -1 for the itemid |
| 18:24.19 | SuperPortia | Gotcha |
| 18:24.27 | Semlar | all of them have the same values for source quality and type |
| 18:24.49 | Semlar | which is "other" "common" and "ground" |
| 18:24.56 | SuperPortia | I'm not quite sure how to get all the mount flags from those three. |
| 18:25.13 | Semlar | what are mount flags |
| 18:25.35 | SuperPortia | !api GetCompaionInfo |
| 18:25.35 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'GetCompaionInfo'. |
| 18:25.44 | SuperPortia | !api GetCompanionInfo |
| 18:25.44 | lua_bot | GetCompanionInfo: Returns information about a non-combat pet or mount (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCompanionInfo) |
| 18:25.44 | Semlar | !api getcompanioninfo |
| 18:25.45 | lua_bot | GetCompanionInfo: Returns information about a non-combat pet or mount (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCompanionInfo) |
| 18:25.54 | SuperPortia | It's the last return type. |
| 18:26.17 | Semlar | they're all ground |
| 18:26.25 | Gnarfoz | anyone have an idea why I wouldn't be getting nameplates for the virmen and eagle mobs @ Sunsong Ranch? |
| 18:26.37 | SuperPortia | I meant, how to get 0x04, 0x08 and 0x10 |
| 18:26.38 | Semlar | maybe they're critters |
| 18:26.48 | Gnarfoz | other people get them |
| 18:26.49 | SuperPortia | Not sure. |
| 18:26.57 | SuperPortia | Add-on likely. |
| 18:26.58 | karl_w_w | i dont get them either |
| 18:27.01 | SuperPortia | I know they don't drop loot. |
| 18:27.16 | Semlar | those flags aren't available in the armory, they only make the distinction between ground flying and aquatic mounts |
| 18:27.19 | Gnarfoz | SuperPortia: probably, that's a bit vague, though. |
| 18:27.47 | SuperPortia | Understood. It's a starting point though for building out the flags. |
| 18:27.59 | Semlar | why do you even need the flags |
| 18:28.09 | SuperPortia | For the mount random mount function. |
| 18:28.41 | SuperPortia | I wanted to add /mountrandom and /mountrandomfavorite |
| 18:28.47 | SuperPortia | Eventually. But for now it's not required. |
| 18:29.02 | Semlar | well you have 0x01, 0x02 and 0x08, "can jump" is kind of useless and i don't know what it means by usable at the water's surface |
| 18:29.21 | SuperPortia | It may be no longer used. |
| 18:29.33 | SuperPortia | There used to be a distinction that would dismount you as soon as you hit water. |
| 18:29.36 | Semlar | it either means you can mount when you get to the surface or it can walk on water which i don't know about |
| 18:30.03 | SuperPortia | I'd have to look at older version of the API to see when it was introduced. |
| 18:30.14 | Semlar | i think all ground mounts can be used underwater and all flying mounts should be mountable at the surface |
| 18:30.23 | SuperPortia | If it was introduced early then it almost certainly means whether or not you're dismounted. |
| 18:30.42 | SuperPortia | Actually I don't need it. |
| 18:30.46 | SuperPortia | You can't mount a mount you don't have. |
| 18:30.54 | Semlar | right |
| 18:30.56 | SuperPortia | the mountFlags are nil. |
| 18:31.41 | Arazon | finally got it working http://imgur.com/3c6ac |
| 18:31.52 | Semlar | nice |
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| 18:33.01 | SuperPortia | Anyone know of a decent IRC client for Android? |
| 18:33.26 | Arazon | heh cram all semester, finals week: "Ehh i think I'll teach myself Lua and figure out how to build a unit frame. " |
| 18:34.53 | Arazon | brb, polar bears. |
| 18:35.11 | Semlar | offer them a coke |
| 18:35.18 | Semlar | polar bears love coke |
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| 18:36.02 | SuperPortia | So is it better to create constants that represent indexes into an array or to create a property'd version of the source table? translating {1, 2, 3, 4} into { a = 1, b = 2, c = 3, d = 4 }? |
| 18:36.36 | SuperPortia | I'd rather not work with table[1] (where one is the index of property a) |
| 18:36.43 | alestane | Better for what? |
| 18:36.47 | SuperPortia | Just wondering what's more efficient and does it matter? |
| 18:37.03 | Semlar | you could do local a, b, c, d = unpack(1,2,3,4) |
| 18:37.10 | SuperPortia | unpack? |
| 18:37.14 | SuperPortia | That's new to me. |
| 18:37.27 | Semlar | it splits an array into values |
| 18:37.39 | Humbedooh | Semlar: that's not an array ;( |
| 18:37.49 | Semlar | well it should have braces around it |
| 18:38.04 | alestane | Write the program so that you can understand and maintain it easily. If you come to the conclusion that its performance is inadequate, look for opportunities to optimize it, but not until then. |
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| 18:38.19 | SuperPortia | Pre-optimization is the enemy |
| 18:38.40 | Semlar | you could redo the table as a dictionary but it's going to be a lot bigger |
| 18:39.14 | SuperPortia | I could do it at run-time |
| 18:39.57 | SuperPortia | I'll probably leave it alone and put it behind a function. |
| 18:39.57 | SuperPortia | So that the function knows all the indexes. |
| 18:40.04 | Semlar | i would just do it when you access the values |
| 18:40.41 | Unkle | In fact "optimizing" code you understand poorly is the best way to get into more trouble than you can dig yourself out of. |
| 18:40.44 | Shirik | Write the program so that you can understand and maintain it easily (aka, a UML/SysML drawing) |
| 18:40.52 | Shirik | Then transform it to code |
| 18:41.23 | Shirik | I need to make a Lua code generator |
| 18:42.00 | Shirik | Unkle: Optimizing code is the best way to get into more trouble :) |
| 18:42.06 | Semlar | if you want i can go back and add keys |
| 18:42.16 | SuperPortia | Not necessary. |
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| 18:43.14 | Unkle | Shirik: Mmmm... trouble. Optimization is a nigh-irresistible lure. A siren's call to the promised land of super fast execution and low overhead that triggers the pleasure centers of every nerd's brain. |
| 18:43.32 | alestane | Also, in Lua, saving constants to hold indices requires variable access to look up the desired index, which wipes out most potential efficiency gains. |
| 18:43.41 | Shirik | who cares about overhead |
| 18:43.49 | SuperPortia | Semlar: something like this will handle it: http://pastebin.com/n0TrkQaP |
| 18:43.52 | Shirik | I'd rather have elegant code than efficient code |
| 18:44.01 | Elkano | doing CUDA programming, I do :/ |
| 18:44.29 | Shirik | you can't write elegant CUDA |
| 18:44.30 | Shirik | so it doesn't matter |
| 18:44.47 | Unkle | And I'd rather have understandable/maintainable code more than elegant. But I do love me some elegant solutions. |
| 18:45.00 | Shirik | I think they go hand-in-hand |
| 18:45.20 | Shirik | i take that back, I have an elegant solution to super-strong typing in C++ that is fairly difficult to understand |
| 18:45.35 | Semlar | i mostly split the lookup tables out so you could change what the values were called |
| 18:45.40 | Shirik | but that's because it uses template metaprogramming, which automatically throws 99% of developers out the window |
| 18:45.46 | SuperPortia | I find elegant is usually simple and concise and therefore maintainable. |
| 18:46.10 | cbreak | C++ is great. |
| 18:46.30 | Shirik | C++ is the only language that did templates right |
| 18:46.35 | Shirik | at least the only one I'm aware of |
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| 18:47.52 | alestane | Anyway, SuperPortia, if you have properties stored in a table, it's unlikely you're going to get a better solution than just using the string names of the properties as your keys into the table. |
| 18:47.56 | cbreak | I think the syntax is not the best |
| 18:48.05 | Semlar | superportia is there anything you want me to change or add to the database |
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| 18:48.52 | Semlar | i know it has at least one mount that isn't available in game any more |
| 18:49.19 | Semlar | since the first one is a reference to the black qiraji scarab |
| 18:49.20 | Dagmar | ...at least until it shows up on the Black Market |
| 18:49.29 | Semlar | is it available on the black market? |
| 18:49.30 | SuperPortia | Black Market? |
| 18:49.43 | Dagmar | also known as the BMAH |
| 18:49.44 | Semlar | well either way it was on the armory page |
| 18:50.35 | Semlar | wow, the armory actually links to wowpedia |
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| 18:51.49 | SuperPortia | Yep |
| 18:51.51 | SuperPortia | And Wowhead |
| 18:52.12 | Dagmar | ...which makes total sense, actually.. |
| 18:52.28 | SuperPortia|work | Where is the black market AH? |
| 18:52.39 | Arazon | votfw |
| 18:52.45 | Arazon | up the stairs |
| 18:52.47 | Dagmar | I just watched the Auctioneer addon chew up the auction house data in 2m 53s where it used to be closer to 8m |
| 18:52.52 | Dagmar | Yay CPU |
| 18:53.09 | Semlar | poor server |
| 18:54.58 | Dagmar | I guess I shoudl check out BB's stock of gige switches |
| 18:55.30 | Arazon | first of all, what is BB, and second, what do you need gig switches for? |
| 18:55.39 | Semlar | best buy? |
| 18:55.47 | Dagmar | Best Buy. Because I no longer have anything in my study incapable of gigabit |
| 18:55.48 | Semlar | booty bay |
| 18:56.12 | Arazon | Ahh, gettin the gig switches off the neutral ah eh? |
| 18:56.16 | SuperPortia|work | Actually eventually I wanted to add older mounts and mark them as retired where that's a flag. |
| 18:56.57 | Semlar | older as in when they were introduced to the game or when the player got it |
| 18:57.11 | SuperPortia|work | Older as in no longer available. |
| 18:57.31 | Dagmar | Yuck. Their selection sucks. NewEgg it is then. |
| 18:57.38 | Arazon | How many are no longer available? |
| 18:57.47 | Semlar | i don't think the armory mentions that it's not available |
| 18:57.56 | SuperPortia|work | Rather than force people to tab-out to a web-page to find that out. I'd like to increase confidence that the add-on is difinitive. |
| 18:57.57 | Semlar | i don't know how wowhead gets that information |
| 18:58.32 | Arazon | I dont think they get it programmaticly |
| 18:59.02 | Semlar | oh you think it's manually added by the staff |
| 18:59.06 | Arazon | I would assume they cite the place where you get it from, and then if the source is removed from the game, they say its unavailable |
| 18:59.16 | Arazon | Like ZG |
| 18:59.20 | Arazon | and the Zulian Tiger |
| 18:59.20 | SuperPortia | Something |
| 18:59.34 | SuperPortia | I'm ok opening this up eventually to contributors. |
| 18:59.35 | Arazon | or the opening of AQ and black scarab |
| 19:00.05 | SuperPortia | What did you end up writing the final script in? |
| 19:00.09 | Semlar | python |
| 19:00.29 | SuperPortia | Any reliance on third party (including yours) stuff? |
| 19:00.43 | Semlar | no |
| 19:00.53 | Semlar | just the armory and wowdb |
| 19:01.05 | SuperPortia | Cool |
| 19:01.20 | SuperPortia | Any thoughts on getting the source details information, like which faction, which vendor and price? |
| 19:01.25 | SuperPortia | I.e. the rest of the tooltip? |
| 19:01.30 | Semlar | i mean i used a small spider script that i had already written |
| 19:01.51 | Semlar | it couldn't even really be called a separate script |
| 19:01.53 | Arazon | what script is this |
| 19:01.57 | SuperPortia | going mobile |
| 19:02.46 | Semlar | trying to get all the vendors is going to be a pain in the ass |
| 19:03.37 | SuperPortia|mobi | I just need the name from the tool tip |
| 19:03.51 | Semlar | but there's multiple vendors |
| 19:04.08 | SuperPortia|mobi | Is it not on the item page? |
| 19:04.12 | SuperPortia|mobi | Brb |
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| 19:06.05 | Arazon | What script are you writing? |
| 19:06.22 | Semlar | i wrote a script to generate this http://semlar.com/mounts.txt |
| 19:06.41 | Semlar | he wants more information |
| 19:07.24 | jnwhiteh | Adys: why aren't Python dict's like Lua's tables as far as access =( |
| 19:07.25 | jnwhiteh | fix it |
| 19:07.58 | Semlar | a better question is why a for loop only goes over the keys in a dictionary |
| 19:08.43 | jnwhiteh | meh, who iterates |
| 19:08.43 | Semlar | for key in dict: value = dict[key] :| |
| 19:08.49 | mikma | jnwhiteh: did you have a look at my previous link for you |
| 19:08.51 | pnorman | for (key, value) in foo.items(): |
| 19:08.55 | jnwhiteh | mikma: no, almost certainly not |
| 19:08.59 | Semlar | it's just not the same |
| 19:09.06 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://hackaday.com/2012/12/05/common-linux-tools-on-android-without-root-by-installing-busybox/ |
| 19:09.18 | Semlar | actually i'm running 2.7 and i'm not sure it's called items |
| 19:09.37 | jnwhiteh | mikma: aye, busybox is srsbsns. |
| 19:09.50 | Semlar | at least i think i'm running 2.7.. |
| 19:09.50 | TC-work | i think you can do just in foo |
| 19:09.53 | End_ | 2.7 has an items but it creates the entire list |
| 19:10.11 | mikma | jnwhiteh: after you've managed to whack it in, you can run rooted programs, too! lawl |
| 19:10.28 | Semlar | from future import items |
| 19:10.33 | mikma | jnwhiteh: so perhaps no more bye bye warrancy |
| 19:12.56 | Torhal|work | optimizes Unkle via liberal usage of bourbon. |
| 19:13.13 | alestane | Didn't they do that with some experimental superconductor? |
| 19:15.53 | Unkle | Torhal Can you make that Scotch? |
| 19:17.44 | durcyn | Unkle: that reminds me, apparently aberfeldy is no longer being distributed in texas, so stores have been selling it near cost. picked up a bottle of 21-year for $100 off. you might want to look for some. |
| 19:18.03 | Torhal|work | Unkle: Next iteration, I promise. |
| 19:23.25 | TC-work | durcyn: that makes no sense, it should go up in price |
| 19:23.31 | SuperPortia | Semlar: How difficult is what I'm asking you to do? |
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| 19:24.00 | durcyn | TC-work: i assume it's due to some quirk in the liquor laws prohibiting the sale after distribution ends |
| 19:24.06 | durcyn | TC-work: thanks, prohibition! |
| 19:24.26 | Semlar | i'd have to load up the page on wowhead and go through the different vendors and figure out how to store that in a table |
| 19:24.37 | SuperPortia | Why wowhead? |
| 19:25.01 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle ain't in Texas anymore - no liquids for him! |
| 19:25.20 | durcyn | oh, good riddance then. |
| 19:25.30 | Semlar | i'm just assuming wowhead has more accurate data |
| 19:25.41 | karl_w_w | could somebody change their nick and then say something' |
| 19:25.50 | kd2 | something' |
| 19:25.53 | SuperPortia | If you hover over a mount in the picture, then hover over the link to the item it shows all the information I'm looking for. |
| 19:25.58 | karl_w_w | thanks :P |
| 19:26.18 | karl_w_w | my irc client doesnt seem to be recognising some nick changes, but not all |
| 19:26.20 | Semlar | where? |
| 19:26.48 | SuperPortia | It's gotta be an ajax call for the item. |
| 19:26.57 | SuperPortia | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/pet-mount/mount |
| 19:26.57 | Semlar | the armory? |
| 19:27.00 | SuperPortia | Yeah |
| 19:27.18 | SuperPortia | Load that page, hover over Albino Drake, then hover over the item link in the pop-out. |
| 19:27.28 | SuperPortia | In the tooltip, it has all the source data. |
| 19:27.45 | SuperPortia | Achievement: Leading the Calvary, Category: General |
| 19:28.25 | Semlar | i need an example with multiple sources |
| 19:28.51 | karl_w_w | there are mounts with multiple sources? |
| 19:28.57 | Semlar | yes |
| 19:29.13 | Semlar | i know at least the wind riders off the top of my head |
| 19:29.27 | SuperPortia | Ok. I think it's based on the href link. |
| 19:29.50 | Semlar | they can be purchased in outland, orgrimmar and apparently also dalaran |
| 19:29.56 | SuperPortia | --- /wow/en/item/85262 |
| 19:29.56 | karl_w_w | oh right |
| 19:30.13 | karl_w_w | well that's not how i understand "sources" :P |
| 19:30.22 | karl_w_w | the source of wind riders is vendors |
| 19:30.43 | Semlar | well, i've also seen multiple sources as in quest/vendor/achievement |
| 19:30.59 | SuperPortia | brb |
| 19:31.22 | Semlar | http://www.wowdb.com/items/85430-reins-of-the-azure-cloud-serpent#related:reward-of-quest this says it's from a quest and a vendor |
| 19:32.11 | Semlar | so i guess the question is do you want it the way the armory has it or an accurate representation of where you can get it |
| 19:32.39 | kd3 | the armory's right - it's got both fields on the item page |
| 19:32.42 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/85430 |
| 19:33.09 | Semlar | i meant the tooltip but i haven't checked it for that item |
| 19:33.17 | Adys | jnwhiteh: i still dont know whether its a good or bad thing |
| 19:33.18 | Semlar | i think it only shows one source |
| 19:33.25 | SuperPortia | I'm ok with that. |
| 19:33.39 | Adys | jnwhiteh: either way, a lua-like table is easy, just override __getitem__ |
| 19:33.43 | Adys | er |
| 19:33.45 | Adys | getattr |
| 19:33.49 | SuperPortia | Especially if it's a lot easier. |
| 19:34.04 | Semlar | it doesn't matter to me |
| 19:34.32 | SuperPortia | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/69747/tooltip |
| 19:35.11 | Adys | jnwhiteh: i think the collections module migth have an attribute dict or something.. its a popular class |
| 19:35.32 | Semlar | you could represent multiple sources like source = { {'quest',questid}, {'vendor',name,location} } or something |
| 19:35.56 | Semlar | i don't know, you figure out what you want it to look like |
| 19:36.50 | SuperPortia | I'll take multiple sources if you want to give it, but I'm not going to require you to do all this nasty hard work. |
| 19:37.07 | SuperPortia | The armory is kind of the minimum I want the add-on to show. |
| 19:40.15 | Semlar | every different type of source needs its own exception for what information you want to store |
| 19:41.10 | Semlar | you want to revise this http://pastebin.com/Q9Pmvraa |
| 19:42.04 | Semlar | i had like 11 different sources |
| 19:44.27 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/25474 what do you want the source table to look like for this |
| 19:48.08 | Semlar | { { sourceType = 'vendor', id = 35099, name = 'Bana Wildmane', location = 'Hellfire Peninsula' }, } or something |
| 19:48.32 | Semlar | all of this is localized :\ |
| 19:51.20 | SuperPortia | I think { sourceType='vendor', unitID = 35099, zoneID } and then we lookup the vendors in a localized set of tables. |
| 19:51.22 | SuperPortia | I guess. |
| 19:51.49 | Semlar | i don't think the zone id is in the armory |
| 19:52.04 | SuperPortia | I was thinking of building a table of zoneID |
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| 19:52.20 | SuperPortia | zoneIDs to English zone names and doing an inverse lookup to get back to the IUD |
| 19:52.21 | SuperPortia | ID |
| 19:52.47 | Semlar | no you could get the localized name of the map in game if you had the area id, i'm trying to think of how you could translate that with the zone id |
| 19:53.12 | SuperPortia | I don't know what the ID is called. |
| 19:53.23 | SuperPortia | somethingID to represent Hellfire Peninsula |
| 19:53.56 | Semlar | i'd try to explain the map system but it wouldn't make any sense |
| 19:54.21 | SuperPortia | How would they be getting Hellfire Peninsula? |
| 19:54.23 | Semlar | there's the zone/map id which is what you see on wowhead |
| 19:54.29 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/zone=3483 |
| 19:54.48 | Semlar | but it's almost meaningless in game |
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| 19:55.07 | SuperPortia | How so? |
| 19:55.25 | Semlar | there's a way to get the name of a zone but you need the area id |
| 19:55.46 | SuperPortia | Is there a way to do that? |
| 19:55.51 | Semlar | i could make a table that cross references zone ids to area ids |
| 19:55.52 | SuperPortia | Starting with the name? |
| 19:56.09 | SuperPortia | If it's nasty, let's just leave it unlocalized. |
| 19:56.30 | SuperPortia | Put a pin in it for another release. |
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| 19:57.55 | Semlar | i could generate it from the dbc file |
| 19:58.30 | SuperPortia | This is all you at this point since I have no idea how to do that part. |
| 19:58.37 | karl_w_w | area id is godlike |
| 19:59.19 | karl_w_w | it's how you can get map info for the current zone while the map is open without (apparently) changing the map display |
| 19:59.44 | Semlar | it is possible to do that |
| 19:59.59 | Semlar | although i'm still not entirely sure that information is all accurate |
| 20:00.26 | karl_w_w | which information |
| 20:00.34 | Semlar | the position of the map |
| 20:00.44 | Semlar | i know at least sometimes it just doesn't have anything filled in |
| 20:01.09 | Semlar | whereas i could get it using like GetCurrentMapZone if the map is open |
| 20:02.00 | Semlar | or the dungeon function depending on the map |
| 20:02.03 | karl_w_w | but that wont give you the level for multi-level maps |
| 20:02.20 | Semlar | getcurrentmapdungeonlevel |
| 20:02.36 | karl_w_w | seems like extra steps :P |
| 20:02.47 | Semlar | it's not extra because the area info function doesn't work |
| 20:03.05 | karl_w_w | i've never had a problem with GetCurrentMapAreaID() and SetMapByID() |
| 20:05.32 | Semlar | yeah well try something like GetAreaMapInfo(GetCurrentMapAreaID()) inside of shrine of the two moons and see if you can get the map position |
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| 20:05.58 | karl_w_w | not using getareamapinfo at all |
| 20:08.11 | SuperPortia | http://pastebin.com/tRbzWLTN |
| 20:08.22 | karl_w_w | http://codepad.org/VIpKMmrx like that. ignore the crappy new function |
| 20:08.33 | SuperPortia | (updated, source structure) |
| 20:09.02 | SuperPortia | I omitted the other properties you got since I didn't want to overload the file. |
| 20:09.46 | SuperPortia | So I'd still like itemID, sourceIndex, qualityIndex, and type |
| 20:09.47 | Semlar | you still have to set the map level back to what it was |
| 20:09.49 | SuperPortia | typeIndex |
| 20:09.58 | Semlar | i tried doing something like this before |
| 20:10.15 | SuperPortia | I take it you can't read the current value of the map |
| 20:10.23 | karl_w_w | that's what the last line does Semlar |
| 20:10.39 | karl_w_w | I'd pretty sure anyway |
| 20:10.41 | Semlar | no, it doesn't, it only sets it to the area id which doesn't take the level into account |
| 20:10.51 | SuperPortia | Ah |
| 20:11.00 | SuperPortia | Is there a way to get level? I imagine not. |
| 20:11.03 | Semlar | you have to manually set the map level after it gets updated |
| 20:11.07 | SuperPortia | Ok |
| 20:11.14 | Semlar | which actually takes a noticeable amount of time |
| 20:11.14 | SuperPortia | Well the current map has to do it somehow. |
| 20:12.03 | Semlar | the other problem is that microdungeons screw everything up |
| 20:12.36 | Semlar | but since i don't think you can even open most of them if you aren't inside then you can just use SetMapToCurrentZone |
| 20:15.39 | karl_w_w | what is a microdungeon |
| 20:16.03 | SuperPortia | Like a mapped cave right? |
| 20:16.18 | Semlar | they added maps to large areas like caves |
| 20:16.19 | SuperPortia | Or the two mini-cities in the Valley |
| 20:16.33 | SuperPortia | Valley of the two moons |
| 20:16.39 | Semlar | they aren't technically their own zones |
| 20:17.05 | SuperPortia | Are there raceIDs? |
| 20:17.09 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LKo1j.jpg they're so small this is what the scale of the terrain is inside of one |
| 20:17.17 | SuperPortia | I imagine they don't match faction for things, they simply map races. |
| 20:17.45 | Semlar | aside from pandarens, you can determine faction from race |
| 20:18.05 | SuperPortia | I'm not sure I need to though. |
| 20:18.29 | SuperPortia | I don't know that there are any mounts that are accessible via faction that aren't really just limited by race. |
| 20:18.53 | karl_w_w | sure there are |
| 20:18.58 | SuperPortia | Such as? |
| 20:19.11 | karl_w_w | the um |
| 20:19.22 | karl_w_w | ones from the argent crusade dailies |
| 20:19.30 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/IQ2mQ.jpg |
| 20:19.39 | karl_w_w | im sure there are others |
| 20:19.49 | karl_w_w | fyi there are actually 3 pandaren factions |
| 20:19.52 | SuperPortia | How are they not? |
| 20:19.56 | karl_w_w | races* |
| 20:19.59 | SuperPortia | The one you start out with makes the third. |
| 20:20.01 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/races |
| 20:20.41 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=45597 these are definitely limited by race |
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| 20:21.40 | SuperPortia | Yeah I don't think they have a concept of factions outside of race really. |
| 20:21.50 | Semlar | i think mounts are specifically limited to races not factions |
| 20:21.51 | SuperPortia | And I don't think we need to either. |
| 20:22.14 | SuperPortia | I would like to limit the current display to mounts that are available for that person's race and class. |
| 20:22.54 | Semlar | i think you can check if an item is usable by a player |
| 20:23.03 | SuperPortia | item or spell? |
| 20:23.05 | Semlar | item |
| 20:23.11 | SuperPortia | These would all be spells. |
| 20:23.16 | Semlar | i gave you the item id |
| 20:23.27 | SuperPortia | The mounts in question don't have items. |
| 20:23.33 | SuperPortia | The paladin mounts e.g. |
| 20:23.36 | Semlar | aren't those all class mounts |
| 20:24.17 | SuperPortia | Yes |
| 20:24.30 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/item=44843 http://www.wowhead.com/item=44842 |
| 20:24.32 | karl_w_w | i win |
| 20:25.06 | Semlar | faction could be obtained from the achievement |
| 20:25.11 | SuperPortia | They're limited by achievement which is limited by faction |
| 20:25.25 | karl_w_w | and not by race |
| 20:25.27 | Semlar | or rather you could probably just check if the achievement is available to the player |
| 20:25.52 | SuperPortia | Yes |
| 20:26.41 | Semlar | the spell says Requires Paladin but i don't know if there's any way to check this other than the tooltip |
| 20:27.47 | SuperPortia | There could be a classRestriction = { } thingy |
| 20:28.01 | SuperPortia | If it's there, you only it show it for those classes. |
| 20:28.18 | SuperPortia | If not, then you show it for everyone. |
| 20:28.32 | SuperPortia | Same thing with raceRestriction |
| 20:29.05 | SuperPortia | Half this project is data-mining it seems. |
| 20:29.56 | SuperPortia | Hmm, they also have drop chance. Maybe for another day. |
| 20:30.32 | SuperPortia | The logic for rebuilding these tooltips is going to be a little complex. |
| 20:30.44 | foxlit | heh, took flight to silithus, landed, ported to Feathermoon |
| 20:31.05 | SuperPortia | huh? |
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| 20:31.43 | foxlit | huh indeed. |
| 20:32.03 | Semlar | figure out everything you want so i can scrape it all at once |
| 20:32.39 | Semlar | it doesn't have to be now, just compile something and let me know |
| 20:34.02 | karl_w_w | oh there's something i never checked, is there a boat to kalimdor from menethil now? |
| 20:34.05 | SuperPortia | Do you have a way to get isRetired? |
| 20:34.21 | SuperPortia | I imagine not. |
| 20:34.27 | Semlar | wowhead has giant red letters that this item is no longer in the game |
| 20:34.32 | SuperPortia | ok |
| 20:34.42 | Semlar | or at least no longer obtainable |
| 20:34.50 | karl_w_w | some of them are wrong though |
| 20:35.10 | karl_w_w | some are labelled as not available to players or something |
| 20:35.10 | Semlar | in that case no i can't |
| 20:35.37 | karl_w_w | which is supposed to be for things that never were available |
| 20:37.42 | SuperPortia | Yeah, some of the WoWarmory data is incorrect. |
| 20:38.22 | Semlar | oh? |
| 20:38.40 | SuperPortia | Nvm. I thought it was miscategorized, but the category wasn't what I thought it was. |
| 20:44.21 | SuperPortia | Is it better to do something like { p1, p2, source = { type = "dungeon", blah, blah } } or { p1, p2, dungeon = { blah, blah } }? |
| 20:44.43 | SuperPortia | Where I want switch up what dungeon might be. |
| 20:44.51 | SuperPortia | Or it could be dungeon or raid or something. |
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| 20:47.07 | foxlit | whee, got the viscidus pet. |
| 20:59.27 | SuperPortia | Do heroic bosses and non-heroic bosses have different unitIDs? |
| 21:01.56 | Semlar | they have the same npc id |
| 21:02.09 | g0urra | foxlit: you're a mage aren't you |
| 21:02.15 | g0urra | or a dk.. |
| 21:02.53 | End_ | wands count, as does that one enchant |
| 21:03.20 | End_ | although someone with actual frost spells does have a pretty large advantage |
| 21:05.32 | SuperPortia | I'm trying to determine how you can determine if the boss is heroic or not. |
| 21:06.59 | foxlit | g0urra: druid. |
| 21:07.09 | g0urra | but..frost damage! |
| 21:07.15 | foxlit | elemental force. |
| 21:07.19 | g0urra | hax |
| 21:11.52 | Semlar | you check the difficulty of the raid you're in |
| 21:17.52 | Vlad| | Semlar: are you in-game atm? |
| 21:18.10 | Semlar | sort of |
| 21:18.27 | Vlad| | look at the azeroth (world map) |
| 21:18.38 | Vlad| | see how two icons for conquest and pvp are shown on the map? |
| 21:18.40 | Vlad| | on pandaria |
| 21:18.45 | Semlar | yeah |
| 21:18.45 | Vlad| | and the icons are always shown as you zoom in |
| 21:18.52 | Vlad| | we need more of that :P |
| 21:19.05 | Vlad| | if only quest related icons also appeared like that |
| 21:19.10 | Vlad| | giving you more overview ;) |
| 21:19.10 | Semlar | what, you mean you don't like how you can only see quests if you're looking at the zone |
| 21:19.20 | Vlad| | exactly, it's so annoying |
| 21:19.29 | Vlad| | if you track the quest, you obviously wanna see it on the map always |
| 21:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | i need to look into making the quest markers smaller |
| 21:19.56 | Mr_Rabies | they're so huge by default |
| 21:20.15 | Semlar | just replace them with the normal question mark |
| 21:20.54 | Semlar | although i think the circle bit might just be completely separate |
| 21:21.36 | Semlar | do you know what the exclamation points represent on the default map |
| 21:21.49 | Mr_Rabies | well, i mean the one on the world map |
| 21:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | the markers are so huge it's ridiculous |
| 21:22.45 | chiel | for some reason I keep getting errors in my tag function in oUF :( |
| 21:23.00 | chiel | only happens in party, always seems to have to do with the unit party2 |
| 21:23.08 | haste | probably because you are doing something wrong! :3 |
| 21:23.19 | chiel | yep :) |
| 21:23.29 | chiel | it tries to perform arithmetic on value r |
| 21:23.33 | chiel | in the HEx() function |
| 21:23.59 | Vlad| | check that the unit exists before doing stuff with its return values ;) |
| 21:24.11 | chiel | hm |
| 21:24.15 | chiel | I thought I did... maybe not :) |
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| 21:25.21 | chiel | ah no I just do unit = realUnit or unit |
| 21:25.53 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/WdBjX.jpg anyone know what this exclamation point represents |
| 21:26.08 | Dagmar | Ennui. |
| 21:26.37 | Dagmar | No wait... mans eternal battle against ennui. |
| 21:27.06 | Unkle | It's a quest hub indicator - you are qualified for a quest there, but no breadcrumb has taken you there. |
| 21:27.21 | Semlar | so they do show quest hubs on the map |
| 21:27.37 | Unkle | Yes, when you're qualified for them. |
| 21:28.01 | Semlar | so you don't need a giant database of quests to figure out where the quest hubs are |
| 21:28.36 | Unkle | Well, it doesn't show everything - like quests that start from a drop, auto-quests. |
| 21:29.16 | Semlar | if anything needs a giant circle behind it it's these exclamation points because they are not very obvious |
| 21:29.36 | Mr_Rabies | do you have loremaster, Semlar? |
| 21:29.36 | Unkle | they show up pretty well for me. *shrug* |
| 21:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 21:29.44 | Mr_Rabies | hrmm |
| 21:29.50 | Mr_Rabies | maybe it's in by default now |
| 21:30.00 | xyphoid_ | it's pretty cool, one thing i really liked about mists questing was the ability to go 'go away i can't be bothered with your quest' *ride somewhere else* |
| 21:30.01 | Mr_Rabies | i've got Loremaster installed, and it does that |
| 21:30.08 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 21:30.15 | Mr_Rabies | i hated the on-rails questing in cata |
| 21:30.16 | Semlar | no addons |
| 21:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | the phasing was cool, but it was too heavy-handed |
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| 21:30.32 | Mr_Rabies | they've gotten it perfect now |
| 21:30.33 | Semlar | well, one addon but it's mine |
| 21:30.48 | Arrowmaster | and steam linux beta email! |
| 21:30.53 | Mr_Rabies | now only to go back and fix the 1-58 quests again |
| 21:31.46 | Vlad| | Semlar: make it happen http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=270309 |
| 21:32.14 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:32.39 | Semlar | fine |
| 21:33.03 | Mr_Rabies | you could always have it hook into dbm/bigwigs/etc |
| 21:33.12 | Semlar | bleh |
| 21:33.15 | Vlad| | or I got a better idea |
| 21:33.30 | Vlad| | make an event fire when boss dies or have API to help tell you the instance progress :P |
| 21:33.38 | Mr_Rabies | and not necessarily be just loot roll, but just show the usable loot on command |
| 21:33.49 | AcidWeb | Somebody ingame now? |
| 21:33.55 | Semlar | sort of |
| 21:33.57 | AcidWeb | Please check value of MAX_ARENA_ENEMIES |
| 21:34.06 | Vlad| | nil |
| 21:34.10 | chiel | hmm, /fstack doesn't work for me? :/ |
| 21:34.26 | Vlad| | AcidWeb: nil |
| 21:34.33 | AcidWeb | sigh |
| 21:34.44 | Vlad| | LOD? |
| 21:34.54 | Adys | Arrowmaster: Steam beta invites are out for non-buntu distros |
| 21:34.57 | Adys | at least for arch |
| 21:35.35 | Semlar | https://github.com/Ketho/wow-ui-source/blob/ptr/AddOns/Blizzard_ArenaUI/Blizzard_ArenaUI.lua well that's odd |
| 21:35.45 | Semlar | maybe it's only available when the arena addon loads |
| 21:36.00 | AcidWeb | yep |
| 21:36.00 | Vlad| | LOD |
| 21:36.17 | Semlar | you can force it to load |
| 21:36.30 | AcidWeb | i dont need to do that |
| 21:36.36 | AcidWeb | just work on the timing |
| 21:36.46 | AcidWeb | my code triggered before MAX_ARENA_ENEMIES was set |
| 21:37.08 | Semlar | yeah you can just wait for Blizzard_ArenaUI in ADDON_LOADED |
| 21:38.16 | AcidWeb | And ofc that bug showed up after 354 arena games |
| 21:38.30 | Elkano | you could also set your addon to "load on demand" and "load with ArenaUI" |
| 21:38.52 | Vlad| | I dislike loadwidth |
| 21:38.59 | Vlad| | had experienced issues with SV that way |
| 21:39.03 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 21:39.05 | AcidWeb | In this case it is impossible Elkano |
| 21:39.05 | Elkano | or depend on ArenaUI to cause it being loaded |
| 21:39.12 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish the auction house had more filtering options |
| 21:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | like, filtering battle pets i already have |
| 21:39.19 | AcidWeb | as ArenaUI is only small part of my addon. |
| 21:39.24 | AcidWeb | anyway i fixed it already |
| 21:39.34 | Mr_Rabies | and companion pets i've learned on other characters |
| 21:39.36 | Vlad| | my users reported issues when I had a LOD with a blizzard LOD :P |
| 21:39.43 | Mr_Rabies | it filters ones i've learned on THIS character |
| 21:39.45 | Mr_Rabies | but not others |
| 21:39.50 | chiel | i wonder though why that error only ever happens on "party2" though |
| 21:40.17 | Semlar | is party1 you? |
| 21:40.25 | Semlar | or does it only go to 4 |
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| 21:41.26 | Vlad| | why does't unit group# exist? |
| 21:42.03 | Vlad| | for i=1,GetNumGroupMembers()do print(UnitName("group" .. i))end |
| 21:42.29 | Semlar | oh my god that event fires a lot |
| 21:42.57 | Semlar | i opened the dungeon journal and EJ_LOOT_DATA_RECIEVED (sp?) fired like 10 times |
| 21:42.57 | batbot | Semlar, RECEIVED, RELIEVED. |
| 21:43.08 | Semlar | they appear to have mispelled the event |
| 21:46.47 | Vlad| | outsorcing development of wow to 3rd world countries perhaps? :P |
| 21:47.00 | Vlad| | what we don't know is blizzard only has localization workers to fix their mistakes |
| 21:47.11 | Mr_Rabies | this is what happens when slouken leaves |
| 21:47.41 | Vlad| | blame obama? |
| 21:48.12 | Semlar | THANKS, OBAMA |
| 21:48.50 | SuperPortia | What are we thanking Obama for? |
| 21:49.04 | Vlad| | grammar |
| 21:49.06 | Mr_Rabies | damned healthcare making my events typoed, sending all those jobs overseas |
| 21:49.53 | Vlad| | I wouldn't be surprised of someone would believe that Mr_Rabies :P |
| 21:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | he gets blamed for everything out here in the boonies |
| 21:50.24 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 21:50.49 | Mr_Rabies | georgia politicians met about the possibility of obama using mind control to win the election |
| 21:51.01 | A-KO | it's in the water |
| 21:51.14 | SuperPortia | Gotta love Georgia. |
| 21:52.07 | Vlad| | what is the most normal state in US? |
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| 21:52.30 | A-KO | depends on what you mean by normal? |
| 21:52.36 | A-KO | probably the US northeast :P |
| 21:52.43 | Vlad| | most "down to earth" if you like - if you tell me the name of a state that is on the lowest "above sea" level then I'll smack you :P |
| 21:53.06 | Vlad| | doesn't believe everything on the TV, likes to think and not blindly follow others, e.g. |
| 21:53.07 | Dagmar | Vlad: According to the shrinks... Minnesota |
| 21:53.08 | SuperPortia | There isn't one. |
| 21:53.10 | Mr_Rabies | there really isn't one, all of them have idiosyncracies that will change your opinion of them based on your life experiences |
| 21:53.15 | Vlad| | government actually doing stuff for the public so forth |
| 21:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 21:53.25 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 21:53.40 | SuperPortia | I wouldn't call that normal. |
| 21:53.50 | Mr_Rabies | california would be, but they recently reversed their gay marriage law to block it |
| 21:53.56 | Mr_Rabies | and other stuff |
| 21:54.00 | SuperPortia | If you want to ask which states have the closest views to reality, you could probably find out. |
| 21:54.10 | Mr_Rabies | new york could be, but the NYPD is one of the most corrupt in the nation |
| 21:54.10 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 21:54.42 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 21:55.01 | Mr_Rabies | normal's way too subjective |
| 21:55.42 | Vlad| | I think gays should have the same rights that straight married couples do :) |
| 21:55.48 | Unkle | Normal usually means "what's most like what I'm used to." |
| 21:55.57 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know what vlad's used to |
| 21:56.05 | Vlad| | hehe |
| 21:56.11 | Vlad| | I am used to riding polar bears to school |
| 21:56.13 | SuperPortia | There are states where you can; and a bunch more legalized it recently. |
| 21:56.15 | Unkle | Me either. |
| 21:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | where do you live, vlad? |
| 21:56.23 | Vlad| | norway |
| 21:56.26 | SuperPortia | I suspect we're less than two years from national marriage equality. |
| 21:56.47 | Mr_Rabies | the closest state to norway politically is probably like...boston? |
| 21:56.51 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 21:56.52 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 21:56.53 | Mr_Rabies | boston |
| 21:56.57 | Mr_Rabies | massachutsetts |
| 21:56.57 | Vlad| | no clue |
| 21:56.58 | Unkle | Nothing here is like Norway, but you'll find many people of Norwegian descent in Minnesota. |
| 21:57.13 | Vlad| | norway is very social oriented |
| 21:57.19 | Mr_Rabies | massachusetts* |
| 21:57.23 | Vlad| | isn't that kind of what america stands against? :P |
| 21:57.38 | Mr_Rabies | america doesn't really stand against anything |
| 21:57.44 | Mr_Rabies | it's a huge country with a ton of variety |
| 21:57.49 | Unkle | Remember - Every one here was either born here, or came here because the rest of the world didn't work out for them. |
| 21:58.42 | Vlad| | just, when politics are involved feels like no one likes social things, everyone should pay for themselves, even when things are so uneven, everyone are born and if you are born in a crap situation they say you are responsible for it, kind of weird :P |
| 21:58.55 | Mr_Rabies | that's mostly just the political right |
| 21:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | the US is more right-of-center than most of europe, on average |
| 21:59.22 | Vlad| | wait isn't right social? |
| 21:59.25 | Vlad| | ah nvm |
| 21:59.29 | Vlad| | right is money :p |
| 21:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | mostly from very different modes of recovery from world war II |
| 21:59.34 | Vlad| | keep mixing |
| 21:59.49 | Unkle | And we have a history of people who want to pull themselves up and a strong streak of individualism. |
| 22:00.39 | Unkle | Our history is a really odd mix of effects that largely boil down to a rejection of the way the rest of the world worked. |
| 22:00.48 | Vlad| | don't know, just being handicapped because you are of a certain original or class, doesn't feel like a community to me if the government don't make it fair so those that want can get a shot at it ;) |
| 22:00.58 | Vlad| | origin* |
| 22:01.08 | Vlad| | (my auto spellcheck made into original lol) |
| 22:01.30 | Unkle | community means different things to different people. |
| 22:02.54 | Mr_Rabies | you'll find that most of the people that truly believe those things are in areas that severely lack good education |
| 22:03.13 | Mr_Rabies | those that spout it on tv just know fear's a good way to get elected and stay in office |
| 22:03.18 | Unkle | Remember, people came to the Americas for a large variety of reasons. Escape from political or religious persecution, the chance to own land. Some came as slaves (which is pretty shameful), some game as prisoners/exiles. Some game for gold or lumber or trade. |
| 22:03.27 | Vlad| | you are saying education makes you think less of yourself being a part of a community? lol |
| 22:03.37 | Vlad| | like it or not, you are a part of it |
| 22:03.54 | Mr_Rabies | lack of education makes people's worldview very small |
| 22:03.54 | Unkle | Mixing all of those things/reasons have resulted in a unique mix of influences. |
| 22:04.05 | Vlad| | that's true |
| 22:04.08 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 22:04.22 | Mr_Rabies | for instance, i was in a class in senior year of high school (age 18) |
| 22:04.34 | Mr_Rabies | and a girl in my class asked why we were talking about new england in a US history class |
| 22:04.49 | Vlad| | ( relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK0Y9j_CGgM ) |
| 22:05.01 | Vlad| | lol |
| 22:05.14 | Mr_Rabies | michio kaku is kind of a loon |
| 22:05.14 | Vlad| | US history is practically everything somewhat related to US |
| 22:05.22 | Mr_Rabies | he's got a lot of great ideas but his head's so in the clouds sometimes |
| 22:05.35 | Vlad| | I still like him :P |
| 22:05.40 | Vlad| | at least his heart is in the right place |
| 22:06.01 | Unkle | He's an interesting and intelligent thinker. |
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| 22:06.36 | Vlad| | I agree |
| 22:06.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 22:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | he's still too far out there sometimes |
| 22:06.54 | Mr_Rabies | i think he's just very passionate |
| 22:07.02 | Unkle | That's a good quality in a scientist. |
| 22:07.06 | Mr_Rabies | and kind of gets caught up in his speaking at times about things that excite him |
| 22:07.29 | Unkle | Try Clifford Stoll for eccentricity sometime. |
| 22:07.46 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes i kind of get this sort of vibe from kaku: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFKvgo7q6lw |
| 22:10.33 | Vlad| | Mr_Rabies: :P |
| 22:10.57 | Vlad| | I never got this weird sensation when listening to kaku |
| 22:11.07 | Vlad| | perhaps the issue is in you, Mr_Rabies? :P |
| 22:11.14 | Vlad| | *smirk* |
| 22:11.40 | Vlad| | teasing you |
| 22:12.36 | Vlad| | this dude was very passionate and weird with his examples :D |
| 22:13.43 | Vlad| | must be a parody lol |
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| 22:14.59 | Vlad| | ~hug Mr_Rabies |
| 22:14.59 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Mr_Rabies and suddenly hugs Mr_Rabies tightly |
| 22:18.01 | Vlad| | Semlar: why are the raid lock tooltips broken? |
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| 22:18.28 | Semlar | because |
| 22:23.15 | Semlar | um, i can't see a way to get the npc id of a boss from the encounter journal, would it be a bad idea to use their name |
| 22:23.16 | SuperPortia | Semlar: How can I get women to love me? |
| 22:23.32 | SuperPortia | That's fine. |
| 22:23.49 | Semlar | boss names are.. probably unique to the instance, right |
| 22:23.59 | SuperPortia | Yeah |
| 22:24.13 | Vlad| | SuperPortia: give them money |
| 22:24.20 | Vlad| | or you want the real way? |
| 22:25.15 | SuperPortia | So it looks like the structure is either, (Boss, NPC, or Object), (Dungeon, Raid or Zone), (Drop Chance) |
| 22:26.03 | Vlad| | sadly the EJ uses their own internal indexes |
| 22:26.04 | Semlar | i don't know about raids, but at least in rfc there appears to be no event triggered when you kill a boss other than the combat log |
| 22:26.10 | Vlad| | only proper ID's is the itemID rewards :p |
| 22:26.20 | Vlad| | that's true Semlar |
| 22:26.23 | Semlar | so i was thinking just look for the death event with the same name |
| 22:26.23 | Vlad| | and many bosses don't die either |
| 22:26.39 | Vlad| | many bosses run off or don't die :P |
| 22:26.43 | Semlar | so i was thinking track when you've entered a fight with a boss with the same name |
| 22:26.53 | chiel | haste: any idea why that arithmetic crap only seems to happen for the unit "party2" though? |
| 22:26.55 | Vlad| | yells, emotes, e.g. must be tracked |
| 22:26.57 | chiel | it's so weird. |
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| 22:28.36 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i traced the loot window back to the guid of the unit though |
| 22:28.56 | Semlar | i can get the name out of the guid.. |
| 22:28.59 | Vlad| | LFR has no loot window |
| 22:29.21 | Vlad| | and what if you aren't looting the corpse but rolling :P |
| 22:29.23 | Semlar | no way to identify anything from the rolls? |
| 22:29.31 | SuperPortia | I think bosses also have a heroic icon next to them if it only drops in the heroic dungeon. |
| 22:29.43 | Vlad| | sadly Semlar :( |
| 22:29.55 | Semlar | ha that's what you think |
| 22:30.02 | Semlar | that's what you get for thinking inside the box! |
| 22:30.17 | Semlar | i can compare what dropped to the loot tables from the encounter journal |
| 22:30.18 | SuperPortia | Inside the box thinking. Woot! |
| 22:30.41 | Semlar | then i can get the encounter from that |
| 22:30.57 | SuperPortia | Basically it's this screen and the source information that I would like to be able to get: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/pet-mount/mount#source=source-drop |
| 22:31.02 | Vlad| | what if it's an item dropped by several bosses? |
| 22:31.14 | SuperPortia | I don't think there are any. |
| 22:31.15 | Vlad| | some few encounters share loot tables, could be the same for future bosses |
| 22:31.17 | Semlar | yes there are |
| 22:31.24 | SuperPortia | There are? |
| 22:31.43 | SuperPortia | What mounts are shared? |
| 22:31.45 | Semlar | i know in lfr they shared class tokens |
| 22:31.57 | SuperPortia | I meant specifically mouns |
| 22:31.59 | SuperPortia | mounts |
| 22:32.02 | Vlad| | or for example 3 bosses with 2 items shared and 2 unique items limited to each boss |
| 22:32.17 | Vlad| | meaning those 2 items can drop of all the bosses but some items are limited to specific bosses :P |
| 22:32.20 | xyphoid_ | aren't the mounts in VOA shared? |
| 22:32.23 | Semlar | me and vlad are trying to get the loot table of whatever boss we just killed |
| 22:32.36 | xyphoid_ | the mammoth thingy |
| 22:32.38 | SuperPortia | You both on the same server? |
| 22:33.04 | SuperPortia | The other option is "World Drop" |
| 22:33.06 | Semlar | no he wants me to make an addon that shows you what COULD have dropped from the boss you just killed for your class |
| 22:33.17 | SuperPortia | Ah |
| 22:34.37 | Semlar | i can't believe there's no way to get the npc id from the encounter journal |
| 22:35.05 | Semlar | oh well, i guess it doesn't matter that much |
| 22:35.20 | Vlad| | well Semlar |
| 22:35.24 | Vlad| | can at least do one thing |
| 22:35.53 | Vlad| | get the items from the raid, limit by class, role, spec, then make a dialog say all the bosses and all the items from those bosses :P |
| 22:36.02 | Vlad| | and substract what was detected in your bags/bank from before |
| 22:36.16 | Vlad| | or alpha those or something, just to make it a bit easier than opening the EJ whenthe coin popup is opened |
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| 22:36.53 | Semlar | alright |
| 22:36.59 | Semlar | that's what i have already |
| 22:37.01 | SuperPortia | Useful: http://us.battle.net/api/wow/data/character/races |
| 22:42.05 | Semlar | vlad: http://pastebin.com/SKW7Uvi3 |
| 22:43.08 | chiel | hm |
| 22:43.15 | chiel | does blizzard have many apis like that? |
| 22:43.23 | Vlad| | yes |
| 22:43.25 | SuperPortia | They have a lot. |
| 22:43.49 | Semlar | i would probably drop the specid thing |
| 22:43.49 | SuperPortia | Semlar, there has to be a way to get the boss information even it's just waiting for you to target it and then waiting for an event for the boss to die. |
| 22:44.21 | SuperPortia | The DBM style mods know when you're fighting and who you're fighting. |
| 22:44.35 | Vlad| | but |
| 22:44.35 | Semlar | yeah.. but dbm tracks something different for each boss |
| 22:44.43 | Vlad| | Semlar: if I didn't open the EJ the EJ_GetNumLoot() is 0 |
| 22:44.48 | Vlad| | probably some query that must happen? |
| 22:44.52 | Semlar | no |
| 22:45.00 | SuperPortia | They don't just listen to who's been targeted? |
| 22:45.01 | Semlar | this works without opening the encounter journal |
| 22:45.06 | Vlad| | sure? |
| 22:45.09 | Vlad| | I tested it |
| 22:45.12 | Vlad| | and it didn't work :P |
| 22:45.14 | SuperPortia | No :Show() |
| 22:45.19 | Vlad| | worked after I opened EJ this session |
| 22:45.20 | Semlar | i am absolutely sure it's working in rfc right now |
| 22:45.32 | Semlar | without the EJ loaded even |
| 22:45.39 | SuperPortia | Is EJ load on demand? |
| 22:45.43 | Semlar | yeah |
| 22:45.50 | Semlar | but its functions aren't |
| 22:46.09 | Semlar | you can't just call EJ_GetNumLoot without the previous stuff though |
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| 22:47.24 | Vlad| | yeah worked |
| 22:47.29 | Vlad| | nvm |
| 22:47.34 | Vlad| | lemme try restart wow :P |
| 22:47.37 | Vlad| | to clear internal cache |
| 22:47.37 | Semlar | should just be EJ_SetLootFilter(classID) though |
| 22:47.50 | Semlar | i'm not sure about restricting it by spec |
| 22:47.51 | Vlad| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.05 | Semlar | you're trying to cram it all into a macro |
| 22:48.34 | Vlad| | just for testing |
| 22:48.50 | Semlar | sigh |
| 22:48.53 | Vlad| | why? :P |
| 22:49.08 | Vlad| | ok booting up the game again |
| 22:49.12 | Semlar | anyway it's like.. most of the addon |
| 22:49.16 | Vlad| | I am in pandaria so it should say the pandaria raid loot |
| 22:49.34 | Semlar | yeah good luck getting a valid instance id from pandaria |
| 22:49.58 | Vlad| | it does |
| 22:49.59 | Vlad| | :) |
| 22:50.03 | Semlar | really? |
| 22:50.05 | Vlad| | yes |
| 22:50.09 | Semlar | :| |
| 22:50.12 | Vlad| | because they got a raid named "Pandaria" |
| 22:50.18 | Vlad| | for both world bosses :P |
| 22:50.25 | Vlad| | doesn't work |
| 22:50.26 | Vlad| | :P |
| 22:50.32 | Vlad| | restarted the game to clear all internal cache |
| 22:50.40 | Vlad| | logged in and used the code but no results |
| 22:50.44 | Semlar | doesn't work where |
| 22:50.51 | Vlad| | but it worked again the 2nd time |
| 22:50.57 | Vlad| | first iteration it must cache |
| 22:51.02 | Vlad| | hence why it didn't work |
| 22:51.11 | Semlar | there's probably an event you have to wait for |
| 22:51.23 | Semlar | like the loot one that they spelled wrong |
| 22:51.24 | Vlad| | each also |
| 22:51.29 | Vlad| | also there is a issue |
| 22:51.58 | Semlar | i have to go in about ten minutes |
| 22:52.09 | Vlad| | by default it only shows the mounts |
| 22:52.13 | Vlad| | :P |
| 22:52.22 | Semlar | huh? |
| 22:52.25 | Vlad| | if I manually select my role it properly shows items too |
| 22:52.33 | Vlad| | you should test it yourself while in pandaria ;) |
| 22:52.42 | Semlar | i'm in rfc |
| 22:52.46 | Semlar | that's too far to walk |
| 22:52.49 | Vlad| | I know |
| 22:52.50 | Vlad| | later :P |
| 22:53.10 | Mr_Rabies | vlad, yeah that's a parody :p |
| 22:53.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's tim and eric, they're...weird dudes |
| 22:53.25 | Vlad| | hehe :D |
| 22:53.54 | Semlar | also this is mostly just a test of the EJ api functions |
| 22:54.00 | Semlar | since i don't know what the hell any of them do |
| 22:54.08 | Vlad| | me neither |
| 22:54.33 | Vlad| | btw blizzard gotta fix the spell API unless they wish to hardcode all the spell details in their EJ entries :P |
| 22:54.33 | Semlar | doesn't appear to work inside of the shrine |
| 22:54.47 | Semlar | EJ_GetCurrentInstance() returns 0 |
| 22:54.48 | Vlad| | walk outside |
| 22:55.02 | Vlad| | mine is 322 but I am in the valley too |
| 22:56.26 | Semlar | yeah valley of the four winds has an id |
| 22:56.39 | Semlar | which by the way appears to be based on what the world map is set to |
| 22:56.44 | Semlar | so that's something to think about |
| 22:56.53 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 22:57.10 | Vlad| | funny how everything is connected to the world map |
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| 22:57.43 | Semlar | all the functions about where you are just return based on what the map is set to |
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| 22:57.56 | Semlar | at least it's consistant |
| 22:57.57 | Vlad| | missleading :D |
| 22:58.00 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 22:58.10 | Vlad| | but it assumes you aren't moving the map focus around in other zones ^^ |
| 22:58.15 | Semlar | it also means i could set the map to another zone and get its instance id |
| 22:58.21 | Vlad| | jupp |
| 23:00.20 | Semlar | alright i'll be back on my tablet |
| 23:00.23 | Vlad| | :D |
| 23:00.28 | Vlad| | it's midnight here |
| 23:00.34 | Vlad| | is it work time for you, Semlar? |
| 23:00.39 | Semlar | dinner time |
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| 23:00.51 | SuperPortia | The API has sources: "itemSource":{"sourceId":186648,"sourceType":"GAME_OBJECT_DROP"} |
| 23:00.52 | Semlar | well, it's complicated |
| 23:01.08 | Vlad| | ah |
| 23:01.17 | Vlad| | SuperPortia what are you on about? :P |
| 23:01.24 | Vlad| | drive by json lol |
| 23:01.46 | SuperPortia | We were trying to figure out how to get the sources of items and it has them right there in the API. |
| 23:01.54 | SuperPortia | sourceID and sourceType |
| 23:02.02 | Mr_Rabies | i was trying to figure out what EJ stood for |
| 23:02.10 | SuperPortia | Encounter Journal |
| 23:02.24 | mikma | elitist jerks lullullull |
| 23:02.28 | Mr_Rabies | like, i knew what you were talking about, but i couldn't figure out what E was |
| 23:03.00 | Mr_Rabies | they probably changed it from encounter journal since that sounds like something else entirely |
| 23:03.12 | Humbedooh | hrr |
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| 23:05.30 | Kaylin | E is estrogen. |
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| 23:11.20 | Vlad| | everyone left :( |
| 23:11.35 | Vlad| | ah wait only one left |
| 23:15.10 | Vlad| | anyone pet battling here? :P |
| 23:15.26 | SuperPortia | A bit. |
| 23:15.35 | Vlad| | take a look at nuke http://vlacula.no-ip.com/nuke.mp4 :D |
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| 23:18.00 | SuperPortia | The problem is he can only do that every four turns |
| 23:18.05 | SuperPortia | it can. |
| 23:18.12 | SuperPortia | I like the OP Pandaren monk |
| 23:18.27 | SuperPortia | two round combo for 900 |
| 23:18.34 | SuperPortia | Though yours does stun |
| 23:19.40 | Vlad| | :D |
| 23:19.58 | Vlad| | it's not a huge issue as it probably gets rid of one mob, or half it's health easily :P |
| 23:20.08 | Vlad| | good when fighting mobs I don't have strong attacks against |
| 23:20.45 | Semlar_ | i'm here, i just have a very slow onscreen keyboard |
| 23:20.53 | Vlad| | LOL |
| 23:21.15 | Vlad| | btw SuperPortia |
| 23:21.19 | Vlad| | it's awesome when it crits :P |
| 23:21.22 | Vlad| | that 950 dmg :P |
| 23:21.35 | SuperPortia | I know. |
| 23:21.37 | Vlad| | now need a pet to buff crit for 3+ rounds |
| 23:21.43 | Vlad| | then do this combo lol |
| 23:21.45 | Vlad| | or I can actually |
| 23:21.51 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 23:21.59 | SuperPortia | I like hitting dragons for 1200 or crit for 1800 |
| 23:22.12 | Vlad| | with that combo? |
| 23:24.22 | durcyn | Vlad|: http://www.wowhead.com/petability=362 |
| 23:24.35 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 23:24.49 | Gnarfoz | nice tooltip |
| 23:25.05 | Vlad| | it's about getting the rounds to properly overlap and benefit each other :P |
| 23:25.11 | Vlad| | testing if this works |
| 23:25.26 | SuperPortia | How much more damage do you want to do? |
| 23:25.32 | Vlad| | yeah hehe |
| 23:25.34 | Vlad| | crystal overload |
| 23:25.39 | Vlad| | hits 1300 atm |
| 23:26.12 | Vlad| | first Elementium Bolt; after 2 rounds BOM 648 Dragon damage. |
| 23:26.28 | Vlad| | but then I do a normal attack, and as my 3rd round I do Crystal Overload |
| 23:26.44 | Vlad| | "Your next attack deals double damage, but deals 162 Elemental damage to you." |
| 23:26.45 | Vlad| | :P |
| 23:26.56 | Vlad| | the "dot tick" counts as "your next attack" :P |
| 23:28.36 | Vlad| | here is what I mean |
| 23:28.55 | Vlad| | (1) Elementium Bolt (2) Regular attack (3) Crystal Overload |
| 23:29.16 | Vlad| | result is devestating |
| 23:30.16 | Vlad| | the enemy has great confidense when buffing survival as their first move :P lol |
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