IRC log for #wowuidev on 20121204

00:00.16Arrowmasterand i burnt a coaster
00:06.07xyphoid_i'm enjoying cinnamon
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01:09.12Vlad|played 2 rounds of monopoly
01:09.17Vlad|no Minifernal spawns :p
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01:18.51cogwheelmmmm new office http://speedtest.net/result/2349476762.png
01:24.12wereHamstercogwheel: there is still 1% that is faster!
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01:42.43Thunder_Child40 megs a second's not bad
01:42.55Thunder_Childs/'s/ is/
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02:04.16DagmarDaaaaamn.  Steam's new "Big Picture Mode" is really something else
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02:28.24durcynstill think they aren't aiming themselves squarely at consoles?
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02:37.28Semlaralright what do you guys think http://www.ebay.com/itm/200858634678
02:37.35Semlarshould i buy it or wait around for a better offer
02:48.38Arrowmasteri ended up doing it again, while in grmls X i pressed shift backspace while entering my WPA key
02:50.17Arrowmasterwith as often as i enter this damn thing while using grml, one day ill remember it
02:53.08Arrowmasterthat or maybe ill look for the usb ethernet adapter i used to use for my highschool issued laptop and see if i can make a wireless to ethernet bridge using my n7, a usb-otg cable, and a usb to ethernet adapter
02:53.53Arrowmasteri should totally do that because it would be awesome yet completely unneeded
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03:42.00SuperPortiaQuick question about saved variables and formatting.
03:42.06SuperPortiaI've got this:
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03:42.18SuperPortiaMountDB[spellID] = {             ["creatureID"] = creatureID,             ["creatureName"] = creatureName,             ["spellID"] = spellID,             ["icon"] = icon         }
03:42.28SuperPortiaBut the output is:
03:42.47SuperPortiaMountDB = {      [127293] = {           ["icon"] = "Interface\\Icons\\ability_mount_pandaranmountepic",           ["spellID"] = 127293,           ["creatureID"] = 65071,           ["creatureName"] = "Great Green Dragon Turtle",      },
03:43.01SuperPortiaOh nevermind
03:43.06SuperPortiaIt worked that time.
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03:43.39Semlarisn't that the expected output
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03:44.13SuperPortiaIs there a more concise way to say { ["icon"] = "icon data" }?
03:45.25Semlarwell, i think you could do { icon = 'icon data' }
03:46.06Semlaryou can do MountDB[spellID].icon = 'data'
03:46.38Semlarthat being said you don't need to store the path to the icon
03:46.47Semlaryou can get it from the spell id
03:47.01Semlaryou also don't need to store the spell id inside the table because the key is the spell id
03:47.50SuperPortiaThis was a practice run, not the final thing.
03:47.55SuperPortiaBut good advice.
03:48.43SuperPortiaThough I might keep the spellID in the table so that I can just pass the table around.
03:49.19Semlaryou could add it at the time you wanted to send it somewhere
03:49.29Semlarit's pretty redundant to store it
03:50.14Semlarit's not going to take up that much space though so you can make the table however you want
03:51.33Semlari would just do like MountDB[spellID] = { name = 'turtle', id = 65071 }
03:52.49SuperPortiaOut of curiosity do you have a /console reloadui macro in easy reach?
03:52.59Semlaryou can type /reload
03:53.39Semlaror you could put that in a macro
03:54.25Semlari think macros just literally send the text one line at a time as if you were typing them into the chat
03:55.30SuperPortiaThey do
03:55.48SuperPortiaThere's some extra stuff in there in terms of #directives, but otherwise they're pretty simple.
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04:24.24SuperPortiaIs there a good up-to-date resource for creating slash commands?
04:27.32NeffiNo need to be up to date. The system hasnt changed in ages
04:27.40NeffiSLASH_somevarname1 = '/something';
04:27.42kd3nothing's wrong with the wowpedia article... http://www.wowpedia.org/Creating_a_slash_command
04:27.44Neffi2, 3, 4, etc
04:28.01NeffiSlashCmdList['somevarname'] = function(input, editbox) --[[...]] end
04:28.12Neffiinput = everything put in after the '/slash '
04:28.16Neffieditbox = edit box used
04:30.46SuperPortiaIs the SLASH_ prefix important?
04:31.02Semlaryep
04:31.31NeffiWhen you run a slash command, the game looks through all SLASH_ variables. If it finds one to match, it memoizes it
04:31.54NeffiThen looks in the SlashCmdList tables for a key exactly matching the "somevarname" part
04:32.01Nefficaps-sensitive of course
04:32.03SuperPortiaAnd the extra W?
04:32.07Neffiw?
04:32.17SuperPortia-- 2. Pick /hiw and /hellow as slash commands (/hi and /hello are actual emotes) SLASH_HELLOWORLD1, SLASH_HELLOWORLD2 = '/hiw', '/hellow'; -- 3.
04:32.22Semlarno
04:32.28kd3oh, because /hi and /hello are built-in commands
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04:32.39kd3so the example uses new commands, /hiw and /hellow
04:32.47Semlarthe w is for world as in hello world
04:32.49Neffilemme give you a paste example
04:32.49SuperPortiaoh
04:32.53SuperPortiaThat makes more sense.
04:33.07Semlarthey should have just written out world
04:33.27kd3it's a wiki, you can edit it to make it better
04:33.34Semlarthat sounds like effort..
04:33.38Neffihttp://pastebin.com/hCYr96G5
04:33.39DagmarThey could always change it to something more intuitive for players like /fap and /racism
04:33.55DagmarDoesn't seem like a real good solution tho
04:34.31Semlari like the format function SlashCmdList.RELOADUI() better
04:35.17Neffiit can confuse new people
04:35.25Semlarbut it's pretty
04:35.26Neffiif you're specifically inserting into a table, I like to denote so
04:35.41Neffiwhereas your format makes it look like a namespace of yours
04:35.57Semlari claim all the space in the name of my addon
04:36.10Neffisets Semlar's _G to {};
04:36.21Neffiall your space are belong to null
04:36.25Semlarone time i looped through _G and hooked every function
04:36.36Semlarof which there are apparently thousands
04:36.47Semlarthe game was extremely unhappy
04:36.48Neffilike 40k I believe
04:37.11Neffione time I did this:  getfenv = function() return _G end
04:37.13Semlari think it just locked up and never started again
04:37.15Neffinothing bad happened
04:37.25SuperPortiaIf you don't need more than one version of a slash command is the 1 requires?
04:37.26SuperPortiarequired?
04:37.30Semlaryes
04:37.35Neffialso getglobal = function(...) return _G[(...)] end
04:37.38Neffii didnt even notice taint
04:37.52SemlarUnitHealth = function()
04:38.07Neffimath.random = function() return 4 end
04:38.29Semlaryou know i replaced the unit health function and only managed to taint the target of target frame..
04:38.33Neffiguaranteed to taint the macro infrastructure
04:38.42Neffi*that you noticed*
04:38.43Semlaror at least that's the only thing that stopped working
04:39.10Semlarit had to have tainted just every single unit frame
04:39.20Neffiand everything that touches a unit frame
04:39.25Semlarbut they still functioned
04:39.27Neffiand recursively
04:39.35Semlar..i think
04:40.04Semlarit was an experiment to reduce every number in the game by a certain amount
04:40.13NeffiI remember I sent my UI to a friend once with a built-in hijack command to fuck with their UI
04:40.21Neffiit was hilarious to black our their screen when they were PvPing
04:40.29Semlari ended up hooking the SetText method for the fontstring metatable
04:40.40Semlarnow that tainted everything
04:40.42SuperPortiaThe magic of the just declared variables was what was geting me.
04:40.43Neffithat's not good
04:41.32NeffiSuperPortia: Yeah, the game scans _G for all "SLASH_xN" formatted globals when you run a slash-command not yet recognized
04:41.41Neffiif it finds a matching slash command, it then remembers it
04:41.48Semlari'm still mad about not being able to get at the built in scrolling combat text
04:41.54Semlarit ruined everything
04:42.06NeffiI'm still mad that I can't just remove all the existing FrameXML
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04:42.40Semlardoes it really scan for SLASH_ commands because they're in the slash command list
04:42.59Neffilemme find you the code
04:43.25Semlardo you mean it iterates over like all of _G
04:43.35Semlarbecause that seems like a bad way to do it
04:45.01Semlarfor k,v in pairs(_G) do if type(v) == 'function' then hooksecurefunc(v, myfunction) end end
04:45.59SuperPortiaok pairs vs. ipairs.... Go.
04:46.38Semlaripairs only iterates from 1 to whatever sequential numbers it finds
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04:46.53SuperPortiagotcha
04:47.05Semlarso if it's not an array or it's missing indexes it'll stop at the highest number
04:47.29Semlarlike 1-5 8-10 will stop at 5
04:47.29SuperPortiaWhen is that beneficial?
04:48.03Semlari think it orders the list
04:48.22Semlarso if you want to make sure it iterates over a numerical array in order ipairs probably does it
04:48.26Neffiok
04:48.48NeffiSo any time a slash command is run and it's not immediately recognized, it actually iterates over EVERY slash command and remembers them
04:48.49Semlarexcept you could do the same thing with a for i=1,#table loop
04:48.53Neffiiterating over _G for each one
04:48.57Neffiso a lot
04:48.58Neffiyes
04:48.58Neffihttp://pastebin.com/1xKDXZyp
04:49.08Neffithat function is run with 1st arg being SlashCmdList
04:49.33SuperPortiaAnd that's why the numbers are important.
04:49.48Neffi2nd being an internal table to remember the slash cmd by, which it checks first (so subsequent inputs of the same slash command don't iterate _G again)
04:50.00Semlarcache
04:50.11Neffiwell yes
04:50.16Neffisort of
04:50.37Neffiso it's not iterating over all of _G, I was wrong
04:50.40Neffiit used to do that I believe
04:50.46Neffibut it's still an expensive call
04:51.00Semlarcould be worse
04:51.08Nefficould be better
04:51.18Neffilike an actual API for this kinda shit
04:51.45Semlarseems like the slash commands could just point directly to the function
04:52.02SuperPortiaSlash commands were probably created pretty early
04:52.20Neffiseems like we should just have a function RegisterSlashCmd(cmd1, cmd2, cmd3, ..., function() end)
04:52.24SuperPortiaAnd didn't benefit from the experience from later coding efforts.
04:52.30Neffiindeed
04:52.35Neffilike most of FrameXML
04:52.56SuperPortiaOr RegisterSlashCommand({ cmd1, cmd2, cmd3 }, function() end)
04:53.01Neffiand then you get new shit following old patterns where it seems like new programmers made it
04:53.07Semlarwhat if i just added my function directly to getmetatable(SlashCmdList).__index
04:53.23Neffiyou risk breaking things
04:53.35NeffiThe structure might later change, you might be missing some magic somewhere, etc
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04:53.54NeffiI don't see taint implications, but it's still a bad idea to intentionally work against the grain
04:54.13Semlarit's not really clean enough to be worth the effort
04:54.19Neffiaye
04:54.23Neffilike so much of FrameXML
04:55.01Semlarso anyway, 16gb of laptop memory is only like $60
04:55.15Semlarthat has come down quite a bit
04:56.14SuperPortiaThat's what I have in mine.
04:56.42SuperPortiaAnd 16GB in my desktop
04:56.44Semlarit's been like 4 years since i rebuilt my desktop and it only has 8
04:56.59Semlarit's ancient
04:57.13SuperPortia(oh, The SetDisplayInfo(displayID) worked perfectly.
04:57.19Semlargood
04:57.42SuperPortiaI'm not sure, I might have left room for another 16GB in my desktop, but currently I'm having trouble filling the memory I have.
04:57.53Semlari need to decide whether i should buy a laptop without a discrete gpu
04:58.11SuperPortiaI'm still not sure they're there.
04:58.13Neffiwill you be gaming?
04:58.17Semlarnah
04:58.29Neffiwell my Sandy Bridge laptop handles WoW pretty well
04:58.37NeffiIvy Bridge would handle it probably on ultra
04:58.37Semlari'm looking at getting an x220 or x230
04:58.44NeffiI like my x220
04:58.50NeffiI'd get the 230 for the Ivy Bridge
04:58.58Neffithe GPU boost would be nice for MoP
04:59.09Semlarthe 230 is a bigger number..
04:59.14SuperPortiaIt is.
04:59.23Neffiby a whole 10. the choice is obvious.
04:59.26SuperPortiaLook at our superior math skills.
04:59.38Neffi!lua 230 > 220
04:59.39batbotNeffi: > true
04:59.39Semlarbut it has a different keyboard
04:59.40SemlarDIFFERENT!
04:59.46Neffi!lua '230' > '220'
04:59.47batbotNeffi: > true
04:59.54Neffi!lua 'x230' > 'x220'
04:59.54batbotNeffi: > true
05:00.00Semlar!lua 'me' > 'you'
05:00.01batbotSemlar: > false
05:00.06NeffiI hear the keyboard on the x230 is quite good
05:00.06Semlar:|
05:00.15NeffiThe x220's decent, but it's not the orgasm people claim
05:00.19Semlari think batbot is broken
05:00.24NeffiThinkpad fanboys are just rabid autists
05:00.56NeffiI wouldn't intentionally get the slower, lower-battery-life model just to get the old-style keyboard.
05:01.11Semlari want a 14" or smaller laptop with decent processing power and a long battery life and is well built
05:01.20NeffiThe x230
05:01.56Semlarwell the 220s are usually cheaper, i'm probably going to get a used one on ebay because i'm poooor
05:02.00NeffiWell built is the keyword. You can get a cheaper laptop with the same CPU and battery life, and it wont stand up like this thing will.
05:02.08NeffiI've dropped it so many times and it doesn't even show a mark
05:02.13Neffion concrete no less
05:02.38Semlarthat's why i was looking at lenovos because a lot of laptops i look at look pretty cheap
05:03.00NeffiAye. Even Asus' are cheaply made nowadays.
05:03.07NeffiHard to trust PC manufacturers
05:03.24NeffiYou won't regret an X series. I love mine.
05:03.28Semlari also like the look of the thinkpads
05:03.50Semlareven if it never changes
05:03.50SuperPortia(Side note: I was having an internet argument about women game developers and this guy tangented and stated that Revenge of the Sith was the best piece of art in the last 30 years. At that point I think I just thought he was cookoo.)
05:04.11SuperPortiaI love my girlfriend's ASUS
05:04.20kd3completely read that wrong
05:04.33SuperPortiaI bet you did.
05:04.42NeffiAsus' are definitely higher end than Acers and other shit. But they're no Lenovo.
05:04.49SuperPortiaStop staring at my girlfriend's ASUS
05:05.00Neffichuckles.
05:05.03SuperPortiaYeah, but they're not as expensive as Lenovo either.
05:05.27NeffiYou get what you pay for
05:05.34Semlarthat is so true
05:05.46SuperPortiaSometimes you get less, but the principle holds.
05:05.50NeffiIf I were rich I might get a retina MBP and just wipe travestyOS off it
05:06.49Semlari was almost considering a mac with boot camp but i don't think i could find one in the right price range
05:07.21Semlarand i don't really like the look of the macbook pros
05:07.22NeffiPrice-value curve is too high unless you really have ridiculous cash to blow
05:07.30NeffiThey're seriously not close to worth the cost
05:07.38Semlari did like the black version of the old plastic shell macbooks
05:07.46NeffiNor do I but I like the build quality, screen and battery life
05:08.17NeffiAnd the trackpad is actually good
05:08.23Neffia good trackpad is so rare
05:08.47Semlarhttp://static.flickr.com/59/155020370_b49f699d14.jpg that's what the one from like 2006 looked like
05:09.24NeffiAye my friend had that one
05:09.27Neffinice looking machine
05:09.45NeffiI gotta say I love the more conservative Apple style, just not the silver flavor of it
05:09.50Semlari think the aluminum macbook pros look kind of weird with the black keyboards
05:10.30Semlarthe silver keyboards looked better but i think i would prefer the whole thing were a different color
05:11.50Semlarlike maybe thinkpad colored with a thinkpad logo and made by lenovo
05:12.10Semlaroh i should get a thinkpad
05:14.11Semlari'll keep an eye out for 230s
05:14.37Semlari don't know if i should wait until after the holidays and maybe get a better deal though
05:16.46Neffi"save 10% through dec 5"
05:16.54Neffinot sure what itll be like after the holidays
05:17.26Semlari figure if i'm going to get a used one anyway people will be getting new stuff and selling their old ones
05:18.14Neffiperhaps
05:19.02Semlari've seen the x220s go from $4-500 on the low end and the x230s maybe $600
05:20.41SuperPortiaIs there an ordinal case-insensitive string compare for Lua?
05:20.56Semlaryou could lower both strings
05:21.38SuperPortiaThat's generally not a good idea for localized strings
05:21.58SuperPortiaUpper is mildly better, but still not good.
05:22.02Semlarshouldn't it have the same effect on both strings?
05:22.24SuperPortiaDepends on the language.
05:22.57SuperPortiaIn English, yes.
05:23.01Neffithere's a pure-Lua lib floating around that adds string.utf8upper, string.utf8lower, etc
05:23.05Neffisome addons use it
05:23.06SuperPortiaOther languages have special rules.
05:23.44SuperPortiaI'm looking for the equivalent of the C# string.Compare(str1, str2, StringComparison.OrdinalIngoreCase)
05:24.17Semlarlua is not going to have something like that, you're going to have to write it or find it
05:24.39SuperPortiaGotcha.
05:24.55SuperPortiaI take it slash commands don't get localized.
05:25.09Semlarthey're whatever you make them
05:25.56SuperPortiaI'm talking more about convention
05:26.21Semlarwell i guess you could provide localization for them
05:26.41bluspacecowhttp://theoatmeal.com/comics/keyboard
05:26.43bluspacecowlol
05:27.17Semlari hadn't really thought about it
05:29.15SuperPortiaFew languages deal with stuff like that well.
05:29.28SuperPortiaBasically only the ones that have to deal with many languages.
05:29.46SuperPortiaReally it's the Eastern European and Asian languages that slap you around.
05:29.51Semlaryet another problem solved by not offering the ability to change anything about my addon
05:31.03Semlarwell the asian languages that i know don't even have capital/lowercase letters
05:31.15SuperPortiaThere are a lot of Asian languages.
05:31.31Semlarwell i can vouch for japanese and chinese
05:31.32SuperPortiaYou can start getting into some esoteric ones.
05:31.45SuperPortiaPopular, but only two of like 60 or some crazy number.
05:31.57SuperPortiaI don't even know what it is, but there are a lot just in Asia.
05:33.42Semlari can't really see case factoring into very many of the pictographic languages
05:34.05SuperPortiaThere actually aren't that many pictographic languages.
05:34.53Semlara lot of the asian ones are
05:34.59Semlarkorean
05:35.15Semlarchinese covers quite a bit
05:35.24SuperPortiaA lot of people use them, but in terms of quantity of langauges they're far out-numbered.
05:35.42SuperPortiaVietnamese isn't pictographic.
05:35.53SuperPortiaKorean isn't either.
05:36.04SuperPortiaIt just looks like it is.
05:37.32SuperPortiaThai,Lao, Shan, Khmer... not pictographic.
05:37.35Semlarright, but it doesn't have case
05:37.43SuperPortiaNo it doesn't.
05:38.12SuperPortiaKorean's a weird beast being one of the few languages that was designed as opposed to being evolved naturally.
05:38.42SuperPortiaCan you tell part of my training is creating interfaces for multiple languages? ;)
05:40.10SuperPortiaLanguages that use Latin, Cyrillic, or Greek scripts will have upper and lower-case.
05:40.34SuperPortiaI want to say Vietnamese does, but I think that's because it's partially derived from French.
05:41.14Semlarthe extent of my foreign language knowledge is japanese and chinese by extension
05:41.54SuperPortiaMy knowledge isn't speaking it, but understanding their structure.
05:42.05SuperPortiaI'm actually really bad at learning foreign languages.
05:42.32Semlari think it gets easier the more languages you learn
05:42.34SuperPortiaMine's a fairly international family though.
05:43.19Semlari can understand a decent amount of japanese and speak some but reading and writing is a bit more complicated
05:43.21SuperPortiaMy dad's side of the family is French. My mom's is American. I was engaged to a South Korean native and spent a decent amount of time there. My brother dated a native German woman for awhile.
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05:43.39SuperPortiaI studied Japanese for one semester and decided I was never going to get it
05:43.43SuperPortiaKorean is a lot easier.
05:43.50Semlara class would probably help
05:44.02Semlari just study in my own time
05:44.35Semlarthere are a lot of kanji though
05:44.43SuperPortiaI had either years of French. Didn't help
05:45.04Semlaryou could learn ten characters a day and it would still take a year to learn the common ones
05:45.27SuperPortia1800 Kanji to be considered literate I think.
05:45.39Semlarmaybe
05:45.53Semlarthere are at least 3000 common characters and a lot more than that
05:46.20Semlarif you want to read like newspapers and stuff
05:46.36SuperPortiaWell basically it's Chinese.
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05:47.04Semlarpretty much, the characters were taken from chinese but don't necessarily mean the same things
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05:47.14SuperPortiaIt is way too easy to do that.
05:47.55Semlarthere are a couple other ways of writing in japanese though that are more similar to ours
05:48.34Semlarand depending on what you're reading they sometimes add little helper characters to show you how a kanji is pronounced
05:48.51SuperPortiaWell they have a left-to-right form. And an alphabet often used for doing phonetic pronounciation.
05:49.17Semlartwo kana systems
05:49.28SuperPortiaHiragana and katakana
05:49.32SuperPortiaMy spelling may be off.
05:50.00Semlarthose are correct
05:50.36SuperPortiaI had a lot of friends take Japanese.
05:51.05Semlarthere's one more method of writing called romaji so we can use latin characters
05:51.19SuperPortiaYep.
05:51.28Semlarwhich is also how i input characters on a keyboard
05:51.45Semlarnot that i know enough for it to matter
05:51.47SuperPortiaI called it quits when I found out that the thing you're counting determines the ending for the word.
05:51.53SuperPortiaAny is good.
05:52.00kd3ugh
05:52.08kd3numbers/counters in japanese still throw me off
05:52.36Semlarichi ni san shi GO
05:52.57SuperPortiaThe Korean IME was hard to learn for a bit.
05:53.05SuperPortiaAt my height I could kind of touch type.
05:54.31SuperPortiaMy vocabulary sucked -- grammar too -- but I didn't need to look at the keyboard all the time.
05:54.36SuperPortiaHad a Korean keyboard too.
05:54.48Semlarjapanese grammar is talk like yoda
05:55.09SuperPortiaThe joke is that in Japanese he sounds normal.
05:56.43SuperPortiaI kind of wish I had kept with my Korean studies.
05:58.28Semlari'll stick to programming languages
05:59.37SuperPortiaThose I know a decent number of.
06:02.39SuperPortiaWell I didn't make as much progress as I would have liked tonight, but it's not nothing.
06:02.42SuperPortiaI proved it'll work.
06:02.46SuperPortiaThanks for you help with that today.
06:02.52SuperPortiaAnyways I gotta go to sleep.
06:02.55SuperPortiaNight
06:02.58Semlarhave fun
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06:36.13karl_w_wi appear to live in a house that contains no tape measure
06:38.02kd3...how?
06:38.15kd3looks around his room and sees... 3
06:38.40karl_w_wwe move house 4 months ago
06:38.53karl_w_wthese are the little things you realise you don't have
06:49.09karl_w_whttp://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/downloads/personalize/gadgets
06:49.12karl_w_wwow
06:49.13karl_w_wreally
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07:13.34Adyskd3: tape measure is one of these things that you *rarely* need but really need when you do
07:13.48Adysi dont understand people who have more than one
07:13.57Adysmaybe one solid and one flexible
07:13.59Adysbut thats it
07:14.20Cairenn|afkhas multiple, just in this one room
07:17.04iShirikThat's why we use the imperial system
07:17.07Torhalwonders if Cairenn|afk is building Bad User Cages.
07:17.14iShirikA foot is one foot
07:17.25iShirikAnd an inch is like a thumb size
07:17.27Cairenn|afkMind you, I've also just put all new draperies throughout the entire house
07:17.50iShirikWasn't there a hand unit too at one point
07:18.01karl_w_wthere still is
07:18.03Cairenn|afkAnd new carpet runner in the front hall.  And new linens for all the bedrooms and baths and kitchen, and ...
07:18.07karl_w_wit's 4 inches
07:18.10TorhalCairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/XIUcr.jpg in case you haven't already seen...
07:18.20Cairenn|afkiShirik: horse measurement
07:18.26iShirikA hand is 4 inches?
07:18.33karl_w_wthere's also a thing called a barleycorn
07:18.37Cairenn|afkTorhal: hahahaha, that's just mean
07:18.47TorhalYes, I would think it would be VERY mean.
07:18.50karl_w_whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HjMRACAG10 <- see, barleycorn
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07:23.52Cairenn|afkHere's a question for you guys to muse upon:  If there is no one there to hear you say "Ow", are you still in pain?
07:24.38karl_w_wdepends what kind of ow it is
07:25.12karl_w_wusually i say ow when it doesn't really hurt it's just more of a surprise, in that case no
07:25.39karl_w_wwhen it really fkn hurts i dont say ow, i go "aaaaahhh fk" quietly, in that case yes
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08:31.08NeffiDoex incendiary firework launcher invoke the GCD?
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08:42.02Vlad|*shrug*
08:42.14Vlad|what's the time at your place? I just woke up, 9:40 AM :P
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09:12.19TorhalCairenn|afk, dolby, Shirik: This guy's posts almost seem like spam, but there are no outbound links so I'm very confused. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=306606
09:14.31dolbyyep probably a spammer, each post is a different ip
09:15.02dolbyyay get to use my 1 touch delete/ban script =D
09:15.07Torhallol
09:18.05Kalrothmeanie!
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09:35.27zenzio"I posted some screenshots below, and if you notice doors are about 20 feet away from where they should be"
09:35.34zenziothe fun parts of porting a game to a new engine
09:36.01zenzio"fixed water and it looks amazing, but in some places it's flowing uphill"
09:36.59TorhalWhat game is this?
09:37.04zenzioAnarchy Online
09:37.18Torhalo.O
09:37.20TorhalHuh.
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09:56.59chielVlad|: ah cool (that you made your own weakauras lib thing)
09:57.15chielhaste: btw I found a bug in oUF :D
09:57.17chielor well
09:57.23chielnot a bug, but blizzard changed something
09:57.59hastetease
09:58.13chielDestroyTotem() is protected now
09:58.21chielso clicking on the totem icons throws errors
09:58.24hastelovely
09:58.28chielindeed..
09:58.35hastecare to create an issue?
09:58.41chielI think there is a workaround though, I was fiddling about with it yesterday
09:58.45chielyeah can do
10:00.56chielhaste: https://github.com/haste/oUF/issues/168
10:03.00chielbut yeah, some shamans apparently made some `/click TotemFrameTotem1 RightButton` macro
10:03.18chielI think you can do something with self:GetID() and then fake a click that way
10:03.32hasteI get a mail when people create issues :)
10:03.41AcidWebAnybody can tell me if new instance chat that replaced battleground chat still have role of BG leader?
10:03.41chiel:)
10:03.49hasteand no, you probably can't do that
10:03.49chielinstance leader I think
10:03.56chielhm, fair enough
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10:04.16hasteyou need to go through the secure system and that requires the element to be changed slightly
10:10.44chielah k
10:10.54chielit might just be that those macros were on ptr or whatever :)
10:11.02chielthat was just from some brief googling
10:11.34chieli hope it's possible to make the totems appear as a bar, with a colour representing it's type
10:11.38chielthat would be splendid :D
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10:29.49chielhaste: to make that button work btw, would you make a button which is based on a secure template or so?
10:29.57chiel(which already has the click handler?)
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10:40.17p3lim|workAnyone know if there is a macro conditional if there is a specific totem up?
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11:04.56Stanzillano
11:09.36chielStanzilla: are there any plans at all in the future to give WeakAuras an api in lua?
11:09.56Stanzillanot from me
11:10.25chielfair enough :)
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11:20.14Neffiisomebody recommend me an alt class that's fun to pvp with.
11:20.18Neffiithat's not a rogue/druid
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11:33.03chielwarrior
11:33.09chieltwo shot everything at low level :p
11:33.16chiel(and even somewhat at 90)
11:33.40chielshadow priests also seems to be quite strong at low level
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11:37.00chielNeffii: ^
11:37.24chielalso I don't find rogues that fun at low level tbh... they don't get shadowstep until like... 60, now?
11:38.10Neffiirogues arent fun in pvp at all anymore
11:38.10Vlad|hi chiel, sup? :)
11:38.28chielNeffii: yeah, they get shit on at high levels
11:38.34chielVlad|: not much, at work... you?
11:41.02Vlad|I saw you mentioned my LibSpellOverlay :P
11:41.12Vlad|it's a very weak version of weakauras - get it? ho ho ho... -_-
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11:42.17p3lim|workCan anyone confirm that DestroyTotem(i) is protected now?
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11:45.20chielp3lim|work: yes, it is.
11:45.42chielp3lim|work: I made this issue today: https://github.com/haste/oUF/issues/168
11:45.49chieloh wait, you commented on it :p
11:45.51p3lim|work:)
11:46.11chielp3lim|work: but yeah, I googled a bunch of stuff, many shamans are, apparently, outraged :p
11:46.22chielit was changed with 5.1
11:47.00chielerr, I mean 5.0.4 or whatever MoP was
11:47.10chielit doesn't seem to be reflected as protected in this list though: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#resource
11:47.39chielbut yesterday when I was trying to get the totembar to work in oUF, bugsack explicitly told me it is now a protected function
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11:56.46chielVlad|: do you have code for your LibSpellOverlay thing?
11:56.51chielthat I can view somewhere, I mean
11:59.29Vlad|yes
11:59.42Vlad|don't laugh it's old :P
11:59.56Neffiilaughs.
12:00.10Vlad|http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info19691-LibSpellOverlay-1.0.html
12:00.46chielah k
12:02.20chielI guess it wouldn't really be too hard to make a weakauras thing.. but meh, takes time :D
12:02.23chielso cba
12:02.37chielweakauras works fine for now
12:02.48chielthe main thing I wanted to achieve is getting one addon which sets up my entire UI
12:12.02bluspacecow*laughsat vlad*
12:13.57Vlad|:d
12:14.07Vlad|it's 13:00 atm and you are going to bed, ah US ^^
12:14.32nevcairielits geting up time in the US, its sleepy time for AU/NZ
12:16.23Humbedoohunless you're torhal, then it's sleepy time about now
12:22.16Vlad|how can I create a 2d of a model? :S
12:22.22Vlad|like a texture :) portrait
12:22.37Vlad|I am atm using PlayerModel
12:24.15zenzioI'm unsure what you mean; like the picture in the top-left of your character details panel and similar?
12:24.20Vlad|I got the npc ID and I wish to make a texture of out it :P
12:24.23Vlad|yeah
12:24.42zenziothink there's a function for that, let's see...
12:24.47zenzio!api SetPortraitTexture
12:24.48lua_botSetPortraitTexture: Sets a Texture object to show a portrait of a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetPortraitTexture)
12:24.49Vlad|but I don't got the unit in sight, it's a log of past units, meaning I got their npc ID that I make PlayerModel display as a model
12:24.56Vlad|of a unit :(
12:25.23Vlad|lame
12:25.43Vlad|working on my logging addon :P
12:26.01Vlad|http://i.imgur.com/Q4p2O.jpg
12:26.11Vlad|wanted to perhaps make the icons from family to portraits :P
12:26.33Vlad|I could use 3d model portraits but it would seem a bit out of place :P
12:28.59Vlad|blizzard changed the sheeps in uldum to beasts from critters
12:29.03Vlad|so people don't farm them :P
12:29.08Vlad|(for achievement)
12:30.05zenzionot sure I understand, which achievement?
12:30.36Vlad|guild one
12:30.39Vlad|kill 10k critters
12:30.40Vlad|something
12:30.46Vlad|and you get armadillo pet I think
12:32.01nevcairielmy guild even has the kill 100k critters
12:32.06nevcairielcome on, its not that hard :p
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12:34.55Vlad|probably got it before they fixed most of the huge bunch of critter spawns :P
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12:52.50Torhalsteps on Humbedooh's aura.
12:53.46chielhm.. there a way to move the loot frame crap right?
12:53.57chielatm it always covers my raid frames when it pops up :p
12:54.03chieli should probably fix that!
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13:00.50chielhm
13:00.57chielapparently I need to move "GroupLootFrame1"
13:10.13Vlad|:)
13:10.33Vlad|remember remember the fifth of november
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13:24.12SuperPortiaMorning
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13:44.45Vlad|hey
13:45.03Vlad|can I make a frame show/hide securily based on if my own frame is shown or hidden?
13:45.22SuperPortiaMaintenance Tuesday has taken on a whole new annoyance now that I can't test stuff either.
13:45.22Vlad|thing is I can't call :Hide() on the PetJournal parent frame in combat, well, I can but :Show() won't show it until I leave combat :P
13:45.40Vlad|Portia EU is still up
13:45.44SuperPortiaNo idea.
13:45.45Vlad|if you login your EU trial account ;)
13:47.05SuperPortiaI've worked offline before. I'll be fine for now.
13:48.17Vlad|private server offline? :P
13:48.45Vlad|messing with you
13:55.21karl_w_whey Vlad|
13:55.32Vlad|hey karl :)
13:55.36karl_w_wit's 25 degrees C. wanna guess what time it is?
13:55.46Vlad|sunbathing time?
13:56.09SuperPortiaWhere are you Karl?
13:56.15SuperPortiaScandanavia wasn't it?
13:56.23karl_w_wur meant to guess from the temperature, not my location :P
13:56.46SuperPortiaI can't guess by the name?
13:56.52SuperPortiaKarl.
13:56.58karl_w_wno you can't
13:57.10Vlad|my game #132 on rare...
13:57.11Vlad|lol?
13:57.30Vlad|-_-
13:57.34Vlad|access violation
13:58.12SuperPortiaI imagine it's go outside and do shit cause it's nice in a part of world not known for being nice this time of year stuff.
13:59.22karl_w_wit's not nice, tomorrow will be nice
13:59.30karl_w_w28 degrees and thunderstorms
13:59.44Vlad|it's like -10 atm
14:00.00karl_w_wit reached 37 today
14:00.02Clare47-10 C?
14:00.21Clare47It is currently -1C here.
14:00.44Clare47Supposed to reach 18 today.
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14:00.52SuperPortiaMy instant F to C converter in my head isn't quite enough.
14:01.24Clare47I googled local weather, and hit the link to convert from F to C.
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14:01.36SuperPortia28C is like 82
14:01.44Vlad|you use F in physics, C for everyday life :P
14:01.44SuperPortiaSo it's warm, but not dry.
14:01.50karl_w_wwtf
14:01.56karl_w_wwho uses F in physics
14:01.58SuperPortiaI think you meant the other way around.
14:02.02Vlad|lol
14:02.04nevcairielVlad|: wah, physicists are not dumb enough to use F
14:02.07nevcairielyou use K in physics
14:02.11Vlad|I mean't K :P
14:02.13SuperPortiaSometimes.
14:02.16karl_w_wyou use C in physics and C in every day life
14:02.17Vlad|F I don't know where fits in
14:02.20nevcairielyou only use F if you're a weirdo USian
14:02.24nevcairieleverywhere else in the world, its C
14:02.29Vlad|:D
14:02.31Clare47In the US, because we're weird.
14:02.36SuperPortiaI would love it if we weird USians started using Metric.
14:02.36Vlad|jupp
14:02.41SuperPortiaA lot of the country would.
14:02.42Vlad|US and UK are weird ;)
14:02.45SuperPortiaJust not enough to force it.
14:03.03Vlad|hey nevcairiel
14:03.08Vlad|can you help me out for a sec
14:03.15nevcairieleven UK uses C now
14:03.16Vlad|you know the pet journal, it has 2 tabs right?
14:03.21Vlad|I wish to add a 3rd tab without breaking stuff
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14:03.33SuperPortiaOut of curiosity what were you thinking of adding?
14:04.09Vlad|something like this http://i.imgur.com/qsH32.jpg
14:04.26Vlad|but in combat when I click the pet journal it doesn't wanna :Show() the container -_-
14:04.29nevcairielso, another pet tab? redundant, isnt it :p
14:04.30Vlad|so need a way to work around that
14:04.42Vlad|actually the other tab is for logging mobs :P
14:04.58Vlad|MC the mob and it is stored in the addon
14:05.25Vlad|anyway
14:05.27mikmacairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/Gjwh1
14:05.53Cairenn|afkwell alrighty then
14:06.25karl_w_wisnt it supposed to be guzzling?
14:06.57Vlad|I get the num tabs from PetJournalParent.numTabs then I do PanelTemplates_SetNumTabs and add my own tab and use PetJournalParent_SetTab to toggle
14:07.06Vlad|but the game has a PetJournalParent_UpdateSelectedTab
14:07.25SuperPortiaAnyone know how to get the display idea for a creatureID?
14:07.26Vlad|so I gotta hook it and when I see it swapping to tab #3 I need to run my own code to :Hide() mounts and pets and :Show() my own tab
14:07.37Vlad|Portia: wowhead
14:07.45Vlad|3D button thingy has the displayId in the code
14:08.11SuperPortiaWhat about in-game?
14:08.18Vlad|nevcairiel: can I use secure frames to show/hide frames, would that be secure enough so the pet frame doesn't bug when I open it in combat? :P
14:08.20Vlad|none
14:08.31Vlad|you can't :GetDisplayInfo only Set sadly
14:08.37Vlad|so no widgets can help you out here
14:08.44Vlad|but depends what you wish to do
14:08.53Vlad|you can get the model of the creature, as a filepath
14:09.02Vlad|if you wish to display a model on screen
14:09.12nevcairieli doubt the pet frame is protected, you probably screwed something else up
14:09.15nevcairieldoes it error?
14:09.26Vlad|no errors
14:09.33Vlad|it just doesn't :Show() the pet journal container
14:09.38Vlad|but it will if I toggle the tabs out of combat
14:09.43Vlad|doesn't wanna do it in combat :P
14:10.20Vlad|http://pastebin.com/gPQ7bW1E
14:10.26karl_w_wwait what
14:10.26Vlad|made a snip for you to peak at
14:10.32karl_w_wwhat are u trying to show?
14:10.55Vlad|just adding a new tab/frame on the pet journal addon like http://i.imgur.com/qsH32.jpg
14:11.26karl_w_wright, so what isnt showing :P
14:12.06Vlad|in combat if you toggle between the 3 tabs you will see that the Pet Journal content isn't shown
14:12.12Vlad|but outside of combat it all works fine
14:12.27Vlad|so I suspect the Pet Journal has something protected involved so it refuses to :Show() the container :P
14:12.40Vlad|so was thinking if I could use secure template frames to help on the show/hide logic..
14:13.00Vlad|if I can make it appropriately show/hide the default frames if mine is visile
14:13.02Vlad|visible*
14:13.10karl_w_wgotta be the heal pets button
14:13.54Vlad|damn it :P
14:18.23karl_w_wbecause ur doing it wrong
14:18.37Vlad|well
14:18.39karl_w_wu have to hook the secure tabclicked function
14:18.48Vlad|explain
14:19.10Vlad|just don't tell me it's PetJournalParent_UpdateSelectedTab and you never bothered to look at my pastey? :D
14:19.13mikmahttp://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451
14:20.59Vlad|karl_w_w don't leavem e hanging :(
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14:23.41karl_w_widk im too confused now
14:24.06SuperPortiaCan you no longer get the spell name by the spell ID?
14:24.18Vlad|you can
14:24.20Vlad|GetSpellInfo
14:24.37SuperPortiaThank you
14:25.07Vlad|you should wowprogramming a bit more lol
14:25.14Vlad|http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories
14:25.18Vlad|all sorted in neat categories too
14:25.56Vlad|karl_w_w
14:25.58Clare47I only have the second version of that book.
14:26.00Vlad|you know secure frames
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14:26.25Vlad|can I make secure frame do the Hiding/Showing to avoid the breaking taint in combat? :P
14:26.32Clare47Wait. First version.
14:26.35foxlithe also knows kung fu.
14:26.39foxlit(whoa!)
14:26.40karl_w_wit shows itself
14:26.43karl_w_wu dont do it
14:27.47Vlad|...
14:27.50Vlad|wha...
14:27.54Vlad|of course I do it
14:28.01Vlad|the user clicks the tabs to show/hide the frames
14:28.13karl_w_wtab 1 and 2 are shown by blizz code
14:28.15Vlad|yes
14:28.28karl_w_wall u have to do is hook the function so when they click tab 3 it shows it
14:28.32Vlad|I have...
14:28.40Vlad|but their code does not care if there are more tabs
14:28.56Vlad|if id == 1 then mounts:show() else pets:show() end
14:29.01Vlad|that's basically how they coded their function
14:29.12Vlad|so I need to hook and add more logic to fully support more than 2 tabs :P
14:29.50Clare47so a switch function?
14:29.51Vlad|i.e. I need to hide/show their frames appropriately, but without breaking the pet frame since obviously there is a issue with my addon directly calling :Show on a hidden frame.
14:31.00Vlad|not sure how I can explain it any better
14:31.11karl_w_wdont hide the pet journal
14:31.13Vlad|I already pasted how the code I wrote hooks their tab swapping function
14:31.18Vlad|but then it will show under my own frame :S
14:31.23karl_w_wie. take out line 20 of that tab
14:31.28karl_w_wer, that paste
14:31.51karl_w_wor
14:31.55karl_w_wman im so confused
14:32.38Vlad|http://i.imgur.com/vbYfH.jpg
14:32.50Vlad|let me show you blizzards code, so you stop being confused :P
14:33.12Torhal|workStop going mad.
14:33.34Vlad|http://pastebin.com/2vrtTLYr
14:33.40Vlad|blizzards function to handle tab frame visibility
14:33.48Vlad|see how they made it shitty by having a "else" there? :P
14:33.49Kalrothi feel like i'm taking crazy pills!
14:34.10Vlad|if tabID is 1 then it shows mount frame, if not then it shows pet frame
14:34.24Vlad|if they only had a elseif instead, then this would not be a issue at all
14:34.57hastebut it only has two choices!
14:35.01hasteso no need for the elseif :3
14:35.05Vlad|and I wish to add one more :P
14:35.13Vlad|so this is why I ask if secure frames can help me out in this case
14:35.35Vlad|if they can hide/show the pet frame based on if my frame is visible or not :/
14:35.51Torhal|workJust hook it :P
14:35.57Vlad|-_-
14:36.02Vlad|in combat pet frame bugs
14:36.15Vlad|if you try to click on the tabs, once pet frame is hidden you can't :Show() it
14:36.19Vlad|unless you exit combat first
14:36.23Vlad|that's the problem here
14:36.33Torhal|workWhy the fuck would you be dealing with the PetJournal IN COMBAT?
14:36.47Torhal|workgouges his own eyes out with an olive fork.
14:36.49Clare47Why not?
14:36.59Vlad|wouldn't it be like why must the reputation tab work in combat? :P
14:37.07Vlad|I mean, people are people and in some cases they wish to check stuff
14:37.24Vlad|you are coder have to make sure your product works in all the different situations you can imagine
14:37.28Torhal|workDisable it in combat. KISS principal.
14:37.32Torhal|workshrugs.
14:37.42Vlad|:p
14:37.43Torhal|workIf you wanna beat your head about over something like this, by all means...
14:38.13Vlad|it's just annoying no one knows if secure frames can do the :Show() from within and if that will avoid the issue I am having :P
14:38.24Torhal|workTry it? :)
14:38.28Vlad|since I know you can make custom conditionals and such, just unsure how to do it
14:38.40Vlad|I need a bit help with the secure frame front, not so good at it :P
14:38.43Vlad|that's why I am asking :D
14:38.53Vlad|what template should I use for this case?
14:39.16Torhal|workI have minimal experience with the secure stuff.
14:39.31Vlad|I think nevcairiel has more :)
14:39.37Cairenn|afkShutting down now.  Have a good few days all.  See you Friday.
14:39.40Torhal|workI'd hope so.
14:39.45Torhal|workSeeya Cairenn|afk
14:39.47Vlad|:D
14:39.49Vlad|see you
14:41.15Vlad|still so enraging, that effects like this http://i.imgur.com/IV0MQ.jpg can miss on the tick themselves... so you can miss both on applying and on the tick -_- jeez
14:42.47Vlad|anyway ok
14:43.06Clare47Hey Vlad, why not just build a while new frame, and then add in sorting methods for mounts as well?
14:43.29Vlad|well, I first just wanted to easily integrate it by expanding what already exists :P
14:43.43Vlad|but apparently blizzard hasn't made it that easy to integrate into their code, at least not in this case ;D
14:43.48Vlad|hmm
14:43.50Vlad|one idea
14:43.55Vlad|meh, probably won't work
14:44.03Clare47You could steal the keybind, right?
14:44.13Clare47Though, I get what you wanted. Minimal change
14:44.15Vlad|if I :Click() the mount tab first, but it would notice it's a indirect click so would still block
14:45.08Vlad|yeah, especially annoying when they got global API to even help you expand on stuff like tabbed frames :P
14:45.55Vlad|actually just the thought that I insert my own tab seems to taint and break showing the pet journal in combat
14:46.04Vlad|so fragile lol
14:48.05Vlad|using THEIR PanelTemplates_SetNumTabs taints and breaks the pet frame
14:48.07Vlad|LOL
14:48.25Vlad|why not just make it a local functions then? seems useless for handling frames if it breaks so easily
14:48.50nevcairielyou can still secure hook it to figure out when it gets opened
14:49.04karl_w_wwhy use that to set the number of tabs
14:49.17karl_w_wit doesnt need to know
14:50.19Vlad|what do you mean?
14:50.46karl_w_wdont touch paneltemplates
14:51.01Vlad|yeah seems like I can't touch it
14:51.10nevcairielkarl is right, you can probably add the tab without the default ui knowing that its there
14:51.22Vlad|I will try it now
14:51.31Vlad|just sad that there is API like this that is useless :(
14:51.41Vlad|in situations where the frames actually contain "important" things :P
14:51.44karl_w_walso, try if ~=3 then hide your frame else show your frame and hide pet journal end
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14:51.52nevcairielthe tab api is templated, its used for all tabs with the same signature
14:52.17nevcairielneeds to be public because its called from xml as well
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15:00.07Vlad|ok at least it doesn't break pet journal from showing and hiding properly :P
15:00.34Vlad|I added my own tab button, I changed on the OnClick to show the mount page (as I can :Hide() that one)
15:00.54Vlad|and modified my hook to properly show or hide my own frame and properly set the tabs as selected/deselected visually
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15:11.34Vlad|only issue now is if you are on the pet tab and go to the mc tab, then they overlap, but better than it breaking entirely :P
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15:14.58Torhal|worko.O
15:15.00Torhal|workOverlap?
15:15.19Torhal|workJust hide the PetJournal's listScroll
15:16.35Vlad|it's complex
15:16.52Vlad|but I am okay with it atm :P
15:17.10Torhal|workrenames Vlad| to Babble.
15:17.21Vlad|no it's quite complex issue Torhal
15:18.10Vlad|only because if blizzard had a "elseif" instead of "else" in their logic
15:18.18Vlad|if the had elseif this would be much easier ;D
15:18.39Torhal|workDidn't say it wasn't complex; I simply said you're babbling. :)
15:19.24Vlad|at least in my marriage I will be the one annoying my wife :P
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15:20.38karl_w_wrabble rabble rabble
15:20.39Torhal|workAhaha
15:20.53MihauRobble robble robble.
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15:21.30Torhal|workbans Mihau from McDonalds.
15:21.45MihauTorhal|work: Why would I go to McDonalds?
15:21.59Torhal|workPrecisely.
15:22.06Clare47To steal hamburgers.
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15:22.20Clare47(possibly to save people from the fate of eating them)
15:23.13Vlad|why does my cast cancel itself? :S
15:23.17Vlad|weird bug in 5.1
15:23.48SuperPortia_Anyone know if the name of the spell and the name of the mount always matches?
15:23.51Vlad|blizzard are slacking this expansion, wasn't so many bugs in cata :P
15:24.08SuperPortia_I think they went content heavy.
15:24.17SuperPortia_Also there were a lot more added features this expansion.
15:24.35Vlad|LOL
15:24.40Vlad|Launch Quest
15:24.48Vlad|93217 spell is periodically casted by me
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15:24.53Vlad|interrupting my casts and fishing spells...
15:25.07Vlad|sloppy work :P
15:26.40Vlad|http://i.imgur.com/bzfyU.jpg
15:28.09SuperPortia_Is that event's thing something you wrote Vlad?
15:28.37Vlad|no
15:28.39Vlad|it's /etrace
15:28.49SuperPortia_Part of the base client?
15:29.33Vlad|yes
15:29.35Vlad|debug tools
15:29.42SuperPortia_That's good to know.
15:29.51Vlad|like /fstack
15:30.03Vlad|or you got one more but hmm what was the name...
15:30.59phyber/dump ?
15:31.16SuperPortia_Is dump part of the base client
15:31.17SuperPortia_?
15:31.24Vlad|yeah
15:31.33SuperPortia_Good to know
15:31.45Vlad|thank Iriel for that
15:31.47nevcairieli wish they made the event tracer more like the original one from iriel
15:31.52nevcairiellike, with filters
15:32.19SuperPortia_So /etrace /fstack and /dump
15:32.24SuperPortia_Gotta remember all those.
15:33.06Vlad|it's easy
15:33.16Vlad|btw the bug seems to be related to the anglers fishing boat
15:33.19Vlad|raft*
15:33.24Vlad|removed it and now it works
15:33.29Vlad|but it only happens in stormwind lol
15:33.46Vlad|otherwise it works fine, only in SW with the raft buff, you get hidden cast spammed for a weird reason
15:33.58Torhal|workThe built-in eventtrace bugs out a lot, and I end up filtering stuff out that was definitely NOT what I clicked on.
15:34.14Vlad|yeah
15:34.23Vlad|Torhal
15:34.33SuperPortia_Torhal, do you know if the mount name is the same as the spell name always?
15:35.12Vlad|why does having the http://www.wowhead.com/spell=124036 buff trigger http://www.wowhead.com/spell=93217 related to the http://www.wowhead.com/quest=28825 quest? :P
15:35.28Vlad|I think it's a standard Portia
15:35.37nevcairieli wouldnt rely on it
15:35.44Vlad|yeah, I wouldn't too
15:36.03Vlad|nevcairiel: what is you take on the weird issue above? :P
15:36.14nevcairielmy take is that i didnt read it
15:36.32SuperPortia_Huh?
15:37.13Vlad|nevcairiel: when I buff myself with the anglers fishing raft item, it allows me to walk on water, now, when I enter Stormwind with the buff, it spams a quest spell on me, by me, so it interrupts my fishing :P
15:37.37Vlad|and it tries to show the popup quest that starts you in cataclysm :P
15:37.56Vlad|I just fail to see the connection between a fishing raft buff and that
15:38.01SuperPortia_Anyone know what the EJ_ prefix is for?
15:38.12Vlad|encounter journal
15:38.28SuperPortia_Is that for the dungeon/raid journal
15:38.29SuperPortia_?
15:39.49Torhal|workSuperPortia_: I'm not entirely sure. Been awhile since I've dealt with the DB stuff first-hand.
15:40.31SuperPortia_Is this something Ressy might know?
15:41.20Torhal|workSuperPortia_: No idea. I do know that the mount item name isn't something you can rely on, though.
15:42.01SuperPortia_Item name or spell name? I'm trying to base this off the spell name.
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15:42.44SuperPortia_I know the item that gives you the spell is going to be whatever.
15:42.51Torhal|workYah, not sure on that; just saying, I know you definitely can't rely on the item name to match the mount NPC name,
15:42.59Torhal|workSome do, some don't.
15:43.39SuperPortia_I'll just have to do some comparison functions to see.
15:44.18SuperPortia_Is there a way to get the creatureName from the creatureID?
15:44.28SuperPortia_Presuming it's not in your spellbook
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16:06.02UnkleSTATION!
16:06.21LopeppeppyPlease.
16:11.33TC-workTwice
16:12.33SuperPortia_I could use some help interpreting something.
16:12.57DagmarThe blue eagle rises in the east.
16:13.15SuperPortia_I'm trying to figure out where in code they are setting the tooltip for the companion pets that shows it's source (achievement, vendor, etc.)
16:13.25DagmarNo wait, it's a commentary on the self-defeating actions of the bourgeosie
16:14.19SuperPortia_Yes, that's it. Except, no, it's not.
16:14.29SuperPortia_http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16309/Blizzard_PetJournal/Blizzard_PetJournal.lua#715
16:14.45SuperPortia_This doesn't seem sufficient since it doesn't also give the information on vendors.
16:15.01SuperPortia_Though now I kind of feel like I'm misremembering the pop-up.
16:20.25DagmarI never saw that stuff being reported until after I'd installed a better journal addon, so it might not be getting set by defualt
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16:22.03SuperPortia|workReally?
16:22.21foxlitno.
16:22.23Vlad|blizzard is leaking a variable named "loadout"
16:22.26Vlad|from the pet addon LOL
16:22.50nevcairielyou seem easily amused
16:25.55Vlad|yes :D
16:26.35Vlad|you can empty your team using C_PetJournal.SetPetLoadOutInfo(1, "0x0000")
16:26.43Vlad|would make the first pet to disappear :P
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16:31.16Torhal|workSuperPortia|work:       local petID, speciesID, isOwned, customName, level, favorite, isRevoked, name, icon, petType, creatureID, sourceText, description, isWildPet, canBattle = C_PetJournal.GetPetInfoByIndex(index, isWild);
16:31.21Torhal|worksourceText
16:31.28Torhal|workThat's where all the vendor and location info is.
16:31.54SuperPortia|workin sourceText probably?
16:32.09Torhal|workre-reads what he just typed.
16:32.13Torhal|work...
16:32.14Torhal|work:D
16:33.20SuperPortia|workOk, so source text can include formatting codes clearly as well as replaced symbols for money?
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16:34.12SuperPortia|workThanks for that find Torhal
16:34.25SuperPortia|workIt's looking more and more like my add-on is going to be possible.
16:34.31Torhal|work:)
16:34.37SuperPortia|workIs it you or Ackis who works as WoWDB?
16:34.45SuperPortia|workSorry Curse/WoWDB?
16:34.53SuperPortia|workOr both?
16:35.02Torhal|workI'm a Curse employee, who works on the WoWDB AddOn.
16:35.28SuperPortia|workDo you know what the policy is on screen-scraping WoWDB for data?
16:35.35SuperPortia|workWoWDB is owned by Curse right?
16:36.08Torhal|workIt is, and I can't really speak to that :/
16:36.12SuperPortia|workOk
16:36.27SuperPortia|workThanks for all your help though.
16:37.06nevcairielstick to wowhead and use their xml output instead of screen-scraping shit? :p
16:37.15SuperPortia|workThey have XML output?
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16:37.22foxlithalf-hearted XML output
16:37.24Torhal|workWe have JSON, I just forget for what.
16:37.28nevcairielhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=100&xml
16:37.49nevcairielfunny enough, its json inside xml :P
16:37.52SuperPortia|workThanks, that's speed things up.
16:37.57Semlarwhat's up
16:38.41Torhal|workHere's one: http://www.wowdb.com/api/item/90118
16:39.08Torhal|workSuperPortia|work: http://www.wowdb.com/api/spell/48778
16:39.24End_why the hell is that not documented somewhere :o :o
16:39.34End_Torhal is now our documentation
16:40.08Torhal|workThat's all we have currently; I'm trying to get APIs for things like fishing nodes and other useful things.
16:40.31foxlitso, wowhead's XML export is silly because they don't actually expose a lot of data
16:41.03foxlitwowdb's json export is silly because they expose raw internal data only.
16:41.42Semlaryou're silly
16:41.59foxlitastute.
16:42.42SuperPortia|workMorning Semlar
16:43.00Semlarherro
16:43.04SuperPortia|workThe full JSON is nice.
16:43.36SuperPortia|workOk, help me out here: http://www.wowhead.com/spell=110051&xml isn't working.
16:43.50SuperPortia|workEven with ? instead of &
16:43.54Semlari think it only works on items
16:44.02SuperPortia|workWell that blows.
16:44.17Semlarhttp://www.wowhead.com/spell=110051&power
16:44.20Semlarnevermind
16:44.29Semlari don't know, wowhead is confusing
16:46.26karl_w_wi dont like the name jason
16:46.27SuperPortia|workWoWDB doesn't expose DisplayID through their spell API
16:46.44Torhal|workI believe those are just stub APIs at the moment.
16:46.44karl_w_wtherefore JSON is bad
16:47.04Torhal|workvelcros karl_w_w to a wall.
16:47.17SuperPortia|workJSON is fine.
16:47.30karl_w_wam I an art installation?
16:47.35SuperPortia|workApparently.
16:47.46End_JSON and the arguments
16:48.05Torhal|workgroans.
16:48.27karl_w_wnext week on posh nosh, oysters in flagrante
16:48.34SuperPortia|workNice little greek tragedy joke there.
16:49.06karl_w_wfor anybody who hasn't seen posh nosh, do
16:49.17Semlargreek tragedies are nothing to joke about
16:49.21karl_w_wthere's only 6 episodes <10 mins each
16:49.27SuperPortia|workSo WoWDB only supports XML on items; or power for a very limited amount of information. WoWDB has JSON, but the stubs aren't complete.
16:49.47SuperPortia|workSo back to screen-scraping it is!
16:49.50Torhal|works/WoWDB only/WoWhead only/
16:50.11SuperPortia|workYes
16:50.13SuperPortia|workSorry about that.
16:51.18Semlarwowhead's search results are also limited which could make it annoying to scrape
16:52.59SuperPortia|workI did a view source and it seems like all the information I need is in two places on each mount page.
16:53.13SuperPortia|workAt least on the individual mount pages.
16:56.37chielscrape both the sites and mash the results together! :D
16:56.45chieli imagine that the item id's etc are the same
16:59.07Semlari don't know why i didn't notice yesterday but you really don't need to store the name of the thing in your table either
16:59.14Semlarjust spellId = displayId
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17:11.34SuperPortia|workYep
17:11.38SuperPortia|workI found that out last night.
17:12.03SuperPortia|workThough I'm still trying to make sure that mount name == spell name
17:12.18SuperPortia|workThough I also want source text.
17:13.22SuperPortia|workLocalizing source text is going to be annoying.
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17:13.38SuperPortia|workI guess I just leave that up to the community
17:14.19SuperPortia|workCan you get the name of a vendor via it's ID?
17:14.57Torhal|workSuperPortia|work: No.
17:15.26Torhal|workAll of the Vendors and Trainers in ARL and Collectinator are localized by the community.
17:15.41SuperPortia|workGotcha
17:16.54SuperPortia|workIs there a WoW Lua reference for formatting codes?
17:18.48SuperPortia|workFor text?
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17:20.55BroncoB<PROTECTED>
17:21.10End_I believe it is changed via cvar
17:21.31SuperPortia|workI know fishing buddy does something with it.
17:21.40BroncoB<PROTECTED>
17:21.51Ressyhttp://www.wowpedia.org/Console_variables/Complete_list
17:21.55Ressyconsole variable
17:21.58BroncoB<PROTECTED>
17:22.08BroncoB<PROTECTED>
17:22.09karl_w_whttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/cvars
17:22.10RessyThat reminds me.. I gotta update.
17:22.27Ressykarl_w_w: Is that fully up to date?
17:22.59karl_w_wit is definitely
17:23.00karl_w_wsomething
17:24.35karl_w_wi doubt it
17:27.04SuperPortia|workOk, so how do you print out currency?
17:27.05Torhal|workBroncoB: You can also look at the code for Volumizer.
17:27.06chielhmm.. were the authors of bigwigs in here? I can't remember :p
17:30.44Torhal|workSuperPortia|work: You mean from the sourceText?
17:31.15SuperPortia|workI'm going to be providing my own data and I need to be able to format messages so that they'll show up correctly.
17:31.55karl_w_wdammit where did i log out
17:32.22Torhal|workSuperPortia|work: SILVER_AMOUNT_TEXTURE, etc in GlobalStrings.lua
17:32.26karl_w_wi dont suppose there's a way to check where you logged out of the game
17:33.30Funkeh`chiel, hi
17:34.16chielFunkeh`: hi, I was just wondering if it's possible to turn almost everything off but somehow only keep boss cd bars?
17:34.36SuperPortia|workSo how would I print "50 (silver)" where (silver) is the silver texture?
17:35.15Funkeh`chiel, there is no global options, you'd have to do that per-ability
17:35.15chielFunkeh`: I generally don't really like boss mods that much, but having boss cooldowns available is very handy indeed
17:35.40chielFunkeh`: bigwigs is tons better than DBM at least though
17:35.47chielFunkeh`: ah okay, fair enough :)
17:36.32Funkeh`chiel, just click the >> arrows per ability and disable messages
17:36.33karl_w_wSuperPortia GetCoinTextureString(5000)
17:36.59chielFunkeh`: alright cool, will look into that tonight. :)
17:37.00SuperPortia|workThanks Karl
17:37.44karl_w_wno worries, the invoice will be in the mail
17:38.04SuperPortia|workAh, so there really is a way to just drop textures to print.
17:40.47SuperPortia|workI take it's there's not a global library of vendorID to Name, Location is there?
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17:41.16SuperPortia|workvendorID probably just being unitID
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17:50.16chielhow exactly do you figure out a spell's icon if you have it's id?
17:51.39End_it's a return value from GetSpellInfo
17:51.47SuperPortia|workYep
17:51.53End_~wowapi GetSpellInfo
17:52.09End_hrmph guess that's not right command to get purl to talk
17:52.20karl_w_w!api GetSpellInfo
17:52.20lua_botGetSpellInfo: Returns information about a spell (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetSpellInfo)
17:52.27End_oh lua_bot was who I wanted
17:52.29End_of course
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17:52.37End_purl wouldn't have that sort of knowledge
17:52.46karl_w_w~lart End_
17:52.46purlhurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at End_
17:52.54End_sounds painful
17:55.57karl_w_whow many battle pet types are there?
17:55.58SuperPortia|work!api GetAchievementInfo
17:55.59lua_botGetAchievementInfo: Gets information about an achievement or statistic (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetAchievementInfo)
17:56.16karl_w_wmechanical, beast, elemental, flying, humanoid, critter
17:56.22karl_w_wundead, magic
17:56.29karl_w_waquatic
17:56.55karl_w_wthink that's all of them
17:57.12SuperPortia|workdragon
17:57.15karl_w_woh and dragonkin
17:59.00chielhmm.. wonder how hard it would be to make my own "powerauras" kinda displays
17:59.07chielfor my ragebar and stuff like that
18:01.19Semlarokay i give up trying to make my page display as rss
18:01.30chielewhhhh rss :>
18:01.52Semlarsuperportia: http://semlar.com/blender/spatula.php
18:02.56SuperPortia|workCool
18:03.00chielweird, you're sending the correct content-type though
18:03.12Semlarfirefox is just displaying nothing
18:03.20chielshows up fine in chrome
18:03.25chielbut it doesn't do the nesting most pages do.
18:03.29mikmajnwhiteh: http://imgur.com/gallery/iCOPN
18:03.30chielhang on let me check what others send.
18:03.46Semlari don't really know the rss specs very well
18:03.54Semlarso maybe i'm missing a mandatory element
18:04.04chielhmm
18:04.07chielno idea :p
18:04.20chielthe other feeds are xml, so perhaps not entirely applicable
18:04.25chielsince rss has it's own content-type and all
18:04.58Semlarthis doesn't have to be rss i just thought it might be easier to parse
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18:07.30SuperPortia|workThe list of item IDs would have done it.
18:07.31Krapsy"You can even point out the wannabe MVP's by how they reply to threads. Always defending blizzard with the same spell checked neat grammar."
18:07.32Semlarsuperportia you want the spell or the item id
18:07.47SuperPortia|workI need the spell, but I regex it out of the tooltip
18:07.56KrapsyGOSH i hate those spell checked neat grammar assholes
18:08.00Ressylol
18:08.06Ressywhy ty
18:08.26Semlarthere's like 400 pages here i'm not sure how it's going to handle this
18:08.41Semlari might need to stagger it
18:08.55SuperPortia|workBasically my plan was to make a program that did a data dump from the list of id's and parsed out each response for the relevant data and then build a Lua file from it.
18:09.13SuperPortia|workI can do it all async like too.
18:09.24SuperPortia|workI'll order the resulting list.
18:09.32SuperPortia|workBut having the list of item IDs is handy.
18:10.42chielSemlar: yeah just batch it in.. 100s or something
18:10.45SuperPortia|workGetting the data out of WoWhead wasn't so much the problem as wondering if it was ok.
18:10.59SuperPortia|workI'll get to use the new async keyword in C# 5.
18:11.03Semlari can actually do this all from wowdb
18:11.14Semlarit might be simpler
18:11.46SuperPortia|workWell my wonder is if all mounts come from items.
18:12.39Semlari'm just going to parse the spell page
18:13.28SuperPortia|workWell backtracking the item page will eventually be really helpful as that might produce the unit/npc id's needed as well as the price.
18:13.29pompyBlizzard finally put up the charity drive for the hurricane relief fund! http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100002356
18:13.34SuperPortia|workMeaning I won't have to mine that as well.
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18:14.57SuperPortia|workBought
18:15.10karl_w_wwhat's the point in a multiplayer game that can't be played online
18:15.19karl_w_wthis isn't the 1990s anymore
18:16.17mikmakeeps your friends close
18:16.27LopeppeppyKeep your enemies closer!
18:16.40End_Keep yourself closest
18:16.51KrapsyPet Quality is now displayed in battles, and will be visible on portraits, names and tooltips.
18:16.59End_because you're your own worst enemy
18:17.09Krapsyi havent played wow in a month
18:18.02LopeppeppyRawr, End.
18:18.36Semlarwhy is the display id in the tooltip and not the api page
18:19.09karl_w_whttp://youtu.be/SQvWa_q8OrI
18:20.52Semlartorhal are you still around?
18:21.40Vlad|"WoWInterface is down for database maintenance. We expect to be back up and running in a few minutes."
18:22.22SuperPortia|workFrom WoWDB?
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18:24.54Semlarnevermind i figured it out
18:25.12Semlarman the javascript on this is like a labyrinth
18:25.46SuperPortia|workFunny. The global string constants for tooltips are NEWBIE_
18:26.38SuperPortia|workI take it there's no global string for displaying conquest or honor or other currencies? Is there a GetCurrencyFormat()?
18:34.44SuperPortia|workSo is Mountastic as lame a sounding add-on name as my gut is telling me?
18:36.18SuperPortia|workIt looks like coin isn't a currency.
18:49.11Semlarsuperportia: http://semlar.com/mounts.txt
18:49.17Semlari'm not running that script again
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18:49.57Semlarmy host would not forgive me
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18:55.22Gnarfozyour host doesn't give a shit, probably
18:58.04Semlarprobably
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19:03.33SuperPortia|workIs that all the spellID to mountID pairing?
19:03.44Semlarspellid to display id
19:05.39Semlaryou want the mount id too?
19:05.59SuperPortia|workThat's the huge help
19:06.08SuperPortia|workYou mean the creatureID?
19:06.13SuperPortia|workI don't think that's necessary
19:06.15Semlari don't know, you said mount id
19:06.24SuperPortia|workI meant displayID
19:06.28Semlarokay
19:06.33SuperPortia|workWhere'd you yank it?
19:06.38Semlarwowdb
19:06.55SuperPortia|workAnd, you know now that I have to put you on as a contributor or co-author right?
19:07.33mikmab
19:07.34Semlarhttp://pastebin.com/ZaWG62BT
19:07.40Semlarthat's the script i used
19:07.50Semlarit could be prettier
19:08.27mikma*****************************¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨´'<<<<<<OPPOPÖ.PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
19:08.34Semlaryou don't say
19:09.04AcidWebSemlar: He probably calling mothership
19:09.18Semlaron dial-up?
19:10.08Semlari should probably mention that script won't actually do anything without my spiderbot class
19:12.19SuperPortia|workI don't know PHP anymore and don't even have an environment setup to run it.
19:12.50Semlarbasically it opens up a lot of pages
19:12.58mikmaoh that's nice
19:13.09Semlarwith zero throttling
19:13.18SuperPortia|workAh
19:13.28SuperPortia|workSoon the WoWDB people will come after you.
19:13.33Semlarmaybe
19:13.54Semlarat least it only does it one at a time
19:13.55SuperPortia|workI'm sure you're not the first person to grab data. And technically they culled it, but it belongs to Blizzrard.
19:14.13Semlari'd probably rewrite it if i were planning on using it more than once
19:14.39SuperPortia|workSo you just grabbed the tooltip for all the data.. Coo
19:14.40SuperPortia|workCool
19:15.10Semlarwell first i had to figure out what the url was to that tooltip page
19:15.39Semlarwhich of course was just /tooltip but the point was i had to find it
19:15.51SuperPortia|workURL guessing is an art.
19:16.09Semlari actually just used firebug to see what it was loading
19:16.52Semlarit's odd that the id is in the tooltip and not the api page though
19:17.36Semlarespecially since the api page has like more information than you could possibly need
19:19.14Clare47So... you guys seem friendly enough. I haven't done any programming since I had a C++ class back in '06. While I still retain a little bit of the theory, would lua, and more specifically mod development, be a decent place to get back into programming?
19:19.39Gnarfozany place where you have something you want to do is good
19:19.43Semlarlua is practically pseudo code
19:19.59SuperPortia|workUnderstanding dictionaries though is key
19:20.13SuperPortia|workHow far did you get?
19:20.20Gnarfozhow is understanding dictionaries relevant to wow addon dev
19:20.33Gnarfozwell, relevant, sure for some, but certainly not required
19:20.36Clare47Just the one C++  course, which I failed due to skipping 1 homework assignment
19:20.53SuperPortia|workTables are dictionaries. Lua uses a lot of tables.
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19:21.24Clare47I have the older version of the wow programming book and I saw a simple addon that won't be continued, so I thought of learning lua and updating the addon.
19:21.29Gnarfozthat's great. and not really something to spend time on until you know what you want to do and how you can do it in WoW's addon environment
19:21.47Gnarfoz(re: dictionaries)
19:21.52VersusMeHey there, folks.
19:22.19Semlarlua is easy, don't worry about it
19:22.26GnarfozClare47: sounds good, hopefully jnwhiteh didn't use too much stuff that may have been changed in the mean time ;)
19:22.45Clare47Thanks for the input
19:22.56VersusMeSo you say, Semlar. I feel like I'm running headlong into a brick wall here.
19:23.16SuperPortia|workWhat's your brick wall?
19:24.07VersusMeWell, I got the cray notion to make an add-on to play a random sound file upon level up. I've never coded ANYTHING before. I'm feeling kinda foolish.
19:24.14VersusMecrazy*
19:24.15SuperPortia|workClare47: Lua doesn't have that many structures to learn which is a good and bad thing.
19:25.09VersusMeAll of my sound-editing skill is for naught here.
19:25.22GnarfozVersusMe: sounds very doable, as long as you realize you have to have a list of all the sounds files you want to use (be they external ones or ones from the game)
19:26.13VersusMeThat was the easy part.
19:26.29Gnarfozwhat's left? ;)
19:27.04VersusMeThe randomizing feature, as well as having the file actually play.
19:27.13Gnarfoz!api playsound
19:27.13lua_botFound 3 possible results for 'playsound': PlaySound, PlaySoundFile, PlaySoundKitID
19:27.50Gnarfozhttp://lua-users.org/wiki/MathLibraryTutorial
19:29.12Semlarhttp://pastebin.com/n8L4Lg8R
19:29.48Gnarfozthat's not going to teach him/her anything~
19:29.55Semlarit is if i don't know if it works or not
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19:30.11VersusMeI think the problem is that the suggestion I received involved using a variable that is plugged into the upper value of the random argument.
19:30.24Gnarfozit looks mostly correct Semlar ^^
19:30.51BroncoB<PROTECTED>
19:31.10VersusMeOh, that pastebin link is quite different than what was suggested...
19:31.18BroncoB<PROTECTED>
19:31.23VersusMeI'll try this out.
19:31.38GnarfozBroncoB: change race! :P
19:31.39VersusMenight elf?
19:31.46BroncoB<PROTECTED>
19:31.51Gnarfoznobody likes night elves anyway
19:31.54VersusMeScore.
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19:32.03Gnarfozthat's another solution, certainly
19:32.46Vlad|Stanzilla: you here mate?
19:33.17VersusMeWait... do you use single or double quotes for file paths? *headdesk*
19:33.23Semlardoesn't matter
19:33.26Gnarfozirrelevant afaik
19:33.48Semlartechnically you should probably use [[file\path]]
19:33.57Vlad|why not \\ ?
19:34.05Gnarfozwhy \\
19:34.07Semlari hate escaping backslashes
19:34.11Vlad|:P
19:34.34Semlarso i just use forward slashes
19:34.37Vlad|anyone from EU that can help me out in game, I just need to group up for a moment with you :(
19:34.57Gnarfozstill no friends, man
19:35.01Vlad|nope
19:35.08Vlad|no one wants to add me on their realid either :P
19:35.21Semlarthe hardest part about that code is probably going to be figuring out the path to the files
19:35.34ArrowmasterAdys: i filled a debian bug and it got moved to src:linux......
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19:42.05VersusMeHrm... still not working correctly...
19:43.25Semlari don't know, gnarfoz assured me it looked mostly correct
19:43.39Semlarhe wouldn't lie about something like that
19:43.50VersusMeI suppose I should dig a little deeper.
19:44.04Semlarwhat path are you using to your files
19:44.35Gnarfozalso, error messages are your friend
19:44.56VersusMeI'm not getting any errors.
19:45.05VersusMeHere's one of the paths:
19:45.11VersusMe"Interface\\AddOns\\SkyrimLevelUp\\Sounds\\mus_levelup_01.mp3"
19:45.21Semlarhave you restarted the client
19:45.26VersusMeIndeed.
19:45.54Semlarhave you made sure that the file name is actually correct
19:46.04Vlad|mp3?
19:46.04VersusMeAnd all the appropriate files are in their correct places.
19:46.19VersusMe...
19:46.36VersusMeDid they convert to ogg?
19:46.41Semlarmp3 is fine
19:46.49Gnarfozthey should still be able to play mp3
19:46.52Semlarhave you tried just typing /run PlaySoundFile("Interface\\AddOns\\SkyrimLevelUp\\Sounds\\mus_levelup_01.mp3")
19:46.59VersusMeI heard something about that once. Good to hear it's not so.
19:47.10VersusMeI'll give it a shot.
19:47.24Semlarand make sure your sound is turned on in the game
19:47.26Gnarfozalso, turn on Lua errors in case you haven't
19:47.38Gnarfoz(that'd be horribly counter-productive ;D)
19:47.50Semlarlua errors are under help
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19:49.23VersusMeThe sound file plays correctly when using that /run line.
19:49.48Semlarwell that means the path is correct
19:50.16Semlardid i really write that wrong
19:50.26Semlarthat doesn't sound like me
19:51.34Semlari need to go but i'll be back in a bit
19:52.39Vlad|Meanwhile I will replace Semlar and assist you any way I can, VersusMe. Fill me in. :)
19:53.05VersusMeWell, lemme pastebin what Semlar gave me.
19:53.19SuperPortia|workAre there any mods out there for handling and managing your heirloom items?
19:53.46Semlarhttp://pastebin.com/n8L4Lg8R this was the pastebin
19:53.52VersusMehttp://pastebin.com/7N2LJKwR
19:54.04VersusMeThat's my version with the files.
19:54.05SuperPortia|workBasically automating the item transfer process between alts?
19:54.06Semlaryou don't have commas in your table
19:54.08Semlar23 skidoo!
19:54.35VersusMe*flounder* I'mma derp.
19:55.23Vlad|aah simple addon :D
19:55.26VersusMeI suppose it will work now. Lemme see.
19:55.27Vlad|plays a sound when you level up, neato
19:55.31Vlad|yeah
19:55.35Vlad|you can simulate it
19:55.46SuperPortia|workCan you force events on the PTR client?
19:55.53Gnarfozno
19:55.54SuperPortia|workI'm just wondering how you test things that happen very rarely.
19:56.01Gnarfozby using another event
19:56.02VersusMeSimulate how?
19:56.10VersusMeOh, alright.
19:56.14Vlad|add this at the bottom 'function TEST() f:GetScript("OnEvent")() end' then '/run TEST()' in game
19:56.16SuperPortia|workLeveling up, gaining a mount, etc.
19:56.22SuperPortia|workGotcha
19:56.29Vlad|it will just run the script for you and you can see if it works :p can just remove the test function later
19:56.52Gnarfozcalling the function directly doesn't check if he did the event registering correctly
19:57.05Vlad|VersusMe: http://pastebin.com/43aEw0NN
19:57.06GnarfozIMHO better to test the whole stack and just use a different event
19:57.18Gnarfoz(like... ZONE_CHANGED or whatever)
19:57.22Vlad|:3
19:57.23SuperPortia|workIn my case it was learning a mount. I want the mount to also show up.
19:58.35VersusMeWell, how do you like that. Works just fine now.
20:00.56SuperPortia|workSemlar: Thank you for the massive head start. That'll get me through stage one. Stage two will incorporate source data.
20:01.08Vlad|Semlar left a while ago :D
20:01.12Vlad|he will be back ;)
20:01.23VersusMeSO.
20:01.27VersusMeThanks guys.
20:01.50VersusMeI'm still a dumb, but I am now less of a dumb than before.
20:03.15SuperPortia|workYou'll gear up pretty fast.
20:03.19SuperPortia|workMentally.
20:03.23SuperPortia|workI'm still on my first week.
20:04.01VersusMeI'll keep lurking around here. I learn by osmosis.
20:04.03SuperPortia|workMy plan is to have my first add-on published by Christmas.
20:04.10SuperPortia|workThat's what I've been doing.
20:04.12VersusMeWhat sort of add-on?
20:04.25SuperPortia|workOh, Vlad, I meant to tell you that I've been using one of your add-ons.
20:04.36SuperPortia|workWell my currently bad name is Mountastic.
20:04.38Vlad|tell me what's wrong I can probably fix it
20:04.48SuperPortia|workIt works like it's supposed to.
20:04.54SuperPortia|workNo complaints.
20:04.56Vlad|phew, thank god
20:04.57Gnarfozidd, didn't say anything was wrong with it ;p
20:05.06Vlad|I just assume something broke :D
20:05.09VersusMeWhich one?
20:05.20VersusMeI wanna see. o3o
20:05.24Vlad|I am guessing miniloot?
20:05.29SuperPortia|workThe one that allows you to undress your toon or dress like a target
20:05.33Vlad|ah
20:05.35Vlad|Dresser :P
20:05.39SuperPortia|workDresser.
20:05.42Vlad|that's a classic
20:05.46Vlad|made it back in tbc
20:06.22VersusMeAs a roleplayer, I want to thank you on behalf of every other roleplayer in WoW.
20:06.30Vlad|who VersusMe?
20:06.45VersusMeYou. Dresser was and still is a life saver.
20:06.48SuperPortia|workI think they're thanking you for Dresser.
20:06.52Vlad|I didn't know it was used for RP :D
20:06.55SuperPortia|workEspecially with Transmog
20:07.12VersusMeIt's helpful for picking out and designing outfits.
20:07.13SuperPortia|workIt would be nice to be able to see the items in question so you know where to get them.
20:08.03VersusMeThis miniloot add-on looks pretty awesome, too.
20:08.16SuperPortia|workYeah. I'm hoping for 5k downloads too.
20:08.18SuperPortia|workThat would be killer.
20:08.47VersusMeDresser and glofosho are an RP-fashionista's best friends.
20:09.04Vlad|^^
20:10.59VersusMeWOAH.
20:11.02VersusMeHold up.
20:11.10Vlad|chat been dead, take your time lol
20:11.11Gnarfoznope
20:11.23VersusMeYou made a Darkmoon Faire quest item tooltip thingydo?
20:11.25Gnarfozand it's not really dead, you've been keeping it alive!
20:11.37Vlad|:D
20:11.42Vlad|I did
20:12.00VersusMeYou're, like, my hero or something.
20:12.04Vlad|tells you if you have done the quests on your character, when you mouse a darkmoon quest item
20:12.21Vlad|I never could remember if I had done it or not when the rolls came up so I got bored of that
20:12.34SuperPortia|workWhat's the darkmoon faire thing?
20:12.44SuperPortia|workok
20:13.34Vlad|I have made a lot of shit, feel free to browse hehe :P http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=22842
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20:13.56nevcairielshit being the operative word
20:13.58nevcairielscnr :p
20:14.08Vlad|:P
20:14.16VersusMeYou made a battle pet team maker?
20:14.21VersusMeTotally my hero.
20:14.35Vlad|there are many variants, pick what you like. people prefer different things.
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20:19.22VersusMeI'd love to see a list, sorta like an achievement tracker for the quest item turn-ins.
20:19.36VersusMeFor the Darkmoon Faire, i mean.
20:20.47Vlad|blizzards needs to make us a map framework that supports overlays, i.e. "daily quests" with tons of filters of types, factions, e.g. you name it :P
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20:24.16TC-workMaybe that's not something they want.
20:24.45Krapsycould be confusing for new players
20:25.08TC-workI think other players are the most confusing thing for new players
20:25.19Vlad|nope
20:25.26Vlad|imagine google map layers
20:25.30Vlad|with submenus on/off :P
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20:25.59SuperPortia|workAnytime I see "tons of options" I cringe a little.
20:26.02KrapsyTC-work: your confusing
20:26.15SuperPortia|workOptions means work. It means I can't just use it as is.
20:26.18Vlad|it sounds confusing when I say it, but it could be created easy to use
20:26.39Vlad|options doesn't mean configuration, just having a checkbox like the pet filters is also a "option" :P
20:26.58SuperPortia|workQueryable then
20:27.26Krapsycome on everpony
20:27.33Vlad|brohoof
20:27.40SuperPortia|workAnd often if you can get your activities design done well you can pick up everything you need from context clues.
20:27.54SuperPortia|workAnd, no, I'm not talking about clippy the annoying paperclip
20:28.06foxlitI too cringe whenever I see a crayon pack with more than one color of crayons
20:28.32SuperPortia|workDidn't we do this tango yesterday?
20:28.36SuperPortia|workOr was that someone else.
20:28.37TC-workKrapsy: Yes, yes i am.
20:29.04SuperPortia|workAnd yet the crayon box only has one supported way of opening it. What if I wanted to open it other ways?
20:29.13Krapsythis channel is about 20 percent cooler than other wowuidev channels
20:29.24foxlitI'm sure you talked about this at length with someone else yesterday
20:29.27foxlitClearly it didn't help.
20:29.51Vlad|I can lighten up the atomsphere; php is cool!
20:30.58SuperPortia|workfoxlit can correct me, but it's not a fight or anything. It's a difference of opinion with arguments for and against.
20:31.33Vlad|Portia there is no need to try convince anyone anything with words, you gotta show a usable demonstration to convince them ;D
20:32.06KrapsyWOW EVERYONE CALM THE FUCK DOWN
20:32.18Vlad|:D
20:32.42SuperPortia|workI think verbal arguments can work.
20:32.49SuperPortia|workThey've worked on me and others.
20:32.59Vlad|almost easier to just draw in photoshop some prototypes
20:33.03Vlad|than talking :D
20:33.07Vlad|at least when it's a visual thing
20:33.43SuperPortia|workFor visual learners sure. I had a friend who always wanted to have things explained verbally.
20:33.49SuperPortia|workShe was terrible with the visuals.
20:33.52foxlitIt'd be utterly useless here, since I was commenting on cringing rather than any particular design idea :)
20:34.26SuperPortia|workI could draw you a fetching box of all one color of crayon.
20:34.36SuperPortia|workI wouldn't even need more than one color to draw it.
20:34.44foxlitBut it's not really a disagreement -- we probably both agree that an appropriate amount of options is appropriate.
20:34.59SuperPortia|workI would agree with that.
20:35.26SuperPortia|workI'm for as few options as you can get away with. But sometimes you can't get away without them.
20:36.13Torhal|workSure you can, it's called the "Fuck you, I'm lazy." principal.
20:36.24SuperPortia|workAnd I am for changing the visual things of things, but I think those need to be changed from the top down. I find that individual applications changing away from system defaults just leaves you with a haphazard and inconsistent look.
20:36.25Torhal|workAddOn authors do it all the time!
20:37.04SuperPortia|workOptions can help alleviate the problems of bad UI design to a degree. I prefer to get the UI right.
20:37.06foxlitnumber of options might correlate rather positively with addon popularity, though :)
20:37.28SuperPortia|workIt depends on your audience though.
20:37.41SuperPortia|workPart of the problem is that I think developers are natural tinkerers a lot of the time.
20:37.57SuperPortia|workWe like the details and to see how things work, but I believe that's far from the normal.
20:38.01Krapsy<PROTECTED>
20:38.02SuperPortia|workSome people just like to see how things work.
20:38.11Krapsyless options is better
20:38.14SuperPortia|workSometimes simpler is better.
20:38.33Vlad|I think there is a lack of overview that the map could provide, to where things are, quest locations, battle masters for pets, trainers, e.g. e.g. list goes on
20:38.35Vlad|stuff people wowhead
20:38.42SuperPortia|workThere's definitely an audience for the kitchen sink of tweakable add-ons, but that's not the market I'm going for.
20:39.17foxlitResolve a practical problem for me: should my addon display a message at log in or not?
20:39.24Vlad|no
20:39.31Vlad|interface > addons menu
20:39.32SuperPortia|workE.g. some people really want the simple stereo and some people want the 400 little fiddly bits to change to customize.
20:39.36foxlitsomething along the lines of: [Spade] YOUR FARM HAS LOOT GO PICK IT UP YOU SILLY GOOSE!
20:39.41Vlad|:D
20:39.52Krapsyon thats alright
20:39.53Vlad|ah well that would maybe be nice ,a reminder
20:40.09SuperPortia|workDon't do a pop-up.
20:40.14SuperPortia|workPop-ups are annoying.
20:40.14foxlitchat text.
20:40.18Torhal|workToast!
20:40.24SuperPortia|workToast is a good way to do it.
20:40.27Vlad|make 8 static popup boxes appear
20:40.29foxlitIf I do display it, it might well be disliked by people who're already spammed by every tom dick and harry.
20:40.38Vlad|and each time you close one you must confirm it :P
20:40.39Krapsynot THIS IS FARM ADDON VERSION 3.564 HAVE A GOOD DAY EAT YOUR VEGGIES
20:41.02Torhal|workconfirms that Vlad| is sadistic.
20:41.04Gnarfozthere's no way to do it that's not going to annoy /someone/
20:41.05foxlitIf I don't display it, there's a good chance (a) people won't even know that feature is there (b) they'd have to type a slash command to check.
20:41.08Vlad|:P
20:41.32Vlad|foxlit: make a countdown dialog that says how long the person has to get to their farm and fix it, before the addon enters lockdown mode and quits the game :P
20:41.51Vlad|the dialog always remains on screen with a bar showing the time depleting
20:42.00foxlitDo I (a) display the message (b) not display the message (c) make an option for displaying the message?
20:42.08Gnarfozthat's straight up against the blizz addon policy btw Vlad| ^^
20:42.15Vlad|:p
20:42.43Torhal|workthrottles Vlad|.
20:42.48Vlad|thanks Torhal
20:42.49foxlithow does one toast, anyway?
20:42.55Semlarvery carefully
20:43.01Torhal|workI wrote a lib...
20:43.02Torhal|work:D
20:43.06Gnarfozthoughtfully!
20:43.11foxlitIs your lib bigger than my addon? :)
20:43.18Gnarfozprobably
20:43.29Semlarit's not the size of the lib that counts
20:43.37Gnarfoz(you'd have to count both spade and opie, though! :P)
20:44.00Torhal|workfoxlit: Probably. It's 771 lines.
20:44.13foxlitI'd lose that contest rather handily. OPie is like libception.
20:45.05foxlitSpade is small, though -- 87+76+157+localization
20:45.34Krapsyyou're waiting for a compiler
20:46.44RessySo Torhal|work... SetLocations? :)
20:47.11Krapsya week in the interface is a month in the code
20:47.52Torhal|workRessy: Only reason I'm even coding right now is because I'm at work. So...yeah.
20:47.59foxlitmeh, so BNToastFrame is rather lame in that it doesn't actually accept arbitrary text.
20:48.18Torhal|workNope, hence my writing a lib for it :/
20:49.38foxlitMaybe I'd buy some sort of addon-provided Notify("message")
20:50.13foxlitI seem to recall someone cloning growl to that effect.
20:50.21SuperPortia|workTorhal|work: You made a toast library?
20:50.24foxlitbut print is easier, and this was supposed to be easy.
20:51.11Semlar!api setprinthandler
20:51.12lua_botsetprinthandler: Sets a new function to be used for `print()` output (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/setprinthandler)
20:51.42Torhal|workSuperPortia|work: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/libtoast-1-0/
20:52.46SuperPortia|workYou're one prolific mother fucker aren't you Torhal?
20:53.54SuperPortia|workIt doesn't look like the SetPrintHandler gives you the old one.
20:54.14SuperPortia|workAh, but you can get the current print handler.
20:54.31Torhal|workSuperPortia|work: Heh.
20:54.57SuperPortia|workI imagine it helps to get paid to do it.
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20:55.35Torhal|workExcept that I only get paid for CRT2 and WoWDB Profiler.
20:55.37Torhal|worklol
20:55.46SuperPortia|workDo you work from home?
20:55.59SuperPortia|workYeah, but you get paid to keep your skills up effectively.
20:56.50Torhal|workI do, sometimes. At the office now though.
20:57.01SuperPortia|workWhere are the Curse offices?
20:57.26Torhal|workDev office is in Huntsville, AL.
20:57.33Torhal|workHQ is in San Francisco, CA.
20:57.34SuperPortia|workReally?
20:57.36Torhal|workYar.
20:57.40AcidWebI need translation to english
20:57.43AcidWeb"When its active and i try to sign up for bg que, it says an addon is blocking, when i then disable the addon, it just says a new addon is blocking, and it did that five times, before i stopped trying."
20:57.48SuperPortia|workAlabama?
20:57.54Torhal|workIndeed.
20:58.12Torhal|workAcidWeb: Super-bad taint randomly blaming random AddOns.
20:58.16SuperPortia|workAlabama's not known for their tech industry.
20:58.18bleeter^^
20:58.34Torhal|workHuntsville - home of NASA and missile-defense contractors/
20:58.39Torhal|workIt's really NOT Alabama.
20:58.40SuperPortia|workAh.
20:58.42bleeterAcidWeb: yeah, something real bad is tainting and the system is blaming random addons.
20:58.48AcidWebTorhal|work: I thought so.
20:58.50AcidWebThx
20:58.57SuperPortia|workLike RTP isn't really NC.
21:01.42SuperPortia|workIs there a SelectMany routine in Lua for collapsing a table of tables into a single table?
21:02.21Torhal|workNo - Lua is rather bare-bones yet powerful enough that it's pretty trivial to roll your own.
21:02.37SuperPortia|workLike LISP
21:02.38Torhal|workBasically, loop your arse off.
21:02.50SuperPortia|workYep
21:03.15SuperPortia|workThe big benefit of type-less languages.
21:03.34Torhal|workWell, weakly-typed anyway.
21:03.50SuperPortia|workNumber, string and table?
21:04.03SuperPortia|workI didn't even see date/times
21:04.29Semlarboolean
21:04.35Torhal|workboolean, function
21:04.36Semlarfunctions
21:04.38SuperPortia|workI stand corrected... and boolean
21:04.39Torhal|workuserdata
21:04.52Semlarthere is userdata but it's not something you use
21:04.56SuperPortia|workBinary basically?
21:05.01Torhal|workSure it is! (If you're Blizzard)
21:05.09SuperPortia|workIt's something you can dump stuff into.
21:05.22Semlari don't think it's something you can actually access the information in
21:05.34SuperPortia|workNo, not really
21:05.39SuperPortia|workAt least not from our end.
21:05.43Torhal|workC-side.
21:07.01SuperPortia|workString comparison functions?
21:07.22Semlaralso you can do stuff like concatenate a number to a string and it converts it to a string or add a string to a number and it converts it to an integer
21:07.41SuperPortia|workMost languages support the former, less the latter.
21:07.52Semlari don't know about most
21:08.47SuperPortia|workC++, C#, Java, List, VB, VB.Net, VBA, JavaScript, F#, Lua...
21:09.01SuperPortia|workI think Ruby too. I think Python and Perl as well.
21:09.05Semlarno
21:09.07Semlaryou can't do it in python
21:09.12SuperPortia|workOk, missed that one.
21:09.15Semlarand python is based on C or something
21:09.19Semlarso you can't do it in that either
21:09.24SuperPortia|workYou can't in C, but you can in C++
21:09.34SuperPortia|workAt least I remember that you could.
21:09.36SuperPortia|workIt's been awhile.
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21:09.51SuperPortia|workI did like a decade of C++ programming about a decade ago.
21:09.58SuperPortia|workending about a decade ago.
21:10.26SuperPortia|workI can't remember if you can in TurboPascal
21:10.34Torhal|workDoes it matter?
21:10.35Torhal|work:D
21:10.46SuperPortia|workFor good ole' TP? No.
21:10.58SuperPortia|workWhat about PHP Semlar?
21:11.05Semlari don't remember
21:11.07Semlarbut i don't think you can
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21:11.16SuperPortia|workSo it's a good number of the really popular ones.
21:11.29Semlarin my experience you should usually make sure the types you're using are the same
21:11.46SuperPortia|workI agree.
21:11.56SuperPortia|workI especially don't like number + string = number.
21:11.57Torhal|workAww, c'mon - you mean "12" and 12 are distinct? :)
21:11.58Semlari don't know, python is pretty loose
21:12.04Semlarer php
21:12.13Torhal|workPHP is fucking braindead.
21:12.31SuperPortia|workI can't remember the language but it allowed you to redefine literals. So you could assign 2 = 3.
21:12.38SuperPortia|workAnd then all values of 2 were three.
21:12.45Semlarwell .. in lua is a string function so it makes the distinction between + which is purely for numbers
21:12.58bleeterdid all the US realms just go titsup.com?
21:13.09SuperPortia|workWell that is beneficial.
21:13.31Torhal|workbleeter: Yah, I get Error #2
21:13.51Semlaractually i think you can use + for tables too but that's a little different
21:14.02bleeterTorhal|work: I think it's back again
21:14.14bleeteralmost looked more like someone pulled out the battle.net hamster
21:14.18SuperPortia|workWhat does it do for tables?
21:14.27Torhal|workNothing.
21:14.38Torhal|workIt'd work in Python depending on the collection type.
21:14.42SuperPortia|workAnd apparently you can't do straight up concatenation in C++, but usually you don't need to.
21:14.46SuperPortia|workStream operators make it moot.
21:15.24SuperPortia|workHaving separate operators for addition and concatenation makes it ok.
21:15.39SuperPortia|workReally I think they should be separate.
21:15.42SuperPortia|workRelieves confusion.
21:15.52Torhal|workHell, in Python you can |= members of a set
21:16.07Semlaryou can define what + and = and / and whatever do for tables using metatables
21:16.29Semlarhttp://lua-users.org/wiki/MetatableEvents
21:16.39SuperPortia|workC#, it's Set.Union(set1, set2) or collection1.Union(collection2)
21:16.47SuperPortia|workI was reading a little bit about metatables.
21:16.57SuperPortia|workI'm trying to avoid messing with them until I have to.
21:17.20Semlarthey're voodoo magic and you'd do well to avoid them
21:17.23Torhal|workThey allow for some pretty nifty stuff.
21:17.42Torhal|workMemoizing tables can be nice.
21:18.07Semlarmemoizes torhal
21:19.01pompybleeter: im still logged in
21:19.16pompybattle.net disconnected tho
21:19.44Semlaroh wait, torhal is there anything i should avoid doing if i need to scrape wowdb
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21:22.22Semlari should probably at least throttle my requests
21:23.14SuperPortia|workI can't imagine a few hundred requests a minute is going to hurt their system.
21:24.24Semlari should set this up on my computer so i don't have to run it from my host
21:24.51Gnarfoz...what's the point in that, then
21:25.29Semlari get datas?
21:25.37Gnarfozno, avoiding using your host
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21:25.46Gnarfozwhy do you have it, if not to use it?
21:25.52Semlarbecause i can't test anything on my computer, i have to write the script and upload it every time i make a change
21:26.04Gnarfozok?
21:26.09Gnarfozedit it on the other side? ^^
21:26.12SuperPortia|workSemlar: What do you develop in?
21:26.31Semlarwell that was in php but i'll probably do it in python since i don't feel like installing php
21:30.20SuperPortia|workSince you seem to have this part handled I can give you the rest of the structure of the file if you want to work on it.
21:31.33Torhal|workSemlar: Avoid waking the kraken.
21:31.44Semlarwhich page is the kraken on
21:32.28Semlarhttp://www.wowdb.com/npcs/34925-north-sea-kraken found it
21:34.09Semlaris there an api for a page like this http://www.wowdb.com/objects/192628-anvil
21:34.25bleetergoes back to wondering why there's no LFR for the darkmoon bunny
21:34.34Torhal|workSemlar: Not that I'm aware.
21:34.58Semlarwell, at least all the pins appear to be on one page
21:35.19Torhal|workFor one map, yes.
21:35.26Semlari think it's all the maps
21:35.42Torhal|workOh, I see what you mean.
21:35.47Semlarthere's a giant string of javascript with the coordinates
21:35.59Semlaralthough i'm not entirely sure what the coordinates represent
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21:36.27Torhal|workLikely has the map ID in there as well.
21:37.07Semlari mean coordinates are pairs and this is just a big array of numbers
21:37.19Torhal|worko.O
21:37.31Semlar"Coords":[46719,68201,125876,126769,127283,127407,129327,131945,133859,136601,138086
21:37.42Semlar>_>
21:38.56SuperPortia|workIt's possible it just iterates two at a time.
21:39.08SuperPortia|workOr they're encoded together.
21:39.10Semlaryeah but i still don't know what they represent
21:39.32SuperPortia|workI imagine if you dump a 0. in front it's between 0 and 1.
21:39.45Semlarthat's possible
21:39.52SuperPortia|workIt has to be between 0 and 1 of something.
21:39.56SuperPortia|workYou just need to know the scale.
21:40.00Semlari was thinking it might take the size of the map into account
21:40.06SuperPortia|workPossibly.
21:40.13Semlarand it could be actual map coordinates but that wouldn't make that much sense
21:40.17SuperPortia|workSemlar: http://pastebin.com/Q9Pmvraa
21:40.26SuperPortia|workI think that covers all the situations.
21:41.17SuperPortia|workI only mention it because you seem keen on getting this part done and I never stand in the way of people getting stuff done.
21:41.27SuperPortia|workDon't feel obliged though.
21:41.36SuperPortia|workJust wanted to let you know where I was headed with this.
21:42.31Semlaryou want me to try and get the source of all the items
21:43.08SuperPortia|workI know you won't be able to get everything no.
21:43.16Torhal|workI must point out that I find it verily strange that FuBar died during WoW 3.x and people are still fucking updating its plugins during WoW 5.x
21:43.22SuperPortia|workBut stage two was going to include as much of that information as I could get.
21:43.43Semlarit can be sold by multiple vendors
21:44.07Torhal|workBTW: The sourceText is flat out bullshit many times.
21:44.18SuperPortia|workOh, yes.
21:44.25SuperPortia|workIt would be funny if mine was more accurate.
21:45.02SuperPortia|workTorhal, you've got more experience with this than just about anybody. Could you please take a look at the link and let me know if I'm missing any source types.
21:45.07SuperPortia|workhttp://pastebin.com/Q9Pmvraa
21:45.39Torhal|workWorld Event
21:45.42SuperPortia|workAh
21:45.51Torhal|workCan't think of any others but it's possible
21:45.54Semlarfished
21:45.57Torhal|workYah
21:46.02Vlad|asdFuBar is dead?
21:46.02Vlad|asdfubar cant' die!
21:46.03Torhal|workBut that's a Profession
21:46.05Semlararhcaeology
21:46.20SuperPortia|workI'm not sure how to handle tht.
21:46.26Semlari guess they're all professions
21:46.32SuperPortia|workI'll probably copy the current pet system.
21:46.46SuperPortia|workI'm not sure if archaeology is listed separately.
21:47.04Semlarwell, i consider the secondary professions separate from the main ones
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21:47.26SuperPortia|workhttp://pastebin.com/QA31fdzK
21:47.34Vlad|I am back!
21:47.34Semlarbut you could probably just treat them all the same
21:47.38Vlad|so, Torhal, fubar is dead?
21:47.43SuperPortia|workWell this is the raw data.
21:47.50Gnarfozfubar is undead
21:47.56SuperPortia|workI'm going to have a function that does the formatting given a spellID
21:48.29Gnarfozfubar hate, however, is alive and kicking
21:49.02SuperPortia|workI'm guessing there's no way to add buttons to the spellbook easily.
21:49.09bleeteralso goes back to wondering why Enchanters still can't make wands any more
21:49.36Mr_Rabiesplease, ladies and gentlemen,
21:49.41Mr_Rabiesconsider the ham
21:50.16SuperPortia|workI'm assuming there's no ID identifying world events in WoW Lua.
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21:52.02Gnarfozdepends on what you mean by world events
21:52.14Gnarfozand when/how you want them identified
21:52.43SuperPortia|workBy localized name.
21:53.14SuperPortia|workSo F(1234) would return "Mid-Summer Festival" in the right language
21:53.28Gnarfozcould check the achievement categories
21:53.30Semlarthey're in the achievement frame
21:53.38SuperPortia|workI'm trying to pull strings from the system as much as possible.
21:53.59SuperPortia|workDoes the achievement frame have to be loaded first?
21:54.02Gnarfozcheck where the achievement UI gets the category names from
21:54.07SuperPortia|workIs it load-on-demand?
21:54.09Semlarno
21:54.22Semlarthere are achievement api functions you can use
21:54.22Gnarfozdoesn't matter, I meant to say: look at how they do it
21:54.43Semlari did it once to get a list of which zones had overlays before scrapping that idea
21:54.45Gnarfozthen you can do what they do ^^
21:55.02Gnarfoz~framexml
21:55.02purlhmm... framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml
21:55.45Vlad|why is framexml so long?
21:55.55Gnarfozbecause it's a lot of text?
21:56.01Vlad|perhaps link to wowpedia article would suffice? :D
21:56.01Gnarfozwhat kind of question is that
21:56.13Gnarfozno, it wouldn't
21:56.39Mr_Rabiesseems like gazmik may be done with wow :(
21:56.47SuperPortia|workWho?
21:56.52Vlad|who is gazmik and what addons did he make that you use? :p
21:57.32Mr_Rabieshe's a goblin, and maybe he's just on vacation or something, but he makes awesome addons and usually updates them pretty quickly after a patch
21:57.38Mr_Rabieslike factionfriend
21:57.45Mr_Rabiesand scrollmaker
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21:58.12Mr_Rabieshttp://fizzwidget.com/ is where his addons hit first
21:58.48Vlad|aaah
21:59.12Vlad|hei s old
21:59.19Vlad|it's understandable he will disappear ;)
21:59.33Gnarfozyou're still here
21:59.43Vlad|I will disappear at some point too
21:59.46SuperPortia|workI would imagine it's done via !GetCategoryList and !GetCategoryInfo
21:59.48Gnarfozwhen? :D
21:59.56Vlad|soon(tm)
21:59.56SuperPortia|workapi !GetCategoryList
21:59.59AcidWebhttp://i.imgur.com/5K2bB.jpg
22:00.03Gnarfoz!functionname? what
22:00.17Gnarfoz(also, the bot's syntax is:)
22:00.18Gnarfoz!api GetCategoryInfo
22:00.18lua_botGetCategoryInfo: Returns information about an achievement/statistic category (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCategoryInfo)
22:00.39Mr_Rabieshmmm
22:01.03Mr_Rabiesis spell alert the addon that added the things that are now built in to wow with procs, etc?
22:01.16Gnarfozno idea
22:01.17Mr_Rabiesi'm thinking about expanding those to things that don't have alerts yet
22:01.35Gnarfozweak/powerauras
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22:02.22SuperPortia|workSo for worldEventID it would be categoryID
22:02.33Mr_Rabieslike predatory swiftness
22:02.53Mr_Rabiesthanks, Gnarfoz, i couldn't remember what the community called them before they went into wow's baseline stuff
22:03.08Gnarfozthose are actually two specific addons' names
22:03.32Gnarfoz"spell alert" just sounds like a generic term that would describe them, I don't know if an addon of that name existed
22:04.33Mr_Rabiesyeah, there's one called that but that's totally different now that i look at it
22:04.51Mr_Rabiesbut that's what they're called within the official UI now
22:04.57Mr_Rabiesi couldn't remember the original addon's name
22:05.12Mr_Rabiespowerauras is it, but i think imma go with weakauras because i'm a unique snowflake
22:05.29Mr_Rabiesit'd be nice to track predatory swiftness
22:05.47Semlarweakauras is just a newer version of power auras someone made
22:07.54durcynthat's a curiously reductive statement
22:08.45Mr_Rabiesisn't it the same idea just made from the ground up in a different way?
22:08.51Semlarokay, they didn't like power auras so they made their own version of it
22:08.53Mr_Rabiesby another person
22:09.11durcyn'newer version' implies code reuse
22:10.32Semlarit's a newer addon that serves the same function
22:11.24Semlardoes that track for you or do you want to argue about it doing slightly different things
22:12.25Torhal|workSuperPortia|work: Are you re-creating Collectinator or am I missing something? :)
22:12.56Semlaris collectinator for mounts?
22:13.01SuperPortia|workThere's overlap.
22:13.20Torhal|workSemlar: Mounts and pets.
22:13.26SuperPortia|workMy goal was to create feature parity between the mount and pet journals.
22:13.36Torhal|worko.O
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22:14.03SuperPortia|workSo you could see which mounts you didn't have visually and then see their source, but nowhere near the amount of data Collectinator provides.
22:14.11SuperPortia|workNor the mark the map features or the rest.
22:14.44Torhal|workAwrite.
22:14.52SuperPortia|workSo it'll tell you if it's from an achievement and which one. It'll tell you if it's from a vendor, but won't give coordinates.
22:15.06Torhal|workAnywho, you can do GetCategoryInfo(181) for Noblegarden
22:15.19Torhal|workBrewfest is 162.
22:15.19Torhal|workEtc
22:15.28SuperPortia|workYeah, I can just store the IDs for the category.
22:15.28Torhal|work!api getcategoryinfo
22:15.28lua_botGetCategoryInfo: Returns information about an achievement/statistic category (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCategoryInfo)
22:16.04Torhal|workGoing home-time.
22:16.08SuperPortia|workI'm not here to replace Collectinator. And I'll probably still run it.
22:16.55SuperPortia|workI'll just be really happy when I launch the journal and can click and see mounts in 3D that I don't have.
22:17.55SuperPortia|workThankfully Blizzard beat me to the search system so I don't have to implement that.
22:19.50durcynhttps://github.com/p3lim/Collie
22:20.06durcynstill needs to have its custom search field removed, but the filtering is there.
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22:20.30SuperPortia|workWhose is it?
22:20.42durcynp3lim, he's in the channel occasionally
22:22.16SuperPortia|workDoes this: function MountJournal_UpdateMountList()      local scroll = MountJournal.ListScrollFrame      local offset = HybridScrollFrame_GetOffset(scroll)      local total = GetNumCompanions('MOUNT')
22:22.23SuperPortia|workoverride the base function?
22:38.34Semlarif your function has the same name as a global then it's going to override it
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22:49.29Semlarwhich is going to cause taint
22:50.26Semlarwhich only really affects secure frames but it's something to be careful with
22:50.43Torhaltaints all the things.
22:51.27Semlar_G = _G
22:51.41TorhalIndeed.
22:52.48Vlad|:D
22:53.57Vlad|Torhal, why doesn't blizzard clean up taint, they do it sometimes, they should do it more often :p
22:54.13Vlad|especially when related to stuff like staticpopups, dropdowns, e.g.
22:54.59Semlarbecause they'd have to pay someone to do that
22:55.03End_before they added taint, I once proxified every table that was accessible in the global namespace, complete with pairs/ipairs replacements
22:55.12End_it worked well until I tried to log out and then wow crashed
22:55.43Semlari replaced the SetText metamethod
22:55.58End_I really cannot remember why the hell I decided to try what I tried, but talk of tainting everything made me think of that, even though there was no taint back then
22:56.00Semlarit pretty much tainted everything
22:58.05Semlara posthook actually worked pretty well
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23:00.31Vlad|CreateFrame = CreateFrame
23:00.44Vlad|dynamic frame creation is now broken :p
23:01.19Torhalstabs Vlad| with redundancy.
23:01.36AdysArrowmaster: what bug
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23:03.42Vlad|http://imgur.com/gallery/mho3i
23:05.30ArrowmasterAdys: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695155
23:05.54HumbedoohVlad|: but...boobs
23:05.55Adysnice
23:07.39ArrowmasterAdys: now im trying to figure out another one
23:09.27ArrowmasterAdys: brand new hitachi 4TB external drive, i noticed it was using msdos partition format instead of gpt while i was in grml so i reformated it and now its only showing up as a 500GB drive in the debian installer, and when i try to install to it theres a segfault
23:09.38Adysnice
23:09.52Arrowmasteri want to know why a 4TB drive came formated using msdos instead of gpt
23:10.15Adysi guess "because fuck you thats why" doesnt apply here
23:10.41Adysi just came back from fencing, a convenience store down my road on the way here is closing
23:10.51Vlad|http://imgur.com/gallery/nRbK7 AWWWWWWWWW
23:10.52Adysi just bought around £100 worth of ice cream for £6
23:11.30UnkleWhy does anything come with "MSDOS" formatting, that's what... FAT16?
23:11.52End_partition table type
23:11.58End_not fs type
23:12.04Ressylmao. My sister bought her 6 yr old one of the World of Warcraft megablox sets for his birthday today.
23:12.05Vlad|stop talking nerd and look at the cute picture
23:12.08UnkleAh.
23:12.43UnkleThat picture isn't cute.  It's a headshot pasted onto a block of text about statutory rape.
23:14.06DagmarLooks like a kitten to me
23:14.23UnkleOh, I looked at the earlier link.
23:14.29DagmarAh okay
23:14.35Unklebecause, you know, nerd.
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23:20.19AdysFisker: haha
23:20.27AdysFisker: fencing academy of philadelphia.
23:20.28Adyshttp://www.fap-fencing.com/
23:20.30Adysunbelievable
23:20.49Adysemail:  fencefap@hotmail.com
23:21.05Adysplease tell me the guy noticed T_T
23:27.52Vlad|penisland.net
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23:43.18foxlitthere's no convenient event to tell you when an item id has been cached, is there?
23:44.43foxlitokay, there is, but it won't tell you what item. Inconvinient
23:50.31BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:51.31BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:51.49BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:53.02Arrowmaster!api console
23:53.03lua_botFound 3 possible results for 'console': SetConsoleKey, ConsoleExec, ConsoleAddMessage
23:53.07durcyn!api SetCVar
23:53.08lua_botSetCVar: Sets the value of a configuration variable (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetCVar)
23:53.09Arrowmaster!api consoleexec
23:53.10lua_botConsoleExec: Runs a console command (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/ConsoleExec)
23:53.18Arrowmasteroh yeah thats a cvar
23:53.26Arrowmasteruse SetCVar
23:54.06ArrowmasterBroncoB: that help?
23:54.39Vlad|is it me or is she doing it wrong http://touch.vg.no/out/images/article/2012/11/13/20299123/1/fullScreenUrl/225563.jpg she will break her back if she lifts with it -_- the image is a part of an article about health LOL
23:55.44durcyndo you lift weights professionally, Vlad|
23:56.03Vlad|when I see people lift weight like those, they lift with their knees
23:56.15Vlad|rther back must be vertical and straight :D
23:57.13pompyhttp://www.ustream.tv/NASAJPL2
23:57.29Torhalhyperlinks pompy to 4chan.
23:58.02pompyhm
23:58.09BroncoB\
23:58.16BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:58.23BroncoBi could kiss u :)))))
23:58.27TorhalBroncoB: Go find Volumizer and look at my code there.
23:58.36TorhalIf you still need volume code that is.
23:59.00BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:59.17pompyBroncoB: torhal's code isnt basic or good!
23:59.24BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:59.26BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:59.34Torhalformats pompy in FAT16.
23:59.40BroncoB<PROTECTED>
23:59.56Arrowmasterreformats pompy in FAT12

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