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| 01:34.32 | Adys | kd3: is it possible to do valithria without a healer now? |
| 01:34.45 | kd3 | doubt it |
| 01:34.52 | kd3 | is still working his way through bc raids |
| 01:37.16 | xyphoid | heh that was my weekend too |
| 01:37.40 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 01:37.44 | xyphoid | i had never been to cthun or kiljaeden before, nice to be able to rock through |
| 01:38.03 | Mr_Rabies | razuvious is murderin' me |
| 01:38.05 | kd3 | you're not going to get to kj. kalec isn't soloable yet |
| 01:38.12 | xyphoid | you can ride past kalec |
| 01:38.22 | kd3 | oh, well, in that case |
| 01:38.29 | kd3 | ports to shat to run another raid |
| 01:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | onyxia's easy as heck on 10 |
| 01:38.50 | Mr_Rabies | i'mma try 25 next week |
| 01:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | the fight took less than 2 minutes for me |
| 01:39.36 | xyphoid | twins were annoying until i macroed stuff up, illidari council was quite painful too |
| 01:40.09 | kd3 | heh. I killed twins pre-hotfix |
| 01:43.21 | xyphoid | lots of mini pets from the bosses too |
| 01:43.30 | kd3 | I've had horrendous luck with pets |
| 01:43.36 | kd3 | hopefully next reset will be better |
| 01:43.41 | xyphoid | i got like 2 from BWL and 1 from AQ40 |
| 01:50.00 | kd3 | hm. brutallus may not be doable as squishy cloth dps |
| 01:50.06 | kd3 | he hits like a truck |
| 01:51.18 | pompy1 | he is kinda big |
| 01:51.26 | pompy1 | with a sword 500 times the size of u |
| 01:51.42 | pompy1 | dual ones iirc |
| 01:52.18 | xyphoid | got any self-healing? |
| 01:52.48 | kd3 | rune, but that's only for ~3800/sec and he's meleeing for 10k + meteor slashes |
| 01:53.51 | Semlar | dodge! |
| 01:56.10 | kd3 | meh, I can get him down to about half health before he finishes me +images+elemental off. oh well |
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| 02:00.01 | Ackis | kd3: I was having trouble with patchwork as a shadow priest |
| 02:01.08 | Mr_Rabies | really? |
| 02:01.20 | Mr_Rabies | i had like..no problem on patchwerk on a feral druid |
| 02:01.28 | Mr_Rabies | i even got the achieve for speed killing him |
| 02:04.18 | Ackis | he just beats me down |
| 02:04.25 | Ackis | it's nto a dps thing it's a I die too fast |
| 02:06.10 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 02:06.17 | Mr_Rabies | you may want to do it outside of shadowform |
| 02:06.27 | Mr_Rabies | and keeping yourself hotted |
| 02:13.03 | Ressy | You can Prom & renew yourself as a spriest |
| 02:13.07 | Ressy | if you have the glyph |
| 02:13.26 | Ackis | and shield, it just wasn't enough |
| 02:14.35 | Jammer | Ackis: how much damage are you doing? |
| 02:15.05 | Ackis | 50-60k |
| 02:15.42 | Ressy | I couldn't solo loot reaver. :\ |
| 02:15.59 | Ressy | damn silence & enrage timer |
| 02:18.36 | Trela | <Mother> Do you want to go to Chuck E. Cheese's with your two young nephews? <Alexia> Fuck noooooo. |
| 02:18.45 | kd3 | it took forever for me to get loot reaver... had to kite in order to get enough time to actually do damage |
| 02:22.02 | Adys | uh? |
| 02:22.07 | Adys | isnt he easy? |
| 02:23.20 | durcyn | not as a caster, the silence is still pretty brutal |
| 02:23.47 | kd3 | it's a chain silence and there's nothing you can really do about it |
| 02:25.33 | pnorman | hmm, anyone know of a good way to copy the hotkeys from one spec to another? I know that not all of them will copy over but it seems rather annoying to copy all the common ones by hand since i completely redid one |
| 02:28.39 | Semlar | you can uncheck character specific keybindings on the keybind menu |
| 02:28.57 | Semlar | or do you mean copy the spells on the action bars |
| 02:31.39 | pnorman | copy the spells on the action bars |
| 02:32.52 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8075-ActionBarSaver.html maybe? |
| 02:33.40 | pnorman | ya, might work |
| 02:34.33 | pnorman | I suspect I'd be a lot more willing to use my dual spec if I didn't face a giant wall of unbound keys every time I looked at it |
| 02:40.46 | pnorman | now of course I just have to figure out how to play my other spec... |
| 02:55.20 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i use pnorman |
| 02:55.27 | Mr_Rabies | that's actually the exact reason i installed it |
| 02:56.34 | Mr_Rabies | soloed almost every naxx meta |
| 02:56.35 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 02:56.42 | Mr_Rabies | except faerlina's because i'm an idiot |
| 02:56.50 | Mr_Rabies | and didn't read how the fight worked |
| 03:34.29 | Sintacks | i wish suf had aCurrent Power (Smart) text ... |
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| 04:43.28 | karl_w_w | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121126114331AAs5f0t tee hee hee |
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| 04:50.52 | Neffi | nou |
| 05:06.08 | Semlar | who me? couldn't be |
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| 09:26.10 | karl_w_w | i still get lost in maraudon outside the instance |
| 09:29.09 | karl_w_w | in other news, omg there's a pet battle queue? |
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| 09:41.04 | nebula169 | the queue has always been there, did they move the button or something? everyone is mentioning it now |
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| 10:11.39 | Adys | kd3: http://i.imgur.com/sC2OT.jpg |
| 10:11.50 | Adys | im glad to see i wasnt the only one to immediately think "cobblestone generator" |
| 10:12.43 | Vlad| | why is your sea burning? |
| 10:13.55 | Alram | well |
| 10:13.59 | Alram | it obviously isnt a cool sea |
| 10:14.02 | Alram | ohohoho |
| 10:14.30 | Fisker | it's cold Adys |
| 10:14.53 | Alram | i see what you did there Fisker |
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| 11:01.31 | Vlad| | tamed myself a worm... |
| 11:02.29 | Vlad| | check how large he is :P http://i.imgur.com/20vCN.jpg |
| 11:03.10 | wereHamster | Vlad|: cool character name :) |
| 11:03.20 | Vlad| | look at my giant worm :( |
| 11:03.34 | wereHamster | oh, I havent' noticed him |
| 11:03.50 | wereHamster | too distracted by the database you have there. |
| 11:04.22 | Vlad| | :P |
| 11:04.35 | Vlad| | EU wereHamster? |
| 11:04.55 | wereHamster | in-game character? |
| 11:05.28 | Vlad| | region |
| 11:05.58 | wereHamster | I'm Shag of Arthas. |
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| 11:12.17 | Vlad| | lol wereHamster |
| 11:12.24 | Vlad| | I just wanted to ask if you wanna realID buddy me :P |
| 11:12.29 | Vlad| | but I am alliance on EU :P |
| 11:35.47 | chiel | moooorning |
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| 11:36.37 | bluipodcow | Good mooning ? |
| 11:37.02 | Fisker | reported Vlad| |
| 11:37.13 | Vlad| | lol Fisker? :P |
| 11:38.12 | chiel | for being alliance? :D |
| 11:38.25 | Vlad| | probably for asking if EU people want to be in-game friends with me :P |
| 11:38.38 | haste | man. this EU people. |
| 11:38.42 | haste | s/this/these/ |
| 11:39.12 | chiel | i don't think anyone wants to be in-game friends with me, i'd constantly be harassing them about UI stuff. :D |
| 11:39.16 | chiel | specially haste, hehe |
| 11:39.50 | haste | Fisker has me on his list, he knows exactly how often I'm online! |
| 11:39.56 | Vlad| | it's like this, I hang on IRC all the time, I bet someone plays the game and needs help with something but doesn't ask me because he doesn't have my realid in the first place, but thing is, I like to help :P |
| 11:42.42 | chiel | haste: hah, not often? :) |
| 11:43.28 | haste | maybe once a week |
| 11:43.30 | haste | goes up and down |
| 11:44.20 | chiel | ah, yeah that's not often :p |
| 11:44.43 | wereHamster | Vlad|: I don't play that often anyway. |
| 11:44.59 | chiel | i started playing my shaman again yesterday |
| 11:45.10 | Vlad| | when you are guildless |
| 11:45.15 | chiel | i didn't create totem stuff on my unitframes yet, hehe |
| 11:45.16 | Vlad| | you realize how alone you are on the big realms |
| 11:46.27 | Fisker | not for long haste |
| 11:47.37 | chiel | i'm gm of a fairly small guild |
| 11:47.53 | chiel | but i tend to prefer small guilds, where people actually know each other. |
| 11:48.09 | chiel | i used to be in a pretty big guild before, one of those so-called "social" guilds which everyone just joins for the perks :p |
| 11:48.38 | chiel | the only conversation you would see is people saying "grats" every time someone earner yet another meaningless achievement |
| 11:53.24 | chiel | btw, is there an easy way to hide all my actionbars without having to install bartender or some similar addon? |
| 11:55.44 | Vlad| | chiel: you want to hide? why not alt-z? :P |
| 11:55.59 | Vlad| | can always :Hide() but hehe |
| 11:58.42 | Vlad| | if you have the priest or hunter quest from vanilla, does it even work anymore? I figure not since cata. |
| 11:58.58 | Vlad| | but what about the priest one, since it was scripted event, while hunter one had mobs walking around (mobs that are no more) |
| 12:02.51 | chiel | Vlad|: I use weakauras to display all important info, and the rest is just keybinds that are in my muscle-memory anyway |
| 12:03.45 | Vlad| | yeah, well it's simple to hide them |
| 12:03.51 | Vlad| | find their frame name, get their upmost parent |
| 12:03.53 | Vlad| | and :Hide() :D |
| 12:04.14 | chiel | how would I find their framename? |
| 12:05.08 | Vlad| | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.41 | chiel | hm, seems there's a list here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Removing_Blizzard_default_frames |
| 12:05.51 | Vlad| | wowwiki = old |
| 12:05.58 | chiel | aha |
| 12:05.59 | Vlad| | just /fstack the default UI and gimme the name :d |
| 12:06.09 | chiel | yeah I can't atm, at work atm :D |
| 12:06.24 | Vlad| | ah sec then |
| 12:06.32 | chiel | haha it's fine :) |
| 12:06.35 | chiel | i can sort it out tonight |
| 12:07.41 | Vlad| | an suggestion |
| 12:07.43 | Vlad| | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.07 | Vlad| | replace my t with f in the loop :P typo |
| 12:08.24 | chiel | yeah I was just gonna stick it in my addon, which just does a bunch of stuff |
| 12:08.35 | chiel | mainly unitframes, but I just put everything in one addon with modules xD |
| 12:08.36 | Vlad| | I got one of those too |
| 12:08.41 | chiel | cba making a bunch of separate addons |
| 12:09.00 | Vlad| | same :) |
| 12:09.18 | chiel | my addon/oUF skills are still kinda meh though |
| 12:09.35 | chiel | one thing I'd *really* like to get into place though, is a horde/alliance icon |
| 12:09.39 | chiel | on my unit frames |
| 12:09.47 | chiel | of my target, as well as arena frames |
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| 12:10.03 | Vlad| | I leave UF to PB4 :P |
| 12:10.04 | chiel | it's kinda confusing pvping without that information readily available |
| 12:10.12 | chiel | i use oUF |
| 12:10.18 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 12:10.22 | chiel | it's awesome to have that amount of control |
| 12:10.29 | chiel | i used to use PB |
| 12:10.36 | chiel | i swore by it |
| 12:10.43 | chiel | but i enjoy having much more control with oUF |
| 12:11.15 | Vlad| | btw got Venus pet yesterday :3 |
| 12:11.28 | chiel | where's that from again? |
| 12:11.45 | Vlad| | collecting 400 pets |
| 12:11.46 | Vlad| | :P |
| 12:13.05 | chiel | holy shit |
| 12:13.11 | chiel | I don't even have 150 |
| 12:13.23 | Vlad| | someone filed a song under drum and bass but it's dubstep... RAAAAGEEEE! |
| 12:13.34 | chiel | i'll be honest, i haven't really gotten into the whole pet battle thing yet |
| 12:13.45 | Vlad| | I do like pokemon... |
| 12:13.45 | Vlad| | :P |
| 12:13.47 | chiel | i did it a lot for like one evening |
| 12:13.52 | chiel | and then i just.. didn't anymore |
| 12:14.22 | chiel | i don't really know which pets to use as my main ones |
| 12:14.29 | Vlad| | well |
| 12:14.36 | Vlad| | as long you don't use 3 of the same type with same attack types |
| 12:14.40 | chiel | and i kept losing in the pvp pet battles cause everyone and their grandma seems to have stupidly OP ones :p |
| 12:14.42 | Vlad| | :P |
| 12:14.55 | Vlad| | yeah but that's because they use the store pets and collection edition pets |
| 12:14.57 | Vlad| | the OP pets |
| 12:15.01 | chiel | like the clockwerk gnome |
| 12:15.05 | chiel | with the fucking turret |
| 12:15.06 | Vlad| | like panda monk can do 1k dmg in 2 rounds :P |
| 12:15.08 | Vlad| | yeah hee |
| 12:15.20 | Vlad| | weak to fire |
| 12:15.21 | chiel | they just put turret down and kept healing or some shit |
| 12:15.23 | Vlad| | so got my phoenix pet :D |
| 12:15.24 | chiel | still |
| 12:15.42 | Vlad| | I know |
| 12:15.43 | chiel | with the amount of pets in the game, it's near impossible to have 3 pets to cover everything |
| 12:15.46 | chiel | anyway, meeting brb |
| 12:21.06 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 12:22.52 | Vlad| | the geode pet rapes ass |
| 12:34.39 | Vlad| | chiel: I recommend you use a pet with http://www.wowhead.com/petability=606#used-by-battlepet |
| 12:34.41 | Vlad| | it's awesome rape :D |
| 12:41.08 | Vlad| | dodging my immolate - how agile :P |
| 12:41.18 | haste | TIL: PHP casts floats to ints when they are used as array keys |
| 12:41.40 | Vlad| | interesting, thanks haste :) |
| 12:41.50 | Vlad| | didn't know that, haven't used float as keys before :D |
| 12:42.37 | haste | using it for representation of vulgar fractions |
| 12:43.29 | Fisker | haste |
| 12:43.31 | Vlad| | vulgar :D |
| 12:43.34 | Fisker | er du en dåse slime? |
| 12:43.48 | Vlad| | lol what? :P |
| 12:43.51 | Vlad| | dåse slime |
| 12:43.53 | Vlad| | never heard of |
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| 12:45.03 | Vlad| | danish perhaps, Fisker? |
| 12:46.57 | haste | I don't even Fisker.... |
| 12:47.26 | Vlad| | fisker is using google translate to speak in norwegian :P |
| 12:47.30 | Fisker | du skylder mig 1000 kr haste |
| 12:47.37 | Vlad| | or it's danish |
| 12:47.43 | Vlad| | kartofel |
| 12:47.56 | Fisker | kartoffel |
| 12:48.05 | Vlad| | s/f/ff/ |
| 12:48.08 | Vlad| | :P |
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| 12:51.41 | Vlad| | drum and bass does not equal dubstep like music fyi :P |
| 12:52.42 | Vlad| | looking for D&B and finding lots of weird dubstep inspired stuff |
| 12:57.17 | haste | it can be both |
| 12:57.26 | haste | but more dnb than dubstep |
| 12:57.30 | haste | thus being filed under dnb |
| 12:58.49 | stuf | semi-related to this discussion: http://youtu.be/v-CZA5bhK_Q |
| 13:00.45 | haste | feels too stitched together stuf |
| 13:01.05 | stuf | dunno, i kinda like it. swing and moombah. |
| 13:01.19 | haste | I raise you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udsaOEdBvL4 |
| 13:01.32 | stuf | >flashbulb |
| 13:01.36 | stuf | excellect choice, sir |
| 13:01.42 | stuf | flashbulb is autopilot for win |
| 13:01.47 | haste | pretty much |
| 13:02.09 | haste | hardscrabble is the only release I've managed to get the deluxe edition of tho' :P |
| 13:02.13 | stuf | ow |
| 13:02.25 | Vlad| | :P |
| 13:02.26 | stuf | soundtrack to a vacant life is fucking incredible. as is arboreal. |
| 13:02.41 | stuf | and kirlian selections. and fuck, almost all of flashbulb's stuff is. |
| 13:02.52 | Vlad| | I liked the start more on the "swing break" song :P |
| 13:02.52 | haste | I wish he made more like hardscrabble |
| 13:02.56 | Vlad| | before the dubstep came |
| 13:03.16 | stuf | flashbulb's older stuff reminds me a bit of hardscrabble's |
| 13:03.22 | haste | yep |
| 13:03.31 | stuf | the stuff from around kirlian selections. |
| 13:03.40 | stuf | lawn wake ix is reeeeeally sweet. |
| 13:03.44 | haste | I expected another calm album |
| 13:03.49 | haste | so this was a nice surprise |
| 13:03.55 | stuf | yeah |
| 13:04.05 | stuf | i've had pale blue dot on repeat for a while now, too. |
| 13:04.25 | chiel | the flashbulb! <3 |
| 13:04.34 | chiel | kirlian selections is amaaaaazing |
| 13:05.03 | stuf | yeah, dishevel is always "wake the fuck up" for me, because it gets a bit quieter and then suddenly |
| 13:05.14 | chiel | Vlad|: don't have a high enough pet level to go there yet, haha. |
| 13:05.17 | Vlad| | I dislike what you linked me, hase :( |
| 13:05.23 | haste | :P |
| 13:05.37 | stuf | oh lol, just checked my last.fm stats in the longest time |
| 13:05.38 | stuf | http://puu.sh/1wFV7 |
| 13:05.39 | Vlad| | too many genres mixed with main focus on dubstep like stuff |
| 13:06.11 | stuf | doesn't sound really dubstep to me, if you mean flashbulb. |
| 13:06.12 | haste | stuf: http://www.last.fm/user/haste last 12 months :P |
| 13:06.14 | Vlad| | is there a normal version of swing break? :P |
| 13:06.37 | stuf | haste: haha, awesome |
| 13:06.47 | stuf | >Your musical compatibility with haste is SUPER |
| 13:06.52 | haste | fairly high up in overall as well |
| 13:06.56 | stuf | yeah |
| 13:06.57 | haste | :3 |
| 13:07.05 | stuf | igorrr is incredible. and venetian snares. |
| 13:07.16 | haste | new igorrr album, soon! |
| 13:07.17 | stuf | vache still sounds sooooo good with closed headphones. |
| 13:07.24 | haste | closed D: |
| 13:07.35 | haste | I've yet to find a decent pair of closed headphones :( |
| 13:07.50 | stuf | i've a pair of akg k270's, which are pretty good with a preamp. |
| 13:07.53 | stuf | without, notsomuch. |
| 13:07.59 | chiel | I have some beyerdynamics, but they're not fully closed |
| 13:08.07 | haste | using dt 770 250 ohm right now |
| 13:08.22 | haste | but that's mainly because I don't want to bother my roommates with my hifimans ^^ |
| 13:08.34 | stuf | haha |
| 13:08.36 | Vlad| | it's like haste links me a video, I look at it, I ask something related, never getting a response... |
| 13:08.52 | Vlad| | haste probably has ADHD of some sorts |
| 13:08.57 | haste | maybe nobody knows Vlad| ! |
| 13:09.03 | Vlad| | but you linked me :P |
| 13:09.04 | chiel | stuf: dishevel is amazing, but yeah it's quite a shock xD |
| 13:09.22 | stuf | haste: I may have just had to send a friend request |
| 13:09.22 | haste | Vlad|: did I? |
| 13:09.34 | Vlad| | wait it was stuf |
| 13:09.39 | Vlad| | you linked the other :P |
| 13:09.39 | haste | :) |
| 13:09.41 | Vlad| | stuf |
| 13:09.46 | haste | diablo swing orchestra might be something for you Vlad| |
| 13:09.49 | Vlad| | stuf: is there a normal swig break song? |
| 13:09.54 | haste | without being entirely sure |
| 13:09.55 | Vlad| | minus the dubstep :p |
| 13:10.02 | chiel | stuf as in sUF or? |
| 13:10.05 | stuf | chiel: also, six months without light <3 |
| 13:10.07 | stuf | nope :c |
| 13:10.14 | chiel | you never know! |
| 13:10.15 | stuf | Vlad|: hang on, lemme see |
| 13:10.31 | Vlad| | youtube just shows me the dubstep version |
| 13:10.32 | Vlad| | :P |
| 13:10.35 | Vlad| | no mater what I search |
| 13:10.38 | chiel | to be honest i have not listened to much electronic music that much lately |
| 13:10.54 | haste | I pretty much only listen to electronic music these days |
| 13:10.57 | chiel | http://www.last.fm/user/chielkunkels |
| 13:11.01 | stuf | Vlad|: there's just the moombah version |
| 13:11.59 | chiel | haste: i have the dt770 as well, but I think 80ohm version |
| 13:12.14 | haste | dt770 is horribly bass heavy :( |
| 13:12.27 | haste | but everything else with the same level of isolation is shit |
| 13:12.35 | stuf | lately, i've been listening to some roughsketch, too. and teranoid. their crunchy basslines are love. <3 |
| 13:12.38 | haste | was looking at t5p for a while, until I heard it |
| 13:12.52 | haste | needs more roughsketch live |
| 13:12.56 | stuf | yeah |
| 13:13.02 | stuf | i was pleased to find roughsketch on spotify. |
| 13:13.08 | chiel | hmm, well the heavy bass kinda works for most music i listen |
| 13:13.21 | stuf | haste: btw, you might like s.i.m. on kor funkle |
| 13:13.58 | chiel | listening to this with heavy bass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LpMZuBEMk = <3 |
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| 13:14.11 | chiel | (disclaimer: i realise that music might not be for everyone :p) |
| 13:14.15 | haste | I want tot hear the rest of the music as well. not just the bass |
| 13:14.24 | Vlad| | dang |
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| 13:14.32 | stuf | chiel: that's pretty good, too. |
| 13:14.35 | Vlad| | I really liked the swing break song stuf, until the drumbass came in :( |
| 13:14.39 | Vlad| | I mean dupstep :P |
| 13:14.42 | chiel | i can hear just fine with them to be honest, but like i said i do enjoy a bit heavier bass |
| 13:14.44 | stuf | Vlad|: you mean, moombad! |
| 13:14.51 | stuf | </assburgers> |
| 13:14.52 | Vlad| | the wob wob wob part |
| 13:14.56 | chiel | stuf: what is? meshuggah you mean? |
| 13:14.59 | stuf | chiel: yeah |
| 13:15.14 | chiel | yeah i think they're amazing |
| 13:15.27 | stuf | Vlad|: but if you like the beginning, a friend of mine is doing mixes of stuff like that. he uses a bit of more electronic style of stuff found in swing break, but overall his style might be something you like. |
| 13:15.37 | Vlad| | show me :) |
| 13:15.51 | stuf | Vlad|: here https://soundcloud.com/movestache/funky-friday-10 |
| 13:16.11 | stuf | more of a funky style, pretty nice. |
| 13:16.19 | stuf | also, featurecast has some good stuff. |
| 13:16.29 | Vlad| | if I like it, it will be an hour of phun :P |
| 13:16.46 | stuf | spoilers, it has swing break in it, but it's in the minority. |
| 13:16.52 | chiel | haste: btw, i meant to ask you.. pretty much all holypower examples i found for unitframes use textures.. it should be possible to just use a bar as well, right? |
| 13:17.03 | stuf | chiel: i've found myself really fond of the kind of bassdrum here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXeFeOTqxWc <3 |
| 13:17.36 | chiel | the beginning makes me go a bit spastic lol |
| 13:17.39 | haste | chiel: not without some trickery |
| 13:17.49 | Vlad| | do I hear will smith in there, stuf? :p |
| 13:17.53 | chiel | haste: ah ok, as in entirely overriding the update function? |
| 13:18.15 | mitch0 | gah, mysql is stupid |
| 13:18.21 | Vlad| | mitch0: :( |
| 13:18.26 | Vlad| | what do you have against my hunter? |
| 13:18.27 | haste | that's one way chiel |
| 13:18.40 | mitch0 | it has a stupid name? |
| 13:18.43 | Vlad| | mitch0: http://i.imgur.com/20vCN.jpg |
| 13:18.44 | chiel | stuf: yeah, that song is not for me haha |
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| 13:19.40 | mitch0 | whoever thought that when an insert would fail 'cos a number is too large to fit in the column, it's perfectly OK to silently insert the largest number that fits in there? |
| 13:19.45 | mitch0 | stupid stupid stupid |
| 13:20.16 | Vlad| | :D |
| 13:20.23 | haste | I've having problems parsing that sentence |
| 13:20.36 | haste | oh wait |
| 13:20.38 | haste | I see! |
| 13:20.44 | Vlad| | I had database theory and then a postgresql class in uni - was fun to learn the technical aspects |
| 13:21.00 | Vlad| | btw 545 pets collected |
| 13:21.05 | mitch0 | insert int a values (123234345); -> 999.99 |
| 13:21.08 | chiel | haste: what is another way, out of curiosity? :) |
| 13:21.26 | chiel | i guess i could just use a statusbar texture as a texture i suppose |
| 13:21.29 | mitch0 | s/int/into/ |
| 13:21.47 | haste | chiel: redirecting :Show/:Hide on "fake frames" to a statusbar |
| 13:21.49 | stuf | Vlad|: might be will! |
| 13:21.57 | stuf | ugh, time to work sommore |
| 13:22.05 | haste | has the day off. |
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| 13:22.35 | Vlad| | is looking for a job. |
| 13:22.35 | chiel | haste: ah.. i have no idea how to do that. :D perhaps i will simply stick with a texture for now :) |
| 13:22.37 | stuf | it's so depressing to work at this time of the year -- the sun sets at around 3pm, and comes up around 10am. |
| 13:22.51 | Vlad| | lol |
| 13:22.58 | mitch0 | stop living at the north pole |
| 13:23.06 | Vlad| | living near equator has best daily rhythm :P |
| 13:23.07 | haste | but the north pole is awesome |
| 13:23.21 | stuf | it's awesome here. some people think the -15 we have is too cold, but it's pretty awesome. |
| 13:23.30 | chiel | haste: first i should sort totem bars anyway i guess. :P in the sample included in the totems.lua, it uses a button for those |
| 13:23.56 | chiel | what exactly does the button do, since there's also the icon and the cooldown frames? |
| 13:24.18 | haste | they can be clicked to destroy the totems |
| 13:24.28 | chiel | ah i see |
| 13:24.41 | chiel | man i have too much to learn about wow addons. |
| 13:24.48 | chiel | there's an insane amount of stuff you can do |
| 13:25.52 | chiel | gonna go pick up some lunch, brb. |
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| 13:30.46 | Vlad| | you don't pick lunch, lunch picks you |
| 13:31.17 | Vlad| | when I look what I wanna eat usually it's the menu that picks me and makes me want it :P |
| 13:32.25 | nevcairiel | "pick up" != "pick" |
| 13:32.45 | mitch0 | time is an illusion. lunchtime doubly so |
| 13:32.53 | Vlad| | :P |
| 13:33.23 | Vlad| | in the future, how will we manage internet traffic when black holes and such will affect our packets of data? |
| 13:33.52 | Vlad| | in general how the heck can we have a unified time across the universe :P |
| 13:33.59 | Vlad| | seems like a problemo |
| 13:34.25 | nevcairiel | who said anything about unifieid time? |
| 13:34.51 | Vlad| | mitch0 mentioned time :P |
| 13:35.26 | chiel | :p |
| 13:36.02 | Vlad| | we gotta manage FTL travel otherwise we have a huge problem :< |
| 13:37.16 | nevcairiel | not in your lifetime :p |
| 13:37.20 | Vlad| | :D |
| 13:37.28 | Vlad| | I am only 23, you on the other hand.. |
| 13:37.32 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 13:37.54 | Vlad| | see how I snuck in a "you are old" comment? :D |
| 13:37.55 | nevcairiel | i plan to live forever |
| 13:38.05 | pnorman | Physics makes it doubtful if we will ever be able to transmit useful information FTL. This should pose no problem for internet traffic which consists primarily of cute pictures of cats, porn, and facebook status updates. |
| 13:38.24 | Vlad| | we need streaming porn on our deep space colonies |
| 13:38.32 | Vlad| | they say earth porn is the best |
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| 13:42.52 | Vlad| | reading about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon |
| 13:43.18 | bluipodcow | Oh to be 23 again |
| 13:43.32 | bluipodcow | *shakes cane* |
| 13:43.40 | Vlad| | :D |
| 13:43.45 | Vlad| | lol blu you aren't 80 are you? |
| 13:44.10 | bluipodcow | Not yet |
| 13:44.42 | Vlad| | tachyon look interesting |
| 13:44.46 | Vlad| | wonder how their POV is :P lol |
| 13:44.50 | Vlad| | always moving FTL |
| 13:44.59 | Vlad| | if they were sentient that is |
| 13:45.07 | Vlad| | probably a fucked up way to live |
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| 13:54.50 | karl_w_w | ok, finished putting up the christmas tree lights suspension unit |
| 13:55.02 | Vlad| | lol karl |
| 13:55.22 | Vlad| | I got a tiny plastic tree |
| 13:55.26 | Vlad| | I use that :P |
| 13:55.35 | karl_w_w | we have 2 this year |
| 13:56.01 | karl_w_w | one in the small room that faces the street and one in the living room |
| 13:56.01 | Vlad| | each time I get a real tree, so much hastle to clean up after it dries :P |
| 13:56.12 | karl_w_w | yeah real trees aren't worth it |
| 13:56.23 | Vlad| | reusable plasti |
| 13:56.28 | Vlad| | plastic* think of the enrivonment :P |
| 13:56.33 | karl_w_w | last time we got a real tree we got it home and later that afternoon a praying mantis flew out of it |
| 13:56.44 | Vlad| | lol |
| 13:57.08 | karl_w_w | and it was a big bugger |
| 13:57.37 | Vlad| | no pun intended :P |
| 13:57.49 | karl_w_w | seriously it was like a foot long |
| 13:58.33 | Vlad| | did you kill it or let it run outside? |
| 13:59.57 | karl_w_w | went outside |
| 14:03.13 | Vlad| | it probably died in the cold :P |
| 14:03.26 | Vlad| | got kids karl? |
| 14:03.31 | Vlad| | small kids? :p |
| 14:04.09 | Vlad| | how did you explain to them why mr pokey had to go in the cold and die? :P |
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| 14:29.34 | chiel | haste: oh one more question i had btw.. (yes, i have many, sorry! :D), when i create a hp statusbar and i set a .bg on it, it doesn't seem to listen to the :SetVertexColor() i use |
| 14:29.49 | chiel | if i do the same with, say, a border, it works fine |
| 14:29.56 | chiel | it seems to make the bg's darker |
| 14:30.16 | chiel | i tried fiddling about with the bg.muliplier, but it doesn't seem to have much of an effect. |
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| 14:30.29 | chiel | I was trying to give it a transparent white bg |
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| 14:49.09 | karl_w_w | no kids Vlad| |
| 14:49.17 | Vlad| | :D |
| 14:49.54 | Vlad| | wife? karl? |
| 14:53.46 | karl_w_w | Fisker is my wifew |
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| 15:20.09 | Vlad| | kind of funny |
| 15:20.21 | Vlad| | someone making a bot for vanilla wow |
| 15:20.43 | Vlad| | emulation is bad, illegal, yada I know, but funny because back then you could just have an addon to play the game for you :P |
| 15:21.00 | Vlad| | so why not just do that? lol silly - I guess it's more for the programming challenge :) |
| 15:21.48 | Vlad| | Cairenn removed her afk flag when the keyword emu was recorded. :P |
| 15:22.01 | Vlad| | don't worry she'll put on the afk flag in a moment or two :3 |
| 15:22.23 | Darkchaos | because you have no good access to the objectmanager as well as no good interface to load .dlls (ofcourse) to have Navigation Plugins |
| 15:22.54 | Vlad| | the only thing limited I remember was movement, but aside of that, combat logic can be handled by lua :) |
| 15:23.56 | Darkchaos | that's true |
| 15:24.24 | karl_w_w | pretty sure lua does movement too |
| 15:24.49 | Vlad| | can't remember, if so then even more fun |
| 15:24.52 | Vlad| | coding a bot in lua :D |
| 15:24.52 | karl_w_w | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#movement |
| 15:25.08 | Darkchaos | yeah but the logic behind is really hard to create. Don't get me wrong, you could do anything with it |
| 15:25.11 | karl_w_w | all u would need to do is crack open the protection |
| 15:25.12 | Darkchaos | but creating good meshes |
| 15:25.27 | Vlad| | karl in vanilla I can't remember if these protections were there |
| 15:25.30 | Darkchaos | no protection at all in vanilla |
| 15:25.33 | Cairenn | Vlad|: don't be so sure that it (the afk tag) will go back on :p |
| 15:25.43 | Vlad| | :D |
| 15:25.48 | Darkchaos | but you'll have to know when to walk where :D |
| 15:25.51 | karl_w_w | I personally wish Cairenn was here 24/7 |
| 15:26.02 | Vlad| | you got your teaching phase of the bot |
| 15:26.03 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 15:26.07 | Vlad| | record map positions |
| 15:26.07 | Cairenn | :) karl_w_w |
| 15:26.34 | Darkchaos | as well as it maybe will use more RAM than a usuall bot |
| 15:26.55 | Vlad| | first go around once telling it where you wish it to patrol, next step is it following the route and being capable of moving back to it if "lost" or "stuck" |
| 15:27.06 | Vlad| | it's really more of a math related challenge if you ask me :P |
| 15:27.11 | Vlad| | calculating paths |
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| 15:27.18 | Vlad| | but never the less it would be a fun thing :D |
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| 15:27.34 | Vlad| | great coding exercise |
| 15:28.06 | chiel | i have enough trouble just finishing my unitframes lol, let alone coding an entire bot |
| 15:28.10 | Vlad| | in alpha wow you had xyz coordinates of your map position |
| 15:28.15 | Vlad| | I wish we had access to those still :P |
| 15:28.17 | Vlad| | the real coordinates |
| 15:28.37 | Darkchaos | :D |
| 15:28.47 | Vlad| | those that the internal maps use and such |
| 15:29.08 | Darkchaos | what about adding the offset to the mapid (where you lookup the base xyz of the map) |
| 15:29.28 | Vlad| | yeah but it's just nicer when you got direct access to the raw data, not to mention Z doesn't exist anymore |
| 15:29.30 | karl_w_w | Are you alright? pretty much. Are you okay? pretty much. You got your health? pretty much. You know the way? pretty much. You know your limit? pretty much. You understand? pretty much. Are you the man? pretty much pretty much pretty much |
| 15:29.31 | Vlad| | but it would be handy :P |
| 15:30.07 | Vlad| | for instance if you wanna fly to darnassus your addon could tell you how much you should angle yourself up/down to fly at the proper waypoint |
| 15:30.11 | Darkchaos | but keep in mind blizz will sue you if you release :D |
| 15:30.21 | karl_w_w | ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRFDW7pbsdQ |
| 15:30.27 | Vlad| | I am talking about a vanilla bot that can't exist :P so don't worry |
| 15:30.32 | Vlad| | this is all theoretical |
| 15:30.47 | Darkchaos | it could. on a private server for instance |
| 15:31.21 | Vlad| | I doubt the issue with be an addon coded for a vanilla private server, they'd probably focus on the private server first :P lol |
| 15:31.38 | Darkchaos | yes, that is true :D |
| 15:31.45 | Vlad| | like getting a speeding tiket for driving too fast when you have a truck loaded with bombs :P |
| 15:31.50 | Darkchaos | but give it a try! :D |
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| 15:32.08 | Vlad| | it's like, no use for this, but fun challenge ;) |
| 15:32.16 | Vlad| | tons of shit to learn |
| 15:32.19 | Darkchaos | now that is even more dangerous :D it is dangerous enough driving bombs, but too fast?! :D |
| 15:32.31 | Vlad| | that was my point |
| 15:33.14 | Darkchaos | yeah :D |
| 15:33.35 | Darkchaos | what is the use of uidev? tons of shit to learn, for nothing but the fun :D |
| 15:34.31 | TC-work | There are people that have been hired because of ui development |
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| 15:35.19 | Vlad| | yeah, 2-3 people since 2002 |
| 15:35.23 | Vlad| | :P |
| 15:35.32 | Cairenn | More than that |
| 15:35.38 | TC-work | ^ |
| 15:35.45 | TC-work | and that's -only- blizz |
| 15:35.47 | Cairenn | And not only by Blizz |
| 15:35.48 | Vlad| | last time you mentioned a low number :3 |
| 15:35.49 | Cairenn | heh |
| 15:35.59 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.07 | Cairenn | No, last time I said there were more than that but that they weren't all at Blizz |
| 15:36.10 | Cairenn | hi bluipodcow |
| 15:36.25 | bluipodcow | Herro! |
| 15:38.22 | chiel | i wouldn't mind being hired by blizz as a web developer.. |
| 15:38.40 | chiel | but most of their dev takes place in the US |
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| 15:43.12 | Vlad| | living in norway so nah |
| 15:43.24 | Vlad| | I wouldn't realy seek out to work at blizz :P |
| 15:43.35 | Vlad| | that would have me moving far away where I don't know jack shit about how things are hehe |
| 15:46.57 | Vlad| | patch 1.1 and onward required hardware events for a lot of API like moving |
| 15:47.09 | Vlad| | but you can buypass that with a simple program just spamming a button to trigger these hardware events for you :P |
| 15:47.22 | Vlad| | just adding on the conversation about vanilla bot in lua :P |
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| 15:48.10 | Vlad| | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCurrentPosition |
| 15:48.12 | Vlad| | WTB |
| 15:53.08 | karl_w_w | oh hey these dailies are named after queen songs |
| 15:53.51 | chiel | which ones? |
| 15:54.01 | alestane | Better than the Sons of Hodir dailies, |
| 15:54.37 | chiel | all the klaxxi augmentations are named after old rock/metal songs |
| 15:55.34 | karl_w_w | the shieldwall ones in domination point |
| 15:55.44 | chiel | ah, didn't realise |
| 15:56.20 | karl_w_w | a kind of magic, under pressure, hammer to fall, we will rock you |
| 15:56.21 | Vlad| | making a mmo with no references, that's a challenge |
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| 16:00.40 | karl_w_w | and don't lose your head |
| 16:00.46 | karl_w_w | the best of those songs! |
| 16:00.58 | karl_w_w | except under pressure |
| 16:01.12 | karl_w_w | and maybe hammer to fall, depending on mood |
| 16:01.13 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 16:01.18 | SuperPortia | Getting the position of a genric unit? |
| 16:01.22 | SuperPortia | generic* |
| 16:02.06 | SuperPortia | Does GetPlayerMapPosition not work for you? |
| 16:02.26 | Vlad| | no Z coordinate |
| 16:02.27 | Vlad| | :P |
| 16:02.57 | Vlad| | in a game where you can travel along the Z axis it would be nice to also know that one |
| 16:03.31 | Vlad| | I got it, 3d map I am a genious :P |
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| 16:10.13 | TC-work | Seeing as that's not how genius is spelled, I'll reserve judgment. |
| 16:10.55 | Dagmar | Mac users. |
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| 16:23.41 | karl_w_w | torrent stuck on 92.7% = good stuff |
| 16:24.19 | karl_w_w | 6 months now |
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| 16:26.48 | TC-work | 6 Months? go get another one.... |
| 16:27.07 | karl_w_w | there isn't another one :P |
| 16:27.08 | SuperPortia | huh? |
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| 16:38.44 | Vlad| | genius :P |
| 16:39.22 | Vlad| | ingenious |
| 16:39.23 | Vlad| | genius |
| 16:39.27 | Vlad| | I blame english :P |
| 16:40.00 | Vlad| | why not ingenius? :P |
| 16:40.38 | Vlad| | btw any way I can harnes my static electricity power to be more useful? |
| 16:40.57 | Vlad| | when I take of clothes or sleep and then wake up, I charge stuff so it gives me a shock sometimes -_- |
| 16:41.15 | Vlad| | most noticably when I put on my headset the tiny metal piece sets of my charge and it's just annoying lol |
| 16:41.28 | SuperPortia | I missed something. What were you waiting on for six months? |
| 16:41.37 | Vlad| | maybe a blanket that absorbs static electricity and charges my phone or something is more useful than giving me shocks when I touch stuff :P |
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| 16:41.46 | Vlad| | torrent that is stuck at 97% something |
| 16:42.50 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/petability=780 <- in the pet journal says DATA ERROR instead of 100 :P |
| 16:43.44 | Vlad| | ;) |
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| 16:44.57 | Vlad| | gotta go work now but, I'll be back later! so in the meantime, talk and have fun but remember to hide in advance so I don't spot you when I return. |
| 16:45.19 | Kalroth | >< |
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| 17:00.48 | Semlar | ohai |
| 17:01.42 | karl_w_w | Semmie! |
| 17:01.49 | Semlar | karly! |
| 17:02.16 | TC-work | Vomity |
| 17:02.40 | Semlar | i can feel the love |
| 17:02.53 | TC-work | That's not love dripping down you..... |
| 17:03.08 | Semlar | isn't it? |
| 17:03.46 | TC-work | If it is, there needs to be some serious thought readjustment. |
| 17:04.20 | SuperPortia | Peoples! |
| 17:06.50 | Semlar | what are you up to |
| 17:08.29 | SuperPortia | I'm thinking about how I'm going to implement my next feature. |
| 17:08.59 | TC-work | Have someone else do it? |
| 17:09.07 | TC-work | always seems to be the most optimal |
| 17:09.08 | Semlar | very carefully |
| 17:09.50 | SuperPortia | Well like Collectinator, I wanted to show mounts you don't have. |
| 17:10.15 | SuperPortia | Because I'd also like to show what they look like in the mount preview window. |
| 17:10.48 | SuperPortia | I think being able to do that would be a very cool feature for people who like mounts, but don't have the time to "catch them all" |
| 17:10.58 | Semlar | you'll probably need a list |
| 17:11.02 | SuperPortia | Yeah. |
| 17:11.09 | Semlar | i don't know if there's any way to figure it out in game |
| 17:11.19 | SuperPortia | But I also don't want to step on the Collectinator's feet too much. |
| 17:11.36 | SuperPortia | I doubt there is. Basically it'll require a DB of creatureIDs |
| 17:11.51 | Torhal|work | Only way to do it. |
| 17:12.01 | SuperPortia | Hey Torhal |
| 17:12.04 | Torhal|work | No API to say "Show me what I don't have", so... |
| 17:12.06 | SuperPortia | I've been meaning to talk to you. |
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| 17:12.41 | Semlar | i was thinking more along the lines of scanning a range of ids and seeing what pops up |
| 17:12.49 | Torhal|work | If all you need is a list of NPC IDs, I don't have a problem with it but I'm also not the only one you'd need to talk to. |
| 17:13.06 | SuperPortia | I have the dilemma where I'd like to do some things that Collectinator does, but I don't want to just insert myself into your project and I don't want to step on your toes. |
| 17:13.43 | SuperPortia | Ultimately I'd like to have the same information as the pet journal which would mean basic stuff like if it comes from the TCG, an achievement, or a vendor. |
| 17:13.45 | Torhal|work | Depending on what you need…I wrote a public-facing API for Ackis Recipe List so GnomeWorks could plug into it. |
| 17:14.32 | SuperPortia | And Collectinator uses the same API? |
| 17:15.57 | Torhal|work | No, completely different animal. For GnomeWorks, lilsparky wanted to grab data from ARL if it was running as well, per recipe. |
| 17:16.36 | chiel | Stanzilla: I never realised you work on weakauras.. |
| 17:17.28 | nevcairiel | work is hardly the term i would use |
| 17:17.57 | chiel | hah :p |
| 17:18.07 | chiel | "involved with"? |
| 17:18.25 | chiel | does anyone else here use weakauras btw? |
| 17:18.33 | SuperPortia | I talked a little bit with Ressy. I was thinking that it might be possible, though annoying, to split out the database of mount and pet data to be used in an independent way. |
| 17:18.40 | nevcairiel | mostly he tries to troll other people into writing code for it |
| 17:19.01 | chiel | i was having an issue with it where it wouldn't track Rip properly... the timer on the unitframe was about 1 sec off from the time reported by weakauras |
| 17:19.02 | Ressy | o.O |
| 17:24.04 | SuperPortia | I know you said that I would likely need to talk to Torhal and Ackis about it, which I'm trying to. Ressy, you also said it would be next to impossible, if I remember correctly -- if it were to even be done. |
| 17:24.22 | SuperPortia | Though given that face, I'm now thinking I'm misremembering something. |
| 17:24.58 | wereHamster | is it not possible to add links to forum posts? |
| 17:25.06 | Semlar | on wowi? |
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| 17:25.21 | wereHamster | battle.net |
| 17:25.29 | Semlar | i think they did disable links |
| 17:25.34 | Arrowmaster | i already hate windows8 and its still setting up the account and hasnt let me use the new laptop yet |
| 17:26.04 | Semlar | it used to redirect to a "you are leaving battle net!" page but i'm pretty sure they got rid of it completely |
| 17:26.15 | wereHamster | wow, that's stupid |
| 17:26.34 | TC-work | Calm down Arrowmaster, 7 does the same thing |
| 17:26.48 | AcidWeb | So BATTLEGROUND SendAddonMessage channel was removed or replaced by something else? |
| 17:26.54 | Semlar | it's harder to trick people into clicking on a keylogger if they have to copy the link but not much |
| 17:26.56 | wereHamster | Arrowmaster: has any windows version allowed you to 'use' the laptop at all? |
| 17:27.02 | Arrowmaster | TC-work: does 7 let you input the wifi password as one of the first steps? |
| 17:27.15 | TC-work | Middle steps iirc |
| 17:27.28 | Arrowmaster | does it make you input it completely from scratch if you mess it up |
| 17:27.46 | nevcairiel | its a password, how else do you correct a masked input? :P |
| 17:27.57 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt masked at all |
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| 17:29.47 | Arrowmaster | once i figure out how to burn the windows recovery partition to cd/dvd and figure out the proper way to setup full disk encryption in linux with an encrypted swap that still lets it hibernate, windows is gone |
| 17:30.29 | SuperPortia | Do you have a UEFI motherboard? |
| 17:30.55 | Arrowmaster | probably since its a windows 8 laptop |
| 17:31.18 | SuperPortia | Did they ever resolve the thing that prevents unsigned boot loaders from running in UEFI? |
| 17:31.31 | nevcairiel | its not UEFI in itself thats the problem |
| 17:31.43 | nevcairiel | its just systems that come with the SecureBoot feature |
| 17:32.25 | Arrowmaster | which i should be able to turn off |
| 17:32.31 | Arrowmaster | if not it gets returned |
| 17:36.47 | AcidWeb | AcidWeb: It was replaced with INSTANCE_CHAT |
| 17:36.50 | AcidWeb | AcidWeb: Thank you |
| 17:36.53 | AcidWeb | AcidWeb: You welcome. |
| 17:37.05 | nevcairiel | its not a 1:1 replacement though |
| 17:37.37 | AcidWeb | Because? |
| 17:37.39 | Arrowmaster | so all i have of win8 is a blank screen with a mouse curser |
| 17:38.12 | Arrowmaster | yay for improved user experience |
| 17:38.21 | nevcairiel | its you, not the OS |
| 17:38.34 | nevcairiel | or the shit your OEM did to it |
| 17:39.18 | Arrowmaster | its a toshiba |
| 17:40.19 | Arrowmaster | i pushed the power button twice and got a login screen when it came back on |
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| 17:40.54 | nevcairiel | my laptop came with win7 and a upgrade to win8, i did a clean win8 install to try it out for a while, and its been running just fine |
| 17:40.59 | Arrowmaster | logged in with the password i never set on it (my live account password) and back to a black screen with just a cursor |
| 17:44.18 | Arrowmaster | lets try this again, ctrl-alt-deleted to force a sign off instead of a screen lock, and now im trying to login again |
| 17:44.22 | Arrowmaster | and it worked |
| 17:44.32 | Arrowmaster | god help anybody thats new to computers |
| 17:45.31 | Arrowmaster | and now i have no fucking idea what the hell im doing |
| 17:46.26 | Arrowmaster | where are you control panel or whatever youve been replaced with |
| 17:50.58 | TC-work | just type it in |
| 17:52.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah i found it, now im trying to figure out how to get into the bios/uefi settings |
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| 17:58.05 | SuperPortia | Have any of you used a contribution model for gathering data? |
| 17:58.44 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghgg_fukbvU Pretty impressive |
| 17:58.48 | Unkle | You mean like Curse and WoWHead collecting user submissions to fill their databases? |
| 17:59.14 | SuperPortia | Yeah, or like QuestHelper or QuestCompletionist |
| 18:05.19 | SuperPortia | I'll take that as a no. |
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| 18:08.14 | Arrowmaster | ok so i have to go into the toshiba app installer and install the toshiba recovery media creator to create a recovery disc |
| 18:08.57 | Arrowmaster | or not since when i do that it asks if i want to remove it..... |
| 18:09.06 | Arrowmaster | where the fuck is this recovery media creator |
| 18:09.48 | SuperPortia | Possibly on their website. |
| 18:10.14 | Arrowmaster | i found it by searching for just 'recovery' its not got toshiba in the name so i couldnt find it searching for toshiba |
| 18:12.03 | Arrowmaster | i really hate having to search for everything by name |
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| 18:16.49 | Semlar | i would prefer if it just already knew what i was looking for |
| 18:18.29 | chiel | with oUF, is there a somewhat easy way of adding horde/alliance icons to unit frames? |
| 18:19.10 | haste | the pvp element |
| 18:19.33 | chiel | goes and looks at it |
| 18:20.08 | chiel | awesome, seems easy enough :) |
| 18:20.51 | chiel | i hate to seem like a suck-up but |
| 18:20.56 | chiel | haste: oUF is awesome :D |
| 18:23.29 | foxlit | UNIT_SPELLCAST events are kind of meh :/ |
| 18:25.06 | foxlit | Can't tell what you actually cast on what, which is annoying |
| 18:29.02 | chiel | foxlit: can't you catch that event and then use UnitCastingInfo() to do stuff with it? |
| 18:29.23 | foxlit | won't tell you the target. |
| 18:29.28 | chiel | ah :) |
| 18:29.35 | chiel | hm |
| 18:29.39 | chiel | how does quartz do that? |
| 18:29.42 | chiel | do they parse combat log? |
| 18:30.06 | Semlar | combat log won't let you the target of a spell with a cast time |
| 18:30.39 | Semlar | you can get the target of a unit when they start casting but it could be something like a focus or mouseover |
| 18:30.46 | chiel | right, cause it doesn't hit yet.. hmm |
| 18:30.51 | chiel | yeah |
| 18:31.00 | chiel | was thinking about simply getting target, but it's unreliable |
| 18:31.07 | foxlit | I wouldn't mind knowing after the spell finished, but combat log won't even acknowledge these spells. |
| 18:31.15 | Semlar | oh? |
| 18:31.42 | chiel | weird |
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| 18:32.48 | Semlar | i think for the player at least there's probably a way to figure out the target of a spell |
| 18:33.01 | Semlar | even if it takes some extra effort |
| 18:33.18 | SuperPortia | SavedVariables\MyAddon.lua is just an executable Lua file right? (not at computer to check) |
| 18:33.40 | SuperPortia | Something like MyAddon = { blah, blah, blah, { blah } } |
| 18:33.40 | Semlar | executable? |
| 18:33.55 | SuperPortia | Meaning runnable by the Lua environment |
| 18:33.58 | Semlar | yeah it just stores the table |
| 18:34.08 | SuperPortia | And not something that requires special processing by WoW |
| 18:34.11 | SuperPortia | ok |
| 18:34.19 | Semlar | it's a plain text lua file |
| 18:34.35 | SuperPortia | So basically I could create a data-mining Lua add-on and just have them e-mail me the saved variables. |
| 18:34.54 | SuperPortia | Then it's copy-paste into my "official" DB file. |
| 18:35.15 | Semlar | you could |
| 18:35.31 | Semlar | it's only written to when the client closes or is reloaded |
| 18:35.48 | SuperPortia | Well most everything I need can be gotten through the API. So I just need to find people with a lot of mounts. |
| 18:36.03 | Semlar | you could just scrape wowhead |
| 18:36.10 | SuperPortia | And then when I detect a mount that the DB doesn't have, throw it into the for-upload saved variable. |
| 18:38.18 | SuperPortia | In general I prefer not to take wholesale other people's data, but I may bend my rules on this if it's generally expected. |
| 18:38.50 | Semlar | i think it would be a better idea to scrape wowhead than try and get users to run your program |
| 18:39.15 | SuperPortia | I have a few people with mount addictions already willing to help, but your point is well taken |
| 18:40.02 | SuperPortia | This presumes also that Wowhead publishes the data in question. |
| 18:40.10 | SuperPortia | I'm sure it's in there somewhere. |
| 18:40.40 | SuperPortia | I'm wondering if the id's that WoWhead uses are the same as the ones WoW uses. |
| 18:40.47 | Semlar | i'm also almost positive you could pull off some sort of item scanning on your own client to get the mounts |
| 18:41.25 | Unkle | WoWHead's ItemID numbers and SpellID numbers come right out of the game client. |
| 18:41.27 | SuperPortia | After talking with the Collectinator people it sounds like you can't do it through the API. I might be able to do it through the MPQ editors. |
| 18:41.38 | SuperPortia | What about creatureID? |
| 18:41.56 | Unkle | Never meddled with them, so I don't know. |
| 18:42.06 | Semlar | not directly through the api but you can construct a tooltip for an item that's been cached and all mounts are also spells |
| 18:42.18 | SuperPortia | local creatureID, creatureName, spellID, icon, active = GetCompanionInfo("MOUNT", index); |
| 18:42.27 | SuperPortia | That's the data returned from GetCompanionInfo |
| 18:42.43 | SuperPortia | I'll need all of it for the DB except for active. |
| 18:42.43 | Semlar | which means if you can identify a spell as a mount you can scan a range of spell ids and construct a list |
| 18:43.00 | SuperPortia | You can't call that for mounts you don't have. |
| 18:43.39 | Semlar | i was able to output text for every quest in the game with a tooltip scanner i made a while back, i'm pretty sure it could be modified for this |
| 18:44.10 | SuperPortia | How does it work? |
| 18:45.56 | Semlar | it creates a bunch of tooltips and sets their hyperlinks with whatever id it's up to and waits for the tooltip to fill up with text |
| 18:46.44 | Semlar | i think every mount has text in its tooltip that could be used to identify it |
| 18:46.50 | SuperPortia | Basically GameTooltip:SetSpellByID(spellID)? |
| 18:46.56 | Semlar | basically |
| 18:47.25 | SuperPortia | You just start throwing spellIDs at it until you get ones that are mounts? |
| 18:47.39 | Semlar | that's my proposition |
| 18:47.51 | SuperPortia | Neat idea. |
| 18:48.01 | SuperPortia | Are the spells grouped by type at all in their ranges? |
| 18:48.07 | Semlar | no |
| 18:48.23 | SuperPortia | And I'm assuming you just screen-scrape at that point. |
| 18:48.40 | Semlar | actually the spells are in the dbc files so you could export them that way |
| 18:49.00 | Semlar | but that's a pain in the ass |
| 18:49.11 | SuperPortia | DBC files are something new to me. |
| 18:49.27 | Semlar | they're the database files inside the mpq files in the wow folder |
| 18:49.33 | SuperPortia | And hopefully the creature ID will be somewhere in the tooltip |
| 18:49.36 | SuperPortia | ah |
| 18:50.31 | Semlar | not sure how viable this is going to be if you want the creature id |
| 18:50.45 | SuperPortia | Hopefully though the API will let me call MountJournal.MountDisplay.ModelFrame:SetCreature(creatureID) for mounts you don't have. |
| 18:51.05 | SuperPortia | The creature ID is critical to the functionality. Otherwise I'm just a poor man's Collectinator. |
| 18:51.39 | SuperPortia | The idea is that the thing would show you mounts you don't have and then let you click on them and then the right-hand pane would show you that mount in 3D. |
| 18:51.41 | Semlar | you could use modelframe to scan for existing creature ids |
| 18:51.58 | SuperPortia | I'm guessing it returns all creatures, not just mounts. |
| 18:52.05 | Semlar | yes |
| 18:52.18 | SuperPortia | But if it's everything then I may have a new idea for an add-on. |
| 18:52.19 | Semlar | can you get any information with the creature id itself? |
| 18:52.42 | SuperPortia | No. |
| 18:53.02 | SuperPortia | Basically the mount info is the icon for the button, the spell id for the spell and the creature id for the model. |
| 18:53.26 | SuperPortia | The only thing that gets all three together is GetCompanionInfo("MOUNT", index) and only for mounts you have. |
| 18:53.39 | Semlar | hm |
| 18:54.10 | SuperPortia | That said, Wowhead may be another place where they're together. |
| 18:54.28 | SuperPortia | There's a feature where you can look at the creature in 3D. I'm guessing it uses the creature ID. |
| 18:54.38 | SuperPortia | So the spell, the icon and the creature ID could be there as well. |
| 18:54.43 | SuperPortia | Then I'd just have to clean it up. |
| 18:54.49 | Semlar | you can get the icon from the spell id |
| 18:54.58 | Semlar | so all you need is the spell id and the creature id for the model |
| 18:55.11 | SuperPortia | I can get the spell ID from Wowhead. |
| 18:57.08 | SuperPortia | So if I can confirm that 27821 is the creatureID for Armored Brown Bear, then I should be good. |
| 18:57.31 | Semlar | modelframe:SetCreature(27821) |
| 18:58.02 | SuperPortia | That or 32207 |
| 18:58.09 | SuperPortia | Yeah I know how to find out. I just have to do it. |
| 18:58.16 | SuperPortia | I'm at work with no WoW access. |
| 19:00.01 | SuperPortia | One of my long-term features would be to show the creature with the player mounted, but I'd probably need API support for that. |
| 19:00.14 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/YqiwA |
| 19:00.31 | Unkle | I don't think you have access to creature models your client hasn't seen yet - so you might have some issues there. |
| 19:02.17 | Semlar | yeah they have to be cached |
| 19:02.44 | SuperPortia | Wouldn't them just running around cache them? |
| 19:02.59 | Semlar | if you see them |
| 19:03.37 | Semlar | i can tell you 65060 is the creature id for 127287 blue dragon turtle |
| 19:03.53 | Semlar | which is the Apply Aura: Mounted effect on wowhead |
| 19:03.55 | Unkle | caches get cleared regularly too. Especially by people using NPCScan and for client patches. |
| 19:04.21 | SuperPortia | So I would have that limitation. |
| 19:04.35 | SuperPortia | I would imagine they re-fill pretty quickly. |
| 19:04.50 | Dagmar | Assuming your server is full of rare everythings, shore. |
| 19:05.03 | Semlar | you can store the model path and use setmodel but it won't necessarily have a texture |
| 19:05.14 | SuperPortia | You can force someone to look like a different creature model. Could you change someone like that and run through those and then it would work. |
| 19:05.48 | SuperPortia | I'm ok with not showing the ones that aren't cached yet. It's still better than nothing. |
| 19:06.08 | Semlar | as far as i know there's no way to force it to cache something because it uses the last model that it saw for that creature |
| 19:06.36 | Semlar | i made an addon that tracked everything you ever saw http://www.curseforge.com/media/images/19/155/bestiary_screeny1.jpg |
| 19:06.45 | SuperPortia | ok, so Apply Aura: Mounted(creatureID) in wowhead will give me what I need. |
| 19:07.31 | Semlar | setcreature will just do nothing if the thing is no longer cached |
| 19:08.05 | SuperPortia | Is there a way to check if something is in the cache? |
| 19:08.15 | Semlar | i did use a sort of convoluted backup plan which was to use GetModel to save it immediately after i cached it and use that instead of SetCreature |
| 19:08.52 | Semlar | yeah you can check if something is in the cache by trying to set the creature id and then trying to get the model path |
| 19:09.13 | Semlar | if it's not in the cache it won't fill in anything |
| 19:09.19 | SuperPortia | And you get back nil or something? |
| 19:09.20 | Semlar | although there's some delay |
| 19:09.27 | Semlar | i think |
| 19:09.34 | SuperPortia | I only need it at human click speed. |
| 19:10.26 | Semlar | you might have to use some sort of timer where if it hasn't gotten a path within a set amount of time it doesn't exist |
| 19:10.31 | SuperPortia | (Also not everyone uses NPCScan, so I can make a compatibility note that says if you clear your cache, you will have to see mounts you don't own in the wild before it'll show them again). |
| 19:10.32 | Semlar | i'm not sure it'll cause an event |
| 19:10.51 | SuperPortia | Something to play around with. |
| 19:11.01 | SuperPortia | * Disclaimer: I use NPCScan |
| 19:11.08 | Semlar | you don't even have to see the mount itself just an npc with the same model |
| 19:11.19 | Semlar | or at least the same creature id |
| 19:12.01 | Semlar | wait i could have sworn they did something where you didn't need to have it cached to set its model |
| 19:12.19 | Semlar | maybe it's just for like quest npcs and stuff |
| 19:13.00 | Semlar | SetDisplayInfo? |
| 19:14.39 | Semlar | yes |
| 19:14.58 | Semlar | if you're scraping this information from wowhead you can get the display id of the mount |
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| 19:15.21 | Semlar | and use that with model:SetDisplayInfo and it won't need to be cached |
| 19:15.28 | SuperPortia | awesome. |
| 19:15.44 | Semlar | that's what their model viewer uses, it says like displayId: 43718 |
| 19:15.49 | Semlar | for the turtle |
| 19:15.50 | SuperPortia | Yeah |
| 19:16.19 | SuperPortia | ModelViewer.show({ type: 1, typeId: 65060, displayId: 43718 }) |
| 19:16.23 | SuperPortia | typeID is the creatureID |
| 19:16.34 | SuperPortia | and displayID is that other thing I guess. |
| 19:17.45 | Semlar | yeah it works, i can't do SetCreature(32207) because it's not cached but i can do SetDisplayInfo(27821) |
| 19:18.15 | Semlar | which interestingly doesn't cache it |
| 19:18.33 | Semlar | probably has nothing to do with the creature id |
| 19:19.57 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/item=44226&xml |
| 19:21.17 | SuperPortia | What are you calling setDisplayInfo on? |
| 19:21.30 | Semlar | a dressup model frame |
| 19:21.48 | SuperPortia | Ok |
| 19:21.57 | Semlar | specifically CharacterModelFrame:SetDisplayInfo |
| 19:22.02 | SuperPortia | There's got to be a better API reference than WoWWiki |
| 19:22.11 | Semlar | wowprogramming.com |
| 19:22.25 | Semlar | except it's not a documented function |
| 19:22.34 | Unkle | WoWPedia too. WoWWiki is not maintained by most of us. |
| 19:22.55 | Semlar | i'd document it but that sounds like work |
| 19:23.50 | SuperPortia | I'll likely document the functions I end up using. |
| 19:23.59 | SuperPortia | But WoWWiki was way too out of date to be worth it. |
| 19:25.13 | Unkle | use wowpedia and update there instead. :) |
| 19:26.18 | Semlar | i spent a lot of time figuring out how the model system worked back when i wrote that addon |
| 19:27.22 | Semlar | not much of the information is available in-game |
| 19:28.04 | SuperPortia | Which add-on? |
| 19:28.52 | Semlar | my bestiary addon, i only uploaded one version and someone posted on it that they already made an addon that tracked that spells mobs cast so i just stopped uploading mine |
| 19:29.50 | Semlar | it was badass because it showed you what you were in combat with and scanned the spell tooltips to figure out if it could cleave or fear or stun etc |
| 19:30.04 | SuperPortia | So I figure almost every function in WoW already has an add-on for it (except for the really new functionality). But my hope is to take some of the ideas out there and do them in a way that makes them feel like part of the client and a natural addition. |
| 19:30.12 | SuperPortia | Nice. |
| 19:30.16 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/kDmnQ.jpg this is what it looked like |
| 19:30.18 | SuperPortia | You've been at this awhile. |
| 19:31.52 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/OwY3z.jpg this was another version that was just to track the health of what you were fighting |
| 19:31.58 | Semlar | just an experiment |
| 19:33.23 | Semlar | and apparently also my addon that showed me how close my healer was, i forgot about that |
| 19:33.39 | SuperPortia | Good ideas. |
| 19:34.07 | Semlar | it just had a little arrow pointing towards them and how far away they were |
| 19:34.28 | Semlar | or if i was targeting someone it pointed at them |
| 19:34.47 | SuperPortia | How long have you been doing this? |
| 19:34.53 | Semlar | a while |
| 19:35.14 | SuperPortia | What else do you program in/for? |
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| 19:35.35 | Semlar | i do python and php for websites |
| 19:35.49 | SuperPortia | I think I may have asked you that question before. |
| 19:35.52 | Semlar | javascript |
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| 19:36.26 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/eBbzU.jpg map |
| 19:37.21 | SuperPortia | You play horde? |
| 19:37.25 | Semlar | yeah |
| 19:37.32 | Semlar | very few of the addons i wrote for myself i actually ever released |
| 19:38.49 | SuperPortia | Is that because they were more learning experiences? |
| 19:39.36 | Semlar | it's because i didn't want to keep them updated or add options or make sure they actually worked right |
| 19:40.02 | SuperPortia | Basically the fit and finish required to maintain an add-on. |
| 19:40.11 | Thunder_Child | i suspect you don't mean the last one Semlar |
| 19:40.30 | Semlar | i can't be bothered to make sure something works when i use it! |
| 19:40.40 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 19:40.57 | Thunder_Child | well at least you are following one of the virtues properly |
| 19:41.06 | SuperPortia | That's partly why I'm making things that go well with the client. I'm hoping Blizzard will copy them and then I won't have to keep the updated. |
| 19:41.10 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/E1g62.jpg this was another version of displaying the health of everything i was in combat with |
| 19:41.18 | Arrowmaster | damnit ran into a major snag, tried to boot a livecd and the graphics out put is garbled from grub and after |
| 19:41.23 | Semlar | the little green skull |
| 19:42.34 | SuperPortia | It seems like the popular add-ons are the ones that do a lot rather than make a small change here or there. |
| 19:42.45 | Semlar | not necessarily |
| 19:43.09 | Semlar | a lot of the ones that get downloaded frequently are just like.. map coordinates you can drag around or something |
| 19:43.21 | Semlar | basic stuff |
| 19:43.46 | SuperPortia | I would say that the popular ones are very tightly themed. They do their thing well (or mostly well). |
| 19:44.03 | SuperPortia | But, I would agree there aren't any hard and fast rules, just trends. |
| 19:44.09 | Semlar | shit look how popular carbonite is and it doesn't even work |
| 19:45.08 | Semlar | it's got to be because of its huge user base from before it started falling apart |
| 19:45.33 | SuperPortia | What does Carbonite do other than offend my design sensibilities? |
| 19:45.44 | Semlar | everything |
| 19:46.11 | Semlar | i think they just put as many things as they could fit into one addon |
| 19:46.41 | SuperPortia | Yeah, but my point is that's not tightly themed. |
| 19:46.46 | SuperPortia | But say Gatherer. |
| 19:46.54 | SuperPortia | Or TomTom |
| 19:47.07 | SuperPortia | DBM or Recount |
| 19:47.14 | SuperPortia | To me those are all tightly themed. |
| 19:47.19 | SuperPortia | But there's still a lot going on there. |
| 19:47.35 | Semlar | carbonite is built around its map |
| 19:47.56 | Semlar | and displaying different information on it |
| 19:48.44 | Semlar | i think it's mainly so you don't have to leave the game to look something up |
| 19:49.20 | Semlar | i'm not really sure because i never used it when it was fully functional and now i have no idea how it's supposed to work |
| 19:49.42 | SuperPortia | To me that's something to build a platform around that other people can use. |
| 19:50.03 | Semlar | well originally it cost money to use |
| 19:50.10 | Semlar | the whole thing was completely obfuscated |
| 19:50.24 | SuperPortia | Which might be happening, but some of the best design advice I've gotten is you're not complete until you decide what you aren't. |
| 19:51.50 | Semlar | i think it was intended to be just the one addon people needed to install that had pretty much everything |
| 19:51.58 | SuperPortia | So sucking (via obfuscation) was a feature. |
| 19:52.17 | SuperPortia | Yeah, but they're design aesthetic is awful. |
| 19:52.24 | SuperPortia | From what little I'm seeing. |
| 19:52.59 | Semlar | since they charged people for it they built a rather impressive obfuscation method so people couldn't just steal their code |
| 19:53.23 | Semlar | considering it's a scripting language that isn't compiled |
| 19:53.42 | SuperPortia | I imagine it did wonders for performance too. |
| 19:54.25 | Unkle | "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Antoine de Saint-Exupery |
| 19:54.41 | Semlar | that's why i play on the default interface |
| 19:55.52 | SuperPortia | Well I like the idea of add-ons and I love add-ons that play with WoW's design language. |
| 19:56.08 | SuperPortia | I'm not a big fan of the moving frames. I find they detract. |
| 19:56.23 | SuperPortia | I would like to see features added, but in a consistent way. |
| 19:56.42 | SuperPortia | I would like it if more add-ons used the WoW add-on configuration area |
| 19:56.55 | SuperPortia | I don't like having 50 add-ons with different ways to configure them. |
| 19:57.33 | nevcairiel | plenty addons integrate into the interface->addons menu already |
| 19:57.43 | Semlar | i solved that problem by never adding any options to my addons |
| 19:57.51 | SuperPortia | They do and to their credit. There are, however, a lot that don't. |
| 19:58.02 | SuperPortia | I try to avoid options where I can. |
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| 19:58.43 | rtharper | mikma: http://www.thelocal.se/44806/20121203/ |
| 19:58.47 | SuperPortia | That's why Mozilla never got off the ground until the Firefox team (nee Pheonix) took it over. |
| 19:59.00 | rtharper | Mikk: So I was told today that Örnsköldsvik was even more bible-belty than Jönköping |
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| 20:00.07 | SuperPortia | Mozilla decided that wherever there was a design disagreement they would just add an option. |
| 20:00.40 | SuperPortia | Until there were so many options that the options area became unmanageable and then they added the ability to search options. |
| 20:00.46 | SuperPortia | I guess they never saw the problem. |
| 20:02.21 | Arrowmaster | mozilla never had that |
| 20:02.44 | Arrowmaster | i was a stict mozilla suite user till firefox 3 |
| 20:10.01 | SuperPortia | Searching options? |
| 20:10.06 | SuperPortia | about:config? |
| 20:10.43 | mikma | rtharper: that's cause we do that daily, in helsinki :P |
| 20:10.47 | SuperPortia | http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config |
| 20:11.49 | Arrowmaster | you realize firefox has that too with tons of configs that dont have any other gui options? |
| 20:12.05 | mikma | rtharper: YO DAWG, i heard you like special coffee |
| 20:12.18 | SuperPortia | It does, but back in the day Mozilla exposed a lot of them. |
| 20:12.34 | Arrowmaster | i actually dont think i really ever used it till firefox |
| 20:12.57 | SuperPortia | I was a Mozilla user back when it was the only real alternative to IE. |
| 20:13.10 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 20:13.11 | SuperPortia | I remember switching to Pheonix, later Firebird, later Firefox. |
| 20:13.23 | Semlar | about:config is awesome.. if you know what you're looking for |
| 20:13.40 | Semlar | not so much if you don't |
| 20:13.56 | SuperPortia | Right. |
| 20:14.08 | Arrowmaster | i never switched till firefox 3 because i preferred the tab addon i used in mozilla |
| 20:14.18 | SuperPortia | Anyone know the name of the mount add-on that lets you weight how often they come out? |
| 20:14.44 | Arrowmaster | tabs finally because close to having the same features in 3, but i started using tabmix plus to fix it |
| 20:14.48 | SuperPortia | Pheonix was buggy at first, but quickly became my favorite browser. It really invented lean before Chrome ever did. |
| 20:15.41 | SuperPortia | By the time it was Firebird, I considered it the best browser, flaws and all. |
| 20:16.00 | SuperPortia | Interestingly enough I now use Chrome and IE. |
| 20:16.06 | SuperPortia | I haven't liked Firefox for awhile. |
| 20:16.34 | SuperPortia | I think the final straw was when they decided to abandon platform specific UI. |
| 20:16.41 | Arrowmaster | chrome addons still arent close to what firefox addons can do |
| 20:16.43 | SuperPortia | They went to that key thing. |
| 20:16.46 | Semlar | i use firefox almost entirely because chrome doesn't support the ability to actually block ads |
| 20:16.49 | SuperPortia | I don't need them though. |
| 20:16.55 | Arrowmaster | Semlar: same |
| 20:17.07 | Semlar | it has an adblock.. but they still have to load |
| 20:17.29 | SuperPortia | Well there are sites out there that won't show you content if you block the ads. |
| 20:17.36 | Arrowmaster | i have chrome on my portable drive and adblock loaded on it, fucking slow as hell to load pages if they ever load |
| 20:17.38 | SuperPortia | So I got tired of turning it on and off. |
| 20:17.52 | Semlar | you can whitelist a website |
| 20:17.55 | SuperPortia | Score advertisers 1 |
| 20:17.56 | Semlar | like hulu |
| 20:17.57 | Torhal|work | Fuck AdBlock. Blacklist via hosts file. |
| 20:17.59 | Arrowmaster | SuperPortia: never hit a site like that except hulu |
| 20:18.10 | SuperPortia | I hit a few. |
| 20:18.48 | SuperPortia | I'm a contractor who changes jobs every 6-12 months so my setup time has to be non-existent. I don't have time for lots of customizations. |
| 20:18.49 | Arrowmaster | i hit some that didnt work if you didnt load the javascript from something like google analytics |
| 20:19.12 | Arrowmaster | but adblock plus's easylist updates for those quickly |
| 20:19.19 | SuperPortia | Chrome sticks around because it syncs settings painlessly. |
| 20:19.35 | SuperPortia | I stopped using Firefox before I discovered that. |
| 20:19.58 | Semlar | i actually wrote a way around websites checking that you were blocking ads but couldn't be bothered to figure out how to make a plugin for the browser |
| 20:20.16 | Dark_Elf | throws Opera on yas lol |
| 20:22.35 | Semlar | what i do on my tablet is use chrome but have flash load on demand |
| 20:23.06 | Semlar | since i basically never need to see anything that's flash on there, and if i need to i can just click the plugin |
| 20:24.59 | SuperPortia | Interesting. |
| 20:25.00 | Semlar | it has like a .5ghz processor and it can't play video for shit |
| 20:25.12 | Semlar | i really can't afford to let it load ads |
| 20:25.37 | Arrowmaster | i just have AdAway on my tablet |
| 20:25.43 | SuperPortia | Dark_Elf when I was looking at IE alternatives Opera was doing their alternative design and it could do anything, but was annoying as hell. I wanted sleek and it was kitchen sink. |
| 20:26.57 | Dark_Elf | i just mentioned it for the hell of it |
| 20:27.45 | Dark_Elf | uses chrome, but the flash plugin crashes worse than firefox/ie |
| 20:28.18 | SuperPortia | The flash on Chrome has been pissing me off to no end. It's crashing hourly or more often. Almost continuously. |
| 20:30.14 | Semlar | chrome uses its own implementation of flash |
| 20:32.53 | Semlar | anyone know if it's possible to search a specific category and get a result like this http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=bacon&opensearch |
| 20:34.12 | SuperPortia | like mounts? :) |
| 20:34.28 | Semlar | i'm not sure there's a way to do it |
| 20:34.37 | Semlar | this is just pulled out of their search plugin |
| 20:34.55 | Semlar | for their suggestions when you type something in |
| 20:36.20 | Arrowmaster | PSA Cards Against Humanity is back in stock on Amazon |
| 20:36.38 | Arrowmaster | and they have a new holiday pack up on their website starting today |
| 20:39.47 | SuperPortia | Regarding checking if something is in the cache... I imagine NPCScan checks the cache or responds to some cache being populated event. |
| 20:40.30 | Semlar | npcscan attempts to set the tooltip to a unit using its npc id and when it succeeds it freaks out |
| 20:40.54 | SuperPortia | How does it know it's succeeded? |
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| 20:41.04 | Semlar | there will be text in the tooltip |
| 20:41.10 | Semlar | OnTooltipSetUnit |
| 20:42.34 | Semlar | you would use different methods depending on what you need to check is cached |
| 20:43.33 | SuperPortia | Basically try :SetCreature(creatureID) and if that fails :SetDisplayInfo(modelID) |
| 20:43.46 | Semlar | no point, just use the display info |
| 20:44.18 | Semlar | unless you don't have it |
| 20:44.21 | SuperPortia | Will DisplayInfo pull from the cache? |
| 20:44.24 | Semlar | no |
| 20:44.45 | SuperPortia | Won't the cache version be faster? |
| 20:44.48 | Semlar | no |
| 20:44.54 | SuperPortia | Really? |
| 20:44.55 | Semlar | it'll actually be slower |
| 20:44.56 | SuperPortia | Why not? |
| 20:45.20 | Semlar | display info should be all client side |
| 20:45.43 | Semlar | setcreature is client side too but has to check that it's cached and is therefor less reliable |
| 20:46.17 | SuperPortia | Doesn't display info pull it out of the MPQ? |
| 20:46.25 | Semlar | presumably |
| 20:46.31 | Semlar | i haven't actually checked |
| 20:46.42 | SuperPortia | I would have thought the MPQ decompress would be slower than pulling it out of the cache. |
| 20:47.07 | SuperPortia | Are MPQ files compressed? |
| 20:47.09 | Semlar | that's true |
| 20:47.34 | SuperPortia | I would have thought there was a reason they were calling SetCreature and not SetDisplayInfo |
| 20:47.44 | Semlar | but i would still just use displayinfo over setcreature simply because of the fact that you'll have to check if it exists before falling back on the alternative |
| 20:47.50 | SuperPortia | I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just trying to reason it out. |
| 20:48.13 | Semlar | the reason they use setcreature instead of displayinfo is so they don't have to store another set of ids just for the models |
| 20:48.17 | SuperPortia | What's the structure of the cache? Is that documented anywhere? |
| 20:48.18 | Semlar | probably |
| 20:48.42 | Semlar | um.. i think i tried to parse it a while back |
| 20:48.52 | Semlar | each cache is slightly different |
| 20:49.00 | Semlar | it's similar to the dbc format though |
| 20:49.30 | SuperPortia | Since I'm not familiar with either one, then I'm going to just nod my head here. |
| 20:49.44 | Semlar | i think they're wdb files |
| 20:49.59 | SuperPortia | I'll probably use SetCreature for your mounts (since I know they're there) and SetDisplayInfo for mounts you don't have. |
| 20:50.10 | SuperPortia | * nods head* |
| 20:51.02 | Semlar | http://www.wowwiki.com/WDB_files as old as this is it sort of explains the structure |
| 20:51.48 | Semlar | i actually wrote an extractor in python but it was far from fully functional |
| 20:52.57 | Semlar | there's some struct library that would probably make it easier |
| 20:54.14 | Semlar | i'll stick to what i know |
| 20:54.15 | SuperPortia | Probably. |
| 20:54.46 | Semlar | i pulled all of my map data out of the dbc files |
| 20:55.17 | Semlar | mostly internal map names and overlay information that isn't available in game |
| 20:56.17 | SuperPortia | Interesting. |
| 20:56.29 | SuperPortia | So MPQ entries can be compressed, but aren't necessarily. |
| 20:56.59 | Semlar | the mpq files are archives |
| 20:57.38 | Semlar | you can use an mpq extractor to open them up and get the files you want |
| 20:57.52 | clever | yeah, its basicaly just a giant zip file |
| 20:58.17 | Semlar | the dbc files are mostly under misc.mpq and the locale mpq file |
| 20:58.22 | foxlit | Hm, I want to steal ItemRefTooltip, but I don't like its padding. |
| 20:58.39 | foxlit | are there any other gametooltip templates that provide draggability and a close button? |
| 20:59.48 | Semlar | all i can think of are what you get from clicking hyperlinks |
| 21:00.28 | Arrowmaster | just got asked "how to connect rca xbox cable to hdmi port on tv?" |
| 21:01.06 | SuperPortia | You go to the store and buy an hdmi xbox cable. |
| 21:01.08 | SuperPortia | done. |
| 21:01.11 | SuperPortia | See this is easy. |
| 21:01.12 | Semlar | you could just copy parts out of itemref.xml |
| 21:01.58 | foxlit | I could, but I don't want to. |
| 21:02.09 | foxlit | Anyhow, I figured out that I can just mess with padding and restore it later. |
| 21:02.42 | Semlar | it does self:SetPadding(16) onload |
| 21:03.41 | foxlit | more importantly, there's GameTooltip:GetPadding() |
| 21:04.30 | Semlar | it also has some scripts attached to it specifically for dealing with items |
| 21:04.34 | SuperPortia | I notice there's a lot of methods out there that have set, but no get. |
| 21:04.48 | Semlar | that's blizzard for you |
| 21:06.04 | Semlar | i need to make a configuration menu but don't particularly want to |
| 21:07.34 | Semlar | batbot: how do i do this |
| 21:07.49 | Semlar | useless |
| 21:10.07 | SuperPortia | What are you trying to configure? |
| 21:10.23 | Semlar | it's apparently InterfaceOptions_AddCategory |
| 21:10.57 | SuperPortia | And then you give it a frame or something? |
| 21:11.13 | SuperPortia | Or it provides you with a frame and you add to it? |
| 21:11.26 | nevcairiel | you give it a frame you want displayed in the interface options, iirc |
| 21:11.48 | Semlar | see, this is how often i add options |
| 21:12.53 | Semlar | i have to look up how to do it |
| 21:12.59 | SuperPortia | That's a good thing |
| 21:13.13 | SuperPortia | I believe options should be a last resort. |
| 21:13.23 | SuperPortia | If you need a ton of options, redesign your interface. |
| 21:13.41 | Thunder_Child | That's a horible thought process |
| 21:13.54 | SuperPortia | Why's that? |
| 21:14.08 | Thunder_Child | Because no two people are the same |
| 21:14.29 | SuperPortia | I, generally, find that to be untrue. We're far more similar than different. |
| 21:14.30 | Semlar | yeah but if they don't agree with me they're clearly wrong |
| 21:14.35 | Thunder_Child | unless something has a very specific funciton, that's not good |
| 21:15.13 | SuperPortia | It's not about agreeing with me, but objective design. |
| 21:15.27 | SuperPortia | There is such a thing as objectively bad in addition to subjectively bad. |
| 21:15.42 | SuperPortia | I can create something that will be more appealing to the group as a whole. |
| 21:15.45 | Semlar | there's no accounting for taste |
| 21:16.02 | nevcairiel | most options in most addons are purely visual |
| 21:16.03 | Thunder_Child | Yes, apple uses the same thought process |
| 21:16.08 | SuperPortia | Why isn't there? I can't super fine-tune it, but manufacturers adjust for taste all the time. |
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| 21:16.29 | SuperPortia | Visual changes are sometimes nice to have and are subjective to a degree. |
| 21:16.48 | Thunder_Child | a change is not subjective |
| 21:16.51 | SuperPortia | But I can put certain colors together that will make most people annoyed with that combination of coors. |
| 21:17.39 | SuperPortia | Liking or disliking visuals have a certain degree of subjectiveness. |
| 21:17.56 | Thunder_Child | ynvm, i was being pedantic |
| 21:17.59 | Thunder_Child | nvm* |
| 21:18.18 | SuperPortia | Though all this is my position and a certain degree based on training and education and not my all-knowingness or anything. |
| 21:18.19 | Semlar | yeah but things like scale aren't exactly about aesthetics |
| 21:18.52 | Semlar | my options are mostly about usability |
| 21:19.06 | SuperPortia | Well there's an upper and lowerbound right? |
| 21:19.12 | Torhal|work | Text which is alternately red and green == much rage. |
| 21:19.22 | Semlar | are you the grinch |
| 21:19.30 | SuperPortia | Exactly. |
| 21:19.49 | Thunder_Child | The less options it has the easier it is as long as it is well designed. However some people like to dig down and change things to their liking |
| 21:20.03 | Torhal|work | forces Semlar to wear 80's-style 3D glasses for all eternity. |
| 21:20.11 | SuperPortia | That's fine. But most people don't ever and others don't after some small amount of time. |
| 21:20.25 | Thunder_Child | right, once you change them, you are set |
| 21:20.32 | Thunder_Child | but you have the ability to is nice |
| 21:20.33 | SuperPortia | Also it's often possible to integrate things into the UI so you can configure things without configuring them explicity. |
| 21:21.08 | SuperPortia | I don't know how many of you watch TED talks, but watch "The Paradox of Choice" (I think that's the title) |
| 21:21.13 | Thunder_Child | that's why i like good addons with plenty of options, starting with discord. |
| 21:21.17 | SuperPortia | Basically the more choices we give people the less happy they are. |
| 21:21.31 | Thunder_Child | though, I don't play anymore so wow addons are somewhat moot |
| 21:21.52 | Thunder_Child | Sure....at the top of the bell curve |
| 21:22.04 | Unkle | Discord suffered from trying to give you a goddamned widget for every single thing all on the same screen. |
| 21:22.06 | SuperPortia | What do you mean by that? |
| 21:22.22 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: I still mist DUF :( |
| 21:22.22 | SuperPortia | That was directed at Thunder_Child |
| 21:22.32 | Thunder_Child | SuperPortia: THe int bell curve |
| 21:22.56 | SuperPortia | I'm not familiar with the int bell curve. |
| 21:23.00 | Thunder_Child | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve |
| 21:23.04 | Semlar | well the top of the bell curve would presumably be average |
| 21:23.10 | SuperPortia | O |
| 21:23.28 | Unkle | Thunder_Child You can do just about all that I recall DUF doing with with oUF or Pitbull. And Pitbull suffers from too many widgets too. |
| 21:23.36 | SuperPortia | I'm familiar with bell curves, but not the int bell curve. |
| 21:23.48 | Thunder_Child | Unkle: which is why i liked Pitbull |
| 21:23.55 | Semlar | i think he means intelligence |
| 21:23.59 | SuperPortia | Ah |
| 21:24.03 | Thunder_Child | SuperPortia: int -> Intelligne....yes that |
| 21:24.06 | SuperPortia | Didn't have my RPG hat on. |
| 21:24.17 | Thunder_Child | and not spelled correctly either, go me |
| 21:24.22 | Unkle | You're the guy who buys a mixing board to copy a cassette aren't you? |
| 21:24.29 | SuperPortia | I don't necessarily think it's based on intelligence (partly because there's no one thing that defines intelligence) |
| 21:24.42 | Thunder_Child | Please, cassette's are so last century |
| 21:24.54 | Thunder_Child | but you are on the right track |
| 21:25.07 | Unkle | I see what you did there. |
| 21:25.20 | Thunder_Child | No, i hate puns |
| 21:25.21 | Semlar | :| |
| 21:25.30 | SuperPortia | Understanding complexity and desiring complexity, I would say are different things. |
| 21:26.15 | Thunder_Child | I was making a general reference to 'average' Not everyone is more happy with less choices |
| 21:26.26 | SuperPortia | E.g. I've been impressed at times at how simple some of WoW's interface elements are. And I think about, say, Eve Online's interface elements, and cringe. |
| 21:26.30 | Semlar | i hate having too many options shoved in your face |
| 21:26.39 | Semlar | but i like the ability to change something if i need to |
| 21:26.40 | Thunder_Child | usually the people willing to put in the effort to become rich and powerful are such people |
| 21:26.55 | SuperPortia | I wouldn't imagine Steve Jobs liked complexity. |
| 21:27.03 | Unkle | One of the things I discovered as I grew older was that I wanted things that were capable of MORE but could do it with LESS. I like UIs that give me only what I need, and no more. It's perfectly fine for UI design to iterate down to the barest essentials. |
| 21:27.07 | SuperPortia | I wouldn't imagine a lot of top designers like visual complexity. |
| 21:27.12 | Thunder_Child | He was making it for the 'average' person, not forhimself |
| 21:27.18 | Thunder_Child | for himself* |
| 21:27.24 | SuperPortia | I think it's a problem to equate intelligence with wanting complexity. |
| 21:28.05 | Thunder_Child | again, i was not using it for the intelligence but for the 'average' |
| 21:28.10 | SuperPortia | Smart people never want the simpler interface? |
| 21:28.25 | SuperPortia | I think he wanted it for himself too. |
| 21:28.43 | SuperPortia | But then again, I can't say. |
| 21:28.58 | SuperPortia | But I know way too many really, really smart people who like simple interfaces. |
| 21:29.28 | Thunder_Child | simple doesnt mean lack of options. You can make a minimalist interface with tons of options |
| 21:30.07 | Unkle | What I want - and I only consider myself moderately clever - is a UI that gives me just what I need to do what I'm doing now, and doesn't force me to learn a new gimmick or paradigm for everything. |
| 21:30.22 | SuperPortia | Well I guess we should define what we mean by options. I mean things that the user explicitly changes on the options screen. |
| 21:30.34 | Unkle | WoW has too many windows and frames to display everything and too many menus and checkboxes. |
| 21:31.08 | SuperPortia | Unkle: Where do you think they should pair down |
| 21:31.59 | Unkle | And if you were at the last BlizzCon UI pannel, I flat out told the team that. Too many features feel "bolted on" and don't make sense together. Like... why the fuck shoud I open the raid portion of the social menu to promote someone to assistant? |
| 21:32.27 | Unkle | Why do I change loot for my group/raid from my portait? |
| 21:32.36 | Unkle | Bolted on. |
| 21:33.09 | SuperPortia | I can see that. |
| 21:33.15 | Unkle | Like the internal combustion engine; each new solution has generated a new problem that you solve by adding another widget. |
| 21:33.21 | SuperPortia | I liked the pet/mount journal for the most part. |
| 21:34.23 | Thunder_Child | imo, First, it should work, straight out of the box, no finagiling needed. Second you have superset options, Simple changes like size, anchor (right/left), etc. last you have subset options, the nitty gritty. It's fine if most people would stop at the superset. But if some people that want to do more can, so much the better. |
| 21:34.49 | SuperPortia | They have kind of overloaded the portrait right-click menu. |
| 21:35.17 | SuperPortia | But you don't have to give the level of nitty gritty power through the UI. Add-ons are great for that. |
| 21:35.29 | nevcairiel | and they dont |
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| 21:37.16 | SuperPortia | But I would argue against some of the superset options as well. Resizing windows isn't necessarily something that people really need to be able to do (though I admit many will disagree with me). But if you look, I imagine you'll see a lot of people resizing the windows in the same way indicating that the original size was miscalculated from a design perspective. |
| 21:37.26 | Neffi | Anyone play on Korgath-US Horde? |
| 21:37.30 | Unkle | Or, Blizzard could release a "UI Kit" that exposed all the CVars and/or frame options and include it on the launcher. It would let you do things like move/scale frames tweak settings that currently don't have UI options screen widgets. And still allow addons. :) |
| 21:38.17 | Unkle | Then they could streamline the current baseline UI to eliminate some cruft. |
| 21:38.23 | SuperPortia | If Advanced Skill Trade Window worked as advertised, it would be a much more appropriate size and something I'll likely redo at some point. However, once I was using the bigger size I was good. The resizing offered by Skillet was almost always annoying. |
| 21:38.31 | Unkle | But this is a pretty major undertaking. |
| 21:38.33 | Semlar | frame scale / font size are probably the biggest deals because people play at different ui scales and have different needs |
| 21:38.46 | Vlad| | "(18:18:25) chiel: does anyone else here use weakauras btw?" > I made my own lib and code to display icons on screen of stuff I wanna be notified about :P but I almost use weakauras |
| 21:38.48 | SuperPortia | That's something they need to do better. |
| 21:39.23 | Vlad| | "(19:47:24) SuperPortia: You just start throwing spellIDs at it until you get ones that are mounts?" > you could have so that each new patch the SV database is updated by scanning spell IDs from last highest range to some numbers a head and see if new mounts are added in the game ;) |
| 21:39.45 | Vlad| | i.e. have a dynamic database that updates itself, totally independent of external sources |
| 21:40.00 | SuperPortia | I think Semlar and I got that one solved. Thanks Vlad. |
| 21:40.19 | Vlad| | let's say you know last mount id is 62019 then next patch you check with your SV and see "ah wait look, new patch, let's scan 62019 to 72019 or something, and see if there are new spells" |
| 21:40.30 | Vlad| | this way you don't need to have a predefined database ;) |
| 21:40.43 | Semlar | doesn't matter, he needs the creature ids and there's no way to tie them to the mounts |
| 21:40.51 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 21:40.56 | Vlad| | well |
| 21:40.57 | Vlad| | wait a sec |
| 21:41.07 | nevcairiel | nonsense, with duct tape you can tie anything together |
| 21:41.23 | nevcairiel | even creatures to mounts! |
| 21:41.26 | Unkle | @Ghostcrawler Hunters: Tweeted before that we nerfed ISS for SV when we buffed SS. The nerf was accidentally too large and the fix to the fix is now live. |
| 21:42.00 | Semlar | they nerfed the international space station? |
| 21:42.17 | foxlit | improved scourge strike |
| 21:42.19 | foxlit | keep with the times! |
| 21:42.36 | nevcairiel | hunters have scourge strike now? sounds like a DK spell |
| 21:42.52 | Semlar | what are hunters even doing in space |
| 21:43.21 | nevcairiel | improved serpent sting? i guess that works |
| 21:43.27 | SuperPortia | Apparently there's good hunting up there. |
| 21:43.32 | SuperPortia | Maybe Nerfs |
| 21:44.09 | Vlad| | isn't outland in space? |
| 21:44.10 | SuperPortia | Those wild nerfs are always a problem for nerfherders |
| 21:44.27 | SuperPortia | In the same sense that Azeroth was |
| 21:45.43 | SuperPortia | Semlar: Frame scale/UI scale is a problem that exists pretty universally in computing dealing with different degrees of eye sight. |
| 21:45.50 | Semlar | the color picker appears to be showing the exact opposite of the correct value for opacity |
| 21:45.55 | Neffi | Anyone know of an addon for running DPS numbers of different stats in-game (like class spreadsheets)? |
| 21:46.30 | SuperPortia | 100% isn't opaque? |
| 21:46.34 | Vlad| | Neffi: confused |
| 21:46.51 | Semlar | giving it 1 for alpha puts the bar at the - end, 0 is at + |
| 21:47.11 | Semlar | so i'm just feeding it 1-a |
| 21:47.14 | Neffi | Vlad|: Think DrDamage, but something that gives you the ability to input different stats and see their respective DPS weights and similar gains |
| 21:47.32 | Vlad| | I have no expertise on that field, sorry :( |
| 21:47.33 | Neffi | So for instance you can easily see whether 1 point of PvP Power or 1 point of mastery is worth more |
| 21:47.39 | SuperPortia | 1 opacity is 0 transparency |
| 21:47.46 | Neffi | DrDamage was nice but it never got updated for MoP |
| 21:48.11 | Semlar | the bar is + at the top, - at the bottom, presumably 1 alpha should be at the top |
| 21:48.52 | Vlad| | anyone remember ogri'lazy addon? I remade it for myself for when farming the minigame :D |
| 21:49.00 | Vlad| | was kind of fun hehe |
| 21:49.27 | Vlad| | oh by the way, I say we as community vote for a GetSpellDetails API that returns a long list of every kind of data we might need related to any given spell :D |
| 21:49.30 | Vlad| | who votes aye? ;D |
| 21:49.48 | SuperPortia | Unless they're storing transparency and not opacity |
| 21:49.49 | Vlad| | it would have to be detailed like perhaps how CLEU is |
| 21:50.01 | SuperPortia | Which would be dumb in some contexts. |
| 21:50.07 | Unkle | Dear Dell - was it really necessary to hold the thin foam sheet protecting the front of this monitor in place with fiberglass fiber reinforced tape? |
| 21:50.10 | Mr_Rabies | aww yisss |
| 21:50.20 | Semlar | the spell api should return this http://i.imgur.com/5bAcq.jpg |
| 21:50.26 | Mr_Rabies | lol Unkle |
| 21:50.26 | Mr_Rabies | i love that tape |
| 21:50.49 | Unkle | It has its uses. But this? Way overkill. |
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| 21:51.16 | Neffi | Vlad|: It would just be nice if we had an object-based approach to this. |
| 21:51.26 | Neffi | Eg a series of global tables for relevant data |
| 21:51.39 | SuperPortia | Semlar: Either you just have the screenshots around or you take them very, very quickly. |
| 21:51.49 | Vlad| | yeah I agree Neffi |
| 21:51.50 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/sunsong.jpg |
| 21:51.50 | Neffi | spells[spid] = { damage=..., energy=..., energytype=..., etc } |
| 21:51.50 | Semlar | my spell data addon used 40mb of memory |
| 21:51.56 | Vlad| | so we can look up what we need ;) |
| 21:51.59 | foxlit | Hey Neffi |
| 21:52.05 | Neffi | hey foxlit |
| 21:52.13 | foxlit | Think of a table structure that expresses the full complexity of their spell logic. |
| 21:52.27 | Neffi | not too difficult |
| 21:52.34 | foxlit | "But deals bonus damage if the target is affected by X, or you have Y stacks of Z, or if it's Thursday, or if..." |
| 21:52.54 | Neffi | indexed by strings for basic info like energy cost and cooldown |
| 21:52.58 | Neffi | eg spell.cooldown = 1.5 |
| 21:53.04 | Neffi | indexed by numbers for effects |
| 21:53.08 | Unkle | Like the rules to Dragon Poker in "Little Myth Marker" |
| 21:53.28 | Neffi | eg spell[1] = {'direct',damageamount} spell[2] = {'bleed',damageamount,period} |
| 21:53.38 | Neffi | Break everything down into categorical effects |
| 21:53.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/hPmaI.jpg |
| 21:54.01 | Neffi | Things like this are already done internally, so it's not like the data isn't already formatted in a way that's manageable in code |
| 21:54.08 | SuperPortia | Originally I figured it was actually little mini scripts, but I guess it's data-based. |
| 21:54.33 | Neffi | I'd envision my own game's Lua frontend as being hugely data-driven |
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| 21:55.16 | Neffi | no need for 30000 APIs to query things that basically just sit in C-side data structures anyway. Expose relevant info in global tables, and scripts need only check updated values when events fire |
| 21:55.39 | Neffi | I'd even expose unit info like health and state in tables, and just throw events when they change |
| 21:55.52 | Semlar | i wish everything in the dbc files were available to the api |
| 21:56.34 | Neffi | Maybe in 4-8 years you'll hear about my MMORPG and find the addon environment to be quite pleasant |
| 21:56.50 | Unkle | If you break everything down into categorical/canonical effects, you have to invent new categories instead of one-off spells/effects. Not always a bad idea, but obviously different from the approach Blizzard took. |
| 21:56.52 | SuperPortia | Having maintained big systems, I generally find you want to keep things local as you start getting emergent behavior otherwise from the moving parts. |
| 21:56.54 | Semlar | that being said, it could be exported to lua tables but that's not a great way to get at that information |
| 21:57.07 | SuperPortia | Keeping the stuff local means you can change implementation details without breaking everything. |
| 21:57.09 | Neffi | Different yes, but you can categorize things generally |
| 21:57.18 | Neffi | special effects can be marked as "special" if you really need to |
| 21:57.41 | Neffi | Obviously you need to put a lot of thought into how it's organized, but once you have the infrastructure down, things become so much more approachable |
| 21:57.49 | Neffi | and the Lua-side API becomes so much easier to manage |
| 21:57.55 | Neffi | less work for people on both sides |
| 21:58.04 | SuperPortia | There's no one way to categorize everything so that you can continue to add things without eventually having to recategorize. That or you introduce Misc. |
| 21:58.27 | foxlit | less work for addon authors, maybe, but I don't see why anyone would actually bother providing you with information the default UI does not need. |
| 21:58.28 | SuperPortia | Here, special is misc. |
| 21:58.34 | Neffi | If that were the case people wouldn't use things like SQL |
| 21:58.50 | SuperPortia | I don't use SQL for everything. |
| 21:58.53 | Semlar | actually they started providing information through the api that isn't in the interface at all |
| 21:59.06 | SuperPortia | And SQL is modifiable without losing data in some cases. |
| 21:59.11 | Semlar | like, way more information than you've ever been able to get before 5.0 |
| 21:59.25 | SuperPortia | Information specifically so add-on authors could use it. |
| 21:59.28 | Neffi | Philosophy that state is provided under the assumption that the UI may or may not use it. Easier to change the UI. |
| 22:00.33 | Semlar | my map addon uses a ton of api functions that aren't used for anything in the interface |
| 22:00.34 | Neffi | Whether it's a burden or a help really depends on how good you are at abstracting things |
| 22:00.43 | SuperPortia | I think it's more likely there for add-on authors. |
| 22:00.58 | foxlit | could you throw out some examples? |
| 22:01.17 | Semlar | all of the functions to get the size and offsets of the maps |
| 22:01.19 | Neffi | Well I really can't because I'm thinking in terms of philosophy |
| 22:01.32 | Neffi | I haven't gone into detail about how exactly my addon environment would be set up |
| 22:01.48 | SuperPortia | Some of them were likely for ideas that didn't pan out, but many are likely there for people like us. |
| 22:01.55 | foxlit | of addon functions that you use in your map addon. |
| 22:02.06 | Neffi | But it would follow an unrestricted approach. Data is available. Events are available. Objects to draw with, listen to events, have timers, etc are available. |
| 22:02.13 | Neffi | oh |
| 22:02.38 | Vlad| | someone at work today started to give birth |
| 22:02.38 | SuperPortia | I've tried to model a lot of systems. From RPGs and much more complex. Each time I try to break it down into just data there's no way to seal the abstraction... it's always leaky. Something doesn't quite work out. |
| 22:02.44 | Vlad| | a month before the due date |
| 22:02.55 | Semlar | like GetAreaMaps, GetAreaMapInfo |
| 22:03.32 | Semlar | GetWorldLocFromMapPos |
| 22:03.47 | Vlad| | why not make C_Spells and C_Map ? :P |
| 22:03.49 | Vlad| | just an idea |
| 22:04.02 | Neffi | I'll see how it works out for me Porsche |
| 22:04.15 | SuperPortia | I wish you luck. |
| 22:04.17 | Neffi | I'm going to be getting to work making an RPG pretty seriously after this semester |
| 22:04.19 | Neffi | thank you |
| 22:04.21 | SuperPortia | Let me know how it works out for you. |
| 22:04.22 | Vlad| | did you call me porche? |
| 22:04.30 | Neffi | I called him Porsche |
| 22:04.30 | Neffi | lol |
| 22:04.49 | SuperPortia | I don't spell it like the car. |
| 22:04.56 | SuperPortia | But I got your meaning. |
| 22:04.58 | Vlad| | :P |
| 22:05.07 | Vlad| | SuperPortia: decided on a nickname yet? ;D |
| 22:05.19 | Semlar | GetCurrentMapZone is used in the framexml but only the first value it returns |
| 22:05.30 | SuperPortia | It's either: FurryZenJustice, SuperSheep, oadrian, or some variant of Portia. |
| 22:05.32 | Neffi | But really it stems from part of the WoW environment I hate: taint and dealing with FrameXML. I would love to create an environment where the default UI was under the same restriction as addons, forcing me to think cleverly about how the abstraction functions so addons are totally unrestricted |
| 22:05.36 | Vlad| | :D |
| 22:05.40 | Neffi | While still maintaining security of course |
| 22:06.09 | SuperPortia | Well and maintaining lack of cheating. |
| 22:06.18 | SuperPortia | You can design things with add-ons or plugins in mind. |
| 22:06.38 | Neffi | The default UI would be designed as addons from the start, simply integrated |
| 22:06.55 | SuperPortia | Vlad, I could also go by FZJ (a bit shorter than FurryZenJustice) |
| 22:06.58 | Semlar | GetSpellBaseCooldown is another function they added that gets information out of the dbc files but isn't used |
| 22:07.15 | Neffi | It's just a matter of designing systems similar to the secure templates and other secure systems, but tuck all of the secure shit away in C-side, so the default UI is forced to use it to. Don't expose anything potentially unsafe to any Lua code. |
| 22:07.20 | SuperPortia | Most of the WoW UI is done in lua it seems. |
| 22:07.27 | Vlad| | I have a question, ehm, so I wanna make my own DNS server, like this, all requests are directed to the normal DNS server EXCEPT one specific domain, let's say that domain is coming as request from a specific IP so I wanna allow/deny access depending on some variables, i.e. I need to code this as a program :) |
| 22:07.39 | Vlad| | would Python be best? or perhaps C++? for this task... |
| 22:07.50 | SuperPortia | Depends on load. |
| 22:07.54 | SuperPortia | And environment. |
| 22:07.59 | Semlar | and what language you know |
| 22:08.01 | Neffi | If it's not critical, Python would be easier IMO |
| 22:08.52 | Neffi | But you should be able to do that with most *nix OSes by default |
| 22:08.52 | Vlad| | small environment use |
| 22:09.01 | Semlar | attempt to concatenate global 'UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_LEVEL' |
| 22:09.07 | Semlar | are you kidding me what am i tainting now |
| 22:09.16 | Vlad| | yeah well I want it to work regardless of platform so I figured setting it as custom DNS would make this easiest :D |
| 22:09.29 | Neffi | Makes sense |
| 22:09.30 | SuperPortia | Semlar: The children... Won't you think of the children? |
| 22:09.32 | Semlar | this has to be from the addon options panel i've literally not added anything else |
| 22:09.42 | Neffi | I'd probably just make a router with OpenBSD on it and do it right there |
| 22:09.55 | durcyn | Semlar: last i checked that was just a bug with the blizzard map code |
| 22:10.05 | Semlar | i'm not actually touching the map though |
| 22:10.11 | SuperPortia | It's not that you don't need people to see the domain. It's that you don't want people to access the computer. |
| 22:10.18 | Neffi | Semlar: /console taintlog 0 |
| 22:10.22 | durcyn | I didn't say you were touching the map code. |
| 22:10.23 | Semlar | that's not a solution! |
| 22:10.25 | Neffi | Semlar: That error is in the taintlog itself |
| 22:10.28 | Neffi | It's random |
| 22:10.33 | Semlar | i know but it still means i'm tainting something |
| 22:10.33 | Neffi | Happening since 5.0 |
| 22:10.41 | Neffi | Not necessarily |
| 22:11.06 | Neffi | Because I traced the source of the supposed taint when I saw it, and literally no piece of code in existence was touching anywhere close to it |
| 22:11.06 | Semlar | as far as i know the taintlog only creates the error if you've managed to taint a blizzard frame or function |
| 22:11.22 | Neffi | It could be an error in the system that checks the taint in the first place |
| 22:11.38 | durcyn | you're also making the (incorrect) assumption that the taintlog is itself functioning correctly in 5.0. |
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| 22:11.54 | Neffi | Which I've found not to be the case |
| 22:12.00 | Semlar | i've only seen it happen after doing something like replacing one of the world map's methods |
| 22:12.10 | Semlar | and.. whatever i just did |
| 22:12.41 | SuperPortia | It seems like dealing with taint is a major issue in add-on development. |
| 22:13.02 | Neffi | somewhat |
| 22:13.18 | durcyn | only if you end up touching secure code, which is to say yes |
| 22:13.20 | Neffi | You can just totally refuse to use any part of the existing FrameXML |
| 22:13.52 | Neffi | Well durcyn, creating a UIDropDownMenu technically touches secure code, even though intuitively it shouldn't |
| 22:14.06 | Neffi | there are definitely quirks where something "shouldn't" taint and does. it is easy to taint accidentally. |
| 22:14.14 | Semlar | okay it just taints the fucking thing as soon as i add my options panel |
| 22:14.19 | Semlar | this is retarded |
| 22:14.50 | Neffi | I'm quite sure the taintlog is broken, so if you're double and triple checking your code and not finding taint, maybe there is none |
| 22:14.58 | Semlar | if i open my addon options panel and then open the map it throws the error |
| 22:15.15 | Semlar | and there's.. basically nothing in my options panel right now |
| 22:15.22 | SuperPortia | What if you add a blank options panel? |
| 22:15.28 | Semlar | it's practically blank |
| 22:15.39 | Semlar | it has one texture on it |
| 22:15.40 | SuperPortia | Practially and absolutely aren't the same. |
| 22:15.55 | Neffi | heirlooms are fucking crazy |
| 22:16.06 | SuperPortia | Is the name of the frame linked to your add-on? |
| 22:16.07 | Semlar | still taints it |
| 22:16.10 | foxlit | it's a known problem. AddOptionsPanel has a crazy UI stack. |
| 22:16.15 | Semlar | doesn't have a name |
| 22:16.30 | foxlit | in the sense that there are a few forum threads about it. |
| 22:16.44 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/wx33kxAW this is the entire code |
| 22:17.23 | Neffi | If that's it, then just turn the taintlog off and be happy |
| 22:17.38 | foxlit | heh, AddCategory. |
| 22:17.58 | Neffi | I spent an entire afternoon picking apart Mapster after receiving the same error, before somebody told me the taintlog was broken. |
| 22:18.07 | Semlar | like, i removed my entire script and replaced it with that, opened up my addon in the addon options list |
| 22:18.18 | Semlar | and now i can open the map and go to EK and the taintlog throws an error |
| 22:18.23 | Semlar | that's the only addon i'm running |
| 22:18.26 | Semlar | those.. 4 lines |
| 22:19.22 | Semlar | i should just start including a line to disable the taintlog when my addon loads |
| 22:20.43 | Semlar | just using interfaceoptions_addcategory appears to cause taint |
| 22:21.00 | durcyn | yeah, don't do that. |
| 22:21.30 | SuperPortia | http://tain.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44215 |
| 22:22.28 | Semlar | :| |
| 22:23.00 | SuperPortia | It's 5.x specific |
| 22:23.06 | SuperPortia | I suppose they'll fix it eventually. |
| 22:23.09 | Semlar | ha |
| 22:23.24 | Semlar | i don't think this is new in 5.0 |
| 22:23.37 | SuperPortia | "This specific taint is 5.x exclusive (unrelated to the ace taint posted above, which probably still happens). The only way to avoid it is to create your own config pane instead of adding one to the Interface Options. In other words, Blizz need to fix it." |
| 22:23.40 | Semlar | just the fact that the taintlog throws an error now |
| 22:23.48 | SuperPortia | ah |
| 22:23.51 | Semlar | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/137-ace3-taints-interface-options-in-combat/ |
| 22:25.08 | SuperPortia | Another reason not to have options. Whee! |
| 22:25.36 | Semlar | the taintlog throwing an error is because it's dumb and broken but it also only does it when you've managed to taint something |
| 22:25.56 | Mr_Rabies | options are awesome, though :< |
| 22:26.02 | Semlar | OPTIONS ARE A CRUTCH |
| 22:26.09 | Mr_Rabies | generally i don't use addons without options |
| 22:26.22 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really hesistant to use ones without a UI for options |
| 22:26.28 | Semlar | YOU'LL USE THE DEFAULT SETTINGS AND YOU'LL LIKE IT |
| 22:26.54 | foxlit | s/OPTIONS/ADDONS/ s/SETTINGS/UI/ |
| 22:27.36 | Mr_Rabies | defaults are for chumps and wieners |
| 22:28.06 | Semlar | BACK IN MY DAY WE HAD TO MANUALLY EDIT THE HARDCODED VALUES IN THE LUA FILES |
| 22:28.35 | Mr_Rabies | back in my day i used cosmos and customized the hell out of it in the UI :p |
| 22:29.08 | wereHamster | back in my day we had to binary edit executable files and change assembler instructions in hex code |
| 22:29.19 | SuperPortia | Back in my day... what the hell? Isn't it still my day? I'm not giving up my day yet. |
| 22:29.32 | SuperPortia | Ok, I totally did that too. |
| 22:29.49 | SuperPortia | I remember editing Star Control 2 data to change how the ships worked. |
| 22:30.05 | SuperPortia | Also RPGs to max character stats to get past certain hard parts. |
| 22:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | back in my day we just got drunk and hit each other with maces |
| 22:30.22 | SuperPortia | I figure it took as much skill to edit save files as to grind so it was ok. |
| 22:30.45 | Semlar | we didn't have rpgs we had swords |
| 22:30.56 | Semlar | and we only got one life |
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| 22:32.19 | SuperPortia | Apparently you all spend a lot of time at renaissence fairs. |
| 22:32.43 | Semlar | actually i grew up in the 1700s |
| 22:33.19 | Semlar | why do you think i know so much about lua |
| 22:34.25 | foxlit | "%d crops are ready to harvest on your farm" |
| 22:34.40 | foxlit | that is a horrible, horrible message. Rephrase it for me? :) |
| 22:35.29 | Semlar | you have %d crops ready for harvest or something |
| 22:35.39 | Mr_Rabies | HEY, IDIOT, YOUR CROPS ARE READY, GET YOUR BUTT TO VALLEY OF THE FOUR WINDS |
| 22:36.23 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: just the thing people would love to log in to see! |
| 22:36.24 | Semlar | yeah throw in a lot of derogatory comments |
| 22:36.43 | Semlar | something about their mom |
| 22:36.54 | foxlit | ALSO WHY IS YOUR GEAR NOT LEGENDARY. SCRUB! |
| 22:37.41 | foxlit | annoyingly there's also a variation for telling you that you have %d crops yourself, and %d crops on alts. |
| 22:38.43 | foxlit | getting that to fit on a single chat line is tricky :( |
| 22:38.51 | Semlar | %d CROPS AVAILABLE |
| 22:39.15 | Semlar | %d/%d CROPS DEFEATED |
| 22:40.10 | Mr_Rabies | IT'S FARMIN' TIME |
| 22:40.15 | Semlar | IT'S WHAT PLANTS CRAVE |
| 22:41.35 | foxlit | Right, so probably not those. |
| 22:42.28 | Semlar | do you want our help or not |
| 22:43.30 | Semlar | these are all perfectly reasonable suggestions |
| 22:44.20 | SuperPortia | %d CROPS NEED CULLING |
| 22:44.34 | Vlad| | %.2f cros ready! |
| 22:44.38 | SuperPortia | %d CROPS TO WHACK |
| 22:45.13 | SuperPortia | Complete different though from %d TO WHACK WITH CROPS |
| 22:45.23 | Adys | %d SOILS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED |
| 22:45.38 | SuperPortia | Alright I'm off. |
| 22:45.45 | Thunder_Child | ^ nerd farming |
| 22:46.02 | Adys | Thunder_Child: http://i.imgur.com/1yK0g.jpg |
| 22:46.25 | Vlad| | has anyone tried to solo ICC10 yet? |
| 22:46.27 | Thunder_Child | World of Warcraft: Harvest Moon |
| 22:46.33 | Thunder_Child | i know people would play it |
| 22:46.36 | Adys | Vlad|: not doable |
| 22:46.47 | Adys | skybreaker is somewhat impossible to solo, first of all |
| 22:46.49 | Semlar | not with that attitude |
| 22:46.50 | Adys | and then you have valathria |
| 22:46.59 | Vlad| | you can solo airship, they nerfed it ;) |
| 22:47.07 | Adys | no they havent |
| 22:47.10 | Adys | did it yesterday with a guildie |
| 22:47.12 | Vlad| | they have :P |
| 22:47.15 | Adys | when? |
| 22:47.20 | Vlad| | it doesn't reset when there is no one on the deck |
| 22:47.32 | Vlad| | so you can jump over without it resetting the encounter :3 |
| 22:47.40 | Adys | still quite a challenge solo |
| 22:47.43 | Adys | but valathria is impossible |
| 22:47.46 | Adys | you need a healer |
| 22:47.50 | Vlad| | the side effect is that at the end when you win, if you forget to jump back you are taken almost out of map |
| 22:48.04 | Vlad| | also saurfang is pretty hard solo, so they still gotta nerf some bosses to make it properly soloable :3 |
| 22:48.23 | Vlad| | got help from a friend (dps) :D |
| 22:48.41 | Vlad| | farmed the shirt drop from precious :P |
| 22:50.14 | Semlar | http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/337248/using-else-if.html i can't tell if this first response is trolling or not |
| 22:50.59 | Semlar | he really doesn't like elseif statements |
| 22:51.12 | Vlad| | fine |
| 22:51.18 | Vlad| | then just have a bunch of if() statements |
| 22:51.45 | Vlad| | if(statement){ earlier = 1;} if(!earlier && statement) {} ... |
| 22:51.46 | Vlad| | :P |
| 22:52.29 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/Hg7hDyWG |
| 22:53.40 | Semlar | this is the logic from my SetTexCoord implementation |
| 22:54.07 | Vlad| | working on some framework functions for the map addon? |
| 22:54.29 | Semlar | it's just so http://i.imgur.com/FGjnQ.jpg stays in the map |
| 22:54.35 | Semlar | without a scrollframe |
| 22:54.50 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 22:55.22 | Semlar | and i could use the same thing to do this http://i.imgur.com/1VpCp.jpg without a scrollframe too |
| 22:56.39 | Vlad| | is it difficult to make a custom layer that is basically the current world map only more clean and simple? |
| 22:56.56 | Vlad| | practically you can disable blizzards frame and have your own frame that does the same task, showing the map :P |
| 22:57.11 | Semlar | i've already recreated the world map several times |
| 22:57.27 | Semlar | the last time i basically made a widget for it |
| 22:57.28 | Vlad| | so you don't have to deal with fixing reanchoring and leveling stuff |
| 22:58.30 | Semlar | that's what i showed you with all the zooming capabilities and stuff http://i.imgur.com/TOSi6.jpg |
| 22:58.41 | Semlar | even though that wasn't a very good implementation |
| 22:59.00 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 22:59.02 | Vlad| | I know ^^ |
| 22:59.20 | Vlad| | each reiteration you do of your own code, you make it slightly so better ;) |
| 22:59.58 | Vlad| | and I can see that too, you are learning a lot when fooling around with the map |
| 22:59.58 | Semlar | ideally i would just make a map widget with everything i need in it that i can use to create whatever maps i need and put them together |
| 23:00.25 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 23:00.32 | Mr_Rabies | i suddenly have a bunch of flight points in kun-lai on an alt |
| 23:00.38 | Mr_Rabies | and dread wastes |
| 23:00.39 | Mr_Rabies | wtf |
| 23:00.59 | Vlad| | :) |
| 23:01.03 | Vlad| | just be thankful |
| 23:01.08 | Semlar | basically i need one map that only ever displays the continent/system map, one map for the current zone and up to 3 maps to display what you've hovered over |
| 23:01.15 | Mr_Rabies | i just got the connecting flights to halfhill |
| 23:02.45 | Vlad| | sea monsters just can't win |
| 23:03.08 | Vlad| | damn you Semlar, damn you... |
| 23:03.14 | Vlad| | that song will be stuck in my head for ages |
| 23:03.28 | Semlar | good |
| 23:03.32 | Semlar | 23 skidoo! |
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| 23:04.51 | Cairenn | mikma: lol |
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| 23:16.57 | Vlad| | tired :( |
| 23:22.46 | Vlad| | baby ape |
| 23:22.49 | Vlad| | will kill my health |
| 23:24.29 | Mr_Rabies | rustled to death? |
| 23:25.18 | Vlad| | ~dict rustled |
| 23:25.24 | Adys | anyone decent with sqlite? |
| 23:25.42 | Vlad| | Adys: soot |
| 23:25.44 | Vlad| | shoot* |
| 23:25.53 | Adys | Vlad|: indexed columns are not unique |
| 23:25.56 | Adys | wtf does that mean |
| 23:26.01 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/2558011 |
| 23:26.09 | Vlad| | you need to set a unique/primry key flag? |
| 23:26.46 | Vlad| | does backend_ad_slug already exist before you do CREATE? |
| 23:28.35 | Vlad| | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.sqlite.general/72917 |
| 23:28.39 | Adys | it doesnt seem to |
| 23:28.46 | Adys | spatialite> drop index backend_ad_slug; |
| 23:28.46 | Adys | Error: no such index: backend_ad_slug |
| 23:29.17 | Vlad| | refresh my memory, could you have more than one unique index? |
| 23:29.37 | Adys | what am i refreshing your memory for |
| 23:29.40 | Adys | im the one asking for help |
| 23:29.55 | Vlad| | :D |
| 23:32.16 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 23:32.28 | Vlad| | take a look |
| 23:32.29 | Vlad| | http://flylib.com/books/en/4.112.1.31/1/ |
| 23:32.38 | Vlad| | "The ON CONFLICT clause at the index level..." |
| 23:37.49 | Vlad| | I am ashamed of how rusty my sqlite knowledge was :( |
| 23:38.07 | Adys | yeah no i still have no idea what its saying |
| 23:38.23 | Vlad| | if you know the DB |
| 23:38.32 | Vlad| | would dropping the unique indexes first perhaps help? |
| 23:38.56 | Adys | spatialite> pragma index_list("backend_ad"); |
| 23:38.56 | Adys | spatialite> |
| 23:39.01 | Adys | theres no index in backend_ad |
| 23:39.03 | Adys | that i see |
| 23:39.06 | Vlad| | : |
| 23:39.07 | Vlad| | :/ |
| 23:39.11 | Vlad| | any entries or empty table? |
| 23:39.49 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/2558111 |
| 23:39.52 | Adys | heres the full output |
| 23:41.05 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 23:41.15 | Vlad| | shooting in the dark, since you got the commands in front of you |
| 23:41.40 | Vlad| | could it have something to do with the slug col? |
| 23:42.24 | Adys | spatialite> CREATE UNIQUE INDEX "backend_ad_slug" ON "backend_ad"("slug"); |
| 23:42.24 | Adys | Error: indexed columns are not unique |
| 23:42.40 | Adys | its just that |
| 23:42.44 | Adys | dropping the unique works |
| 23:42.50 | Adys | but ive no idea what other index is in there |
| 23:42.51 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 23:42.57 | Adys | how do i list indices? |
| 23:43.29 | Vlad| | .tables |
| 23:43.32 | Vlad| | .schema |
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| 23:43.54 | Vlad| | at least if you use sqlite3 cmd those work |
| 23:44.37 | Adys | k sec |
| 23:48.07 | Arrowmaster | so i finally figured out my problem with the new laptop, i had to change it from efi to legacy booting to get it to boot a CD that uses grub without getting a corrupted display |
| 23:50.08 | Arrowmaster | i was thinking i would have to make a custom grub.cfg to get it to not currupt the display and then use nomodeset to stop the kernel from messing it up |
| 23:50.53 | Arrowmaster | heh it wont boot into win8 with this config |
| 23:52.51 | Vlad| | didn't they purposefully make the new win8 requirements so that you can't highjack it so easily at boot? |
| 23:52.58 | Vlad| | i.e. why it won't like you messing how it boots and such |
| 23:53.01 | Arrowmaster | its not a requirement |
| 23:53.10 | Vlad| | aha, good. |
| 23:53.19 | Arrowmaster | its only a requirement for win8rt on ARM |
| 23:53.57 | Arrowmaster | if you get a device that secure boot cant be disabled on and its not an ARM device that came with win8rt preinstalled, return it |
| 23:54.51 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i think im going to try LMDE on my new laptop |
| 23:54.58 | Adys | lxde? |
| 23:55.08 | Arrowmaster | linux mint debian edition |
| 23:55.11 | Adys | oh |
| 23:55.23 | Adys | i am hearing good things about linux mint |
| 23:55.34 | Adys | but i dont think its meant for experienced linux users |
| 23:56.48 | Arrowmaster | the good things i hear about it are always about MATE/Cinnamon |
| 23:57.08 | Adys | i think they share a lot of code with lxde |
| 23:57.14 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 23:57.30 | Arrowmaster | MATE is gnome2 forked, Cinnamon is gnome3 forked |
