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| 00:34.30 | sintAcks | wish i had curse prem again |
| 00:34.53 | Sintacks | Mon 26th |04:43:15 pm| #wowuidev [Unkle_] sintAcks Why not just macro a script? The CVars are still in the code. |
| 00:35.13 | Sintacks | that's prob what i'll end up doing, i've just beenlazy to look into what cvars i need |
| 00:39.26 | bleeter | lol http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-27/china-falls-for-27sexiest27-kim-jong-un-award/4395742 |
| 00:40.44 | Shadowed | Stanzilla what |
| 00:41.11 | bleeter | is it my failing brain or is there really no breadcrumb to the new content? |
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| 00:41.26 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: in 5.1 SPELL_POWER_LIGHT_FORCE was changed to SPELL_POWER_CHI for your SUF updating pleasure |
| 00:41.44 | Shadowed | those were all fixed already |
| 00:41.45 | Shadowed | like months ago |
| 00:41.47 | bleeter | oh no, there it is in my quest log. did I really accept that, I don't recall. |
| 00:41.49 | bleeter | shrugs |
| 00:42.14 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: this then http://paste2.org/p/2532319 |
| 00:42.39 | Shadowed | and there's a perfectly good ticket system for things like this |
| 00:42.53 | nilyaK | ugh keep getting char not found |
| 00:42.59 | nilyaK | what do I do :( |
| 00:43.27 | TC-work | Shadowed: That's what I tell people here, but no, i still get emails, phone calls, and people walking up. |
| 00:43.29 | Semlar | wallow in self pity |
| 00:44.26 | nilyaK | seems like it |
| 00:48.54 | bleeter | Funkeh`: thanks for the updates :) |
| 00:49.18 | Funkeh` | to what? :p |
| 00:49.36 | bleeter | all the things :P |
| 00:49.58 | Funkeh` | updating ALL THE THINGS |
| 00:50.10 | Funkeh` | although it extends about as far as changing the toc version |
| 00:51.11 | Semlar | update.. some of the things |
| 00:51.52 | Stanzilla | Shadowed: so that had nothing to do with chi changes because those got fixed months ago? |
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| 01:06.08 | bleeter | is it just me or is WoW missing hovercrafts? |
| 01:06.31 | TC-work | Most things are missing hovercrafts |
| 01:07.11 | Kaylin | it has a hovercloud |
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| 01:13.18 | bleeter | threatening to run people over with your hovercloud doesn't quite... have the... je ne sai quais (sp?) ... yannow? |
| 01:13.18 | batbot | bleeter, quail, quails, quasi, quays. |
| 01:14.34 | kd3 | je ne sais quoi |
| 01:15.19 | bleeter | kd3: merky |
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| 01:16.55 | TC-work | ~lart bleeter |
| 01:16.55 | purl | hereby declares bleeter a troll |
| 01:16.56 | TC-work | *cough*..common purl |
| 01:20.50 | bleeter | wat |
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| 01:21.39 | bleeter | ~fail purl |
| 01:21.39 | purl | purl, you Fail! |
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| 01:46.48 | henry_ | really easy question: what is the ui of wow add ons done in? |
| 01:46.51 | henry_ | what is the html and css equivalent for wow add ons? |
| 01:47.07 | bleeter | lua and xml |
| 01:47.20 | kd3 | the wow ui is programmed in lua using xml |
| 01:48.01 | kd3 | ~wowprogramming |
| 01:48.01 | purl | well, wowprogramming is World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons - http://is.gd/7A3Jx - a book written by Cladhaire (jnwhiteh) and Gazmik, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 01:48.25 | bleeter | wat, clad's got gazmik writing with him? |
| 01:48.32 | bleeter | I *have* been away a while... |
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| 01:49.43 | henry_ | thanks :) |
| 01:50.34 | henry_ | xml is almost the same thing as html.. |
| 01:50.35 | henry_ | . |
| 01:50.44 | Kaylin | xml is much broader |
| 01:50.51 | Kaylin | do you mean xhtml? |
| 01:51.30 | kd3 | xml is a superset of html |
| 01:51.47 | Kaylin | I don |
| 01:51.53 | Kaylin | 't think they're quite formed the same. |
| 01:52.18 | henry_ | I've never done xml but it seems like html but you make up your tags i guess |
| 01:53.16 | karl_w_w | xml is the simplest thing in the world |
| 01:53.27 | bleeter | nah, that'd be Fisker |
| 01:53.40 | bleeter | j/k Fisker <3 |
| 01:53.59 | karl_w_w | Fisker isn't in this world |
| 01:54.01 | henry_ | wow you literally need to know nothing to do xml... |
| 01:54.09 | bleeter | karl_w_w: point |
| 01:54.12 | Kaylin | html vs xhtml is the difference between like <br> and <br /> |
| 01:54.30 | Neffi | Anyone maintaining a nameplate addon: you're gonna have work to do. It seems the frame structure of them has changed. |
| 01:54.40 | henry_ | <imakeuptagscuzimbaus>this is xml.</imakeuptagscuzimbaus> |
| 01:56.08 | kd3 | wow, sigh. broken lfr window is broken |
| 01:56.30 | bleeter | yup |
| 01:57.19 | kd3 | durcyn, <3 |
| 01:58.18 | durcyn | the -03 tag should be solid, i didn't have much time to test it |
| 01:58.46 | kd3 | the one on curse works fine? |
| 01:58.53 | durcyn | yeah, that should be it |
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| 02:07.27 | bleeter | durcyn: wtfpl <3 |
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| 02:31.37 | Ackis | does raid finder no longer tell you how many bosses are killed? |
| 02:32.52 | Jammer | Ackis: think API order changed and was not updated for the UI |
| 02:32.53 | bleeter | Ackis: It's broken. Blizz shipped crap UI code yes ;) |
| 02:33.06 | bleeter | durcyn has an addon on Curse for that. |
| 02:33.14 | bleeter | 'raid finder fixer' or something, iirc |
| 02:33.33 | bleeter | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/raidfinderfix |
| 02:34.14 | Jammer | dunno how you can change that without updating your own UI code |
| 02:34.49 | bleeter | anyone putting money on a 5.1.0a by end of week? ;_ |
| 02:35.17 | lcd | Guildie says he can't tag Blingtron with any of his alts after tagging with one of his characters. Is this a bug or did Blizzard screw us? |
| 02:36.57 | lcd | Oh joy. Someone on IRC invited me to watch her xxx cam. |
| 02:37.07 | lcd | score |
| 02:37.19 | bleeter | how terribly 1980s |
| 02:37.34 | lcd | heh |
| 02:48.08 | karl_w_w | hey bleeter, “the NBN Co is going to result in Australians paying more for broadband” |
| 02:48.21 | karl_w_w | guesses on who said that |
| 02:48.30 | karl_w_w | a random comments troll perhaps? |
| 02:52.24 | Dagmar | The fucking moron front |
| 02:52.38 | karl_w_w | Malcolm Turnbull |
| 02:52.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3642412.htm |
| 02:52.58 | Dagmar | I think he's one of them |
| 02:53.03 | Dagmar | I find that drama astonishing |
| 02:53.29 | Dagmar | In the US, the kooks are generally wrong about large and highly complex issues, and when they're wrong they're pretty vocal about it but it's still clear they're cranks |
| 02:54.08 | bleeter | ahhh malcolm turnbull |
| 02:54.29 | bleeter | the guy who sold our biggest (at the time) private ISP to overseas hands... only to watch it go bust |
| 02:54.34 | Dagmar | AU has a lot of people carping about the NBN who sound totally reasonable if a bit hostile, except for that they're speaking on a technical topic which isn't some point of philosophy but is actual science which has answers that are clearly and definitively right or wrong... and they are just HELLISHLY WRONG |
| 02:55.02 | bleeter | the guy who was an active investor in the guilty party to the biggest software copyright case in australia's history, to this day.. some near 15-20 years later |
| 02:55.09 | bleeter | yeah, malcolm turnbull on IT |
| 02:55.11 | bleeter | roflcopter |
| 02:55.29 | Dagmar | People complaining about fiber... "Why are they using fiber? No one needs all that speed!". Fucking dimwits, fiber is cheaper than copper |
| 02:55.49 | bleeter | karl_w_w: two words. I'll give you the first. Godwin. |
| 02:55.54 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 02:56.09 | Dagmar | Complaining about the lack of needing physical anything run, citing the recent advances at MIT as having dramatically increased wireless bandwidth |
| 02:56.39 | bleeter | i'm far more interested in quantum networks |
| 02:56.45 | Dagmar | NO, even more insanely wrong. MIT reduced bandwidth loss due to poor signals and or interference. They did not increase wireless speeds. |
| 02:56.56 | bleeter | and there was another type of network that Clarke described in his later years that was pretty freaky, too |
| 02:56.58 | Dagmar | Also, there's no fucking way with wireless. Not on that scale. Fucking hell no. |
| 02:57.31 | bleeter | using theoretical particles of some sort to transmit info through any insulation or some shizz can't remember precisely |
| 02:57.49 | Dagmar | Quantum information teleportation |
| 02:58.04 | Dagmar | ...which somehow even confuses a few hackers here and there |
| 02:58.08 | bleeter | I have an idea, let's all sit around on our arses until jetpacks for civilians come in a box with our happy meal |
| 02:58.41 | bleeter | yeah clarke was trying to imagine what may be beyond that =) |
| 02:59.08 | bleeter | *arthur c clarke, that is |
| 02:59.11 | Dagmar | Entangled particles. You are basically looking at a particle that is in two places at once, or apparently intersects our reality in two places temporarily |
| 02:59.48 | bleeter | yeah there were noises about quantum networks around the turn of the century, for a few years |
| 02:59.57 | bleeter | then everything went mysteriously quiet >< |
| 03:00.07 | Dagmar | People sobered up maybe |
| 03:00.17 | bleeter | national security after 9/11, my bet |
| 03:00.20 | Dagmar | It's _possible_ but still suffers from massive problems |
| 03:00.35 | bleeter | research is probably up there with, say, radar research during ww2 |
| 03:00.59 | Dagmar | More like attempting to make UFOs during WWII |
| 03:01.13 | Semlar | is it a ufo if you made it |
| 03:01.29 | Dagmar | At the moment, for a very brief (but not vanishingly short) period of time, we can use one photon to transmit information |
| 03:01.39 | Dagmar | That's as of _this year_ |
| 03:02.09 | Dagmar | ...so to even attempt a quantum network transmission, you still have to _run fiber_ so you can have a mostly continuous stream of entangled photons. |
| 03:02.22 | Dagmar | The window is less than 100ms |
| 03:02.35 | Semlar | like some sort of quantum orgy |
| 03:03.02 | Dagmar | I was having to explain to guys at PN why this is not "teleportation" like you could scale up and punt people through |
| 03:04.10 | Dagmar | "But... but... they said 'teleportation'!" |
| 03:04.54 | Dagmar | Frankly I'm wondering if it's worth it to be a dick and apply for a patent on it |
| 03:05.24 | Dagmar | A method and apparatus for the instantaneous transmission of pornography |
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| 03:18.46 | m^rk | is there a wow api that you can tell if the ui is fully loaded or stabalized? i'm finding that calling CooldownFrame_SetTimer() is causing lua errors but if I wait a few secs after the addon is loaded that its fine.. just started this behaviors in this patch |
| 03:20.04 | Semlar | that kind of depends on what you need to wait for |
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| 03:20.28 | Jamash | amg I'm back |
| 03:20.37 | Dagmar | o/ |
| 03:21.55 | Semlar | i thought all of the action buttons would have been loaded before an addon possibly could |
| 03:23.20 | Semlar | what are you calling it on? |
| 03:23.31 | m^rk | a custom button |
| 03:23.50 | Semlar | what's the error |
| 03:23.56 | m^rk | i inherit from CooldownFrameTemplate for custom cooldown |
| 03:24.12 | Semlar | are you just trying to call it before the button is created |
| 03:25.06 | karl_w_w | Jamash! I missed you so much. |
| 03:25.20 | Jamash | \o |
| 03:25.27 | m^rk | nah, i had checks for that, and added more layers of checks, but waiting 10 secs after addon was loaded fixes it.. here is the error |
| 03:25.37 | m^rk | Message: Usage: myframe_Cooldown:SetCooldown(start, duration, charges, maxCharges) |
| 03:25.44 | Jamash | I blew up windows and my laptop was overheating again |
| 03:26.09 | m^rk | Debug: |
| 03:26.09 | m^rk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.09 | m^rk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.09 | m^rk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.10 | End_ | m^rk: try PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 03:26.27 | End_ | some things act really bizarrely until that event fires |
| 03:26.27 | Semlar | i think the start/duration you're feeding it might be wrong |
| 03:26.38 | End_ | possibly |
| 03:26.48 | End_ | it's possible the start/duration he is getting from the api is wrong |
| 03:27.07 | End_ | but he says it works fine after he's in the game |
| 03:27.09 | Semlar | maybe check that they're a valid value first? |
| 03:27.27 | m^rk | thats probably a good idea, but weird that a few secs of delays fixes it |
| 03:27.38 | Semlar | depends on how you're getting the values |
| 03:27.58 | Semlar | if something's returning nil for some reason it could mess it up |
| 03:28.31 | m^rk | this gives me some things to try. thanks a ton to you both |
| 03:29.43 | Mr_Rabies | urgh |
| 03:29.59 | Mr_Rabies | i hate how trinkets don't mesh with their "figure it out ingame" strategy |
| 03:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | since we never know proc rate, ppm etc |
| 03:30.56 | Mr_Rabies | so i have to rely on theorycrafted math for them :< |
| 03:31.08 | End_ | yeah |
| 03:31.50 | End_ | it's a bit better than it used to be, where a few select trinkets would last tiers longer than they should |
| 03:32.31 | End_ | but it can still be pretty unintuitive |
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| 03:33.54 | Semlar | i just use the one with the coolest icon |
| 03:45.02 | Mr_Rabies | I wish trinkets were like "15% chance on hit to gain 2750 agility for 30 seconds. Can activate once per minute. |
| 03:45.44 | Semlar | do their durations ever not correlate to their internal cooldown |
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| 03:52.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure there's some, but not always |
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| 04:05.52 | pompy | harl |
| 04:20.18 | m^rk | Semlar: thanks it seems it was bad values. It seems CooldownFrame_SetTimer is more sensative to nils than after this patch. |
| 04:20.51 | Semlar | well it's good you figured it out |
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| 04:38.59 | durcyn | best unannounced 5.1 change: tree form glyphed druids can be lit on fire by cooking fires |
| 04:39.13 | Seerah | :) |
| 04:39.15 | Semlar | best update |
| 04:39.41 | Cairenn | Really? *snark* |
| 04:48.39 | lcd | lol |
| 04:50.07 | bleeter | yay restarts already... well... soonish |
| 04:54.58 | Fisker | stares |
| 04:56.13 | Fisker | jesus |
| 04:56.21 | karl_w_w | yes? |
| 04:56.39 | Fisker | suddenly pets everywhere |
| 04:56.57 | karl_w_w | i had a pet king yesterday |
| 04:57.00 | Fisker | why does battle.net tell me to buy a companion? :( |
| 04:57.01 | karl_w_w | was pretty cool |
| 04:57.12 | karl_w_w | because you like shinies |
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| 05:01.12 | Scotepi | has anyone figured out how to get a ilevel of an upgraded item? |
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| 05:10.36 | Mr_Rabies | if it's not directly available, you could try accessing the upgrade level and use some math based on that or something :| |
| 05:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | note: i've got practically no clue what i'm talking about |
| 05:13.00 | Semlar | well, if it's in the tooltip it could be parsed out |
| 05:13.41 | Fisker | soothes kd3 |
| 05:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | durcyn: amazing |
| 05:16.45 | Scotepi | Semlar, looking for something a little more reliable then tooltip parsing |
| 05:16.50 | durcyn | Mr_Rabies: hm? |
| 05:17.00 | Mr_Rabies | <durcyn> best unannounced 5.1 change: tree form glyphed druids can be lit on fire by cooking fires |
| 05:17.51 | Scotepi | I can't find anything that will tell me the items upgraded level 0,1,2 etc.. and the ilevel isn't jumping out at me |
| 05:18.04 | Scotepi | for example, |cff0070dd|Hitem:81287:4805:4585:0:0:0:0:-2058788992:90:126:452|h[Spaulders of Immovable Stone]|h|r is a blue upgraded once to 471 |
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| 05:22.29 | Fisker | attacks |
| 05:22.49 | Thunder_Child | how cute |
| 05:23.10 | Scotepi | I was told that its in the enchantId field, but there isn't any way to doce that is there? |
| 05:23.49 | Fisker | cries |
| 05:24.18 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.41 | Semlar | no idea what it actually represents |
| 05:25.28 | Semlar | print("\124cff0070dd\124Hitem:81287:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:452\124h[Spaulders of Immovable Stone]\124h\124r") |
| 05:26.12 | Semlar | if you replace it with 0 it becomes a normal item |
| 05:26.38 | End_ | I upgraded an epic and it has 446 at the end |
| 05:26.44 | Scotepi | hmm anyone have a double upgraded item? |
| 05:26.48 | End_ | 496->500 |
| 05:27.21 | End_ | I guess I could double upgrade it |
| 05:27.22 | End_ | for |
| 05:27.23 | End_ | science |
| 05:27.27 | Semlar | FOR PONY |
| 05:27.39 | Scotepi | i dont have enough VP :( |
| 05:27.42 | End_ | now it says 447 |
| 05:27.46 | End_ | for the last number |
| 05:27.55 | End_ | it's item level 504 now, of course |
| 05:28.16 | Semlar | 453 makes it say 0/2 |
| 05:28.20 | Semlar | 454 is 1/2 |
| 05:28.44 | Semlar | 455 is 2/2 |
| 05:28.52 | Semlar | shocking, i know |
| 05:29.13 | Scotepi | hmmm |
| 05:29.25 | Scotepi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.41 | Fisker | what madness is this? |
| 05:29.50 | Semlar | 446 is also 1/2 |
| 05:30.11 | Scotepi | i bet x4x where 4 is quality.. |
| 05:30.16 | Semlar | but a lower item level |
| 05:30.21 | Scotepi | isnt 4 blue and 5 epiq? |
| 05:30.58 | Scotepi | xx3 upgradeable, xx4 1 upgrade, xx5 2 upgrades |
| 05:31.07 | Semlar | nevermind it's the same item level i don't know what the difference is |
| 05:31.20 | Fisker | why would they even look at item quality? |
| 05:32.12 | Scotepi | no clue |
| 05:32.41 | Scotepi | wow heads item linkls hasn't been updated |
| 05:37.37 | Scotepi | muahaha /run for i=0,9 do print(i.." \124cffa335ee\124Hitem:89921:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0:45"..i.."\124h[Pauldrons of the Broken Blade]\124h\124r"); end |
| 05:40.11 | Scotepi | got it, using the notation xyz for 454 not sure what x or y mean but z is - 0 = none, 1 0/1 2 1/1 3 0/2 4 1/2 etc. |
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| 05:43.52 | bleeter | '"hey we removed items taking up bagslots and put it in your currency tab. we also have new quests with a new currency which takes up bag slots" is it any wonder we think devs are on crack?' lol |
| 05:44.19 | durcyn | to be fair, you only need one person out of a whole group do to the animal quest, bleeter |
| 05:44.24 | Mr_Rabies | i think maybe it's to make it obvious what they're for |
| 05:44.28 | bleeter | (course I replied 'no, they just do it to piss you off') |
| 05:44.28 | karl_w_w | my god the new item tooltips are a mess |
| 05:45.08 | Mr_Rabies | i like 'em |
| 05:45.16 | Mr_Rabies | gonna take some getting used to |
| 05:45.55 | Mr_Rabies | but i'm happy to not have items with unreadable set bonuses because the tooltip is so huge |
| 05:46.04 | Scotepi | what is called when a item tooltip is generated, is that visable? |
| 05:46.39 | Scotepi | in the framexml |
| 05:46.54 | karl_w_w | probably just an onenter on the buttons |
| 05:46.54 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: yeah, maybe. still smells to me of crappy storyline explanation. |
| 05:47.28 | Torhal | Scotepi: OnTooltipSetItem |
| 05:47.29 | bleeter | but as I said, I'm positive the devs did this in 5.1 to piss my 'friend' off so all's good :D |
| 05:47.42 | Mr_Rabies | they're trying to make sites like wowhead less necessary to simply play the game |
| 05:48.09 | Neffi | Brainfart.. If I want to make a function to construct a unit_flag object, get hostileplayer = flag('player','player','hostile','outsider') (type,control,react,affliliation), do I just need to add the relevant masks together? Eg: 0x400+0x100+0x40+0x8 ? |
| 05:48.18 | bleeter | hell, I still find it amusing the your gold is in your bags and not a currency |
| 05:48.40 | bleeter | *in your bags but not in your bags and not a currency |
| 05:48.45 | Mr_Rabies | they plan on making gold server/faction wide at some point |
| 05:48.52 | Neffi | !lua print(('%04x'):format(0x400+0x100+0x40+0x8)) |
| 05:48.53 | batbot | Neffi: 0548 |
| 05:49.01 | Neffi | awesome |
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| 05:49.23 | Neffi | is there any situation where this would fail against unitflags in the CLEU? |
| 05:49.43 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i wish they'd just put the goblin AH everywhere and have it cross-realm |
| 05:50.16 | Mr_Rabies | our AH is so dead nowadays |
| 05:50.29 | Semlar | scotepi: http://pastebin.com/r0EuHi3i |
| 05:51.03 | bleeter | Neutral AH should be CRZ'd, yes |
| 05:51.36 | karl_w_w | should use bit.band, Neffi? |
| 05:51.36 | Scotepi | yep got the same thing, but i would like to know the 44x 45x mean |
| 05:51.39 | bleeter | though I suspect I'd want to nerf the hell out of what can be sold cross realm lol |
| 05:51.57 | Neffi | karl_w_w: bit.band to combine them? |
| 05:52.09 | karl_w_w | yeah i think so |
| 05:52.15 | karl_w_w | im not sure |
| 05:52.20 | Neffi | !lua print( bit.band(0x400,0x100,0x40,0x8) ) |
| 05:52.20 | batbot | Neffi: @ [string "return print( bit.band(0x400,0x100,0x40,0x8..."]:1: attempt to index global 'bit' (a nil value) |
| 05:52.28 | Neffi | >_> |
| 05:52.39 | Neffi | Well the math is adding up as-is, which I thought it would |
| 05:52.48 | karl_w_w | !lua print( band(0x400,0x100,0x40,0x8) ) |
| 05:52.49 | batbot | karl_w_w: @ [string "return print( band(0x400,0x100,0x40,0x8) )"]:1: attempt to call global 'band' (a nil value) |
| 05:52.51 | Neffi | but i'm way too tired to visualize hex->bitfield right now |
| 05:52.52 | karl_w_w | hmm |
| 05:53.05 | Neffi | bit lib isn't standard in Lua until 5.2 |
| 05:53.10 | Neffi | WoW uses a third-party bit lib |
| 05:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | heh blingtron was nerfed |
| 05:53.16 | Mr_Rabies | i saw that coming |
| 05:53.28 | Mr_Rabies | only once per day per account |
| 05:53.36 | Shirik | see, now this is how you donate cans to charity: http://www.cryptozoic.com/downloads/files/ctc_postcard_back_5x7.pdf |
| 05:53.37 | Neffi | nerf the mats on it |
| 05:53.43 | Mr_Rabies | still foresee farmers abusing it though |
| 05:54.07 | Mr_Rabies | unless the quest has a level limit...which i'm sure it does, nevermind :X |
| 05:54.33 | Neffi | Has anyone needed to construct a function for combining unit flags? |
| 05:55.11 | Neffi | I'm trying to play with metatables so I can do something like this: hostileplayer = flag(...); function CLEU(..., dflags, ...) if dflags == hostileplayer then ... end end |
| 05:55.21 | Scotepi | Semlar, I'm wondering if converting it to binary might give some info, or am i over thinking it |
| 05:55.38 | Semlar | they're just numbers |
| 05:55.49 | Scotepi | I know mounts have a flag that once you convert it, it tells you a lot |
| 05:55.51 | Semlar | like enchant ids |
| 05:56.12 | bleeter | well that's just dumb 'crz on pvp is dumb because I get ganked lots by 90's' |
| 05:56.25 | Neffi | There's not much info on the "special case" non-exclusive flags. I'm not sure if adding them together will break when you throw one of them in |
| 05:56.30 | Neffi | the above worked: |
| 05:56.38 | Neffi | !lua print(('%04x'):format(0x400+0x100+0x40+0x8)) |
| 05:56.39 | batbot | Neffi: 0548 |
| 05:56.45 | Arrowmaster | Adys: theres a special guest on last nights NCIS |
| 05:56.47 | Neffi | that's the flags for hostile player, and it produces the right flag |
| 05:57.10 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: blingtron wasn't nerfed, was fixed. original release notes had in description what he NOW does (at least, as I understand this is what happened) |
| 05:57.48 | bleeter | there was a post on US customer support (iirc) earlier referencing this |
| 05:59.06 | bleeter | that is, that it'd be once a day account wide |
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| 06:02.34 | durcyn | ~wowalert |
| 06:02.34 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 06:03.09 | Fisker | durcyn |
| 06:03.49 | Semlar | scotepi: http://pastebin.com/brDqjeKz my script found some more ids |
| 06:04.05 | durcyn | Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 06:04.31 | bleeter | 'already known' and profession level requirement at the bottom of recipe tooltips |
| 06:04.31 | Fisker | why are you doing this? |
| 06:04.38 | bleeter | Fisker |
| 06:04.43 | Scotepi | note the repeates, thats why I think its a hex2bin or something but libclec isn't liking my data |
| 06:05.05 | Scotepi | so im converting them manualy |
| 06:05.15 | Semlar | they repeat because they represent different things |
| 06:05.51 | Semlar | the different ids must be used for different types of items or something |
| 06:06.23 | durcyn | out of pure hatred, Fisker |
| 06:07.48 | bleeter | durcyn |
| 06:08.03 | durcyn | sir? |
| 06:08.13 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:08.24 | Fisker | i liked you durcyn |
| 06:08.31 | durcyn | i never liked me |
| 06:12.36 | Mr_Rabies | just because it's a fix doesn't mean it's not also a nerf bleeter ;p |
| 06:13.20 | Semlar | i told my script to scan for enchant ids, they appear to go up to 5013 |
| 06:15.09 | Semlar | +550 strength |
| 06:16.39 | Scotepi | I converted to binary and then converted that to a table (reminds me to much of match class right now, its a truth table!) but im not seeing a pattern that would explain the slots |
| 06:16.59 | Semlar | you're not going to find a pattern, they're sequential ids |
| 06:18.30 | Scotepi | yeah considering it goes x/1 for 2 then x/2 for 3 then x/1 again |
| 06:18.30 | Semlar | like item or spell ids |
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| 06:29.49 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I'm still not convinced multiple large chances of large amounts of fuck all is really worth it :P |
| 06:30.08 | bleeter | bloody hell I'm getting old |
| 06:30.17 | bleeter | can't even muster qq over blinger |
| 06:30.35 | bleeter | Damn you, Mr_Rabies!111! :P |
| 06:31.25 | Mr_Rabies | especially considering the thing to summon it costs so much to make |
| 06:33.24 | bleeter | you appear to misunderstand the central function of the Engineering profession :P |
| 06:34.01 | bleeter | s/function/mechanic/ |
| 06:34.09 | Jamash | you mean so you can pretend to be a mage? |
| 06:34.26 | Jamash | my engineer _is_ a mage, btw. big mistake |
| 06:34.42 | bleeter | no, not mageprocs though yes that's the most useful stat of course |
| 06:34.48 | bleeter | having my own mage engi |
| 06:34.56 | Jamash | it's what made me realize that engineering is just "mage: the profession" |
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| 06:36.04 | Jamash | slow fall, humanoid cc, aoe nukes, teleports, probably half the stuff engineering has is cribbed from the mage playbook |
| 06:36.41 | bleeter | which is why they got their invisibility (sorta) back, yes |
| 06:36.53 | bleeter | coz so many mages had the cloak and blizz were just like 'well fuckit then' |
| 06:37.17 | Jamash | basically I took engineering and got the world enlarger and the flying machine |
| 06:37.55 | Jamash | makes me kind of sad / annoyed |
| 06:44.38 | Shirik | haha: http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2012/11/27/replyallcalypse-2012-nyu-local-explains-why-your-inbox-was-blowing-up-last-night/ |
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| 06:47.33 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.42 | Shirik | waves |
| 06:48.01 | bluspacecow | oh hai2u |
| 06:48.18 | kd3 | hm; http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7200062357#1 |
| 06:50.57 | lcd | Nothing said about 4:20. tsk |
| 06:51.13 | bluspacecow | whats 4:20 ? |
| 06:51.24 | lcd | sexy time |
| 06:51.39 | Shirik | something they legalized in Washington |
| 06:51.45 | lcd | indeed |
| 06:51.46 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture) |
| 06:58.13 | bleeter | y'all crazy merkins |
| 06:58.22 | bleeter | feck |
| 06:58.30 | bleeter | y'all cray merkins |
| 06:59.00 | Shirik | pat pats bleeter |
| 06:59.35 | bleeter | y'all? yall? yawl? |
| 06:59.40 | bleeter | shrugs |
| 07:03.57 | durcyn | what the actual fuck? http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7200062357 |
| 07:12.42 | bluspacecow | Hmmm |
| 07:14.01 | Wobin | durcyn: just in case you needed to be even more confused |
| 07:14.08 | breser | durcyn: Easy way out of fixing a pain of a problem. |
| 07:15.09 | durcyn | oh, i'm fine with it, just a bit of a surprise |
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| 07:21.52 | zenzio | hah... "There are 3 hard things in programming - naming, cache invalidation, and consistent capitalizing of 'ID' throughout a code base" |
| 07:21.58 | zenzio | so recognise myself in the ID thing |
| 07:25.41 | bleeter | yeah I try to never use ID in my code |
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| 07:41.10 | mitch0 | yeah, ID sucks. evolution ftw |
| 07:44.43 | Elkano | becomes even more fun when you add some Idx, too ;) |
| 07:49.16 | bleeter | mitch0: FSM or GTFO |
| 07:50.02 | mitch0 | FSM? |
| 07:51.08 | durcyn | flying spaghetti monster. |
| 07:51.16 | durcyn | you're not a pastafarian? let mem sing you the song of my people. |
| 07:53.00 | bleeter | see this is the simple solution, replace all ID references with FSM references |
| 07:53.12 | bleeter | because as everyone knowsn His name is always capitalized |
| 07:53.17 | bleeter | pasta be upon Him |
| 07:56.51 | kd3 | king of the hill: http://i.imgur.com/DnQMU.jpg |
| 07:57.03 | kd3 | top comment so far: "I eat antelope and antelope extremities." |
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| 08:36.59 | Jamash | zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 08:38.33 | Jamash | z |
| 08:38.35 | bluspacecow | *sleeps with Jamash* |
| 08:38.40 | Jamash | kinky |
| 08:39.34 | Jamash | Elkano: Beatmania IIdx |
| 08:41.55 | Jamash | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a red snappah. |
| 08:44.48 | stuf | which reminds me, haven't played 2dx in a while |
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| 09:28.04 | bluspacecow | work tiems |
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| 09:41.30 | lcd | aww they nerfed Blingtron :( |
| 09:41.51 | lcd | oh well. I don't have alts anyway |
| 09:46.25 | Jamash | ROLL ALL THE ALTS |
| 09:46.34 | Jamash | zzz for real |
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| 10:36.28 | karl_w_w | so when u've done the quests up to the scenario, done the scenario, and done the dailies in the cave what else is there to do? |
| 10:48.13 | p3lim | Hm, trying to override a global function, for some reason I get errors from blizzard's code saying the function is nil |
| 10:59.02 | karl_w_w | sintAcks error? |
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| 11:06.10 | aksr | hi to all, i was wondering where to find a (complete) reference to old macro system? |
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| 11:07.30 | lcd | How many dailies do I need to do to get 80 charms? |
| 11:07.33 | Vlad| | Blizzard made queueing up for BG protected -_- |
| 11:07.33 | lcd | 40 |
| 11:07.38 | lcd | yeah there's two right? |
| 11:07.41 | lcd | for each turnin |
| 11:08.09 | lcd | damn that's gonna suck |
| 11:08.20 | lcd | is so sick of dailies. |
| 11:08.34 | p3lim | Also, nameplate children changed? |
| 11:09.01 | lcd | my nameplates addon is working |
| 11:09.09 | lcd | tinyplates/threatplates |
| 11:10.27 | p3lim | Oh wow, new texture for druid clearcast |
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| 11:14.21 | Vlad| | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=21600#info :( |
| 11:17.17 | zenzio | ":(" what? |
| 11:17.50 | Vlad| | can't queue for battlegrounds anymore |
| 11:18.51 | zenzio | while I can understand your frustration (or simlpy discontent), I find it rather silly to put things like "futile attempt to stop (...)" into the addon's description. A more simple, objective description sounds (to my ear) better |
| 11:19.06 | zenzio | it's not as if Blizzard's going to browse your page and go "oh, woops, we'd better revert this" |
| 11:19.28 | Vlad| | :P |
| 11:19.30 | Vlad| | well, it is futile |
| 11:19.45 | Vlad| | why else would the JoinBattlefield suddenly become protected? :P |
| 11:20.06 | Vlad| | it's futile because it's not like bots use lua to interface with the game ;) |
| 11:20.22 | Vlad| | and if they do I am aware they can turn off these limitations as well |
| 11:20.37 | Vlad| | *shrug* |
| 11:21.01 | lcd | thinks Vlad| is a bot. |
| 11:21.02 | Vlad| | works fine with the world pvp zones, wintergrasp and tol barad :P the BattlefieldMgr* isn't protected, hehe |
| 11:21.09 | Vlad| | :D |
| 11:21.54 | Vlad| | tbh blizzard should rewrite their pvp code, so old :P |
| 11:22.31 | lcd | rots Vlad|'s bits. |
| 11:22.53 | lcd | don't mind me |
| 11:23.08 | zenzio | why don't we just remove all protection from functions so we can all be bots |
| 11:23.19 | lcd | damn there's not even an avg time for LFR queue atm. I've been in queue 31 minutes. |
| 11:23.41 | lcd | maybe I should go to sleep |
| 11:23.42 | zenzio | lcd: what timezone? |
| 11:24.29 | Vlad| | zenzio: you are assuming current bots use lua to make the game do stuff, and it's true, but those bots surpass the limitations set in place by blizzard :P |
| 11:24.48 | zenzio | some bots always get around things, but why make it simple? |
| 11:25.55 | Vlad| | instead blizzard should focus on updating warden to detect botting behavior quicker, instead of protecting api and hoping that fixes the issue :P |
| 11:25.58 | Vlad| | because it won't lol |
| 11:26.11 | zenzio | so they should protect against external botting, but not internal? |
| 11:26.18 | zenzio | did they specifically say it was to prevent botting? |
| 11:26.37 | Vlad| | there has been huge complains lately about pvp bots, so I assume yes, why else? |
| 11:26.51 | zenzio | assuming is a bad thing |
| 11:27.16 | zenzio | they could have detected flaws in their functions, or noticed from monitoring that it wasn't working as they had intended, and so on |
| 11:27.27 | zenzio | obviously could be because of botting, but simpy assuming it is not wise |
| 11:27.32 | Vlad| | tell that to people investing in the stock market :P |
| 11:27.34 | zenzio | also simply |
| 11:28.00 | zenzio | Vlad|: that's a choice the stock markets have chosen to allow |
| 11:28.27 | Vlad| | pointless discussion is pointless :P |
| 11:28.52 | zenzio | pointless assumption is pointless |
| 11:28.57 | Vlad| | fact is, they basically broke all the battleground addons by doing this |
| 11:29.12 | Vlad| | all the queue related once |
| 11:29.39 | zenzio | what do you need to do to queue for battlegrounds manually? How many clicks? |
| 11:29.54 | Vlad| | scroll the list, click the item, click the join button on the bottom of the frame |
| 11:30.33 | Vlad| | and don't tell me "that's not to hard just get used to doing that" because with that logic we'd still be using phones with numerical keypads :P |
| 11:31.09 | Vlad| | we should be allowed to improve what is old and akward to use to something that we like :( |
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| 11:31.14 | zenzio | for people who use the phone as a phone, probably |
| 11:31.53 | zenzio | Vlad|: we should be grateful we're allowed to modify the UI at all, it's something that (used to be) rare in MMO games to this degree |
| 11:31.55 | Vlad| | we are different, we prefer different things, there is no point to trying to narrow the possibilities down to what is most popular and deny others their freedom of using what they want to use |
| 11:32.19 | Vlad| | actually blizzard knows that without UI modifications they'd loose a lot of subscribers. |
| 11:32.36 | zenzio | now it would |
| 11:32.48 | Vlad| | personally if UI modding wasn't possible I'd stop playing ages ago, one of the things keeping me subscribed is me having the ability to make addons and update addons other people use :P that's fun |
| 11:33.04 | zenzio | for you, sure; and that's perfectly fine |
| 11:34.05 | Vlad| | back to topic: queue addons broken, do you think they will fix this? :P |
| 11:34.16 | zenzio | I don't think they consider it to be broken |
| 11:34.45 | zenzio | and I'm not arguing whether this specific instance is a good or a bad change; I just find it peculiar how large a sense of entitlement people have |
| 11:34.55 | zenzio | and I'm guilty of it myself, not going to claim otherwise |
| 11:37.49 | Vlad| | how I see it; if I addict you to my product, a product with huge boundaries and you feel free to do anything you like, if I later constrict your freedom you'd also be annoyed, besides, you probably even bought the product for said freedoms in the first place, so you are kind of entitled ;) |
| 11:39.11 | Vlad| | anyway, yes, I feel Blizzard owes me enough room for me to change what I dislike about their interfaces :D |
| 11:40.02 | zenzio | annoyed, certainly |
| 11:41.22 | Vlad| | and I did rephrase, I noticed I forgot "assume" in my text lol, so I see how it could rub off you in the wrong way :P |
| 11:41.35 | Vlad| | about me "knowing" why this change happened and such |
| 11:43.58 | p3lim | Gah why can't I override this function :/ |
| 11:44.44 | Vlad| | what api? |
| 11:45.34 | zenzio | Vlad|: I was being a bit of a devil's advocate (or maybe just in an argumentative mood, who knows), not offended by your opinions ;) |
| 11:45.37 | Fisker | but did you atleast notice how neat they had made the new login errors? |
| 11:46.05 | zenzio | how so Fisker? |
| 11:46.32 | Fisker | got an overhault |
| 11:46.34 | Vlad| | me neither zenzio; I just think it's easy to missunderstand peoples motives or attitudes on the interwebs, I do it too, people missunderstand me as well, e.g. can end up messy in silly ways :P |
| 11:46.35 | Fisker | overhaul |
| 11:46.39 | p3lim | Trying to replace MountJournal_MountMachesFilter (L1763 @ Blizzard_PetJournal.lua), when I do I get this: "\Blizzard_PetJournal.lua:1756: attempt to call global 'MountJournal_MountMatchesFilter' (a nil value)" |
| 11:46.43 | Fisker | no longer linking to non-existing support articles and shit i suppose |
| 11:46.49 | zenzio | Vlad|: :) |
| 11:48.00 | zenzio | p3lim: I suppose you've checked that you're not somehow mis-assigning the variable? Perhaps trying to point it to something of a different name? |
| 11:48.19 | p3lim | Nop, did copy-paste to be sure |
| 11:48.22 | chiel | in battleground, do flag carriers etc spawn as arena or boss frames? |
| 11:48.26 | zenzio | hm |
| 11:48.38 | p3lim | Just copying the original function and putting it in my code gives me that error |
| 11:48.57 | p3lim | And yes, I am waiting for Blizzard_PetJournal to load (LoD) |
| 11:50.21 | p3lim | If I do put a return in it (which is expected), it gives me the same error, but instead of "a nil value" it gives me "a table value", that's with return true |
| 11:50.38 | zenzio | that sounds pretty messed up o_O |
| 11:51.07 | p3lim | I have no idea why this is happening myself |
| 11:51.53 | p3lim | I have to rely replacing that function to update Collie (an addon of mine) to 5.1, if not I have to rewrite the whole MountJournal |
| 11:52.09 | p3lim | Which I cba to do |
| 11:53.23 | zenzio | does it still error if you simply replace it with a function that only calls the original? |
| 11:59.58 | p3lim | Yes |
| 12:01.35 | p3lim | Tested with removing the LoD and using ADDON_LOADED in the addon instead, still same error, so it's not something with LoD |
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| 12:24.52 | lcd | So if I want Win 8 then I likely need a new mobo? |
| 12:25.10 | lcd | (ddr2 board) |
| 12:25.12 | lcd | old |
| 12:25.27 | zenzio | I would consider it, but I don't think it'll be a necessity |
| 12:25.29 | lcd | it has that bios restriction right? |
| 12:25.33 | lcd | ah |
| 12:25.42 | Kalroth | if you got a ddr2 board, then you need a new mobo anyways! |
| 12:25.48 | lcd | well yes |
| 12:25.55 | Kalroth | http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/system-requirements |
| 12:25.57 | lcd | it's ok for now though. I can't really afford to upgrade |
| 12:26.51 | zenzio | "... with support for PAE, NX, and SSE2". That'll tell non-technical users so much |
| 12:27.01 | Kalroth | there's a helpful link! |
| 12:27.30 | zenzio | Kalroth: pssh, details :-p |
| 12:29.07 | lcd | "Secure boot requires firmware that supports UEFI v2.3.1 Errata B and has the Microsoft Windows Certification Authority in the UEFI signature database" |
| 12:29.10 | lcd | :( |
| 12:29.47 | zenzio | from my interpretation, that only means you can't use the secure boot feature if you don't have a motherboard that supports it |
| 12:29.51 | lcd | So stupid. |
| 12:29.52 | zenzio | don't take my word for it though |
| 12:30.20 | lcd | You don't have to use secure boot if you don't want? |
| 12:30.40 | lcd | Secure Boot isn't compatible with your PC |
| 12:30.40 | lcd | Your PC's firmware doesn't support Secure Boot so you won't be able to use it in Windows 8. |
| 12:30.46 | lcd | add quotation marks |
| 12:30.58 | zenzio | I'm not sure, but it sounds optional to me |
| 12:31.02 | lcd | yeah |
| 12:31.37 | lcd | aww PuTTY isn't compatible |
| 12:31.49 | lcd | (at least the version I have isn't) |
| 12:31.55 | zenzio | wait, what? |
| 12:32.12 | lcd | I ran the assistant program that checks your system. |
| 12:32.19 | lcd | It tells you what apps aren't compatible |
| 12:33.37 | Vlad| | what about this, buy W8, get a hacked version that disables secure boot requirement, install and use serial key to validate - what are your thoughts? |
| 12:34.20 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8#Secure_boot seems to answer fairly well |
| 12:36.07 | zenzio | for me the assistant claims Microsoft Security Essentials, and Visual Studio 2010 aren't compatible... but doesn't mention PuTTY at all, neither as compatible or incompatible |
| 12:36.27 | lcd | ah hmm |
| 12:36.31 | stuf | putty at least seems to be running just fine for a colleague here |
| 12:36.44 | lcd | maybe it's the version I have |
| 12:37.06 | lcd | anyways, why won't a freaking weapon drop for me? :( |
| 12:37.09 | zenzio | which version is it? |
| 12:37.12 | lcd | 6 weeks now |
| 12:37.25 | lcd | Secure Boot isn't compatible with your PC |
| 12:37.25 | lcd | Your PC's firmware doesn't support Secure Boot so you won't be able to use it in Windows 8. |
| 12:37.28 | lcd | oops |
| 12:37.29 | zenzio | I'm running 0.62 |
| 12:37.46 | lcd | same here |
| 12:37.56 | lcd | odd :/ |
| 12:38.03 | stuf | well, he ran away, gonna ask later on. |
| 12:39.41 | zenzio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PuTTY_on_Windows_8_logged_in_to_OpenShift.PNG - there we go I guess |
| 12:40.06 | A-KO | huh? |
| 12:40.21 | A-KO | I'm running win8, runs great :P |
| 12:40.45 | A-KO | there's no requirements for secure boot whatsoever in 8. |
| 12:42.10 | lcd | hmm |
| 12:42.32 | A-KO | I consider it to be lightyears faster than 7 |
| 12:43.07 | AcidWeb | lcd: I was running win8 on old board without UEFI. |
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| 12:43.30 | A-KO | if you care about the security and performance of your PC, 8 is where it's at. But it's not for the light of heart. It seems drivers are an issue for some people. I was able to run it on my old machine (core 2 duo) but not without crashing every now and again on the NIC driver. |
| 12:43.35 | A-KO | My current system with it does not crash |
| 12:43.35 | lcd | cool |
| 12:43.37 | A-KO | but just keep that in mind |
| 12:44.20 | lcd | security and performance eh |
| 12:44.24 | lcd | :/ |
| 12:44.57 | lcd | anyway, bed |
| 12:44.58 | AcidWeb | Creative drivers for win8 are catastrophically bad. |
| 12:45.06 | AcidWeb | I dont had any other drivers problems. |
| 12:45.16 | Kalroth | wait, why is win8 more secure? because it's still new and obscure? |
| 12:45.32 | Kalroth | i'll buy the performance part, it is afterall made for a tablet |
| 12:46.53 | AcidWeb | generally win8 is not bad. Runs faster than win7 but is dressed in this retarded metro. |
| 12:47.15 | nevcairiel | you can avoid using metro pretty easily if you must |
| 12:47.25 | AcidWeb | Sure. |
| 12:47.32 | nevcairiel | i stick to win7 because i had driver issues with the intel gpu |
| 12:48.00 | AcidWeb | I just think that forcing tablet UI on PC is simply retarded. |
| 12:49.35 | Kalroth | but apple does it and they're making money!! |
| 12:50.55 | AcidWeb | But apple have better brainwash departament ;p |
| 12:52.11 | nevcairiel | according to MS, Win8 sold better then Win7 |
| 12:52.17 | nevcairiel | so it has to work on some people |
| 12:52.49 | nevcairiel | i run Win8 on the laptop i'm currently working on, and i really do not see any disadvantages to 7 for me |
| 12:54.58 | Kalroth | well win8 is also priced very differently |
| 13:02.11 | A-KO | Personally, I think 8 is fine. Most people complaining read too many blogs that are trying to make money :P |
| 13:02.21 | A-KO | it's the 'in thing' to bitch about Win8, so write a blog article bitching about Win8, and profit. |
| 13:02.23 | A-KO | pretty simple |
| 13:02.54 | p3lim | zenzio: You don't need MSE in Win8, Defender has it built-in |
| 13:03.12 | p3lim | And is installed with the OS |
| 13:03.45 | p3lim | Windows 8 aint that bad, the only thing I don't like is the enforced metro part, which is easily removable |
| 13:03.59 | Kalroth | MSE got slammed in a recent AV test thou, I'd go with another antivirus until that is sorted |
| 13:04.02 | nebula169 | not sure why so many people complain, the metro menu is kind of neat and not any slower than drilling down menus if you're looking for something any not typing in the name for some reason, but can throw all other kinds of shit there |
| 13:04.14 | A-KO | yeah, I use metro for a few things on my pc |
| 13:04.15 | p3lim | Kalroth: Got a link for that test? |
| 13:04.24 | A-KO | Kalroth: I paid for a single license of Norton anyway ;) |
| 13:04.26 | A-KO | it's $20 |
| 13:04.31 | Kalroth | http://www.av-test.org/en/tests/test-reports/ |
| 13:04.33 | A-KO | Norton 2012 is nice |
| 13:04.45 | p3lim | If metro didn't auto-populate with everything and anything, I'd use it |
| 13:05.01 | A-KO | p3lim: it's anything that would have gone in the 'start menu' |
| 13:05.05 | Vlad| | new nameplates, wonder what is new :O |
| 13:05.09 | A-KO | so just uncheck that |
| 13:05.22 | Kalroth | MSE is rock bottom now, it used to be really good though |
| 13:05.24 | Kalroth | I use it at home |
| 13:05.40 | p3lim | It is just too oriented to touch, which I don't have and never plan on getting for my stationary |
| 13:06.07 | p3lim | I'm one of those who use the classic start menu, with hotkeys for each program in a list |
| 13:06.47 | A-KO | god really? |
| 13:06.48 | A-KO | lol |
| 13:06.53 | A-KO | I haven't used that shit since windows 2000 |
| 13:06.55 | nevcairiel | MSE was pretty good when it was initially released, but MS let it slide really |
| 13:07.00 | Kalroth | yup nev |
| 13:07.00 | A-KO | Once I discovered Quick Launch, it was over |
| 13:07.15 | nevcairiel | i use good old antivir with its umbrella icon now |
| 13:07.24 | A-KO | nevcairiel: I suspect it's because they're moving away from a focus of providing AV, which is interesting. But it's even noticeable in their Forefront products, where they're discontinuing them. |
| 13:07.24 | Kalroth | p3lim: i prefer the start menu too, but i combine it with quick launch/pinning |
| 13:07.29 | A-KO | so it's obvious they haven't cared for a while. |
| 13:08.09 | nevcairiel | they even advertised having the AV integrated into their new windows, you would think they would keep that thing working |
| 13:08.10 | p3lim | Yeah since Win7 I've combined it with pinning on the taskbar |
| 13:08.23 | Kalroth | i'll probably switch to kaspersky, they've been decent for a while |
| 13:08.41 | p3lim | Kaspersky usually is on the top of most tests |
| 13:08.44 | Kalroth | avira used to be top notch too, but they're slacking |
| 13:08.46 | A-KO | nevcairiel: well, it's *defender*, and not MSE; which to me says it's a different team entirely. That's probably why MSE slid, to focus on Defender. |
| 13:09.16 | p3lim | And yes, I don't see a test of Defender |
| 13:09.24 | nevcairiel | so by that theory, defender is pretty decent? :p |
| 13:09.37 | nevcairiel | the win8 version anyway |
| 13:09.37 | p3lim | MSE was scrapped |
| 13:09.38 | A-KO | it *could* be, but no tests on it. |
| 13:09.50 | A-KO | I picked up Norton anyway |
| 13:09.52 | A-KO | it works, works well, fast |
| 13:10.05 | Semlar | that doesn't sound like norton |
| 13:10.08 | p3lim | I remember using NOD32 up until MSE |
| 13:10.09 | A-KO | only thing it doesn't work with 8 so far is the Enhanced Protected Mode |
| 13:10.14 | A-KO | for IE |
| 13:10.17 | A-KO | yes, I use IE10.... |
| 13:10.33 | nevcairiel | IE10 isnt a bad browser |
| 13:10.37 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:10.55 | A-KO | enhanced protection mode is nice, it essentially sandboxes the IE process into a metro-like app container |
| 13:10.59 | Kalroth | yup IE 9/10 are decent browsers |
| 13:11.00 | nevcairiel | i dont particularly like the UI (the small things :P), but it caught up in a lot of other areas |
| 13:11.06 | p3lim | Google-integration in chrome is too valuable for me to swap to any other browser, and it works well too |
| 13:11.19 | p3lim | And also, IE10 is touch-oriented |
| 13:11.31 | A-KO | IE10 on desktop is not touch oriented....lol |
| 13:11.44 | p3lim | Only tried the one launched from metro :p |
| 13:11.45 | nevcairiel | there is two IE10 versions |
| 13:11.47 | nevcairiel | metro and normal |
| 13:11.55 | p3lim | Hm ok |
| 13:11.56 | A-KO | the only thing about IE10 I don't like is they've eschewed UI performance in favor of site performance. I'm a fast typer, ctrl + t + typing doesn't always do what I want it to do. |
| 13:12.13 | A-KO | Chrome handles that better |
| 13:12.13 | p3lim | Haven't updated to Win8 on my stationary yet, only on my laptop |
| 13:12.16 | nevcairiel | i use that a lot, ctrl+t for a new tab and start typing quickly |
| 13:12.26 | A-KO | yeah |
| 13:12.28 | A-KO | IE10 fails at it |
| 13:12.30 | p3lim | Same |
| 13:12.34 | A-KO | about the only thing that sucks with it, really. |
| 13:12.37 | A-KO | everything else is fast |
| 13:13.07 | wereHamster | IE is great if you want to use it as a text viewer, for static html 3.0 pages made before 1995. But if you want to use any of the newer HTML5 features.. noway. |
| 13:13.13 | p3lim | :p |
| 13:13.30 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: you clearly havent used IE9 or 10 |
| 13:13.31 | A-KO | IE10 works fine, only thing it doesn't do with HTML5 is WebGL.......and that's not even a standard afaik :P |
| 13:13.31 | A-KO | so |
| 13:13.44 | A-KO | no webgl and no vorbis support or something |
| 13:13.56 | p3lim | Which is required for some types of streaming |
| 13:14.05 | nevcairiel | there is no browser which supports all kinds of html5 audio/video really |
| 13:14.27 | p3lim | Sure, but Chrome and FF does a great job with what they have |
| 13:14.36 | nevcairiel | i think IE can work with it if you install a Vorbis codec yourself |
| 13:14.47 | p3lim | Should be native |
| 13:15.10 | A-KO | most stuff is W3C 'working draft' really |
| 13:15.17 | A-KO | so it's hard to score a browser for a standard that doesn't exist IMO |
| 13:15.19 | A-KO | where most people fail |
| 13:15.19 | nevcairiel | Like i said, none of the browsers mentioned above support all audio/video, so i could dig up which format IE supports and Firefox doesn't, if that makes you shut up :P |
| 13:15.50 | p3lim | If you enjoy using IE, go for it |
| 13:16.04 | p3lim | Not saying you shouldn't use it, atleast if you have the 9 or 10 |
| 13:16.22 | stuf | hmm http://caniuse.com/#search=video |
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| 13:17.27 | A-KO | the stupid thing about that website is 'royalty free' versus 'non royalty free'.......it's politicizing a stupid determination of support test. |
| 13:17.30 | A-KO | Save that shit for another site |
| 13:17.43 | A-KO | part of the stupid problem with this crap :P |
| 13:18.41 | nevcairiel | it at least mentions that you get vorbis support in IE if you install the codec =p |
| 13:18.58 | A-KO | welp, I'm off to work |
| 13:19.40 | alestane | snorgles the wild Peppy. It's pretty effective. |
| 13:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, baby. |
| 13:22.04 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:22.30 | Semlar | flops around helplessly |
| 13:22.40 | Lopeppeppy | Breakfast this early, Fisker? |
| 13:22.49 | Fisker | sure |
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| 13:42.12 | zenzio | hm, my Psyko Audio headset supposedly cleared customs yesterday... hoping it'll arrive today. Coworker has been going on about it for ages, I'd be rather disappointed if they weren't very good |
| 13:42.37 | zenzio | hate ordering electronic(ish) stuff from the US, pretty sure customs will demand payment |
| 13:47.03 | karl_w_w | where do you live? |
| 13:47.18 | Lopeppeppy | I had a box of cereal stuck in customs for 3 weeks while they tried to figure out what BooBerry was. |
| 13:48.15 | karl_w_w | because reading the ingredients is a challenge |
| 13:52.49 | zenzio | karl_w_w: Norway |
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| 14:02.50 | chiel | hmm shit |
| 14:02.58 | chiel | I need to find somewhere where I can test my boss frames >_> |
| 14:03.38 | Lopeppeppy | Battleground? |
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| 14:06.28 | chiel | hmm |
| 14:06.35 | chiel | are efcs etc boss frames, no arena frames? |
| 14:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure that was in English. Or I need more Diet Pepsi before reading it. |
| 14:15.21 | chiel | are efcs/orb carriers/etc in battlegrouns... boss frames, or arena frames? |
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| 14:28.50 | Vlad| | this is confusing, but nameplates on tagged mobs show warlock purple :P |
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| 14:28.57 | Vlad| | why not gray like before? |
| 14:30.25 | Lopeppeppy | I think that you'd have to have the named NPCs in battlegrounds, not the flag carrier PCs. |
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| 14:53.03 | Vlad| | my nameplate castbar is invisible... ehm :S |
| 14:53.47 | Vlad| | actually it is there but it is empty... :P |
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| 15:12.42 | Vlad| | castbar is there and all but doesn't fill up/deplete :S weird |
| 15:12.51 | Vlad| | using default one, only restyling it hehe |
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| 15:54.22 | karl_w_w | Is www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com down for everyone or just me? :D |
| 15:54.29 | karl_w_w | I have waited years to say that. |
| 15:55.02 | Torhal|work | Just you |
| 15:55.13 | karl_w_w | must have been the weather, even the site I was going to check has come back now :( |
| 16:04.44 | chiel | xhmm |
| 16:04.55 | chiel | does oUF:SpawnHeader() use :Spawn internally? |
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| 16:15.10 | TC-work | So i keep hearing advertisements for a concert for 'Sandy Relief.' Now, I know -what- they are trying to say, but that is not what i am hearing. |
| 16:16.09 | bluipodcow | You thinking something perverted ? |
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| 16:17.03 | chiel | hm |
| 16:17.08 | chiel | do boss frames spawn in heroics? |
| 16:17.14 | chiel | I never actually paid attention to it :p |
| 16:17.18 | TC-work | bluipodcow: correct |
| 16:17.33 | TC-work | bluipodcow: I am also saddened you needed to ask that. |
| 16:17.47 | nevcairiel | its like a permanent condition for TC |
| 16:18.02 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 16:18.04 | TC-work | Not just me, Unkle would have got it right away |
| 16:18.11 | nevcairiel | true |
| 16:18.58 | Lopeppeppy | Sandy relief sounds like an oxymoron. If you put sand in the lube, nobody's gonna be happy. |
| 16:19.36 | TC-work | Well you just went past my line |
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| 16:19.50 | TC-work | it had nothing to do with lube |
| 16:25.46 | F16Gaming | of course: http://i.imgur.com/ejv5l.png |
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| 16:27.15 | TC-work | Unkle: what do you think of when you hear 'Sandy Relief' |
| 16:27.17 | TC-work | ? |
| 16:27.36 | Unkle | That my friend Sandy has finally gotten a day off? |
| 16:27.50 | TC-work | Such a liar |
| 16:28.36 | Unkle | I'm assuming though that you're talking about relief efforts for NY/NJ/MA in the wake of the hurricane? |
| 16:28.42 | bluipodcow | Maybe she's had a stressful week? |
| 16:28.56 | TC-work | Maybe i was wrong nevcairiel |
| 16:28.57 | bluipodcow | That needs naked sexy tiems relief ? |
| 16:29.10 | Fisker | bluipodcow |
| 16:29.12 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 16:31.52 | bluipodcow | No u |
| 16:32.14 | bluipodcow | How to spell unicycle then ? |
| 16:32.22 | bluipodcow | With no u ? |
| 16:33.05 | chiel | argh, it's driving me crazy that I can't test my boss frames in a sane way :p |
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| 16:37.23 | chiel | hmm.. in lua, if I have a string "boss1" etc, how would I go about removing any numbers at the end of the string? with a regex I'd simply so 'boss1'.replace(/[0-9]+$/, '') |
| 16:37.32 | chiel | but lua does not have regex :p |
| 16:38.27 | karl_w_w | yes it does, almost :P |
| 16:38.37 | Shirik | lua> ("boss1"):match("[^0-9]+") |
| 16:38.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: boss |
| 16:39.05 | Shirik | lua> ("boss1"):match("[^0-9]+$") -- is more accurate |
| 16:39.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 16:39.07 | Shirik | oops |
| 16:39.13 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 16:39.15 | TC-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.33 | karl_w_w | interesting |
| 16:39.37 | Shirik | lua> ("boss1"):match("([^0-9]+)[0-9]*$") -- is more accurate |
| 16:39.38 | lua_bot | Shirik: boss |
| 16:40.36 | Shirik | also |
| 16:40.38 | Shirik | thwacks karl_w_w |
| 16:40.42 | Shirik | Lua does not have regexes |
| 16:41.49 | chiel | ah |
| 16:41.50 | chiel | cool |
| 16:41.53 | chiel | thanks |
| 16:41.55 | Shirik | chiel: Go look up string.match, string.find, string.gsub, string.gmatch |
| 16:42.23 | Shirik | alternatively http://lua-users.org/wiki/PatternsTutorial |
| 16:42.29 | alestane | lua> ("boss1"):match("(%D+)%d*$") |
| 16:42.30 | lua_bot | alestane: boss |
| 16:42.31 | chiel | yeah, i looked up gsub, but it didn't say *that* much about the matching patterns, perhaps I am going blind :) |
| 16:42.33 | chiel | thanks |
| 16:42.49 | alestane | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 16:43.05 | chiel | lua> ("boss1"):gsub("%d*$", "") |
| 16:43.05 | lua_bot | chiel: boss, 2 |
| 16:43.19 | chiel | hm, weird |
| 16:43.37 | alestane | lua> ("boss1"):gsub("%d+$", "") |
| 16:43.37 | lua_bot | alestane: boss, 1 |
| 16:44.06 | chiel | local name = "boss1":gsub('%d*$', '') print(name) |
| 16:44.18 | chiel | lua> local name = "boss1":gsub('%d*$', '') print(name) |
| 16:44.18 | lua_bot | chiel: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ':' |
| 16:44.25 | chiel | lua> local name = ("boss1"):gsub('%d*$', '') print(name) |
| 16:44.26 | lua_bot | chiel: boss |
| 16:44.29 | chiel | aha |
| 16:46.47 | alestane | gsub has two returns; the resulting string, and the number of substitutions made. |
| 16:47.54 | chiel | ah, makes sense |
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| 16:53.04 | Arrowmaster | ive not bought a laptop in a long time, anybody want to give some input on how this one looks http://tinyurl.com/cox7sqs |
| 16:53.05 | Portia | Quick question. Is there a way to get an autobar like spell grouping onto the actual action bar? |
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| 16:53.38 | TC-work | Arrowmaster: depends what you want it for |
| 16:54.12 | Arrowmaster | to put linux on it and use for light usage |
| 16:54.15 | Portia | Arrowmaster: having bought a bunch of laptops over the years, go ahead and try typing on it and using it for awhile. |
| 16:54.16 | aksr | often in BG, the icons of a players (in my group) aren't shown, is there a way to fix this, or this is intended? |
| 16:54.48 | Arrowmaster | Portia: im on a borrowed inspiron 6400 right now with the tiny keyboard, i got used to it |
| 16:55.08 | Portia | For me, I hate it when they invert the CTRL and FN keys. |
| 16:55.30 | Portia | Tiny isn't always a problem... it's often bad layouts. |
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| 16:56.12 | TC-work | No review that i can find so i do not know what the battery life is |
| 16:56.18 | TC-work | but it is 5.5 pounds |
| 16:56.23 | TC-work | not really light |
| 16:56.43 | nevcairiel | Fn should never be on the outside, should share a spot with the meta/win key between ctrl and alt :p |
| 16:56.50 | TC-work | also only has 1366x768 res on a 15in. screen |
| 16:57.16 | TC-work | which is less than pleasant |
| 16:57.18 | Portia | For some reason Lenovo/IBM love the FN on the outseide. |
| 16:59.02 | Portia | So no one knows if you can create spellgroups ala autobar or the teleport, portal, poison, or pets spell groups for custom groups on the actual action bar? |
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| 17:12.04 | Vlad| | does the normal cast bar on nameplates work? |
| 17:12.17 | Vlad| | and is the normal color for tagged mobs still gray? |
| 17:12.32 | Portia | The normal color is still gray |
| 17:12.48 | Portia | Not sure about the first part. |
| 17:13.23 | Vlad| | on my nameplate addon (wrote it myself), after updating the new regionals and such, the color is purple lol, not sure why, it still is when I disable any "setcolor" api calls :P |
| 17:13.28 | Vlad| | weird stuff, oh well |
| 17:14.01 | Portia | Not sure. Just getting into this stuff myself. |
| 17:14.16 | Portia | I was hoping there would be more people actively on here. |
| 17:14.20 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 17:14.21 | Portia | This is my first visit. |
| 17:14.24 | Vlad| | sorry Portia |
| 17:14.28 | chiel | it's purple for my normal nameplates as well |
| 17:14.29 | Vlad| | not always active :D |
| 17:14.39 | Portia | When are good times usually? |
| 17:14.45 | Vlad| | random |
| 17:14.48 | Portia | Alright. |
| 17:14.52 | Vlad| | usually a lot of activity during the night |
| 17:14.58 | Vlad| | but I live in Oslo |
| 17:15.07 | Portia | I play at night so... |
| 17:15.14 | Vlad| | weekends is usually worst times ;D |
| 17:15.35 | Portia | Really I'm a developer who really wanted some add-on functionality and couldn't find it so I decided to scratch my own itch. |
| 17:16.31 | Portia | I'm new to LUA as well so I figured this would be a good way to get into a new language. |
| 17:17.11 | Portia | I wanted a way to group spells and place them on the action bar, but the action bar seems pretty locked down in terms of what you can put on it. |
| 17:17.40 | haste | depends on how you want to group and place |
| 17:18.07 | Portia | Programmatic grouping. |
| 17:18.09 | haste | but most things can be implemented through the secure system |
| 17:18.18 | Portia | Placed on the action bar using the action bar's normal mechanics. |
| 17:18.36 | haste | in combat or ? |
| 17:18.42 | Portia | What is the secure system? And do add-on authors have access to it? |
| 17:18.45 | Portia | Not in combat. |
| 17:18.48 | Portia | By definition. |
| 17:19.03 | haste | ~framexml |
| 17:19.03 | purl | hmm... framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 17:19.09 | haste | FrameXML/Secure* :) |
| 17:19.31 | haste | you can re-arrange the action bar and such outside of combat without any issue |
| 17:19.46 | Portia | But can I put a custom spell grouping on it? |
| 17:20.03 | Portia | Spell groups being things like portal, teleport, poison, summon pet, traps... |
| 17:20.20 | Portia | I want to create my own spell group and dump it on the action bar. |
| 17:20.32 | haste | you can, but you have to replace the stock button with a secure one from your add-ons then most likely |
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| 17:21.11 | Portia | That sounds like it's relatively likely to interfere with other add-ons. |
| 17:21.25 | Portia | But replacing the button itself might work. |
| 17:21.33 | haste | only those that replace the action bar :) |
| 17:21.48 | Portia | I was trying for an integrated, but unobtrusive approach. |
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| 17:23.49 | Portia | Oh I posted this in the forums, but I'll likely have more luck here. I'm looking for good examples of LUA code to emulate. |
| 17:24.08 | Vlad| | oh boy :( |
| 17:24.18 | Portia | I'd rather not be the person who says "anyone can program language X in LUA". |
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| 17:24.55 | Vlad| | I suck at secure handler things |
| 17:26.21 | karl_w_w | handles Vlad| securely |
| 17:26.41 | Vlad| | thanks karl |
| 17:27.05 | Vlad| | involuntary transofmration on nefarian |
| 17:27.12 | Vlad| | the debuff makes me go into a fake catform |
| 17:27.19 | Vlad| | but removes my actionbars (sets it to default) :P |
| 17:27.27 | Vlad| | any ideas? lol |
| 17:27.56 | Vlad| | been like this for so long, any piece of lua code I can run to help fix it properly? can it even be countered? I suspect this happens because the debuff cat form is not a proper shapeshift |
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| 17:28.57 | Portia | So too new to help you on that. |
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| 17:29.17 | Vlad| | that is more directed to the other coders, that have dealt with actionbars before :P |
| 17:29.22 | karl_w_w | i dont even know what you're talking about Vlad| :P |
| 17:29.32 | karl_w_w | nefarian turns people into cats? |
| 17:29.33 | Vlad| | nefarians druid call forces all druids into cats |
| 17:29.51 | Vlad| | for kitty pew pew action, sadly I often end up in cat without my cat form bar :P |
| 17:29.54 | karl_w_w | which nefarian are we talking here |
| 17:30.01 | Portia | So when you're looking to change an existing UI element slightly like the character sheet, pet journal, or currency page, do you replace the whole thing or do deltas or what? |
| 17:30.11 | Vlad| | blackwing lair |
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| 17:30.33 | Vlad| | Portia: if you change a little it may be okay |
| 17:30.40 | Vlad| | but if you change enough to taint it, it will break :P |
| 17:30.48 | karl_w_w | just melee him to death, problem solved? :P |
| 17:30.49 | Vlad| | if it has to perform specific tasks that is |
| 17:30.53 | Portia | Also what editors support LUA or specifically LUA with WoW's libraries? |
| 17:31.15 | Vlad| | lua is plain text so you can use any editor that, I myself use notepad++ |
| 17:31.16 | Portia | Notepad++ I imgine. |
| 17:31.27 | Vlad| | with some custom package for wow api |
| 17:31.37 | Vlad| | when on topic |
| 17:31.43 | Vlad| | are there any smart IDEs? |
| 17:31.51 | Portia | I was hoping for syntax highlighting, autocomplete (if possible) and systax error highlighting. |
| 17:32.16 | Vlad| | like Netbeans supports a lot of funky features, if I write "local f = CreateFrame("Frame")" it would know that my variable f is a frame widget, so when I use f: it would suggest widget API valid for said object. |
| 17:32.21 | Portia | I'm coming from Visual Studio so I'm probably going to be missing a bunch. |
| 17:32.23 | Vlad| | does anything like this exist for lua? :P |
| 17:32.28 | Vlad| | VS has the same features |
| 17:32.38 | Vlad| | smart auto completion, I miss that for lua |
| 17:33.17 | Vlad| | if I had 'local t={test=function()end}' and used 't:' it would suggest 'test()' in my autocompletion and such - I so want that :) |
| 17:33.22 | stuf | wasn't there the wow addon studio that was built around VS btw |
| 17:33.38 | Vlad| | that was for framexml |
| 17:33.48 | Vlad| | making xml frames, but it's very old now, not sure if updated |
| 17:33.51 | Vlad| | and it was mainly for xml yes |
| 17:34.00 | stuf | ah yeah |
| 17:34.06 | foxlit | someone is still working on that |
| 17:34.47 | Vlad| | lua seems so popular |
| 17:34.52 | Vlad| | so weird there are no proper IDEs for it |
| 17:35.21 | Portia | There are a lot of popular languages with bad IDE support. |
| 17:35.23 | TC-work | 'proper' is subjective |
| 17:35.27 | foxlit | It's bold to assert that there aren't any. |
| 17:35.41 | Vlad| | do shed light on the situation if you know something I don't :P |
| 17:35.44 | Portia | The primary reason I stuck with VS and Microsoft for so long is their tools are great. |
| 17:35.59 | Portia | (for me, great is subjective) |
| 17:36.00 | Vlad| | 'great' is subjective (feat. TC :P) |
| 17:36.34 | Vlad| | I guess the smarter the editor the more closer to 'great' the editor is :P |
| 17:36.34 | foxlit | ^ "some of". |
| 17:36.50 | Vlad| | plain notepad bundled with XP is the bare minimum :P |
| 17:36.59 | Portia | "some of" == "tools I use" |
| 17:37.18 | Portia | There's lots of bad UI in the Microsoft world, but I don't have to use it. |
| 17:38.04 | Adys | when the fuck did tyrande become a warmonger |
| 17:38.25 | foxlit | Adys: when wasn't she? |
| 17:39.13 | foxlit | Portia: https://bitbucket.org/sylvanaar2/lua-for-idea/wiki/Home |
| 17:40.00 | Portia | Nice. Thank you |
| 17:40.04 | Vlad| | here is a tricky one, is there a IDE that supports you defining the language structure and types? |
| 17:40.05 | Vlad| | :D |
| 17:40.15 | Vlad| | i.e. so you can build your own language and have it support it |
| 17:40.21 | Portia | No |
| 17:40.25 | Vlad| | without having to compile stuffs :P |
| 17:40.26 | Portia | Well not easily. |
| 17:40.35 | Vlad| | that's what I found out too |
| 17:40.45 | Vlad| | would be nice with a IDE that is flexible :3 |
| 17:41.02 | Portia | Most big IDEs support language plug-ins to use their features, but you have to write the code to analyze you langauge. |
| 17:41.21 | Portia | They are flexible, but the problem is a hard one and has to currently be solved by a person. |
| 17:41.34 | karl_w_w | geany does Vlad| :P |
| 17:42.12 | Portia | self:SetFrameLevel(self:GetFrameLevel()+7); |
| 17:42.17 | Portia | What is the +7 for? |
| 17:42.43 | Portia | Seems arbitrary. |
| 17:42.55 | Stanzilla | it raises the current frame level by 7 |
| 17:42.55 | Portia | Is this a z-index kind of thing? |
| 17:42.58 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 17:43.17 | Portia | Is that the maximum or something? |
| 17:43.18 | Vlad| | you increase by 7 from the current level |
| 17:43.21 | Vlad| | nah |
| 17:43.28 | Vlad| | not sure but max is like 255 or? |
| 17:43.34 | Portia | So why 7? Why not 4 or 12? |
| 17:43.43 | foxlit | because 7 worked. |
| 17:43.44 | karl_w_w | 7 is the lucky number! |
| 17:43.51 | Vlad| | each strata has its own levels |
| 17:43.56 | foxlit | see also: why do we call blue blue? |
| 17:43.58 | Vlad| | so keep that in mind, you also got a strata api |
| 17:44.29 | pompy | Cairenn|afk: http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/396587_663497924679_1308992237_n.jpg friends cat |
| 17:44.30 | karl_w_w | it's really because foxlit has 7 children and he's very sentimental |
| 17:45.01 | karl_w_w | do you have permission to cook your friend's cat? |
| 17:45.08 | TC-work | foxlit: because red was taken |
| 17:45.09 | Portia | Foxlit do you work for Blizzard? |
| 17:45.21 | Vlad| | foxlit works for north korea |
| 17:45.33 | Cairenn|afk | pompy: lol |
| 17:45.45 | karl_w_w | we all work for blizzard, they just don't pay us :P |
| 17:45.59 | Cairenn|afk | kitteh chow mien, anyone? |
| 17:46.48 | Portia | Is the hope, for many LUA developers, to be noticed and get a gig at Blizzard? |
| 17:47.08 | karl_w_w | I doubt it |
| 17:47.15 | karl_w_w | has that ever even happened? |
| 17:47.18 | Vlad| | sadly no |
| 17:47.18 | TC-work | yes |
| 17:47.24 | Cairenn|afk | yes |
| 17:47.49 | karl_w_w | ps. it's Lua |
| 17:47.58 | Vlad| | seen nevcairiel and others names in some lua code somewhat related to blizzards lua, can't remember where :p |
| 17:48.10 | Cairenn|afk | I can name at least 3 addon authors that got hired by Blizz, 1 that went to Trion, 1 that went to ... |
| 17:48.14 | foxlit | http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/careers/posting.html?id=10000BG |
| 17:48.30 | pompy | ~lua |
| 17:48.30 | purl | Lua is a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. Note: Lua is not an acronym. It is the Portuguese word for "moon". |
| 17:48.36 | TC-work | brain fart Cairenn|afk? |
| 17:48.50 | Cairenn|afk | no, indication that my list continues beyond that point |
| 17:48.53 | TC-work | ah |
| 17:48.57 | karl_w_w | maybe it's some game/project she hates |
| 17:49.16 | karl_w_w | and can't bare to type it out |
| 17:49.26 | Vlad| | so yeah, 3 people over the course of 8 years, not exactly something to hope for :P |
| 17:49.27 | mikma | cairenn|afk: and then there's me, a guy that gets to explode stuff up |
| 17:49.29 | Portia | Message understood. |
| 17:49.49 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 17:50.10 | mikma | boom, boom boom, shake the room |
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| 17:50.45 | Portia | How do you make it so that add-ons that modify the same screen don't break each other? |
| 17:50.51 | TC-work | I don't need explosions for that mikma |
| 17:51.20 | Vlad| | listening to captain dan and the scurvy crew atm :P |
| 17:52.13 | Portia | I'm looking to do something with the Mount Journal and don't want to break all the other pet journal add-ons out there. |
| 17:52.19 | Portia | Suggestions? |
| 17:52.22 | mikma | tc-work: that's cause the room ain't shakin' when you're around |
| 17:52.48 | Vlad| | mount and pet are different things |
| 17:52.57 | Vlad| | same addon but different functions :) |
| 17:53.00 | karl_w_w | depends what you want to do Portia |
| 17:53.02 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 17:53.40 | Portia | I don't want to touch the pet portion at all at the moment, but PetJournalEnhanced and PetTeams are something I'd like to be compatible with. |
| 17:54.01 | Portia | Right now I'll need to track some mount specific data and change some UI on the mounts side (mostly additive). |
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| 17:55.02 | Vlad| | what about BattlePetTabsw, Portia? :< |
| 17:55.10 | Portia | What about it? |
| 17:55.15 | Vlad| | :P |
| 17:55.18 | Vlad| | just teasing you |
| 17:55.24 | Vlad| | fun you know of it xD |
| 17:55.25 | karl_w_w | chances are you'll just want to hook the frame's tabclicked function |
| 17:55.38 | karl_w_w | and change things if the tab clicked is the mount tab |
| 17:55.40 | Vlad| | additive is no problemo ;) |
| 17:55.51 | Vlad| | play a bit with it :3 |
| 17:56.46 | Vlad| | another eye of sulfuras dropped :P |
| 17:57.13 | Portia | So basically hook stuff up. Will I be changing layout primarily through XML files or direct calls? Let's say I wanted to add a glyph next to each mount... |
| 17:57.27 | foxlit | hey, bezier curves? |
| 17:57.46 | Vlad| | ( haters gonna hate http://i.imgur.com/SkCnn.jpg ) |
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| 17:59.26 | karl_w_w | that screenshot would be enough to drive some people to violence |
| 17:59.34 | Vlad| | I know :P |
| 17:59.52 | karl_w_w | I mean just look at that image quality! |
| 17:59.55 | Vlad| | lol |
| 18:00.00 | Portia | Yeah |
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| 18:00.05 | Vlad| | it's a quick screencap and upload plugin for pidgin ;D |
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| 18:01.10 | karl_w_w | i still have wow set to take tga screenshots and i convert them to png :P |
| 18:01.41 | Portia | I'm watching an installation video and the guy is rambling. |
| 18:01.52 | Portia | It's aggrivating. |
| 18:03.21 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://youtu.be/QhXoYcwsEVI |
| 18:04.06 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 18:04.20 | karl_w_w | Vlad|: http://i47.tinypic.com/nydab5.jpg one of my favourite screenshots |
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| 18:04.56 | karl_w_w | and it's ruined because back then I had wow taking jpgs! |
| 18:05.06 | Vlad| | karl that looks like ragnaros :) |
| 18:05.30 | karl_w_w | It's actually a stormwind rat |
| 18:05.58 | Portia | I still have to push my brain to the curb whenever I see disproportionate sizes. Because otherwise getting hit would send you flying across the room. |
| 18:06.21 | karl_w_w | it's really one of the things i find to do while i wait for the slow buggers to run back |
| 18:06.29 | Portia | It's not lil'Ragnaros with 15 stacks of pet enlarger? |
| 18:06.37 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 18:06.41 | Vlad| | how do you justify making a handsfree vibrator video and uploading it on youtube? |
| 18:06.53 | Portia | How do you not? |
| 18:07.30 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 18:09.27 | Lopeppeppy | Because Redtube is for pornz. |
| 18:10.00 | Portia | It's not porn. It's more maker fair stuff. |
| 18:10.18 | Lopeppeppy | I was assuming it was a video of someone USING it. |
| 18:10.36 | karl_w_w | it is, but it is only being used on a plate :P |
| 18:11.14 | Portia | That's not how you normally use them? :P |
| 18:11.21 | TC-work | isn't that just a symbian anyway? |
| 18:11.27 | TC-work | or however it is called |
| 18:11.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... nope. |
| 18:11.37 | TC-work | s/called/spelled/ |
| 18:11.49 | Vlad| | isn't symbian that nokia OS or something? |
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| 18:12.17 | TC-work | oh, sybian |
| 18:13.08 | Portia | What a fun statement to come in on. |
| 18:13.12 | Jamash | ditto |
| 18:13.23 | Jamash | heh, "come in on" |
| 18:13.29 | Portia | I've been here. I was referring to you Jamash |
| 18:13.42 | Jamash | can I borrow some of your thoughts, mine are all dirty |
| 18:13.42 | Portia | Come on in, the sybian's fine? |
| 18:14.11 | TC-work | that's where they should be Jamash |
| 18:14.46 | Jamash | is dirty a place? |
| 18:15.57 | TC-work | yes |
| 18:16.19 | Vlad| | dirty place? Fisker, haven't you showered this week? :/ |
| 18:16.22 | Jamash | I'm trying out irssi |
| 18:17.29 | Unkle_ | On second thought, let us not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place. |
| 18:18.11 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 18:19.35 | Lopeppeppy | But first the spankings! |
| 18:19.42 | Cairenn|afk | rawr |
| 18:21.11 | Jamash | I want it to assign a color to each person who's talking's nick, preferably avoiding overlap |
| 18:22.03 | Unkle_ | Cairenn|afk, Lopeppeppy It's too perilous. :) |
| 18:22.16 | Cairenn|afk | *snicker* You have no idea |
| 18:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | Very very perilous. |
| 18:23.51 | Portia | No idea Jamash. |
| 18:24.16 | Portia | Recycling the colors would be difficult too. |
| 18:24.26 | Rythal|work | >< what the heck conversation did I miss |
| 18:24.42 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, Cairenn, and Peppy - what do you THINK you missed? |
| 18:24.55 | Portia | Having them been separate enough to be distinctive, but then you would want to reuse the limited palette, but what if someone came back... they would end up the same color. |
| 18:25.00 | pompy | http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/11/28/uk-science-spaceplane-idUKBRE8AR0R520121128 |
| 18:26.41 | Torhal|work | Did someone mention oral sex? |
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| 18:27.09 | Rythal|work | no.. just spankings, which set off my alert to come read chat |
| 18:27.24 | Portia | Do you have an actual alert? Something that looks for keywords? |
| 18:27.40 | Lopeppeppy | I'm very sure he does. *laugh* |
| 18:27.43 | Rythal|work | no :/ tho it would be funny if I did |
| 18:27.54 | Torhal|work | Rythal|work: I was carrying on with the rest of that skit. |
| 18:29.02 | Rythal|work | you should all be burned as witches ... quoting such an evil movie |
| 18:29.20 | Unkle_ | I don't weigh as much as a duck. |
| 18:29.32 | Rythal|work | your safe then |
| 18:30.39 | Semlar | from drowning maybe |
| 18:30.56 | Portia | We're clearing talking to someone very small; or from a planet with very large ducks. |
| 18:30.56 | Jamash | pompy: are they launching a kickstarter? |
| 18:31.13 | Unkle_ | Trying to decide if I want to increase my backing on this project: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/481433198/the-superfogeys-adventure-game-by-team-frog-studio . It only has a few hours to go, and I'd like to get the 5K stretch goal item. ... |
| 18:31.15 | pompy | idk |
| 18:31.19 | Portia | For $400M? Probably not |
| 18:31.33 | TC-work | Unkle_: i saw that and now i have been reading it for the past two days |
| 18:32.12 | Unkle_ | TC-work the comic is good. And I've known and worked with the game designer since the 90s. |
| 18:32.20 | Portia | Oh does WoW support any kind of debugging or logging to file? |
| 18:32.35 | Unkle_ | Portia Comabt and chat logging only |
| 18:32.53 | Portia | No way to get swatter to dump to a file? |
| 18:33.19 | Unkle_ | there are some AddOns you can use to help with debugging and you can copy/paste - but I/O is sandboxed. |
| 18:33.31 | Vlad| | when blizzard said they'd make old raids soloable, they forgot to fix razorgore (he dies too easy when the adds hit him) and viscidus in AQ40, can't kill him as a druid :P |
| 18:33.32 | Portia | Well that's going to be aggrivating. |
| 18:34.03 | Rythal|work | Druids shouldn't be soloing anyways |
| 18:34.18 | Rythal|work | hunters... monks... DK's... anyone else can sit in the corner |
| 18:34.31 | Unkle_ | They didn't say they were making the fights all soloable. They said they were removing the requirement to be in a group to enter them. |
| 18:34.45 | nevcairiel | they also changed some mechanics |
| 18:34.46 | Vlad| | the changelog made it sound like they'd make it more soloable :P |
| 18:34.47 | Rythal|work | Unkle_: they said they retuned fights to be soloable aswell |
| 18:34.48 | Vlad| | they did |
| 18:34.59 | Vlad| | razorgore MC has only max 1 sec pushback |
| 18:35.06 | nevcairiel | but they didnt say by everyone and their mother :P |
| 18:35.07 | Portia | They didn't change the boss's DPS or healing |
| 18:35.07 | Unkle_ | I wonder how Twin Emperors works... |
| 18:35.07 | Jamash | Portia: what I do is save a log to my savedvariables |
| 18:35.07 | Vlad| | meaning you don't loose more than 1 sec when being hit |
| 18:35.35 | nevcairiel | i should finish leveling my monk |
| 18:35.42 | nevcairiel | i bet its good for soloing stuff |
| 18:35.43 | Vlad| | I did twins some weeks ago, solo :p |
| 18:35.46 | Jamash | yeah my sister hauled my hunter in to AQ40 for viscidus and twemps last night |
| 18:35.47 | Vlad| | outdpsed their heal :# |
| 18:35.54 | Rythal|work | monks are second best soloers |
| 18:35.58 | Vlad| | I will tell you how it is after Huhuran |
| 18:36.03 | Rythal|work | not that I know, since I never got past level 1 on mine >< |
| 18:36.04 | Jamash | I got the anubis pet :D |
| 18:36.25 | Jamash | can you xrealm raid old content? |
| 18:36.26 | nevcairiel | i'm like level 65, then i kinda quit playing for reasons that i dont remember |
| 18:36.34 | Rythal|work | Jamash: yes |
| 18:36.47 | Jamash | aight |
| 18:36.51 | Jamash | we need xrealm guilds now |
| 18:37.01 | Vlad| | we need cross continents parties too |
| 18:37.06 | Vlad| | I can't play with any of you basicall :p |
| 18:37.08 | Vlad| | basically* |
| 18:37.09 | Jamash | yeah :( |
| 18:37.49 | Rythal|work | eww.. it was bad enough getting WrA people on my server... I don't want EU too :P |
| 18:38.36 | Vlad| | eu rocks |
| 18:38.42 | Rythal|work | but it's ok... EU doesn't want me either |
| 18:39.17 | Jamash | WrA? |
| 18:39.35 | Portia | We need cross-faction guilds too. |
| 18:39.43 | Unkle_ | No, no, no. It's "Cleveland rocks!" |
| 18:39.49 | Portia | Oh |
| 18:40.24 | Unkle_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtY2RC9mTbE |
| 18:40.37 | Jamash | I'm guessing spinal tap |
| 18:40.53 | Jamash | nope |
| 18:41.35 | Rythal|work | Spinal Tap? second best band in the world? |
| 18:43.08 | Vlad| | they forgot to reduce their heal :P |
| 18:43.25 | Vlad| | gotta outdps 10k hps |
| 18:43.32 | Vlad| | only annoyance is the knockbacks they do |
| 18:43.44 | Vlad| | and possible parry if you lack exp/hit as melee |
| 18:43.58 | Jamash | does ARL work right now? |
| 18:44.15 | Vlad| | arl? |
| 18:44.17 | Vlad| | karl works |
| 18:44.37 | Rythal|work | karl? |
| 18:44.45 | Rythal|work | he got fired |
| 18:44.52 | Vlad| | why? |
| 18:45.01 | Jamash | ackis recipe list |
| 18:45.01 | Rythal|work | downsizing |
| 18:45.05 | Jamash | aw |
| 18:45.07 | Portia | Not sure. |
| 18:45.28 | Portia | I'd love a most aesthetically pleasing version of ARL |
| 18:46.27 | Rythal|work | ARL? well.. that one wasn't in the 39428 errors that popped up when I logged on last night... so i'm guessing it works, tho I never tried searching any recipies |
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| 18:48.33 | Jamash | why doesn't curse client let me "favorite" addons? |
| 18:49.17 | Portia | Because they hate you and your whole family. |
| 18:49.26 | Portia | It's a personal thing... the rest of us can favorite add-ons :P |
| 18:49.35 | Rythal|work | some day i'm gunna try out the autodownloaders... but I hear so many horror stories about all 3 |
| 18:49.46 | Jamash | naw curse client is awesome |
| 18:49.59 | Jamash | wait, three? there's another besides minion and curse client? |
| 18:50.18 | Rythal|work | except when a malware ad gets through, and the memory leaks that cause it to use 2gb of memory after a few days of being open |
| 18:50.31 | Cairenn|afk | spark, and wowmatrix |
| 18:50.37 | Jamash | SPEAK NOT THAT NAME |
| 18:50.51 | Rythal|work | never heard of spark... and yeah wasn't going to name the third |
| 18:50.57 | Cairenn|afk | at least, I think it's called spark - the one from TTH |
| 18:51.05 | Jamash | I was trying to make a joke like I don't acknowledge that WM exists |
| 18:51.15 | Cairenn|afk | remember, they pulled a WM |
| 18:51.27 | Jamash | oh yeah |
| 18:51.39 | Jamash | I think that was happening right before my computer melted again |
| 18:52.00 | Rythal|work | I dunno what WM does different... I don't even know what they do or who they are farming for the addons... but probably 75% of my donations come from them >< |
| 18:52.34 | Portia | I forgot add-on writers can get dontations. |
| 18:52.39 | Jamash | you get donations? |
| 18:52.43 | Jamash | I've gotten $10... ever |
| 18:52.57 | Jamash | while I've probably gotten about $200 out of curse over the years |
| 18:53.13 | Rythal|work | enough that i'm starting to worry paypal will close my account because i'm not a registered charitable organization... but I accept donations |
| 18:53.43 | Vlad| | cthun still instant kills you when you get eaten |
| 18:53.57 | Vlad| | I think the patch log writer kind of exaggerated the "solo" part :P |
| 18:54.07 | Vlad| | or no one really tested the encounters to check if they are really now soloable ;D |
| 18:54.17 | Jamash | target dummies are your friend I hear |
| 18:54.39 | Portia | They're not solo-able. They just don't _require_ two people. |
| 18:55.22 | Vlad| | it's a scripting issue tough, you die in stomach because cthun has no enemies up above :P |
| 18:55.35 | Vlad| | it's to avoid you cheating and being inside and ready to kill the tentacles as soon as p2 starts :P |
| 18:55.50 | Vlad| | (i.e. die with SS and use it after the raid above starts a new encounter) |
| 18:55.51 | Jamash | I hear if you pull ouro to c'thun he yanks you out of the stomach |
| 18:56.15 | Vlad| | ouro reset as soon I got to cthuns room |
| 18:56.16 | Vlad| | :P |
| 18:56.19 | Jamash | haw |
| 18:56.29 | Vlad| | he lost his teleport spell it seems |
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| 18:57.44 | End_ | a few fights are a lot better for soloing |
| 18:57.47 | End_ | but AQ ...yeah... |
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| 18:58.51 | Vlad| | they should tweak more on razorgore (too low hp so he dies too easy, sucks to be soloing it with a class that can't heal him with a HoT as you end your MC) - vael can kill you with debuff but that's fine, you get time to kill him at least - vicidus requires frost spells, lots of them - cthun requires tweaks so he doesn't instant gib you in the stomach when you are alone :D |
| 18:59.04 | Vlad| | twins also needs a heal reduction or something, just half or something :P |
| 18:59.09 | Vlad| | actually twins is doable |
| 18:59.10 | Vlad| | nvm that |
| 18:59.27 | Krapsy | hott |
| 19:00.49 | End_ | I didn't have too much trouble on razorgore, but luckily all the enemies went after me |
| 19:00.53 | Unkle_ | "Twins, Basil. TWINS!" |
| 19:01.21 | Vlad| | End_ paladin tank with threat aura on? |
| 19:01.24 | End_ | no |
| 19:01.25 | End_ | warlock |
| 19:01.29 | Vlad| | don't know, my spawns wanted to go for my pet :P |
| 19:01.47 | End_ | I did summon my infernal though, but he was only up for half the fight |
| 19:01.56 | Vlad| | maybe make the orb usage pulse with threat so you aggro more than razorgore |
| 19:01.57 | End_ | and they still went after me when my infernal wasn't around me |
| 19:03.13 | End_ | I should amend that though, I did wipe on the first try, but I always used razor's aoe attack because I was being dumb |
| 19:03.17 | End_ | er |
| 19:03.24 | End_ | s/always // |
| 19:04.29 | Rythal|work | wonder if I can solo stockades now |
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| 19:05.26 | Rythal|work | Droid! kill it! |
| 19:05.48 | AckisDroid | This is not the droid you're looking for |
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| 19:07.58 | Rythal|work | I shouldn't be on IRC... but when you know you've got no job in 3 weeks... you kinda don't care anymore, what's he gunna do fire me >< |
| 19:08.25 | Portia | I quit one job and then they fired me. |
| 19:08.33 | Portia | And escorted me out of the building. |
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| 19:08.44 | Portia | It was not a well-run company. |
| 19:09.44 | Rythal|work | ... that actually sounds kinda fun, I wanna be escorted around by security |
| 19:10.34 | Portia | It was like 100 feet. It wasn't far. |
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| 19:11.03 | Portia | I've been told not to come back over the phone by my contracting agency once. |
| 19:11.18 | Portia | Alright, need lunch. Be back. |
| 19:11.21 | Vlad| | lol |
| 19:11.22 | Vlad| | :D |
| 19:11.34 | Rythal|work | waiting another week then i'm gunna copy the stores databases & source code to my own server... I wrote the software so I should get to keep it |
| 19:12.45 | nilyaK | that's sadly not how it works =/ |
| 19:14.48 | Rythal|work | it is when I wrote it not under contract to them... they were using access and I hate anything microsoft... so I rewrote everything they had in php/ajax, then converted the mdb to mysql and said hey look use this instead... so it does belong to me |
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| 19:15.19 | nilyaK | that is probably the case then. |
| 19:15.51 | nilyaK | you'd think they wouldn't want to get rid of you |
| 19:15.58 | Rythal|work | the company is closing. |
| 19:16.14 | nilyaK | ah |
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| 19:18.00 | Rythal|work | eww telus... even more reason to kill the droid |
| 19:18.53 | AckisDroid | :P |
| 19:19.21 | AckisDroid | Better than rogers and bell |
| 19:19.34 | Rythal|work | *hangs head in shame that i'm with bhell* |
| 19:21.45 | Cairenn|afk | I'm with rogers, so |
| 19:21.48 | Rythal|work | Only company I know that rips people off more then the government... What? 6 months left on your contract? how about a nice shiny new S3 for $500 (phone + service transfer + early termination fee + new 3 year contract) ... ignore the fact you can buy one brand new for $600 no contract |
| 19:21.57 | haste | chiel: no, :SpawnHeaders() doesn't use :Spawn() |
| 19:34.08 | Vlad| | can the nice phone feed my family and pay my bills? |
| 19:34.24 | Vlad| | nvm :p lol |
| 19:34.45 | Unkle_ | Your family needs to eat? What? |
| 19:35.22 | Vlad| | I thought he meant work contract |
| 19:35.22 | Krapsy | hunger is a state of mind man |
| 19:35.29 | Vlad| | that they make you quit earlier by giving you a phone lol |
| 19:35.47 | Vlad| | btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0AiN8vrn9Y :D |
| 19:36.16 | Portia | Malnutrition and starvation, however, are not. |
| 19:36.35 | Krapsy | pfft |
| 19:37.29 | Krapsy | thats what they tell me every time i end up in the hospital |
| 19:37.50 | Krapsy | but doctors are part of the SYSTEM |
| 19:39.29 | Portia | Yeah, whenever I go, they're always like, "STOP treating the other patients". And "that man was not scheduled for a colonoscopy" and "stop telling those kids they have cancer." |
| 19:40.08 | Portia | Nothing like the look of joy on kids faces after they find out that they don't have cancer. It warms the soul. |
| 19:40.15 | Rythal|work | malnutrition? never! my box of kraft dinner a day is the epitone of healty eatting |
| 19:40.20 | Krapsy | i know right??????? |
| 19:41.01 | Rythal|work | Do you put on a red nose to tell the kids they have cancer? |
| 19:41.28 | TC-work | no, he told them Rudolph has cancer. |
| 19:41.35 | Portia | No, but it helps. And the pictures of me in a clown nose next to the crying kids are great. |
| 19:41.39 | Semlar | it's a tumor! |
| 19:41.55 | Portia | "it's not a tumor... oh, oh... it is a tumor. I was mistaken" |
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| 19:58.53 | Portia | So how do you modify the look of an existing window? Any resources that give a how to? |
| 20:00.10 | bleeter | is it my imagination or did Blizz remove the colour blind foo? |
| 20:00.11 | zenzelezz | you either change the visibility, textures of existing frame, or their components |
| 20:00.16 | zenzelezz | or add to them |
| 20:01.10 | Portia | Do you ship a file that replaces it in it's entirety? |
| 20:01.26 | bleeter | seriously, someone needs a lesson in red colour blindness |
| 20:01.29 | zenzelezz | that's up to you to decide |
| 20:01.42 | Vlad| | bleeter: are you color blind? |
| 20:02.01 | Portia | Accessibility issues are pretty bad across the development spectrum and pronounced especially in the gaming sector. |
| 20:02.07 | Vlad| | Portia: you can't replace a file completely :( |
| 20:02.14 | bleeter | Vlad|: mate I was playing with last night is. |
| 20:02.37 | Vlad| | did he know about this? http://www.wowpedia.org/CVar_colorblindshader |
| 20:03.15 | bleeter | Vlad|: ah, now that's the CVar we were looking for the UI setting for |
| 20:03.32 | bleeter | we *thought* there was a setting we could easily switch from Interface options, but buggered if we could see it |
| 20:03.34 | Vlad| | it's not in the cvar list on wowpedia |
| 20:04.47 | Ressy | yeah.. I haven't updated the full list Vlad| |
| 20:04.49 | Ressy | not in a while |
| 20:04.59 | Ressy | geez. 4.0.3a.. Time to redo it. |
| 20:05.53 | Vlad| | :D |
| 20:06.11 | Vlad| | why isn't the color blind shader in the interface options next to the colorblind checkbox? |
| 20:06.53 | Semlar | because blizzard hates color blind people |
| 20:07.32 | zenzelezz | Blizzard turns a color blind eye to that part of the community |
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| 20:08.08 | bleeter | wait, it's in Interface Options? |
| 20:08.22 | Portia | I would imagine it's a producer or project manager who doesn't think it's a priority. |
| 20:08.25 | bleeter | so you... have to be able to to see log in... to.. change... the... |
| 20:08.46 | bleeter | with that, no bloody wonder no one ever uses it =) |
| 20:08.49 | Portia | Doesn't that also make it per character? |
| 20:09.17 | karl_w_w | . |
| 20:09.26 | bleeter | anyways, what kicked this off was his ranting at the red text in recipes moving (Already known, Profession and skill level foo) |
| 20:09.30 | Ressy | You'd be surprised.. The original thread that had that info was quite large. |
| 20:09.43 | bleeter | he had actually thought that info had been removed >< |
| 20:09.45 | Ressy | A lot of colourblind users were talking about it, and telling friends about it. |
| 20:10.08 | bleeter | given the stats, there's no doubt a few sufferers at Blizz |
| 20:10.40 | karl_w_w | <zenzelezz> Blizzard turns a color blind eye to that part of the community <- that was classy |
| 20:10.45 | Portia | I know this is likely to be a religious issue, but what preferred libraries are people using (e.g. Ace 3)? |
| 20:10.58 | Semlar | none |
| 20:11.09 | bleeter | I use urmomlib ;) |
| 20:11.11 | Portia | Are they worth it? |
| 20:11.16 | Semlar | no |
| 20:11.42 | Semlar | okay well there are libraries and there are frameworks |
| 20:11.54 | Semlar | ace is a framework |
| 20:12.08 | Portia | Ok, frameworks then... are there any that are worth it? |
| 20:12.24 | Semlar | i've never seen the point |
| 20:12.36 | Portia | The blizzard stuff is sufficient? |
| 20:12.45 | karl_w_w | how did i stay connected to irc even though i restarted my modem and my ip address changed? |
| 20:12.52 | karl_w_w | *** DNS: 61.116.96.58.static.exetel.com.au is 58.96.116.61 |
| 20:12.59 | karl_w_w | i mean come on that makes no sense! |
| 20:14.24 | Portia | Ok, basic Lua question. What's the # for in return #self.foobar |
| 20:15.08 | karl_w_w | if you guessed you'd probably be right :P |
| 20:15.09 | durcyn | # gives number of elements in the table, with minor caveats where elements have been removed and the table hasn't been re-sorted |
| 20:15.21 | Semlar | it's the length operator for a table |
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| 20:15.35 | foxlit | it's the length operator, period. |
| 20:15.44 | bleeter | hang on, Colorblind mode is under 'Help'?! COLORBLIND MODE IS NOT AN OPTION TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE HELP SYSTEMS ARGHARHGHAGHRA |
| 20:15.54 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 20:15.54 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 20:16.11 | karl_w_w | how does it not help people? |
| 20:17.02 | Portia | durcyn, how does resorting the table affect the length operator? |
| 20:17.38 | Semlar | it only returns the value of the highest numbered index in sequential order |
| 20:18.09 | Semlar | if your indexes go 1-5 and then 8-10 and you try to get the length of the table it'll return 5 |
| 20:18.11 | karl_w_w | because if you don't resort it there's gaps |
| 20:18.35 | Portia | Indexes can be non-sequential? Are the indexes simply ordinal keys? |
| 20:18.45 | Semlar | keys can be literally anything |
| 20:19.00 | Semlar | they can be a function, they can be another table |
| 20:19.04 | Portia | So there's no straight up indexed list, it's all dictionaries. |
| 20:19.15 | Semlar | pretty much |
| 20:19.30 | Semlar | i mean you can make an indexed list but a table is a table |
| 20:19.34 | Portia | Ah, back to scripting languages. |
| 20:19.39 | foxlit | "undefined behavior" is such a fun concept |
| 20:20.29 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.32 | Semlar | i usually use table.insert and table.remove if i'm dealing with an array type thing |
| 20:20.44 | Portia | But whatever I call it, foo[bar], will always be table foo and key bar where bar can be anything. There's nothing to constrain bar to integer values other than me doing it. |
| 20:21.00 | Semlar | right |
| 20:21.12 | Semlar | unless you make a meta table that modifies the behavior |
| 20:21.27 | Portia | See I'm coming from C/C++, C#, VB, Javascript, etc. |
| 20:21.40 | Portia | This is going to be interesting. |
| 20:21.44 | Semlar | it's probably closest to javascript |
| 20:21.51 | Portia | That's what I was getting. |
| 20:22.02 | Semlar | lua is very simple |
| 20:22.05 | Portia | But even Javascript has indexed arrays. |
| 20:22.13 | foxlit | lies |
| 20:22.53 | Portia | Yes, I am a deceptive sort, but you saw through my deception... Bravo! |
| 20:23.07 | Semlar | i actually love how unrestricted lua is |
| 20:23.25 | Semlar | tables are probably my favorite construct ever |
| 20:23.36 | bleeter | lua tables rock |
| 20:24.17 | Portia | I'll see how IntelliJ handles it. |
| 20:24.35 | Portia | I will miss autocomplete, syntax highlighting and error highlighting if it's not there. |
| 20:25.59 | bleeter | any have decent IDE with support for that stuff should know it |
| 20:26.15 | bleeter | the foo for autocomplete, highlight etc. for lua's been around a while |
| 20:28.02 | foxlit | hm, what's the easiest way to get crowd-controlled without involving other players? |
| 20:28.26 | Dagmar | That depends on "easiest" |
| 20:28.43 | Dagmar | If you're a hunter and potentially likely to be MC'd, stand on yer own ice trap. |
| 20:28.49 | Semlar | dueling a mage would probably be easiest i don't know about mobs |
| 20:28.59 | foxlit | fastest travel time for a level 90 druid from the Vale. |
| 20:29.07 | Dagmar | There's also the archaeology reward amber thingie, as well as that lulzy ice block beer |
| 20:29.11 | foxlit | Semlar: that fails on the account of requiring another mage. |
| 20:29.29 | Semlar | if you're a mage maybe something with spell reflect |
| 20:29.31 | Portia | Short term or long term CC? |
| 20:29.42 | foxlit | either one will do. |
| 20:29.47 | bleeter | on the subject of stupid mad tricks... oh wait no they've not fixed it I shurrup >< |
| 20:29.48 | foxlit | I don't think any NPCs do anything long term. |
| 20:29.59 | Portia | Well you can get sheeped. |
| 20:30.07 | Dagmar | Bunny wands, but that requires a partner |
| 20:30.10 | foxlit | in solo pve? |
| 20:30.34 | Dagmar | For solo, the archaeology amber reward or the frost beer are the two quick ways that come to mind |
| 20:30.42 | Portia | Theramore's fall has some mages who sheep. You could kill off everyone but the mage and let them sheep you |
| 20:30.44 | bleeter | foxlit: webbed by spider mobs |
| 20:30.53 | Portia | that works too |
| 20:30.57 | bleeter | foxlit: I'd say that'd probably be easiest to find |
| 20:30.58 | foxlit | I do have the amber, but unfortunately it's a buff and not a CC effect. |
| 20:31.07 | foxlit | Mainly looking for something to trigger the loss of control UI |
| 20:31.09 | Dagmar | That's fairly bizarre |
| 20:31.31 | *** part/#wowuidev Portia (~Portia@rrcs-96-10-29-186.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:31.48 | Semlar | oh well loss of control could be simulated with ice block or something |
| 20:32.07 | Semlar | just switch it to look at buffs temporarily |
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| 20:32.21 | Dagmar | Yeah but I don't think that would trigger the loss-of-control |
| 20:32.36 | nevcairiel | there are plenty mobs that stun you, i was annoyed to hell during questing, but now i remember none of it |
| 20:32.38 | Portia | Getting sheeped is probably your best bet. |
| 20:32.42 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/npike/posts/10100331502673025 |
| 20:33.00 | Semlar | guards |
| 20:33.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I recall a similar annoyance, but not the location of it |
| 20:33.03 | Semlar | guards will do it |
| 20:33.20 | Semlar | or just join a battleground |
| 20:33.22 | Dagmar | I have this vague feeling there's an NPC somewhere who'll turn you into a frog on demand, but I can not for the life of me remember where |
| 20:33.45 | Semlar | the troll in durotar |
| 20:33.47 | foxlit | I wonder if dazes count |
| 20:33.54 | Semlar | i don't know if he still does that |
| 20:33.58 | nevcairiel | even silences do |
| 20:34.11 | foxlit | it's even harder to find an NPC who silences :) |
| 20:34.26 | nevcairiel | actually |
| 20:34.31 | Vlad| | nevcairiel have you heard JoinBattlefield is now protected? :D |
| 20:34.39 | nevcairiel | Vlad|: and why would i care? |
| 20:34.54 | nevcairiel | i dont pvp, nor do i have any addons that do that :p |
| 20:35.04 | Vlad| | because you code addons so you probably are interested in API changes :P |
| 20:35.19 | nevcairiel | bah i cant put my finger on this whole group of mobs that silence quite regularly |
| 20:35.29 | Vlad| | me neither |
| 20:35.37 | Vlad| | could it be in karazhan maybe? |
| 20:35.38 | foxlit | Vlad|: my impression is that it has been protected for ages. |
| 20:35.39 | nevcairiel | it was terrible, i managed to cast maybe one starfire |
| 20:35.41 | nevcairiel | ah i know |
| 20:35.53 | foxlit | Do you randomly read all patch changes and regurgitate them at random people? |
| 20:35.57 | Semlar | how was it not protected when they protected join lfg |
| 20:36.34 | Vlad| | don't know, but my addon broke now with this change:p |
| 20:36.44 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=61377 |
| 20:36.50 | nevcairiel | those guys cast an interrupt |
| 20:36.57 | nevcairiel | not sure it counts for the loss of control.. |
| 20:36.59 | Portia | What's your addon? |
| 20:37.05 | foxlit | feral :( |
| 20:37.16 | nevcairiel | find one and starfire it already |
| 20:37.23 | Vlad| | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21600-HonorQueue.html#info |
| 20:37.25 | nevcairiel | they cast it quire frequently :P |
| 20:37.29 | nevcairiel | quite* |
| 20:37.36 | foxlit | that place was like the most annoying one to quest in |
| 20:37.52 | Semlar | i wrote an addon a while back that replaced unit portraits with the debuff icon and a timer that showed how long before any cc ran out |
| 20:37.54 | foxlit | but heading there now. |
| 20:38.01 | Vlad| | questing in the waves isn't that bad once you get the buffs from klaxxi |
| 20:38.12 | Semlar | but all it did was parse the buff description for key phrases |
| 20:38.15 | nevcairiel | thats the wrong zone for klaxxi |
| 20:39.05 | nevcairiel | so while we're talking about patchnotes, and me not having read them, did any of the rep improvements they talked about make it in yet? |
| 20:39.25 | Unkle_ | You can buy the gizmos now. |
| 20:39.26 | foxlit | yes. Check the quartermasters for items at revered |
| 20:39.28 | Vlad| | did it work for all locales, Semlar? |
| 20:39.42 | Semlar | just english |
| 20:39.46 | Vlad| | :D |
| 20:39.50 | Semlar | not my problem |
| 20:40.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I have no Starfire?! |
| 20:40.02 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: thanks for the updates, bloke! (also, ltnc hope all's good your side :) |
| 20:40.07 | nevcairiel | foxlit: wrath then? |
| 20:40.10 | foxlit | Wrath it is. |
| 20:40.56 | Semlar | it was the easiest way to support the majority of debuffs, but it is locale dependent |
| 20:41.06 | Stanzilla | Tomb raider 1 on steam |
| 20:41.07 | Stanzilla | 10 euro |
| 20:41.07 | bleeter | bwahaha " http://www.wowhead.com/npc=61377 |
| 20:41.09 | Stanzilla | W T F |
| 20:41.10 | bleeter | bah hang on |
| 20:41.25 | bleeter | "is anyone else friends list sayng for their offline friend that last they were on line was 43 years ago" |
| 20:41.46 | Semlar | epoch'd |
| 20:42.25 | bleeter | "Natha has been offline for 2 times his age" |
| 20:42.38 | bleeter | hmm /trade has gone totally weird |
| 20:45.36 | durcyn | hm, i'm seeing 43 years on a few now that you mention it |
| 20:45.53 | nevcairiel | all fine for me |
| 20:46.20 | Vlad| | only weirdness by the default UI is purple "tagged" nameplates and my missing castbar on them >.< |
| 20:46.26 | Vlad| | is it only me? :p |
| 20:46.34 | Semlar | it probably means they haven't logged on since they changed something and they must have reset their last login to the epoch |
| 20:46.44 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: =) |
| 20:46.50 | nevcairiel | i have people with last login 6 month or so |
| 20:46.53 | durcyn | nope, all of these are battletag friends that have been online during my current session |
| 20:47.00 | Semlar | hm |
| 20:47.38 | Semlar | well that's more complicated |
| 20:47.40 | durcyn | if i had to guess, i'd say it'll show correctly if i relog |
| 20:48.40 | durcyn | !api BNGetFriendInfo |
| 20:48.40 | lua_bot | BNGetFriendInfo: Returns information about a RealID friend by index (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/BNGetFriendInfo) |
| 20:49.00 | durcyn | lastOnline 998137 |
| 20:49.14 | durcyn | isn't that meant to be epoch time? |
| 20:49.31 | Semlar | i think the epoch would be 0 |
| 20:49.32 | Vlad| | it starts from 0 and counts up so nope :P |
| 20:49.39 | durcyn | oh, server uptime isn't it |
| 20:50.04 | durcyn | Vlad|: just seconds since logout? |
| 20:50.12 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 20:50.28 | Vlad| | 998137 seconds is ~12 days |
| 20:50.58 | durcyn | this particular battletag was online within the past two hours |
| 20:51.32 | Vlad| | weirdness |
| 20:51.38 | durcyn | everyone on my list that was online before the us restarts is showing 8, 12, 13 etc. everyone who's been on after is showing 43 years. |
| 20:52.31 | Semlar | maybe something they changed is wiping out their last online timestamp |
| 20:53.00 | Semlar | if it's only affecting people who have logged in recently |
| 20:53.17 | Portia | It could be milliseconds |
| 20:53.30 | Vlad| | 2 hours is 7200 seconds |
| 20:53.34 | Vlad| | as a reference |
| 20:54.09 | Portia | as milliseconds it would be about 16-17 minutes |
| 20:57.03 | durcyn | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/FriendsFrame.lua#L1223 |
| 20:57.45 | Portia | Freaky |
| 20:58.42 | Portia | I like the optimism in this: -- local ONE_MILLENIUM = 1000 * ONE_YEAR; for the future |
| 21:00.03 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 21:00.11 | foxlit | eep. You can't get LoC cooldowns for spells not on your action bars? |
| 21:00.29 | Semlar | loc? |
| 21:01.21 | bleeter | loss of control |
| 21:01.59 | Portia | I thought the LoC stuff was by category |
| 21:02.29 | bleeter | think you guyes missed that Epoc is less than 43 years ago |
| 21:02.34 | bleeter | *guys |
| 21:02.42 | Semlar | no it isn't |
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| 21:03.29 | Portia | If it's 1970 + 43 = 2013 |
| 21:03.40 | Dagmar | Well, there's clearly a round-up in there. |
| 21:03.57 | Vlad| | :D |
| 21:03.58 | Dagmar | Here we are in the latter half of 2012, which would round up to 43. |
| 21:04.14 | Vlad| | it's am assumption but nothing better to go by atm |
| 21:04.25 | bleeter | haha since when did idle/offline times get rounded up what crazy is this?! |
| 21:04.31 | Dagmar | "atm"... yet another thing the internet has ruined. |
| 21:04.45 | Portia | Well round-off is more liley |
| 21:04.47 | Portia | likely |
| 21:04.47 | Semlar | we're 1 month from 2013 |
| 21:04.53 | Portia | The original code does a floor |
| 21:05.23 | bleeter | no really, folks |
| 21:05.39 | bleeter | name me ONE other chat program.. just ONE.... or chat protocol... that rounds up it's idle and offline times |
| 21:05.41 | foxlit | http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml/16309/ActionButton.lua#548 << ?! |
| 21:06.00 | Semlar | do you really think it's not going to round out when it gets to years |
| 21:06.17 | Dagmar | No one gives a shit about 42.8 years |
| 21:06.39 | bleeter | haha |
| 21:06.39 | Dagmar | Stuff like that falls under the rules of English and math, which would dictate normal, everyday rounding |
| 21:06.43 | Portia | What function are you calling to get this time? |
| 21:07.12 | zenzelezz | clearly this is all a result of the servers' NTP going haywire during downtime |
| 21:07.14 | Dagmar | Clearly since the maintenance the logout times are being stored in a format the system doesn't like that's being interpreted as zero. |
| 21:07.21 | bleeter | Dagmar: right, so EVERY chat program EVER... is just flat out wrong. goodo |
| 21:07.48 | Dagmar | bleeter: Nope. |
| 21:08.11 | Dagmar | There are definitely a number of them written by pedants of various stripes, however. |
| 21:08.13 | Semlar | chat programs don't say how long since the last message was sent |
| 21:08.21 | Semlar | they display a timestamp of the message |
| 21:08.35 | Dagmar | AFK timers report a duration generally, tho'. |
| 21:09.41 | Portia | What call are you using to get the time? |
| 21:09.54 | Dagmar | Unless you're fucking insane, you call for epoch time |
| 21:10.01 | Dagmar | *Always* |
| 21:10.09 | Portia | (Not familiar with the codebase yet) |
| 21:10.26 | Portia | (Or with Lua for that matter, just general programming) |
| 21:10.32 | Semlar | i don't think you can even get the epoch timestamp in wow |
| 21:10.33 | Dagmar | Localtime is for presentation to the local user, only. No operations shall ever be performed on localtime, unless you just love the fuck out of bugs. |
| 21:10.41 | bleeter | Semlar> chat programs don't say how long since the last message was sent << indeed, because (these days) presence is also taken in to account |
| 21:10.41 | durcyn | ahhah. relogged and BNGetFriendInfo lastOnline return is now epoch time, not a differential |
| 21:10.45 | Vlad| | Semlar: time() |
| 21:10.50 | foxlit | UnitBattlePetSpeciesID("player") ==> 71 |
| 21:10.50 | bleeter | eg, XEP-02256 |
| 21:11.01 | Vlad| | foxlit: :P |
| 21:11.38 | Semlar | time is the os time so it depends on the system |
| 21:11.53 | durcyn | yet another changed function that blizzard forgot to update their ui to deal with |
| 21:11.54 | Portia | So you're trying to write an addon that includes the feature of how long it's been since people have been online? |
| 21:12.03 | Dagmar | What I find amusing is that BEFORE COMPUTERS WERE PREVALENT, no one would ever get snippy about whether or not you round up above .5 |
| 21:12.11 | Vlad| | in lua you got time() now since cata :) |
| 21:12.17 | bleeter | (and for the record, Pidgin can by default track last seen, last message and a couple of other different basic XMPP foo) |
| 21:12.18 | Dagmar | ...because fucking English. |
| 21:12.37 | bleeter | Portia: for me, this started whern someone in trade mentioned a Friend was showing as offline for 43 years |
| 21:12.38 | Vlad| | Semlar: the wow time() is unix timestamp |
| 21:12.58 | Dagmar | Vlad: Epoch time is NOT "unix timestamp" |
| 21:13.03 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 21:13.09 | Dagmar | Wed Nov 28 15:13:09 CST 2012 |
| 21:13.12 | Dagmar | That's a unix timestamp. |
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| 21:13.20 | Vlad| | >.< |
| 21:13.26 | bleeter | Dagmar: "no one would ever get snippy" you knew everyone on the planet before the 1940's? grats! |
| 21:13.28 | Portia | That's the timezone adjusted unix timestamp |
| 21:13.29 | durcyn | bleeter: you want to write this one up? BNGetFriendInfo() returns differential instead of epoch when the friend goes offline in the current sessio |
| 21:13.29 | Vlad| | I am talking about seconds since 1970 something |
| 21:13.32 | durcyn | +n |
| 21:13.32 | Dagmar | 1354137212 |
| 21:13.37 | Dagmar | That's epoch time |
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| 21:13.44 | Vlad| | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time |
| 21:13.44 | durcyn | Vlad|: yes, UNIX epoch != "UNIX timestamp" |
| 21:13.46 | bleeter | durcyn: will do, cheers |
| 21:13.49 | Semlar | !lua print(time()) |
| 21:13.49 | batbot | Semlar: @ [string "return print(time())"]:1: attempt to call global 'time' (a nil value) |
| 21:13.56 | Semlar | :( |
| 21:13.56 | Dagmar | bleeter: No, I spoke English prior to 1986. |
| 21:13.56 | bleeter | durcyn: I'll take your word as gospel without testing ;) |
| 21:13.56 | Vlad| | unix time looks to be the same as epoch time that you speak of :P |
| 21:14.18 | bleeter | wait |
| 21:14.19 | bleeter | what |
| 21:14.26 | durcyn | bleeter: i dont' know if it did that before 5.1, but the way it's passing it to FriendsFrame_GetLastOnline would result in "43 years ago" |
| 21:14.27 | Dagmar | Unix time *is* generally epoch time because we're not as fucking insane as the people at Microsoft. |
| 21:14.38 | Portia | Microsoft is also epoch time |
| 21:14.46 | Portia | Or Windows OSes that is. |
| 21:14.49 | Vlad| | :P |
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| 21:15.00 | Portia | "According to the reference manual, 'The returned value is a number, whose meaning depends on your system. In POSIX, Windows, and some other systems, this number counts the number of seconds since some given start time (the "epoch"). " |
| 21:15.01 | bleeter | unix epoch started out as 1971 |
| 21:15.09 | Dagmar | Epoch time is the number of seconds since Jan 1st, 1970, UTC. It starts at zero (it's an offset) and increments by one for every second that passed since then. |
| 21:15.21 | Vlad| | so wiki is wrong and no nerd has fixed it?! :D |
| 21:15.26 | durcyn | bleeter: since it's calculating time() - timeDifference on FriendsFrame.lua:1225 |
| 21:15.43 | Portia | I'm guessing the wiki is right. |
| 21:16.11 | Vlad| | according to some earlier messages I was almost shot for saying that :P |
| 21:16.32 | durcyn | how the hell did it become our job to debug blizzard's ui code every patch anyway |
| 21:16.56 | Dagmar | It's always been yer job |
| 21:17.22 | durcyn | usually when they ninja change functions they at least fix their own code that uses it |
| 21:17.24 | Portia | Blizzard does a floor operation on their results so it should be rounding down to 42 years. |
| 21:17.36 | TC-work | Because they don't make API's for themselves. |
| 21:17.38 | Portia | But my guess is that there's something else going on. |
| 21:18.09 | Portia | Patch 5.1a is right around the corner. |
| 21:18.12 | Dagmar | Portia: So they have two bugs now... Does it much matter? |
| 21:18.28 | Portia | So this is in the official stuff, not your add-on? |
| 21:18.31 | Dagmar | ...and you're also assuming they are always doing a floor |
| 21:18.49 | Portia | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/FriendsFrame.lua#L1223 |
| 21:19.00 | Semlar | that's from the interface |
| 21:19.02 | Dagmar | Trying to round numbers to English, a floor is less likely to provide the expected answer than a classic rounding function |
| 21:19.55 | Portia | Except in time spent. You hit X years when you've gone past the last day, not when you've gotten past X - 1/2 years |
| 21:19.59 | durcyn | Portia: try it yourself, BNGetFriendInfo() no longer returns epoch for friends that have gone offline while you've remained online, so FriendsFrame_GetLastOnline thinks they were last online 12 hours before 1970, not 12 hours before now |
| 21:20.09 | bleeter | durcyn: fyi http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7199912484 |
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| 21:20.49 | Portia | Are you saying the thing I linked isn't the WoW code being used by the Vanilla client? |
| 21:20.53 | durcyn | bleeter: not sure i'd base it on my reputation =P |
| 21:21.07 | Semlar | well, if something happened 4.8 years ago would you say 5 years or 4 years |
| 21:21.27 | bleeter | durcyn: nah I'm basing my apathy towards testing your observations on this, not the correctness itself :P |
| 21:21.38 | Dagmar | Semlar: Some folks have a problem seeing the difference between speaking English and speaking C |
| 21:21.46 | Semlar | >_> |
| 21:21.47 | durcyn | Portia: i'm saying the return from the function changed, so the number that's being floored isn't what it should be |
| 21:22.40 | Dagmar | A long-overdue change away from localtime insanity |
| 21:23.14 | durcyn | it appears to have been epoch pre-5.1 |
| 21:23.43 | Guest28709 | I'm noticing a distinct lack of comments in the code. |
| 21:24.05 | Guest28709 | And now I (Portia) am Guest28709 |
| 21:24.14 | Semlar | comments are a crutch |
| 21:24.47 | Guest28709 | Have you tried flipping the isAbsoluteFlag? |
| 21:24.48 | bleeter | Semlar: would I say 4 or 5 years? Depends on context, naturally. |
| 21:24.54 | Guest28709 | isAbsolte flag? |
| 21:25.09 | Guest28709 | It looks like it switches from epoch to something else. |
| 21:25.10 | bleeter | but making that decision would require knowing the original figure is 4.8 |
| 21:25.25 | Vlad| | Portia /nick yourself :S |
| 21:25.28 | durcyn | isAbsolute isn't being passed by the function that gets lastOnline from BNGetFriendInfo |
| 21:25.57 | Semlar | isabsolute just tells the function whether the timestamp it's getting needs to be subtracted from the current time or not |
| 21:26.00 | durcyn | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/FriendsFrame.lua#L1699 |
| 21:26.01 | Guest28709 | My guess is it default to false. Try sending true. |
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| 21:26.24 | durcyn | i'm not sending shit, it's framexml code, how am i going to change that? |
| 21:26.49 | SuperPortia | Alright. I misunderstood what code was calling this. |
| 21:27.29 | SuperPortia | Where's the offending call? |
| 21:27.59 | durcyn | looks like https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/FriendsFrame.lua#L1414 |
| 21:28.57 | Dagmar | Oh lurvely. Wowwiki does noisy ads now |
| 21:29.11 | Dagmar | Google needs to readd the personalized bullshit filter for searches |
| 21:30.03 | Semlar | it's rounding "wrong" because ONE_MONTH is 30 * ONE_DAY |
| 21:30.04 | SuperPortia | I wonder if lastOnline == 0 isn't returning true. |
| 21:30.22 | Dagmar | Ah yes, all months are 30 days. |
| 21:30.25 | SuperPortia | That's if the time was less than one year, which it isn't. |
| 21:30.40 | Semlar | ONE_YEARS = 12 * ONE_MONTH |
| 21:30.42 | SuperPortia | Yeah, but I'm guessing Lua's date/time library isn't robust. |
| 21:30.47 | Semlar | -s |
| 21:30.53 | durcyn | not sure why you're fixating on rounding here. rounding doesn't change a function return from epoch to differential. |
| 21:31.31 | SuperPortia | If lastOnline were 0, then you should just see Offline |
| 21:31.43 | durcyn | it's not zero. |
| 21:32.06 | durcyn | it's seconds since logout for realid/battletag friends that logged out during your current session. |
| 21:32.17 | durcyn | are you with me yet? |
| 21:32.21 | SuperPortia | That's my point, my guess is they switched to something else and where it was supposed to be 0, is now something else. |
| 21:32.23 | Dagmar | THey're upset because the duration is 42 years and some change, and is being reported as 43. |
| 21:32.31 | durcyn | not zero. never zero. |
| 21:32.32 | Semlar | well, the function is being supplied with 0 and it's making timeDifference just = time() |
| 21:32.46 | durcyn | before 5.1 it was (i believe) always epoch |
| 21:33.09 | Semlar | and then time() is being converted into years |
| 21:33.58 | durcyn | I thought I was making sense half an hour ago before all this rounding discussion happened |
| 21:34.23 | Semlar | you thought wrong |
| 21:34.49 | SuperPortia | Can you do a diff on the 4.x codebase and the 5.x codebase? Or even the 5.1? Because this is new to 5.1 right? |
| 21:35.23 | Dagmar | Just change the return value to "sometime in the past". Call it a day. |
| 21:36.28 | SuperPortia | This line is confusing: the number of seconds since this friend was last online since last Epoch, January 1, 1970 |
| 21:36.48 | SuperPortia | Oh, duh |
| 21:37.10 | SuperPortia | So that's the old version. |
| 21:37.27 | durcyn | BINGO |
| 21:38.10 | Semlar | i'm looking at the diff, they haven't changed anything that would matter |
| 21:38.42 | SuperPortia | If timeDifference is 0 then you just get time() printed. |
| 21:38.51 | SuperPortia | But you shouldn't get there that way. |
| 21:39.08 | SuperPortia | Because there's a check in the caller. |
| 21:39.09 | SuperPortia | https://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/live/FrameXML/FriendsFrame.lua#L1411 |
| 21:39.25 | Semlar | maybe it isn't 0 |
| 21:39.35 | SuperPortia | It could be very near 0. |
| 21:39.46 | SuperPortia | Perhaps processing the epoch incorrectly. |
| 21:39.55 | Semlar | or the equivalent of 0 |
| 21:40.08 | SuperPortia | So instead of "Offline" you're getting this 43 years crap. |
| 21:40.22 | Semlar | maybe the api function is returning nil for lastOnline |
| 21:40.30 | bleeter | haha they've stopped guns from occasionally proccing arrow animations and sounds for hunters... but now bows sometimes shoot bullets! |
| 21:40.34 | SuperPortia | Does nil = 0? |
| 21:40.41 | bleeter | wait no hang on that might be the wrong way round... |
| 21:41.27 | Dagmar | Fuck |
| 21:41.34 | Dagmar | I mogged that bow for good reason |
| 21:42.24 | Semlar | it's not like it would be hard to see what values are being passed to the function |
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| 21:42.51 | bleeter | Dagmar: hehe. swings and roundabouts ;) |
| 21:43.08 | durcyn | SuperPortia: it should never be zero, that's legacy code from non-battletag friends |
| 21:43.19 | SuperPortia | It should be nil right? |
| 21:44.07 | durcyn | SuperPortia: BNGetFriendInfo() always returns a last online time, whereas GetFriendInfo returned zero for offline friends that you hadn't seen in your current session |
| 21:44.10 | durcyn | no, not nil. |
| 21:44.46 | SuperPortia | Are we sure that BNGetFriendsInfo is working as it's supposed to? |
| 21:45.13 | nevcairiel | you never know how its supposed to behave :p |
| 21:45.37 | durcyn | what i've been trying to tell you for the past hour is that BNGetFriendInfo now returns number of seconds a realid friend has been offline if you've seen them in your current session, rather than always returning the epoch time they logged off as it did pre-5.1 |
| 21:45.44 | SuperPortia | Basically if you're getting Now (in Epoch) then timeDifference has to be near or at 0. |
| 21:45.48 | SuperPortia | Or it's equivalent. |
| 21:45.54 | durcyn | it has nothing to fucking do with how close to zero it is |
| 21:46.34 | Torhal|work | Watch you fucking language, for fuck's sake! |
| 21:46.42 | Torhal|work | s/you/your/ |
| 21:46.46 | Semlar | i don't know why you think it's returning the right value because it's obviously feeding FriendsFrame_GetLastOnline 0 |
| 21:46.58 | nevcairiel | in any case, its inconsistent, changing return values depending on if you've seen them or not is rather broken :p |
| 21:47.00 | durcyn | no, it's not obviously feedint it zero |
| 21:47.09 | Semlar | then why is it returning 43 years |
| 21:47.54 | durcyn | okay, let's try it your way Semlar |
| 21:47.58 | SuperPortia | Because timeDifference is very low and is getting inverted to a very high number. |
| 21:48.06 | durcyn | time() - 1004316 |
| 21:48.16 | durcyn | time() - 1354136751 |
| 21:48.44 | Semlar | i have no way to test it because i don't have people with this value on my friends list |
| 21:48.51 | Semlar | just do /script hooksecurefunc('FriendsFrame_GetLastOnline', function(...) print(...) end) |
| 21:49.32 | durcyn | i'll give you a hint: time() - 1004316 = 1353135030 |
| 21:49.40 | durcyn | feed that to the rounding function. |
| 21:50.42 | Semlar | i'm not sure what you're getting at |
| 21:50.45 | SuperPortia | It should be returning 42 years. |
| 21:51.21 | durcyn | i'm going to murder you both in my sleep |
| 21:51.23 | SuperPortia | Anyways, you're right durcyn that's it because it's the number of seconds the user was last online from now() rather than last online from epoch. |
| 21:52.27 | SuperPortia | I was trying to say that you can only get a large number like 43 years if it's inverted (where timeDifference is a low number) |
| 21:52.31 | Semlar | well, i provided a way to figure out exactly what's happening so |
| 21:52.46 | Semlar | if someone with the problem could run that they can see what it's doing |
| 21:53.18 | durcyn | i have several battletags on my friends list showing 43 years, Semlar. BNGetFriendInfo() does not return epoch time for them. |
| 21:53.25 | SuperPortia | I think durcyn is right. Now it's just a matter of reporting it, which I think it has. |
| 21:53.45 | durcyn | you think. |
| 21:54.54 | SuperPortia | I haven't confirmed that it has, so I think it has. |
| 21:56.28 | SuperPortia | I understand that it took me longer to get there than you would have liked, but I got there and I'm not sure what I did to deserve you continuing to belittle me, so please stop. |
| 21:57.28 | Torhal|work | executes Fan of Knives. |
| 21:57.56 | durcyn | i'm a firm believer in Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory |
| 21:58.24 | durcyn | and occasionally proof of it. |
| 21:58.42 | SuperPortia | Hi, my name is Orion. Nice to meet you. |
| 21:59.39 | SuperPortia | You're clearly a bright guy and I'd like to collaborate in here in the future. And it's my first day here. |
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| 21:59.53 | TC-work | durcyn: How does that theory go? |
| 22:00.28 | durcyn | TC-work: normal person + total anonymity + audience = total fuckwad |
| 22:00.47 | SuperPortia | I may have that on a T-shirt somewhere.' |
| 22:02.02 | TC-work | durcyn: except people are fuckwads without anything after the first |
| 22:02.13 | TC-work | normal person + self = fuckwad |
| 22:02.29 | SuperPortia | I think the idea is that it's more pronounced with the other two. |
| 22:03.17 | durcyn | straps TC-work to a chair and makes him listen to Halo voice chat |
| 22:03.26 | SuperPortia | haha |
| 22:03.30 | bleeter | ideas? WHERE WE'RE GOING WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING IDEAS!11!11! |
| 22:03.32 | bleeter | ;) |
| 22:03.39 | TC-work | To be fair that's not total anonymity |
| 22:04.06 | SuperPortia | If I can't hunt you down and smack you upside with a chair, it's anonymous. |
| 22:04.16 | TC-work | With enough money you can |
| 22:04.29 | SuperPortia | Anonymity here is a reasonable fear of reprocussions. |
| 22:05.46 | TC-work | 'reasonable' /cackle |
| 22:07.22 | bleeter | anonymity? freenode? lol ;) |
| 22:07.38 | SuperPortia | Looking to be the breaker of 'reasonable' TC-work? |
| 22:08.26 | SuperPortia | Tonight I shall go home and write my first add-on. MWAHAHAHAHA |
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| 22:09.23 | TC-work | Well, I'm just saying it is subjective. If i was a federal agent for example, i would have more resources to hunt you down and beat you with a chair than most people. |
| 22:09.40 | TC-work | but that's not 'unreasonable' |
| 22:09.45 | SuperPortia | Or a PI. |
| 22:10.12 | SuperPortia | In this case I think reason is in the eye of the person saying fuckcunt in voicechat. |
| 22:10.21 | SuperPortia | And they're probably not thinking that far ahead. |
| 22:11.13 | Semlar | i try not to think too much |
| 22:11.46 | bleeter | thining is for nubs |
| 22:11.52 | bleeter | *thinking |
| 22:14.43 | TC-work | so is typing |
| 22:14.50 | TC-work | not that i should be talking |
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| 22:15.09 | SuperPortia | I think you meant spelling is for nubs |
| 22:15.16 | SuperPortia | :P |
| 22:17.10 | Unkle_ | nubs is for nubs, nubs. |
| 22:17.34 | TC-work | whatever nublet |
| 22:17.52 | Unkle_ | I see what you did there. |
| 22:18.02 | bleeter | http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/australian_croc.jpg |
| 22:18.31 | durcyn | i fail to see what clipped dog tails have to do with anyone's poor english |
| 22:20.49 | TC-work | everything, that's why it's poor |
| 22:21.26 | SuperPortia | Alright logging for a bit. Thanks for all the help. |
| 22:21.50 | Vlad| | trillian :D |
| 22:22.25 | bleeter | jerks around like a vegetarian in a butcher's cull room |
| 22:22.55 | Unkle_ | Are you about to loose your secret vegan powers? |
| 22:23.24 | TC-work | the power to be hungry while everyone else is enjoying meat? |
| 22:23.37 | Unkle_ | mmmm... meat. |
| 22:24.24 | bleeter | meat meat meat meat and meat what's all this crap about you eating meat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz_38VpEwG8 |
| 22:24.52 | bleeter | gah |
| 22:25.00 | bleeter | *you NOT eating meat |
| 22:25.11 | bleeter | fails self and redirects to /dev/null |
| 22:28.39 | bleeter | don't mind me, I'm still laughing at the idea that 2 years 7 months and 3 years 5 months are so similar |
| 22:29.42 | Semlar | are you okay |
| 22:42.42 | durcyn | Shadowed: Demonic Fury is showing up for my fire mage in suf text/tags configuration for some reason |
| 22:43.56 | Shadowed | what do you mean |
| 22:43.59 | Shadowed | it's supposed to |
| 22:44.00 | Shadowed | it's a text tag |
| 22:44.08 | Shadowed | I don't do any filtering by class or spec for showing text tags |
| 22:44.10 | Shadowed | that would take effort |
| 22:44.14 | Shadowed | I'm pro no effort |
| 22:44.14 | durcyn | oh. |
| 22:44.26 | Shadowed | The bar itself is fully disabled, and as such the text tag is |
| 22:44.35 | Shadowed | so even if you see the configuration for it, it won't do anything |
| 22:44.44 | Unkle_ | I'm very much pro "no effort" too. This is why I don't release code, it takes effort. |
| 22:47.48 | durcyn | unrelated: InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory actually scrolls to the header correctly in 5.1 |
| 22:50.51 | TC-work | I'm even more pro...I don't write it. |
| 22:58.21 | Vlad| | whois Semlar |
| 22:58.25 | Vlad| | ~whois Semlar |
| 22:58.35 | Vlad| | purl are you here? |
| 22:58.35 | purl | Yes, I'm right here, vlad|. |
| 22:58.42 | Vlad| | purl, who is Semlar? |
| 22:58.43 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Vlad| |
| 22:58.48 | Vlad| | purl, whois Semlar |
| 22:58.57 | Vlad| | what happened with the "whois"? :( |
| 22:59.03 | Semlar | :| |
| 22:59.07 | TC-work | it was never there? |
| 22:59.13 | Vlad| | sure it was |
| 22:59.28 | Vlad| | it would say funny things about people :P |
| 22:59.52 | TC-work | so there is |
| 22:59.56 | Vlad| | purl, Semlar is awesome! |
| 22:59.56 | purl | okay, Vlad| |
| 23:00.02 | Vlad| | purl, who is Semlar |
| 23:00.02 | purl | methinks semlar is awesome! |
| 23:00.07 | Vlad| | :D |
| 23:00.26 | TC-work | meh, thats why we have emulate |
| 23:00.39 | Vlad| | purl, who is Thunder_Child |
| 23:00.39 | purl | Thunder_Child is an asshole |
| 23:00.42 | Vlad| | :P |
| 23:01.03 | TC-work | well yes, i did that |
| 23:01.09 | TC-work | ~Thunder_Child |
| 23:01.09 | purl | Thunder_Child is an asshole |
| 23:01.17 | Vlad| | ~purl |
| 23:01.18 | purl | from memory, purl is arrogant |
| 23:01.21 | Vlad| | ^^ |
| 23:01.37 | Vlad| | purl, where is Torhal |
| 23:01.37 | purl | hmm... torhal is some long-haired freak who re-writes all of Ackis' code. |
| 23:01.41 | TC-work | ~emulate Thunder_Child |
| 23:01.41 | purl | my parients said i could be come ANYTHING, so i became an asshole |
| 23:01.54 | Vlad| | ~emulate purl |
| 23:01.54 | purl | Arghh! Why don't you just go play with yourself for once?! Well, probably not "for once". |
| 23:02.10 | Vlad| | ~emulate Vlad |
| 23:02.14 | Vlad| | ~Vlad |
| 23:02.14 | purl | well, vlad is a meanie hates children |
| 23:02.17 | Vlad| | :< |
| 23:02.24 | Vlad| | ~Vlad| |
| 23:03.00 | Vlad| | purl, say !lua print("purl, say !lua print('rofl :D')") |
| 23:03.00 | purl | !lua print("purl, say !lua print('rofl :D')") |
| 23:03.01 | batbot | purl: purl, say !lua print('rofl :D') |
| 23:03.10 | Vlad| | ok, nuff playin' |
| 23:03.30 | bleeter | right, so |
| 23:03.35 | bleeter | this rounding date thing |
| 23:03.36 | Vlad| | yes bleeter? |
| 23:03.38 | Vlad| | yes? |
| 23:03.39 | bleeter | on buddy/friend lists |
| 23:03.44 | Vlad| | what is the problem? |
| 23:03.56 | bleeter | been chatting in #pidgin about whether rounding idle/offline times is 'standard' practice |
| 23:04.07 | Vlad| | when it comes to "last seen" |
| 23:04.11 | Vlad| | it's not so unusua |
| 23:04.13 | Vlad| | unusual* |
| 23:04.14 | bleeter | mentioned the 42/43 thing earlier |
| 23:04.16 | Vlad| | at least on wow it's very rough |
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| 23:04.54 | bleeter | and it seems we have reached a consensus, that Blizzard (and Dagmar et al) are wrong in doing this. Because the correct answer is always... I repeat... ALWAYS.... 42. |
| 23:05.11 | Vlad| | you mean you should round down when it comes to "last seen" timestamps? |
| 23:05.18 | Vlad| | well, it's more logical to me at least :P |
| 23:05.34 | Vlad| | better to round 5.4 years to 5 than 6 ;P |
| 23:05.49 | bleeter | i'd rather it just say 5.4 years ;) |
| 23:05.59 | Vlad| | not if you have to round it to one digit :D |
| 23:07.00 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:07.10 | Vlad| | blizz rounds hefty |
| 23:07.12 | bleeter | anyways, someone offline for 5 years 8 months has NOT been offline for 6 years. |
| 23:07.18 | Vlad| | guild says "1 year ago" until you turn 2 years offline :P |
| 23:07.31 | Vlad| | so they seem to floor the years there |
| 23:07.36 | Vlad| | wonder why not in friend list |
| 23:08.46 | Primer | Because they're not really your friends |
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| 23:13.47 | bleeter | completely different tangent |
| 23:14.26 | bleeter | is there any server side data storage space for stuff (like macro storage)? I was thinking it'd be nice, given so many dailies around and so many differences, if guildies could record which dailies they see out in the wild |
| 23:14.35 | bleeter | but then got me to wondering where the hell we'd store the data |
| 23:14.50 | bleeter | thought about the Calendar, but that'd be such an ugly hack and so easy to break |
| 23:15.11 | bleeter | then just got to wonder if there is any guild data storage available, and if not what people may think about such a suggestion? |
| 23:15.53 | bleeter | this came from a discussion with guild where it was observed that we've got a roster of what the guild is up to but it's not... configurable. |
| 23:16.15 | bleeter | ie, the stuff it's tracking for us at the moment we really couldn't give two honks about :) |
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| 23:24.32 | lcd | boom chicka |
| 23:24.38 | lcd | blinks. |
| 23:25.33 | bleeter | Vlad|: I suspect the reason that Friend is floored but Guild isn't... is so that between the two values you can have a guess at what the original figure after the decimal point was ;) |
| 23:38.57 | durcyn | anyone able to check if their blingtron quest reset correctly today? |
| 23:40.01 | durcyn | GetQuestsCompleted()[31752] is still showing true after the daily reset, wondering if they changed it to weekly when they made it account wide |
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| 23:44.59 | Primer | because we're surely getting WAY too much stuff from that Blingtron |
| 23:46.32 | durcyn | certainly not anymore. |
| 23:46.49 | Primer | I never made one3 |
| 23:46.54 | Primer | I thought it was useless |
| 23:46.57 | bleeter | i saw some chatter this morning that folks were having blinger probs |
| 23:46.57 | Primer | and still do |
| 23:47.13 | bleeter | I wondered if it were related to the hard setting of reset times |
| 23:47.30 | durcyn | other dailies reset without issue |
| 23:47.38 | bleeter | ie, if only people not in PST are having an issue, etc |
| 23:47.49 | bleeter | durcyn: other dailies from crafted objects in your bag? |
| 23:48.10 | durcyn | cooking school bell would be the closest analog, and in its case, yes |
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| 23:48.36 | bleeter | 'daily reset' on Central time was always fun. couple extra hours to see what other realms had as dailies if you wanted a different one to the ones originally offered >< |
| 23:49.00 | durcyn | well, it's all by database time, which has nothing to do with offsets |
| 23:49.11 | bleeter | couldn't be arse sitting up last night to test that all again. |
| 23:49.17 | bleeter | it's been an 'issue' since BC |
| 23:49.40 | bleeter | 'crap, I hate this daily, I'll wait 'til two hours before reset and hopefully it'll be a better one' lol |
| 23:49.45 | durcyn | i've been playing on non-PST servers since release, the time only ever fluctutates on DST start/stop since the DB also ignores ofset changes as well as offsets |
| 23:49.55 | bleeter | and if it were equally shite, just wait 2 hours for proper reset and yet another daily would pop |
| 23:50.00 | durcyn | BC did have some fun glitches where the lockouts would reset 1-2 minutes before the dailies changed |
| 23:50.10 | TC-work | but then you miss out on a daily |
| 23:50.42 | durcyn | i only ever really used it to repeat Crocolisks in the City for those damn pets |
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| 23:51.20 | bleeter | being an Aussie RPer on a Central server, ... got to see some pretty fucked up things 'late at night' ;) |
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| 23:51.54 | Primer | such as |
| 23:52.16 | durcyn | lots of robes and wizard hats? |
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| 23:53.08 | bleeter | yeah, such as stuff that's borderline mechanic abuse due to the 'battlegroup' clock being different to the realm's clock ;) |
| 23:53.30 | Primer | such as... |
| 23:53.45 | bleeter | lemme try again, then... |
| 23:53.50 | bleeter | 1. Rock up to daily quest giver |
| 23:53.53 | bleeter | 2. Check out quest |
| 23:53.56 | bleeter | 3. Hate on quest |
| 23:54.10 | bleeter | 4. Wait... wait some more. Wait until an hour or so before 'reset' |
| 23:54.25 | Primer | I'm more interested in the "mechanic abuse due to battlegroup clock being different" |
| 23:54.32 | bleeter | 5. Check daily giver again. Chance of 'new' daily available for an hour is 1 in (number of quests avail) |
| 23:54.34 | TC-work | i think he is mentioning it |
| 23:54.53 | bleeter | 6. If you likje daily, do it. If you don't, wait an hour for the PROPER reset to kick in |
| 23:55.12 | bleeter | ie, you get a second chance at shitful dailies |
| 23:55.18 | Primer | except in my mind battlegroup clock implies joining a bg |
| 23:55.29 | Primer | as that's whent he clock changes |
| 23:55.35 | bleeter | yes, and dailies were originally tied to BGs |
| 23:55.53 | Primer | that's news to me |
| 23:56.00 | bleeter | we're they |
| 23:56.02 | bleeter | ? |
| 23:56.08 | Primer | were |
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| 23:56.14 | bleeter | yeah yeah |
| 23:56.38 | Primer | Sintacks: if only your name was "spelling" |
| 23:56.48 | Primer | it'd have been a bit more opportune, your /join |
| 23:57.23 | TC-work | eh, spelling or typing is never really noticed around here |
| 23:57.25 | Primer | So all that shit I complained about last night regarding PVP |
| 23:57.43 | Primer | Turns out it's due to the increase in pvp power for damage, and its decrease in healing |
| 23:57.58 | Primer | Healers were getting STOMPED in bgs |
| 23:58.37 | Primer | I have a decently pvp geared resto druid, and I felt like I was naked |
| 23:59.03 | Primer | even with 3 healers all healing one person, that person was getting raped |
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