| 00:05.13 | chiel | :p |
| 00:06.39 | Dark_Elf | thats a pretty common error, perhaps another addon is tainting yours |
| 00:09.56 | durcyn | anything that hides the blizzard frames is going to cause that |
| 00:13.15 | Xuerian | Anything that adds to the addon option list taints too, iirc |
| 00:17.00 | Adys | "I DON'T MAKE SNIPER RIFLES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PROPERLY APPRECIATE THE EXPLOSION FROM FAR AWAY. IF YOU'RE NOT PICKING GIBLETS OUT OF YOUR TEETH IT WASN'T A REAL KILL" |
| 00:17.02 | Adys | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13gsxi/iama_mister_torgue_and_will_answer/ |
| 00:27.00 | pompy | Cairenn|afk: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151193342292615&set=a.274818582614.142063.169141232614&type=1 |
| 00:32.01 | Adys | "I'm pretty sure that Pandora is the planet version of Australia." |
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| 01:17.22 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: lol |
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| 01:27.05 | d0cipx | i've been looking online and am having a difficult time determining what debuggers are still actively being developed/working and which ones are depricated, any suggestions? |
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| 01:36.23 | d0cipx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDZEtDARXMw&feature=related |
| 01:38.20 | Kodiack | Man, people are dumb. |
| 01:38.20 | Kodiack | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6412414835 |
| 01:38.26 | Kodiack | Wrong room... |
| 01:39.16 | d0cipx | i'm guessing people don't know how to do a stack trace properly lol |
| 01:40.58 | Kodiack | I just don't get why people are panicking about WoW using a measly 1.2 GB of RAM. Mine's chewing up 1.4 GB right now, and that's just fine. Memory is cheap these days. Might as well be utilized. |
| 01:42.13 | xyphoid | what if i suddenly want to raytrace something while raiding |
| 01:44.12 | d0cipx | my bitch is more about the OS than about wow itself, the only problem I ever had w/wow was previously not being ablet to use EAF, but that may be fixed idk |
| 01:56.06 | bleeter | Adys, Cairenn: there is no way pandaristan is a version of australia. no drop bears, for starters |
| 01:56.19 | bleeter | http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-20/in-the-swim/4381362 |
| 01:56.23 | Cairenn | I never said it was |
| 01:56.51 | bleeter | didnt think you did |
| 01:57.23 | Cairenn | but that link is just too cute :) |
| 01:58.19 | pompy | Cairenn: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151193342292615&set=a.274818582614.142063.169141232614&type=1 |
| 01:58.59 | Adys | bleeter: "The population consists of those that were abandoned there, wildlife that exisits solely to kill you, and barely liveable climates" |
| 02:03.19 | ajmitch | wonders how much RAM wow could end up using, 1.2GB is nothing |
| 02:07.56 | TC-work | Might be legacy, 5 years ago wow was also taking 1.3GB of ram |
| 02:08.05 | TC-work | for me at least |
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| 03:13.00 | kd3 | yay. done with mop reps... for now |
| 03:18.47 | Dagmar | Interesting. There's apparently about 8,600 people watching the kittens sleep. |
| 03:24.11 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 03:27.20 | Dagmar | You can see their little sides going up and down |
| 03:30.00 | xyphoid | url? |
| 03:31.05 | pompy | not to lighten the mood but thats so fucked up http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/Monkey-killed-at-Zoo-Boise-179809381.html |
| 03:31.20 | Dagmar | http://new.livestream.com/FosterKittenCam/TheSpiceKittens or just google Live Kitten Stream |
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| 03:50.09 | Ackis | anyone here have a CISSP and/or is in the Information Security business? |
| 03:51.39 | xyphoid | i spent the weekend drinking with pen testers, does that count |
| 03:52.02 | Ackis | unless you penetrated them, nope |
| 03:53.11 | Shirik | waves at Ackis |
| 03:53.32 | Ackis | hi Shirik |
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| 03:57.26 | Shirik | "Ever-evolving UAV technology is designed to be invasive to privacy and is more efficient than manned aircraft because drones fly longer and closer to the earth, said Amie Stepanovich, an EPIC lawyer." |
| 03:57.30 | Shirik | Someone kill this person please |
| 03:58.10 | Kaylin | epic lawyers now? what's next legendary lawyers? |
| 03:58.30 | Dagmar | That's what I was thinking |
| 04:00.46 | kd3 | whee. [Pandaren Kite] |
| 04:00.47 | kd3 | <3 |
| 04:00.50 | kd3 | my new favorite mount |
| 04:01.02 | Dagmar | Does it bob up and down? |
| 04:01.06 | kd3 | yes |
| 04:01.09 | Dagmar | Argh |
| 04:01.27 | kd3 | about as much as most other mounts do in their idle animation while hovering |
| 04:01.30 | Dagmar | It took me awhile to figure out what was not quite right with the kites... the wing-flap bobbing needs to go |
| 04:01.48 | Dagmar | The hubcaps don't bob, although it wouldn't hurt if they did it when still |
| 04:01.58 | Dagmar | Kites are generally really stable in that respect |
| 04:04.51 | kd3 | and... grr. I've just got my [Pilgrim] title... where's my damned minipet? |
| 04:05.58 | Dagmar | The turkey or something, isn't it? |
| 04:06.03 | kd3 | yup |
| 04:06.15 | Dagmar | It should come in the mail |
| 04:06.41 | Dagmar | Yeah, verified against Wowhead |
| 04:07.07 | kd3 | yah, that's what I expected, but I was also expecting the mail to come instantly like it did ~20 minutes earlier for pandarian ambassador |
| 04:08.38 | Dagmar | They're probably using Exchange on the backend now. |
| 04:08.39 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 04:08.47 | kd3 | ugh |
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| 04:52.14 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar: nah, even azeroth uses google apps |
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| 05:43.37 | kd3 | hahaha; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF_nfazQaek |
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| 05:44.51 | karl_w_w | hey kd3 |
| 05:45.00 | kd3 | 'lo |
| 05:45.06 | karl_w_w | wanna train to become a mechanic and then come replace my head gasket? |
| 05:45.18 | kd3 | no? |
| 05:45.27 | Kaylin | if you know what I mean? |
| 05:46.18 | karl_w_w | hey Kaylin, wanna come round my place and inspect my head, if you know what I mean? |
| 05:46.42 | Kaylin | sorry, pretty asexual here =/ |
| 05:46.49 | Thunder_Child | Make sure to bring a magnifying glass Kaylin |
| 05:46.56 | Kaylin | >_> |
| 05:47.13 | Thunder_Child | and tweezers |
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| 06:14.58 | kd3 | ! |
| 06:15.05 | kd3 | The investigation into the explosion in Indianapolis that killed two, destroyed two homes and damaged dozens more is being turned into a criminal homicide investigation [Followup] |
| 06:15.15 | kd3 | http://www.wthr.com/story/20140143/indianapolis-explosion-investigated-as-criminal-homicide |
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| 06:34.43 | d0cipx | i'm in infosec what's up |
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| 06:56.38 | d0cipx | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-onfWqc0QFs |
| 07:05.50 | haste | chiel: tend to sleep at 0:45 AM on weekdays :P |
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| 07:22.04 | Primer | wtf, is tree form no longer a stance? |
| 07:22.45 | Primer | All my healing macros break when I'm in tree form |
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| 07:41.24 | karl_w_w | is 5.1 this week? |
| 07:41.30 | karl_w_w | 8 hour maintenance |
| 07:41.35 | karl_w_w | so could be |
| 07:46.32 | Adys | unlikely |
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| 08:17.51 | nevcairiel | Primer: its a form, not a stance anymore. |
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| 08:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | for macro purposes [stance:number] works still, but keep in mind the number may be different depending on your glyphs and whatnot |
| 08:28.06 | Mr_Rabies | i thiiiiink |
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| 08:33.56 | Vlad| | !lua print() |
| 08:33.57 | batbot | Vlad|: |
| 08:46.26 | Primer | nevcairiel: it's still a stance |
| 08:46.27 | Primer | it's 7 |
| 08:46.38 | Primer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.49 | Primer | it used to be 6 |
| 08:48.18 | nevcairiel | its unreliable, its always your number of stances + 1 |
| 08:48.34 | nevcairiel | considering its a temporary shapeshift, i would just ignore it :p |
| 08:48.35 | Primer | it's reliable if you add spec |
| 08:48.48 | Primer | negative, as I use it for macros |
| 08:48.51 | Primer | and it's working fine |
| 08:49.10 | nevcairiel | sure its working fine, im just questing the usefulness :P |
| 08:49.16 | nevcairiel | questioning |
| 08:49.21 | Primer | why? |
| 08:49.28 | Primer | it's mighty useful in macros |
| 08:50.07 | nevcairiel | i change my healing behaviour on my own when i activate the incarnation, using macros for this temporary case sounds mighty confusing |
| 08:50.20 | Primer | to you, perhaps |
| 08:50.36 | Primer | for me it was part of a macro that stopped working when it changed to 7 |
| 08:50.52 | Primer | when using incarnation, that is |
| 08:51.01 | nevcairiel | eh, at the time it changed to 7, incarnation was also new |
| 08:51.05 | nevcairiel | before it didnt exist |
| 08:51.27 | Primer | before it was just tree form |
| 08:51.42 | Primer | regardless, my macro now works again |
| 08:54.56 | zenzio | I remember when tree form was new, how weird it felt fighting in a forest |
| 08:55.14 | zenzio | then we changed to use more paladin healers in our raids |
| 08:57.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'm so glad they made it a cooldown |
| 08:57.31 | Mr_Rabies | permatreeform was the worst |
| 08:57.52 | Mr_Rabies | i've always had a pretty negative association with resto druids though |
| 08:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | in my head i think of just mindlessly spamming healing touch for hours in MC |
| 09:00.15 | nevcairiel | Primer: doesnt the index also depend on if you have the perma-treeform glyph or not? Hope you dont switch it regularly :D |
| 09:04.47 | karl_w_w | the problem with tree form for me is it's so ugly compared to nelf females :P |
| 09:05.24 | karl_w_w | and it's extremely rare to find nelfs of other classes |
| 09:05.46 | karl_w_w | u get the odd priest, and sometimes a hunter but the hunters are always male it seems |
| 09:07.29 | zenzio | I've had quite a few male night elves in my guilds, usually warriors or rogues |
| 09:08.34 | nevcairiel | the new treeform looks good |
| 09:08.38 | nevcairiel | the temporary one |
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| 09:41.55 | chiel | haste: hah, i have no idea where you live mate, always worth a shot! :D |
| 09:43.56 | haste | Norway, so GMT+1 |
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| 09:57.55 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 09:58.51 | haste | hey Fisker |
| 09:59.49 | Fisker | hey |
| 09:59.51 | Fisker | what up? |
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| 10:14.49 | chiel | haste: ah, fair enough, I am in London at the moment. |
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| 11:00.55 | mitch0 | bye bye London-don-don-don goooood bye |
| 11:03.02 | Wobin | hahaha |
| 11:03.12 | Wobin | Got requested to be kicked from the group |
| 11:03.17 | Wobin | cause I wasn't doing much dps |
| 11:03.20 | Wobin | (as a healer) |
| 11:04.37 | karl_w_w | you bad |
| 11:05.10 | Wobin | inorite? |
| 11:05.31 | Wobin | was a pretty good run otherwise |
| 11:05.35 | Wobin | lbrs |
| 11:05.50 | Wobin | does that even show up in the 'random dungeon'? |
| 11:05.55 | Vlad| | Wobin /sigh |
| 11:05.59 | Wobin | or was I one level too low? |
| 11:06.04 | Vlad| | people like you make this game into what it currently is :( |
| 11:06.19 | Wobin | Vlad|: and that is... |
| 11:06.20 | Vlad| | lol jk where do you play? :P |
| 11:06.24 | Vlad| | (slackers :P) |
| 11:06.27 | Wobin | oh |
| 11:06.34 | Vlad| | antisocial slackers that get carried and are selfish :P |
| 11:06.34 | Wobin | yeah, I can do that funky aoe dps thing? |
| 11:06.37 | Vlad| | tihi |
| 11:06.44 | Vlad| | what eu realm you game on? |
| 11:06.50 | Wobin | but I feel really inadequate when a dps monk does it |
| 11:06.57 | Wobin | nah, US |
| 11:07.00 | chiel | so I'll try again here.. anyone play arms warrior in pve? :) |
| 11:07.00 | Vlad| | :< |
| 11:07.19 | Wobin | chiel: I -did- ... well.. 6months ago =P |
| 11:07.34 | chiel | hah, fair enough |
| 11:07.39 | chiel | that's like a whole different game! |
| 11:07.44 | Wobin | It so is >< |
| 11:07.53 | Wobin | that's why I've been levelling a pandamonk |
| 11:08.08 | chiel | I'm trying to figure out how much dps I *should* be doing on a raid dummy. |
| 11:08.13 | Wobin | so I can relearn how to play, rather than be at 85 going "... oh god, so many buttons" |
| 11:08.54 | Wobin | Thankfully, levelling is pretty fast now, with heirloom gear |
| 11:10.20 | Wobin | (PS Vlad|, if you didn't pick it up, I was the healer in the run =P) |
| 11:10.51 | chiel | meh, it's not that bad tbh |
| 11:11.01 | chiel | the way I do it is just put all abilities on my bars |
| 11:11.03 | Wobin | I can't wait til level 61 and Uplift. I have a terrible time snap healing when everyone grabs aggro |
| 11:11.06 | chiel | and reorder as I go along |
| 11:11.20 | chiel | that just means your tank is shit. |
| 11:11.25 | Wobin | well, yes =) |
| 11:11.32 | Wobin | and the dps overeager =) |
| 11:11.47 | Wobin | I don't mind too much, if I can keep up |
| 11:11.47 | nevcairiel | i havent healed on my pandamonk yet, but granted i'm only 65 or so |
| 11:11.58 | Wobin | makes it more challenging |
| 11:12.09 | chiel | I tried panda to about level 20 |
| 11:12.18 | chiel | I had a lot of fun, but I already have so many characters :p |
| 11:12.31 | chiel | I played all other tanking classes in the game so I just wanted to give it a shot. |
| 11:12.41 | Wobin | I really like the brewmaster pulling technique |
| 11:12.41 | nevcairiel | i kinda quite playing again, maybe one day i will finish my panda |
| 11:12.50 | nevcairiel | it was fun to play |
| 11:12.50 | Wobin | "Cover the room in barrels of alcohol" |
| 11:12.53 | nevcairiel | dps and tank |
| 11:13.01 | chiel | haha, yeah, but I heard monk tanks are kinda subpar atm |
| 11:13.11 | chiel | in fairness, I've mostly seens monks as dps and healers |
| 11:13.14 | Wobin | I don't think there's another tanking class that can pull quite so broadly as a brewmaster |
| 11:13.17 | chiel | which seem to be fairly OP specs at the moment. |
| 11:13.22 | nevcairiel | the only place where this would matter is endgame raiding anyway |
| 11:13.32 | chiel | yeah I don't think so either. |
| 11:13.41 | chiel | but meh, as my warrior I have no problems pulling large groups. |
| 11:13.47 | nevcairiel | in dungeons monk tanks are fine, i healed quite a few on my druid |
| 11:13.51 | chiel | Obviously it's not as fool-proof if your dps are overeager |
| 11:13.54 | Wobin | I think Uplift makes for a really good raid healer |
| 11:14.09 | chiel | since you're only gonna have solid aggro on 2 targets (heroic throw/charge) |
| 11:14.10 | Wobin | your HoT travels around, and uplift heals anyone with the hot on them |
| 11:14.30 | chiel | you kidding me? "really good raid healer" is not the word, haha |
| 11:14.35 | chiel | they're fucking op atm as healers |
| 11:14.51 | Wobin | I hope I get a chance to try it before it's nerfed =) |
| 11:15.08 | chiel | getting nerfed upcoming patch, so doubt it :p |
| 11:15.14 | chiel | but it'll still be in a good place |
| 11:15.16 | Wobin | ah, alas =) |
| 11:15.21 | chiel | just not as ridiculous (specially in pvp) |
| 11:15.43 | Wobin | yeah, the Smart HoT is pretty damn good over 40 yards |
| 11:15.54 | chiel | yeah |
| 11:16.00 | chiel | like wild growth on a druid i guess |
| 11:16.06 | chiel | but that doesn't heal for spectacular amounts |
| 11:16.13 | chiel | it's a good heal, but not OMFGinsane |
| 11:16.34 | Wobin | I only ever have to directheal the dps when they've got aggro |
| 11:16.57 | chiel | that's pretty much the case with druids as well though |
| 11:17.01 | Wobin | yeah |
| 11:17.05 | chiel | unless there's raid-wide damage. |
| 11:17.16 | Wobin | well, I don't even have to cast the HoT on them, just on the tank |
| 11:17.22 | chiel | op :p |
| 11:17.28 | chiel | i mainly just play my warrior |
| 11:17.37 | chiel | my druid is 90 as well, but it's mostly cause he's my gatherer :p |
| 11:17.39 | Wobin | I hear their dps is through the roof atm |
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| 11:26.36 | chiel | druid? |
| 11:26.40 | chiel | as feral perhaps |
| 11:26.43 | chiel | balance is falling behind atm |
| 11:26.49 | Wobin | warrior |
| 11:28.12 | chiel | ah right |
| 11:28.14 | chiel | well |
| 11:28.19 | chiel | they are op in pvp |
| 11:28.26 | chiel | but in pve it's not too bad, I believe |
| 11:28.31 | chiel | i'm not really sure :) |
| 11:29.04 | chiel | i'm contemplating going dps as my mainspec since my guild seems to have most trouble finding decent dps (i am MT atm) |
| 11:29.17 | chiel | but would need a replacement tank in that case |
| 11:33.20 | chiel | haste: anyway, I wanted to ask you about something.... |
| 11:34.01 | chiel | the addon I am making keeps throwing PROTECTED lua errors regarding trying to apply a bunch of functions on "CompactPartyFrame" |
| 11:34.10 | chiel | I don't actually use that in my addon though |
| 11:34.22 | tlund | you are probably using or leaking a global |
| 11:34.29 | chiel | it appears to complain mostly in combat |
| 11:34.35 | tlund | yes, it only happens in combat |
| 11:34.42 | chiel | a leaking global |
| 11:34.43 | chiel | hmm |
| 11:34.47 | tlund | since the tainted functions works out of combat |
| 11:34.58 | chiel | I see |
| 11:35.05 | chiel | any tips for chasing it down? |
| 11:35.08 | tlund | so have a look at ALL of your variables that are not local |
| 11:35.30 | tlund | if you do "foo = <whatever>" instead of "local foo = <whatever>" you are probably doing it wrong :) |
| 11:35.32 | chiel | hmm.. is it possible in lua to declare functions without `local` in front of them? |
| 11:35.35 | chiel | i see |
| 11:35.46 | chiel | i'll look through that tonight, the errors are driving me bonkers. |
| 11:35.49 | chiel | i only noticed it yesterday |
| 11:36.01 | chiel | i've only been toying around with that stuff for about 2 days |
| 11:36.07 | chiel | it's pretty interesting |
| 11:37.56 | chiel | tlund: do you have any idea why it would specifically complain about `CompactPartyFrame` though? |
| 11:38.08 | chiel | could it be i named a variable the same as something used in that function? |
| 11:38.14 | tlund | because the variable tainted is used by blizzards protected code for the partyframe |
| 11:38.30 | chiel | makes sense |
| 11:38.38 | chiel | hopefully i can find it fast-ish :) |
| 11:38.39 | tlund | and remember, the variable "_" is (by misstake) declared a global by blizzard |
| 11:38.51 | chiel | ah i see |
| 11:38.55 | tlund | so if you do _, _, blah = somefunction() you need to put "local" in front of it |
| 11:39.06 | chiel | i have used that one a few times, but i believe i always put _ in front of it |
| 11:39.11 | chiel | but i'll have to double check |
| 11:39.17 | chiel | err, i always put local in front of it * |
| 11:40.35 | chiel | cool, hopefully i can fix it tonight |
| 11:40.41 | chiel | i should really put that code on github though |
| 11:40.48 | chiel | it's only sitting on my windows machine at the moment |
| 11:41.14 | tlund | no no, not github |
| 11:41.15 | tlund | curse |
| 11:43.38 | chiel | well it's just for me at the moment |
| 11:43.43 | chiel | and i'm familiar with github :) |
| 11:43.53 | chiel | at least if my windows machine dies it'll be backed up somewhere :p |
| 11:44.46 | Wobin | wowace/curseforge have git repos |
| 11:45.08 | Wobin | as do wowi |
| 11:45.27 | chiel | yeah, but i don't really want to share it just yet haha |
| 11:45.30 | chiel | it's a bloody mess |
| 11:45.34 | chiel | actually, i tell a lie |
| 11:45.40 | chiel | it's pretty well organised so far |
| 11:45.54 | chiel | i need to figure out how to embed oUF though |
| 11:45.59 | chiel | so it's a nice self-contained package |
| 11:46.21 | chiel | if only i could embed weakauras as well! :) |
| 11:46.25 | Wobin | you can add it as a library in wowi |
| 11:46.27 | Wobin | er wowace |
| 11:46.43 | Wobin | and it'll handle the embedding of all the libraries |
| 11:48.03 | chiel | hmm |
| 11:48.15 | chiel | well I kinda meant that weakauras would have a programmable api |
| 11:48.16 | chiel | from lua |
| 11:48.22 | chiel | rather than having to configure it all in game. |
| 11:48.28 | chiel | seems easier :p |
| 11:49.46 | Wobin | You probably could |
| 11:49.59 | Wobin | of course, that means -writing- the api |
| 11:50.35 | chiel | yeah :p |
| 11:50.53 | chiel | with my (currently) somewhat limited knowledge of lua, that's probably a bad idea. :D |
| 11:54.47 | Wobin | you won't learn unless you try! |
| 11:55.04 | Wobin | of course, that's if WeakAuras is written well =P |
| 11:56.00 | chiel | hehe, well... so far i seem to be doing okay. i have a fair amount of knowledge of other languages |
| 11:56.11 | chiel | (working as a software engineer, i should!) |
| 11:56.33 | zenzio | "If your taking hits your undergeared"... gnrgh |
| 11:56.37 | chiel | weakauras works like a charm though, in terms of in-game config |
| 11:56.46 | chiel | logic, that statement has none? :D |
| 11:57.14 | Wobin | ... "you're" |
| 11:57.24 | Wobin | why can't people get that right? =( |
| 11:57.46 | chiel | because english isn't everyone's first language? :p |
| 11:57.57 | Wobin | most ESL people get that right |
| 11:58.05 | Wobin | because it makes sense |
| 11:58.07 | chiel | esl? |
| 11:58.08 | Wobin | "You are" |
| 11:58.15 | Wobin | English Second Language |
| 11:58.22 | chiel | preaching to the choir mate :) |
| 11:58.28 | chiel | i don't understand either, but oh well |
| 11:58.40 | chiel | english isn't my first language either |
| 11:58.48 | Wobin | The people who are worst at English are usually the native speakers |
| 11:58.56 | Wobin | because they don't bother to learn |
| 11:59.05 | chiel | yeah |
| 11:59.10 | chiel | when it comes to grammar and all |
| 11:59.21 | chiel | i've seen british people absolutely butcher the language |
| 11:59.33 | Wobin | That's just the welsh. They can't help that =P |
| 12:06.36 | Vlad| | lfg dailys |
| 12:06.52 | Vlad| | lucky americans don't get to see how the eu channels are :P |
| 12:07.20 | Wobin | we figure you have Fisker |
| 12:07.24 | Wobin | and that's explanation enough |
| 12:08.00 | Vlad| | I wanna know how dailies became dailys |
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| 12:10.58 | zenzio | "y" seems to be one of the more tricky ones |
| 12:11.14 | zenzio | I see "dieing" a lot |
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| 12:30.05 | Vlad| | lol |
| 12:30.10 | Vlad| | dieing :P |
| 12:31.06 | Vlad| | I correct people when I see dailyes and people call me for grammar nazi |
| 12:31.19 | Vlad| | but I think it's the communities duty to help those on the wrong path :P |
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| 12:36.38 | zenzio | I generally only correct people in my guild or groups, but the occasional random |
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| 12:46.27 | Vlad| | you know when you sit in the cafeteria and someone chews with their mouth open |
| 12:46.30 | Vlad| | friend or not! |
| 12:46.37 | Vlad| | I'd say "hey, can you please close your mouth?" :P |
| 12:46.39 | Vlad| | if it annoys me ofc |
| 12:46.44 | Vlad| | like if I sit next to them or behind lol |
| 12:47.16 | Vlad| | feels wrong when I read others saying dailys, besides they teach others that read the chat and they think that's how you type it, when they don't know better. |
| 12:49.57 | Vlad| | hehe, I learned how to solve 2x2 rubix :D |
| 12:51.08 | Vlad| | btw I like the punishment if you cheated arena mmr :D |
| 12:51.13 | Vlad| | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/244515-arena-exploitation-and-win-trading-updated/ |
| 13:00.47 | Vlad| | torhal deleted his PetTheory :( |
| 13:01.00 | Vlad| | nvm two words :p |
| 13:12.00 | Vlad| | sent mail to the board that handles html standards decsions, still no reply :/ |
| 13:12.08 | Vlad| | I guess my mail was flagged spam :p |
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| 13:17.42 | wereHamster | would it be fair use if I use some wow in-game footage in my own video? |
| 13:19.58 | zenzio | your own video? |
| 13:23.34 | wereHamster | a promotional video for a game that I'm working on. |
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| 13:24.14 | wereHamster | there are only a couple scenes of wow in-game footage, as a way to compare and contrast what is similar and what is different between my game and wow |
| 13:24.43 | zenzio | afraid I don't know enough about such things |
| 13:24.52 | zenzio | but out of curiosity, is your game single- or multiplayer? |
| 13:24.59 | wereHamster | both |
| 13:25.28 | wereHamster | it's like wow but without the grinding, farming and leveling. Just the boss encounters. |
| 13:26.04 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 13:26.20 | zenzio | sounds potentially interesting |
| 13:26.29 | wereHamster | plus, you can design/script your own encounters (in theory) |
| 13:26.35 | Vlad| | not sure legally how blizz will react if you don't get a permit, not sure how it works :P |
| 13:28.40 | Vlad| | glamrock is awesome http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQMBz6HvSoM |
| 13:29.17 | mitch0 | damn, /home is almost full... stupid 80GB hard drive :( |
| 13:29.32 | zenzio | SSD? |
| 13:29.36 | mitch0 | haha |
| 13:29.39 | mitch0 | no ;) |
| 13:29.45 | Vlad| | :P |
| 13:29.55 | mitch0 | workstation @work |
| 13:29.58 | mitch0 | cheap bastards |
| 13:30.01 | zenzio | I hope that ";)" means "yes" |
| 13:30.12 | mitch0 | erm, no :( |
| 13:30.15 | zenzio | 80 GB HDD must be what, eight years old at least? |
| 13:30.41 | mitch0 | probably more |
| 13:30.58 | mitch0 | and it probably cost as much as a 500GB if bought from a normal supplier... |
| 13:31.33 | zenzio | sounds about right |
| 13:32.10 | karl_w_w | 80gb wow |
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| 13:32.27 | karl_w_w | drop in the ocean |
| 13:32.39 | mitch0 | yeah... |
| 13:32.43 | zenzio | smallest HDD I can find on my regular webshop is 160 GB |
| 13:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god, not before breakfast...you guys are gonna kill me. |
| 13:33.02 | zenzio | only one model in the <200 GB range |
| 13:33.19 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: o_O |
| 13:33.38 | karl_w_w | i cant find one smaller than 500gb |
| 13:33.45 | karl_w_w | apart from SSDs |
| 13:34.18 | mitch0 | oh. I have most of an internal site mirrored |
| 13:34.25 | zenzio | oh good, a webservice with case sensitive GET-parameters... and incosistent case, some uppercase, some lowercase, so can't just uppercase/lowercase them all |
| 13:34.26 | karl_w_w | however i can find 64gb usb drives |
| 13:34.26 | mitch0 | rm -rf time ;) |
| 13:34.48 | zenzio | *inconsistent |
| 13:35.26 | karl_w_w | $32 for a 64gb USB drive, not bad :P |
| 13:36.07 | zenzio | USB2 I guess? |
| 13:36.12 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 13:36.19 | karl_w_w | $65 for 3.0 |
| 13:36.25 | zenzio | haven't tried 3, wonder how that speed would work |
| 13:37.19 | Vlad| | you wanna play wow at work? :P |
| 13:38.20 | zenzio | who said anything about WoW? |
| 13:38.57 | Vlad| | first I read "workstation @work" then later "80gb wow" so I assumed he meant that wow is 80gb (not sure why) so I got the idea he wanted wow on a drive to play at work lol :P |
| 13:39.31 | zenzio | WoW's not that large |
| 13:39.44 | zenzio | but "wow" is also an expression of surprise or astonishment |
| 13:39.50 | Vlad| | I know :p |
| 13:40.14 | Vlad| | but 80gb is quite a lot if you consider it's supposed to contain documents |
| 13:40.38 | Vlad| | remove media like video, audio, images, 80gb will last you for many years :P |
| 13:40.57 | haste | chiel: touching any of it? |
| 13:41.04 | zenzio | yes, hence the "wow", as in "wow, I didn't know drives were ever that small" |
| 13:44.41 | chiel | haste: touching any of what? oUF? |
| 13:45.06 | haste | chiel: Compact party/raid stuff |
| 13:45.32 | chiel | haste: nope, haven't been using any of that, that's why I was so curious. :p |
| 13:45.52 | haste | the taintlog might explain why |
| 13:45.56 | chiel | but like tlund said, perhaps i am leaking a global variable somewhere |
| 13:46.13 | chiel | it's just a bit annoying trying to find out actually WHERE it's happening :p |
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| 13:46.56 | haste | luac -l -p *.lua | grep SETGLOBAL |
| 13:47.00 | haste | \:D/ |
| 13:47.09 | chiel | ... O.o what? xD |
| 13:47.31 | chiel | does luac tells you when you're setting global vars or something? |
| 13:47.40 | haste | ys |
| 13:47.47 | haste | yes* |
| 13:47.48 | chiel | ah cool |
| 13:47.59 | chiel | i'm at work so i don't have my code here... :( |
| 13:48.00 | chiel | bummer. |
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| 14:06.01 | wereHamster | zenzio: 'a webservice with case sensitive GET-parameters', are you talking about the amazon API? |
| 14:06.15 | zenzio | nope, but something similar |
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| 14:12.04 | Vlad| | aren't all services case sensitive? I mean doing ?id=1 and ?ID=1 will be different types of get's :P |
| 14:12.14 | Vlad| | or you mean like /folder/ and /FOLDER/ |
| 14:12.30 | Vlad| | I think that is OS dependant no? I know unix likes case sensitivity :P |
| 14:24.14 | Fisker | my feet brrs haste |
| 14:25.26 | Fisker | http://www.wd.com/en/company/pressroom/releases/?release=c25077f3-7fbb-4045-9a7a-ef03ee6464ef |
| 14:25.27 | Fisker | yay |
| 14:26.43 | Lopeppeppy | Put on socks, Fisker. |
| 14:26.50 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:27.09 | alestane | Socks are Peppy's answer for nearly anything. |
| 14:27.31 | Fisker | what type of proxy should i use Lopeppeppy? |
| 14:29.55 | zenzio | well, SOCKS used to be a solution for a lot of things |
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| 14:31.35 | Kalroth | i wear socks |
| 14:31.59 | Lopeppeppy | Socks are evil. Evil is the answer to EVERY question. Therefore, socks fix everything that duct tape doesn't |
| 14:32.24 | zenzio | wonders if anyone actually understood the SOCKS reference :( |
| 14:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | winsocket! |
| 14:34.23 | zenzio | I remember messing around with it when first got multiple computers at home |
| 14:45.50 | harl | l8r |
| 14:51.28 | Wobin | trumpet winsock |
| 14:51.52 | Shirik | all you need in life is duct tape, socks, and a towel |
| 14:52.23 | Fisker | i once Shiriked a guy |
| 14:53.29 | Lopeppeppy | snorgles Shirik, because his luggage is off to New Zealand. |
| 14:53.38 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 14:53.45 | Fisker | guys a Shirik |
| 14:54.35 | alestane | Shirik, interesting blog. Pre-Priority Processing looks like the equivalent of what the Magic rules refer to as "state-based effects." |
| 14:54.49 | Shirik | I've been learning magic rules here and there and I came to the same conclusion |
| 14:55.12 | Shirik | Yesterday I learned about lapsing triggers and came to the conclusion that this seems like the worst idea, ever |
| 14:55.57 | alestane | Is that an MTG concept, or a WoW one? |
| 14:56.05 | Shirik | MTG |
| 14:56.13 | alestane | Well, if it were WoW, I guess you would have learned it before yesterday. |
| 14:56.53 | Shirik | It goes something like this. A card has a triggered effect on it. If it is a lapsing trigger (defined by what it does, usually beneficial to its controller), if the controller forgets about it, the opponent doesn't have to tell him, and it is not applied later in the game |
| 14:57.24 | Shirik | In WoW, all triggered effects are mandatory. If an opponent fails to remind him, that's misrepresenting information and a disqualification. |
| 14:57.35 | Shirik | (well, unless it says "may") |
| 14:58.10 | Shirik | if both players forget, we apply a warning to both and then force the trigger to happen immediately |
| 14:58.20 | Shirik | magic only does that for what they call "non-lapsing triggers" |
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| 15:03.21 | Shirik | Magic would be interesting to judge, I think, but they seem to have a lot of rules that are not player-friendly |
| 15:03.33 | Shirik | My new favorite card is their "Animate dead" which literally rewrites its own text as you play it |
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| 15:20.37 | karl_w_w | Shirik my throat feels like sandpaper |
| 15:20.56 | Shirik | you should try using sandpaper to make it smooth |
| 15:21.23 | karl_w_w | good idea |
| 15:32.03 | alestane | Shirik, I invariably run into that on the rare occasions I play tournaments. Some card will have an effect like "At the beginning of your upkeep, pay 2 or sacrifice CARDNAME." I'll draw a card and my opponent will promptly tell me "Since you didn't pay 2, you chose to sacrifice that card" and wait for me to put it into my graveyard. |
| 15:32.49 | Shirik | yeah that sounds awful |
| 15:33.59 | alestane | You have to remember every one of those things yourself, and your opponent will typically take every lapse as rope to hang you with. |
| 15:36.41 | Shirik | Here's an example that seems equivalent http://www.tcgbrowser.com/#!/cardid=333 |
| 15:37.12 | Shirik | Since it does not say 'may', it is mandatory, and one of those two things must be done. Both you and your opponent are responsible for ensuring that one of those things happens before you draw. |
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| 15:56.44 | Vlad| | http://youtube.com/watch?v=kVoKSjLt8bc#t=10s lazy cat :P |
| 15:57.55 | Dagmar | Not lazy, just refusing to cooperate |
| 15:58.12 | Dagmar | Cats go boneless like that when they want nothing to do with whatever the hell you're trying to do with 'em |
| 16:03.49 | Adys | "Kickstarter countdown: 5 days and $18K+ left to raise. Warp Speed!!" |
| 16:03.55 | Adys | it's kinda funny seeing that |
| 16:04.11 | Adys | SC just gets you used to the idea that $18k is something you raise in about 5 minutes |
| 16:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, when you get back, I'm a need some bail money, stat. Premeditated murder, 1st degree. |
| 16:07.20 | Dagmar | Adys: If you're Humble BUndle it generally is |
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| 16:10.47 | alestane | Who are you slaughtering now, Peppy? |
| 16:13.32 | alestane | That's a very comparable example, Shirik; the main difference is that in a MTG tournament, since it says that you destroy the card unless you pay, your opponent can argue that by drawing, you chose not to pay and it is therefore being destroyed. |
| 16:14.12 | alestane | Nobody has to say "Which of those options are you choosing?" |
| 16:14.46 | Shirik | maybe I'm biased because "this is the way I learned it" but I think that's awful |
| 16:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | I will be splashing sheeple guts all over her office. "Help documents? I don't read those." |
| 16:15.39 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:15.41 | Shirik | sounds about accurate |
| 16:16.39 | alestane | It's certainly not beginner-friendly, Shirik. It leads to a certain sharking mentality where everyone is busy watching for their opponent's failures. I don't care for it much myself. |
| 16:17.00 | alestane | You mean those documents you spend hours writing, Peppy? |
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| 16:21.58 | Lopeppeppy | Gonna f'ing kill her, alestane. I just went and spent an hour showing her the doc for what she wanted to do, making her read it, and then do it. KINDERGARTEN HELP DESK. |
| 16:22.56 | alestane | Is this the same person you have to re-teach copy-paste every year? |
| 16:23.41 | Lopeppeppy | One of them, yes. |
| 16:24.15 | alestane | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2322 , Dagmar. "We tried moving Emily but she did that floppy thing cats do when they don't want to be picked up." |
| 16:25.17 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie was *champion* at dead-cat-puddle. |
| 16:25.57 | alestane | Alas, poor Rosie. |
| 16:26.37 | Shirik | I wish some of the people I worked with forgot copy paste |
| 16:26.41 | Lopeppeppy | Indeed. I miss my Frankencat some days. |
| 16:26.54 | Shirik | Seriously one of our developers only writes code via copy-paste |
| 16:27.07 | Shirik | I am amazed when I watch him write something |
| 16:27.16 | Shirik | I think he's afraid of the keyboard or something |
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| 16:28.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3KdpzL3Hkk unexpectedly awesome |
| 16:29.06 | TC-work | Shirik: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/cartoon-drones/1424414/ |
| 16:29.56 | Lopeppeppy | I admit that I totally go out and plagiarize the web for some starting point code, but then you gotta roll up your sleeves and go all Edward Scissorhands on it. |
| 16:32.52 | Shirik | TC-work: Awesome |
| 16:33.00 | Shirik | no Lopeppeppy, I don't think you understand |
| 16:33.13 | Shirik | if he needs to write one line, instead of typing out a variable or something, he will go up three lines, select it, copy it into place |
| 16:33.16 | Shirik | then he needs a dot |
| 16:33.20 | Shirik | so he will find a dot, and copy that |
| 16:33.30 | Shirik | repeat until done |
| 16:33.45 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, that's just freaky. |
| 16:33.59 | Lopeppeppy | Dude needs some Thorazine. |
| 16:34.24 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:34.24 | Shirik | this is the same guy I had to talk to about why 1 + (-1) = 0 |
| 16:34.47 | Shirik | honestly I wish we could fire him |
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| 16:35.06 | Fisker | hey g0urra |
| 16:36.49 | Lopeppeppy | Even I know that answer, Shirik. I wish I were a programmer so I could use my murderous urges on him and steal his job! |
| 16:36.58 | karl_w_w | why wouldn't 1 + (-1) = 0 ? |
| 16:37.10 | Shirik | it was a while ago so I forget what broken logic he was using |
| 16:37.24 | Shirik | but suffice to say he does not possess the skills of a competent developer |
| 16:38.46 | karl_w_w | or a receptionist |
| 16:39.04 | Fisker | wanna receptionize karl_w_w ? |
| 16:39.12 | karl_w_w | with you? no |
| 16:39.35 | alestane | Shirik, I had one student who told me, when I gave the class a diesign paper assignment, that he "couldn't write." |
| 16:39.41 | TC-work | Why would you want to with anyone? |
| 16:39.42 | alestane | design* |
| 16:40.11 | alestane | He seemed to think that that meant I had to change the assignment or exempt him. |
| 16:40.25 | TC-work | alestane: that's when you fail him and send him back to elementary school |
| 16:40.27 | Shirik | how can you not write? |
| 16:40.31 | alestane | He wanted to be a game coder and referred to himself as a "good programmer." |
| 16:41.07 | karl_w_w | head in the clouds |
| 16:41.21 | alestane | Which is a joke all by itself, but if you "can't write", why would you undertake a job that *consists almost entirely of writing down descriptions and explanations?* |
| 16:42.20 | alestane | And I saw one piece of his code; we were working in GameMaker, and he insisted o doing everything in GML rather than the GUI action descriptions, because "in the real world, programmers don't use things like that." |
| 16:43.58 | alestane | And creating a jump action on his main character, he didn't use GameMaker's physics engine, instead moving the character up and down himself in an OnUpdate; he moved the character up and down linearly in a "saw-tooth" jump; he tracked the length of the jump in a global variable; and the global variable in question was called "taco". |
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| 16:44.23 | alestane | I had to tell him that he might have been a good programmer in 1983. |
| 16:44.43 | alestane | (Never mind that he hadn't even been BORN in 1983) |
| 16:45.37 | alestane | Shirik, you wanna tell us more about how real, professional programmers don't use diagramming GUIs or other graphical coding tools? |
| 16:45.40 | nevcairiel | if thats true, that was a sad time to be a programmer |
| 16:46.03 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:46.14 | nevcairiel | to be honest, i dont use any graphical tools |
| 16:46.28 | Shirik | to be fair, it's still somewhat "cutting edge" |
| 16:46.41 | Shirik | however, not using them is definitely on the "older" side |
| 16:46.47 | nevcairiel | not that i would know of one that could really help me |
| 16:46.53 | nevcairiel | but maybe thats just from the lack of looking |
| 16:47.54 | alestane | Anyway, I have to run. Someone stopp Peppy from doing reckless murder, or at least get her a good alibi. |
| 16:48.06 | nevcairiel | depends on who |
| 16:48.13 | nevcairiel | .. is being murdered |
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| 16:51.00 | pompy | http://amzn.com/B007ZQAKHU |
| 16:51.31 | nevcairiel | quite cheap |
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| 16:56.02 | pompy | yeah, liughtning deal! |
| 16:56.13 | nevcairiel | already own it =p |
| 17:02.11 | TC-work | they had it as a gold box last week for $40 i picked it up then |
| 17:04.11 | pompy | damn lol |
| 17:04.42 | pompy | hm they have a router for $17 |
| 17:05.14 | pompy | http://amzn.com/B003WOWB62 |
| 17:05.22 | pompy | wonder why that page doesnt show the deal price |
| 17:05.43 | TC-work | because it's been 100% claimeds |
| 17:05.48 | TC-work | claimed* |
| 17:05.58 | TC-work | so now you have to go on a waitlist |
| 17:06.03 | pompy | truth |
| 17:06.08 | Shirik | why does that say switch |
| 17:06.09 | pompy | and stilll 2.5 hrs left lol |
| 17:06.42 | TC-work | as opposed to what Shirik? |
| 17:06.50 | Shirik | apparently it is a switch |
| 17:06.59 | Shirik | I assumed it was a router |
| 17:07.21 | Adys | A++ amazon |
| 17:07.31 | pompy | theres a lot of grammar mistakes on the description on that page |
| 17:07.38 | pompy | someone had a broken spacebar! |
| 17:07.39 | pompy | heh |
| 17:07.55 | TC-work | points at pompy's faux pas |
| 17:08.05 | pompy | yah |
| 17:08.07 | Adys | postal service screws up, sends my parcel to someone else. An email to amazon, they send another in first class, arrives the next day AND reimburse me the postage from the first parcel |
| 17:08.08 | pompy | "throughtput" |
| 17:08.11 | pompy | -t? |
| 17:08.49 | TC-work | Adys: welcome to people that do it right |
| 17:09.03 | Adys | yeah, i dont think ive ever been disappointed by amazon CS |
| 17:09.15 | Adys | they'll do anything you ask, twice, for free and while giving you a bj |
| 17:09.31 | Adys | A good one too, not with teeth or something |
| 17:09.37 | Adys | right Kalroth? |
| 17:09.40 | TC-work | because they know that the loss of the item + postage is worth keeping people as customers |
| 17:09.40 | Adys | fuck, kalroth's not here |
| 17:09.51 | Fisker | Google screws up, doesn't send my parcel at all, several e-mails to Google, and they don't give a fuck, but reimburses shipping costs |
| 17:09.53 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:10.12 | Adys | yeah, google is definitely NOT a retailer |
| 17:10.15 | Shirik | omg |
| 17:10.21 | Shirik | when is Google going to get into the delivery service? |
| 17:10.25 | Shirik | I think that is a brilliant idea |
| 17:10.29 | Adys | definitely not |
| 17:10.37 | Shirik | all that stuff they could track |
| 17:10.38 | Adys | if theres anything google doesnt know how to do it's human relations |
| 17:10.41 | Shirik | (brilliant for them, that is) |
| 17:10.43 | Vlad| | I sent two or three mails about my account, no reply even :P |
| 17:10.58 | Vlad| | don't think support is their strong side |
| 17:10.59 | Adys | im pretty sure they're just all robots at this point |
| 17:11.08 | Adys | you get hired and enslaved by a bunch of robots |
| 17:11.10 | Vlad| | it's all bots :P |
| 17:11.15 | TC-work | Shirik should fit right in then Adys |
| 17:11.34 | Adys | they're just powered by your human energy |
| 17:11.39 | Adys | WHICH EXPLAINS WHY THERES GREAT FOOD |
| 17:11.48 | Adys | Shit, I'm on to something here |
| 17:12.03 | nevcairiel | if Adys doesnt come back tomorrow, they got him |
| 17:12.17 | TC-work | But at least he will have good food |
| 17:12.34 | Adys | fuck yeah |
| 17:12.39 | nevcairiel | and be robot food |
| 17:12.40 | Fisker | not even sure Amazon needs to give a fuck |
| 17:12.42 | Adys | I'll live a battery's life if it means awesome food |
| 17:12.48 | Fisker | they sent my Transformer in a brown plastic coat |
| 17:12.53 | Fisker | was warstomped when it got here |
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| 17:12.58 | Fisker | Amazon didn't give a fuck |
| 17:13.01 | nevcairiel | that was my fault |
| 17:13.02 | Adys | I'm amazingly happy though |
| 17:13.03 | Fisker | Just gave me a new one |
| 17:13.14 | Adys | after looking for one for a year I finally found a good, cheap, local fencing club |
| 17:13.15 | Fisker | even refunded international shipping |
| 17:13.45 | TC-work | Fencing would be good if it was practical, but no |
| 17:14.11 | Adys | how so TC-work? |
| 17:16.10 | TC-work | Adys: Because it teaches you to strike for the purpose of scoring a point, not killing your opponent. |
| 17:17.12 | Fisker | Adys |
| 17:20.38 | Lopeppeppy | Fencing teaches you to AIM your weapon. |
| 17:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | Very important skill. How can I accurately hamstring a zombie if I don't have precise control of my bladed weapon? |
| 17:21.20 | Neffi | But zombies are indifferent to ham and strings |
| 17:22.20 | Lopeppeppy | Still makes 'em shamble slower. |
| 17:23.07 | TC-work | Lopeppeppy: Fencing is with a foil, it's all about piercing, not slashing. |
| 17:25.52 | Adys | TC-work: theres other kinds of fencing too |
| 17:25.56 | Adys | not just foil |
| 17:26.19 | TC-work | true, but how much if any is slashing? |
| 17:26.38 | Adys | saber fencing for one is a lot more about slashing |
| 17:27.23 | Lopeppeppy | Any exercise that gets a geek out of the house and into public venues is good, IMO. :P |
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| 17:32.01 | TC-work | Agreed |
| 17:32.57 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Got your Ingress invite, did you |
| 17:34.13 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not an Android user, Dagmar. Ingress would do me no good. |
| 17:34.19 | Dagmar | Awww... |
| 17:34.49 | TC-work | I'm not sure ingress is such a good idea |
| 17:36.01 | Lopeppeppy | Me either, TC. I don't need an MMORPG on my friggin' phone. |
| 17:36.27 | TC-work | more like a MMLARPG |
| 17:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | LOLRPG? |
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| 17:37.50 | TC-work | either way, i have a feeling this can not end well |
| 17:38.40 | alestane | A while ago, someone recommended an alternate reference to cplusplus.com; anyone remember what it probably was? |
| 17:39.01 | TC-work | try ~Logs? |
| 17:39.34 | alestane | Like, months ago. |
| 17:39.40 | TC-work | nvm then |
| 17:47.16 | Arrowmaster | i just got unique xbox ambassador avatar items |
| 17:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. Need to get my grocery shopping in for the weekend tonight, or I'll get mugged by the crowds. |
| 17:58.44 | amro | anyone with a enUS d3 client? |
| 18:00.33 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 18:11.41 | chiel | Lopeppeppy: you live in the US? |
| 18:12.03 | chiel | (guessing due to thanksgiving? :p) |
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| 18:25.19 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/Steam/posts/10151154429272339 lol wtf "Availble" .. they've done that a few times already. |
| 18:43.26 | TC-work | http://what-if.xkcd.com/21/ awesome |
| 18:44.06 | Lopeppeppy | Chiel, I am indeed a US'ian. |
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| 18:53.24 | karl_w_w | To put it another way: If I mounted a GAU-8 on my car, put the car in neutral, and started firing backward from a standstill, I would be breaking the interstate speed limit in less than three seconds. |
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| 18:53.43 | Lopeppeppy | Hawt. |
| 18:55.15 | TC-work | that's 0-60 in 3.2 or so seconds |
| 18:55.34 | TC-work | well, he did say less than, so it could be lower |
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| 19:50.31 | amro | karl_w_w: nevermind, I nuked the directory and gave up on running it |
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| 20:40.41 | Lopeppeppy | Shopping list items: Coke, for the rum, and chocolate chip cookie dough, for the rum. |
| 20:40.57 | Unkle | Mmm... Rum. |
| 20:41.19 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. I'm gonna have to do some damage to someone right quick if this day doesn't end soon. :) |
| 20:42.15 | Unkle | I need a day I can take all our servers offline to fix something. I'm hoping I can do that on Friday. It's most frustrating. |
| 20:42.42 | Lopeppeppy | ... black Friday you wish to have ordering capability offlines? |
| 20:43.00 | Unkle | Not that server. |
| 20:43.13 | Unkle | Internal network stuffs. |
| 20:43.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, play on then, sir. F'em if they can't work without their precious servers! :) |
| 20:46.49 | Unkle | If I go taking these things offline (in pursuit of a thorny and most vexing DNS issue) then all other things that people need to work stop working. Like... say, email and file shares. |
| 20:47.22 | Unkle | So, I'm hoping everyone will be shopping on Friday and I can take these offline at will. |
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| 20:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | Tell them today that they have to suck it up on Friday and should clean out their files or something. |
| 20:54.00 | Unkle | Just had a chat with the boss, and he'll let me know later today. |
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| 21:00.49 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. Boss support is goodly. |
| 21:01.12 | Unkle | If I can't do it Friday, I'll have to do it Saturday. |
| 21:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | Why does my boss keep forwarding the emails that I write in "team tone" to other people! Argh. If I have to be formal with my team mates I'm gonna go postal. |
| 21:04.24 | TC-work | more postal* |
| 21:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | You're kinda right TC, this has been a postal two days for me. I think maybe my college is not handling the run up to the holidays very well. |
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| 21:21.22 | chiel | hm |
| 21:21.41 | chiel | I appear to have found the leaking function |
| 21:21.59 | chiel | it was in a tag function |
| 21:22.38 | chiel | it's kinda weird though, since the tag is defined as... function(unit, realUnit) |
| 21:22.48 | chiel | and then inside the function I do unit = unit || realUnit |
| 21:22.59 | chiel | err, unit = realUnit or unit |
| 21:23.04 | chiel | apparently it does not like that |
| 21:23.09 | chiel | I had to stick local in front of it.. |
| 21:23.12 | Dark_Elf | o.O |
| 21:25.26 | Dark_Elf | so in otherwords unit and realunit weren't defined? |
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| 21:33.40 | Neffi | chiel: Check for a typo, because that's absolutely not leaking |
| 21:33.46 | Neffi | arguments are local to the function body |
| 21:42.57 | Vlad| | :) |
| 21:45.50 | Neffi | at some point i seriously want to try this |
| 21:45.51 | Neffi | http://what-if.xkcd.com/imgs/a/21/jetpack_500.png |
| 21:46.40 | Dagmar | Woudn't it be simpler to just stand on a stick of TNT and set it off? |
| 21:47.30 | Neffi | not if i want to survive it |
| 21:47.53 | Neffi | but with some sort of shield, explosive liftoff is actually incredibly plausible |
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| 21:48.14 | Neffi | you can reliably accelerate a spacecraft with enough nukes on board and proper shielding |
| 21:48.18 | Dagmar | I'm more concerned about the instant accelleration |
| 21:48.23 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure it would crush your ankles |
| 21:48.40 | Neffi | Well consider the physics of it |
| 21:48.42 | Dagmar | Neffi: Umm... No. That's why it's called "science fiction" |
| 21:48.49 | Dagmar | It's not as simple as just popping off a nuke |
| 21:48.51 | Neffi | Not all of the force is going directly upward towards you |
| 21:49.05 | Neffi | A sphere of TNT will distribute its blast force equally in all directions |
| 21:49.12 | Vlad| | scifi and fantasy are different things :p |
| 21:49.25 | Neffi | Dagmar: It's definitely not as simple, but it's definitely plausible |
| 21:50.05 | Dagmar | If you believe in going to work by being shot out of a cannon, sure. |
| 21:50.19 | Neffi | Well that's just silly |
| 21:50.32 | Dagmar | So is trying to use 20-30 machine guns as a jetpack |
| 21:50.39 | Vlad| | if Neffi wants to go to work with a cannon, let him. |
| 21:50.39 | Neffi | But if your goal is to reach another planet, it could be a surprisingly good technique |
| 21:50.48 | Neffi | Dagmar: It's obviously facetious |
| 21:50.49 | chiel | Neffi: hmm.. weird. it' a bit annoying to test cause I need to be in combat and all :p |
| 21:51.14 | Neffi | chiel: Post the function body on pastebin? |
| 21:51.24 | chiel | sure one sec. |
| 21:52.50 | chiel | pastie.org/5408477 |
| 21:53.29 | alestane | Pretty sure I saw this before, but still hilarious: http://www.buzzfeed.com/paws/awkward-cat-sleeping-positions |
| 21:54.37 | Neffi | chiel: There's no way `unit` is leaking there |
| 21:54.42 | chiel | so before, instead of local unit =, I had just unit = '' |
| 21:54.44 | chiel | hmm |
| 21:54.46 | Neffi | even without `local ` in front |
| 21:55.00 | Vlad| | here is a sexist statement "I don't believe in something that bleeds for five days and doesn't die." - where is it from? |
| 21:55.03 | chiel | yeah, i thought it was a bit weird |
| 21:55.07 | chiel | i'll try removing it again |
| 21:55.22 | Neffi | It could be leaking elsewhere |
| 21:55.25 | Neffi | but it's simple to test |
| 21:55.48 | Vlad| | it's south park |
| 21:56.13 | TC-work | that expression has been around one hell of a lot longer than south park |
| 21:57.26 | Neffi | chiel: http://pastie.org/5408504 |
| 21:57.32 | Neffi | I bet you the leak is happening beforehand |
| 21:57.42 | Vlad| | I didn't know, TC. |
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| 21:58.31 | Neffi | Vlad|: Bloody Mary I think the episode is called |
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| 22:01.43 | Neffi | Now if you really want to argue impractical acceleration: http://what-if.xkcd.com/imgs/a/21/jetpack_speeding.png |
| 22:01.50 | chiel | ah, does _G stand for global, or something |
| 22:01.51 | chiel | ? |
| 22:02.01 | Neffi | _G is the global namespace |
| 22:02.03 | Neffi | A table |
| 22:02.15 | chiel | cool, like window in javascript then |
| 22:02.18 | Neffi | Any global `name` is equivalent to _G['name'] |
| 22:02.23 | chiel | but to be honest I can't seem to reproduce it now. |
| 22:02.23 | Neffi | maybe? |
| 22:02.41 | Neffi | It was definitely elsewhere, because such a function would definitely not leak in Lua |
| 22:02.56 | chiel | I removed some other code that I was changing, I bet it's that. |
| 22:03.01 | Vlad| | question |
| 22:03.07 | Neffi | answer |
| 22:03.17 | chiel | was attempting (and failing) to alter the PowerBarColor table. |
| 22:03.18 | Vlad| | licks Neffi. |
| 22:03.36 | chiel | so that's probably it. |
| 22:03.46 | Neffi | jumps into a scolding shower and scrubs furiously. |
| 22:04.06 | Vlad| | 's spit can not be washed away, it doesn't decay. |
| 22:05.06 | Neffi | skins himself. |
