| 00:03.15 | karl_w_w | what's a tiller token? |
| 00:03.50 | Ressy | ironpaw token |
| 00:07.28 | karl_w_w | nah they're cooking tokens |
| 00:07.53 | karl_w_w | and they're a currency anyway |
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| 00:33.39 | Vlad| | but did they add bags? :< |
| 00:33.47 | Vlad| | was reading something about 24 or 26 slots? |
| 00:35.09 | Ressy | cooking ingredient bag |
| 00:36.08 | Ressy | 28 cooking ingredient bag slot, upgradable via engineering to 32 then 36 |
| 00:36.17 | Kaylin | via engineering? |
| 00:36.18 | Kaylin | :O |
| 00:36.39 | Ressy | unless thats changed |
| 00:51.20 | Vlad| | shit |
| 00:51.25 | Vlad| | I was hoping for a normal bag :( |
| 00:51.48 | Vlad| | is it at least BoA so I can send it to my level 1 banker? :P |
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| 01:20.26 | p3lim | Is it just me or is youtube horribly slow these days? |
| 01:20.43 | Ressy | you |
| 01:28.50 | p3lim | Having issues loading 240p :/ |
| 01:31.26 | TC-work | no, it's youtube |
| 01:35.28 | Ressy | I'm having no problems whatsoever |
| 01:35.40 | Ressy | my ISP also has a google caching server tho. |
| 01:35.44 | Ressy | shrugs |
| 01:43.00 | Kraps | youtube is shite |
| 01:43.23 | Kraps | for being a google program |
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| 02:06.18 | karl_w_w | yeah it's youtube |
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| 06:44.10 | karl_w_w | <Arrowmaster> i would pay for hardware that requires no additional software, not craptastic macro software <- my $25 laser mouse stores everything in hardware, so it's not like it's hard/expensive to do |
| 06:48.42 | Arrowmaster | my mx518 is still kicking |
| 06:49.12 | karl_w_w | every mouse i ever bought, the wheel has died |
| 06:49.31 | karl_w_w | apart from my last logitech where the left click started double clicking of its own accord |
| 06:49.40 | Arrowmaster | i should contact logitech about getting replacement pads for my mouse just to see what they end up sending me |
| 06:51.07 | Arrowmaster | ive worn down the bottom of my mx518 so badly that not only are some of the pads gone but the outlines of the places where the pads went are worn down flat too |
| 06:52.04 | karl_w_w | yeah my logitech got to that stage as wekk |
| 06:52.06 | karl_w_w | well |
| 06:52.33 | Arrowmaster | lol http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ron36/ |
| 06:54.03 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 06:56.44 | karl_w_w | oh good, suggested post crap |
| 06:57.02 | karl_w_w | because facebook doesn't have enough terrible features |
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| 09:15.54 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ntPxdWAWq8 hahah |
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| 11:11.44 | zenzio | "The SMS Protect issues have worsened, preventing players from activating the service. Messages are often absent/delayed. Investigating..." |
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| 11:17.42 | Fisker | got a time traveling machine Stanzilla ? |
| 11:18.15 | Stanzilla | not yet |
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| 11:46.30 | mitch0 | then obviously you won't ever have one |
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| 11:53.05 | Vlad| | did bnet just die? |
| 11:58.01 | Neffi | So my beer just turned into a superfluid apparently, managed to spill on the keyboard without the glass tilting, only half full, no condensation. No non-quantum explanation to be found. |
| 11:59.16 | zenzio | you spit, didn't you |
| 12:00.19 | Neffi | >_> |
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| 12:57.03 | Semlar | neffi, you may have beer faeries.. |
| 12:57.12 | Neffi | beer faeries? |
| 12:57.18 | Semlar | beer faeries. |
| 12:57.36 | Neffi | why faeries man? |
| 12:58.36 | Semlar | hey, the beer didn't get out of there on its own |
| 12:58.58 | Neffi | Not goblins or ghouls or entities or demons? |
| 12:59.18 | Semlar | definitely fairies |
| 12:59.27 | Neffi | =( |
| 13:05.02 | Semlar | it kills me that these quest api functions that actually take quest IDs only return a value if it's in your quest log |
| 13:06.23 | Semlar | i was hoping to be able to get information about quests you weren't currently on |
| 13:11.33 | Semlar | i've seen a few interface screenshots with bars under their minimaps and i haven't been able to identify what they are |
| 13:12.27 | Neffi | post? |
| 13:12.28 | Semlar | they look like rep or some completed percentage |
| 13:12.34 | Semlar | let me go find one |
| 13:18.57 | Semlar | it could have been this http://oi53.tinypic.com/ve6gjp.jpg but that definitely looks like rep |
| 13:19.22 | Semlar | a lot of them were completely unlabeled |
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| 13:20.41 | Semlar | ah this http://www.tukui.org/storage/thumbs/861252minimap.jpg |
| 13:20.50 | Semlar | it's definitely part of tukui or elvui |
| 13:21.03 | Semlar | is that just a rep bar or something else |
| 13:21.38 | Neffi | based on color and number, i'd say definitely rep |
| 13:21.47 | Neffi | nothing else is out of 12000 |
| 13:21.55 | Semlar | yeah |
| 13:21.59 | Semlar | that's what i figured |
| 13:22.31 | Semlar | i could have sworn one of the series of screenshots i was looking at had a bar like that with different values in a pretty short time |
| 13:22.40 | Semlar | and they were just standing in a city |
| 13:23.23 | Semlar | i thought it might have been like a stopwatch timer or something |
| 13:23.39 | Neffi | it's a conspiracy to make people seeing the UI screenshot wonder wtf it is |
| 13:23.46 | Semlar | ;_; |
| 13:24.19 | Semlar | i guess it doesn't matter what it is, it gave me the idea to make a bar that shows you to the % completed of a zone |
| 13:24.29 | Semlar | -to |
| 13:25.02 | Semlar | like how many quests you've done out of the total |
| 13:25.51 | Semlar | http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff445/SyNiST3R-RaGE/WoWScrnShot_092012_161819_zpsfcf5e748.jpg stupid unlabeled bars |
| 13:25.57 | Neffi | With MOP zones you can infer that from achievement progress |
| 13:26.10 | Semlar | yeah i was looking at the quest achievements |
| 13:26.16 | Neffi | actually with more zones than that, because nearly all zones have an achieve related to quests in that zone |
| 13:26.41 | Neffi | not entirely accurate, but it's more precise than guesswork |
| 13:26.43 | Semlar | the only drawback is that there's only like 6 entries or something for a zone |
| 13:26.55 | Neffi | swap precise with accurate there. definitions mixed up. |
| 13:26.57 | Semlar | so it wouldn't be a very smooth progression |
| 13:27.15 | Semlar | still better than nothing |
| 13:28.21 | Semlar | actually that's not right |
| 13:28.39 | Semlar | i was probably just looking at the wrong thing |
| 13:29.08 | Semlar | because i remember being able to see n completed of x total quests in a zone even if it wasn't exactly |
| 13:29.42 | Neffi | quest achieves |
| 13:29.45 | Neffi | not progress achieves |
| 13:29.58 | Neffi | "complete N quests in Z" |
| 13:31.22 | Semlar | yeah you're right but the ones i was looking at under pandaria were just like "complete the jade forest storylines listed below" |
| 13:32.14 | Semlar | i couldn't find the "complete N quests in Z" entries for it |
| 13:32.40 | Neffi | MOP zones dont have em |
| 13:32.55 | Neffi | Blizzard: Consistently inconsistent |
| 13:33.25 | Semlar | yeah so if i watched the progression of those it would be more chunkay |
| 13:33.48 | Semlar | jade forest has 12 entries it looks like |
| 13:34.04 | Semlar | so the bar would go up about 8% at a time |
| 13:35.54 | Semlar | it's not so bad though |
| 13:36.14 | Semlar | some of them only have like 5 entries |
| 13:37.48 | Semlar | dread wastes has 4 |
| 13:39.35 | Semlar | i could combine it with the exploration achievements.. |
| 13:40.23 | Semlar | i think that would make it less useful though |
| 13:42.48 | Semlar | there are at least 120 regular quests in dread wastes, dividing that into 4 chunks would kind of suck |
| 13:43.53 | nevcairiel | could go the hard way, have a list of quests and call the quest completed api |
| 13:43.54 | Semlar | i guess i could just store the number of quests in a zone |
| 13:44.00 | Semlar | yeah |
| 13:45.30 | Semlar | storing the actual quest ids might be the only way to actually track them retroactively |
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| 13:47.13 | Semlar | i was trying to generate something like that in-game but while GetQuestWorldMapAreaID takes a quest ID, it only works if it's in your quest log |
| 13:47.48 | Semlar | i was able to pull up the tooltip of any quest |
| 13:48.00 | Semlar | but there doesn't appear to be much useful info in it |
| 13:49.01 | Neffi | There's an API to check if the quest has been completed? |
| 13:49.14 | Semlar | there's a function that returns a table of quest ids that you've completed |
| 13:49.44 | Semlar | i think it's GetQuestsCompleted |
| 13:49.46 | Neffi | that must be a large table |
| 13:51.11 | Vlad| | Semlar you have API to check a single quest tough |
| 13:51.12 | Semlar | it would be useful if you could actually get information about the damn quest using its quest id |
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| 13:51.27 | Vlad| | IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(id) |
| 13:51.44 | Semlar | i'm trying to figure out what zone a quest is in without actually being on it |
| 13:52.06 | Semlar | i wonder if they put the area ids in the dbc files |
| 13:52.06 | Vlad| | I guess there is some weird API that is 1nil if the quest is in the zone or not... |
| 13:52.20 | Vlad| | doubt they made it more helpful than that -_- |
| 13:55.30 | Neffi | Are experience gain boosts from heirlooms additive or multiplicative? |
| 13:55.49 | Semlar | probably multiplicative |
| 13:55.50 | nevcairiel | add |
| 13:55.52 | Semlar | really? |
| 13:56.02 | Neffi | hm |
| 13:56.09 | nevcairiel | if you get two items with 10%, you have 20 |
| 13:56.13 | Neffi | multiplicative would work out to 154% exp instead of 145% |
| 13:57.33 | Neffi | nevcairiel: By the way, are you the same nevcairiel that made the LAV filters? |
| 13:58.21 | Semlar | how many nevairiels could there possibly be |
| 13:58.31 | Vlad| | LAV filters? |
| 13:58.31 | Neffi | you never know |
| 13:58.39 | Neffi | Vlad|: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=156191 |
| 13:58.43 | Vlad| | ah |
| 13:58.59 | Neffi | It has a rather awesome renderer |
| 14:00.08 | Semlar | the quest poi information is in the mpq files but aside from what i assume are coordinates these don't tie directly to quest ids or area ids |
| 14:00.36 | Semlar | there must be another file that connects them |
| 14:02.19 | Semlar | unless it needs information from the server |
| 14:02.43 | nevcairiel | Neffi: my name is rather unique on the webs =p |
| 14:03.02 | nevcairiel | although some wow chars have popped up using it, some people like stealing |
| 14:03.02 | Neffi | Yeah I feel kinda creepy after Googling it. You're quite out there. |
| 14:04.11 | Vlad| | it may be semlar, that quest queries also provide more info than is accessible on the lua end |
| 14:06.41 | Semlar | there's a file called questv2.dbc which i'm pretty sure the index is quest ids but i don't know what the other column is |
| 14:10.49 | Semlar | is it possible to browse the .db2 files in the mpqs |
| 14:12.24 | Vlad| | db2 are the new dbc format |
| 14:12.28 | Vlad| | should be browsable yes |
| 14:12.40 | Vlad| | let me check |
| 14:13.06 | Vlad| | need a parser tool? |
| 14:13.09 | Vlad| | to convert db2 to csv? |
| 14:13.18 | Semlar | yeah |
| 14:13.47 | Semlar | QuestPackageItem.db2 is pretty much the only file left |
| 14:14.15 | Semlar | it doesn't look big enough though |
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| 14:16.18 | Vlad| | int,int,int,int,int |
| 14:16.18 | Vlad| | 43,15,80686,1,0 |
| 14:16.19 | Vlad| | 44,15,80687,1,0 |
| 14:16.19 | Vlad| | 45,15,80688,1,0 |
| 14:16.19 | Vlad| | 46,15,80689,1,0 |
| 14:16.19 | Vlad| | 47,15,80690,1,0 |
| 14:16.19 | Vlad| | 48,15,80691,1,0 |
| 14:16.28 | Vlad| | excuse that, and, the file looks like that... want it? |
| 14:17.05 | Semlar | doesn't appear to be what i'm after |
| 14:17.13 | Semlar | do you know how many entries there are? |
| 14:17.36 | Semlar | it would have to be at least 32000 |
| 14:18.26 | Vlad| | it's only 1400 entries in that file |
| 14:18.40 | Semlar | hrm |
| 14:18.56 | Vlad| | the V2 one is like this, and 16000 entries: |
| 14:18.58 | Vlad| | 32098,14446 |
| 14:18.58 | Vlad| | 32099,14447 |
| 14:18.58 | Vlad| | 32105,14236 |
| 14:18.58 | Vlad| | 32107,13959 |
| 14:18.58 | Vlad| | 32114,14456 |
| 14:19.10 | Semlar | yeah |
| 14:19.27 | Semlar | i didn't realize there were that many missing entries |
| 14:19.52 | Vlad| | not sure what V2 contains tbh |
| 14:20.03 | Semlar | the ids are almost definitely quest ids |
| 14:20.27 | Semlar | i'm assuming the second value has something to do with identifying a group of information associated with the quest |
| 14:20.35 | Semlar | but i can't find it |
| 14:22.29 | Vlad| | tried second value as questID but made no sense then ;D hehe |
| 14:22.36 | Semlar | but i also haven't found the tooltips for the quests and they are probably in the dbc files somewhere |
| 14:23.37 | Semlar | i figured the locale file but meh |
| 14:23.39 | Vlad| | can't be, when I click a quest I don't have in my cache it says retrieving info |
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| 14:23.54 | Semlar | is quest text really server side |
| 14:24.28 | Vlad| | it's like items beeing cached |
| 14:24.32 | Vlad| | the tooltips part |
| 14:24.35 | Semlar | i don't know about that |
| 14:24.44 | Vlad| | I am 80% sure it is :D |
| 14:25.05 | Vlad| | but don't blame me if you find a 20kB file named QuestTooltips.gzipcompression99% |
| 14:25.26 | Semlar | there are at least two item db2 files in the locale that look like they probably contain tooltip information |
| 14:25.49 | Semlar | item-sparse.db2 is huge |
| 14:26.13 | Semlar | it's like 34mb |
| 14:26.27 | Vlad| | I can take a peak |
| 14:26.35 | Vlad| | give me sample string |
| 14:26.39 | Vlad| | can just file search it all |
| 14:26.40 | Vlad| | :P |
| 14:26.50 | Semlar | for quests? |
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| 14:27.32 | Semlar | see if you can find "Kanrethad" |
| 14:29.15 | Vlad| | searching |
| 14:29.24 | Semlar | quest #1 is called Kanrethad's Quest |
| 14:30.16 | Vlad| | sadly |
| 14:30.32 | Vlad| | LanguageWords and Spell contained the name but not related to tooltip. |
| 14:31.45 | Semlar | can you search by column |
| 14:32.05 | Semlar | like could you search the dbc files for a column containing 14356 |
| 14:32.06 | Vlad| | what are you after? I can't but I can still try to find what you are after :D |
| 14:32.11 | Vlad| | ok |
| 14:33.34 | Semlar | that's my last idea, otherwise it's very likely not client side |
| 14:33.51 | Vlad| | namesprofanity contains "Homo" on said index :P |
| 14:33.58 | Vlad| | 14356,2432 |
| 14:33.59 | Semlar | acceptable result |
| 14:34.00 | Vlad| | questv2 |
| 14:34.15 | Semlar | yeah that's just a coincidence |
| 14:34.33 | Vlad| | aside from that, nothing else quest related :( |
| 14:34.42 | Semlar | damn |
| 14:35.08 | Vlad| | questcache.wdb |
| 14:35.38 | Vlad| | excerp: Amber Is Life | Kill 7 Mistblade Rippers and the Mistblade Scale-Lord. | In order for our efforts against the mantid empire to continue, we require more amber.$B$BThere is a great deposit of amber underneath the lake to the south, but the area is inhabited by a savage saurok tribe.$B$BI cannot spare anyone else. You must go to the lake and test the tribe's strength. Thin their numbers and eliminate their leader, who is probably hiding |
| 14:35.45 | Semlar | oh? |
| 14:35.52 | Vlad| | excerpt* |
| 14:36.05 | Vlad| | so definetly server provided data |
| 14:36.07 | Semlar | that's downloaded from the server |
| 14:36.13 | Semlar | oh well |
| 14:36.17 | Vlad| | they can save bandwidth by having it in the dbc files, how come? :P |
| 14:36.30 | Semlar | maybe so they can change it on the fly without an update |
| 14:37.42 | Vlad| | ye |
| 14:37.46 | Semlar | i can't really think of any other reason tooltips wouldn't be client side |
| 14:38.19 | Vlad| | idea |
| 14:38.30 | Semlar | the poi data definitely is but i can't figure out what the columns represent |
| 14:40.12 | Vlad| | if the quest cache file contains more than just the texts, maybe making some addon code to request all quest data then parsing the wdb is an idea? |
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| 14:40.40 | Vlad| | not sure how updated but http://www.wowwiki.com/Questcache.wdb#Questdata |
| 14:41.13 | Vlad| | seems to have zone or areaid (mapid it says) |
| 14:41.51 | Semlar | i wrote a script that grabs the tooltip for every quest |
| 14:42.06 | Semlar | i'm guessing it makes it cache that |
| 14:42.39 | Vlad| | check your cache file |
| 14:42.44 | Vlad| | should be big if you cached all the quests :P |
| 14:43.43 | Semlar | haven't run it yet |
| 14:43.57 | Semlar | let me try |
| 14:44.25 | Vlad| | someone made struct on the file here http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-bots-programs/wow-memory-editing/374381-accessing-wdb-cache-files-questcache-wdb.html :P |
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| 14:45.37 | Semlar | i may need to revise my script |
| 14:45.46 | Semlar | it immediately disconnected me |
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| 14:46.32 | Vlad| | :p |
| 14:48.03 | karl_w_w | some would argue it's better the bugged way :P |
| 14:48.55 | Vlad| | you need a throttle :D |
| 14:49.09 | karl_w_w | throttles Semlar |
| 14:49.50 | Vlad| | throttles karl_w_w's throttle on Semlar. |
| 14:49.52 | Neffi | I wonder if Frozen Orb isn't incorrectly tuned |
| 14:50.08 | Neffi | It's globally entire hordes of mobs on my 63 mage |
| 14:50.18 | Neffi | globalling* |
| 14:52.01 | zenzio | globalling? |
| 14:52.26 | Neffi | killing within one global cooldown |
| 14:52.37 | Vlad| | never heard that before :P |
| 14:52.38 | zenzio | interesting expression |
| 14:52.47 | Neffi | Freeze pack of mobs -> Frozen Orb -> dead before I can get an Ice Lance off |
| 14:52.59 | Neffi | pvp term from back in the day when rogues globalled w/ Ambush |
| 14:53.10 | Neffi | Or mages w/ pyroblast |
| 14:53.42 | Vlad| | when leveling my priest I got instagibbed by fire mage and destro warlock |
| 14:53.54 | Vlad| | one silence lasts 5 sec then I am dead before I can cast a shield :D |
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| 14:54.15 | Vlad| | level 81 |
| 14:54.20 | Vlad| | hyjal, full of gank :P |
| 14:56.01 | Neffi | yeah mages are definitely not tuned for this level |
| 14:56.11 | zenzio | I remember in 2005 when I started playing. Was running around on my orc in northern Barrens, found the border to Ashenvale. Crossed it to explore a little, but turned back when I saw the "contested territory" message. Didn't know what it meant, but it sounded bad |
| 14:56.17 | Neffi | DK 2 levels above me in full looms. his death shield lasted longer than my burning him down to 1 hp did |
| 14:56.24 | Vlad| | I feel the game formulas are not tuned properly for low levels |
| 14:56.47 | Vlad| | 85+ it's okay enough, 90 is more balanced, anything below 85 and it's ridiculus |
| 14:56.56 | Vlad| | I think some people have like 100% mastery :D |
| 14:57.00 | Vlad| | pre 85 that is |
| 14:57.07 | mitch0 | rudiculis |
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| 14:57.25 | zenzio | I have 120% mastery |
| 14:57.28 | Vlad| | ;D |
| 14:57.34 | Vlad| | sounds balanced |
| 15:00.18 | Vlad| | Semlar: how is the quest cache addon going? |
| 15:00.22 | Vlad| | want me to help you? :D |
| 15:00.31 | Semlar | working on the logic |
| 15:00.47 | Vlad| | you only need a simple system like a table with 10 tooltips |
| 15:00.53 | Vlad| | and a flag for busy/available |
| 15:01.00 | Vlad| | and OnUpdate to go trough a stack of IDs to scan |
| 15:01.21 | Vlad| | and when the data is loaded on the tip it makes it available for the next onupdate to use it:P |
| 15:03.25 | Vlad| | sorry you probably know this :< |
| 15:04.32 | Vlad| | I keep disconnecting today |
| 15:04.38 | Vlad| | quite often |
| 15:04.38 | Vlad| | :P |
| 15:04.43 | Semlar | i had another onupdate script interfering with it |
| 15:04.48 | Torhal|work | That's just me, having lulz |
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| 15:05.07 | alestane | http://abstrusegoose.com/283 |
| 15:05.53 | Vlad| | :P |
| 15:08.06 | Fisker | want to have mad sex Torhal|work ? |
| 15:08.21 | Semlar | this isn't caching the quests by the way |
| 15:08.34 | Semlar | at least not in questcache.wdb |
| 15:08.45 | Torhal|work | Fisker: nope.mkv |
| 15:09.05 | karl_w_w | I once killed a yam |
| 15:11.50 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/BLXYtEhW vlad |
| 15:14.05 | Torhal|work | stabs Semlar with a pillow for using single-letter variable names. |
| 15:14.28 | Semlar | e=mc2 |
| 15:15.04 | Torhal|work | This isn't math or chemistry. |
| 15:15.07 | Semlar | i had longer names but got rid of them |
| 15:15.15 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better |
| 15:15.34 | Torhal|work | Worse, actually. "Oh, shit. I can actually read this code on first glance!" |
| 15:15.37 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 15:15.55 | Semlar | it's just the elapsed time and timesince stuff |
| 15:16.29 | Semlar | i thought it had somehow managed to disconnect me yet again but no, the world server is down |
| 15:16.50 | Torhal|work | Are you going to remember that "ts" means "time_since" in six months? How long will it take to grok the meaning, if not? |
| 15:16.56 | Torhal|work | shrugs and gets back to work. |
| 15:17.22 | Semlar | well, it's just a test script i threw together to see if i could cache quests |
| 15:17.33 | Semlar | and the result is apparently no i can't |
| 15:17.39 | Semlar | requesting the tooltip doesn't do it |
| 15:17.51 | Torhal|work | Semlar: One sec. |
| 15:18.18 | Semlar | which is odd because the tooltips aren't client side |
| 15:19.06 | Torhal|work | Semlar: http://www.wowace.com/paste/6534/ |
| 15:20.09 | Semlar | i was trying to populate the questcache.wdb |
| 15:20.18 | Torhal|work | Oh. |
| 15:20.23 | Torhal|work | Weirdo. |
| 15:20.24 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 15:20.42 | Semlar | well okay basically i want to get information that isn't available in game but apparently does get cached |
| 15:20.52 | Vlad| | :( |
| 15:20.55 | Semlar | and it's not available in the dbc files |
| 15:21.07 | Semlar | so we were going to try and populate the cache and then parse that |
| 15:21.33 | Vlad| | remember to restart the game |
| 15:21.34 | Semlar | although i'm not really sure the information i want is actually in the cache |
| 15:21.37 | Vlad| | so the cache is written |
| 15:21.44 | Vlad| | I linked earlier |
| 15:21.47 | Vlad| | it has mapid |
| 15:21.51 | Vlad| | areaId/zoneid |
| 15:21.54 | Semlar | oh it only populates it when you close the game? |
| 15:22.01 | Semlar | in that case nevermind |
| 15:22.02 | Vlad| | think so yes :P |
| 15:22.06 | Semlar | it does work |
| 15:22.18 | Semlar | although it may need to be revised |
| 15:22.25 | Semlar | there are huge gaps in the quest ids |
| 15:22.33 | Semlar | and a half second timeout is way too long |
| 15:22.59 | Torhal|work | Cache is cleared when you exit. |
| 15:23.07 | Semlar | it appears to be created when i exit |
| 15:23.23 | Semlar | the file went from 4kb to 7mb |
| 15:23.26 | Torhal|work | Must be the item cache that's cleared. |
| 15:23.44 | Torhal|work | …because GetItemInfo() behaves as if nothing is cached between game sessions. |
| 15:23.56 | Semlar | i'm going to try making a bunch of separate tooltips and populate them all at once to cut down the time |
| 15:24.01 | Vlad| | :D |
| 15:24.12 | Vlad| | told you ;D |
| 15:24.14 | Vlad| | but |
| 15:24.21 | Vlad| | maybe the throttle is a global one not per tip |
| 15:24.22 | Semlar | well i had to make sure it would actually work first |
| 15:24.24 | Vlad| | so be careful :d |
| 15:24.59 | Semlar | from my limited testing it could take up to half a second to get the quest tooltip |
| 15:25.03 | Neffi | Torhal: Could be a bug. Used to be, cache was never cleared except when patching. |
| 15:25.13 | Neffi | Eg the patcher would delete the cache |
| 15:25.26 | Neffi | ie* |
| 15:25.42 | karl_w_w | 140k dps over 20s? no sweat |
| 15:25.44 | Vlad| | patcher clears cache incase of item changes |
| 15:27.13 | Semlar | with my half second timeout it would add over 2 hours to the scan |
| 15:27.25 | Semlar | that's a problem |
| 15:27.42 | Semlar | i know there's at least 16000 missing quest ids |
| 15:27.42 | Vlad| | :D |
| 15:28.18 | Torhal|work | Neffi: It's behaved this way since late WotLK. |
| 15:28.33 | Neffi | I wonder why >_> |
| 15:28.45 | Torhal|work | Dunno, but it really sucks for datamining. |
| 15:28.51 | Semlar | i wonder if it'll let me populate a thousand tooltips at once |
| 15:29.44 | Neffi | that's worth a try |
| 15:30.00 | Semlar | only one way to find out |
| 15:30.10 | Semlar | although i'm willing to bet no |
| 15:30.12 | Fisker | http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/11/08/52109.htm <-about time |
| 15:30.14 | Fisker | this is gonna be awesome |
| 15:31.21 | Torhal|work | steals Fisker's Core Hound Pup. |
| 15:31.32 | Fisker | nope |
| 15:32.37 | Dagmar | Damn the judge is going to slap some people for uncommon stupidity |
| 15:33.09 | Vlad| | but the authenticator is not required |
| 15:33.14 | Vlad| | and the phone one is free isn't it? |
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| 15:33.43 | Vlad| | though I agree that the early once that cost money was quite unessecary |
| 15:33.57 | Dagmar | Not only is the phone one free, they're subsidizing them. |
| 15:34.20 | Dagmar | It costs Blizz money (although they're probably bulk-licenced0 |
| 15:34.43 | Fisker | i doubt it costs them money |
| 15:34.47 | Fisker | but they're probably not making shit of it |
| 15:34.50 | Dagmar | That would be because yu're an idiot. |
| 15:34.53 | Neffi | "Bar defendents... from requiring them to sign up for Battle.net accounts." |
| 15:34.55 | Fisker | other than what they save in account related shit |
| 15:35.01 | Neffi | So they want WoW to be single-player? |
| 15:35.09 | Fisker | oh ok Dagmar |
| 15:35.12 | Dagmar | Fisker: All RSA token technology is licenced. None is free. |
| 15:35.46 | Fisker | i was talking about the physical token device |
| 15:35.49 | Fisker | not the smartphone one |
| 15:35.51 | Dagmar | This is not a thing you can get for free without writing it all yourself, which would be inappropriate for Blizzard becasue it's protected by well-deserved patents. |
| 15:35.55 | Dagmar | Both cost them. |
| 15:36.01 | Fisker | doubt it |
| 15:36.03 | Semlar | i wrote an authenticator myself |
| 15:36.04 | Unkle | Money's tight. Nothing's free. Won't somebody come and rescue me? I am stranded. Caught in the crossfire... |
| 15:36.04 | Dagmar | They're subsidizing the keyfobs. |
| 15:36.16 | Fisker | Selling at cost != subsidizing |
| 15:36.27 | Neffi | He's talking about the free app |
| 15:36.27 | Semlar | because i don't have a smartphone |
| 15:36.40 | Fisker | i know Neffi |
| 15:36.41 | Neffi | which they definitely are subsidizing if it's free for you, because it's not free for them |
| 15:36.48 | Fisker | same applies |
| 15:37.08 | Unkle | Fisker What about the thousands of the key fobs they gave away at BlizzCon and that they hand out like candy at events? |
| 15:37.09 | Semlar | okay the ptr is a horrible place to test this because it goes down every 5 minutes |
| 15:37.18 | Dagmar | Someone had to develop the app, and each keypair costs. |
| 15:37.49 | Neffi | Unkle: Promotion. |
| 15:37.57 | Neffi | Promotion earns money down the line |
| 15:38.00 | Dagmar | You can't even use the "free" app unless someone shells out money to licence it with a bundle of keys. |
| 15:38.38 | Unkle | They "subsidized" that cost as part of their marketing and other budgets. Mostly though, we're arguing with a troll over semantics. |
| 15:38.54 | Fisker | not at all Unkle |
| 15:39.00 | Fisker | trolling cause got trolled |
| 15:39.05 | Fisker | subsidies are formal |
| 15:39.09 | Fisker | selling at cost is not |
| 15:39.20 | Fisker | therefor costing blizzard anything != subsidy |
| 15:39.33 | Dagmar | Fisker: http://www.sonicwall-sales.com/vasco-ik-and-digipass-go-6-pack-5-users-standard-edition-for-remote-authentication-5414602410801-.html |
| 15:39.40 | Dagmar | This shit ain't cheap |
| 15:39.55 | Unkle | subsidised Pay part of the cost of producing (something) to reduce prices for the buyer. |
| 15:40.02 | Dagmar | ..and I'm pretty sure you've never rolled out a SecureRemote server before, so basically, you know less than fuck about it. |
| 15:40.09 | Fisker | lol Dagmar |
| 15:40.30 | Neffi | Dagmar: That must be markup. |
| 15:40.34 | Fisker | it isn't |
| 15:40.36 | karl_w_w | implying there's no such thing as economies of scale |
| 15:40.38 | Fisker | well there is markup as well |
| 15:40.42 | Neffi | There's no way Blizz is paying a premium like that for every authenticater user |
| 15:40.42 | Fisker | but look at the product details |
| 15:40.44 | Dagmar | Neffi: No, you just pay a hefty price for small units |
| 15:40.46 | Fisker | it's not just keyfobs |
| 15:40.53 | Fisker | but trolls will be trolls |
| 15:41.18 | Dagmar | The server licence is likely 90% of that price |
| 15:41.52 | Dagmar | I have never seen then sold for less than about $10/ea to clients |
| 15:42.05 | Unkle | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7777896/Cinder_Kitten_Charity_Drive_for_Superstorm_Sandy_Coming_Soon-11_7_2012 |
| 15:42.10 | Dagmar | If Blizz's customers are paying less than that, there's definitely a subsidy in place |
| 15:42.33 | Dagmar | There's a seat-licence involved with soft tokens, so those definitely arne't free, either. |
| 15:43.02 | Vlad| | found a bugged bot :D |
| 15:43.14 | Dagmar | So basically, Blizz is going to show up, have to give about an hour of testimony, and that judge is going to bitchslap the plaintiff. |
| 15:43.34 | Torhal|work | The sky is crying, Unkle. |
| 15:43.39 | Fisker | Would it even get that far? |
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| 15:43.45 | Dagmar | The only hope they have is if they get a judge who drools uncontrollably. |
| 15:43.54 | Unkle | Torhal|work +5 HON |
| 15:44.19 | Dagmar | Fisker: That comes down to whether or not Blizzard decides it would be easier to head it off at the pass. It's not obvious that his claims are all insane. |
| 15:44.46 | Dagmar | The claim that Blizz didn't do the "legally required" blah blah blah is easily disprovable tho |
| 15:44.50 | Fisker | i think it is :( |
| 15:46.34 | karl_w_w | he's just a cliche basement dweller crying that his D3 account got hacked, by the look of it |
| 15:47.10 | Unkle | Has anyone ever wiresharked their connection to battle.net? |
| 15:47.19 | Unkle | Just asking... |
| 15:47.35 | Fisker | for what purpose? |
| 15:47.54 | Unkle | 'cause I'm wondering if battle.net bothers to encrypt passwords. |
| 15:48.08 | Dagmar | I'm thinking "morally bankrupt individual hoping to bullshit his way into money" |
| 15:48.14 | Fisker | they don't send passwords Unkle |
| 15:48.43 | Unkle | they send hashes. right. |
| 15:49.52 | Dagmar | Zero knowledge protocol |
| 15:49.59 | Dagmar | Very elegant |
| 15:50.17 | Fisker | i think it did initially send your username unencrypted |
| 15:50.26 | Fisker | but it was a long time ago i last checked |
| 15:50.46 | karl_w_w | sending hash? sounds like a felony. |
| 15:50.47 | Unkle | I remember in the 90s practically everyone was lazy and passing passwords around in plain text - so innocent those days... |
| 15:51.07 | karl_w_w | I remember when people assumed email was secure |
| 15:51.11 | karl_w_w | oh wait, that's now |
| 15:51.12 | Fisker | not anymore karl_w_w |
| 15:51.43 | Unkle | email is the least secure protocol ever devised... except for NNTP |
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| 15:55.13 | nevcairiel | the net would be much more fun if everyone would just follow the rules |
| 15:56.01 | nevcairiel | the DARPA didnt need encryption in their internet :P |
| 15:59.56 | Vlad| | what is the securest protocol ever divised? |
| 16:00.56 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.14 | Neffi | Vlad|: Something quantum no doubt |
| 16:01.21 | Vlad| | :P |
| 16:01.26 | karl_w_w | quantum /b/ |
| 16:01.55 | nevcairiel | quantum has the advantage that you notice when someone intercepted your message |
| 16:02.07 | nevcairiel | but doesnt necessarily make it more secure :p |
| 16:02.32 | Neffi | There are still effects yet to be discovered, I'm sure |
| 16:03.00 | Neffi | Hell the vote is still out whether or not entanglement can transfer data FTL. We're obviously not experts in quantum nature. |
| 16:03.06 | karl_w_w | quantum has the advantage that the interceptor can't know both if he's intercepted and what the message says at the same time |
| 16:05.06 | Neffi | That's how I had interpreted it, but I didn't read enough on it to know for sure |
| 16:05.31 | karl_w_w | i totally made that up :P |
| 16:05.38 | Semlar | how do i get OnUpdate to work for a tooltip |
| 16:05.43 | Vlad| | hmm |
| 16:05.51 | Semlar | it just appears to be ignoring it |
| 16:06.04 | Vlad| | I'd use a manger frame |
| 16:06.11 | Vlad| | and have it traverse the other frames to check for the states |
| 16:06.22 | Semlar | alright |
| 16:06.23 | Vlad| | I just know tooltips are a bit odd |
| 16:06.39 | karl_w_w | isnt there only 1 tooltip frame? |
| 16:06.45 | Semlar | no you can create them |
| 16:06.55 | Neffi | Well karl I'm sure such a system could be devised leveraging uncertainty |
| 16:07.13 | Neffi | Seems more than plausible |
| 16:07.15 | Semlar | i think it's hidden somehow and some of the script functions don't work |
| 16:08.10 | TC-work | an uncertainty tooltip? |
| 16:08.24 | Semlar | certainly |
| 16:08.33 | Vlad| | http://i.imgur.com/czLyj.jpg |
| 16:08.55 | TC-work | uh....way too large |
| 16:09.48 | Vlad| | why don't people read quest details? :P |
| 16:10.14 | Unkle | Why does the sun come up? Are the stars just pin-holes in the curtain of night? |
| 16:10.18 | TC-work | That's asking why don't people pay attention. It's because they are human |
| 16:10.44 | TC-work | good and bad all mixed up in a bundle of fail |
| 16:10.44 | Vlad| | if you look at the picture, clicking that link says what you need to do :P |
| 16:10.57 | Vlad| | like asking what to do when it says on a sign "red light = stop walking" |
| 16:12.51 | Vlad| | the guy told me, and I am paraphrasing: stop being a fuck and tell me what to do |
| 16:12.52 | Vlad| | xD |
| 16:13.09 | Vlad| | reported him for language :P |
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| 16:14.51 | Neffi | Well you shouldn't be a fuck |
| 16:15.07 | Neffi | I'm not sure how you pulled off being a verb but it's definitely not good man |
| 16:16.02 | Vlad| | :p |
| 16:17.40 | Vlad| | I should have said quoting |
| 16:17.46 | Neffi | "Low droprate? I'll just kill the whole field in one big AoE pull." ... "12 mobs and zero drops?" |
| 16:17.50 | Neffi | I hate some quests |
| 16:17.54 | Vlad| | as if I were paraphrasing I would have corrected his gramatical error |
| 16:18.04 | Vlad| | low drop rate can mean 0.01% too |
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| 16:20.56 | Fisker | pushes Vlad| into the pot |
| 16:21.07 | Vlad| | fishes up fisker. |
| 16:21.12 | Vlad| | fisk = fish, fisker = plural form |
| 16:21.12 | Vlad| | :p |
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| 16:24.06 | Semlar | 500 tooltips will disconnect you |
| 16:24.15 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 16:24.25 | Vlad| | I think it's number of queries per second limit |
| 16:24.27 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 16:24.34 | Semlar | so far 100 every half second hasn't |
| 16:24.42 | Vlad| | keep trying |
| 16:24.47 | Vlad| | you'll figure it out eventually |
| 16:25.27 | Semlar | whoops that did it |
| 16:25.40 | Semlar | made it to about 14000 though |
| 16:25.55 | Semlar | that's about where there's a huge gap too |
| 16:26.34 | Semlar | the quest ids go from 14491 to 20438 |
| 16:27.18 | Neffi | the expansion that never was? |
| 16:27.26 | Semlar | possibly |
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| 16:29.00 | Semlar | you know i didn't put an upper limit on this either |
| 16:29.15 | Semlar | hmm |
| 16:30.05 | Semlar | ah i'm sure that won't be a problem |
| 16:30.51 | Semlar | i think 31958 is the last quest on live but i'm not sure |
| 16:31.03 | Semlar | that's kind of making an assumption about this dbc file |
| 16:31.36 | Semlar | 32396.. Uncompletable Binding Quest [DND] |
| 16:33.26 | Neffi | Quest that binds you to a faction? |
| 16:33.31 | Neffi | Added in 5.0 to the Panda area |
| 16:33.35 | Neffi | req level 10 |
| 16:33.40 | Fisker | yes? |
| 16:33.44 | Semlar | that's the last quest my script could find |
| 16:33.49 | Semlar | vlad! |
| 16:34.33 | Semlar | here's the wdb file if you want it http://semlar.com/questcache.zip |
| 16:35.03 | Neffi | woah |
| 16:35.15 | Semlar | i have no idea how to parse this |
| 16:35.54 | Neffi | Went to semlar.com. That's awesome. |
| 16:36.35 | Semlar | >_> |
| 16:36.41 | Semlar | secret website |
| 16:36.59 | Semlar | WHO TOLD YOU ABOUT IT |
| 16:38.18 | Semlar | that should have a bunch of information on at least most of the quests in the game if you can figure out how to get it out of there |
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| 16:38.48 | Semlar | it's a 14mb text file |
| 16:38.50 | Neffi | Semlar: I'm psychic |
| 16:41.01 | Semlar | looks like dbfview will open them |
| 16:42.33 | Vlad| | Semlar I linked you ages ago |
| 16:42.48 | Semlar | what! |
| 16:42.49 | Vlad| | :< |
| 16:43.27 | Semlar | what did you link |
| 16:45.22 | Semlar | i lied dbfview can't open these |
| 16:45.27 | Vlad| | http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-bots-programs/wow-memory-editing/374381-accessing-wdb-cache-files-questcache-wdb.html |
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| 16:45.32 | Semlar | this ehow article LIED to me |
| 16:45.35 | Vlad| | the guy posted some struct |
| 16:46.00 | Vlad| | found a wowwiki/wowpedia article too about said file |
| 16:46.04 | Semlar | TO PYTHON |
| 16:46.22 | Vlad| | ye |
| 16:46.27 | Vlad| | go play with unpack |
| 16:46.58 | Vlad| | pastebin your scan code, wondering how you coded it :D |
| 16:47.43 | Semlar | okay but i didn't add a timeout so it will never stop |
| 16:48.04 | Semlar | http://pastebin.com/9in7q7d3 |
| 16:48.17 | Vlad| | :D |
| 16:48.36 | Vlad| | but you know the maximum quest ID tough |
| 16:48.37 | Vlad| | :D |
| 16:48.40 | Vlad| | at least roughly |
| 16:48.43 | Semlar | yeah |
| 16:49.06 | Semlar | what i would do is add a check if it didn't find something after a certain number of seconds it would give up |
| 16:49.12 | Vlad| | ye |
| 16:49.25 | Semlar | not sure how many seconds because some of the gaps are pretty big |
| 16:49.28 | Vlad| | not sure if the widget has a event or anything |
| 16:49.41 | Vlad| | does OnTooltipSetQuest fire with nil if the quest is non existant? |
| 16:49.52 | Semlar | it doesn't fire at all |
| 16:50.23 | Semlar | if you sethyperlink to a quest that doesn't exist |
| 16:50.44 | Vlad| | lol |
| 16:51.10 | Semlar | up to about 15000 i had this working with 100 tooltips |
| 16:51.19 | Semlar | but it finally disconnected me |
| 16:51.54 | Dagmar | *sigh* The office girls managed to pop a breaker. They have no idea why. |
| 16:52.06 | Dagmar | I walk past the room, see no less than 14 crockpots. |
| 16:52.14 | Semlar | this paste also isn't indented properly because i removed something and didn't fix it |
| 16:52.26 | Vlad| | lol |
| 16:52.31 | Semlar | oh ewll |
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| 16:59.31 | Vlad| | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/Uac3NqbF |
| 16:59.33 | Vlad| | an idea |
| 17:00.36 | Vlad| | oh forgot timeout! |
| 17:00.43 | Vlad| | if a quest never fires the script "setquest" |
| 17:01.43 | Shirik | cries |
| 17:01.45 | Semlar | yeah if OnTooltipSetQuest hasn't fired in the last 30 seconds or something just exit |
| 17:01.53 | Shirik | why do you hate words Vlad|? |
| 17:02.04 | Vlad| | I love words :D |
| 17:02.12 | Shirik | apparently not |
| 17:02.15 | Vlad| | lol |
| 17:02.29 | Shirik | local t; local f; local e, t; |
| 17:02.41 | Shirik | I especially like how you have two ts (granted, different scopes, but still) |
| 17:03.11 | Vlad| | Semlar: http://pastebin.com/vnxt4byB |
| 17:03.18 | Vlad| | ehm |
| 17:03.37 | Shirik | on an unrelated note |
| 17:03.39 | Shirik | local e, t = 0; |
| 17:03.40 | Vlad| | it doesn't really mater in this situation :P |
| 17:03.51 | Unkle | So, it's time to renew some of my domains, and I want to get off GoBastards. Favorite registrars? |
| 17:03.53 | Shirik | t = nil, you know that right? |
| 17:03.59 | Shirik | Unkle: dyndns |
| 17:04.00 | Vlad| | ye |
| 17:04.06 | Vlad| | I assign t = tips[i] inside the update |
| 17:04.06 | Semlar | it doesn't matter he's just localizing the value |
| 17:04.10 | Shirik | not the point |
| 17:04.27 | Shirik | Remind me to buy you a coding standards book for christmas |
| 17:04.27 | Vlad| | lol |
| 17:04.40 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 17:04.50 | Semlar | you're also localizing it outside the function |
| 17:05.03 | Semlar | it should be inside the function |
| 17:05.03 | Shirik | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html |
| 17:05.05 | Vlad| | it's just a onupdate habit |
| 17:05.06 | Shirik | Awesome article to read sometime |
| 17:05.14 | Shirik | if you haven't read already |
| 17:05.24 | Vlad| | always been afraid of creating new variables inside onupdate scripts :P |
| 17:05.40 | Semlar | you should be afraid of it the way it is |
| 17:05.45 | Shirik | 'local' does not create a variable |
| 17:05.47 | Shirik | in fact, it is free |
| 17:05.54 | Shirik | it is meaningless to anything except the compiler |
| 17:05.55 | Semlar | because it's keeping the value that way |
| 17:06.25 | Semlar | since it's outside the function t is going to stick around as the last value you assigned to it |
| 17:06.33 | Shirik | 'local' basically just means "I want you to use the stack for this variable" (until you get into upvalues, and then that gets a little messier) |
| 17:06.34 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:06.35 | Fisker | i like you |
| 17:06.37 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 17:06.43 | Shirik | I like you too but it's time for work now |
| 17:06.54 | Semlar | LAUGHING TIME IS OVER |
| 17:07.11 | Fisker | ok Shirik |
| 17:07.20 | Fisker | packs Shirik lunch |
| 17:08.36 | Semlar | Don’t put closing braces more than one screen away from the matching opening brace. |
| 17:08.38 | Vlad| | I made this to calm your nerves http://pastebin.com/B2QUMWtF |
| 17:09.04 | Semlar | you should see some of the things i've written |
| 17:09.12 | Vlad| | you should see some of mine |
| 17:09.13 | Dagmar | Semlar++ |
| 17:09.29 | Vlad| | sometimes I write just to get it over with quickly and get on with my main task, such scripts like this, on the side :P |
| 17:09.30 | Semlar | stop incrementing me |
| 17:09.51 | Dagmar | free(Semlar); |
| 17:09.52 | Vlad| | got to run to work |
| 17:09.54 | Vlad| | see you later guys |
| 17:10.00 | Vlad| | freemem(Vlad) |
| 17:10.06 | Semlar | have fun |
| 17:10.13 | Unkle | DeAlloc(Semlar); |
| 17:10.21 | Semlar | :( |
| 17:10.32 | Semlar | i was using that |
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| 17:27.59 | Arrowmaster` | i just dumped a bunch of ranch dressing and the rest of the shreeded cheese on my reheated pizza |
| 17:28.09 | Arrowmaster` | gona be messy |
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| 17:31.09 | Arrowmaster | so messy but so good |
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| 17:50.33 | tem | ~seen tekkub |
| 17:50.41 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 159d 15h 59m 34s ago, saying: 'twss'. |
| 17:50.55 | tem | yeah, I thought it had been a while |
| 17:51.12 | Arrowmaster | twitter moved from RoR to Java? talk about bad to wrose |
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| 17:51.27 | tem | and evidently it gave them huge performance increases |
| 17:51.42 | tem | got something against rails, Arrowmaster ? |
| 17:52.05 | Arrowmaster | just that it tends to not be good for high load applications |
| 17:52.18 | tem | *nod* |
| 17:52.24 | tem | what does twitter make money from? |
| 17:52.26 | ccox | Nah, it's fine, we'll just put more servers online :-) |
| 17:52.32 | tem | they're huge |
| 17:52.43 | tem | so seems like you could just throw more hardware at it for a while |
| 17:52.44 | Arrowmaster | everybody seems to have to use more and more caching servers these days |
| 17:53.46 | Arrowmaster | ive even heard of people having to use caching servers on a wordpress blog just because of shittastic db access code |
| 17:54.01 | tem | haha |
| 17:54.22 | ccox | of course - more caches, more load balancers, just use the cloud to deal with our load |
| 17:54.35 | Unkle | Wordpress is ... bad |
| 17:54.37 | ccox | why bother optimizing your code when you can throw more hardware at the problem |
| 17:55.32 | Arrowmaster | i dislike asp but at least curse uses it for the right reasons, it can be optimized well |
| 17:55.48 | Ressy | twitter makes cash from those promoted tweets. |
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| 17:56.31 | tem | who brought up asp? |
| 17:57.08 | Arrowmaster | i did |
| 17:57.23 | tem | I mean like |
| 17:57.32 | tem | what made you bring it up? |
| 17:57.40 | tem | oh oh |
| 17:57.44 | tem | I mised the curse bit |
| 17:57.56 | tem | well at least they aren't using classic asp |
| 17:57.59 | Arrowmaster | just that it optimizes a lot better than some of the other popular choices like RoR |
| 17:58.00 | tem | which is what I thought you were saying |
| 17:58.47 | tem | I sincerely hope it's not webforms |
| 17:58.50 | tem | because that shit is gross |
| 17:59.03 | tem | and I would be very skeptical of it optimizing well |
| 18:04.27 | Arrowmaster | lol https://twitter.com/search?q=%23natesilverfacts&src=hash |
| 18:05.05 | tem | wtf? |
| 18:05.15 | tem | people just amazed that math works? |
| 18:06.10 | Unkle | To a distressingly large number of people, math is dark sorcery of the most potent sort. |
| 18:06.52 | Krapsy | it isnt??? |
| 18:07.24 | Arrowmaster | have they called flordia yet? last i looked it was still a 0.6% lead for obama at 99% reporting or something |
| 18:07.35 | Arrowmaster | yet nobody would say obama won flordia |
| 18:08.00 | Arrowmaster | nytimes still hasnt called it..... |
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| 18:17.36 | Dagmar | Florida doesn't matter. |
| 18:18.06 | Dagmar | Even if every man, woman, and child in the state voted Romney, the result wouldn't change the election. |
| 18:19.32 | tem | which is really stupid |
| 18:19.37 | tem | even though I don't want romney to win |
| 18:19.42 | tem | popular vote should be the decider |
| 18:19.48 | tem | not electoral college bullshit |
| 18:20.07 | Dagmar | Frankly, I think they're dragging their feet while they try and hide Jeb's hand in the election rigging |
| 18:21.09 | tem | the really scary part? |
| 18:21.30 | tem | jeb is a much more moderate republican than the rest of the party right now |
| 18:22.41 | tem | and he's still fucking insane |
| 18:22.41 | tem | so.. |
| 18:26.25 | Unkle | The Electoral College is /supposed/ to prevent "tyranny of the masses" from happening. |
| 18:27.57 | Dagmar | Eventually they're going to screw up and pick the tyrannical candidate over the popular vote. |
| 18:27.58 | tem | huh? |
| 18:28.05 | Dagmar | ...then we eat them first. |
| 18:28.15 | tem | The electoral college is Benjamen Franklin thought the common man was too dumb to vote |
| 18:37.39 | karl_w_w | yeah but he was a tit |
| 18:40.44 | Adys | Fisker: http://i.imgur.com/XX4oJ.jpg |
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| 18:41.06 | Adys | total cost: £2.80 |
| 18:41.31 | Adys | could drive it lower if i made my own base and stuff |
| 18:41.40 | Dagmar | ...or added color |
| 18:42.08 | Adys | Dagmar: hm? |
| 18:42.18 | Dagmar | Is it supposed to be that washed-out looking? |
| 18:42.24 | Adys | phone camera =/ |
| 18:42.28 | Dagmar | okay |
| 18:42.50 | Adys | Im pretty pissed off, my webcam takes better pictures than my htc desire |
| 18:43.18 | Fisker | pukes |
| 18:43.27 | Fisker | get a nexus 4 Adys |
| 18:43.40 | Adys | Fisker: im thinking about it |
| 18:43.46 | Adys | does it have a replaceable battery? |
| 18:44.06 | Fisker | Got a torq-4 screwdriver? |
| 18:44.11 | Adys | yes |
| 18:44.18 | Fisker | then it does |
| 18:44.35 | Adys | doesnt really sound promising |
| 18:44.56 | Fisker | highend phone for cheap |
| 18:44.57 | Fisker | i like it |
| 18:44.59 | Fisker | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966308 |
| 18:45.13 | Adys | i need a 4g phone with *excellent* camera, replaceable battery and good internal storage |
| 18:45.16 | Adys | thats all i really care about |
| 18:45.32 | Fisker | oh |
| 18:45.32 | Adys | and battery life not worse than the desire |
| 18:45.40 | Fisker | then you don't want the nexus 4 |
| 18:45.45 | Fisker | because it has nothing of that |
| 18:45.46 | Fisker | :D |
| 18:45.56 | Adys | then what do i want |
| 18:46.10 | Fisker | well they say the camera fine but not "perfect" |
| 18:46.45 | Fisker | i don't see much point 4g myself |
| 18:46.52 | Fisker | not for another couple of years atleast |
| 18:47.02 | Adys | yeah well i dont really want to have to change it in 2-3 years |
| 18:47.12 | Adys | my desire lasted 2 years so far and thats too short for me |
| 18:47.27 | Adys | main issue i have is the internal storage |
| 18:47.33 | Corrodias | why would a phone stop being good enough? |
| 18:47.34 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:47.39 | Fisker | that's a bummer on the desire |
| 18:47.42 | Fisker | has like 0 |
| 18:47.44 | Adys | Corrodias: I cant install any app on it anymore |
| 18:47.52 | Adys | I have three large apps and thats it |
| 18:47.56 | Fisker | but any new phone today will solve that |
| 18:47.58 | Adys | every time they update, I have to uninstall one |
| 18:48.16 | Adys | yeah Fisker but then I dont want to have to switch to a 4g one in 2 years :P |
| 18:48.37 | Corrodias | does it not have one or more microsd slots for upgradable storage? |
| 18:49.15 | Fisker | they do not house the apps themselves usually |
| 18:49.20 | Corrodias | my music player has one of those, and it was only like $35 |
| 18:49.25 | Fisker | what you can do is use ext2sd |
| 18:49.38 | Fisker | which basically allows you to repartition the data partition to use some of your sd card as well |
| 18:50.09 | Corrodias | oh, they made the phone so it can't actually use the space, normally. nice. |
| 18:50.23 | Fisker | you can use the space |
| 18:50.29 | Fisker | but the app itself has to specifically program for it |
| 18:50.42 | Fisker | and it's kind of a privacy/permission nightmare |
| 18:50.44 | Adys | yeah its pretty retarded |
| 18:50.50 | Fisker | which is why they use ext2sd to extend it |
| 18:51.04 | Adys | maybe ill do that |
| 18:51.12 | kullervo | you will break the phone in 2-3 years |
| 18:51.14 | Adys | i dunno, Im having trouble even updating to the newer cyanogenmod =/ |
| 18:51.25 | Adys | i take care of my hardware kullervo |
| 18:51.29 | Corrodias | then switch to magentagen |
| 18:51.32 | Adys | the desire is in almost-new condition |
| 18:51.39 | Corrodias | magenta is overall a better color |
| 18:51.41 | kullervo | I do too but accidents happen |
| 18:52.20 | Fisker | i'd personally say fuck 4g though |
| 18:52.29 | Fisker | it's pseudo-4g over here anyway |
| 18:52.40 | Fisker | and nexus 4 can do up to 42Mb/s |
| 18:52.46 | Adys | kullervo: if i break it before the warranty, its mostly fine. if i break it after the warranty im a retard and deserve to have to pay for a new one |
| 18:53.03 | Adys | kullervo: but fwiw, ive never broken any hardware pieces, accident or not |
| 18:53.09 | Adys | ive damaged a couple (keyboards mostly) |
| 18:53.41 | kullervo | those literally wear out |
| 18:53.56 | Adys | exactly |
| 18:54.00 | Adys | as i said, i take care of my shit :mp |
| 18:54.03 | Adys | :P |
| 18:55.37 | Fisker | nexus 4 is a steal though if you get it from google |
| 18:55.43 | Fisker | you live in the uk right? |
| 18:55.46 | Adys | yes |
| 18:55.48 | Fisker | only like £279 |
| 18:56.04 | Adys | kullervo: my most damaged piece of hardware in the house is a macintosh SE 20, the monitor light is dead |
| 18:56.17 | Adys | its from 1988 and broke in 2007 |
| 18:56.37 | Adys | I also have a keyboard with a loose "2" key. |
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| 18:59.00 | Elkano | if you bought a new one in 2007, it would most likely be broken by now, too :( |
| 18:59.33 | Adys | thats because they stopped manufacturing them twenty two years ago. |
| 18:59.48 | karl_w_w | ive never understood how people can constantly be dropping thfir phone |
| 19:00.14 | Elkano | well, I ment it more general... stuff used to be a lot more durable... |
| 19:01.31 | karl_w_w | im sure that's not really true, Elkano |
| 19:04.35 | karl_w_w | its just that the stuff that didnt break you still have, and the stuff that broke is gone and forgotten |
| 19:08.06 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: you had a galaxy nexus right? |
| 19:08.16 | Fisker | sure Arrowmaster |
| 19:08.21 | Arrowmaster | send it to me |
| 19:08.28 | Fisker | had being the operative word |
| 19:08.40 | Arrowmaster | i broke the nfc in my nexus s |
| 19:08.46 | Fisker | get nexus 4 |
| 19:08.48 | Fisker | problem solved |
| 19:08.49 | Arrowmaster | actually i didnt break it, google wallet did |
| 19:08.56 | Fisker | actually no it didn't |
| 19:09.00 | Fisker | your incompetence did |
| 19:09.00 | Fisker | :D |
| 19:09.10 | Fisker | gg breaking the secure element |
| 19:09.33 | Fisker | (It's ok i still love you) |
| 19:09.46 | Arrowmaster | no it did, it locked up trying to get info on the removed prepaid card that was still active and when i came back i had to reenter my pin again and when i did "secure element not responding" |
| 19:09.48 | Fisker | anyway don't have it anymore |
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| 19:10.19 | Arrowmaster | $349 seems a bit much for only 16gb |
| 19:10.20 | Fisker | all instances of the secure element failing to work i've heard of is basically as a result of user tinkering |
| 19:10.28 | Fisker | are you crazy? |
| 19:10.35 | Fisker | any other phone would be like double the price almost |
| 19:10.52 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: the only user tinkering ive done is to install google wallet since att wont let me install it from the play store |
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| 19:11.10 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: i got my nexus s for free, im cheap |
| 19:11.12 | Fisker | sure you haven't like installed custom roms and shit? |
| 19:11.44 | Arrowmaster | i have, but wallet worked and then it didnt work without me messing with the rom in between |
| 19:12.29 | Fisker | weird |
| 19:12.36 | Fisker | anyway let me fix you up |
| 19:12.42 | Fisker | https://play.google.com/store/devices |
| 19:12.51 | Fisker | go there in 5 days |
| 19:13.01 | Fisker | waves his hand |
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| 19:13.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah all previous instances of the secure element failing ive heard of have been due to installing/updating a rom without first resetting google wallet |
| 19:13.47 | Arrowmaster | they really should have thought the secure element thing through and provided a way to just completely wipe it instead of just locking up when theres a mismatch between the chip and the apps data |
| 19:14.22 | Fisker | they probably elected not to for security reasons |
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| 19:19.54 | Neffi | Which languages use the keywords "where" and "when"? |
| 19:20.33 | Neffi | I think SQL uses where, but never seen `when` used |
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| 19:37.16 | Arrowmaster | new humble bundle for android! |
| 19:38.29 | Dagmar | Alreayd bought, because THIS TIME more than just one thing has my interest |
| 19:38.58 | Arrowmaster | and now ive bought |
| 19:39.35 | Fisker | do not want |
| 19:39.40 | Fisker | you should get a nexus 4 instead Arrowmaster |
| 19:39.52 | Arrowmaster | i just buy it anyway without really looking at the games too much because hey its cheap and humble games are usually really good |
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| 19:41.49 | Arrowmaster | kd3: humble bundle for andorid 4 |
| 19:41.55 | kd3 | hm |
| 19:42.01 | Fisker | tackles kd3 |
| 19:43.31 | Arrowmaster | why is there a machinarium version for tablets with screens larger than 1280x1024, what tablets even have that size |
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| 19:55.48 | Unkle | Arrowmaster Someone is future-proofing their app? |
| 20:01.02 | Arrowmaster | actually a proper app for android doesnt need multiple versions |
| 20:08.01 | Neffi | I always think something's wrong somewhere when I hear that an application doesn't support a specific resolution. |
| 20:08.06 | Neffi | What are these people doing? |
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| 20:28.26 | Semlar | ugh, this struct i was going off of is wrong wrong wrong |
| 20:28.42 | Semlar | and it was posted 2 months ago |
| 20:29.46 | Semlar | so i'm going through these columns and trying to figure them out for myself |
| 20:42.17 | Arrowmaster | if you just purchased the new humble bundle be sure to upvote http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=92975821 |
| 20:42.44 | Arrowmaster | its the greenlight page for the one game in the bundle thats not already on steam |
| 20:43.39 | Dagmar | I would like them to work on the humble bundle app a bit |
| 20:43.57 | Dagmar | Exiting the app without installing what it just downloaded probably shouldn't discard the downloaded files. |
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| 20:50.13 | Arrowmaster | i kinda wish it would delete the files right after it finishes installing the game |
| 20:50.28 | Arrowmaster | i was down to only 800mb free on my n7 |
| 20:50.32 | Arrowmaster | which is very very bad |
| 20:50.56 | Dagmar | I wound up downloading all of htem about 2.5x |
| 20:51.10 | Dagmar | I task-swapped... and then swore |
| 20:51.21 | Dagmar | ...and then I docked the thing... swore some more. |
| 20:51.48 | Dagmar | Finally had them all downloaded, went to look for icons, came back... all buttons said "Download" again |
| 20:52.12 | Arrowmaster | eufloria is upside down for me....... |
| 20:52.31 | Dagmar | Next time I'm just going to download the apks manually |
| 20:56.40 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/Cn4PF |
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| 21:01.32 | Arrowmaster | https://plus.google.com/117037955364932594362/posts/GkdCKQjhP1B |
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| 21:15.15 | Vlad| | Semlar: back home after work. how did it go? I made a quest scanner too :D |
| 21:15.46 | Semlar | the struct definition on that page was not right |
| 21:15.49 | Vlad| | 100 tips, .125 intervals, 5 sec timeouts |
| 21:15.57 | Vlad| | yeah it may have changed, how is it going? |
| 21:16.13 | Semlar | i'm working on labeling the columns myself |
| 21:16.22 | Semlar | or at least the ones that matters |
| 21:17.21 | Xuerian | Arrowmaster: Dafuq is that |
| 21:17.28 | Xuerian | Waking mars, that is. |
| 21:20.07 | Vlad| | Semlar: did you experience the query message to be shown longer than 3 seconds? the "retrieving info..." one |
| 21:20.47 | Semlar | i never even saw that message |
| 21:21.02 | Semlar | it's possible that i didn't get every quest |
| 21:21.46 | Vlad| | if the server doesn't reply quick enough you may end up waiting some seconds |
| 21:21.59 | Vlad| | I guess 5 seconds is resonable but unsure how internal throttling works :P |
| 21:22.13 | Semlar | my script never waited |
| 21:22.34 | Semlar | if it didn't get a response within the half second it just moved on to the next id |
| 21:23.17 | Dagmar | The Sword & Sorcery one might as well be upside down, because someone decided it needed to be forced landscape mode... which basically is upside down on my tablet |
| 21:24.26 | Vlad| | you just wanted to do it as quick as possible |
| 21:24.32 | Vlad| | gonna check if there are differences with you and my cache :D |
| 21:26.00 | Semlar | okay |
| 21:26.04 | Vlad| | fyi there are some huge gaps of no quests sometimes :D |
| 21:26.35 | Vlad| | 17100 to 17200 had no quests ^^ |
| 21:26.49 | Semlar | i should mention i just assumed there were no quests between 15000 and 20000 |
| 21:27.00 | Vlad| | why assumed? :D |
| 21:27.48 | kd3 | YES! FUCKING FINALLY! [Reins of the White Polar Bear] GET! |
| 21:27.50 | Vlad| | (using http://pastebin.com/UvEQ3sN9 atm) |
| 21:27.55 | Semlar | because after about 14500 i got disconnected so i revised by script and told it to start at 20438 based on the ids in questv2.dbc |
| 21:28.04 | Vlad| | 100 threads, 5 sec timeouts, .125 onupdate sleep |
| 21:28.22 | Vlad| | even a cute counter to tell me how many queries it does per second :p |
| 21:28.30 | Semlar | i do know that every quest is not necessarily in questv2.dbc |
| 21:28.48 | Semlar | because the one i ended on came after the max id in there |
| 21:29.23 | Vlad| | seems there are like up to 33000 quests in game on the PTR |
| 21:29.28 | Vlad| | based on latest additions on wowhead ptr |
| 21:29.36 | Vlad| | so waiting for 100k is a bit excessive :P |
| 21:29.48 | Semlar | yeah i didn't do it on the ptr because it kept going down |
| 21:30.02 | Semlar | i just did it on live |
| 21:30.22 | Semlar | i'll redo it when i figure out how to parse it how i want |
| 21:30.47 | Vlad| | ofc |
| 21:30.59 | Semlar | i'm not even sure what data i want out of it |
| 21:31.02 | Vlad| | 64% completed |
| 21:31.27 | Vlad| | well it had something to do with zone/area/map ids |
| 21:31.33 | Vlad| | would help know what quest is where |
| 21:31.57 | Semlar | i was trying to figure out how many quests were in each zone |
| 21:32.27 | Semlar | but since i have to store a shitton of information for that i'm probably going to expand what it does |
| 21:33.15 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 21:33.23 | Vlad| | might as well have a useful library for the quests ;D |
| 21:33.41 | Semlar | there might already be one |
| 21:33.50 | Vlad| | lol the segment 24000 had a shitload of quests :D |
| 21:33.56 | Vlad| | scanned like 500 each second ;D |
| 21:34.00 | Vlad| | up to 30k something |
| 21:34.17 | Semlar | my last id was 32 somethin |
| 21:34.24 | Vlad| | 32547 atm |
| 21:34.30 | Vlad| | 32639 |
| 21:34.31 | Vlad| | :3 |
| 21:34.33 | Semlar | ptr probably has more |
| 21:34.37 | Vlad| | on live atm |
| 21:34.52 | Vlad| | 33 |
| 21:35.16 | Semlar | well if you're up to 33k i definitely missed quests |
| 21:35.18 | Vlad| | weird it keeps going even wowhead has no info on these quests :P |
| 21:35.58 | Vlad| | 34239 |
| 21:36.04 | Semlar | i think the way we're getting quest data is not how they get it |
| 21:36.43 | Vlad| | hang on |
| 21:36.52 | Vlad| | nah they probably datamine too |
| 21:37.18 | kd3 | 'probably'? understatement of the hour |
| 21:37.22 | Semlar | well, i think they use the cache file but it's going to be based on players who actually get the quests in their log |
| 21:37.57 | Semlar | we're just scanning every number until it stops giving us datas |
| 21:39.46 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 21:39.48 | Vlad| | the wowhead addon yes |
| 21:39.55 | Vlad| | but you never know what wowhead team does behind the scenes :D |
| 21:40.06 | Fisker | not even a bug Arrowmaster |
| 21:40.23 | Fisker | lasagne |
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| 21:41.29 | Vlad| | Seerah came quickly when we mentioned datamining :P |
| 21:42.42 | Vlad| | 13,8 MB (14 520 951 bytes) |
| 21:43.52 | Vlad| | yours was 13,8 MB (14 524 416 bytes) |
| 21:44.00 | Vlad| | 4k bytes more? whaaa |
| 21:44.02 | Semlar | owned |
| 21:44.42 | Semlar | i don't know, i deleted my cache before i logged in and that was like a level 20 character |
| 21:44.57 | Semlar | not that it should matter if we're scanning every quest in the game |
| 21:45.02 | Vlad| | maybe additional data is stored when you personally get the quest? |
| 21:45.08 | Vlad| | no clue |
| 21:45.23 | Semlar | does your character have no quests? |
| 21:45.51 | Vlad| | he had some, like 4-5 |
| 21:46.01 | Semlar | i think i had 2 |
| 21:47.33 | Vlad| | the game does not sort the cache |
| 21:47.38 | Vlad| | meaning I can't do a hex compare |
| 21:47.38 | Vlad| | :D |
| 21:49.00 | Vlad| | 17123 quests cached |
| 21:49.04 | Vlad| | wowhead client counted for me :P |
| 21:49.09 | Vlad| | what is your number Semlar? |
| 21:49.19 | Semlar | uh, hold on |
| 21:49.26 | Semlar | i'll have to write a function |
| 21:49.27 | Vlad| | my max quest is 32396 |
| 21:49.32 | Vlad| | oh |
| 21:49.53 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=32114 :D |
| 21:51.02 | Semlar | 17114 |
| 21:51.11 | Vlad| | :o |
| 21:51.35 | Semlar | ish |
| 21:51.51 | Semlar | candy bucket candy bucket candy bucket |
| 21:51.56 | Vlad| | :D |
| 21:52.14 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=31759 |
| 21:52.24 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=31763 |
| 21:52.27 | Semlar | a lot of these are not even quests you can get so i hope there's a way to filter these |
| 21:52.31 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=31764 |
| 21:52.43 | Vlad| | I like caps lock names ;D |
| 21:53.08 | Vlad| | like |
| 21:53.09 | Semlar | how does wowhead determine the quest is no longer in the game |
| 21:53.20 | Vlad| | guess work |
| 21:53.20 | kd3 | there's a field in the dbcs |
| 21:53.41 | Vlad| | maybe, I know that creatures can say "no longer in game" but it is :P |
| 21:53.46 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=31697 :D |
| 21:53.56 | Vlad| | ACCIDENTAL COPY [reuse if you like] |
| 21:54.18 | Semlar | well, i only found like one dbc file with actual quest ids in it |
| 21:54.38 | Semlar | and it has quests you can't get |
| 21:54.45 | Fisker | spaghetti's Shirik |
| 21:55.15 | Semlar | i'm hoping one of the fields in the wdb file will tell me |
| 21:56.10 | Vlad| | hehe, look |
| 21:56.23 | Vlad| | http://i.imgur.com/yuMMZ.jpg |
| 21:56.24 | Vlad| | :D |
| 21:57.22 | Semlar | i'll track you |
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| 21:59.26 | Vlad| | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=28344&from-client |
| 21:59.31 | Vlad| | Can you smell what the Rock is cooking? |
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| 22:07.16 | Vlad| | how is it going semlar? |
| 22:07.18 | Vlad| | found the struct? |
| 22:09.13 | Vlad| | be honest, did I help you at all today, Semlar? |
| 22:10.49 | Semlar | of course |
| 22:12.00 | Vlad| | I usually feel useless regarding advice, most I say others know already lol |
| 22:14.14 | Semlar | don't worry, i don't know anything |
| 22:16.08 | Vlad| | I couldn't have done the map thing |
| 22:16.12 | Vlad| | I'd use much more time than you :) |
| 22:16.35 | Semlar | i kind of want to see rythal do it |
| 22:16.53 | Vlad| | ;D |
| 22:17.02 | Vlad| | sadly rewriting old code |
| 22:17.09 | Vlad| | tends to bring the bad habbits :P |
| 22:17.13 | Vlad| | into the new project |
| 22:17.39 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure he's planning on using the same model that requires all of that map data |
| 22:17.50 | zenzelezz | Vlad|: you start all your files with Option Explicit, don't you |
| 22:18.01 | Vlad| | whatdoes that mean? lol |
| 22:18.31 | zenzelezz | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/y9341s4f%28v=vs.80%29.aspx |
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| 22:19.57 | Semlar | my base map was only using like 20kb of memory |
| 22:20.46 | Semlar | which is basically like carbonite's map without any of the built in data |
| 22:21.06 | Vlad| | I prefer your approach |
| 22:21.10 | Vlad| | more automated the better |
| 22:21.50 | Semlar | the overlay data uses about 150kb |
| 22:22.00 | Semlar | to uncover the unexplored areas |
| 22:23.28 | Semlar | you could probably have it drop any entries that the person has already discovered to save some processing |
| 22:23.42 | Semlar | really i should have done that |
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| 22:31.43 | Vlad| | won't be a issue if it's a LOD module :D |
| 22:32.25 | Semlar | yeah, but i threw together a standalone copy of my module because someone was asking for it on wowinterface |
| 22:32.45 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21830-Foglight.html |
| 22:33.16 | Semlar | it could be moar optimized |
| 22:33.51 | Dark_Elf | looks good |
| 22:34.39 | Vlad| | gonna critique your coding! |
| 22:34.48 | Vlad| | you don't like using full words I see? |
| 22:34.54 | Vlad| | rgb instead of red green and blue |
| 22:34.55 | Vlad| | :P |
| 22:35.00 | Semlar | :| |
| 22:35.14 | Semlar | the only reason those are even up there is to let people change the color if they want |
| 22:35.16 | Vlad| | I was pulling off a Shirik :D |
| 22:35.36 | mckenziemc | how do you know he didn't mean Roxanne, George, and Barney? |
| 22:36.15 | Semlar | i also should have generated the database in lowercase |
| 22:36.54 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure the names line up with the case in game but i convert them both to lowercase to be sure |
| 22:37.22 | Dagmar | I find it strange that the Humble Bundle for Android only shows stats for people buying it for Windows, Mac, or Linux.... not Android. |
| 22:39.01 | bleeter | And now, from our series of 'Stupid Seppo Stories' http://gawker.com/5958923/australia-twitter+shames-the-crap-out-of-random-teen-who-threatens-to-move-down-under-after-obama-win |
| 22:39.41 | Dagmar | Wow. Is it too late to join in on that? |
| 22:40.54 | Dark_Elf | looks at the code |
| 22:41.06 | Dagmar | Awww... she deleted her Twitter account already. |
| 22:42.35 | Dark_Elf | dang i was having nightmares of carbonite while reading the code |
| 22:42.49 | Vlad| | lol |
| 22:42.59 | Semlar | >_> |
| 22:43.03 | Vlad| | president is a Christian |
| 22:43.04 | Vlad| | LOOOOOOL |
| 22:43.17 | Vlad| | yeah that automatically settles everything in your life ;D |
| 22:43.31 | Vlad| | "and actually supports what he says" :D |
| 22:43.33 | Dagmar | Vlad: They don't have a President |
| 22:43.34 | Vlad| | funny tweet |
| 22:43.49 | Dagmar | They have a Prime Minster. |
| 22:43.51 | Semlar | hey, my code is more readable than carbonite |
| 22:44.07 | Dark_Elf | was teasing |
| 22:44.08 | Dagmar | ...who is female, and an atheist. |
| 22:44.09 | Vlad| | that's another matter :P |
| 22:44.21 | Vlad| | just not sure if she is joking |
| 22:44.22 | Vlad| | or dumb |
| 22:44.23 | Vlad| | xD |
| 22:44.29 | Dagmar | This is why we need to start screening for stupidity at an early age. |
| 22:44.32 | Vlad| | or ignorant |
| 22:44.45 | Dagmar | Dumb as the proverbial sack of hammers. |
| 22:45.05 | Dagmar | This is what we've been fighting against... These are the people who can be tricked into voting for Mitt. |
| 22:45.06 | Semlar | it would probably look more readable if i moved the overlay database into a separate file |
| 22:45.48 | Vlad| | Semlar stop fixating on silly things |
| 22:45.51 | Dark_Elf | well i saw the overlay info, and carbonite was first thing that popped to mine, sorry for the oversight |
| 22:45.53 | xyphoid | haha there were a few people saying "i'll move to New Zealand" too - er, we have socialised healthcare and accident compensation |
| 22:46.09 | Semlar | fixates on vlad |
| 22:46.25 | Vlad| | fixates on Semlar |
| 22:47.01 | Semlar | i feel like i was working on something |
| 22:47.51 | Semlar | it's probably not important |
| 22:48.04 | Vlad| | :D |
| 22:48.06 | Vlad| | parsing the cache file |
| 22:48.42 | Semlar | Struct('74i').unpack(questData[:offset1]) |
| 22:49.08 | Semlar | i've decided everything is an int |
| 22:50.29 | Vlad| | :D |
| 22:50.42 | Vlad| | oh lord, browsing the internet I found "Beauty Basics: Foundation tips and tricks" |
| 22:51.02 | Vlad| | everyone knows you are as beautiful as the amount of powder on your face, the more, the better. |
| 22:52.49 | Vlad| | it's funny that I care so much about other women wearing makeup, don't know why I am so against abusing such products >.< |
| 22:53.13 | Vlad| | maybe I am like those "in the closet" people, usually those taking a strong stance are gay, in my case I will probably start to use makeup at some point :P |
| 22:54.30 | mckenziemc | http://newyork.newsday.com/news/new-york/sandy-looting-fears-plague-new-york-as-nor-easter-looms-1.4193609 o.o |
| 23:00.45 | Semlar | 23 skidoo! |
| 23:02.12 | Dark_Elf | have gun, will shoot |
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| 23:07.27 | Vlad| | talking so lightly of taking a life |
| 23:07.30 | Vlad| | :< |
| 23:08.53 | Dark_Elf | shame what people will do, for others peoples stuff they worked hard for |
| 23:09.51 | Dark_Elf | even more a shame when they catch people for such crimes their jail time is so short as well |
| 23:20.24 | Vlad| | the internet is really really great -for ... |
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| 23:31.15 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 23:48.15 | Vlad| | lol bots |
| 23:49.05 | Vlad| | http://i.imgur.com/CFJ8s.jpg running back and forth trying to loot the quest item, but it's bugged saying "in use" so yeah, they keep walking back and forth and looting it :P |
| 23:49.15 | Vlad| | reported 4 players for cheating today, botting. |
| 23:49.47 | pompy | Vlad|: thats quite the cropped screenshot! |
| 23:49.51 | Vlad| | ye |
| 23:50.05 | Vlad| | pidgin has a plugin for screenshots but it's not vsynced so it can bug out :P |
| 23:50.13 | Vlad| | so I cropped it to the "important" part |
| 23:50.42 | pompy | it'll show em in the convo window? |
| 23:51.39 | Vlad| | what do you mean? |
| 23:51.58 | Vlad| | it's just a basic grab and upload plugin |
| 23:52.12 | pompy | ah nice |
| 23:52.51 | pompy | i wish there was a plugin to show/hide join/parts per channel. not just global. :\ |
| 23:52.54 | Vlad| | I am trying to find this kind of music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pioBHf11N78#t=48s creepy scifi ;D |
| 23:53.01 | Vlad| | so far no success :< |
| 23:54.25 | Dark_Elf | video is currently unvailable... i do so hate youtube when it say that |
| 23:55.24 | kd3 | http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/11/old-data-reveals-super-earth-lurking-in-a-nearby-stars-habitable-zone |
| 23:55.44 | kd3 | the next few years (assuming we actually get the telescope launches) are going to be awesome |
| 23:57.24 | pompy | Vlad|: somewhere here i think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLviMEG_xZc |
| 23:58.25 | Vlad| | I heard it all |
| 23:58.27 | Vlad| | wasn't :P |
