| 00:00.05 | Semlar | and also the FriendsMicroButton and GeneralDockmanager |
| 00:00.12 | Semlar | you can add whatever other frames you want to that table |
| 00:00.38 | Teapot | nods. |
| 00:00.54 | Semlar | and you can make that easier to read i just didn't want to output a bunch of stuff to the chat although i guess i could have pasted it somewhere |
| 00:01.16 | Teapot | It's alright, I'll indent it properly when I paste it in. |
| 00:01.43 | Teapot | Will that code interfere with chat addons at all? I'm assuming not as they'd still be modifying the same elements, but worth asking. |
| 00:01.54 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 00:02.04 | Semlar | it seems unlikely |
| 00:02.09 | Teapot | Alright. I'll give It a test anyway, but yeah |
| 00:02.26 | Semlar | i also don't know if prat renames the chat or anything |
| 00:02.34 | Teapot | I don't think it does. |
| 00:02.39 | Teapot | It does add its own button, though. |
| 00:03.21 | Teapot | But I can deal with that as it happens. |
| 00:03.38 | Semlar | if prat already reparents the chat frame then it won't work because this only checks the first level under UIParent |
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| 00:03.54 | Teapot | nods. |
| 00:04.23 | Semlar | you could do it recursively if you had to |
| 00:04.32 | Semlar | i couldn't find anything in the framexml that would make this simpler |
| 00:04.59 | Teapot | Also, just in case: any license on that code? I'd credit you on anything I released (if I ever got it in a state to do so) obviously, but if you'd prefer I keep it to myself I shall do that. |
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| 00:05.10 | Semlar | no you can do whatever you want with it |
| 00:05.21 | Teapot | Okay, thanks :) |
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| 00:13.22 | sylvanaar | Semlar: what |
| 00:13.56 | Semlar | sup |
| 00:14.14 | sylvanaar | iono, did someone have a prat question? |
| 00:14.21 | Semlar | oh |
| 00:14.30 | Semlar | does prat reparent the default chat frames |
| 00:14.35 | sylvanaar | no |
| 00:14.49 | Semlar | would reparenting them interfere with it |
| 00:15.16 | sylvanaar | I dont think so |
| 00:15.40 | Semlar | teapot wants to show/hide all the chat stuff with a button |
| 00:15.56 | Semlar | so i just suggested reparenting everything to a frame they could toggle |
| 00:16.08 | sylvanaar | So, why not hide the dock frame |
| 00:16.43 | Semlar | what's it called |
| 00:17.10 | sylvanaar | id have to look. something dockframe |
| 00:17.35 | Semlar | that's just in prat though right, i didn't see any parents in the default interface |
| 00:17.38 | sylvanaar | no |
| 00:17.48 | Semlar | hm |
| 00:17.51 | sylvanaar | it is part of scrollingmessageframe |
| 00:17.56 | sylvanaar | er |
| 00:18.02 | sylvanaar | floatingchatframe |
| 00:18.45 | Semlar | GENERAL_CHAT_DOCK.DOCKED_CHAT_FRAMES ? |
| 00:19.02 | sylvanaar | there you go GENERAL_CHAT_DOCK, sounds right |
| 00:20.07 | Teapot | Hm. I'll give that a go later and see if it works. Thanks :) |
| 00:20.12 | sylvanaar | it wont cover undocked frames |
| 00:21.10 | Semlar | seems like you'd probably want to treat the tabs you pull out separately anyway |
| 00:21.49 | Semlar | i would still probably reparent them to one frame you could toggle on and off |
| 00:21.50 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 00:22.27 | Semlar | unless SELECTED_DOCK_FRAME would be enough |
| 00:22.42 | sylvanaar | that is the frame in the dock that is showing |
| 00:23.18 | Semlar | yeah but the other ones are hidden anyway |
| 00:23.54 | Semlar | so i figure toggling that one's visibility is basically all that matters |
| 00:24.14 | Semlar | right? |
| 00:24.18 | Torhal | Holy fucking entitlement issues: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=267906#post267906 |
| 00:24.32 | sylvanaar | well, you will still see the dock i think |
| 00:24.41 | Semlar | you'd still see the tabs and other buttons |
| 00:24.43 | sylvanaar | if there are others there |
| 00:25.28 | Thunder_Child | Torhal: I dont see it as that, more of a request |
| 00:25.39 | Thunder_Child | it's not demanding, it's asking |
| 00:26.08 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Very snide, though, with all of the EMPHASIS in it about things the person WANTS. |
| 00:26.25 | Thunder_Child | as oopsed to what? |
| 00:26.29 | Thunder_Child | opposed* |
| 00:26.39 | Thunder_Child | oh...you mean the caps |
| 00:26.46 | sylvanaar | I don't get it. One of my SSDs loads files with response times like 20 SECONDS. WTF |
| 00:26.51 | Thunder_Child | *shrg* i ignored all of that |
| 00:27.27 | Semlar | maybe it's on its way out |
| 00:27.39 | sylvanaar | i just bought it. |
| 00:28.05 | sylvanaar | er them |
| 00:28.05 | Semlar | i suppose it could be set up in a less than ideal configuration |
| 00:28.20 | sylvanaar | I'd like to find out what that is |
| 00:28.34 | Semlar | the other ones are identical? |
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| 00:28.38 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 00:28.55 | Semlar | they're all formatted the same way? |
| 00:29.01 | sylvanaar | It doesnt happen 100% of the time either |
| 00:29.37 | sylvanaar | yeah, they are formatted the same. Ill recheck alignment i suppose |
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| 00:30.38 | sylvanaar | If i benchmark it, it is fine.... it only happens when running a program on that drive |
| 00:31.08 | Semlar | could be specific to that program |
| 00:31.48 | sylvanaar | no |
| 00:31.58 | sylvanaar | it seems to be many of them |
| 00:33.27 | Semlar | did you clone an hdd onto it |
| 00:33.33 | sylvanaar | no |
| 00:33.41 | Semlar | hrm |
| 00:33.43 | sylvanaar | i formatted it, and copied the files |
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| 00:36.36 | sylvanaar | brb |
| 00:36.37 | kd3|hate`net | yay power blinks |
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| 00:37.43 | Thunder_Child | was tjay tje server? |
| 00:37.47 | Thunder_Child | that the* |
| 00:38.04 | Thunder_Child | kd3|hate`net: i saw 4 you guys suddenly drop |
| 00:38.35 | kd3|hate`net | nope. but another person in my group dropped at the same time, apparently |
| 00:38.40 | Neffi | Anyone know of a good guide for a long-time PvPer (w/ feral experience) looking to play resto druid for the first time? |
| 00:40.28 | Neffi | never played a healer at all btw. |
| 00:40.48 | Thunder_Child | start small |
| 00:41.51 | Neffi | Well I'm switching over to help my brother gear up e/ 2s since he's new to WoW (first top-level char). Just looking for a quick rundown on how to approach arena healing for somebody that's never done it. |
| 00:42.30 | Neffi | I'm a good PvPer, but healing is so new to me. I wanna be able to do relatively well so he doesn't have such an uphill battle learning arenas for the first time. |
| 00:42.33 | Semlar | my partner was a druid healer |
| 00:43.21 | Semlar | aside from the actual healing they did a lot of running around shifting out of slows, rooting and cycloning |
| 00:43.44 | Neffi | All the resources I usually peruse for good class info on PvP are either not updated for MoP, or are still very rough and unsure about new mechanics |
| 00:44.06 | Neffi | Well that's just part of being a druid. I probably do that even more as a feral. |
| 00:44.14 | Neffi | Kiting w/ forms is not what's new to me |
| 00:44.31 | Semlar | yeah i know, i was a feral druid with a resto healer |
| 00:44.35 | Semlar | it was a horrible combination |
| 00:44.56 | Neffi | But hell, I'm so alien to healing (and haven't even touched casters since mid BC) that I don't even know which stats do what for them. |
| 00:45.07 | Neffi | The idea that spirit belongs on healing gear doesnt even make sense to me |
| 00:45.27 | Xuerian | If the last time you touched casters was in BC, it should make sense 0_o |
| 00:45.28 | Semlar | i don't think he liked spirit very much |
| 00:45.39 | Xuerian | Not that it would in pvp, but still |
| 00:45.41 | Semlar | but that was a while ago |
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| 00:45.55 | Semlar | a lot of things have probably changed |
| 00:46.07 | Neffi | Xuerian: I was an affliction warlock in PvP during the SL/SL days. We used health as a mana pool. |
| 00:46.08 | Semlar | plus i guess he had two innervates |
| 00:46.22 | Xuerian | Neffi: "The idea that spirit belongs on healing gear" |
| 00:46.32 | Neffi | Played mages anywhere from level 20 to 60 and never touched a priest. No idea about these mechanics. |
| 00:46.33 | Xuerian | If you meant "caster" not "healer", then ignore me |
| 00:47.08 | Neffi | Well warlock was my only real caster and I did my share of theorycrafting, and spirit was never a stat for us |
| 00:47.14 | Neffi | When I played I mean |
| 00:47.16 | Xuerian | Again, you said healer |
| 00:47.20 | Xuerian | That's all I'm talking about |
| 00:47.26 | Neffi | Oh, sorry |
| 00:48.00 | Neffi | Yeah back then the only thing I knew about healing was some forum discussion where people were championing MP/5 over spirit because spirit regen couldn't occur while casting |
| 00:48.04 | Neffi | that's how outdated I am |
| 00:49.23 | Neffi | purl: ping |
| 00:49.23 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:49.28 | Neffi | purl, how do i get help? |
| 00:49.28 | purl | ACTION fetches help |
| 00:49.51 | Neffi | ~seen zirco |
| 00:49.54 | purl | Neffi: i haven't seen 'zirco' |
| 00:50.19 | Neffi | ping Auctionator author |
| 00:51.07 | Vlad| | nevcairiel: I have a bug report for mapster :P |
| 00:51.42 | Neffi | Vlad|: What is it? (Just curious) |
| 00:51.45 | Vlad| | nevcairiel: if I click on pois the poi icon disappears in combat and doesn't reappear either |
| 00:51.56 | Vlad| | there is a issue with blobs and poi icons on the map :/ |
| 00:52.56 | Vlad| | then when combat is over, each click on a poi makes it go away lol... |
| 00:53.12 | Vlad| | http://i.imgur.com/VGqlQ.jpg |
| 00:53.38 | Vlad| | looks like that when they are gone if I click in the log only the blobs appear but disappear if I hide the quest panel on the map |
| 00:53.42 | Neffi | I can confirm the above. POIs are very buggy. But I was under the impression that the issue was Blizz's. |
| 00:53.56 | Vlad| | default blizzard map blobs work fine |
| 00:54.02 | Vlad| | I've not had this issue with the default map |
| 00:54.29 | Neffi | It's not strictly related to combat, as I've had scenarious where I a click a blob to get the blue shit on the minimap, then as soon as the map closes it goes away |
| 00:54.34 | Vlad| | dig sites is bugged too |
| 00:54.36 | Neffi | as if it's being unselected |
| 00:54.44 | Vlad| | right now the dig sites don't even show :< |
| 00:55.27 | Vlad| | I liked mapster but maybe I'll wait for Semlars addon ;D |
| 00:55.28 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=506076499411867&set=a.261652183854301.69851.261650307187822&type=1&comment_id=1587116&offset=0&total_comments=85 heh |
| 00:55.44 | Semlar | >_> |
| 00:56.09 | Semlar | i'm sure nev can fix mapster for you |
| 00:56.32 | Vlad| | ofc but nevcairiel is probably busy with other projects and cba to update the mapster framework ^^ |
| 00:57.02 | Vlad| | my educated guess is this has been going on since mop :3 |
| 01:00.03 | Vlad| | as I've said long ago and keep repeating myself, the map framework needs overhaul :( |
| 01:00.18 | Vlad| | raid units appear on zones they aren't even in atm, on the default map :P |
| 01:00.22 | Semlar | if i remember correctly mapster uses the actual world map frame |
| 01:01.12 | Semlar | so it seems like it should work pretty much the same |
| 01:01.30 | Xuerian | Seems like Vlad| was referring to the world map frame |
| 01:01.41 | Vlad| | jupp |
| 01:01.47 | Vlad| | default map system |
| 01:01.51 | Vlad| | not mapster specific :P |
| 01:02.01 | sylvanaar | my disk problem is some known win 8 issue. with 50 different "fixes" posted for it |
| 01:02.01 | Vlad| | they just need to make a more unified framework for adding layers on top of the map and such |
| 01:02.37 | Vlad| | Xuerian :D |
| 01:03.34 | Vlad| | Xuerian I have a XLoot related thingy, got time? |
| 01:03.37 | Xuerian | Problem with that is either having the foresight to either include or leave open for such modifications, or having to rewrite it and everything that uses it currently instead of hacking around on top of it |
| 01:03.46 | Xuerian | Vlad|: Sure, have at |
| 01:05.30 | Vlad| | just to round off the world map talk, atm they got own frame object for achaeology to put on the blob markings, they got their own for boss icons, pvp related icons, so forth, instead of one unified system to place blobs (area markings) on top and specifiy color, border, e.g. and pois (clickable circles) for clickable areas, changing the icon, colors, e.g. I feel they should use one widget object that supports adding two or more widget types, |
| 01:05.35 | Vlad| | anyway! |
| 01:05.49 | Vlad| | XLoot does not show quest items in the loot box if I loot too quick with auto loot addon :D |
| 01:05.59 | Vlad| | it's odd, it shows the other items on the frame but the quest items are "invisible" hehe |
| 01:07.25 | Xuerian | Vlad|: More specific here; "auto loot addon" is? XLoot's auto-loot settings are set to? WoW auto loot set to? |
| 01:07.49 | Vlad| | thing is there is a auto loot overkill :P |
| 01:07.55 | Vlad| | default one is on, addon one is on and I have my own lol |
| 01:08.11 | Vlad| | so I guess it loots so fast that quest items are not listed, but why only quest items? :P |
| 01:08.20 | Vlad| | the other kind of items properly show hehe |
| 01:08.53 | Vlad| | not a XLoot bug but just curious why there is an exception to quest items :P |
| 01:09.19 | Xuerian | XLoot's specific one behaves as such: If coin and option on, silently loot coin and display rest. If quest item, have space, and option on, silently loot and display rest |
| 01:09.54 | Xuerian | This conflicts (gracefully) with WoW's autoloot, as it triggers as "That object is busy" message and continues. Not sure how it's interacting with yours, if you have your own you should disable XLoot's. (It shouldn't be enabled by default) |
| 01:10.53 | Vlad| | yes |
| 01:10.59 | Vlad| | that happens too |
| 01:11.15 | Vlad| | but my beef was it not showing quest items lol |
| 01:11.16 | Vlad| | :P |
| 01:11.48 | Vlad| | so you are saying it silently loots money and quest items without showing them |
| 01:11.50 | Vlad| | if the option is enabled |
| 01:12.06 | Vlad| | I disabled it atm |
| 01:12.07 | Xuerian | If the option is enabled and it can, yes. It won't even show them. |
| 01:12.14 | Vlad| | that explains it :D |
| 01:12.16 | Xuerian | If it is disabled, it should show everything on the body |
| 01:12.39 | Xuerian | I think the problem is it was defaulted to "Solo" |
| 01:13.10 | Xuerian | Since XLoot's settings use a soft-copy on options, it would keep that when I changed the default, so I've got this subset of people who have no idea it's own |
| 01:13.11 | Xuerian | on* |
| 01:15.44 | Vlad| | I was just mentioning it in case it was some weird bug, I was not bothered by it :P |
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| 01:17.36 | Vlad| | you realize you made my job much easier in TBC+ since XLoot had ML extension and it helped me greatly distribute loot? :P |
| 01:17.40 | kd3 | oops? http://news.yahoo.com/hurricane-sandy-treks-parallel-southeast-coast-091433337.html |
| 01:18.02 | Vlad| | only thing I missed was the ability to do a old school /random roll, where all people get a number assigned and printed before the /roll then the /roll comes and everyone can see who won said item |
| 01:18.09 | Vlad| | making it a fair random ML giveaway |
| 01:18.24 | Vlad| | I made my own addon for that but would have been cool if it was a part of the addon hehe :P |
| 01:18.34 | Xuerian | XLootMaster had that. |
| 01:18.42 | Xuerian | Also, I use Miniloot quite religiously :p |
| 01:19.04 | Xuerian | I say "Had", because Dridzt took over rewriting it, and I'm not sure if it's back in |
| 01:19.04 | Vlad| | :D |
| 01:19.14 | Vlad| | yeah there was a random feature |
| 01:19.17 | Vlad| | but it just gave it away at random |
| 01:19.19 | Xuerian | There were two |
| 01:19.21 | Vlad| | ah |
| 01:19.25 | Xuerian | A psuedo-random and "Announce" |
| 01:19.30 | Xuerian | Which would track the result |
| 01:19.53 | Vlad| | honestly can't remember it at the times I "needed" it, maybe it was when the feature was rewritten or I was just stupid ;D |
| 01:20.00 | Xuerian | Conveniently also filtering jokers who entered /roll 99-100 |
| 01:20.13 | Xuerian | Well, if you needed it in the last month, you're using his version |
| 01:20.30 | Vlad| | I don't raid since cata :D |
| 01:20.36 | Xuerian | Then you used mine, and it was there :p |
| 01:20.39 | Stanzilla | Xuerian: still not done with your xloot crap? |
| 01:20.44 | Vlad| | lol Stanzilla |
| 01:20.47 | Vlad| | it's not crap |
| 01:20.55 | Vlad| | it's chocolate |
| 01:21.06 | Stanzilla | same diff |
| 01:21.09 | Stanzilla | black stuff |
| 01:21.23 | Xuerian | Stanzilla: Ugh. I wish, but I can't leave it alone. It's like a gigantic pie. I want to eat it, but then I give myself such a large serving I get sick and have to start over :( |
| 01:21.40 | Vlad| | I think XLoot is good now with the new core |
| 01:21.40 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 01:21.53 | Vlad| | tbh I should rewrite MiniLoot too, I added quite a lot more since the first version :P |
| 01:22.02 | Vlad| | would be nice with a better framework for modules |
| 01:22.24 | Vlad| | I wish events used less localized messages and more arguments :P |
| 01:22.30 | Xuerian | Vlad|: I'm actually very happy with the frame and Group right now, the fun part is going to be introducing the majority of users who are still on the old version to it :p |
| 01:22.41 | Xuerian | Sweet crap, no kidding |
| 01:23.02 | Vlad| | chat_msg_loot is used for everything loot related, making it tiresome :( |
| 01:23.11 | Xuerian | Well, it might help, I'm going to be keeping LibLootEvents updated when I rewrite monitor. It won't need to cover Group events any more, but it will give you nicely parced junk for msg_loot |
| 01:23.45 | Xuerian | locale-agnostic and all that jazz |
| 01:23.56 | Vlad| | the remade the combat log, I wish they did the same for more events :D |
| 01:24.07 | Xuerian | You and me both. |
| 01:24.17 | Xuerian | You, me, and the guy who had to write their loot history frame, actually |
| 01:24.20 | Vlad| | let the client format the output instead of the server |
| 01:24.29 | Xuerian | Which got us access to the C api for group loot, I think |
| 01:24.47 | Xuerian | That's the thing. It IS the client creating those messages |
| 01:24.53 | Vlad| | ah |
| 01:24.54 | Vlad| | lol |
| 01:24.58 | Vlad| | buu C :P |
| 01:25.21 | Vlad| | thing is it has the globalstrings for how to format the messages |
| 01:25.30 | Vlad| | at least we got that |
| 01:25.31 | Xuerian | It's a little awkward, but what they provided is fine for dealing with group loot |
| 01:25.33 | Vlad| | otherwise we'd be fucked |
| 01:25.46 | Vlad| | I only got one issue tough |
| 01:25.53 | Vlad| | if you wish to track when someone needs, greeds or passes on an item |
| 01:26.13 | Vlad| | the chat events don't show every decision anymore |
| 01:26.22 | Vlad| | so you gotta make some extension that tracks the new loot history api |
| 01:26.33 | Vlad| | it's kind of messy keeping track of the data with that thing -_- |
| 01:26.40 | Xuerian | You get a event when a items roll changes, that event passes the player, so you look up the player with the API. |
| 01:26.46 | Xuerian | You don't have to track the data |
| 01:27.16 | Vlad| | I know but I had some issues printing the appripriate data :P |
| 01:27.59 | Vlad| | I can't remember atm but you had to traverse all the history when the roll changes event fired or? |
| 01:28.03 | Xuerian | function changed(history_id, player_id) print(HistoryGetPlayerInfo(history_id, player_id) end |
| 01:28.10 | Vlad| | ah |
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| 01:28.23 | Vlad| | I am kind of confuzed as I can't remember what issues I had lol. |
| 01:28.40 | Xuerian | C_LootHistory.GetPlayerInfo, I had that local'd |
| 01:29.00 | Xuerian | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_C_LootHistory.GetPlayerInfo |
| 01:29.02 | mckenziemc | Vlad|: anterograde amnesia |
| 01:29.42 | Xuerian | Vlad|: The only real problem now is the history_id changes as new events are pushed on top of the stack |
| 01:30.16 | Vlad| | I just know that, I had some issues that required me to track the history id and traverse the rolls and such, can't quite remember what my goal was atm lol |
| 01:30.27 | Vlad| | anyway |
| 01:31.38 | Xuerian | Vlad|: Ah, yeah. historyID ~= rollID, so you have to store the rollID and traverse to find the historyID |
| 01:31.44 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 01:31.45 | Vlad| | that was it |
| 01:31.45 | Vlad| | :P |
| 01:31.49 | Vlad| | that was the issue I had lol |
| 01:32.11 | Vlad| | I knew it was about traversing something lol |
| 01:32.20 | Xuerian | Still, it's a metric crapton easier than trying to parse the old events |
| 01:32.29 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 01:32.39 | Vlad| | but atm they use both chat events |
| 01:32.42 | Vlad| | and the new roll events |
| 01:32.43 | Vlad| | -_- |
| 01:32.54 | Vlad| | chat msg loot that is |
| 01:33.29 | Xuerian | You don't need to watch chat_msg_loot any more. START_LOOT_ROLL, CANCEL_LOOT_ROLL, LOOT_HISTORY_ROLL_CHANGED, LOOT_HISTORY_ROLL_COMPLETE, and LOOT_ROLLS_COMPLETE |
| 01:33.46 | Xuerian | Unless you mean for loot in general. In which case yes, they really just need to migrate to proper events for the whole thing. |
| 01:35.43 | Vlad| | they fire who wins the roll in the loot event, decision making like who picks greed, need (though it is limited, only says that for some players lol, wonder why :P) |
| 01:36.16 | Xuerian | ROLLs_COMPLETE should contain the winner information |
| 01:36.33 | Xuerian | Or, well. You can query the winner information |
| 01:37.13 | Vlad| | there is one lack of the system |
| 01:37.20 | Vlad| | for instance |
| 01:37.28 | Vlad| | getting a list of what party members are eligible for an item |
| 01:37.42 | Vlad| | in the case of auto confirming a BOP confirmation |
| 01:38.35 | Xuerian | I probably should factor that in, but right now there's just the option to list who hasn't rolled in the Group tooltip. Not necessary like your case though, so I can see the problem |
| 01:39.03 | Vlad| | stuff like casually playing with a friend in party and he is in a completely different place |
| 01:39.09 | Vlad| | you gotta confirm rolls and BOP items :D |
| 01:39.20 | Vlad| | was hoping they'd add a way to check for this in the new API system :3 |
| 01:39.27 | Vlad| | heck even having it in the default UI would be nice |
| 01:39.28 | Xuerian | That's easy enough to check for, but it would be nice if there was a eligible flag/iterator |
| 01:39.34 | Vlad| | why roll or confirm stuff that only you can loot? :D |
| 01:39.46 | Xuerian | Point. |
| 01:39.57 | Vlad| | should just make those items behave like regular loot ^^ |
| 01:40.05 | Vlad| | they can probably even do that server side :D |
| 01:40.09 | Vlad| | without changing the client lua code |
| 01:40.54 | Xuerian | I would assume that's client side as well, ties into the problem that we can't query a item's bind status. (Bag addon makers everywhere would kill for that...) |
| 01:42.00 | Vlad| | the server could make the item appear as not a BOP item |
| 01:42.04 | Vlad| | in the cases its only lootable by you ^^ |
| 01:42.18 | Vlad| | i.e. the game would handle it like runecloth for instance :p |
| 01:42.28 | Xuerian | Yeah, I get what you're saying. |
| 01:42.44 | Vlad| | and you can query the item status GetItemInfo or something should return if an item is BOP, BOE or not |
| 01:42.54 | Vlad| | but not the current state of an item in your bags, that you gotta tooltip scan :D |
| 01:43.42 | Vlad| | you said you use miniloot, any issues? |
| 01:45.05 | Xuerian | None that I know of, works pretty flawlessly. Then again, I really don't actually play much so that isn't necessarily saying anything |
| 01:45.32 | Vlad| | I usually filter away so much loot lol |
| 01:45.35 | Vlad| | I love it :P clean chat |
| 01:45.48 | Vlad| | no xp spam, no honor spam, no low quality loot items |
| 01:46.15 | Xuerian | Yeah, combine it with Chat Collapse and Badboy and chat is nice and clean again |
| 01:46.19 | Vlad| | using any extra features? |
| 01:46.39 | Vlad| | I've added quite a lot over the year(s) lol |
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| 01:47.59 | Xuerian | Vlad|: Nope. Didn't even know about them :p |
| 01:48.14 | Vlad| | lol |
| 01:48.20 | Vlad| | it's under the extra tab |
| 01:49.00 | kd3 | is everyone ready yet? http://icons-sf.wunderground.com/data/640x480/2xus_severe.gif |
| 01:49.21 | Vlad| | is the blue rain? |
| 01:49.26 | kd3 | wind |
| 01:49.38 | Vlad| | I live in norway |
| 01:49.40 | Semlar | why am i orange |
| 01:49.42 | Vlad| | I've had worst |
| 01:49.53 | Xuerian | Semlar: You live in florida. Always orange. |
| 01:50.01 | Semlar | is it because it's the sunshine state |
| 01:50.05 | Semlar | or because of the orange groves |
| 01:50.13 | kd3 | orange is fire warning |
| 01:50.21 | Semlar | :( |
| 01:50.22 | kd3 | here's a key to the colors: http://www.wunderground.com/severe.asp |
| 01:50.27 | Xuerian | Rust, fire, bumps you shouldn't have, etc |
| 01:50.38 | Xuerian | Vlad|: Yeah, I just checked it out. I might turn some on when I get back on a actual character :p |
| 01:50.58 | Semlar | i'll keep an eye out for firestorms |
| 01:51.37 | Vlad| | mouseover links work also for the pet tooltips |
| 01:51.44 | Vlad| | oh boy, pet tooltips, damn you blizzard |
| 01:51.52 | Vlad| | :P |
| 01:51.58 | Xuerian | Hah. |
| 01:52.07 | Vlad| | it doesn't use the GameTooltip for those |
| 01:52.14 | Vlad| | they made a new frame and it annoys me :P |
| 01:52.25 | Vlad| | why not SetBattlePet API on the widget? :( |
| 01:53.23 | Xuerian | Yeah. "Standards" isn't a word that applies to their UI. Reasonably, it's a 10+year project with a evolving api :p |
| 01:53.28 | Vlad| | :D |
| 01:53.30 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 01:53.40 | Vlad| | points at archaeology implementation |
| 01:53.58 | Vlad| | points specifically at the map widget for drawing blobs |
| 01:53.59 | Vlad| | :D |
| 01:54.38 | Vlad| | it's 0254 |
| 01:55.06 | Vlad| | you should hang more often on irc Xuerian |
| 01:56.13 | Xuerian | Vlad|: I tend to whenever I'm working on addons, though I'm using pidgin now and it's a bit more well behaved (if glaringly white) than Miranda, so I might idle around more often anyway |
| 01:56.24 | Vlad| | I use pidgin too :D |
| 01:56.42 | Vlad| | so my irc is running in the background all the time |
| 01:56.56 | kd3 | hah... "Dear rest of the eastern seaboard, Thanks for taking one for the team. Regards, Florida." |
| 01:57.05 | Vlad| | nvm kd3 he is always like that |
| 01:57.19 | kd3 | this is true |
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| 01:57.43 | kd3 | largely I'm just waiting for the caffeine to wear off since I have to get up and open work tomorrow morning. hopefully I won't have to break out the chainsaw |
| 01:57.47 | Xuerian | Vlad|: Aaand it broke. |
| 01:57.57 | Vlad| | lol |
| 01:58.02 | Vlad| | did your pidgin crash? |
| 01:58.12 | Vlad| | if so it's probably a plugin issue on windows |
| 01:58.12 | Xuerian | I'd say more had a stroke, then crashed |
| 01:58.18 | Xuerian | Probably |
| 01:58.18 | Vlad| | I recommend you disable spellcheck |
| 01:58.23 | Vlad| | I suspect that plugin is buggy |
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| 01:58.45 | Xuerian | <hal> I can't let you do that, Xuerian. Your spelling is too bad. |
| 01:58.47 | Vlad| | pidgin is primarily for linux so I disabled a lot of plugins that it came with that I don't really need, to make it more stable. |
| 02:00.37 | Xuerian | Yeah, I prefer Mirana-IM, but my profile was so old and mangled with all the plugins I had, it just wasn't worth crashing every 20 IMs |
| 02:01.22 | Xuerian | kd3: "Dear Florida, we figured firestorms were bad enough, NP" |
| 02:01.27 | Vlad| | I like pidgin for the plugin support and so many services :p |
| 02:01.34 | Vlad| | I can use my google, msn and irc in one place |
| 02:01.45 | Vlad| | and it's very slick |
| 02:01.48 | Vlad| | minimalistic like :p |
| 02:01.58 | Vlad| | I don't care for too fancy |
| 02:02.05 | Xuerian | Vlad|: Miranda really does a better job on windows, in all respects, minimalism included. You just have to do a /lot/ of configuring |
| 02:02.17 | Vlad| | can you merge accounts? :P |
| 02:02.27 | Vlad| | like I got friends on 2 different services, I can merge them both into one icon :3 |
| 02:02.34 | Xuerian | Metacontacts plugin, yes. |
| 02:02.52 | Vlad| | ok, it's native in pidgin so had to ask :3 |
| 02:03.07 | Vlad| | I found about pidgin from my ubuntu hehe |
| 02:03.19 | Xuerian | Nearly everything in miranda is a plugin. Contact list, message window, message log, etc etc. |
| 02:03.21 | Vlad| | got tired of running msn when they updated it to be more facebook social like |
| 02:03.27 | Vlad| | hehe |
| 02:05.08 | Xuerian | MSN was never that great, but I started on Trillian before it got a lot of ads around 11 years ago :p |
| 02:07.23 | Vlad| | in norway everyone used msn before :p most did |
| 02:07.34 | Vlad| | so me and my friends used it too, wasn't that bad with the mess.be patch and such hehe |
| 02:07.54 | Xuerian | I think it's interesting how IM networks were, and still are. What is it, QQ in Korea? |
| 02:07.58 | Vlad| | but came a point it didn't cut it, only shame is that pidgin has no video and audio support. |
| 02:08.03 | Xuerian | s/are/are regional/ |
| 02:08.22 | Vlad| | I envy korea |
| 02:08.29 | Xuerian | Vlad|: Skype is better for both anyway. |
| 02:08.38 | Vlad| | your friends wouldn't say happy birthday on your facebook but would catually come over to congratulate lol |
| 02:08.40 | Vlad| | :D |
| 02:08.49 | Vlad| | I don't facebook or twitter :p |
| 02:08.58 | xyphoid | russia annexing livejournal still makes me a bit sad |
| 02:09.06 | Xuerian | Hah, what? |
| 02:09.07 | Vlad| | I don't wanna distance myself even more from real relationships lol |
| 02:10.25 | kd3 | hm. the iss should be making a pass over the northeast now. hopefully we'll get some neat imagery from them too |
| 02:10.55 | Xuerian | kd3: What's its complete orbit interval? |
| 02:11.11 | kd3 | ~90min |
| 02:14.14 | kd3 | actually, my internal clock's off, they'll have a good overpass in an orbit and a half |
| 02:14.21 | kd3 | http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/tracking/index.html |
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| 02:27.18 | durcyn | Java (TM) is required to display some elements on this page. FUCK THAT |
| 02:27.30 | bluspacecow | y |
| 02:28.46 | Semlar | virus |
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| 02:29.16 | bluspacecow | what's needing java ? |
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| 03:10.34 | amro | is it wrong that my main concern over hurricane sandy is the possiblity of a blackout? |
| 03:13.51 | Semlar | all those missed dailies |
| 03:14.13 | amro | I haven't touched wow since 3.2 |
| 03:14.26 | amro | er |
| 03:14.28 | bluspacecow | oh hai amro |
| 03:14.30 | amro | maybe 4.2 |
| 03:14.36 | amro | I don't even remember that's how long |
| 03:14.45 | amro | sup bluspacecow |
| 03:14.54 | bluspacecow | good |
| 03:15.04 | bluspacecow | just updating my sound file listing for first time in 2 years |
| 03:15.25 | bluspacecow | and somehow between 4.3 and 5.0.5 blizzard have shoved in 9696 sounds in the MPQ files |
| 03:16.12 | Thunder_Child | amro: my answer is no, but then i know i am a callous sone of a bitch |
| 03:16.20 | Thunder_Child | s/ne/n/ |
| 03:16.21 | bluspacecow | actually no |
| 03:16.25 | bluspacecow | that's just the .ogg files |
| 03:16.34 | bluspacecow | the count's closer to 13,359 atm |
| 03:24.16 | bluspacecow | ok taking directorys out its now closer to 11802 |
| 03:30.01 | pompy | ponders why bluspacecow is amazed about this. ;) |
| 03:30.13 | bluspacecow | ponder. |
| 03:30.59 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imAQC1wG-D4 |
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| 03:33.08 | pompy | http://imgur.com/Z7GkJ |
| 03:41.48 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF2o5RDkq9A&feature=musicchart this is makeing my ears vomit |
| 03:41.53 | Thunder_Child | making* |
| 03:43.05 | Neffi | Thunder_Child: Are the comments trolls? |
| 03:43.14 | Thunder_Child | Neffi: I can only asume so |
| 03:43.20 | Thunder_Child | that or they all have tin ears |
| 03:43.22 | Neffi | I can only _hope_ so |
| 03:43.33 | Neffi | "Nowdays you really gotta support good music. Andļ»æ I mean really good music." |
| 03:43.40 | Neffi | Trolls seem to good for youtubre |
| 03:43.59 | Thunder_Child | yes, that is clever |
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| 04:37.27 | batbot | Shirik fears to duel a bot, what a coward. |
| 04:37.51 | Shirik | nou |
| 04:44.01 | Wobin | Good luck to everyone in the path of Sandy |
| 04:44.10 | Neffi | thank you =| |
| 04:44.42 | Wobin | is watching the NYT webcam |
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| 04:46.29 | Neffi | Wobin: Link? |
| 04:46.40 | Wobin | http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/28/nyregion/nyt-webcam.html |
| 04:46.51 | Neffi | I Googled it and got a webcam of what looks like a duck caring for its young |
| 04:47.25 | Neffi | very cute http://www.livestream.com/nytnestcam |
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| 04:58.40 | bluspacecow | omg |
| 04:58.51 | bluspacecow | i has 4 new plots on my wowfarmville farm |
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| 05:19.03 | Shirik | bluspacecow |
| 05:19.13 | Shirik | shouldn't you be anti-sandying or something? |
| 05:19.20 | Semlar | neffi, i don't think that's a duck |
| 05:19.28 | bluspacecow | y? |
| 05:19.34 | Shirik | aren't you in sandy territory? |
| 05:19.39 | bluspacecow | NZ |
| 05:19.42 | Shirik | wat |
| 05:19.44 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 05:19.45 | bluspacecow | over 12000 miles from that location |
| 05:19.48 | bluspacecow | ya seriously |
| 05:19.57 | Shirik | when did you move there? |
| 05:20.03 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 05:20.04 | Semlar | new zealand, new jersey, what's the difference |
| 05:20.07 | bluspacecow | born and raised here |
| 05:20.11 | Shirik | yeah they both start with new |
| 05:20.13 | Neffi | Yeah I didnt read the page Semlar |
| 05:20.21 | Semlar | >_> |
| 05:20.25 | Shirik | on a totally unrelated note, http://wowcardswithgooglyeyes.tumblr.com/ |
| 05:21.52 | Cairenn | hehehehe |
| 05:26.46 | pompy | im from jersey |
| 05:27.36 | Neffi | pompy: I'm so sorry |
| 05:30.14 | pompy | Sandy is projected to make a left turn and direct hit to central jersey.. this is gunna be fun. :x |
| 05:33.09 | Semlar | not if you're in jersey |
| 05:33.30 | Semlar | you better hunker down |
| 05:39.32 | Neffi | pompy: I'm on Staten Island. I feel some of your pain. |
| 05:39.45 | Neffi | Depending on the trajectory, I might feel much of your pain |
| 05:40.16 | Neffi | Glad I have a laptop now, because I had a code revelation tonight and I need to write a lot to build this addon before I lose all my grand ideas |
| 05:40.18 | Semlar | you are going to get a lot of rain no matter where you are |
| 05:40.22 | Neffi | <3 batteries |
| 05:40.44 | Neffi | Thankfully I'm not at sea level so flooding is unlikely |
| 05:41.07 | Semlar | hopefully there aren't too many big trees around |
| 05:41.16 | Neffi | My house is just off of a nice hill that will tunnel the water, coincidentally, to poorer neighborhoods =| |
| 05:41.30 | Neffi | A couple. We took precautions. |
| 05:41.31 | Semlar | the way it should be |
| 05:42.10 | Semlar | reroute all the water into the poor areas |
| 05:42.17 | Neffi | Good luck to anyone else around here. |
| 05:44.13 | Cairenn | I'm not supposed to really get hit until tomorrow night and through Tuesday |
| 05:44.33 | Neffi | Cairenn: Where are you located? |
| 05:44.43 | Cairenn | Ottawa Ontario |
| 05:44.49 | Neffi | It's going that far north? |
| 05:44.52 | Cairenn | Bit north of you guys |
| 05:44.54 | Cairenn | oh yes |
| 05:44.57 | Neffi | Jeez |
| 05:45.01 | Semlar | it won't be nearly as powerful by then |
| 05:45.23 | Neffi | My mom told me heavy rainstorms were projected for her, and she's pretty inland in Michigan. I'm still really stunned. |
| 05:45.24 | Cairenn | It's still projected to be pretty bad |
| 05:45.28 | Semlar | anyone by the coast has the most to worry about |
| 05:47.51 | Neffi | well that ain't right |
| 05:47.54 | Semlar | the winds will be substantially diminished by the time it gets up to canada, but it'll still probably not be very pleasant |
| 05:48.05 | Cairenn | Yeah - rarely do I say this, but at the moment I'm glad I'm not 'home' in NS |
| 05:48.08 | Neffi | Auctionator says GetAll failed to return all of the >1 billion items in my AH |
| 05:50.02 | Semlar | http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/79000/79553/sandy_goe_2012302_1745_lrg.jpg |
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| 05:51.29 | pompy | Neffi: http://www.weather.com/maps/news/atlstorm18/projectedpath_large.html |
| 05:51.50 | Neffi | And it curves right around NYC |
| 05:51.52 | Neffi | fuck you |
| 05:52.01 | Neffi | that's just absolutely mena |
| 05:52.36 | Neffi | Then again that probably means the edge of it will be over us for a long time |
| 05:52.55 | Semlar | heh, edge |
| 05:53.03 | Xuerian | Neffi: Outlines are your friend, drycoding is your enemy :p |
| 05:53.09 | Neffi | Climate science is not my physical science of choice |
| 05:53.30 | Semlar | that does not accurately reflect just how big the storm is |
| 05:53.32 | Neffi | Xuerian: Which is why I need an ample battery, because I hate drycoding |
| 05:53.43 | Neffi | Spent the last few hours outlining and envisioning the design |
| 05:55.47 | Semlar | that projection has the storm just chillin out over new england for the whole week |
| 05:56.46 | Semlar | :x |
| 05:57.14 | Neffi | really the worst fucking time for this |
| 05:57.28 | Neffi | had a really nice date set up for halloween |
| 05:57.40 | Xuerian | No problem |
| 05:57.57 | Xuerian | Make it a "Sexy Costume Party for Two" by the fire |
| 05:58.28 | Neffi | I'd invite her over if my father wasn't crazy |
| 05:58.35 | Xuerian | Bonus, if it goes bad, you can incinerate yourself. |
| 05:58.43 | Neffi | and she's invite me over if her father weren't crazy |
| 05:58.56 | Xuerian | Buy the dad's beer and send them to the opposite house. |
| 05:59.07 | Neffi | lol my dad drink? |
| 05:59.09 | Xuerian | The one that emerges alive is the sole father |
| 05:59.22 | Neffi | I'd have better luck buying him gallons and gallons of ice cream |
| 05:59.31 | Xuerian | {drink|icecream|hookersnblow} |
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| 06:03.15 | Wobin | You both have crazy fathers? |
| 06:03.25 | Wobin | Aren't you afraid it's a recessive crazy gene? |
| 06:03.40 | Semlar | accept the things you cannot change |
| 06:03.54 | Neffi | Opposite kinds of crazy |
| 06:04.04 | Neffi | if we had a kid, maybe it'd be an evil genius. |
| 06:04.37 | Wobin | oh crazy awesome |
| 06:04.41 | Neffi | Plus this was going to be the first date. Not like we've even contemplated procreation yet. |
| 06:04.47 | Wobin | lies |
| 06:04.53 | Neffi | yes I just referred to fucking as "procreation" |
| 06:05.02 | Wobin | you've totally contemplated it |
| 06:05.06 | Neffi | My children will be all sorts of strange and fucked up |
| 06:05.08 | Wobin | or at least practising |
| 06:05.13 | Neffi | lol |
| 06:05.30 | Xuerian | You skipped "procreation" and went straight to "world domination" |
| 06:06.22 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXMU2qwCVag is the weatherchannel's live feed |
| 06:07.23 | Semlar | i don't see any hurricane |
| 06:07.36 | Neffi | Xuerian: Keep quiet about my plans or you're the first to go =) |
| 06:09.05 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 06:09.18 | Mr_Rabies | why do some companies make it so hard to watch their stuff :( |
| 06:10.30 | Xuerian | BECAUSE PIRACY |
| 06:10.32 | Xuerian | AYRRHRHRHR |
| 06:11.04 | Mr_Rabies | there's no legal way to watch time warner's shows short of buying them or catching them on tv |
| 06:11.24 | Mr_Rabies | so i resort to piracy :( |
| 06:11.32 | Xuerian | BECAUSE OF PIRACY HHYHRHRHYHRH |
| 06:11.34 | Xuerian | anyway |
| 06:11.57 | Semlar | because they can't evolve |
| 06:12.15 | Mr_Rabies | i've pirated two of their shows that i would watch legally if they would only let me, without buying them sight unseen |
| 06:12.46 | Neffi | I agree with that sentiment |
| 06:12.51 | Mr_Rabies | in the past month or so |
| 06:13.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'm a directv subscriber and i can't even watch them if i wanted to, since they no longer air |
| 06:15.38 | Neffi | It makes one wonder how they consider it good business strategy to be hostile and demeaning to the innocent customers and expect them not to jump ship to the trouble-free world of piracy |
| 06:16.18 | Neffi | Well then again they can just lobby for stronger copyright enforcement to protect their bad tactics |
| 06:17.27 | Mr_Rabies | it'll only work for people less resourceful than i |
| 06:17.59 | Xuerian | For now, as the real target of any such enforcement is (or should be, anyway) the source |
| 06:19.01 | Mr_Rabies | they'd have to stop any form of digital distribution whatsoever |
| 06:19.15 | Neffi | It will never happen |
| 06:19.17 | Neffi | And I don't think it needs to |
| 06:19.22 | Neffi | They get too overzealous |
| 06:19.52 | Xuerian | I doubt they will too, but keep in mind, just because there are many possibilities, doesn't mean there are many in reality. |
| 06:19.55 | Mr_Rabies | since most shows seem to just strip the drm off the digital version anyway, it seems |
| 06:20.18 | Neffi | Reconsider your infrastructure. A good, high-quality streaming service that generates profit off of advertisement breaks (like Hulu) is far preferable to having to go to NZBMatrix, find the show, wait for it to download, and potentially get a missing pieces error |
| 06:20.22 | Xuerian | (And I'm referring to a gradient, not black and white, meaning it could require more and more resources to find it) |
| 06:20.50 | Neffi | If your customers are pushing so forcefully towards that model of consumption, go with it, not against it. |
| 06:21.02 | Neffi | Give your customers what they want, don't force them into what you want |
| 06:21.10 | Xuerian | The optimal action isn't in question, though |
| 06:21.18 | Xuerian | The one they will [continue] taking is |
| 06:21.33 | Xuerian | Two very different things, usually |
| 06:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | i just canceled my hulu plus subscription because it didn't really have anything i wanted to watch |
| 06:23.08 | Mr_Rabies | no batman: brave and the bold, no batman anything or time warner anything, only the last 5 episodes of legend of korra, etc |
| 06:23.16 | Xuerian | Didn't Hulu launch with a much better selection, before they started forcefully "rotating" content? |
| 06:23.31 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know |
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| 06:23.51 | Mr_Rabies | i just let them know why i canceled, so hopefully they'll get their act together if enough people are like me |
| 06:24.24 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be happy with a netflix model, neffi |
| 06:24.34 | Neffi | Well I'd venture to say the current attempts at streaming services are only poisoning public outlook on them |
| 06:24.40 | Semlar | netflix and hulu have very little control over what they get access to host |
| 06:24.41 | Mr_Rabies | (except i canceled my netflix as well, since amazon instant video is a way better deal for me) |
| 06:24.54 | Semlar | their selection isn't really their fault |
| 06:25.02 | Neffi | The public has already gotten used to the streaming service as an inherently limited service that will never offer them an appreciable selection |
| 06:25.14 | Neffi | When you want to feed into that model, you don't half-ass the first impression |
| 06:25.20 | Mr_Rabies | of course it's not, but i'm not going to subscribe to a terrible selection if i can get 90% of that selection for basically free |
| 06:25.24 | Neffi | There's so much potential there that is not being harnessed |
| 06:25.25 | Mr_Rabies | (with amazon prime) |
| 06:25.44 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be happy paying $10 a month for a streaming service that had things i actually wanted to watch on them |
| 06:25.55 | Semlar | i think most people would be |
| 06:26.07 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not gonna pay $100 for a few seasons of a show on dvd, ever, anymore |
| 06:26.46 | Mr_Rabies | blu ray and its successors are the only way i will buy video content of any sort |
| 06:26.50 | Mr_Rabies | in the traditional sort |
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| 06:27.15 | Mr_Rabies | paying for a streaming subscription is basically the only way i'll go digital unless there's no DRM |
| 06:27.45 | Mr_Rabies | if neither of those options are available, i'm just gonna steal it and maybe buy it later if i like it enough |
| 06:28.12 | Mr_Rabies | i feel like i'm joe everyman on this issue |
| 06:29.59 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't want to steal it, but i'm not going to pay out the ass for a product on an outdated format from a company not willing to move forward |
| 06:30.33 | Wobin | hm |
| 06:30.41 | Wobin | I guess I'm going to PAX next year =P |
| 06:30.47 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm certainly not going to abstain from watching it, considering if i was lucky enough to catch it on tv when it was airing i could have seen it already |
| 06:31.06 | Mr_Rabies | why do you guess, wobin? anything in particular make you decide? :o |
| 06:36.32 | Xuerian | I would assume he's going for at least partly free |
| 06:44.25 | Neffi | "no addons are for people that dont know how 2 play the real game" |
| 06:44.39 | Neffi | he has no glyphs, no talents, but somehow has heirlooms |
| 06:46.50 | Xuerian | I'm assuming there's supposed to be a comma after "no" |
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| 06:53.43 | Semlar | partly free? |
| 06:53.47 | Neffi | I read it 4 times over and figured he meant "no addons [for me]; ..." |
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| 06:56.17 | Mr_Rabies | make a fake addon message telling the group he has no talents or glyphs :p |
| 06:56.42 | Xuerian | Semlar: Like, someone paid for either his ticket or expenses, but not both |
| 06:57.04 | Semlar | mhm |
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| 07:22.03 | Ackis | anyone have issues with character copy for the ptr? |
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| 07:37.06 | karl_w_w | Ackis: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6893609562 |
| 07:40.40 | Ackis | guess that's a yes ;) |
| 07:41.51 | nilyaK | great recipe authority: for cooking are the two rare spawns, 2 from tillers,and 2 from anglers it besides trainer recipes? |
| 07:42.01 | nilyaK | @Ackis^ |
| 07:42.53 | Ackis | nilyaK: I believe those are it for MoP yeah |
| 07:43.08 | Ackis | the rare spawns are a nightmare however, tillers/anglers are pretty easy compared |
| 07:43.18 | nilyaK | yea I got the rare spawns |
| 07:43.22 | nilyaK | days of camping each |
| 07:43.55 | Ackis | I would just take advantage of cross realm zones and get invited to about 8 different servers every few hours |
| 07:44.19 | nilyaK | I may or may not have done that |
| 07:44.44 | nilyaK | at least the rare monkey spawns quickly so I had a challenge for my 87 |
| 07:45.01 | nilyaK | sitting on top of a damn mountain with nothing to do and people flying in for their loremaster achieve so I needed to stay awake |
| 07:45.03 | nilyaK | that was brutal |
| 07:47.50 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 07:48.31 | Ackis | is it early morning in oceanic servers? |
| 07:49.10 | Neffi | lua> local function f() return function()end end; f 'test' {} |
| 07:49.11 | lua_bot | Neffi: No output |
| 07:49.38 | Semlar | oO |
| 07:49.46 | cbreak-work | it's early morning in europe |
| 07:49.59 | cbreak-work | *yawn* |
| 07:50.03 | Ackis | but I can't crz for EU peeps :( |
| 07:50.06 | Neffi | Seeing if I can deform Lua's syntax to make user data declaration interesting |
| 07:50.22 | Semlar | i'll deform your syntax |
| 07:50.43 | Neffi | eg: widget 'test' { type = 'Frame' } -- build a frame named 'test' |
| 07:51.46 | Xuerian | There's a few things in that, depending on how literal that was.. |
| 07:52.12 | Neffi | huh? |
| 07:52.23 | nevcairiel | that syntax specifically should even be possible |
| 07:52.25 | Xuerian | Well, widget'test' is valid lua |
| 07:52.39 | Xuerian | But you can't pass a second argument |
| 07:52.51 | Neffi | widget('test') returns a function that then takes a table |
| 07:53.13 | Neffi | luabot didn't error on my example, so it works |
| 07:53.14 | karl_w_w | Ackis: it's 7pm oceanic |
| 07:54.15 | Xuerian | Neffi: http://i.imgur.com/m1U4j.png |
| 07:54.26 | Neffi | >_> |
| 07:54.38 | Neffi | I'm buildig something that's like kgPanels on crack |
| 07:54.50 | Neffi | or steroids |
| 07:55.03 | Xuerian | You have to ask yourself, is mutilating the syntax going to make it easier to use and understand |
| 07:55.21 | Neffi | The idea is that the Lua-driven syntax should be nice and clean |
| 07:55.26 | nevcairiel | most of the time it just looks better once its written, but doesnt make it easier to write |
| 07:55.27 | Neffi | but the current incarnation doesn't do it |
| 07:55.39 | Neffi | that's what i'm thinking |
| 07:56.06 | Neffi | but these are superficial problems, so i'll come back to them |
| 07:56.10 | karl_w_w | most of the time it might look better but that doesn't mean it's not harder to read |
| 07:56.28 | Xuerian | I think you're looking for haskell's "." syntax, but lua just isn't made for that crap >_> |
| 07:56.39 | Neffi | not really |
| 07:57.54 | karl_w_w | http://foodporndaily.com/pictures/perfectly-cooked-succulent-beef-wellington-w-buttery-sauteed-spinach-port-wine-reduction/ <- redefining the word perfect |
| 07:58.24 | Semlar | depends on how you like it |
| 07:58.52 | nilyaK | I like it to be corel |
| 07:58.56 | Semlar | i have no problem if my food is still bleeding |
| 07:59.19 | Semlar | but then you risk dying of mad cow disease |
| 07:59.38 | nilyaK | red meat: I have a problem if it's not. |
| 08:00.04 | Neffi | i recall somebody going into details about how non-ground beef, bacteria doesn't penetrate the surface |
| 08:00.08 | Neffi | [in] |
| 08:00.29 | Semlar | that doesn't really matter if it's inside of it already |
| 08:00.49 | Neffi | Ah right, |
| 08:00.58 | Semlar | ground beef has more exposed surface area so more places for bacteria to get at |
| 08:01.33 | karl_w_w | you shouldn't put your beef on the ground anyway |
| 08:01.54 | Semlar | is that why we have space cows |
| 08:03.06 | Semlar | i think the risk is pretty minimal as long as the outside gets hot enough |
| 08:03.40 | karl_w_w | it's not the risk that's concerning, it's the taste |
| 08:03.48 | Neffi | How unapproachable does this look? |
| 08:03.49 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/ri5B1UzW |
| 08:04.05 | Neffi | Consider I'm appealing to users moderately skilled in Lua |
| 08:04.17 | Neffi | (creates my minimap) |
| 08:05.44 | karl_w_w | it looks quite nice, but you do have 1 bug to fix :P |
| 08:06.29 | Neffi | i probably have a few |
| 08:06.30 | Neffi | but what? |
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| 08:07.08 | Xuerian | A few things. func { ... } is a little more innocuous than your first suggestion seemed. Interface not Interace, [[x\y\z]] or 'x/y/z' instead of 'x\\y\\z', and border = not ['border'] =, since you're already doing child = |
| 08:07.35 | karl_w_w | http://pastebin.com/zdwRM052 |
| 08:08.29 | Semlar | i don't really understand the point |
| 08:08.40 | Semlar | why make a wrapper for the api |
| 08:08.47 | karl_w_w | and similar later on in the code |
| 08:08.59 | Neffi | Semlar: Quick, easy development |
| 08:09.04 | Semlar | nononono |
| 08:09.20 | Neffi | what? |
| 08:09.25 | Semlar | it might speed things up for you |
| 08:09.47 | Semlar | anyone else reading it is going to have to figure out how it all works |
| 08:10.10 | Semlar | but i guess that doesn't matter |
| 08:10.13 | Neffi | The idea is that the syntax should be intuitive that with sparse explanation somebody can approach it |
| 08:10.32 | Neffi | I'm releasing it primarily as my own UI, which then people experienced enough can fiddle with and build into their own |
| 08:10.43 | Neffi | So plenty of config will exist as a basis for them to work with |
| 08:10.51 | Xuerian | The problem with that is the only thing you're abstracting with this, really, is Lua syntax. They still have to understand how the API/WidgetAPI work |
| 08:11.17 | Xuerian | Well, I should say "The main thing you're abstracting at this point is" |
| 08:11.23 | Neffi | And for people that don't, there's plenty of other addons with nice in-game GUIs |
| 08:11.26 | Xuerian | Of the two, Lua is much simpler. |
| 08:11.52 | Neffi | For people that do and want their unit frame's health bar to do exactly <this> without writing a full UF addon, my addon will appeal to |
| 08:12.26 | Xuerian | I think we understand what your goals are pretty well, it's the means that are in question |
| 08:12.28 | Semlar | but anyone ambitious enough to mess with the code could just use something like pitbull couldn't they |
| 08:12.40 | Xuerian | Well, he's aiming at a general tweaking toolkit |
| 08:12.51 | Xuerian | oUF is more of a direct step up for unitframes, specifically |
| 08:12.59 | Neffi | I began writing my UI because of limitations in even the more configurable addons, Semlar |
| 08:13.34 | Neffi | I like working with the Lua itself, but it's more approachable to write and rewrite my UI in this form than to constantly be messing with pages and pages of widget API calls |
| 08:14.10 | karl_w_w | your code editor uses pagination? :P |
| 08:14.18 | Neffi | no >_> |
| 08:14.23 | Neffi | why are coders so damn technical |
| 08:14.24 | Xuerian | (if you're constantly messing with pages of API calls, you're not hitting the abstraction middle ground..) |
| 08:14.44 | Neffi | I had middle grounds before |
| 08:15.31 | Semlar | i think this would have to simplified a lot to really appeal to someone over just doing it in lua |
| 08:15.51 | Semlar | there should be a be in there somewhere |
| 08:16.09 | Neffi | Well admittedly the minimap example is pointless, because doing the same thing in Lua requires fewer lines |
| 08:17.12 | Xuerian | Find something it's better at, and just write it. If it works, it works. If not, figure out what didn't, and fix it. Repeat. |
| 08:17.27 | Neffi | The idea is that the UI is driven by a series of plugins, modules, or whatever, that define pseudo-types of the widget system, like "unit frame". Build a UF using this table, declare `type='UnitFrame'` and the logistics of actually managing it as a UF (secure shit) is handled for you |
| 08:18.20 | Neffi | Then the module provides "updates" that map real events into custom events that pass more useful info. Eg my healthbar listens to 'health' and gets 'current, max' as its arguments for its own unit. |
| 08:18.36 | Semlar | i don't think you should rename the event functions |
| 08:18.52 | Neffi | That's not really what's happening |
| 08:19.12 | Semlar | like you have under scripts 'click' 'zoom' 'init' instead of OnClick, OnZoom or OnLoad |
| 08:19.13 | Neffi | It's more like approaching the concept of tags in something like DogTags, but in a sense of raw Lua |
| 08:19.38 | Neffi | script name is there so it can be registered/unregistered and manually called from within the scripts themselves |
| 08:19.57 | Neffi | the "timer=" and "hooks={" actually define when it's called |
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| 08:31.38 | karl_w_w | <Neffi> why are coders so damn technical <- that's not technicality it's pedantry |
| 08:31.47 | karl_w_w | ^is that double pedantry? :D |
| 08:32.24 | Semlar | because they have to think literally |
| 08:32.34 | Semlar | it's a requirement for programming |
| 08:33.16 | Semlar | and that spills over into other topics |
| 08:34.00 | Xuerian | .. like programming |
| 08:34.36 | Neffi | It's not a fact that being sternly and thoroughly literal is a requirement |
| 08:35.22 | Xuerian | You know, you've obviously got a grand idea. You put part of it forward for input, we've given input. I think it's up to you go continue/act on this input, not be grumpy about us not hailing lord Neffi yet :p |
| 08:36.07 | Neffi | You mistook that comment as grumpy when it was meant to be playfully obtuse |
| 08:36.20 | Semlar | are you a triangle |
| 08:36.31 | Neffi | Depending on how you look at it maybe I am |
| 08:36.37 | Xuerian | I wasn't taking any single comment as grumpy, it was a appraisal of your responses in general :p |
| 08:37.02 | Neffi | I sound grumpy? |
| 08:37.03 | Neffi | Damn |
| 08:37.08 | Xuerian | Not even tone |
| 08:37.30 | Neffi | --ok |
| 08:37.45 | Semlar | well now you sound grumpy |
| 08:37.51 | Xuerian | Shh |
| 08:37.52 | mckenziemc | error: invalid symbol near '-' |
| 08:37.52 | Xuerian | Master plan |
| 08:37.56 | Semlar | >_> |
| 08:38.23 | Neffi | Don't take it personally. |
| 08:38.28 | Semlar | your master plan is to antagonize him until you're right |
| 08:38.35 | Neffi | My friends tell me I'm fucking strange sometimes. |
| 08:38.58 | durcyn | you should stop sleeping with your friends if they're going to insult you |
| 08:39.13 | Neffi | But my friends are right. I'm fucking strange. |
| 08:39.34 | durcyn | whoosh |
| 08:39.48 | Xuerian | You and strange must have a open relationship |
| 08:39.54 | Xuerian | What with having a halloween date and all |
| 08:40.15 | Neffi | We were going to the parade in the city >_> |
| 08:41.06 | Semlar | hurricane party! |
| 08:41.49 | bluspacecow | mile high club ! you might get lucky! |
| 08:42.15 | Semlar | how high are you right now |
| 08:42.25 | bluspacecow | about that |
| 08:42.56 | Semlar | oh i thought you were in low earth orbit |
| 08:44.07 | Semlar | how's the weather up there |
| 08:47.30 | bluspacecow | good' |
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| 10:21.25 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHeWgLvlXI why don't people tell me about these things when they happen? :( |
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| 10:29.18 | karl_w_w | wtf the camera goes so fast it sometimes sees things in reverse |
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| 11:40.13 | zenzio | man... finding out where the cursor is can be tricky enough with two monitors, but with three... (would help if I had an attention span of more than five seconds) |
| 12:05.06 | starlon | why does wowhead hang on loading zaming.com? >.> |
| 12:05.53 | starlon | zenzio, there's an addon called _Cursor that may help. |
| 12:06.11 | starlon | It adds a trail behind the mouse cursor. |
| 12:06.16 | zenzio | I mean in general, not in-game |
| 12:06.20 | starlon | ah |
| 12:06.34 | zenzio | cursor trail... that brings back memories |
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| 12:13.06 | Adys | i only have issues finding the cursor when i get out of bed on a call or some shit like that |
| 12:15.35 | zenzio | my problem (I like to think) is that I forget where I was last using the mouse, and with mostly white on my screens it just blends |
| 12:15.53 | Adys | thats a contrast issue |
| 12:15.57 | Adys | you need a better cursor |
| 12:16.07 | zenzio | sounds pretty likely |
| 12:18.09 | zenzio | going to try a darker one. Would be a bit unhappy if it turns out you were right, since it would mean I should've thought of it long ago :-) |
| 12:21.02 | Adys | zenzio: I recommend a black cursor with a dark shadow and white borders |
| 12:21.13 | Adys | the OSX cursor gets it quite right iirc |
| 12:21.49 | zenzio | trying the Windows black one, it's as you describe. Not quite sure if the shadow qualifies as dark, but the rest matches |
| 12:23.09 | bluworkcow | well then maybe a utility that when you hold down a certain key combo draws expanding concentric rings around your cursor pos |
| 12:23.34 | zenzio | bluworkcow: going to stick to this new cursor color for a while |
| 12:23.53 | bluworkcow | kk |
| 12:23.55 | zenzio | it's never been a huge issue, just took me longer to examine up to three monitors for the moving cursor |
| 12:27.11 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 12:27.13 | Fisker | i owned a GM |
| 12:27.14 | Fisker | mad? |
| 12:28.16 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5723445314 <-hemad bluworkcow |
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| 12:39.31 | bluworkcow | why does eu.battle.net take so much longer to load the us.battle.net for me |
| 12:39.35 | bluworkcow | also @fisker Lol |
| 12:45.33 | karl_w_w | zenzio: tried turning on the feature where the cursor does the rings around it when u press ctrl? |
| 12:47.27 | zenzio | karl_w_w: as I said to bluworkcow, I'm content with just the color change for now. This is a "problem" that occurs perhaps two-three times a day; turning on an eyesore like the rings would just get on my nerves |
| 12:47.46 | zenzio | but thanks for the tip anyway |
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| 12:48.20 | zenzio | happy Monday, Lopeppeppy |
| 12:48.44 | Lopeppeppy | happy Monday, zenzio. Look, I'm getting a hurricaine for trick or treat! |
| 12:49.17 | zenzio | I'm sure some of your politicians can attribute it to Obama's policies |
| 12:49.33 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, he got blamed for Irene last year. It was freakin' hilarious. |
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| 13:18.59 | Fisker | bam right bluworkcow ? |
| 13:21.01 | Teapot | So I've got a problem with some code I was given yesterday - I've Pastebinned the error and code here: http://pastebin.com/21Z89tLU |
| 13:21.11 | Teapot | Any ideas on how I can go about debugging this code? |
| 13:21.41 | Teapot | (the code was given to me by Semlar) |
| 13:22.33 | zenzio | which line in that output is actually line 8? |
| 13:22.41 | Teapot | ah, my apologies |
| 13:22.52 | Teapot | it's @if f:GetName():sub(0,9) == "ChatFrame" then |
| 13:22.55 | Teapot | tinsert(t,f) |
| 13:22.56 | Teapot | end @ |
| 13:23.04 | Teapot | uh, substitute those @s for quotes :p |
| 13:23.32 | Teapot | should have put the code first, really. |
| 13:24.00 | mckenziemc | looks like GetName is returning nil |
| 13:24.18 | mckenziemc | you could store the name, check that it exists, and skip otherwise, but idk if that's appropriate |
| 13:24.29 | zenzio | I'd try that for a start |
| 13:25.02 | Teapot | hmm. okay, I'll give it a go. |
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| 13:41.43 | Vlad| | !lua local function T()return {["TEST"] = 1}end print( (T())["TEST"] ) |
| 13:41.43 | batbot | Vlad|: 1 |
| 13:41.46 | Vlad| | neato |
| 13:42.50 | mckenziemc | yawn |
| 13:44.49 | karl_w_w | injects mckenziemc with adrenaline |
| 13:45.00 | mckenziemc | falls asleep |
| 13:46.13 | karl_w_w | celebrates |
| 13:47.29 | mckenziemc | sleep-murders karl_w_w |
| 13:48.28 | bluworkcow | *staps mckenziemc with a spelling error* |
| 13:48.53 | Lopeppeppy | Now how do you sleep-murder? I have heard of sleep-walking, sleep-talking, sleep-cooking, and sleep-sex... |
| 13:49.26 | bluworkcow | suprise sleep butt sex ? |
| 13:49.28 | bluworkcow | interesting |
| 13:50.22 | bluworkcow | @Lopeppeppy: You disguise yourself as your targets favourite armchair. You position a dagger in such way so that when they sit down they kill themselves |
| 13:50.39 | bluworkcow | Then you go to sleep |
| 13:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | ... being an armchair didn't work for a magician, it won't work for me. |
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| 13:53.56 | bluworkcow | who said anything about a magician ? |
| 13:54.08 | bluworkcow | i'm thinking sherlock holmes here |
| 13:54.16 | bluworkcow | expect coated with a contact poison |
| 13:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sherlock is a crazy bastard. |
| 13:55.20 | Adys | As a magician, I can confirm disguising yourself as an armchair is painful |
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| 13:58.23 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 13:58.25 | Fisker | are you a wizard? |
| 13:58.51 | bluworkcow | nope.jpg |
| 14:00.19 | Fisker | good |
| 14:00.26 | Fisker | on a scale from 1 to 10 how lol was it? |
| 14:01.33 | bluworkcow | mu |
| 14:02.04 | bluworkcow | infinity sigma pi over zero |
| 14:02.52 | Fisker | :O |
| 14:15.55 | karl_w_w | ooks Fisker in the dooker |
| 14:33.13 | Fisker | http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/28/3568746/amazon-7-inch-fire-hd-ipad-mini-ad-ballsy bam Alram |
| 14:33.33 | Fisker | i like how the ipad mini doesn't even have wifi |
| 14:33.54 | Fisker | it's like they got there and went "Why do we even bother making these lists? We could go on forever" |
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| 14:37.07 | the-golem_ | Fisker: lmao. |
| 14:44.43 | pompy | http://new.livestream.com/breakinglivenowdirect/sandycam |
| 14:45.12 | mikma | sound like porn |
| 14:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | She's just pushing the leaves around here, for the time being. It should start raining after lunch. |
| 14:47.00 | Alram | okay Fisker |
| 14:47.16 | mikma | tell us when the cows start to fly |
| 14:47.23 | mikma | that's when i'll switch back ;) |
| 14:52.47 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/554085_10152230431965383_1053953476_n.jpg |
| 14:52.50 | pompy | lbi |
| 14:52.57 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/229863_10152230558695383_1648684480_n.jpg |
| 14:53.09 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/s480x480/154246_10152230486870383_1003580591_n.jpg |
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| 15:16.23 | zenzio | it boggles me how you can search for something, typically hardware/manual labor related, and get at least a dozen "do it yourself" sites that fortunately has just what you need! ... except their site only shows 1000 ads and has no answer to the problem |
| 15:16.55 | TC-Work | l2scroll? |
| 15:17.12 | zenzio | it's nowhere on the pages, neither at the top, middle or bottom |
| 15:17.24 | bluworkcow | even worse |
| 15:17.29 | Lopeppeppy | No, they're not actually "self help" sites, they are ad-farms that have really good SEO. |
| 15:17.41 | bluworkcow | someone else asked several years ago and never got an answer |
| 15:17.44 | Unkle | There's a tech site out there that will show me the first four lines of a post that has answers I might need... and then wants a hefty subscription fee up-front to read the rest. Understandable that people want to get paid, but frustrating to discover in search engine results. |
| 15:17.58 | bluworkcow | or worse .. they aks you to sign up to some member ship or some marlarky |
| 15:18.04 | TC-Work | Unkle: scroll to the bottom, that was my refernce |
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| 15:18.53 | zenzio | bluworkcow: it's amazing how accurate that xkcd strip was |
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| 15:20.40 | zenzio | got this old printer at work, advanced thing (at the time) that can print, copy, scan to e-mail, etc. Apparently it can't mail today, claims the gateway is down (which it might well be... all we know is it points to some IP we don't recognize). Trying to replace it with a functioning one, but with no luck |
| 15:20.54 | zenzio | I suspect it doesn't do SSL, which rules out a few of the easier mail servers |
| 15:22.27 | zenzio | bluworkcow: just in case you didn't remember the one, http://xkcd.com/979/ |
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| 15:43.20 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: OMG http://www.littlebitfunky.com/2012/03/cinnamon-rolls-in-waffle-iron-who-knew.html |
| 15:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | Must go get educated. TTFN. |
| 15:56.07 | karl_w_w | do all americans have a waffle iron? |
| 15:56.28 | Unkle | Yes, they're issued to you at birth with your SSID number. |
| 15:56.47 | karl_w_w | I thought so |
| 15:57.19 | karl_w_w | I don't know anybody who's ever had a waffle iron, and I have lived in 2 countries for significant amounts of time |
| 15:57.26 | karl_w_w | I've never even seen one |
| 15:58.08 | nevcairiel | my parents have one, i have thought about getting one because waffels are just so yummy |
| 15:58.39 | Unkle | There's a popular restaurant chain in the southern/southwestern part of the country called "Waffle House" and they have many of them right out where you can watch them in use. |
| 15:58.48 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 15:58.51 | Fisker | lg nexus 4 popped up here |
| 15:58.52 | Fisker | mad? |
| 15:59.36 | karl_w_w | i like you Fisker |
| 15:59.43 | karl_w_w | can I keep you as a pet? |
| 16:00.09 | Fisker | nope |
| 16:00.56 | karl_w_w | :( |
| 16:01.07 | karl_w_w | but I'll walk you and feed you and everything |
| 16:02.28 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nope |
| 16:02.31 | Stanzilla | not sure if want |
| 16:02.36 | Stanzilla | 16gb without sd slot is kinda bad |
| 16:02.43 | Fisker | true |
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| 16:15.08 | Fisker | useless Stanzilla |
| 16:15.18 | Fisker | Offline availability in Europe, Central/South Americas, Asia, CIS and the Middle East will begin from the end of November. |
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| 16:15.26 | Stanzilla | of what |
| 16:17.08 | Fisker | nexus 4 obviously |
| 16:17.09 | Arrowmaster | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.square_enix.android_googleplay.chrono |
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| 16:20.16 | alestane | karl_w_w: will you love him and hug him and pet him and squeeze him and call him George? |
| 16:20.36 | karl_w_w | No. |
| 16:25.11 | bluworkcow | he would call him pete |
| 16:25.17 | bluworkcow | what kind of man do you think he is ? |
| 16:25.46 | Unkle | alestane kids these days. No appreciation for the classics. |
| 16:28.26 | Teapot | It's alright, I understand both the reference and what it is referencing. |
| 16:29.13 | bluworkcow | lol bugs bunny |
| 16:29.19 | bluworkcow | *happy childhood memories* |
| 16:29.34 | Teapot | Bugs Bunny, which was referencing Of Mice and Men itself. |
| 16:29.53 | Teapot | (Looney Tunes is stuffed full of references) |
| 16:31.08 | Unkle | Looney Tunes stuff led me to a whole lot of classic literature. |
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| 16:42.05 | TC-Work | I rather like amazon's shot across apple's bowq |
| 16:42.08 | TC-Work | bow* |
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| 16:49.58 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21768_10151920650511677_1800968321_n.jpg |
| 16:52.09 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541146_10152230754300383_415212629_n.jpg the guy in yellow is 6'2" |
| 16:53.22 | Unkle | More telling is that the SUV on the right is submerged up to its license plate. |
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| 16:58.56 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/196148_10151289556448352_1986559842_n.jpg |
| 16:59.02 | pompy | the worst has yet to come too :\ |
| 17:02.46 | bluworkcow | http://google.org/crisismap/2012-sandy |
| 17:02.50 | bluworkcow | looks bad. |
| 17:02.56 | A-KO | yes bluworkcow |
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| 17:06.06 | pompy | Unkle: even worse http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/534481_10152219979560599_2077363796_n.jpg |
| 17:08.26 | bluworkcow | home tiems nows |
| 17:08.56 | Teapot | How does one add fonts to the list used by addons like Bazooka, MikScrollingBattleText, etcetera? I'm assuming it's going to need a small addon coded, but I'm not sure as to the specifics. |
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| 17:14.12 | Fisker | oh my god jnwhiteh |
| 17:14.27 | Fisker | Ā£399 for 32GB Nexus 10 in the UK |
| 17:14.33 | Fisker | Ā£279 for 16GB Nexus 4 |
| 17:14.54 | Fisker | get this Stanzilla |
| 17:15.04 | Fisker | that price is almost like half that of any other highend phone lol |
| 17:15.05 | Unkle | Teapot Get SharedMedia and follow the instructions in the folder. |
| 17:15.20 | Teapot | Thank you, Unkle :) |
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| 17:19.14 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: k |
| 17:19.40 | Stanzilla | Fisker: my brother just bought a used iPhone 4 for 350ā¬ |
| 17:20.11 | Fisker | it's definitely k jnwhiteh |
| 17:20.34 | Fisker | tell him he got owned |
| 17:22.31 | jnwhiteh | tell who who got owned? |
| 17:23.30 | Fisker | i meant Stanzilla |
| 17:23.58 | Stanzilla | already did |
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| 17:43.03 | Arrowmaster | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/files/2012/10/original.gif |
| 17:44.52 | karl_w_w | did you know it's 2012 now, not 1996, and you can see actual real life video on the internets instead of gifs? :D |
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| 17:52.14 | mckenziemc | did you know that your handle is karl_w_w? |
| 17:54.18 | TC-Work | gif's take up less space? |
| 17:54.27 | TC-Work | and they are rendered natively? |
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| 18:12.15 | karl_w_w | on that basis a still image would be better |
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| 18:36.45 | Arrowmaster | https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_32gb_hspa |
| 18:36.56 | Arrowmaster | wonder what it would cost to add one to my mobile plan |
| 18:37.30 | TC-Work | ask your csp? |
| 18:39.03 | Arrowmaster | logging in to try to check now |
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| 18:41.17 | Arrowmaster | only seeing options to add another phone, not tablets |
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| 18:52.32 | pompy | aaand yeah http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s480x480/229945_465396496837275_1905769992_n.jpg |
| 18:54.24 | mckenziemc | reported for running a red light |
| 18:55.33 | Arrowmaster | weathers nice here |
| 18:55.47 | Ressy | Just started raining again here. |
| 18:56.04 | Ressy | Its been raining for days with the front that Sandy just pushed aside. |
| 19:01.01 | pompy | the worst hasnt even hit yet |
| 19:01.03 | pompy | and its already bad |
| 19:01.19 | Ressy | http://gizmodo.com/5955575/hurricane-sandy-satellite-photos-and-videos-updating-live#crane |
| 19:02.30 | Fisker | anyone on the scene making awesome new panoramic shots with their nexus 4? |
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| 19:05.32 | ccox | "Jersey Shore is a cesspoolā¦ oh, wait, that's old news" |
| 19:08.19 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/22815_10102040162005869_885679549_n.jpg |
| 19:08.20 | pompy | fail |
| 19:09.09 | Kalroth | http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=497552 "Drew Bliss from Valve said that Linux is more viable than Windows 8 for gaming" |
| 19:10.58 | karl_w_w | http://gizmodo.com/5955689/sandy-could-really-flood-the-new-york-subway-system |
| 19:11.02 | A-KO | Kalroth: Seriously, the only reason Valve cares is because of the Marketplace. That's it. |
| 19:11.13 | karl_w_w | "Is the third rail still an issue if they shut down power to the rail systems? " |
| 19:11.13 | A-KO | The Windows Marketplace is a direct competitor to Steam |
| 19:11.15 | A-KO | Valve doesn't like it |
| 19:11.22 | Kalroth | that's reason enough, isnt it? :) |
| 19:11.25 | Ressy | Broken crane dangling outside CNN in New York |
| 19:12.04 | Kalroth | regardless, Microsoft is trying to be Apple and I can't see it being much of a success |
| 19:12.08 | Kalroth | so Valve need no worry |
| 19:13.35 | A-KO | Kalroth: It will be successful. |
| 19:13.41 | A-KO | give it until 2013 |
| 19:13.50 | A-KO | when Surface Pro hits, and the other vendors' Tablets take off |
| 19:14.08 | A-KO | I'm liking 8 |
| 19:14.10 | Kalroth | like when Zune took off? :) |
| 19:14.11 | A-KO | I bought 2 cpies of it |
| 19:14.17 | A-KO | os: Microsoft Windows 8 Pro - (6.2.9200) 64-bit up: 2wks 1day 1hr 49mins 57secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz at 2333MHz (2% Load) ram: 2688 / 8190MB (32.81%) [|||-------] gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB hdd: Free Space: 216.85GB/2.8TB System Temp: SpeedFanC CPU Temp: SpeedFanC GPU Temp: SpeedFan |
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| 19:15.28 | ccox | Surface - best selling point yet for Android |
| 19:15.34 | A-KO | I disagree |
| 19:15.39 | A-KO | when Surface Pro hits I'll be picking it up |
| 19:15.47 | A-KO | and so will many others |
| 19:15.56 | A-KO | a tablet that you can actually get something done on |
| 19:16.03 | Kalroth | that'll be the day |
| 19:16.06 | A-KO | ipad/android are toys compared to the Windows market in 2013 |
| 19:16.19 | A-KO | and you will see Google/iOS bend to accommodate |
| 19:16.27 | Kalroth | you really like your Microsoft products, eh? :) |
| 19:16.51 | ccox | Just like Bob, Zune, Cairo, etc. |
| 19:17.14 | A-KO | Kalroth: No, I just understand the value in the platform right now. Tablets are toys, more or less. They're nifty little toys that let people check news, weather, play some games. Yet none of the existing tablet platforms are capable of being used for work. People still cary laptops for anything to get done. |
| 19:17.24 | A-KO | The mix of the platforms is where MS hit |
| 19:17.27 | A-KO | and that's a good target on their part |
| 19:17.41 | A-KO | How many people carry an ipad *AND* a macbook? |
| 19:17.44 | ccox | There are tablets running full Windows - have been for over 10 years. |
| 19:17.47 | A-KO | people aren't using macbook airs |
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| 19:17.56 | Kalroth | I don't see that changing though, maybe Microsoft found the secret formula that Apple and Google didn't |
| 19:18.02 | Kalroth | Or maybe they didn't |
| 19:18.08 | A-KO | ccox: I've done extensive tablet work, having been on a widespread tablet project that has spanned 2 generations of PC-based tablets and the iPad. |
| 19:18.24 | A-KO | the Lenovo T41, the T200 |
| 19:18.51 | A-KO | I've had extensive conversations with my old company's primary iPad developer on where they sit. Windows 7 was flat out *NOT* a tablet platform. |
| 19:19.01 | karl_w_w | <A-KO> The mix of the platforms is where MS hit <- you're not basing this on past evidence, surely? :P |
| 19:19.02 | Kalroth | Of course it wasn't |
| 19:19.51 | ccox | So far I see the same sort of hype I saw around Bob, and Zune, and other failed Microsoft technologies. |
| 19:19.55 | A-KO | karl_w_w: Why look at the past? There's a product and the future in front. Microsoft is NOT competing with Android or iPad devices. They're picking a market that is not yet served by either. |
| 19:19.56 | Kalroth | karl_w_w, hey i can remember one non-windows/office product that Microsoft had success with in the last 10 years! |
| 19:20.20 | ccox | And metro - that's a big step backwards in UI. It might work on tablets, but Win8 desktop is suffering. |
| 19:20.23 | A-KO | the xbox is the most successful console right now, just an FYI. MS is very, very good at this. |
| 19:20.34 | Kalroth | clearly you've been attending too many buzzword sales meetings, A-KO -- but we'll see :) |
| 19:20.35 | A-KO | They are tremendously good at this |
| 19:21.23 | karl_w_w | sure they are |
| 19:22.08 | A-KO | Kalroth: I'm a realist. RIght now the business tablet is underserved. I carry an iPhone, I've had an iPhone since the 3G series, hitting every Tick of their release. I even picked up an iPhone 5. I have tremendous respect for the iPad as a device, especially versus the comparable mess that is the Android device market. But again, neither of those platforms service getting real work done. The |
| 19:22.08 | A-KO | iPad apps for presentations and documents and everything else are play items. |
| 19:22.11 | ccox | Microsoft is great at shipping something, and spending lots of money marketing it |
| 19:22.29 | A-KO | I give presentations from keynote on my iPhone, even. |
| 19:22.36 | A-KO | but it still blows |
| 19:22.43 | Kalroth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Worldwide and Xbox 360 still got a few units to be #1, but at least they're in top 10 now |
| 19:22.58 | mckenziemc | "I'm a realist." o_O |
| 19:23.09 | A-KO | Kalroth: Look at the month by month numbers for the past year |
| 19:23.25 | Kalroth | A-KO, I'm a realist too, the difference is that I like to see proof before shouting out how great something is |
| 19:23.38 | A-KO | I'm USING the OS, you're not. I fail to see how you're looking at proof. |
| 19:23.43 | Kalroth | Like I said, we'll see if Microsoft manages to change anything |
| 19:23.45 | A-KO | You aren't seeing any proof |
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| 19:23.49 | Kalroth | oh, how do you figure I'm not using the OS? |
| 19:23.51 | Fisker | it really isn't A-KO |
| 19:24.07 | Kalroth | like how we don't have 4 machines at work dedicated to win8 apps |
| 19:24.10 | karl_w_w | <A-KO> You aren't seeing any proof <- that being the problem? |
| 19:24.26 | A-KO | Metro's working fine here, Windows 8's working fine here. I'm anticipating when I can blow away my work laptop with it and load 8 on that as well. |
| 19:24.31 | ccox | Some of us are using the OS - we just don't use it much because it's not usable yet, and we don't buy the hype |
| 19:24.32 | A-KO | It's a pretty solid platform |
| 19:24.34 | Kalroth | lol |
| 19:24.53 | ccox | Solid? Wow, you must not be using the video drivers at all. |
| 19:24.56 | A-KO | ccox: It's not hype? It's significantly faster than 7, and I use both regularly on a daily basis to equal proportions. |
| 19:24.57 | Kalroth | Do you have any other religions, A-KO? :) |
| 19:25.05 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 19:25.16 | Kalroth | Win8 is stable because it's NT 6.2 |
| 19:25.21 | A-KO | 8 is on my personal laptop and my home desktop, 7 on my work laptop. I spend 40-50 hours/week on 7, and at least 20 hours/week on 8. |
| 19:25.22 | Kalroth | it's a new shell on top of Windows 7 |
| 19:25.27 | ccox | it's faster than 7 at a few things, but really, you've already had the KoolAde |
| 19:25.29 | Kalroth | what matters is the new features |
| 19:25.52 | A-KO | ccox: There's no "kool aid" in my drink, in fact, I am a unix admin at work :) |
| 19:25.54 | ccox | What matters is stability, compatibility, usability, and performance |
| 19:26.11 | karl_w_w | wow what a shocker, an operating system runs faster on a desktop than one on a laptop |
| 19:26.13 | A-KO | performance on 8 is higher than 7. Period. THis is a fact. my *8* desktop on a Core 2 duo smacks my *work* laptop on an i7. |
| 19:26.15 | karl_w_w | call the fucking papers |
| 19:26.16 | ccox | Win 8 is still lacking on stability, compatibility, usability - but doing ok on performance as long as you don't use the GPU |
| 19:26.23 | A-KO | don't use the gpu? what? |
| 19:26.31 | A-KO | what are you on about? |
| 19:26.48 | A-KO | going to link me to a blog article about some idiot who doesn't know shit about how to use a computer? |
| 19:26.51 | ccox | the Win8 video drivers are in bad shape, and the GPU vendors are scrambling to deal with a large number of bugs |
| 19:26.56 | A-KO | are they? |
| 19:26.58 | A-KO | Mine's not |
| 19:27.01 | A-KO | Nvidia GTX 460 here |
| 19:27.07 | A-KO | not sure which version I'm on |
| 19:27.17 | A-KO | 306.97 |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker | he probably means amd |
| 19:27.50 | Fisker | amd always make shitty drivers |
| 19:27.52 | A-KO | AMD has always had driver problems |
| 19:27.56 | A-KO | that's not new to 8 |
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| 19:28.08 | ccox | At least I expect Microsoft will fix the stability and compatibility problems relatively soon (unlike fruit companies) |
| 19:28.09 | A-KO | AMD has consistently had video drivers for years now |
| 19:28.17 | Kalroth | AMD wouldn't know a stable driver if it came up and tried to get them drunk |
| 19:28.34 | ccox | And no, NVidia, AMD and Intel all have problems - some of which stem from the OS code |
| 19:28.40 | A-KO | ccox: MS pushed a rather big update in September that made some major performance boosts to Metro. |
| 19:28.54 | A-KO | ccox: odd, can you link to anyone who knows anything about the internals of Windows enough to say that? |
| 19:28.56 | ccox | A-Ko - yeah, that's sooo last month |
| 19:29.06 | A-KO | owns the past 3 editions of the Windows Internals books |
| 19:29.22 | A-KO | not just some forum whining or blogs |
| 19:29.34 | ccox | Not unless you count the driver engineers for those 3 companies I've been working with for a while to narrow down and fix Win8 driver bugs. |
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| 19:29.50 | Kalroth | A-KO only gets his information from inside Microsoft, that's also why he knows it'll be so great! |
| 19:30.01 | A-KO | ccox: what? support@nvidia.com? |
| 19:30.18 | ccox | no, directly with engineers - I don't go through support |
| 19:30.39 | Kalroth | I get all my opinions about the American election from Fox News only, Romney is going to be the best president ever. |
| 19:30.50 | karl_w_w | takes the word of somebody who repeats pointless "amd drivers R bad hur hur" rhetoric |
| 19:30.56 | A-KO | ccox: It's hard to determine what's a "code bug" in Windows versus what's a "driver bug" because something doesn't work like it used to. I'd await a post mortem on the subject, personally. |
| 19:31.05 | ccox | I'm an app developer, in silicon valley, who can call them directly or go drive over to meet them to debug issues |
| 19:31.33 | A-KO | cccox: Just because the platform changed and drivers are crashing does not mean it's a platform problem. |
| 19:31.35 | ccox | When the OS does something wrong, and does it for all 3 major GPU vendors - it's almost certainly a bug in the OS code. |
| 19:31.46 | A-KO | "wrong" is only in the eye of the beholder here. |
| 19:31.54 | Kalroth | karl_w_w, well they ARE bad :) i've had AMD cards for years now and they're often buggy and unstable - AMD makes great graphics hardware, but lacks on the software side |
| 19:32.09 | ccox | When the OS does something that violates the OpenGL spec, and the DirectX spec, and does it for all 3 major GPU vendors - it might be an OS bug. |
| 19:32.11 | Kalroth | nVidia got their issues too, but they seem to be better than AMD drivers overall |
| 19:33.30 | A-KO | ccox: Must be a very specific bug, I haven't seen it across a multitude of games. But admittedly, I don't handle obscure random shit either. On a more personal level, Most of my time at work for the previous 2 jobs has been pointing out to developers where their code is wrong versus the environment. It's at this point a fun hobby :) And this extends beyond the OS debate. |
| 19:33.44 | ccox | Bugs, plural. |
| 19:33.57 | A-KO | like an ipad app developer who didn't code client side caching because he expected a 100% always available TCP session over wifi. |
| 19:34.04 | A-KO | that was a fun conversation |
| 19:34.44 | ccox | The visually most annoying affects multiple applications (games, After Effects, Photoshop, Avid, etc.) that use the GPU. |
| 19:35.16 | Cairenn|afk | Back in a bit guys, getting in some last minute supplies before the storm hits. |
| 19:35.17 | ccox | Some of the more obscure bugs are more limited (buffer switches only, certain shader ops only). |
| 19:35.19 | A-KO | meh, I wouldn't put it past those apps having their own bugs. But one thing is 100% certain. Every single vendor involved is going to point fingers at the other guy. |
| 19:35.26 | A-KO | Because that's what they do |
| 19:35.41 | ccox | A-KO - no, they talk, and figure out who is at fault. |
| 19:35.48 | A-KO | LOL |
| 19:35.54 | A-KO | maybe the engineers behind the scenes |
| 19:35.56 | A-KO | but not publicly |
| 19:35.58 | A-KO | nor officially |
| 19:36.00 | ccox | their support lines might point fingers, but engineers tend to get down to business |
| 19:36.12 | A-KO | the management, the upper management, the PR |
| 19:36.15 | A-KO | they will all point fingers |
| 19:36.19 | ccox | well, I only deal with the actual engineers behingd the scenes |
| 19:36.57 | ccox | I'm a little to busy to waste time on PR and upper management confusion |
| 19:37.12 | A-KO | I'm not putting it past 8 to have bugs, but it's so early in the release right now that I wouldn't exactly put it past the other app vendors to have bugs either. Most importantly, words are spoken long before the digging through internals has happened. |
| 19:37.34 | A-KO | It's much quicker to say "8 broke our shit" than it is to debug the problem first. |
| 19:37.37 | ccox | Um, no, I've been digging through internals for months already |
| 19:37.53 | A-KO | Amusingly, are the MS engineers involved? That's also important :) |
| 19:37.59 | ccox | yes, of course |
| 19:38.06 | A-KO | circle jerking over another team's product without involving them is also just as bad |
| 19:38.47 | A-KO | I've just been in way too many meetings and conversations over the years to really believe that there are actual developers out there who know wtf they're doing most of the time......at my previous 2 jobs I had to debug their products for them, and I didn't even have access to the code |
| 19:39.03 | A-KO | it got tiring |
| 19:39.05 | A-KO | very fast |
| 19:39.23 | ccox | yes, there are actual developers who know WTF we're doing. |
| 19:39.33 | A-KO | like an app that missed a registry key for a location of itself and started to zip up C:\ instead of failing out. |
| 19:39.35 | A-KO | That was fun |
| 19:40.07 | karl_w_w | A-KO: you are talking as if GPU manufacturers were surprised by win 8 |
| 19:40.27 | A-KO | karl_w_w: Judging on their past history of OS releases and their drivers, honestly? lol. |
| 19:40.38 | A-KO | You think 8 is bad? Vista was a fucking nightmare.... |
| 19:40.51 | ccox | ok, that I'll give you |
| 19:41.05 | A-KO | over 1/3rd of crashes on Vista early on were video driver bugs specifically. |
| 19:41.12 | A-KO | I think MS published the numbers |
| 19:41.25 | karl_w_w | considering amd had a driver out for consumer preview the day it was announced, 8 months ago, I think you'll find they've had a little while to get used to it |
| 19:42.06 | ccox | For Vista, MS did surprise developers with some last minute changes, bugs, etc. and didn't get in enough early testing. |
| 19:42.12 | A-KO | karl_w_w: Nvidia during Vista was still pushing an RC2 driver for up to 30 days *after* the OS *RELEASE* of Vista, that's not counting RTM. |
| 19:42.26 | ccox | But for Win8 they had more lead time, BUT didn't get the OS bugs fixed even with all the feedback. |
| 19:42.50 | ccox | So GPU vendors are trying to work around OS bugs until an OS patch is ready. |
| 19:42.53 | A-KO | ccox: The nice thing about it is that MS is pushing rolling releases with 8. So we should see any bugs squashed much faster tahn an "SP1". |
| 19:42.54 | pompy | https://twitter.com/LBINow/status/262991933092274176/photo/1 |
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| 19:43.02 | ccox | And app vendors are doing the same |
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| 19:43.42 | ccox | We'll see how well that approach works, when they actually deliver fixes. |
| 19:43.55 | ccox | (again, still gotta be faster than the fruit company...) |
| 19:44.47 | A-KO | I still think 8 as a whole is a solid platform. It's a bit jarring to most users initially, but the crying that everyone makes is made during every major MS OS release. This includes Windows XP's release. |
| 19:45.17 | A-KO | MS IS SPYING ON YOU! ACTIVATION! IT'S TAKING CONTROL OF YOUR PC! MS IS GOING TO DISABLE YOUR PC! USE XP ANTI SPY TO TURN OFF SERVICES! 98 IS BETTER FOR GAMING! |
| 19:45.21 | ccox | No, the crying about the UI is worse -- Win8 is not so useful on the desktop |
| 19:45.22 | karl_w_w | I don't remember any crying around win 7 |
| 19:46.09 | A-KO | ccox: I disagree, but it's a bit backwards. On a personal level, I do like both the home and login screen to be able to provide some realtime app views of my systems. |
| 19:46.28 | A-KO | karl_w_w: That's because Vista took all the crying. And by that time XP was starting to get old. |
| 19:46.35 | A-KO | 7 is just a polished Vista, really. |
| 19:46.50 | karl_w_w | Yes, yes it is |
| 19:47.00 | karl_w_w | whereas win 8 is a bucket of crud |
| 19:47.01 | A-KO | But the crying XP endured very early on, that was the stuff of legend. |
| 19:47.25 | karl_w_w | actually it's not really a bucket of crud |
| 19:47.32 | A-KO | I disagree. Again, I think it's a decent platform so far. I've been awaiting one of my copies to get here so I can finally load it on my laptop and get off the damn release preview. |
| 19:47.48 | karl_w_w | it's more a core of some win7 and some interesting features, wrapped in an impenetrable layer of crud |
| 19:47.53 | A-KO | I don't use Metro as much as I'd prefer, but that's just because it's "new", and old habits die hard |
| 19:47.58 | Xuerian | "nooooo chaaaange nooooo" |
| 19:48.10 | A-KO | Win8 makes some seriously intense changes behind the scenes compared to 7. Same with 2012 over 2008R2 |
| 19:48.16 | A-KO | They're both really rather significant under the hood upgrades |
| 19:48.35 | ccox | yes, I'm looking forward to people taking advantages of some of the thread scheduling fixes. |
| 19:48.43 | karl_w_w | remember when win xp came out and everyone was crying about how ugly it looked? at least you had the options to change it back to how it looked in 2000 |
| 19:48.53 | A-KO | First and foremost for 2012, you can actually have literally rip out the UI components. Not just have a 'server core'. But literally rip them out. |
| 19:48.56 | Xuerian | turns removes the underlock on his graphics card to start heating his room up. Freaking winter. |
| 19:49.02 | ccox | And getting more people to use the improved launch caches |
| 19:49.21 | A-KO | ccox: The shitty part about 8 is that the crying over Metro will overshadow the truly awesome under the hood upgrades. |
| 19:49.44 | Xuerian | Nah, the shitty part is they had to drop the halfway-decent "Metro" brand officially |
| 19:49.47 | ccox | s/the crying over// |
| 19:50.08 | karl_w_w | <A-KO> ccox: The shitty part about 8 is that the crying over Metro will overshadow the truly awesome under the hood upgrades. <- for good reason |
| 19:50.10 | A-KO | Meh, give it a year. You won't be able to buy an LCD without a touch screen on it. |
| 19:50.16 | A-KO | then it won't be a big deal |
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| 19:50.28 | karl_w_w | win8 is a ricer's operating system |
| 19:50.49 | karl_w_w | it looks ugly as fuck but when you ask the owner he says "yeah but it's like a ferrari underneath!" |
| 19:50.50 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: Have you used a program like Quicksilver, Launchy, or FARR? |
| 19:50.57 | A-KO | when I pick up my Surface Pro and use it at work, You'll see lots of businesses switching. Executives across the board will switch to at least something based on that design guideline. |
| 19:51.17 | A-KO | a tablet they can actually get shit done on? Sign 'em up. |
| 19:51.21 | A-KO | The market is there |
| 19:51.26 | A-KO | Netbooks and Ultrabooks prove that |
| 19:51.30 | kd3 | hm |
| 19:51.33 | A-KO | that's the market that Surface Pro is going after |
| 19:51.37 | kd3 | wonders how much of NJ is under water yet |
| 19:52.03 | ccox | kd3: not enough, not nearly enough |
| 19:52.33 | A-KO | amazingly I still have power |
| 19:52.41 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: Because that's all "Metro" is to us normal desktop users. I really don't get where your complaints are coming from. Unless you miss the start menu, because then I'm just going to have to disapprove. |
| 19:52.42 | A-KO | Of course, the fucking eletric company wants to charge us more for doing their jobs |
| 19:52.44 | pompy | kd3: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s480x480/229945_465396496837275_1905769992_n.jpg |
| 19:52.46 | pompy | there |
| 19:52.49 | karl_w_w | I'm still wondering how surface is supposed to make people suddenly use tablets at work where they didn't before |
| 19:53.03 | A-KO | karl_w_w: Surface Pro, firstly; not this shit released right now |
| 19:53.07 | pompy | A-KO: yeah i have power still too |
| 19:53.11 | pompy | A-KO: thats LBI |
| 19:53.15 | pompy | its fawked |
| 19:53.49 | Xuerian | Sandy: The Rising Ocean Levels Trailer |
| 19:53.50 | A-KO | I'm in MD. Normally even slight storms give us trouble. But the electric company did a lot of tree trimming after that "Derecho" came through. But now they want to charge people for maintaining that. |
| 19:53.54 | karl_w_w | Xuerian: I miss the ability to do things in a few key presses |
| 19:54.03 | A-KO | karl_w_w: 8 has far more keyboard shortcuts than 7 |
| 19:54.05 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: What things take more, if not less, keypresses? |
| 19:54.06 | karl_w_w | well, I would if I was using win 8 |
| 19:54.08 | A-KO | so technically you can do more from the keyboard |
| 19:54.25 | pompy | http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/302816_10151224563558288_294480980_n.jpg wildwood |
| 19:54.27 | karl_w_w | opening programs, Xuerian |
| 19:54.32 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: lolno |
| 19:54.33 | A-KO | winkey + R? |
| 19:54.41 | A-KO | taskbar? |
| 19:54.43 | karl_w_w | lol run? |
| 19:54.50 | A-KO | winkey + R = run ? |
| 19:54.52 | karl_w_w | im supposed to type the exe name? |
| 19:54.56 | karl_w_w | that's your solution for me? |
| 19:55.07 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: I'm using 8 release right now. I have been for two weeks, and it is much quicker to launch programs with it. |
| 19:55.07 | A-KO | You're the one that mentioned the keyboard |
| 19:55.08 | A-KO | not I |
| 19:55.10 | Xuerian | NOT using the run box |
| 19:55.20 | pompy | Xuerian: she also does this https://twitter.com/LBINow/status/262991933092274176/photo/1 |
| 19:55.40 | Xuerian | pompy: Power lines just want to have fun too |
| 19:55.51 | A-KO | http://www.redmondpie.com/this-extensive-list-of-windows-8-keyboard-shortcuts-will-help-you-adapt-to-the-new-interface/ |
| 19:56.03 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: I'll continue entertaining your doomsaying later, have to afk |
| 19:56.18 | Xuerian | Also that. |
| 19:57.00 | A-KO | oh that's nice. winkey + # |
| 19:57.02 | A-KO | didn't know that |
| 19:57.03 | A-KO | that's awesome |
| 19:57.04 | pompy | kd3: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/178993_438100976227320_1725065505_n.jpg http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/223788_465305973512994_2032101227_n.jpg |
| 19:57.05 | pompy | AC |
| 19:57.11 | karl_w_w | yeah, except I don't need to remember a list of shortcuts to use win 7 |
| 19:57.13 | pompy | Atlantic City |
| 19:57.30 | A-KO | karl_w_w: I haven't used the start menu in many years, including in the XP days. So for me, it's not a huge deal. |
| 19:57.33 | karl_w_w | i dont need a key to get me off the uglyscreen and back to what i was doing |
| 19:57.43 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT0ofNU1NzA |
| 19:57.50 | Dagmar | THis is pretty fuckin' bad considering that the storm isn't here yet |
| 19:57.58 | pompy | exactly Dagmar |
| 19:58.17 | pompy | and its proly gunna arrive in teh dark |
| 19:58.18 | pompy | sigh |
| 19:58.23 | pompy | like every other fkn storm |
| 19:59.03 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: If you want to pick something real to complain about, complain about them removing Aero. I liked that, it was nice |
| 19:59.24 | karl_w_w | something real to complain about? |
| 19:59.43 | A-KO | aero peek? |
| 19:59.47 | A-KO | I liked that, too :( |
| 19:59.50 | A-KO | same with gadgets; ( |
| 19:59.59 | karl_w_w | something real to complain about he says |
| 20:00.05 | Xuerian | Peek is still there I think |
| 20:00.11 | A-KO | nope |
| 20:00.15 | A-KO | winkey + space no longer worky |
| 20:00.17 | karl_w_w | if it's not real, why are people complaining about it? |
| 20:00.23 | Xuerian | Oh, right. |
| 20:00.33 | pompy | http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541222_4012331192259_166263755_n.jpg |
| 20:00.37 | A-KO | karl_w_w: blog spam. It's big money to whine about 8 right now, to post anything about 8. Ads |
| 20:00.40 | Xuerian | karl_w_w: If the world isn't over, why were millions of people saying it would be? |
| 20:00.51 | A-KO | Every post about 8 right now will get read |
| 20:00.53 | A-KO | means money for blogs |
| 20:01.03 | A-KO | as the masses clamor for information on it |
| 20:01.06 | Xuerian | pompy: Lol |
| 20:01.08 | A-KO | SHOULD I SWITCH? SHOULD I NOT? |
| 20:01.14 | Dagmar | pompy: concise, and effective. |
| 20:01.25 | karl_w_w | i dont really give a shit about people who havent used it |
| 20:01.29 | Dagmar | A-KO: You should not. |
| 20:01.33 | karl_w_w | i dont see how that's relevant |
| 20:01.37 | A-KO | I've been on it for months Dagmar |
| 20:01.38 | A-KO | heh |
| 20:01.48 | A-KO | Xuerian: See the netsh/TCP changes? |
| 20:01.55 | A-KO | You can now set per-application/port TCP settings |
| 20:01.58 | A-KO | that's a nice boost |
| 20:02.02 | A-KO | mostly datacenter centric |
| 20:02.02 | Xuerian | A-KO: Nope. Nice. |
| 20:02.10 | karl_w_w | "ferrari underneath" again a-ko |
| 20:02.22 | A-KO | they also added a new TCP algorithm |
| 20:02.27 | A-KO | DCTCP, IIRC |
| 20:02.44 | A-KO | congestion algorithm* rather |
| 20:03.09 | Xuerian | Too bad it's not magic powers and still doesn't fix my ISP's packetloss problem =|. I want to play some Planetside 2. |
| 20:03.26 | A-KO | karl_w_w: Fine. Want me to focus on more above hood changes? It's faster, loads faster, boots faster, reboots faster, logs in faster, windows are snappier, move easier. |
| 20:03.36 | A-KO | I could go on here. |
| 20:04.04 | karl_w_w | it logs in slower than not logging in |
| 20:04.10 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 20:04.15 | Xuerian | oh shit. |
| 20:04.18 | Xuerian | gg. |
| 20:04.47 | Xuerian | I'll admit karl_w_w, you've had me going. But now actually afk :p |
| 20:05.06 | karl_w_w | going? I thought you already went |
| 20:06.29 | karl_w_w | you see, if it wasn't clear, I don't need to login when I start my win 7 machine |
| 20:08.20 | karl_w_w | I'm amazed that people can look at it and not see a disjointed and ugly UI |
| 20:10.02 | Dagmar | Boxes are a designer's way of saying "aesthetics? Who needs 'em!" |
| 20:10.31 | Dagmar | "What's important here is that people can't fucking bury their desktop in icons." |
| 20:11.05 | Dagmar | "Oh my the left thide of my fathe hath gone numbth!" |
| 20:12.59 | karl_w_w | except you have to bury your desktop in icons in win 8 :P |
| 20:13.44 | Dagmar | Ah but they're not icons. They're info-panel-applet-widgets |
| 20:13.56 | karl_w_w | no i meant the real desktop |
| 20:14.05 | karl_w_w | not the tablet ui they layered on top |
| 20:16.09 | karl_w_w | because shortcutting everything is the best way to keep them easily accessible |
| 20:16.22 | durcyn | not since microsoft bob have they had such a terrible shell, pay five bucks for start8 and go on with your life |
| 20:20.22 | Kalroth | i dont get what the fuss is all about, there's still no end of sale on Windows 7 and end of support is 2015, 2020 if you're a business |
| 20:20.45 | Kalroth | so we got at least another 8 years before we have to worry :p |
| 20:21.38 | karl_w_w | the fuss is that a-ko is making it out to be the best thing since sliced bread despite all evidence to the contrary :P |
| 20:21.42 | Fisker | hey |
| 20:21.57 | Kalroth | there's also a lot of people trying to sell Romney, karl_w_w :) |
| 20:23.28 | karl_w_w | yeah but a lot of them have a financial interest in that :P |
| 20:24.22 | Kalroth | and what makes you think A-KO doesn't? |
| 20:24.35 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 20:24.38 | Fisker | don't hey then |
| 20:25.14 | karl_w_w | makes hay while the Fisker shines |
| 20:25.19 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 20:25.38 | karl_w_w | Fisker are you punky brewster? |
| 20:27.06 | Unkle | He can't be Punky Brewster... She grows up to be Amy Farah Fowler |
| 20:27.35 | Unkle | Oh wait, that was Blossom. |
| 20:27.40 | Unkle | Never Mind. |
| 20:27.42 | karl_w_w | i was gonna say |
| 20:28.34 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 20:29.21 | Mr_Rabies | i'm thinking about automating some of our raid group's calendar stuff, any clue what is generally regarded as useful for automatically inviting the same people every week? |
| 20:30.24 | Fisker | ora3? |
| 20:31.15 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't seem to do any calendar stuff |
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| 20:31.49 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not actually leading the raid, i just want to make sure there's no ambiguity about raid times, et |
| 20:31.51 | Mr_Rabies | etc |
| 20:34.42 | karl_w_w | I've decided I'm going to start listing real life caveats in my curseforge file uploads under known caveats because I don't like leaving it blank as if I think it's going to be a bug-free upload. |
| 20:35.52 | Unkle | This bag is not a toy. Happy Fun Ball is filled with a glowing substance that fell to Earth, presumably from space. Do not put head in Mongo Bat. |
| 20:37.34 | Torhal|work | wonders if Unkle is secretly Toonces. |
| 20:37.57 | Unkle | I drive better than he does. |
| 20:38.03 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 20:38.19 | Torhal|work | I figured you'd know that since you were doing the Happy Fun Ball thing. |
| 20:38.40 | Torhal|work | Unkle: Isn't it terrible that a family can be torn apart by something as simpleā¦as a pack of wild dogs? |
| 20:39.39 | Unkle | The sauce. You like the sauce, eh? |
| 20:43.19 | Torhal|work | Unkle: He like the juice. |
| 20:44.03 | Unkle | So this is what it has come to, quoting fragments of SNL skits. |
| 20:44.13 | Torhal|work | Ahahaha |
| 20:45.37 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 20:45.51 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could just set a raid time and have an addon handle the rest for me :X |
| 20:46.01 | kd3 | lmao; http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/files/2012/10/original.gif |
| 20:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | well, raid time/group of people to invite |
| 20:47.30 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: if it helps I was considering writing an addon to improve the calendar event system |
| 20:47.40 | karl_w_w | but then I decided it wasn't worth it :P |
| 20:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | well thanks >:O |
| 20:48.07 | karl_w_w | any time |
| 20:48.10 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, just being able to copy the details from another event to the event thing would be nice |
| 20:48.16 | Mr_Rabies | right now you have to manually refill out all the forms |
| 20:48.24 | Mr_Rabies | :| |
| 20:48.42 | karl_w_w | you could probably write a script to do that |
| 20:52.12 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
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| 21:04.42 | Arrowmaster | "With Android 4.2, you can add multiple users and switch between them instantly right from the lockscreen." |
| 21:04.45 | Arrowmaster | yay |
| 21:05.54 | Fisker | old Arrowmaster |
| 21:06.00 | cogwheel | old Fisker |
| 21:06.02 | Fisker | also widgets on lockscreen |
| 21:06.04 | Fisker | awesome |
| 21:06.11 | Fisker | old cogwheel |
| 21:06.20 | Arrowmaster | well you could do it with 4.1.1 |
| 21:06.26 | Arrowmaster | but it wasnt officially supported |
| 21:06.35 | Fisker | you couldn't really |
| 21:06.43 | Fisker | they had some code |
| 21:06.53 | Fisker | but nothing to actually make it work without modifications |
| 21:07.08 | Arrowmaster | i saw it work without modifications |
| 21:07.14 | Fisker | i doubt it |
| 21:20.05 | Fisker | i wish you could do dailies again without the reward |
| 21:21.20 | Kalroth | you're mentally ill |
| 21:21.30 | Kalroth | there's no other explanation! |
| 21:27.01 | Fisker | how so? |
| 21:27.30 | Fisker | have you even begun to consider that someone may appreciate the tasks done in a specific daily quest? |
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| 21:35.28 | Kalroth | Fisker, for about half a second |
| 21:38.47 | Fisker | ok Kalroth |
| 21:39.00 | Fisker | i really like doing the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy |
| 21:39.05 | Fisker | it's really fun |
| 21:39.16 | Fisker | but i have to cut my fun short by having to complete dailies :( |
| 21:39.36 | Kalroth | i haven't played wow since first month of wrath, so i dont know what all that is, but it sounds like suxx! |
| 21:39.40 | mckenziemc | i'm so sorry Fisker |
| 21:41.55 | Fisker | it's pretty awesome |
| 21:42.01 | Fisker | it's like those bombing run quests Kalroth |
| 21:42.02 | wereHamster | Kalroth: and still hanging out here? |
| 21:42.09 | Fisker | except that you can use your own mount |
| 21:42.19 | Kalroth | wereHamster, i'm stalking a few people |
| 21:42.36 | Kalroth | I'd wager that less than half this channel still plays WoW :p |
| 21:43.56 | Xuerian | Less, if you limit it to people who enjoy it |
| 21:44.16 | wereHamster | why would someone play it even though not enjoying it? |
| 21:44.42 | Xuerian | Friends, something to do, taking a break from fixing their addon, etc |
| 21:45.12 | Semlar | masochism |
| 21:45.19 | Xuerian | That too |
| 21:47.01 | Kalroth | stockholm syndrome |
| 21:49.47 | Xuerian | A little of that |
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| 22:00.49 | F16Gaming | !api IsAddOnLoaded |
| 22:00.49 | lua_bot | IsAddOnLoaded: Returns whether an addon is currently loaded (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/IsAddOnLoaded) |
| 22:00.52 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 22:00.58 | F16Gaming | it returns two values in-game |
| 22:01.07 | F16Gaming | but wowprogramming and wowpedia both state it has only one return value |
| 22:01.10 | F16Gaming | what is the second? |
| 22:01.22 | F16Gaming | (it returns 1, 1 on IsAddOnLoaded("GTFO")) |
| 22:04.26 | A-KO | F16Gaming: Maybe search on the UI dev forums? |
| 22:06.31 | F16Gaming | doesn't seem to have much |
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| 22:09.22 | Xuerian | Is it the loadondemand flag? |
| 22:10.00 | F16Gaming | not sure |
| 22:10.04 | F16Gaming | GTFO is not load on demand |
| 22:10.39 | F16Gaming | so it can't be that |
| 22:11.13 | Xuerian | shrugs. |
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| 22:26.03 | zenzelezz | "I heard the World's Dumbest Criminals film crew is headed to the east coast to capture a whole season in one night." |
| 22:31.05 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/ayHx5.jpg |
| 22:33.11 | Fisker | older than the internet Arrowmaster |
| 22:33.12 | Xuerian | What's the casting animation that makes you all bluegreen, gives you a aura and text around your feet? |
| 22:33.19 | Xuerian | Or rather, what IS it? |
| 22:33.28 | g0urra | what? |
| 22:33.51 | g0urra | you mean the effect from http://www.wowhead.com/item=72898 ? |
| 22:33.52 | Fisker | graphical corruption would be my guess |
| 22:33.53 | mckenziemc | older than your mom Fisker |
| 22:34.40 | Xuerian | Well, I'm idling at the panda portal, and I saw someone do it. I think I saw a NPC monk in Pandaria doing the same animation, but it was a player with a mask and they disappeared after channeling. It definitely wasn't foul gift. It was monk-y magic-y. |
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| 22:37.17 | zenzelezz | if they disappeared after channeling it, it sounds somewhat like hearthstone, but I'm sure you'd recognize that one |
| 22:38.24 | Xuerian | Yeah, it was definitely not that 0_o.. This wasn't really a particle thing, it was more like blue dragonflight circlymagic runes, with a gradient aura and a sharper ring of glow around it. |
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| 22:44.33 | durcyn | legendary staff mount possibly? i can't remember if that has the runes on the animation |
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| 23:15.46 | F16Gaming | playing around with PlayerModel frame is fun :o |
| 23:15.53 | F16Gaming | f=CreateFrame"PlayerModel"f:SetSize(500,500)f:SetPoint"CENTER"f:SetUnit("player")f:SetScript("OnAnimFinished",function(s)s:SetAnimation(126)end)f:SetAnimation(126) |
| 23:16.01 | F16Gaming | 126 = Whirlwind spinning animation |
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| 23:24.33 | F16Gaming | is there some library with every AoE spell ID, or do I have to rely on GTFO? |
| 23:29.57 | Maldivia | why do you want every aoe spell? |
| 23:30.44 | mckenziemc | to hit all the things |
| 23:34.20 | TC-Work | Adys: can a JS function call a python function? |
| 23:34.31 | Adys | What do you mean? |
| 23:34.47 | Maldivia | Adys: just say yes :P |
| 23:34.52 | TC-Work | Not sure how to say that any clearer |
| 23:34.57 | TC-Work | ~lart Maldivia |
| 23:34.57 | purl | duct-tapes Maldivia to the floor and drools on him |
| 23:35.00 | Adys | Maldivia: Nod when he stops to breathe? |
| 23:35.02 | Kalroth | in what environment? |
| 23:35.11 | Adys | TC-Work: if i understand what you want, then no |
| 23:35.11 | TC-Work | python with embedded html |
| 23:35.36 | Adys | TC-Work: python's "embedded html" is just when the print function has its output redirected to the server |
| 23:35.46 | Maldivia | TC-Work: JS = client-side, python = server-side |
| 23:35.48 | Adys | the server does all that |
| 23:36.03 | Adys | so what you want is for js to call a specific uri (ajax or such) |
| 23:36.11 | Kalroth | embed spidermonkey imo |
| 23:36.16 | Adys | thats how most client/server integration is done |
| 23:36.22 | Kalroth | Maldivia, node.js! |
| 23:36.53 | Maldivia | Kalroth: yeah yeah, I know there's an exception to everything, but still, in most cases, JS = client side |
| 23:37.38 | Kalroth | hrmm, i wonder if someone wrote a python interpreter in javascript |
| 23:37.45 | Kalroth | then you could run python in the browser! |
| 23:38.37 | Kalroth | http://syntensity.com/static/python.html excellent, there you go, TC |
| 23:38.38 | Maldivia | Kalroth: you can do <script language="text/python"> ? |
| 23:39.18 | Adys | thats the idea |
| 23:39.39 | Kalroth | Maldivia, no real browsers support python |
| 23:41.21 | F16Gaming | Maldivia: to detect if a player is standing in one (like GTFO does) |
| 23:41.29 | F16Gaming | the player* |
| 23:42.13 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.31 | TC-Work | Kalroth: interesting chrome crashed every time i tried to go to that link |
| 23:42.37 | Semlar | i just relied on some assumptions about the aura |
| 23:42.49 | Semlar | i'm not sure how reliable it is in practice though |
| 23:42.53 | Kalroth | TC-Work, firefox choked a little, but it works here |
| 23:42.59 | TC-Work | yea |
| 23:43.09 | Kalroth | the javascript is pretty hideous |
| 23:43.15 | F16Gaming | someone oughta make a library for it so you don't have to depend on an entire addon :P |
| 23:43.52 | Semlar | well, all i did was check that the aura was a debuff with no duration and that it caused damage by watching combat log events |
| 23:44.09 | Semlar | and from that information i gathered that it was a void zone |
| 23:44.43 | Semlar | i didn't have enough samples to know how accurate that was |
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| 23:47.00 | Maldivia | F16Gaming: considered getting the spell data in game for what's currently buffing/damaging the player? |
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| 23:48.02 | F16Gaming | it has info whether it's AoE or not? |
| 23:48.28 | Maldivia | to be honest, can't rmember how much is exposed now, but I think it's quite a lot |
| 23:48.28 | Semlar | are you looking for aoes or specifically void zones |
| 23:53.04 | Semlar | i made warning about what you were in combat with by scanning the spell tooltip with some patterns i made but that would be useless for other language clients and wouldn't catch everything |
| 23:53.33 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/kDmnQ.jpg this is what it looked like |
| 23:55.55 | Semlar | it is possible to generate a database from the spell data in the dbc files but it's kind of a pain |
| 23:56.13 | Semlar | and of course would have to be kept updated |
