| 00:01.51 | F16Gaming | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/killtrack/repositories/mainline/packager/#w-packager-start-2012-10-23t23-53-44-798778 |
| 00:01.53 | F16Gaming | *sigh* |
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| 00:14.08 | F16Gaming | now if someone can delete all of the nonsense nolib zips on killtrack that'd be awesome. takes too long via the website |
| 00:14.11 | F16Gaming | :P |
| 00:16.46 | pompy | are you fuskare01? |
| 00:16.52 | F16Gaming | yes |
| 00:17.06 | pompy | yiou should be able to delete themyourself |
| 00:17.23 | F16Gaming | yeah, but it's tedious having to click each individual file :/ |
| 00:17.38 | pompy | ..hey i had to undelete 4564645 translations on a project |
| 00:17.45 | F16Gaming | if only files had checkboxes and a "Do this to selected files" :P |
| 00:18.07 | pompy | about 200 of them, so you can delete the 20 or so |
| 00:18.08 | pompy | :P |
| 00:18.16 | Vlad| | Killa778: having fun? :P |
| 00:18.20 | Vlad| | I see the others are lol |
| 00:18.45 | F16Gaming | pompy: and the stupid confirm page makes this take even more time |
| 00:18.51 | pompy | exactly |
| 00:18.56 | pompy | we blame ckknight for that |
| 00:18.56 | F16Gaming | it won't accept an empty reason field either, which puzzles me |
| 00:19.16 | F16Gaming | and the ADDITIONAL checkbox on the delete page "Confirm?" |
| 00:19.26 | F16Gaming | 3 clicks and some keypresses to delete a file :/ |
| 00:19.34 | Vlad| | better safe than sorry |
| 00:19.35 | Vlad| | :D |
| 00:19.49 | F16Gaming | it would be enough with "Delete file link" -> "Confirm delete button" |
| 00:19.49 | Vlad| | maybe need a better system when mass editing yes :P |
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| 00:20.57 | Vlad| | actually we need a link to lead us to the delete page, then a captcha check, then a input box where we enter the word "delete" then we enter our password to confirm, then we enter a reason minimum 32 words long, then we check the checkbox "Confirm" and then we hit "Delete" on the bottom |
| 00:21.50 | Semlar | i'm afraid i cannot let you do that |
| 00:23.13 | F16Gaming | Vlad|: the word "delete" has to exactly match "dElEtE" |
| 00:23.21 | Vlad| | :D |
| 00:23.33 | F16Gaming | and then it sends a text to your phone with a verification code |
| 00:23.51 | Vlad| | we make the characters random lower case and uppercase along with accents, like dêlèté |
| 00:23.52 | F16Gaming | then it needs your CC details to make sure your billable if something goes wrong |
| 00:24.01 | F16Gaming | you're* |
| 00:24.22 | Vlad| | don't forget the obligatory like on curses facebook profile and a retweet to confirm the deletion |
| 00:24.33 | F16Gaming | oh and a +1 to google |
| 00:25.00 | F16Gaming | and then a 4 page essay about how the deleting makes you feel |
| 00:25.18 | Vlad| | needs to be graded by a licensed university scholar |
| 00:25.31 | F16Gaming | with reputable sources, no wikipedia |
| 00:26.26 | Vlad| | needs to be personally kissed by Torhal while he is wearing lipstick so it leaves a kiss like mark on the envelope |
| 00:26.55 | Torhal | tosses Vlad| down a flight of stairs then drives over him with a steamroller. |
| 00:26.57 | F16Gaming | and completely handwritten |
| 00:26.59 | Torhal | That good enough? |
| 00:27.02 | Vlad| | :D |
| 00:28.08 | Vlad| | Torhal how are you? what are you doing? :) |
| 00:28.21 | F16Gaming | is fed up by packager and going to sleep |
| 00:28.34 | Torhal | Extremely tired, and just finished a big ARL revamp. |
| 00:28.44 | Vlad| | ARL? show me. |
| 00:29.12 | Torhal | Vlad|: http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/files/11972-2-4-2-13-gfd4d07f/ |
| 00:29.32 | Vlad| | ah |
| 00:30.00 | Vlad| | question, is the limitation in the default UI that too many recipes bug the tradeskill frame? |
| 00:30.06 | Vlad| | or can it be buypassed with a custom coded frame? |
| 00:30.25 | Torhal | No idea what you're talking about. |
| 00:30.54 | Vlad| | well |
| 00:30.57 | Vlad| | if you load incription |
| 00:31.02 | Vlad| | or enchanting, like, all recipes |
| 00:31.09 | Vlad| | the frame bugs, can't let you navigate |
| 00:31.20 | Vlad| | wonder if that happens with ARL too :d |
| 00:31.48 | Torhal | You have an AddOn fucking with things because I just did it and I can scroll without issue |
| 00:32.00 | Vlad| | ehm |
| 00:32.08 | Vlad| | let me show you |
| 00:32.15 | Vlad| | calm down Torhal |
| 00:32.19 | Torhal | o.O |
| 00:32.27 | Torhal | I'm hyped because I said "fucking with"? |
| 00:32.32 | Vlad| | yes :P |
| 00:32.38 | Torhal | Weirdo. |
| 00:33.06 | Dagmar | He's not the one talking about addons having sex. |
| 00:33.10 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 00:33.27 | Torhal | Dagmar: Isn't that what they have to do, nowdays, to get around some of the weird-ass API? |
| 00:34.04 | Vlad| | :P |
| 00:34.07 | Dagmar | I've no idea. I just know Skillet seems to be a little confused about the materials I have available. Beyond that mine mostly behave without having to resort to so much as a hummer/. |
| 00:34.23 | Vlad| | I guess you can call taint spreading some sexually transmited disease, so I can kind of agree with you Torhal. |
| 00:34.59 | Semlar | essentially your addon is a whore |
| 00:35.03 | Dagmar | Also, I just managed to find a microSD card in a pile of black clothing, so everything seems easy-mode right now. |
| 00:35.18 | Torhal | Hah |
| 00:36.25 | Dagmar | I should really just go ahead and order some parts from Digikey to convert one of my USB hubs into an sdcard storage/raid unit |
| 00:36.30 | Dagmar | I've got nine of the damn things |
| 00:37.04 | Dagmar | That most of the microSD card slots are spring-ejecting just seems malicious now. |
| 00:37.50 | Dagmar | "Hey look Mom, now I can lose the entire contents of the Library of Congress in the couch cushions faster than ever!" |
| 00:40.18 | Vlad| | Torhal are you ingame? |
| 00:40.44 | Vlad| | sorry for the brutal macro coding but this should prove my point :P |
| 00:41.31 | Torhal | I am. |
| 00:43.31 | Killa778 | im so happy |
| 00:43.33 | Killa778 | :D |
| 00:43.37 | Killa778 | My addon works.. u have no idea |
| 00:44.02 | Vlad| | Engineering, Jewelcrafting, Leatherworking and Tailoring |
| 00:44.04 | Vlad| | http://pastebin.com/gfpFW2zU |
| 00:44.14 | Vlad| | those professions, for me, don't display properly in the default tradeskil frame ;) |
| 00:44.20 | Vlad| | grats Killa |
| 00:45.37 | Vlad| | it's a bit weird, it loads sometimes, sometimes it's a bit buggy :P lol |
| 00:46.25 | Vlad| | if I apply filters on tailoring atm the recipes are weird, not showing the right once ^^ |
| 00:46.55 | Torhal | You're doing something wrong, then. I can look at the entire list of Inscription, Jewelcrafting, whatever, and navigate just fine. |
| 00:47.06 | Vlad| | with the macros on my paste? |
| 00:47.35 | Vlad| | difference is my macros flag all recipes as known, I think there is an overflow of recipes going on :P |
| 00:48.33 | Torhal | No idea - don't feel like translating macro-ese. |
| 00:48.38 | Vlad| | -_- |
| 00:48.44 | Vlad| | I just wanted you to copy paste into your game |
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| 00:48.55 | Vlad| | and click each one to see if it appears properly with categores and all :P |
| 00:48.58 | Vlad| | categories* |
| 00:48.59 | Torhal | Kinda pointless when I don't even know what the code is doing :) |
| 00:49.14 | Vlad| | it creates a link that you can link |
| 00:49.23 | Vlad| | it uses the linking system to link your profession |
| 00:50.15 | Torhal | Works for me (Alchemy at least) |
| 00:50.27 | Vlad| | profession spells have a second returned value when using GetSpellLink like /dump GetSpellLink(75156) returns your current trade link for Tailoring regardless if you got it or not. (Alchemy works for me too.) |
| 00:51.04 | Vlad| | point is the number of characters (AAAA... if skill is not nown) if you turn them all into / it's the maximum value so it will make the trade skill show all recipes regarding that profession. |
| 00:51.38 | Vlad| | sorry for weird english :P |
| 00:52.09 | Vlad| | but all it does is it looks up this special hyperlink and replaces the existing recipe "flags" with the max values and makes a link hehe |
| 00:53.18 | Vlad| | the thing is I guess there is some weird things going on when the recipes are too many, like http://i.imgur.com/7JUMS.jpg |
| 00:53.38 | Vlad| | you see I select a filter but the list is not obeying, hehe :P it also breaks searching and such. |
| 00:53.47 | Vlad| | there are no categories/headers either |
| 00:54.34 | Vlad| | no one interested in my findings? :D |
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| 00:54.55 | Vlad| | I think it's neat, saves you a lot of coding just to look up the complete recipe list for a profession ;) |
| 00:56.37 | Torhal | Not if it breaks the TradeSkillFrame |
| 00:56.46 | Torhal | Plus, you can do that by looking at the guild roster. |
| 00:57.17 | Vlad| | stricktly speaking it doesn't support showing too many recipes or such links, so what happens if I truly know all recipes and I link my profession -this bug :P |
| 01:09.41 | Semlar | can i get some help with what the different colored tracking blips refer to http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png/0a032f5649832ca9daeaeaa223a4748a.png |
| 01:09.51 | Semlar | i know the third one is enemy players |
| 01:12.25 | Torhal | Vlad|: If you look at the guild roster, there's a [View All] which shows ALL the skills for the given profession |
| 01:12.30 | Torhal | So again, you're doing something wrong. |
| 01:12.32 | Torhal | :P |
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| 01:15.36 | Vlad| | Torhal isn't that limited to the known recipes by the guild? |
| 01:15.45 | Vlad| | yes it is :P |
| 01:17.54 | Torhal | I suppose that matters if you're in a guild where people don't use tradeskills |
| 01:20.22 | Vlad| | hehe :3 |
| 01:20.49 | Vlad| | all I am saying is the trade skill has to be fixed to support more recipes at once |
| 01:21.09 | Vlad| | it has to be anyway, at some point we will have too many recipes than the current system can handle :P |
| 01:21.39 | Torhal | It's just a ScrollFrame. |
| 01:21.49 | Semlar | trollframe |
| 01:21.50 | Torhal | If there's a limit, someone was a retard. |
| 01:25.08 | Vlad| | thing is all the links contain is a table of 1 and 0 in binary format |
| 01:25.25 | Vlad| | compared to the complete table or something, where there is 1 the recipe is in the log, otherwise 0 for not |
| 01:25.30 | Vlad| | example |
| 01:26.43 | Vlad| | tailoring has 93 characters, max value is / that is 47 so 101111 (don't ask what the 0 is :P) so apparently 558 bits |
| 01:26.56 | Vlad| | A is the lowest value |
| 01:27.07 | Vlad| | maybe the internal indexes are different, hmm, not sure. |
| 01:27.37 | Vlad| | in any case if you start with 93 'A' |
| 01:27.55 | Vlad| | and swap the leading A with a /, each iteration adds more recipes and at some point it's too much for the UI to handle :P |
| 01:28.39 | Torhal | So we're back to "you're doing something wrong". |
| 01:28.44 | Vlad| | well |
| 01:28.56 | Vlad| | it was all okay until the expansion came with more recipes |
| 01:28.57 | Vlad| | :P |
| 01:29.13 | Vlad| | by all means play with it yourself, I am just sharing what I figured out, what worked earlier |
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| 01:30.36 | Torhal | They likely changed the format - they've done that in the past. |
| 01:32.08 | Vlad| | don't know, works fine with other professions with less recipes |
| 01:32.14 | Vlad| | that's what annoys |
| 01:32.23 | Vlad| | if the format was wrong it shouldn't work at all |
| 01:33.32 | Mr_Rabies | just realized i'm now the only melee dps in my raid :X |
| 01:37.13 | Vlad| | Torhal the UI bugs but /dump GetNumTradeSkills() suggests there are 464 tailoring recipes while if I use the lowest value I found that works fine with the UI it shows 303 :P |
| 01:37.48 | Torhal | Why are you arguing with me about this anyway? I don't even care :P |
| 01:37.51 | Vlad| | no |
| 01:37.54 | Vlad| | I am not arguing |
| 01:38.03 | Vlad| | just trying to tell you it's most likely a UI bug based on what I find :P |
| 01:38.14 | Vlad| | and not my fault for writing the link the wrong way :P |
| 01:39.16 | Vlad| | besides I hoped it would interest you, since you have ARL and it could maybe benefit of knowing all recipes in the game trough API? :P |
| 01:39.38 | Torhal | ARL says 479 Tailoring. |
| 01:40.58 | Vlad| | but crawled wowhead? |
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| 01:41.25 | Vlad| | don't know, just curious :3 |
| 01:41.33 | Torhal | Years ago. |
| 01:41.49 | Torhal | Now I just walk up to a trainer/vendor to get info, and use the guild roster. |
| 01:42.32 | pompy | yeah i believe torhal made it autoadd recipes not found in arl that are in the scanned tradeskill |
| 01:42.43 | Torhal | Indeed. |
| 01:43.47 | Vlad| | ah more valuable info on the mater :P http://www.wowpedia.org/TradeSkillLink |
| 01:43.55 | Vlad| | base64 that explains it |
| 01:44.02 | Torhal | Like I said. |
| 01:44.03 | Torhal | :P |
| 01:44.13 | Vlad| | but still |
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| 02:04.22 | Vlad| | if I have 553 bits (1 or 0) how can I easily convert that into base64? hmm |
| 02:04.23 | Vlad| | :P |
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| 02:18.30 | Neffi | Silvershard Mines brings up so many horrors from AB |
| 02:26.16 | Neffi | Blink + Dwarven AH |
| 02:26.28 | Neffi | Glyph of Momentum may be required |
| 02:26.35 | Vlad| | torhal there are 544 recipes for tailoring atm getting up to 521, gonna continue to figure this out tomorrow :D |
| 02:26.58 | Vlad| | I'll report to you if I get more valuable intel on the matter |
| 02:27.02 | Torhal | Vlad|: Well, I'm also not seeing Alliance-only stuff |
| 02:27.10 | Vlad| | it will be mixed yes |
| 02:46.35 | Neffi | lol @ people trying to charge 3k for a gnomish army knife |
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| 03:02.28 | Adys | I'm literally corpsecamping this guy in pet battle pvp. |
| 03:02.36 | Adys | as soon as his pets respawn |
| 03:02.39 | Adys | i get him again and bam. |
| 03:02.53 | Seerah | tsk tsk... that's not nice... |
| 03:06.35 | Adys | 10 wins in a row |
| 03:06.41 | Adys | cycling between two different opponents |
| 03:10.25 | Adys | haha |
| 03:10.30 | Adys | he fled on start now |
| 03:35.39 | Killa778 | fuck yea! guild just downed 1/6 HM on 25 man MV |
| 03:35.40 | Killa778 | :D |
| 03:35.43 | Killa778 | 2nd on server to do it |
| 03:40.37 | Cairenn | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 03:40.56 | Cairenn | Pizza Hut has introduced a new stuffed crust pizza - stuffed with hotdogs |
| 03:42.32 | Iriel | Sounds pretty unpleasant |
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| 03:44.05 | Thunder_Child | Not new for here |
| 03:58.09 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: ping |
| 04:01.15 | Ackis | pong Arrowmaster |
| 04:05.22 | Arrowmaster | can you get on your xbox at some point and help me with an achievement |
| 04:05.28 | Arrowmaster | you have kingdom for keflings right |
| 04:08.39 | Ackis | I think so |
| 04:09.51 | Arrowmaster | i got bored and finally played it and got all but one achievement today |
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| 04:37.41 | Adys | Cairenn: yeah they did that in the UK a few weeks back |
| 04:37.50 | Adys | Cairenn: I actually had a slice of that, its .. bad |
| 04:37.59 | Cairenn | ewwwwww |
| 04:39.06 | Adys | Cairenn: it was my understanding that americans were pissed off because it was a UK-only thing :P |
| 04:39.31 | Cairenn | No idea why |
| 04:39.37 | Thunder_Child | I agree |
| 04:39.44 | Thunder_Child | That's vomit inducing |
| 04:43.44 | Kaylin | pizza hut in general is pretty bad |
| 04:44.20 | Adys | why? |
| 04:44.23 | Adys | its excellent here in the UK |
| 04:44.30 | Adys | at least in leicester.. wasnt too good in bristol |
| 04:44.36 | Kaylin | it tastes like grease and salt here =/ |
| 04:44.57 | Adys | which country? |
| 04:45.02 | Kaylin | us |
| 04:45.12 | Adys | isnt that what you guys eat? |
| 04:45.23 | Kaylin | >_> |
| 04:47.48 | Adys | they're really good here tho |
| 04:47.56 | Adys | they're the same as dominos really |
| 04:48.16 | Adys | and jesus fiskered hell is pizza expensive in the uk |
| 05:00.15 | karl_w_w | dominos is better than pizza hut here |
| 05:00.44 | karl_w_w | they're passable quality, while pizza hut just skimp on toppings |
| 05:01.37 | n00bwork | but pizza hut has cheesy crust |
| 05:01.53 | karl_w_w | and they're cheaper, you can get as low as $5 for a pick-up pizza |
| 05:06.29 | karl_w_w | <n00bwork> but pizza hut has cheesy crust <- so does dominos :P but dominos also has a puff pasty crust |
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| 05:36.09 | n00bwork | karl_w_w: sorry i meant stuffed crust :P |
| 05:36.35 | karl_w_w | yeah I know http://www.dominos.com.au/menu/crusts/ |
| 05:37.21 | jnwhiteh | pizza hut reconstitutes their frozen pizza dough with oil |
| 05:37.27 | jnwhiteh | they lost me when I saw that |
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| 05:47.05 | karl_w_w | Which musician can you find in ICC? |
| 05:47.06 | karl_w_w | The Arthas formerly known as Prince. |
| 05:49.49 | Adys | jnwhiteh: dominos stopped doing both anchovies and feta cheese here |
| 05:49.52 | Adys | im fucking pissed |
| 05:50.08 | jnwhiteh | anchovies =( |
| 05:50.13 | Adys | its like people dont know how to make pizzas anymore |
| 05:50.21 | jnwhiteh | go to Ialy? |
| 05:50.28 | jnwhiteh | capers and anchovies everywhar! |
| 05:50.42 | Adys | i dont actually enjoy capers on pizzas that much but now you mention it |
| 05:51.28 | karl_w_w | i dont like anchovies on pizza :P |
| 05:51.54 | Adys | dont get me wrong, i totally get that some people dont like it |
| 05:52.04 | Adys | but its just something you *do* |
| 05:52.14 | karl_w_w | i like meat cheese and meat, and maybe some minor players such as mushrooms or onion |
| 05:52.47 | Adys | id get mushrooms every time if it didnt cost my left eye |
| 05:53.01 | Adys | i mean fuck |
| 05:53.10 | karl_w_w | anchovies aren't too bad, the worst thing on a pizza is pineapple |
| 05:53.11 | Adys | like £2 to get just about half a mushroom on it |
| 05:53.27 | Adys | i really dislike pineapple on pizza but again, its something you do |
| 05:53.32 | Adys | you offer it |
| 05:53.33 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 05:54.11 | karl_w_w | it's like not offering pepperoni |
| 05:54.28 | Adys | exactly |
| 05:54.44 | Adys | actually thanks to pizza hut i found out i wasnt allergic to green pepper anymore |
| 05:54.54 | Adys | they messed up my order |
| 05:55.03 | Adys | but that was delicious |
| 05:55.39 | Adys | well shit |
| 05:55.41 | Adys | now I want pizza |
| 05:57.47 | Adys | tho Im gonna try something new next time I get some; see if theres someone who figured out that you should offer more than just mozarella as cheese |
| 05:57.49 | Adys | i mean fuck |
| 05:58.19 | Adys | dominos used to offer like 5 different types of cheese and now nothing =( Im angry. |
| 06:01.18 | Dagmar | They have like a five cheese pizza |
| 06:02.08 | Adys | Dagmar: not anymore |
| 06:02.12 | Adys | (here that is) |
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| 06:03.11 | Coote | Why bother witht hem anyways? Most towns/cities/etc should have a few local joints that are far better than any dominos/pizza hut/papa johns. |
| 06:03.45 | jnwhiteh | Adys: we had some amazing pizzas in iceland |
| 06:03.56 | jnwhiteh | cream cheese, mascarpone |
| 06:04.01 | jnwhiteh | feta |
| 06:04.01 | Adys | jnwhiteh: We have some of the best pizzas in france |
| 06:04.02 | jnwhiteh | halloumi |
| 06:04.17 | Adys | man dont get me started |
| 06:04.31 | Adys | we had this guy with a fire oven in his trailer, camping out of a supermarket back in Limoges |
| 06:04.40 | Adys | he made some amazing shit |
| 06:08.47 | Neffi | NYC here. All your statements are invalid. |
| 06:08.53 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 06:09.19 | jnwhiteh | i miss new york pizza =/ |
| 06:09.37 | Adys | american pizza is good but different |
| 06:09.47 | Adys | its very fast-foody |
| 06:09.53 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 06:10.31 | Coote | Adys: only if you get it from places like pizza hut or any other crappy chain. most small joints have brick ovens, and make some awesome pizzas. |
| 06:11.25 | Adys | maybe specialized italian or french pizzaiolos |
| 06:11.33 | Adys | i mean |
| 06:11.40 | Adys | sure you can have brick ovens and awesome pizzas anywhere |
| 06:11.53 | Adys | but its all about the style and what you put on it |
| 06:12.06 | Coote | 99% chance that if the name isnt dominos, pizza hut, papa johns, or little caeras, the pizza is godly. |
| 06:12.24 | Coote | *caesars |
| 06:12.44 | jnwhiteh | off to work, making it so people can pay for spotify |
| 06:12.45 | jnwhiteh | huzzah |
| 06:12.56 | Adys | im talking thin, oiled and salted crispy bread-like crust |
| 06:13.22 | Adys | fresh tomato sauce, roquefort, mozarella |
| 06:13.28 | Adys | anchovies & capers if thats your thing |
| 06:13.46 | Adys | ham & oregano otherwise |
| 06:13.55 | Adys | FML where can I get a fucking pizza |
| 06:13.56 | Coote | it might just be because I'm from NY, but we have tons of places that have stuff like that around here. |
| 06:14.10 | Adys | well admittedly i didnt visit NYC |
| 06:14.33 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 06:14.45 | Adys | only boston and the west coast, but anywhere I found pizza places there were good ones but nothing really french or really italian |
| 06:15.25 | Neffi | NY pizza ain't fast-foody, but I know exactly what you mean. Most of us don't regard American pizza as real pizza. |
| 06:15.34 | Neffi | Except people who dont live in NY or NJ |
| 06:15.39 | Adys | fair enough then |
| 06:16.57 | Neffi | French pizza? Never heard of that |
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| 06:17.17 | Neffi | I cant go 2 blocks without seeing a decent Italian place though. |
| 06:17.27 | Adys | french pizza is a lot like italian but thinner, usually more cooked and more cheeses |
| 06:17.39 | Neffi | Ah. Well our pizza is very thin. |
| 06:17.43 | Neffi | About as thin as it gets |
| 06:17.57 | Adys | thin pizza is very french-style |
| 06:18.01 | Adys | italian pizzas are thick as fuck |
| 06:18.09 | Neffi | Maybe from Italy |
| 06:18.13 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:18.32 | Coote | as good as a NY pizza is, Chicago pizzas are better, though good italian pizza is still best. |
| 06:18.32 | Neffi | But when pizza was brought to the US, it was in NYC and it was super-thin. Still is that way. |
| 06:19.13 | Adys | Neffi: the thick italian crust never took off outside of italy really |
| 06:19.31 | Adys | its the same kind you make calzones with |
| 06:19.49 | Neffi | Like a Sicilian pie? |
| 06:19.54 | Neffi | That's really popular here |
| 06:19.57 | Neffi | But a specialty |
| 06:20.16 | Neffi | We also have grandma pies at most good places and I've heard it's more Italy-style |
| 06:20.26 | Adys | yeah exactly |
| 06:21.13 | Coote | can't sleep, and all this talk of pizza is making me hungry as well >.< |
| 06:21.40 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:21.43 | Neffi | sorry =( |
| 06:21.50 | Adys | im off to make some awesome italian spaghettis |
| 06:21.54 | Adys | afk 20 mins |
| 06:22.10 | Neffi | you should get penne a la vodka |
| 06:22.13 | Neffi | it's awesome |
| 06:22.40 | Coote | looks like i'm off to get a roast beef sammich on one of those ciabatta rolls sitting on the table. |
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| 06:24.12 | Fisker | LOL |
| 06:24.16 | Adys | Neffi: Im hypersensitive to alcohol |
| 06:24.18 | Fisker | http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/24/3546774/sony-psn-hack-class-action-dismissed-order-battaglia |
| 06:24.32 | Neffi | They cook out the alcohol >_> |
| 06:24.46 | Adys | well i also dislike the taste of vodka |
| 06:24.49 | Neffi | but that's weird. i wish i was hypersensitive to alcohol. |
| 06:24.50 | Adys | but i might try it one day |
| 06:24.58 | Adys | you dont |
| 06:24.59 | Neffi | it'd make my johnnie walker habit cheaper |
| 06:25.04 | Neffi | also it doesn't taste like vodka |
| 06:25.21 | Neffi | It's thinner than normal sauce and has a slightly oily texture, but no hint of vodka flavor. |
| 06:25.27 | Neffi | Just lots of goodness |
| 06:25.37 | Adys | yeah i might try it |
| 06:25.58 | Adys | either way i have enough awesomeness and spaghettis to prepare something godly enough |
| 06:26.03 | Adys | besides its 7.30am here |
| 06:27.25 | bluspacecow | http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/10/the-new-macbook-pro-looks-just-like-a-certain-80s-film-star/ |
| 06:27.28 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 06:32.25 | Cairenn | Johnny Five is alive! |
| 06:34.13 | bluspacecow | :3 |
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| 06:43.31 | Adys | shit yeah |
| 06:43.34 | Adys | best pasta ever |
| 06:49.28 | Adys | Damn that was amazing |
| 06:50.19 | Adys | jnwhiteh: lardons, chicken, oregano, cheddar, mozzarella and an egg |
| 06:50.24 | Adys | on spaghettis that is |
| 06:50.40 | bluspacecow | *eats Adys eating it* |
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| 07:03.40 | zenzio | http://i.imgur.com/gTx6O.png |
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| 07:14.28 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 07:14.31 | Fisker | this is an outrage |
| 07:14.40 | Fisker | shops have begun shipping windows 8 |
| 07:14.58 | Fisker | eats bluspacecow |
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| 07:36.24 | karl_w_w | <Neffi> They cook out the alcohol >_> <- that's bullshit, alcohol doesn't cook out, it's a myth |
| 07:38.11 | Semlar | it does if it's on fire |
| 07:38.33 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/DUfLY.jpg |
| 07:38.49 | mitch0 | wtf |
| 07:39.26 | karl_w_w | jesus christ |
| 07:39.44 | karl_w_w | there isn't a right thing about that UI |
| 07:39.55 | Semlar | you can kinda still see the game |
| 07:40.30 | karl_w_w | it must be a deliberate piss take |
| 07:40.42 | Semlar | nope |
| 07:41.16 | karl_w_w | well I'm glad it's a DK and not some decent class |
| 07:41.48 | mitch0 | anyone here having issues with RangeDisplay getting stuck at 45yd? |
| 07:42.24 | Semlar | maybe you're always 45 yards away from your target |
| 07:42.37 | mitch0 | no ;) |
| 07:42.50 | Semlar | well i'm out of ideas |
| 07:43.48 | mitch0 | my current guess is: 1) Wrangling Rope doesn't work on some new mobs or 2) you get transferred to a new server that doesn't have the item in its cache or something and the IsItemInRange() call fails (less likely) |
| 07:44.44 | Semlar | that function works for items you don't even have? |
| 07:44.50 | mitch0 | yes |
| 07:45.05 | mitch0 | just gotta cache it first |
| 07:45.09 | karl_w_w | I use rangedisplay and havent noticed that |
| 07:46.34 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: according to a report it consistently bugs out on the adds in the Phase of the Gara'jal encounter in the Mogu'shan raid (whatever that is) |
| 07:48.47 | karl_w_w | ah he's the third boss, I've only done the first 2 |
| 07:49.17 | mitch0 | maybe I should find another 45yd range item... |
| 07:52.39 | karl_w_w | whats that item in the blasted lands quest... |
| 07:53.39 | karl_w_w | oh that's way more than 45 lol |
| 07:53.51 | karl_w_w | but if u want a 150 yard item: http://www.wowhead.com/item=57119 |
| 07:55.15 | bluspacecow | i sleepy |
| 07:55.20 | bluspacecow | *naps on karl_w_w * |
| 07:55.50 | karl_w_w | pillows |
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| 08:09.21 | Semlar | what do purple tracking icons represent |
| 08:09.34 | Semlar | i can't recall seeing them in the game |
| 08:10.28 | karl_w_w | doesnt even know what tracking icons are |
| 08:10.36 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png/0a032f5649832ca9daeaeaa223a4748a.png |
| 08:10.54 | Semlar | on the minimap, the icons that represent units |
| 08:11.00 | karl_w_w | mitch0: http://www.wowhead.com/item=23836 is 45 yards |
| 08:12.44 | karl_w_w | the light one or the dark one Semlar |
| 08:12.52 | Semlar | red is for enemies, green is for friendlies and yellow is for neutral |
| 08:13.00 | Semlar | i don't know what any of the purple ones represent |
| 08:13.13 | karl_w_w | the light one is enemies not flagged for pvp i think |
| 08:13.27 | Semlar | oo |
| 08:13.38 | Semlar | i thought they showed up as neutral? |
| 08:13.42 | karl_w_w | maybe thats the dark one :P |
| 08:13.45 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 08:14.02 | karl_w_w | the tracking colour matches the reaction colour :P |
| 08:14.25 | Semlar | oh well that simplifies it |
| 08:15.02 | Semlar | yellow border just means NPCs right |
| 08:15.07 | Semlar | the white ones are all for players |
| 08:15.08 | karl_w_w | who knows |
| 08:15.13 | Semlar | this is important! |
| 08:16.09 | karl_w_w | i think so |
| 08:16.23 | Semlar | good enough for me |
| 08:16.41 | Semlar | although i think one of the yellow things represents nodes |
| 08:16.48 | Semlar | probably the one on the second row |
| 08:18.52 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/blp2png/610951cb20acbf5b3ca345dbc938cde2.png this is the more recent one and it looks like there's actually 3 different purple icons |
| 08:18.54 | Semlar | :| |
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| 08:32.21 | Semlar | i think at one point the purple icon was used the represent your target |
| 08:33.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/E1g62.jpg this is from one of my old screenshots |
| 08:35.07 | Semlar | well either that or my pet |
| 08:35.10 | Semlar | can't really tell |
| 08:35.24 | Semlar | pet might make more sense |
| 08:35.45 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 08:42.32 | karl_w_w | Semlar: yeah light purple is your pet |
| 08:42.42 | karl_w_w | I imagine that's what the second light one is |
| 08:42.49 | karl_w_w | because that's a recent feature iirc |
| 08:43.19 | Semlar | so you think the first one is unflagged enemy players |
| 08:43.39 | karl_w_w | one of them is :P |
| 08:44.00 | karl_w_w | i can check |
| 08:44.56 | Semlar | i would but i can't really do that |
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| 08:46.19 | karl_w_w | you were right before, they show as neutral |
| 08:46.35 | karl_w_w | well, they show as neutral in sanctuaries |
| 08:46.45 | karl_w_w | goes to org to check there |
| 08:46.54 | Semlar | okay maybe the other purple one is other player's pets |
| 08:46.59 | Semlar | if they even show up |
| 08:47.38 | karl_w_w | they do, but I don't remember the colout |
| 08:47.39 | karl_w_w | colour |
| 08:48.50 | karl_w_w | ps. anybody can track humanoids |
| 08:49.10 | Semlar | oh? |
| 08:49.12 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowhead.com/item=42997 |
| 08:49.15 | Semlar | oh you mean the food |
| 08:49.35 | Semlar | i'm just on a free to play account so i can't really go anywhere |
| 08:50.08 | Semlar | otherwise i'd get on my hunter |
| 08:53.44 | karl_w_w | i think one of them is enemy pets |
| 08:54.04 | karl_w_w | like if you track undead it will show dk pets |
| 08:54.07 | karl_w_w | i know that much |
| 08:54.23 | karl_w_w | just dont remember the coloutr |
| 08:56.08 | Semlar | it's probably enemy pets |
| 08:57.38 | karl_w_w | idk what some of those other icons are though :P |
| 08:57.56 | Semlar | i know what almost all of them are |
| 08:58.18 | Semlar | i don't know what the grey diamond is unless they only use half of it |
| 08:58.33 | karl_w_w | the diamond, the last 2 on the second to last row, the horseshoe and the dot without a border |
| 08:58.34 | Semlar | and i don't know what the small yellow circle is on the bottom row |
| 08:58.43 | karl_w_w | are the ones i dont know |
| 08:59.02 | karl_w_w | oh horseshoe must be stablemaster |
| 08:59.10 | Semlar | the brick one next to the skull is the background for your targeted unit |
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| 08:59.26 | karl_w_w | ah yes |
| 08:59.30 | Semlar | i'm not sure what the circle is next to that |
| 08:59.34 | karl_w_w | focus |
| 09:00.25 | Semlar | okay so that just shows up behind your focus |
| 09:00.39 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 09:01.36 | karl_w_w | what do u think they use half the diamond for? |
| 09:02.02 | Semlar | i don't know what it represents but i do know sometimes a small grey triangle shows up next to a unit's icon on the minimap |
| 09:02.12 | Semlar | like on its top right corner |
| 09:02.20 | karl_w_w | yeah that's what I was thinking |
| 09:02.24 | nevcairiel | it indicates the vertical position |
| 09:02.28 | karl_w_w | that indicates if it's higher or lower than you |
| 09:02.36 | Semlar | oh? |
| 09:02.43 | Semlar | well then that's probably that triangle |
| 09:02.44 | karl_w_w | oh. |
| 09:02.46 | Semlar | er diamond |
| 09:03.47 | Semlar | okay so the only icon i don't know is the small yellow circle next to the creature icon |
| 09:03.55 | Semlar | and possibly the purple icon above the mail icon |
| 09:04.02 | Semlar | because it's identical to the other one |
| 09:05.13 | Semlar | the only thing i can think of is friendly pets |
| 09:05.46 | Semlar | and it might only be used when you're targeting them |
| 09:06.09 | karl_w_w | maybe it's certain npcs |
| 09:06.37 | karl_w_w | gives up |
| 09:08.52 | Semlar | i don't think so because all of the other npc icons have yellow borders |
| 09:09.10 | Semlar | and since the other pet icon is purple i'm guessing it's another player pet icon |
| 09:10.58 | Semlar | i find it very interesting that they added an indicator of relative vertical position because that isn't something you can access through the api |
| 09:13.41 | karl_w_w | Remember to take your Bag of Wu Kao Supplies! |
| 09:13.58 | Semlar | i'll do no such thing |
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| 09:20.50 | Semlar | they had to have added another tracking when they added creature tracking |
| 09:21.02 | Semlar | can you track anything with farms or something? |
| 09:21.14 | karl_w_w | farms? |
| 09:21.29 | Semlar | something related to the new farm things |
| 09:21.45 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 09:21.59 | karl_w_w | it's all in 1 place no need for tracking |
| 09:22.34 | karl_w_w | what's the icon for the dwarf thing |
| 09:22.59 | karl_w_w | apparently not dwarf |
| 09:23.26 | Semlar | the rune? |
| 09:23.40 | Semlar | which icon are you referring to |
| 09:23.43 | karl_w_w | nah isnt there a racial |
| 09:23.50 | karl_w_w | which tracks chests or something |
| 09:23.56 | Semlar | oh you mean the treasure tracking |
| 09:23.56 | karl_w_w | treasure |
| 09:23.58 | karl_w_w | yeah |
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| 09:24.05 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's identical to nodes |
| 09:24.08 | Semlar | unless they changed it |
| 09:24.28 | Semlar | just the yellow icon |
| 09:25.02 | karl_w_w | well I'm all out of ideas |
| 09:27.55 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/LkKA8.jpg the player arrow really does not go with this |
| 09:29.47 | Semlar | what do you think about the icons though |
| 09:30.19 | karl_w_w | might be better with a heavier border |
| 09:30.44 | karl_w_w | they kinda blend into each other |
| 09:30.51 | Semlar | i put a border around player icons |
| 09:31.04 | Semlar | it's pretty much the only thing to differentiate them from the npcs |
| 09:32.57 | Semlar | well, raid members get a completely different look |
| 09:33.07 | Semlar | this is just for the tracking feature |
| 09:33.55 | Semlar | the raid member icons are going to be a little complicated to design |
| 09:34.34 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9l4T2.jpg here's another shot of the same thing scaled up |
| 09:38.10 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2JhKt.jpg and this is what it looks like with the default icons |
| 09:39.54 | karl_w_w | yeah looks pretty good |
| 09:40.05 | karl_w_w | much better than default thats for sure |
| 09:40.47 | Semlar | i want to incorporate about a 40 yard radius circle around the player arrow |
| 09:41.24 | Semlar | to make it easier to gauge relative distances |
| 09:43.00 | Semlar | what do you think about just replacing the arrow with the outline of a circle with an arrow coming off of it showing your heading |
| 09:43.57 | Semlar | O> |
| 09:44.35 | karl_w_w | so i have this lovely big potato that im gonna bake, but i cant decide what im gonna put on it |
| 09:44.45 | Semlar | more potatoes |
| 09:45.11 | karl_w_w | i have a slice of bacon but i cant be bothered cooking it :P |
| 09:45.28 | Semlar | i think you can wrap it in a paper towel and nuke it in the microwave |
| 09:45.39 | Semlar | i can't say i've ever done it myself |
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| 09:46.23 | karl_w_w | you can, they turn out pretty well |
| 09:46.26 | karl_w_w | but oven is nicer |
| 09:46.28 | harl | wuff! |
| 09:46.33 | karl_w_w | aroo |
| 09:46.44 | Semlar | womp |
| 09:50.12 | Semlar | it's a little difficult to tell whether units are inside or outside like this |
| 09:50.41 | Semlar | i'm not sure how much i should care |
| 09:59.20 | karl_w_w | awesome, potato is so big i had to take a shelf out of the oven to fit it in |
| 09:59.34 | Semlar | are you sure that's a potato |
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| 10:05.16 | karl_w_w | no I'm not Semlar |
| 10:05.25 | karl_w_w | we'll have to see when it's done |
| 10:08.14 | Semlar | you may be in over your head |
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| 10:09.56 | karl_w_w | it may be a baby's head! |
| 10:11.48 | Semlar | i know how that is |
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| 10:40.01 | Semlar | my eyes are itchy |
| 10:40.44 | Maldivia | try not to scratch them out then |
| 10:41.03 | Semlar | but i want to |
| 10:41.59 | bluspacecow | ok |
| 10:42.06 | bluspacecow | *takes semlar's eyes out* |
| 10:42.10 | bluspacecow | *polishes them* |
| 10:42.15 | bluspacecow | *puts them back in* |
| 10:42.22 | Semlar | thx |
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| 10:54.18 | karl_w_w | <bluspacecow> *polishes them* <- instantly reminded of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoAhWAfhfQ4 |
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| 11:32.23 | Fisker | sigh |
| 11:32.33 | Fisker | http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1114425-eu-finds-that-microsoft-has-failed-to-comply-with-its-browser-choice-commitments/ |
| 11:33.32 | zenzio | oh for the love of... |
| 11:33.44 | zenzio | stop being so stupid, EU |
| 11:34.38 | nevcairiel | did you read the energy efficiency rules they want to put onto PC components, pretty much limiting the future performance of GPUs? |
| 11:34.47 | Kalroth | yes that was FUD |
| 11:35.00 | Kalroth | the rules only apply for idle devices |
| 11:35.07 | Kalroth | not devices in use |
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| 11:39.07 | Fisker | it was FUD as fuck |
| 11:39.33 | Fisker | especially the bandwitdh part |
| 11:39.41 | Fisker | it wasn't no devices over 128GB wasn't allowed |
| 11:40.13 | Fisker | s/128GB/128GBps bandwitdh/ |
| 11:40.17 | Fisker | or was it Gbit? |
| 11:40.18 | Fisker | idk |
| 11:40.20 | Fisker | anyway |
| 11:40.39 | Fisker | it was simply that any device over that would be classified the same as 128GBps versions |
| 11:41.14 | Fisker | The Browser complaint have always been stupid |
| 11:41.22 | Fisker | thanks a lot haste |
| 11:41.48 | karl_w_w | the trick, william potter, is not minding that it hurts |
| 11:42.21 | Fisker | I really wish that Microsoft had went with the Windows 7 E route |
| 11:42.25 | Fisker | i.e. Windows without IE |
| 11:42.45 | nevcairiel | and what do i then use to download chrome? |
| 11:42.46 | Fisker | and then they would put the support number for any copies of Windows 7 E directly to the EC |
| 11:42.53 | Fisker | nothing nevcairiel |
| 11:43.09 | Fisker | you simply don't use the internet or several integrated components |
| 11:43.30 | nevcairiel | IE9/10 isn't all that horrible as it used to be anyway |
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| 11:44.02 | Kalroth | IE9/10 is fine, thats not the point |
| 11:44.11 | Fisker | nothing is the point |
| 11:44.20 | Kalroth | you're the point then! |
| 11:44.38 | Fisker | i present to you, the point: |
| 11:44.39 | nevcairiel | he is more of a blob |
| 11:44.40 | Fisker | http://xkcd.com/1118/ |
| 11:44.49 | karl_w_w | i.e. Windows without IE is just .. Windows |
| 11:45.06 | nevcairiel | Windows doesnt really work too well without the IE |
| 11:45.09 | Kalroth | yes, like it says on the package |
| 11:45.20 | Kalroth | im sure Microsoft could make it work, nev |
| 11:46.17 | Kalroth | personally i think MSIE should be an external product, just like MSE and Office and other Microsoft products |
| 11:46.34 | Kalroth | maybe then i wouldn't have to worry about lazy ass companies stuck on MSIE 5.5 |
| 11:46.38 | Fisker | and Media Player |
| 11:46.40 | Fisker | and Calculator |
| 11:46.41 | Fisker | and notepad |
| 11:46.42 | Fisker | and wordpad |
| 11:46.43 | Kalroth | yes |
| 11:46.46 | Fisker | no |
| 11:46.48 | nevcairiel | inb4 someone sues MS for bundling Windows RT with Office RT |
| 11:46.50 | Fisker | operating system |
| 11:46.56 | Fisker | not windows desktop and a shell |
| 11:47.00 | Semlar | i have zero problem with microsoft bundling their browser with their operating system |
| 11:47.12 | Kalroth | "An operating system (OS) is a collection of software that manages computer hardware resources and provides common services for computer programs." |
| 11:47.21 | nevcairiel | only Opera had the problem, because noone uses their shitty browser |
| 11:47.25 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 11:47.45 | Fisker | tell that to ubuntu Kalroth |
| 11:47.45 | Kalroth | i think microsoft should bundle all their software with windows |
| 11:47.53 | Fisker | or any other linux distrobution |
| 11:47.59 | Kalroth | and come with protection against other software |
| 11:48.11 | Fisker | I don't |
| 11:48.17 | Fisker | Luckily that's not what we're talking about though |
| 11:48.21 | Kalroth | "WARNING: You're trying to install Chrome. It is NOT a Microsoft product, are you sure???" |
| 11:48.38 | Fisker | WARNING: Kalroth worked for Opera |
| 11:48.55 | Kalroth | I don't care about Opera, but good strawman bro! |
| 11:49.13 | Fisker | how are the kickbacks? |
| 11:49.37 | Kalroth | I get about $5 for every 1 million Opera users, so very poor so far |
| 11:49.58 | Kalroth | now the google kickbacks on the other hand |
| 11:50.11 | Kalroth | big bux, considering all the spyware in chrome |
| 11:51.11 | Fisker | man that was a dumb deal Kalroth |
| 11:51.55 | Kalroth | hey fisker did you see the new AMD cpu |
| 11:52.08 | Kalroth | its pretty good if you got extra power you want to get rid off |
| 11:52.22 | Fisker | ok |
| 11:52.34 | Kalroth | i asked you a question, sir |
| 11:52.35 | Fisker | just gonna go read something on the internet in everything else but opera since opera is shit |
| 11:52.39 | Fisker | you did not |
| 11:52.49 | Kalroth | i didnt |
| 11:53.11 | nevcairiel | AMD has lost the cpu game, so who cares |
| 11:53.17 | Kalroth | Fisker: and opera is shit, it's the second worst browser |
| 11:53.27 | Kalroth | only beaten by chrome |
| 11:53.49 | Kalroth | nevcairiel: they've given up on the desktop market |
| 11:54.10 | Kalroth | surely it means that intel will lower their prices, now that there's no competitors to worry about |
| 11:54.15 | Semlar | spyware? |
| 11:54.24 | Kalroth | yes |
| 11:54.42 | nevcairiel | AMDs CPUs arent all that good in the mobile market |
| 11:54.46 | Fisker | no it's like this: Chrome > IE7+ > IE6 SP1 > Firefox > IE6 > text-based webbrowsers > telnet > Opera |
| 11:54.52 | nevcairiel | people only use them because of the better gpu |
| 11:54.58 | Kalroth | their APUs are okay, at least for small devices |
| 11:55.03 | Kalroth | like HTPC and netbooks |
| 11:55.18 | nevcairiel | if intel can pimp their GPU even more with haswell, they will take over there as well |
| 11:55.27 | nevcairiel | just because its so f'ing efficient on power |
| 11:56.04 | Fisker | had they not gone for short-term moneygrab they might still have been in the game LOL |
| 11:56.05 | Kalroth | HD4000 isn't bad, it's just miles behind the embedded radeons |
| 11:56.06 | Vlad| | Torhal I made the proper list of spells and all and made a valid base64 string, but the UI does not show all the spells... and GetNumTradeSkills says 536 for tailoring while the list is supposed to have 544 spells :/ |
| 11:56.22 | Vlad| | it gotta be a UI issue at this point, considering the string is correct :'( |
| 11:58.56 | Maldivia | tradeskill lonks? |
| 11:58.57 | Maldivia | links* |
| 12:01.25 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 12:01.32 | Vlad| | hey Maldivia :D |
| 12:01.37 | Vlad| | lol what a coincidense :P |
| 12:01.51 | Vlad| | I saw your base64 lib and borrowed it to test some code :D |
| 12:02.35 | Vlad| | before I simply replaces all the characters in a tradelink to / but it appears I should be more specific and use the skills in the dbc and such, so I did, but still getting issues :P |
| 12:03.14 | Vlad| | if pastebin wasn't under heavy lod I'd link :P |
| 12:03.15 | Vlad| | load* |
| 12:03.32 | Maldivia | remember that the actually skills are also in the list (like journeyman, master, zen master etc) |
| 12:03.40 | Maldivia | which wont show up when you pop up the dialog |
| 12:03.49 | Vlad| | ye |
| 12:04.01 | Maldivia | which could be the difference in numbers you're seeing |
| 12:04.05 | Vlad| | do I really need to "blacklist" those? |
| 12:04.17 | Vlad| | or just what ever and set their bit to 1 :P |
| 12:04.24 | Vlad| | not sure how the game itself does it |
| 12:04.38 | Maldivia | well, the game ignores them when showing the dialog |
| 12:04.45 | Maldivia | as far as I remember |
| 12:04.47 | Vlad| | ok so it doesn't mater kind of |
| 12:04.50 | Vlad| | yeah it does :) |
| 12:04.54 | Vlad| | http://www.curseforge.com/paste/jfxk0p84tawyvos6/ |
| 12:04.56 | Vlad| | take a peak |
| 12:05.38 | Maldivia | look a lot like what I was doing back when :) |
| 12:06.39 | Maldivia | I stopped playing back then, so didn't really bother keeping the list up to date, since it was patch specific, and there was really no way to generate the list in game |
| 12:06.43 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 12:06.44 | Vlad| | I know |
| 12:06.49 | Vlad| | well |
| 12:06.59 | Vlad| | thing is it doesn't mater if you just wanna make a list of all spells |
| 12:07.15 | Vlad| | can do the old count from a high number down, brute force generating links and trying to see if they are valid lol |
| 12:07.41 | Maldivia | heh |
| 12:08.06 | Vlad| | 542 recipes |
| 12:08.08 | Vlad| | but the UI bugs |
| 12:08.10 | Vlad| | -_- |
| 12:08.24 | Vlad| | blacksmithing shows up fine |
| 12:08.37 | Vlad| | and it has 702 ... lol |
| 12:08.58 | Vlad| | so I must be something weird with tailoring one, hmm |
| 12:09.09 | Vlad| | thing is, it is supposed to fail silently if the link is invalid |
| 12:09.21 | Vlad| | yet I am seeing results where the UI bugs because of some link issue apparently, but no fail |
| 12:10.43 | Vlad| | seeing that JC, Eng and Tail fail visually, damn you! |
| 12:11.08 | Maldivia | what are you trying to accomplice? |
| 12:11.13 | Maldivia | just seeing all recipees, or? |
| 12:11.33 | Vlad| | yes |
| 12:11.34 | Vlad| | :P |
| 12:11.39 | Vlad| | just that |
| 12:11.59 | Vlad| | shouldn't be too hard, right :P |
| 12:14.07 | Maldivia | probably not :) |
| 12:14.20 | Maldivia | these days I just use the Guild Prof system in stead :) |
| 12:14.46 | Vlad| | :p |
| 12:14.50 | Maldivia | if you're in a big enough guild, chances are that most if not all recipees are there |
| 12:14.59 | Vlad| | yeah but I was thinking in the situation where recipes are not known too |
| 12:15.05 | Vlad| | yeah ofc, but not all are :D |
| 12:15.12 | Vlad| | or if you login your bank alt, so forth |
| 12:15.19 | Maldivia | true |
| 12:15.29 | Maldivia | it's just a pita to keep the list up to date |
| 12:15.34 | Vlad| | yeah |
| 12:15.37 | Vlad| | but can avoid that |
| 12:15.42 | Vlad| | with brute force :P |
| 12:16.12 | Maldivia | luckily I had scripts to extract the dbc files and generate the addon files for me:) |
| 12:17.02 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2JhKt.jpg |
| 12:18.20 | Semlar | blip blip |
| 12:19.08 | Vlad| | yeah I got that too :3 |
| 12:19.10 | Vlad| | nice Semlar |
| 12:19.24 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/9l4T2.jpg |
| 12:19.33 | Vlad| | but I am trying to be independent of external need of libs :P |
| 12:19.47 | Semlar | you think those look alright |
| 12:19.49 | Vlad| | it's good, more easy to spot things :) |
| 12:20.07 | Vlad| | does the blips support mouse over tooltips? |
| 12:20.12 | Vlad| | is it just texture edit or? |
| 12:20.33 | Semlar | your tooltip would still just have a bunch of guys on it |
| 12:21.25 | Semlar | can't change how that works |
| 12:23.55 | Semlar | i haven't decided what i'm going to do with the player arrow but i don't like the way it looks |
| 12:25.58 | Vlad| | ye I know |
| 12:26.09 | sintAcks | points Semlar at Maldivia |
| 12:26.17 | Semlar | you put me down |
| 12:26.45 | sintAcks | moves Maldivia down so that Semlar is pointing down |
| 12:26.55 | Semlar | :( |
| 12:27.12 | Vlad| | Maldivia: :'( |
| 12:27.29 | Vlad| | I am letting it be for now, it's just annoying lol! |
| 12:28.08 | Semlar | maybe i could have a line extending out from the center of the minimap in the direction you're facing with lines on it to indicate ranges |
| 12:29.52 | Vlad| | :o |
| 12:29.57 | Maldivia | Vlad|: heh |
| 12:30.02 | Vlad| | doesn't that go into the plugin folder, Semlar? :D |
| 12:30.12 | Semlar | maybe |
| 12:30.17 | Maldivia | Semlar: just enable rotation minimap, and remove the player arow ? :) |
| 12:30.36 | Vlad| | it's just, I wish they'd have a flag to show all recipes, hehe :P we can spoof the links anyway |
| 12:30.46 | Semlar | i was thinking about just having the arrow ride around the rim of the minimap while it was stationary |
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| 13:16.26 | Fisker | :O Stanzilla |
| 13:16.32 | Fisker | after an update to the music app i can buy music |
| 13:16.33 | Fisker | mad? |
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| 13:29.31 | Stanzilla | hax |
| 13:31.24 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I get a huge add for the skype app but cant download it |
| 13:31.26 | Stanzilla | mighty tease |
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| 13:40.15 | Fisker | i would never skype |
| 13:40.34 | Fisker | the music app is shitty though |
| 13:40.45 | Fisker | when i alt-tab into the desktop it almost mutes itself |
| 13:40.55 | Fisker | kinda like when you use ventrilo and shit and it lowers volume |
| 13:41.01 | Fisker | i just don't have that enabled |
| 13:41.09 | Fisker | not to mention it has no seperate volume |
| 13:41.13 | bluspacecow | mad? |
| 13:41.32 | Fisker | not really since it's useless |
| 13:41.37 | Stanzilla | Fisker: I can buy stuff btw |
| 13:41.45 | Fisker | i can as well |
| 13:41.51 | Fisker | have been able to for a while |
| 13:42.08 | Fisker | it was just that the apps weren't available here |
| 13:42.13 | Fisker | and some were well hidden |
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| 14:47.35 | karl_w_w | why is my bartender bar 7 mirroring bar 1? |
| 14:48.56 | Maldivia | stance? |
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| 14:50.11 | karl_w_w | i dont follow |
| 14:50.46 | Maldivia | if any stance/form triggers are set, and if you are in a stance/form |
| 14:53.45 | karl_w_w | i am in a stance, but state config is disabled for bar 7 |
| 14:54.33 | karl_w_w | ah but not bar 1 |
| 14:54.46 | karl_w_w | why does it use page 7 instead of page 1 o.O |
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| 15:00.50 | Maldivia | because that's the default from Blizzard |
| 15:01.19 | karl_w_w | Jamash: i dinged level 10 and when i picked my spec learningaid did nothing in chat (no supress of skill spam and no telling me what I learnt) then when i dinged 11 - Learning Aid: You have learned [Fists of Fury]. |
| 15:01.34 | foxlit | Hm, odd. It's reset day, and I still have Valor of the Ancients |
| 15:18.24 | nevcairiel | that bugs out sometimes |
| 15:18.44 | nevcairiel | some people said they even got it on their mains |
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| 15:31.27 | zenzelezz | Shirik, you spammer you |
| 15:31.56 | TC-Work | And his pants are too short |
| 15:32.26 | Shirik | my pants? |
| 15:32.43 | TC-Work | " has quit (Excess Flood)" |
| 15:35.14 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.17 | bluspacecow | hi2u! |
| 15:37.17 | Shirik | hihi |
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| 16:09.08 | Vlad| | lol srsly? |
| 16:09.16 | Vlad| | that's too much gold for that helm tbh :3 |
| 16:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | well it is 450 at 85 |
| 16:10.10 | F16Gaming | people pay crazy amounts for the slighest of upgrades |
| 16:10.14 | F16Gaming | slightest* |
| 16:10.31 | F16Gaming | others spend weeks farming the first boss in shado-pan monastery..... |
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| 16:30.47 | Ressy | Lesser Charms are being converted to currency in 5.1! |
| 16:31.05 | Ressy | GC just announced on twitter about a min ago |
| 16:31.43 | Mr_Rabies | will they be converted to something useful as well? :( |
| 16:31.52 | bluspacecow | LOL! |
| 16:31.54 | Ressy | They won't be taking up bag space anymore. |
| 16:32.12 | Mr_Rabies | you should at least be able to trade in 90 or so for a spirit of harmony or something |
| 16:34.11 | Ressy | nods |
| 16:34.30 | Ressy | I've got 4 weeks worth sitting waiting to be used. |
| 16:34.41 | Ressy | After missing several days worth of dailies |
| 16:34.52 | Ressy | and just stopping serpent after I got exalted. :\ |
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| 16:46.19 | n00bwork | question about tooltips - i'm adding a tooltip line to inventory mouseover but the tooltips from other addons are too close, in some cases the text of the row above & below are touching each other. any idea why this is? |
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| 16:58.16 | Mr_Rabies | http://mibclan.chez.com/graphics/pictures/team_deathsh.jpg |
| 16:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | ghostcrawler throwin' up dem gang signs |
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| 17:04.38 | Semlar | n00bwork you might have to call tooltip:Show() to get it to redraw |
| 17:05.53 | Semlar | not sure if that'll help that particular issue but it's worth a try |
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| 17:08.07 | n00bwork | Semlar: i have the tooltip:Show in my code, but because my addon runs first i don't know that i can control what happens down the line |
| 17:08.32 | Semlar | you could if you have to but you shouldn't need to |
| 17:09.10 | Semlar | is it only specific addons or situations that are causing the problem? |
| 17:09.31 | n00bwork | well i can cause it inside of my own code too, strangely enough |
| 17:09.46 | n00bwork | i saw the issue when i mixed a tooltip:AddLine with a following tooltip:AddDoubleLine |
| 17:09.52 | n00bwork | the lines were too close together |
| 17:09.59 | n00bwork | changing them both to AddDoubleLine fixed it |
| 17:10.17 | n00bwork | so i'm wondering if this is a result of something similar |
| 17:12.02 | Semlar | hm |
| 17:12.22 | Semlar | is there any reason not to just use doubline then |
| 17:12.59 | Semlar | i think the only difference is addline only creates a TextLeft |
| 17:13.23 | n00bwork | right - i want a doubleline anyways |
| 17:13.45 | n00bwork | but bagnon's tooltip is getting cozy with mine :p |
| 17:13.53 | n00bwork | and i don't want tooltip babies |
| 17:14.10 | Dark_Elf | can addline " " to insert a blank line |
| 17:14.15 | Semlar | better use protection |
| 17:14.39 | n00bwork | that's what i was thinking, Dark_Elf - i just didn't want to have to do something like that if i didn't have to |
| 17:15.02 | Dark_Elf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.11 | n00bwork | \n you mean? |
| 17:15.18 | n00bwork | or is /n something special too? |
| 17:15.20 | Semlar | that seems odd, i've used tooltips in the past and i can't recall running into this |
| 17:15.22 | Dark_Elf | yeah i get the slash messed |
| 17:15.26 | n00bwork | :) |
| 17:15.48 | Semlar | and if there's a bug it definitely seems like i'd manage to find it |
| 17:15.58 | Semlar | lord knows i break everything |
| 17:16.03 | Dark_Elf | or do like tiny tip and make a new tip on old tip |
| 17:16.55 | Dark_Elf | except instead of anchoring to bottom of tip put anchor on right of tip |
| 17:17.28 | n00bwork | http://i.imgur.com/5mXXf.jpg |
| 17:17.32 | n00bwork | that's what it looks like |
| 17:17.41 | n00bwork | that's even with the spacing |
| 17:17.49 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/5bAcq.jpg yeah i managed to make this monstrosity without issue |
| 17:18.16 | Dark_Elf | ouch |
| 17:18.47 | n00bwork | that's.. one big tooltip :p |
| 17:18.56 | Semlar | yeah.. it is.. |
| 17:19.02 | n00bwork | anyways |
| 17:19.13 | Dark_Elf | i use to have a tooltip that stretched from top of screen to bottom of screen |
| 17:19.34 | Dark_Elf | and it still didnt show all the stuff |
| 17:20.14 | Dark_Elf | could always try using a qtip lol |
| 17:20.48 | Semlar | well wait a minute are you trying to use addline to put something on the right side of the tooltip? |
| 17:21.11 | n00bwork | no, AddDoubleLine |
| 17:21.14 | karl_w_w | doing dailies in vale |
| 17:21.16 | n00bwork | left is nil right is content |
| 17:21.21 | Semlar | left can't be nil |
| 17:21.24 | n00bwork | ahh. |
| 17:21.30 | karl_w_w | and me and my whole group who were in different places, got shot way up in the air |
| 17:21.33 | n00bwork | but it can be a blank string |
| 17:21.34 | karl_w_w | like miles and miles |
| 17:21.36 | karl_w_w | wtf is that |
| 17:21.37 | Semlar | it can be blank |
| 17:21.48 | Semlar | are you using an actual nil value? |
| 17:21.52 | n00bwork | yes >_< |
| 17:21.55 | n00bwork | i was using nil |
| 17:22.00 | Semlar | does it work with a blank string? |
| 17:22.02 | n00bwork | i'll admit i've never written a WoW addon before |
| 17:22.16 | n00bwork | yep. |
| 17:22.16 | Semlar | i think that's probably the issue |
| 17:22.18 | n00bwork | it does indeed |
| 17:22.18 | Dark_Elf | you can also do addline n00bwook1..n00bwork2 |
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| 17:22.27 | n00bwork | that was it |
| 17:22.46 | n00bwork | interesting bug nonetheless |
| 17:22.54 | n00bwork | i wonder why it formats so strangely or doesn't throw an error |
| 17:23.12 | Semlar | i think it isn't creating something |
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| 17:23.44 | n00bwork | yeah probably |
| 17:23.49 | Semlar | the right text field probably relies on the left text field dimensions somehow |
| 17:24.56 | Dark_Elf | why does it have bags: 193 2 times in 2 colors? |
| 17:25.04 | n00bwork | because one is mine, one is bagnon's |
| 17:25.14 | Dark_Elf | ah |
| 17:25.20 | Fisker | good Mr_Rabies |
| 17:25.28 | Semlar | he wants to make sure you know you have 193 bags |
| 17:25.39 | n00bwork | 193 of the item, in your bags :p |
| 17:25.46 | Semlar | it clearly says 193 bags |
| 17:25.57 | n00bwork | if i had 193 bags i'd be rich selling them all |
| 17:26.38 | n00bwork | so that sorta reminds me |
| 17:26.38 | Dark_Elf | thats something i wish blizzard would put in a future upgrade-more bags of inv for character |
| 17:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | Fisker |
| 17:27.25 | n00bwork | ok, so here's an example situation: |
| 17:27.57 | n00bwork | i have bagsort, to sort bags - it moves things around a lot, BAG_UPDATE gets fired a ton.. is it possible to get multiple firings inside of the same frame? |
| 17:28.22 | Coote | Dark_Elf: Need an extra bag slot? We have you covered! Just head on over to the Blizzard Store, and grab your new slots for 3 easy payments of $9.95! |
| 17:28.41 | n00bwork | Coote: they'd make a million dollars the first hour that is out |
| 17:28.44 | n00bwork | for real |
| 17:28.48 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know what blizzard was thinking this expansion |
| 17:29.03 | Mr_Rabies | adding in a ton of great flavor items like the marmot |
| 17:29.10 | Mr_Rabies | and not giving us anymore bag space |
| 17:29.14 | Coote | even if it were only a slot capable of holding just 5 extra spots of storage. |
| 17:29.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'm about to go through and DE any gear that drops in dungeons with any kind of regularity that isn't tier gear |
| 17:30.32 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/noxLy.jpg it's like an xray |
| 17:30.50 | Dark_Elf | thats too much like guildwars |
| 17:30.57 | Semlar | YOU'RE TOO MUCH LIKE GUILDWARS |
| 17:31.21 | Mr_Rabies | that's a cool feature semlar |
| 17:31.23 | Semlar | i haven't played that so what do you mean |
| 17:31.24 | Coote | Whats so bad about that? The GW map is awesome. |
| 17:31.27 | Maldivia | n00bwork: I like mine better http://i.imgur.com/q4r0C.png heh :) |
| 17:31.28 | Dark_Elf | either offer more bag space or just make it so quest items dont take bag space would be nicer |
| 17:31.44 | Mr_Rabies | i probably wouldn't use it, but out of personal taste, not because it's not a cool idea |
| 17:31.58 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2JhKt.jpg |
| 17:32.00 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just so used to what i've got :p |
| 17:32.13 | n00bwork | Maldivia: that's a nice idea |
| 17:32.58 | Mr_Rabies | i find myself having to drop a jeeves constantly while i'm doing dailies |
| 17:33.01 | n00bwork | the reason mine is on the right is i'm going to have a bit of left-justified info as well, so i wanted the layout contrast |
| 17:33.05 | Coote | if they just added a tabbard pane like they did with pets and mounts, that would go a loooong way to helping. that, and increased void storage, since I have mine filled, and my bank filled with tons of gear sets. |
| 17:33.13 | Mr_Rabies | and i have 3 26 slot bags and one 24, and a jeeves |
| 17:33.13 | Mr_Rabies | D: |
| 17:33.22 | Mr_Rabies | my bank is full, my void storage is full |
| 17:33.24 | n00bwork | lol |
| 17:33.34 | n00bwork | i have 4 26 slots and i fill them up easily on a trip to the mailbox |
| 17:33.39 | Maldivia | n00bwork: just like to have bank info there as well, for instance when looking at tooltip for crafting materials etc |
| 17:33.43 | Coote | I'm to the point that 9 of the characters on my server are used as bank storage. |
| 17:33.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i'm using the mailbox for extra storage now |
| 17:33.50 | n00bwork | Maldivia: yeah, i'm writing a tradeskill addon |
| 17:33.54 | Mr_Rabies | it has all my cooking mats |
| 17:34.03 | Coote | and when their banks are filled and no bag space left, I use the mailboxes as storage |
| 17:34.20 | nevcairiel | other characters can only store unbound items, so thats stuff thats usually easily collectable and can be sold and bought |
| 17:34.22 | Mr_Rabies | WHEN THERE'S NO MORE ROOM IN HELL, THE DEAD WILL WALK THE EARTH |
| 17:34.25 | nevcairiel | the big problem is the bound stuff =p |
| 17:34.37 | n00bwork | i just sell it all >_< |
| 17:34.40 | Coote | i think I have about 20k in variiys mats and stuff sitting in mailboxes between my rogue, druid, and death knight at the moment. |
| 17:34.43 | n00bwork | i have one transmog set and i'm sticking with it |
| 17:34.50 | Coote | *various |
| 17:34.54 | Mr_Rabies | i've got most of every tier set |
| 17:34.56 | Mr_Rabies | sans 3 |
| 17:34.57 | Dark_Elf | big problem is these crazy hallowends with all these special awards that take space lol |
| 17:35.04 | Mr_Rabies | i'll work on that once i win the wow lottery |
| 17:35.06 | n00bwork | yeah i hate those |
| 17:35.09 | n00bwork | the broom is stupid too |
| 17:35.15 | Coote | i love the broom |
| 17:35.16 | n00bwork | it's a mount but you have to keep it in your inventory? |
| 17:35.22 | Coote | instant cast mount is win |
| 17:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's a temporary mount |
| 17:35.28 | n00bwork | lol |
| 17:35.28 | Semlar | you remember when you had to keep mounts in your inventory |
| 17:35.29 | nevcairiel | its only a temporary mount |
| 17:35.32 | nevcairiel | its a fun item |
| 17:35.33 | n00bwork | yes i know |
| 17:35.39 | Coote | yes, temporary, but still totally worth it if you're not a druid. |
| 17:35.41 | n00bwork | i'm just saying i got a second one the other night |
| 17:35.48 | n00bwork | Coote: i'm over instant cast mount, i'm a druid :p |
| 17:36.03 | Mr_Rabies | would you rather it stay in your mount list and be useless except for 2-3 weeks a year :( |
| 17:36.09 | n00bwork | personally yes |
| 17:36.13 | n00bwork | but that's because i don't visit my mount list |
| 17:36.18 | Coote | I'd rather it stay ion my mount list and be useful all year :P |
| 17:36.23 | n00bwork | i have flight form + my one big mount i love |
| 17:36.31 | Mr_Rabies | they'd have to make it have a cast time if they did that Coote |
| 17:36.35 | Dark_Elf | better in mount list than inventory for a year |
| 17:36.36 | n00bwork | and i'll never open it again until i like.. buy a yak |
| 17:36.37 | Mr_Rabies | no one would use anything else |
| 17:36.48 | Coote | make it like how it was in bc |
| 17:36.51 | Mr_Rabies | it disappears after hallow's end is over, Dark_Elf |
| 17:36.53 | Coote | epic broom and the blue one |
| 17:37.04 | Coote | epic version is permanent, and keeps instant cast |
| 17:37.28 | Dark_Elf | u mean this crap all disapeers after hallowend is over damn why am i keeping it then lol |
| 17:37.32 | Mr_Rabies | no one would use anything else, Coote |
| 17:37.34 | nevcairiel | horseman already drops one epic mount |
| 17:37.56 | Mr_Rabies | one instant cast mount immediately makes all the other mounts useless |
| 17:37.59 | Coote | make it rare as hell, like most of the other holiday mounts, and dont have it be account bound. there, fixed. |
| 17:38.01 | karl_w_w | it's all about the epix with Coote |
| 17:38.08 | n00bwork | you know i just realized the horseman is mounted, then when his head falls off his horse disappears |
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| 17:38.13 | Mr_Rabies | then they might as well not even have it |
| 17:38.15 | Coote | Well, purple is soooo FABULOUS |
| 17:38.17 | n00bwork | then when he finds his head he gets it back |
| 17:38.29 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather the epic one still have a cast time |
| 17:38.32 | nevcairiel | did you ever try riding without a head? |
| 17:38.34 | nevcairiel | its kinda hard |
| 17:38.46 | mckenziemc | that's what she said |
| 17:38.48 | n00bwork | yeah but that horse is good at hide and seek |
| 17:38.52 | Coote | must be harder to dismount without a head |
| 17:38.53 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's a magical horse, n00bwork |
| 17:39.01 | Mr_Rabies | when you knock his head off, he loses concentration |
| 17:39.09 | Mr_Rabies | and the spell breaks |
| 17:39.31 | Mr_Rabies | since the horseman is haunting the helmet, and the armor he's in |
| 17:42.33 | karl_w_w | his head isn't knocked off, his body is |
| 17:45.19 | Dark_Elf | bah i am getting tired of these "script ran to long" errors |
| 17:46.22 | n00bwork | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:46.39 | karl_w_w | run scripts :P |
| 17:46.51 | n00bwork | no way! |
| 17:46.52 | n00bwork | :p |
| 17:47.02 | karl_w_w | for realz |
| 17:47.17 | Dark_Elf | not trying to do anything its the addons doing it |
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| 18:02.16 | karl_w_w | why does no1 send me interesting email any more :( |
| 18:02.36 | Killa778 | idk ur email |
| 18:02.40 | Killa778 | ill send u some naughty pics |
| 18:04.19 | TC-Work | Define "Interesting" |
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| 18:14.56 | Killa778 | hmm so.. |
| 18:15.32 | Killa778 | I have GalleonWatchLS as a global variable (##Saved Variable: GalleonWatchLS in my toc) |
| 18:15.54 | Killa778 | I dont have it defined inside my lua script... and people who first-run will get lua errors until its set. |
| 18:16.11 | mitchnull | GWLS = GWLS or {} |
| 18:16.50 | Killa778 | so.. GalleonWatchLS = GalleonWatchLS or time() |
| 18:17.05 | mitchnull | erm |
| 18:17.14 | mitchnull | are you bloody sure you won't need to save any other data? |
| 18:17.18 | karl_w_w | <TC-Work> Define "Interesting" <- not advertising |
| 18:17.32 | Killa778 | time is the only thing saved to GalleonWatchLS |
| 18:17.39 | karl_w_w | holy fuck |
| 18:17.42 | karl_w_w | how many times |
| 18:17.44 | Fisker | should make an addon that shares the tag instead |
| 18:17.52 | karl_w_w | just put the default value at the top of your lua file |
| 18:17.55 | karl_w_w | its that simple |
| 18:18.04 | Killa778 | this is what im asking.. sheesh |
| 18:18.12 | n00bwork | karl_w_w: hello i have come into inheritence of USD $205,000,000 but it is locked in bank until confirmed relative can unlock. i have fund you are confirm relative but need USD $5000 to run test. please reply at your convenience, thank you |
| 18:18.16 | Killa778 | i figured out how to get past SecondsToTime |
| 18:18.29 | Killa778 | considering it returned |4 in it and it fucked with SendChatMessage |
| 18:19.43 | mitchnull | killa: usually folks stuff their saved values in single saved variable, which is a table |
| 18:20.46 | Killa778 | Ive been coding for a total of 14 hours |
| 18:20.57 | Killa778 | on my addon, its my first, i dont know shit.. sooo. |
| 18:21.07 | Killa778 | i also hate fucking math, so fuck some tables. |
| 18:21.15 | Killa778 | (At least for now) |
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| 18:21.32 | Seerah | karl_w_w: because he's saving the time it last spawned |
| 18:21.49 | Seerah | there is no "default" :) |
| 18:21.50 | karl_w_w | um |
| 18:22.01 | karl_w_w | there has to be a default :P |
| 18:22.17 | n00bwork | the default is the time for "never" |
| 18:22.21 | n00bwork | which could just be 0 |
| 18:22.23 | karl_w_w | it can be 0 or whatever, be the variable needs a value |
| 18:22.31 | Semlar | not if he checks if it exists before he saves it |
| 18:22.32 | Ressy | make 0 default, add another elsif statement, that if GalleonWatchLS = 0, print "Never seen" |
| 18:22.43 | Dark_Elf | local GalleonWatchLS = 0 |
| 18:23.19 | kd3 | emails out |
| 18:23.23 | Seerah | right, but he still needs to save the value. But, yes, Killa778, don't put = GWLS or time(), that'd be dumb ;) |
| 18:23.59 | Seerah | karl_w_w: I just read that as you saying he didn't need to save time() as the saved variable at all |
| 18:24.15 | Killa778 | why would it be dumb o.O? and i cant do local this needs to be a global since im storing it |
| 18:24.36 | Seerah | because that would save your addon's first load as his last spawned time. |
| 18:24.59 | Killa778 | Erm... if i use 0, its going to say that it spawned at epoc |
| 18:25.02 | Killa778 | which is better. |
| 18:25.56 | Seerah | either leave it nil and check for nil before doing math, or make it 0 and check for 0 before doing math. Either way, don't do math on that number and make your text say "never seen" as mentioned above ^^ |
| 18:26.50 | Seerah | ie, if you don't assign it a default (and it's nil), do if GWLS then --math for time stuff end |
| 18:27.17 | Seerah | or... if not GWLS then --make stuff say "never seen" instead end |
| 18:28.35 | Dark_Elf | yeah what Seerah said |
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| 18:39.38 | Killa778 | so.. okay so i tried this seerah |
| 18:41.11 | Seerah | waiting... :) |
| 18:42.31 | Killa778 | was loggin in to test it |
| 18:42.37 | Killa778 | i fixed a error thought could have been it |
| 18:42.40 | Killa778 | pastiing it tnow |
| 18:42.56 | Killa778 | http://pastebin.com/RfVDExEE |
| 18:43.15 | Seerah | (I may have just misunderstood what you just said, but you don't need to log in/out to test code changes) |
| 18:43.24 | Killa778 | For some reason, it will not retrun if GalleonWatch ='s 0 |
| 18:43.32 | Killa778 | reloading the addon dont u have too? xD |
| 18:43.39 | Killa778 | derp.. u just gotta /reloadui |
| 18:43.50 | Killa778 | only toc changes require a hard reset |
| 18:43.50 | Killa778 | right? |
| 18:43.58 | Seerah | ps - line 26 - please don't |
| 18:44.10 | Seerah | right |
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| 18:44.54 | Killa778 | im doing it only because i dont have a GuI button or something to say the addon is loaded |
| 18:44.56 | Maldivia | addons announcing themself are annoying |
| 18:45.31 | Killa778 | meh :( |
| 18:45.36 | Killa778 | Wwell anyways.. |
| 18:45.43 | Seerah | having something just to let yourself know that it's loaded while you code is fine (you can just do print("loaded")), but take it out when distributing :) |
| 18:45.53 | Seerah | I'm looking |
| 18:46.04 | Maldivia | I don't know if you were playing back in the days where every addon did it... you started wow, and you had 50-100 lines of addons saying hello t oyou |
| 18:46.13 | znf | Is there a way to make SUF fade-out a boss frame based on a debuff/buff on that target? :-/ |
| 18:46.30 | Killa778 | stone puppies u thinkin? |
| 18:46.33 | Killa778 | :P |
| 18:46.35 | znf | yeah :) |
| 18:46.46 | Lopeppeppy | And then you un-installed the addons that all said hello, so you could have a nice quiet login. Ahhhhh! |
| 18:46.47 | Killa778 | just downed em hardmode last night xD |
| 18:47.11 | mitchnull | I think your first line should be GalleonWatchLS = GalleonWatchLS or 0 |
| 18:47.22 | znf | doing this as a shadow priest is a clusterfuck |
| 18:47.29 | Killa778 | i did a thing tho ingame |
| 18:47.39 | Killa778 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.40 | Seerah | mitchnull: it'll be overwritten by the saved variable when that's loaded /shrug |
| 18:47.44 | Killa778 | It says 0 |
| 18:47.49 | Killa778 | (cause i set it to that) |
| 18:48.06 | Killa778 | The thing is, its not returnign the message about having no previous kill recorded |
| 18:48.23 | Killa778 | SendChatMessage("Galleon has yet to be seen by this player. (GalleonWatch v1.0)", "WHISPER", nil, sender) <-- that is not returning |
| 18:48.24 | Seerah | but.... Killa778: you have your logic messed up from lines 42-47 |
| 18:48.33 | Ressy | nods |
| 18:48.42 | Killa778 | >.< |
| 18:48.46 | Killa778 | My logic is always screwd |
| 18:49.10 | mitchnull | seerah: you sure it can't just overwrite the just-loaded savedvar with 0? (I haven't touched this part in a while...) |
| 18:49.28 | Vlad| | {◕ ◡ ◕} |
| 18:49.47 | Seerah | well... I guess I'm not sure since the saved variables and addons are slightly different now on loading.... |
| 18:50.10 | Seerah | Killa778 really should have have GalleonWatchLS = GalleonWatchLS or 0 there |
| 18:50.18 | Seerah | but I wasn't sure if it'd hurt.... |
| 18:50.36 | mitchnull | killa: also, what's the use of your last line? (apart from polluting _G?) |
| 18:50.48 | Killa778 | Well i mean just for testing purpsoes right now i dont care if it equals anything but 0, i will change it |
| 18:51.13 | Killa778 | last line was to see if the addon is loaded by /run print(GalleonWatchLoaded) |
| 18:51.22 | Killa778 | isLoaded* |
| 18:51.59 | Seerah | I thought you already had that covered with line 27? |
| 18:52.06 | Seerah | err... 26 |
| 18:52.09 | Killa778 | ... |
| 18:52.14 | Killa778 | Prat |
| 18:52.27 | Killa778 | so i had it as a double check |
| 18:52.39 | mitchnull | eh ;) |
| 18:52.47 | mitchnull | anyway, good luck. nighty night |
| 18:52.48 | Killa778 | idr exactly one of the people in here told me to do it since my addon was eating messages |
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| 18:52.56 | Seerah | also..... lines 24-25: get rid of them |
| 18:53.19 | Seerah | oh.... wait |
| 18:53.31 | Seerah | that's what you're doing there... you have the ellipses in the function. nvm |
| 18:53.33 | Seerah | not the global ones |
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| 18:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | Argh. Cannot find my get up and go. I think it went. |
| 18:54.20 | Killa778 | the only damn thing that confuses me here |
| 18:54.30 | Seerah | starts tickling Lopeppeppy til she wants to run away |
| 18:54.36 | Killa778 | i ask one question about why my addon isnt sending messages when x should happen... |
| 18:54.47 | Killa778 | And i get 900 comments / changes and everyone always tells me conflicting ideas |
| 18:54.49 | Killa778 | :( |
| 18:55.02 | Maldivia | welcome to the channel :) |
| 18:55.03 | foxlit | the bike shed effect. |
| 18:55.05 | Semlar | that's because there's more than one way to do things |
| 18:55.11 | Maldivia | everyone has opinions :) |
| 18:55.27 | Seerah | Killa778: the only reason why line 44 won't print is if GalleonWatchLS is not 0 |
| 18:55.31 | foxlit | People think that what you're doing is simple, and are therefore inclined to tell you what else you should do. |
| 18:55.45 | foxlit | If you were to ask how to build a nuclear reactor instead, you'd get crickets. |
| 18:55.51 | Killa778 | GalleonWatchLS is 0 right now |
| 18:55.58 | Killa778 | ingame with this current build of the addon |
| 18:56.00 | Seerah | did you do print(GalleonWatchLS) ? |
| 18:56.09 | mckenziemc | foxlit: how do i build a holding pen for Fisker? |
| 18:56.12 | Maldivia | foxlit: well, I would probably start with some shielding material, so there wouldn't be any leaks |
| 18:56.12 | Killa778 | i yes |
| 18:56.15 | Killa778 | it came back |
| 18:56.16 | Killa778 | 0 |
| 18:56.20 | Killa778 | Then i do |
| 18:56.22 | Killa778 | !Galleon |
| 18:56.23 | Semlar | i would start with the universe |
| 18:56.24 | Seerah | mckenziemc: depends on what you want it made out of |
| 18:56.41 | Killa778 | To [Tsulong]: Galleon was last killed at 12-31-69 19:00:00 UTC Time. He died 15637 Day(s) 18 Hour(s) 56 Minute(s) 4 Second(s) Ago. (GalleonWatch v1.0) |
| 18:56.46 | mckenziemc | anything that can corral Fisker |
| 18:56.51 | znf | So, anyone? Custom SUF tags? Change Alpha based on debuff/buff on target? :P |
| 18:56.56 | foxlit | mckenziemc: crickets. |
| 18:57.02 | Semlar | chirp |
| 18:57.34 | mckenziemc | makes a cricket Reaper |
| 18:57.38 | Seerah | Killa778: well, because of your logic issue that I mentioned above, both 44 and 46 are being sent |
| 18:57.55 | Seerah | so, maybe 44's being cut out by the server /shrug |
| 18:58.12 | Killa778 | so..45.. |
| 18:58.15 | Killa778 | change end to else? |
| 18:58.20 | Seerah | yep |
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| 19:02.21 | Killa778 | fixed it |
| 19:02.21 | Killa778 | :D |
| 19:02.50 | Killa778 | GalleonWatchLS = GalleonWatchLS or 0 ... at the top |
| 19:03.04 | TC-Work | wrong email kd3? |
| 19:03.05 | Killa778 | that will make it so if the global var for GWLS isnt there, it will auto- put 0 |
| 19:03.06 | Killa778 | right? |
| 19:03.27 | Seerah | assuming the sv's load first, right |
| 19:03.47 | kd3 | no? |
| 19:04.24 | TC-Work | kd3: all the rest say Kaydeethree, this one says your name |
| 19:04.36 | kd3 | oh, heh, whoops |
| 19:04.41 | TC-Work | different address as well |
| 19:04.54 | kd3 | they're all getting sent from the same gmail account, it just has access to several addresses |
| 19:05.02 | TC-Work | right, wrong dropdown |
| 19:05.05 | kd3 | yah |
| 19:05.47 | TC-Work | which is why it showed up in the not important section |
| 19:06.34 | Lopeppeppy | Because that alternate personality is not important. :P |
| 19:06.46 | Ressy | I added this email to sorting so if it happens again I won't go "WTH is this?" |
| 19:08.23 | kd3 | emails out (from the right address this time) |
| 19:08.36 | Killa778 | so okay |
| 19:08.42 | Killa778 | where should i upload the addon to for the first time |
| 19:08.45 | karl_w_w | <Killa778> GalleonWatchLS = GalleonWatchLS or 0 ... at the top <- like a day later now? |
| 19:08.46 | TC-Work | just blame it on being sick kd3 |
| 19:09.25 | Killa778 | Karl, like i said i could give a fuck about some value i can set ingame for personal testing, once i get the section im working on done i will make changes that affect it for others |
| 19:09.38 | Killa778 | It wasnt a problem for what i was doing therefore not broke dont fix. |
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| 19:14.55 | karl_w_w | http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/522892_428659403815707_151413028_n.jpg wut? |
| 19:15.06 | Semlar | finger monkeys |
| 19:15.27 | Semlar | it's contagious |
| 19:16.40 | foxlit | Is the calendar API the only way to access the current server date? |
| 19:16.56 | Semlar | that's the only function i could find |
| 19:17.32 | karl_w_w | well you could use local time and date and compare to server time |
| 19:18.34 | karl_w_w | but that would mess up i think |
| 19:19.03 | foxlit | is the calendar actually based on server time? |
| 19:19.22 | Semlar | yes |
| 19:19.45 | Semlar | in fact you could probably schedule something on the calendar to track this |
| 19:19.56 | foxlit | well, at least that's a consolation. |
| 19:23.38 | Semlar | actually |
| 19:23.55 | Semlar | you could even just have it schedule a guild event |
| 19:24.16 | Semlar | then you wouldn't have to send any addon messages or save any variables |
| 19:25.54 | Semlar | (if you wanted to keep it to the guild, not global) |
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| 19:29.43 | Neffi | Yes. |
| 19:30.04 | Neffi | Rasp Pi bumped to 512 MB RAM by default, and Broadcom just open-sourced all the drivers. |
| 19:30.18 | znf | meh, I must be doing something wrong here... I can't make SUF hide some (de)buffs from the boss frames :-/ |
| 19:30.20 | Neffi | Finally some sense of sanity |
| 19:32.28 | Primer | old news |
| 19:32.48 | Primer | what's good though is that they're keeping the $35 price |
| 19:33.42 | znf | for me it's still around 80€ with shipping with vat, so meh :( |
| 19:34.33 | Neffi | Yeah around $50 here. Cheaper to probably buy an old Core2 laptop and pull out the logic board, but it's nice that the Pi uses less than 5W. |
| 19:35.08 | Neffi | I calculated the monthly cost of running it at 100% usage 24/7 and it was under a dollar. Can't argue with that when you need something like a headless fileserver or something to SSH/tunnel into from school. |
| 19:36.19 | Neffi | lol google |
| 19:36.37 | Neffi | Searching for a world of warcraft benchmark, and "WOW" matches my "warcraft" search term. |
| 20:05.08 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8w1p5UI7Siw |
| 20:08.15 | Fisker | the new youtube is scary |
| 20:17.31 | Maldivia | totally forgot about movember... |
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| 20:51.27 | Tsulong | Hey guys.. (It's Killa778) |
| 20:51.45 | Kaylin | hello (just so you know we're here, except not me bc logging off) |
| 20:51.47 | Tsulong | any idea how long it takes to get a file approved on Curseforge? |
| 20:52.05 | Tsulong | Haha i knwow kaylin :P i was in here past 2 days under Killa778 xD |
| 20:52.13 | Kaylin | few hours to a few days depending on how many they are dealing with |
| 20:58.58 | foxlit | gr. |
| 20:59.21 | foxlit | I wonder how space strategy games deal with the idea that solar systems are really, really, really far apart. |
| 21:01.18 | foxlit | the dilemma is that either you have ships that move outrageously fast within a single system, or take forever to get to different systems. |
| 21:02.10 | Neffi | On that note I've been jotting down the mechanics of the universe for the game I'm going to make |
| 21:02.41 | Neffi | Consider that the universe can follow totally legitimate physics in the sense that it has its own internal consistency AND works out mathematically, without following the laws of *our* universe. |
| 21:03.32 | Neffi | Eg my universe has the sense of magic, but it's explained in a way that makes sense even to somebody scientifically inclined. Most games just throw the mechanics at you and say "this is how it works" but it's not impossible to explain ridiculous things in a way that actually works and makes sense. |
| 21:04.16 | Neffi | As for planetary travel, well there's all sorts of loopholes in current physics that allow for it even in this universe |
| 21:06.28 | foxlit | I'm inclined to throw mass relays around, but I'm not sure how to make that work reasonably with response times to attacks. |
| 21:08.46 | Neffi | Huh? |
| 21:08.48 | Tsulong | black hole portals |
| 21:08.51 | Tsulong | all u need. |
| 21:08.52 | Neffi | What do you mean by relays? That means a lot of thing |
| 21:09.24 | Neffi | I was thinking more like time dilation. You can warp space, thus you can warp time. Theoretically, it's not impossible to make a million-year trip take a few seconds. |
| 21:09.54 | foxlit | a few seconds for you, a million years for everyone else? |
| 21:10.05 | Neffi | And wormholes are always a favorite of classroom physics |
| 21:10.29 | Neffi | Frame of reference is strange, but the whole thing is relative |
| 21:10.32 | foxlit | I don't mean anything as far as actual physics is concerned; just the gameplay equivalent of a magic gate that allows relatively quick transit between two far away points. |
| 21:10.34 | Neffi | Maybe a few seconds to everyone |
| 21:10.43 | Neffi | Which is precisely what a wormhole is |
| 21:11.11 | foxlit | Strikes me as a bad gameplay solution |
| 21:11.30 | Neffi | The shortest distance between two points is a wormhole. It's an instantaneous route. It goes "underneath" the fabric of space to connect two points without passing through the intervening space. |
| 21:11.41 | Neffi | Well there's good theoretical grounding that they actually exist |
| 21:12.02 | foxlit | It'd be awkward to have one in everyone's backyard, though |
| 21:12.06 | Neffi | And it's approachable by the masses because most people have heard the term in cheesy sci-fi and understand it means portal |
| 21:12.15 | foxlit | more than one, even, since I'd want connectivity. |
| 21:12.27 | Neffi | You can make it like a web network |
| 21:12.36 | Neffi | Or a client-server solution |
| 21:12.48 | foxlit | But that basically still gets me slow ships with fast interconnection between interesting point |
| 21:12.49 | foxlit | s |
| 21:12.50 | Neffi | Think of it like the internet |
| 21:13.36 | Neffi | Instead of having point-to-point, you have a ton of wormholes that all go to main "backbones". Travel through one to a backbone, tavel through another to another backbone, etc, and you can end up anywhere in the universe with only a few hops. |
| 21:13.56 | Neffi | Well yes |
| 21:14.01 | Neffi | You can't break the speed of light |
| 21:14.35 | Neffi | You can't even hit the speed of light. In fact I recall some math that suggested that reaching the speed of light at 2 G-forces would take years it itself |
| 21:14.36 | foxlit | I guess what I want is two things: encourage you to spread ships out, rather than have them camp specific points |
| 21:14.49 | Neffi | Then forget the speed of light |
| 21:15.00 | Neffi | There's no underlying law saying that every universe has the same speed of light |
| 21:15.29 | Neffi | In fact I'd venture to say that too little is known about the nature of energy and time to say precisely why the speed of light needs to exist. You can do away with it |
| 21:15.31 | foxlit | and get some sort of balance between allowing surprise attacks, and allowing you to rally defense to surprise attacks |
| 21:15.53 | Neffi | So set the speed of light at a few thousand times the current rate. |
| 21:16.25 | foxlit | But then wave a magic wand around to explain why you can't use that speed within a solar system? |
| 21:16.49 | Neffi | Why can't you? |
| 21:16.57 | Neffi | But, I solved that for you a few lines up |
| 21:17.00 | foxlit | I'm less annoyed by the wand-waving than I am by having two rulesets. |
| 21:17.03 | Neffi | It takes time to reach the speed of light |
| 21:17.16 | Neffi | You can't accelerate too fast because the G-force would rip everything apart |
| 21:17.39 | Neffi | So it's infeasible to even reach the speed of light within a solar system |
| 21:17.50 | Neffi | OR even a small fraction of it |
| 21:18.25 | Neffi | But I think the wormhole solution is nicer |
| 21:18.56 | Neffi | Consider that wormholes take immense amount of energy. Not just creating them. Keeping them open requires far more energy. They're probably the most unstable thing in the universe. |
| 21:19.02 | foxlit | It is. I like some sort of super-network with subnets. It at least makes navigation search space smaller. |
| 21:19.07 | Neffi | So wormholes would be reserved for only important routes. |
| 21:19.43 | Neffi | In fact you'd need energy sources exceeding anything theoretically possible on a solar-system scale to even keep a wormhole open |
| 21:19.48 | Neffi | So there's your limitation |
| 21:20.23 | foxlit | As I said, less concerned about making sense. "A wizard did it!" is quite acceptable :) |
| 21:20.24 | Neffi | If you want free energy to have a whole super-network, just say energy is being borrowed from the universe. Totally possible, and it happens all the time. |
| 21:20.52 | Neffi | That's one immense wizard |
| 21:21.17 | foxlit | a race of robotic wizard androids from a galaxy far far away and long long ago? |
| 21:22.02 | foxlit | Not sure how much I like acceleration-based limitations -- what's a reasonable maximum acceleration, and how long would it take you to travel to the nearest solar system assuming you kept that acceleration? |
| 21:22.04 | Neffi | The more far-fetched sci-fi is, the more I hate it |
| 21:22.20 | Neffi | I don't have the numbers on hand to run the math and I'm not in the mood |
| 21:22.30 | Neffi | Gravity is ~10 m/s |
| 21:22.44 | Neffi | Figure if you can handle 2 Gs constantly, you can accel at 20 m/s |
| 21:22.46 | Neffi | Run the numbers |
| 21:23.04 | Neffi | if you're acceling constantly at 2 Gs, remember you'll be feeling twice the effect of earth's gravity |
| 21:23.17 | foxlit | that sounds uncomfortable, but let's go with that. |
| 21:23.23 | foxlit | Proxima Centauri is 4.24 light years away |
| 21:23.37 | Neffi | And the ship would have to be oriented such that the "back" of it is the floor, so the forward acceleration is felt as gravity. Otherwise you'd be sucked to the back of the craft anyway. |
| 21:24.33 | Neffi | 299,792,458 meters per second |
| 21:24.35 | Neffi | speed of light |
| 21:24.41 | Neffi | you accel at 20 m/s |
| 21:24.51 | Neffi | so every sec your speed increases by 20 m/s |
| 21:24.54 | foxlit | ~24.1 months |
| 21:25.00 | kd3 | so 20m/s^2 |
| 21:25.02 | Neffi | (sorry my unit for accel should be 20 m/s^@) |
| 21:25.04 | Neffi | 2 |
| 21:25.04 | Neffi | * |
| 21:25.06 | kd3 | don't forget about decelerating at the other end |
| 21:25.10 | Neffi | aye |
| 21:25.14 | foxlit | kd3: screw that, let it overshoot. |
| 21:25.24 | Neffi | 24.1 months of overshoot |
| 21:25.26 | Neffi | lord |
| 21:25.32 | Neffi | you'd have quite a trip backward |
| 21:25.45 | foxlit | In a sense, that's preferably |
| 21:25.46 | foxlit | e |
| 21:25.52 | Neffi | consider that for a large chunk of that time, you're traveling at an appreciable value of c, so you'd overshoot by lightyears |
| 21:25.57 | foxlit | You could reach the system, say "bombs away!" and be gone before anyone noticed |
| 21:26.05 | Neffi | also |
| 21:26.09 | Neffi | you can't hit c itself |
| 21:26.15 | Neffi | because once you hit c, time no longer exists |
| 21:26.27 | Neffi | eg photons do not feel time or know that it even exists |
| 21:26.29 | foxlit | I recall you suggesting setting c to obscenely high values. |
| 21:26.34 | Neffi | aye |
| 21:26.39 | Neffi | that's a nice fix |
| 21:26.39 | kd3 | not that you're ever going to hit c unless you're a photon |
| 21:26.41 | foxlit | so let's ignore it for the purposes of this exercise. |
| 21:26.49 | Neffi | well true kd3 but this is fiction |
| 21:27.01 | Neffi | but i guess if we're getting technical, yes, you have an even larger problem |
| 21:27.13 | Neffi | as you approach c, the energy required to go that fast approached infinity |
| 21:27.42 | Neffi | you'd quickly come to a point where keeping a super-network of wormholes open is cheaper than traveling fast enough |
| 21:28.15 | foxlit | same exercise for Earth->Mars: 2 days if content to overshoot. |
| 21:28.46 | Neffi | if 2 Gs is your limit, you can't decel faster either |
| 21:28.53 | Neffi | so you're overshoot by the same distance as the travel itself |
| 21:29.04 | Neffi | you're have to start deceling halfway through the trip |
| 21:30.47 | foxlit | okay, so 2.83 days with decelaration, versus 24 months without deceleration. |
| 21:31.23 | Neffi | those numbers seem wrong |
| 21:32.01 | Neffi | The awesome thing is |
| 21:32.21 | Neffi | If you run a red light at 1/6th the speed of C, you can argue the ticket in court that the light appeared to be green |
| 21:32.28 | Neffi | =) |
| 21:32.46 | foxlit | time = sqrt ( 2 * distance / acceleration); multiply by 1.41 if you need to stop at the end. |
| 21:33.44 | Neffi | I'm skipping math class today because I'm tired of running numbers |
| 21:34.00 | Neffi | So I'l trust you |
| 21:35.27 | foxlit | As far as turn based things go, that differential is horrible |
| 21:37.57 | Neffi | Bend space |
| 21:38.04 | Neffi | Every curve is really just a straight line to somebody |
| 21:38.24 | Neffi | eg as far as earth is concerned, it's traveling a perfectly straight line |
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| 21:38.50 | foxlit | can of worms. |
| 21:39.23 | foxlit | well, maybe not, but I'm disinclined to have celestial objects actually move for other reasons. |
| 21:42.25 | foxlit | The question isn't really about making it work with respect to physics -- it's more about making it work with respect to being able to notice ships heading your way to attack you, and be able to pull defending fleets to meet them in a battle. Some form of portal network for travel between systems sounds reasonable to me, but what's a reasonable way to restrict that to allow you time to respond to things that sneak up on you with the intent to blow up all |
| 21:42.25 | foxlit | your base? |
| 21:43.02 | foxlit | vanishes for a bit. |
| 21:43.13 | Neffi | it's a tricky question |
| 21:53.13 | Mr_Rabies | <foxlit> I wonder how space strategy games deal with the idea that solar systems are really, really, really far apart. |
| 21:53.41 | Mr_Rabies | have them within the same solar system :p |
| 21:54.44 | Tsulong | welp |
| 21:54.44 | Tsulong | woot |
| 21:55.07 | Tsulong | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/GalleonWatch |
| 21:56.49 | Mr_Rabies | if i were to make one, i'd have it take place within the earthsphere, with the fathest outskirts of humanity being around jupiter |
| 21:57.05 | Tsulong | ws@Neffi.. |
| 21:57.26 | Tsulong | @neffi* The whole web network.. reminds me of Agartha from Secret world. |
| 21:57.35 | Tsulong | That was a very well done transit syste, |
| 22:12.31 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: I guess the answer to that is really "don't have the solar systems really, really, really far apart" |
| 22:24.35 | Ackis | can the 4.3 ptr go to 5.1 without needing a reinstall? |
| 22:25.59 | Fisker | no need for galleonwatch Tsulong |
| 22:26.10 | Fisker | you just need to login after server maintenance and wait 30-60 minutes |
| 22:28.13 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 22:28.51 | Tsulong | lol fisker |
| 22:28.57 | Tsulong | u can get loot multiple times per week |
| 22:29.01 | Tsulong | definatly a reason for it |
| 22:29.31 | Tsulong | also if u have the addon loaded and he spawns it auto-msg's ur guild so bewm |
| 22:29.41 | Tsulong | ur guildie has it loaded and is afk @ tillers jackin off |
| 22:29.58 | Tsulong | he spawns BEWM ur afk guildie just alerted u all :P |
| 22:30.07 | Neffi | competition |
| 22:30.58 | Fisker | i've only seen him spawn once a week |
| 22:31.02 | Fisker | atleast after the hotfix |
| 22:31.09 | Fisker | and how can you get more loot per week? |
| 22:33.09 | Ackis | Fisker: you kill him more than once a week? I got 2 kills last week |
| 22:33.52 | Fisker | getting kills and getting loot are two different things |
| 22:34.55 | Ackis | I got a chance at loot each time |
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| 23:48.27 | Semlar | loots ackis |
