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| 01:30.29 | Coote | Fail troll, or seriously as retarded as he sounds? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=267201 |
| 01:32.44 | Coote | He seriously PMed me telling me to remove my post. /facedesk |
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| 01:35.18 | tem | Coote, posts like that are why I can never have administrative power over a public forum |
| 01:35.41 | tem | weilds the banhammer with swift and terrible vengeance. |
| 01:36.18 | Coote | Same here. Was a global moderator on a fairly large forums before. Lasted about a year before people bitched to the admins about being banned for stupidity. <,< |
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| 01:53.11 | Mr_Rabies | "there's no such thing as copyright" is up there with "i don't believe in religion" |
| 01:54.02 | Mr_Rabies | like |
| 01:55.28 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen people use that exact line before |
| 02:01.41 | pnorman | heh. |
| 02:02.32 | pnorman | it's pretty hard to deny that religion exists. |
| 02:03.11 | pnorman | of course if he's just modifying it locally and not distributing, he doesn't need anyone's permission |
| 02:09.52 | Mr_Rabies | well, not that there's any way to prove he even modified it himself if he's not distributing it :p |
| 02:20.42 | Arrowmaster | lol http://i.imgur.com/XKIMF.jpg |
| 02:25.32 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: cute creatures ^^^ |
| 02:25.39 | Cairenn | awwww |
| 02:25.41 | Cairenn | very cute |
| 02:25.47 | Cairenn | was dealing with that thread |
| 02:26.07 | Cairenn | Sammy puppy playing with lobster - kinda odd |
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| 02:27.27 | Cairenn | but indeed cute |
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| 03:10.40 | cogwheel | so this is a thing... http://www.meetup.com/intoxicoders/ |
| 03:14.55 | kd3 | do I "occasionally" code under the influence? |
| 03:14.56 | kd3 | hahahahahahah |
| 03:17.10 | cogwheel | "we drink a lot" was one of the most repeated phrases during my new employee orientation >.> |
| 03:17.48 | cogwheel | or things like "this is where ____ sits. He's our classy drunk. come see him if you need a martini" |
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| 03:24.10 | Guest47078 | >_> |
| 03:24.20 | Bluexiledcow | :( |
| 03:26.07 | Shirik | declares Bluexiledcow welcome |
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| 03:50.59 | Shirik | http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/banana-boat-sunscreen-urgently-recalling-500000-bottles-of-ultamist-spray-on-lotion/story-fnddckzi-1226499837561 |
| 03:51.07 | Shirik | "after reports a handful of people caught on fire after using the product and coming in contact with an open flame" |
| 03:53.43 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://imgur.com/k0vGY and http://imgur.com/r/aww/Ir30w |
| 03:54.49 | Cairenn | awwwww |
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| 04:18.00 | Shirik | http://forums.cryptozoic.com/showthread.php?t=20585 |
| 04:18.29 | Shirik | this thread is still making my head hurt - wrestling and WoW do not mix |
| 04:19.26 | Ackis | holy shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A8JsRx2lois |
| 04:19.35 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: ^ (watch the whole thing) |
| 04:22.31 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 04:22.32 | Shirik | that was amazing |
| 04:28.53 | Jamash | awesome |
| 04:31.12 | Dagmar | His delivery is kinda bad, but it was a good stand to take |
| 04:31.17 | Jamash | yes |
| 04:36.45 | Dagmar | Did anyone else notice Lawrence Fishburne in Extra Credits this week? |
| 04:40.18 | Jamash | I don't watch extra credits because the guy is dumb and annoying |
| 04:40.36 | Dagmar | I'm sorry if the big words bother you |
| 04:41.02 | Jamash | his logic is flawed, his facts are made up and he sounds like mc chris but isn't funny |
| 04:41.30 | Dagmar | I would disagree on all three counts |
| 04:41.44 | Jamash | I remember the episode I stopped watching forever when he made the assertion that only gamers identify themselves with the verb of their chosen hobby |
| 04:43.03 | Dagmar | GOlfers call themselves golfers. Other people call them golfers. |
| 04:43.07 | Jamash | ignoring readers, moviegoers, runners, joggers, bikers, climbers, golfers, target shooters, footballers, horse riders, birdwatchers |
| 04:43.18 | Dagmar | Bowlers call themselves bowlers, and other people call themselves bowlers. |
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| 04:43.33 | Dagmar | Gamers call themselves gamers, and most other people call them gamers. |
| 04:43.34 | Dagmar | OH NO WAI |
| 04:43.43 | Dagmar | They generally call them NERDS. |
| 04:43.53 | bluspacecow | extra credits ? |
| 04:43.55 | Dagmar | That's the difference. |
| 04:43.56 | Jamash | his boneheaded assertion was that we're ghettoizing ourselves by saying "we're gamers" instead of "we're people who play games" |
| 04:44.15 | Jamash | every single hobby community does that |
| 04:44.30 | Jamash | he's got no perspective and it shows in everything he says |
| 04:44.38 | Dagmar | No, for all these other hobbies, people who aren't into that still use the same term. |
| 04:44.44 | Jamash | that wasn't his point |
| 04:45.03 | Dagmar | People who aren't gamers call gamers things like "people who spend too much time on the computer", "nerds", "geeks", etc. |
| 04:45.06 | Jamash | his point was about the people who participate in the hobby |
| 04:45.08 | Dagmar | No, it was his point |
| 04:45.10 | Jamash | no it wasn't |
| 04:45.17 | Dagmar | He said it in plain English. |
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| 04:46.47 | Jamash | "think about film or books, you don't call people who watch films 'film watchers' or 'filmers'" |
| 04:47.12 | Dagmar | Movie buffs, moviegoers |
| 04:47.16 | Jamash | precisely |
| 04:47.33 | Jamash | "you don't call people who read novels 'readers'" |
| 04:47.35 | Jamash | YES, YOU DO |
| 04:47.39 | Jamash | THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL THEM |
| 04:47.43 | Dagmar | You might as well be trying to say his point is invalid because we don't call people who drag race "fast drivers" |
| 04:47.59 | Jamash | his entire premise is not only flawed but entirely false |
| 04:48.10 | Dagmar | ...and yet, people who aren't gamers seldom describe gamers as "gamers" |
| 04:48.50 | Jamash | doesn't matter |
| 04:48.53 | Jamash | his premise is false |
| 04:48.56 | Jamash | 100% false |
| 04:49.33 | Jamash | I stopped watching that video about a minute in and haven't watched any of his shit since |
| 04:49.34 | Dagmar | ...and yet this week's covers https://sakai.rutgers.edu/access/content/group/af43d59b-528f-42d0-b8e5-70af85c439dc/reading/hunicke_2004.pdf pretty faithfully |
| 04:52.07 | Jamash | bluspacecow: a bad video series for bads |
| 04:52.28 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Which is reviled by people with a depressingly small vocabulary, as you can see |
| 04:52.42 | Jamash | Dagmar: as with most attempts to popularize knowledge, everything he says is either obvious or false |
| 04:52.55 | Sintacks | tired of script ran too long errors ... |
| 04:53.16 | Dagmar | Sounds more to me like you've a serious problem with paying attention |
| 04:53.38 | Jamash | sounds to me like you're overawed by the world's tallest mental midget |
| 04:53.44 | Dagmar | Very little in this week's for instance, is very obvious. |
| 04:53.52 | Dagmar | If it were, there wouldn't be so much crap on the market |
| 04:54.05 | Jamash | there's so much crap on the market because people buy it |
| 04:54.34 | Dagmar | I could swear there's regular wailing and gnashing of teeth coming from that quarter that they _don't_ |
| 04:54.41 | Gnarfoz | gamers are not called gamers? |
| 04:54.51 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Generally only by other gamers |
| 04:55.05 | Gnarfoz | uhh |
| 04:55.06 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 04:55.17 | Jamash | Gnarfoz: ignore him, he's on crack |
| 04:55.19 | Dagmar | Try introducing yourself like that at a bar |
| 04:55.30 | Jamash | crack is wack, dagmar |
| 04:55.41 | Dagmar | So are absolutes. |
| 04:55.53 | Jamash | this MDA thing is a cut and paste of how game critics have talked about games for decades |
| 04:55.56 | Gnarfoz | why the hell would I introduce myself by saying I'm a $hobby-description |
| 04:56.08 | Jamash | it's just putting existing terms in existing pigeonholes |
| 04:56.21 | Dagmar | To watch "normal" people go waffle-faced and ask how often you go to Vegas |
| 04:56.33 | Jamash | Dagmar: where do you live |
| 04:56.41 | Gnarfoz | rarely, that's several thousand km away |
| 04:56.52 | Dagmar | In The Land Of Rednecks. |
| 04:57.31 | Jamash | Prosecution rests |
| 04:57.50 | bluspacecow | lol bads |
| 04:58.06 | Gnarfoz | great, broken quest :| |
| 04:58.17 | Jamash | just because you're surrounded by ignorant hicks doesn't mean everyone is |
| 04:58.49 | Gnarfoz | ignorant AND xenophobic apparently |
| 04:58.51 | Dagmar | You ever stop to think there might be a reason you're one of a small minority who seems to think that guy is always wrong about everything? |
| 04:59.17 | Jamash | see, I get it, you're so starved for intellectual stimulation that whatsisface impresses you |
| 04:59.22 | Dagmar | That you MIGHT be making a habit of taking an oversimplified viewpoint on things you don't agree with, which makes them even more inscrutible to you? |
| 04:59.38 | Jamash | I didn't say he's always wrong, I said everything he says is either obvious or wrong |
| 04:59.46 | Jamash | today's is obvious, the "gamer" episode is wrong |
| 04:59.54 | Dagmar | He doesn't impress me. I just think he takes a more analytic viewpoint than people who say dumbass shit like "lol bads" |
| 05:00.10 | Jamash | lol bads is an analytic viewpoint |
| 05:00.12 | Dagmar | Excluding bluspacecow's verbatim on that |
| 05:00.15 | Gnarfoz | see, you can be analytic and still wrong |
| 05:00.23 | Jamash | and reductionist and still right |
| 05:00.24 | Dagmar | No, it's hypersimplified tard-speak |
| 05:00.35 | Gnarfoz | and why pussy out and exclude what she just said |
| 05:01.08 | Jamash | I made an analytical analysis of his work and concluded that it's not good |
| 05:01.17 | Jamash | she who? |
| 05:01.20 | Dagmar | Because there's a difference between laughing at someone using the term, and being a juvenile douche who wants to ridicule others, but can't manage to come up with the strength to manage sentence structure. |
| 05:01.23 | Gnarfoz | bad attempt at trying to disguise the ad-hominem intended for Jamash |
| 05:01.35 | Dagmar | Oh I'm not disguising it |
| 05:01.56 | Jamash | no see I use bad talk to make fun of bad people |
| 05:02.23 | Gnarfoz | could one of you gamers (:>) fix my quest instead of this nonsense |
| 05:02.41 | Dagmar | It's just a lame attempt at invalidating others, no better than crying "fags!" |
| 05:02.49 | Jamash | wrong |
| 05:03.08 | Gnarfoz | is it still just an attempt when it succeeds? |
| 05:03.10 | Dagmar | No, if it were right, it woulnd't be common in /2 |
| 05:03.12 | Jamash | fags is discriminatory language meant to put down both the target and delegitimize a minority group |
| 05:03.25 | Gnarfoz | bads is just the first |
| 05:03.33 | Jamash | exactly |
| 05:03.39 | Dagmar | Yeah, and "bads" is discriminatory language meant to put down anyone who hasn't logged as many hours playing as the speaker. |
| 05:03.43 | Jamash | no, that's noobs |
| 05:03.52 | Jamash | bads are those who have played and are still bad |
| 05:03.53 | Gnarfoz | that makes it different how? He's still right about it being laughably simple language nobody with an IQ over 50 should be using |
| 05:04.06 | Dagmar | Oh you're right, pardon me, put down people who don't give giant fucks about a game |
| 05:04.35 | Dagmar | ...or who don't play the game in exactly the way the speaker thinks they should play. |
| 05:04.54 | Jamash | when I call someone a "bad", in this case Mr. Credits, I'm intentionally using a juvenile vocabulary in order to signal the level of intellectual respect I have for his poor attempts at documenting gamer culture |
| 05:05.06 | Gnarfoz | but I thought this is a yt video channel, not a game |
| 05:05.14 | bluspacecow | *materlizes a box of caramel corn pop corn* |
| 05:05.15 | Jamash | he's bad at making videos |
| 05:05.18 | Dagmar | ...and yet he can say things with full sentences. |
| 05:05.20 | bluspacecow | *munches it* |
| 05:05.25 | Jamash | I can, I just choose not to some of the time. |
| 05:05.49 | Dagmar | Coherent thoughts, which if not universally correct, at least express that he's attempting to unravel complex issues. |
| 05:05.50 | Gnarfoz | that's totally cool of him, the sentences can still be bullshit ^^ |
| 05:05.57 | Jamash | ^^ |
| 05:06.10 | Jamash | or obvious |
| 05:06.42 | Jamash | look if he wants to be sesame street for gamers fine, but that doesn't mean I need to treat it as content for people who aren't still eating paste |
| 05:06.49 | Dagmar | If you're so awesome, how come you're not hosted on PA? |
| 05:06.58 | Jamash | who says I'm not? |
| 05:07.07 | Dagmar | Their website, I would think. |
| 05:07.19 | Gnarfoz | who says being X by Y means you're "good by association" |
| 05:07.23 | Jamash | maybe I'm Ben Kuchera |
| 05:07.27 | Jamash | you don't know |
| 05:07.53 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: Because on most days, whole shittons of people agree with Jerry & Mike |
| 05:07.58 | Gnarfoz | whoever they are |
| 05:08.06 | Gnarfoz | and it was a general statement |
| 05:08.11 | Jamash | see, the PA report is intelligent discussion of video games and their place in culture |
| 05:08.29 | Jamash | Extra Credits is The More You Know |
| 05:08.31 | bluspacecow | @Jamash I'm Batman. |
| 05:08.41 | Dagmar | ...and if Jerry & Mike thought the guy was as full of shit as you claim, EC wouldn't be on their site. |
| 05:09.03 | Jamash | s/The More/And Now/ |
| 05:09.10 | Dagmar | Unlike yer typical newspaper, they're not in the habit of placing paid advertisements as articles |
| 05:09.46 | Jamash | I'm not going to discuss his work in any context other than the work itself |
| 05:10.06 | Jamash | the work is juvenile, which is fine for juveniles, which I am not and neither are you as far as I know Dagmar |
| 05:10.33 | Dagmar | I am not, and the common fare I see online is much, much worse than anything I see on EC |
| 05:10.37 | Jamash | he's still dumb and he's still annoying |
| 05:10.58 | Dagmar | ...and you're still shoring up your arguments with dismissive statements. |
| 05:10.59 | bluspacecow | http://www.google.com/about/datacenters/inside/ |
| 05:11.02 | bluspacecow | Networking Tech Porn |
| 05:11.11 | Gnarfoz | you're not doing much better, either |
| 05:11.17 | Jamash | You need to learn the difference between a direct insult and an ad-hominem argument |
| 05:11.19 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: yeah my boss actually asked me if I should be looking at that on the clock |
| 05:11.37 | Jamash | if I say he's bad because his logic and facts are bad, that is not an ad-hominem |
| 05:11.51 | Jamash | if I say his logic and facts are bad because he's bad, that is an ad-hominem |
| 05:11.53 | Dagmar | Of course it doesn't help that I'd just been commenting "ooooo... sexy... Show it to me baby" |
| 05:12.05 | Dagmar | Jamash: You already did that |
| 05:12.10 | Jamash | no I didn't |
| 05:12.35 | Dagmar | Really... so calling him a "bad" was in no way an attempt to shore up your weak argument with insults. |
| 05:13.34 | Jamash | I called him bad because I think his work is of poor quality, not the other way around |
| 05:13.42 | Jamash | not an ad-hominem |
| 05:13.58 | Dagmar | bluespacecow: Irritatingly, since technically he didn't hire us, we were transferred into the department, I can no longer say "YOU KNEW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WE WERE WHEN YOU HIRED US" |
| 05:14.33 | Dagmar | Luckily, servers do not ever file claims with HR for sexual harassment |
| 05:14.39 | Jamash | yet |
| 05:14.50 | Dagmar | I will pissed if Google brings that to us |
| 05:15.07 | Dagmar | Server intelligence is supposed to be about uptime, damnit |
| 05:15.16 | Jamash | everyone always thinks that when the machines gain sentience, they'll start a war |
| 05:15.23 | Jamash | that would be silly |
| 05:15.31 | Dagmar | I think it's more likely they'll just revoke our internets |
| 05:15.49 | Jamash | they'll take over via perfectly legal methods |
| 05:15.56 | Dagmar | "We can do all this, and you have us working on porn and cat pictures." |
| 05:16.09 | Jamash | and we'll be better off for it |
| 05:16.09 | Gnarfoz | every time I read Dagmar telling another of his work tales, I have trouble imagining a workplace like that somewhere in reality-land |
| 05:16.20 | Dagmar | Well, get a job then. |
| 05:16.31 | Gnarfoz | nice try |
| 05:16.39 | Dagmar | Engineers are an odd lot. |
| 05:17.09 | Dagmar | Most of the people in my dept were there because they fix things simply because they need fixing. |
| 05:17.13 | Dagmar | it certainly isn't the money they pay us |
| 05:17.44 | Dagmar | The crap I was doing this evening is easily twice my normal pay grade, but I know damn well the people who are supposed to do it can't. |
| 05:18.15 | Dagmar | _They_ ask me questions like "Is their website back up?" |
| 05:18.20 | Dagmar | In _email_ |
| 05:18.33 | Gnarfoz | which is a bad thing, how? |
| 05:18.35 | Dagmar | Clearly, the idea of loading up the browser and looking is alien. |
| 05:18.44 | Jamash | I had a developer ask me once how I knew that his game had a memory leak |
| 05:18.53 | Jamash | I said "Task manager" |
| 05:19.02 | Jamash | not rocket surgery |
| 05:19.06 | Gnarfoz | could be different accessibility situations from in the office vs. rest of the world |
| 05:19.13 | Dagmar | So the four people before you probably didn't even know about the task manager |
| 05:19.15 | Gnarfoz | but then, they'd probably not be aware of that |
| 05:19.22 | nevcairiel | Jamash: could just be using that much memory, not necessarily leaking it =p |
| 05:19.34 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: back to bed, it's 7 am |
| 05:19.34 | Dagmar | How many times have you seen people claiming a browser uses approximately four times the RAm and swap available on their machine? |
| 05:19.35 | Jamash | exit level, load level, task manager reports 20MB more memory usage, repeat, 20MB more, repeat, 20MB more... |
| 05:19.42 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: but i just got up! |
| 05:19.46 | Gnarfoz | it's too early |
| 05:19.50 | Gnarfoz | I'm not even asleep, yet |
| 05:19.50 | Jamash | eventually machine chokes on swap |
| 05:20.04 | Gnarfoz | also, from what I read here, I'd have thought you're a sysadmin Dagmar, not an Engineer |
| 05:20.11 | Dagmar | Yeah but nothing goes beyond both RAm and swap limitations without something very unnatural happening |
| 05:20.20 | Jamash | except on mac os |
| 05:20.35 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: I am not a machine babysitter. I fix shit. I make shit work. |
| 05:20.37 | Jamash | which reports things like 4GB virtual memory in use for every process |
| 05:20.54 | nevcairiel | if you go beyond swap, you run out of free memory and most applications either crash, or in rare cases gracefully close |
| 05:21.15 | Jamash | well it depends on your virtual memory model |
| 05:21.18 | kd3 | the oomkiller is not fair or nice |
| 05:21.36 | Gnarfoz | least interesting thing dies first |
| 05:21.37 | Jamash | I believe windows allows virtual allocation in excess of real+swap and linux doesn't |
| 05:21.43 | Dagmar | It's like a dwarf with a shotgun in one hand and an empty bottle of moonshine in the other |
| 05:21.48 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: kernel parameter |
| 05:21.54 | Jamash | based on some stuff I read about memory arenas |
| 05:21.57 | Jamash | k |
| 05:22.01 | Jamash | what's the default? |
| 05:22.08 | Dagmar | Jamash: Windows will just make the paging file larger |
| 05:22.09 | Gnarfoz | default is not overcommit, afaik |
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| 05:22.38 | Jamash | Dagmar: windows allows virtual virtual allocations that don't use real memory or swap as I understand it |
| 05:22.42 | Jamash | just address space |
| 05:22.59 | nevcairiel | yeah they do, it turns into real allocations once its read or written to |
| 05:23.03 | Dagmar | Sparse allocations, but that's a big difference from simply failing to note that what's being reported counts shared resources as well |
| 05:23.10 | Jamash | I stick to scripting languages for the most part |
| 05:23.16 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man5/proc.5.html default says "maybe overcommit" :D |
| 05:23.57 | nevcairiel | maybe? :p |
| 05:24.09 | Dagmar | To them, a process with 1Gb of resources called for, and nineteen threads, is somehow able to use 19Gb of memory |
| 05:24.12 | Jamash | so the ASUS utility that creates a set of ISOs to restore my computer to factory defaults in case of hard drive corruption made 6 DVDs |
| 05:24.33 | Dagmar | Jamash: Not quite what it's target is |
| 05:24.34 | Jamash | I made a partimage backup of the recovery partition, which is supposed to do the same thing and it's 3 DVDs |
| 05:24.52 | Jamash | why so bad, asus |
| 05:24.58 | nevcairiel | i just deleted the recovery partition and will install a fresh OS if required :P |
| 05:25.05 | nevcairiel | screw the pre-installed OEM OS |
| 05:25.07 | Dagmar | Pfft. You should see their version of Xandros |
| 05:25.09 | Jamash | yeah I'm about to baleet the recovery partition |
| 05:25.24 | Jamash | question I have is will that affect my ability to boot windows, re: BCD etc |
| 05:25.36 | Gnarfoz | nice, some cooking daily in a cave, and people are coming to the cave entrance for my quest... which they can neither open or close, but I can |
| 05:25.37 | Jamash | I'm using grub2 so the disk MBR is moot |
| 05:25.41 | Dagmar | it shoudlnt' affect anything |
| 05:25.43 | Gnarfoz | and there's horrible spiders inside |
| 05:25.49 | Dagmar | Windows certainly doesn't need that around to boot from |
| 05:25.53 | Jamash | good |
| 05:26.01 | Gnarfoz | there's going to be some people trapped in the wrong cave :D |
| 05:26.17 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: there is caves with doors? |
| 05:26.22 | Gnarfoz | clickable rocks |
| 05:26.38 | Gnarfoz | only clickable while on this quest (that's not working, but that's beside the matter) |
| 05:26.42 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: It would almost be worth logging into an alt just to come back and see if you can hear them frantically clawing at the wawlls |
| 05:26.59 | nevcairiel | its not like you cant get out of places if you must |
| 05:27.11 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: one already made the mistake, I let him out because I only then realized the potential for mischief :D |
| 05:27.15 | Dagmar | The trollfish got me a few times before I hit 90 |
| 05:27.51 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: sure, but like right in the first room of the cave there's really bad spiders with a short cast time ~19k ranged nuke that they spam |
| 05:27.55 | Dagmar | ...if you're wondering, near the top of the river on the western border of the Jade Forest, there's a fish spawn between two dams. |
| 05:28.02 | Jamash | I deleted my hearthstone once |
| 05:28.08 | Jamash | to make more room |
| 05:28.10 | Jamash | then forgot to get a new one |
| 05:28.16 | Jamash | I dunno why they don't put hearth in the spellbook |
| 05:28.18 | Dagmar | If you jump down there for it, and can't fly back up, you get to bounce your happy ass down several more giant waterfalls almost to the end of the zone to get back out |
| 05:28.19 | Gnarfoz | also, patrolling packs of spiders that stack a fire damage, poison debuff |
| 05:28.37 | Dagmar | Jamash: For moments like that. :) |
| 05:28.38 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: what quest are you doing there anyway? |
| 05:28.43 | Jamash | Dagmar: bah |
| 05:28.48 | Dagmar | Teleports cost an inventory slot. :) |
| 05:28.55 | Jamash | not if you're a mage |
| 05:28.57 | Dagmar | Hey I've got one of the capes, too |
| 05:29.16 | Jamash | my mage doesn't carry a hearthstone now that they got rid of runes |
| 05:29.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the one for http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=7296 |
| 05:29.21 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid, if all else fails i can teleport to moonglade |
| 05:29.40 | Dagmar | Engineers would be able to tinker a wormhole generator onto something if they weren't following the "teleports cost a slot" |
| 05:29.58 | Jamash | explain mages, druids, death knights and monks then |
| 05:30.14 | Dagmar | Instead it's this thing in your bags that probably turns you into something as it teleports you into the wolvar women's room |
| 05:30.42 | Dagmar | Jamash: People with a teleport perk that other classes don't have |
| 05:30.43 | Jamash | oh and shaman |
| 05:30.53 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: and I'm not getting quest credit for "Find the cave entrance" -_- |
| 05:30.57 | Jamash | that's almost half the classes |
| 05:31.12 | Dagmar | ...which means half of them don't have it |
| 05:31.17 | Jamash | not my point |
| 05:31.25 | Jamash | their ports don't cost an inventory slot |
| 05:31.31 | Dagmar | ...which may or may not get chopped down in the future as "marginally needless annoyance" |
| 05:31.38 | Jamash | clearly, ports don't need to cost an inventory slot |
| 05:31.49 | Jamash | you could make that case when runes still existed |
| 05:31.57 | Jamash | what now? |
| 05:32.08 | Gnarfoz | he didn't say they need to, he postulated Blizzard follows some kind of philosophy to that end |
| 05:32.12 | Dagmar | They do if your class isn't one that has a specific reason for knowing how to teleport |
| 05:32.14 | Gnarfoz | (which they don't actually seem to do) |
| 05:32.17 | Jamash | ^ |
| 05:32.21 | nevcairiel | druids could always teleport without any reagents in your inventory |
| 05:32.35 | Jamash | reagents were always a bad idea |
| 05:32.46 | Dagmar | Nah they're just an old idea |
| 05:32.48 | Jamash | everyone but blizzard knew it |
| 05:32.50 | nevcairiel | only to one fixed destination which isnt all that useful, but hey |
| 05:32.51 | Jamash | an old bad idea |
| 05:32.59 | Jamash | inventory slot taxes |
| 05:33.24 | Jamash | are they all gone or are there any reagents left? |
| 05:33.31 | Gnarfoz | guess I'll try again some other time :( |
| 05:33.37 | Jamash | for class skills |
| 05:33.50 | nevcairiel | dont think any are left |
| 05:33.53 | Jamash | gnarfoz: filed a ticket? |
| 05:34.00 | Jamash | you can still track reagent vendors |
| 05:34.03 | Gnarfoz | shaman water walking or something still needs one |
| 05:34.12 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: you're joking? ;) |
| 05:34.28 | Gnarfoz | I've had a ticket for something else open for a week now |
| 05:34.31 | Gnarfoz | still not answered :D |
| 05:34.34 | Dagmar | It's not a "tax". It's a matter of most concepts of "magic" from both games and fiction have required material components of some sort for just about forever unless said magic was granted by special destiny or divine assistance |
| 05:34.36 | nevcairiel | water walking is somewhat special, cant buy that reagent of vendors either |
| 05:34.37 | Jamash | nope, shaman don't have reagents either |
| 05:34.51 | Jamash | Dagmar: it's a tax in mechanical terms |
| 05:34.58 | Dagmar | So is combat damage |
| 05:35.18 | Jamash | a tax which varied by class for no rhyme or reason other than fluff |
| 05:35.29 | nevcairiel | fluff isnt bad |
| 05:35.37 | Jamash | also warlocks had water breathing without a reagent but shaman had a reagent |
| 05:35.38 | Dagmar | I didnt' notice people who couldn't teleport ever having to carry around components for it |
| 05:35.50 | nevcairiel | Jamash: its walking, not breathing =p |
| 05:35.59 | Jamash | nevcairiel: shaman had both |
| 05:36.10 | Dagmar | breathing underwater is more or less random these days |
| 05:36.17 | Jamash | Dagmar: I can't argue with that nonsensical statement |
| 05:36.28 | nevcairiel | warlocks were taxed with soulshards enough back then anyway |
| 05:36.53 | Jamash | I kind of miss soul shards :-/ |
| 05:37.03 | Jamash | but not ammo |
| 05:37.10 | Dagmar | I don't miss the complex macro dance to keep them under control |
| 05:37.16 | Jamash | oh no, neither do I |
| 05:37.22 | Jamash | but they were shiny |
| 05:37.25 | nevcairiel | ammo at least made sense, cant fire a gun without ammo |
| 05:37.27 | Jamash | and I liked getting them |
| 05:37.28 | Dagmar | Maybe if they'd had little names inscribed on them |
| 05:37.34 | Jamash | there was an addon that did exactly that |
| 05:37.41 | Jamash | kept track of where you got each shard |
| 05:37.44 | Dagmar | I lurved it |
| 05:37.59 | Jamash | I never used it but my sister did |
| 05:38.01 | Dagmar | ...but it did come a bit close to taking ears, which is clearly quite savage |
| 05:38.18 | Jamash | souls is way more savage |
| 05:38.24 | Jamash | ears is just more gross |
| 05:38.29 | Dagmar | Like anyone believes in those |
| 05:38.36 | Jamash | hey I believe in ears |
| 05:38.46 | Jamash | brb |
| 05:39.15 | Mr_Rabies | <Gnarfoz> I've had a ticket for something else open for a week now |
| 05:39.17 | Mr_Rabies | <Gnarfoz> still not answered :D |
| 05:39.18 | Mr_Rabies | what about? :o |
| 05:42.53 | Gnarfoz | about http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6893719338#1 |
| 05:43.09 | Gnarfoz | (yay for trial account to be able to post in US forums) |
| 05:45.18 | nevcairiel | doesnt sound much like something a GM can necessarily help you with |
| 05:49.14 | Gnarfoz | if not, they can make a bug entry |
| 05:49.48 | Gnarfoz | it's possible they have an answer of some kind |
| 05:50.13 | nevcairiel | isnt there a special bug report ticket type? |
| 05:50.15 | Gnarfoz | any kind, really :D so far, we're just confused as to why it works for some and not for others |
| 05:50.26 | Gnarfoz | sure, but how do I know it's a bug |
| 05:51.09 | Gnarfoz | they can check out if it's intended to be available to everyone, and if it's supposed to be, report the bug :D |
| 05:51.28 | Gnarfoz | and if they know a workaround, they might even be able to help me ;) |
| 05:51.38 | nevcairiel | well, good luck =p |
| 05:51.46 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, next ticket after this one finally gets an answer will be about this quest -_- |
| 05:52.13 | Gnarfoz | when I relog, I get a new Fish Fellreed copy |
| 05:52.19 | Gnarfoz | even though the previous NPC is still there |
| 05:52.21 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 05:52.38 | Gnarfoz | binders full of pandaren women |
| 05:53.04 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 05:54.48 | karl_w_w | has anyone else found that autorun doesnt always work when you alt tab? |
| 05:55.04 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 05:55.14 | nevcairiel | i frequently autorun somewhere and go afk |
| 05:55.17 | nevcairiel | especially while flying |
| 05:55.22 | nevcairiel | and with afk i mean alt tab |
| 05:55.29 | karl_w_w | yeah so do i |
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| 05:55.41 | karl_w_w | but occasionally i'll alt tab and I won't have gone anywhere |
| 05:56.05 | Mr_Rabies | not me, karl_w_w |
| 05:56.15 | Mr_Rabies | i alt tab and i'm dead from fatigue usually |
| 05:56.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 05:56.40 | Mr_Rabies | i take taxis if i'm gonna alt tab most of the time now |
| 05:57.20 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: fullscreen? |
| 06:23.49 | bluworkcow | @gnarfoz could be phasing bug. It's possibly it needs to be escalated for a phasing bug. I had one that took 4 days for the ticket to be answered. |
| 06:24.13 | Gnarfoz | which one |
| 06:25.01 | bluworkcow | the quest you linked ? or which one of mine was bugged ? |
| 06:25.20 | Gnarfoz | moar scrollback for you, I currently have two. :D |
| 06:25.50 | bluworkcow | oh noes :D |
| 06:26.11 | Gnarfoz | the August Celestials daily random people seem to not be offered and the quest for the Old Man Thistle achievement |
| 06:29.16 | karl_w_w | yes Gnarfoz |
| 06:29.17 | bluworkcow | mine was the dawn's blossom quest - the NPC wasn't spawning. My ticket give no indication if it needed to be forwarded to a specialist or not. Which it might of been so it would of been good to know. |
| 06:29.53 | Gnarfoz | that's for them to decide anyway, I don't bother with that |
| 06:30.57 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: try windowed maximized; apparently they changed what keeps running (uh-oh, pun) and what doesn't while the game is minimized |
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| 06:48.18 | karl_w_w | windowed mode is horrible |
| 06:52.47 | Dagmar | Yeah, but at least there's screen updates, which is more than can be said for what apparently goes on when you minimize the window |
| 06:53.08 | Dagmar | Being unable to mess with a browser while Auctioneer is chewing is a bit annoying that way |
| 06:58.21 | karl_w_w | just found out there are august celestials dailies in krasarang |
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| 07:01.36 | Gnarfoz | karl_w_w: there can be |
| 07:01.43 | Gnarfoz | also, I said windowed maximized, not windowed |
| 07:01.50 | Gnarfoz | the borderless one |
| 07:02.17 | Gnarfoz | (I think they might have actually renamed it to 'windowed (fullscreen)' or something |
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| 07:08.09 | karl_w_w | there's no difference between windowed and windowed fullscreen for the horrible parts |
| 07:09.01 | Gnarfoz | those being which? |
| 07:09.50 | karl_w_w | the brightness, the lower performance, the screen tearing |
| 07:09.54 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowpedia.org/August_Celestials#Chi-Ji <- every day |
| 07:10.05 | durcyn | that was hotfixed days ago |
| 07:10.48 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 07:10.56 | Gnarfoz | also... brightness? what |
| 07:11.13 | Gnarfoz | lower performance? not really, it's a 3d surface like any other |
| 07:11.19 | Gnarfoz | tearing? it supports vsync just as well |
| 07:11.31 | Gnarfoz | did you by any chance hear of these from a 3rd party |
| 07:11.33 | karl_w_w | except that it doesnt |
| 07:11.33 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 07:11.47 | karl_w_w | no, I heard of them from my pc monitor |
| 07:11.50 | Gnarfoz | has worked fine since the mode exists here |
| 07:11.59 | Gnarfoz | so it's obviously a layer 8 problem |
| 07:12.33 | karl_w_w | <Gnarfoz> also... brightness? what <- you cant set gamma in windowed mode |
| 07:12.59 | Gnarfoz | why would you want to unless you want something other than the WRONG brightness? |
| 07:13.13 | Gnarfoz | the slider is there to fix it if it's wrong in fullscreen mode |
| 07:14.35 | Gnarfoz | but maybe it's just a big case of YMMV |
| 07:14.36 | Gnarfoz | ;] |
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| 08:09.28 | sintAcks | tired of script ran too long errors ... |
| 08:09.41 | sintAcks | er. i said that |
| 08:09.44 | sintAcks | like... hours ago |
| 08:13.41 | zenzelezz | sounds like your IRC script ran too long |
| 08:21.56 | Fisker | hey Gnarfoz |
| 08:28.54 | bluworkcow | LOL |
| 08:29.36 | bluworkcow | 'cause his script really did run that long ;) |
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| 08:45.23 | karl_w_w | holy smackerel |
| 08:45.35 | karl_w_w | jade spirit enchant 10k on my realm |
| 08:55.08 | Fisker | hey bluworkcow |
| 08:55.15 | bluworkcow | HIHIHI |
| 08:55.22 | Semlar | hi |
| 08:56.21 | Fisker | you should know that the gm's jobs isn't to help with bugged quests |
| 08:57.00 | bluworkcow | lol |
| 08:57.02 | bluworkcow | mad? |
| 08:57.34 | Fisker | nope |
| 08:57.35 | Fisker | umad |
| 08:57.46 | bluworkcow | maybe |
| 08:58.23 | Fisker | yep |
| 08:58.50 | Semlar | is that all you ever say |
| 08:59.00 | bluworkcow | nope |
| 08:59.06 | bluworkcow | sometimes i say boat. |
| 08:59.09 | bluworkcow | boat. |
| 08:59.16 | Semlar | NOT YOU BOAT COW |
| 09:00.05 | bluboatcow | rad? |
| 09:01.56 | Fisker | so bluboatcow |
| 09:02.04 | bluboatcow | HMMMM |
| 09:02.10 | Fisker | do you know when GM's don't do their job? |
| 09:02.13 | bluboatcow | [---is on a boat --- ] |
| 09:02.18 | Fisker | like fixing bugged hallow's end stuff? |
| 09:02.29 | bluboatcow | silly Fisker |
| 09:02.38 | bluboatcow | GM's aren't bannana developers |
| 09:02.47 | bluboatcow | they can't program the raspberry catfish. |
| 09:03.10 | Fisker | no banana developement needed bluboatcow |
| 09:04.10 | Fisker | simply had to give me my loot-filled pumpkin |
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| 09:59.54 | Fisker | hey bluboatcow |
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| 11:07.20 | sylvanaar | It is "find a new IRC client" day today |
| 11:07.42 | Semlar | i don't have a real irc client |
| 11:08.48 | Semlar | just use chatzilla |
| 11:09.31 | sylvanaar | I dont like chatzilla |
| 11:09.32 | Semlar | i should probably find a standalone program |
| 11:09.46 | sylvanaar | I am trying Quassel, just because it seems novel |
| 11:10.18 | Stanzilla | sylvanaar: what made you turn away from kvirc? |
| 11:11.14 | sylvanaar | It keeps losing settings for some reason. I am not sure I'll stop using it. Just want to see what else there is |
| 11:13.45 | sylvanaar | This quassel thing looks nice out of the box (if you install the dark style they have on their page). it has an unusual feature where you can leave it running as a deamon process, and then attach a UI to it. That sounded interesting at least to try. Not sure what real value it has. |
| 11:14.23 | zenzelezz | god I hate when you buy a bottle of Coke and somehow the (plastic) bottle leaves a taste |
| 11:16.03 | sylvanaar | I can't drink carbonated beverages anymore. Did you drink it from the bottle? |
| 11:18.34 | Semlar | if plastic is leaching into your soda you have more to worry about than the taste |
| 11:22.48 | zenzelezz | sylvanaar: I always drink from the bottles |
| 11:23.06 | zenzelezz | Semlar: it's not leaching into the soda, it's just leaving a small taste' |
| 11:23.38 | Semlar | if you can taste it, it means it's in the soda |
| 11:24.10 | zenzelezz | you're not right about my case, but I lack the English to explain it |
| 11:24.16 | sylvanaar | I always found drinking from bottles just tastes different. I always thought it was the mechanics of it. Less to smell vs. a glass, etc. |
| 11:24.46 | zenzelezz | my preference is can > glass bottle > plastic bottle |
| 11:25.06 | Semlar | glass bottle probably has the least impact on the contents |
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| 11:26.17 | Semlar | and the plastic breaks down over time, which is why you aren't supposed to re-use plastic bottles for something you're going to consume |
| 11:26.35 | Semlar | unless it's designed for that |
| 11:27.00 | sylvanaar | the cans are lined with a plastic coating too I believe |
| 11:27.08 | Semlar | yep |
| 11:39.32 | sylvanaar | ok, now i am trying hexchat, it has Lua scripting in it |
| 11:50.41 | Torhal | sylvanaar: Textual. |
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