| 00:07.56 | Vladinator | is it possible to re-create the glyph ui or is there api that are protected? |
| 00:08.25 | Torhal | ... |
| 00:08.37 | Vladinator | :( |
| 00:08.47 | Torhal | Think really hard on that. |
| 00:08.50 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:09.13 | Torhal | If using a variable can cause hell, imagine replacing the whole damn thing. |
| 00:09.14 | Vladinator | I guess there is protected api with no secure template support so we can't do it? otherwise I bet id see custom glyph addons. |
| 00:09.17 | mckenziemc | taints Torhal. |
| 00:09.24 | Vladinator | taints mckenziemc. |
| 00:09.25 | Torhal | chickenifies mckenziemc. |
| 00:09.59 | mckenziemc | releases potassium hydride. |
| 00:10.26 | Vladinator | absorbs the potassium hydride. |
| 00:11.08 | Torhal | mixes bleach and ammonia via large splashes onto mckenziemc. |
| 00:11.56 | mckenziemc | - while already dead - watches Torhal burst into flames as the potassium hydride reacts with the bleach and ammonia |
| 00:12.08 | Torhal | Weirdo. |
| 00:12.56 | mckenziemc | attempted killer |
| 00:14.19 | Humbedooh | mckenziemc |
| 00:14.44 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: nevermind i got it |
| 00:15.33 | Vladinator | http://vlacula.no-ip.com/flash2/?familyguy&f |
| 00:16.16 | mckenziemc | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Chip-pan-fire.jpg o.o |
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| 00:37.19 | Adys | new ubuntu name announce |
| 00:37.27 | Adys | Raring Ringtail. |
| 00:39.25 | Stanzilla | i always call ubuntu "Fucking Fail" but that's just me |
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| 00:56.14 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Actually it's simpler than one might think, but I suspect you found that out the moment you ran vgscan |
| 00:56.33 | Arrowmaster | i just ran export on it even though it wasnt imported and it worked |
| 00:56.34 | Dagmar | If LVM knows to even look for the device/partition, it'll just read it's own tags and repopulate the database |
| 00:57.00 | Arrowmaster | vgimport bitched that it wasnt exported so i just ran vgexport and vgimport worked |
| 00:57.06 | Dagmar | It freaked me the hell out hte first time since I'd carefully backed up the conf files and somehow it already knew what the drives were for on the next boot |
| 00:58.12 | Dagmar | Definitely a "WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!" moment |
| 00:58.48 | Dagmar | It may be that possibly flags about snapshots and maybe some striping params don't get stored with the volumes themselves, but I've not run into it |
| 00:59.14 | Dagmar | ...and it's not like a block or two of overhead is much to ask for |
| 00:59.37 | Arrowmaster | i still need to decide how i want to do my next install when i get around to reinstalling my desktop |
| 00:59.49 | Dagmar | Boot partition, non-LVm. Everything else, LVm. |
| 01:00.00 | Dagmar | It's not a decision that can be regrettable |
| 01:00.23 | Arrowmaster | i mean do i want to use mdadm to make a raid1 or just do a mirror in lvm |
| 01:00.44 | Dagmar | Just do it all through LVM |
| 01:00.46 | Arrowmaster | do i want to follow up with a luks encrypt |
| 01:01.12 | Dagmar | Those are easier to do opportunistically, and there's not really any serious overhead |
| 01:01.14 | Arrowmaster | if i do mdadm i can mirror the /boot though |
| 01:01.43 | Dagmar | That's true, but it also limits the things you can boot it from in a hurry |
| 01:01.58 | Arrowmaster | i also think this time ill only make / /boot and /home partitions |
| 01:01.59 | Dagmar | Whatever you boot from has to be able to read through that |
| 01:02.23 | Arrowmaster | i made everything its own partition last time and wasted a ton of space |
| 01:02.43 | Dagmar | If you look at the way Ubuntu and RedHat do /home, it's much cleaner than I thought it would be |
| 01:02.53 | Arrowmaster | whats that? |
| 01:02.59 | Dagmar | You login, PAM unlocks the luks file and mounts it over /home/yername |
| 01:03.14 | Dagmar | ...and it grows as needed |
| 01:03.33 | Arrowmaster | i thought ubuntu was using encfs |
| 01:03.34 | Dagmar | Otherwise the things are somewhat difficult about when you have more htan one user |
| 01:03.47 | Dagmar | I assumed they were the same mechanisms |
| 01:03.56 | Dagmar | I type some things, it works, I'm happy |
| 01:04.09 | Arrowmaster | encfs encrypts each file |
| 01:04.15 | Dagmar | Oh then definitely not |
| 01:04.39 | Dagmar | logged in as someone else, you just see a rather skeletal /home/thatname and a big ass encrypted file |
| 01:05.34 | Arrowmaster | wonder how that deals with ~/.ssh |
| 01:05.52 | Dagmar | This is why it's good you've still got a _skeletal_ homedir |
| 01:06.22 | Dagmar | The unencrypted ~/.ssh is still quite accessible |
| 01:06.43 | Dagmar | It just means if you're so looney as to shell back into the machine, sshd will only see the encrypted one |
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| 02:01.21 | Jamash | why not encrypt the entire partition? |
| 02:01.44 | Jamash | oh does luks provide per-user keys? |
| 02:01.48 | Jamash | that's interesting |
| 02:02.48 | Jamash | I wish they'd get done with btrfs already |
| 02:14.03 | kd3 | whee; the top story of greater atlanta happened about 3 miles away from my house |
| 02:14.18 | kd3 | http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/police-shoot-man-while-serving-warrant-paulding-co/nSgB7/ |
| 02:17.39 | Ressy | http://www.blizzplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/mop-celebration-oct-17-2012-twitter-15.jpg |
| 02:17.43 | Ressy | crazy. |
| 02:25.08 | Kraps | whats this about |
| 02:27.25 | Ressy | blizzard celebrations today |
| 02:30.43 | Kraps | why |
| 02:32.19 | Thunder_Child | Kraps: the url says |
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| 02:33.40 | Jamash | you know people go on about blizzard including farmville and pokemon in mists, and plants vs zombies in cata, but blizzard had progress quest years ago |
| 02:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | <kd3> whee; the top story of greater atlanta happened about 3 miles away from my house |
| 02:33.47 | Mr_Rabies | we live really, really close apparently kd3 |
| 02:33.48 | Mr_Rabies | :X |
| 02:33.58 | kd3 | paulding county? |
| 02:34.53 | Mr_Rabies | close enough |
| 02:35.02 | Jamash | Mr_Rabies: 722 elm street? kd3: 720 elm st. both: OMG |
| 02:35.10 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:35.11 | Mr_Rabies | i prefer to keep my exact whereabouts a mystery |
| 02:35.23 | kd3 | eh |
| 02:35.28 | Jamash | adjusts his icbm launcher |
| 02:35.44 | Jamash | always good to get more than one target with a single launch |
| 02:35.53 | Mr_Rabies | but hiram's about a half-hour from my house :p |
| 02:36.10 | Jamash | everywhere's a half hour from an icbm launcher |
| 02:36.21 | Jamash | just sayin' |
| 02:38.22 | Mr_Rabies | much like your mother |
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| 03:29.32 | Kraps | is monster power 1 more difficult than "normal" or easier |
| 03:29.44 | Jamash | any MP is harder than none |
| 03:30.26 | Kraps | DAMMIT |
| 03:30.34 | Jamash | especially in inferno, where all monsters are level 63 regardless of act |
| 03:30.40 | Jamash | in MP1 and above |
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| 04:49.39 | kd3 | ugh, it feels weird doing a sarth3d run at 90 |
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| 05:58.06 | starlon | Anyone else have trouble mousing over BMAH items and getting a tooltip to show? |
| 05:58.34 | starlon | a /reload usually fixes it, but how annoying... |
| 06:01.43 | Primer | argh, why is windows such a POS |
| 06:01.54 | Primer | seems my box swaps like mad when I run 2 instances of wow |
| 06:02.11 | Primer | but neither is using more than about 1.6g of memory, and my machine has 8g of ram |
| 06:02.15 | Primer | running 64 bit wow too |
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| 06:05.29 | Shirik | just got home from work :( |
| 06:05.43 | Mike-N-Go | Primer: Did you stager the starts? |
| 06:05.52 | Mike-N-Go | Shirik: Good morning. |
| 06:06.22 | Primer | Mike-N-Go: well, I usually just run one, then when I need to dual box, I run the other |
| 06:06.28 | Primer | not sure why that makes a difference |
| 06:06.51 | Primer | it just seems that windog is being overly aggressive with its swapping |
| 06:07.03 | Mike-N-Go | I mean, did you open WoWA, login, then open and login with WoWB? |
| 06:07.33 | Primer | not usually, no. One is already running, logged in, on a toon |
| 06:07.42 | Primer | then I start the other |
| 06:07.45 | Mike-N-Go | It might help to stagger the start times, so the allocated memory is sequential, but I do not know for sure. |
| 06:08.01 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, okay, that was what I was going to recommend to try.. |
| 06:08.02 | Primer | I doubt that makes a difference |
| 06:09.27 | Primer | I just wish I could run "free" |
| 06:09.37 | Primer | and see exactly how much I'm into swap |
| 06:09.49 | Primer | I have an SSD, and the pagefile is on the mechanical drive |
| 06:10.01 | Mike-N-Go | Are you running them from two different physical hard drives? |
| 06:10.07 | Primer | every time shit starts to slow down, the drive light comes on |
| 06:10.09 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, SSD, that makes things diffrent.. |
| 06:10.13 | Primer | uhhh why would I do that? |
| 06:10.18 | Primer | it's the same install... |
| 06:10.30 | Primer | wonders if he's being trolled... |
| 06:10.36 | Mike-N-Go | I am not trolling. |
| 06:11.08 | Mike-N-Go | If you are running 2 instances of WoW from the same directory, you might run into problems. |
| 06:11.12 | Primer | why? |
| 06:11.23 | Mike-N-Go | Saved variables, for one. |
| 06:11.36 | Primer | those aren't written until the game exits |
| 06:11.43 | Primer | and each runs a separate account |
| 06:11.53 | Primer | so no conflict there |
| 06:12.03 | Primer | err until the character logs out, that is |
| 06:12.15 | Mike-N-Go | I dunno enough about your setup to aid. |
| 06:12.44 | Primer | heh, what's to know? |
| 06:13.03 | Primer | there's a box, a drive, 2 instances of wow |
| 06:13.36 | Primer | I just want to know why it's swapping the process exploder says all the memory allocation is far less than the total amount of physical memory on the machine |
| 06:14.06 | Mike-N-Go | Using two drives (preferably on separate busses) with a copy of WoW on the two devises might be a test condition to see if you still have the same problem. |
| 06:14.08 | kd3 | because windows goes 'oh, hey, look. there's a process using a ram. let's see what I can swap out.' |
| 06:14.16 | kd3 | s/a ram/ram/ |
| 06:14.29 | Mike-N-Go | I am a Mac Linux guy, so I do not know much of windowz. |
| 06:14.39 | Primer | I'm Linux too |
| 06:15.01 | Primer | I know Linux very well, in fact |
| 06:15.13 | Primer | I know Linux does the same thing |
| 06:15.28 | Primer | I really want iostat for windog |
| 06:15.52 | Primer | so I can see exactly which drive is incurring the IO |
| 06:16.04 | Mike-N-Go | Linux has a 'swapeyness' thing. |
| 06:16.16 | kd3 | procexp can't give that to you? |
| 06:16.17 | Primer | pretty much every OS does nowadays |
| 06:16.22 | Primer | not that I can find |
| 06:16.26 | Mike-N-Go | If you can set it to prefer to not swap, it might help. |
| 06:16.35 | Primer | all I can do is disable swap |
| 06:16.46 | kd3 | windows /really/ doesn't like that |
| 06:16.48 | Primer | from what I've read, you can't tune it |
| 06:16.50 | Primer | I know |
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| 06:18.43 | Mike-N-Go | Why is Windows so broken? |
| 06:18.54 | Primer | it just sucks |
| 06:19.24 | nevcairiel | didnt you just say linux does the same thing? |
| 06:19.33 | nevcairiel | so everything sucks, yes? :) |
| 06:19.49 | Primer | but Linux is tunable |
| 06:20.07 | Primer | as well as open source, should you decide the tuning is insufficient |
| 06:20.14 | Mike-N-Go | nevcairiel: If everything sucks, then what blows? |
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| 06:21.45 | nevcairiel | in any case, plenty people multibox with more then one client even, and their clients must run at some acceptable speed |
| 06:21.52 | nevcairiel | er, more then two i meant |
| 06:24.31 | nevcairiel | instead of disabling the pagefile you can also shrink it so windows is unlikely to just swap things in there for the sake of swapping |
| 06:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 06:28.57 | Mr_Rabies | i hate how the fishing bug is back |
| 06:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | where the cast will run out just as the fish grabs the bait |
| 06:29.07 | karl_w_w | fishing bug? |
| 06:29.14 | Mr_Rabies | so you can't get it |
| 06:29.17 | kd3 | grr, yah. that's getting annoying |
| 06:29.32 | karl_w_w | what u do is click the bobber at 1s left |
| 06:30.07 | kd3 | that would involve actually looking at wow while I'm fishing |
| 06:31.17 | karl_w_w | ok so set up an audio alert when there's 2s left |
| 06:31.42 | Mr_Rabies | i wish you could hotkey the bobber at least |
| 06:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | i really dislike fishing |
| 06:33.24 | karl_w_w | so dont do it |
| 06:34.29 | Mr_Rabies | i need it for cooking :( |
| 06:34.50 | karl_w_w | I didn't realise there were bop fish |
| 06:34.56 | karl_w_w | that are needed for cooking |
| 06:35.01 | Mr_Rabies | they're like 20g each on my realm |
| 06:35.01 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 06:35.27 | Mr_Rabies | something near 1000g just to get 600 in way of the wok is nuts |
| 06:35.28 | nevcairiel | fishing isnt that bad |
| 06:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | it's just |
| 06:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | the mechanics suck |
| 06:35.37 | Mr_Rabies | royally |
| 06:35.43 | Mr_Rabies | i wish it was more interesting somehow |
| 06:35.44 | karl_w_w | so dont do it |
| 06:35.48 | Mr_Rabies | more interactive and less time consuming |
| 06:35.51 | nevcairiel | its like real fishing |
| 06:35.52 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 06:35.58 | Mr_Rabies | no it's not :( |
| 06:36.04 | nevcairiel | boring and time consuming |
| 06:36.07 | nevcairiel | seems to fit |
| 06:36.13 | Mr_Rabies | not one have i had to aim anything at my bobber to catch a fish |
| 06:36.17 | karl_w_w | what is this shortage of logic where wow players think the only way to get something is to farm it yourself? |
| 06:36.19 | Mr_Rabies | once* |
| 06:36.36 | Mr_Rabies | karl_w_w, it effectively is this early |
| 06:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | it's a huge, massive waste of money to buy it on the AH right now |
| 06:36.58 | karl_w_w | we've had this concept of trade for millenia |
| 06:37.12 | karl_w_w | now a game comes along and suddenly people are prehistoric morons |
| 06:37.33 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, but the world doesn't typically endure a world-changing economy reset every few years |
| 06:37.54 | kd3 | well, we could destroy the USD |
| 06:37.56 | kd3 | >.> |
| 06:37.57 | karl_w_w | implying new, expensive things are never invented |
| 06:37.58 | Mr_Rabies | where supply and demand go way out of proportion |
| 06:38.23 | Mr_Rabies | i think you're being needlessly obtuse here karl_w_w |
| 06:38.33 | Mr_Rabies | would you spend 5-7k to level cooking? |
| 06:38.42 | karl_w_w | you effectively did |
| 06:38.48 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just saying it has shitty mechanics and is a relic of an age long ago |
| 06:38.58 | karl_w_w | whether you fish them up yourself, you still used that value of fish |
| 06:39.10 | Mr_Rabies | arguably |
| 06:39.16 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt they're selling at that rate |
| 06:39.26 | zenzio | protip: If you leave a bunch of planks lying around on your floor "temporarily", do not kick your heel into them at night (or any other time of day). Just got to work, and whenever I walk it feels like there's a stone in my shoe |
| 06:40.23 | kd3 | ow |
| 06:40.54 | kd3 | looks at the big toe he sliced open on a part of his computer case ~8 months back |
| 06:41.05 | kd3 | blood, blood everywhere |
| 06:41.11 | zenzio | ouch :-o How did that happen? |
| 06:41.33 | Mr_Rabies | kd3 was using his primate abilities to work on a computer with his feet |
| 06:41.37 | kd3 | I took one of the side panels off so I could get into the case and set it leaning up against a dresser |
| 06:42.11 | kd3 | I tripped over myself or slipped or something equally stupid and basically kicked it hard enough to break my skin |
| 06:42.36 | kd3 | and it's not even sharp - rounded edges on all four sides |
| 06:43.36 | Mr_Rabies | i've been cut by so many computers it's ridiculous |
| 06:43.51 | Mr_Rabies | i probably should have gone to the doctor and checked on my tetanus status |
| 06:43.58 | Mr_Rabies | :effort: |
| 06:44.12 | Mr_Rabies | also i'm too poor to just go to the doctor willy-nilly |
| 06:44.33 | kd3 | thinks |
| 06:45.27 | kd3 | last tetanus shot was... sophomore year of college? 2004? took a corner wrong on my bicycle and road-rashed the daylights out of my right arm |
| 06:46.01 | kd3 | yay for the campus voodoo hut and cheap tetanus shots, I guess |
| 06:46.14 | zenzio | ouch >.< |
| 06:47.25 | kd3 | I'm probably overdue for another shot, to keep the streak of getting one every ~7 years alive |
| 06:47.47 | Mr_Rabies | when i was going to UWG, i really took how cheap the healthcare was there for granted |
| 06:47.48 | Mr_Rabies | i mean |
| 06:47.56 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i was paying for it |
| 06:48.12 | zenzio | my worst bike accident was on my first day of my first summer job. Was biking to work, down a windy, slightly steep road; not normally a problem. That day it was raining though, and being the bright young teen I was then (though it's arguable whether I'm much smarter now) I was using one hand to hold on to the jacket hood to keep my head dry. It all went fine until I got to the bottom and hit a sudden bump, sent me nosediving. Combination hands+helmet k |
| 06:48.12 | zenzio | ept my face off the ground, but my glasses ended up on the road (and hands hurt, as always) |
| 06:48.13 | Mr_Rabies | but damn, it's expensive in the real world :( |
| 06:48.47 | amro | Shirik: ping |
| 06:48.52 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't ridden a bike in probably 10 years or more :x |
| 06:49.06 | kd3 | only here in the states. in the rest of the world where healthcare is properly nationalized, eh, not so insanely overpriced |
| 06:49.47 | zenzio | I've got no license, so I bike semi-regularly (depending on time of year) |
| 06:50.03 | Mr_Rabies | well, i'm sure decent healthcare is way cheaper here than say, tribal regions of africa |
| 06:50.07 | amro | or anyone who's familiar with c/c++ internals, take a look at this |
| 06:50.08 | zenzio | most of the year when there's no snow/ice I bike to work (and did to school) |
| 06:50.09 | amro | http://static.mninja.org/images/WTF.png |
| 06:50.13 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could zenzio :( |
| 06:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | not viable here |
| 06:50.25 | Mr_Rabies | closest town is about 20 miles |
| 06:50.34 | zenzio | ah, that would make things difficult |
| 06:50.48 | kd3 | bikes in greater atlanta are a bad idea unless you live/work somewhere like in atlantic station |
| 06:50.51 | zenzio | I'm about five or six kilometers from work |
| 06:50.54 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 06:51.00 | Mr_Rabies | even a bike in atlanta proper is a bad idea |
| 06:51.11 | Mr_Rabies | you can't just avoid the ghetto like a lot of cities |
| 06:51.19 | kd3 | amro; WTF |
| 06:51.24 | Mr_Rabies | the ghetto is -everywhere- |
| 06:51.33 | amro | kd3: wtf indeed. any idea what it could be? |
| 06:51.37 | Mr_Rabies | government housing and graffiti right next to $300 a night hotels |
| 06:51.41 | amro | some context: look at the right, there's a call across dlls |
| 06:51.50 | amro | I suspect something about call conventions |
| 06:52.19 | Mr_Rabies | also people cannot drive at all in atlanta |
| 06:52.37 | Mr_Rabies | i refuse to drive in atlanta proper, because i know i will get in an acciden |
| 06:52.39 | Mr_Rabies | t |
| 06:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | just being a passenger almost gives me a heart attack every time we go |
| 06:53.13 | zenzio | on Windows, aren't generally all exposed DLL methods using the C calling convention? (extern "C") I believe you can use others, but from what I've heard it's not very common |
| 06:53.30 | kd3 | I learned to drive downtown; it doesn't scare my any more, but I try to not think about it too hard |
| 06:54.01 | Mr_Rabies | i'm even more worried about hitting homeless people than hitting cars |
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| 06:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | they have absolutely zero fear of getting hit anymore |
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| 06:54.42 | zenzio | ... so I *still* can't remember that I'm not at home, where IRC is not on the same computer as everything else... should disable ctrl+W |
| 06:54.58 | Mr_Rabies | last year at dragoncon, a homeless guy ran across the street in heavy traffic yelling Y'ALL SCARED? |
| 06:55.04 | Mr_Rabies | dancing and dodging cars |
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| 07:14.03 | starlon | Whoever designed the blackmarket AH needs a lethal dose of rat poison. |
| 07:14.26 | starlon | I just spent 10k trying to bid on t3 only to bid on a crap companion pet I already own. :/ |
| 07:14.50 | zenzio | say what? How does that happen? |
| 07:15.12 | starlon | It's a crap UI. It has two places to bid, the one you're supposed to bid with is down at the bottom out of the way. |
| 07:15.43 | starlon | The other place you bid is the Featured Item area. |
| 07:16.00 | starlon | GM's going to say "We're not allowed to interfere with the black market." |
| 07:17.32 | zenzio | is the pet BOP? |
| 07:17.54 | starlon | yes |
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| 07:18.12 | starlon | I think it comes from a quest iirc |
| 07:18.22 | starlon | shimmering wyrmling |
| 07:19.40 | starlon | saved up all that gold just for this opportunity and I go and fuck it up. |
| 07:19.48 | zenzio | seems it can drop from the mystical blah blah satchels, or be purchased from the WotLK tournament thingamajig |
| 07:19.56 | starlon | ah |
| 07:21.48 | Gnarfoz | [09:14:25] <starlon> I just spent 10k trying to bid on t3 only to bid on a crap companion pet I already own. :/ <-- ahahaha I did the same last night... *curses* |
| 07:21.56 | Gnarfoz | worst prat, the pet costs 50g from the npc in Dalaran |
| 07:22.05 | Gnarfoz | I have it at least twice :C |
| 07:22.13 | starlon | :/ |
| 07:22.25 | starlon | Did you talk to a GM? |
| 07:22.26 | zenzio | which pet is that Gnarfoz? |
| 07:22.44 | Gnarfoz | starlon: with ticket wait times like these? ^^ no. I already have a ticket open regarding something else |
| 07:22.51 | starlon | ah |
| 07:22.53 | Gnarfoz | zenzio: obsidian hatchling |
| 07:23.13 | Gnarfoz | dang, all rares in townlong that I still need are dead, time to go to work, then :F |
| 07:23.16 | nevcairiel | how hard can it be to bid in the black market /me rolls eyes |
| 07:23.28 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: two buttons, idiotically |
| 07:23.48 | Gnarfoz | starlon: also, the pet won't be BoP probably, you can cage it and re-sell it? |
| 07:23.51 | Gnarfoz | but not for 10k |
| 07:23.52 | Gnarfoz | lol :( |
| 07:23.57 | Gnarfoz | I hope some moron outbids me! :D |
| 07:24.05 | starlon | The wrong button is the most prominent. |
| 07:24.11 | Gnarfoz | OH OH OH T3 |
| 07:24.14 | Gnarfoz | WTF pet?! |
| 07:24.15 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 07:24.21 | Gnarfoz | yeah, gotta go. :P |
| 07:24.29 | Gnarfoz | bails |
| 07:29.30 | zenzio | starlon: do they sell class-specific T3 or "generic" items that turn into your class? |
| 07:30.07 | nevcairiel | the actual items |
| 07:32.04 | zenzio | so you'll probably have to really camp it to get the full set |
| 07:32.58 | starlon | I already picked up one item. |
| 07:33.11 | starlon | These aren't class-specific. |
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| 07:50.56 | starlon | So now I try to raise 9k within the next 24 hours. :D lol |
| 07:51.38 | starlon | Nobody else on my realm wants the warrior t3, or at least nobody else bid on the last piece I purchased last week. |
| 07:54.45 | zenzio | which item? |
| 07:54.57 | zenzio | I would kill to get back my two pieces (or was it three? Think two) |
| 07:55.50 | starlon | t3 boots |
| 07:56.01 | starlon | or which item did I purchase? t3 gloves |
| 07:58.13 | zenzio | I had boots and... belt? I think, then BC hit |
| 07:58.20 | zenzio | maybe one other item |
| 07:58.47 | zenzio | at that time I was something like MT4 (or OT3 if you prefer), so not very high on priority |
| 07:59.42 | nevcairiel | i had as much as i could have with our progress, i dont remember what exactly was missing (we were stuck on horsemen, so horsemen + saph + kel missing) |
| 08:01.12 | zenzio | no, I must have only had two items, come to think of it |
| 08:01.26 | zenzio | we cleared spider wing, and took first in the rest, but that's as far as we got |
| 08:01.50 | zenzio | also wish I hadn't vendored the Widow's Remorse |
| 08:03.17 | zenzio | got it the first time it dropped; about the only loot I was allowed to take before our other tanks \o/ Replaced my trusty old Quel'Serrar |
| 08:04.38 | starlon | I got 3 pieces in BC. I started playing the week Naxx came out, so only ever progressed through it as much as getting attuned and dying on spiders. |
| 08:07.43 | starlon | did they up the drop rate on mote of harmony? I'm picking them up one after another. |
| 08:08.11 | zenzio | in BC I had the worst luck with chest drops. I had lots of good tier items from SSC/TK, but still ran with the blue Mechanar chest. Got T5 chest priority when our class leader found out \o/ |
| 08:08.47 | starlon | hehe nice |
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| 08:10.58 | starlon | is the warrior's talent Second Wind really overpowered in PVP? Someone was crying all over Trade chat about this. Don't nerf my second wind. :( |
| 08:11.31 | zenzio | when someone dies from any class but their own in PvP, they go cry in trade chat over the last entry in their combat log |
| 08:12.55 | nebula169 | its strong but not really that hard to burst through |
| 08:12.57 | starlon | lol it would seem so |
| 08:13.22 | starlon | will it scale too much with gear? That was the argument this person was making. |
| 08:13.35 | starlon | seems damage output would also scale |
| 08:13.52 | nebula169 | goes from like 10k to 15k |
| 08:15.30 | zenzio | it's a % of health, I'd imagine it scales roughly the same as other people's damage does from their stat increases |
| 08:15.35 | zenzio | that's just a guess |
| 08:28.19 | bleeter | The Sound of Cyclons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUezhpuEoE |
| 08:31.50 | nevcairiel | thats actually quite good |
| 08:34.09 | nevcairiel | i feel like rewatching BSG now, maybe i should get out the blurays on the weekend =p |
| 08:35.22 | bleeter | yeah I had a similar sensation haha |
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| 09:03.52 | bleeter | ! |
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| 09:19.43 | starlon | what I don't get is these bugs I'm fighting in dread wastes do a bladestorm that hits for pea sized tickly doos. |
| 09:19.57 | starlon | Make it hurt. |
| 09:32.08 | karl_w_w | masochist |
| 09:32.52 | starlon | lol |
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| 09:48.14 | zenzio | Facebook like button widget... why don't you work in FF/IE when you start out hidden :-| |
| 09:52.45 | starlon | how perfect could that be. I finish farming 8 spirits to make a blacksmithing craftable to sell, and when I get back to town someone's trying to find a blacksmith for tanking gloves. :D 1k to go and I can bid on the right item. |
| 09:54.44 | starlon | oh lord, headless horseman's available. :/ crap gear and pumpkin hat ho. |
| 09:55.25 | zenzio | got to hate those hat hoes |
| 09:56.12 | starlon | fo shizzle |
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| 10:45.35 | F16Gaming | starlon: he still drops cataclysm gear? |
| 10:48.11 | Vladinator | Cairenn :D |
| 10:48.19 | Vladinator | I just said her name to click the link to PM her lol :P |
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| 11:02.21 | karl_w_w | F16Gaming: no 460 ilvl |
| 11:02.24 | karl_w_w | 470* |
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| 11:14.22 | Semlar | i love how spellflash modules make up like half the entries on the curse action bar category |
| 11:14.34 | Semlar | it makes it really easy to browse |
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| 11:19.06 | starlon | hisses at Spellflash. |
| 11:19.31 | Semlar | they must just be rolling in reward points by splitting this up like that |
| 11:19.42 | starlon | nods. |
| 11:24.25 | starlon | trying to sell anything on Trade at this time of the morning is fruitless |
| 11:24.47 | Semlar | to the auction house! |
| 11:24.51 | zenzio | "I believe they are an intricate artistic methodology referred to by the specialists as "oooouuuu SHINY"" |
| 11:26.25 | Semlar | i'm gonna be honest, even with the house cut i made way more of a profit on items on the auction house than i did in trade |
| 11:26.57 | Semlar | i lot of people just don't use the trade channel |
| 11:27.08 | Semlar | a* |
| 11:27.45 | starlon | nods. |
| 11:27.46 | zenzio | don't be silly |
| 11:27.51 | zenzio | the trade chat is for looking for groups |
| 11:27.54 | starlon | I have good luck with it, but not at this time of the morning. |
| 11:28.09 | Semlar | it also probably depends on what you're selling |
| 11:28.20 | starlon | Just 850 gold to go and I'll be happy. |
| 11:28.26 | Semlar | i mostly used trade for buying and the auction house for selling |
| 11:29.16 | Semlar | a lot of times people would get in trade to just to sell something quickly |
| 11:29.47 | Semlar | and you have the opportunity to barter with them |
| 11:29.52 | zenzio | in Anarchy Online there was no non-trade chat ways to advertise goods (well, except for the actual market forums, but that's a bit quirky - though it worked). When they introduced the global market interface a little while ago, that's essentially the AH, the trade channels just died completely |
| 11:30.04 | starlon | I'm in the boat where I need to sell stuff quickly. ;) |
| 11:30.11 | Semlar | see? |
| 11:30.14 | starlon | lol |
| 11:30.30 | Semlar | i could totally swing by and get a good deal off you and turn around and sell it for a profit |
| 11:30.39 | zenzio | starlon: "WTS [...] 18k gold 2k LESS THAN AH!!!" ? |
| 11:30.49 | starlon | nah |
| 11:30.58 | starlon | I don't refer to the AH for prices. |
| 11:31.08 | Semlar | probably for the best |
| 11:31.27 | Semlar | you don't want to remind your potential customers that it exists |
| 11:31.34 | starlon | lol |
| 11:31.48 | Semlar | >_> |
| 11:31.58 | zenzio | I find people often leave out the cost, only showing the "X less than AH!" part |
| 11:32.01 | starlon | I don't even using "pst" |
| 11:32.10 | starlon | yeah I've seen that. |
| 11:32.20 | zenzio | that came out wrong... I meant the other way around |
| 11:32.22 | starlon | s/using/use/ |
| 11:32.29 | Semlar | here's the thing with people who don't post any sort of price when they're trying to sell something |
| 11:32.51 | Semlar | they may be asking a lot but they could also be asking for less |
| 11:33.06 | Semlar | and most people won't bother trying to see what they want for it |
| 11:33.17 | Semlar | so you have less competition |
| 11:33.19 | zenzio | [...]: WTS X -- To [...]: how much for X? -- [...]: offer -- this is how my communications often seem to end |
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| 11:33.40 | Semlar | yeah i don't say how much |
| 11:33.46 | Semlar | i open with an offer |
| 11:34.06 | zenzio | that's usually better, but I'm cheap |
| 11:34.06 | Semlar | i should probably stop watching pawn stars |
| 11:34.35 | zenzio | Semlar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlveugLJygg |
| 11:34.36 | Semlar | some people just won't barter either |
| 11:35.15 | starlon | Adding a price to the Trade ad is risky because you've got some smartasses who like to bitch about the price, or start undercutting you jokingly, and it just floods out what you're trying to accomplish -- making gold. |
| 11:35.20 | Semlar | like you'll give them an offer and they just refuse it and not even counter offer |
| 11:37.10 | Semlar | i like this guy's bald cap |
| 11:37.57 | starlon | So this Human Commoner is talking about how he's going to dress NEXT year. |
| 11:38.05 | starlon | Like it's the end of Hallow's End. |
| 11:38.23 | starlon | Just started dude. |
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| 11:39.21 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvu6APT3JLY insomniaaaaaac |
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| 11:57.19 | Bitwise_ | Dammit Semlar |
| 11:57.31 | Semlar | what did i do |
| 11:57.34 | Bitwise_ | I missed the bus again. |
| 11:57.38 | Bitwise_ | You didn't do anything. |
| 11:57.53 | Bitwise_ | I have drivers ed today |
| 11:58.01 | Bitwise_ | I could of been driving. :-\ |
| 11:58.20 | Semlar | ironically if you could drive it wouldn't be a problem |
| 11:58.27 | Bitwise_ | LOL |
| 11:58.34 | Bitwise_ | I know. |
| 11:59.04 | Bitwise_ | I've missed 3/5 days |
| 11:59.20 | Bitwise_ | Luckily I made it yesterday for the PSAT |
| 11:59.21 | Semlar | that's probably not good |
| 11:59.38 | Semlar | i never had drivers ed |
| 12:00.18 | Semlar | i just did an online course, took a written exam and hopped in my car for the test |
| 12:00.45 | nevcairiel | getting a drivers license in the US is way too easy |
| 12:01.09 | Semlar | that's probably true |
| 12:01.32 | Semlar | there were literally no requirements that i had done any driving beforehand |
| 12:02.39 | Semlar | although nothing would have prepared me for the lunatics driving around central florida |
| 12:03.04 | Bitwise_ | Central Florida, eh? |
| 12:03.20 | Semlar | nobody here knows how to drive |
| 12:03.22 | Bitwise_ | I live in South Florida :P |
| 12:03.36 | Semlar | it's like nothing but retired people and tourists |
| 12:03.43 | nevcairiel | Around here there are mandatory theoretical lessons and practice lessons you have to take in a driving school, and a written exam as well as a driving test |
| 12:04.05 | nevcairiel | so you have at least a bunch of hours driving with an instructor before you can even take the driving test |
| 12:04.20 | Bitwise_ | I wonder if I could 'borrow' my moms car... |
| 12:04.36 | Semlar | do you have a learner's permit |
| 12:04.46 | Bitwise_ | I've never actually been behind the wheel before but there shouldn't be much traffic atm. |
| 12:04.58 | Bitwise_ | Yes I have my learner's permit |
| 12:05.16 | Semlar | you can't legally drive without being accompanied by a licensed individual |
| 12:05.40 | Semlar | plus i think that counts as grand theft auto |
| 12:06.14 | Bitwise_ | I know. But I need to get to school. |
| 12:06.21 | Semlar | get someone to drive you |
| 12:06.51 | Bitwise_ | Don't really know anyone that could. |
| 12:07.19 | Semlar | your mom's car is there, is she not |
| 12:07.25 | starlon | Steal the car and run over some hookers imo. |
| 12:07.54 | Semlar | i would have to recommend you not steal her car if you've never driven before |
| 12:08.07 | Semlar | because it could be potentially disasterous |
| 12:08.30 | Bitwise_ | True |
| 12:08.37 | Bitwise_ | But I've considered that. |
| 12:09.00 | Bitwise_ | I don't think there will be to much traffic right now. |
| 12:09.05 | Torhal | …and that somehow makes it okay. |
| 12:09.06 | Torhal | :P |
| 12:09.19 | Semlar | traffic's not the only thing to worry about |
| 12:09.22 | Bitwise_ | Well it'll be less dangerous :P |
| 12:09.32 | Semlar | also how is there no traffic |
| 12:09.37 | Semlar | it's like rush hour |
| 12:09.47 | Bitwise_ | I live in the boondocks. |
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| 12:11.24 | Semlar | you could just take the day off |
| 12:11.36 | Bitwise__ | Well I've already taken 2 days off.. |
| 12:12.23 | Semlar | do you have a bike |
| 12:13.46 | Bitwise__ | Yes, but both tires have a hole, only one brake works, only has one pedal and it's to small for me now. |
| 12:14.10 | Bitwise__ | I've already considered the bicycle option. |
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| 12:33.53 | Ackis | anyone know the respawn timer on stuff for lost and found? |
| 12:39.37 | karl_w_w | any US alliance available to group me to pull me onto their server? |
| 12:41.41 | F16Gaming | karl_w_w: (about horseman ilvl) ah good :P i was afraid we'd get a situation like coren again |
| 12:42.59 | nevcairiel | coren also dropped up to date gear o.o |
| 12:43.06 | karl_w_w | ^ |
| 12:43.06 | Adys | Shirik: I have four numbers between 0 and 1: r, g, b and a. How do I intensify r, g and b towards white depending on the alpha? (so the closer to 1 alpha is, the closer to 1 r, g and b should be) |
| 12:43.48 | nevcairiel | a = 1 -> r=g=b=1? |
| 12:44.06 | Adys | yep |
| 12:44.19 | Adys | the closer a is to 1, the closer rgb gets to 1 |
| 12:44.37 | F16Gaming | nevcairiel: his "body drops" were up to date, stuff like the tankard was not |
| 12:45.02 | F16Gaming | the things you got from the barrel thing once a daty |
| 12:45.03 | F16Gaming | day* |
| 12:46.14 | F16Gaming | http://www.wowhead.com/item=71332 |
| 12:46.21 | F16Gaming | ^ that was from MoP coren |
| 12:46.57 | F16Gaming | as well as this one: http://www.wowhead.com/item=71331 |
| 12:47.32 | karl_w_w | nobody loves me enough to group me :( |
| 12:48.26 | Semlar | NOBODY LOVES YOU |
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| 12:52.41 | karl_w_w | :( |
| 12:53.11 | Semlar | as much as me |
| 12:54.12 | karl_w_w | calls the police |
| 12:54.37 | Semlar | does this rag smell like chloroform |
| 12:56.04 | Adys | nevcairiel: any idea? |
| 12:56.28 | nevcairiel | to be honest i'm not sure what you are trying to do |
| 12:57.00 | nevcairiel | is there a neutral point where the original colors remain the same? |
| 12:57.39 | Adys | nevcairiel: I have a square of a specific color with varying alpha, so that the alpha is stronger towards the center (so it looks like a faded circle, sorta) |
| 12:57.54 | Adys | nevcairiel: what I want is that the closer you get to the center, the whiter it is |
| 12:58.10 | Adys | but the farther you are from it, the closer to its original color |
| 12:58.21 | nevcairiel | so a=0 is original color? |
| 12:58.25 | Semlar | divide 1 by the number and multiply by the alpha |
| 12:58.28 | Adys | nevcairiel: yes |
| 12:58.46 | Adys | Semlar: r=(1/r)*a? |
| 12:58.53 | Semlar | maybe |
| 13:01.04 | Semlar | no that can't be right |
| 13:01.10 | Adys | hmm |
| 13:01.11 | nevcairiel | r=r+(1-r)*a ? :d |
| 13:01.30 | Adys | Semlar: yours doesnt look too bad |
| 13:01.47 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/CFtVB.png |
| 13:02.34 | nevcairiel | except it still fades to invisible, not the original color |
| 13:04.53 | Adys | nevcairiel: not really |
| 13:04.56 | nevcairiel | mine does a liniear scale from r to 1 |
| 13:05.00 | Adys | its actually quite fine like this |
| 13:05.05 | nevcairiel | linear* |
| 13:05.07 | Adys | i need to tweak the alpha settings |
| 13:05.22 | nevcairiel | his solution is 0 at a=0 |
| 13:05.26 | nevcairiel | not the original color |
| 13:05.51 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/vUwVW.png |
| 13:06.02 | Adys | nevcairiel: i dunno, this still fades to blue on the screen |
| 13:06.16 | nevcairiel | the math is kinda obvious =P |
| 13:06.34 | Semlar | don't you bring MATH into this |
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| 13:42.11 | Adys | actually hm |
| 13:42.15 | Adys | Semlar: you are modifying the color |
| 13:42.31 | Adys | for a low value of red and high values of green/blue, I end up with high value of red and low green/blue |
| 13:42.41 | Semlar | yeah nev has the right forumula |
| 13:42.45 | Adys | i couldnt tell because i didnt see the original color |
| 13:42.46 | Adys | yeah |
| 13:42.51 | nevcairiel | well |
| 13:42.59 | Semlar | for keeping the color at least |
| 13:43.00 | nevcairiel | its not "right" |
| 13:43.06 | nevcairiel | every channel is handled individually |
| 13:43.09 | Torhal|work | scrambles Adys's endians. |
| 13:43.10 | nevcairiel | so it may change color |
| 13:43.55 | nevcairiel | say you have r=1, g=0.5, b=0, as you slowly move to 1 on all channels, the colors will slowly shift to white |
| 13:44.05 | nevcairiel | but while its going there, it may change the color slightly |
| 13:44.14 | Adys | thats okay |
| 13:44.47 | Semlar | smoothdurability has the formula you want |
| 13:45.11 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/jyV36.png |
| 13:45.16 | Adys | looking good or what |
| 13:45.17 | Semlar | it lets you fade between two colors in a way that makes sense |
| 13:45.22 | Adys | nevcairiel: =) |
| 13:45.32 | nevcairiel | looks perfect |
| 13:45.34 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:46.16 | nevcairiel | i guess mine might be fine from a color perspective |
| 13:46.24 | nevcairiel | i just played around with a color picker a bit |
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| 13:47.59 | karl_w_w | so im doing archaeology, i do a survey, it's yellow, i go 50 yards in the direction it points, i survey again, it points in the same direction and it's red |
| 13:48.45 | Adys | karl_w_w: its possible you got two unlucky shots on the angle |
| 13:49.18 | Semlar | yeah the color represents how accurate the angle of the arrow is |
| 13:49.32 | nevcairiel | technically it represents the range to the object |
| 13:49.34 | Semlar | i think red just means it's within an arc of 180 degrees or something |
| 13:49.48 | nevcairiel | but as you get further away, it also gets more inaccurate |
| 13:49.50 | Semlar | it represents the range but the range determines how accurate the arrow is |
| 13:52.13 | Vladinator | blizz should add API to return effective reputation gain bonus |
| 13:52.30 | Vladinator | you got buffs, auras, perks, e.g. lots to consider :P |
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| 13:55.04 | karl_w_w | what happened is impossible without a bug |
| 13:55.18 | karl_w_w | the arc of red would have to be able 270 degrees |
| 13:55.29 | karl_w_w | s/able/about/ |
| 13:56.13 | karl_w_w | and no semlar, the colour is the distance |
| 13:57.06 | Semlar | and accuracy |
| 13:58.20 | karl_w_w | accuracy is a result of the distance |
| 13:58.38 | Semlar | :| |
| 13:59.59 | karl_w_w | it's like putting a thermometer in water. the thermometer doesnt indicate if the water is boiling, it indicates the temperature. boiling is a result of the temperate |
| 14:00.00 | Semlar | if the color is based on the distance, and the accuracy is based on the distance |
| 14:00.06 | karl_w_w | -ure* |
| 14:00.57 | Semlar | except it doesn't get more accurate until the color changes unless i'm misremembering, it's been a while since i made my archaeology addon |
| 14:01.39 | karl_w_w | no it doesnt |
| 14:07.49 | nevcairiel | just saying "the accuracy is based on the color" is leaving out a lot of information though =p |
| 14:08.58 | Semlar | if they both correspond to the same thing it doesn't particularly matter |
| 14:09.11 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 14:09.15 | Fisker | not so hey karl_w_w |
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| 14:41.56 | Ennea | hello~ |
| 14:42.20 | Ennea | i'd like to securely hook UIParentManageFramePositions() in UIParent.lua at line 1641, which is, however, an unnamed frame's function |
| 14:42.24 | Ennea | is there any possible way to do this? |
| 14:42.53 | Semlar | even an unnamed frame can be accessed |
| 14:43.18 | nevcairiel | there is a public API which is called everytime someone wants the frame positions managed, why not hook that? |
| 14:43.36 | Ennea | nevcairiel, there is? where can i get more info on that? |
| 14:43.47 | nevcairiel | its also in UIParent.lua |
| 14:43.58 | Ennea | also, Semlar, i'd like to know how you approach that sort of problem |
| 14:44.14 | Ennea | i know they can be accessed, but that seems a tad tricky with no obvious reference stored anywhere |
| 14:44.41 | Semlar | there's an enumerate frames function or something |
| 14:44.44 | nevcairiel | its UIParent_ManageFramePositions |
| 14:44.50 | Semlar | but nev is right there's probably a better way to do this |
| 14:45.02 | nevcairiel | thats the function which is called to toggle the update |
| 14:45.24 | nevcairiel | it delegates to that unnamed frame |
| 14:45.42 | Ennea | nevcairiel, i've actually hooked that, but it doesn't do exactly what i was hoping it'd do |
| 14:45.53 | Semlar | what are you trying to do |
| 14:45.54 | Ennea | so i thought that UIParentManageFramePositions() may be called elsewhere |
| 14:46.05 | Ennea | just a simple positioning fix for WatchFrame |
| 14:46.14 | nevcairiel | even blizzard code wont jump through any hoops to call an unnamed frame |
| 14:46.17 | Ennea | it works quite well, but i encountered an odd issue |
| 14:46.35 | Ennea | originally, i added it because i have moved the second right action bar to somewhere else |
| 14:46.42 | Ennea | so i'm correcting WatchFrame's position to the right |
| 14:46.49 | Ennea | which works all the time when toggling extra action bars now |
| 14:46.55 | Semlar | you can hook the watchframe's setpoint function or something |
| 14:46.58 | Ennea | but, playing as a hunter, when i send away my pet |
| 14:47.02 | Ennea | it jumps to the left again |
| 14:47.07 | Ennea | and back to the right upon calling it again |
| 14:47.09 | Ennea | which seems awkward.. |
| 14:47.21 | nevcairiel | you could just remove the second right action bar from the registry of the position manager, then it would do the right thing on its own =P |
| 14:47.24 | Ennea | Semlar, that's so simple that i didn't even think of it |
| 14:47.27 | Ennea | call me stupid please? |
| 14:47.37 | Ennea | nevcairiel, can i do that without taint issues? |
| 14:47.47 | nevcairiel | should work |
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| 14:47.59 | Ennea | i haven't really gotten into the position manager yet, and only started doing some addon stuff again a week or two ago |
| 14:48.06 | Ennea | was absent for the last expansion |
| 14:48.35 | nevcairiel | anyway hooking the watchframes setpoint is probably the easiest |
| 14:48.56 | Ennea | yea, i believe i'll go with that instead |
| 14:49.07 | Ennea | i fear that removing the action bar from the managed frames may cause issues with other addons |
| 14:50.07 | Ennea | then again, now that i think about it |
| 14:50.16 | Ennea | hooking setpoint, then calling it again in the hook function |
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| 14:50.23 | Ennea | you know, correcting positions, heh |
| 14:50.26 | Ennea | not the best idea ;p |
| 14:51.08 | Semlar | make a local copy of its setpoint function and call that |
| 14:51.36 | Ennea | i just thought about that, but does that work? |
| 14:51.42 | Semlar | iunno |
| 14:51.45 | nevcairiel | but c stack overflow is such a nice error message |
| 14:51.46 | Ennea | well, i'll try |
| 14:51.51 | Semlar | i thought it did |
| 14:52.01 | Ennea | wow actually has counter measures for infinite loops like that, nev |
| 14:52.10 | nevcairiel | WatchFrame.RealSetPoint = WatchFrame.SetPoint; WatchFrame.SetPoint = function(...) ... end |
| 14:52.10 | Ennea | Semlar, no idea, never tried. i will |
| 14:52.13 | nevcairiel | works just fine |
| 14:52.19 | nevcairiel | call WatchFrame:RealSetPoin then |
| 14:52.22 | nevcairiel | +t |
| 14:52.24 | Ennea | i don't think i want to do that though |
| 14:52.26 | Semlar | that's going to taint it |
| 14:52.29 | Ennea | indeed |
| 14:52.30 | Semlar | if that's an issue |
| 14:52.33 | Ennea | which is what i want to avoid |
| 14:52.59 | nevcairiel | for the watch frame it probably doesnt matter |
| 14:53.09 | nevcairiel | but in any case, just replace the second part with a hooksecurefunc |
| 14:53.33 | Semlar | if he's going to overwrite the setpoint function he can just prevent it from being moved in the first place |
| 14:54.05 | Semlar | hooksecurefunc is going to be used to correct it after the fact |
| 14:54.27 | Semlar | which is more annoying |
| 14:54.46 | Semlar | so if taint isn't an issue then it would be better to overwrite it |
| 14:55.11 | Ennea | i don't need to overwrite it |
| 14:55.24 | Ennea | creating a copy, hooking the original and calling the copy in my hook function works |
| 14:55.26 | Ennea | just fine |
| 14:55.31 | Semlar | good |
| 14:55.35 | Ennea | indeed! |
| 14:55.36 | Ennea | thanks |
| 14:55.46 | Semlar | taint has a way of screwing things up anyway |
| 14:55.54 | Ennea | i'm happy to see nevcairiel again after such a long time :3 |
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| 14:57.41 | nevcairiel | i was always here |
| 14:57.46 | Ennea | but i wasn't |
| 14:57.59 | Ennea | and a whole lot of addon devs went inactive |
| 14:59.16 | nevcairiel | i get way too much money for the addons to go inactive =P |
| 14:59.31 | Ennea | you actually do? |
| 14:59.34 | Ennea | interesting |
| 14:59.42 | jnwhiteh | I'd feel massively guilty |
| 14:59.46 | jnwhiteh | not that that's why I'm still here |
| 14:59.52 | Ennea | :3 |
| 14:59.59 | nevcairiel | i also cant abandon my project like that |
| 15:00.18 | Ennea | heh, well |
| 15:00.19 | Semlar | monies? |
| 15:00.25 | Ennea | it seems like a lot of people can just abandon whatever |
| 15:00.48 | jnwhiteh | I could not abandon Clique unless Blizzard broke it |
| 15:00.49 | Semlar | i get no monies |
| 15:01.33 | Semlar | i guess that speaks to how bad i am at this |
| 15:04.04 | nevcairiel | i maintained my stuff after i quit actively playing long before curse decided to pay us =p |
| 15:04.27 | Ennea | nev is a true hero |
| 15:04.29 | jnwhiteh | indeed |
| 15:04.30 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 15:04.31 | nevcairiel | there has been a time where i just didnt touch it, but it was working fine, and new features ... well :P |
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| 15:05.02 | nevcairiel | users are so quikc to call an addon dead just because it wasnt updated for a few month :p |
| 15:05.19 | Semlar | that's what happens when you make something right the first time |
| 15:05.48 | Unkle | ZOMG! NO UPDATE FOR MINIPATCH? ADDON IS DEAD. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A REPLACEMENT? |
| 15:06.06 | nevcairiel | heck if i would stop updating addons, some random weirdo might start patching ace3 |
| 15:06.11 | nevcairiel | cant let that happen |
| 15:06.11 | jnwhiteh | SOMEONE UPLOAD FAN UPDATE PLEASE |
| 15:06.53 | Unkle | Author hasn't posted a comment in 2 days - ZOMG, WHO IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THIS CRUCIAL ADDON? |
| 15:07.12 | Semlar | rythal |
| 15:07.39 | karl_w_w | why are there 2 rings in mogushan vaults with int+spirit and none with int and no spirit? |
| 15:08.03 | Semlar | because blizzard favors healers |
| 15:08.12 | Unkle | My favorite is "I can't live without AddOn X. I don't know how to write code, but this should be simple to update... who is going to do it for me? " |
| 15:08.12 | Semlar | what are you gonna do about it |
| 15:08.29 | karl_w_w | if blizzard were smart they would unify spirit and hit into one stat |
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| 15:08.54 | karl_w_w | but instead they just prefer to give hybrid caster dps twice as much loot as everyone else |
| 15:09.03 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, I can't live without you. Who is going to update you for me? |
| 15:09.09 | Semlar | i'll do it |
| 15:09.21 | Semlar | c'mere unkle |
| 15:09.33 | Semlar | time for a tune up |
| 15:09.46 | Unkle | If you read MMO-Champions collation of Blizzard tweets, at least one designer is no longer entirely convinced that +hit is interesting gameplay. |
| 15:10.00 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: because there is a hit/haste rings from reputation? :P |
| 15:10.06 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy I'm self-updating. |
| 15:10.28 | karl_w_w | there are also int+spirit rings from rep nevcairiel, not sure how that's relevant |
| 15:10.34 | Bitwise_ | Semlar, Don't forget to update his rational logic thinking algoritms. The current implementation uses deprecated code. :D |
| 15:10.37 | karl_w_w | unless ur saying dpsers only have 1 ring slot |
| 15:11.07 | Semlar | dpsers can suck it up |
| 15:11.32 | Unkle | Bitwise_ ouch. |
| 15:11.51 | Semlar | blizzard doesn't usually release perfectly itemized items until a certain point |
| 15:12.01 | Bitwise_ | I tried to make a funny. Not insult you. My bad. :P |
| 15:12.28 | Unkle | It was funny. It just ... funny ouch |
| 15:12.36 | Semlar | then you can be like hey look this ring is way better because it doesn't have spirits on it |
| 15:12.48 | Ressy | but spirit rocks |
| 15:12.50 | karl_w_w | semlar there is a difference between perfectly itemised and has a stat that is completely useless |
| 15:12.59 | Semlar | is it completely useless, though |
| 15:13.02 | Semlar | IS IT |
| 15:13.09 | karl_w_w | Yes. |
| 15:13.15 | Semlar | oh |
| 15:13.40 | Ressy | I like my spirit, thx. |
| 15:13.47 | Unkle | I'm convinced that the game could be improved by reducing primary and secondary stats a lot. |
| 15:13.48 | Unkle | in number, not value |
| 15:13.52 | karl_w_w | it would be like a tank using something with mastery and haste |
| 15:14.00 | karl_w_w | the mastery is good, the haste is useless |
| 15:14.53 | Semlar | i can't comment because everything i picked up on my druid i reforged to benefit bear and cat form |
| 15:15.41 | Semlar | i did avoid haste as much as possible though |
| 15:15.58 | Semlar | it was garbage for bear form |
| 15:16.23 | Bitwise_ | I stack haste on my warrior :P |
| 15:17.10 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 15:17.11 | Bitwise_ | It was funny 'cause I got mana burned after trinketing the sap. |
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| 15:17.39 | Fisker | nevcairiel |
| 15:17.45 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: |
| 15:17.45 | nevcairiel | Fisker |
| 15:17.47 | Fisker | i thought you were still playing |
| 15:17.49 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 15:17.54 | jnwhiteh | hi |
| 15:18.01 | Fisker | looking forward to october 29th? |
| 15:18.09 | nevcairiel | i usually start again on a new expansion :P |
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| 15:19.04 | karl_w_w | damn, 9 motes of harmony |
| 15:19.18 | karl_w_w | i cant work in these conditions |
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| 15:28.47 | Fisker | why not karl_w_w ? |
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| 15:36.39 | Bitwise_ | Is there a way to look at the name of someones gear or see if they've earned an achievement or get their rating? |
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| 15:37.24 | Vladinator | explain Bitwise_ |
| 15:38.14 | Bitwise_ | I need a way to get the name of each piece of gear someone is wearing and their highest rating :P |
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| 15:38.35 | Vladinator | so you gotta inspect :D |
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| 15:38.45 | Bitwise_ | Programatically... |
| 15:38.46 | Vladinator | glhf with that ;D |
| 15:39.02 | Vladinator | I find inspect API really clunky and does not always inspect properly... |
| 15:39.26 | Vladinator | for instance I query a unit and wait for the event, and even then gear return nil where there should be an item and such (all items are cached) |
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| 15:40.29 | Vladinator | goes to work. |
| 15:40.36 | Bitwise_ | Damn. |
| 15:43.02 | Bitwise_ | Is there anything an addon can do? |
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| 15:51.51 | karl_w_w | because I mad Fisker |
| 15:55.31 | TC-Work | don't be mad karl_w_w, get glad. |
| 15:57.31 | TC-Work | holy crap my code is fugly |
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| 16:04.08 | TC-Work | I suspect there is a better way to do things than http://pastebin.com/s5nTFNLb |
| 16:04.27 | Shirik | no |
| 16:04.30 | Shirik | nonononononon |
| 16:05.04 | TC-Work | was that directed at me Shirik? |
| 16:05.19 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:13.59 | Semlar | probably better than this nightmare http://pastebin.com/fDam5Ub6 |
| 16:18.17 | foxlit | "pastebin.com contains content from neswsports.com, a site known to distribute malware. Your computer might catch a virus if you visit this site." |
| 16:18.38 | Semlar | oO |
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| 16:20.39 | Fisker | mad foxlit ? |
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| 16:28.08 | karl_w_w | fuckfuckfuck |
| 16:30.33 | karl_w_w | and now my bank's site is down |
| 16:31.15 | karl_w_w | i did 52 dailies today |
| 16:31.21 | karl_w_w | what is with all these dailies |
| 16:31.42 | Mr_Rabies | it gets even worse once you're revered with golden lotus |
| 16:31.49 | karl_w_w | i am :P |
| 16:31.52 | Mr_Rabies | because august celestials and shad-pan open up |
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| 16:32.04 | karl_w_w | i was doing ~42 per day before i was revered |
| 16:32.25 | Unkle | all those dailies = content for you to consume between now and next expansion. |
| 16:32.41 | karl_w_w | except I'll be done with them within like a month |
| 16:32.53 | Unkle | Or alternatively, between now and when you quit in disgust. |
| 16:33.03 | karl_w_w | hah |
| 16:33.28 | karl_w_w | 200005: Service temporarily unavailable. Please try again later. If still unsuccessful, contact NAB Internet Banking Support on 1300 651 656. |
| 16:33.30 | karl_w_w | bite me |
| 16:34.40 | TC-Work | I'd rather not |
| 16:34.49 | TC-Work | I don't know where you have beem |
| 16:34.52 | TC-Work | been* |
| 16:35.59 | karl_w_w | england, wales, scotland, france, belgium, germany, austria, hong kong, australia |
| 16:36.41 | karl_w_w | think my internet banking is broken |
| 16:37.00 | Semlar | it's a trap |
| 16:37.08 | karl_w_w | there is a future dated funds transfer yet to be paid, dated yesterday |
| 16:37.20 | karl_w_w | which i never created |
| 16:37.41 | karl_w_w | should be part of a periodic transfer |
| 16:38.05 | karl_w_w | and i cant modify it because 'the cut off time for today has passed' |
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| 17:02.29 | Fisker | ubuntu is mad |
| 17:02.33 | Fisker | Avoid the pain of Windows 8. |
| 17:02.34 | Fisker | The all-new Ubuntu 12.10 is out now. |
| 17:12.13 | karl_w_w | avoid the pain for linux. the all-knowing windows 7 is out now. |
| 17:12.40 | karl_w_w | s/for/of/ |
| 17:12.43 | karl_w_w | derp |
| 17:15.52 | TC-Work | not only am i going to be on win 8, i think i will make it really difficult and do it fresh on a new ssd. |
| 17:16.17 | zenzelezz | you rebel you |
| 17:16.42 | karl_w_w | why would that be painful |
| 17:17.13 | TC-Work | i have to reinstall everything |
| 17:17.20 | TC-Work | EVERYTHING |
| 17:17.28 | Semlar | everything? |
| 17:17.35 | TC-Work | ~lart Semlar |
| 17:17.35 | purl | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays Semlar in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 17:18.10 | Semlar | what is this the three stooges |
| 17:18.36 | TC-Work | no, just the one stooge.... |
| 17:19.00 | Semlar | why i oughta.. |
| 17:20.22 | Lopeppeppy | Nyuk nyuk nyuk |
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| 17:37.27 | Kraps | ahhhhhh every time there are class changes i keep expecting to see something like "Priest: PW:S is now much more awesome and cool" |
| 17:43.48 | Jamash | requesting upvotes http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6893519708?page=7#128 |
| 17:44.22 | Jamash | Kraps: it should send out colored lights like a disco ball and make the target slightly larger |
| 17:45.30 | Kraps | i dont mean that :| |
| 17:45.38 | Jamash | $ sudo do-release-upgrade Checking for a new Ubuntu release No new release found |
| 17:45.44 | Jamash | lies Fisker |
| 17:46.46 | Jamash | Kraps: higher coefficient? |
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| 17:47.04 | Jamash | sup fiskery diskery dock |
| 17:47.29 | Jamash | ubuntu.com is lying to us |
| 17:47.53 | Fisker | Jamash |
| 17:48.10 | Fisker | make sure /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (or something like that) isn't set to LTS |
| 17:48.15 | Fisker | also |
| 17:48.15 | Jamash | ohsi |
| 17:48.17 | Fisker | i just upgraded :O |
| 17:48.20 | Fisker | and it worked |
| 17:48.21 | Jamash | s/si/shi/ |
| 17:48.27 | Fisker | that's like the first time |
| 17:48.44 | Fisker | even my webserver still works |
| 17:49.08 | Jamash | well my face is red |
| 17:49.26 | Jamash | quantal? |
| 17:49.29 | Jamash | is that even a word? |
| 17:49.33 | Jamash | ~dict quantal |
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| 17:50.57 | Jamash | 575 updates |
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| 17:51.11 | Kaylin | Java 7u9? |
| 17:51.45 | Jamash | upgradin' the server with my irc bouncer on it, whee |
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| 17:56.40 | Kraps | Jamash, yeah, i'm not sure why but i feel that in wrath disc was a blast, not so much in cata or now |
| 17:57.23 | Kraps | not sure if its because of the more restrictive mana pool |
| 18:04.40 | karl_w_w | 30 minutes into a game of sdem lod and most of the team is still neuting |
| 18:04.53 | karl_w_w | most of u have no idea what im talking about but man that's fuckin retarded |
| 18:05.21 | Semlar | you should tell them to l2p |
| 18:05.40 | Semlar | that usually helps |
| 18:06.07 | TC-Work | karl_w_w: dota? |
| 18:07.43 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:09.17 | karl_w_w | every idiot just plays for themselves and doesnt even defend when they push |
| 18:09.25 | karl_w_w | then they're surprised we lose |
| 18:12.07 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: http://i.minus.com/ibs80QO2L6PDsD.gif |
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| 18:16.04 | Cairenn | awwwww |
| 18:16.34 | Cairenn | I can see how that would amuse kittens for endless hours |
| 18:17.12 | TC-Work | and then a gif of it amuses humans for endless hours |
| 18:17.19 | Cairenn | yep |
| 18:17.20 | TC-Work | cat > humans |
| 18:17.21 | TC-Work | yet again |
| 18:19.38 | Jamash | Kraps: I like spirit shell conceptually |
| 18:20.08 | Jamash | but then I pop it and whar did mah healz go oh yeah they're short bubbles now |
| 18:20.16 | Jamash | need to last longer imo |
| 18:20.38 | Jamash | the problem is that disc is supposed to prevent damage but they dont want preventing damage to be so easy that you spam shields all day and nobody ever takes damage |
| 18:20.58 | Jamash | so you have to take a much more active role in anticipating damage |
| 18:23.14 | Jamash | or just spam penance/holy fire/smite |
| 18:23.42 | Jamash | and PoM on cooldown |
| 18:36.48 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 18:36.54 | Fisker | did you get screwed over too? |
| 18:37.59 | karl_w_w | Fisker smells harharhar |
| 18:45.47 | Stanzilla | Fisker: no whya |
| 18:48.25 | Fisker | didn't do headless horseman last night? |
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| 19:18.36 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.break.com/index/sleight-of-hand-2380414 |
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| 19:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | That's not eyeliner he's wearing, it's the remains of his last black eye. |
| 19:31.28 | Cairenn | o.O |
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| 19:41.56 | kd3 | oh wow, they're using the old sm map |
| 19:42.11 | Ressy | yup... If the healer dies tho. You're screwed |
| 19:42.14 | kd3 | and old sm gy for the headless horseman |
| 19:42.17 | Ressy | can't get back in. |
| 19:52.38 | karl_w_w | awesome, captcha i just got was nanoo nanoo |
| 19:54.03 | Vladinator | you can die in the headless horseman event...? |
| 19:54.33 | karl_w_w | no you are immune to all damage |
| 19:55.34 | kd3 | if you stand in the whirlwind, and the healer's been conflag'd |
| 19:56.53 | karl_w_w | or if the healer falls asleep |
| 19:57.06 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 19:57.07 | Stanzilla | or isnt a healer because healer queues are faster |
| 19:57.19 | karl_w_w | i once fell asleep healing illi |
| 19:57.21 | kd3 | not that a 6-minute queue is unbearable |
| 19:57.31 | Vladinator | as bear I can survive for quite some time, not to mention heal myself when he goes into floating head mode :D |
| 19:58.03 | karl_w_w | and a couple of months ago our pally healer fell asleep mid-ultraxion :P |
| 19:58.08 | karl_w_w | is this unusual? |
| 19:58.34 | Vladinator | I fell asleep once during a raid, it was one of our late raids and I was too tired, so I just dozed of. |
| 19:58.38 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 19:59.22 | Vladinator | cairenn asked me what my forum name was, I loled :D |
| 20:00.27 | kd3 | heh. no candy bucket at refuge point |
| 20:02.40 | Lopeppeppy | No candy for you, young man. |
| 20:04.29 | Vladinator | kd3: |
| 20:04.42 | Vladinator | no bucket in theramore either |
| 20:04.51 | Vladinator | and westfall is unaccessible if phased (done the quests) :D |
| 20:05.45 | karl_w_w | omg the psp has a homebrewvnc client |
| 20:07.58 | Vladinator | anyone uses my candy buckets addon? |
| 20:08.19 | karl_w_w | and i works! |
| 20:09.26 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 20:09.49 | Mr_Rabies | i really would have hoped they'd have fixed the CRZ zone-transition lag by now :X |
| 20:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | i love CRZ except that and a few other minor issues, but that one's a killer |
| 20:10.25 | Mr_Rabies | part of what makes wow so amazing is that it hasn't had loading screens between zones...ever |
| 20:10.31 | Mr_Rabies | but it effectively does now :| |
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| 20:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | Which of you monkeys broke Youtube? |
| 20:20.58 | Semlar | my bad |
| 20:21.06 | Lopeppeppy | Put it back. I need it. |
| 20:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | 500 error my arse, spit out the campus videos. Bad Youtube. |
| 20:24.09 | Semlar | if it makes you feel any better only the web interface is down |
| 20:24.28 | Semlar | the api still works |
| 20:24.54 | Lopeppeppy | Well... that's good in some ways. Links to videos don't work though, and my trustees are livid like it's my fault. |
| 20:25.14 | Ennea | yt works for me D: |
| 20:25.21 | Semlar | it's up again |
| 20:25.42 | Ennea | i've had it running through a playlist with autoplay on the last half hour |
| 20:25.51 | Lopeppeppy | Back up, a bit slow but there. Yoinks. a 5 minute outage and they're doing murder. |
| 20:26.28 | karl_w_w | yt has an api? |
| 20:26.39 | Semlar | maybe |
| 20:26.42 | Ennea | are there any google products without an api? |
| 20:29.03 | karl_w_w | probably |
| 20:30.30 | Arrowmaster | i dont think gtalk has an api, it just has an xmpp interface |
| 20:32.00 | karl_w_w | gtalk still exists? |
| 20:32.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah, where would it go |
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| 20:36.04 | Bitwise__ | Hey guise |
| 20:36.21 | Bitwise__ | I need help figuring out why some codez won't work. |
| 20:36.38 | karl_w_w | because i said so |
| 20:37.22 | cogwheel | ~seen tekkub |
| 20:37.29 | purl | tekkub <~tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 138d 18h 46m 22s ago, saying: 'twss'. |
| 20:37.33 | Bitwise__ | Basically when someone messages me who isn't authorised to do so they get sent a message back saying their message was rejected and hidden from me. |
| 20:38.22 | Bitwise__ | If I message someone though it should automatically authorise that person. |
| 20:39.37 | Bitwise__ | The problem is that when I whisper someone, it gives me a message saying that person is authorised |
| 20:39.56 | Bitwise__ | Which is what I want, but I don't want to automatically authorise those who get whispered back by the addon |
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| 20:40.35 | kd3 | och. the booty bay bruisers hit *hard* at 90 |
| 20:40.51 | Bitwise__ | I suspect it's something wrong with this code: http://pastebin.com/RYdWFia9 |
| 20:44.24 | Bitwise__ | Arrowmaster, You're pro. Do you know what's wrong? |
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| 20:44.52 | cogwheel | Bitwise__: just set a flag when you're sending the whisper so your event handler can tell how it's supposed to respond |
| 20:45.13 | Bitwise__ | I did. Peace_Options[14] |
| 20:45.16 | cogwheel | (haven't looked at the code) |
| 20:45.31 | Bitwise__ | :-\ |
| 20:45.42 | cogwheel | ouch |
| 20:45.54 | cogwheel | what's with all the magic numbers and inscrutable flag names? >< |
| 20:46.16 | cogwheel | *holds that code away from himself with a pair of tongs* |
| 20:46.33 | Bitwise__ | I even unregistered the events |
| 20:46.38 | Bitwise__ | Not my code to start with |
| 20:46.44 | Bitwise__ | I'm just adding features and fixing bugs. |
| 20:46.57 | cogwheel | you have my condolences >< |
| 20:47.19 | Bitwise__ | This was 10x worse before. It's like the original dev doesn't know what Turing complete is :( |
| 20:47.40 | cogwheel | you might start by giving meaningful names to things. you may end up just figuring out what's wrong in the process |
| 20:48.06 | cogwheel | also use print() to spit out debug messages in various places to track what the flags are at various times |
| 20:48.13 | cogwheel | you may be coming across a timing isue |
| 20:48.30 | karl_w_w | or just rewrite the whole thing yourself |
| 20:48.36 | cogwheel | there's that too |
| 20:49.36 | Bitwise__ | Let me handle these magic numbers first |
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| 20:49.42 | Bitwise__ | Then we'll see where I'm at. |
| 20:50.13 | cogwheel | nothing beats debug messages in an environment without a step-through debugger |
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| 20:51.22 | Bitwise__ | Hence another reason I prefer Java :P |
| 20:51.33 | cogwheel | it's not a problem with Lua |
| 20:51.37 | mckenziemc | cogwheel: lack of support for debug facilities |
| 20:51.46 | cogwheel | there are lua debuggers |
| 20:51.59 | Unkle | lots and lots of them |
| 20:52.16 | cogwheel | but they don't work in wow for security reasons |
| 20:52.39 | mckenziemc | i'm saying that beats what you said |
| 20:53.23 | cogwheel | also Java sucks |
| 20:53.25 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 20:53.45 | Arrowmaster | theres only one place that using java is allowed, and thats writing android apps |
| 20:53.48 | Bitwise__ | -_- |
| 20:53.53 | Unkle | Java - home of the faux-sandbox |
| 20:53.54 | cogwheel | and it sucks for that |
| 20:53.55 | Bitwise__ | Give me one reason why Java sucks. |
| 20:54.30 | cogwheel | JNI's a PTA esp wrt UTF-8 |
| 20:54.33 | cogwheel | PITA* |
| 20:55.56 | cogwheel | (that's what's pissing me off about it at the moment) |
| 20:56.15 | cogwheel | lacks proper generic types |
| 20:56.28 | Bitwise__ | Java lacks generics? |
| 20:56.35 | cogwheel | proper generic types |
| 20:56.36 | Bitwise__ | Then what is a type parameter? |
| 20:56.44 | cogwheel | generics in java are little more than syntactic sugar |
| 20:56.45 | Bitwise__ | How is it not proper? |
| 20:57.16 | Bitwise__ | And strings in JNI aren't even hard, you just have to call functions from jni.h and it's all good |
| 20:57.23 | cogwheel | no it's not all good |
| 20:57.31 | cogwheel | Java's idea of UTF-8 isn't actually UTF-8 |
| 20:57.47 | Bitwise__ | Well JNI isn't actually pure Java so... |
| 20:57.48 | cogwheel | so it fools people into thinking it is UTF-8, but it doesn't work correctly |
| 20:58.04 | Bitwise__ | I know that pure Java has perfect UTF-8 |
| 20:58.14 | cogwheel | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/520527/why-do-some-claim-that-javas-implementation-of-generics-is-bad |
| 20:59.52 | Unkle | stabs his dns server repeatedly. Doesn't do any good, but makes him feel better. |
| 21:00.27 | cogwheel | there are some Cutco knives in the garage if you need more stabbing implements |
| 21:00.27 | Bitwise__ | Are you using an IDE? |
| 21:02.13 | Bitwise__ | Any real IDE (IntelliJ, Eclipse, NetBeans) has no problem helping you use generics. |
| 21:03.18 | Bitwise__ | It doesn't matter if the type information is lost at compile time because the programmer should be using polymorphism. |
| 21:03.34 | Bitwise__ | Just because you can't do List<byte> doesn't mean you can't make a list of bytes |
| 21:03.58 | cogwheel | but it fools you into thinking you can, and then it doesn't behave the way you expect |
| 21:03.59 | Bitwise__ | List<Byte> is the correct way because Byte is just an object wrapper for the primitive byte |
| 21:04.28 | Bitwise__ | And since Java 5 with autoboxing it makes even less of a difference. |
| 21:04.38 | cogwheel | you're talking about convenience of writing code |
| 21:04.40 | Bitwise__ | I've never had a problem with generics |
| 21:04.47 | cogwheel | i'm talking about what that code means |
| 21:05.00 | cogwheel | on a more theoretical level, sure |
| 21:06.03 | Unkle | Right now, I feel like Mr. Furious in Mystery Men. |
| 21:07.33 | TC-Work | Unkle: just blame it on cogwheel and relax |
| 21:07.47 | cogwheel | it's all cogwheel's fault |
| 21:08.23 | TC-Work | see, that dude gets it |
| 21:08.28 | Unkle | Actually... I don't think that's fair. 'cause this issue is related to changes made to switch our internet to a bigger pipe. |
| 21:08.47 | cogwheel | so it's microsoft's or Unkle's fault then ;) |
| 21:09.35 | TC-Work | well, a bigger pipe is usually worth it, just ask all the potheads out there |
| 21:09.39 | Unkle | for some reason, DNS just isn't serving certain things and it makes me MAD. |
| 21:09.48 | Bitwise__ | I think people criticize Java generics because of this: List list = new ArrayList (); |
| 21:09.48 | Bitwise__ | list.add ("foo"); |
| 21:09.48 | Bitwise__ | list.add (new Integer (42)); // added by "mistake" |
| 21:09.59 | TC-Work | Unkle: what are you pointing to? |
| 21:10.00 | Bitwise__ | That's implicitly List<Object> |
| 21:10.31 | Bitwise__ | The programmer shouldn't be that dumb in the first place. :P |
| 21:10.37 | Unkle | an internal DNS server. Which is working just brilliantly except in two cases. |
| 21:12.11 | cogwheel | i had a weird dns issue on my home server last night... it would resolve freenode.net, but when it tried to lookup irc.freenode.net, it looked for irc.freenode.net.xyz.hspd.comcast.net (or whatever my home address is) instead |
| 21:12.29 | cogwheel | that was a "dafuq?" moment |
| 21:12.31 | zenzelezz | clearly comcast is trolling you |
| 21:12.37 | cogwheel | chat.freenode.net works fine |
| 21:12.49 | Unkle | that's because you have the "appned" setting turned on? |
| 21:12.59 | cogwheel | i turned on no such setting |
| 21:13.06 | cogwheel | unless it happened during the do-release-upgrade |
| 21:13.27 | Unkle | oh, that box is linux. |
| 21:13.45 | Arrowmaster | sometimes irc.freenode.net doesnt return anything, comcast is probably hijacking nxdomain replies |
| 21:14.00 | Unkle | comcast is ALWAYS hijacking. |
| 21:14.21 | Unkle | When I had them, I used the "opt out" feature and used OpenDNS |
| 21:14.22 | Arrowmaster | roadrunner has a page you can goto to opt out |
| 21:16.13 | cogwheel | i'm pretty sure my router is set up to use opendns |
| 21:16.24 | cogwheel | i'll have to double-check that |
| 21:19.56 | kd3 | oh, the candy bucket in westfall is there. it's in sentinel tower |
| 21:20.48 | kd3 | I wonder if theramore's will show if zidormi sends me back in time? |
| 21:21.03 | TC-Work | just watch out for pedobear, i hear he likes to hang out there. |
| 21:24.52 | kd3 | yup. theramore works too |
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| 21:36.42 | Bitwise__ | http://pastebin.com/c0Js5pnH |
| 21:36.55 | Bitwise__ | cogwheel, I fixed all the magics. |
| 21:38.38 | kd3 | I'm laughing but I shouldn't... "napping semis": http://i.imgur.com/aaVkk.jpg |
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| 21:46.26 | cogwheel | well blow me down |
| 21:46.54 | Unkle_ | not a lot of people left around? |
| 21:47.24 | Jamash | I'm about to drive home |
| 21:47.41 | Jamash|drivingho | well that's rude |
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| 21:58.37 | Fisker | man kd3 those semis aren't napping :( |
| 21:58.38 | TC-Work | Today seems to be going by rather slowly |
| 21:58.41 | Fisker | they're roadkills |
| 22:34.41 | Adys | Fisker: what level are flying mounts now? |
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| 22:35.00 | bleeter | http://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5hZa7rCEAEpY4q.jpg:large |
| 22:37.10 | TC-Work | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooold bleeter </Fisker> |
| 22:37.58 | Fisker | 60 Adys? |
| 22:38.05 | Adys | not 58? |
| 22:39.37 | Fisker | Not sure |
| 22:55.23 | mckenziemc | 42 Fisker |
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| 23:01.38 | Fisker | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5723442481 |
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| 23:13.11 | Bitwise__ | Anyone know why I get the initiated message when the addon sends the whisper back to the person who whispered me? http://pastebin.com/c0Js5pnH |
| 23:15.10 | Adys | 1SendChatMessage(Peace_CustomMsg[2]:sub(idx, idx + 255), "WHISPER", nil, incomingPlayer); |
| 23:15.12 | bleeter | Fisker: won't someone think of the children?! |
| 23:24.55 | Bitwise__ | Adys, LOL. |
| 23:25.24 | Adys | Bitwise__: ? |
| 23:26.24 | Bitwise__ | I'm not sure you know how the event system works. |
| 23:26.41 | Adys | I know how the event system works |
| 23:26.50 | Adys | you asked why you're sending a whisper |
| 23:26.58 | Adys | the reason why is that you're sending a damn whisper |
| 23:27.18 | Adys | if you have a more specific question, ask it |
| 23:27.29 | Adys | otherwise quit being a dick |
| 23:39.15 | Bitwise__ | Just saying, when you send a whisper, it triggers a CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM event |
| 23:39.48 | Bitwise__ | So if I return true to a CHAT_MSG_WHISPER_INFORM event filter nothing I whisper will show up in the chatbox |
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| 23:57.16 | kd3 | yay for bonus bonus rep |
| 23:58.20 | Ressy | +10% buff? |
| 23:58.34 | kd3 | yup |
| 23:59.52 | Bitwise__ | Who wants to see the best lighter ever? |
