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| 00:02.17 | mckenziemc | stabs Humbedooh. |
| 00:02.27 | Humbedooh | how cruel |
| 00:02.51 | Humbedooh | turns mckenziemc into json |
| 00:02.57 | bluspacecow | i replaced it with a plastic knife just in time! |
| 00:03.01 | mckenziemc | it's for the greater good |
| 00:03.11 | bluspacecow | oh dear |
| 00:03.16 | bluspacecow | i used javscript to do it |
| 00:03.36 | Humbedooh | yay for bluspacecow |
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| 00:26.32 | Kraps | !ping |
| 00:26.33 | batbot | Kraps: pong! |
| 00:31.25 | mckenziemc | ~bonk mckenziemc Kraps |
| 00:31.25 | purl | ACTION bonks Kraps over the head on behalf of mckenziemc |
| 00:41.54 | mckenziemc | hot chili is hot :( |
| 00:52.20 | Maldivia | cold chili is hot as well |
| 00:54.08 | mckenziemc | it *was* cold hot chili :( |
| 01:00.22 | Arrowmaster | well http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703567677/icontrolpad-2-the-open-source-controller has reached its goal and still has 60 hours left if anybody is interested |
| 01:10.46 | Woho | ControlPad2 sounds better than iControlPad2 :P |
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| 01:22.47 | kd3 | http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2703 |
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| 01:31.18 | mckenziemc | nice kd3 |
| 01:40.50 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/239797-how-old/ |
| 01:40.52 | Kraps | lol |
| 01:50.46 | Trela | ~interface |
| 01:50.46 | purl | it has been said that interface is done well, but the documentation and support on the opensource side is terrible |
| 01:50.59 | Trela | !framezml |
| 01:51.01 | mckenziemc | http://orlandpublicautoauction.com/ paragon of web design |
| 01:51.01 | Trela | !framexml |
| 01:51.07 | Trela | ~framexml |
| 01:51.07 | purl | well, framexml is Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 01:51.12 | Trela | There we go. :D |
| 01:52.12 | mckenziemc | http://orlandpublicautoauction.com/List.html image of a table o.o |
| 01:53.31 | Semlar | i'm going to go out on a limb here and say they don't know html |
| 01:53.55 | Semlar | this is all automatically generated |
| 01:54.37 | Semlar | http://orlandpublicautoauction.com/images/100_6079.JPG awesome |
| 01:57.27 | kd3 | oh, ooh. win8 goes public in a month |
| 01:57.31 | kd3 | can already imagine the rage |
| 01:58.27 | mckenziemc | rages. |
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| 02:08.25 | Semlar | 83% of american flags are imported from china |
| 02:09.16 | Trela | Uhhh aahhhh ummm |
| 02:09.27 | Trela | I just queued into LFD as a neutral Pandaren. O_o |
| 02:10.16 | Primer | I thought you had to pick a side at 10, and can only queue for a dungeon at 15 |
| 02:10.37 | Trela | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/feathermoon/Suiyi/simple |
| 02:10.45 | Trela | Level 20, still on Wandering Isle, have not chose yet. |
| 02:12.01 | xyphoid | didn't some people manage to get out into the world still neutral via teleport + death shenanigans? |
| 02:12.31 | Trela | xyphoid: Yeah, that was patched this morning. |
| 02:12.39 | Cairenn|afk | xyphoid: Blizz patched that exploit ... yeah |
| 02:14.16 | bluspacecow | *explotis cairenn* |
| 02:14.18 | bluspacecow | meeeeow |
| 02:14.51 | Trela | So obviously, I am never going to find a group. XD It is looking for groups based on the neutral faction. |
| 02:15.54 | kd3 | wait, wha? |
| 02:15.56 | kd3 | wow |
| 02:17.10 | xyphoid | maybe you'll find a secret group of players |
| 02:17.14 | Trela | Seeeeeeeeecrets |
| 02:17.16 | xyphoid | the illuminati, living in the cracks |
| 02:17.35 | Trela | Yeah, if you bring up LFD it lets you queue. Just sits there in limbo finding no one. :P |
| 02:18.33 | kd3 | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbp4ftcooO1qgfwiao1_1280.jpg |
| 02:18.38 | kd3 | red vs blue |
| 02:21.00 | Cairenn|afk | purrs at bluspacecow |
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| 02:52.32 | Kraps | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151168683664034&set=a.298842734033.144051.138011799033&type=1 |
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| 03:51.19 | Thunder_Child | someone got the rule of thirds right on that picture |
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| 04:26.07 | Fisker | blizzard is making a ton of money again |
| 04:49.36 | pompy | from what |
| 04:50.46 | durcyn | from the pet store |
| 04:54.34 | Shirik | hugs Thunder_Child |
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| 05:11.34 | Shirik | The other challenge, Dr. Sperling said, is that most people are not ready to embrace electric vehicles yet. Consumers could be nervous about the reliability and maintenance of such an expensive purchase — buggy software, for example, could lead to more serious consequences than it would on something like a smartphone. That’s why many auto companies have stuck to making hybrid vehicles, |
| 05:11.36 | Shirik | which use both gas and electricity and are more affordable, easier to produce and more familiar to drivers. |
| 05:11.38 | Shirik | YES BECAUSE HYBRIDS HAVE NO SOFTWARE IN THEM |
| 05:15.29 | Corrodias | and obviously, gas-powered cars don't! |
| 05:15.56 | Corrodias | i, for one, feel far safer inside a car powered by explosions |
| 05:16.34 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:16.45 | Shirik | long as it's not 300 volts |
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| 06:35.07 | Stanzilla | facebook is down, grab your pitchforks! |
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| 06:38.51 | Arrowmaster | so im bord and nmaping my wireless printer and found out it had a web server in it |
| 06:39.15 | Arrowmaster | HP Cartridge Protection The feature allows you to mark all Genuine HP ink cartridges used in your printer so that they cannot be used in any other printer. If someone tries to use your Protected Cartridge in another printer, cartridge use will be blocked and they will be told it can only be used in the original printer. |
| 06:39.25 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck is that an option |
| 06:41.07 | karl_w_w | maybe people steal cartiridges |
| 06:41.16 | karl_w_w | i can see that being used in offices |
| 06:41.35 | Arrowmaster | it is an officejet |
| 06:41.45 | Arrowmaster | also i found the smtp server settings...... |
| 06:43.43 | Fisker | SERVERALERT: |
| 06:43.43 | Fisker | Weekly Maintenance, 11/10 |
| 06:43.44 | Fisker | This Wednesday all European realms will be restarted between 08:20 and 09:20 Paris time. An in-game notice will be given 15 minutes prior to the restarts. |
| 06:43.44 | Fisker | Thank you for your patience and understanding |
| 06:43.56 | Fisker | don't have to work today! |
| 06:44.01 | Fisker | i already worked my wednesday |
| 06:44.18 | Arrowmaster | cool i can make the printer email me when the ink is low |
| 06:44.27 | Fisker | why not print out instead? |
| 06:44.41 | Arrowmaster | or i can make it email me when its out of paper |
| 06:45.11 | Arrowmaster | lol theres firewall rules in this interface |
| 06:45.38 | Arrowmaster | OMG THE PRINTER SUPPORTS IPv6! |
| 06:45.54 | Fisker | so Arrowmaster ? |
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| 06:46.27 | Arrowmaster | its a fucking printer and it has IPv6 support in its web based configuration for its firewall |
| 06:56.49 | durcyn | something's wrong when Canon has IPv6 figured out before AT&T or Time Warner |
| 06:57.11 | durcyn | </amarande> |
| 06:58.48 | Arrowmaster | this one is an HP |
| 07:05.27 | cbreak-work | Arrowmaster: HP makes great printers in my experience |
| 07:05.46 | Arrowmaster | thats the reason i bought this one |
| 07:06.07 | Arrowmaster | i just plugged it in and could print to it from linux without any trouble |
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| 07:06.44 | cbreak-work | thanks to apple :) |
| 07:06.49 | cbreak-work | cups is rather neat |
| 07:07.10 | cbreak-work | and postscript is probably the only good thing adobe made... ever... |
| 07:08.33 | stuf | every time somebody mentions adobe and good in the same sentence, my dormant OCD wakes up and automatically pastes the url to http://adobegripes.tumblr.com |
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| 07:22.09 | Arrowmaster | apple is destroying cups though |
| 07:22.31 | Arrowmaster | cutting out all the features that dont benefit osx |
| 07:22.34 | cbreak-work | :( |
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| 07:24.33 | karl_w_w | how will they drink tea and coffee if they destroy the cups? :( |
| 07:25.25 | cbreak-work | Java's dead. |
| 07:26.30 | karl_w_w | sudden coffeecup flashback |
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| 07:51.59 | zenzio | "Half-Life of DNA is 521 Years, Jurassic Park Impossible After All" |
| 07:56.23 | Fisker | what? |
| 07:57.18 | Fisker | hey a Stanzilla |
| 08:03.03 | karl_w_w | zenzio: but amber! |
| 08:03.39 | Kalroth | i saw on Fringe that amber stores things forever |
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| 08:04.24 | Fisker | how does dna have a half-life? |
| 08:04.24 | starlon | Is there a macro for taking a screenshot? |
| 08:04.40 | starlon | asks Fisker to google for him. |
| 08:04.42 | starlon | :/ |
| 08:04.43 | Kalroth | DNA is the missing half-life 3 |
| 08:04.48 | starlon | brb |
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| 08:05.03 | karl_w_w | starlon: /run Screenshot() |
| 08:05.05 | karl_w_w | hard? |
| 08:05.27 | Dagmar | So... you're basically saying that the news is encoding secret messages about video games in their headlines. |
| 08:05.29 | starlon | well it's always good to know commands you've never used |
| 08:05.32 | Fisker | donkeyboner |
| 08:10.36 | mckenziemc | tosses Fisker a bone. |
| 08:11.14 | Fisker | farts on mckenziemc |
| 08:11.23 | mckenziemc | dodges. |
| 08:16.49 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.11 | Kalroth | fisker is a flying cloud |
| 08:18.21 | karl_w_w | he wishes |
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| 08:19.24 | starlon | Fisker's floating high? |
| 08:19.33 | starlon | Puff puff pass man. |
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| 08:34.51 | zenzio | "This graphics tutorial looks pretty good for a modern introduction"... linked by John Carmack. I trust it really must be kind of decent then |
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| 08:40.27 | mitch0 | zenzio: linky? |
| 08:41.24 | zenzio | http://arcsynthesis.org/gltut/index.html |
| 08:41.40 | mitch0 | thanks. bookmarked |
| 08:43.17 | zenzio | I don't understand this concept of "voter registration" in the US, are you not simply already registered? |
| 08:43.52 | mitch0 | heh, we're going to get this voter registration here, too |
| 08:43.55 | mitch0 | stupid shit |
| 08:44.00 | mitch0 | (here being .hu) |
| 08:44.41 | mitch0 | we're headed towards changing democracy to being a kingdom or somesuch... |
| 08:44.45 | mitch0 | oh well </politics> |
| 08:45.05 | zenzio | hehe |
| 08:45.18 | zenzio | well, those aren't really the same thing |
| 08:45.30 | mitch0 | zenzio: that tut indeed looks pretty nice |
| 08:45.43 | mitch0 | wget --mirror :) |
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| 08:46.45 | zenzio | that sounds like a good idea actually |
| 08:49.03 | mitch0 | Downloaded: 356 files, 5.3M in 1m 9s (78.4 KB/s) |
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| 09:25.25 | karl_w_w | democracy is so democratic in australia that you get a fine if you don't vote |
| 09:28.38 | Elkano | s/vote/vote right/ ;) |
| 09:29.49 | nevcairiel | not voting is also a choice in democracy |
| 09:30.03 | nevcairiel | although its usually better to go voting and vote "invalid" |
| 09:30.05 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: not in australia it isnt :P |
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| 09:52.08 | mitch0 | karl_w_w: you can still vote invalid as nev said, can't you? |
| 09:52.30 | mitch0 | also, someone fix bitbucket. need to check out this premake thing |
| 09:54.06 | karl_w_w | i think so mitch0 |
| 09:55.30 | mitch0 | hm. it's lua all the way down to turtles |
| 10:13.53 | Elkano | I also guess they are only able to tell you showed up, not how you voted |
| 10:17.39 | sintAcks | pokes Elkano with weirdly formated time strings |
| 10:18.21 | Elkano | m,Y-s#M+h? |
| 10:18.33 | sintAcks | wat |
| 10:18.47 | sintAcks | wtb old time format back |
| 10:19.30 | Elkano | which one? |
| 10:19.40 | sintAcks | HH:MM:SS |
| 10:22.50 | Elkano | what's you problem with HH:MM/MM:SS/SS.s? |
| 10:24.59 | sintAcks | biggest is it's now more characters. and the other being there is no leading 0, so it shifts right every 60 seconds for 10 seconds. and timers aren't normally in sync, so there are multiple buff timers going in and out of the <10 seconds shift |
| 10:26.24 | sintAcks | i also don't care for the .x seconds |
| 10:27.50 | sintAcks | MM:SS vs MMm SSs/SS.ss |
| 10:28.38 | Semlar | mmm |
| 10:30.13 | sintAcks | new: http://puu.sh/1dAqR -- old: http://puu.sh/1dAra |
| 10:31.17 | sintAcks | Might is a good example. can't even read the full buff name anymore. |
| 10:31.44 | sintAcks | Yes, Fort goes against that, because you couldn't read the full buff before either, but you could at least see "fortitu" |
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| 10:54.44 | jnwhiteh | BabyQuackers: hihi |
| 10:55.43 | jnwhiteh | BabyQuackers: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18190-TomTomPing.html looks like it should do what you want it to. |
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| 11:30.01 | Elkano | sintAcks, did you use CLOCK or CONDENSED? |
| 11:30.24 | Elkano | sounds like CONDENSED to me, so try CLOCK |
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| 11:34.29 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215653/Kitty-Cat-Buttons-Jack-Russell-think-SISTERS-rescue-centre.html?ICO=most_read_module |
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| 12:11.21 | zenzio | lol, that's awesome |
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| 12:52.17 | zenzio | my friend has too much time on his hands... :-| http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/z58e9/i_made_a_streaming_application_so_i_could_stream/ |
| 12:57.34 | karl_w_w | just put 3 golden lotuses on the AH and it took 5s for them to be bought |
| 12:57.52 | zenzio | heh |
| 12:59.25 | zenzio | I tend to have similar experiences when I put up old-expansion materials |
| 13:03.34 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.29 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 13:45.32 | karl_w_w | so I'm trying to add the number of daily quests back onto the quest log, I have this so far which is basically how it was done in framexml before they removed it: http://codepad.org/U2vFHEFs |
| 13:45.50 | karl_w_w | the only problem is it's coming out in a dull colour like this http://i49.tinypic.com/dfglya.png |
| 13:46.21 | karl_w_w | who knows why? :P |
| 13:48.59 | Coote | Can't say for sure, but judging by the looks, it seems to be behind an art layer. |
| 13:53.19 | Torhal|work | karl_w_w: You're also creating a new FontString every time the hooked function is called. |
| 13:54.32 | Torhal|work | Change "BACKGROUND" to "OVERLAY" for the CreateFontString entry and add a check for already-created. |
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| 14:20.08 | karl_w_w | good point Torhal|work, although that didnt fix the problem |
| 14:21.39 | Torhal|work | karl_w_w: OVERLAY didn't? :/ |
| 14:22.22 | karl_w_w | nope |
| 14:22.35 | karl_w_w | ah, for quests it's QuestLogQuestCount:SetFormattedText(QUEST_LOG_COUNT_TEMPLATE, "|cffffffff", numQuests, MAX_QUESTLOG_QUESTS); |
| 14:24.19 | karl_w_w | so maybe it's changed or something? |
| 14:24.21 | karl_w_w | confused |
| 14:25.36 | karl_w_w | nope |
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| 14:25.40 | karl_w_w | that's not it |
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| 14:28.28 | karl_w_w | I've probably missed something from the xml |
| 14:29.37 | Dark_Elf | DAILY_QUEST_TAG_TEMPLATE ? |
| 14:32.41 | karl_w_w | oh look dalaran is a CRZ |
| 14:33.23 | Ressy | Dalaran's usually dead anyways. |
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| 14:35.17 | karl_w_w | got it |
| 14:35.23 | karl_w_w | i was a derp |
| 14:35.31 | karl_w_w | QuestLogDailyQuestCount = QuestLogCount:CreateFontString("QuestLogDailyQuestCount", "ARTWORK", "GameFontNormalSmall") |
| 14:36.03 | karl_w_w | ^ working, previous: |
| 14:36.04 | karl_w_w | QuestLogDailyQuestCount = QuestLogFrame:CreateFontString("QuestLogDailyQuestCount", "ARTWORK", "GameFontNormalSmall") |
| 14:37.01 | karl_w_w | now I just have to consider whether I really have done 45 quests today |
| 14:37.06 | karl_w_w | or if the function is lying |
| 14:37.31 | karl_w_w | somebody /dump GetDailyQuestsCompleted() for me? :P |
| 14:47.31 | End_ | I get one, which is accurate because I've only done one |
| 14:47.35 | End_ | (today) |
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| 14:53.30 | karl_w_w | cool |
| 15:01.33 | Unkle | Station |
| 15:03.38 | karl_w_w | only now learns that the hovering over the number of daily quests you have done on the quest log used to return the time remaining until dailies reset |
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| 15:07.55 | Unkle | Now that it no longer matters? |
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| 15:08.39 | Vladinator | ;) |
| 15:09.30 | karl_w_w | why wouldn't it matter Unkle? |
| 15:09.58 | Sidni | ok I have a ?? and I am very new to doing addons so yea its probably a dumb one but I cant find it via goggle or searching and dont want to be searching all day for a single number, I am trying to work on one of my favorite addons which hasnt been updated since mist but I cannot find the number associated with mist or figure out where the dev came up with the numbers he has assigned the other expansions |
| 15:10.20 | Shirik | why do you want to change it? |
| 15:10.33 | Sidni | update it to include mist daily quest |
| 15:10.56 | Unkle | Unlimited numbers of dailies now, does it really matter how many more you can do and that they will reset at 3AM Pacific? |
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| 15:11.13 | Shirik | oh I assumed he was talking about TOC |
| 15:11.43 | Unkle | Shirik I think her is talking about the TOC |
| 15:11.59 | Shirik | confused |
| 15:12.00 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:12.03 | Shirik | two different conversations |
| 15:12.04 | Sidni | no Toc updates to the version number |
| 15:12.19 | Shirik | so what number are we talking about here |
| 15:12.50 | karl_w_w | no it doesn't Unkle, it matters how long you have left to do today's dailies |
| 15:13.10 | Sidni | thats what I cant figure out, its assigned category numbers for each expansion and faction I have the faction numbers but I cant find where the expansion numbers came from |
| 15:13.26 | Shirik | what do these numbers actually do? |
| 15:14.22 | Sidni | the faction one tracks possible quest completed from each faction I cant trace where the expansion one really goes to |
| 15:14.58 | karl_w_w | what are the numbers you have for previous expansions? |
| 15:15.43 | Sidni | classic 1118 BC 980 wrath 1097 cata 1162 |
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| 15:22.34 | Sidni | as I go through more and more of the category section though it keeps on getting more inconsistent on the numbers the main city quest have 1, 2 , 3 in that section while the older dailys have the other numbers |
| 15:27.50 | Stanzilla | foxlit: wtb challenger's path teleport spells oPie ring! |
| 15:28.21 | foxlit | Stanzilla: could you create one yourself? :) |
| 15:28.45 | Stanzilla | I could! |
| 15:30.10 | foxlit | Probably even without writing a line of Lua code? :) |
| 15:30.34 | Shirik | wow |
| 15:30.38 | Unkle | ZOMG - Drag and drop! |
| 15:30.39 | Shirik | subliminal spam messages |
| 15:30.53 | Shirik | in a discussion about someone leaving a company: He was the face of the game and seemed to be involved wow powerleveling in many decisions. So if you were happy or unhappy, he seems like the person to point to. We don't actually know what he did though. |
| 15:31.01 | Shirik | wow powerleveling is a link |
| 15:31.25 | Unkle | Shirik that (give me all your money) is very interseting. You should (do it now!) investigate that in depth. |
| 15:31.39 | Stanzilla | foxlit: yes :D |
| 15:31.44 | foxlit | Shirik: the non-link sentences are ripped from other posts |
| 15:32.12 | foxlit | The ultimate goal isn't even the spam message, but website ranking algorithms. |
| 15:32.16 | Unkle | to avoid spam filters most likely. |
| 15:32.26 | Shirik | Unkle: According to Quicken, my net worth is less than $0 |
| 15:32.33 | Shirik | mostly because FU student loans |
| 15:32.40 | Shirik | so does that mean you pay me money instead? |
| 15:32.53 | Unkle | Shirk You clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle. Give them to me. Now. |
| 15:33.11 | Shirik | o.O |
| 15:33.33 | Shirik | foxlit: ah, that makes sense |
| 15:33.38 | Unkle | Terminator II? WTF is wrong with you? |
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| 15:36.00 | foxlit | Stanzilla: but it's an interesting idea anyway. File a ticket? :) |
| 15:36.23 | Stanzilla | I can do that, curseforge? |
| 15:36.27 | foxlit | yep |
| 15:36.31 | Stanzilla | hokay |
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| 15:48.33 | Neffi | Really awesome picture of a star death: http://tinyurl.com/8an3tok |
| 15:48.47 | Neffi | I've never seen a pattern like that before in star death. It's quite nice. |
| 15:51.56 | Shirik | where did Unkle go |
| 15:52.46 | karl_w_w | I shot him |
| 15:52.49 | karl_w_w | in the face |
| 15:53.17 | karl_w_w | I wanted to see if he'd make a pretty pattern like Neffi's star |
| 15:53.25 | Neffi | lol |
| 15:53.43 | Neffi | Said star had a companion pulling on the material which caused the spiral. Does Unkle have a companion? |
| 15:54.04 | karl_w_w | who knows! |
| 15:54.11 | karl_w_w | he seems like a nice enough guy |
| 15:54.23 | Arrowmaster | senator john mccain just called and inturupted my breakfast, that bastard |
| 15:54.48 | karl_w_w | isnt he dead yet? |
| 15:55.09 | Neffi | is waiting for a pun on waterboarding. |
| 15:55.50 | Neffi | Also, programmers, please clean up your directories on uninstall. |
| 15:55.53 | Neffi | thanks |
| 16:01.33 | Shirik | but that's so haaaaaaardddddd |
| 16:01.40 | Shirik | also, users, don't uninstall my software |
| 16:01.46 | Shirik | problem solved |
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| 16:03.40 | neutronimity | Why do mining/herb nodes disappear from my mining map if it's based on distance, and I'm standing still? :/ |
| 16:03.49 | neutronimity | I know they haven't been harvested. |
| 16:04.26 | neutronimity | They fade out in a range far too short for my taste |
| 16:05.03 | karl_w_w | why does goldie hawn have such shiny eyeballs? |
| 16:09.43 | Neffi | Ugh. |
| 16:10.13 | Neffi | Theorizing on a new system for combined physics and rendering when I stumble across a forum post asking about the feasibility of my exact idea. |
| 16:10.22 | Neffi | Why is it so impossible to be original nowadays? |
| 16:11.07 | nevcairiel | people never were original, without the wide-spread internet you just didnt find out about others peoples plans |
| 16:11.46 | karl_w_w | tl;dr: ignorance is bliss |
| 16:21.08 | Krapsy | say that they stole it from you |
| 16:21.19 | Krapsy | or ask him to be partners |
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| 16:38.45 | Neffi | Well it turns out my idea was being done in the '90s. Its called ray-tracing. But that's only part of the problem. I'm thinking of it from the standpoint of a quantum system, which has also probably been done but I think I've got some unique ideas. |
| 16:39.10 | Neffi | Let him approach the same problem, he might find a new way to ray-trace. I'm going to approach the problem too, and I think I can come up with a better system. |
| 16:39.35 | Neffi | If my ideas can come to fruition it would mean realtime physics where 3D rendering is only a consequence of the system |
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| 16:42.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/dailyquestcounter and that's how you make dah addonz! |
| 16:42.18 | karl_w_w | ooh I should upload a screenshot |
| 16:42.47 | Neffi | Oh, thanks. |
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| 16:46.52 | Neffi | Is there not supposed to be a general chat in the Shrine, or is my UI just bugging? |
| 16:50.28 | karl_w_w | i dont think there is |
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| 16:57.12 | Ackis | are realms just being restarted or is it it going to be a while? |
| 16:57.48 | Krapsy | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/239882-mists-of-pandaria-iphone-cases-and-mousepads/ |
| 16:58.00 | Krapsy | ~wowalert |
| 16:58.00 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 16:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | i like how there's no consistency to chen's eye color |
| 16:58.35 | Mr_Rabies | it used to be green, but they changed it to yellow, but some of the merch is still green |
| 16:58.36 | Mr_Rabies | :X |
| 17:01.24 | Neffi | Drinking all that beer has strange effects on the body |
| 17:01.30 | Fisker | i'm telling you jnwhiteh |
| 17:01.34 | Fisker | LG Nexus is the new black |
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| 17:05.03 | Arrowmaster | fuck i may have done something wrong when messing with wpa_supplicant.conf on my phone |
| 17:05.44 | Fisker | no Arrowmaster |
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| 17:07.36 | Krapsy | three thousand percent https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/MQRC9PZ3CZ1K1349891151349.jpg?v=0 |
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| 17:21.50 | Fisker | man Arrowmaster |
| 17:21.52 | Fisker | lg nexus |
| 17:22.17 | Arrowmaster | i need to see more specs before i decide to upgrade |
| 17:23.59 | Neffi | $20 says it lacks a microSD card |
| 17:24.05 | Fisker | yeah Neffi |
| 17:24.16 | Fisker | but best specs |
| 17:24.19 | Neffi | This whole push to pidgeonhole us into using cloud storage is really fucking ugly. |
| 17:24.57 | Neffi | Specs are awesome if your primary goal is benchmarking. Useless if you care more about using the phone. |
| 17:24.59 | Fisker | i wouldn't mind so much if i could actually officially use all the services :P |
| 17:25.10 | Fisker | haven't locally stored music since i started using google music |
| 17:25.35 | Subspace | I just uploaded my project onto curseforge last night |
| 17:25.39 | Subspace | It got approved. |
| 17:25.41 | Neffi | Also question how much the cusotm software stack every manufacturer layers on top of Android affects actual performance. And what kind of time they're investing into proper kernel and Android configuration/tweaks to make the most out of what's there. |
| 17:25.43 | Fisker | but in my opinion there shouldn't be any 8/16GB versions of phones without MicroSD |
| 17:25.45 | Neffi | In my experience that's none at all |
| 17:26.00 | Subspace | I went to tag it with the tag, "1.0" |
| 17:26.08 | Fisker | yeah Neffi |
| 17:26.09 | Subspace | But it wont make a release file, or any zip or anything |
| 17:26.11 | Arrowmaster | honestly a microsd card slot wouldnt help me that much on a stock rom, on my nexus7 most of the space is taken up by extra data files for games |
| 17:26.20 | Subspace | How do I release my project from curseforge to curse? |
| 17:26.21 | Fisker | The LG Optimus G had some horrible browser performance |
| 17:26.45 | Neffi | Android is in a sad state because manufacturers care more about making things eem bigger and better to the consumer, than investing in R&D to actually improve the platform. |
| 17:26.55 | Fisker | which btw is basically the same hardware the LG Nexus is going to have |
| 17:27.17 | Fisker | but it's good that it is Google making the software then and not LG |
| 17:27.19 | Neffi | When basement programmers are producing higher quality ROMs that are faster and more fluid, and get better battery life, than big industry giants can even manage, you know there's a problem. |
| 17:28.00 | nevcairiel | thats always easy to claim, but those custom roms have their own (sometimes rather serious) flaws and shortcomings |
| 17:28.18 | Neffi | Sometimes yes. It varies greatly. |
| 17:28.53 | Neffi | If you're using an SoC that's very hard to develop drivers for, and very hard to figure out how to use the binary blobs, you'll have major bugs. Which is why the manufacturers should be putting in the effort. |
| 17:29.28 | Neffi | It's awesome that custom ROMs can derive more performance and battery life often, but the manufacturers are the ones with the real capabilities because they have access no FOSS programmer does to closed stuff. |
| 17:30.06 | Neffi | If a manufacturer put the amount of R&D into this stuff that hobbyists already do for free, I'd buy their phone best specs or not. |
| 17:30.25 | nevcairiel | i recently updated my SGS2, and the battery life improved by like 50% =p |
| 17:31.56 | karl_w_w | Subspace: what project? |
| 17:32.23 | Subspace | karl_w_w, libenemyinfo. I just got help from Torhal|work in #curseforge |
| 17:33.02 | karl_w_w | Torhal|work claims another victim :( |
| 17:33.39 | Neffi | Subspace: This looks useful. Any concise docs coming? |
| 17:34.03 | Subspace | Neffi, If you or anyone else wants to use it, I can make docs |
| 17:34.12 | Neffi | I'm considering it |
| 17:34.13 | Subspace | Let me know, so I can clean up the interface a bit better first though |
| 17:34.26 | Neffi | I'm only thumbing through. What's the purpose of the config? |
| 17:34.49 | Torhal|work | stabs karl_w_w with a pillow. |
| 17:34.55 | Subspace | Neffi, Some people may not want to sent/recieve updates on players from their teammates, preferring only to use the combat log |
| 17:35.06 | Neffi | Ah I see |
| 17:35.36 | Neffi | I'll be picking it apart more later, but so far this looks like something I could use. |
| 17:35.49 | karl_w_w | love you too Torhal|work |
| 17:35.50 | Neffi | Was gonna reproduce a lot of what this does anyway, and your code is neat and clean |
| 17:36.05 | Subspace | :O |
| 17:36.13 | Subspace | My code got called clean. *Happy dance* |
| 17:36.21 | Neffi | lol |
| 17:36.48 | Neffi | Will you be taking recommendations if I think I can make something more efficient/better? |
| 17:37.08 | karl_w_w | he's being sarcastic. look at all those semicolons :P |
| 17:37.10 | Neffi | I mean as-is it looks just great, but I'm always really anal about being as efficient as possible with CLEU, since it's so spammy |
| 17:37.20 | Subspace | karl_w_w, I like C :| |
| 17:37.35 | Subspace | Neffi, Sure, if you can think something up let me know :) |
| 17:37.43 | Humbedooh | was slowly weaned off semicolons over a very long period of time :\ |
| 17:37.45 | Neffi | Awesome. |
| 17:37.52 | Subspace | Either tell me where the prob is and let me change it, or send me a patch or something |
| 17:38.02 | Subspace | Don't really care too much :P |
| 17:38.17 | Neffi | How close do you consider this to being finished/API locked? |
| 17:38.28 | Neffi | Should I wait before playing with it in any major way? |
| 17:39.17 | Subspace | Yeah wait before you play with the API in a major way |
| 17:39.25 | Subspace | I want to hide some of the internals a bit more |
| 17:39.51 | Neffi | btw you're doing a lot of loops on each CLEU |
| 17:39.54 | karl_w_w | Ctrl+H -> ; -> Alt+I |
| 17:39.55 | Neffi | why not use a lookup table? |
| 17:40.14 | Subspace | Neffi, I'm used to C, and wasn't sure if tables were faster or slower |
| 17:40.24 | Subspace | But I read they take up more ram, so was like, eh |
| 17:40.36 | Neffi | Way more as in bytes |
| 17:40.42 | Neffi | Don't read into that. |
| 17:41.15 | Subspace | Currently my addons have a very small footprint in bytes |
| 17:41.32 | Torhal|work | CPU chews through FPS. |
| 17:41.35 | Neffi | checking if it's at table[value] is constant. it's very fast. looping an array to see if it's there can become very slow, especially if you're looping a dozen arrays each CLEU (which can spam dozens of times a second) |
| 17:41.36 | Subspace | Hmm |
| 17:41.38 | Torhal|work | WoW is very CPU-locked. |
| 17:41.44 | Subspace | I see |
| 17:42.05 | Subspace | table[value] runs in O(1)? |
| 17:42.35 | Neffi | If you constructed this with lookup tables you'd still be measuring RAM usage in kilobytes (not even hundreds of them). But you'd cut your CPU cycles tremendously at worst case |
| 17:42.40 | Neffi | yes |
| 17:42.51 | Neffi | Table indexes are a hash, not a search |
| 17:42.55 | Subspace | Maybe I will do that then. |
| 17:43.05 | Subspace | I see |
| 17:43.32 | Neffi | Register print to the CLEU event one day and then enter a raid or BG |
| 17:43.45 | Neffi | From then on you'll never be able to stop wondering, can I make this faster? |
| 17:43.53 | Subspace | Yeah |
| 17:43.54 | Neffi | It can fire hundreds of times a second, sometimes more |
| 17:43.59 | Subspace | hmm, ok |
| 17:44.02 | Neffi | More often than OnUpdate |
| 17:44.21 | Subspace | BTW, is there a better way to do callbacks then what I did? |
| 17:44.38 | Neffi | Give me an example. line number. |
| 17:44.43 | Subspace | 1 sec |
| 17:45.39 | Subspace | if LibEI.AlertRefresh then |
| 17:45.40 | Subspace | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.40 | Subspace | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.46 | Subspace | 513 |
| 17:45.58 | Subspace | I have another addon define that, which seems *very* bad |
| 17:46.03 | Neffi | It is |
| 17:46.09 | Neffi | 2 addons using the lib = broken |
| 17:46.10 | Subspace | Since then you can't have two addons that use it |
| 17:46.13 | Subspace | Yeah, exactly |
| 17:46.24 | Neffi | Maybe see LibCallbackHandler, or whatever it's called |
| 17:46.28 | Subspace | ok |
| 17:46.31 | Neffi | I don't use it, but most lib devs do |
| 17:46.49 | Subspace | How does the packaging ususally work for libs? |
| 17:47.12 | Neffi | People have called my callback implementation bad because it's not friendly to debugging. So I'm not the best person to construct your callbacks. |
| 17:47.14 | Subspace | Do only devs download the libs themselves and endusers get the lib downloaded w/ the addon? |
| 17:47.18 | Neffi | (It's fast though :D ) |
| 17:47.56 | Neffi | Yeah, the lib usually gets placed in the addon's folder, in "libs". The best way IMO is to include a file called "load.xml" with the lib, which then includes your Lua files w/ a <Script> line |
| 17:48.13 | Neffi | That way when they embed, they just need to include "libs\somelib\load.xml" in their TOC |
| 17:48.32 | Subspace | How do I prevent it from loading 2x? |
| 17:48.41 | Neffi | You can use LibStub |
| 17:48.42 | Subspace | If there are two addons using it, for example |
| 17:48.57 | Neffi | But it's very easy to construct basic versioning |
| 17:49.08 | Subspace | That seems so... wrong. |
| 17:49.10 | Neffi | Check for an existing instance, compare its version number to the one loading, and bail out if it's >=. |
| 17:49.20 | Subspace | But most things in the windows universe seem wrong to me |
| 17:49.33 | Neffi | Then make sure your objects are constructed so that they don't get overridden or accidentally lost when you're loading twice. |
| 17:49.43 | Subspace | Versioning is fine, but having each program keep a copy of the lib seems wrong |
| 17:50.22 | Neffi | Construct your code so that objects are only ever created once. Like: mylib.mydata = mylib.mydata or {} |
| 17:50.29 | Neffi | So it can safely be loaded twice |
| 17:50.35 | Subspace | Hmm I see |
| 17:50.41 | Neffi | Then make your code aware of the fact that pre-existing data might be in those objects |
| 17:51.00 | Neffi | The initial load shouldn't do anything destructive to what might already exist |
| 17:51.14 | Subspace | Still dosent stop 2 copies of my code from being in memory does it? |
| 17:51.19 | Neffi | nope |
| 17:51.26 | Neffi | because they're both loading into the same global namespace |
| 17:51.33 | Neffi | so the new just overwrites the old |
| 17:51.34 | Subspace | :| |
| 17:51.50 | Neffi | you want your functions to overwrite the old ones, because that's the whole point of having a new version |
| 17:52.06 | Neffi | and if you ever change anything that would lead to incompatibility, you version bump |
| 17:52.27 | Subspace | Well, yes, that is standard with libs. |
| 17:52.38 | Subspace | (Which I havent implemented yet :|) |
| 17:52.43 | Neffi | So one addon can be load "mylib-1.2" and another one can use the incompatible "mylib-1.3". Index their namespace by the major version in addition to the name. |
| 17:52.57 | Torhal|work | Reiterating here: The new one overwrites the old one. So you don't use twenty times the memory if 20 AddOns use your lib. |
| 17:53.06 | Neffi | Eg my libs are accessed using: _G['nfWidget-2.0']. 2.1 can load side-by-side because it's a different global namespace. |
| 17:53.09 | Subspace | Torhal|work, Thats what I wanted to know |
| 17:53.55 | Neffi | Anyway, see LibStub. That's what everyone uses to do this for them. |
| 17:54.02 | Subspace | ok |
| 17:55.58 | Subspace | Neffi, BTW, I made my two addons GPL-2, but dont really care *that* much about licesnse. If you need a diff license I will prob be ok w/ that, so long as it is F/OSS |
| 17:56.59 | Neffi | Well by a technicality WoW addons cannot be GPL |
| 17:57.08 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 17:57.14 | jnwhiteh | I'd like you to substantiate that fo rme |
| 17:57.21 | jnwhiteh | why is that the case? |
| 17:57.25 | Subspace | "Linking" issues maybe? |
| 17:57.28 | Fisker | anyone getting an error trying to install 5.1 ptr? |
| 17:57.29 | jnwhiteh | there are none |
| 17:57.30 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 17:57.33 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: hi |
| 17:58.02 | Subspace | For sure if WoW was GPL, addons would also have to be since is would be a derivative work I would assume |
| 17:58.09 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 17:58.09 | Subspace | But the other way? |
| 17:58.10 | Neffi | Because it loads into the same address space as closed code |
| 17:58.14 | jnwhiteh | using an API does not make a derivative work |
| 17:58.26 | jnwhiteh | Neffi: that's not correct |
| 17:58.30 | jnwhiteh | I can write a plugin for Scheme |
| 17:58.33 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 17:58.34 | jnwhiteh | Gimp |
| 17:58.37 | Neffi | This debate happened on WoWAce a while ago, and they came to the conclusion that the GPL is invalid for WoW addons. I believe somebody from the FSF confirmed it. |
| 17:58.46 | jnwhiteh | yeah, I'd like to see the proof for that |
| 17:58.51 | Subspace | I suppose you are right, interfaces are protected from copyright claims iirc |
| 17:58.55 | Neffi | I emailed the FSF personally and they told me it *should* be invalid, but they didnt know enough about the WoW addon process to say for sure |
| 17:59.01 | jnwhiteh | They don't know enough |
| 17:59.14 | jnwhiteh | I have written addon code that runs outside wow |
| 17:59.18 | Fisker | noone with ptr install issues? |
| 17:59.18 | jnwhiteh | I could GPL that |
| 17:59.24 | jnwhiteh | the same code could then be run inside WoW |
| 17:59.30 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't require it to not be GPL |
| 17:59.34 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't make sense |
| 17:59.40 | Neffi | I guess it doesn't |
| 17:59.45 | Neffi | If I found the thread I'd link it |
| 17:59.48 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 17:59.58 | jnwhiteh | the argument I gave is pretty clear and dry-cut, though |
| 18:00.06 | jnwhiteh | say I write a priority queue implementation in Lua |
| 18:00.08 | Subspace | Well if there are any legal problems in any way, let me know :p |
| 18:00.11 | jnwhiteh | I GPL it |
| 18:00.17 | jnwhiteh | it works both in and out of WoW |
| 18:01.08 | Neffi | I think it depends more on whether your code is specifically interfacing WoW's API and existing data |
| 18:01.20 | jnwhiteh | interfacing with an API doesn't suddenly cross a line |
| 18:01.21 | jnwhiteh | another example |
| 18:01.26 | Neffi | You can load anything into the environment, but most addons are specifically playing with non-free parts of the environment |
| 18:01.27 | jnwhiteh | RIFT uses many of the same APIs |
| 18:01.35 | jnwhiteh | I can use my addon there |
| 18:01.39 | Torhal|work | As does Runes of Magic. |
| 18:01.44 | jnwhiteh | which could (in theory) be another MMO which has another license |
| 18:01.47 | jnwhiteh | the logic on this just falls down |
| 18:02.20 | Arrowmaster | from what i remember we had this discussion a long time ago on the wowace forums and decided that some provision in the GPL thats used for java libraries can be used for wow addons |
| 18:03.04 | jnwhiteh | its a slightly different case, but here: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL |
| 18:03.31 | Neffi | Well in any case nobody said an exception to the GPL cannot be written. I totally agree with jnwhiteh on this, but I'm basing the claims on the conclusion others had already come to. |
| 18:03.36 | jnwhiteh | although that comes to the other conclusion |
| 18:03.47 | jnwhiteh | well, I disagree with the way they reached those conclusions |
| 18:03.54 | jnwhiteh | it takes someone who really REALL understands precisely what is going on |
| 18:03.58 | jnwhiteh | and I don't trust that that occurred =) |
| 18:04.02 | Neffi | I'm not in the position to say authoratatively that they're wrong. They came to their conclusions for good reasons, so it's worth considering the matter more. |
| 18:04.47 | Neffi | All this technicality bullshit is the prime reason I just use the MIT license. |
| 18:04.49 | jnwhiteh | The fact of the matter is the addon code is never bundled with WoW |
| 18:04.58 | jnwhiteh | the license doesn't really work that way |
| 18:06.05 | Arrowmaster | read through http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=3763 |
| 18:06.18 | jnwhiteh | ty |
| 18:07.34 | jnwhiteh | I was a part of that discussion =) |
| 18:07.50 | Arrowmaster | i know, wasnt talking to you |
| 18:07.55 | jnwhiteh | ah =) |
| 18:08.16 | Subspace | What about LGPL? |
| 18:08.43 | Subspace | Any potential legal problems there? |
| 18:08.56 | jnwhiteh | LGPL is safe |
| 18:09.00 | jnwhiteh | its designed to get around the linking issue |
| 18:09.29 | jnwhiteh | if the GPL is an issue, its an issue for the user that is using it, not for the developers =) |
| 18:09.43 | jnwhiteh | meaning they can download our addons but they cannot use them |
| 18:09.46 | jnwhiteh | I'm fine with that |
| 18:10.07 | Subspace | I see |
| 18:10.08 | Subspace | Yeah |
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| 18:11.36 | jnwhiteh | so its one of those nonsense things |
| 18:11.56 | jnwhiteh | unless you're talking inter-addon dependencies |
| 18:12.04 | jnwhiteh | if I rely on a library, I have some licensing issues |
| 18:12.08 | jnwhiteh | potentially |
| 18:12.34 | Subspace | Well I have a lib that I'm writing, and then a user interface that uses that lib |
| 18:12.53 | Subspace | I eventually want others (eg. Neffi ) to be able to use the lib |
| 18:13.11 | jnwhiteh | I think the LGPL makes the most sense then, by far |
| 18:13.14 | Neffi | LGPL was designed for libs |
| 18:13.16 | jnwhiteh | it gives you re-absorption |
| 18:13.16 | Subspace | Also, is the preferred way of distributing the lib to stick it in the main addon's dir? |
| 18:13.25 | jnwhiteh | and protects the addons that link with it |
| 18:13.38 | Subspace | I would rather non-free addons not link to it though |
| 18:13.43 | jnwhiteh | why? |
| 18:13.50 | Neffi | But honesty, I don't see the necessity to restrict the freedoms of non-critical code. I mean, what's the harm if Blizzard decided they loved what you did and wanted to use the code? |
| 18:13.52 | Subspace | "Fairness" I guess? |
| 18:14.02 | Subspace | Though I would never enforce such a thing; I don't care that much. |
| 18:14.14 | Torhal|work | All Rights Reserved gets around it as well: You're uploading the library with the implied waiving of the right to distribute with your AddOn, while getting around the GPL nonsense and alow stopping sites like WoWMatrix or World of AddOns from freeloading off of you and sending false bug reports your way. |
| 18:14.27 | Subspace | Yeah, I would be cool w/ blizz taking it also I suppose |
| 18:14.28 | Torhal|work | shrugs. |
| 18:14.40 | Neffi | But WoW is non-free. |
| 18:15.00 | Subspace | Yes, I understand WoW is non-free |
| 18:15.05 | Neffi | The way I see it, if you're developing code for free, you're doing it for the betterment of the community. Why restrict that? |
| 18:15.15 | Subspace | I want the people who use it to give something back in some way |
| 18:15.26 | Arrowmaster | because the community is full of assholes |
| 18:15.32 | jnwhiteh | Subspace: give WHAT back? |
| 18:15.32 | Subspace | Other addon authors by making theirs free, Blizzard by giving us a good game |
| 18:16.00 | Subspace | If another addon author uses my lib, I want to be able to look at their code, and if there is something I like, add it to my addons |
| 18:16.01 | Torhal|work | Sorry, I'm sticking with All Rights Reserved after previous "community" actions have been taken. |
| 18:16.18 | karl_w_w | what Torhal|work said |
| 18:16.32 | Humbedooh | sticks with Torhal|work...or..sticks him...or |
| 18:16.38 | Unkle | See, I feel slightly differently. If I'm developing code for free, and I want to let people use it, I don't always want to give up all interest in it. I might want the ability to tell someone specific "You can't use my code." |
| 18:16.38 | karl_w_w | except for my habit of releasing gpl licensed addons... |
| 18:16.44 | jnwhiteh | Subspace: you can *always* look at their code |
| 18:17.17 | jnwhiteh | there's a reason the entire Lua ecosystem is MIT |
| 18:17.20 | jnwhiteh | because or NewBSd |
| 18:17.33 | jnwhiteh | because everytime something comes out that is GPL, 15 people jump and say they would never use it under that license |
| 18:17.41 | jnwhiteh | that has bled into the wow addon community as well |
| 18:19.17 | Gnarfoz | is there a load out of date addons cvar? or do you HAVE to go to the char select screen |
| 18:19.32 | nevcairiel | there is a cvar, obviously |
| 18:19.37 | End_ | pretty sure there's a cvar but it gets unset automatically |
| 18:19.38 | Gnarfoz | I can't find it |
| 18:19.50 | Gnarfoz | doesn't matter, I just want people to set it and reload instead of logging out |
| 18:20.03 | nevcairiel | SET checkAddonVersion "0" |
| 18:20.05 | Gnarfoz | because you get sent to a different instance each time you log out now |
| 18:20.22 | nevcairiel | doubtful a reload is enough, tbh |
| 18:20.44 | nevcairiel | how the hell did they not notice that on initial login before they ventured into your instance? |
| 18:20.52 | Gnarfoz | eh? |
| 18:21.00 | Gnarfoz | because some authors actually update their TOCs? |
| 18:21.10 | Gnarfoz | "my gridstatushots is missing, eek" |
| 18:21.13 | Neffi | Might need to call EnableAllAddOns() after setting the cvar |
| 18:21.23 | Gnarfoz | doubtful you notice that before a fight |
| 18:21.31 | Gnarfoz | !api enableall |
| 18:21.31 | lua_bot | EnableAllAddOns: Marks all addons as enabled (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EnableAllAddOns) |
| 18:21.35 | Gnarfoz | bad idea |
| 18:21.42 | Gnarfoz | enable ALL the addons |
| 18:21.43 | nevcairiel | that enables all addons, even the ones you have disabled :P |
| 18:21.48 | nevcairiel | either the cvar works on reload |
| 18:21.56 | nevcairiel | or you need to relog |
| 18:21.56 | Neffi | well true |
| 18:31.31 | karl_w_w | reload works |
| 18:32.38 | Neffi | 5.1's looking awesome |
| 18:32.45 | Neffi | Brawler's guild and world PvP objectives |
| 18:33.09 | Cairenn|afk | Wobin: awwwww |
| 18:33.11 | Neffi | Well thought-out world PvP objectives I might add. A huge departure from many failed attempts at static world PvP nodes. |
| 18:33.13 | Torhal|work | p3lim: Blizzard just obsoleted our AddOns. |
| 18:33.17 | Torhal|work | Heh. |
| 18:33.34 | Krapsy | whats Brawler's guild |
| 18:34.08 | Torhal|work | p3lim: For yours - A search bar has been added to the mount section of the Mount and Pet Journal. |
| 18:34.20 | nevcairiel | Krapsy: fight club |
| 18:34.29 | Neffi | First rule of Brawler's guild is, you don't talk about Brawler's guild. |
| 18:34.34 | nevcairiel | you can go solo against npc challengers |
| 18:34.37 | Krapsy | is it the training thing |
| 18:34.38 | Neffi | See the patch notes. Looks fun |
| 18:34.51 | Neffi | People can also watch fights that are happening |
| 18:35.06 | nevcairiel | can the fighter choose to allow spectators? =P |
| 18:35.17 | nevcairiel | ie training without people laughing at your fail |
| 18:35.18 | Neffi | We'll see |
| 18:35.25 | Neffi | Where's the fun in that? |
| 18:36.25 | End_ | I hope they added a flag or something to ignore filters to the pet journal api while they were obsoleting everything else |
| 18:37.09 | Torhal|work | This is the fastest I've ever seen them obsolete AddOns before. |
| 18:37.15 | End_ | well |
| 18:37.16 | End_ | I'm glad |
| 18:37.31 | Krapsy | which addon |
| 18:37.35 | nevcairiel | at least the pet ui is very new, i kinda expecetd them toying with it more |
| 18:37.43 | Torhal|work | Krapsy: They basically added most of what PetTheory does to the default UI. |
| 18:37.54 | Krapsy | ahaha |
| 18:37.56 | Torhal|work | Krapsy: Also p3lim's Collie |
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| 18:39.12 | mikma | link to patchnotes for old and lazy? |
| 18:39.34 | Krapsy | heard a cory stockton interview yesterday and he said that yeah, they explore the most popular addons and see if the ui can use them |
| 18:39.50 | Krapsy | starting in wrath with the raid ui |
| 18:39.56 | Torhal|work | mikma: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2961-Patch-5-1-on-PTR-Official-Patch-Notes |
| 18:40.12 | End_ | some of them were reallly obvious |
| 18:40.19 | End_ | like showing the quality of pets |
| 18:40.27 | Torhal|work | Yah |
| 18:45.31 | Shadowed | Is 5.1 PTR not up yet? |
| 18:47.23 | Neffi | Blog post says it's available |
| 18:47.42 | Shadowed | Hrm, has anyone been able to get the installer to work? |
| 18:47.44 | Shadowed | I get server errors |
| 18:47.51 | Coote | It does? All I see is that it's cioming soon. |
| 18:48.56 | End_ | I think that post was edited |
| 18:49.07 | karl_w_w | yeah I get "Server Error Occurred" |
| 18:49.32 | Neffi | Ah they did edit the post |
| 18:49.44 | Neffi | "available for testing soon". The initial post said it was available. |
| 18:50.53 | Coote | Think they'll pull a 4.1/4.2 again with more CLEu changes? Maybe they hadn't made up their damn minds yet? :P |
| 18:51.41 | Neffi | Let's hope not |
| 18:52.05 | Neffi | "I knew my WoWkemon was missing something. Thank you for the rare candies." lol |
| 18:53.13 | Krapsy | whats that? |
| 18:53.51 | Neffi | just lol'ing at the comments on the blog post |
| 18:56.59 | Krapsy | is there a way to upgrade your pets in there yet |
| 18:57.37 | Cairenn | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/9601453/Spoof-signs-brighten-up-the-tube-guerrilla-stickers-on-London-Underground.html |
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| 19:02.10 | foxlit | I wish there were addon sites with less terrible layouts for addon pages :( |
| 19:02.24 | kd3 | grrs |
| 19:02.30 | kd3 | it's on the mirrors somewhere |
| 19:15.42 | Adys | This guy's selling AQ scarabs in trade chat |
| 19:16.04 | Adys | tip: if you're selling something that's required for a tier with decimals in the number, you're not gonna have many buyers |
| 19:17.04 | karl_w_w | i dont see why people try and sell stuff in trade chat |
| 19:17.17 | karl_w_w | just stick it on the AH and go do something else with your time |
| 19:17.39 | mckenziemc | trolls karl_w_w. |
| 19:17.49 | karl_w_w | scrolls mckenziemc |
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| 19:18.30 | Fisker | foxlit |
| 19:18.34 | karl_w_w | heShirik |
| 19:20.46 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 19:28.47 | Subspace | kd3, If I wrote a lib and later I want to document the API for my lib (NON-Blizzard), is it on to make a single page on wowpedia for that? Or should I just put such doumentation in a text file w/ my lib? |
| 19:29.26 | Subspace | *ok |
| 19:30.26 | Fisker | kd3's kd3 |
| 19:37.41 | Adys | Alright I need some advice |
| 19:37.47 | Adys | Dagmar you might be able to help |
| 19:37.58 | Adys | I have an immense patch archive coming close to the terabyte |
| 19:38.14 | Adys | I need a way to protect it from crashes and corruption |
| 19:38.25 | Fisker | windows server 2012 |
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| 19:38.29 | Fisker | and a lot of storage |
| 19:40.23 | Adys | Fisker: i was looking for hardware solutions |
| 19:42.28 | nevcairiel | the usual way to protect your data? redundance in form of raid to protect from hardware failure, and an external backup |
| 19:42.39 | nevcairiel | redundancy* |
| 19:42.51 | karl_w_w | don't ever plug it in, because power corrupts |
| 19:42.54 | Adys | nevcairiel: how much would i be looking at for around 1TB of data? |
| 19:42.59 | Adys | karl_w_w: haha |
| 19:43.21 | Adys | karl_w_w: I saw the joke coming, but this was executed flawlessly. 10/10. |
| 19:43.50 | nevcairiel | just get some external hard-drive and copy it on there? once you have doubled the data, and one not being permanently connected to your system, the chance of catastrophic failure decreases rapidly =p |
| 19:44.18 | karl_w_w | yeah, a couple of tb external HD doesn't cost too much these days |
| 19:45.53 | Adys | BN_CHAT_INVISIBLE_OFF - You are no longer appearing offline. |
| 19:45.53 | Adys | BN_CHAT_INVISIBLE_ON - You are now appearing offline. |
| 19:46.00 | Adys | hope you're all happy |
| 19:46.09 | nevcairiel | they announced that a while ago already |
| 19:46.18 | Adys | i didnt remember |
| 19:48.05 | Fisker | you don't remember well |
| 19:48.15 | Fisker | i wonder if it's in-game as well |
| 19:48.20 | Fisker | i.e. normal whispers and shit |
| 19:48.22 | Fisker | otherwise kinda useless |
| 19:48.44 | nevcairiel | i think they said it affects normal character based friendlists as well |
| 19:48.54 | nevcairiel | obviously if you whisper someone, you find out =p |
| 19:49.05 | Adys | Awards 950 combo points. |
| 19:49.08 | Adys | did I miss something? |
| 19:49.24 | nevcairiel | there, there is 3000 now instead of 5 |
| 19:50.37 | nevcairiel | dont trust datamining is what you missed =P |
| 19:51.03 | Adys | I would know not to trust datamining thank you :P |
| 19:51.10 | Shirik | awards Adys a combo point |
| 19:51.29 | nevcairiel | i mean, that line also says 1% damage plus 78, down from 750% |
| 19:51.33 | nevcairiel | like thats right |
| 19:51.36 | Fisker | awards Shirik a Fisker point |
| 19:51.39 | karl_w_w | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794643396 say what? |
| 19:51.42 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 19:51.53 | Fisker | what are you going to do with your Fisker point? |
| 19:52.13 | Shirik | invest it |
| 19:52.38 | Fisker | i can invest it for you |
| 19:52.46 | Fisker | can you invest in combo points? |
| 19:52.56 | Shirik | only if the target doesn't die |
| 19:53.04 | Shirik | and you can only invest combo points in one thing at a time |
| 19:53.32 | Shirik | that would be an interesting mechanic |
| 19:53.35 | Shirik | if you could "bank" combo points |
| 19:53.38 | Shirik | and then recall them later |
| 19:53.48 | Fisker | i'd bank a million combo points |
| 19:57.24 | karl_w_w | Fisker: where do generals keep their armies? |
| 19:58.40 | Shirik | since when do generals have armies? |
| 19:59.00 | Neffi | there's a joke about barrens chat to be made here |
| 19:59.03 | Neffi | but i cant think of it |
| 19:59.19 | Shirik | how 2 mine 4 fish |
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| 20:13.44 | mikma | lua> for i = 1,7 do print(i) end |
| 20:13.45 | lua_bot | mikma: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 |
| 20:14.57 | Shirik | blinks at mikma |
| 20:15.34 | mikma | shirik: just showing lua to my php friend :) |
| 20:16.28 | Humbedooh | you have friends that are specifically 'php friends'? :\ |
| 20:16.50 | Humbedooh | or is he made from php? :o |
| 20:17.08 | Shirik | I didn't think php had the friend keyword |
| 20:17.36 | Shirik | doubts there are sufficient C++ developers in here to get that joke :( |
| 20:17.49 | Humbedooh | nods |
| 20:17.55 | karl_w_w | shakes |
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| 20:22.17 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:22.32 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 20:25.48 | Fisker | looks at Shirik and nods |
| 20:26.49 | Fisker | what will you do Shirik ? |
| 20:31.19 | mikma | humbedooh: simple, he works as a php coder for big internet service provider in finland |
| 20:31.39 | Humbedooh | fifnphp.fi! |
| 20:31.46 | Humbedooh | finnphp even, stupid fat fingers |
| 20:32.12 | mikma | more donuts for you |
| 20:32.19 | Humbedooh | definitely |
| 20:32.24 | Neffi | Am I missing something about dailies? |
| 20:33.04 | Neffi | People are bitching that we're getting more in 5.1. Are they reducing the effectiveness of individual dailies? I can't find any reason to complain about content you don't currently have, as if you'll be forced to do it when you do have it. |
| 20:33.42 | Neffi | Oh fuck school today. |
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| 21:14.39 | Kraps | kitty! http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2012/october/51_cinderkitty.jpg |
| 21:16.08 | Kraps | OMG EPIC BATTLE PETS |
| 21:16.32 | Alram | pewpew |
| 21:17.50 | Kraps | why not "battles" |
| 21:17.52 | Kraps | http://gyazo.com/60b1a7c75341eb68d851a6aa0da8f821.png?1349989115 |
| 21:20.03 | foxlit | Use: Make a loud, annoying sound, startling everyone within 30 yards. (30 min cooldown) // "TWEET!" |
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| 21:24.43 | Kraps | LOSS_OF_CONTROL_ stuff is for pet battles? |
| 21:27.13 | foxlit | "A new banner will appear when a player is subjected to an effect that causes them to lose control of their character. The effect that caused the loss of control and remaining duration will be displayed. Configuration options are available in the “Combat” section of the “Interface Options" menu." |
| 21:27.40 | Kraps | huh |
| 21:27.56 | foxlit | I dunno. Maybe they thought that reading debuffs is difficult. |
| 21:28.33 | Kraps | wheres darkmoon isle |
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| 21:31.53 | Dagmar | It's probably to deal with that utterly disorienting feeling when you frantically slam down on 'Q' and instead of strafing away your character turns around and calmly zerg-rushes your healer. |
| 21:33.04 | foxlit | maybe they can give you a minigame to play while you're mind controlled by the Sha of Anger. |
| 21:33.50 | Dagmar | <--plays a hunter, zero fucks given about MC |
| 21:34.04 | Dagmar | <--stands on frost traps. |
| 21:34.52 | foxlit | I think your frost trap has a shorter duration against you than that MC. |
| 21:35.20 | Dagmar | Dunno. It generally seems to get me out of ever having to worry about murdering the healer |
| 21:35.39 | foxlit | it's a 40 man raid; there are always more healers. |
| 21:36.02 | Dagmar | In that case it gets me a good 30s to open a fresh soda and take a nice long drag on a smoke |
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| 21:36.40 | Dagmar | Acutally, "up to 1m"... |
| 21:37.19 | bluspacecow | http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17404 |
| 21:37.21 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 21:37.31 | foxlit | Dagmar: PvP ruleset may apply. |
| 21:39.10 | Dagmar | It's seriously not been a problem in awhile |
| 21:42.20 | Fisker | Jaffas bluspacecow |
| 21:43.08 | Fisker | it is foxlit |
| 21:44.25 | Fisker | i got bitched at for not tanking coren direbrew while disoriented |
| 21:44.40 | foxlit | oh you! |
| 21:44.49 | foxlit | totally your own fault. |
| 21:45.08 | foxlit | Should just ignore that mob entirely; it can disorient someone else. |
| 21:45.18 | Ackis | http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/historyofbioware4.jpg?cda6c1 |
| 21:47.39 | Dagmar | ...or you could just drink the beer. |
| 21:48.41 | foxlit | Dagmar: unrelated. |
| 21:49.24 | foxlit | you get stunned if you don't drink the beer; the barrel disorient is something else entirely. |
| 21:50.14 | Dagmar | Bullshit |
| 21:50.17 | Dagmar | BEER FIXES EVERYTHING. |
| 21:52.51 | bluspacecow | @fisker but your heals aren't you? |
| 21:53.54 | Fisker | beer isn't allowed on EU |
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| 22:19.18 | Mr_Rabies | i still don't understand, why in 2012, there's no rep listed under the quest rewards |
| 22:19.18 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 22:19.29 | Mr_Rabies | why, in 2012, * |
| 22:20.22 | Adys | Mr_Rabies: they added it during a short time on a PTR |
| 22:20.28 | Adys | the data is available in the cache |
| 22:20.33 | Adys | there were even a few api calls for it iirc |
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| 22:20.53 | Mr_Rabies | is it possible for an addon to add that, then? :o |
| 22:21.16 | Adys | maybe if the apis are still there |
| 22:21.24 | Adys | !api GetNumQuestLogRewardFaction |
| 22:21.24 | lua_bot | GetNumQuestLogRewardFactions: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumQuestLogRewardFactions) |
| 22:21.46 | Adys | !api GetQuestLogRewardFactionInfo |
| 22:21.47 | lua_bot | GetQuestLogRewardFactionInfo: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetQuestLogRewardFactionInfo) |
| 22:22.01 | Adys | try em out |
| 22:22.27 | Adys | maybe this too |
| 22:22.28 | Adys | !api ProcessQuestLogRewardFactions |
| 22:22.28 | lua_bot | ProcessQuestLogRewardFactions: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/ProcessQuestLogRewardFactions) |
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| 22:42.25 | Ackis | guildmate just won loot in lfr and got the same piece of loot using his coin |
| 22:58.27 | g0urra | Ackis: why would he use the coin if he won something |
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| 23:12.47 | Ressy | is there an api call or log that'll tell me what function of what addon just triggered? |
| 23:15.19 | Ressy | is /eventtrace the best it gets? |
| 23:15.50 | A-KO | I think so |
| 23:15.55 | A-KO | log all the addon functions and whatnot |
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