| 00:04.14 | Amarande | ahhhh, almost at EPL |
| 00:04.24 | Amarande | wonder if the nerubians still summon scarabs o' total doom |
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| 00:17.17 | Primer | English Premier League? |
| 00:23.12 | cbreak | epl was nerfed to the ground |
| 00:23.24 | cbreak | everything there's lost a dozen levels or so |
| 00:23.43 | nilyaK | TO THE GROUND? |
| 00:27.22 | kd3 | hopefully they go back on required reps for vp gear. revered everything's gonna be annoying to get, what with the golden lotus cockblock |
| 00:32.25 | Vladinator | http://jpg.artige.no/store/40/40066.jpg lol |
| 00:33.18 | Kraps | haha |
| 00:35.25 | mckenziemc | old |
| 00:37.20 | Vladinator | http://jpg.artige.no/store/39/39995.png |
| 00:38.10 | foxlit | ugh. |
| 00:38.33 | foxlit | If you're going to be posting unrelated "funny" pictures, at least ensure that they contain cute cats or something |
| 00:38.40 | Vladinator | ok |
| 00:38.56 | Vladinator | http://bilder.artige.no/store/39/39975.gif |
| 00:42.16 | Vladinator | I am confused http://bilder.artige.no/store/39/39927.gif |
| 00:42.56 | mckenziemc | no, you are Vladinator |
| 00:43.04 | Neffi | It's kind of disappointing that the price on Trillium bars is more volatile than Ghost Iron |
| 00:43.27 | Neffi | I can be undercut by 50% on Trillium depending on the day. Ghost Iron never fails to sell within 10% of my target. |
| 00:43.51 | foxlit | what are your prices? |
| 00:43.51 | xyphoid | low volume i guess? |
| 00:44.06 | xyphoid | it's the darkmoon card prices i'm watching |
| 00:44.08 | Kraps | Torhal, would it be possible to show a tooltip with the stats of the pets you have that are the same you are mousing over during a battle? |
| 00:45.21 | Neffi | Ghost Iron Bars have been steady at 350-400G a stack. Trillium was at almost 300G a bar the other day. When I tried to sell it was at 190. I woke up to see I'd been undercut this time down to 150. |
| 00:45.25 | Neffi | per bar |
| 00:45.29 | Torhal | Kraps: Why would you want that when you can't switch pets in that aren't in your team? |
| 00:45.48 | Neffi | It seems to have huge swings within a 48 hour period |
| 00:46.21 | foxlit | it's transmutable from ghost iron |
| 00:46.28 | Kraps | for comparison purposes |
| 00:46.29 | foxlit | and it's orange for a good deal of time. |
| 00:47.24 | Torhal | Kraps: I'm working on other stuff right now, but you can file a ticket: http://www.wowace.com/addons/pet-theory/tickets/ |
| 00:47.29 | Neffi | Is there a CD on its transmute? |
| 00:47.32 | foxlit | no |
| 00:47.38 | Neffi | If I had known that I would have considered my pricings more competitively |
| 00:47.47 | Neffi | Alchemy transmutes it? |
| 00:47.52 | foxlit | yes |
| 00:48.05 | Neffi | Thanks. Time to run some numbers. |
| 00:49.23 | Neffi | 10:1 ratio. Ghost iron costs ~16 a bar here. So I'm being undercut just below the ideal transmutation price anyway. |
| 00:49.35 | Neffi | Guess Trillium just isn't a money maker right now |
| 00:49.54 | foxlit | keep in mind that transmutation mastery plays into it |
| 00:50.48 | Neffi | Yeah but if people are transmuting and then selling below cost, there's nothing I can do |
| 00:51.03 | foxlit | it's probably above cost for them |
| 00:51.22 | Neffi | fucking alchemists |
| 00:52.12 | Esamynn|work | ~fishslap Neffi |
| 00:52.12 | purl | ACTION slaps Neffi up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 00:53.29 | xyphoid | the first darkmoon fair's going to be a bloodbath for cards since 3/4 of the cards are for good trinkets this time around |
| 00:54.07 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.31 | foxlit | ^of |
| 00:55.10 | Neffi | Not a reason for economical flood IMO |
| 00:56.12 | foxlit | meh, as someone who doesn't play Interactive Excel(tm), I think it's an excellent reason :) |
| 00:56.47 | foxlit | see also: spirits of harmony being bop. |
| 00:58.05 | Neffi | That just pisses me off |
| 00:58.20 | Neffi | It seems like the only way to farm them is to get exalted with the Tillers and even then it's ass slow |
| 00:58.40 | xyphoid | i would be shocked if they don't become boe down the road a bit |
| 00:58.41 | Neffi | I can't even make baisc engineering things I want yet because I'm sitting on about 1 mote gained per 4-5 hours |
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| 00:59.02 | Neffi | Good idea to make them BoP. Bad idea the way they executed that. |
| 00:59.09 | foxlit | I spend about a spirit a day buying herbs from a vendor. |
| 00:59.16 | foxlit | Because fuck herbalism! |
| 00:59.18 | Rythal | there's a spot in dreadwastes that you can get 1 every 5 minutes or so |
| 01:00.17 | Neffi | More info Rythal? |
| 01:00.21 | foxlit | is that the one where you must gank a gnome and sacrifice a goat? |
| 01:00.26 | foxlit | I think daily blink covered that. |
| 01:01.14 | Rythal | that's all the info I know, just one of the roads in dreadwastes with low hp mobs and a lot of them... I have no character needing motes yet so never asked for more info... but everyone in my guild is using it to get them for the crafted armor / engineering |
| 01:03.03 | Neffi | which means it'll be overrun on my high pop server, so i best find my own place |
| 01:03.31 | Rythal | i'm on MG... so if it's not overrun here... it shouldn't be overrun anywhere else yet |
| 01:03.53 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raMaxA7hsCs << oh hey, it's a debate? |
| 01:04.17 | Semlar | politics are gay |
| 01:04.26 | Semlar | debate that |
| 01:04.31 | Amarande | nono, you're supposed to throw a Baby Spice at a gnome, then it becomes small enough to capture as a battle pet |
| 01:04.33 | foxlit | the twitter feed is amusing |
| 01:04.33 | Amarande | :D |
| 01:11.43 | Dagmar | Wow. Romney is just outright up there lying |
| 01:12.06 | kd3 | just watched the politifact meter blow up |
| 01:12.33 | Dagmar | They're going to grind him into powder tomorrow |
| 01:13.56 | Dagmar | lol he used the phrase "clean coal" |
| 01:14.00 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 01:14.17 | starlon | farms and farms. |
| 01:14.27 | nilyaK | I saw that |
| 01:16.47 | Dagmar | The twitter feed on the screen is fucking hilarious |
| 01:16.59 | kd3 | ooh, ooh, speaking over the moderator |
| 01:17.01 | kd3 | takes a shot |
| 01:17.13 | seamuspk | can someone look at this code and tell me what i am doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/1L1swj9L |
| 01:18.23 | seamuspk | i am sure several things are less then ideal. the issue is that it will not print the total from the second function |
| 01:18.47 | Dagmar | lol Obama is calling him out |
| 01:18.57 | nilyaK | trollface.jpg |
| 01:18.59 | starlon | You need to put average() above the event handler. |
| 01:19.57 | starlon | and my god do something with your whitespace. lol |
| 01:20.17 | seamuspk | they are tabs.. weird on pastebin |
| 01:20.41 | starlon | Looks like there's a stray `end` in the eventHandler. could be me though |
| 01:21.23 | kd3 | talking over the moderator again |
| 01:21.25 | kd3 | takes another shot |
| 01:21.26 | Vladinator | http://bilder.artige.no/store/19/19726.gif |
| 01:22.18 | starlon | who's talking over the moderator? |
| 01:22.24 | kd3 | romney |
| 01:22.27 | starlon | and pass that rum |
| 01:22.36 | starlon | Oh. That's typical of him. |
| 01:22.52 | starlon | Oh right. Tonight's their big debate. |
| 01:23.00 | Rythal | what's a good IDE to use... I was using just notepad++ but with 20 files open i'm starting to think an IDE would be better |
| 01:23.31 | starlon | gvim |
| 01:23.40 | starlon | :D |
| 01:24.14 | Rythal | eww.. if I was going that route i'd use nano long before i'd use gvim :P |
| 01:25.03 | kd3 | ahahahahaha |
| 01:25.05 | kd3 | takes another shot |
| 01:25.14 | kd3 | it's a good thing I don't work tomorrow |
| 01:25.24 | Semlar | rythal you could try eclipse |
| 01:26.26 | Torhal | Rythal: IntelliJ Community Edition with sylvanaar's Lua Plugin. |
| 01:28.27 | Arrowmaster | lol he basically just said 'im going to fire you' |
| 01:29.58 | Rythal | Thanks |
| 01:31.02 | Dagmar | If Gmail is running slow for you right now, I'm sorry. I'm trying to mark all my inbox as read. |
| 01:31.27 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: yours cant be worse than my moms |
| 01:31.36 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: no, no, it's self-firing |
| 01:32.14 | Arrowmaster | 'i have my own plan' |
| 01:32.21 | Arrowmaster | we keep hearing that but not what it is |
| 01:32.46 | kd3 | the plan is 'give all our money to corporations and let them run the country' |
| 01:32.47 | kd3 | oh, wait |
| 01:32.54 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Did your mom get her Gmail account when it was invite-only? |
| 01:33.20 | Arrowmaster | yes, i sent her the invite |
| 01:33.24 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:33.36 | Dagmar | I'd never seen a filter take more than a second to run before |
| 01:33.37 | Arrowmaster | shes got over 35k unread messages in her inbox |
| 01:33.57 | Dagmar | I move things out fo my inbox when they match a filter |
| 01:34.27 | Dagmar | ...but I'm trying to get my various devices to stop putting "999+" atop the Gmail icon |
| 01:34.31 | Arrowmaster | whats wrong with spain? |
| 01:34.49 | kd3 | spain's having issues like ireland and greece and most of the eu |
| 01:34.56 | kd3 | not as horrendous as greece, but still bad |
| 01:34.57 | A-KO | where the hell do I train 525 cooking skills? |
| 01:34.59 | A-KO | to level up to 600? |
| 01:35.04 | kd3 | halfhill |
| 01:35.13 | A-KO | I'm there, I can't buy recipes because I need to do something with 'em |
| 01:35.15 | A-KO | like, way of the wok, etc. |
| 01:35.20 | Dagmar | Oh and now the true beating begins |
| 01:35.21 | kd3 | do the quests |
| 01:35.22 | A-KO | where's there a regular plain old cooking person? |
| 01:35.24 | A-KO | I have |
| 01:35.27 | A-KO | I've done all the quests, lol |
| 01:35.32 | A-KO | I'm on the dailies, just did 'em |
| 01:35.47 | foxlit | there is no regular cooking |
| 01:35.58 | foxlit | just the ways |
| 01:38.34 | kd3 | oop, solyndra |
| 01:38.36 | kd3 | takes a shot |
| 01:38.45 | nilyaK | lol what a jab, governors (like Romney) aren't creative enough. |
| 01:38.49 | nilyaK | that was pretty harsh. |
| 01:39.03 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: you just got owned |
| 01:39.34 | Dagmar | You heard it. Romney said you're a loser. |
| 01:39.54 | kd3 | oh, wtf |
| 01:40.04 | kd3 | they nerfed golden lotus daily rep too? |
| 01:40.07 | kd3 | damn it blizz |
| 01:40.33 | Arrowmaster | fuck the states, i hate the states having so much power |
| 01:42.09 | foxlit | kd3: ? |
| 01:42.18 | kd3 | they were 250/quest, they're now 100/quest |
| 01:42.28 | foxlit | that sounds odd |
| 01:42.46 | foxlit | is that announced somewhere? |
| 01:43.01 | kd3 | nah, it probably changed before mists launch |
| 01:43.17 | kd3 | points at RC |
| 01:46.04 | Arrowmaster | lol im watching the debate on XBL and they are doing live polls, the current one is 'which candidate comes closer to your position on th economy?' 57% oboma 31% romney |
| 01:46.56 | Arrowmaster | and the xbl server just went down |
| 01:50.56 | foxlit | thinks we should send someone to kd3's place. |
| 01:51.04 | foxlit | might've drowned by now. |
| 01:51.07 | kd3 | I'm still here |
| 01:51.40 | kd3 | just about to stop editing the wiki because editing while drunk's a bad idea |
| 01:51.52 | seamuspk | nah |
| 01:53.38 | Arrowmaster | if you are arguing with the moderator in a debate, your doing something wrong |
| 01:53.56 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 01:54.14 | Semlar | i don't think romney is used to being told what to do |
| 01:54.51 | mckenziemc | he has his coping mechanisms for handling being told what he can't do |
| 01:54.56 | Semlar | and he always has to have the last word |
| 01:55.27 | Semlar | the arbitrator needs to have a button to shut off their mics |
| 01:56.00 | kd3 | one does not simply... cut off the POTUS |
| 02:07.12 | Maldivia | kd3: or kill big bird |
| 02:10.58 | Arrowmaster | haha yes finally |
| 02:11.17 | Arrowmaster | was waiting for this point |
| 02:11.53 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 02:17.13 | kd3 | not that I have alts, but yay: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794229784?page=3#57 |
| 02:17.54 | kd3 | oh, come on. stop repeating the same points |
| 02:18.30 | Primer | So who's winning? |
| 02:19.07 | kd3 | fox says romney, I'm sure. msnbc says obama, most likely. abc/cbs/cnn? dunno |
| 02:19.16 | Torhal | Primer: Charlie Sheen. |
| 02:19.21 | Primer | you...what do YOU say? |
| 02:19.26 | kd3 | I agree with torhal |
| 02:19.28 | Primer | Torhal: touché |
| 02:21.21 | Humbedooh | I gotta say, regardless, romney is doing a lot better than I would've thought |
| 02:22.02 | Arrowmaster | Primer: the polls on the xbox broadcast have all been around 30% romney 57% oboma pretty consistantly |
| 02:22.03 | Humbedooh | or maybe he just messed up on purpose earlier to set the bar lower, I dunno :3 |
| 02:22.18 | Primer | Arrowmaster: bunch of fucking commies |
| 02:23.45 | kd3 | ooh, is he looking to reinstate 'no child left behind'? |
| 02:27.03 | Arrowmaster | im loving all these jabs oboma is getting in |
| 02:28.10 | kd3 | oh wow, the triple crown in MLB |
| 02:33.25 | pompy | yeah cabrera |
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| 02:52.36 | kd3 | ok. sufficiently sloshed. back to dailies |
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| 03:53.57 | karl_w_w | jesus 2pm server time and there's already a login queue |
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| 04:14.13 | Ackis | I bought cloth pants yesterday that had no rep associated with them, now I have them equipped and it's saying requires August Celestials Honored but I'm wearing them... that mean that I'm not getting the stat benefit from them? |
| 04:19.32 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/238774-huggywuggles-v-mop-reputation-solutions/ |
| 04:22.18 | Ackis | that doesn't help, I've bought them and am wearing them, they had no rep on them yesterdya |
| 04:25.20 | Neffi | Anyone seeing a correlation between these Watchers of the Wall and GoT? |
| 04:25.46 | Neffi | I don't know if they mean to reference it, going with the whole Chinese aspect. But it certainly does seem like it. |
| 04:26.31 | Neffi | I'm half-expecting to run into an NPC named Ed Sterk who tells me Winter is coming |
| 04:29.32 | karl_w_w | Ackis: unequip them and see if your stats go down? |
| 04:29.37 | xyphoid | it's actually been kind of pleasant to do quests without pop culture jokes every five minutes |
| 04:29.39 | karl_w_w | oh i see |
| 04:29.40 | xyphoid | HI ULDUM |
| 04:29.54 | karl_w_w | maybe if u unequip them you wont be able to re-equip |
| 04:29.55 | kd3 | arrow to the knee in krasarang? |
| 04:30.10 | xyphoid | lucky me i skipped that |
| 04:30.13 | karl_w_w | Ackis: unequip everything else and see if your stats are above base stats :P |
| 04:30.18 | xyphoid | i mean there are some but it feels like they're less dense |
| 04:30.22 | Rythal | when a guard told me he took an arrow to the knee... i stopped listening to the npc's |
| 04:30.29 | Neffi | lol |
| 04:30.31 | Neffi | wait, in wow? |
| 04:30.34 | Rythal | yes |
| 04:30.37 | Neffi | where? |
| 04:30.51 | Rythal | one of the quests in wilds |
| 04:30.55 | Neffi | I love WoW's cheesy sense of humor sometimes |
| 04:31.12 | Neffi | Quest designing must get boring. I'm sure they need a good laugh while they do it. |
| 04:31.15 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Unsafe_Passage |
| 04:32.10 | Neffi | Hah, awesome |
| 04:35.24 | Semlar | does anyone else have problems browsing wowpedia, i have basically never been able to use the site because every time i click on a new page it gives me an error about the connection being reset |
| 04:35.45 | Neffi | never had an issue with wowpedia |
| 04:35.54 | Rythal | grumbles and growls and curses obfuscated code |
| 04:35.57 | Semlar | no other website is affected, it's not my connection |
| 04:35.57 | Ackis | karl_w_w: took em off and I was able to put them back on |
| 04:35.58 | Neffi | i mean aside from missing info |
| 04:36.24 | Neffi | Always like that, or recently? Could be an internet node between you and the servers |
| 04:36.28 | Semlar | always |
| 04:36.34 | Neffi | strange |
| 04:37.02 | karl_w_w | i could seriously do without winamp forgetting it's always-on-top-iness |
| 04:37.08 | Semlar | it's not usually when i first load a page but trying to navigate to other links on the site immediately gets that error until i wait for a while |
| 04:37.25 | Semlar | it's bizarre |
| 04:37.42 | Neffi | browser? |
| 04:37.46 | Rythal | I just hit 10 links at random and it was fine for me |
| 04:37.48 | Semlar | firefox |
| 04:38.19 | Neffi | Maybe it's an issue with something most people dont use like IPv6 or SPDY |
| 04:38.35 | Neffi | find somebody who admins there and tell them |
| 04:39.54 | Rythal | it ain't an ipv6 problem |
| 04:40.30 | Rythal | I just turned mine on (normally browse with it off in firefox) and still no issue |
| 04:40.53 | karl_w_w | that doesnt mean it's not an ipv6 problem |
| 04:41.16 | karl_w_w | maybe it's to do with the routing between his isp and wowpedia |
| 04:41.41 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure it's the browser but i don't know why |
| 04:41.50 | Neffi | Aye. I would bet there's IPv6 problems all over the net. |
| 04:42.33 | Rythal | surprisingly, the only time I have trouble with IPv6 is youtube |
| 04:42.59 | Neffi | Google, always innovating new ways to break things |
| 04:43.02 | Semlar | when it errors out i get no response from the server, just an aborted status |
| 04:44.26 | Semlar | nevermind, it's not the browser |
| 04:44.32 | Semlar | does the same thing in IE |
| 04:47.11 | Semlar | it looks like it's just randomly failing connections |
| 04:49.23 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/z9vws.jpg |
| 04:50.08 | Neffi | strange |
| 04:50.20 | Neffi | could be packet loss on your end maybe? |
| 04:50.33 | Semlar | this is the only website that does this |
| 04:50.49 | Neffi | loss between you and it? |
| 04:51.08 | Semlar | that just randomly aborts connections from me |
| 04:51.21 | Semlar | i definitely would have noticed things not loading elsewhere |
| 04:51.23 | karl_w_w | how long have you had this problem? where do you live? |
| 04:51.51 | Semlar | as far as i can remember it's done this |
| 04:51.58 | Semlar | and i'm in orlando florida |
| 04:53.11 | Semlar | my connection's not perfect but this is a consistent problem with wowpedia and nowhere else for me so i think it's something about the site, dns or something on my computer |
| 04:56.59 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/3gp5c.jpg |
| 04:57.17 | Semlar | same page just from refreshing |
| 04:59.41 | Trela | Semlar: Looks like something on your computer or connection. I just checked into the server and everything appears to be normal. |
| 05:00.05 | Semlar | i don't even know what would cause this |
| 05:00.28 | Trela | I used to have an old router that would harf on too many connections being opened at once. :/ |
| 05:00.39 | Semlar | it's only wowpedia though |
| 05:00.50 | Semlar | something about that specific domain |
| 05:00.53 | Semlar | or the server |
| 05:01.15 | Trela | Try clearing your browser cache? |
| 05:01.39 | Semlar | it does it in IE too |
| 05:03.05 | Semlar | but apparently it doesn't affect anybody else so it must be something with my setup |
| 05:03.55 | Neffi | We need to petition Blizz to add a flying bison mount |
| 05:04.00 | starlon | There should be a way of canceling an in-game mail you send. |
| 05:04.08 | Trela | Yeah, I am not sure what to tell you, Semlar. |
| 05:04.11 | starlon | I sent a whole bunch of mats to the wrong person. |
| 05:04.30 | starlon | Will a GM help with that? |
| 05:04.46 | starlon | I opened a ticket at any rate. :/ |
| 05:07.10 | Semlar | does wowpedia use load balancing |
| 05:07.38 | Semlar | maybe i can't access one of the servers |
| 05:18.47 | starlon | Are there any addons that you can use to cancel all of your auctions? |
| 05:21.42 | Neffi | Auctionator's "More" tab checks for undercuts and lets you cancel them all |
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| 05:30.37 | starlon | Neffi: thanks |
| 05:34.07 | Semlar | well, my issues with wowpedia don't appear to affect my tablet so that rules out the network |
| 05:34.43 | Semlar | must be a firewall conflict or virus on my desktop |
| 05:35.48 | Neffi | Could be an issue in a lot of places |
| 05:35.55 | Neffi | TCP stack, network drivers, etc |
| 05:36.08 | Neffi | Maybe specifically formed data is calling a failure somewhere |
| 05:36.34 | Semlar | reinstall the operating system, got it |
| 05:36.47 | Neffi | lol no |
| 05:36.49 | Neffi | update drivers |
| 05:37.25 | Semlar | i should just install windows 7 anyway |
| 05:37.31 | karl_w_w | starlon: cancelling auctions requires a hardware event though, unfortunately |
| 05:37.35 | Neffi | if there were a write error causing issues in your OS's TCP stack, you could just update that one piece. Windows has a tool that scans all its files to check for corruption. But I doubt it's that anyway. |
| 05:38.05 | Neffi | karl_w_w, starlon: Yes, with Auctionator you need to press the button once for each cancellation. But it's easy to just spam the button. |
| 05:38.34 | karl_w_w | oh look, US pringles are thinner |
| 05:47.25 | karl_w_w | which im currently learning makes them even easier to wolf down |
| 06:12.29 | Neffi | How many items does prospecting consume at once? |
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| 06:32.50 | Neffi | Has anyone tested Prey on the Weak? On Blind/Gouge, does the +10% damage break when the CC breaks? Or is it intended that you can Blind, and then get the full 10 sec of +10% damage? |
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| 06:39.58 | Jammer | Neffi: apparently it's only for the duration of the cc |
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| 06:40.48 | Neffi | I guess that would make it much overwhelmingly better than the rest of the lackluster tier as to show how lackluster the tier really is |
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| 06:50.40 | nevcairiel | talents are not supposed to be clear dmg boosts anymore =P |
| 06:51.05 | karl_w_w | why isnt there a way to vote kick ppl in scenarios? and when sum1 leaves a scenario why is there no way to replace them? |
| 06:51.52 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel: sure they are |
| 06:52.11 | karl_w_w | just ones on the same tier aren't meant to be better than each other |
| 06:56.02 | Neffi | Except most of the time there is one clear winner |
| 06:56.15 | Neffi | It's not intuitively obvious all the time, but consider rogue's first tier |
| 06:56.21 | Neffi | Who the hell would seriously choose Nightstalker? |
| 06:57.03 | Neffi | Meanwhile Shadow Focus only makes sense as Assass, and even then not always. Clear winner in 90% of cases is Subterfuge. |
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| 07:03.04 | Subspace | I was looking at *UserPlaced() functions |
| 07:03.16 | Subspace | I need to make something like the following: |
| 07:03.29 | Subspace | 1 frame that is named and the user can move around and it is saved |
| 07:03.56 | Subspace | Then have a few frames that are child frames of the first (unnamed, or named, whatever) and have their position depend on that of the first |
| 07:04.03 | Subspace | There any way to do this? |
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| 07:07.22 | Neffi | Anchor the children to the parent. Set the parent as user-placed. |
| 07:08.27 | Subspace_ | Is there anything that would unset it as user placed? |
| 07:08.55 | Neffi | :SetUserPlaced(nil) |
| 07:10.22 | Subspace_ | SetMovable(), EnableMouse(), etc. don't have any impact? |
| 07:11.15 | Neffi | nope |
| 07:11.20 | Neffi | it's assumed you're using them anyway |
| 07:11.34 | Subspace_ | even if i pass false? |
| 07:11.42 | Neffi | :SetMovable(true); <set drag scripts to move it>; :SetUserPlaced(true); easy way to make a frame movable and its position saved |
| 07:12.03 | Neffi | SetUserPlaced is independent. :ClearAllPoints/:SetPoint() doesnt even seem to affect it |
| 07:12.11 | Neffi | The point it was at on logoff is saved |
| 07:12.29 | Subspace_ | hmm |
| 07:12.34 | Subspace_ | something is really weird then |
| 07:12.37 | karl_w_w | you dont need setuserplaced |
| 07:12.39 | Subspace_ | I have a setting |
| 07:12.53 | Neffi | And fucking blah. 1 bar from 90 and I'm getting the feeling that rogues are just lackluster nowadays. |
| 07:13.08 | Neffi | Not that we wont get buffed for energy starvation issues, but it doesn't have the same fun it used to. =( |
| 07:13.24 | Subspace_ | If its enabled, it calls EnableMouse(), SetMovable(), SetScript("On*"), RegisterForDrag() |
| 07:13.29 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.35 | Subspace_ | If disabled, it calls the same funcs, but w/ diff values |
| 07:13.53 | Subspace_ | If I enable the setting everything works, otherwise it doesnt save :\ |
| 07:14.11 | karl_w_w | Subspace: you mean when enabling moving it you call all those? |
| 07:14.16 | Neffi | SetMovable isn't the same as using :SetPoint() |
| 07:14.21 | Subspace_ | karl_w_w, yeah |
| 07:14.28 | karl_w_w | yeah that's why |
| 07:14.32 | Neffi | SetMovable causes the C-side engine to clear all points and recalculate them based on how it likes to do things |
| 07:14.35 | Subspace_ | My intention it to allow people to drag a frame |
| 07:14.41 | Neffi | Which is probably why it's not being saved when not moved |
| 07:14.41 | Subspace_ | hmm |
| 07:14.46 | Neffi | Well |
| 07:14.53 | Neffi | Set a default point before VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 07:15.01 | Neffi | User-placed position gets set after that |
| 07:15.09 | karl_w_w | i'll paste how i do it |
| 07:15.16 | Semlar | neffi you don't need to call setpoint at all to get it to save the frame position |
| 07:15.18 | Neffi | So if they DID move it, their position will be set for them properly as long as you don't override it after that point |
| 07:15.33 | Semlar | setmovable will work fine |
| 07:15.42 | Neffi | Semlar: But you need to set a default position for when the addon is first loaded, or if they never bother to move it |
| 07:15.42 | Subspace_ | I use SetPoint("CENTER", UIParent) |
| 07:15.43 | Subspace_ | Once |
| 07:15.50 | Subspace_ | When it loads |
| 07:16.12 | karl_w_w | http://codepad.org/l0gZVzyR |
| 07:16.22 | karl_w_w | that's all it needs |
| 07:16.52 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure i saw somebody demonstrate how to make a movable frame in two lines |
| 07:16.54 | Neffi | line 4, you can just do: frame:SetScript("OnDragStart", frame.StartMoving) |
| 07:16.55 | Neffi | =) |
| 07:17.14 | karl_w_w | probably |
| 07:17.21 | Subspace_ | karl_w_w, What happens if I call SetMovable(false) later? |
| 07:17.30 | karl_w_w | why would you do that? |
| 07:17.31 | Subspace_ | Will that force it to reset position on /reload? |
| 07:17.38 | Neffi | Or wait that might erase it =/ |
| 07:17.39 | Semlar | good question |
| 07:17.43 | Neffi | My bad |
| 07:17.46 | Semlar | you should test it |
| 07:17.47 | Subspace_ | I want them to be able to toggle whether they want to be able to drag it |
| 07:17.48 | Neffi | Just unregister drag/mouse. |
| 07:18.04 | Subspace_ | Or should I instead pass nil to SetScript for the OnDrag* options? |
| 07:18.04 | Neffi | SetMovable is meaningless if they can't move it anyway |
| 07:18.09 | Semlar | or just mouse |
| 07:18.13 | karl_w_w | if you want them to be able to reset position to default, then just reset the position yourself |
| 07:18.15 | Neffi | EnableMouse(false) |
| 07:18.21 | karl_w_w | do the setpoint again |
| 07:18.25 | Semlar | i don't think the drag part will work once you disable the mouse |
| 07:18.26 | Neffi | Movable only affects StartMoving/StopMoving |
| 07:18.29 | Subspace_ | I want them to be able to move the frame |
| 07:18.41 | Subspace_ | Then "lock" it in place via an option so they cant move it anymore |
| 07:18.52 | Subspace_ | But have it save it in the new (not default) place next time their game loads |
| 07:18.58 | Neffi | So then you either, :EnableMouse(false) OR unregister drag handlers |
| 07:19.04 | Neffi | Don't need to do anymore to prevent dragging |
| 07:19.09 | Semlar | the setuserplaced should remember its new position |
| 07:19.17 | karl_w_w | i wouldnt bother messing with drag handlers |
| 07:19.27 | Subspace_ | ok |
| 07:19.40 | Subspace_ | hmm |
| 07:19.41 | Neffi | He might want to prevent frame click-through, so he might not want to use EnableMouse(false). |
| 07:19.49 | karl_w_w | if the frame needs to be clickable when it's not moving, turn off registerfordrag |
| 07:19.53 | Neffi | You could just RegisterForDrag(nil) |
| 07:19.54 | Semlar | do you need them to still be able to interact with it? |
| 07:19.58 | karl_w_w | if it doesn't, turn off enablemouse |
| 07:20.20 | Subspace_ | I want them to not be able to move it, but I want the frame to be able to detect a mouse hovered over it |
| 07:20.30 | Semlar | the whole frame or just parts of it |
| 07:20.33 | Subspace_ | Whether its moved or not, the child frames need to detect that |
| 07:20.36 | Subspace_ | The whole frame |
| 07:20.41 | Subspace_ | And its children |
| 07:20.48 | Semlar | just hover or click too |
| 07:20.54 | Neffi | Subspace_: RegisterForClicks(nil) then |
| 07:21.00 | Neffi | Errrr |
| 07:21.05 | Neffi | RegisterForDrag(nil) |
| 07:21.33 | Subspace_ | Click I dont care, but I need to allow hovering and realize that so that I can :SetScript("OnEnter", LoadCDTooltip); for example |
| 07:21.40 | Subspace_ | ok |
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| 07:24.12 | Semlar | i think the cleverest implementation i've seen used this http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateTitleRegion and just covered the entire frame with it |
| 07:26.22 | karl_w_w | would that allow you to disable the moviness though? |
| 07:26.33 | Semlar | yeah just call EnableMouse(false) on the frame |
| 07:27.22 | karl_w_w | but then the frame wont be mouse enabled :P |
| 07:27.36 | Semlar | i'm fairly sure you can do hover scripts without the mouse being enabled |
| 07:27.58 | Semlar | i just don't remember if it requires doing something other than using the script events |
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| 07:28.53 | Semlar | enabling the mouse completely prevents click through even when you don't have any onclick or onmouse events right |
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| 07:29.01 | Subspace_ | Thank you guys a bunch |
| 07:29.10 | karl_w_w | yes Semlar |
| 07:29.29 | Subspace_ | It seems that RegisterForDrag(nil) did the trick fine |
| 07:29.37 | Semlar | i know i've seen frames with tooltips without preventing clickthrough |
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| 07:31.02 | Semlar | they might have used onupdate with ismouseover or something though |
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| 07:49.39 | starlon | Zygor's addon just "chose" me some gear from the Sha of Anger turnin. It chose dps, and I wanted the tanking boots. :/ |
| 07:49.51 | starlon | Silly me trusting addons. |
| 07:49.55 | Semlar | surprise! |
| 07:50.46 | starlon | It confuses me why a leveling guide would choose me some gear from a non-leveling quest. |
| 07:53.34 | Semlar | local a = A*a1a2*y4w0+A*a1a2*w4y0-B*b1a2*y4w0-B*c1a2*w4w0+B*a1b2*w4y0+B*a1c2*w4w0+C*b1a2*y4y0+C*c1a2*w4y0-C*a1b2*y4y0-C*a1c2*y4w0 |
| 07:53.39 | Semlar | uhh.. huh.. |
| 07:53.59 | Subspace | wtf? lol |
| 07:54.40 | starlon | I know what that is. Looks like Lua. |
| 07:54.44 | starlon | :/ |
| 07:54.50 | Semlar | it's part of the equation this addon used to calculate perspective from the pitch and roll of the camera |
| 07:54.57 | Subspace | ahh |
| 07:54.58 | starlon | lol |
| 07:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | if it's performance-sensitive, that's not too surprising - local variables are a whole lot more efficient than array lookups |
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| 07:55.41 | Semlar | they're using matrices |
| 07:55.48 | Semlar | and this is all way over my head |
| 07:58.12 | Semlar | i have a hard enough time working with these textures in two dimensions :| |
| 07:59.21 | starlon | Is the black market supposed to market crap items for unreasonable prices? Like a 50g companion pet for 10k gold? |
| 07:59.43 | Semlar | well it is the black market |
| 07:59.45 | starlon | Shady I say. |
| 07:59.49 | starlon | lol |
| 08:00.08 | Semlar | this reminds me of the scammer npc that was in shattrath |
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| 08:00.14 | starlon | lmao |
| 08:00.19 | starlon | Paris Hilton? |
| 08:00.30 | starlon | Her Ruby Shades turned out to be a hot item. |
| 08:00.35 | Semlar | nah it was a ethereal trader that sold stuff like soap on a rope |
| 08:00.42 | starlon | lol |
| 08:00.46 | zenzio | wasn't that a troll? |
| 08:00.54 | Semlar | maybe |
| 08:01.16 | Semlar | i feel like blizzard did something because people were falling for it |
| 08:01.24 | haste | there was also the charm vendor in shat |
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| 08:01.41 | Semlar | it's been a while |
| 08:01.46 | zenzio | I'm sure some players found them funny |
| 08:01.48 | zenzio | to have |
| 08:02.06 | zenzio | Griftah was the guy |
| 08:02.23 | Semlar | ah |
| 08:02.38 | Semlar | but he also sold part of the flying machine |
| 08:03.26 | Semlar | was there a guy other than griftah? |
| 08:03.53 | zenzio | might be, but he was the one with Soap on a Rope and those |
| 08:04.30 | ZorbaTHut | griftah was glorious |
| 08:04.37 | ZorbaTHut | the flying machine part was the only thing he sold that had any ingame use |
| 08:05.51 | Adys | I made thousands of gold selling ruby shades a while back |
| 08:06.01 | Adys | I was going on to new servers |
| 08:06.08 | Adys | getting a shattrath port |
| 08:06.35 | Adys | buying ruby shades, which costed like 10 copper or something at the time, and reselling them in AH for 50 gold |
| 08:06.48 | starlon | They sell for massive gold now. |
| 08:06.53 | starlon | If you can find them. |
| 08:06.54 | Adys | later on i found out they got removed |
| 08:07.04 | starlon | nods. |
| 08:07.05 | Adys | and i still have huge STOCKS of them on alts on various servers |
| 08:07.11 | starlon | lol |
| 08:07.31 | Adys | I probably have like 15 on stormrage |
| 08:09.12 | zenzio | it's always fun to see items that have been made unobtainable sell |
| 08:09.51 | zenzio | there's (or by now maybe was) an item in Anarchy Online that was a commonish drop at launch, but was then removed from loot tables; sold for crazy amounts |
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| 08:12.55 | bluspacecow | http://imgur.com/gallery/UbWX8 |
| 08:14.36 | zenzio | is that a request you got? |
| 08:27.45 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 08:27.50 | bluspacecow | from another IRC channel |
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| 08:34.17 | Semlar | so, you've been chatting around behind my back |
| 08:34.37 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.44 | Semlar | NO MEANS NO |
| 08:34.53 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:35.03 | Semlar | aw maybe a little |
| 08:35.29 | bluspacecow | yay! |
| 08:35.39 | Semlar | just this once |
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| 09:10.26 | starlon | trying to sell shit this time of the morning is fruitless |
| 09:17.58 | Cairenn | But is it vegetableish? |
| 09:19.25 | Kalroth | :DDD |
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| 09:29.10 | Vladinator | I don't like amazon atm :( they said my package would be sent 1st and arrive 4th but it's been delayed to 11th and it's in Hamburg since 2nd 6AM :/ |
| 09:29.19 | Vladinator | jeez what is it doing in Hamburg for so long... |
| 09:29.35 | Kalroth | October fest, duh |
| 09:35.13 | karl_w_w | Kalroth: but it's october |
| 09:36.31 | karl_w_w | oh we haven't had a weekend yet |
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| 09:36.34 | karl_w_w | carry on |
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| 10:21.17 | Semlar | mmm fresh windows |
| 10:21.33 | karl_w_w | Semlar: double glazing? :P |
| 10:21.44 | Semlar | frosted |
| 10:22.11 | Semlar | time to rough it up a bit |
| 10:22.58 | Semlar | needs more python |
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| 13:03.00 | Semlar | i've also used notepad++ and eclipse but i'm not really a fan of eclipse |
| 13:03.20 | Amarande | UltraEdit is very powerful and well maintained. The only downside is it's shareware, and you pretty much have to pay an upgrade every year unless you spring (like I did a while back) for the lifetime upgrades plan |
| 13:04.26 | Semlar | i'll look into it |
| 13:04.45 | Semlar | what about definitions for the warcraft api |
| 13:06.07 | zenzio | I've very recently started trying Sublime Text 2 |
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| 13:07.05 | Rythal | eclipse kept crashing on me... so i'm just using notepad++ |
| 13:08.33 | karl_w_w | <Semlar> what do you guys use for lua editing <- www.geany.org |
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| 13:11.46 | Semlar | do you bother keeping up a list of api functions for syntax highlighting? |
| 13:12.01 | karl_w_w | no |
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| 13:12.59 | Semlar | i had compiled a definitions list for my old editor at one point but it was some effort |
| 13:13.27 | Semlar | it was nice though |
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| 13:14.02 | karl_w_w | http://i46.tinypic.com/2uo5ufd.png is how it looks with my setup |
| 13:15.56 | Semlar | ah |
| 13:19.02 | zenzio | laptop? |
| 13:22.15 | Amarande | hm |
| 13:22.18 | Amarande | this has to be a glitch |
| 13:22.37 | Amarande | ARL says that you only need 575 inscription to make the MoP profession perk shoulder enchants |
| 13:22.42 | Amarande | but that using them requires you to get to 600? |
| 13:22.45 | Amarande | that seems odd |
| 13:23.33 | Kalroth | not unprecedented though |
| 13:23.48 | Kalroth | i believe it's so you can use them to level with |
| 13:23.55 | Kalroth | level enchanting with* |
| 13:24.02 | Amarande | heh, usually it's stranger, typically BoP profession things that need a *lower* level of (profession) to use than they need to create |
| 13:24.20 | Amarande | although I seem to remember that one infamous gaffe with Enchanting |
| 13:24.30 | Amarande | wasn't there one point (back when we still needed to upgrade the enchanting rod) |
| 13:24.37 | Amarande | where if you upgraded your enchanting rod, you fucked yourself? |
| 13:24.52 | Amarande | because that tier of enchanting rod needed a higher level of enchanting to use than it did to create? |
| 13:25.08 | Amarande | think they fixed it pretty quickly, but I seem to recall it happened (LK I think, but not sure) |
| 13:25.18 | zenzio | did you at some point need to use enchanting to upgrade your rod? I made rods using blacksmithing |
| 13:25.40 | Amarande | zenzio: BS created the basic metal rod you needed, then you had to use an enchanting recipe to combine it with the previous tier rod to make the new runed rod |
| 13:25.45 | zenzio | oh, I see |
| 13:27.18 | Amarande | however, the rods (though I'm never quite sure why they did, as having a higher tier rod than a recipe needed never provided any kind of advantage, the only purpose of upgrading the rod was to be able to do higher level enchants which had minimum skill requirements anyway) |
| 13:27.26 | Amarande | all had "Requires Enchanting (X)" that increased with each tier |
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| 13:27.41 | Amarande | which was also strange given that they were BoP and could only be created yourself as you leveled enchanting |
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| 13:28.18 | Amarande | ... then came the one point, it was early in LK I think, where the rod skill levels became a glitch |
| 13:28.33 | Torhal|work | kills himself. |
| 13:28.43 | Amarande | it was either if you upgraded your rod too soon, you couldn't use it (and had to start all over again with copper to make a new one) because it required higher enchanting than you had |
| 13:28.55 | Amarande | or there were a couple enchanting recipes that needed a tier of rod that you couldn't actually create at that level |
| 13:28.56 | Ressy | Torhal|work: Shouldn't you be killing Ackis instead of yourself? |
| 13:29.41 | Torhal|work | Ressy: Killing Ackis won't stop the useless walls of text here. |
| 13:29.51 | Ressy | ahhh |
| 13:29.51 | Torhal|work | Well, it will for him. |
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| 13:38.53 | Fisker | this sucks Stanzilla |
| 13:40.55 | Neffi | I'd like to concede that I was totally wrong about the feral/guardian split in MoP. |
| 13:41.01 | Neffi | Feral is actually really fun still. Moreso maybe. |
| 13:41.15 | Neffi | Has its issues, but it feels more streamlined |
| 13:41.36 | Neffi | found his new PvP class. |
| 13:43.33 | foxlit | Can I just point out that soloing as Guardian is the worst thing ever? :) |
| 13:43.38 | Rythal | I haven't even tried my druid yet... been scared to |
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| 13:45.09 | Amarande | my druid is resto, and barely ever ventures out of town |
| 13:45.14 | Neffi | bear form is immensely strong as feral IMO |
| 13:45.23 | Neffi | Cenarion Ward and Typhoon |
| 13:45.26 | Amarande | about the only time I really feel the need to now is when I need to catch up on herbalism skillups |
| 13:45.39 | nevcairiel | can you actually cast typhon in bear form? :p |
| 13:45.41 | Neffi | Between that and your base defense CDs. I just cleared the entire field of Hozen in the first Pandaria zone at once. |
| 13:45.42 | Amarande | otherwise ... well ... might as well sit in Darnassus and queue healer for dungeons, and do inscription the rest of the time |
| 13:45.43 | foxlit | yes |
| 13:45.46 | Neffi | My rogue had issues handling 3 at once |
| 13:45.51 | foxlit | nevcairiel: it's a useful "ohshitgetitoffme!" panic button |
| 13:46.00 | Neffi | Typhoon works in any form |
| 13:46.11 | foxlit | also, whenever you feel like the dps have it too easy... |
| 13:46.15 | nevcairiel | i guess most talents are like that |
| 13:46.23 | Neffi | Also Pradatory Swiftness no longer pulls you out of form with the free Cyclone/Healing Touch. And Healing Touch seems significantly stronger in cat form now. |
| 13:46.31 | Amarande | blaaarrrggghhh |
| 13:46.35 | Amarande | no alliance mailbox in arathi highlands :| |
| 13:46.38 | Neffi | Cycloning from cat form is awesome |
| 13:46.57 | nevcairiel | i have been gathering some feral pieces on my druid, but not really serious, just what no-one else needed |
| 13:47.02 | nevcairiel | havent played feral in ages |
| 13:47.32 | foxlit | what did you do to level? |
| 13:47.41 | nevcairiel | balance |
| 13:48.10 | foxlit | is that any fun? |
| 13:48.23 | nevcairiel | it was ok, not really that much fun |
| 13:48.34 | karl_w_w | scenarios are so shit |
| 13:48.36 | nevcairiel | i always felt everyone else did more dps |
| 13:48.43 | nevcairiel | but maybe i just suck at balance |
| 13:48.53 | karl_w_w | who the fuck makes group content that it's impossible to replace lost group members for |
| 13:49.01 | Rythal | I've never tried balance... was always bearcat |
| 13:50.12 | nevcairiel | when not leveling, i'm always resto, so the gear overlap made the choice easy =P |
| 13:50.28 | foxlit | saves you bag slots, at least |
| 13:50.38 | Amarande | karl: there was plenty of content like that back in the day? |
| 13:50.46 | Rythal | getting kinda bored of the heroics / dailies tho.. might be time to level my next toon |
| 13:50.52 | karl_w_w | Amarande: really? such as what? |
| 13:50.57 | Amarande | Did you make this comment when, say, someone lost connection while you were escorting what's his name out of the BRD prison for the Onyxia chain? :) |
| 13:51.03 | nevcairiel | i'm only missing one heroic item for gear now |
| 13:51.16 | nevcairiel | i do my half hour of golden lotus dailys usually and then i'm done |
| 13:51.18 | nevcairiel | started a monk |
| 13:51.27 | nevcairiel | not sure if i'll finish him =P |
| 13:51.48 | Amarande | After all, no dungeon finder at all then, and it's not like anyone's going to make it down to BRD in time to save your bacon if you ask guild chat for a replacement stat. (Well, unless maybe you had a warlock, but even then ... I remember what old-time escort quests were like. :P) |
| 13:52.05 | Rythal | I do lotus, tillers & serpent... then sit around and go back to coding :/ guilds getting mad i'm falling behind in the ilvl lol |
| 13:52.20 | nevcairiel | some days i also do serpent and klaxxi |
| 13:52.20 | Amarande | It's nice how completely they about faced on escort quests when they released Cata |
| 13:52.26 | karl_w_w | you can't get anyone to come != impossible to replace people |
| 13:52.39 | Amarande | Used to be escort quests were horrible, horrible things from hell, now you almost want to be on one whenever possible |
| 13:52.57 | Amarande | karl: I'm assuming your guild chat has plenty of capable people available in it |
| 13:53.05 | Amarande | you're still not going to be able to replace them in such a case, there isn't time :) |
| 13:53.07 | karl_w_w | how is that related? |
| 13:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | I will always remember the stupid narcoleptic druid in Ashenvale with special hate! |
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| 13:53.25 | Amarande | that the idea of not being able to just grab a quick replacement for something midstream isn't new with scenarios? |
| 13:54.11 | Amarande | Peppy: my most memorable hate-on escort quests were a lowish level one towards the southeastern corner of Stonetalon back in the day, and that wounded blood elf in Hellfire |
| 13:54.33 | Amarande | Actually, the wounded blood elf wouldn't be so bad, except that it's made attackable by Alliance on top of everything else |
| 13:55.00 | zenzio | I liked the turtle escort quest in Tanaris |
| 13:55.31 | Amarande | If there weren't any Alliance around, actually, it was quite easy. If there were, it was ... "fun" |
| 13:55.38 | karl_w_w | Amarande: there's a difference between not being able to replace during an escort and not being able to replace when standing in front of the last boss of a dungeon |
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| 13:56.20 | Lopeppeppy | zenzio, I always lost that damn turtle. He seemed to have a very short range on the following - if I wasn't riding his back he left. |
| 13:56.36 | zenzio | impatient peppy! |
| 13:56.39 | nevcairiel | he just didnt like you |
| 13:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | But he had the BEST druid tank ring in his time. |
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| 13:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | So I rode him like a little pony until he coughed it up. |
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| 13:57.52 | Amarande | but yes, post-cata escort quests are awesome. |
| 13:58.22 | Amarande | in fact, they make you wish to be on them as often as you can, since you don't generally lose progression credits if you lose your escort (unlike the good old days of "FAILED!") and at worst have to go back to where you got the quest to get a new NPC |
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| 13:58.37 | Amarande | and for the meanwhile, you've got a usually useful if you're at-level for the zone buddy |
| 13:59.15 | Amarande | (that's another thing, too, all too many of the escort quest NPCs in pre-Cata were ... kind of ... wimpy) |
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| 14:00.31 | zenzio | my brother's telling me that his Steam is telling him every single friend of his downloaded GameMaker Studio |
| 14:00.51 | nevcairiel | maybe they did |
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| 14:01.04 | zenzio | I can guarantee not |
| 14:01.13 | zenzio | I know I didn't, and he's checked with coworkers |
| 14:01.15 | karl_w_w | best escort was the old alliance one in arathi highlands |
| 14:01.43 | Lopeppeppy | Which one? Down into the bandit camp? |
| 14:04.15 | karl_w_w | the one at goshek farm |
| 14:04.27 | karl_w_w | where u went around with the druid |
| 14:08.44 | Amarande | and is probably especially memorable since it was about 50% of the actual Alliance content in Arathi Highlands, I'm pretty sure :) |
| 14:09.08 | karl_w_w | nah there was loads in arathi |
| 14:09.21 | Amarande | (let's put it this way. Arathi as Alliance is the only zone achievement I know of that requires fewer quests than Silithus.) |
| 14:09.51 | stuf_ | haha |
| 14:09.56 | stuf_ | wasn't arathi like |
| 14:09.59 | stuf_ | 16 quests? |
| 14:09.59 | Amarande | Silithus used to have more stuff too though, not sure why they took so much of it out |
| 14:10.08 | Amarande | stuf: 18. Silithus is 19 (for both sides) |
| 14:10.13 | stuf_ | ah |
| 14:10.22 | Amarande | not sure if there's anywhere similarly spare for Horde only |
| 14:10.29 | Amarande | been a long long time since I've done anything much as horde |
| 14:28.59 | Fisker | btw End_ |
| 14:29.04 | Fisker | i don't get a global cooldown |
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| 14:32.19 | End_ | Fisker: are you sure? |
| 14:32.21 | End_ | how are you testing? |
| 14:32.33 | End_ | if you're testing by checking GetSpellCooldown() try actually casting a spell |
| 14:32.49 | Fisker | i did it the easy way :P |
| 14:32.54 | Fisker | not the 1337 addon coder |
| 14:33.04 | Fisker | i could cast spells while it was summoning |
| 14:33.08 | Fisker | err |
| 14:33.11 | Fisker | casting |
| 14:33.16 | Fisker | err |
| 14:33.21 | End_ | it gives me an error when I try |
| 14:33.25 | Fisker | what i originally said :P |
| 14:33.27 | Fisker | weird |
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| 14:33.56 | Fisker | maybe it's a paladin thing? |
| 14:34.03 | End_ | mmmaybe? |
| 14:34.11 | End_ | probably not |
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| 14:35.02 | Neffi | I swear SW needs directions to the guards |
| 14:35.04 | mckenziemc | heys Fisker. |
| 14:36.18 | Acenth | Yo dawg, I heard you like directions, so we make you need directions to get directions. |
| 14:36.40 | End_ | I didn't seem to get it that time, but then I tried again and I got it |
| 14:36.48 | End_ | I think the first try I didn't click fast enough |
| 14:37.21 | End_ | not having a mount button because everything is turned off makes it harder :< |
| 14:37.35 | Torhal|work | Acenth: Yo dawg, I heard you like AddOns, so we put AddOns in your AddOns so you could update while you update. |
| 14:37.41 | Fisker | no Torhal|work |
| 14:37.44 | Fisker | cease and desist |
| 14:37.55 | Acenth | Addonception |
| 14:37.55 | Torhal|work | Fisker: Sorry, bro - I have a license. |
| 14:38.15 | Acenth | An addon within an addon within an addon |
| 14:38.15 | End_ | Fisker: what non-combat pet did you test, out of curioisity? |
| 14:38.24 | Fisker | terrible turnip |
| 14:38.31 | End_ | sounds |
| 14:38.32 | End_ | terrible |
| 14:40.43 | Neffi | We must go deeper |
| 14:40.48 | Neffi | addon^4 |
| 14:44.02 | End_ | hm I can reproduce it event with pets I've acquired recently |
| 14:45.42 | End_ | Fisker: what spell were you trying to cast to see if it was on the global cooldown |
| 14:47.13 | Fisker | flash of light |
| 14:47.22 | Fisker | only spell i have that has a casting time as ret :P |
| 14:47.32 | End_ | an instant spell would work too |
| 14:47.41 | End_ | actually, I've only tested with instant spells |
| 14:48.09 | Fisker | oh yeah i think i get it now |
| 14:48.16 | End_ | with an instant spell? |
| 14:48.31 | End_ | hm, didn't get it with a cast time spell |
| 14:48.32 | Fisker | if you dismount the pet casts and invokes the GCD |
| 14:48.36 | End_ | yeah |
| 14:48.47 | Fisker | but if i cast the spell, i get dismounted, and it casts the pet simultaneously |
| 14:48.54 | End_ | ahhh |
| 14:49.08 | End_ | so it's summoning the pet no matter what |
| 14:49.14 | End_ | no check for gcd |
| 14:49.23 | End_ | but it will cause the gcd if it wasn't happening already |
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| 14:52.06 | End_ | thanks for trying to reproduce it, Fisker, now we know a little more than we knew before |
| 14:53.55 | Unkle | So, I've been in the building since 4 am trying to get a new fiber optic line working correctly. I forgot that the fermentation was going strong and emitting CO2. I've basically been basking for the last 4 hours in elevated C02. Maybe this explains why I can't think straight... |
| 14:54.23 | Fisker | yeah |
| 14:55.49 | Dagmar | Could be the drinking isn't helping |
| 14:56.08 | Unkle | I haven't had a drop since Sunday. |
| 14:56.22 | Unkle | Which is killinh mr. |
| 14:56.24 | Dagmar | Frankly, I'd call OSHA |
| 14:57.11 | Unkle | No, the problem is me, I forgot - and didn't turn on the blowers and open the doors and windows. |
| 14:58.10 | Unkle | When the morning crew arrived to do just that... well, they were shocked I was here. |
| 15:01.43 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 15:02.42 | Unkle | I thought I was just tired. |
| 15:03.23 | mckenziemc | on the plus side, CO2 is probably the safest gas to breath in elevated levels (relative to oxygen) |
| 15:04.04 | Unkle | Yeah. It wasn't horrible. It just wasn't /good/. |
| 15:04.56 | mckenziemc | as far as the body adjusting respiration (since the body will adjust for high blood CO2 levels but not low blood oxygen) |
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| 15:07.40 | Humbedooh | look at mckenziemc, sounding all clever |
| 15:07.53 | Humbedooh | pumps mckenziemc full of CO2 |
| 15:07.53 | mckenziemc | asphyxiates Humbedooh. |
| 15:07.57 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 15:10.43 | karl_w_w | why isnt there a lorewalkers addon yet? |
| 15:11.19 | End_ | because it takes less time to do it than to write an addon |
| 15:11.24 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:11.37 | nevcairiel | if you're truely lazy, copy/paste the tomtom macros from the wowhead comments |
| 15:11.53 | foxlit | But that's a bit silly. |
| 15:12.41 | foxlit | There really should be a general addon that'd put those things on your map, so that you can occasionally move 30 yards to the left while levelling and complete the achievements without having to fly around pandaria for them. |
| 15:13.18 | nevcairiel | you can just load the tomtom waypoints up before you start leveling and visit them when you get close |
| 15:13.28 | End_ | shrugs. |
| 15:13.46 | End_ | I finished lorewalkers and there isn't much value for my alts, so I don't really care |
| 15:13.51 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 15:13.57 | nevcairiel | took me half an hour flying around or so |
| 15:14.14 | foxlit | plus there's this assumption of having tomtom :P |
| 15:14.16 | nevcairiel | i was among the first on my realm, i got so many questions where that mount was from |
| 15:14.37 | Industrial | anyone playing PlanetSide 2? |
| 15:14.41 | nevcairiel | foxlit: if you have to install an addon to do it, might as well be tomtom instead of LorewalkerWaypointsOnMapPlacer |
| 15:15.00 | foxlit | so I can have the superior experience of trawling wowhead comments for macros? :) |
| 15:15.24 | nevcairiel | isnt that how people do achievements anyway, go read wowhead comments on how to? |
| 15:15.48 | karl_w_w | <foxlit> plus there's this assumption of having tomtom :P <- if that was true people would stop posting coords with no decimal places and no space in between them |
| 15:17.30 | mckenziemc | stabs karl_w_w with context. |
| 15:17.59 | Kraps | http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/04/tech/innovation/apple-tim-cook/index.html |
| 15:18.01 | Kraps | heh |
| 15:18.09 | Kraps | "A recent article by Bloomberg Businessweek, citing interviews with current and former Apple executives, employees and partners, states "the company is happier and even somewhat more transparent than it was during Jobs' tenure ... There are fewer frantic calls at midnight, and there's less implicit pressure on engineers to cut short or cancel vacations in the heat of product development cycles."" |
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| 15:28.22 | pompy | http://www.webpronews.com/cliff-bleszinski-leaves-epic-games-2012-10 :O |
| 15:29.02 | mckenziemc | pron ews? |
| 15:29.16 | karl_w_w | yes it does |
| 15:29.28 | Kraps | sheep porn |
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| 15:31.24 | pompy | pro-news |
| 15:31.28 | pompy | ~lart bluspacecow |
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| 15:31.34 | bluspacecow | oh hi |
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| 15:50.39 | Vladinator1 | Stanzilla: |
| 15:50.48 | Stanzilla | hi |
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| 16:02.28 | Kraps | "During the first week of launch, prior to the release in China on October 2, the expansion had already sold through approximately 2.7 million copies and the game’s global player base passed 10 million subscribers, with growth across all major regions." |
| 16:03.53 | nevcairiel | over 10 million players, and only a quarter of those got the new expansion? |
| 16:03.58 | nevcairiel | seems a bit low, if you ask me =P |
| 16:04.41 | nevcairiel | well i guess we can allow for a bit more time for everyone to catch up |
| 16:04.47 | Unkle | conflation of two different things being measured. |
| 16:05.01 | Shirik | is in the group of individuals who did not purchase the game |
| 16:05.13 | nevcairiel | cataclysm sold more in the first week, though |
| 16:05.30 | Vladinator1 | I wonder if GetStringWidth() likes it when there is a |T...|t image involved :P |
| 16:05.31 | Kraps | clearly wow is dying???????????? |
| 16:05.44 | Shirik | wow has been dying every year for 10 years |
| 16:05.50 | Unkle | punishes Shirk by strapping him to a chair and making him watch gat gifs all day while listening to Ke$ha's newest album on repeat. |
| 16:05.54 | nevcairiel | its a slow and painful death |
| 16:06.05 | Shirik | it has been going to die the next year every year for 10 years |
| 16:06.09 | Shirik | has been going to |
| 16:06.14 | Shirik | that is possibly the best verb tense ever |
| 16:06.23 | Unkle | Only in English. |
| 16:06.26 | nevcairiel | and yet, it sounds valid |
| 16:06.38 | Shirik | it's how you reference the future from the past |
| 16:06.49 | nevcairiel | whats that called, past perfect or something? |
| 16:06.56 | Shirik | I don't know those terms |
| 16:07.01 | Unkle | No, it's how you reference the past from a future in the present. |
| 16:07.36 | Shirik | no I'm referencing the future |
| 16:07.43 | Shirik | from the perspective of the past |
| 16:07.50 | Shirik | 2 years ago, wow was going to end next year |
| 16:08.06 | alestane | next year with regard to two years ago. |
| 16:08.07 | nevcairiel | apparently, ist just called "Future in the Past" |
| 16:09.24 | Unkle | And every new MMO is a "WoW-Killer" |
| 16:09.36 | nevcairiel | and every new MMO fails within its first year |
| 16:09.52 | Unkle | At this point, I think the only company that can kill WoW is Blizzard. |
| 16:09.53 | nevcairiel | swtor failed even faster then i expected, went f2p within 6 month or so |
| 16:10.20 | Unkle | SWTOR felt like a 40-50 hours single-player game. |
| 16:10.24 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 16:10.27 | nevcairiel | i liked it |
| 16:10.32 | nevcairiel | but it was all i did in it |
| 16:10.37 | nevcairiel | a month or two of single player |
| 16:10.38 | Shirik | it's close to present perfect progressive |
| 16:10.39 | End_ | I thought swtor had fun story, but I din't want to level any alts because I didn't feel like doing side quests again |
| 16:10.54 | Shirik | but it's present perfect progressive + some future tense |
| 16:11.12 | Shirik | yes, yes this makes sense |
| 16:11.24 | Shirik | Unkle was right, part of it is in the present |
| 16:11.33 | Shirik | the "going to die" is in the present and continuing |
| 16:11.37 | Shirik | and started in the past |
| 16:11.37 | Unkle | I liked parts of it. But I couldn't get past the fact that I was a member of a highly technologically advanced society, a student in the Sith Academy, and a) I had to walk everywhere, and b) I had to mug random beings for their lunch money. |
| 16:11.39 | nevcairiel | i shouldnt have brought it up |
| 16:12.07 | Shirik | and "going to die" is a future tense |
| 16:12.12 | nevcairiel | Unkle: it kinda fit into my char, because i picked that race that started as a slave and somehow walked into the sith academy |
| 16:12.17 | Shirik | I am now calling this present perfect progressive future |
| 16:13.02 | nevcairiel | I liked being evil, but i sometimes had to restrain myself from making such evil comments to real-life people =P |
| 16:14.32 | Unkle | I started out as Sith. And ... well, it just felt like WoW with lightsabers instead of swords. I wanted Star Wars, not medieval times in space. |
| 16:17.36 | nevcairiel | you would really expect such a lightsaber could just cut through some small animal, eh |
| 16:18.36 | nevcairiel | oh well, it still gave me a few weeks of fun |
| 16:18.37 | Shirik | tbh I view star wars as medieval times in space |
| 16:19.00 | Shirik | like honestly, who uses a sword when they could use a rifle |
| 16:19.17 | Shirik | if you want to deflect shots, use your rifle and shoot the bullets |
| 16:19.30 | nevcairiel | but it looks so much cooler with a light saber |
| 16:19.44 | Unkle | They have deflector screens too. |
| 16:20.10 | Unkle | And body armor - but it doesn't seem to do much against hand weapons. |
| 16:20.53 | nevcairiel | its entertainment, sense not expect you should |
| 16:21.37 | Unkle | Yes. But it just didn't make me feel like I was doing Star Wars, so... meh. |
| 16:21.58 | nevcairiel | i guess that was one of the biggest complaints of many fans |
| 16:22.51 | nevcairiel | i really wonder what blizzards next-gen mmo ("titan") will be |
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| 16:26.30 | Unkle | We can only hope it's totally amazeballs. |
| 16:29.10 | Dagmar | I didn't like it because it was generic dross. |
| 16:29.38 | Dagmar | Of course, it probably didn't help _much_ that the class I picked wasn't exactly one from canon, so they were apparently very short on ideas. |
| 16:30.05 | Dagmar | Every single mission amounted to "go over there, make friends with those people we don't like, and then tell us who they are so we can kill them all at once." |
| 16:30.12 | Dagmar | Rinse, repeat. |
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| 16:30.33 | Dagmar | That's kinda not really trying very hard as far as storyline goes |
| 16:30.48 | Dagmar | ...and why I wasn't allowed to just sell out Vader to the Republic, I have no idea. |
| 16:31.11 | Dagmar | It's generally a bad idea to trust someone who's just spent 40+ levels doublecrossing _everyone_ |
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| 16:31.53 | nevcairiel | you rule by fear, not loyalty |
| 16:34.27 | Dagmar | If you're an Imperial Agent, you rule by lists. |
| 16:34.35 | Dagmar | You turn in a list of names, everyone on it dies |
| 16:34.42 | Dagmar | ...and they pay you. |
| 16:39.30 | zenzelezz | I got my agent to 50-something and then didn't feel compelled to log in anymore |
| 16:43.44 | alestane | Wow, Cliff Belinsky's leaving Epic. |
| 16:43.46 | alestane | Blezinsky* |
| 16:44.41 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 16:44.42 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 16:44.59 | karl_w_w | second archaeology artifact i make is the polearm |
| 16:45.06 | karl_w_w | and i dont play hunter or druid |
| 16:45.31 | nevcairiel | monk? :) |
| 16:45.39 | karl_w_w | not yet |
| 16:45.45 | nevcairiel | besides, hunter dont use polearms anymore |
| 16:45.50 | nevcairiel | they only carry range weapons now |
| 16:46.06 | karl_w_w | oh yeah |
| 16:49.12 | Dark_Elf | well one could carry polearm if they did a pure melee hunter |
| 16:50.28 | karl_w_w | only one, for the rest of us to point and laugh |
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| 17:01.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUdPabnXUNA&feature=youtu.be&t=23s this is scary |
| 17:01.20 | karl_w_w | that man is likely to be the prime minister next year |
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| 17:57.33 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 18:01.45 | cogwheel | Fisker: u jelly? |
| 18:02.43 | Torhal|work | Cairenn, dolby: http://o7.no/Pd411Q audio ads |
| 18:03.47 | Torhal|work | Strike that - WoWHead. |
| 18:07.05 | Fisker | why cogwheel ? |
| 18:12.30 | alestane | Of Australia, karl_w_w? |
| 18:12.45 | karl_w_w | yes alestane |
| 18:13.02 | alestane | I know that Ms. Gillard's support isn't as strong as it was. |
| 18:13.11 | karl_w_w | it was never strong |
| 18:13.22 | karl_w_w | most people dont like her at all |
| 18:13.40 | alestane | The carbon tax issue has been fairly thorny. |
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| 18:14.25 | karl_w_w | we just hate him because he has no policies and has literally admitted that anything he says could be a lie |
| 18:14.43 | karl_w_w | and he proves that most weeks |
| 18:16.34 | alestane | But he apparently has a parliamentary following. |
| 18:17.08 | karl_w_w | yes I can't work it out |
| 18:17.28 | karl_w_w | he has literally nothing going for him |
| 18:17.55 | karl_w_w | he was a boxer in his youth, maybe that's how he's got support :P |
| 18:18.11 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 18:18.14 | karl_w_w | I wish he'd punched the journalist in that clio |
| 18:18.23 | karl_w_w | clip, would have been great for the country |
| 18:18.57 | cogwheel | Fisker: |
| 18:18.58 | cogwheel | jelly |
| 18:18.59 | cogwheel | u |
| 18:19.00 | cogwheel | ? |
| 18:19.50 | Unkle | so ... tired ... already. |
| 18:22.24 | End_ | jelly double u |
| 18:22.52 | Fisker | nope cogwheel |
| 18:23.07 | TC-Work | Unkle: it's not even noon yet |
| 18:23.16 | cogwheel | TC-Work: he made fast internets |
| 18:23.20 | cogwheel | at 3am |
| 18:23.43 | TC-Work | He is just picking up your slack cogwheel |
| 18:23.43 | cogwheel | and gia wouldn't stop barking at every little noise from the time he left so i'm feeling it too -_- |
| 18:23.54 | Unkle | Sorry dude. |
| 18:23.59 | cogwheel | not your fault :P |
| 18:24.00 | Unkle | I was trying to be quiet. |
| 18:24.18 | cogwheel | only 1 of the episodes was from you. the rest were other dogs and things |
| 18:25.00 | Unkle | Actually when you get home, need to pick your brain about something. (IE something went horribly wrong, and I think I know what, but want to check something you set up in the past). |
| 18:25.32 | kd3 | what'd you do this time? |
| 18:26.39 | Unkle | Oh, aside from sitting in elevated C02 for um... 4 hours? I killed the exhanges server and the VOIP phone link's ability to talk to the world. No biggie. |
| 18:27.47 | cogwheel | you need to add the new IPs to the SPF entry in the DNS record |
| 18:27.48 | Unkle | Rather than debugging it (running out of time) I just backed out all the changes. |
| 18:28.05 | Unkle | *nod* I did that. |
| 18:28.08 | cogwheel | and you need to call Empire Communications to tell them the new ip address you're giving the box |
| 18:29.29 | Unkle | I was *this* close - but... |
| 18:31.15 | kd3 | hm steam stuff on sale |
| 18:33.34 | Dagmar | Tell them to fix the CO2 problem before you kill again. |
| 18:33.54 | Unkle | The C02 problem was my fault. |
| 18:34.15 | Unkle | (Forgot to turn on the exhaust fans) |
| 18:34.27 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
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| 18:51.11 | g0urra | http://i.imgur.com/nAhBg.jpg |
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| 19:07.00 | Rythal|work | new rep rules = a very very very happy man |
| 19:20.19 | Arrowmaster | i just used a wowace amazon gift card to buy a horse mask |
| 19:21.36 | pompy | :O |
| 19:26.38 | Arrowmaster | ordered 2 car phone/tablet mounts to try and put together to make this http://imgur.com/a/ofGtY#hAQjQ a horse mask and a guy fawkes mask, should all be here before halloween |
| 19:31.10 | Rythal|work | I wanted an iWound for halloween, but they won't ship it to me :/ |
| 19:33.29 | Arrowmaster | the guy fawkes mask was an impulse purchase when it showed up under recommended or similar items just now and was only $5 |
| 19:33.56 | Arrowmaster | nothing screams "I'm from the internet" like a guy fawkes and a horse mask |
| 19:34.35 | Rythal|work | I have a bad feeling I'm going to be strung up for the first time since taking over Carb very soon... |
| 19:35.10 | Torhal|work | Rythal|work: You want me to rescue you by using the code to release "Han Solo"? |
| 19:35.14 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 19:35.47 | Rythal|work | please... I just made a statement refusing donations for code that violates blizzards policy, so i'm sure a lot of people are going to haize me :| |
| 19:36.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I'm not even sure I want to know what sordid role the tablet mounts are going to play in that |
| 19:36.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: http://imgur.com/a/cZBO5 |
| 19:37.31 | Dagmar | I don't see any masks in that image set |
| 19:37.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: im going to make a cd slot tablet mount |
| 19:37.37 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 19:37.41 | Dagmar | Non-sequitir perhaps |
| 19:37.59 | Dagmar | Umm... |
| 19:38.21 | Dagmar | Let's hope your disc player doesn't mind being fed something long that's round on only one end |
| 19:38.42 | Arrowmaster | disc player is a PoS |
| 19:39.25 | Arrowmaster | when i drove 5 hours to PA for that job i burn audio books to CDs and it was bitchy every time i had to change CDs |
| 19:39.36 | Arrowmaster | so no i have an FM transmitter |
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| 19:41.03 | Arrowmaster | i pulled off my dash and remounted the player (kid that owned the car before me completely fucked up the install) and found wires plugged into the back that didnt go anywhere |
| 19:41.17 | Arrowmaster | now i need to find the manual online for how to set the time again |
| 19:41.27 | Torhal|work | Telekinesis. |
| 19:41.29 | Neffi | So I guess if you guys want to run for a political position in the US, you should quit WoW |
| 19:41.29 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/candidate-for-maine-state-senate-attacked-for-warcraft-character/ |
| 19:41.52 | Neffi | republican party in Maine hands out flyers that a democrat plays WoW. an orc specifically. a "scary-looking" one and she likes to "poison things" |
| 19:42.08 | Neffi | I laughed pretty well |
| 19:42.25 | Arrowmaster | id vote for an orc rogue |
| 19:42.52 | Neffi | weird that her website went offline after the story was posted |
| 19:42.58 | Arrowmaster | guy clearly did his research instead of jumping on the bandwagon of undeads |
| 19:43.09 | Neffi | hey i like undeads |
| 19:43.16 | Arrowmaster | worst race ever |
| 19:43.22 | Neffi | u just jelly |
| 19:43.31 | Arrowmaster | of what? |
| 19:43.41 | Neffi | awesome dance, animations and good racial? |
| 19:43.49 | Arrowmaster | racials are terrible |
| 19:43.51 | Neffi | plus greatest horde leader |
| 19:44.05 | Neffi | well, since Thrall left |
| 19:45.11 | Arrowmaster | http://imgur.com/l40p0 |
| 19:45.20 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 19:45.23 | Fisker | getting a nexus 7? |
| 19:45.39 | Fisker | why are you going to prank streetview Arrowmaster ? |
| 19:46.20 | Neffi | One of the what-ifs on xkcd made me appreciate that less |
| 19:46.41 | Neffi | Every time I saw the picture I thought to myself, "how fast would you actually need to go?" but was too lazy to do the match. |
| 19:46.51 | Stanzilla | Fisker: no |
| 19:46.55 | Neffi | He says at least red->green takes (1/3)C |
| 19:47.02 | Rythal|work | Cho for warchief 2013! |
| 19:47.14 | Neffi | Gamon for warchief |
| 19:47.22 | Neffi | I'd roll horde again honestly |
| 19:47.31 | Fisker | why not Stanzilla ? |
| 19:47.41 | Rythal|work | bah, they need a fluffy cuddly panda to lead them |
| 19:48.37 | Stanzilla | Fisker: why should i |
| 19:48.45 | Fisker | why shouldn't you? |
| 19:49.06 | Rythal|work | then again... with wrathion saying alliance & horde will need to fight together again in the coming days, I can honestly not predict who new warchief will be |
| 19:49.58 | Adys | Dagmar: is there a virtualenv that lets you install non-python packages and apps |
| 19:50.17 | Adys | like say I want to run an instance of postgres or whatever *within* a virtualenv |
| 19:53.39 | Dagmar | I *think* that only affects python and it's own search path, so you can probably get away with it |
| 19:56.52 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 19:57.00 | Fisker | still not on the smartphone wagon? |
| 19:57.20 | Adys | Dagmar: oh, I can |
| 19:57.53 | Adys | but what I wanted is to have postgres installed within the venv, running from there and storing its data there |
| 19:58.51 | Adys | Fisker: you're gonna like this one. our gm dual-boxes his warr+priest; every achiev he completes on his warr appears on his warr first (char1 has earned the achievement ...) |
| 19:59.01 | Adys | then on his priest, because of the account-wide achievs |
| 19:59.14 | Adys | then on his priest *again* because of the second completion |
| 19:59.27 | Adys | then on his warr *again* because of the account-wide completion |
| 20:01.41 | Stanzilla | Fisker: nope |
| 20:06.31 | Dagmar | Adys: I can see you're going to have a lot of fun with postgres |
| 20:06.43 | Adys | i dont really mind running it globally |
| 20:06.48 | Adys | ive been running it like this for years |
| 20:06.56 | Adys | but i keep wondering for various apps |
| 20:07.02 | Dagmar | virtualenv is not a chroot. |
| 20:15.54 | karl_w_w | Stanzilla, Fisker: down with smartphones! |
| 20:20.18 | Amarande | Adys: achievements even share to additional WoW accounts on the same Bnet account? |
| 20:20.25 | Adys | apparently |
| 20:20.40 | Amarande | since I doubt Blizz lets you log onto more than one character at once on the same wow account now :p |
| 20:21.17 | Vladinator1 | Prat needs an update, at some point the game now supports {g#} tags as well :) |
| 20:21.31 | Vladinator1 | refering to ChatFrame.lua:3193 |
| 20:21.39 | Arrowmaster | you know who to tell |
| 20:22.12 | Vladinator1 | ghost busters? |
| 20:22.21 | Vladinator1 | nvm that was call, not tell :P |
| 20:22.43 | Amarande | wow, that just reminded me |
| 20:22.49 | Amarande | remember that old fun quest in stratholme |
| 20:22.54 | Vladinator | explain |
| 20:22.56 | Amarande | the one where you had to use the gun looking thing on the ghosts? |
| 20:23.04 | Vladinator | yes |
| 20:23.05 | Amarande | with 5.0, we'll never see a quest like that again I suspect :( |
| 20:23.09 | Vladinator | :'( |
| 20:23.10 | Amarande | no ranged slot for people to burn |
| 20:24.01 | xyphoid | if only they had some way of putting a backpack model on the player, and having a gun item to click in your backpack |
| 20:24.31 | Amarande | that strath quest was fun, though. I miss it. |
| 20:26.47 | Fisker | :D Adys |
| 20:27.04 | Fisker | anyway Stanzilla |
| 20:27.09 | Fisker | save up for the new nexii then |
| 20:27.14 | Stanzilla | the LG one? |
| 20:27.18 | Fisker | noone knows yet |
| 20:27.20 | Stanzilla | or the htc samsung ones |
| 20:27.24 | Fisker | rumor is that everyone is getting to make one |
| 20:27.28 | Stanzilla | I heard that |
| 20:27.31 | Fisker | LG one sounds like the best one |
| 20:27.34 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 20:27.57 | Fisker | hopefully they won't suck as much when Google is taking care of updates |
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| 20:40.03 | Neffi | I don't trust the Android team's commitment to updates |
| 20:40.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's no range-only slot, just like there's no melee-only slot |
| 20:40.43 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hunters can still weild polearms and so on. They'd just be _really_ stupid to do so now. |
| 20:40.51 | Neffi | They promised to make the platform less fragmented. It's worse than ever. They did nothing at all to fix the problems, instead they still withhold new version for too long which is a lot of what leads to version fragmentation. |
| 20:41.28 | Dagmar | Neffi: who does? Google? |
| 20:41.29 | Neffi | Not to mention, they changed the app store to allow app authors to target specific devices. It's now possible for a company to say "this app is not allowed to be installed an <these> phones, or on <this> carrier" |
| 20:41.34 | Neffi | the Android team |
| 20:41.42 | Dagmar | They don't hold back releases |
| 20:41.44 | Neffi | new versions are developed closed, until close to release |
| 20:42.11 | Neffi | They dont open the source until it's just about ready to be released. Which means OEMs dont get code to update their own software stack for a while. |
| 20:42.22 | Neffi | I mean they get it before official release |
| 20:42.33 | Neffi | but for an "open" OS, that's not open |
| 20:42.35 | Dagmar | I imagine they made the change to allow authors to restrict installtion from certain things because of hte number of people who would install a hotspot app, and then get in trouble with the carrier and/or give them bad reviews |
| 20:42.49 | Amarande | Glah. Is Goldthorn just this rare or am I getting unlucky with spawns |
| 20:42.59 | Dagmar | ...because the only reason Verizon allows wifi/AP apps is that the FCC held a gun to their head |
| 20:43.13 | Neffi | Dagmar: Courts in US (at least) ruled against the idea that carriers can artificually limit hotspots. So they're not allowed to penalize you now. |
| 20:43.19 | Dagmar | Sprint is still under the impression that it's okay for them to declare by fiat you can't run something like that |
| 20:43.34 | Dagmar | neffi: Citation? |
| 20:43.44 | Neffi | The article was posted a few months ago |
| 20:43.50 | Torhal|work | Dagmar: Verizon bought the spectrum of bandwidth with the stipulation that they couldn't do the no-tethering thing and they did it anyway |
| 20:43.54 | Neffi | I gotta head to school, but I'll post it here later |
| 20:43.57 | Arrowmaster | google still wont let me download google wallet on my nexus s, so i have to copy the apk from my nexus7 everytime theres an update |
| 20:44.21 | Neffi | Yeah same shit. I'm forced to pirate free apps on a rooted phone because the service is out. |
| 20:44.51 | Neffi | No service means it doesn't match up to service-limited apps at all |
| 20:45.10 | Neffi | Thankfully people like Skype offer the APK as well. Google isn't so nice about it. |
| 20:45.10 | Fisker | doesn't matter Neffi |
| 20:45.19 | Torhal|work | pirates Fisker. |
| 20:45.22 | Neffi | Wait, I mean Dropbox. |
| 20:45.32 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Hey at least you have NFC |
| 20:45.35 | Fisker | software is not updated because they don't get the code (But they did make an initiative to share it) |
| 20:45.46 | Neffi | Dropbox wants me to have access to the APK, but the app store still limits me. Giving me the impression that it's not Dropbox's doing, but Google's or carrier's. |
| 20:45.52 | Fisker | carriers are the reason |
| 20:46.24 | Dagmar | It's always the carrier |
| 20:46.45 | Neffi | I still think it's the best mobile OS out there. But now that MeeGo is being continued by its original developers (under a new name), I'm jumping ship soon |
| 20:47.17 | Neffi | Vanilla kernel + stable, tried-and-true software stack that's portable between desktop and mobile? That just sounds good. |
| 20:47.24 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Your phone probably doesn't have the requisite hardware for Google Wallet |
| 20:47.44 | Fisker | it does |
| 20:47.48 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: it does, i have it installed and configured, just no place to use it |
| 20:47.49 | Dagmar | There's a "secure element" chip it uses to store the paycard infgormation securely that very few phones have |
| 20:47.56 | Fisker | like the nexus s |
| 20:48.04 | Dagmar | On phones without that, it runs without the security feature |
| 20:48.13 | Neffi | TPM? |
| 20:48.26 | Arrowmaster | well the sprint nexus s lets you install wallet from the marketplace |
| 20:48.30 | Neffi | I read something on TPM suggesting that its supposed benefits were totally moot |
| 20:48.40 | Neffi | I'll find that article later too |
| 20:48.43 | Dagmar | It probably is |
| 20:48.55 | Neffi | It pointed out that the technology is 100% redundant and provides zero benefit |
| 20:49.16 | Neffi | * other than providing a unique, hardware-embedded GUID with which to identify the phone remotely |
| 20:49.34 | Dagmar | At this point the thing that should worry you isn't that. It's that NFC is a fucking mess |
| 20:49.49 | Dagmar | At first glance it appears to be about as secure as firewire interfaces. |
| 20:49.57 | Neffi | oh yeah NFC was just hacked a week ago |
| 20:49.58 | Fisker | The secure element could be implemented either by a separate secure smart card chip (currently implemented in most of the NFC-enabled mobile phone pilots), in the SIM/UICC (which is used by GSM mobile phone operators to authenticate subscribers on their networks and maintain personalized subscriber information and applications), or in an SD card that can be inserted in the mobile phone. The secure element implementation approach will be |
| 20:49.58 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.58 | Dagmar | There was some Serious Talk about it at Blackhat |
| 20:50.00 | Arrowmaster | but android beam is awesome |
| 20:50.06 | Fisker | so this means that every phone supports a secure element |
| 20:50.19 | Neffi | I cant remember where that was posted, but Google search should come up with "nfc hacked" |
| 20:50.31 | Neffi | Also I feel really iffy about having a phone manage my money. Let alone wirelessly. |
| 20:50.37 | Neffi | Lose my phone = I'm fucked. |
| 20:50.44 | Dagmar | Android Beam is only awesome if you have NFC. |
| 20:50.57 | Neffi | Even more incentive to steal a device that's only growing in value exponentially. It's like a thief's dream. |
| 20:50.59 | Arrowmaster | lose phone and you just login to googles page and disable it |
| 20:51.18 | Arrowmaster | plus wallet requires a 4 digit pin code that must be entered to unlock it |
| 20:51.20 | Neffi | Still. I dont trust a system that's so loose with respect to security. |
| 20:51.23 | Dagmar | ...which the GSII doesn't have, despite Sprint's first announcements about ICS availability touting that as a feature for several days until someone reminded marketing that they took it out of the Epic 4G Touch |
| 20:51.38 | Arrowmaster | and wallet can only be used when the phone is unlocked and the screen is on |
| 20:51.40 | Neffi | Well Google around. I think that part was hacked. |
| 20:51.41 | Alram | GSII korea does have NFC! Obviously best Korea! |
| 20:52.11 | Neffi | Had to do with an Android issue. An app being able to get unrestricted access to all that data. |
| 20:52.28 | Arrowmaster | oh they installed an app to do it? |
| 20:53.00 | Neffi | It was twofold |
| 20:53.09 | Neffi | Certain things were accessible remotely over NFC |
| 20:53.16 | Arrowmaster | if your phone is lost they arent going to be able to pull off that kind of attack unless you arent using encryption and your phone is rooted |
| 20:53.39 | Arrowmaster | which im guilty of |
| 20:53.41 | Dagmar | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/133501-black-hat-hacker-lays-waste-to-android-and-meego-using-nfc-exploits |
| 20:53.50 | Neffi | And I'm sure plenty of others are too |
| 20:54.11 | Neffi | I dont really trust any software to be secure. The more you rely on it to be secure, the worse it is when that does fail. |
| 20:55.06 | Arrowmaster | lets see, i dont use 2.3, dont use meego |
| 20:55.19 | Arrowmaster | and android beem only works when the phone is unlocked and the screen is on |
| 20:55.28 | Neffi | That was the NFC hack |
| 20:55.36 | Neffi | Somebody hacked the wallet shit or whatever you call it too |
| 20:55.47 | Neffi | I think that was patched, maybe not, maybe. I didnt follow up on it. |
| 20:56.27 | Dagmar | Yeah I pretty much threw up my hands because about ten minutes later I found out for sure my phone doesn't have NFC and it doesn't have a functioning FM radio reciever |
| 20:56.31 | Dagmar | Fuck Sprint. |
| 20:56.52 | Dagmar | Next time I'll buy a phone outright and if they give me any shit about it I'll walk |
| 20:57.11 | Alram | It's sad that FM radio is still a must for me |
| 20:57.11 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: afaik mine has an FM radio reciever but nobody has ever made it work |
| 20:57.38 | Dagmar | If I weren't for TN's obscenity laws, I'd go into those places with the words "I WILL FUCK YOU OVER IF YOU DARE" on my shirt |
| 20:57.52 | nevcairiel | my FM radio works with stock firmware, get better phones |
| 20:58.01 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: what phone? |
| 20:58.03 | Fisker | nah it doesn't nevcairiel |
| 20:58.07 | nevcairiel | sgs2 |
| 20:58.11 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: In the case of Sprint, I'm pretty sure it's because they so desperately want you using their media streaming services instead of listening to the "free music" |
| 20:58.13 | Neffi | Well I'm off to college. g'day. |
| 20:58.13 | pompy | karl_w_w: http://www.curseforge.com/addons/lorewalkers/ BTW |
| 20:58.16 | Fisker | that's not stock firmware! |
| 20:58.24 | Fisker | unless you mean "stock" as in touchwiz |
| 20:58.26 | nevcairiel | manufacturer stock! |
| 20:58.27 | Dagmar | nevcairiel: Epic 4G Touch? |
| 20:58.31 | Fisker | and Arrowmaster the FM chip isn't wired up on the galaxy nexus |
| 20:58.41 | Fisker | not sure about the nexus s |
| 20:58.48 | Alram | please Fisker |
| 20:58.50 | Fisker | but i wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the same thing |
| 20:58.52 | Alram | stock != aosp |
| 20:58.53 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was part of the wireless chip |
| 20:59.04 | Arrowmaster | just probably not enabled in the radio firmware |
| 20:59.17 | Fisker | pls Alram aosp = android oh stock pfirmware |
| 20:59.22 | Fisker | (the p is silent) |
| 20:59.43 | Dagmar | All the stuff I've seen on it says it might be there, but the values they get when they try to talk to it are insane, so it's probably not functional |
| 20:59.46 | Fisker | the pinouts weren't even soldered on the galaxy nexus as far as i know Arrowmaster |
| 20:59.53 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 21:00.00 | Fisker | yeah |
| 21:00.04 | Fisker | it was pretty fucking stupid |
| 21:00.33 | Alram | sometimes i get mad Fisker |
| 21:00.40 | Fisker | me too Alram |
| 21:04.18 | Dagmar | Mousey: you realize that's not an actual code snapshot, right? |
| 21:05.06 | Fisker | meh pompy |
| 21:05.08 | Fisker | too late |
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| 21:31.05 | pompy | whats meh Fisker |
| 21:31.46 | p3lim | Anyone on Gara'jal? |
| 21:31.56 | p3lim | We keep getting wiped off during the transition |
| 21:31.57 | Fisker | lorewalkers addon |
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| 21:57.57 | kd3 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/59175614/2012-10-04%2016.25.57.jpg & http://dl.dropbox.com/u/59175614/2012-10-04%2015.59.08.jpg |
| 21:58.11 | kd3 | remodeling the master bath at my parents' place |
| 21:58.25 | kd3 | the house was built in '93. that's a little much for water damage... |
| 22:01.03 | Dagmar | That depends on how often someone overflows the loo |
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| 22:01.24 | Dagmar | I'm sure you feel a lot better about the stains on the wood, now. |
| 22:05.04 | kd3 | more like impressed. the toilet was on the other side of the bathroom from that corner |
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| 22:08.17 | kd3 | also, heh. I just got "It's Over Nine Thousand!" but the achievement window says I'm at 8975 |
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| 22:09.41 | Humbedooh | kd3: you cheater you |
| 22:16.27 | Amarande | I wonder if the progression counter somehow still counts the points for fossed achievements? |
| 22:16.47 | Amarande | like, ones that used to be worth points but became FoS due to their requirements being made no longer feasible? |
| 22:18.36 | Vladinator | if nax is over northrend, why is kelthuzads chamber showing the old view? :P |
| 22:21.52 | Amarande | heh, that might be a good thing |
| 22:22.05 | Amarande | otherwise, you'd have to show all those siege engines and undead and such milling around in dragonblight |
| 22:22.16 | Amarande | imagine the effect on framerates on computers that were current at the time LK came out :) |
| 22:23.46 | xyphoid | i thought the view out the window was northrend anyway |
| 22:24.03 | xyphoid | like wasn't it a portal to northrend even when naxx was over strat |
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| 22:59.50 | Kraps | heavy http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6794350230#1 |
| 23:03.46 | Kraps | holy shit http://i.imgur.com/KVRnb.jpg |
| 23:04.32 | Kraps | what a noob, dps isnt deaths per second |
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| 23:07.41 | TC-Work | Kraps: Not literal....but it is technically correct. |
| 23:10.38 | Coote | Must be the biggest nubcake to have so many deaths per second. She must be dying a dozen times in the time it takes to blink. |
| 23:13.18 | Shirik | still you probably should get your flyer correct if you're going to send out something like that |
| 23:13.28 | Shirik | they could have hired some 16 year old for $10 to proofread that |
| 23:13.49 | TC-Work | That could be worse |
| 23:13.54 | TC-Work | much much worse |
| 23:14.08 | Kraps | sorry TC-Work 8k dps is a much more interesting number than .10 dps |
| 23:16.02 | TC-Work | meh |
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| 23:48.07 | myran2 | would anyone mind helping me out with updating an addon from WOTLK? I've never done anything with Lua before, but I kind of have it working. |
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| 23:55.58 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: headache :( |
| 23:56.04 | Stanzilla | heh |
| 23:56.07 | Stanzilla | goto sleep |
| 23:56.17 | Vladinator | I always get some disease from work :/ |
| 23:56.30 | Vladinator | like 3rd week I am "ill" |
| 23:56.52 | Vladinator | I get better then I go bad again when I hang with colleauges that are sick |
