| 00:02.39 | Amarande | kd3: sounds like Oracle's QA testers aren't having enough java in the morning before they test their java, heh |
| 00:03.45 | Arrowmaster | giant skag keeps killing me, already cost me $30k |
| 00:04.07 | Amarande | <Oracle Boss> "You! We see your code has had too many bugs compared to the other members of your dev team. We also see from the campus vending machine logs that you haven't been buying enough coffee. Obviously you need to wake up more before coding. MORE COFFEE. NAO!" |
| 00:04.43 | kd3 | uhm, wow. don't jump your lawn mower with a car: http://imgur.com/Fu0Mt |
| 00:06.09 | Semlar | not if it's covered in gasoline |
| 00:10.28 | Semlar | that lawn doesn't really look like it needs mowing |
| 00:22.57 | nebula169_ | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5452415532?page=1#4 was a lie ;[ a transfer got server first paladin |
| 00:23.07 | nebula169_ | i blame you Fisker |
| 00:24.42 | Dagmar | Grass is short! Mission accomplished. |
| 00:25.39 | Jamash | is there a slash command to open the pet journal? |
| 00:29.53 | Amarande | nebula: dang. |
| 00:30.08 | Amarande | I wonder, can just anyone claim two server firsts by getting it once and then transferring to a server that doesn't have the server first for that class yet? |
| 00:30.23 | Amarande | or do you have to transfer while still 89 and then ding from there? |
| 00:30.35 | Semlar | you aren't supposed to be able to get a server first from a transfer, those people probably won't be able to keep that |
| 00:30.40 | Amarande | transfer ninjas suck, anyway |
| 00:30.49 | Amarande | as I should know quite well, since I'm on Ysera and read up on our server's history :P |
| 00:31.03 | Amarande | we apparently had our black bug mount ninja'd way back when by a transfer |
| 00:31.12 | nebula169_ | same |
| 00:31.27 | nebula169_ | someone xfered with the scepter when people on our server were like half done |
| 00:31.34 | Amarande | and not only did he ninja it, he was also enough of a douchebag to ninja it very late on a Monday night so that maintenance would eat the whole rest of the window |
| 00:32.05 | sintAcks | Realm First Level 90 Rogue. |
| 00:32.06 | sintAcks | woo |
| 00:32.24 | Amarande | at least now there is a usable-anywhere bug mount that anyone can get |
| 00:32.46 | Amarande | though OTOH, if you're not lucky, it could take longer than soloing the entire war effort would have (in theory, if one person was left to do it all on a given server, anyway), LOL |
| 00:33.11 | Amarande | which one is that from anyway ... dwarf or tol'vir? tol'vir I think |
| 00:33.17 | Jamash | tol'vir |
| 00:34.24 | Jamash | so I haven't run the tribes ascend patcher since late beta |
| 00:34.37 | Jamash | it's installing every patch since then one after the other |
| 00:34.55 | Jamash | I thought that sort of patching went out of style like eight years ago |
| 00:35.10 | Amarande | Jamash: heh, I wish |
| 00:35.18 | Amarande | If I ever want to upgrade to Ivy Bridge processors, for instance? |
| 00:35.26 | Jamash | I almost only play blizzard and steam games |
| 00:35.31 | Amarande | apparently, I may need to install EVERY FRACKING BIOS UPDATE EVER RELEASED for this board, in order |
| 00:35.43 | Amarande | at the least, you cannot, apparently, simply patch the BIOS from factory to latest |
| 00:35.55 | Jamash | so I'm mostly insulated from the madness of other video game companies' patching "systems" |
| 00:36.00 | Amarande | it will recognise the BIOS update as valid, but say that the F7 update procedure "is not permitted" |
| 00:36.05 | Jamash | awesome |
| 00:36.25 | Amarande | the Windows based update utility won't throw an error, but you reboot and find that the BIOS was left unchanged |
| 00:36.37 | Amarande | which sounds like you have to install one or more intermediate versions at best, and every single one in order at worst :S |
| 00:36.49 | Jamash | buy a new motherboard? |
| 00:36.59 | Amarande | nah, especially since this is a pretty good mobo |
| 00:37.01 | Jamash | who upgrades processors, seriously |
| 00:37.04 | Amarande | probably won't go to IB for a while anyway though |
| 00:37.05 | Jamash | I have never, ever done that |
| 00:37.14 | Amarande | actually, I did a few months ago |
| 00:37.27 | Amarande | as when I converted back from Linux to Windows, I decided that it would be best to replace the processor |
| 00:37.29 | Jamash | by the time a new enough processor is out to make it worth upgrading, your old motherboard is probably going to hold the new processor back |
| 00:38.03 | Amarande | (when I first built this machine, I deliberately cheaped out on the processor and hard drive, getting only an i3 dual core and a 160GB HD, because those were all I really needed for Linux ... but Windows and gaming benefit from an upgrade) |
| 00:38.08 | Jamash | unless of course you're the sort of person who spends more than $1000/yr upgrading your PC |
| 00:38.34 | Adys | you usually upgrade processor and mobo at the same time |
| 00:38.37 | Jamash | ^ |
| 00:38.39 | Adys | if its every 8 years, so be it |
| 00:38.51 | Amarande | so decided that, returning to PC gaming, I should at least have a quad core i5 |
| 00:39.20 | Jamash | *if* you got a beefy motherboard and a cheap processor intentionally, you might be in the one segment of the population that can justify it, I guess |
| 00:39.20 | Amarande | however, if I had stayed in Linux for good as I had originally thought to do before the gnawing of gaming (and a sad future of Web video in the USA) got to me, that would be mostly overkill and a dual core i3 would be more than good enough |
| 00:39.34 | Amarande | yup. this is a pretty beefy mobo. DZ68DB Intel |
| 00:39.37 | Jamash | wine? |
| 00:39.58 | Amarande | Only problem I've seen with it is that it seems to be poor at regulating USB power draw |
| 00:40.04 | Jamash | a number of peeps in this channel run wow on wine |
| 00:40.11 | Amarande | which means I must be careful to never, ever reboot the box with my phone plugged into the USB, particularly |
| 00:40.21 | Jamash | get a powered hub imo |
| 00:40.41 | Amarande | I actually had that hose my Windows setup the first time I tried installing 7 on the terabyte. Thought the HD or controller might have gone bad, but tests in Knoppix cleared them |
| 00:40.53 | Jamash | you can probably get one off ebay or amazon for $0.01 plus shipping |
| 00:40.57 | Amarande | Discovered it was the phone causing issues when I noticed that memtest would freeze practically on cue the moment the phone was plugged in during test 4 |
| 00:41.06 | Amarande | and worked OK otherwise |
| 00:41.23 | Amarande | I've been using the wall wart since then. Hence the 24-outlet power strip coming from newegg this week |
| 00:41.25 | Jamash | maybe your phone is violating the USB spec |
| 00:41.52 | Jamash | is it native USB or a usb adapter plugged in its weird proprietary port? |
| 00:41.54 | Amarande | I've got way too bloody many things with wall warts that don't draw much power at all, but still take up increasingly precious outlets :P |
| 00:42.16 | Amarande | it looks like HTC uses a standard mini (micro? not sure offhand, but one of the two) USB |
| 00:42.20 | Jamash | hm |
| 00:42.31 | Amarande | however, even if the device tries to draw too much, general thought is that the mobo ought to catch that, which makes that the one flaw in an otherwise stellar mobo |
| 00:42.33 | Jamash | maybe you should install those bios upgrades |
| 00:42.45 | Jamash | have you read the changelogs? |
| 00:42.52 | Amarande | not in detail, no |
| 00:43.02 | Jamash | see if one mentions usb power draw :) |
| 00:43.07 | Amarande | also, given how badly Windows can puke when you reboot with something like that connected ... |
| 00:43.50 | Amarande | let's put it this way, once it basically reset me to a near-clean install, because it couldn't verify ntoskrnl.exe (one of the more common disaster symptoms of the power draw is that it interferes with hardware startup and causes Windows not to be able to verify essential system files, so it throws a Startup Repair hissy fit) |
| 00:44.50 | Amarande | apparently, a lot of phones have issues with that though. it's also smartphone-religion agnostic, too, since the iPhone is as guilty as many Android devices |
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| 00:45.54 | Amarande | although, rofl, this says a lot about apple: |
| 00:46.12 | Amarande | "Hey, so i plugged in my iPhone today and it pulled up a message saying that a USB device was drawing too much power and that the device is now disabled. So after this message popped up my [**MAC**] nor any other means of charging my phone recognize the phone." |
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| 00:46.41 | Amarande | ... yeah. apparently the iPhone is known to not play friendly in some cases with *Macs*. *headdesk* ROFL |
| 00:48.49 | Jamash | I know the ipad draws more power than standard USB2 will provide |
| 00:48.56 | Jamash | didn't know the iphone did |
| 00:49.36 | Amarande | From what I've gathered, it doesn't occur in all cases |
| 00:49.40 | Amarande | I'm not sure what triggers it to happen, though |
| 00:49.41 | Jamash | tribes ascend is still patching |
| 00:50.10 | Amarande | later this week though I'll *actually* have more outlets than I'll ever need, though, so I won't have to worry about finding space for wallwarts |
| 00:51.00 | Amarande | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812120258 |
| 00:51.12 | Jamash | seems like overkill |
| 00:52.18 | Amarande | I actually was going to get the 20, originally |
| 00:52.30 | Jamash | 3x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0FU0EY1364 imo |
| 00:52.48 | Jamash | fewer outlets but MUCH more compact |
| 00:53.10 | Amarande | but the 20 outlet one actually costs a dollar MORE than the 24 atm |
| 00:53.23 | Fisker | mad nebula169_ ? |
| 00:53.39 | nebula169_ | somad |
| 00:53.47 | Fisker | report him? |
| 00:53.52 | nebula169_ | i did |
| 00:54.09 | nebula169_ | so hard |
| 00:54.09 | Fisker | good |
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| 00:56.25 | Neffi | So how's MOP treating you guys? |
| 00:56.46 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/MXy4q.jpg |
| 00:57.17 | Neffi | lord, how wonderful |
| 00:57.39 | durcyn | was going fine until us servers shit themselves a bit ago |
| 00:57.55 | Neffi | are they up yet? |
| 00:58.15 | durcyn | haven't finished crashing as far as i can tell |
| 00:58.23 | Neffi | =( |
| 01:00.53 | Amarande | Ysera looks OK, so did Turalyon based on friends being online |
| 01:07.31 | durcyn | aren't you eu |
| 01:08.33 | Amarande | nope, I'm US |
| 01:12.33 | Neffi | Well Korgath is up, so maybe that's good news |
| 01:12.46 | Neffi | With how packed out server is, I'd expect it to be the first to go down |
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| 01:28.04 | Coote | Apparently I have a stalker. Dunno if I should feel honored, or scared shitless. |
| 01:29.09 | Mr_Rabies | if it's fisker, the latter |
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| 01:35.16 | sintAcks | where's the thing on battle.net for restorations |
| 01:35.55 | sintAcks | nvm |
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| 01:40.26 | TC-Work | Someone just emailed "Anyone ever have posers printed?" i am most amused. |
| 01:41.44 | mckenziemc | prints TC-Work onto a CD label. |
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| 02:09.45 | Sintacks | |Mon/09/24 11:42:16 am| [karl_w_w] I suspect if sintAcks could get laid he wouldnt be here :P |
| 02:09.50 | Sintacks | i could get laid right now if i wanted to |
| 02:10.06 | Sintacks | but i'm weird and don't sleep with anything for the hell of it |
| 02:14.31 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 02:15.13 | mckenziemc | sodomy doesn't count |
| 02:16.45 | mckenziemc | hey Esamynn |
| 02:16.51 | Dagmar | Women are such prudes sometimes. |
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| 02:25.23 | Primer | I got laid a few hours ago |
| 02:25.49 | Primer | wouldn't have if my wife hadn't insisted though... |
| 02:26.32 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 02:26.44 | mckenziemc | i take it she doesn't want you playing wow all day |
| 02:26.54 | Primer | How'd you ever guess that?! |
| 02:27.36 | Primer | Yet here I am, in the Frostmourne queue |
| 02:27.54 | Primer | it was over 2200 at one point last night, 1.5 hour+ wait |
| 02:28.33 | Primer | Guild moved over there because our former realm, Gorgonnash, died off |
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| 03:22.11 | Dark_Elf | ~seen funkydude |
| 03:22.16 | purl | Dark_Elf: i haven't seen 'funkydude' |
| 03:23.45 | Jamash | 552 in queue (KJ-US) |
| 03:24.18 | Jamash | been in queue an hour |
| 03:27.00 | Torhal | ~seen funkeh` |
| 03:27.00 | purl | funkeh` is currently on #wowhead (1h 20m 32s) #wowuidev (1h 20m 32s) #wowace (1h 20m 32s) #curseforge (1h 20m 32s), last said: 'Yes ace provided the generated table, but didn't create the variable'. |
| 03:27.03 | Torhal | Dark_Elf: |
| 03:27.06 | Torhal | ^ |
| 03:29.23 | Dark_Elf | thanks |
| 03:31.01 | Dark_Elf | having issues with 4 of his statblock addons they all have same err - attempt to index field \"obj\" (a nil value)" |
| 03:42.21 | Neffi | Somebody with MOP, please do the following and tell me the result: |
| 03:42.26 | Neffi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.45 | kd3 | 90 |
| 03:44.07 | Neffi | Oh nice |
| 03:44.14 | Neffi | It auto-updates to the correct value |
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| 03:56.17 | Torhal | yar |
| 03:56.32 | karl_w_w | transferring data from wowjs.zamimg.com |
| 03:56.42 | karl_w_w | seems to be the thing I read most these days |
| 03:57.23 | Torhal | Neffi: function ReputationWatchBar_UpdateMaxLevel() MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL = MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL_TABLE[GetExpansionLevel()]; end |
| 04:04.46 | starlon | dings. |
| 04:21.22 | Ressy | wowhead is just slow these days |
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| 04:43.18 | Neffi | Zam's networks are less than stellar. All the slowdowns I see on Wowhead always involve waiting on "zam*.com". |
| 04:43.58 | Mr_Rabies | most likely the ad server |
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| 04:46.31 | Neffi | Well they finally fixed the chat and dismounting in CRZ zones |
| 04:46.32 | Neffi | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7207170/Patch_505_Hotfixes_-9_25_2012 |
| 05:08.40 | starlon | and they buff fury back up. heh |
| 05:08.47 | starlon | already switched to arms. |
| 05:14.34 | Semlar | Players will now receive AOE credit for sinking both the Bladefist Reaper and Stygian Scar while in proximity of the ships being destroyed during the quest "Unleash Hell". |
| 05:14.37 | Semlar | heh |
| 05:15.18 | karl_w_w | they should have just made it an individual quest |
| 05:15.34 | Semlar | i don't know, this seemed pretty good http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/269/f/b/wowscrnshot_092512_025239_by_kemayo-d5fxplc.jpg |
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| 05:19.09 | xyphoid | i kind of assumed they were deliberately designed quests to gate people through at random for the first day or so |
| 05:19.33 | xyphoid | probably a bit tinfoil-hat of me though |
| 05:21.40 | Semlar | >_> |
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| 05:41.21 | Dagmar | Somehow I don't think ATSW really likes Pandaria much |
| 05:42.47 | karl_w_w | whozat? |
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| 05:43.11 | kd3 | I don't want to look at what arl has to say for me now, cooking wise |
| 05:43.23 | kd3 | other than lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of recipes for me to buy |
| 05:45.23 | Dagmar | ATSW just plan crashes the client when there's Pandaren recipes involed |
| 05:45.35 | Dagmar | er just plain crashes the client |
| 05:46.04 | kd3 | er, that's... not good. addons aren't supposed to be able to break the client |
| 05:46.44 | Semlar | there are a few api functions that will crash the client outright if you call them wrong |
| 05:48.46 | Torhal | Dagmar: In ATSW, look for "header" and add something along the lines of: or "subheader" |
| 05:48.57 | Torhal | That should help if not outright fix it. |
| 05:50.29 | Dagmar | I'll give that a shot. Let's se... |
| 05:51.43 | Mr_Rabies | everypanda should panda panda |
| 05:53.02 | Dagmar | Adding several 'or skillType=="subheader"' |
| 05:54.35 | Torhal | Dagmar: Yar |
| 05:54.53 | Torhal | Dagmar: I would have though that would be fixed on the WoWAce version... |
| 05:55.27 | Torhal | Oh, I'm thinking of Skillet |
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| 06:00.38 | Stanzilla | damn torhal |
| 06:00.49 | Torhal | What now? |
| 06:02.09 | Dagmar | Now to remove my typos *sigh* |
| 06:06.14 | Dagmar | Yeah that keeps ATSW from crashing, but it clearly can't tell what skill level the recipes are and acts a little weird |
| 06:07.11 | nevcairiel | sounds like you need a new addon |
| 06:07.24 | Dagmar | Yep. Skillet was mentioned so I just grabbed that |
| 06:07.27 | Semlar | perhaps one with a better acronym |
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| 06:31.48 | starlon | I haven't had any issues with ATSW leveling engineering. |
| 06:32.33 | Cairenn | ROFLMAO Someone at Trion has a sense of humour: http://www.riftgame.com/en/news/articles/09242012_save_a_panda.php |
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| 06:44.59 | Elkano | the small print... |
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| 07:06.59 | Adys | What word am I thinking about: an element or entity of any kind that facilitates the transport of a design or philosophical element |
| 07:07.35 | Adys | eg. in wow, quests are the main <...> for the backstory |
| 07:07.50 | mitch0 | iPhone |
| 07:07.58 | Adys | oh thanks |
| 07:08.02 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 07:08.27 | Adys | I was thinking of catalyst at first but it doesnt seem to apply |
| 07:08.39 | mitch0 | vehicle |
| 07:09.13 | Adys | vehicle is only usable in actual physical transport |
| 07:09.19 | mitch0 | not really |
| 07:09.27 | Adys | here I mean transport as in "carrying forward the idea" |
| 07:09.38 | mitch0 | an agent of transmission |
| 07:09.50 | Adys | hm, you could say agent I suppose |
| 07:09.51 | mitch0 | a medium through which something is expressed, achieved, or displayed <an investment vehicle>; especially : a work created especially to display the talents of a particular performer |
| 07:10.24 | Adys | i was thinking of a specific word though and I cant remember it =/ |
| 07:10.27 | mitch0 | instrument, machinery, means, medium, organ, agent |
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| 07:10.43 | Adys | ill use medium i think |
| 07:11.00 | mitch0 | tool, driver |
| 07:12.11 | Neffi | Anyone know free Windows software that I can use to concatenate multiple lossless (FLAC) files into one? |
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| 07:13.56 | Adys | Neffi: google around for ffmpeg windows gui |
| 07:24.24 | bluipodworkcow | Cliched wow Linux client wtb thread is cliched |
| 07:26.34 | Torhal | bluipodworkcow: Make sense, damn you. |
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| 07:27.11 | bluipodworkcow | Soz oh long haired rapid rabbit one |
| 07:27.19 | Torhal | o.O |
| 07:27.55 | bluipodworkcow | Reading yet another thread in general about why a Linux client for wow is easy for blizzard to do |
| 07:28.28 | bluipodworkcow | 'Cause the guys been paying them for 7 years and they have soooo much extra cash |
| 07:28.41 | Torhal | Ahahaha |
| 07:29.02 | bluipodworkcow | Same damn arguments. Different day |
| 07:29.50 | Neffi | Well it would be nice |
| 07:30.13 | Neffi | Of course they should argue for a *nix client, not a Linux client. Ain't that hard to write for BSDs and Linux at the same time. |
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| 07:33.28 | karl_w_w | dont you just love bugged quests |
| 07:34.30 | zenzio | not really |
| 07:34.46 | zenzio | which quest is giving you grief? |
| 07:35.09 | mitch0 | neffi: except BSDs don't really have working video drivers any more... |
| 07:35.41 | Neffi | FreeBSD's nvidia is pretty good, and Intel KMS/GEM just got ported and is in 9.1 (and will most likely be mature for 10) |
| 07:35.52 | Neffi | ATi isn't so great, but neither is it on Linux |
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| 07:36.27 | mitch0 | isn't so great == can't start up in the monitor's native resolution... |
| 07:36.34 | Canth | so another day, another cpl newbie questions from me... :) |
| 07:36.40 | Neffi | I still believe it's preferable to write for *nix, and not a single OS. That's the whole idea behind Unix compliance. |
| 07:37.21 | Canth | that can make porting easy, if you do posix |
| 07:37.26 | Canth | but still can be a pain |
| 07:37.59 | Canth | I have not so fond memories getting code written on sunos 4 to work on other systems |
| 07:38.00 | zenzio | so, in an average September, we get around 141 millimeters of rain here... in 12 hours yesterday we had 61 |
| 07:38.17 | zenzio | made me feel good about sitting inside playing Pandaria |
| 07:38.20 | karl_w_w | zenzio: http://www.wowhead.com/quest=30055 |
| 07:38.40 | karl_w_w | the thing popped up to complete the previous quest, and this one didnt |
| 07:39.06 | zenzio | hm |
| 07:39.10 | Canth | so my question, is it better to write frames from within the lua code, or by xml, or does it really matter? |
| 07:39.22 | zenzio | I'm fairly sure I had no trouble with that one; not that that rules out being bugged |
| 07:39.34 | zenzio | Canth: do whatever you're comfortable with |
| 07:39.49 | Canth | well im new at wow add ons |
| 07:39.50 | Neffi | XML should start up a little faster, but by a totally neglible amount. Lua gives you more control, and doesn't demand you pollute _G to get a lot of things working. |
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| 07:40.28 | Canth | It sorta reminds me of using xml layout in something like gwt |
| 07:40.33 | Neffi | When you get to doing proper namespacing and shit, Lua-coded frames can be preferable. |
| 07:40.43 | Canth | but no idea if the same problem sets are valid |
| 07:40.46 | Neffi | Some people are more comfortable with XML. I personally hate it. Choose whichever. |
| 07:40.53 | Canth | after all a wow add on is not a web page |
| 07:41.01 | Neffi | Not in the least |
| 07:41.44 | Canth | I think i'll stikc with trying lua, that way i will probably understand it better, tho i guess it might make it more messy |
| 07:43.37 | Neffi | All depends on how well you can factor code. |
| 07:43.50 | Neffi | Try both. You're still learning. Repeated work can give you some insight. |
| 07:46.23 | Semlar | i've used xml to make frame templates but generally i just do it in lua |
| 07:49.08 | Canth | and my second question, will wow crapout if I put a git repo in its Addons directory ? |
| 07:49.18 | Canth | Ie, something with a .git in it |
| 07:50.08 | zenzio | WoW shouldn't care as far as I know |
| 07:50.23 | zenzio | it just reads your .toc and whichever files you tell that to read |
| 07:50.35 | Canth | Ok |
| 07:50.41 | Neffi | I use a repo myself within the Interface folder |
| 07:50.44 | Neffi | WoW doesn't care |
| 07:50.58 | Canth | I'm probably weird, but I don't like doing any dev work w/o version control |
| 07:51.45 | zenzio | you're right, you're surely the only developer who likes this |
| 07:51.50 | zenzio | :-p |
| 07:52.06 | zenzio | I don't think I know many coders who like to not use version control |
| 07:52.57 | Canth | true |
| 07:53.11 | Canth | I used to vc my home directory |
| 07:54.19 | zenzio | then you took an arrow to the knee? |
| 07:54.40 | bluipodworkcow | LOL |
| 07:55.02 | Canth | no. gnome started getting a bit confused |
| 07:55.37 | Neffi | I think Gnome is a bit confused by default |
| 07:55.49 | Canth | it used to be awesome |
| 07:56.59 | bluipodworkcow | Studying others addons to see their coding style may help to |
| 07:57.20 | zenzio | but also painful |
| 07:57.23 | zenzio | (can be) |
| 07:57.51 | Neffi | That's why I like people like Tekkub. His code is small and easy to read. Great introduction if you're trying to figure things out. |
| 08:00.55 | Industrial | ashenvale sucks |
| 08:00.57 | Torhal | Easy to read if you like having all your shit on one line just to say "I did this in X lines of code..." |
| 08:00.58 | Industrial | where do i go instead |
| 08:01.13 | Torhal | :D |
| 08:01.51 | Humbedooh | Torhal is being mean ;\ |
| 08:01.59 | Humbedooh | you meanie you |
| 08:02.11 | Torhal | I'm awake at 3am due to tooth pain. Yes, I'm being mean. |
| 08:02.34 | Industrial | smoke weed, go sleep :P |
| 08:02.49 | Torhal | I wouldn't even know where to begin to find it. |
| 08:02.49 | Humbedooh | or get some ibuprofen |
| 08:02.55 | bluipodworkcow | Tekkub is a fan of code that does one thing in the most efficient way possible |
| 08:03.03 | Industrial | I am too! ^ |
| 08:03.03 | Torhal | Took four a few hours ago. Not good to take many. |
| 08:03.07 | bluipodworkcow | Not like cartographers code |
| 08:03.14 | Industrial | options, meh! |
| 08:03.17 | Industrial | just do it. |
| 08:03.23 | Humbedooh | Torhal: well, depends on the dosage of course ;> |
| 08:04.42 | bluipodworkcow | What you has done on your teeth Torhal ? |
| 08:05.08 | Humbedooh | he wrote tiny Lua scripts on them |
| 08:05.25 | Torhal | bluipodworkcow: Humbedooh wrote a drill in Lua and tested it on my teeth. |
| 08:05.33 | Humbedooh | that'll work |
| 08:06.27 | bluipodworkcow | You attempted polymorphic self referencing redundant OOE code via lua and XML on them didn't you? |
| 08:07.24 | bluipodworkcow | Br b |
| 08:08.26 | Humbedooh | Torhal: help me write my Lua speech then..! |
| 08:08.43 | Humbedooh | still need to do 12 moar slides :| |
| 08:10.58 | Neffi | You're doing a speech on Lua? |
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| 08:13.53 | Humbedooh | yup, at ApacheCon Europe |
| 08:14.11 | Humbedooh | trying to get people to ditch php, perl, python etc and use Lua instead :) |
| 08:15.03 | starlon | Friend of my posted this on FB: Random coding humour from the web.. Programming is like sex - |
| 08:15.06 | starlon | One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life. |
| 08:15.28 | Humbedooh | writes condom.lua for starlon |
| 08:15.38 | starlon | :/ |
| 08:16.00 | zenzio | that's actually a famous quote I think; believe it was the Commodore guy |
| 08:16.05 | mitch0 | Humbedooh: good luck with that (getting folks off the php bandwagon) |
| 08:16.39 | Humbedooh | at least where speed is a concern, they should jump off it :3 |
| 08:17.05 | karl_w_w | "For help with the new macro UI type /macrohelp" how long has that been part of the return from /help |
| 08:18.01 | mitch0 | Humbedooh: will the slides be available somewhere? |
| 08:18.16 | Humbedooh | mitch0: yeah, as soon as I'm done making them :) |
| 08:18.30 | mitch0 | drop me a privmsg then, please ;) |
| 08:18.36 | Humbedooh | I think it's a requirement that people have the slides before the conference |
| 08:18.43 | Humbedooh | will do |
| 08:19.34 | karl_w_w | 3 day ticket queue |
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| 08:25.06 | bluipodworkcow | Be funny if /macrohelp just brings up cogwheels guide in a frame :P |
| 08:25.31 | karl_w_w | there should be an addon that does that |
| 08:26.07 | Canth | Engravings? |
| 08:26.36 | karl_w_w | waiting for wowjs.zamimg.com |
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| 08:29.50 | zenzio | it actually wouldn't be a very bad idea to do that... make an addon that latches onto the macro frame |
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| 08:32.21 | Canth | I'd much rather deal with perl than lua :P |
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| 08:33.34 | zenzio | how come? |
| 08:34.27 | Neffi | Spend more time dealing with Lua |
| 08:34.46 | Neffi | The strength of its more subtle aspects are not immediately obvious |
| 08:34.47 | Canth | well, in truth, I'd rather deal with java or javascript than lua or perl. Mainly cuz that's what I deal with the most. Keeping multiple languages straight in the brain can be a pain |
| 08:35.04 | karl_w_w | fuck me wowhead is really pissing me off |
| 08:35.33 | Neffi | IMO Lua could be really fucking popular if it had the wealth of 3rd party libraries that other languages have |
| 08:36.08 | Canth | It drives me batty when I switch context but still keep typing in the previous context |
| 08:36.14 | zenzio | karl_w_w: I was going to be witty and say "there's always Thottbot", but apparently they just go to wowhead now |
| 08:36.19 | Canth | Mixing LUA into JS is not fun |
| 08:36.31 | Canth | or, C into JS |
| 08:36.56 | Neffi | Yeah for a while I was writing C++ like it was C, until my professor asked me why I was using the "legacy style of X". |
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| 08:37.18 | Neffi | I didn't get what he meant until he pointed out that C++ does a lot of what I was doing manually for me |
| 08:39.03 | Canth | Try sticking a closure into a non closure language |
| 08:39.16 | Canth | And then wonder what the hell just happened |
| 08:39.34 | Canth | Its also spoiled me, kinda miss having a maven archetype |
| 08:39.35 | zenzio | I generally like C++, but its lambda syntax makes me want to cry |
| 08:40.16 | Neffi | One day I will write a parser that instead of throwing conventional errors in that situation, will say something like "WRONG HOLE" |
| 08:40.35 | Neffi | And I will patch my compiler to use it by default |
| 08:43.54 | Humbedooh | cringes at the sight of the word "maven" :p |
| 08:45.06 | Canth | It took me years, but eventually i embraced it |
| 08:45.23 | Canth | every so often I wonder why make wasn't enough |
| 08:46.25 | Canth | Didn't realize Sam Latinga worked on wow |
| 08:46.58 | Canth | Lantinga |
| 08:51.38 | Canth | well night all, thanks for the help |
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| 08:52.14 | Esamynn | ... Sam Lantinga is the father of wow addons |
| 08:52.26 | Esamynn | damn, he left |
| 08:59.36 | karl_w_w | death to lag is the worst |
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| 09:14.30 | bluipodcow | Oh lord this limux thread is lolz |
| 09:14.56 | bluipodcow | Apparently all mac users actually use WINE to run wow |
| 09:15.16 | bluipodcow | No native mav client apparently |
| 09:15.22 | bluipodcow | Lololololololol |
| 09:16.42 | karl_w_w | yeah didnt you know that bluipodcow? |
| 09:17.00 | bluipodcow | Lol |
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| 09:22.45 | leizeQ | hm, i am running WoW natively |
| 09:22.49 | leizeQ | on my iMac |
| 09:23.34 | bluipodcow | Oh noes |
| 09:23.43 | bluipodcow | You hacker you :P |
| 09:24.01 | Kodiack | http://i.imgur.com/f24uh.jpg |
| 09:24.02 | bluipodcow | Did you hack the Gibson to get it working :P |
| 09:24.15 | Kodiack | Anyone know which addon plops that Hatred bar there? It blocked the meditate button I needed for the fight..... |
| 09:25.35 | bluipodcow | Haze of haze ? |
| 09:25.44 | bluipodcow | Giggle snort |
| 09:26.00 | bluipodcow | Is it your api Lodi ? |
| 09:26.10 | bluipodcow | >:( |
| 09:26.13 | bluipodcow | Kodi |
| 09:26.21 | bluipodcow | Silly autocorrect |
| 09:26.49 | Kodiack | Actually, looks like it's part of the default interface, so it's SpartanUI's fault. |
| 09:27.11 | Kodiack | I'm glad the new guy has taken it upon himself to update it, but...he still has quite a bit of work to do L:P |
| 09:27.36 | bluipodcow | Try the /framestack command |
| 09:27.41 | karl_w_w | oh look |
| 09:27.51 | bluipodcow | And hope the frame is named logically |
| 09:27.55 | karl_w_w | panda dude says "we are the watchers on the wall" |
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| 09:28.07 | bluipodcow | And not "frame1" |
| 09:28.36 | bluipodcow | Or even worse |
| 09:28.53 | bluipodcow | "Ohhaikodiack umad" |
| 09:29.18 | Kodiack | lol |
| 09:29.39 | Kodiack | I'm done with the fight now, but I bet the bar and the button have the same level. :\ |
| 09:29.48 | Kodiack | Blizzard probably didn't expect addons to put them on top of each other, haha. |
| 09:31.10 | bluipodcow | Frame stack will give you a list of everything under the cursor regardless of level AFAIK |
| 09:31.19 | Kodiack | Yeah, it does. |
| 09:33.24 | karl_w_w | it'll even list frames that are hidden |
| 09:33.32 | Kodiack | :o |
| 09:33.41 | bluipodcow | it'll give you frame names |
| 09:33.54 | bluipodcow | To thin down which addons it is |
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| 09:34.12 | bluipodcow | But it depends on the author giving it a logical name |
| 09:34.25 | Neffi | bluipodcow: Link to said thread? |
| 09:34.39 | bluipodcow | Otherwise you'll need to do a text search of all files in the addons folder |
| 09:35.03 | bluipodcow | Neffi I'm on my iPod and I'm reading it on the computer here |
| 09:35.14 | bluipodcow | Us general forums |
| 09:35.19 | Neffi | Front page? |
| 09:35.24 | Kodiack | Also, Blu, they are both part of the default UI. |
| 09:35.27 | karl_w_w | i like the frames that are just called table: xxxxxxxx |
| 09:35.35 | Kodiack | SUI's just plopped the bar on top of the button. :P |
| 09:35.41 | bluipodcow | Thread # 6679198919 |
| 09:36.10 | bluipodcow | Just pick up an existing thread and change thread number to that |
| 09:36.14 | Neffi | doesn't name any of his frames, and karl_w_w just made him feel a little guilty about that. |
| 09:36.46 | karl_w_w | i do name all my frames, but if it's any consolation i didnt think about how useful that is until now |
| 09:36.52 | karl_w_w | i just do it out of habit |
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| 09:37.21 | Neffi | the way I see it, I know my player frame is at nfUnitFrames.units.player |
| 09:37.35 | Neffi | Why throw everything in _G in addition to my namespace? |
| 09:43.09 | Neffi | "08/05/2005". I don't know if it's depressing that I've been playing WoW for 7 years. |
| 09:43.35 | Gnarfoz | I find it more depressing that that string is an ambiguous expression for a date |
| 09:43.36 | Neffi | Can't help but think where I'd be if I spent the time purely on coding |
| 09:43.47 | Gnarfoz | also, install LifePercent, log through all characters, and weep! :D |
| 09:43.54 | mitch0 | Gnarfoz: +1 |
| 09:44.00 | Neffi | 05 August 2012 =/ |
| 09:44.12 | Neffi | 2005* |
| 09:44.18 | Gnarfoz | LifePercent is such a cruel addon :D |
| 09:44.26 | Gnarfoz | 11:41:57|You have spent 5.5% (20.2% since release) of your life in-game, divided among 26 character(s) on 8 realm(s). |
| 09:44.56 | Neffi | Most characters before late BC have been deleted. Maybe I'll undelete the major ones soon. |
| 09:45.23 | Gnarfoz | I wouldn't necessarily count on them being restoreable anymore ;o |
| 09:45.30 | Neffi | yeah probably not |
| 09:45.34 | Gnarfoz | PIZZA TIME! |
| 09:55.19 | karl_w_w | <Neffi> 05 August 2012 =/ <- but the date/month/year in ascending order of size |
| 09:55.38 | Neffi | what? |
| 09:57.51 | karl_w_w | ie. 08/05/2012 = 8th May 2012 |
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| 10:04.31 | Neffi | That's not how it's formatted in enUS, where I am |
| 10:07.37 | bluipodcow | Karl be an Ozzie I tinks |
| 10:12.43 | karl_w_w | s/an/in/ |
| 10:13.33 | Neffi | bluipodcow: Wow, it's surprising how little people who are being vocal about Linux actually know about Linux |
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| 10:14.08 | Neffi | One guy even says Linux doesnt have a standard, it's just a collection of independent OSes |
| 10:15.26 | Gnarfoz | any easy way to macro level 90 skills? i.e. both Execution Sentence and Light's HAmmer in the same macro, using whatever I currently have? |
| 10:17.07 | Semlar | based on your spec? |
| 10:23.01 | Semlar | i know you can do like /cast [spec:1] spell1;spell2 but i don't know if you can actually detect that you know a spell or not |
| 10:27.31 | Kodiack | Haha, it's crazy how much TidyPlates can lower framerate when there's a lot of mobs around. Noticed a heavy framerate dip so I disabled vsync and found that it's bringing me from 75 FPS down to 35 FPS. |
| 10:29.20 | Neffi | Lord |
| 10:29.28 | Semlar | yeah the way nameplates are detected is pretty terrible |
| 10:29.47 | Neffi | It's scary to think that any addon feels like they can waste resources |
| 10:30.04 | Neffi | And detecting nameplates isn't all that hard if you think about the problem a little bit |
| 10:30.19 | Semlar | it may not be complicated but it's fairly intensive |
| 10:30.28 | Kodiack | Semlar: When you say that, is that a universal issue with addons (i.e. related to Blizzard) or is it just TP's algorithm? |
| 10:30.38 | Neffi | I've got some drycode on paper for resolving all nameplates to GUID and unit mappings, and the whole should not impede framerates *at all* |
| 10:31.01 | Semlar | kodiack, in order to detect a nameplate the addon has to loop through every frame on the screen |
| 10:31.16 | Neffi | Kodiack: Well from the development I've done so far, although Blizz's implementation is not ideal for addons, it's definitely *not* a universal problem. |
| 10:31.33 | Kodiack | Heh, decided to disable TidyPlates for further testing. |
| 10:31.33 | Neffi | The same functionality and more can be done without any noticeable drop in framerates |
| 10:31.47 | Kodiack | I actually saw a net gain to performance, even with nameplates disabled. Up to 90 FPS from 75 FPS. |
| 10:32.04 | Semlar | what method do you propose neffi |
| 10:32.07 | Kodiack | The default nameplates drop that 90 FPS to 75 FPS, which is still higher than TidyPlates was before. |
| 10:32.15 | Neffi | You'll see it when it's in code |
| 10:32.22 | Neffi | But it's not like the detection alone is intensive |
| 10:32.57 | Kodiack | http://i.imgur.com/svHcc.jpg |
| 10:33.16 | Kodiack | That's the area I'm using, FWIW. Definitely not a normal scenario, but very good for theoretical purposes |
| 10:33.16 | Neffi | How my code works, and others, is that we actually iterate like every .2 sec. The trick is to (1) keep a pointer to the frame or otherwise use a system that doesn't need to iterate over the same frame twice and (2) store the last index checked in an upvalue, so next iteration only has to go through *new* nameplates |
| 10:33.21 | Semlar | well, if i recall correctly what it did was onupdate check how many children of uiparent there were and if it had changed looped through every one of them and tried to detect if it were a nameplate |
| 10:33.29 | Neffi | Most of the actual detection uses 0 CPU except when many new units spawn |
| 10:33.33 | Neffi | And even then it's fast |
| 10:34.05 | Kodiack | Hmm, sounds like TidyPlates is a bit hungry then. Any good alternatives? |
| 10:34.21 | Semlar | i don't see how any other nameplate addons would be any better |
| 10:34.25 | Neffi | Kodiack: I've stress tested my current nameplate addon through about twice that and had no issue. I'm even using an OnUpdate to clear and re-anchor each individual container *every onupdate* to get pixel-perfect rendering. No framerate dip. |
| 10:34.30 | Neffi | TP must just be doing it wrong |
| 10:34.50 | Neffi | WorldFrame, not UIParent |
| 10:34.59 | Semlar | whatever |
| 10:35.02 | Semlar | it could be throwing errors that he doesn't know about |
| 10:35.18 | Semlar | is it up to date? |
| 10:35.40 | Kodiack | Yes. |
| 10:35.53 | Kodiack | TidyPlates has had a few issues, though, especially since 5.0 |
| 10:36.05 | Semlar | i suppose trying to get information about the units could be doing it |
| 10:36.14 | Kodiack | For example, the frame stack wasn't set right and the plates showed up in front of interface objects |
| 10:36.30 | Kodiack | Semlar, you're probably right there, actually. |
| 10:36.58 | Semlar | i doubt just detecting them would cause a real frame rate loss |
| 10:37.26 | Neffi | Semlar: My current implementation, no GUID/unit mapping yet: http://pastebin.com/LLBEU48x |
| 10:37.44 | Kodiack | It doesn't seem like it would. That would - as far as I know - just require showing different frames basically, no? Mind you, my interface experience is *extremely* limited. |
| 10:37.51 | Kodiack | (aka i'm a n00b( |
| 10:38.04 | Kodiack | can't even end parentheses correctly. |: |
| 10:39.10 | Neffi | No, showing is handled by Blizzard. You just have to constantly scan the WorldFrame to see if any new nameplates exist. |
| 10:39.37 | Semlar | yeah it's a little involved, but once they're on screen that's about it |
| 10:40.08 | Semlar | when the plate moves off the screen it's basically destroyed and a new one is created when it moves back |
| 10:40.18 | Neffi | Nope |
| 10:40.22 | Neffi | It's just hidden |
| 10:40.35 | Semlar | in my experience the frame was not the same |
| 10:40.50 | Neffi | Nameplates are never destroyed. In fact, when you reload, the ones form the previous session still exist, and C-side ends up creating new ones and ignoring those |
| 10:41.12 | Semlar | i think it recycles them but they aren't necessarily tied to the same unit |
| 10:41.19 | Neffi | The properties may not be the same, but compare the userdata values at frame[0]. They should be the same. |
| 10:41.38 | Neffi | Possible. They're not tied to the same number. Unit is arbitrary. |
| 10:44.02 | Semlar | i never did anything too serious with it, i believe i was trying to augment my addon that was detecting what i was in combat with and information about them but they weren't going to provide anything i didn't already have |
| 10:44.37 | Semlar | because by the time you could tie the nameplate to a unit i would already be able to get all the information i needed |
| 10:46.12 | Semlar | koadiack does that say your addons are using 40mb of memory |
| 10:46.35 | Kodiack | Yes. |
| 10:46.45 | Semlar | is that mostly the interface? |
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| 10:48.13 | Kodiack | Uh...not sure. This Titan Panel performance addon doesn't show individual addons' memory usage anymore. |
| 10:48.35 | Semlar | ah well it doesn't really matter, i was just curious |
| 10:48.57 | Kodiack | It used to sit around 100-150 MB when I used Auctioneer... :P |
| 10:49.05 | Semlar | that's a lot of data |
| 10:49.08 | Kodiack | Indeed! |
| 10:49.59 | Kodiack | I've since switched over to Auctionator and the mobile WoW Armory app, though. I rarely used the additional features in Auctioneer outside of the resell module. |
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| 10:52.52 | Semlar | now is the time to make boatloads of gold if you're into that sort of thing |
| 10:53.08 | Kodiack | That it is. :) |
| 10:53.39 | Kodiack | Of course, I'm sure our definitions of "boatloads" vary. Ten thousand gold or so is quite a bit to me...heh. |
| 10:53.57 | Neffi | I'm concerned that carrying around a few hundred thousand gold coins is going to weigh my rogue down. All that change is not just heavy, but clanky. Not very ninja. |
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| 10:54.36 | Semlar | jingle jingle |
| 10:54.46 | Semlar | what was that |
| 10:55.42 | Adys | http://addsanddishes.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/imma-eat-so-many-crumpets-itll-be.html |
| 10:55.47 | Adys | if anyone wants to give it a read |
| 10:56.05 | Neffi | "So I killed this rogue the other day. Idiot was making a racket trying to sneak up on me. Anyway I checked his pockets and it was the strangest thing. He had so many gold coins! By the time I finished emptying them, I had a pile 20 times the size of him! What magic this?" |
| 10:57.44 | Semlar | i've got a black hole in my pocket |
| 10:58.44 | Kodiack | Seriously, people are buying Emperor Salmon for just under 200g a piece. That's close to 4000g for a stack that takes just a few minutes to fish up! |
| 10:59.00 | Semlar | strike while the iron's hot |
| 10:59.49 | Semlar | soon there will be more competition and the prices will go down |
| 10:59.56 | James__ | I've been making thousands of gold by just buying ghost iron ores off AH and making the bars out of them |
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| 11:05.08 | Semlar | ^_^ |
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| 11:07.22 | Vladinator | Figured your map problem, Semlar? :D |
| 11:07.29 | Semlar | >_> |
| 11:07.48 | Semlar | i'm working on it |
| 11:10.50 | Vladinator | ah, I just assumed the happy face was you figured something out .:P |
| 11:13.57 | Semlar | when the map is changed to a new one i need to do a series of comparisons to decide what action to take and i need to get the order correct |
| 11:14.02 | Semlar | that's what i'm working on right now |
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| 11:20.21 | Semlar | then i need to tackle the POIs |
| 11:22.11 | Semlar | i really want to just pull them off the real map but that's going to be too difficult to do without tainting the interface |
| 11:32.36 | Semlar | like most of life's problems, this one can be solved with bending |
| 11:32.53 | karl_w_w | 2400 login queue :( |
| 11:36.03 | karl_w_w | chance that this wowhead page will load before i get into wow: not good |
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| 11:48.33 | karl_w_w | interesting, wow wont run if i try to directly run wow.exe |
| 11:50.20 | Semlar | is it launching the process? |
| 11:50.47 | karl_w_w | wow.exe appears in task manager |
| 11:50.50 | karl_w_w | that's it |
| 11:50.57 | karl_w_w | using less than 4mb or ram |
| 11:51.04 | karl_w_w | of* |
| 11:51.27 | Semlar | is it in use by anything? i know wow won't start if i have an mpq file open or something |
| 11:51.35 | karl_w_w | nah |
| 11:52.49 | Semlar | interesting |
| 11:58.23 | karl_w_w | what's more interesting is that wowhead won't let me cache javascript |
| 12:06.17 | karl_w_w | nice, my position in queue just went from 1340 to 1341 |
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| 12:06.57 | karl_w_w | everything is conspiring against me |
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| 12:07.56 | Amarande | how does that happen anyway? |
| 12:08.16 | Amarande | I'm starting to wonder if there actually is some sort of thing that gives you queue priority, like buying the CE or having been to enough BlizzCons or something |
| 12:08.37 | Amarande | thankfully I'm on a medium server, heh |
| 12:17.22 | Adys | google needs to add is <foo> prime |
| 12:17.28 | Adys | tired of loading wa for this |
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| 12:28.43 | mitch0 | moo |
| 12:30.35 | Lopeppeppy | baaa |
| 12:34.51 | Gnarfoz | is there a way to hide enemy PLAYER name plates, but show NPC ones? TidyPlates can do the other way around, but I'm getting sick of accidentally murdering horde :D |
| 12:35.44 | zenzio | http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/25/us/texas-hiccups-shooting/index.html - sounds like a great idea |
| 12:35.50 | alestane | Sheeple issues, Lopeppeppy? |
| 12:36.06 | alestane | Ah, no, just mitch0 issues. |
| 12:36.47 | stuf_ | zenzio: best article so far today |
| 12:38.44 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple are always issues, but you're right, it was for mitch0. |
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| 13:02.24 | Vladinator | he did cure him though, zenzio |
| 13:02.36 | Vladinator | cured him from the human condition even |
| 13:06.26 | karl_w_w | man this dvd's protection is good |
| 13:06.38 | Vladinator | lol? :3 |
| 13:07.29 | karl_w_w | i've tried dvd decrypter and dvdfab passkey and neither will rip it :P |
| 13:13.09 | sidji | anydvd? |
| 13:16.20 | karl_w_w | no, just 1 dvd in particular :D |
| 13:18.35 | alestane | Or was he recommending a program called "AnyDVD"? |
| 13:18.54 | sidji | anydvd from slysoft |
| 13:20.37 | karl_w_w | i know i know, but i dont have it and i can't download anything until friday :P |
| 13:21.00 | Sintacks | morning |
| 13:21.08 | karl_w_w | mourning |
| 13:24.09 | Sintacks | i still can't believe i pulled off Realm first rogue |
| 13:24.25 | karl_w_w | your realm must be DEAD |
| 13:24.25 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 13:24.33 | Sintacks | mostly |
| 13:24.39 | Sintacks | but i wasn't unoposed |
| 13:24.49 | Sintacks | there was another serious rogue going after it |
| 13:24.53 | Sintacks | i beat him by 4 bars |
| 13:25.09 | karl_w_w | how much planning went into it? |
| 13:25.23 | Sintacks | very very little. lol |
| 13:25.34 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 13:25.36 | Neffii | How much junk food went into you? |
| 13:25.54 | karl_w_w | s/junk food/caffeine/ |
| 13:25.57 | Sintacks | the only planing the group of us did was dungeon runs to skip the first place because it sucks and has too many bottle necks |
| 13:26.46 | Sintacks | i didn' thave any food for the whole 17 hours |
| 13:26.56 | Sintacks | and didn't even finish a 1liter of coke |
| 13:27.00 | karl_w_w | damn |
| 13:27.08 | karl_w_w | and you didn't die? |
| 13:27.09 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 13:27.15 | Sintacks | lol no |
| 13:27.27 | Sintacks | and, the only reason i didn't eat anything is cuz i didn't have anything to eat :( |
| 13:27.45 | sidji | .oO(if you got each realm first achievement your realm is dead...) |
| 13:27.52 | Sintacks | the only thing i could have had was ramena nd that would have taken too much time |
| 13:27.58 | Sintacks | lol sidji. |
| 13:28.36 | Sintacks | my guild got 5. horde guild got 4. i don't know about the other two |
| 13:28.44 | Sintacks | and yes, our realm is mostly dead :( |
| 13:28.48 | mitch0 | what's the earliest level when one can try the pet battles? |
| 13:29.09 | karl_w_w | pretty low |
| 13:29.17 | sidji | ~10 |
| 13:29.17 | purl | There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
| 13:29.20 | mitch0 | can be done with trial acc? |
| 13:29.22 | karl_w_w | I have no idea, but I'd put my money on level 10 |
| 13:29.38 | Sintacks | ^ |
| 13:29.51 | mitch0 | doesn't work with pre-mop account, right? |
| 13:30.27 | Sintacks | i'm not sure, but i can find out. my brother doesn't have mists yet |
| 13:31.00 | karl_w_w | woo dvdfab passkey got through on the second attempt |
| 13:31.20 | Neffii | Don't have mists yet, but I have the icon in my spellbook saying pet battle training is available |
| 13:31.33 | karl_w_w | the first time it told me "0!=32" |
| 13:31.33 | Sintacks | that's been there since 5.0 |
| 13:31.36 | karl_w_w | interestingly |
| 13:31.50 | Sintacks | and Cata had the same kind of thing for old world flying before cata went live |
| 13:32.22 | Ressy | They hotfixed it so you could do pet battle quests without mists |
| 13:32.31 | mitch0 | good |
| 13:53.15 | Adys | anyone knows a good laptop reseller that can ship to athens, greece? |
| 13:54.45 | karl_w_w | if you believe the news, nobody in greece can afford a laptop, so it doesn't matter :P |
| 14:01.46 | mitch0 | and the laptop wouldn't arrive there anyway |
| 14:02.54 | mitch0 | also, y no razor-qt? |
| 14:12.04 | Adys | mitch0: petr hasnt been online for a couple days |
| 14:12.07 | Adys | hes the one releasing it |
| 14:13.01 | Adys | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/razor-qt/-XqYLEfe790 |
| 14:13.03 | Adys | there |
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| 14:39.32 | Vladinator | a lot of posts of no mop maps for carbonite ;D |
| 14:39.58 | Arrowmaster | thought it was abandoned |
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| 14:41.10 | Vladinator | I assumed the shitstorm had passed about it being outdated the last weeks, but still keeps going :P |
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| 14:42.48 | Dark_Elf | those trolls will never quit trolling |
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| 14:45.49 | Dark_Elf | instead of trolling they should be putting the stuff in the bug reports section |
| 14:49.24 | Vladinator | isn't it like making curse tickets? :P |
| 14:49.58 | Dark_Elf | well the ticket system is better |
| 14:50.54 | Vladinator | thanks for lending, Humbedooh, repaid you back now :P |
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| 14:55.50 | F16Gaming | Dark_Elf: carbonite is more or less abandoned i think |
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| 14:56.02 | Neffi | So one of our reps from NY got "terrorized" and "attacked". What happened exactly? Somebody broke into his office and... installed Linux on his computer. |
| 14:56.04 | Neffi | http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Attack_at_Grimm_s_campaign_HQ.html |
| 14:56.16 | Dark_Elf | i wouldnt call it abandoned since it had a bandaid fix |
| 14:56.19 | Neffi | It's not often a news report makes me grin so much |
| 14:56.42 | F16Gaming | Dark_Elf: yeah, so they aren't *really* working on it. just keeping it barely alive :/ |
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| 14:57.55 | Dark_Elf | well i guess when the trolls grow up and have to work in real life they will learn that work takes time away from the game |
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| 14:58.27 | F16Gaming | Dark_Elf: true, but the carbonite devs could still have acted better towards the guy who made a fix for them. imo anyway |
| 14:58.47 | Dark_Elf | why he broke copyright making the fan update |
| 14:59.04 | Dark_Elf | the devs owe him nothing |
| 14:59.29 | F16Gaming | they don't, but they ruined their public image by acting like this. and while they have all right to do what they have done, i still wouldn't have done it if i were them |
| 15:00.02 | Dark_Elf | and the fact he keeps updating on a site outside of wowinterface is annoying too |
| 15:00.10 | F16Gaming | he does? |
| 15:00.13 | F16Gaming | didn't know that |
| 15:00.21 | Dark_Elf | yes its still being updated |
| 15:00.24 | F16Gaming | i thought he took it all down after the devs responded |
| 15:00.24 | Neffi | We're talking about the same devs that put more work into obfuscating their code than actually developing it |
| 15:00.31 | F16Gaming | ^ |
| 15:00.55 | Neffi | Hell they are the reason Blizz instituted the addon policy |
| 15:01.04 | F16Gaming | Dark_Elf: he started a new addon (from scratch, at least according to him) if that's what you're referring to |
| 15:01.04 | Unkle | Just because someone is a dick doesn't justify stealing their work. FFS. |
| 15:01.26 | Neffi | Fan update != stealing |
| 15:01.28 | Dark_Elf | no hes still updating the fan update cause he cant figure out how to do one from scratch |
| 15:01.47 | Vladinator | remember that in the past it was a huge thing and they wanted to have exclusive rights, they don't write the addon like we see it, I am sure it's separated into different lua files and that they run a build script to compile them into one file and obfuscate for them ;) |
| 15:01.52 | Neffi | This whole concept that it breaks copyright law therefore it's of the same caliber as theft needs to stop |
| 15:02.04 | Vladinator | now it's more an annoyance for those fans that wanna do fan updates :P |
| 15:02.34 | F16Gaming | Vladinator: would anyone develop their code obfuscated from scratch? :P |
| 15:02.54 | Vladinator | did they? oh, can't be that hard is it? not if you know math well :P |
| 15:03.20 | Neffi | He didnt really need to know math well. IIRC it was just BASE64 |
| 15:03.45 | Neffi | And he ran it through a parser to randomize all keywords, then strip all whitespace |
| 15:03.54 | F16Gaming | i wonder if there's anything in the policy about obfuscating stuff sent in-game |
| 15:04.02 | Torhal | Base64 doesn't rename "target_health" to "a" |
| 15:04.05 | F16Gaming | since carb communicated via encrypted messages |
| 15:04.25 | F16Gaming | even if it's for efficienccy |
| 15:04.29 | Neffi | Torhal: There's tons of code obfuscaters out there. See above. Just a stupidly simple parser. |
| 15:04.30 | Vladinator | it's a two step process, first rename variables then obfuscate, now it's limited to the first part since it's a blizzard policy :p |
| 15:04.54 | F16Gaming | i remember looking at the code for the Peggle addon |
| 15:04.58 | Neffi | Well obfuscation doesnt just mean encryption |
| 15:05.03 | Vladinator | communication is different, you have a limit and you wish to compress as much as you can. |
| 15:05.08 | F16Gaming | just one big table composed of encrypted strings |
| 15:05.29 | F16Gaming | "Error: function has more than 200 locals" |
| 15:06.00 | Neffi | moar closures |
| 15:06.26 | F16Gaming | Vladinator: yeah, i was just wondering whether the policy "no obfuscating" also covers in-game communication |
| 15:06.38 | Vladinator | I think it's specific to addon code |
| 15:06.48 | Neffi | Actually I recall something about encryption in chat channels being a no-no |
| 15:07.05 | Neffi | But obviously compression is necessary and it's not enforced if it technically applies |
| 15:07.15 | Vladinator | the point is so anyone with programming skill can read the source and see what it does basically :p without having to decrypt/reverse engineer the source first ^^ |
| 15:07.34 | Vladinator | better to compress and send few messages than to send a lot of plain text messages :D |
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| 15:09.27 | Vladinator | vox statue of steve jobs, someone jokingly asked in the comment section if there was going to be a lawsuit. |
| 15:11.15 | karl_w_w | fucking combat log is so buggy |
| 15:11.47 | Dark_Elf | gosh those monkeys in pandaran starter area are mean lol |
| 15:12.46 | Unkle | The Peggle addon was blessed by Blizzard, and they used LuaSrcDiet to compact code and something else to obfuscate level data so you couldn't just read the levels and beat peggle. But back before the Addon Dev Policy there were only a few guys really obfuscating code - mostly guys in the hardcore, for profit business. |
| 15:17.06 | Dark_Elf | saw alot of ream first level 90s last night |
| 15:17.23 | F16Gaming | a druid in my guild was like 2mins away from realm first zen master herbing :P |
| 15:17.51 | F16Gaming | if he hadn't spent an hour questing with us... |
| 15:18.02 | Vladinator | I saw horde guild on my realm that hogged many of the 90 once, I think they farmed aoe mobs as a guild :P |
| 15:18.38 | Unkle | I tried for Realm first with Cataclysm. Decided it wasn't worth the pain this time around. Stated working on my Pandaren Monk right away though. |
| 15:18.57 | Vladinator | any realm first is just a epeen thing no one cares about really :P |
| 15:19.16 | Vladinator | anyway most accociated with cheating anyway, considering most guild boost eachother for them and such :P |
| 15:20.22 | Unkle | Nice blanket assertion and association of effort with negative qualities. |
| 15:20.44 | zenzelezz | seeing login queues brings back so many memories |
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| 15:27.24 | Vladinator | is it true that http://www.wowhead.com/item=89685 equals a 90 heroic weapon? |
| 15:28.21 | Vladinator | curious because it requires 85 :P |
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| 15:39.12 | amro | holy shit is anyone watching this? ahmadinejad talking about the second coming of Jesus at the UNGA |
| 15:39.32 | karl_w_w | armored dinner jacket? |
| 15:40.04 | Neffi | Vladinator: With the changes, who would use that besides cats/bears? |
| 15:40.41 | Vladinator | isn't it OP if a druid can use a 90 heroic item from 85 to 90? :P hehe |
| 15:41.17 | Unkle | amro That guy is so far off his rocker it's a wonder ANYONE ever listened to him at all. |
| 15:41.24 | Maldivia | Neffi: because it's base dps is 50% higher than the best alternative for a level 85? |
| 15:41.24 | Neffi | Jesus already came a 2nd time. He decided declaring himself would mean either government detainment and examination, or commitment to a mental facility. |
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| 15:41.45 | Neffi | Maldivia, I'm more curious about why they chose those stats |
| 15:42.09 | Unkle | We would have come a third time, but he skipped the oysters at lunch. |
| 15:42.29 | Neffi | Who says he ain't already here? |
| 15:42.36 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 15:42.38 | Mr_Rabies | login servers are down |
| 15:43.19 | Neffi | amro: link to this? |
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| 15:43.44 | amro | I'm watching on TV aljazeera should be streaming online though |
| 15:43.55 | amro | but his speech is over |
| 15:44.22 | amro | it wasn't so bad for a while then he stopped making sense |
| 15:44.50 | amro | but he did bring about the issue of the UN being useless and all |
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| 15:48.50 | Unkle | Never forget - this guy's path to power was to be a student radical that gathered up a group of like-minded nutters and held Americans hostage for over a year. |
| 15:49.14 | Unkle | To him, power literally springs from terrorism and guns. |
| 15:49.41 | Dagmar | They're as disconnected from reality as China, but without the restraint to their behaviour |
| 15:55.06 | TC-Work | ~lart Unkle |
| 15:55.06 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after Unkle's head |
| 15:58.02 | TC-Work | Unkle: sexual based oyster jokes need to be directed at Cairenn|afk for most effective use. |
| 16:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | Or me. I like oysters. |
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| 16:04.16 | Unkle | :P |
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| 16:19.34 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://imgur.com/gallery/onxyM |
| 16:22.10 | Humbedooh | how dare you show cute pictures of otters ;\ |
| 16:22.49 | Unkle | In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only otters and their human slave-beasts. |
| 16:23.05 | Torhal | …the Oyster Farmers. |
| 16:23.30 | Unkle | Otters live in luxury and swim in lakes of fine whiskey. |
| 16:23.58 | karl_w_w | I still want my riding crop back |
| 16:24.06 | Unkle | ... kinky. |
| 16:24.15 | Lopeppeppy | ... rawr |
| 16:24.28 | Unkle | Com'on, we all thought it. I just /said/ it. |
| 16:26.16 | TC-Work | But next you are going to LARP it |
| 16:26.33 | amro | Mohamed morsi (Egyptian president) now on |
| 16:26.40 | Unkle | I'll need a lovely and nubile volunteer from the audience... |
| 16:26.46 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: also http://imgur.com/gallery/pq8nN |
| 16:34.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem. |
| 16:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | Ahem ahem. |
| 16:34.18 | Lopeppeppy | I fit one of those words! |
| 16:34.40 | Unkle | eyes Lopeppeppy most salaciously. |
| 16:35.50 | alestane | Are you 'marriageable'? (The actual definition of 'nubile.') |
| 16:36.11 | Unkle | Technically, I believe she is. |
| 16:36.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Then yes, I am two words, woot! 50%. |
| 16:38.41 | alestane | Peaking of oysters, apparently the phrases "apples and oranges" as used to refer to correct comparisons or incomparable domains, was originally coined as "apples and oysters." |
| 16:40.30 | alestane | Speaking* |
| 16:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | Can't get very much more different than that. |
| 16:42.54 | Humbedooh | apples and otters? |
| 16:43.00 | Unkle | Wikipedia agrees and cites a scholarly reference. |
| 16:44.03 | Unkle | From 1670 |
| 16:45.45 | Humbedooh | better call the QI elves |
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| 16:51.14 | Mr_Rabies | haha, winnie the pooh reference |
| 16:51.28 | Lopeppeppy | Oh bother. |
| 16:51.33 | Mr_Rabies | Honeycatcher Lang and his donkey companion Ayor |
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| 16:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | or...mule |
| 16:51.51 | Mr_Rabies | or something |
| 16:53.17 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: my Alternate Power Bar keeps breaking. :( I've got it set to show when necessary. It appears, but stays empty. Toggling my Holy Power bar (which is disabled normally) fixes it, but only for $duration (till spec switch? logout? not sure, really. It doesn't stick, in any case.) |
| 16:53.19 | amro | ayor is slang for penis |
| 16:54.12 | alestane | Just about everything is, somewhere. |
| 16:54.14 | Shadowed | what class are you |
| 16:54.18 | Shadowed | holy paladin? |
| 16:54.23 | Gnarfoz | ret/prot paladin |
| 16:55.02 | amro | alestane: yes but few asses are given such names |
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| 16:57.03 | Gnarfoz | examples for when it didn't work: Stormstout Brewery (for the kill 40 drunk hozen progress before the first boss) and Shado-Pan Monastery, last boss, for the hate... thing |
| 16:57.24 | Shadowed | I'm not playing WoW, so none of those mean anything to me |
| 16:58.07 | Gnarfoz | hehe |
| 16:58.30 | Gnarfoz | they should be simple cases of alternate power, I guess, it works after toggling the holy power bar |
| 16:58.45 | Gnarfoz | next time it happens, I'll try toggling the alternate power bar itself, instead |
| 16:59.21 | Shadowed | If you can track down the event, I can look into it |
| 16:59.36 | Shadowed | Right now it only shows or hides the bar off of UNIT_POWER_BAR_SHOW/HIDE, it's possibly an issue with that |
| 16:59.42 | Shadowed | It might need to also check on UNIT_DISPLAYPOWER |
| 17:00.15 | Gnarfoz | hm, how can I track those without writing some "track every event" addon? can Transcriptor do it? |
| 17:00.16 | tlund | Shadowed: what do you play instead? :) |
| 17:00.25 | Shadowed | nothing |
| 17:00.39 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz: I would just modify SUF personally |
| 17:00.42 | Shadowed | add something like |
| 17:00.57 | Shadowed | if( frame.unit == "player" ) then print("Visibility updated", barType, minPower, hideFromOthers, showOnRaid, visible) end |
| 17:01.02 | Shadowed | and put it below line #0 in modules/altpower.lua |
| 17:01.05 | Shadowed | 30 |
| 17:01.33 | Gnarfoz | ok, I'll do that |
| 17:01.39 | Shadowed | If you see it appear without anything being printed, then it's an issue with some other area of SUF showing it. If you see it show off the event but not hide, then you know that too |
| 17:01.40 | tlund | Shadowed: but you are still comiting changes to sUF?! :) |
| 17:01.42 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 17:01.56 | Shadowed | don't have to play to test SUF |
| 17:01.57 | Gnarfoz | he's awesome like that? ;) |
| 17:02.19 | tlund | Shadowed: ah, so you have an account and can login, but not activly plaing/leveling? |
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| 17:04.32 | Xinhuan | ~seen bluspacecow |
| 17:04.44 | purl | bluspacecow <~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 1h 43m 30s ago, saying: 'and the telephone exchange for the north island across the street'. |
| 17:04.44 | Xinhuan | !seen bluspacecow |
| 17:06.27 | Primer | I'm curious if others here feel that working with this so called WOW "API" makes them feel like everything they do in it is an exercise in trial and error |
| 17:07.06 | Primer | I can't think of one instance where doing something, even trivial stuff, didn't end up as some sort of hack job |
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| 17:08.54 | Gnarfoz | Primer: I've mostly only done simple things, didn't feel more confused as to be expected by a non-expert |
| 17:09.44 | Ressy | As a user, I hate it. I keep getting Blizzard_Glyph UI error - probably due to other addons running, and Blizzard addons attempting to run, and hitting the run limit. |
| 17:09.47 | Primer | Gnarfoz: I'm far from an expert, yet I'm baffled by how poor some of the API is |
| 17:10.06 | Gnarfoz | major problem: no good, official api documentation. |
| 17:10.14 | Gnarfoz | that's about it ;D |
| 17:12.19 | Primer | I also recently found out that my addon is still causing a client hang |
| 17:12.31 | Primer | I was hoping it was fixed...sigh... |
| 17:13.46 | bluspacecow | ninja power nap is ninja |
| 17:14.05 | bluspacecow | come home from work , lay down on bed. 3 hrs later .... |
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| 17:15.16 | alestane | "Plutonium-powered pacemakers still turn up from time to time in mortuaries and hospitals, and a failure to dispose of them properly keeps America's Nuclear Regulatory Commission busy handing out citations to unsuspecting hospitals." |
| 17:15.28 | Primer | ipv6 on a droid device eh? Fancy... |
| 17:22.03 | Shadowed | btw Gnarfoz, you're the first one who has reported an issue with alt power showing ranodmly |
| 17:22.25 | Shadowed | and alt power is enabled on most units by default as of a few versions ago |
| 17:22.31 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: that's not really what I meant to report, though :D It shows at the right time, but stays empty/doesn't work |
| 17:22.44 | Shadowed | well |
| 17:22.47 | Shadowed | not updating then |
| 17:22.54 | Shadowed | Are you sure it's alt power then |
| 17:23.11 | Gnarfoz | yeah, unless they've added something new similar, that SUF supports out of the box |
| 17:23.17 | Shadowed | Also what I told you won't work then, you would need to put something in AltPower:Update |
| 17:23.29 | Shadowed | well, I guess what I told you will sort of work to narrow it down |
| 17:23.33 | Shadowed | but really it would also need somethging there |
| 17:23.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 17:24.12 | Gnarfoz | maybe the 'type' is not 'ALTERNATE'? that seems to be the most obvious possible reason |
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| 17:25.48 | Shadowed | It shouldn't be |
| 17:26.34 | Shadowed | It's hard to tell because the whole alt power system is a giant clusterfuck |
| 17:27.20 | Shadowed | BlizzardsUUnitPowerBarAlt file checks for "ALTERNATE", but it also does a full update on PEW as well |
| 17:29.50 | Shadowed | Try latest alpha Gnarfoz, I doubt that's the issue but it'll also do a visibility check on PEW |
| 17:30.06 | Shadowed | It definitely matches all of the checks Blizzard does themselves though |
| 17:30.11 | Gnarfoz | well, in one case it's right at the beginning of the instance, so PEW would have fired recently, but the other one is at the end, PEW would've been many minutes ago |
| 17:30.26 | Shadowed | yea |
| 17:30.29 | Trela | "The contents of your document will not be saved if you don't saved." REALLY? |
| 17:30.47 | Shadowed | But that's the only difference between my implementation and Blizzards that I see |
| 17:30.51 | Shadowed | so I'm going to add it anyway to be sure |
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| 17:31.30 | Torhal | Trela: You don't saved. |
| 17:31.40 | Trela | *save. |
| 17:31.46 | Trela | Torhal: :P Still, OS X being dumb. |
| 17:31.55 | Gnarfoz | you dun goof'd |
| 17:32.10 | Lopeppeppy | OSX is very smart. You're just not it's type. |
| 17:33.05 | Trela | It is TextMate's new auto-save/restore feature. You have to purposely kill each document you were using as scratch space or it fucking saves it. |
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| 17:37.39 | Lopeppeppy | Guess they'd rather have you pissed that you saved something than pissed that you lost something. |
| 17:39.39 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: you just added that one line, right? the packager seems to not be running, I was just peeking at the repo directly |
| 17:39.48 | Shadowed | correct |
| 17:39.51 | Gnarfoz | kk |
| 17:39.53 | Shadowed | Torhal stop breaking things |
| 17:40.05 | Torhal | Shadowed: Dafuq? |
| 17:40.12 | Shadowed | You know what you did |
| 17:40.25 | Torhal | Oh, you're making shit up again. Right. |
| 17:40.36 | Shadowed | well the packager actually does seem to be broken |
| 17:41.15 | Shadowed | http://www.wowace.com/packager/ |
| 17:41.31 | bluspacecow | IIRC There's a way in one of the prefpance panes of turning it off |
| 17:41.45 | bluspacecow | automatic termination still requires a defaults write command |
| 17:42.07 | Torhal | Shadowed: I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 17:42.08 | Torhal | >.> |
| 17:42.09 | Torhal | <.< |
| 17:42.16 | Shadowed | Making shit up EH |
| 17:42.18 | Shadowed | EHHHHHHHHH |
| 17:42.29 | Torhal | Considering you said I broke something, yes. |
| 17:42.39 | Shadowed | It is a known fact that something breaking on curse is your fault |
| 17:43.09 | Torhal | ... |
| 17:44.56 | nilyaK | curses about it. |
| 17:48.31 | Xinhuan | i bought an iphone5 today... happy fun times with xcode 4.5 tomorrow |
| 17:51.49 | Xinhuan | i have to say, Apple Maps (or maybe its the hardware) is super accurate when it comes to the GPS detection of location, but their map is not updated since stone age |
| 17:53.28 | bluspacecow | lol maps drama |
| 17:53.33 | bluspacecow | drama drama dramalama |
| 17:53.39 | Xinhuan | the location where i am |
| 17:53.53 | Gnarfoz | positioning is... not their doing at all? :P |
| 17:53.53 | Xinhuan | it just has roads, and the nearest building marked on apple maps is like 1km away |
| 17:53.58 | Gnarfoz | it's GPS :D |
| 17:54.07 | Xinhuan | and there's about 100 blocks around me |
| 17:54.08 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 17:54.23 | bluspacecow | people keep linking ios 6 maps mistakes |
| 17:54.32 | Xinhuan | there's a whole blog dediccated to it |
| 17:54.35 | bluspacecow | without realizing google has those some issues in a few places |
| 17:54.46 | bluspacecow | IIRC i found an article that went through the google maps mistakes |
| 17:54.52 | Xinhuan | well this blog compared the google maps version vs the apple ones |
| 17:54.56 | Xinhuan | so they are legit :P |
| 17:55.04 | Gnarfoz | google has a lot fewer of any of the problems apple maps has |
| 17:55.25 | bluspacecow | google has a team dedicated to making sure the info is correct |
| 17:55.47 | Gnarfoz | which is what people who worked in this field have said over and over: it's not enough to buy some data sets and hope you can merge them algorithmically |
| 17:55.48 | cbreak | google has spent years on it. |
| 17:56.22 | Xinhuan | http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/ |
| 17:56.23 | Xinhuan | that one |
| 17:56.24 | Xinhuan | :P |
| 17:56.32 | Xinhuan | its got pages and pages and pages of funny apple maps stuff |
| 17:56.37 | bluspacecow | yeah i read an article somehow about how the google maps teams operate |
| 17:56.55 | Xinhuan | go look through, it probably has 50+ pages of googlee vs apple comparison maps now |
| 17:57.19 | Xinhuan | but its ok, i still have an ipad with the ios 5 :p |
| 17:57.25 | Xinhuan | and an iphone4 on ios 4 |
| 17:57.57 | bluspacecow | lol bug |
| 17:58.06 | bluspacecow | just got a cooking award just for logging in |
| 17:58.12 | bluspacecow | didn't turn anything in |
| 17:58.26 | Gnarfoz | a winrar is you |
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| 18:03.29 | Primer | I work at a place that succeeded Placebase, one of the companies Apple bought to make their maps |
| 18:03.59 | Xinhuan | google announced they have no plans to make a google maps app replacement like they did for youtube though :( |
| 18:04.01 | Primer | I recently met up with the former placebase people. They gave up a few tid bits about their maps |
| 18:04.39 | Primer | like how Apple could not find enough people to hire to do it, and had to contract out heavily |
| 18:04.57 | Primer | and how they originally tried to run the whole thing under OSX server, then had to switch to RHEL |
| 18:05.19 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 18:05.36 | Primer | what? |
| 18:05.52 | Xinhuan | emoticon with a look of surprise |
| 18:05.58 | Primer | no shit |
| 18:06.19 | bluspacecow | i'm seeing conflicting reports on them planning a google maps replacement tho |
| 18:06.28 | Primer | I guess the inflection of the question mark didn't come out through IRC |
| 18:06.43 | Primer | or the lack of it, I should say |
| 18:07.04 | Primer | bluspacecow: there's no conflict. Google maps _have_ been replaced |
| 18:07.22 | bluspacecow | thats not what i was saying |
| 18:07.46 | bluspacecow | i'm seeing different outfits saying if Google were planning an google maps app or not |
| 18:07.59 | bluspacecow | wasn't debating that they had been replaced :) |
| 18:08.09 | Primer | you lost me |
| 18:08.22 | Primer | you mean a google maps app for iphone? |
| 18:08.28 | Primer | surely Apple would not allow that |
| 18:09.31 | bluspacecow | yeah thats what i meant |
| 18:09.32 | Xinhuan | they have no legal grounds to disallow it |
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| 18:09.41 | nevcairiel | as if they need those |
| 18:09.42 | bluspacecow | both places were news outfits and not people from the companyt |
| 18:09.50 | Xinhuan | though i suppose they have legal grounds to disallow any app? |
| 18:10.02 | Primer | Xinhuan: oh please |
| 18:10.05 | bluspacecow | and you know how official statements have a tendenancy of being mis interpretetted |
| 18:10.16 | Primer | they don't need legal grounds to disallow apps |
| 18:10.39 | bluspacecow | its their playground and they can say what goes in it type of argument ? |
| 18:10.50 | Primer | yes, you have to abide by their license |
| 18:10.56 | karl_w_w | why cant i spell circumstance? |
| 18:11.02 | Primer | one clause reads: No apps that duplicate "native" apps |
| 18:11.21 | Primer | or some such |
| 18:12.42 | bluspacecow | …… |
| 18:12.54 | bluspacecow | i just had some fan bois follow my monk |
| 18:12.56 | bluspacecow | literally |
| 18:13.04 | nilyaK | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.09 | Primer | hearth |
| 18:13.10 | bluspacecow | two little boys asking if i could kick a bridge in half |
| 18:13.22 | bluspacecow | and if i consider a male fire spirit hot or not |
| 18:13.25 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 18:13.27 | bluspacecow | NPCs ! |
| 18:13.38 | cogwheel | bluspacecow: that's why i left the announcement up for a month :P |
| 18:13.49 | bluspacecow | *forehead slap* |
| 18:14.07 | bluspacecow | ever i missed it or haven't logged on in a few months :P |
| 18:14.19 | Xinhuan | how is it possible ppl are lvl 90 monks already |
| 18:14.23 | Xinhuan | is leveling THAT fast now? |
| 18:14.30 | bluspacecow | RAF |
| 18:14.33 | bluspacecow | or race change. |
| 18:14.39 | Xinhuan | monks... |
| 18:14.44 | bluspacecow | there were levelling exploits |
| 18:14.46 | Xinhuan | you don't race change into a monk |
| 18:15.06 | bluspacecow | RaF maybe |
| 18:15.14 | Xinhuan | that's only to 60 still |
| 18:15.27 | bluspacecow | then level from there |
| 18:15.41 | nevcairiel | you can raf to 80 now |
| 18:16.44 | Xinhuan | ah |
| 18:16.52 | Xinhuan | well that kinda explains it then |
| 18:19.00 | bluspacecow | http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/25/google-has-not-yet-submitted-a-google-maps-app-to-apple/ |
| 18:22.08 | karl_w_w | they shouldnt |
| 18:22.47 | Xinhuan | they should, because if they don't, ppl will just use an actual browser and browse the actual website :P |
| 18:22.56 | Xinhuan | which would probably use more traffic |
| 18:22.57 | karl_w_w | let people suffer with an inferior product, the reality distortion field is already dissipating, may as well get the degaussers out |
| 18:23.11 | nevcairiel | i dont think google cares about traffic |
| 18:23.39 | Xinhuan | http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/25/us-google-iphone-idUSBRE88O07U20120925 |
| 18:23.50 | Xinhuan | "Google says Maps not waiting in wings for iPhone 5" |
| 18:24.50 | Xinhuan | though, its unclear if google can just resubmit the same app that came with the stock OS |
| 18:25.13 | nevcairiel | the old app was just a webbrowser in disguise |
| 18:25.14 | karl_w_w | actually one thing indicates google do care about traffic, they disabled translating webpages from english to english |
| 18:27.05 | nevcairiel | that might be serverload more then traffic |
| 18:27.13 | Primer | than |
| 18:27.44 | nevcairiel | sue me! |
| 18:27.45 | karl_w_w | thanks Primer |
| 18:27.49 | Xinhuan | well, when i said traffic, i actually meant server load :P |
| 18:28.17 | Primer | sues nevcairiel |
| 18:28.51 | karl_w_w | anyway, i have 273.66/2 MB of data left on my phone and it has to last me about 36 hours |
| 18:28.59 | karl_w_w | so goodnights! |
| 18:29.10 | nevcairiel | on a phone? that can last me half the month :p |
| 18:29.31 | karl_w_w | my phone is tethered to my desktop |
| 18:29.33 | Primer | I've never tracked data usage on my phone |
| 18:29.34 | Xinhuan | did u know in Apple Maps, they duplicated Senkaku island |
| 18:29.38 | Primer | never had to |
| 18:29.43 | karl_w_w | 36 hours is roughly when my ADSL gets hooked up |
| 18:29.45 | Xinhuan | so you can search for Senkaku and it sticks a pin on island 1 |
| 18:29.57 | Xinhuan | and if you search for Diao Yu Dao, it sticks a pin in island 2 |
| 18:30.01 | nevcairiel | Primer: nor me, but i had a 300mb cap in the beginning and it ran out occasionally, so i upgrade to 1gb and never had issues again =p |
| 18:30.06 | Primer | I have a feeling Apple maps will be just fine, given time |
| 18:30.08 | Xinhuan | its pretty funny |
| 18:30.14 | Primer | The Apple fanboys will keep it alive |
| 18:30.32 | Xinhuan | oh i've no doubt apple is hard at work improving and fixing all the issues |
| 18:30.48 | Xinhuan | it'll only probably take them 2 years until iphone6 for them to announce it |
| 18:30.50 | Primer | Xinhuan: I know this for a fact, from the people working on it |
| 18:31.17 | Primer | Thing is, google has a...7 year head start? |
| 18:31.31 | Xinhuan | still, competition is good |
| 18:31.43 | karl_w_w | i had 3gb to last a month since the 30th, I've used the 3gb and now have $273.66 flexicredit left, charged at $2 per mb |
| 18:31.46 | Xinhuan | despite it isn't much of a competition yet |
| 18:31.48 | Primer | I don't even know if my phone has a data cap |
| 18:31.58 | Primer | but then I always use wifi when at home and at the office |
| 18:32.43 | Primer | plus my work pays my phone bill, so even if I had any overages, no one ever mentioned anything |
| 18:32.55 | Primer | I need to get a new phone though, this old G2 is just that...old |
| 18:33.15 | Primer | I had to e2fsck the /data partition on it recently too, was getting fs errors |
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| 18:41.01 | bluspacecow | okay sleep tiems! |
| 18:44.32 | Primer | So, I shall ask this again: Anyone every work with the calendar functions in the wow API? |
| 18:44.59 | Primer | because I'm finding it to be quite the clusterfuck |
| 18:45.07 | foxlit | You should ask better questions, grasshopper. |
| 18:45.20 | Primer | All I want to do is create a savedvariable file with the contents of the calendar |
| 18:45.35 | Primer | but it seems that there's a mix of context based functions |
| 18:45.44 | Primer | some return what I want, others don't |
| 18:46.06 | Primer | I took a look at Group Calendar 5, a calendar addon that support export to ical |
| 18:46.10 | Primer | yet it too fails |
| 18:46.42 | Primer | foxlit: well, I was hoping to engage someone that had experience with the calendar |
| 18:47.04 | Primer | because such a person would have gone through the pains I'm going through now |
| 18:47.35 | Primer | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetEventInfo <-- simply put, I'd like to run THAT for every calendar "event" |
| 18:47.48 | Xinhuan | so whats the problem? |
| 18:47.58 | Primer | the output is inconsistent |
| 18:48.07 | Primer | note that takes no arguments |
| 18:48.20 | Jamash | is there a decent cheap or FLOSS small business inventory management system? |
| 18:48.30 | Primer | So presumably this is one of those context-based functions |
| 18:48.44 | Primer | which means I must set the calendar to a specific event then query |
| 18:48.57 | Xinhuan | probably |
| 18:49.18 | Xinhuan | did u study the blizzard addon code for how they use it? |
| 18:49.24 | Primer | but setting the calendar to a specific event is problematic as well, as there are different functions for "setting" different types of events |
| 18:49.28 | Xinhuan | that's the best way |
| 18:49.34 | Xinhuan | to see how its meant to be used |
| 18:49.56 | Primer | I did not, nor did I know that was even possible, but I guess their code is there to be seen |
| 18:50.11 | Xinhuan | that's how the docs are even on wowprogramming.com to begin with |
| 18:50.24 | Arrowmaster | Xinhuan: does apple have a way to submit corrections to the maps like google does? |
| 18:50.25 | Xinhuan | its meaning, and return values are extracted from those blizzard addon code |
| 18:50.30 | Xinhuan | no clue Arrowmaster |
| 18:50.57 | Jamash|ork | Primer: you could open the calendar and then send click events at it |
| 18:51.10 | Primer | ok, so you lost me now: -rw-r--r--. 1 daniel daniel 257 Nov 12 2008 Blizzard_Calendar.pub |
| 18:51.15 | Arrowmaster | i doubt google does from the phone but the great thing about google is you can on the browser version, which i havent heard of apple having a browser version |
| 18:51.20 | Primer | that's the only file in Blizzard_Calendar |
| 18:51.28 | Jamash|ork | ~framexml |
| 18:51.28 | purl | framexml is probably Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
| 18:51.30 | foxlit | Primer: http://www.wowpedia.org/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code |
| 18:51.31 | Xinhuan | Primer, you have to extract the addon code from their mpqs |
| 18:51.36 | Jamash|ork | Primer^ |
| 18:51.44 | Xinhuan | or u can use their extractor on their website |
| 18:51.55 | Jamash|ork | console is easy |
| 18:52.02 | Jamash|ork | do they still host it now that it's built in? |
| 18:52.13 | Primer | lovely, thanks |
| 18:52.16 | foxlit | nothing up-to-date |
| 18:52.30 | Xinhuan | extracting yourself is typically the fastest way |
| 18:52.46 | Primer | really? I just went to http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 18:52.50 | Primer | seems it's all there |
| 18:52.58 | Xinhuan | because its all local then |
| 18:53.05 | Xinhuan | and u can mass search in files |
| 18:53.11 | Primer | true |
| 18:53.15 | Xinhuan | to find particular uses of a function call |
| 18:53.27 | Xinhuan | or where if you hook a blizz calendar function |
| 18:53.30 | Xinhuan | how it would affect things |
| 18:53.41 | foxlit | but you're correct, Calendar is weird |
| 18:53.47 | Primer | wow, the code even has comments |
| 18:53.55 | Primer | foxlit: extremely |
| 18:53.56 | foxlit | Then again, most of their APIs are written in silly ways |
| 18:57.18 | Primer | Where does the code end up once you export it? |
| 18:57.41 | Primer | nm |
| 18:57.41 | foxlit | "Once extracted, the files can be found in the..." |
| 18:57.42 | Primer | found it |
| 18:58.05 | Primer | I only read purl's output |
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| 19:01.08 | Primer | seem CalendarGetEventInfo is only ever called in event handlers |
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| 19:19.03 | Primer | OMG I found a flaw in my logic and now it's working |
| 19:19.22 | pompy | yay |
| 19:20.17 | pompy | who's dhedbor on cf again? |
| 19:20.36 | pompy | ah NeoTron |
| 19:26.01 | Primer | Is there a tool for browsing data structures in-game? |
| 19:26.30 | Primer | graphically, that is, with collapse and expand, etc. |
| 19:26.58 | pompy | i believe so. |
| 19:28.49 | Primer | Would love to know what it is |
| 19:42.10 | pompy | Primer: maybe http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9333-_Dev.html |
| 19:42.13 | pompy | recently updated |
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| 19:53.28 | Primer | pompy: ahh I think I've seen this before. Thanks. |
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| 20:01.39 | mikma | http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/birds_chatting.jpg |
| 20:02.21 | Jamash|ork | Primer: LuaBrowser is pretty cool |
| 20:03.28 | Jamash|ork | mikma: john madden! john madden! john madden! |
| 20:06.28 | mckenziemc | hey Jamash|ork |
| 20:07.17 | Jamash|ork | hey mckenziemcmcmcmc |
| 20:08.13 | mckenziemc | why so ork |
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| 20:09.10 | Jamash|ork | her go bor go doo gadeesh gadoo, me mor me hor dee day doo ork ork ork! |
| 20:09.34 | Humbedooh | that sounds nothing like the swedish chef :\ |
| 20:09.53 | Jamash|ork | your face sounds nothing like the swedish chef |
| 20:09.57 | Humbedooh | true |
| 20:10.10 | Jamash|ork | and yet people laugh at it anyway |
| 20:10.13 | Humbedooh | unless it makes a brilliant swedish chef imitation |
| 20:10.20 | Humbedooh | Jamash|ork: also true :( |
| 20:13.42 | mckenziemc | wtb new monitor :( |
| 20:13.46 | mckenziemc | 800x600 sucks |
| 20:15.08 | Arrowmaster | well that was worth the 4 eridium to get into the zone, found a $50k 721dmg smg on the vending machine in terramorphous zone in BL2 |
| 20:15.41 | Jamash|ork | that's not a monitor, that's a cell phone |
| 20:15.41 | mckenziemc | harl's a technical machine now? |
| 20:15.48 | harl|TM | no |
| 20:15.51 | Humbedooh | or trademarked |
| 20:15.54 | harl|TM | is not |
| 20:16.09 | mckenziemc | trademarks. |
| 20:16.14 | Jamash|ork | transcendental meditation? |
| 20:17.09 | harl|TM | 'tis The Mentalist i'm watching |
| 20:17.27 | Humbedooh | aaah |
| 20:17.39 | harl|TM | and harlovyvary means i'm taking a bath |
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| 20:19.15 | mckenziemc | what do ovaries have to do with a bath |
| 20:19.24 | harl|TM | nothing |
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| 20:19.55 | mckenziemc | they both have the letter a in them |
| 20:21.22 | harl|TM | well, yes, but they're still not related |
| 20:21.25 | Jamash|ork | harl|overtherainbow |
| 20:21.40 | Jamash|ork | harloguthrie |
| 20:21.44 | harl|TM | karlovy vary is the czech name for carlsbad |
| 20:21.55 | Jamash|ork | who is carl and what did he do wrong? |
| 20:23.06 | harl|TM | bad means bath in german, someone just reused the same word in english and changed karlsbad to carlsbad |
| 20:23.23 | Jamash|ork | I get it |
| 20:23.31 | Jamash|ork | I'm not sure if I'm pleased or displeased about that |
| 20:24.03 | harl|TM | same here, but that's how it is |
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| 20:51.16 | many | is it just me or has the phasing becoming a pile of ****? |
| 20:54.21 | many | or maybe its something different. walking through the village and NPCs only appear when you stand inside them. |
| 20:54.28 | many | walk 5m, disappear oO |
| 20:55.49 | Jamash|ork | I think it's part phasing and part xrealm zones |
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| 21:06.17 | Semlar | it's probably from the crz |
| 21:06.43 | Semlar | i know on the beta all it took was flying up into the air and tapping back and forth a few times for every unit on screen to disappear |
| 21:31.33 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: alt power bar thingy just happened again. I've recruited two other guildies to pay attention to their bars and tell me if they see the same problem ^^ |
| 21:31.38 | Shadowed | kk |
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| 21:34.44 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: btw, when it works, the bar now fills with blue (not exactly sure if it's the same shade as my mana), it used to be purple (like the rested exp bar, almost) - maybe it's a coloring issue? i.e. filling with the background color or something? |
| 21:35.05 | Shadowed | I highly doubt that, and if it was it's more likely your fault in configuration |
| 21:35.09 | Shadowed | someone else would have noticed it by now |
| 21:35.28 | Gnarfoz | there's only one "color power by" dropdown for "power bar", so... no idea, I guess it should've always been blue |
| 21:35.46 | Gnarfoz | can I even control the color if it's set to color by power type? |
| 21:36.09 | Shadowed | You aren't a Druid right |
| 21:36.15 | Shadowed | or not trying this on a Druid* |
| 21:36.29 | Gnarfoz | nope, ret/prot paladin |
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| 22:26.47 | Canth | so is there a good template to use to make an ace3 addon ? |
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| 22:56.07 | Canth | Guess not |
| 23:03.50 | TC-Work | Canth: you might want to ask in the ace channel..... |
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| 23:08.41 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: no, they wouldn't want to talk about Ace in the ace channel :P |
| 23:09.14 | Esamynn|work | that's just crazy talk |
| 23:13.35 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: any more than we talk about coding here? |
| 23:14.44 | pompy | iknorite |
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| 23:18.03 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:18.07 | Fisker | disenchanted my cloak |
| 23:18.11 | Fisker | can't get back into heroics |
| 23:18.24 | foxlit | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED, UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED_QUIET, UNIT_SPELLCAST_FAILED_QUIET, UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED all from one spell |
| 23:19.03 | pompy | huh Fisker |
| 23:19.31 | foxlit | should probably rename that UNIT_SPELLCAST_DUNNO_POLL_API_INSTEAD |
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| 23:20.39 | Fisker | pompy my only cloak |
| 23:20.44 | Fisker | average ilevel went down to 410 or so |
| 23:20.48 | pompy | is youtr restore up? |
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| 23:21.27 | pompy | you can restore mistakenly disenchanted shit, you should know this! |
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| 23:24.09 | Fisker | i know pompy |
| 23:24.25 | Fisker | disenchanted shit has to be manually reviewed by customer service because they have to take our materials |
| 23:24.32 | Fisker | you should know this! |
| 23:24.34 | pompy | yeah true |
| 23:24.37 | pompy | well get to it then! |
| 23:25.03 | Fisker | why? |
| 23:25.13 | Fisker | By the time they restore it i'll be raiding :3 |
| 23:26.29 | mckenziemc | how unfortunate |
| 23:30.02 | Fisker | how so? |
| 23:30.03 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
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| 23:31.59 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 23:33.18 | Primer | So what was the final word regarding the watermarking of screenshots? |
| 23:33.29 | Primer | Seems that kinda just died down and went away |
| 23:33.53 | mckenziemc | isn't that normal? |
| 23:34.00 | Primer | I suppose |
| 23:34.29 | Primer | But what ever became of it? Some were saying jpeg artifacts, others were linking symbols from the disassembled OSX bin... |
| 23:34.41 | Primer | s/linking/pasting/ |
| 23:34.51 | Fisker | retards were mainly saying jpeg artifacts |
| 23:34.54 | Primer | thank you, purl |
| 23:34.58 | Fisker | people who actually researched issue said otherwise |
| 23:35.10 | Fisker | +the |
| 23:35.11 | Primer | well, I recall some of the "retards" were people here |
| 23:35.30 | Fisker | indeed |
| 23:35.40 | mckenziemc | well, i'm hoping he means after the evidence had been documented |
| 23:35.59 | Fisker | of course mckenziemc |
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| 23:43.17 | Gnarfoz | Primer: it's an intentiontional watermark, present in jpeg screenshots with quality below 10, including pre-bnet accountname or id (i.e. not your bnet login), server ip (not client ip) and timestamp hh:mm |
| 23:43.22 | Gnarfoz | that's the bottom line |
| 23:43.34 | Gnarfoz | (and yes, nobody seemed to care :D) |
| 23:43.51 | Primer | intentiontional...great word |
| 23:47.02 | Gnarfoz | haha |
| 23:47.05 | Gnarfoz | yes indeed |
| 23:47.18 | Gnarfoz | that was totally unintentiontional! |
| 23:47.21 | Canth | Oh, sorry, didn't realize there was an ace channel |
| 23:47.32 | mckenziemc | stabs Gnarfoz |
| 23:47.39 | Gnarfoz | #wowace |
| 23:47.49 | Gnarfoz | but don't count on there being much more of a response there, either ;D |
| 23:48.11 | Gnarfoz | but... there's a knowledge base entry that kind of serves as a tutorial, I think... maybe. :F |
| 23:48.15 | Gnarfoz | http://kb.wowace.com |
| 23:49.35 | Canth | yeah, I saw that, but it seems light on details |
| 23:50.03 | Canth | the framework's interesting and I like the way it feels, much more like im used to |
| 23:50.20 | Canth | waht I miss is a maven archetype for making a prototype project :) |
| 23:52.15 | TC-Work | what i miss is DUF....but that tends to just be me |
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| 23:53.15 | Gnarfoz | overrated crapcode, iirc ;p |
| 23:56.51 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/kviBG.jpg |
| 23:57.00 | Mr_Rabies | oh no how did this get here i'm not good at barrels |
