IRC log for #wowuidev on 20120924

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00:38.48Ackiscan starter accounts add people to real ID?
00:39.02Ackis(assuming no)
00:39.37Semlarno
00:39.43End_when I looked, starter didn't get any of the buttons and couldn't see invites either
00:40.03AckisI can't tell what any buttons do, I'm on a ruRU realm
00:40.08End_s/invites/friend requests/
00:40.10Semlaryou can have friends
00:40.12Ackiseverything looks like winddings to me
00:40.34Semlarbut you can't talk or send out friend invitations
00:40.56Semlarsomeone else has to initiate it
00:41.44Semlaralthough you might be able to friend other trial accounts because i'm pretty sure one of the addons i was looking through relied on that
00:43.45Semlarhttp://www.curse.com/addons/wow/f2paddon this thing
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01:59.30VladinatorSemlar: how is your map going on? :P
02:00.14Semlari've been kinda busy with other stuff recently
02:00.33Semlari'll get back to it when i have some free time
02:06.43Semlarit doesn't need that much work but i got stuck on part of it that's going to take some effort to figure out
02:10.22Semlarackis are you around?
02:13.05pompy1Semlar: hes a tad busy atm
02:13.18Semlarokay
02:13.58Semlarsomeone mentioned here http://www.wowace.com/addons/libtourist-3-0/#c10 that some areas don't have a map id and i don't know what they mean by that
02:15.08pompy1he should provide what maps dont have the ID then we could go from there lol.
02:15.49Vladinatorhow can a map not have an id?
02:15.51Semlarmaybe some areas don't have a map? otherwise this could be a problem
02:16.07nevcairielthey just use strings which are not technically zones, but sub-zones
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02:17.06NeffiMake a stub that alerts the user when a map-ID isn't found, gathers traditional data about the area, and asks the user to report the data on in a forum thread?
02:22.46Semlari'm pretty sure if an area has a map, my addon will handle it
02:23.20Semlarbut i'd like to know which zones they're referring to
02:23.58nevcairiellike i said, its not zones
02:24.03nevcairieltourist uses all sort of crap
02:24.09Semlarif it's just subzones it doesn't really matter to me
02:26.41Semlarlibtourist looks interesting but i can get a lot of the information they have in-game
02:29.24Semlarnot the zeppelin and boat stuff and not the coordinates of the zone connections but i can get the instance locations and all the level ranges
02:34.24CooteSo, quick question on CRZ. Say I invite a friend from another realm, but different realm type. Will I end up on an Rp type server, or will he wind up on my PVP type server?
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02:34.43kd3the leader's type, generally
02:35.23xyphoidso i didn't quite get that, does crz actually mean i can invite someone on another server and quest in the world with them?
02:35.28CooteInteresting. I'm surprised they're allowing that, since it kind of gets people out of dealing with ganking on PVP servers. Thanks for that. Guess I'll have to be leader, then.
02:35.39xyphoidi mean i got that you could do dungeons together
02:35.45CooteYes, you can invite trhough realID
02:35.53Coote*through
02:36.11xyphoidand this works in mists?
02:36.15kd3right now
02:36.16xyphoider, mists zones?
02:36.26kd3on the live servers. it'll work in the mists zones too, probably
02:36.27CooteI dont think that works for Mists zones.
02:36.45CooteI thought all CRZ was going to be disabled for Mists for a while.
02:37.03kd3the auto-zone sharing bit won't go live on the mists zones for some time
02:37.14kd3cross-realm grouping should work everywhere
02:37.16xyphoidi mean i rerolled at the start of this year to play with rl friends, shelving my chars elsewhere
02:37.42xyphoidas far as i can tell cr grouping means i can actually do everything with people crosserver now
02:37.43CooteAhh. So, that might make things interesting. I may have to group up with some RealID friends for backup while leveling through to 90. =)
02:41.59RessyThey've said the only ways CRZ will be uses in Mists zones righ tnow, is if you're in a party already, and to split zones due to too many people in it.
02:42.33NeffiHoly god, world Pvp in Cata zones is crazy right now.
02:42.36NeffiBodies errrwhere
02:43.23NeffiCoote: CRZ factors in the population of the zone, so I think it'll end up being disabled by default on Mists content anyway. Lots of players all competing.
02:43.23CooteI've seen what molten front looks like since they added in CRZ. Kinda makes me wish I had my sub up now, instead of getting it set back up tomorrow.
02:43.42NeffiIn fact they mentioned they can also split zones that are grossly overpopulated, so they'll probably end up doing that for Mists leveling boom
02:44.38NeffiSeriously though, this is crazy fun. So many red names to kill. I'm getting more HKs than quests finished
02:47.46VladinatorI have logged over 200 npc worth of abilities (available when controlled) trough dominate mind :P
02:47.56VladinatorI wonder if wowhead/wowdb will implement this into their db systems.
02:50.23Vladinatorwhen player casts UNIT_SPELLCAST_START register CLEU, when UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED unregister CLEU (this helps throttle the load, we don't need CLEU in most situations anyway -we check the spellID) ---- CLEU checks if the spell fails, misses or is applied then unregisters itself, then uses UNIT_SPELLCAST_CHANNEL_STOP to check when the mind control ends ---- while waiting for STOP we monitor UPDATE_POSSESS_BAR/UPDATE_VEHICLE_ACTIONB
02:55.10NeffiRecommend it on the Wowhead forums, or write a patch for the existing Wowhead addon
02:55.14NeffiAnd submit said patch
02:56.12Mr_Rabies"it just doesn't feel right to me for these old zones to be teeming with people"
02:56.33Mr_Rabiesi can only blame blizzard for emptying their own world over time, but still, this mindset really upsets me
02:58.35Mr_Rabiesthe fact that people somehow are led to believe the open world is theirs and instances are for seeing other people is :psyduck: as hell
02:59.51Krapswow thats crazy
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03:03.27NeffiWoW has incidentally gone to certain lengths that take the MM out of MMO
03:03.49NeffiWhen it's suddenly reinstated, all the people that aren't accustomed to that aspect are hit with a big surprise
03:04.01NeffiPeople will get used to it
03:10.43NeffiForgetting upfront development costs, what do you guys think it'd cost to implement an MMO on the scale of WoW for an independent dev?
03:10.51NeffiSay you started with far fewer servers, even
03:11.11Cairennhttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6679368628
03:11.34NeffiServer and maintenance costs must be catastrophic
03:11.48nevcairielthats why you collect a monthly fee
03:12.04nevcairielCairenn: psh, we develop addons, not websites that use the weird community api =P
03:12.22Cairenn:p
03:13.08NeffiYeah but I'm wondering if an indie dev getting into a serious MMO would be an exercuse in futility and eventual bankruptcy
03:13.20nevcairielprobably
03:13.30NeffiOr if it'd be even remotely doable for any non-large-scale company to develop a competitive MMO
03:13.52xyphoidpeople run wow private servers without too much hassle
03:13.54nevcairielyou need a minimum number of paying players to be able to keep your system running
03:14.01xyphoidit's just infrastructure
03:14.30NeffiFrom my experience those private servers are terrible in upkeep and uptime
03:14.33NeffiAnd buggy as fuck
03:15.02xyphoidbut like server costs aren't that huge
03:15.11NeffiI wonder how huge
03:15.20xyphoidhandling support requets and stuff and billing would probably be more expensive
03:15.22nevcairielproper servers costs quite a bit of money
03:15.39NeffiI'm sure it'd be more ideal to get a large company like Blizz interested enough in your MMO to purchase it
03:15.50nevcairielyou cant just run a stable business of your $50/month server from your friendly hostign company
03:15.58NeffiOh of course
03:16.18NeffiAnd I doubt something like Amazon EC could provide the right latencies and realtime performance
03:16.54NeffiSomething like WoW is custom datacenter territory. But then again WoW has grown immensely over time. I wonder what the original server-side implementation looked like.
03:18.23nevcairielwow was big on launch already, pretty much
03:18.43kd3bigger than blizz planned
03:18.45nevcairielbut blizzard was no small company
03:19.00NeffiTrue enough. They had moderate backing, even if it wasn't EA or Activision scale at the time.
03:19.04nevcairielkd3: every launch pretty much was bigger then they planned =p
03:19.07NeffiA single dev has nothing near that
03:19.20nevcairiela single dev can never pull of something like wow
03:19.51NeffiI don't really get into the whole game dev community. How do some of them pull it off?
03:19.53Gnarfozmoderate backing? you seem to underestimate Vivendi's size :|
03:20.17nevcairielyeah before activision it was vivendi, blizzard hasnt been "alone" for a while
03:20.20NeffiIs it abnormal to develop a prototype and take it to an established game company in hopes they'll purchase it out?
03:20.20starlonhttp://i.imgur.com/prPWR.jpg
03:20.29Gnarfozalso, what part of the server-side implementation do you want to know about? HP Blade Centers with Opterons in them.
03:20.35Gnarfozand they use Oracle :urgh:
03:20.44NeffiBlizz was with Vivendi at WoW's launch? I thoguht that was after the fact.
03:20.53nebula169"<nevcairiel> thats why you collect a monthly fee" blizz said they have a sub because of customer support costs, not hardware costs >.>
03:21.14NeffiOpterons? I remember the eBay sales of the original servers being Xeons.
03:21.17nevcairielmaybe they should allow me to not pay the sub, and then cancel my GM privs :p
03:21.37Gnarfozshould've been Opterons at launch, maybe the blade-center stuff wasn't even the launch hardware
03:21.44nebula169that was my thought
03:21.52nevcairielthe servers they recently sold were not the launch hardware
03:21.52Dark_Elfshame they didnt have a sub for diablo3, we wow people still have to foot the bill
03:21.54nebula169"i haven't submitted a ticket in like three years~!"
03:21.58nevcairielit was the second wave of hardware already
03:22.03Neffinebula169: Well Blizz can afford to eat the server costs I'm sure. It's paying GMs and sysadmins that really kills. Those costs are much higher than running just a datacenter.
03:22.04Gnarfozit all makes sense now! :D
03:22.21Gnarfozthey don't run their own datacenters, that'd be way overkill
03:22.54Neffinevcairiel: I'm talking about the ones sold way back when for charity.
03:22.55nevcairielnah, you just rent a few racks in an established datacenter
03:22.58Gnarfozthey're hosted by AT&T for US, Telia for EU
03:23.00NeffiLike, in BC
03:23.02nevcairielNeffi: they do that every odd years
03:23.03Dark_Elfwonders if there was a rolling restart today, they had one about everyday this week
03:23.10Gnarfozway back when? that was quite recently, neffi
03:23.24nevcairielwasnt it the second time they did that?
03:23.24Gnarfozunless they had another auction before this one that I totally forgot about
03:23.40NeffiI believe the first auction was during BC
03:23.44NeffiMy timeframe could be off
03:23.51Gnarfozit's sad that they killed off the old forums so thoroughly
03:23.56Gnarfozcan't link to old stuff :(
03:24.06nevcairielthe first server upgrade was after the start of BC when everything started to lag terribly :p
03:24.16NeffiMore sad they killed off Drysc
03:24.18NeffiI miss that guy
03:24.19kd3eh, it was before that
03:24.27kd3they were doing server upgrades for naxx
03:24.31nevcairielhm
03:24.32nevcairielor that
03:25.02GnarfozNeffi: huh? Drysc is Bashiok now, and still around
03:25.16Gnarfozhttp://www.wowpedia.org/Bashiok
03:25.35Gnarfozyou sure you didn't mean Tseric? ;D
03:25.35NeffiOh wow
03:25.38NeffiCool
03:25.47NeffiTseric was cool too, but I miss the Felwood tree
03:25.52Mr_Rabiestseric was the guy that had a pseudo-meltdown
03:25.54Mr_Rabiesi really miss him
03:26.00NeffiAnd wow, he looks like such a nerd there
03:26.06NeffiYeah I remember Tseric's meltdown
03:26.08NeffiBans left and right
03:26.16NeffiDrysc was just a troll in general sometimes
03:26.25CooteHeh, at least he actually did something to half those trolls.
03:27.03Mr_RabiesCM pay must be good
03:27.20Mr_Rabiesbecause the turnaround would be through the roof if they're not making bank
03:27.26Mr_Rabiesno one has skin that thick for bad pay
03:29.03NeffiI'm sure Blizz treats their employees okay
03:29.06Ressyits not the pay that keeps them. its the benefits
03:29.21NeffiThey don't come off as the type of company that will marginalize at the cost of slightly higher profit
03:29.43RessyI mean, they have a masseuse at Blizz HQ for if you need a massage
03:29.57NeffiWow, that's kind acool
03:29.59Ressyfree games, free wow sub
03:30.09Ressygames rooms
03:30.17kd3good(ish?) food
03:30.24Ressythey've got a cafeteria
03:30.50Neffilol fun bug
03:30.54kd3I know. I've been in it
03:31.03GnarfozCMs and Devs... have it nice. GMs, not that much ;p
03:31.08RessyThey have a program, where if you carpool, or walk or bike in, you get credit for it.
03:31.09NeffiDeepholme airship, killed the boss that holds you over the edge, and when the NPC grabbed him I fell off the airship
03:31.21kd3I think they were only handing out coffee for us fansite peons, though
03:31.44RessyThe rewards program for if you get good/great survey responses
03:32.14NeffiSo that's the deal with all the fun-loving RP and GM jokes
03:32.28RessyOh..
03:32.37Ressyand they also do nights at an amusement park
03:32.47Ressyeveryone goes in rides and gets drunk
03:32.59NeffiHow do you know all this?
03:33.04Neffieyes Ressy
03:33.09Ressymost used to be posted publicly.
03:33.09kd3many of us have blizz contacts
03:33.19RessyThe rest, is from twitter or my personal blizz contacts
03:33.30kd3and there were vids posted of the more recent disney trips
03:33.39Mr_Rabieswell, benefits are effectively pay
03:33.52Mr_Rabiesas long as they're stuff you take advantage of
03:34.01Mr_Rabiesand would without the job
03:34.04NeffiI wonder what kind of treatment the devs get
03:34.53Ressywhip? Get back to work?
03:34.57Ressy:P
03:35.03Cootezug zug
03:35.09Ressylots of booze?
03:36.01kd3gin
03:36.07kd3which reminds me
03:36.13kd3looks for some more alcohol
03:37.00Ressyoh.. Found a copy of the old benefits page on yahoo: http://voices.yahoo.com/blizzard-entertainment-best-place-work-2396277.html
03:42.14NeffiHoly shit
03:42.17NeffiThat's pretty cool
03:42.34NeffiThey haven't outdone the Googleplex, but it's still pretty impressive
03:43.04pompy1voices.yahoo.com seems to be mad slow lately.
03:43.13Ressyyeah..
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04:07.41kd3here's a horrifying statistic: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-suicide-americans-car.html
04:08.42nevcairielYou could say its a good day to be driving a car
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04:22.13NeffiI almost missed the stupidity of general chat
04:22.50NeffiCRZ general: lolz blizz lies wow sux u guiz is nubs.  "But sir <poignant argument invalidating all claims>"  LOL UZ ON IGNORE WOW IS SO MUCH BETTER WIT KIDS ON IGNORE
04:23.39DagmarAren't you glad the expansion is releasing on a school night?
04:24.14NeffiI'm glad I play strictly during the night
04:25.22Thunder_ChildI'm glad i dont play.  Much less wanting to beat the shit out of someone.  And i get more than enough of it during the day.
04:25.55Arrowmasterkd3: http://i.imgur.com/rwd9nh.jpg
04:34.33Vladinatorhow can I make my cancelaura not cancel when I am not casting the /cast spell below on myself? :P
04:35.12StanzillaVladinator: /cancelaura [@target]?
04:35.35Stanzillaor player
04:35.36Stanzillawhatever
04:35.42VladinatorI meant I only wish to cancel the aura when I am casting on myself :(
04:35.49Stanzillaplayed!
04:35.50Stanzilla*r
04:36.02Neffi<PROTECTED>
04:36.12Vladinatorit's a Levitate macro
04:36.13Vladinator:p
04:36.18Vladinatorwish to make it cancel when I buff myself
04:36.24Neffiwait, what?
04:36.35NeffiCancel Levitate if you're casting it again?
04:36.45Vladinatoryes
04:36.48NeffiWhy?
04:36.55Vladinatordouble tap to fall, tap once to buff :P
04:37.01VladinatorGCD trick
04:37.07Neffi<PROTECTED>
04:37.17batbotShirik cannot destroy me.
04:37.20Neffi<PROTECTED>
04:37.26NeffiProbably won't work
04:37.30Stanzillawont
04:37.53NeffiNo easy way to accomplish that, if at all
04:39.41VladinatorI noticed :/
04:42.45Mr_Rabieswould  /cancelaura [btn:2] Levitate | /cast [nobtn:2] Levitate suffice?
04:43.10Mr_Rabiesi mean, not exactly what you asked for, but if the conditional checks out that'd be pretty simple
04:46.41p3limWhat's the current build on beta?
04:52.07Vladinatorwas just checking if there was a way but yes :<
04:52.30Neffip3lim: 16057
04:52.47NeffiOh on beta
04:52.48Neffithat's live
04:57.49sidji16048
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04:58.36iShirikIsn't tlapd over?
04:59.06nevcairieltlapd was on the 19th
04:59.10nevcairielso, long over
05:00.18sidjiaye, it's over  aarrr
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05:01.12CairennHappy now?
05:03.54iShirikNo
05:04.02Cairenngood
05:04.03Mr_Rabiesi totally forget how to create new purl commands
05:04.08iShirikI have to wake up at 5:30 am tomorrow
05:04.12Cairennewww
05:04.15iShirikWhat is this
05:04.34Mr_Rabieswe should make one for battletags :o
05:05.04iShirikSleep time
05:05.13iShirikhugs cairenn
05:05.17Cairennsweet dreams iShirik
05:06.24Cairennhugs the iShirik
05:13.23NeffiHow does one make a frame non-secure?
05:13.41NeffiWill removing attributes like 'unit' and '*type' make it so :Hide and :Show in combat no longer fails?
05:13.45Semlarforceinsecure
05:14.10Semlari'm pretty sure i saw that api function
05:14.38Semlarbut.. that might not do what i thought it did
05:15.11NeffiProbably better to just expose a flag so the core knows not to make it secure
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05:15.58Semlarhttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/forceinsecure i'm really not sure what this does
05:16.44NeffiThat's used by Blizz. When they're executing functions that belong to an addon or may have been hooked, they use that so the code absolutely does not get executed as secure/protected code.
05:17.02Semlarso you wouldn't use it for anything yourself
05:17.19NeffiIt would do nothing in addon code
05:18.26Semlarshould i flag this as internal
05:18.58NeffiProbably
05:19.16NeffiThere is no case where an addon can invoke that to have any effect
05:20.09Semlarshould i flag securecall while i'm at it
05:20.20Semlari'm assuming this also can't be used for anything
05:21.45Neffiyup
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05:32.37sintAckswhy does blizzard fail at coding
05:34.11Mr_Rabiesbecause slouken's now at valve
05:34.12Mr_Rabies:<
05:34.14Mr_Rabieswell
05:34.19Mr_Rabiesi'm glad for him
05:34.43Mr_Rabiesit's just obvious he did a ton of the ui stuff himself
05:35.19Mr_Rabiesthere was a lot more back-and-forth between authors and blizzard when he was working there, i think
05:39.07nevcairielNeffi: a frame is protected if its created from a parent frame that is flagged as protected, you cannot remove that
05:39.26nevcairiels/parent frame/frame template/
05:40.16NeffiYeah it made more sense for the core to support a flag allowing the config to declare itself insecure, than for the config to try and work against being protected
05:40.26NeffiSo already fixed
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06:44.00Fiskerhey nevcairiel
06:44.11Fiskerhaste_
06:44.14Fiskerhaet is being had
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07:04.02jnwhitehhrm what do we think will be more in demand
07:04.04jnwhitehtanks or healers
07:04.06jnwhitehin mop
07:04.14zenzioyes
07:04.28jnwhitehGnarfoz: fixed and pushed thank you
07:04.32nevcairielsince i'm a healer its usually tanks
07:04.42nevcairielbut my view may be biased!
07:04.56jnwhitehi prerfer to heal
07:04.59jnwhitehbut i suspect many do
07:05.00jnwhitehheh
07:05.26Neffiprefers to tank.
07:05.33nevcairieli like both
07:05.40nevcairielbut healer is my main, tank just an alt
07:05.53jnwhitehcheaper to buy digital or buy a box?
07:05.55nevcairieli just dislike dps :p
07:05.58zenzioI find healing to be just too difficult on my warrior, so I stick to tanking
07:07.03Fiskerpeople with lifetime spotify jnwhiteh
07:07.09Fiskerbox is always cheaper
07:07.13jnwhitehI dont have it
07:07.14jnwhitehyet
07:07.18jnwhitehalso, i doubt it'll be lifetime
07:07.20Fiskerbut then you have to like go to the store and shit
07:07.33Fiskeri'm waiting for my CE
07:07.41Fiskerbut the bastards didn't send it in time
07:07.45Fiskerso it'll probably be here wednesday
07:07.55jnwhitehi'm not sure where you go to buy games in stockholm
07:08.15Fiskerwell shit like gamestop still lives
07:08.24Fiskeryou can even get my copy when i get my CE
07:08.28Fiskerbut that'll take a few days
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07:09.23jnwhitehhehe no gamestop in stockholm
07:09.56jnwhitehor maybe there is
07:10.00Fiskerhttp://media.wow-europe.com/mop/launch-events/en/index.html?country=sweden&city=g%C3%B6teborg
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07:10.47zenziojnwhiteh: unless the Swedes are just damn crazy, there'll be dozens of stores that sell games, if not more, in such a large city
07:11.15Fiskera condition depending on swedes not being crazy
07:11.18Fiskernice going zenzio
07:11.19jnwhitehzenzio: yeah, i just dont know which ones =)
07:11.23jnwhitehbut they're all about £29 anyway
07:11.25jnwhitehwhich is the digital price
07:11.27jnwhitehso =)
07:11.57zenzioFisker: you're right :(
07:12.01Fiskeroh yeah jnwhiteh
07:12.03Fiskeryou get uk prices
07:12.05Fiskerscrew you
07:12.14Fiskeri'm calling blizzard and telling on you
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07:23.14jnwhitehoh..
07:23.15jnwhitehk
07:23.19jnwhitehi still pay with a UK credit card
07:23.36jnwhitehuntil i have a banking presence in Sweden, that'll stay
07:24.00Fiskeri once banked a presence in sweden too
07:24.10jnwhitehoh
07:24.15jnwhitehwas mop released last night
07:24.20jnwhitehor is it tonight at midnight?
07:24.46Cootetonight
07:24.51jnwhitehah
07:24.57Industrialmorning
07:25.03sidjiin 14.5 h
07:25.28zenziowhy didn't I remember to launch my launcher before leaving for work... I assume it'd be preloading now
07:25.58Fiskerit isn't
07:26.03Fiskerexpansion data was in the 5.0.4
07:26.05Fiskerpatch
07:26.09CooteGoing to resub in about 19 hours, as well as buy my copy. Begining to think it was a bad idea to wait until last minute to purchase a box. >.<
07:26.15bluspacecowcheck for expansion4.MPQ
07:26.24Fiskerwhy would anyone do that bluspacecow ?
07:26.24bluspacecowand data folder is about 20 GB
07:26.26zenzioalready then Fisker? Then the order page on bnet was misleading me :(
07:26.42bluspacecowmight be streaming it in still
07:26.48Fiskeri had lulz yesterday bluspacecow
07:27.08Fiskersomeone complained about being unable to buy MoP on Battle.net because he had a chargeback
07:27.29Fiskerbasically he thought he should be able to play and pay the game just fine because he doesn't want to play on those characters that had chargebacks anyway
07:27.32bluspacecowlol
07:27.46jnwhitehYour account will be upgrade to Cataclysm today (please allow 72 hours) and to Mists of Pandaria on 09/25/2012
07:28.03bluspacecowdid he not notice the "pai customers only" sing ?
07:28.12Fiskerpai?
07:28.14Fiskersing?
07:28.19Fiskeranyway
07:28.23bluspacecow>_<
07:28.24bluspacecowpaid!
07:28.36Fiskerturns out the "chargeback" was infact from back when there was an "exploit" with the dutch direct debit system
07:28.57Fiskerso basically he thought he could get it for free
07:29.15Fiskersucks that Blizzard didn't outright ban those accounts though
07:30.19Mr_RabiesFisker
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08:01.11Gnarfozjnwhiteh: no, thank you <3
08:01.51FiskerGnarfoz
08:05.16zenziofor some reason Shazam's page on the Android market app still insists on showing up in French for me
08:06.42Fiskerwhoop whoop jnwhiteh
08:06.43Fiskerjelly?
08:06.47FiskerJB update for SGS3 ready
08:07.02Fiskerdid you hl it zenzio ?
08:07.10zenziohl?
08:07.16Fiskeroh
08:07.22Fiskeryou mean the actual localized description
08:07.47zenzioyes
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08:38.08starlonSome people slam Miller Life. I slam V8 juice.
08:41.56starlonhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/23/mitt-romney-60-minutes-health-care_n_1908129.html
08:41.59starlon:/
08:42.47starlonEmergency rooms are for the uninsured.
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09:09.54NeffiThat kinda doesn't work since a visit to the emergency room is pretty fucking expensive
09:11.18starlonHe's saying screw the health care industry and refuse to pay.
09:11.29starlonThat's how it works now.
09:11.52starlonI'm not sure who ends up paying that.
09:12.18NeffiThe whole idea that's the free market should be providing affordable healthcare would be more attractive if it would work
09:12.52NeffiBut it's obvious our system of health insurance, free or not, only serves to jack up prices
09:15.33NeffiIs it a bug that so many things do not break stealth now?
09:15.43NeffiI can mount and hearth without breaking stealth
09:24.52IndustrialI was really bummed out coming back to wow and seeing the talents :|
09:25.21Industrialbeing one level or the other used to mean something! spec wise :<
09:27.12Maldiviastill does, there's a difference between level 89 and 90 for instance :)
09:28.18NeffiYou still get most of the old passives and abilities on a per-level basis
09:28.26NeffiYou just dont have to choose them anymore
09:28.46starlonI like this better. It's easier to manage between expansions and there's less uncertainty as to what in the world Blizzard's going to do with the talents to prevent players from specing too deep in multiple trees.
09:29.27starlons/too deep in/too deeply into/
09:34.33Industrialmeh it used to be fun to get ele talents for your enh shammy, or the other way around.
09:34.36IndustrialI think
09:36.38FiskerMaldivia
09:36.41Fiskerhey Industrial
09:40.11haste_<PROTECTED>
09:40.19Fiskerhaste
09:45.58Fiskernods
09:47.07starlonshakes his head.
09:47.45Fiskernods
09:49.10karl_w_wshakes Fisker's head
09:49.17Fiskernods
09:50.36karl_w_wdistends Fisker
09:50.54Industrialhey Fisker
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09:51.36IndustrialI want planetside 2 beta.
09:51.45Fiskeri don't
09:52.08Industrialmmofps at the right scale !
09:52.30hastelistening to Wing in the office :P
09:53.12Humbedoohis that half of Paul McCartneys band?
09:53.57karl_w_wif (IsInRaid() > 0) then
09:53.58karl_w_wderp
09:54.09nevcairiellooks fail
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09:59.31hasteHumbedooh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_(singer)
10:00.36Fiskerhey you haste
10:00.40Humbedoohso, not half of maccas band then ;\
10:00.45FiskerCan you intercept my package?
10:00.59Humbedoohsounds kinky
10:02.49Neffioh lord
10:02.50Neffihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqa-HYihaZo&feature=related
10:05.04starlonslays Neffi with sulfuras.
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10:39.56karl_w_wwhy doesnt my combat log have a tab that shows everything any more
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11:18.27Industrialhaste: rofl @ wing
11:18.43Industrialucraazzy
11:26.14hasteIndustrial: we have like 7 hours played so far :P
11:26.20haste16 albums on spotify!
11:27.03hasteWilliam Hung is another favorite of ours
11:34.19Industrialhttp://www.wimp.com/speedcamera/ awesome!
11:34.29Industrialalso, I want an electric skateboard.
11:34.38IndustrialFisker: wheres my money
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11:49.46Kraps2. FIGHT AT APPLE SUPPLIER FOXCONN
11:49.46KrapsA brawl involving as many as 2,000 employees shut down a factory in northern China for a day.
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12:32.54sintAcksyay. i have a ride home tonight
12:33.15sintAckstoo bad i have to be at the mall from 10pm to 12:00+timeToGetGameAndGTFO
12:33.32sintAcksi should go to bed
12:34.37bluspacecow*goes to bed with sintacks*
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12:50.59karl_w_wcelebrates Lopeppeppy
12:53.32bluspacecow<PROTECTED>
12:53.55LopeppeppyHappy monday, yaaaaay!  \o/
12:54.11bluspacecowdude
12:54.11bluspacecowhttp://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960757/robliefeld3
12:54.15bluspacecow#18 is lol
12:59.17LopeppeppyKinky
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13:27.55Arrowmasternow i know why its so cold in here, we turned the heater off in the summer and didnt turn it back on
13:28.01Fiskerdamnit Stanzilla
13:28.02Fiskerhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/6328/samsung-ssd-840-pro-256gb-review
13:28.10Fiskeri just bought a new ssd like a month ago :(
13:28.36Stanzilla:(
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13:28.45zenziowhy so bad timing Fisker
13:28.46StanzillaI just found 55 euros under a pillow
13:28.49Stanzillaepic win of the da
13:28.49Stanzillay
13:28.59Fiskeryeah Stanzilla
13:29.00sintAcksso what's the reasoning behind EU getting everything the day after NA
13:29.00zenzioStanzilla: was she satisfied?
13:29.12Stanzillazenzio: I was
13:29.13Fiskeryou'll say that until you go look yourself in a mirror and smile
13:29.25Fiskercleans bloody knuckles
13:29.58Fiskeri also just bought a bluray drive for no reason other than i'm getting the wow ce
13:30.10Fiskerso i might as well get the blu-ray before optical media is completely dead
13:31.23zenzioI don't think optical media will necessarily die; but I do think disc-based rotational storage medium will (not sure about HDDs though)
13:31.43zenziothere's something nice about not having your PC sound like it's trying to leave orbit when you insert a CD/DVD
13:32.15zenzioif I had to buy a game/program in physical form still, I'd pay extra to get it on a USB stick
13:34.33Fiskeryeah ok zenzio :P
13:35.21zenzioon the other hand, I haven't heard of any non-disc-based optical media for a long time... there *was* someone claiming to have a great thing going, but that must have been a decade ago, never heard of them since
13:39.05Fiskeryeah
13:39.15Fiskerheard of all that exciting holographic storage shit many years ago
13:39.18Fiskerthen nothing
13:44.53LopeppeppyWe stored many holograms!
13:45.16FiskerLopeppeppy
13:45.26Fiskerslaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout
13:46.18alestanehands Lopeppeppy a fileting knife.
13:47.27LopeppeppyFisker. Don't make me f you up this morning. I had to drive through 3 constructions, past two accidents, and almost drop kicked a school bus full of kindergarden kids out of my way. It will go poorly for you.
13:48.05Fiskeryou drove through 3 constructions? Now they have to start all over again :'(
13:48.19End_Lopeppeppy is out of control.
13:48.51LopeppeppyDamn straight they do, Fisker. With squished orange hazard cones.
13:49.07LopeppeppyRawr, End. I don't get grumpy too often, but when I do, kittens and puppies run.
13:49.41zenziopoor Kendra
13:50.14LopeppeppyShe knows when to not bother mommy, she's lived with me for 5 years.
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14:02.08LopeppeppyGee. It got awful quiet in here, Brain. What do you think everyone's thinking about?
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14:11.46LopeppeppyHmm. Noted.
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14:34.18ZaisterHello! I'd like to use Wowpedia's DarkVector skin in a private wiki I'm setting up. Would it be possible to get the files needed for that?
14:34.42TC-WorkShouldnt you be asking wowpedia?
14:35.24Zaistermaybe, I cane here since this channel was linked on the user page of the skin's creator
14:35.27Zaister*came
14:36.09ZaisterOK I see there is an appropriate channel, I will ask over there
14:36.34Zaistersorry to trouble you,
14:36.39TC-WorkNo worries
14:36.44Zaister:)
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14:37.00TC-WorkThat was kd3's fault wasnt it
14:38.05TC-Workhmm...maybe not
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14:58.50bluspacecowhere's an interesting question from a non addon programmer - is there anyway of telling in Lua if the zone you are in is CRZ'd?
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15:01.33Maldiviacheck nearby combat info for units not from your realm?
15:02.01bluspacecowwhat if no one's near you ? like EG you have _NPC Scan running and you're hunting a rare late server time
15:02.09Maldiviabut there probably is an api for it or something :)
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15:33.37sintAcksi can't sleep :(
15:33.50UnkleDrink lots of booze.
15:34.03sintAcksi don't have any
15:34.05sintAcksnor do i drink
15:34.46UnkleWell, then get the hell off your computer, turn off all the lights, and make the room as quiet as possible.  Your body will eventually do the rest.
15:36.28mikmamuch more simple thing to do is get out and do some heavy lifting for 8h+
15:36.48UnkleOr get laid.
15:37.00mikmaheavy lifting, 8h ;)
15:37.14kd3lol
15:37.34Lopeppeppylays Unkle upside the head with a 2x4
15:37.43UnkleThe massive release of neuro-chemicals during and after sex makes relaxation and sleep happen pretty easily.
15:38.09LopeppeppyPost-bounce naps are the bestest.
15:38.11Unklesleeps the sleep of the clue-by-foured.
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15:42.31karl_w_wI suspect if sintAcks could get laid he wouldnt be here :P
15:43.33LopeppeppySo why do I hang out here then?
15:43.38kd3^
15:44.48karl_w_wbecause we're just delightful people
15:46.05LopeppeppyBecause I still want to make better cookies than Slouken.
15:46.07zenzelezzdon't worry karl_w_w, you'll find someone eventually
15:46.26UnkleThis bed is on fire, with passionate love. The neighbors complain about the noises above.
15:47.10karl_w_wok guys time to start getting your daily quests done and ready to hand in :P
15:47.43zenzelezzmeh, screw that
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15:47.57zenzelezzcan't be bothered to jump around just to hand them all in
15:48.27karl_w_wim just doing the molten front and TB ones
15:48.45End_yeah I'm not going to bother with dailies either
15:48.56End_but I also probably won't play at all until midday tomorrow at earliest
15:49.13UnkleI've been doing dailies to finish up some old achievements and to collect casgh.
15:49.39karl_w_wyeah ive been doing the TB dailies anyway, to get marks for the pet
15:50.27UnkleYeah.  The fox kit?  I hadn't noticed it was added or I'd have been collecting those marks again sooner.
15:51.30pompyhttp://nerdreactor.com/2012/09/24/neurowears-new-prototype-the-shippo-tail/
15:52.07UnkleI pretty much stopped after getting the trinket, the mount and the seagull back in the day.
15:55.07Lopeppeppy... foxes....  *sniff*
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16:07.34Unklekitsune
16:16.23LopeppeppyMeeeeep. No fair.
16:17.26UnkleWhat is "no fair"?
16:18.30LopeppeppyAdding the best pet after I have desisted from the field.  :)
16:19.03UnkleJust when you thought you were out... they pull you back in.
16:19.24LopeppeppyNoooo. Cannot afford a new computer.  The evil meanies.
16:20.41Unklegive in... submit... you know you want to.
16:26.06Lopeppeppy*giggle snark*
16:28.29karl_w_wis anyone looking for a 1 night a week oceanic time zone raiding guild? :P
16:29.03karl_w_wpref tank/dps or dps
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16:35.17Krapsyheh, jaina has a gnome apprentice
16:36.22LopeppeppyOf course she does.
16:36.36karl_w_wbecause she's awesome
16:36.46Dagmar...and gnomes are recyclable.
16:37.00karl_w_wgnomes are the smartest of all races
16:37.14karl_w_wand only the smartest have the capacity to keep up with jaina
16:38.10Krapsyim listening to the jaina audiobook
16:40.27Krapsyahhh theres already 2 references to wow players
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16:44.15Krapsythere appropriate music at the end of each chapter
16:45.01karl_w_wooh i just remembered there's a daily hub in twilight highlands
16:45.50karl_w_wso i can hand in my molten front dailies, hearth to twilight highlands and hand those in, teleport to TB and hand those in, and be ahead of the curve!
16:47.46karl_w_wanyone know how much experience it takes to get 85->86?
16:49.31Krapsymmochamp had a list
16:50.10karl_w_wyeah i've been looking for it
16:51.50karl_w_w13000000
16:54.39UnkleYeah, the dailies?  Not going to make much of a dent.
16:56.34karl_w_w10% i reckon
16:56.43karl_w_wminimum by my rough maths
16:57.02karl_w_wnot bad for the 2 minutes spent to hand them in
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17:05.36Industrial08:55
17:10.44kd3oh, right. dailies
17:10.46kd3fires up wow
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17:12.32karl_w_w19 completed dailies and 1 completed weekly in my log, totalling 1,348,150 exp
17:13.02Krapsyhttp://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/237266-balence/
17:24.32pompyhttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s480x480/229585_500156630014340_932752186_n.jpg
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17:26.16karl_w_wthat was grinworthy pompy
17:29.21karl_w_wppl dont forget to buy a stack of the tomes for glyph + talent changes
17:32.49zenzelezztomes?
17:33.17karl_w_wtome of the clear mind
17:33.47karl_w_wmists's dust of disappearance
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17:37.45Krapsydamn i have a whole stack of those
17:38.06Krapsycouldnt figure out what "tomes" were
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17:38.51karl_w_wthe only tomes that are for glyph and talent changes :P
17:40.20Krapsynor being in beta this confused me :p
17:40.24Krapsynot*
17:42.49karl_w_wi didnt play beta either :P
17:43.31Krapsy:/
17:48.24Krapsyyeah jaina be joyful
17:51.36karl_w_wi tell u what, mage bombs with no target limit are amazing for soloing dungeons
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17:52.11pompythis is the worst time to hav ethe connnection issues cropping up again, ffs!!!
17:57.55pompyhttp://youtu.be/VclAGb-xRXk lol :O
18:01.51Krapsy"i be more scared of orgrimmar den da darkest voodoo dese days" :|
18:05.03Krapsyis there expanded media about the trolls themselves?
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18:18.57karl_w_whaha 25/25 quests, all with (Complete) next to them
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18:20.39karl_w_wMessage: ..\FrameXML\WorldMapFrame.lua line 1535:  attempt to concatenate a nil value
18:20.44karl_w_wso many blizzard bugs
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18:25.12NeffiUgh.
18:25.15TC-Workmm...daycare themed slaughterhouse
18:25.24NeffiI thought the CSC 1xx classes would be the end of the mundane. http://i.imgur.com/2108y.png
18:25.58NeffiIf somebody had told me the 211 classes would be the same "write this 5 min program, you got 3 weeks to do it" I'd've taken up my professors offer to challenge the course and skip it
18:26.30kd3if a prof says skip it, he's probably not trying to blow smoke up your ass
18:26.32Neffi3 weeks to write a BMI program, and we're not even learning how to do the forms by hand, we're using WYSIWYG
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18:27.18NeffiYeah but I figured "hell, it's free, and I've never done Visual C++ before". Didn't think this was the kinda thing that 5 min in Google would make me a master of.
18:27.52Ressylol
18:28.10RessyC# & C is more fun.
18:28.17NeffiThe class is actually bitching. Even the students that struggled in CSC 100 and can't quite get programming. They all feel like they're totally wasting a semester.
18:28.18Ressywithout that wysiwig shit
18:28.28kd3ah, boo. npcscan goes off and of course the TLPD is dead
18:28.37NeffiC is absolutely more fun. I have a harder time wrapping my head around all this abstraction. I'm afraid of breaking it.
18:28.44NeffiI feel more comfortable KNOWING what I'll break
18:29.15RessyI got used to breaking shit. Add a few debug lines and you're good.
18:29.28NeffiNot to mention you can probably master C in the time it takes you to get the hang of half of the 1.INF libraries in C++.
18:29.29kd3or just abstract the abstraction
18:29.31kd3that's always fun
18:30.00NeffiAbstracting abstraction is what I did with one of my WoW libraries. I was sorta cringing the whole time. "ANOTHER LAYER?"
18:30.51NeffiI love making my own abstractions. I hate working on top of other people's. I love getting their abstractions to work the way I want, but I can never feel comfortable knowing that it's code on top of code on top of code ad infinitum.
18:31.01PrimerAnyone know of a calendar export addon that works?
18:31.48karl_w_wNeffi: http://inception.davepedu.com/
18:31.56PrimerOr perhaps has experience with the calendar and could help me get this one addon CalendarExport, that hasn't seen development in 4 years, to export a guild calendar, say last, current, and next month's events?
18:32.16NeffiOn a sidenote, I must praise Thinksound again. Just got my replacement ts02s for the old ones I broke. Sound is fucking amazing for $80. Anyone wanting a terrific pair of IEMs/headphones and don't wanna spend $200, seriously check out Thinksound.
18:32.51kd3damn you, [Snowball]x4, damn you
18:32.53PrimerLast headphones I bought were Sennheisers for $30 and beats anything I ever heard
18:32.53kd3you're not a mount
18:33.06Neffikarl_w_w: lol. Just watched that last night. I loved the movie the first time around. 2nd time around, I couldn't help but notice how cheesy it comes off. Good story deserved a better movie.
18:33.29Krapsyis there expanded media about the trolls themselves
18:33.36NeffiI love Sennheisers. But I wanted good IEMs. For the price, the Thinksound was the best there was.
18:34.02Krapsywait shit
18:34.09Krapsyugh
18:34.36NeffiFuck all those people praising HiFiMan RE-0. They sound aenemic. Anyone who appreciates drums and bass deserves an IEM that doesn't butcher everything below the mids.
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18:37.45NeffiKrapsy: You talking about lore on the trolls? IIRC not much is known about their origins. I remember that either nelfs evolved from them or the other way around, but that that theory was controversial and probably not true.
18:38.34kd3the troll article on wowpedia sources most of the info blizz posted on the warcraft encyclopedia on the old site, which was mostly about trolls
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18:41.14karl_w_wdamn lag
18:41.31karl_w_was a great man once said, I haven't got time for this mickey mouse bullshit
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18:44.30Neffilol this is how im gonna hand this program in: http://i.imgur.com/06IH4.png
18:44.50Neffiwith appropriate lol's for the BMI
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18:47.23DridztPrimer: GroupCalendar exports to iCal I think (haven't used it in a while)
18:47.23PrimerDridzt: thanks
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18:50.30karl_w_wokay, 26/25 complete quests ready to go :P
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18:58.46Krapsymolten giants? kite them!
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19:13.38Mr_Rabiesargh
19:13.44Mr_Rabiesi wish we could do transcontinental rocket flights
19:13.53Mr_Rabieswaiting for boats sucks :(
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19:14.47alestaneI won't say that I've never cussed at a boat leaving the dock, but I'm amused that a boat that takes our toons to the other side of the world in 5 minutes is too damn slow.
19:14.57nevcairiellol
19:15.18Mr_Rabieswell
19:15.23Mr_Rabiesit's just the fact that it's timed
19:15.43Mr_Rabiesi'd rather be able to just queue up a flight, even if it took longer
19:15.48Mr_Rabiesi could just alt-tab out
19:15.52Mr_Rabiesand forget about it
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19:23.20Vladinator1Have I been hacked? 'The nickname "Vladinator" is already being used.'
19:23.32Maldiviaghost it
19:23.33nevcairielyes, we hacked you
19:23.36Dagmarlol
19:23.42kd3the ircd had a hiccup
19:23.44Vladinator1if I have been selling stuff on irc the last 3 hours it's not me :P
19:23.51kd3most of the channel got pinged out
19:23.52DagmarThe nick is free now
19:23.59DagmarIt was probably a ghost left over from the split
19:24.15Cairennbought Vladinator1's soul
19:24.22nevcairielfancy swag
19:24.23Krapsyare jaina and kalec in loooooooooooooooooooove??????????????????
19:24.31Vladinator1Vladinator1 you fraud!
19:24.44MaldiviaCairenn: must have been quite the bargain
19:25.06CairennYeah, got it really cheap, it was badly tarnished
19:26.26Maldivia... and suddently a picture of Sam Winchester / Supernatural flashed before my eyes :)
19:27.10nevcairielspeaking of supernatural, not long now until next season starts!
19:27.40Maldiviayay!
19:28.09Maldiviago destiel?! :)
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19:35.43alestaneis having a woeful time of trying to concentrate on work.
19:35.57kd3hm. need to find 4 more dailies
19:36.29TC-Workalestane: try harder?
19:38.08foxlitwhy just 4, kd3?
19:38.22kd3my quest log's at 21/25
19:38.36DagmarIsle of Free Money
19:38.38Maldiviaohh right, mop is tonight
19:38.55foxlit"Your estimated delivery date is: Thursday, September 27, 2012"
19:39.02DagmarYes at approximately 2am CST I'm going to be poised over the forums to soak up all the suffering.
19:39.14Dagmar'OMG WE PAID MONEY WAI CAN'T I LOGIN!"
19:39.20Dagmar*Delicious*
19:39.34kd3hm. I should find out when my shipment's supposed to get here
19:39.50nevcairielexpansion launches without the need to relog, so at least the login servers should not be a problem
19:39.54End_all I know is mine shipped and is supposed to arrive tomorrow
19:40.08End_ups won't tell me anything more
19:40.33DagmarSo... at midnight the new troll is that people should relog for the new content to appear
19:40.42Dagmar...at which point they'll be taking the queue in the face.  :)
19:41.06nevcairielhavent seen a queue on this realm in ages, i wonder if it will really happen
19:41.18Vladinator1Cairenn: sorry for not talking much, came from work :p tired and making food!
19:41.23DagmarEight million people don;'t often login at the same time
19:41.34Cairennhehehe, no worries, I was just goofing around :)
19:41.34kd3but they do on launch day
19:41.41DagmarYep.
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19:42.15nevcairieljust have to avoid login during rush hour (afternoon/early evening)
19:42.26nevcairielwas the only time there really was a queue last expansion
19:42.30DagmarWell, that'll be easy since midnight is neither of those
19:42.32Krapsydamn this book is making me sad
19:42.40kd3Delivery Estimate: Tuesday September 25, 2012; Shipping Soon
19:42.41kd3hm
19:42.47Krapsyand theramore wasnt even attacked yet
19:42.53Dagmarkd3: You did digitally order, right?
19:43.01kd3nah, got the CE from amazon
19:43.02nevcairielin the grand scheme of things, i dont think the majority of people do midnight release
19:43.27Dagmarkd3: Hmm... Well, I suppose it won't distract from your enjoyment of hte suffering on the forums then
19:43.33dridzt76I got the regular edition from Amazon, estimated deliver Oct 1 :D
19:43.43dridzt76delivery*
19:43.50kd3ah, nah. I'm quite ready to enjoy the schadenfreude
19:44.05Dagmarnevcariel: I do them just to enjoy the cries of spoiled children.
19:44.19DagmarI really, really mean that.
19:46.57Vladinator1why isn't my curse ticket serviced yet? http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/3239-rss-features/ :(
19:47.29nevcairielwait another 2 years, then you have earned the right to complain =P
19:47.34Vladinator1ok!
19:47.42Vladinator1(it's a feature request not complaint :D)
19:48.06nevcairieli meant complain about your ticket not being serviced
19:48.39foxlit<PROTECTED>
19:49.03nevcairielVladinator1: you do know that there are rss feeds, right?
19:49.18Vladinator1even if there are I didn't find them at all :P
19:49.42nevcairielhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/bartender4/tickets.rss .. http://www.wowace.com/addons/bartender4/comments.rss
19:49.52nevcairielat least those two should cover some of your needs =p
19:49.55nevcairieljust adjust project path
19:49.59Vladinator1that I know
19:50.26Vladinator1sadly no combined feed, but I am aware of those ;)
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19:57.10Krapsyjaina and kalec are in loooooooooooooooooooove
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20:15.41IndustrialShould I call my monk "Highonchi" ?
20:16.59kd3damn it, why'd the bag give me a spirit staff
20:17.00kd3grrs
20:17.27nevcairielwant to trade against the hit staff?
20:17.29Dagmarkd3: It gave me a _polearm_
20:17.51DagmarI should look and see if it can even drop a gun, and if so, what model it uses.
20:18.17kd3http://www.wowpedia.org/Spoils_of_Theramore
20:18.33Industrialow even better! chibong!
20:18.43Industrialchi-gong, get it GHEGHEGHE
20:19.45DagmarHoly crap ther'es no +hit on it
20:19.55DagmarHow are hunters supposed to use a weapon unless they're way, way over the hit cap?
20:20.11DagmarI'm at like 10.84%
20:20.27kd3I've been reforging away from hit since I started playing again
20:20.36kd3http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/medivh/Kaydeethree/advanced
20:20.51DagmarThat's _after_ reforging all the hit out
20:21.12foxlitDagmar: it's not progression gear
20:21.17DagmarI haven't been below 9% hit practically since before the troll instances came back
20:21.41foxlitor, wait, thatwasn'twhatyouweretalkingabout
20:21.44Dagmarfoxlit: I don't even care about +hit until it's time for raiding
20:22.11foxlitdon't you have normalized hit now?
20:22.23foxlitno more free rides, stack your 17% sort of deal?
20:23.04DagmarNot that I'm aware of.  I'd assume that needing a different value than 8% hit would be something that would be mentioned in the change notes
20:23.27kd3I don't think there was anything in the patch notes about how caster hit went from 17% to 15%
20:23.49foxlitI googled my way to http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4544194
20:25.20foxlitbut even that isn't clear on what's going on with hunters. They say they're liable to a 7.5% dodge chance on ranged attacks vs +3, but they never list the base ranged miss rate.
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20:27.25DagmarYeah I keep seeing mentions of expertise, but Hunters aren't melee
20:27.34DagmarI'm not sure I *could* hit someone with that polearm
20:27.44foxlitbut you'll now benefit from expertise, since it'll reduce ranged dodge
20:28.39DagmarI find it a little weak that they're saying hunters will have expertise on their gear, but they didn't bother to reitemize a damn thing
20:29.33nevcairielwill have, not do have =P
20:30.02DagmarI can only hope they'll get around to it, since we lost a slot entirely (as did mages I think)
20:30.17nevcairieleveryone lost their range slot
20:30.18kd3all characters lost the ranged slot. mage wands are now one-hand
20:30.24kd3guns/bows are 2h
20:30.39DagmarIt never stopped us from toting around a stat baton before.
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20:31.29Dagmar...unless maybe I'm being thick and should be shopping around for whatever passes for an off-hand item nowadays
20:31.53nevcairielguns/bows are 2h, no offhand with that
20:31.54foxlitthey did reitemize ranged weapons.
20:31.57DagmarDual-weild has practically always been the way to be 3-5% below the guy with the two-hander
20:33.39foxlitso now your stat stick, insofar as anyone is supposed to have one, is folded into your bow.
20:34.50DagmarAh... Finally tracked down the old stats on wowpedia
20:35.22Dagmar...which explains why my hit was higher than even I remembered it.
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20:40.15PrimerCan anyone elaborate on http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CalendarGetEventInfo ? It doesn't specify what needs to be called to set the "selected calendar event"
20:40.36TC-Workhow do i remove 1 or many newlines in a file via linux cli?
20:40.56PrimerI've tried CalendarOpenEvent() as well as CalendarGetDayEvent()...neither seem to work
20:41.08PrimerTC-Work: sed?
20:41.09RessyDamn.. anyone watching the livestream?
20:41.11Ressyhttp://www.youtube.com/warcraft
20:41.21nevcairieli am
20:41.26TC-WorkPrimer: As far as i can tell, it can not be done in place
20:41.28PrimerTC-Work: sed -i file -e 's/\n//g'
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20:42.40TC-WorkPrimer: nope
20:42.56Primer"You're doing in wrong(ly)"
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20:43.59TC-WorkPrimer: i followed what you did exactly, but the file still has the newlines
20:44.16Primertry double quotes
20:44.32TC-Worknope
20:44.37Primerheh, is this GNU sed?
20:44.58PrimerI do shit like this all the time
20:45.12TC-WorkI have no idea what kind of sed
20:45.25Primermaybe newlines are special and sed treats it differently
20:45.35TC-Workyes, GNU sed
20:45.59Industrialpandazen
20:46.06Primerwell, you said Linux, so it's definitely GNU sed
20:46.32End_you
20:46.34End_blah
20:47.09End_often regular expressions are applied to each line, which is probably where your problem comes from
20:47.25nevcairielyeah sed is a line-based tool
20:47.38TC-Workonly thing i found that worked was sed '/^$/d' but i had to recreate the file
20:47.46TC-Workeg. foo > bar
20:47.47End_you could try tr -d '\n' < blah
20:47.49Primer-i file == in place
20:49.43TC-WorkEnd_: that didnt modify the file
20:49.59PrimerWhen all else fails, use perl?
20:50.01Primerheh
20:50.17Primerperl -pi "s/\n//g" file
20:50.19TC-Worktried that as well
20:50.25Primercan never remember if it's p or n
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20:50.30TC-Workp is correct
20:51.41Primerperl -pi -e "s/\n//g" file
20:51.44Primeror something
20:51.47TC-Workyea
20:52.04TC-Workmy other perl one did the trick, but now i have to make it do just empy lines
20:52.40TC-Work/^\n$/ seemsto have worked
20:52.42Vladinator130 min queue for a dungeon... oh boy
20:52.45Vladinator1(I am the healer :P)
20:52.50TC-Workthough i suspect it is rather ugly
20:52.56TC-Workseems to*
20:53.06foxlitVladinator1: everyone has you on ignore, LFG can't find you a group? :)
20:53.23Vladinator1I like how people tab to Vladinator1 first ;D
20:53.33Vladinator1he isn't even online on my end :D lol
20:53.41foxlitthat's your current nick.
20:53.44foxlitSay hi.
20:53.50Vladinator1really? it says Vladinator on my end :P
20:53.50Vladinator1sec
20:54.10Primerquick, everyone /part!
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20:54.32Vladinatortest, test, 123
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20:55.25Vladinatordid it work?
20:55.30TC-Workyes
20:55.33Primercrickets...
20:55.41foxlitTC-Work: sssh, "no"!
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21:02.50jtv|Hi, anyone able to help me with startip2 ?
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21:06.37DagmarWhy did they recently post about how to pronounce Pandaria?
21:06.49DagmarApparently because Mercer can fuck it up over and over.
21:07.01zenzelezzit's pretty stupid really
21:07.11zenzelezzScholomance survived for years
21:07.36Dagmar...and now it's filled with pudding?
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21:13.49zenzelezzWorld server is down.
21:13.52zenzelezzI need to leave Stormwind
21:14.25nevcairielbut stormwind has the entrance to pandaria =p
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21:17.23nevcairielnow mine died too
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21:22.49PrimerI really don't get these calendar functions. Some expect a "day offset", meaning I don't have to know if -10 lands in the previous month, whereas others expect a "day", which presumably means that I must know if -10 now is in the previous month
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21:23.56Arrowmasteri have found the most annoying weapon in borderlands2
21:24.14Arrowmasterit is called bane
21:24.18PrimerSo it seems that to iterate over the calendar events one must jump through quite a number of hoops
21:24.26Arrowmasterand it is cursed
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