| 00:01.04 | Vladinator | I still remember the quest that "rewarded" http://www.wowhead.com/item=1217 :P |
| 00:01.29 | Vladinator | finding a treasure in westfall, the reward was unknown so they used that item on the quest log hehe ^^ |
| 00:01.47 | kd3 | ah, memories |
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| 00:04.47 | TC-Work | anyone know who to print out keybinds cli linux? |
| 00:04.49 | TC-Work | how* |
| 00:06.32 | mckenziemc | maybe |
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| 00:25.05 | Unkle | station |
| 00:26.57 | Dagmar | What? Keybinds? |
| 00:27.29 | alestane | Feeling any better, Unkle? |
| 00:27.56 | Dagmar | TC-Work: They're basically all vt52 codes but http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/keyboard-shortcuts-for-bash-command-shell-for-ubuntu-debian-suse-redhat-linux-etc/ |
| 00:28.10 | Unkle | alestane: I'm tanked up on advil and dayquil, so awake but not /better/. |
| 00:28.18 | Unkle | Thanks for asking |
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| 00:35.36 | TC-Work | Dagmar: uh, thats just a listm, i want to see keybinding linkages. eg. if i press F4 what happens |
| 00:35.42 | TC-Work | list* |
| 00:36.53 | Dagmar | Mainly, nothing. |
| 00:37.11 | Dagmar | F-keys aren't bound the shell |
| 00:37.56 | TC-Work | what i said cli i mean i want to do a 'cat' or other command to see them, not to know what the shell keybinds are |
| 00:38.00 | TC-Work | when i* |
| 00:38.14 | TC-Work | like show-keybinds |
| 00:38.15 | Dagmar | Well, there's always the bash source code. |
| 00:38.15 | TC-Work | etc. |
| 00:38.35 | TC-Work | right, but they can be changed via gnome or kde gui keybinds |
| 00:38.44 | TC-Work | somewhere that has to be saved that i should be able to access |
| 00:38.55 | Dagmar | That would be stuff superceding them |
| 00:39.33 | TC-Work | I really have to look through source code? there is no file that holds the links? |
| 00:39.42 | TC-Work | seems rather anti-linux |
| 00:40.14 | Dagmar | When you press a key in say, gnome terminal, first X has at it. If it has no plans for it, it's passed along to either the DE or the terminal window (assuming one has focus) and they get their shot at it. Finally, if nothing is interested enough to intervene, it's passed through the terminal app and handed to the shell |
| 00:40.32 | Dagmar | There's multiple layers of things involved. |
| 00:40.47 | TC-Work | ok, i'll go googling for x then |
| 00:40.52 | Dagmar | There's no way for say, bash to know what all the other keybinds are because it's not one app like in Windows with cmd.exe |
| 00:41.07 | Dagmar | It's a bunch of apps working in series, basically |
| 00:41.51 | Dagmar | Some things certain types of apps aren't allowed to bind (although it can be done it's horrible practice and wrong) |
| 00:42.28 | Dagmar | I'm not sure there's formal docs on that available outside of some really old UNIX books |
| 00:42.36 | Dagmar | ..and some really arcane X11R6 specs |
| 00:43.17 | Dagmar | Usually you just stumble across pockets of the info, like why f@#king DirectX doesn't believe in F13-F24. |
| 00:44.55 | Dagmar | Nothing's much what it appears to be at first... especially the way the keyboard works through X |
| 00:45.20 | Dagmar | They ain't even keys... they're sort of the ideal of keys and X treats them as key "symbols" |
| 00:45.27 | Dagmar | Sort of like Unicode isn't letters. |
| 00:49.38 | Vladinator | weird but Interface\Icons\INV_Hammer_01 is missing now? :P |
| 00:50.12 | Vladinator | nvm, it's there |
| 00:50.17 | Vladinator | but appears green blergh! |
| 00:50.38 | TC-Work | ok, thanks Dagmar |
| 00:51.03 | Vladinator | fix'd |
| 00:51.07 | Vladinator | thanks Dagmar |
| 00:51.11 | Dagmar | TC-work: Despair... http://www.x.org/releases/current/doc/man/man3/XkbKeyTypesForCoreSymbols.3.xhtml |
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| 00:59.24 | Semlar | sup |
| 01:01.53 | TC-Work | Dagmar: Hard to despair when you can't even follow along. |
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| 01:05.23 | Vladinator | http://i.imgur.com/pGidB.jpg |
| 01:05.25 | Vladinator | nice error ey? :D |
| 01:05.35 | Vladinator | joined scenario :p |
| 01:08.35 | Semlar | well why did you leave your talents behind |
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| 01:25.53 | Vladinator | at least it's not a taint issue, hehe |
| 01:28.11 | Sintacks | I had that error yesterday, Vladinator |
| 01:28.27 | Vladinator | sweet. first time getting it :3 |
| 01:28.28 | Adys | Shirik: stupid c++ question; I have an enum and I need to serialize a value from that enum into a config file (xml in this case) |
| 01:28.33 | Adys | how do I do this sensibly? |
| 01:30.23 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 01:30.38 | Vladinator | use PHP it supports serialize() with any object |
| 01:30.48 | Adys | hilarious |
| 01:30.52 | Vladinator | :P |
| 01:31.12 | Adys | my first instinct was to treat it as an int |
| 01:31.15 | Adys | /home/adys/src/qt/juffed/src/app/JuffEd.cpp:1357:98: error: invalid conversion from ‘int’ to ‘MainSettings::BoolKey’ [-fpermissive] |
| 01:31.27 | Adys | i get that when deserializing |
| 01:31.53 | Vladinator | maybe one has to write their own (un)serialization function for enums? |
| 01:32.06 | Vladinator | but I don't know, don't code in C that often :( |
| 01:32.22 | A-KO | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB20wNaFYFA < The internet delivers. Valve Movie Maker + Gangnam Style |
| 01:33.07 | Shirik | Adys: You don't do it sensibly |
| 01:33.14 | Shirik | However, an enum can degrade gracefully into an int |
| 01:33.37 | Shirik | When deserializing, you have to cast to the enum |
| 01:33.44 | Shirik | static_cast<MainSettings::BoolKey>(var) |
| 01:33.57 | Shirik | you cannot legally implicitly turn an int into an enum type |
| 01:34.26 | Primer | surely there's an overloaded operator that already does this? |
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| 01:34.45 | Shirik | what? |
| 01:34.48 | Primer | Isn't that the point of C++? |
| 01:34.55 | Adys | thanks Shirik |
| 01:35.00 | Shirik | Your statement makes no sense Primer |
| 01:35.09 | Vladinator | A-KO :3 |
| 01:35.13 | Primer | How not? |
| 01:35.23 | Shirik | it is a Very Bad Thing™ to do an implicit conversion from int to an enum |
| 01:35.48 | Shirik | it would allow a ton of implicit conversions that are obviously not what you wanted to do |
| 01:36.02 | Shirik | it would be legal to implicitly turn one enum type into another |
| 01:36.15 | Shirik | it would be legal to implicitly turn ANY enum type into ANY other |
| 01:36.48 | Primer | Sounds overly complicated... |
| 01:37.24 | Shirik | no |
| 01:37.32 | Primer | I was just thinking in terms of operator overloading |
| 01:37.32 | Shirik | what's overly complicated is people trying to do everything implicit in C++ |
| 01:37.49 | Shirik | don't break the benefits C++ gives you |
| 01:38.14 | Shirik | if the compiler doesn't let you do something implicitly, it's because it doesn't have enough info to trust what you're doing is sane |
| 01:38.20 | Primer | where you have a class and you create an operator and then operate from one primitive into your class |
| 01:38.42 | Primer | seeing that MainSettings::BoolKey appears to be an object property |
| 01:38.54 | Shirik | It's not, it's an enumeration type |
| 01:39.37 | Vladinator | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxIMzSjunE4 |
| 01:41.22 | Shirik | btw Adys |
| 01:41.49 | Adys | yes dear? |
| 01:41.49 | Shirik | the reason I say this is not sensible is because it requires that you only ever add to that enum in the future |
| 01:42.01 | Adys | why? |
| 01:42.07 | Adys | well |
| 01:42.08 | Adys | i get why |
| 01:42.12 | Shirik | any other changes would invalidate your serialization |
| 01:42.24 | Shirik | unlike Java's which actually records what the actual value is |
| 01:43.01 | Adys | in this case its an acceptable risk, as anything removed from the enum will invalidate some other files already |
| 01:43.18 | Adys | just adding a frustratingly missing feature to juffed |
| 01:45.32 | znf | Anyone uses ArenaJunkies? If yes, anyone knows why it says I can't reply to a specific topic? |
| 01:47.05 | Cairenn|afk | Ackis: >.< |
| 01:52.33 | Cairenn|afk | Ackis: Are you really surprised though? |
| 01:55.33 | Shirik | Wow, United has really intelligent computers |
| 01:55.36 | Shirik | I am impressed |
| 01:55.50 | Shirik | So I cancelled a flight 2 days ago that was a refundable ticket. Today I booked a new flight |
| 01:56.10 | Shirik | Rather than refunding me (which I was told could take 2 weeks, whatever) it applied my refund towards the new flight and only charged me $17 (the difference between the two) |
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| 02:04.16 | kd3 | huh. there's blue drakes over stormwind |
| 02:05.08 | kd3 | oh, it's for tarecgosa |
| 02:09.21 | Shirik | ~lart kd3 |
| 02:09.21 | purl | chops kd3 in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 02:11.41 | Shirik | OMG |
| 02:11.45 | Shirik | ios 6 is tonight isn't it?! |
| 02:12.07 | Shirik | has turned into an iphone fanboi |
| 02:12.11 | Shirik | feels bad |
| 02:12.12 | Shadowed | wat |
| 02:12.16 | Shadowed | no |
| 02:12.17 | Shadowed | 19th |
| 02:12.20 | Shirik | wat |
| 02:12.26 | Shirik | :< |
| 02:12.41 | Shirik | 19th at midnight? |
| 02:13.05 | Shadowed | I dunno |
| 02:13.09 | Shadowed | I just know the 19th |
| 02:18.02 | starlon | I haven't seen any gold sellers advertising in game since I've been back. |
| 02:18.14 | starlon | What did Blizzard do? |
| 02:18.25 | starlon | Or did they give up? |
| 02:23.32 | End_ | I've seen a few |
| 02:23.47 | End_ | mostly bnet invite spam |
| 02:24.06 | Shirik | invites End_ |
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| 02:29.54 | Semlar | when i grow up i want to be a diplomat |
| 02:30.40 | Semlar | just kidding, i want to be a dictator |
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| 02:55.50 | pompy1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpZhZAr1cQU |
| 02:56.13 | pompy1 | actually, more of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C_963ki4eA&feature=related |
| 03:00.13 | mckenziemc | pompy1 |
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| 03:05.48 | pompy1 | yes, mckenziemc ? |
| 03:07.29 | pompy1 | any west coasters have bl2 preordered on steam? |
| 03:07.44 | pompy1 | go to its store page, how long till it unlocks does it say |
| 03:08.25 | mckenziemc | butt lust 2? |
| 03:09.10 | pompy1 | weirdo. |
| 03:10.50 | pompy1 | bl2 unlocked in 1 hour |
| 03:12.57 | znf | I'm so annoyed by the nightly server restarts |
| 03:13.03 | znf | I GOT DUNGEONS TO DO, BIATCH! >_< |
| 03:16.07 | mckenziemc | restarts znf |
| 03:16.23 | znf | and Kazzak takes like 10 minutes to restart... |
| 03:23.47 | znf | and the world server is still down *sigh* |
| 03:25.29 | Thunder_Child | znf: play something else? |
| 03:25.35 | znf | nope |
| 03:25.40 | znf | got dungeons to do! |
| 03:25.44 | Thunder_Child | then stop QQ'ing |
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| 03:27.50 | znf | I'm QQ-ing because there seems to be a restart every night |
| 03:27.55 | znf | and it's starting to annoy me :P |
| 03:27.57 | kd3 | aw |
| 03:28.07 | kd3 | better that it happens before launch and not after |
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| 03:38.54 | kd3 | well, they didn't move the theramore teleport |
| 03:41.56 | pompy1 | Parnic: but theres still 20 mins! |
| 03:42.10 | nebula169 | theramore doesn't get perma blown up until 5.1 i think |
| 03:42.35 | kd3 | unless you did the scenario, in which case the phase has already changed for you |
| 03:42.42 | kd3 | doesn't see old-theramore any more |
| 03:42.53 | nebula169 | ah, thought they said that wouldn't happen until later |
| 03:43.35 | kd3 | whether or not you did the scenario, they'll change it in for everyone 5.1. as soon as you do the scenario, they'll change it for you |
| 03:43.53 | nebula169 | ahso |
| 03:46.22 | Parnic | pompy1: what? |
| 03:47.12 | pompy1 | bl2, heh. |
| 03:47.22 | Parnic | buy it on steam? |
| 03:47.44 | pompy1 | guess valve is unlocking it according to east coast midnight |
| 03:47.49 | pompy1 | odd, butc ool |
| 03:48.24 | Parnic | i feel kinda bad for torchlight 2. not sure why they chose this friday to release |
| 03:48.33 | pompy1 | yeah very weird |
| 03:48.50 | Parnic | our season pass is third in 'top sellers' behind tl2. poor guys. |
| 03:48.52 | pompy1 | and they announced release only 3 weeks before iut |
| 03:48.56 | Parnic | right |
| 03:48.56 | pompy1 | it* |
| 03:49.09 | Parnic | they're going up against WoW Mists and BL2. *shrug* okay then |
| 03:49.54 | pompy1 | how much do you think the 4 dlc will cost individually , total wise, separate from the season pass cost.. |
| 03:49.57 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: send me an ultimate loot box, i had to order a deluxe instead but amazon wont deliever it till next week |
| 03:50.01 | Parnic | $10/ea, $40 total |
| 03:50.09 | pompy1 | k so $10 savings |
| 03:50.12 | Parnic | Arrowmaster: i only have one to my name :P |
| 03:50.39 | Arrowmaster | if you can get another will you get it for me? |
| 03:50.51 | Parnic | i can't get another. those things sold out a very long time ago |
| 03:50.56 | Parnic | did you buy an x360 copy? |
| 03:51.01 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 03:51.15 | Parnic | k. best i can do is a steam key. sorry. |
| 03:51.30 | Arrowmaster | dont have a pc that would run it currently |
| 03:52.16 | Arrowmaster | what about a gamestop dlc code? |
| 03:52.19 | Parnic | https://twitpic.com/avtz2b <- gamestop near our office right now |
| 03:52.27 | Parnic | i only have steam codes, nobody else |
| 03:53.31 | Arrowmaster | so whos to blame for making the loot box so limited? |
| 03:53.33 | xyphoid | i was all psyched for bl2 and then ftl came out and it's fallen off my radar now |
| 03:53.51 | Arrowmaster | i couldnt even get ftl to run on this laptop |
| 03:54.14 | Parnic | "to blame"? we honestly didn't think it would sell like it did, but basically all 50k of them have to be hand-packaged and the bobbleheads have to manufactured, etc. etc. |
| 03:54.22 | Parnic | so it's just sort of a "we can only make so many" type of thing |
| 03:54.51 | Parnic | xyphoid: they're completely different types of games :P. FTL looks great, though |
| 03:54.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah im kicking myself over not preordering one on the only day they were available |
| 03:55.24 | Arrowmaster | but the preorder bonuses for different stores werent announced yet so i wasnt sure which store i was going to preorder from |
| 03:55.43 | Parnic | i fought the gamestop pre-order so hard but it didn't matter. can't stand gamestop |
| 03:55.47 | Arrowmaster | that or it wasnt clear that gamestop was the only one with preorder bonuses |
| 03:58.15 | Arrowmaster | its been almost an hour now and ddrescue hasnt gotten anything else off this hdd, i guess im going to have to give up and declare it dead and unrecoverable soon |
| 04:01.17 | Dagmar | You're using it in "read backwards, carefully" mode and it' snot getting any reads done? |
| 04:01.18 | kd3 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f4919b987322e654b84ced27f3ec838f.jpg |
| 04:01.26 | kd3 | points at the minimap |
| 04:01.32 | Dagmar | It's slow, but not THAT slow. If it's not reading anything, it's _dead_ |
| 04:02.18 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i did one pass going backwards with --no-split |
| 04:02.32 | Arrowmaster | it got 174190MB |
| 04:03.10 | Dagmar | So what happened when you tried to fsck the image file? |
| 04:03.12 | Arrowmaster | now im doing another backwards pass using --direct and -r1 and its been 55minutes and its still at 174190MB |
| 04:03.36 | Arrowmaster | its an image of the entire disk, using lvm2 |
| 04:03.46 | Arrowmaster | i cant fsck it |
| 04:03.50 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 04:03.53 | Thunder_Child | Parnic: If it's not optimized by now i am going to be seriously annoyed |
| 04:04.18 | Dagmar | Hmm... I guess you could point pvs at it and see what happens |
| 04:04.30 | Dagmar | I've never used those tools on flat files before. *should* work |
| 04:04.45 | Arrowmaster | im actually not using an image file but copying to another disk directly |
| 04:04.58 | Arrowmaster | but the disk had 2 partitions, and one was lvm2 |
| 04:05.15 | Parnic | Thunder_Child: optimized? |
| 04:05.21 | Arrowmaster | so i would have to reconstruct the partition table first, then the lvm2 data |
| 04:05.21 | Thunder_Child | Parnic: yes |
| 04:05.25 | Parnic | meaning? |
| 04:05.34 | xyphoid | Parnic: oh sure i'll play it, just might be delayed a few days heh |
| 04:05.36 | Thunder_Child | Parnic: the one i played was not |
| 04:05.37 | xyphoid | until i burn out |
| 04:05.39 | Neffi | O(n^n^n) |
| 04:05.48 | Neffi | _optimized_ |
| 04:05.57 | Kaylin | oh that looks fun |
| 04:06.10 | Parnic | Thunder_Child: yeah i don't understand what you're saying :). optimized how? for what? |
| 04:06.14 | Thunder_Child | bl2 chugged on a 680 |
| 04:06.16 | nebula169 | big oooooooh no. |
| 04:06.32 | Parnic | with physx on high? |
| 04:06.35 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:06.41 | Parnic | yeah, it'll do that. put physx on medium |
| 04:06.41 | Thunder_Child | everything maxed |
| 04:06.46 | Parnic | 'high' is too many particles anyway, imo |
| 04:07.08 | Thunder_Child | I hate games that do that |
| 04:07.23 | Neffi | Some day we'll have a quantum physics processor that can model reality in realtime |
| 04:07.23 | Thunder_Child | Let bring out a game you cant play on max for a few years |
| 04:07.27 | Neffi | dreams. |
| 04:07.31 | starlon | I have a hunter friend and she loaned me some gold. I want to repay her with some xmog she'd like. Some boe or craftable. I'm an engineer, so maybe there's something there? |
| 04:07.32 | Thunder_Child | Lets* |
| 04:08.01 | starlon | Just hoping someone knows offhand. |
| 04:08.05 | Parnic | i'm recommending physx medium whether you're playing the game now or 10 years from now. it's literally too much crap on the screen. i'm not coming from a performance standpoint |
| 04:08.43 | Thunder_Child | I always thought that was part of the fun |
| 04:09.13 | Thunder_Child | I am going to miss the weapon spawning button though :( |
| 04:09.36 | Parnic | when did you play it? |
| 04:09.46 | Thunder_Child | A few months ago |
| 04:09.55 | Parnic | @gbx or something? |
| 04:09.59 | Thunder_Child | At work |
| 04:09.59 | Parnic | or a demo? |
| 04:10.07 | Parnic | oh right, i remember who you are now :P |
| 04:10.13 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 04:10.18 | Parnic | lol, hi. |
| 04:10.29 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 04:10.31 | Thunder_Child | Yes, hi |
| 04:10.38 | Parnic | hides |
| 04:10.59 | Thunder_Child | well, i suppose you have an excuse |
| 04:11.12 | Thunder_Child | in the realm of 20 hour days getting this ready |
| 04:15.24 | Arrowmaster | Parnic: so hows colonial marines coming along? |
| 04:15.26 | Parnic | ah jeez...steam's error page just lit up with crashes |
| 04:15.39 | Parnic | Arrowmaster: meh, i don't go downstairs very often. doing post-release bl2 support |
| 04:18.08 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: i may let this drive cooldown for the night and see what happens, ive had heat do weird things to failing drives before |
| 04:26.01 | Adys | hearing an opengl dev figure out "Oh, right, it's triangles" |
| 04:26.09 | Adys | http://i.imgur.com/OhxjA.png |
| 04:28.04 | kd3 | o_O |
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| 04:56.12 | kd3 | wtf; an airsoft claymore? |
| 04:56.30 | kd3 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0037MH646 |
| 04:58.27 | Thunder_Child | slightly more realistic wargames that paintball? |
| 04:58.37 | Thunder_Child | granted, they have paintball claymores as well |
| 04:59.08 | Thunder_Child | than paintball* |
| 04:59.53 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster: did you pick up the Halo 4 CE? or was that one of the games you dont play? |
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| 05:09.44 | Ackis | poor Parnic |
| 05:10.02 | Neffii | It's not possible to faction change + server transfer for one cost, right? |
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| 05:12.45 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: yeah halo 4 CE is preordered |
| 05:14.52 | Ackis | I pre-ordered Halo 4 CE just for the avatar item :( |
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| 05:15.57 | Unkle | So what you're saying is "I'm a sucker for digital exclusives." Join the crowd. |
| 05:16.21 | Ackis | yup :( |
| 05:16.25 | Ackis | they get me every time |
| 05:16.56 | Unkle | Hey, I just blew my in-wow net worth for the power to turn into a dragon, so.. yeah |
| 05:17.26 | Neffii | You're not on Korgath, are you? |
| 05:17.49 | Ackis | if Korgath is your mom then yes heis |
| 05:17.55 | Ackis | <-- mature |
| 05:18.01 | Unkle | Me? No. I'm on Kirin Tor - US |
| 05:20.11 | starlon | I wish I could have dual guilds. |
| 05:20.22 | starlon | So I could have a casual and a raiding guild on my main. |
| 05:20.24 | Ackis | I wished I could duel guilds |
| 05:20.47 | starlon | give peace a chance |
| 05:20.59 | Semlar | you think you could take on a whole guild? |
| 05:21.19 | Ackis | I'm that good |
| 05:21.26 | Ackis | and I've seen some REALLY bad guilds out there |
| 05:21.27 | starlon | Have castle wars like in RO. |
| 05:21.37 | Semlar | you sound pretty confident |
| 05:21.39 | Unkle | Ackis is just slutty that way |
| 05:21.53 | starlon | The castles have coffers that spawn ever interval. |
| 05:22.16 | starlon | s/ever/every/ |
| 05:22.46 | Ackis | you like it Unkle |
| 05:23.15 | Unkle | There are Wargames if you REALLY want to fight another guild. |
| 05:23.42 | starlon | haha |
| 05:23.44 | starlon | yep |
| 05:24.03 | starlon | Ragnarok Online :/ |
| 05:24.07 | Unkle | No loot, but you get some serious bragging rights |
| 05:24.44 | Shirik | Unkle aren't you supposed to be asleep? |
| 05:24.46 | Neffii | What side has *good* (accurate) statistics on realm population/activity/A:H balance? |
| 05:25.32 | Unkle | Shirik: I usually go to bed at ABOUT 11. |
| 05:25.39 | Shirik | aren't you on the east coast? |
| 05:25.54 | Unkle | Get with the program. I moved to CA. |
| 05:25.59 | Shirik | oh I missed that |
| 05:26.02 | Unkle | Like … 5 weeks ago |
| 05:26.02 | Shirik | I'll be in CA next week! |
| 05:26.15 | Shirik | obviously two people in CA are very close to each other |
| 05:26.23 | Unkle | Where abouts? |
| 05:26.30 | Shirik | middle of nowhere |
| 05:26.38 | Shirik | literally 2 hours from every city |
| 05:26.53 | Unkle | Unlike me… middle of wine country |
| 05:27.14 | Unkle | How I have managed to stay sober this long is a mystery to everybody. |
| 05:28.26 | Shirik | anyway, place called China Lake, CA |
| 05:29.31 | Unkle | Never heard of it. Must be like the Area 52 of CA. |
| 05:30.37 | Shirik | http://www.cnic.navy.mil/ChinaLake/About/index.htm |
| 05:30.47 | Semlar | heh, cnic |
| 05:33.00 | Semlar | neffi: http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php i don't know if people still run this addon or not |
| 05:33.53 | Semlar | it's only going to be accurate if people still use it on the realm |
| 05:34.27 | Semlar | and it hasn't been updated in like 2 years |
| 05:36.46 | Ackis | asdf |
| 05:37.16 | Semlar | asdf yourself |
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| 05:39.01 | Ackis | wow Semlar I can't believe you said that about Neffii, he's such a nice guy |
| 05:39.19 | Mr_Rabies | <Neffii> What side has *good* (accurate) statistics on realm population/activity/A:H balance? |
| 05:39.20 | Ackis | on a side note, I have a cat named Nefi |
| 05:39.45 | Semlar | it has accurate stats on my server |
| 05:39.51 | Semlar | so ymmv |
| 05:40.10 | Mr_Rabies | agh one sec |
| 05:40.14 | Mr_Rabies | i can't find the site |
| 05:41.16 | End_ | http://wow.realmpop.com/ might be worth looking into |
| 05:41.20 | Neffi | >_> |
| 05:41.51 | Neffi | Yeah I saw that and came to the conslusion that I'm already on the best realm in the US for (1) high pop (2) no login queue (3) good A:H ratio and (4) PVP |
| 05:42.22 | Neffi | But consdering I usually do pretty good in my BGs, I'm wearing of faction changing in this realm |
| 05:42.31 | Semlar | the column titles for this table are inside the scroll area |
| 05:42.41 | Semlar | :| |
| 05:42.42 | Neffi | And all the others above 120k pop are like 8:1 imbalanced for one faction or another |
| 05:42.53 | Mr_Rabies | here we go, neffi http://wow.realmpop.com/ |
| 05:42.53 | End_ | my realm has the worst ratio..ok maybe only like the third worst |
| 05:42.56 | Mr_Rabies | doh |
| 05:42.58 | Mr_Rabies | end beat me |
| 05:42.59 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 05:43.02 | Neffi | lol |
| 05:43.32 | Neffi | Anyone PvP on US-Vengeance battlegroup as Horde? |
| 05:44.27 | nevcairiel | wow there really are really big realms with like 95% of one faction |
| 05:44.54 | Neffi | Yeah look at the realms devs used to play on |
| 05:45.08 | Neffi | The one Kalgan has his horde on is like 9:1 in favor of horde |
| 05:45.21 | Neffi | s/has/had/ |
| 05:46.23 | nevcairiel | my realm already is in the top5 of the worst alliance overload, but thats just 75% alliance or so, there are others with 90% alliance, or 95% horde |
| 05:47.11 | End_ | my realm is ~93% horde |
| 05:47.18 | Neffi | Must really suck if you're into world PvP and shit |
| 05:47.26 | nevcairiel | as if world pvp is still a thing |
| 05:47.37 | Neffi | On some realms it iis |
| 05:48.14 | End_ | until CRZ, seeing the other faction was highly unusual for me |
| 05:48.18 | nevcairiel | alterac valley was fun back in classic, 12 hour matches, alliance usually won in the end because in the wee hours of the night not enough horde joined anymore :P |
| 05:48.27 | Neffi | It was a pretty big thing on Burning Blade before a particular group of dingleberries quit. You'd be surprised how active it could get when you get a small community to start doing it, and flaming over it on the forums. |
| 05:48.30 | End_ | like...if I wanted to see alliance, I could visit stormwind or something |
| 05:48.35 | End_ | (outside of battlegrounds of course) |
| 05:48.44 | End_ | and I might see a bunch |
| 05:51.08 | nevcairiel | if you dont want to use the AH much, must be relaxing to have a rather small playerbase on your faction :p |
| 05:51.29 | Semlar | no, it sucks |
| 05:51.35 | Semlar | i played on a low pop server before |
| 05:51.56 | Semlar | most of the people that were there were pretty bad at the game |
| 05:52.09 | nevcairiel | because the good ones left for better servers |
| 05:52.14 | Semlar | exactly |
| 05:52.27 | Neffi | Yeah low pop servers suck. After going to one at BC launch and seeing it literally die, I'll stay away. Plus I like high pop realms. |
| 05:52.32 | Semlar | unless you want to be a big fish in a little pond |
| 05:52.38 | nevcairiel | but if you're content with lfd, you dont necesseraly play with people from your realm |
| 05:52.49 | Semlar | well, this was before all that |
| 05:52.55 | Semlar | so i guess it's a little different now |
| 05:53.30 | Semlar | you still would likely have a guild on your server that you would want to do things with though |
| 05:53.32 | nevcairiel | if you ever get bored of lfd and want a real guild to run real raids or whatnot, you might be stuck though |
| 05:53.52 | Unkle | Realms are about the community and the local economy - unless you have lots of BattleTag or RealID friends and lie LFD/LFR |
| 05:54.12 | nevcairiel | speaking of, i should look for a new guild |
| 05:54.23 | nevcairiel | somehow i dont think mop will bring mine back to live |
| 05:54.53 | Unkle | You're on EU or I'd pester you to join mine. |
| 05:54.58 | Neffi | $30 for a faction change? Vanilla+BC costs less. wtf |
| 05:55.36 | nevcairiel | vanilla+bc is like $5 now |
| 05:56.19 | nevcairiel | people say they are just milking people with that price, but they also dont want everyone jumping faction all the time |
| 05:56.20 | Neffi | $30 is pretty steep IMO |
| 05:56.27 | Neffi | should be like $15-20 |
| 05:56.28 | Semlar | the price is to discourage people from doing it |
| 05:57.16 | Semlar | while still making them decent money for the people who are going to pay it anyway |
| 05:58.04 | Neffi | Since I'm playing a new alt, might make more sense to buy another account and RAF a fresh horde to 70 instead |
| 05:58.06 | Neffi | >_> |
| 05:58.10 | Neffi | which ain't a bad idea |
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| 06:00.17 | Unkle | It's crazy fast - especially with heirlooms and guild bonus |
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| 06:00.59 | Semlar | i think instead of replacing the main map i'm just going to make a secondary map you can drag around, resize and leave on the screen |
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| 06:01.42 | Semlar | kind of like the battle map |
| 06:02.58 | Semlar | maybe let you merge it with the minimap |
| 06:04.01 | Semlar | what features would it need to actually be desirable |
| 06:04.30 | Neffi | It should do my homework for me |
| 06:04.54 | Semlar | are you studying to be a cartographer? |
| 06:06.30 | Unkle | I like the idea of a resizable battle map style map. |
| 06:06.56 | Neffi | Computer scientists but I hate history work. I'll buy you a beer if you do it. =) |
| 06:07.07 | Neffi | -s |
| 06:07.17 | Unkle | Beer = universal currency |
| 06:07.46 | Neffi | wants beer now. |
| 06:08.54 | Shirik | it is now sleep time |
| 06:09.49 | Semlar | COMMENCE WITH THE SIESTA |
| 06:10.42 | Unkle | Night Shirik |
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| 06:24.07 | Unkle | Night all |
| 06:24.12 | Semlar | night night |
| 06:26.21 | Semlar | i should be sleeping but insomnia |
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| 06:32.19 | Semlar | i really wish i could make a second minimap without making the normal one flip out |
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| 06:39.08 | Ackis | Searching Armory for guild...success Adding characters to queue...Failed - Your guild does not have at least 15 members. :( |
| 06:39.47 | Semlar | :) |
| 06:40.08 | Ackis | my bank alt guild with all my alts in it after my main guild switched servers |
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| 06:41.34 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/emerald-dream/Skeleton_Crew/ my alt guild appears to still be accessible |
| 06:42.09 | Semlar | ironically none of my characters are still in it |
| 06:43.29 | Semlar | did they make it easier to level a guild? |
| 06:43.45 | Ackis | yup |
| 06:44.27 | Neffi | a lot easier |
| 06:44.41 | Neffi | I hit exalted on my new mage in like 3 days |
| 06:45.04 | Neffi | Guild hit level 2 in those 3 days from just him questing, when we don't have any other active members |
| 06:45.13 | Semlar | i would probably move my characters back into my own guild if i could get the perks fairly quickly |
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| 06:45.56 | Ackis | I've solo levelled my guild up to 4 or 5 by getting a couple toons from 80-85 and a few more from lower levels to 80ish |
| 06:49.06 | Sintacks | levels Ackis |
| 06:50.57 | Semlar | level me while you're at it |
| 06:52.14 | bluspacecow | lev levelly lev levelly level level la me |
| 06:54.23 | Ackis | bluspacecow: can you accept simcity requests please? |
| 06:54.32 | bluspacecow | hmmmmm |
| 06:54.34 | bluspacecow | maybe |
| 06:54.38 | Ackis | trying to finish a timed quest and have 36ish hours left only |
| 06:57.11 | Neffi | What the fuck |
| 06:57.24 | Neffi | What is the cooldown on paladin interrupt? |
| 06:57.52 | Ackis | is this too nerdy: http://www.guildox.com/wow/forum/thread/1046 |
| 06:58.26 | Neffi | If you have to ask, probably |
| 06:58.38 | Semlar | 15 seconds |
| 07:02.15 | bluspacecow | "Don't look up! Ackis has been feeding prunes to seagulls!" <----------------- y u make seagulls fart ? |
| 07:02.32 | zenzio | excellent - got the third monitor up and running at work now - had to order an active DVI to mini-displayport converter, apparently a passive one didn't work (and I have no idea what "active" means in this case) |
| 07:03.23 | Semlar | evidently it means it actually does something |
| 07:03.57 | zenzio | I think you may be right about that |
| 07:04.13 | Semlar | >_> |
| 07:04.51 | nevcairiel | zenzio: displayport and dvi have distinctly different signals. Its not like HDMI and DVI which is the same signal witha different conncetor. Some GPUs have a special mode, which can detect a displayport connection over DVI, and then output this with a passive adapter, but not all can do that, so you need an active one to convert the signal |
| 07:05.10 | zenzio | ah, I see |
| 07:05.17 | zenzio | cheers for the explanation :) |
| 07:05.17 | Semlar | magic |
| 07:08.40 | Neffi | fuckin' magnets, how do they work? |
| 07:09.20 | Semlar | microscopic refrigerators |
| 07:09.43 | Neffi | lol |
| 07:09.56 | Semlar | it's the only explanation |
| 07:16.02 | Adys | Fisker: IM ASKING YOU |
| 07:16.12 | Adys | how are you playing borderlands 2? |
| 07:16.27 | Adys | amro gifted it only to figure out its unreleased |
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| 07:18.53 | Maldivia | but it is out... |
| 07:19.00 | Adys | 21st in the UK |
| 07:19.09 | Adys | i guess its released in denmark? |
| 07:20.51 | Fisker | nope |
| 07:20.55 | Fisker | released in the US |
| 07:21.07 | Adys | proxy? |
| 07:21.12 | Fisker | nah |
| 07:21.19 | Fisker | but you can use a vpn/proxy to unlock it |
| 07:21.19 | Adys | then? |
| 07:21.28 | Fisker | star game |
| 07:21.30 | Fisker | start game |
| 07:21.38 | Fisker | disconnect from proxy |
| 07:21.46 | Fisker | when you quit the game Steam will put it back into preload |
| 07:21.54 | Fisker | so you has to vpn again |
| 07:22.05 | Adys | fair enough |
| 07:22.28 | Fisker | i'm using another "method" that doesn't need that |
| 07:22.29 | Fisker | :3 |
| 07:23.55 | Maldivia | or just be in the US... |
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| 08:26.41 | starlon | how do you reset an instance? |
| 08:27.04 | starlon | I thought there was a way when you right clicked your own unit frame. |
| 08:27.24 | starlon | nvm |
| 08:27.25 | Semlar | if you're leader |
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| 10:02.36 | starlon | so sad, servers went down |
| 10:02.40 | starlon | :( |
| 10:05.48 | Sintacks | they'll be back. don't worry. |
| 10:15.27 | Neffi | Or will they? |
| 10:18.06 | starlon | It's a conspiracy? |
| 10:18.24 | starlon | Cataclysm was an inside job! |
| 10:19.46 | Semlar | true fact |
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| 10:20.46 | Neffi | Garrosh orchestrated the whole thing |
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| 10:27.05 | Semlar | on the plus side the beta servers are still up |
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| 10:27.48 | Semlar | if you're into that sort of thing |
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| 10:33.15 | starlon | cool |
| 10:37.31 | Fisker | yeah those markings in Badlands are definitely not from a dragon nor deathwing |
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| 10:37.43 | Fisker | it's from a giant with a huge dick |
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| 10:58.34 | starlon | what do you call a giant with a small dick? megamuffasatina? |
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| 11:06.13 | karl_w_w | hey starlon |
| 11:06.21 | karl_w_w | can I attack you with a chopstick? |
| 11:08.00 | starlon | I've been attacked with worse. |
| 11:10.43 | karl_w_w | your lips say yes but your eyes say yes! |
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| 11:23.53 | Vladinator | oh jeez this website is coded poorly |
| 11:24.20 | Vladinator | webcruiter is used by like 90% of all job applications in norway, and the problem is that each company has it's own profile on webcruiter.com |
| 11:24.36 | Vladinator | meaning, if you have a profile with username/mail and password, you can NOT use the same login mail... |
| 11:24.44 | Vladinator | see the problem now? |
| 11:25.34 | Vladinator | I've registered at Oslo Kommune with one of my emails, and using my other email to register at Politietaten and now I can't login on Skatteetaten (they do provide a copy function though, but I need to pick a new mail and password for the login) so what is the point? |
| 11:25.52 | Vladinator | Why have a unified system that requires me to keep track of a unique login mail and password for each company? It's idiotic. |
| 11:26.11 | Vladinator | It's incredibly retarded, if you excuse my language. |
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| 11:47.26 | mitch0 | yourname+company@gmail.com |
| 11:47.29 | mitch0 | bam |
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| 12:17.40 | zenzio | I have the worst memory... enter the office after having had a break, notice my phone isn't where it usually lies, it's not in my pockets, and I know I didn't bring it outside. So I stand there for what's probably only 15 seconds, wondering what the hell happened, before it dawns on me that I put it on charging on a chair in the corner |
| 12:18.03 | nevcairiel | i figured you walked into the wrong cubicle |
| 12:18.24 | zenzio | you know, I wouldn't have been surprised if I did |
| 12:18.28 | Semlar | maybe you did |
| 12:18.43 | zenzio | we don't have cubicles, just very different looking offices |
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| 12:25.05 | Vladinator | mitch0: what if "+" isn't valid or "." :P ? |
| 12:25.12 | Vladinator | oh well . can work |
| 12:25.19 | Vladinator | but I don't think + worked :P I think I tried hehe |
| 12:25.46 | Vladinator | google ignores . characters so that's at least one thing I can do, but it's still a stupid design decision on webcruiters part. |
| 12:25.50 | zenzio | doesn't # work on gmail? |
| 12:25.56 | nevcairiel | + works just fine on gmail |
| 12:26.25 | Vladinator | just because it works on gmail doesn't mean the website accepts it :P |
| 12:26.40 | zenzio | ah |
| 12:32.04 | mitch0 | does gmail ignore . too? I didn't know that |
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| 12:37.12 | Vladinator | can someone recommend a dropdown lib or should I write my own? :P |
| 12:37.19 | Vladinator | I found http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=18946 but not sure yet. |
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| 12:41.50 | Vladinator | help me out, how does Ace3ConfigTable look? |
| 12:41.56 | bluipodcow | Be back later |
| 12:42.10 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/MbBVZ.jpg :| |
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| 12:42.18 | Vladinator | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdropdown-1-0/ I mean the info is not very documentaryish :P |
| 12:42.32 | Vladinator | semlar, wrong offset? |
| 12:43.02 | Semlar | it's got to be the scale or something otherwise it wouldn't be this close |
| 12:43.27 | Semlar | it's only for the "transformed" maps |
| 12:43.37 | Semlar | the ones that belong to other continents than they show up in |
| 12:44.17 | Semlar | it's killin me |
| 12:44.51 | kagaro | Semlar there is an api call to get the transform scale and offsets |
| 12:45.06 | Semlar | i know, those are what i'm using |
| 12:45.21 | kagaro | they not correct or just odd values? |
| 12:45.37 | Semlar | i can't tell if they're using the scale of the continent they belong to or the one they show up on or what's going on |
| 12:45.52 | kagaro | scale of the continent of the newmapid |
| 12:45.57 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure they have the correct offsets |
| 12:46.37 | Semlar | i mean http://i.imgur.com/XjEkV.jpg these all lined up |
| 12:47.43 | kagaro | us servers are down right now or i would take a look i gotta wait a bit still |
| 12:48.08 | Vladinator | nevcairiel: if you are here, help me out with Ace3 will ya :P I know you know it, hehe. |
| 12:49.34 | Semlar | i don't know if this is going to help at all but this is what i use for the non-transformed zones: (continent.TLx-zoneTLx)*(1002/continentWidth)/scale |
| 12:49.44 | Semlar | this is what i use for the transformed ones: continent.TLx-zoneTLx-transformed.offsetX)*(1002/continentWidth)/scale |
| 12:50.13 | Semlar | basically i'm just subtracting the offset from the transform table |
| 12:50.20 | kagaro | shouldn't you be using the transformed contenit |
| 12:52.55 | Semlar | the beta server's up if you can access it |
| 12:53.01 | Semlar | that's what i'm using |
| 12:53.51 | nebula169 | Vladinator: you just feed it an options table and it renders it in a dropdown, check out http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/ace-config-3-0-options-tables/ |
| 12:54.01 | Vladinator | thanks |
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| 13:01.32 | kagaro | i keep getting login server timeouts |
| 13:01.47 | Ressy | servers are down for full maintenance |
| 13:02.05 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Tuesday. |
| 13:02.40 | Ressy | Happy pre-Expansion Tuesday. Server's aren't going down for maintenance next week, so they need a full one to be able to handle what happens next week. |
| 13:03.26 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt be surprised if they do a quick one on monday |
| 13:03.32 | Lopeppeppy | You're such an optimist! Servers will totally be down half of next week. :) |
| 13:03.45 | nevcairiel | actually, expansion launches have been very smooth in the past |
| 13:03.57 | nevcairiel | mostly because the bad stuff happens with the patch before it |
| 13:04.12 | Vladinator | does ace3 config table support argument passing? |
| 13:04.19 | Vladinator | I mean I wish to use one function for set and one for get |
| 13:04.24 | Maldivia | yeah, the expansion has already happened, it's just enabling the new areas now :) |
| 13:04.25 | Vladinator | but I need to distinguish the caller :P |
| 13:04.31 | kagaro | Vladinator yes it does |
| 13:04.33 | Lopeppeppy | Servers get overloaded with OMG returning/new players, nevcairiel, and are still down/laggy/queued to hell and back. |
| 13:04.41 | Vladinator | I tried arg1 but to no avail :/ |
| 13:04.47 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: was fine last time |
| 13:04.49 | kagaro | 1 sec ill get you a paste |
| 13:04.55 | Vladinator | danke |
| 13:05.00 | nevcairiel | just have to leave the starter area before the shitstorm starts |
| 13:05.06 | nevcairiel | hence, midnight launch! |
| 13:05.39 | Maldivia | yeah, luckily their servers are a lot better and handling a lot of player in the same place now :P |
| 13:05.57 | Maldivia | I still remember the crash-fest that was ringing the AQ gong |
| 13:05.59 | nevcairiel | wonder if CRZ also works baackwards |
| 13:06.06 | nevcairiel | splitting up one server |
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| 13:06.48 | Lopeppeppy | is the resident realistic pessimist. Bah humbug. |
| 13:06.56 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: was wondering the same... but that requires a lot more work to handle, making sure people are in the right "instance" when grouping etc |
| 13:08.03 | nebula169 | it does |
| 13:08.05 | nevcairiel | could always steal the concept from other mmos where players can switch their instance |
| 13:08.12 | nebula169 | happens on illidan all the time |
| 13:08.17 | Vladinator | kagaro: I think the issue is in http://www.wowace.com/addons/libdropdown-1-0/ not passing down the "arg" argument :/ |
| 13:08.32 | nevcairiel | libdropdown is rather unfinished :p |
| 13:08.58 | Vladinator | yeah so I notice |
| 13:09.01 | nebula169 | nevs view on it: Its dewdrop all over again. Can i purge it with fire before it spreads? |
| 13:09.27 | Vladinator | why isn't there a proper dropdown lib by now? been so long ;D |
| 13:09.28 | nevcairiel | dropdowns arent inherently bad, just implementing whole configuration dialogs as a dropdown instead is |
| 13:09.35 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, so are default UI drop down menus :) |
| 13:09.59 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: we just use the blizz dropdowns, quickmenu ahoy |
| 13:10.05 | nebula169 | default ui drops downs aren't particularly difficult to create |
| 13:10.11 | Vladinator | you wanna know a funny story, nevcairiel? |
| 13:10.21 | nebula169 | dropdowns, even |
| 13:10.50 | Vladinator | I had an addon that used dropdowns to create a menu, what happened was that it got blamed for tainting and breaking world map dropdown, when I removed my code it worked fine... so somehow my own code broke the world map dropdown, right. |
| 13:10.57 | Vladinator | so I made my own dropdown menu lol :D |
| 13:11.12 | Vladinator | but looking around if there is a lib atm or if I gotta make my own lib for my own needs. |
| 13:11.38 | nevcairiel | sounds like your usage of the dropdown was broken |
| 13:11.49 | Semlar | probably |
| 13:11.49 | nevcairiel | plenty people use it |
| 13:11.58 | Vladinator | then do enlighten me :P |
| 13:12.01 | Vladinator | Ill show you, moment. |
| 13:12.12 | Semlar | what was the error |
| 13:13.59 | Vladinator | I made a dropdown frame using UIDropDownMenuTemplate, then I used UIDropDownMenu_Initialize on it with my function that calls _CreateInfo then _AddButton only standard stuff, text, icon, arg1, func, so forth. I call it by doing a ToggleDropDownMenu call. That was all the code. |
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| 13:16.25 | Vladinator | Semlar: it's a while ago, drop down world map something :P |
| 13:16.34 | Vladinator | it stopped occuring when I changed my addon, so that's funny ;) |
| 13:16.34 | Semlar | userdata? |
| 13:17.06 | Semlar | because i had the actual taintlog injecting something into the interface and throwing an error until i turned the taintlog off |
| 13:17.45 | Semlar | granted it was because i was tainting something but it shouldn't have been throwing an error |
| 13:18.20 | nevcairiel | yeah there seems to be some sort of memory corruption there+ |
| 13:19.49 | nebula169 | nevcairiel: you see http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/313-ace-dboptions-it-it-locale/ ? dude keeps bugging me about it |
| 13:20.01 | nevcairiel | i'll get to it |
| 13:20.11 | nebula169 | okie |
| 13:21.08 | Dridzt | the dropdown taint has been reverse-engineered, explained few years ago, it's still valid |
| 13:21.35 | Dridzt | if you make a reasonably populated dropdown in your addon using the default dropdown code you WILL taint stuff |
| 13:21.51 | nevcairiel | the dropdown is always tainted |
| 13:21.55 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 13:22.09 | Vladinator | how I understood it was that the dropdown must initialize itself from secure code, before we can reuse the frames. |
| 13:22.26 | nevcairiel | so many addons cause it that avoiding its usage is not really an option |
| 13:22.28 | Dridzt | ok... you will break dropdowns that are used to perform secure actions |
| 13:22.28 | Vladinator | but if secure code is to use dropdowns that were initialized by an addon then it won't work on secure functions. |
| 13:24.24 | Dridzt | the taint spreads through UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS and UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXLEVELS |
| 13:24.40 | Dridzt | so any addon that initializes a dropdown that has more than 8 buttons or 2 levels |
| 13:24.51 | Dridzt | and writes those globals will taint blizz stuff |
| 13:25.04 | Dridzt | that's the long and short of it |
| 13:27.06 | foxlit | but is it the right of it? |
| 13:28.06 | Dridzt | well they should have figured out how to protect their code much better seeing as the issue's been around for 3 expansions |
| 13:28.19 | Semlar | i think that makes it a feature |
| 13:28.22 | Dridzt | regardless, a replacement dropdown is useful until/if they do |
| 13:31.20 | nebula169 | copy UIDropDownMenu.lua, local vars, rename functions, done! |
| 13:34.11 | foxlit | Dridzt: how do you even taint UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS? |
| 13:34.44 | nevcairiel | when you create a dropdown which needs more buttons |
| 13:34.51 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 13:34.52 | Dridzt | it gets written a new value if you initialize a dropdown with more than 8 buttons |
| 13:35.17 | Dridzt | which is the value blizz sets it to in UIDropdown.lua |
| 13:35.17 | foxlit | Point to a line of code, please. |
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| 13:35.44 | foxlit | Or better yet, a complete call stack. |
| 13:36.07 | foxlit | for what it's worth, I've initialized a dropdown with more than 8 buttons, and it's still secure. |
| 13:36.15 | Dridzt | line 204:UIDropDown.lua as an example |
| 13:36.21 | Semlar | okay this is ridiculous, literally every zone except for ghostlands, eversong and isle of quel'danas show up correctly |
| 13:36.35 | foxlit | nice, but only taints if it was tainted before. |
| 13:36.46 | foxlit | or if the execution path is tainted. |
| 13:37.31 | Semlar | i'm starting to think EK's map is off |
| 13:38.27 | nevcairiel | the path is tainted if an addon creates the dropdown |
| 13:38.27 | foxlit | nevcairiel: SetAttribute/OnAttributeChanged. |
| 13:38.27 | nevcairiel | since when does the dropdown use hat? |
| 13:38.27 | foxlit | Since a pretty long time ago. |
| 13:38.27 | nevcairiel | Anyway, set focus in dropdown is like always tainted :P |
| 13:38.27 | foxlit | Set focus on custom frames is tainted by SABT |
| 13:38.28 | End_ | hm, UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS is tained in my ui |
| 13:38.31 | foxlit | Set focus on default frames should work. |
| 13:38.33 | End_ | tainted* |
| 13:39.30 | foxlit | End_: upload a tainlog 2 somewhere? |
| 13:39.43 | foxlit | s/nl/ntl/ |
| 13:39.44 | End_ | but setfocus still works |
| 13:39.53 | End_ | using the dropdown |
| 13:40.31 | End_ | I'll take a look later, since it might be my addon that is even causing the taint, if creating a dropdown with a lot of entries causes it |
| 13:41.30 | foxlit | I don't mind if it's your addon that does it; that explanation should not be accurate in the first place. |
| 13:41.47 | End_ | oh fart |
| 13:41.50 | End_ | I'm dumb |
| 13:42.08 | End_ | I was trying to use issecure() not issecurevariable() to check |
| 13:42.09 | End_ | and |
| 13:42.10 | End_ | good news |
| 13:42.18 | End_ | creating a dropdown with 30+ entries does NOT taint |
| 13:43.27 | foxlit | Dridzt: would you like to try again? |
| 13:43.41 | Dridzt | try what again |
| 13:43.46 | End_ | I guess it's actually only ~20 |
| 13:45.01 | foxlit | Dridzt: explaining what causes UIDropDownMenu to be tainted, of course. |
| 13:46.31 | Dridzt | no I'm good with the explanation I gave, poor as it was |
| 13:47.16 | End_ | I manually tainted UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS by hand, and now I can't use set focus with the blizzard frames |
| 13:47.19 | End_ | but |
| 13:48.15 | foxlit | Dridzt: I found it severely lacking in the explanation and accuracy departments, but to each his own. |
| 13:48.16 | End_ | I don't think that really counts, normally, since noone has any reason to change that value outside of FrameXML |
| 13:48.43 | Dridzt | foxlit: are you generally combative or reserving special treatment in my case :) |
| 13:48.58 | Dridzt | I'll code an example addon to illustrate the issue, when I have some time to kill |
| 13:49.28 | foxlit | I'm generally combative when people state something as the ground truth, then utterly fail to defend it in the face of evidence to the contrary. |
| 13:49.42 | Dridzt | you have provided no evidence tbh |
| 13:49.45 | End_ | well...my addon specifically creates a dropdown with 25 entries, and I see no such issue (after I stopped being dumb). I bumped it to 60 entries, and the uidropdown still isn't tainted |
| 13:50.16 | Dridzt | anyway take it as you wish, I wasn't preaching the divine truth |
| 13:50.28 | Dridzt | just my understanding of the issue, observed over a long period of time |
| 13:50.35 | foxlit | I've specifically used an addon to create a dropdown with ~20 entries, and verified whether UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS was tainted with issecurevariable. It wasn't. |
| 13:50.46 | Dridzt | if you read it as the former, not my problem :P |
| 13:52.50 | foxlit | "Dridzt: if you make a reasonably populated dropdown in your addon using the default dropdown code you WILL taint stuff" |
| 13:53.39 | foxlit | If that's a statement of opinion, I'm the king of Spain. |
| 13:55.23 | Lopeppeppy | Now the Leafs call me up to drive the Zamboni! |
| 13:55.30 | End_ | hm, gets a bit unweildy if you have too many levels of dropdowns, but still no taint |
| 13:55.59 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.30 | alestane | Let it sit for a few minutes, guys. |
| 13:56.35 | Dridzt | ok your majesty |
| 13:56.43 | alestane | Please. |
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| 13:57.08 | bluipodcow | Icecream ? |
| 13:57.09 | Dridzt | ah sorry alestane, didn't see your post |
| 13:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | I have it on good authority that it's strawberries, bluipodcow. |
| 13:57.50 | bluipodcow | Oh ok |
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| 15:14.31 | Unkle | tation |
| 15:15.38 | zenzio | plantation? |
| 15:16.11 | Industrial | self-directed neuroplasticity is the ultimate eat your own dog food. |
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| 15:18.25 | Industrial | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYJdekjiAog&feature=related ) |
| 15:18.38 | Industrial | interesting shiznitz |
| 15:20.00 | mikma | TL;DW |
| 15:32.22 | Vladinator | my ace 3 menu is not organized how I want it to be :( |
| 15:32.32 | Vladinator | the order of the elements seem to be alphabetical, and I don't want that :P |
| 15:33.12 | Vladinator | I'll try the "order" key |
| 15:50.15 | Vladinator | making this http://i.imgur.com/o3teA.jpg |
| 15:50.38 | Vladinator | adding more filters in a submenu :P |
| 15:53.40 | Industrial | http://i.imgur.com/Zek2d.jpg lulz really blizzard? scribbles? |
| 15:53.57 | Industrial | I really was expecting runes when I walked up to the thing :( |
| 15:55.01 | Vladinator | :D |
| 15:55.38 | znf | Does anyone have a handy list of how to detect all raid/dungeon difficulties now? |
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| 15:58.12 | Industrial | znf: 1) stay out of the fire/smudge. 2) see 1). |
| 15:58.19 | znf | uh? |
| 15:58.32 | Industrial | nvm |
| 15:59.34 | Semlar | at least one of those scribbles is a japanese character |
| 16:00.42 | Semlar | i think the rest is mostly random |
| 16:01.20 | Industrial | I see some failed W's and R's |
| 16:01.27 | Semlar | maybe a star |
| 16:02.41 | Industrial | maybe its a hidden message revealing the location of a trasure map |
| 16:02.46 | Industrial | (try reversing the polarity!) |
| 16:02.58 | Industrial | enough of this madness. back to work. |
| 16:03.08 | Semlar | は <- not sure if you have the character set to display this but it's the character for "ha" |
| 16:07.17 | Lopeppeppy | slips a ferret into Unkle's trousers. Wake up! |
| 16:07.45 | Unkle | didn't know Lopeppeppy was British. |
| 16:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | Better a trouser ferret than a trouser snake! Hah. |
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| 16:08.43 | Unkle | I'd make some joke about already having one, but you beat mean to the punch. |
| 16:09.04 | Semlar | i thought trouser ferrets ate trouser snakes |
| 16:09.14 | Lopeppeppy | beat meat what snake huh? |
| 16:09.32 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: ddrescue is going really slow but letting the drive cooloff overnight seems to have helped |
| 16:11.40 | Industrial | http://www.newsy.com/videos/bizzare-sport-ferret-legging/ like that peppy? |
| 16:14.57 | Unkle | Arrowmaster: that's a bad, bad, sign. :( |
| 16:15.11 | Arrowmaster | and it stopped again |
| 16:16.40 | Arrowmaster | i only managed to get another 200MB out of it |
| 16:17.44 | Arrowmaster | actually i have an idea, going to reboot and try this again |
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| 16:42.07 | Arrowmaster | http://www.diceholdingsinc.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=211152&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1735911&highlight= |
| 16:42.27 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 16:42.40 | Fisker | did you ever figure out about your graphics driver? |
| 16:42.42 | karl_w_w | Fisker you are HIV aladeen |
| 16:43.55 | nevcairiel | Fisker: figure what out |
| 16:44.01 | nevcairiel | i thought you figured out wddm 1.1 allows it |
| 16:44.10 | Fisker | yeah |
| 16:44.26 | Fisker | but ist the driver wddm or an old kernel mode driver? |
| 16:44.34 | cogwheel | Fisker: u jelly? |
| 16:44.54 | nevcairiel | Fisker: dxdiag says both drivers are wddm 1.1 |
| 16:44.58 | Fisker | never jelly cogwheel |
| 16:45.03 | Fisker | weird that it didn't work with uefi then |
| 16:45.08 | nevcairiel | who knows |
| 16:45.12 | nevcairiel | maybe a bug in intels driver |
| 16:45.13 | Fisker | when you install windows 8 try uefi mode again :3 |
| 16:45.39 | karl_w_w | yuffi* |
| 16:45.54 | karl_w_w | awesome, i cant type |
| 16:47.08 | Arrowmaster | i just started `ddrescue --direct --no-split --retrim --try-again --reverse --force` crazy options but its working |
| 16:48.42 | karl_w_w | no-split isnt compatible with retrim and try again |
| 16:48.46 | Arrowmaster | im suspecting that when it tries to read from the lower sectors on the drive its killing the drive till it reboots |
| 16:49.50 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: its working |
| 16:50.37 | karl_w_w | yeah but one of them will have been ignored :P |
| 16:51.40 | Arrowmaster | it did what i wanted it to do, forget about all the failed blocks and try again in reverse, so far its not failed any blocks so it still says 'copying non-tried blocks' |
| 16:53.49 | Unkle | recovering an sad? |
| 16:53.54 | Unkle | bah.. ssd |
| 16:54.37 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 16:54.48 | Arrowmaster | started failing again though |
| 16:55.05 | Arrowmaster | got to one point and everything after that it cant read again |
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| 17:05.48 | cogwheel | Unkle: so what happened yesterday? |
| 17:06.27 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.37 | bluipodcow | How you mean? |
| 17:08.19 | Unkle | cogwheel: looks like several folders got their permissions corrupted. |
| 17:09.00 | Unkle | Owner attributes and security groups dropped, I don't know what caused it. |
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| 17:09.38 | bluipodcow | Dks |
| 17:09.44 | bluipodcow | Did it |
| 17:09.57 | Unkle | I've seen it before in larger deployments with roaming profiles and the symptoms were similar. it took me a while to diagnose and repair. But I have no idea what caused it. |
| 17:10.21 | cogwheel | weird |
| 17:10.42 | cogwheel | also my desk is now a robot |
| 17:11.00 | Unkle | Also, I'm locked in here with the plate. |
| 17:11.03 | Unkle | plague. |
| 17:11.24 | Unkle | And the dogs keep wanting me to open the door. |
| 17:12.00 | cogwheel | awww they lurrrrves you |
| 17:12.47 | Unkle | you have no idea how hard it was to kick them out so I could sleep. They were planted and planing to stay… like colonists. |
| 17:14.54 | Vladinator | so how can I get the spellID of a pet I own now? looks like the CompanionInfo API is broken :P |
| 17:15.14 | bluipodcow | O_o pocket loss |
| 17:15.28 | Neffi | Am I the only one that finds it disgusting that this seems to be implying the main driving force for ecological improvement and "doing the right thing" according to the US government is a matter of price? |
| 17:15.29 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/09/have-the-feds-put-the-right-price-on-carbon/ |
| 17:15.44 | bluipodcow | Someone complains about pocket loss on their path ping lol |
| 17:16.23 | Neffi | They're quantifying how much carbon "costs" based on its economic impact, vs how much would be gained by ignoring it and using that money for something else |
| 17:17.03 | Neffi | Not to mention they seem to intentionally ignore complex factors so they can take a shortcut that favors ignoring it |
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| 17:17.59 | Neffi | "It" being treating CO2 emissions and temperature rise |
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| 17:22.32 | Unkle | Neffi: people are motivated by different things - there's nothing inherently wrong with trying to solve a problem using motivational tools you can directly impact. |
| 17:23.05 | Neffi | There is if you settle for your people doing an obviously bad job of it |
| 17:26.42 | Unkle | I don't think anyone is doing a "good" job of anything related to human-driven environmental change. So get in line. |
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| 17:28.05 | Neffi | I've got my popcorn and 3D glasses. But this Apocolyptic movie's a long one and my ass is gonna be sore. |
| 17:28.25 | Vladinator | Neffi: movie? :P |
| 17:28.37 | Unkle | Nah. You'll probably be dead. |
| 17:28.44 | neutronimity | You talking about nature? I recently drove by a huge heap of cut wood branches that was left for lying in a forest. I thought also, revert all human operation on nature and let it thrive as it has been thriving. |
| 17:29.21 | Neffi | It's not so much operating on nature, it's operating within nature. We can't exist without impacting it. |
| 17:29.39 | Neffi | And we've clearly hit a point where we're impeding its ability to thrive |
| 17:29.44 | Unkle | we're so self-centered. Once we all fucking die of, natural systems will remove most traces of us in a billion years |
| 17:29.49 | Neffi | Hell you could argue that we past that point centuries ago |
| 17:30.30 | Neffi | Vladinator: It's gonna be a long one. And there's that one plot twist where just in time somebody came up with a solution, and then 12 months later a massive turning point occurs that nobody predicted. I don't think it'll be a happy ending. |
| 17:30.35 | Neffi | I ain't sitting through the whole 300 years |
| 17:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | There's an awesome (Nova? Discovery Channel? History Channel?) special series about what the earth will look like in 1, 5, 10, 50, 100, 1000 years after mankind dies out. |
| 17:30.51 | Neffi | Not Nova |
| 17:31.00 | Neffi | It was in the Discovery family I believe |
| 17:31.21 | Neffi | Unkle: But plastics! |
| 17:31.30 | Neffi | Oh a billion years. Yeah. |
| 17:31.55 | Vladinator | refers Neffito George Carlin about the world and plastic. :P |
| 17:32.01 | Unkle | Discovery. Life After People |
| 17:32.21 | Neffi | It's not like we're going to die out. We have the perfect niche and model on paper. We just need to shake more of our ancesteral Apeness. |
| 17:32.23 | Unkle | Also, cf David Brin's Uplift novels |
| 17:32.41 | alestane | That's what I was remembering, Unkle. |
| 17:32.48 | alestane | Leaving planets fallow. |
| 17:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | Life After People, History Channel. |
| 17:33.14 | Neffi | We're just going to hit a point where certain infrastructures we depend upon collapse and our numbers decrease dramatically. We rebuild, make slightly better choices, and end up in the same position 1000 years later. It's sociological evolution. |
| 17:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | blows raspberries at Unkle |
| 17:33.43 | Unkle | mmmm… raspberries |
| 17:34.12 | Esamynn|work | maybe you're both right :P |
| 17:34.32 | Unkle | Same production company |
| 17:34.45 | Neffi | Yeah most big shows are simulcast on different networks for different regions |
| 17:34.52 | Neffi | At least in that production company |
| 17:36.28 | Esamynn|work | it' |
| 17:36.36 | Arrowmaster | new bundle! http://www.humblebundle.com |
| 17:36.58 | Esamynn|work | it's also possible that we'll get the point where the snap-back almost, or completely wipes us out |
| 17:37.09 | Esamynn|work | I don't know what the chances of that are, but it is possible |
| 17:37.20 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I can see that easily, Esamynn. We're earning it. :) |
| 17:38.04 | Neffi | I doubt we'll ever be completely wiped out |
| 17:38.20 | Neffi | Even at its worse, climate change is too gradual to rid the world of a species so adept at adapting |
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| 17:41.51 | Gnarfoz | ~seen anduinlothar |
| 17:41.52 | purl | i haven't seen 'anduinlothar', Gnarfoz |
| 17:42.23 | Esamynn|work | ~seen KarlKFI |
| 17:42.23 | purl | karlkfi is currently on #wowuidev, last said: 'isn't every flight a return to flight?'. |
| 17:42.38 | Gnarfoz | Dridzt: see? ;) |
| 17:42.50 | Gnarfoz | I was quite certain someone would do that to suggest that's him ^^ |
| 17:42.59 | Esamynn|work | :P |
| 17:44.05 | bluipodcow | ~seen my brain |
| 17:44.06 | purl | i haven't seen 'my brain', bluipodcow |
| 17:44.17 | Esamynn|work | ~lart bluipodcow |
| 17:44.17 | purl | keeps mailing bluipodcow free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 17:44.19 | Dridzt | all this jumping between channels is confusing me, not many grey cells left anyhow :D |
| 17:44.30 | bluipodcow | I'm mean to purl :p |
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| 21:12.08 | Vladinator | I'm a ninja http://i.imgur.com/qLGv8.jpg |
| 21:16.08 | Kemayo | How cruel! The Theramore tabard doesn't count for the unique-tabards achievement. |
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| 21:18.22 | Unkle | I have so many tabards that I need a wardrobe and a dry cleaner… |
| 21:27.11 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, tabards need to go to a holding cell like pets/mounts |
| 21:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | /titles |
| 21:29.16 | foxlit | Maybe they just need a clearer indication that you can delete and re-purchase them. |
| 21:29.40 | Esamynn|work | I've taken to testing which are safe to delete each time there is a PTR/beta |
| 21:29.41 | Parnic | Arrowmaster: i hate that joke |
| 21:30.36 | Arrowmaster | it might have been funny to include it if it hadnt turned into such a big meme |
| 21:30.50 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why they need to take up inventory space at all though foxlit |
| 21:31.13 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: what about tabards you cant purchase |
| 21:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | if they're having problems with making the ones like the theramore one with a "Use:" on them, they should just make those shirts |
| 21:31.46 | Mr_Rabies | visually still tabards, that override whatever tabard you have on |
| 21:31.54 | Mr_Rabies | but mechanically shirts |
| 21:32.23 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: should be able to re-purchase those too :) |
| 21:33.03 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: taken to the extreme, why not let everyone have unlimited inventory space instead? :) |
| 21:33.11 | Mr_Rabies | also: why do hearthstones still exist as items |
| 21:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | i'd be okay with that, foxlit |
| 21:33.26 | Mr_Rabies | inventory management is no fun |
| 21:33.39 | Mr_Rabies | i filled up my void storage the day it came out, and still had crap in my bank |
| 21:34.16 | Vladinator | about tabards, they could make the tabard slot show a menu, something like the title menu, so you "equip" a tabard and if it has /use on it the button can be dragged and used in macros and such, and it would remove the need of keeping tabards in the inventory :) |
| 21:34.21 | xyphoid | man, shirts |
| 21:34.34 | xyphoid | i'm surprised they haven't just consolidated that slot out of existence |
| 21:34.43 | End_ | yeah I couldn't put all my old pretty gear in void storage |
| 21:35.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm about to clear out my void storage and keep only items i know i want, items you can't reobtain/obtain anymore, and tier sets |
| 21:36.08 | Mr_Rabies | the fact that i have to do that kinda sucks though |
| 21:36.21 | End_ | nothing that made it to my void storage hadn't already survived several rounds of clean up |
| 21:36.31 | End_ | some of my newer stuff in my bank I could destroy maybe though |
| 21:36.47 | End_ | it's not dire like it was at least :P |
| 21:36.49 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i've done some cleanup |
| 21:37.23 | Mr_Rabies | i shouldn't have to pick and choose so much now, now that there's actually a reason to packrat gear |
| 21:37.52 | Mr_Rabies | also, being the raid group's disenchanter is both a blessing and a curse |
| 21:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | i hang onto anything that looks nice and instead donate some extra crystals to the bank |
| 21:38.24 | End_ | hehe |
| 21:38.37 | Esamynn|work | yah, I used to do that |
| 21:39.02 | Esamynn|work | but specifically when I was considering an item as an upgrade that would get DE'd otherwise |
| 21:40.31 | foxlit | there's something profoundly wrong with your DKP system then :) |
| 21:40.47 | Mr_Rabies | >2012 |
| 21:40.49 | Mr_Rabies | >DKP |
| 21:40.54 | Mr_Rabies | >ishygddt |
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| 21:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | so yeah |
| 21:41.53 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/qx1bZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zPiYY.jpg |
| 21:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | i have a lot of items |
| 21:42.17 | foxlit | still no character reflections in water :( |
| 21:42.20 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: nah, I was in control of the point system too, I'd just make sure it all added up after the fact when I'd made my choice |
| 21:43.32 | Mr_Rabies | bracers will probably go first |
| 21:43.40 | End_ | I have a bunch of items too, but not as many as you do |
| 21:43.47 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think we've been able to see bracers since tbc, unless we unequip gloves |
| 21:44.05 | End_ | I think I have bigger bags though ;-p |
| 21:45.01 | Mr_Rabies | a 24, a 26, and a ton of 22s |
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| 21:46.29 | End_ | my inventory is all 26s, my bank is 4 26s and 3 24s |
| 21:46.30 | Mr_Rabies | if you're wondering about the random crap i did a TK run with openraid yesterday and never bothered vendoring all the useless crap i got |
| 21:46.43 | Mr_Rabies | i should probably make some 26s |
| 21:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder what MoP bags look like |
| 21:47.34 | End_ | I want to say that there is only one new bag |
| 21:47.41 | End_ | but it's 24 and not boe for once |
| 21:47.59 | Mr_Rabies | 28 slot |
| 21:48.04 | End_ | :o |
| 21:48.04 | Mr_Rabies | and boe |
| 21:48.09 | Mr_Rabies | that's it, though, i think |
| 21:48.12 | End_ | well nevermind then |
| 21:48.12 | Mr_Rabies | no new "normal" bag |
| 21:48.34 | End_ | either I am remembering wrong, or they changed it since I looked...either is pretty likely |
| 21:48.54 | End_ | 12 imperial silk |
| 21:48.58 | End_ | that's a few silks |
| 21:49.16 | zenzelezz | I'm sure there'll be some fancy new 30-slot bag that you have to collect all kinds of plants for, then weave |
| 21:49.30 | Mr_Rabies | http://mop.wowhead.com/items=1.0 |
| 21:49.34 | Mr_Rabies | so far, doesn't seem like it |
| 21:50.07 | Mr_Rabies | seems like the 28 will be pretty cheap to produce |
| 21:50.16 | Mr_Rabies | if you have a tailor, that is |
| 21:51.01 | End_ | I wonder how common spirits of harmony are |
| 21:51.10 | Vladinator | it says it takes 12 days to make the cloth |
| 21:51.12 | Vladinator | for 1 bag |
| 21:51.22 | End_ | or you can use spirits of harmony to do it faster |
| 21:51.49 | Vladinator | why not the elements of harmony? applejack, twilight sparkle and the other guys can come help us craft it in a couple of hours! |
| 21:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 21:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | i wish there was an addon that was easy to use that helped you figure out raw material costs of things |
| 21:52.26 | Mr_Rabies | i hate having to dredge through comments to find someone that's done the math because there's no way i have enough time to |
| 21:53.14 | End_ | the undermine journal can do that I think? |
| 21:53.21 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure TSM has a feature like that squirreled away somewhere, but the time i save using TSM is negated by the time it takes to figure out where anything is |
| 21:53.37 | End_ | like it'll compare making completely from scratch compared to making from intermediate parts I think |
| 21:53.48 | Mr_Rabies | it can, kinda, but not when it uses BoP materials |
| 21:53.59 | Mr_Rabies | and it stops one tier down, as far as i know |
| 21:54.09 | Mr_Rabies | i want to know exactly how much cloth it takes to make an illusionary bag, for instance |
| 21:54.39 | Mr_Rabies | wowhead comments let me know: Creating this bag will take 320 Embersilk Cloth (16 stacks) |
| 21:55.05 | End_ | TUJ will tell you |
| 21:55.26 | End_ | you have to click the tailoring icon though |
| 21:55.28 | End_ | and it expands out |
| 21:55.56 | Mr_Rabies | i wish there was a built-in version of that |
| 21:56.14 | Mr_Rabies | i used to have one called reverse engineering that sort of did it, but it was hit-or-miss and it's long abandoned i believe |
| 21:56.46 | End_ | TSM does probably have it, as you noted, but it's probably a chore to find/configure where it is if it does |
| 21:57.32 | Vladinator | Mr_Rabies: http://i.imgur.com/xcrRJ.jpg |
| 21:57.39 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 21:57.53 | End_ | no I refuse to get down |
| 21:57.59 | Mr_Rabies | what's that, vlad |
| 21:58.10 | End_ | that looks like wowhead, but I've never seen that tab |
| 21:58.13 | Vladinator | it's a very old script I have kept updating for my personal use :P |
| 21:58.15 | Vladinator | it's wowhead |
| 21:58.18 | End_ | ah |
| 21:58.24 | Vladinator | greasemonkey script to extend it |
| 21:58.46 | Vladinator | tell me a very complicated item craft |
| 21:58.51 | Vladinator | so I can try it :p |
| 21:58.54 | End_ | so, 480 cloth for the new bag |
| 21:59.19 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 21:59.29 | Vladinator | but |
| 21:59.33 | End_ | (butt) |
| 21:59.36 | Vladinator | the script is a bit old, it picks the 8 cloth one |
| 21:59.44 | Vladinator | while the alternative is 5 cloth and 3 spirits |
| 21:59.58 | End_ | hard to say which would be preferred |
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| 22:00.31 | Vladinator | 480 worst case cenario :p |
| 22:00.35 | Vladinator | scenario* |
| 22:00.42 | Vladinator | 24 stacks |
| 22:02.21 | Vladinator | Let's craft Heartseeker! http://i.imgur.com/XHPXq.jpg |
| 22:02.29 | Vladinator | only ruined leather scraps allowed |
| 22:02.50 | Vladinator | you only need 216 stacks it's np |
| 22:03.11 | mckenziemc | wtf? |
| 22:03.21 | mckenziemc | oic |
| 22:03.26 | Vladinator | :P |
| 22:03.52 | Vladinator | 1 thick leather = 6 heavy leather = 30 medium leather = 120 light leather = 360 ruined leather scraps |
| 22:05.17 | Mr_Rabies | man |
| 22:05.33 | Mr_Rabies | something about using an addon that says "this action requers a reload" is concerning, slightly |
| 22:06.00 | xyphoid | at least it's not a reboot |
| 22:06.01 | mckenziemc | sic? |
| 22:06.18 | Mr_Rabies | yeah mckenziemc |
| 22:06.30 | mckenziemc | hehe |
| 22:06.56 | Mr_Rabies | one sec vlad |
| 22:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | Vladinator: http://mop.wowhead.com/item=49040 |
| 22:07.44 | Vladinator | oh, nice |
| 22:07.59 | Vladinator | http://i.imgur.com/hd4fi.jpg |
| 22:08.45 | mckenziemc | find sometnhing that takes heavy savage leather |
| 22:09.56 | Mr_Rabies | hrm |
| 22:09.58 | mckenziemc | how do you get it to show the materials breakdown? |
| 22:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | http://mop.wowhead.com/item=34061 vlad? :o |
| 22:10.13 | Mr_Rabies | you should totes post this on userscripts.org vlad :p |
| 22:13.40 | Mr_Rabies | oh god emma no |
| 22:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | [18:10]Ol' Emma says: Where's the water, Emma? Get the water, Emma? If'n it weren't fer me, that lot wouldn't know what water looks like. |
| 22:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | [18:10]Melris Malagan says: My family was wiped out by the Scourge! MONSTER! |
| 22:14.42 | Mr_Rabies | [18:10]Renato Gallina says: GET A ROPE! |
| 22:16.22 | Vladinator | sec |
| 22:16.46 | Vladinator | http://i.imgur.com/FyEA9.jpg |
| 22:19.41 | Vladinator | http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/113351 |
| 22:21.37 | Vladinator | and yes I did contact them but no reply |
| 22:21.44 | Vladinator | I don't think there are any moderators or that they care lol |
| 22:28.15 | Adys | Maldivia: good to finally see some of the old doctor again |
| 22:37.34 | foxlit | I just finished a random cata heroic as a dps through the dungeon finder. |
| 22:37.57 | foxlit | "Roll face on keyboard" seems to have been the most popular strategy |
| 22:38.59 | Unkle | it is. it works! |
| 22:39.07 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 22:39.22 | Mr_Rabies | when i run random heroics on my main i mostly tank now, in cat form |
| 22:39.37 | Mr_Rabies | i should queue up as a tank and then just dps |
| 22:39.52 | Mr_Rabies | oh man |
| 22:39.53 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me |
| 22:40.05 | Mr_Rabies | i should get a group going for the cata dungeon achieves |
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| 22:42.06 | sintAcks | lolz. all the bigwigs modules updates. yay for curse premium. <3 AcidWeb |
| 22:44.14 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i could justify the cost of curse premium |
| 22:44.34 | sintAcks | I'm not going to like next month when I don't have it anymore. lol |
| 22:45.07 | Sintacks | I could just download spark |
| 22:45.14 | Sintacks | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOlololololol |
| 22:45.15 | Mr_Rabies | if i used curse for more than just addons i'd probably do it |
| 22:45.34 | Sintacks | well, i do use curse for 4 different wow installs (but it'll be three soon enough) |
| 22:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | different installs? O_o |
| 22:46.22 | Sintacks | mine, brother's on a different computer, beta and ptr |
| 22:46.37 | Mr_Rabies | ah |
| 22:47.02 | Mr_Rabies | when's beta over, anyway? |
| 22:47.08 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't played it in months |
| 22:47.30 | Sintacks | no idea. but i haven't played but maybe 10 hours total of it |
| 22:49.35 | Mr_Rabies | same, if even |
| 22:49.44 | Mr_Rabies | i don't wanna burn myself out on it |
| 22:50.04 | Mr_Rabies | i just checked out the new mechanics and what addons were broke for 5.0, pretty much |
| 22:50.12 | Mr_Rabies | i didn't wanna spoil all the story and whatnot |
| 22:50.24 | Mr_Rabies | i forsee player burnout being huge this expansion |
| 22:50.38 | Mr_Rabies | because the beta was so open and lengthy |
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| 22:54.21 | amro | Mr_Rabies: as opposed to being massive for the other expansions? :P |
| 22:55.01 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: blue post said it'll probably up right up to the launch or even after (not that many people will care if it is up after:P) |
| 22:55.53 | Mr_Rabies | what do you mean, amro |
| 22:56.18 | amro | I mean there's been huge player burnout every expansion |
| 22:56.22 | Mr_Rabies | this beta's had way more access than any prior, i'd say |
| 22:56.45 | Mr_Rabies | and it's probably been semi-open for longer than any other one, as well |
| 22:57.02 | Mr_Rabies | the combination means they're gonna have to do a LOT of work towards the end of this expansion to keep subscribers |
| 22:57.57 | Gnarfoz | they could just, you know, not have a 9.5 month streak at the end of it without new content |
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| 22:58.26 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 22:58.29 | Mr_Rabies | that would be ideal |
| 22:58.38 | End_ | not having a big gap would be pretty helpful |
| 22:58.44 | Mr_Rabies | i think they were expecting diablo to be done by december '11 |
| 22:58.49 | Mr_Rabies | and MoP by may |
| 22:58.57 | Gnarfoz | diablo is unrelated to wow, really |
| 22:59.17 | Gnarfoz | and I have no idea what kind of time-planning they do beforehand |
| 22:59.22 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 22:59.27 | Gnarfoz | if they "expected it in may", well |
| 22:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | there's gotta be a reason they didn't hold up on their goal for this to be the "quickest expansion yet" |
| 22:59.39 | Gnarfoz | what does that even mean :D |
| 23:00.01 | Mr_Rabies | with less downtime than previous expansions |
| 23:00.03 | Gnarfoz | true, but did they mean shortest development time? least content? :D |
| 23:00.07 | Mr_Rabies | and then it became the longest |
| 23:00.33 | Mr_Rabies | the time from 4.3->5.0 was supposed to be way, way shorter than it was |
| 23:02.16 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
| 23:02.25 | Mr_Rabies | my guildy's tailoring is bugged |
| 23:02.35 | Mr_Rabies | he can't get Northrend Cloth Scavenging |
| 23:02.43 | Mr_Rabies | (which should be renamed, what the heck) |
| 23:03.10 | Mr_Rabies | er, Northern Cloth Scavenging |
| 23:04.46 | End_ | do you still need to do a quest to unlock it even? |
| 23:05.23 | End_ | oh it's a book? my memory is not so great |
| 23:06.18 | End_ | oh no, I see the quests too |
| 23:09.46 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, not a lot of info on it recently |
| 23:12.41 | Primer | so I just DCd, reconnected, immediately DCd again, repeat, repeat |
| 23:13.31 | Primer | I never did change my secret question or password after the blizzard breakin. I guess I was trying to make a point, namely that I thought it'd be unlikely that the passwords would be cracked |
| 23:14.09 | Primer | Not do I have an authenticator |
| 23:14.15 | Primer | s/Not/Nor/ |
| 23:14.21 | cbreak | then add one? :) |
| 23:14.27 | mckenziemc | gg Primer |
| 23:14.28 | cbreak | if you have a mobile phone |
| 23:14.34 | Primer | I do |
| 23:14.45 | Primer | Nor do I run any AV |
| 23:15.04 | cbreak | AVs are for windows users |
| 23:15.08 | Primer | haven't run an AV in...ever |
| 23:17.00 | znf | I'm a windows user |
| 23:17.03 | znf | I don't run an AV |
| 23:17.13 | Primer | This machine is running windows |
| 23:18.04 | Primer | in fact, I had a problem with my SSD about a week ago. Once I fixed it (it was either a bad SATA cable or the controller or the firmware upgrade that fixed it), I ran a "scan" for shits and giggles |
| 23:18.25 | Primer | The "online" one from trendmicro...it didn't find a thing |
| 23:21.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar (~chatzilla@72.188.164.101) |
| 23:21.26 | Adys | whats the lua equivalent of for i in range(100)? |
| 23:21.35 | foxlit | for i=1,100 do |
| 23:22.10 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 23:22.20 | foxlit | or 0,100, as it happens. |
| 23:22.28 | Adys | thanks |
| 23:23.51 | Adys | huh |
| 23:23.53 | Adys | lua> for i in 1,3 do print(i) end |
| 23:23.53 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call a number value |
| 23:24.07 | Adys | oh right im a twat |
| 23:27.11 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 23:43.58 | Vladinator | !lua for I=1,3 do print("\n")end |
| 23:43.58 | batbot | Vladinator: |
| 23:44.01 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 23:47.22 | *** part/#wowuidev randomDude (~randomDud@ppp246-192.static.internode.on.net) |
| 23:51.00 | mckenziemc | ~trout Vladinator |
| 23:51.01 | purl | ACTION slaps Vladinator around a bit with a large trout! |
| 23:51.10 | Vladinator | ~spank mckenziemc |
| 23:51.10 | purl | ACTION bends mckenziemc over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on mckenziemc's pasty white buttocks. |
| 23:57.02 | Kaylin | roars fearsomely. |
| 23:57.19 | Vladinator | challenges back with a fierce roar! |
| 23:59.24 | Vladinator | I feel sorry for Kaelten on curse, the only assignee on the ticket system lol. |
