| 00:04.37 | Stanzilla | hrmpf http://i.imgur.com/BmDwb.png |
| 00:04.42 | Stanzilla | close but not really good |
| 00:06.02 | Gnarfoz | zenburn ftw |
| 00:06.27 | Stanzilla | that's how it looks in firefox http://i.imgur.com/5cNv1.jpg |
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| 00:14.36 | karl_w_w | wow Stanzilla's real name is Stan |
| 00:14.40 | karl_w_w | whodathunkit |
| 00:15.59 | karl_w_w | he also uses tables for layout and defines styles in html, how disappointing |
| 00:16.10 | kd3 | eek |
| 00:16.29 | Stanzilla | I dont, the guy who wrote this does :D |
| 00:16.45 | karl_w_w | phew |
| 00:16.55 | Stanzilla | also notepad++ drives me nuts right now |
| 00:17.25 | karl_w_w | I'm not surprised |
| 00:18.36 | Neffi | but NP++ is a cool guy |
| 00:19.31 | karl_w_w | he highlight syntax and doesn't afraid of anything? |
| 00:21.00 | pompy | why stanzilla |
| 00:24.51 | karl_w_w | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/subway1.png now that made me chuckle |
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| 00:26.36 | kd3 | wtf; http://imgur.com/HZNgC |
| 00:30.00 | karl_w_w | it works as well |
| 00:30.09 | karl_w_w | you'll NEVER impregnate anyone wearing that |
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| 00:34.49 | Stanzilla | pompy: because the style editor settings are bullshit |
| 00:38.50 | znf | DK tanking is DW or 2H? |
| 00:41.57 | pompy | Stanzilla: liiike? |
| 00:43.12 | Jammer | znf: 2h |
| 00:43.31 | znf | oh well, 2x Souldrinkers will have to do |
| 00:46.20 | Jammer | znf: you will gimp your threat if you dw |
| 00:46.33 | znf | I just want to solo some thingies |
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| 00:55.47 | kd3 | ick |
| 00:55.52 | kd3 | [2500 Daily Quests Complete] |
| 00:57.37 | karl_w_w | it's pretty sad they made the normal quests achiece account wide but didnt increase the number |
| 00:57.40 | karl_w_w | achieve* |
| 00:58.52 | karl_w_w | I've done nearly 9000 quests on my main |
| 01:08.25 | znf | *cough*nolife*cough* |
| 01:10.06 | karl_w_w | I see, and you're what, trying for an irony world record? |
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| 01:23.38 | mckenziemc | gg karl_w_w |
| 01:23.47 | mckenziemc | takes away karl_w_w's life |
| 01:25.06 | karl_w_w | murderer! |
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| 01:42.00 | znf | Does anyone know anything abou the legandary thingie and lfr? |
| 01:42.15 | znf | I mean, I know you can get stuff from LFR for the legendary - but can you do both LFR and Normal and get 'stuff'? |
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| 01:43.34 | nebula169 | would imagine so |
| 01:44.34 | nebula169 | silly blizzard, saying "oh you don't neeeeeed to run lfr. unless you want to get your legendary gem faster" |
| 01:44.47 | nebula169 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.27 | znf | also |
| 01:46.50 | znf | "we don't want everyone to transmog to legendaries - if everyone runs around with sulfuras, it won't be legendary anymore" |
| 01:46.56 | znf | >puts a legendary in lfr |
| 01:49.45 | nebula169 | i mean, its just a gem, i hope the later stages of the actual legendary are a bit more difficult to accomplish |
| 01:50.42 | starlon | sulfuras is a gem |
| 01:51.02 | kd3 | rolls his eyes |
| 01:51.04 | starlon | hammer times. |
| 01:51.24 | znf | I logged on my druid |
| 01:51.29 | znf | I have no idea what I'm doing here :D |
| 01:51.40 | Semlar | maul and swipe? |
| 01:51.57 | znf | Never really knew how to play it properly |
| 01:52.04 | znf | had a hybrid bear/cat spec before patch |
| 01:52.15 | znf | Now all these talents and shits... can't understand anything |
| 01:52.24 | kd3 | slow down, read. try stuff out |
| 01:52.58 | starlon | hurry, panic, faceroll |
| 01:53.03 | End_ | I like clicking on the panda npcs so they say slow down |
| 01:53.42 | starlon | snuggles up to kd3. |
| 01:54.48 | znf | You move like a pregnant Yak |
| 01:54.49 | znf | lol |
| 01:57.38 | znf | why do I have 2 Stempeding Roars on my action bars? :o |
| 01:57.45 | znf | and they're different spell ids |
| 01:58.38 | xyphoid | bear/cat? |
| 01:59.10 | znf | there's no restriction on them |
| 01:59.15 | znf | and the spell book has only 1 spell now |
| 02:01.03 | mckenziemc | Patent #2000530058960.5 |
| 02:01.11 | mckenziemc | half a patent? :o |
| 02:02.11 | karl_w_w | yes mckenziemc |
| 02:02.15 | karl_w_w | umad? |
| 02:03.25 | mckenziemc | patents a method for stabbing karl_w_w |
| 02:07.59 | starlon | stabs mckenziemc using his own patent tech. |
| 02:08.58 | mckenziemc | it only works on people with an a in their nick, starlon. |
| 02:09.21 | starlon | only on days ending in y |
| 02:09.39 | mckenziemc | that too |
| 02:13.14 | karl_w_w | you cant stab anyone with half a patent |
| 02:13.21 | karl_w_w | it just turns into sort of a massage |
| 02:19.00 | mckenziemc | i had to make a different patent to avoid royalties on that one |
| 02:19.21 | mckenziemc | pivot lanterns aren't very useful for stabbing anyway |
| 02:26.36 | Neffi | patents the loop. |
| 02:26.40 | Neffi | Everyone pay the fuck up |
| 02:30.37 | mckenziemc | shows evidence of prior art. |
| 02:30.48 | znf | Are there any more "satchels" for dungeon finder? |
| 02:31.06 | mckenziemc | yeah but just once a week |
| 02:31.31 | znf | wut |
| 02:31.40 | Dagmar | They give satchels for people who were once total dbags and are now helpful, encouraging players |
| 02:31.59 | mckenziemc | you mean the call to arms ones? |
| 02:32.01 | znf | yeah |
| 02:32.06 | znf | call to tank! |
| 02:32.16 | mckenziemc | i've seen someone one recently |
| 02:32.53 | starlon | juries don't pay attention to prior art claims. :P |
| 02:33.09 | Dagmar | They're supposed to |
| 02:33.35 | Dagmar | Mis-instructed juries assembled by lawyers who are idiots do |
| 02:33.50 | starlon | Which is why I think the Apple vs. Samsung verdict will be overturned. HOpefully. |
| 02:33.58 | Dagmar | That Apple verdict is going to get tossed with a vengeance |
| 02:34.05 | starlon | :) |
| 02:34.13 | starlon | keeps hoping. |
| 02:34.30 | Dagmar | Liek Samsung's just going to cough up a billion dollars |
| 02:34.43 | Dagmar | Half that shit isn't even patentable |
| 02:35.11 | Dagmar | The patent system is just broken. |
| 02:35.16 | starlon | zooms in on Dagmar with a pinch. |
| 02:35.28 | starlon | Dagmar: I agree entirely. |
| 02:39.40 | Neffi | I'll laugh if one day aliens land, claim to have made life on earth, and claim a patent on proteins, and force us into slave labour to pay it |
| 02:40.15 | Neffi | "Each of your citizens is infringing upon our intellectual property millions of times per hour!" |
| 02:41.49 | mckenziemc | profits off Neffi. |
| 02:42.07 | Neffi | ilu daddy |
| 02:42.13 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 02:42.14 | Neffi | can i be ur bottom bitch? |
| 02:43.10 | mckenziemc | you must have me confused with Torhal |
| 02:44.09 | Torhal | mckenziemc: You're one weird fucker. |
| 02:45.05 | karl_w_w | my god all this waiting around for telstra is doing my head in |
| 02:49.42 | Dagmar | I need new chest armor: http://imgur.com/3MLei |
| 02:52.10 | karl_w_w | what game is that |
| 02:54.07 | Thunder_Child | Guild Wars 2 |
| 02:54.46 | Dagmar | I've no idea what's going on with the chest armor model for that piece |
| 02:55.39 | Dagmar | ...and I'm in a level range where all the armor is weird. I suspect that I might actually need to start stacking vitality now, because all my options seem to involve that |
| 02:55.47 | starlon | patents the process of skinning a cat. |
| 02:56.09 | Dagmar | You can really feel the pressure to buy gold in that game |
| 02:56.28 | Dagmar | I blew past 60 with nowhere near enough money for the level 60 skills book |
| 02:56.51 | xyphoid | weird |
| 02:56.58 | xyphoid | i have 2g at 54 or so |
| 02:57.06 | xyphoid | no ah sale |
| 02:57.07 | xyphoid | s |
| 02:57.19 | Dagmar | You've been selling your drops, I take it? |
| 02:57.24 | Dagmar | Just to the vendors I mean |
| 02:57.48 | xyphoid | a couple, but mostly salvaging them instead |
| 02:58.03 | xyphoid | i have been completing maps though |
| 02:58.08 | Dagmar | Ah... |
| 02:58.23 | xyphoid | events are pretty lucrative too and i beeline for them |
| 02:58.25 | Dagmar | Yeah they give you money for that, but I get killed a bit because yay cloth |
| 02:58.38 | xyphoid | also i am reluctant to fast travel much |
| 02:58.44 | Dagmar | Events are why I am still blazing a level every hour or two |
| 02:58.57 | Dagmar | I am thinking I maybe need to swear off teleporting |
| 02:59.20 | xyphoid | also check the AH for the book because some people buy them by accident and resell |
| 02:59.35 | Dagmar | Hmm... there's an idea |
| 02:59.55 | Dagmar | Mainly I've been flipping vials of thin blood, just to try to use the excess to up tailoriing |
| 02:59.57 | xyphoid | i know the 10s book was going for 1.5s |
| 03:00.08 | Dagmar | The 10s book was actually pretty easy |
| 03:00.30 | xyphoid | also chests respawn each day |
| 03:00.44 | Dagmar | ...but most of the crafting seems designed wrong, basically. |
| 03:00.52 | xyphoid | so if you find a chest in a current-level zone, may as well go back a few times |
| 03:01.10 | Dagmar | Yeah that would be another thing fast travel is keeping me out of. Heh |
| 03:01.25 | Dagmar | I've just been going from heart to heart and doing any challenge points I see |
| 03:01.27 | xyphoid | crafting has been pretty good for me |
| 03:01.41 | xyphoid | i have kept up with level-appropriate gear for leatherworking and jewellery without farming |
| 03:01.48 | xyphoid | except for the 45-50 jewellery bit |
| 03:02.01 | Dagmar | Xyphoid: For tailoring at least it seems that all the recipes you can make are useless unless they are the ones that take fifteen of the megic ingredient |
| 03:02.06 | xyphoid | i do beeline for resource nodes of course |
| 03:02.11 | Dagmar | There's exact duplicates dropping in the world by the boatload |
| 03:02.41 | Dagmar | So, the yellow items are selling, but they cost so much to make it's irksome to put all my capital into three pieces, even if i can actually make a profit |
| 03:02.53 | xyphoid | well, i'm not trying to sell levelling gear on the ah |
| 03:03.23 | xyphoid | that seems like an even worse market to bother with than selling skillup gear in WoW |
| 03:03.25 | Dagmar | Well, the thing is that if you can't sell leveling gear then basically everything but the highest recipes are bloody useless, and that's wrong |
| 03:03.36 | xyphoid | i craft up stuff and wear it |
| 03:03.59 | Dagmar | I *was* doing that and then I started noticing I could get gear from karma, and all the drops |
| 03:04.19 | xyphoid | i mean i don't think crafting low-end gear is really supposed to be a market situation |
| 03:04.22 | Dagmar | Sadly I was level 30 before I noticed that those guys sold stuff |
| 03:04.29 | Dagmar | I thought all they did was give instructions. Heh |
| 03:04.36 | xyphoid | heart vendors? yeah |
| 03:04.46 | xyphoid | there's some pretty crazy stuff for sale out in the world |
| 03:05.07 | xyphoid | i just ran across a quaggan who sells the might boosters you can get for gems for 1s each |
| 03:05.12 | xyphoid | or a close equivalent |
| 03:05.24 | Dagmar | When I finally get back around to cooking, that might be something useful |
| 03:05.44 | Dagmar | I've been buying nuts and berries off them |
| 03:06.00 | xyphoid | it took me so long to notice the deposit-all-collectibles button |
| 03:06.10 | Dagmar | I've also gotten more than a few totally oddball buffs, like a pot that just turns you orange. |
| 03:06.14 | Dagmar | Just... orange. |
| 03:06.39 | Dagmar | I have hopes for the teleport gun. |
| 03:07.21 | Dagmar | If I'm lucky it won't suck like the elementalist teleport |
| 03:07.21 | karl_w_w | did they axe that "dispel dispels everything" change? |
| 03:07.32 | Dagmar | ...which basically gets stuck going up or down a curb. |
| 03:08.11 | Dagmar | SOme of the animal shapeshift potions are not as useless as all that |
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| 03:23.36 | karl_w_w | "We use pan-DARE-en and pan-DARE-ee-a (as I said before, like "bacteria")." <- why does GC keep saying this? if it was like bacteria it would be pan-DEE-ree-a |
| 03:25.58 | Dagmar | Because people keep mispronouncing it on video blogs |
| 03:27.02 | karl_w_w | that doesnt explain why he contradicts himself every time |
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| 03:34.46 | karl_w_w | besides, pan-DAR-ee-a is the correct pronounciation and I have proof! C:\Program Files\Warcraft III\War3xlocal.mpq\Units\Creeps\PandarenBrewmaster\PandarenBrewmasterWarcry1.wav |
| 03:35.46 | Torhal | karl_w_w: ot a valid URL. |
| 03:35.49 | Torhal | Not* |
| 03:37.57 | mckenziemc | kraps: you say bac-TEE-ree-a? |
| 03:41.25 | Semlar | i'm going to start pronouncing it panda-ria like pizzeria |
| 03:42.00 | karl_w_w | it is on my system Torhal! |
| 03:42.13 | Torhal | karl_w_w: :/ |
| 03:42.42 | karl_w_w | I doubt there's any setup that would let your navigate to it directly though |
| 03:42.44 | Wobin | mckenziemc: ... I do? |
| 03:42.48 | karl_w_w | you* |
| 03:42.51 | Wobin | how else can you say bacteria? |
| 03:42.51 | mckenziemc | grafts Torhal onto karl_w_w's system |
| 03:43.17 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc: yeah, who doesnt say bac tee ria? |
| 03:43.31 | mckenziemc | bac tear ia |
| 03:43.35 | mckenziemc | rhymes with ear |
| 03:43.44 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 03:43.58 | karl_w_w | they're soft Es in tee |
| 03:44.02 | Wobin | I can't tell the difference =P |
| 03:44.09 | mckenziemc | what? |
| 03:44.16 | Wobin | I'm so terribly confused |
| 03:44.43 | mckenziemc | tee like a golf tee doesn't rhyme with tear like crying O.o |
| 03:44.43 | karl_w_w | we seem to agree that GC has it wrong though |
| 03:44.49 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 03:44.53 | Wobin | tear as in rip paper, or tear as in cry? |
| 03:45.04 | karl_w_w | that's because it isnt tee like golf tee |
| 03:45.13 | mckenziemc | i used to pronounce it his way then noticed it was wrong |
| 03:45.15 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: cry, i think |
| 03:45.18 | mckenziemc | but that's what you typed o.o |
| 03:45.19 | Semlar | it's tee like.. what |
| 03:45.25 | Semlar | there's only one way to pronounce tee |
| 03:45.30 | Wobin | 'tea' |
| 03:45.38 | mckenziemc | is the same |
| 03:45.53 | karl_w_w | it's like tere |
| 03:45.56 | karl_w_w | as in here |
| 03:45.59 | Arrowmaster | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/En-us-bacteria.ogg |
| 03:46.05 | mckenziemc | that's not tee |
| 03:46.14 | karl_w_w | yes it is |
| 03:46.18 | mckenziemc | ... |
| 03:46.26 | mckenziemc | where are you getting an r from in tee? |
| 03:46.28 | karl_w_w | wtf, he said tiria |
| 03:46.38 | Semlar | ..... |
| 03:46.39 | Arrowmaster | thats how its pronounced |
| 03:46.44 | karl_w_w | don |
| 03:46.46 | karl_w_w | 't lie |
| 03:46.57 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc: the R comes after the tee |
| 03:47.04 | Arrowmaster | wikipedia doesnt lie |
| 03:47.14 | Primer | I got some dude telling me expertise == hit for casters now |
| 03:47.15 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: but you're not combining it that way |
| 03:47.30 | Primer | I'm looking at a lock with his wand (main hand) reforged from mastery to expertise |
| 03:47.31 | mckenziemc | you're separating it into two syllables in your pronunciation thing o.O |
| 03:47.48 | karl_w_w | i am? |
| 03:47.54 | Arrowmaster | IPA is /bæk't??ri?/ |
| 03:47.56 | karl_w_w | pretty sure im not |
| 03:48.12 | Semlar | nobody knows how to read the IPA |
| 03:48.24 | mckenziemc | if it was like bacteria it would be pan-DEE-ree-a |
| 03:48.35 | karl_w_w | my irc client isn't even diaplying the special characters in that :P |
| 03:48.43 | mckenziemc | vs. pan-deer-ee-a etc |
| 03:48.48 | karl_w_w | pretty much mckenziemc |
| 03:48.59 | mckenziemc | pretty much what :o |
| 03:49.08 | karl_w_w | pan-DEE-ree-a |
| 03:49.27 | mckenziemc | i forgot to use quotes btw, more confusion |
| 03:49.33 | Semlar | panderpia |
| 03:49.51 | mckenziemc | pan-DEE-ree-a <- the second syllable would sound like the name of the letter |
| 03:49.54 | karl_w_w | deer as in "do, a deer, a female deer"? |
| 03:50.10 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 03:50.14 | karl_w_w | yes, the second syllable is the letter |
| 03:50.26 | Torhal | YOu all have serious issues. |
| 03:50.32 | Arrowmaster | agreed |
| 03:50.50 | mckenziemc | so you say bac-TEE-re-a with the second syllable sounding like the name of the letter T? o.O |
| 03:50.51 | Wobin | This is not a surprising observation =P |
| 03:51.13 | karl_w_w | no, because that's a different word mckenziemc |
| 03:51.28 | mckenziemc | what |
| 03:51.40 | karl_w_w | fuck now you're even confusing me |
| 03:51.44 | mckenziemc | again, "if it was like bacteria it would be pan-DEE-ree-a" (but with quotes this time) |
| 03:51.56 | mckenziemc | you said that |
| 03:52.37 | karl_w_w | ok that wasnt a good way of describing the sound |
| 03:52.54 | Arrowmaster | i was going to try to shift the conversation but wikipedia doesnt have a 'listen' link for prounciation of aluminum |
| 03:52.54 | mckenziemc | ok |
| 03:52.56 | karl_w_w | pan-dere-ia would be closer, dere like here |
| 03:53.03 | Wobin | It should sound like <cut to live feed> that |
| 03:53.10 | mckenziemc | now we're on the same page |
| 03:53.29 | mckenziemc | (i think) |
| 03:53.39 | karl_w_w | i have no idea where arrow is coming from with his tiria |
| 03:53.41 | Wobin | checks the bottom. 49? |
| 03:53.59 | karl_w_w | but, even if it was tiria, GC would still be way off :P |
| 03:54.16 | mckenziemc | yeah |
| 03:54.19 | Wobin | So we all agree that GC is wacky with the pronunciation! =) |
| 03:54.29 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 03:55.05 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: where are you from? |
| 03:55.38 | mckenziemc | perth, australia |
| 03:55.43 | karl_w_w | UK |
| 03:55.53 | karl_w_w | Perth is where I am |
| 03:56.05 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 03:56.18 | mckenziemc | i read the question too fast >.> |
| 03:56.23 | Arrowmaster | what i linked is the way its prounced in america, i have no clue what the british english prounciation is |
| 03:56.40 | karl_w_w | I got up at 7.30 a-fucking-m because a telstra technician was supposed to come between 8 and 12, it's now 12 |
| 03:56.53 | Primer | oscarucb: so yeah, IdiotCheck is saying expertise is a bad stat for locks, but apparently expertise now grants spell hit |
| 03:56.53 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 03:57.08 | mckenziemc | Primer: o.O |
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| 03:59.51 | mckenziemc | and btw Kraps i entered the wrong name |
| 04:00.12 | mckenziemc | nvm he's not here anyway, takes care of that |
| 04:00.14 | karl_w_w | Arrowmaster: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bacteria has a correct (british) pronunciation :P |
| 04:01.01 | mckenziemc | without actually knowing IPA that looks the same as the sound clip he linked |
| 04:02.00 | karl_w_w | there's a sound clip |
| 04:02.10 | Primer | mckenziemc: what? |
| 04:02.16 | Primer | It's what I'm just now finding out |
| 04:02.18 | mckenziemc | maybe noscript is hiding it |
| 04:02.19 | karl_w_w | the US one seems to be computer generated though |
| 04:02.28 | karl_w_w | yeah it is done in flash |
| 04:02.28 | Primer | expertise, even racials, give spell hit |
| 04:02.30 | Primer | for casters |
| 04:02.37 | mckenziemc | verified? |
| 04:02.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah is there a sound clip on that page im not seeing because of noscript? |
| 04:03.04 | karl_w_w | seems so Arrowmaster |
| 04:03.52 | karl_w_w | http://img2.tfd.com/pron/mp3/en/UK/dk/dkdhdhddsydosysldtgk.mp3 |
| 04:03.59 | karl_w_w | yay for firebug |
| 04:04.19 | mckenziemc | pron? |
| 04:04.25 | Arrowmaster | sounds the same to me |
| 04:04.53 | Arrowmaster | oh let me try your link, maybe its giving me american english ones |
| 04:06.04 | mckenziemc | am i the only one who noticed "pron" in that url D: |
| 04:06.12 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 04:06.40 | Arrowmaster | karl_w_w: sounds the same to me except with a british accent |
| 04:07.17 | karl_w_w | doesnt sound the same to me, in the US one the E sound was shorter and sharper |
| 04:08.39 | Arrowmaster | just sounds like a minor difference cause by the spead they are saying it, the wikipedia one is saying it a lot slower |
| 04:09.07 | Arrowmaster | speed |
| 04:09.10 | Arrowmaster | i cant type |
| 04:09.39 | mckenziemc | Primer: neither the spell hit nor melee expertise tooltips say anything about that but switching reg Sorrowsong with reg Left Eye of Rajh does increase my spell hit value o.O |
| 04:10.42 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w: it's just that the british one has more emphasis on the first syllable relative to the other clip |
| 04:12.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah its the same basic prounciation |
| 04:12.15 | Arrowmaster | its not like aluminum vs aluminium |
| 04:12.39 | karl_w_w | no, that's the omission of a whole letter |
| 04:12.55 | Arrowmaster | its more than that |
| 04:14.10 | mckenziemc | Primer: i wonder if that's a bug, and whether it's in the API or the actual mechanic formulae |
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| 04:14.51 | nebula169 | what bug? expertise functioning as spell hit? its intended |
| 04:15.24 | mckenziemc | how do you know? |
| 04:15.33 | nebula169 | blue posts talking about it |
| 04:15.39 | mckenziemc | i suppose it could make sense to replace potions |
| 04:15.41 | mckenziemc | ok |
| 04:15.56 | mckenziemc | just seemed odd since gear with expertise wouldn't have caster stats |
| 04:16.11 | Primer | mckenziemc: I was unable to find anything authoritative |
| 04:16.12 | nebula169 | yea, it does seem pretty silly |
| 04:16.22 | Primer | but I had a player call me a noob for calling out a lock with expertise on his weapon |
| 04:16.42 | mckenziemc | if he called you a noob then he's the noob, even if it does work now :o |
| 04:16.49 | mckenziemc | since that's a reasonable mistake to make |
| 04:17.11 | mckenziemc | i forgot to mention the trinket switch was on my balance druid |
| 04:17.25 | mckenziemc | in moonkin form |
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| 04:18.28 | nebula169 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4544194/Dev_Watercooler_%E2%80%93_Mists_of_Pandaria_Stat_Changes-3_1_2012 |
| 04:18.30 | nebula169 | Hit and spell hit will no longer be separate stats. The hit stat negates melee miss and spell miss. |
| 04:18.30 | nebula169 | Expertise will negate dodge and spell miss, then parry. |
| 04:19.35 | karl_w_w | to me the US pronounciation sounded like bactirria as in irrigation, but im bored of this topic and my internet connection now :P |
| 04:21.16 | mckenziemc | think that's directly tied to the emphasis |
| 04:21.37 | mckenziemc | but maybe we americans just can't hear that distinction :p |
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| 04:34.27 | Seganku | anyone having issues with being kicked (repeatedly) from their realm? |
| 04:36.54 | User632 | Servers are crashing. Word is someone posted a little bit of code that can be used to crash the server the user is on. |
| 04:37.15 | batbot | Shirik cannot destroy me. |
| 04:38.17 | Thunder_Child | DIAF batrick |
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| 04:55.19 | karl_w_w | oh em gee I have a phone line |
| 04:55.24 | karl_w_w | only took 6 weeks |
| 04:56.24 | karl_w_w | now to sign up to an isp and wait another week |
| 04:57.12 | Sintacks | I wonder if you can use cross realm zones, to trade BoA between two linked accounts .. |
| 04:57.42 | karl_w_w | ooh that's a good idea |
| 04:57.53 | Sintacks | raf works cross realm |
| 05:00.19 | karl_w_w | so who wants to place bets on whether i will have a wired internet connection by the time mists is released? |
| 05:00.50 | karl_w_w | im signing up right now, and the website says 5-10 day connection time, it doesnt specify if they are business days |
| 05:01.24 | Sintacks | oh... well shit.. you can't invite yourself to a group with linked accounts |
| 05:01.53 | karl_w_w | can somebody else invite both? |
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| 05:05.14 | Shirik | karl_w_w |
| 05:05.18 | Shirik | who the hell uses a phone line anymore |
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| 05:08.34 | Sintacks | :( |
| 05:08.39 | Sintacks | doesn't seem to work |
| 05:08.43 | Sintacks | the trade instantly closes when you try |
| 05:09.34 | Sintacks | damn. was worth trying. |
| 05:09.38 | Sintacks | would have been awesome |
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| 05:11.27 | Sintacks | doesn't work karl_w_w. :( |
| 05:11.35 | Sintacks | trade closes instantly when you try |
| 05:12.36 | Neffi | Whoa, that's a hardcore name there |
| 05:13.39 | karl_w_w | dont know if this message got through before I DCed: chances are you cant do it, because iirc from when they were talking about how new items are generated a while ago, each item has an ID which is unique to that realm |
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| 06:24.29 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 06:24.40 | Fisker | how the fuck do i verify the shit it asks me about? |
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| 06:28.38 | Fisker | oh then fuck you Stanzilla |
| 06:33.31 | Fisker | if my computer doesn't work now |
| 06:33.33 | Fisker | i'm killing you |
| 06:35.22 | Fisker | whoat |
| 06:35.24 | Fisker | whoa* |
| 06:35.39 | Fisker | did boot times just decrease significantly or did i pass out? |
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| 06:41.33 | Neffi | Leave it on for long? |
| 06:41.41 | Neffi | Maybe idle-time defrag rearranged boot files |
| 06:45.40 | Mr_Rabies | <Sintacks> oh... well shit.. you can't invite yourself to a group with linked accounts |
| 06:45.49 | Mr_Rabies | i've invited my trial account i use to make raid groups plenty of times |
| 06:45.57 | Mr_Rabies | that's attached to my account |
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| 06:59.40 | Neffi | wut http://www.wowbash.com/image-20640.html |
| 07:00.13 | randomDude | Fisker: lololololol |
| 07:00.21 | randomDude | wut is defrag |
| 07:00.45 | Neffi | some legacy feature from those days when we stored data on spinning cemaric disks |
| 07:01.15 | randomDude | nowadays real filesystems murder your wife and therefore don't need defragging |
| 07:01.25 | Neffi | LOL |
| 07:01.31 | Neffi | reiser jokes never get old |
| 07:02.03 | randomDude | but your mum does |
| 07:02.33 | Neffi | =( |
| 07:04.54 | karl_w_w | hahaha |
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| 07:05.36 | karl_w_w | background: in australia, the local councils (most of them, if not all) spray paint your house number on the curb |
| 07:05.53 | Neffi | wait what? |
| 07:06.15 | Fisker | lol no Neffi |
| 07:06.48 | karl_w_w | so this guy is on a corner of 2 streets, and when they painted his house number, they attributed his house to the wrong street and so he got the wrong number |
| 07:07.00 | karl_w_w | but because they're cheapskates, they wouldnt change it |
| 07:07.08 | Neffi | Wonderful local council dude |
| 07:07.13 | karl_w_w | and he had to change his address to be on the other street |
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| 07:10.00 | bluspacecow | silly australia |
| 07:10.17 | Neffi | What does your name even mean? |
| 07:10.31 | Neffi | Are you some sorta Tauren Shaman that RPs being from Outland? |
| 07:10.43 | bluspacecow | who me ? |
| 07:10.46 | Neffi | yeah |
| 07:11.00 | bluspacecow | inspired by the first time dranei were seen on my server |
| 07:11.14 | Neffi | Draenei are goats |
| 07:11.14 | bluspacecow | someone said in trade "ZOMG THERE GOES A BLUSPACECOW" |
| 07:11.23 | Neffi | lol |
| 07:15.38 | starlon | Beta's over right? |
| 07:16.08 | bluspacecow | not sure. |
| 07:16.16 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 07:16.18 | Neffi | !mop |
| 07:16.26 | bluspacecow | tried to log into them a few days ago and they were up |
| 07:16.31 | Neffi | 1 week 1 day till release |
| 07:16.32 | starlon | ah |
| 07:16.34 | Neffi | i'd say it is |
| 07:16.39 | starlon | nods. |
| 07:16.41 | bluspacecow | live's currently at a higher build then beta |
| 07:16.44 | bluspacecow | so *shrug* |
| 07:16.58 | starlon | I just wanted to make sure my addon worked when mousing over a monk. |
| 07:17.06 | starlon | I guess we'll see :D |
| 07:17.41 | karl_w_w | what does said addon do? |
| 07:18.24 | bluspacecow | play the rick roll song everytime you mouse over a monk |
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| 07:18.35 | starlon | what energy do monks use? |
| 07:18.44 | bluspacecow | beer |
| 07:18.47 | starlon | yay |
| 07:18.52 | nevcairiel | anyone happen to be italian (or speak it rather fluently), and can do a quick review of some translations? |
| 07:18.54 | bluspacecow | j/k |
| 07:18.56 | bluspacecow | chi |
| 07:18.56 | starlon | maybe I can get my step dad to play then |
| 07:18.59 | Neffi | starlon: Energy as their main resource, and chi as their 2ndary |
| 07:19.06 | starlon | ah |
| 07:19.10 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 07:19.14 | bluspacecow | i'm out of date lol |
| 07:19.18 | Neffi | chi is a point system on the player, like CPs. i think it caps at 3. |
| 07:19.39 | starlon | What's used in _G.PowerBarColor for monks? |
| 07:20.24 | starlon | Oh well. It'll be grey at first. |
| 07:20.24 | nevcairiel | energy |
| 07:20.29 | starlon | nevcairiel: thanks |
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| 07:20.56 | Neffi | Is this info not in FrameXML? |
| 07:21.09 | Neffi | It is on Wowpedia however |
| 07:21.32 | starlon | Oh right. IRC's for bullshitting and abusing Fisker only. |
| 07:21.40 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.40 | Neffi | mhmm |
| 07:21.56 | nevcairiel | irc is also not your personal encyclopedia. :P |
| 07:21.58 | bluspacecow | fanfiction downloader y i no update in 3 months |
| 07:22.03 | karl_w_w | unless it changes since i last checked, it caps at 4, but nothing uses more than 3 chi |
| 07:22.05 | Neffi | And for reflecting on why your code is broken |
| 07:22.11 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 07:22.20 | nevcairiel | speaking of abusing Fisker |
| 07:22.25 | starlon | well fuck |
| 07:22.37 | starlon | ~asktoask |
| 07:22.37 | purl | Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can. |
| 07:22.57 | karl_w_w | bullshit |
| 07:23.03 | Fisker | get that intel ME upgrade nevcairiel |
| 07:23.16 | nevcairiel | i updated yesterday |
| 07:23.25 | nevcairiel | not that i noticedany changes |
| 07:23.26 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel2.0 |
| 07:23.48 | Fisker | pretty sure i've never seen my computer boot this fast |
| 07:23.54 | Fisker | granted it's still in like 5-10 seconds |
| 07:23.58 | Fisker | but this seemed like 2-5 seconds |
| 07:24.23 | karl_w_w | think Fisker's had a bit of a puff |
| 07:24.36 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 07:24.49 | bluspacecow | haven't plugged the kindle to charge for a while |
| 07:24.54 | Fisker | pls bluspacecow |
| 07:24.55 | Fisker | kindle? |
| 07:25.17 | karl_w_w | kindle? more like kindling! |
| 07:25.19 | starlon | You guusy are never allowed to ask a question in here again. And your Fisker-abusing rights are up for review. |
| 07:26.39 | starlon | Cairenn|afk: You hear that? |
| 07:27.26 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 07:27.35 | karl_w_w | http://i45.tinypic.com/21o7si8.png wtf Torhal |
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| 07:36.05 | karl_w_w | http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-17/concern-raised-about-some-nbn-connections/4265364 cloud fucking cookoo land |
| 07:37.14 | karl_w_w | with spelling |
| 07:44.50 | nevcairiel | oh i nearly forgot, the theramore event opens today |
| 07:46.03 | bluspacecow | oh rly |
| 07:47.16 | karl_w_w | tomorrow*? |
| 07:47.44 | nevcairiel | blue post says 17-24 |
| 07:47.46 | nevcairiel | and its 17 |
| 07:48.11 | bluspacecow | oh my |
| 07:48.27 | bluspacecow | *blink* |
| 07:48.28 | bluspacecow | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/233738-theramores-fall-one-week-at-level-85/ |
| 07:48.29 | karl_w_w | oh bluspacecow's |
| 07:48.33 | EthanCentaurai | *yawn* morning all |
| 07:48.42 | Semlar | morning |
| 07:48.42 | bluspacecow | anyone else see a post from Lucy from 2011 in there ? |
| 07:48.47 | karl_w_w | don't let us bore you EthanCentaurai |
| 07:48.49 | bluspacecow | hihihihihi |
| 07:49.10 | bluspacecow | @nevcairiel http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6412423849?page=11#211 |
| 07:49.10 | Neffi | My unit tooltips feel too bare. Suggestions for info to add? http://i47.tinypic.com/ve8aqu.png |
| 07:49.10 | EthanCentaurai | hehe you guys aren't boring at all :p |
| 07:49.19 | bluspacecow | good |
| 07:49.25 | bluspacecow | i was about to do something …. drastic |
| 07:49.36 | EthanCentaurai | it's 8am and I just woke up ;_; |
| 07:49.43 | EthanCentaurai | scrounges around for coffee. |
| 07:49.48 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.49 | starlon | Neffi: That's a pretty clean looking tooltip. |
| 07:49.56 | Neffi | Thanks. But it's too clean. |
| 07:49.59 | Neffi | It needs more |
| 07:50.00 | Semlar | what are the bars |
| 07:50.19 | Neffi | Health/mana |
| 07:50.27 | karl_w_w | could always look at tiptac for ideas |
| 07:50.30 | Neffi | Cast bars implemented as an arrow that travels along the edge of right bar |
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| 07:51.06 | karl_w_w | buffs, unit's target, units targetting, your threat |
| 07:51.07 | Neffi | All the shots I find of tiptac just show the default info with some coloring |
| 07:51.21 | Neffi | I could indeed add threat |
| 07:51.23 | Neffi | doesn't PvP. |
| 07:51.28 | Neffi | s/PvP/PvE/ |
| 07:51.36 | Semlar | that's confusing |
| 07:51.42 | Semlar | make up your mind! |
| 07:52.02 | Neffi | Mind? I misplaced it somewhere a long time ago. |
| 07:52.09 | karl_w_w | I assume it shows afk/dnd? |
| 07:52.11 | nevcairiel | Someone who doesnt PvE is playing the wrong game with WoW tbh :D |
| 07:52.13 | Neffi | I swear it's around here somewhere. I'll look for it someday. |
| 07:52.26 | Neffi | I don't care for it to show AFK/DND |
| 07:52.41 | Neffi | I like WoW's PvP. And its social system. |
| 07:52.59 | randomDude | trade? |
| 07:53.02 | randomDude | social? |
| 07:53.07 | randomDude | lol'd |
| 07:53.08 | Neffi | Guilds |
| 07:53.12 | Neffi | People |
| 07:53.14 | nevcairiel | just saying its hardly a high pvp focused game |
| 07:53.25 | Neffi | Nah it's not, but I still find it fun enough to play |
| 07:53.26 | randomDude | what is though |
| 07:53.58 | karl_w_w | warhammer was, see how that turned out |
| 07:54.03 | karl_w_w | i hear gw2 is |
| 07:54.13 | randomDude | guild wars 2 look boss |
| 07:54.20 | nevcairiel | Plenty of MMOs have a high focus on pvp |
| 07:54.35 | randomDude | aion |
| 07:54.40 | karl_w_w | Neffi: spec |
| 07:54.52 | nevcairiel | Personally, i prefer beating up zombies over other players |
| 07:54.58 | nevcairiel | more predictable, less annoying |
| 07:54.59 | karl_w_w | or role |
| 07:55.00 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Oh yeah, I forgot that |
| 07:55.03 | karl_w_w | or both |
| 07:55.26 | Neffi | digs around for the API for spec. |
| 07:56.02 | Neffi | Is there a function, or does it involve inspecting things in the background? |
| 07:56.13 | nevcairiel | may require inspecting |
| 07:56.16 | Semlar | add the unit's target |
| 07:56.51 | Neffi | Am adding target |
| 07:56.53 | Neffi | Forgot that too |
| 07:57.03 | Semlar | try not to overdo it |
| 07:57.17 | Neffi | That's the point |
| 07:58.10 | Neffi | Is there a library for getting talent info about others? |
| 07:58.26 | Fisker | trips bluspacecow |
| 07:58.31 | Neffi | I really dont wanna write my own logic, and then have multiple addons hogging the inspect bandwidth |
| 07:58.33 | bluspacecow | *goes splat* |
| 07:58.40 | karl_w_w | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetInspectSpecialization |
| 07:59.00 | Neffi | Ugh. ctrl-F for "special" didn't show that |
| 07:59.37 | karl_w_w | just fire inspectnotify or whatever it is, wait for the event, and do ^ |
| 07:59.47 | Fisker | cries |
| 07:59.51 | Fisker | y u do dis bluspacecow ? |
| 07:59.58 | bluspacecow | u trips me |
| 08:00.02 | bluspacecow | and i clumsy |
| 08:00.29 | karl_w_w | shouldnt be too bad, and if the unit has already had inspectnotify done on them it gets cached so you dont need to worry about bandwidth |
| 08:01.04 | Neffi | I see that |
| 08:01.08 | Neffi | Nice that they gave us that |
| 08:01.21 | Semlar | doesn't tiptac do like all of this |
| 08:01.39 | Neffi | probably |
| 08:01.45 | Neffi | i don't know/care |
| 08:02.29 | karl_w_w | just make a layout template for tiptac, much less work for you :P |
| 08:03.07 | Fisker | i would never trip you bluspacecow |
| 08:03.13 | Neffi | If I didn't enjoy and take pride in writing my UI from scratch, it would be preferrable, yes |
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| 08:06.15 | karl_w_w | when you've done the whole ui you should release it :P |
| 08:08.00 | Neffi | I released a very WIP version on a Google Code page, but I stopped updating it because I wanna get everything "finished" before I really push it out there |
| 08:08.17 | Neffi | It really is very nice. My brother runs it and he loves it. But it's pretty PvP-oriented. |
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| 08:10.56 | Subspace | Neffi, What kind of things make it good? |
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| 08:12.03 | karl_w_w | there arent a lot of addons that are really needed in pve that wouldnt be there in pvp these days |
| 08:12.15 | karl_w_w | most people dont need a threat meter any more |
| 08:12.41 | karl_w_w | just dbm and maybe a dps meter |
| 08:12.48 | Neffi | After following the trends in UI design for the last 6 years, I've identified what design principles work well in a combat-centric situation, and those which are just flashy and cumbersome. I'm constantly tailoring and tweaking it around combat efficiency. |
| 08:13.28 | Neffi | I do have threat info. But it's just a little "tick" on friendly unit frames that shows threat on the target relative to gaining aggro. And colored depending on whether you have aggro. |
| 08:13.42 | Neffi | Nothing overly fancy in way of PvE |
| 08:14.27 | Neffi | Subspace: I can show you screenshots, but the little aspects of it like what stays out of your way and what's right there when you need it wouldn't be appreciated. |
| 08:14.55 | Neffi | If you wanna see it, this is the current state, although much needs to be done |
| 08:15.00 | Neffi | http://i45.tinypic.com/13z0kch.png / http://i48.tinypic.com/2whl5l3.png |
| 08:15.25 | Subspace | interesting |
| 08:16.33 | karl_w_w | gonna modify that error frame? :P |
| 08:16.35 | Subspace | No bars for spells? |
| 08:16.36 | Neffi | I really need to try my hand at other classes. I pretty much designed it as a rogue up until a week ago. Caster features were lacking until I made that alt. I bet there's things a DK or balance druid might want still. |
| 08:16.48 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Actually I removed the error frame an hour ago |
| 08:16.54 | Neffi | Subspace: Bars for what? |
| 08:17.11 | Semlar | action buttons |
| 08:17.14 | Neffi | DoTs? All auras besides player are filtered to only what the player casted |
| 08:17.17 | Subspace | Abilities (binds) |
| 08:17.21 | Neffi | Oh no |
| 08:17.40 | Neffi | I'm gonna make an action bar addon so I can do things like portals easily, and so other people can have whatever buttons they want |
| 08:17.42 | Subspace | Is there some interface to allow you to bind spells? |
| 08:17.46 | Neffi | But I hate action buttons on my screen |
| 08:17.57 | Neffi | Currently using BindPad, but I've got big ideas for a much better keybinding addon |
| 08:18.01 | Subspace | ahh |
| 08:18.35 | Neffi | I need to learn more about state and shit so I can make it flexible. So the action bar and keybinding addon will appear around the same time, when I'm not so busy with college. |
| 08:18.39 | Subspace | Are you tracking the CDs of your target? |
| 08:18.47 | Neffi | That's also planned |
| 08:18.51 | Subspace | Hmm |
| 08:18.55 | Neffi | Part of the a full-fledged DR tracker |
| 08:18.58 | Subspace | Ive got an addon that I'm working on that does that |
| 08:19.13 | Subspace | I broke it into a library and a display portion |
| 08:19.22 | Subspace | The library interface sucks atm |
| 08:19.25 | Neffi | lol |
| 08:19.35 | Subspace | But maybe if I fix it up a bit you can use it |
| 08:19.39 | Neffi | All my addons are broken into an event core, and Lua config |
| 08:19.49 | karl_w_w | there was an addon i think somebody here was making it |
| 08:19.54 | karl_w_w | that did keybindings |
| 08:20.13 | Neffi | You essentially write the addon with tables (for frames) and scripts. The "event core" watches the state of the game (like unit info on unit frames) and pushes updates out to the config's scripts. |
| 08:20.15 | karl_w_w | and it was just an on-screen representation of your keyboard |
| 08:20.40 | Neffi | The core is very small. Configuration is literally limitless. I could take it apart and rebuild a totally different UI without touching any part of the addon core. |
| 08:21.43 | Neffi | You could call the addons themselves more like event multiplexers that thunk changes in state for relevant data. |
| 08:22.20 | Subspace | If you want a DR tracker lib, let me know |
| 08:22.38 | Subspace | Right now the interface is terrible because only I am using it and its still pretty new and I dont really care |
| 08:22.44 | Neffi | Perhaps |
| 08:22.46 | Subspace | But if you want to use it, I will pretty it up |
| 08:22.55 | Neffi | But the way things are situated, I don't really rely on other libs |
| 08:23.00 | Subspace | Right now im more focused on functionality than interface |
| 08:23.04 | Neffi | My unit frame core is smaller than AceEvent |
| 08:23.20 | Subspace | My lib takes like 70kb |
| 08:23.25 | Subspace | well thats not really true |
| 08:23.33 | Neffi | If I did use a lib, the only thing the addon would be doing is pushing the Lua config through the widget builder. It would be left with no purpose. |
| 08:23.36 | Subspace | It takes more when it starts recording data |
| 08:24.07 | Subspace | Basically, you give a guid (or unitid, whatever) to my lib |
| 08:24.25 | bluspacecow | i read that as guild |
| 08:24.27 | Subspace | It tells you a list of spellids and their cd and when they were last used |
| 08:24.29 | bluspacecow | and was like wtf! |
| 08:24.31 | Neffi | Do you plan to keep it up to date with DRs for the foreseeable future? |
| 08:24.37 | Subspace | Yeah |
| 08:24.45 | Neffi | I'll look into it |
| 08:24.51 | Subspace | It has *every* CD in the game >1.5 sec right now |
| 08:24.53 | Neffi | Wait, DRs or enemy cooldowns? |
| 08:24.55 | Subspace | Even monk |
| 08:25.04 | Subspace | Though I have to organize them better |
| 08:25.09 | Subspace | Both |
| 08:25.14 | Neffi | Enemy cooldowns I'll be happy to use a lib for. No fucking way I wanna keep that much data up to date |
| 08:25.22 | Subspace | The addon does it |
| 08:25.25 | Subspace | And for very cheap |
| 08:25.31 | Neffi | But I'm also doing DR tracking |
| 08:25.39 | Neffi | Which I consider more important right now |
| 08:25.51 | Subspace | Right now it does enemy (and team) CDs |
| 08:25.53 | Neffi | So by the time I get to enemy CDs, yours will probably be finished |
| 08:25.56 | Subspace | But will add dr tracking soon |
| 08:26.32 | Subspace | Basically, you give it the guid or unitid, it spits back all the cds they have used and when |
| 08:26.43 | Subspace | Also probably their spec if you care to know |
| 08:26.56 | Subspace | And you can have it filter based on type of CD |
| 08:27.26 | Subspace | eg. interrupt, rotation, major offensive, minor defensive, misc, etc. |
| 08:28.02 | Subspace | It keeps track of Cold Snap/Preparation/Readiness and resets the required CDs |
| 08:28.30 | Subspace | Fixes eg. Barkskin from 60 sec to 45 sec if it detects a resto druid |
| 08:29.29 | Neffi | You should track passive CDs |
| 08:29.32 | Neffi | eg Cauterize |
| 08:29.39 | Neffi | Because I definitely want to |
| 08:30.06 | Subspace | I do |
| 08:30.14 | Subspace | EVERY CD in the game >1.5s I track |
| 08:30.46 | Subspace | It took forever to enter them from wowhead btw |
| 08:31.09 | Neffi | Build a Wowhead scraper |
| 08:31.18 | Subspace | Hmm not a bad idea |
| 08:31.32 | Subspace | Some are weird though |
| 08:31.46 | Subspace | Stoneform for instance is very weird |
| 08:32.07 | Subspace | Try doing an /eventtrace w/ stoneform |
| 08:32.24 | Neffi | Build it to spit out "WTF is going on here" when it encounters something weird so you can check manually |
| 08:32.47 | Semlar | i thought you could get the cooldown of a spell in game |
| 08:32.58 | Subspace | Semlar, Not what you think |
| 08:33.08 | Subspace | Only CD of a spell that you have used |
| 08:33.14 | Subspace | And it returns what is left on it |
| 08:33.30 | Subspace | So if I use a spell w/ 60 sec CD, 10 sec later it will give 50 sec not 60 |
| 08:33.39 | Subspace | Nevermind for enemies |
| 08:34.06 | Subspace | So I listen for enemy abilities and store the spellid and timestamp in a table w/ their guid |
| 08:34.13 | karl_w_w | what's meant to be weird about stoneform? |
| 08:34.25 | Subspace | Then when you target them, I can get the guid and do some math to figure out when it will be up again |
| 08:34.50 | Subspace | combat log event unfiltered |
| 08:35.05 | Subspace | When you use stoneform, it dosent act like every other instant cast spell |
| 08:35.21 | Subspace | It gives SPELL_AURA_APPLIED |
| 08:35.26 | Subspace | But no SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS |
| 08:35.40 | Subspace | Also, it gives SPELL_AURA_REMOVED |
| 08:35.49 | karl_w_w | i see |
| 08:36.04 | karl_w_w | what is this event COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE |
| 08:36.11 | karl_w_w | i've never noticed it before |
| 08:36.17 | randomDude | Fisker: http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkhih4tRW21qd9t37o1_500.gif |
| 08:36.21 | Subspace | not sure |
| 08:36.32 | Semlar | i know you can get the cooldown in game because i did it for one of my addons before |
| 08:36.54 | Semlar | i might have scraped the tooltip as a last resort |
| 08:37.01 | Subspace | Then you have SPELL_CAST_START for castable spells |
| 08:37.11 | karl_w_w | ah, Fires when a message is received which can be displayed by the default UI's floating combat text feature |
| 08:37.37 | Subspace | Semlar, CD for enemy CDS? |
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| 08:37.51 | Semlar | for any spell, you just need the id |
| 08:38.06 | Subspace | I dont think so |
| 08:38.32 | Semlar | it's not going to factor in the person's talents but neither is a hardcoded database |
| 08:38.35 | Subspace | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_GetSpellCooldown ? |
| 08:38.42 | Semlar | not getspellcooldown |
| 08:38.53 | Subspace | Semlar, My hardcoded database *DOES* factor in spec though |
| 08:39.01 | Subspace | And am working on talents |
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| 08:39.56 | Subspace | Semlar, If you can find such an API, please let me know |
| 08:40.05 | Semlar | well you can definitely pull it out of the tooltip |
| 08:40.14 | Subspace | Though it is a bit late now, since I have made my tables w/ many 100s of spells |
| 08:40.21 | Subspace | Eh, too slow |
| 08:40.50 | Subspace | Though how does the TT get it? |
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| 08:41.27 | Semlar | either tooltip:SetSpellByID or SetHyperlink |
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| 08:42.28 | Subspace | Oh thats hardcoded into the game :| |
| 08:42.52 | Subspace | Eh, a table seems cleaner |
| 08:42.53 | Semlar | it would be the same value wowhead has |
| 08:43.09 | Semlar | the cooldowns for spells are stored in the dbc files |
| 08:43.35 | Subspace | Right, I would rather just update my tables TBH |
| 08:43.39 | karl_w_w | this fel spirits is quite possible the worst quest in the game |
| 08:45.39 | Semlar | GetSpellBaseCooldown |
| 08:45.41 | Semlar | bam |
| 08:45.48 | Semlar | i knew i did it somehow |
| 08:46.22 | nebula169 | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal exception! oh noooooo |
| 08:46.31 | mitch0 | semlar: is that new? |
| 08:46.41 | nebula169 | karl_w_w: is that the one that only has like four spawns and the quest needs like 15? lol |
| 08:46.53 | Semlar | i have no idea when they added it |
| 08:46.55 | nebula169 | vaguely remember doing that in hellfire |
| 08:47.35 | Semlar | it appears to return milliseconds or something |
| 08:48.32 | mitch0 | semlar: it's not documented anywhere... |
| 08:48.34 | Semlar | i mean, it returns milliseconds. |
| 08:48.41 | Semlar | i just tried it in game |
| 08:48.47 | mitch0 | semlar: add it to wowpedia or wowprogramming.com ;) |
| 08:49.06 | Semlar | erg that sounds like work |
| 08:49.06 | bluspacecow | @nebula169 pastebin crash report from Errors folder ? |
| 08:49.16 | Subspace | Semlar, You want to document it or should I go figure out how to use it and document? |
| 08:49.36 | Semlar | it takes a spell id and returns the base cooldown in milliseconds |
| 08:49.49 | Subspace | ok |
| 08:49.54 | Subspace | I will prob document it later |
| 08:50.19 | Neffi | Do I call the script for class+race+sex "race" or "class" or "raceclass" or "info"? No, none of them are quite right. I call it "ethnicity". |
| 08:50.21 | Semlar | or nil if the id is invalid |
| 08:50.29 | Neffi | I hope somebody thumbs through the config and sees that |
| 08:50.54 | Semlar | call it asl |
| 08:50.58 | Antze | personality |
| 08:52.00 | nebula169 | bluspacecow: http://pastebin.com/JAk2V5FC my computer is slowly dying, though unless http://i.imgur.com/4cbOi.jpg is normal :p |
| 08:52.11 | Neffi | semlar: lol, that's another good one |
| 08:52.24 | Neffi | I think in each version I'll alternate it |
| 08:52.40 | Neffi | 'afl', '14/f/nj', 'ethnicity', 'skincolor' |
| 08:52.46 | Neffi | asl* |
| 08:52.59 | bluspacecow | not liking the unknown symbols in teh stack trace |
| 08:53.10 | bluspacecow | does all those then AssertAndCrash |
| 08:53.58 | karl_w_w | nebula169: nah it's the one in hellfire where the dude's brother died and he sends you to kill orcs in vengeance, and you have to drop this relic thing |
| 08:54.16 | Semlar | oh god i have been working on maps too long |
| 08:54.24 | Semlar | i can translate those coordinates into a location |
| 08:54.33 | bluspacecow | your dreaming of galileo ? |
| 08:54.36 | nebula169 | yea, i'm pretty sure i killed every orc there and still needed a few more for the quest |
| 08:54.38 | Semlar | Local Player: Nebqt, 0600000006320A22, (530, -2596.21, 4141.99, 27.0295) |
| 08:54.45 | nebula169 | don't hate on qts |
| 08:54.58 | karl_w_w | the relic only has 50% uptime, the mobs are ~3 levels above you, you have to kill them within like 15 yards of the relic, and when they die you have to kill the replica orc that spawns |
| 08:55.02 | karl_w_w | and u have to do it 10 times |
| 08:55.09 | karl_w_w | its so stupid |
| 08:56.38 | karl_w_w | padfoots bluspacecow? really? |
| 08:56.46 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 08:57.01 | karl_w_w | and not even a druid |
| 08:57.03 | karl_w_w | wtf |
| 08:58.24 | bluspacecow | :_: |
| 08:58.33 | bluspacecow | can't remember where i was levelling at |
| 08:59.12 | Semlar | maybe the command board knows |
| 08:59.25 | bluspacecow | i go asks it :3 |
| 08:59.36 | Semlar | GLORY TO THE COMMAND BOARD |
| 09:01.45 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 09:01.57 | Fisker | do you know where Stanzilla lives? |
| 09:02.06 | bluspacecow | ONABOAT |
| 09:02.08 | bluspacecow | INAMOAT |
| 09:02.20 | Fisker | umad? |
| 09:02.28 | bluspacecow | so mad |
| 09:03.37 | karl_w_w | this dragon roar talent is amazing |
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| 09:05.17 | karl_w_w | it does pretty much all the damage of bladestorm except it's instant, and has a knockback |
| 09:07.32 | nevcairiel | Fisker: not exactly, only the rough area |
| 09:07.45 | Fisker | can you cut power to that area? |
| 09:08.05 | nevcairiel | nope, i work for the wrong power company |
| 09:08.59 | Fisker | damn |
| 09:09.13 | Fisker | you dealt with nuclear reactors though right? |
| 09:09.28 | nevcairiel | they're all shutdown now |
| 09:09.33 | Fisker | oh |
| 09:09.40 | Fisker | can't you like turn one on |
| 09:09.42 | Fisker | and then overload it |
| 09:09.48 | nevcairiel | too close to my home :P |
| 09:09.48 | Fisker | so it blows up and kills Stanzilla |
| 09:09.51 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 09:13.23 | Fisker | how fast does your computer boot nevcairiel ? |
| 09:13.46 | nevcairiel | dunno |
| 09:13.48 | nevcairiel | pretty fast |
| 09:14.13 | Kalroth | I've overclocked my SSD to boot faster |
| 09:14.30 | Fisker | i made a cache ssd for my ssd so i boot very fast |
| 09:14.31 | Kalroth | it's running on 12 volt instead of 5 volt |
| 09:14.50 | mitch0 | kalroth: I boot once a year :P |
| 09:15.06 | Fisker | actually i did make a cache ssd for an ssd :O |
| 09:15.14 | Fisker | stupid ocz revodrive hybrid |
| 09:15.24 | Kalroth | i once made a ram disk cache for my ssd |
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| 09:16.44 | Fisker | lets do this in real time |
| 09:17.24 | Fisker | i restart computer nao |
| 09:18.22 | Fisker | soup |
| 09:18.37 | Fisker | hax |
| 09:19.04 | Fisker | too bad i wrote my password wrong once |
| 09:26.24 | karl_w_w | what OS Fisker? |
| 09:29.04 | Elkano | hmm... seems like Blizzard protected some items from being "found" with a GetItemInfo scan... |
| 09:30.13 | Elkano | meaning if I don't scan this session and explicitly query the item the data is returned but a scan won't find it and an explicitly query after the scan wont return it, too... |
| 09:32.05 | Maldivia | Elkano: ehh, that's always been the case |
| 09:32.28 | Elkano | it has? |
| 09:32.29 | Maldivia | even before they added the db cache to the mpq files |
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| 09:33.31 | Elkano | I can scan over 60k items, even some from MoP... but those I can't will break the client when they drop after a scan :/ |
| 09:33.57 | Maldivia | tried with GetItemIcon?= |
| 09:34.36 | Maldivia | it often works validating the itemIds, for the items that are "server-only" |
| 09:34.53 | Elkano | GetItemIcon gives me ~76k items |
| 09:36.48 | Maldivia | GetItemIcon usually has almost all items, including GM only items etc, that you often can't query with GetItemInfo |
| 09:37.14 | Maldivia | anyway, lunch time! |
| 09:38.27 | Elkano | well, it seems like it blocks after some items or such |
| 09:47.49 | bluspacecow | *eats Maldivia 's lunch* |
| 09:51.57 | Semlar | are you blue because it's cold in space |
| 09:52.11 | bluspacecow | idunnolol |
| 09:52.12 | Neffi | Ugh |
| 09:52.29 | Neffi | Thought it would be more simple to leverage my unit frame addon to draw unit tooltips. |
| 09:53.07 | Neffi | Spent hours coming up with a system entirely contained in the config. See the end results and decide "wow, I can do much better than this". Time to pull it all out and start again. |
| 09:53.36 | Semlar | pulling out and starting all over again isn't so bad |
| 09:53.57 | Neffi | Well now I know exactly how such a system properly made needs to function according to my overall design |
| 09:54.07 | Neffi | So designing it over can't take more than 40 min |
| 09:57.22 | Elkano | hmm... just took only the ids I wasn't able to scan last scan and scanned those... only got a few from them now but wow... |
| 09:59.14 | Elkano | and as I rescan I get more... |
| 10:01.23 | Neffi | Man, the album Presence is a masterpiece |
| 10:01.32 | Neffi | People who call Stairway to Heaven their best song are clueless |
| 10:05.03 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 10:05.10 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 10:05.13 | Fisker | is there a mop predownload that non-digital users haven't gotten? |
| 10:06.14 | bluspacecow | not that I know of |
| 10:07.08 | Fisker | basically all of the art assets and stuff was in the 5.0.4 upgrade right? |
| 10:07.16 | bluspacecow | afaik |
| 10:15.06 | Elkano | I wonder why it's blocking me out after a full scan but scanning the ~16k IDs that had an icon but no item in the first scan results in some items every scan... |
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| 10:27.36 | randomDude | KarlKFI: fisker is using iOS8 |
| 10:27.53 | randomDude | i mean karl |
| 10:30.38 | Maldivia | Elkano: you are aware thatGetItemInfo async queries the server now, if not found in the local cache ? |
| 10:31.34 | Maldivia | there's a GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED event that fires when it gets the result from the server |
| 10:32.54 | Elkano | Maldivia, yes I am, thus I scan twice |
| 10:33.20 | Elkano | and iirc, GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED doesn't fire reliably |
| 10:33.59 | Maldivia | not if there are multiple getItemInfo requests, also iirc it doesn't have any arguments telling which itemid item was received |
| 10:41.25 | pigeon | hi all, is this the right place to ask about wine + wow? |
| 10:41.45 | zenzio | could be, yes |
| 10:42.38 | pigeon | hmm, i've been using wine + wow for a long time, but just updated to MOP, after logging in it gets stuck at the loading screen, at about 80/90% |
| 10:43.20 | pigeon | that's after logging in and and selecting a char |
| 10:43.24 | pnorman | noticed his load times increased with MOP significantly |
| 10:43.25 | Elkano | Maldivia, feel free to have a look at ItemDB/LibInventory regarding what I'm currently doing to scan |
| 10:49.37 | pigeon | last line from connection.log is ClientConnection Initiating: COP_LOGIN_CHARACTER code=77 |
| 10:50.07 | Maldivia | Elkano: personally, I liked the old version better, where the GetItemInfo was local-only |
| 10:58.07 | pigeon | damn, apparently known as the blue bar of death problem... |
| 10:58.25 | pigeon | it almost feels like the same "bug" it had with d3 a while back. |
| 10:59.51 | wereHamster | pigeon: it's not a bug. |
| 11:00.20 | pigeon | yeah, that's why i double quoted it ;) |
| 11:00.29 | Elkano | Maldivia, same here :/ |
| 11:01.00 | pigeon | grrr, so now i just activated this free 7 days game time, but i can't play it. |
| 11:03.32 | Maldivia | Elkano: true - everyone had their own GameTooltip frame they used for item server queries, but it worked well :) |
| 11:04.26 | Elkano | no, there was a lib for a shared one ;) |
| 11:04.35 | Maldivia | yeah ok - later on there was :) |
| 11:05.43 | Elkano | also I don't think there are any items stored in the client by default anymore since I seem to have to query for every item |
| 11:06.35 | Maldivia | Elkano: the client comes with a cache of most of the items - but they aren't loaded into memory till they are needed |
| 11:07.03 | Elkano | oh, right, it has to load them... |
| 11:07.11 | Elkano | is there any way to know which these are? |
| 11:07.22 | Maldivia | extract the db file from the mpq :) |
| 11:07.59 | Maldivia | the problem with that cache is that they are loaded on-use, one at a time... |
| 11:08.03 | Elkano | also, I wonder why it fails to retieve the data for the other items from server when they drop... is there a memory limit for the cache? |
| 11:08.25 | Maldivia | server connection is throttled |
| 11:09.09 | Elkano | so I queried, it was throttle so I never got the item but the client also wont ask again? |
| 11:09.17 | Maldivia | something like that |
| 11:10.47 | Elkano | hmm... load the client files to memory "quickly" then "slowly" query the server for the rest... ;) |
| 11:11.39 | Elkano | although, I wonder why I was able to slowly get more items on subsequent scans when I scanned those that gave misses in my standard scan... |
| 11:13.23 | Maldivia | usually I had a "thread" running, that scanned at a steady pace, so not to overload the server... which was why I really loved the GetItemInfo and GetItemIcon combo, back when it was local-only, that way I could easily detect which items was missing |
| 11:16.26 | Elkano | used to do the same |
| 11:17.15 | Elkano | well GetItemIcon is mostly working fine again even though some ids return an icon but even wowhead has no item data for them |
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| 11:45.10 | karl_w_w | if i wanted to change my toon's race, name and gender that would be 2 transactions? |
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| 12:17.34 | zenzio | karl_w_w: that sounds like something the FAQ would answer, but I *think* it will be two |
| 12:18.49 | mitch0 | hah: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/09/17/022225/ask-slashdot-best-protection-plan-for-your-phone |
| 12:19.08 | karl_w_w | wow has an faq? |
| 12:19.12 | bluipodcow | Haha fisker |
| 12:19.49 | bluipodcow | I reading that serfima wanting MVP thread |
| 12:19.59 | bluipodcow | It r Lolz |
| 12:21.23 | karl_w_w | should i buy the panda pet? |
| 12:21.46 | zenzio | karl_w_w: https://eu.battle.net/support/en/article/race-change-faq#8 |
| 12:21.52 | zenzio | also the other entries |
| 12:22.27 | zenzio | so it sounds like one (I imagine "customization" is the full character creation) |
| 12:24.01 | karl_w_w | hmm yeah |
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| 12:24.28 | karl_w_w | luv u zenzie |
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| 12:33.15 | Neffi | Is it just Combuctor, or do people find their bags are spontaneously re-arranging themselves? |
| 12:33.35 | Motig | I haven't experienced that |
| 12:34.16 | karl_w_w | me neither |
| 12:35.32 | Fisker | yus bluipodcow |
| 12:35.37 | Fisker | did it hit the world wide webs? |
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| 12:35.58 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:36.28 | zenzio | ohai peppy |
| 12:37.05 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Monday, everybunny. |
| 12:41.09 | mitch0 | no |
| 12:44.34 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 12:44.37 | Fisker | why jersk? |
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| 12:49.03 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 12:49.13 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 12:49.21 | karl_w_w | fisk Stanzilla |
| 12:50.31 | Fisker | hey karl_w_w |
| 12:51.57 | karl_w_w | stan Fisker |
| 12:54.08 | EthanCentaurai | ~seen viruscamp |
| 12:54.11 | purl | EthanCentaurai: i haven't seen 'viruscamp' |
| 12:54.14 | Fisker | hah |
| 12:54.23 | Fisker | Blizzard doesn't care about copyright infringement! |
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| 12:56.17 | Fisker | hey bluipodcow |
| 12:56.19 | Fisker | y u haet? |
| 12:57.06 | bluipodcow | I no haet |
| 12:57.56 | Stanzilla | Fisker: what was this crazy talk a few hours ago about blowing up my home and your computer booting faster |
| 12:58.29 | nevcairiel | i think he only wanted to turn your power off |
| 12:58.38 | Fisker | yeah |
| 12:58.45 | Stanzilla | ah okay |
| 12:58.48 | Fisker | but when i realized i couldn't do that i had to escalate things |
| 12:58.50 | bluipodcow | *dozes on desk at work* |
| 12:58.57 | Fisker | anyway it was about the intel management thingy Stanzilla |
| 12:58.59 | Fisker | pls bluipodcow |
| 12:59.01 | Stanzilla | ah |
| 12:59.04 | Fisker | where you hear about that mvp thread? |
| 12:59.11 | Fisker | basically i found my boot times to be pretty awesome |
| 12:59.13 | bluipodcow | Zzzzzzzzzz |
| 12:59.16 | Stanzilla | did it speed up your boot time? |
| 12:59.19 | Stanzilla | n ice |
| 12:59.19 | Fisker | i think it did |
| 12:59.24 | bluipodcow | Twitter. zzzzzzzzz |
| 12:59.32 | Fisker | bluipodcow |
| 12:59.32 | nevcairiel | too bad you didnt measure before and after :p |
| 12:59.54 | Fisker | i have a rough feeling of it and it definitely felt noticably faster |
| 13:00.06 | nevcairiel | i dunno, maybe the bios/efi part of the boot is a bit faster now |
| 13:00.07 | Stanzilla | every time I want to measure it, windows comes along with "WINDOWS UPDATES NOW" bullcrap |
| 13:00.12 | Fisker | what else can i use it for btw Stanzilla |
| 13:00.15 | karl_w_w | hey bluipodcow |
| 13:00.17 | nevcairiel | it did seem to go ok last night |
| 13:00.23 | bluipodcow | :( |
| 13:00.30 | karl_w_w | I'd like to congratulate you for being pretty much the only sane person here |
| 13:00.30 | bluipodcow | I sleeping |
| 13:00.32 | Fisker | sauce bluipodcow ? |
| 13:00.35 | Stanzilla | Fisker: major thing was better windows 8 compat |
| 13:00.44 | Fisker | haven't had any issues |
| 13:00.51 | nevcairiel | one of these days i might try win8 on my desktop |
| 13:00.57 | Fisker | vhd boot nevcairiel |
| 13:00.57 | Fisker | pls |
| 13:01.24 | Stanzilla | I just installed it |
| 13:01.27 | Stanzilla | like a baws |
| 13:01.37 | nevcairiel | but i only have win7 professional |
| 13:01.42 | Stanzilla | no problems so far, just explorer.exe crashes sometimes |
| 13:01.45 | nevcairiel | the guide claims i need ultimate or enterprise |
| 13:02.08 | Fisker | dumb fuck nevcairiel |
| 13:02.14 | Fisker | vhd boot is dependant on the target OS |
| 13:02.16 | karl_w_w | when win8 comes out proper are we still gonna be able to buy win7 oem? |
| 13:02.28 | nevcairiel | why does the guide lie to me then? |
| 13:02.29 | Fisker | i mean hello nevcairiel |
| 13:02.32 | Fisker | idk nevcairiel |
| 13:02.39 | nevcairiel | karl_w_w: october something |
| 13:02.46 | Fisker | however i heard it doesn't work well if you use UEFI |
| 13:02.48 | Stanzilla | 27th I think |
| 13:02.56 | Fisker | apparently it can't modify the bootloader or some shit |
| 13:03.03 | Fisker | and you have to add it yourself using bcdedit and shit |
| 13:03.03 | nevcairiel | Fisker: i dont use uefi because it makes the intel gpu driver cause bluescreens |
| 13:03.18 | Fisker | pls? |
| 13:03.27 | Fisker | also uefi is not a choice |
| 13:03.30 | nevcairiel | at least when you run multi-gpu with nvidia on your main screen and another screen on the intel |
| 13:03.37 | Fisker | unless you have like a multi-bios system |
| 13:03.56 | nevcairiel | well you can kinda choose if you run the BIOS mode win7 setup, or the uefi-mode setup |
| 13:04.06 | Fisker | oh like that |
| 13:04.07 | nevcairiel | which then also installs the appropriate version |
| 13:04.09 | Fisker | then it will work fine |
| 13:04.14 | Fisker | with vhd boot |
| 13:04.15 | Fisker | but pls |
| 13:04.16 | Fisker | uefi boot |
| 13:04.40 | nevcairiel | i wanted to use uefi, but the intel driver was driving me mad! |
| 13:04.41 | Fisker | btw Stanzilla |
| 13:04.48 | Fisker | can you remove your microsoft account from a local account? |
| 13:04.53 | Fisker | get newer drivers nevcairiel |
| 13:05.04 | Fisker | also btw |
| 13:05.07 | nevcairiel | was the newest a the time |
| 13:05.10 | Fisker | how the fuck did bios mode solve that? |
| 13:05.18 | nevcairiel | fuck if i knew |
| 13:05.27 | nevcairiel | but it did |
| 13:05.29 | Fisker | Windows 7 is inherently unsupportive of multiple display drivers |
| 13:05.37 | nevcairiel | but it works just fine now |
| 13:05.45 | Fisker | you can only do multiple display drivers with kernel mode drivers |
| 13:05.48 | nevcairiel | i have my 2 24" on the intel, and the 30" on the nvidia |
| 13:06.18 | nevcairiel | i mostly did that because the nvidia goes into permanent space heater mode when you run 2 different resolutions on it |
| 13:06.26 | karl_w_w | nevcairiel has a genius bios |
| 13:06.34 | Fisker | did it blue screen at boot btw nevcairiel ? |
| 13:06.37 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 13:06.51 | nevcairiel | after i installed both gpu drivers |
| 13:06.54 | Fisker | exactly |
| 13:07.00 | Fisker | quite certain it shouldn't have given a fuck |
| 13:07.04 | Fisker | whether uefi or not |
| 13:07.08 | nevcairiel | but it works in bios mode |
| 13:07.12 | nevcairiel | so i duncare |
| 13:07.27 | Fisker | one of them must be xp/kernel mode drivers |
| 13:07.32 | Fisker | or else |
| 13:07.42 | nevcairiel | the nvidia isnt |
| 13:07.46 | nevcairiel | doubt the intel is |
| 13:08.06 | nevcairiel | Also, Win7 has basic support for multi-gpu, its not vista anymore |
| 13:08.25 | Fisker | multi-gpu |
| 13:08.36 | Fisker | not multi-displaydrivers |
| 13:08.47 | Fisker | You could mix & match nvidia/amd back in XP as well |
| 13:08.51 | Fisker | Windows 7 made this impossible |
| 13:08.55 | Fisker | probably also vista |
| 13:09.36 | Fisker | can i has dxdiag for lulz? |
| 13:09.36 | nevcairiel | i temporarily ran nvidia and amd in one system |
| 13:09.45 | nevcairiel | but the amd driver complained, loudly |
| 13:10.07 | nevcairiel | i an do dxdiag when i'm home from work |
| 13:10.14 | Fisker | yeah there was various safeguards in place back then |
| 13:10.28 | Fisker | but there was some people who worked hard on getting around these back in the day |
| 13:10.31 | Fisker | to get physx and shit |
| 13:11.05 | Fisker | but basically it's nore more than a few weeks i dealt with this the last time :D |
| 13:11.20 | Fisker | someone asked me how to get a 6-monitor setup |
| 13:11.37 | Fisker | and i said that an ATI with 6 displayports would probably be the least problematic setup |
| 13:11.42 | Fisker | instead they bought two matrox cards |
| 13:11.46 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:12.04 | Fisker | so obviously it blue-screened |
| 13:12.11 | nevcairiel | does nvidia still have the weird issue that causes it to run at maximum power if you mix resolutions? |
| 13:12.15 | Fisker | luckily matrox also provides kernel mode drivers for that shit |
| 13:12.19 | Fisker | not sure |
| 13:12.26 | Fisker | so after i installed the kernel mode drivers it worked fine |
| 13:12.28 | nevcairiel | i mean, the 6xx at least can drive 3 displays now |
| 13:12.54 | Fisker | some of these guys are pretty dumb sometimes |
| 13:13.17 | Fisker | they also talked about buying 2 cheap geforce cards with 2xdvi + 1xhdmi |
| 13:13.31 | Fisker | apparently noone knows that there are only 2 clocks hence only two outputs |
| 13:13.43 | Fisker | and the worst of all |
| 13:13.44 | nevcairiel | yeah that was annoying |
| 13:13.49 | Fisker | we had a machine with vga out |
| 13:13.50 | nevcairiel | i like having 3 now |
| 13:13.57 | Fisker | and they wanted to connect it to a tv with hdmi |
| 13:14.04 | Fisker | so they ordered vga -> dvi -> hdmi |
| 13:14.06 | Fisker | .... |
| 13:14.15 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 13:14.18 | Fisker | (And no it wasn't an active vga to dvi converter) |
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| 13:14.26 | nevcairiel | do they even still build those |
| 13:14.36 | Fisker | i know they make vga to dp atleast |
| 13:17.11 | nevcairiel | so does win8 claim to improve on multi-displaydriver then? :d |
| 13:17.37 | nevcairiel | but it has run perfectly on 7 now, except the uefi bsod |
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| 13:27.14 | Stanzilla | Fisker: don't think so |
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| 13:29.12 | Stanzilla | btw best reason to use win8: better multimonitor support so I don't have to buy some extra software to do it :D |
| 13:29.19 | Fisker | nevcairiel as far as i know it's intentionally not supported |
| 13:30.02 | Fisker | or wait |
| 13:30.04 | Fisker | hmm |
| 13:30.09 | karl_w_w | Stanzilla: wait, buy? people still buy software? :o |
| 13:30.10 | Fisker | that makes no sense |
| 13:30.25 | Fisker | One of the limitations of WDDM driver model version 1.0 is that it does not support multiple drivers in a multi-adapter, multi-monitor setup. If a multi-monitor system has more than one graphics adapter powering the monitors, both the adaptors must use the same WDDM driver. If more than one driver is used, Windows will disable one of them.[9] WDDM 1.1 does not have this limitation.[10] |
| 13:30.36 | Fisker | according to that it means it should've been fixed in wddm 1.1? |
| 13:30.40 | Fisker | which is windows 7 |
| 13:30.50 | Fisker | mm |
| 13:31.05 | Fisker | maybe most drivers are still wddm 1.0 for vista compatibility then or some nonsense? |
| 13:31.57 | karl_w_w | probably some madness like that |
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| 13:47.54 | nevcairiel | at least nvidia has 1.1 drivers |
| 13:47.58 | nevcairiel | maybe intel does too now |
| 13:48.01 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 13:48.19 | Neffi | it does |
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| 13:52.25 | karl_w_w | lol my guild still isnt even half way to unlocking the big flask cauldron |
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| 13:55.26 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes. I'm in trouble for selling my Diablo III account. Again. Still. God I love these emails. |
| 13:56.02 | nevcairiel | i get funny mails with the headline saying diablo 3, but the content talking about wow |
| 13:56.07 | nevcairiel | are those people even still trying |
| 13:56.27 | Lopeppeppy | only a little, nevcairiel. I get naked text links that are so wrong it makes my eyes bleed. |
| 13:56.30 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: also, your email inbox has exceeded its storage quota. Give us your password? :) |
| 13:56.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yeah, I get those at work a lot. |
| 13:56.52 | nevcairiel | funny enough i dont get spam at work |
| 13:57.01 | nevcairiel | maybe our filter is just that good, or my mail is not known |
| 13:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | I get very little - maybe 2-5 a week on a bad week. |
| 14:00.22 | Fisker | you get naked Lopeppeppy? |
| 14:01.16 | Lopeppeppy | Pics or it didn't happen? *scoff* |
| 14:01.26 | bluipodcow | Lol |
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| 14:04.35 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: or your company mail filter eats 80% of legit email, too :P |
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| 14:05.37 | karl_w_w | I used to eat mail |
| 14:05.47 | karl_w_w | then I took a criminal conviction to the knee |
| 14:06.51 | nevcairiel | mitch0: to be fair, i rarely communicate externally with my company mail |
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| 14:16.18 | karl_w_w | why dont i meet the requirements for theramore? :( |
| 14:16.30 | nevcairiel | maybe its not officially unlocked? |
| 14:17.03 | karl_w_w | well give me the keys! |
| 14:17.30 | bluipodcow | Min iLevel 353 iirc |
| 14:18.00 | karl_w_w | so 399 makes the cut? :P |
| 14:18.07 | nevcairiel | nope |
| 14:18.18 | nevcairiel | is anyone else in there? |
| 14:19.13 | karl_w_w | idk what's the zone called |
| 14:19.26 | End_ | bashiok said this afternoon |
| 14:19.56 | karl_w_w | that was 6 hours ago, posted at 7:30am |
| 14:20.02 | karl_w_w | afternoon is running out |
| 14:20.28 | End_ | I don't think you're in the same timezone as bashiok |
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| 14:21.50 | karl_w_w | End_: that's why i read the post time |
| 14:21.59 | karl_w_w | and the 6 hours ago |
| 14:22.04 | End_ | the post time shows your timezone |
| 14:22.13 | karl_w_w | not on the blue tracker it doesnt |
| 14:22.17 | nevcairiel | it does |
| 14:22.32 | End_ | the post to me says 12:31 AM |
| 14:22.33 | nevcairiel | well, it doesnt show the posters timezone anyway |
| 14:22.43 | nevcairiel | wow cms like posting in the weee hours |
| 14:23.13 | karl_w_w | if it was 6 hours ago my time it would say 4pm |
| 14:23.43 | End_ | also which blue tracker are you talking about |
| 14:24.11 | karl_w_w | mmo-c |
| 14:24.17 | nevcairiel | maybe they cache those values intead of properly updating them in realtime :p |
| 14:24.21 | End_ | oh that one converts everything to GMT |
| 14:24.33 | nevcairiel | gmt makes sense |
| 14:24.35 | End_ | (and I was wrong, the actual forums always put it in PDT I guess for NA) |
| 14:25.26 | nevcairiel | official forums say 12:35am, which is like 12 hours before afternoon even starts |
| 14:25.28 | karl_w_w | and they also say "x hours ago" for recent posts, confusing the issue further |
| 14:27.03 | nevcairiel | i hate that, especially when it goes even further to say 8 days ago |
| 14:27.18 | nevcairiel | if it just does it for hours, i guess its acceptable |
| 14:27.22 | nevcairiel | but days, just sucks |
| 14:27.56 | End_ | I'm not really a fan either |
| 14:28.09 | End_ | although if you mouseover it'll tell you the actual time |
| 14:28.43 | nevcairiel | on the wow forums, yes |
| 14:28.51 | nevcairiel | but screw github and their web interface which has no mouse over |
| 14:28.56 | End_ | yeah |
| 14:29.07 | nevcairiel | what the hell do i know which date was 8 days ago! |
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| 14:29.19 | nevcairiel | that assumes i know which it is today |
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| 14:29.26 | Fisker | what happened |
| 14:29.27 | nevcairiel | i'm happy to know the weekday :p |
| 14:29.27 | End_ | I never do either |
| 14:29.41 | nevcairiel | its friday, right? |
| 14:29.44 | End_ | hehe |
| 14:29.45 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:29.55 | nevcairiel | friday starts my vacation |
| 14:29.58 | nevcairiel | so, no such luck |
| 14:30.15 | nevcairiel | anyhoo, time to go home and slap fisker with a dxdiag log |
| 14:30.28 | End_ | and time for me to go to work :o |
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| 14:32.29 | Lopeppeppy | Today is totally Friday. Awesomesauce. |
| 14:33.13 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.31 | bluipodcow | It's Tuesday here. We too far ahead :( |
| 14:34.05 | Lopeppeppy | I'm only on Monday. We're too far behind! |
| 14:39.36 | bluipodcow | Be back later |
| 14:43.35 | alestane | It can be Friday if that will also mean that all the stuff I need to have done by Friday will be finished. |
| 14:44.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... kind of my take too. |
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| 14:49.31 | Nimhfree | Does anyone know if I can record that a specific cooking recipe has ever been made? |
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| 14:59.05 | alestane | That finally made sense when i remembered that this channel is, in fact, about the WoW UI. |
| 15:00.05 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 15:04.37 | karl_w_w | i love it when you get back to the quest hub and you have like a dozen quests to hand in |
| 15:04.55 | karl_w_w | you dont get that anymore with the redesigned quests |
| 15:05.27 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 15:05.29 | Lopeppeppy | What, you can't hand in quests anymore? |
| 15:05.39 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 15:06.18 | mckenziemc | ~trout peppy |
| 15:06.18 | purl | ACTION slaps peppy around a bit with a large trout! |
| 15:07.23 | foxlit | I like gw2's approach. They just mail you the gold. |
| 15:08.24 | Lopeppeppy | But I like to go backward for 20 minutes of running to hand in a quest for less cash than I could have made skinning muskrats! |
| 15:09.36 | karl_w_w | Lopeppeppy: cos it's so linear, you usually only get at most 3 quests from a hub at any one time |
| 15:10.29 | karl_w_w | not like zangarmarsh where you can pick up a buttload of quests and go off and do them |
| 15:10.49 | Nimhfree | Just to followup on my question, it seems UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED will tell me the spellId even for cooking recipes. |
| 15:12.09 | mckenziemc | Step 1: Put large quest clusters back in. Step 2: Implement Crabby as an optional guide. Step 3: ???? Step 4: Profit. |
| 15:13.55 | karl_w_w | Jamash: I just levelled up and learningaid didn't supress the you learned something text, I demand satisfaction |
| 15:14.12 | mckenziemc | gives karl_w_w porn. |
| 15:17.56 | Adys | undo sends are gmail's best fucking feature |
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| 15:18.59 | Dagmar | Oh, so not true |
| 15:19.07 | Dagmar | They're way more entertaining with Outlook and Exchange. |
| 15:19.17 | Adys | how so |
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| 15:19.30 | Dagmar | Well, when you redact a send through GMail it just goes away |
| 15:19.48 | Dagmar | If you redact an email through Exchange, it does't get redacted until Outlook gets it and then processes the redaction |
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| 15:20.47 | Dagmar | for a brief moment, the user may actually see the subject line "GONNA KILL YOU ALL" before it says "Re: Kobe for lunch?" |
| 15:21.13 | Adys | Oo |
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| 15:22.06 | mckenziemc | he Shirik |
| 15:22.08 | mckenziemc | hey* |
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| 15:25.25 | pompy1 | you dragon age fans : http://www.dragonage.com/inquisition |
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| 15:26.37 | Dagmar | goddamn priory |
| 15:26.47 | Dagmar | I knew they'd get out of control someday |
| 15:29.08 | pompy1 | aand Halo fans, ;) .. http://gamerant.com/microsoft-halo-7-9-domains/ |
| 15:30.48 | karl_w_w | halo still exists? |
| 15:30.54 | pompy1 | of course |
| 15:31.19 | pompy1 | halo 4 in nov |
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| 15:32.12 | karl_w_w | only 4? havent they been making it since like 1974 |
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| 15:41.57 | mckenziemc | morning blu |
| 15:44.45 | mckenziemc | or not |
| 15:44.53 | bluipodcow | Hihi |
| 15:45.10 | mckenziemc | too late |
| 15:48.50 | Vladinator | I have to confirm that I still own my wow account now, by sending my login information and address, oh well, it's the 2nd time this month, wonder when Blizzard stops sending these. :/ |
| 15:49.10 | alestane | That's ironic, right? |
| 15:49.14 | alestane | I can't tell in chat. |
| 15:49.35 | Vladinator | I shall let you guess, alestane :D |
| 15:50.47 | foxlit | for future reference, the non-annoying answer would be "right." |
| 15:51.09 | Vladinator | I just deleted my spam for today and saw one of these :D |
| 15:53.57 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 15:54.00 | bluipodcow | Mad? |
| 15:56.21 | Vladinator | me? no, always some spam to get rid of and I don't even notice. :) |
| 15:59.17 | Vladinator | why does wowhead privileges stop at 3k? :( |
| 15:59.28 | Vladinator | wish there were some more priviliges added for those >3k rep :P |
| 15:59.50 | Cairenn | Morning |
| 15:59.54 | Vladinator | hi |
| 16:00.08 | Vladinator | going to work so my leaving has nothing to do with the fact you just came on, Cairenn, really |
| 16:00.16 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:00.34 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.55 | bluipodcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.49 | Vladinator | while I am gone, do reply on the matter of inspection, when inspect ready event fires and I use the API to get item data, why are so many nil? :S |
| 16:02.01 | Vladinator | so I have to requery again until all items are properly shown :/ kind of weird. |
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| 16:03.58 | bluipodcow | *hands Vladinator his lunch* |
| 16:04.00 | Vladinator | test it yourself, query NotifyInspect("target") wait for INSPECT_READY and notice that GetInventoryItemLink("target", index) doesn't return value for some slots, you gotta query again... very odd. |
| 16:09.31 | Dridzt | you probably also have to register GET_ITEM_INFO_RECEIVED as item caching should be a separate issue |
| 16:10.02 | Dridzt | I mean inspect is ready (talents/glyphs etc) but itemX maybe not cached by client yet |
| 16:11.13 | Dridzt | anyone has or will shortly have a toon on beta US/EU? Preferably with an auto-accept invite addon |
| 16:11.28 | Dridzt | Would like to do a bunch of group join/leave/raid convert tests :P |
| 16:13.40 | randomDude | thats what she said |
| 16:14.00 | Vladinator | so how do I know if a unit really has NO item equipped in their slots? :P |
| 16:14.09 | Vladinator | if I read nil and wait for the item info received to fire, lol |
| 16:14.35 | Vladinator | I think it's kind of silly, at least it should return something to indicate when there is an item and nil only when there is no items, not nil when the item is not cached yet :/ |
| 16:15.02 | Vladinator | will look at it later, cya :3 |
| 16:15.12 | mckenziemc | handles vladinator |
| 16:19.57 | TC-Work | ~pong |
| 16:19.57 | purl | ~ping |
| 16:20.28 | mckenziemc | ~stab TC-Work |
| 16:20.28 | purl | ACTION runs at TC-Work with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 16:20.39 | TC-Work | ~dodge mckenziemc |
| 16:20.39 | purl | at the last second tc-work dodges out of the way of mckenziemc's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 16:21.07 | mckenziemc | you can't dodge an indirect attack |
| 16:21.26 | TC-Work | uh...that was targeted |
| 16:21.46 | mckenziemc | indirect != untargeted |
| 16:22.18 | TC-Work | well it wasnt a nuke |
| 16:24.17 | mckenziemc | we could argue until you bleed to death, or you could go see a doctor |
| 16:25.07 | karl_w_w | "It is not so much the electromagnetic effects as the electric and moreso, magnetic fields." |
| 16:25.09 | TC-Work | except i did not get hit |
| 16:25.18 | mckenziemc | yes you did |
| 16:25.26 | TC-Work | no, i dodged |
| 16:25.35 | mckenziemc | no |
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| 16:25.45 | mckenziemc | you attempted to dodge something else that can't be dodged |
| 16:27.09 | karl_w_w | you trolling again mckenziemc? |
| 16:27.13 | mckenziemc | no |
| 16:28.53 | karl_w_w | exactly what a troll would say |
| 16:29.12 | mckenziemc | or a non-troll |
| 16:29.51 | mckenziemc | you do realize he's standing right next to us bleeding to death from a wound from purl after trying to dodge the wrong attack, right? |
| 16:32.28 | TC-Work | perl is an extension of you |
| 16:32.57 | karl_w_w | I could make a pretty decent joke there |
| 16:32.58 | mckenziemc | i don't use perl, and purl is a bot |
| 16:33.04 | karl_w_w | if I knew perl syntax |
| 16:33.25 | TC-Work | actually you did user perl |
| 16:33.34 | TC-Work | user* |
| 16:33.52 | TC-Work | use* |
| 16:34.15 | karl_w_w | us* |
| 16:34.21 | mckenziemc | lol |
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| 16:36.16 | mckenziemc | tickles Kaylin. |
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| 16:40.14 | Kaylin | wiggles with laughter. |
| 16:43.19 | karl_w_w | It is time for the sleeps! |
| 16:43.23 | karl_w_w | spread the word |
| 16:43.27 | mckenziemc | can i come |
| 16:43.50 | karl_w_w | I've never considered it tbh |
| 16:43.59 | karl_w_w | most likely, yes |
| 16:45.30 | TC-Work | Depends how hard you work KarlKFI |
| 16:45.33 | TC-Work | ... |
| 16:45.58 | mckenziemc | owned TC-Work |
| 16:47.14 | bluipodcow | Oh baby |
| 16:47.31 | mckenziemc | diepodcow |
| 16:48.07 | Kaylin | sets bluipodcow to shuffle. |
| 16:48.25 | mckenziemc | :( |
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| 16:50.17 | bluipodcow | *shuffles like a boss* |
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| 17:08.36 | pompy1 | http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/world-of-warcraft-patent-lawsuit-heading-to-court/ |
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| 17:10.33 | nevcairiel | so that weird World company is still trying, eh? |
| 17:11.15 | pompy1 | they are involved, looks like it . :\ |
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| 17:32.50 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: ping |
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| 17:39.07 | bluipodcow | Interesting |
| 17:39.36 | bluipodcow | New Atlas for 5.0 soon |
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| 17:50.07 | bluipodcow | Theramore live in the eu? |
| 17:54.02 | Jammer | yes |
| 17:54.25 | Dagmar | So Theramore is under assault on the live servers now? |
| 17:54.37 | Dagmar | So much for me getting back into shape before that then |
| 18:01.12 | Fisker | oh nevcairiel |
| 18:01.19 | Fisker | sorry if they were monitoring the channel |
| 18:03.10 | pompy1 | Fisker: you're the CEO of World, Inc .. aren't you? |
| 18:06.36 | pompy1 | ahh ok http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2929-Theramore-Scenario-Now-Live-Theramore-Scenario-Now-Live |
| 18:06.54 | pompy1 | also why do mmo-c links double the title in the url? |
| 18:07.50 | bluipodcow | For the lols |
| 18:08.28 | mckenziemc | nah, that's what stabbing bluipodcow is for |
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| 18:08.47 | bluipodcow | *runs* |
| 18:09.29 | neutronimity | Someone afraid of me? |
| 18:09.42 | mckenziemc | speaking of lol... |
| 18:09.46 | pompy1 | no mckenziemc said something |
| 18:09.50 | bluipodcow | mckenziemc wanna stab me |
| 18:10.06 | bluipodcow | Said it was for the lols :( |
| 18:13.34 | Dagmar | Nonsense. |
| 18:13.43 | Dagmar | Stabbing is for great justice. Everyone knows that. |
| 18:14.50 | pompy1 | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151135460544034&set=a.298842734033.144051.138011799033&type=1 |
| 18:15.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, stabbings! |
| 18:17.04 | pompy1 | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=497410140288989&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 lloll |
| 18:19.11 | Dagmar | Gotta love them chinese knockoffs |
| 18:19.22 | Dagmar | Delicious lead paint |
| 18:23.05 | Fisker | my parents are cool |
| 18:23.07 | nevcairiel | man somehow i figured with scenarios being just 3 random people with no roll specifications that lfd would be faster |
| 18:23.11 | Fisker | i just had a wisdoom tooth pulled |
| 18:23.15 | Fisker | so they brought home candy |
| 18:23.17 | Fisker | jawbreakers |
| 18:23.19 | Fisker | whoop |
| 18:23.40 | Dagmar | Fisker: Now we know where you get it from. |
| 18:23.55 | nevcairiel | Fisker: you just got trolled |
| 18:24.10 | Fisker | oh right |
| 18:26.00 | mckenziemc | so, if google maps has a road and its intersections in the wrong spot, i can only change one thing at a time and have to wait for it to be approved in between? ....... |
| 18:26.07 | Fisker | btw pompy1 |
| 18:26.15 | mckenziemc | or is there a way to create a batch of corrections |
| 18:26.24 | Fisker | the day that patents are sucessfully used against the iphone in the us is the day that patent legislation is changed |
| 18:26.25 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 18:26.48 | bluipodcow | :3 |
| 18:27.24 | pompy1 | Fisker: well samsung suing apple bc of iPhone 5 |
| 18:31.20 | Arrowmaster | mckenziemc: you should be able to submit a bunch of corrections |
| 18:31.56 | Arrowmaster | mckenziemc: or do some of the corrections depend on another being done first |
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| 18:35.37 | mckenziemc | Arrowmaster: the road and its intersections are dependent on each other, i can't edit connected sections/intersections all at once |
| 18:37.41 | mckenziemc | lakefront dr. magalia ca and the surrounding roads are visibly off from the satellite imagery, though idk how suitable that is for a base |
| 18:38.09 | Ressy | mckenziemc: If you haven't edited much, then you gotta get things approved. Once you've edited a bit, they'll let you do things without approval. |
| 18:38.11 | mckenziemc | i assume it is, but idk if the imagery sometimes gets shifted |
| 18:38.15 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 18:38.32 | Ressy | I edited abunch, and they sent me an email sending me a google maps package. :) |
| 18:39.09 | Ressy | Canada gets a notebook, a pen, and stickers. lol. Americans get tshirts and a few other things |
| 18:39.11 | mckenziemc | it should still let me edit an area at once though, trying to fix this road with that limit makes it worse >.> |
| 18:40.33 | nevcairiel | around here google just buys maps from other companies, we cant even edit them :p |
| 18:40.47 | Dagmar | That's weird |
| 18:40.59 | Fisker | of course pompy1 |
| 18:41.00 | Dagmar | I've submitted a few corrections over here... mainly for things that were just lunacy |
| 18:41.25 | Ressy | I've added parks, moved flags for some locations.. |
| 18:41.49 | Dagmar | Somehow, the little utility shed behind our office got tagged with something along the lines of Royal Embassy of Denmark |
| 18:42.00 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 18:42.06 | nevcairiel | thats an upgrade for the danes |
| 18:42.14 | Dagmar | ....because at one point Denmark had their embassy office in our building (yes, he had a little office) |
| 18:42.26 | Dagmar | er rather she |
| 18:42.45 | Dagmar | Nice girl. I didn't even know she was a diplomat. She also worked for HR so whatever she wanted, she got. |
| 18:42.52 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 18:43.44 | Humbedooh | Dagmar: what city is this? :3 |
| 18:43.49 | Dagmar | Nashville, TN |
| 18:44.16 | Humbedooh | k, not where the embassy was when I visited it then - would've been fun if it was :) |
| 18:44.21 | Dagmar | I thought someone was being a smartass at first because the building in question is about 10x10 and houses some water pumps and their associated monitors. |
| 18:45.04 | Dagmar | It was a very convoluted chain of steps figuring out exactly how the hell anyone got the idea that that was supposed to be an Embassy |
| 18:46.14 | Dagmar | The address got picked up by Google because it had been (briefly) published as the address of our building. Someone apparently figured that couldn't be right and assigned it to the nearest structure that wasn't clearly "Vanderbilt ITS" |
| 18:48.04 | Dagmar | Thankfully, the building is no longer tagged _at all_ |
| 18:48.50 | Dagmar | For a time it actually said what it was, which was "Power Station". Someone crashing their pickup into it would have blacked out half the campus. |
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| 18:50.07 | Lopeppeppy | They made me take the name off of our power plant too. *innocent look* Like nobody knows what it is looming over the trees, but whatever. |
| 18:50.24 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 18:51.01 | Lopeppeppy | Terrorists aren't stupid, but why should we make it all free and easily available? |
| 18:51.15 | mckenziemc | btw http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b028662ace7186ed3415990c9bfcff17.jpg |
| 18:51.46 | Ressy | lmao |
| 18:51.52 | Ressy | wow... They really screwed that one up |
| 18:52.07 | mckenziemc | well |
| 18:52.16 | mckenziemc | it's screwed up because it's in an intermediate state |
| 18:52.44 | mckenziemc | the dashed lines and the thin solid line from the dotted lines to the pin above were the originals |
| 18:53.01 | mckenziemc | but you can clearly see the roads below and to the left |
| 18:53.35 | mckenziemc | not sure why lakevista's bottom end is showing in the right place now on the thicker line |
| 18:53.44 | Arrowmaster | i would just submit the first change, leave your email address and in the comments say that everything in this area is messed up and to email you if they need more details or have a preferred method of submitting lots of changes |
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| 18:54.50 | mckenziemc | wtb free map editing site with satellite images to use as a base (don't think you can do that with openstreetmap) |
| 18:54.52 | Adys | mckenziemc: "contributed by Google users" |
| 18:55.25 | Ressy | it looks like even Northlake Rd is off some |
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| 19:30.18 | Mr_Rabies | argh |
| 19:30.20 | Mr_Rabies | you know what would be great |
| 19:30.24 | Mr_Rabies | being able to reglyph |
| 19:30.24 | mikma | surprise buttsecks? |
| 19:31.18 | Lopeppeppy | One track minds. |
| 19:31.35 | Lopeppeppy | (P.S. Those are Not Great. Just in case you weren't sure if I was being sarcastic or not.) |
| 19:32.32 | Mr_Rabies | for all parties involved i imagine mikma's scenario only ending in disappointment at best |
| 19:33.43 | mikma | mr_rabies: on your end perhaps, i'm always up for happy ending |
| 19:34.32 | Mr_Rabies | i guess it depends on your definition of surprise, but that's usually the sort of thing you'd want to plan for, i'd think |
| 19:37.44 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 19:38.13 | Stanzilla | Fisker |
| 19:38.18 | Fisker | steam? |
| 19:38.29 | Stanzilla | not online |
| 19:40.03 | mckenziemc | not on mikma |
| 19:43.18 | Stanzilla | Fisker: what now |
| 19:43.19 | Stanzilla | I'm online |
| 19:54.23 | mikma | mckenziemc: http://imgur.com/r/battlefield3/OiJUZ <- ultimate facepalm |
| 19:55.47 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 19:59.10 | mckenziemc | right after i give up looking for my old water bottle and open a new one, i spot the old one |
| 20:00.28 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/np.jpg << a practical example in how not to design nameplates |
| 20:02.08 | End_ | yeah |
| 20:03.09 | End_ | I don't like those nameplates even when the game isn't discoloring them...apparently I use click on nameplates to target a lot more than I realized |
| 20:03.15 | End_ | which doesn't really work in gw2 |
| 20:05.08 | Semlar | http://i45.tinypic.com/13z0kch.png |
| 20:05.50 | foxlit | It burns, Semlar. Why must you do this? |
| 20:05.58 | Semlar | >_> |
| 20:06.07 | Semlar | that's neffi's interface |
| 20:06.49 | Stanzilla | horribad |
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| 20:12.07 | Ackis | I *think* I got a compliment today |
| 20:12.24 | Ackis | my trainer told me that if I kept with it after high school I probably would have been a professional football player now |
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| 20:13.33 | Torhal|work | Ackis: That was a nice way of saying you're a jackass for not having done so. |
| 20:13.34 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 20:15.23 | Ackis | kind of makes me sad |
| 20:15.41 | Torhal|work | Well, you already fucked it up so best start coding your ass off. |
| 20:15.43 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 20:16.33 | Stanzilla | Ackis: were you able to run more than a mile in high school? |
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| 20:18.17 | Ackis | I was an offensive lineman, none of us could run that far |
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| 20:31.10 | Vladinator | Torhal :) |
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| 21:10.47 | Ressy | Interesting. Turns out the problem I had last night accessing my guild bank wasn't just me.. Blizzard's saying theres a problem with guild functions, and are investigating. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6606361045 |
| 21:11.51 | Stanzilla | is there a list of ALL the raid cooldowns somewhere? |
| 21:16.29 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/hagakure-cooldowns maybe |
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| 21:18.53 | Semlar | i thought someone made a list on the forum somewhere but i don't know where it is |
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| 21:20.41 | Fisker | so Stanzilla |
| 21:20.44 | Fisker | ready tomorrow 9am? |
| 21:21.55 | foxlit | it's odd that there's a queue for scenarios. |
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| 21:22.21 | Industrial | So I named my worgen warlock Lockjaws ... |
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| 21:23.41 | Ackis | are there any factions in MoP that horde gets one, ally gets another? |
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| 21:29.11 | Unkle | yes |
| 21:30.24 | znf | Anyone knows how much hit rating is 1 % ? |
| 21:32.05 | mckenziemc | 1% |
| 21:32.21 | Kalroth | more than 0%, but less than 2% |
| 21:32.37 | Kalroth | (you might need to supply more parameters, like your level) |
| 21:33.28 | Neffi | We need to entertain that the codomain of this problem may be >R. Perhaps the number is complex! |
| 21:55.09 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 21:55.34 | mckenziemc | i got It's Not Easy Being Green by getting locked out of the fight ^^ |
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| 22:06.43 | Neffi | Anyone know of a DataBroker feed that covers all queue types, and implements the right-click menu for queues? |
| 22:06.52 | Neffi | Eg a full replacement to the queue button on the minimap would be lovely |
| 22:11.38 | znf | Can you "fake" an achievement pop-up? |
| 22:11.53 | End_ | yes |
| 22:12.01 | znf | how do I trigger it? :) |
| 22:12.14 | End_ | now I look at code |
| 22:12.22 | znf | more specifically: I want the toast |
| 22:12.44 | End_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.14 | End_ | make sure the Blizzard_AchievementUI or whatever it is called has been loaded or you'll get an error when it sets the shield texture or whatever |
| 22:13.46 | End_ | (or whatever) |
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| 22:21.40 | Neffi | znf: There's a library on Curse for just that, plus a bunch of other types of "toasts" |
| 22:21.49 | Neffi | It looks pretty nice, but I didn't download it or look at the API |
| 22:22.06 | End_ | I think he's trying to reposition the achievement popup or something like that |
| 22:22.18 | End_ | at least, that's why I even know how to trigger it by hand |
| 22:22.18 | znf | I just want to change it a bit :) |
| 22:22.58 | Neffi | Well the FrameXML is all there. Just don't change any API, because some addons do fake it |
| 22:23.23 | Neffi | And I do believe it's a Blizzard addon, so either wait for ADDON_LOADED (does that fire for Blizz addons?) or load it yourself |
| 22:23.39 | nevcairiel | ADDON_LOADED fires just fine for their addons |
| 22:24.06 | nevcairiel | you can use magic like LoadWith: in the toc |
| 22:24.14 | nevcairiel | loads your addon when theirs loads |
| 22:24.36 | znf | I loaded it with ACP :P |
| 22:24.52 | Neffi | Oh wow, Apple made their own ARM core with the A6. |
| 22:25.00 | Neffi | Not a tweaked A9 or A15 |
| 22:25.03 | Neffi | http://www.anandtech.com/show/6292/iphone-5-a6-not-a15-custom-core |
| 22:25.03 | End_ | a lot of the logic is in AlertFrames.lua...just...one of the functions it needs isn't |
| 22:26.35 | End_ | AchievementShield_SetPoints() I think is the function it needs, which is only about 10 lines |
| 22:27.55 | Neffi | Oh, I almost forgot |
| 22:28.24 | Neffi | Say you want to register your own :SetScript to override the one on the default frame, but you want to absolutely prevent yours being being overriden too. |
| 22:28.31 | Neffi | Any better way than hooking .SetScript? |
| 22:28.59 | Neffi | I don't want to taint by setting my own fucntion to SetScript, but that seems to be the only way |
| 22:29.18 | nevcairiel | if you want setscript to stop functioning, you have to hook it |
| 22:30.11 | foxlit | but don't. |
| 22:30.26 | foxlit | Nobody wants a hooking arms race. |
| 22:31.11 | Neffi | The use case is that the user is given the capability to modify a default frame, and attach scripts to it. One of these types of scripts are handlers. |
| 22:31.29 | Neffi | The user sets up their custom frame assuming the scripts are going to function |
| 22:31.36 | nevcairiel | if someone wants to remove your cheat, he 'll just do frame.SetScript = nil; frame:SetScript(myscript) :P |
| 22:31.39 | Neffi | So I want to provide the facility to ensur they do |
| 22:32.30 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I think the next logical step is to hook the metatable. |
| 22:32.32 | Neffi | Well the nasty bit is that I'm reusing GameTooltip. I believe I removed all handlers from it so I wouldn't have to taint it, but a user may download my addon and wish to attach their own handler to the tooltip |
| 22:32.40 | foxlit | And then we load before and steal the raw function from under you. |
| 22:32.41 | Neffi | ohlord |
| 22:32.50 | foxlit | And then you load before, and then everyone goes mad and blames Neffi for everything. |
| 22:33.17 | nevcairiel | Neffi: forget about foolproffing, fools (aka users) will find a way to break it |
| 22:33.24 | nevcairiel | proofing* |
| 22:33.50 | nevcairiel | and on that note, g'nite |
| 22:34.10 | foxlit | Wait, so you just nuked everyone else's GameTooltip hooks? :) |
| 22:34.29 | Neffi | Oh actually I came up with a solution |
| 22:35.07 | Neffi | Actually no hooksecurefunc is a post-hook, so even if I unset theirs, mine still gets erased |
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| 22:35.39 | Neffi | Guess I'll have to pursue that idea into an infrastructure which remembers user's scripts and re-sets them |
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| 22:37.50 | Neffi | foxlit: Btw, I <3 OPie |
| 22:38.41 | Neffi | foxlit: But is there a way to recognize other button clicks? Eg I want to setup my mage's Teleports ring to cast teleport on left-click, portal on right-click. Using [btn] didn't seem to work. |
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| 22:43.33 | foxlit | Neffi: no. |
| 22:44.09 | Neffi | Any chance of having such implemented, or does it conflict with the design? |
| 22:45.48 | foxlit | It's not impossible, but it's not a direction I want to pursue. |
| 22:46.21 | foxlit | Personally, I play without "Activate on left click" so all this button stuff seems like nonsense to me :) |
| 22:47.19 | znf | a lot of people prefer clicking it rather than just moving the mouse in that direction :P |
| 22:47.39 | Neffi | I agree |
| 22:47.56 | Neffi | If OPie has suddenly dropped click ability, it'd be enough for me to just write my own |
| 22:48.19 | foxlit | Why bother? Just rig up bartender or something to display some buttons on command. |
| 22:48.58 | Neffi | Well I am writing na action bar addon eventually |
| 22:49.16 | Neffi | But OPie is very nice. Well polished. Does a few things I owuldn't bother to do with my own. |
| 22:51.06 | foxlit | znf: It strikes me as a particuarly slow and painful away to get a flyout menu :) |
| 22:51.58 | znf | foxlit, did you plan on using it in combat? |
| 22:52.08 | foxlit | I use it in combat all the time. |
| 22:52.44 | znf | O.O |
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| 22:53.40 | foxlit | Seriously, play with a single 12-action action bar, of which like 6 keys are used with any frequency. |
| 22:53.54 | znf | I could say that I find it particularly slow and painful to use in combat :P |
| 22:54.10 | foxlit | I see a correlation here. You also say you left click it :) |
| 22:54.19 | znf | nono, I tried it your way |
| 22:54.22 | znf | I found it horrible :D |
| 22:55.12 | foxlit | how odd. |
| 22:55.40 | Neffi | Different people have different tendencies |
| 22:55.48 | znf | I play with 3 action bars :P |
| 22:57.42 | znf | and OPie rings! |
| 22:57.56 | znf | thanks to OPie I removed 2 action bars :D |
| 22:59.53 | foxlit | What was on them? :) |
| 23:00.13 | znf | ressurection, mounts, engineering items |
| 23:00.40 | znf | profesions |
| 23:04.25 | foxlit | what class do you play? |
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| 23:12.12 | TC-Work | mckenziemc: suck an engorged equine phallus. |
| 23:13.11 | durcyn | so hostile |
| 23:13.45 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 23:15.10 | Vladinator | is there a way I can detect when a button is pushed down (and held down)? :/ |
| 23:16.12 | mckenziemc | look at your keyboard |
| 23:26.30 | kd3 | the hell? a 9 minute queue for the scenario? |
| 23:27.09 | ajmitch | probably a limit on the number of instances they want to spawn |
| 23:27.32 | Esamynn|work | I thought that didn't start until tomorrow |
| 23:27.41 | kd3 | today |
| 23:27.42 | Ressy | They changed it. |
| 23:27.46 | Esamynn|work | ahh |
| 23:27.47 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6412423849#1 |
| 23:27.51 | Ressy | opened 1 1/2 hrs ago |
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| 23:29.04 | kd3 | huh, wow. what's with the horde controlling tol barad? |
| 23:29.05 | kd3 | is shocked |
| 23:29.22 | Vladinator | no seriously, I wonder how I can detect when I push a button but keep the button pressed :P |
| 23:29.34 | Vladinator | I wish to visually make the texture move and reset when I release :P |
| 23:29.55 | kd3 | or the map lies. heh. I port there and it's alliance controlled |
| 23:30.28 | Esamynn|work | probably a crz glitch |
| 23:30.57 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/API#System_Functions |
| 23:31.01 | kd3 | Is<X>KeyDown() |
| 23:31.06 | Vladinator | (OnMouseDown/OnMouseUp maybe) |
| 23:31.20 | Vladinator | oh sorry for confusion I meant a "Button" frame :P |
| 23:31.21 | kd3 | or that |
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| 23:36.31 | Vladinator | having some pixel hell atm lol |
| 23:36.39 | Vladinator | I got ("TOPLEFT", 5, -31), ("BOTTOMRIGHT", -5, 9) |
| 23:36.53 | Vladinator | and I wish to set the values so the texture appears like, 1 or 2 pixels down-left |
| 23:37.01 | Vladinator | so it appears to be "pushed" |
| 23:37.03 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: https://twitter.com/PaulJournet/status/247787519289200641/photo/1/large go Quebec? |
| 23:38.23 | Vladinator | help me kd3, you're my only hope :( |
| 23:38.50 | mckenziemc | s/Quebec/kill yourself Ackis/ |
| 23:39.03 | Ackis | okay |
| 23:39.15 | mckenziemc | fine then |
| 23:40.38 | Vladinator | fixed it by playing with the pixels :P |
| 23:41.36 | mckenziemc | uses different UI scale. |
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