| 00:00.30 | *** join/#wowuidev User632 (~U632@pool-173-51-205-208.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:01.19 | nilyaK | MLB doesn't need to change the playoff rules for the yankees to virtually always get in. |
| 00:18.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Ingela (~Ingela@213-66-222-210-no37.business.telia.com) |
| 00:18.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Osagasu (~Ilorin@208-104-166-80.rh4.cm.dyn.comporium.net) |
| 00:25.17 | TC-Work | http://www.adverbox.com/media/campaigns/2006/07/nemo_saatchi1.jpg |
| 00:31.12 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (~borgleade@modemcable169.141-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:44.51 | Primer | Ohhh found an instance of global _ in my addon |
| 00:44.55 | Primer | How bad of me... |
| 00:45.28 | foxlit | meh, you're too late. We're back to not caring about _ :) |
| 00:47.58 | Primer | So I'm using GetMouseFocus() to get a raid frame to anchor my addon's icon. How do I get the frame, regardless of the unit frame addon (or default ui), when I have "party1", or "raid15"? |
| 00:48.45 | foxlit | Primer: generally, you don't. |
| 00:49.03 | Primer | that's what I was afraid of |
| 00:49.18 | foxlit | As a bonus question, think about what would happen if I have multiple sets of raid frames |
| 00:49.32 | foxlit | (because hypothetical me is insane and runs Decursive alongside Grid alongside the default raid UI or something) |
| 00:49.34 | Primer | Well, my addon works with multiple sets of raid frames |
| 00:49.51 | Primer | I have a video showcasing that with 4 raid frame addons running |
| 00:50.11 | Primer | it only doesn't work in voodoo (or however it's spelled) |
| 00:50.24 | foxlit | Stunning. |
| 00:50.38 | Primer | but that's going one way, i.e. you hover the mouse over the frame and the icon appears over it |
| 00:51.00 | Primer | But I want to make it so it can be "sticky", meaning, it follows a specific guid as the roster changes |
| 00:51.15 | Primer | again, regardless of raid frame addon |
| 00:51.23 | foxlit | Wouldn't it be easier for you to add stuff to GameTooltip instead? |
| 00:51.36 | Primer | what do you mean? |
| 00:51.50 | Primer | perhaps if you saw what the addon did, you'd realize what I'm doing |
| 00:51.57 | foxlit | maybe. |
| 00:52.06 | Primer | http://www.wowace.com/addons/direction-arrow/ |
| 00:52.08 | Primer | there's a video |
| 00:52.47 | Primer | some times people don't see the arrow...just look at my raid frames |
| 00:52.51 | Primer | and don't comment on my UI |
| 00:53.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Trela (~Alexia@c-71-207-245-20.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 00:53.14 | foxlit | Heh, you don't have a tooltip. |
| 00:53.18 | foxlit | That's odd. |
| 00:53.20 | Primer | no, I don't |
| 00:53.27 | Primer | I have that disabled in combat |
| 00:53.57 | Primer | I also make PB4 remove the numbers for HP and power from raid frames in combat |
| 00:54.58 | Primer | The addon is just the default minimap arrow icon on top of raid frames, resized and repositioned. It points in the direction of that raid member, presuming you're not in a zone where GetPlayerPosition() is broken |
| 00:55.04 | Primer | it's stupid simple |
| 00:55.04 | foxlit | I was going to suggest making your graphic appear inside the unit tooltip, but that obviously doesn't work for you. |
| 00:56.29 | foxlit | But no, there's no general way, foxlit-proof way to find all unit frames on your screen. |
| 00:57.13 | Primer | so what about taking the name of the frame, ala framestack, and looping over all frames... |
| 00:57.29 | Primer | well, I guess I'd have to build unit frame addon awareness into it |
| 00:57.48 | foxlit | It's entirely possible to design unit frames that you wouldn't be able to detect. |
| 00:58.02 | foxlit | Nothing says the unit attribute has to be set before you actually click it :) |
| 00:58.30 | Primer | well, I wrote this addon for myself really |
| 00:58.37 | Primer | and I only use PB4 |
| 00:58.55 | foxlit | So it seems easier for you to just specify the frame names manually |
| 00:59.02 | Neffi | With the new zone layouts, where's the best place to level 30-40 (as alliance) where I'm likely to run into horde to fight? |
| 00:59.10 | Primer | not sure what you mean |
| 00:59.25 | TMc51 | anywhere in EK at that level range |
| 00:59.28 | foxlit | presumably, you know what your own PB4 frames are called. |
| 00:59.30 | Semlar | it's possible to detect every unit frame on the screen |
| 01:00.08 | Neffi | It's never possible to not be able to detect a frame |
| 01:00.12 | Semlar | you just have to loop through every child and check its attributes |
| 01:00.23 | Neffi | EnumerateFrames() at the least, and hooksecurefunc(frame, 'SetAttribute') if tricks are being done |
| 01:01.07 | Semlar | i had to do the same thing for my cooldown addon to get every action button because i didn't want to write a separate exception for every single actionbar addon |
| 01:01.54 | kd3 | rolling shutter is amusing: http://gifs.gifbin.com/092010/1283422453_rolling-shutter-plane-propeller-illusion.gif |
| 01:02.15 | foxlit | Semlar: and yet I don't think your addon works with OPie :) |
| 01:02.20 | mckenziemc | kd3: o.o |
| 01:02.28 | Semlar | i bet it does |
| 01:02.32 | Primer | I guess there will always be exceptions |
| 01:02.43 | Semlar | if it makes action buttons |
| 01:03.14 | Primer | What about addon loading order? |
| 01:03.17 | Semlar | it'll probably look horrible because it's expecting a square button though |
| 01:03.36 | foxlit | why don't you try it and report back :) |
| 01:04.13 | Primer | Semlar: which addon are you talking about, btw? And would you mind if I looked at/borrowed the code? |
| 01:04.16 | Semlar | fine |
| 01:04.35 | Semlar | i'm interested in seeing if it works myself |
| 01:05.20 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/crackcooldown |
| 01:05.54 | Primer | Semlar: Just to be clear, my goal is to: anchor my addon's frame to a unit frame when all I might have is "party1" or "raid3" and some attributes of the "previous frame", for when RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE fires |
| 01:06.40 | Primer | basically I want my frame to follow a specific person when RAID_ROSER_UPDATE fires |
| 01:06.42 | Semlar | i don't even remember what i was doing but i know i wrote a script to find all the unit frames on the screen once |
| 01:07.00 | pompy | http://kotaku.com/5943472/secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-pays-tribute-to-slain-diplomat-and-eve-online-gamer |
| 01:07.18 | Semlar | oh yeah i was trying to make it so when someone got crowd controlled it replaced their portrait with an icon |
| 01:07.37 | Semlar | and i made one for normal portraits and one for 3d models |
| 01:07.42 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 01:07.49 | kd3 | oh, boo; Cauterize can now only absorb up to twice the mages's maximum health. |
| 01:08.05 | mckenziemc | hey nilyaK |
| 01:08.06 | Semlar | how do i open opie |
| 01:08.09 | nilyaK | hi! |
| 01:08.21 | Primer | ok, time to go home, I'll be back! |
| 01:08.31 | kd3 | one of the keybinds, generally |
| 01:08.50 | Semlar | i have to create the rings right there isn't some default |
| 01:08.56 | foxlit | /opie bind |
| 01:09.15 | kd3 | there are some, my mage logged in with the teleport/portal rings created automagically |
| 01:09.27 | nilyaK | created what? |
| 01:09.37 | kd3 | others are dynamic based on what's in your inventory, like quest items (alt+q) |
| 01:09.44 | kd3 | automagically, it's like automatically, but better |
| 01:09.59 | nilyaK | right but teleport rings? like vendors in dal? |
| 01:10.19 | kd3 | no. I'm a mage... with 8? teleport spells |
| 01:10.26 | nilyaK | oic |
| 01:10.43 | kd3 | not rings as equippable items, no |
| 01:10.58 | nilyaK | ah okay |
| 01:12.03 | foxlit | Semlar: found your way around? |
| 01:12.23 | Semlar | yeah, these aren't action buttons though are they |
| 01:12.32 | Semlar | they're just icons |
| 01:12.33 | foxlit | /Everything/ is a lie |
| 01:12.45 | foxlit | But everything also works. I could build an action bar this way |
| 01:15.20 | Semlar | it's not very fair since the button doesn't actually do anything |
| 01:16.27 | foxlit | Life isn't particularly fair, I'm afraid. But the point was precisely that -- asserting that you could always find unit frames or action buttons is misleading, because sometimes they are very good at hiding. |
| 01:16.46 | *** join/#wowuidev NickG365 (~NickG365@cpe-65-189-204-138.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 01:16.52 | Semlar | it wouldn't really be a unit frame at that point, would it |
| 01:17.11 | kd3 | oh, foxlit, bug report for you. for quest items that use reagents (e.g., [[Light-Blessed Relic]]), the ring shows a 1 even if it has no reagents to use |
| 01:17.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@mc82d36d0.tmodns.net) |
| 01:18.08 | pompy | Cairenn|afk: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/322797_10100409849026322_567527361_o.jpg wrestlemania |
| 01:18.11 | Semlar | i wouldn't consider these action buttons either |
| 01:18.52 | foxlit | Semlar: in that case, you're redefining action buttons to something other than "things that perform an action when clicked" |
| 01:19.45 | Semlar | i would say an action button is a secure frame that has an action |
| 01:20.03 | Semlar | these don't even have a type attribute |
| 01:20.45 | foxlit | they must be powered by magic(tm) :P |
| 01:21.02 | foxlit | kd3: odd. I guess it's being confused by charges/item count. |
| 01:21.48 | foxlit | but that's also weird, since LBR doesn't have any charges. |
| 01:22.56 | Semlar | they're just an illusion |
| 01:25.04 | foxlit | kd3: I think that particular item is incorrectly flagged as consumable by Blizzard. |
| 01:25.09 | kd3 | hm |
| 01:25.26 | foxlit | Try /dump IsConsumableItem(47033) |
| 01:25.36 | kd3 | 1 |
| 01:25.56 | foxlit | so it thinks its like potion, and shows you how many you have left |
| 01:27.14 | foxlit | I could hack it so that it'd never display a count of 1, but I'm not sure whether that's worth the trouble. |
| 01:28.22 | kd3 | lemme grab some of the reagents it uses. curious if the count changes |
| 01:30.53 | kd3 | even with 3 reagents, it's still showing a 1. guess the item's just wrong. probably not worth it to handle a one-off |
| 01:31.28 | foxlit | Try /dump GetItemCount(47033, false, true) |
| 01:31.28 | nilyaK | what's the item? |
| 01:31.42 | kd3 | 1 |
| 01:31.47 | Adys | Light-Blessed Relic nilyaK |
| 01:33.16 | foxlit | It's interesting that I for some reason opt out of displaying charges. |
| 01:33.25 | foxlit | But I can no longer remember why I wanted that. |
| 01:44.11 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|hate`net (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 01:44.45 | kd3 | grr |
| 01:44.54 | kd3 | also, yay. HotS beta invite |
| 01:44.55 | pompy | TC-Work: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/story/2012/09/13/tax-on-amazon-purchases-in-calif-begins-saturday/57779210/1 |
| 01:46.34 | kd3 | 2 beta accounts? whuh? |
| 01:46.54 | Semlar | double the fun! |
| 01:47.56 | foxlit | kd3: just as warhounds got removed |
| 01:52.35 | pompy | http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/727933/study-violent-games-lead-to-reckless-driving/ ............ |
| 01:54.40 | Amarande | pompy: yeah, I imagine the correlation is valid, but as usual, the attempt to form a causative link is an epic fail |
| 01:55.20 | Amarande | the kind of people who are likely to like to drive recklessly are probably the sort of people who relish adrenaline rushes in general, so they'll probably choose Ninja Gaiden and GTA over Contract Bridge and Hello Kitty Island Adventure. :P |
| 02:15.55 | Dagmar | pompy: Correlation does not imply causality |
| 02:18.23 | Dagmar | "The authors of the study think that violent video games change a young player's self-perception, so that they see themselves as someone who does risky things." <-- this is actually more in line with what I'd expect |
| 02:18.49 | Dagmar | ...because there's a ton of people out there who simply don't view their behaviour as "reckless" because they don't believe for a second they're doing anything dangerous. |
| 02:19.11 | Dagmar | Like every fucking moron who gets on their motorcycle and pulls wheelies on the interstate at 60mph+ |
| 02:19.45 | Dagmar | They'll tell you it's totally safe. People who play video games with reckless things going on know just how quickly things can go bad, and are more likely to _recognize_ that what they do is dangerous |
| 02:20.04 | Dagmar | I had to wind up with a sedan on two wheels before I decided the stuff I was doing was possibly reckless |
| 02:21.25 | Dagmar | I still took every precaution conceivably possible, but it was a rollover incident in someone else's VM beetle that made me decide I didn't want to be in a car that flipped ever again |
| 02:22.06 | Dagmar | Rolling down hills in a truck tire just doesn't begin to compare with how unpleasant |
| 02:22.26 | Dagmar | No one was hurt, but we were *not* fine when the thing stopped. Heh |
| 02:22.52 | Cairenn|afk | pompy: hehehe |
| 02:29.02 | mckenziemc | virtual machine beetle? |
| 02:29.16 | mckenziemc | grabs bug spray |
| 02:31.39 | Neffi | Sometimes working on a UI or code is more fun than really playing the game =/ |
| 02:35.09 | TMc51 | Neffi: I don't think you'd get many disagreeing with you there. |
| 02:36.52 | nilyaK | s/sometimes/always |
| 02:37.17 | Neffi | ugh |
| 02:37.30 | Neffi | Decide to add feature to code, think twice, remove new code, old code is broken |
| 02:37.35 | Neffi | Debugging is *not* fun |
| 02:37.50 | nilyaK | blames semicolons. |
| 02:38.03 | Amarande | Neffi: http://home.tiac.net/~cri/1998/stages.html |
| 02:38.15 | TMc51 | true that. I've yet to find a word in any language to describe my loathing for debugging. |
| 02:38.58 | Neffi | Ah, that's wonderful Amarande |
| 02:38.59 | Amarande | wow |
| 02:39.01 | Amarande | serial printers |
| 02:39.14 | Amarande | how long has it been since those were common (not counting USB) |
| 02:40.02 | Neffi | lol |
| 02:40.34 | Neffi | CLEU gets a float value, UnitAura returns an int that may or may not be simply floor'd. This is fun. |
| 02:41.04 | Neffi | Nice that they gave us an API to track shields and all, but it'd be nice if it was perfect |
| 02:41.08 | mckenziemc | floors it. |
| 02:41.41 | Neffi | CLEU seems to be able to report a value of +1 |
| 02:42.18 | Neffi | I was rounding which broke it. So fuck it, I'll just do no comparison and hope that a fluke never happens wherein a SPID can be using the shield amount args for something else. |
| 02:42.48 | Neffi | Which is likely since the API page calls them generic args depending on the spell in question |
| 02:44.05 | Amarande | hah ... it seems like I was right to worry about the fishing contests with CRZ, but apparently I completely missed the real problem |
| 02:44.13 | Amarande | *headdesk* |
| 02:44.54 | nilyaK | people qqing on the forums about it> |
| 02:45.41 | Amarande | nilyaK: what I was mainly concerned about was the already difficult Salty title becoming even more difficult to obtain because of zones being shared between servers, thus meaning fewer contests for the same number of people |
| 02:45.52 | nilyaK | yea |
| 02:46.00 | nilyaK | well that needed to be fixed long before crz |
| 02:46.00 | Amarande | however, it turns out the problem is much worse, and rather different |
| 02:46.17 | Amarande | the Kalu'ak Derby, already Vegas enough as it was before CRZ, is now virtually unplayable |
| 02:46.35 | Amarande | because not only do you have to manage to win, but you have to win AND GET BACK TO DALARAN WITHOUT THE TIME ZONE CHANGING |
| 02:46.46 | nebula169 | oh sweet jesus |
| 02:46.49 | nebula169 | say it ain't so |
| 02:46.50 | Amarande | this latter is almost impossible to do, and makes an already nail-biting contest teeter on the verge of madness |
| 02:47.17 | Amarande | nebula: yeah. not only do you have to be the first person to turn something in |
| 02:47.37 | Amarande | but you 1) cannot obtain it in the same zone that you have to turn it in, and 2) both the zone you'll have to go to get it in, as well as the zone you have to turn it in, are shared |
| 02:47.49 | Amarande | which means there's no knowing what time you'll get stuck with in either |
| 02:48.21 | nebula169 | too bad they're already aware of the issue and stv tourney isn't shared |
| 02:48.25 | nebula169 | so really, you're crying about nothing |
| 02:48.35 | Amarande | I think this is where we sit the Blizz devs in a room together and force them to watch that one Youtube video that is nothing but 10 minutes of the "you lose" horn from The Price is Right. LOL |
| 02:49.24 | Amarande | nebula: well, except for the fact that apparently they're using live as beta tests for things that have a particularly maddening effect when they go wrong |
| 02:49.41 | kd3 | we're in the strange time between systems patch and expansion launch |
| 02:49.44 | Amarande | that seems to be a common sentiment |
| 02:49.44 | kd3 | nothing goes sanely |
| 03:03.37 | Arrowmaster | i just saw a MoP ad on hulu........ |
| 03:04.32 | Amarande | Arrow: I saw one on NFL Network during the Bears-Packers game last night |
| 03:05.07 | Arrowmaster | at first i was like "is this for some new kung fu panda movie?" |
| 03:05.55 | Amarande | and mind you, WoW on its buggiest day is still better than football, at least playing football |
| 03:06.15 | Amarande | I bought NFL 2K5 at a super cheap price a while ago. I pretty much gave up on it after discovering that I am absolutely awful at video game football :) |
| 03:06.39 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 03:06.39 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 03:06.53 | nilyaK | hugs bluspacecow. |
| 03:07.18 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 03:13.04 | nilyaK | afk :O |
| 03:13.34 | Primer | !api EnumerateFrames() |
| 03:13.35 | lua_bot | EnumerateFrames: Returns the next frame following the frame passed, or nil if no more frames exist (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/EnumerateFrames) |
| 03:15.06 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKVJicTW9rc |
| 03:19.26 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 03:21.27 | *** join/#wowuidev randomDude (~randomDud@ppp241-218.static.internode.on.net) |
| 03:26.52 | Arrowmaster | http://i.imgur.com/whcvB.jpg |
| 03:27.50 | cogwheel | straw poll: localization keys: tokens or native language? |
| 03:28.02 | mckenziemc | tokens |
| 03:28.27 | mckenziemc | it's awkward when you use normal language then change the display text |
| 03:28.51 | cogwheel | indeed - but that can be caught with tools |
| 03:29.23 | bluspacecow | work tiems |
| 03:29.26 | cogwheel | on the native side, it might fit better into your workflow |
| 03:29.31 | mckenziemc | caught? i mean when you decide to make the display text different from what it originally was |
| 03:30.07 | cogwheel | exactly. you can use tools so that when you change it either refuses to build or fixes it automigaclly |
| 03:31.23 | End_ | I'm lazy and use native language, but tokens is probably better normally |
| 03:31.24 | cogwheel | obviously that's a bit more upfront overhead but if the project is large enough it might justify the convenience |
| 03:31.51 | mckenziemc | you either have to modify a bunch of files to change it or have two different natural phrases in the code |
| 03:32.41 | cogwheel | yeah, so i guess it depends on how often you're adding new ones vs changing existing ones |
| 03:34.02 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.233.36) |
| 03:35.10 | starlon | Am I supposed to see other player's xmog information on their gear pieces? |
| 03:35.21 | starlon | s/player's/players'/ |
| 03:35.45 | starlon | I'm not seeing it, and I swear I've seen it before. |
| 03:35.50 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK1 (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 03:35.54 | End_ | in the tooltip? it looks like it |
| 03:36.00 | starlon | hmm |
| 03:36.20 | End_ | although I suppose it is possible an addon is showing it for me, but I can definitely see it on this purple paladin gear this guy is wearing |
| 03:36.40 | starlon | let me see it without any addons turned on. maybe something's breaking it. |
| 03:36.48 | End_ | possibly |
| 03:37.56 | End_ | if it's not that, I'd say probably its some weird server/network/client issue |
| 03:38.21 | starlon | That appears to be it. Maybe it's examiner. |
| 03:38.54 | End_ | well, now you have something to go off of |
| 03:38.58 | End_ | so that's good |
| 03:38.59 | starlon | nods. |
| 03:39.06 | starlon | Thanks for helping. |
| 03:39.44 | Arrowmaster | how the fuck do the zippers work on this thing http://imgur.com/a/POtk2 |
| 03:40.38 | starlon | Now it's working with all addons turned on again. :/ |
| 03:41.16 | Neffi | The client doesn't seem to get that data right away. I'm guessing the server considers it low priority. |
| 03:41.26 | starlon | ah |
| 03:41.42 | Neffi | I've seen lag where the transmog doesn't show up in the default UI for a sec or two. Maybe the addon isn't properly listening to the event to update when it is finally received. |
| 03:42.18 | starlon | nods. |
| 03:42.35 | End_ | you could try clearing WoW's cache |
| 03:42.42 | End_ | to see if it helps slow it down |
| 03:43.10 | Neffi | And Android becomes even less open |
| 03:43.11 | Neffi | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/google-blocked-acers-rival-phone-to-prevent-android-fragmentation/ |
| 03:43.29 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 03:43.44 | Neffi | Acer dropped from Google's Android partnership for (1) joining the Open Handset Alliance and (2) wanting to make a phone not directly adhering to stock Android |
| 03:44.53 | durcyn | android is open, except when it isn't |
| 03:46.03 | Neffi | Android is half-open at best |
| 03:46.11 | Neffi | Binary blobs and closed-source Google frameworks everywhere |
| 03:46.40 | Neffi | It's like calling OS X open for being based on Darwin |
| 03:48.32 | starlon | lol |
| 03:48.58 | durcyn | five lines to go from "google is as two-faced as it gets" to "fucking apple" |
| 03:49.08 | starlon | What blobs are there with Android? They're hosted on their repo? |
| 03:51.22 | Neffi | Drivers |
| 03:51.36 | Neffi | Not saying anything bad about Apple |
| 03:51.39 | Neffi | Just a fair comparison |
| 03:51.48 | Neffi | I like Google and Android |
| 03:52.26 | starlon | Ah yes, they provide builds for supported platforms, such as Nexus and XOOM. |
| 03:52.35 | starlon | nods. Makes sense. |
| 03:52.45 | Neffi | Why are my arenaN frames showing up in BGs now? |
| 03:52.52 | Neffi | Did they add an attribute to stop that? |
| 03:55.55 | mckenziemc | i'm not familiar with the arena frames (never done arenas), but i know the default UI shows the flag carriers in WSG in the area where boss frames would show |
| 03:58.00 | karl_w_w | steals mckenziemc's flag |
| 03:58.16 | karl_w_w | like a boss |
| 03:58.38 | mckenziemc | mind-controls karl_w_w through the map |
| 03:59.49 | Neffi | ah yes that's what it is |
| 04:00.54 | Neffi | Awesome though |
| 04:01.08 | Neffi | Now I don't have to make an addon to implement that. Just logic to move the arena frames inside BGs |
| 04:02.02 | Neffi | Not In My House in my first BG on this mage |
| 04:02.04 | Neffi | I love this class |
| 04:03.38 | mckenziemc | dammit karl_w_w |
| 04:03.43 | mckenziemc | i forgot to get bagels :( |
| 04:04.49 | Neffi | Is there any order to it? |
| 04:04.58 | Neffi | Eg is arena1 always the enemy FC? |
| 04:05.16 | mckenziemc | idk |
| 04:24.47 | starlon | so long Chanserv; I knew him well. |
| 04:25.11 | starlon | s/him/it/ |
| 04:25.20 | mckenziemc | smallest netsplit ever o.o |
| 04:25.25 | starlon | :) |
| 04:25.53 | Amarande | here's an interesting oddity since 5.0: anyone else notice that *any* group seems to get described as "raid group" when it comes to the text describing actions that affect the group (like player join/departure notices)? |
| 04:26.47 | Primer | the API changed regarding GetNum(Raid|Party)Members() to GetNumGroupMemebers(), so I figured it has something to do with that |
| 04:26.56 | Amarande | at first I wondered if there was some kind of bug that was causing newly formed groups to immediately be raids, but when right clicking me (as leader) I noted that the "convert to raid" option was still there, so it wasn't the case |
| 04:28.53 | Amarande | Heh. Meanwhile, more forum complaints seeming at least implying that the current CR(a)Z(iness) is an attempt to preserve Activision's ability to collect $25-$275 per player that they'd lose if they took the other option so many are suggesting ... |
| 04:29.57 | Amarande | (And I'll say I have at least a certain skepticism that it's about "Activision trying to make money off of X", but also knowing that the tech buzz is that Activision really isn't doing all that good, there's at least *some* possibility of such "conspiracy theories" being the case at least some of the time.) |
| 04:30.20 | Adys | Neffi: what the fuck, it's not even sort of a fair comparison |
| 04:31.12 | Amarande | Specifically, of course, that the alternative would have been just merging servers, but the implication is usually that Blizz/Activision don't want to do it because that would basically grant people on dead servers lots of transfers without fees |
| 04:31.56 | nilyaK1 | is there a problem with merging servers but not telling people, specifically haveing 2 ips, 2 name pools, etc |
| 04:31.59 | Adys | most drivers arent authored by google so its not like it'd depend on them anyway; and android is immensely open source |
| 04:32.02 | Amarande | (In this case, though, perhaps believable - especially since merging servers would seem, at worst, to involve having lots of players having to be flagged to change character names, whereas the choice actually made is rather CR(a)Z(y)) |
| 04:32.30 | nilyaK1 | s/haveing/having |
| 04:32.49 | Amarande | Not to mention CRZ doubtless required a hell of a lot more work than just closing down some servers and auto-transferring the characters to other ones would have. |
| 04:34.02 | Adys | yeah thats blizzard's business |
| 04:34.15 | Adys | i mean its a great business model if you think about it |
| 04:34.30 | Adys | frustrate players into paying a one time fee of 10 euros |
| 04:34.37 | Adys | can't see anything wrong with that |
| 04:34.43 | Amarande | Adys: also kind of, sadly, gives some validation to some people's conspiracy theories about the New Players servers |
| 04:34.55 | Adys | it doesn't give shit, I was making fun of your theory |
| 04:35.14 | Amarande | Which generally amount to the idea that they try to encourage players to start out on a half-dead server so that they will eventually want to transfer |
| 04:35.32 | Amarande | I'll note, too, that quite a number of the issues being reported presently about CRZ are ones that I predicted were going to happen, but noooo ... so many of you guys just dismissed me as whining or "walls of text" or "conspiracy theories" at best, and "trolling" at worst. :| |
| 04:35.34 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 04:35.36 | Adys | for one thing its not necessarily cheaper for blizzard to maintain separate servers |
| 04:35.37 | xyphoid | i always love it when you say 'i have a certain skepticism' |
| 04:35.49 | mckenziemc | Amarande: if you say so |
| 04:36.19 | Amarande | mckenziemc: I predicted it was going to send the fishing contests haywire, also that it would cause exactly the kind of issues for lower population servers that are being presently complained about now that it's live |
| 04:36.32 | Adys | it was obvious it would |
| 04:36.33 | Amarande | namely, that lower pop servers are being screwed seven ways to Sunday, because in addition to all the other economic woes that low pop servers have |
| 04:36.40 | Adys | its just one of two options |
| 04:36.48 | Adys | either blizzard thought about it in advance and it wont happen |
| 04:36.51 | Adys | or they didnt and it'll fuck up |
| 04:36.55 | Amarande | their AHs are even more bare on account of the fact that most of the resources that used to be at least possibly theirs are now being carted off for sale on high pop AH's where players don't even have the option to buy |
| 04:37.26 | nilyaK1 | afk, reality, |
| 04:37.36 | Adys | Amarande: you assume blizzard cares |
| 04:37.41 | Adys | about the economy and such |
| 04:37.49 | Adys | they care to an extent but not even sort of on that level |
| 04:37.52 | Amarande | Adys: I assume they care about player retention |
| 04:37.55 | Adys | nor should they in a game like wow |
| 04:38.04 | Adys | yes but the economy has little to no effect on retention |
| 04:39.04 | Adys | a bad economy frustrates players; when it gets frustrating enough overall they may or may not merge servers |
| 04:39.19 | Adys | but they've been working on having that auto-regulate itself |
| 04:39.39 | Adys | with larger battlegroup pools, cross realm zones, raid finder etc |
| 04:39.39 | Amarande | Yeah, and on the flip side, there's doubtless an equal number of players who are pleased by the opposite phenomenon "yay now I don't have to compete as much with players on my overpopulated server like Illidan, since I'll get shipped off regularly to Podunkville where the resources weren't being gathered by the native players anyway!" |
| 04:40.12 | Adys | Amarande: what is the issue here exactly? |
| 04:40.26 | Amarande | At least till you start fishing lots of greys because your fishing equipment apparently gives a bonus to first aid all of a sudden, as some people have reported LOL |
| 04:40.55 | Amarande | Adys: on lower pop servers, you might not find as large of a supply of a given gatherable resource on the AH |
| 04:41.09 | Amarande | but on the flip side, you had a much larger supply available to you "in the wild" and could spend time rather than gold |
| 04:41.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:41.38 | Amarande | With CRZ, a large percentage of those resources are instead farmed by guest players from other realms, which means not only don't you get to gather them, you can't even buy them, because they'll be sold on the other realm's AH that you have no access to |
| 04:42.14 | Amarande | which means, not only do lower pop servers have smaller AH's, but they have much less alternative to that small supply available on that AH if the resources are too expensive, or in some cases just not available |
| 04:42.23 | nilyaK1 | see if they'll offer subsidies to farm resources to increase the market volume. |
| 04:42.37 | Adys | arent resources self-regulating anyway? |
| 04:42.43 | nilyaK1 | iirc resource spawn was/is variable |
| 04:42.44 | Adys | spawn rate depends on how many people are in the zone |
| 04:42.49 | nilyaK1 | so more people shouldn't do much |
| 04:42.55 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:43.11 | nilyaK1 | unless it's crazy overcrowded, which crz fixes itself. |
| 04:43.12 | Adys | and its not like crz really fucks with that |
| 04:43.13 | Adys | aye |
| 04:43.23 | Amarande | Leather is probably the ur-example of such, because as anyone who's ever tried to level LW knows, unlike other crafting professions where you might be able to outlay a few thousand gold on the AH and go 1-525 |
| 04:43.39 | Amarande | it's usually simply impossible to do so with LW because there is just nowhere near enough even if you buy out the whole AH |
| 04:43.40 | Adys | if its written smartly, crz is the "ideal" pop in a zone |
| 04:43.56 | Adys | and that ideal pop would statistically match the resource spawn rates |
| 04:44.23 | Amarande | in reality, a lot of people are having a lot of issues farming resources now |
| 04:44.36 | Semlar | do crossrealm players show up in /who |
| 04:44.47 | Adys | Amarande: that doesnt necessarily mean the crz design is broken |
| 04:44.49 | Semlar | if they're merging zones it seems like they ought to |
| 04:44.50 | Adys | it might just be a bug |
| 04:44.59 | Amarande | it doesn't seem to be too bad in the very beginning, there's tons of peacebloom, silverleaf, and earthroot (oh how I hate you earthroot, because you're not very useful for grinding alchemy but I often find tons more of you than the other two) |
| 04:45.24 | Amarande | on the other hand, people are reporting things like it taking hours to farm a few stacks of cloth now |
| 04:45.37 | xyphoid | .. why are you farming cloth in the world |
| 04:45.43 | Arrowmaster | cloth has always sucked |
| 04:46.24 | Adys | cloth is somewhat of a good point because its an AH farm in the first place |
| 04:46.32 | xyphoid | or instance |
| 04:46.41 | xyphoid | which now you have aoe looting is pure luxury |
| 04:46.42 | Adys | you dont "farm" cloth unless its linen/wool/mageweave in which case you go to an instance with a max lvl |
| 04:46.46 | Adys | aye |
| 04:47.23 | Arrowmaster | is runecloth still used for city faction? |
| 04:47.28 | Adys | think so |
| 04:47.32 | Adys | but again it might just be adaptation |
| 04:47.49 | Adys | i dont think many people tried farming the lvl 70 instances for example for netherweave |
| 04:47.54 | Arrowmaster | i used to farm runecloth in AB |
| 04:48.03 | Adys | ab? |
| 04:48.04 | nilyaK1 | AV? |
| 04:48.08 | Arrowmaster | yes AB |
| 04:48.09 | xyphoid | i get a lot of netherweave doing sethekk\ |
| 04:48.23 | Arrowmaster | used to get some off people |
| 04:48.26 | nilyaK1 | oic |
| 04:48.27 | Adys | Arrowmaster: theres like six or seven AB in the game now |
| 04:48.32 | Adys | uh |
| 04:48.34 | Adys | you mean AV then |
| 04:48.45 | Arrowmaster | maybe, it was forever ago |
| 04:48.49 | Adys | i dont remember cloth dropping from players |
| 04:48.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah probably AV from the guards |
| 04:49.02 | Adys | but AV was indeed awesome for that |
| 04:49.03 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:49.09 | Arrowmaster | got all my city factions to exaulted |
| 04:49.16 | Adys | fuck i remember going through a 28 hour AV |
| 04:49.21 | nilyaK1 | is addicted to rep. |
| 04:49.23 | Adys | got so immensely rich from that |
| 04:49.23 | Arrowmaster | only 28? |
| 04:49.34 | Arrowmaster | was in a 100 hour one once |
| 04:49.37 | Adys | Arrowmaster: we had much longer ones (up to 4 days or so) |
| 04:49.52 | Adys | but that one i actually got the queue when it started and got out when we won |
| 04:50.22 | Adys | it was pretty crazy queuing for the same AV for two entire days |
| 04:50.28 | Arrowmaster | i used to drain life tank the bosses |
| 04:50.51 | Arrowmaster | was fun soloing balinda |
| 04:51.08 | nilyaK1 | so I count 11 new reps in mop, excluding 'friend' factions |
| 04:51.26 | Adys | 11? |
| 04:51.28 | Adys | i only saw 10 |
| 04:51.33 | xyphoid | GW2's world vs world is very AV, i like it |
| 04:51.52 | Kemayo | Anyone know if there's a way to display the tooltip for a game object without mousing over it? (Like, a hyperlink format, or whatever.) |
| 04:52.05 | Adys | Kemayo: there is not |
| 04:52.22 | Adys | Kemayo: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:52.27 | Semlar | how is the tooltip populated when you mouse over an object |
| 04:52.37 | Adys | in C++ |
| 04:53.00 | Adys | all tooltips are C++ pretty much |
| 04:53.06 | Kemayo | I was wondering if it'd be possible to scan the gameobject cache to look out for the rare objects in pandaria. |
| 04:53.20 | Adys | you mean like npcscan? |
| 04:53.35 | Semlar | uh, well i can tell you you can definitely populate the tooltip with unit information and stuff without mousing over a unit |
| 04:53.47 | Adys | i had a working implementation of that at some point |
| 04:54.05 | Semlar | i was doing it with GUIDs to get information on units in the combat log |
| 04:54.13 | Kemayo | Yeah. SilerDragon and NPCScan check the creature cache via SetHyperlink('unit:...'), but a brief perusal of the API doesn't find anything obvious for objects. |
| 04:54.16 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:54.20 | Adys | lemme check |
| 04:54.53 | Adys | hm nope, never got completed |
| 04:54.54 | nilyaK1 | do all objects have a mouseover tooltip? |
| 04:54.57 | Adys | i think i mightve gotten stuck |
| 04:54.59 | Adys | no, not all |
| 04:55.10 | Adys | a lot of objects dont even have names |
| 04:55.11 | Kemayo | Or, the only thing which is plausible is some hitherto-undocumented hyperlink format. |
| 04:55.22 | nilyaK1 | what about change the mouse pointer? can you detect that? |
| 04:55.36 | Adys | why would you care about that? |
| 04:55.51 | nilyaK1 | logging objects people see idk |
| 04:56.19 | Adys | you could detect when the mouseover changes but thats not what Kemayo was talking about |
| 04:56.24 | nilyaK1 | oh |
| 04:56.25 | Adys | Kemayo: for future ref: www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14774-FindIt.html |
| 04:56.28 | Semlar | i only see tooltip script handlers for setting an achievement, item, quest, spell or unit basically |
| 04:57.07 | Adys | Kemayo: you might be able to figure out a cached object from modified spell tooltips |
| 04:57.15 | Adys | ah wait nvm |
| 04:57.21 | Adys | that requires some db2 editing |
| 04:58.10 | Semlar | although anything you can make a link to you should be able to set the tooltip to |
| 04:58.31 | Semlar | pretty sure you can't link objects |
| 04:58.56 | Adys | Semlar: trick was to modify the required tool objects (like anvil, etc) in a spell |
| 04:59.05 | Adys | then get that spell in the profession tab and scan that |
| 04:59.19 | Adys | but i never figured out an optimal way to do that |
| 04:59.27 | Semlar | hmm |
| 05:00.00 | Adys | i used to get full creaturecache dumps like that |
| 05:00.06 | Adys | scan a modified questcache |
| 05:00.12 | Kemayo | I suppose it should have been a clue that Is Another Man's Treasure doesn't have listed criteria with IDs, unlike the rare mob achievements. |
| 05:00.15 | Adys | and get the entire creature database |
| 05:00.48 | Adys | Kemayo: it probably does, you're just not looking in the right place |
| 05:01.20 | Kemayo | It doesn't via the achievements API. It's one with a numeric criteria instead of a list-o-items. |
| 05:01.45 | Adys | i dont remember the achievements api |
| 05:01.50 | Adys | what do you mean numeric criteria? |
| 05:02.30 | Kemayo | I mean the ones where you have completion as "7/20", as opposed to the ones which show a list of things you have to do. |
| 05:02.49 | Adys | right |
| 05:02.56 | Semlar | i should probably mention npcscan was able to detect the camels that you have to click on for an achievement |
| 05:02.58 | Adys | as i said you're likely not looking in the right place |
| 05:02.59 | Primer | People are randomly dying from DK diseases in SW, and they're not flagged. Combat log shows a name, and /who shows it's an alliance |
| 05:03.00 | Kemayo | Difference between http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=2257/frostbitten and http://mop.wowhead.com/achievement=7284 |
| 05:03.01 | Adys | try achievement.dbc |
| 05:03.16 | Semlar | so unless those were somehow creatures |
| 05:03.25 | Adys | ah no |
| 05:03.29 | Adys | that wont be in there |
| 05:03.43 | Adys | its just a counter, not "find all 20 of them" |
| 05:04.31 | Kemayo | Well, for my purposes, if I can't interrogate cache status of objects while I'm in an unmodified game, it's not much use anyway. |
| 05:04.33 | Adys | its likely possible to filter the objects in the cache tho |
| 05:04.34 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/npc=50409 nevermind, they're npcs |
| 05:05.07 | Adys | Kemayo: theres no way you could do this in game, you'd need a static list of ids |
| 05:05.08 | Adys | but |
| 05:05.48 | Adys | get a full gameobjectcache, look for some common bit somewhere in the object flags and the achievement's requirements/flags/whatever |
| 05:06.06 | Adys | or just look for a bit set for 20 or so objects |
| 05:06.27 | Adys | (or blizzard made it easy and they have their own category) |
| 05:09.58 | Adys | fun of the day: designing common game interfaces between the oculus rift and a flat monitor |
| 05:16.55 | Arrowmaster | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8dXAHA5WQo |
| 05:17.00 | Arrowmaster | thats a lot of goblins |
| 05:17.30 | Adys | holy fuck |
| 05:17.57 | Adys | no kidding its lagging |
| 05:21.42 | Adys | oh nice |
| 05:21.47 | Adys | prismatic armor no longer required |
| 05:22.14 | Adys | i might just start putting something else if i log again |
| 05:24.51 | Primer | hrmm, is RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE still the right event? |
| 05:25.18 | Primer | nm |
| 05:25.20 | Primer | found it |
| 05:28.33 | *** join/#wowuidev bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-20.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 05:32.16 | karl_w_w | Cauterize can now only absorb up to twice the mages's maximum health. |
| 05:32.27 | karl_w_w | pathetic |
| 05:33.07 | Neffi | What do you mean? |
| 05:34.18 | karl_w_w | you cant use it to survive massive hits any more! |
| 05:35.36 | Primer | So I'm getting the names of the frames that return a "unit" by looping over EnumerateFrames(). My goal is to match a GUID with a frame when GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE fires. In the case of PB4, I'm getting "PitBull4_Groups_PartyUnitButton2". So... |
| 05:36.06 | *** join/#wowuidev bluworkcow (ca312226@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.49.34.38) |
| 05:36.11 | Amarande | karl: no more surviving gigantic necrotic plague stacks :) LOL |
| 05:36.12 | Primer | Presuming all unit frame addons returns a "stringX" where X is a number that matches the position |
| 05:36.39 | Amarande | heh, I remember during Wrath, one of our most memorable combat moments was the time our tank took literally a million points of damage in one shot from Necrotic |
| 05:36.51 | Primer | My goal of matchin "player2" with that frame...parse the playerX and match it with FrameName_blaX...sound reasonable? |
| 05:37.22 | Amarande | ... the kind of sad thing in terms of power creep is that by a couple expansions from now, maybe level 95 or so, a tank could probably take a million points of damage in one shot from Necrotic ... AND SURVIVE :P heh |
| 05:39.01 | Primer | No thoughts? |
| 05:39.43 | *** join/#wowuidev bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-112.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 05:40.00 | *** part/#wowuidev bluipodcow (~bluspacec@114-134-0-112.lightwire.co.nz) |
| 05:40.35 | starlon | I used to have one, but is there a trade skill addon that'll tap into auctionhouse addons for price lists? |
| 05:40.54 | starlon | I can't remember what the one was called. |
| 05:41.25 | Amarande | starlon: you mean something more complex than, say, ATSW or Skillet where you can just mouse over each mat and you get full-scale tooltips (including your AH data, if you have Auctioneer)? |
| 05:42.09 | starlon | It would show a sum total of all mats. |
| 05:42.20 | Primer | wow, my realm is totally broken |
| 05:42.30 | Primer | zone chat is tripled |
| 05:42.39 | Primer | DKs are killing their own faction |
| 05:42.46 | bluworkcow | funny bug |
| 05:42.48 | starlon | auctioneer will give you info on the tooltip about the mats. |
| 05:42.51 | bluworkcow | *kills Primer* |
| 05:42.57 | Amarande | Primer: welcome to the initial live outroll of cross-realm zones |
| 05:43.13 | Amarande | Expect to encounter about as many bugs as Silithus. They're about as big and mean, too. :) |
| 05:43.22 | Neffi | Also don't forget people randomly dropping dead |
| 05:43.31 | Neffi | Just happened to a whole crowd in SW |
| 05:43.37 | Amarande | Neffi: as in sudden death or literally dropping, as in out of the sky? |
| 05:43.44 | Neffi | As in sudden death |
| 05:43.54 | Neffi | Standing there, and die. No combat log firing. |
| 05:44.00 | Neffi | Just HP hits 0 and they drop |
| 05:44.01 | Amarande | There's apparently a bug where you can get dismounted at random while zone transitioning, which naturally involves going splat if you're on a flying mount and have no means of slow fall |
| 05:44.20 | Primer | Here the combat log is showing me getting this same-faction DK's diseases |
| 05:44.29 | Amarande | this will be fun in outland, heh |
| 05:44.34 | nevcairiel | if their corpses happen to form some advertisement, it may be intentional :P |
| 05:44.48 | Amarande | especially since I'm fond of cutting directly south when going from, say, Netherstorm to SMV |
| 05:44.53 | Neffi | Well nev, it happened to me as well. So I know it's not sinister. |
| 05:45.08 | Amarande | which means such trips may involve falling to my death out in the Twisting Nether :P |
| 05:45.31 | Neffi | When I switched back to rogue from druid, that happened about 20 times in the first week |
| 05:45.44 | Neffi | Dismount to do swirly air dance -> try to remount -> oh shit mount has a cast time |
| 05:46.02 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:46.05 | Neffi | Sucks in the twisting nether |
| 05:46.11 | Amarande | also on the subject of happy fun fall to your death tricks |
| 05:46.19 | Amarande | apparently every time you cross a CRZ boundary |
| 05:46.30 | Amarande | your mounts list gets scrambled |
| 05:46.49 | Amarande | have fun with random mount addons as you think you're about to get on a nice flying ride and then find yourself walking off a cliff on your elekk |
| 05:46.56 | nevcairiel | swirly air dances are reserved for druids, and its good that way! |
| 05:47.18 | Amarande | but hey, cliffs are your friend :)] |
| 05:47.43 | Neffi | I miss being able to cut travel time down by using fall speed to my advantage |
| 05:47.51 | Neffi | I wish my other characters had flight form |
| 05:48.27 | nevcairiel | just dont fly all that high, then there is no need to go back down |
| 05:49.17 | Amarande | nev: well, unless you're in Blade's Edge |
| 05:49.20 | Adys | lua> string |
| 05:49.20 | lua_bot | Adys: table: 0x97ae6e0 |
| 05:49.38 | Amarande | where some of the mountains are so high you need to be close to max altitude to be able to fly over them without having to wend your way |
| 05:50.22 | Amarande | heh. generally when cutting travel time using fall speed, it was because I expected to die and was taking advantage of being put in a good location GY-wise |
| 05:50.34 | Amarande | like when I only played horde and was trying to get Explore Teldrassil |
| 05:50.48 | Amarande | this was before cata, so flying over was not an option |
| 05:56.28 | Mr_Rabies | we just raided crithto |
| 06:01.12 | bluworkcow | oh rly? |
| 06:01.20 | bluworkcow | how many did you need to take him down ? |
| 06:03.22 | starlon | Somehow this website knows what realm my main is on. www.wowuction.com/ |
| 06:03.30 | starlon | Or what realm I'm usually on. |
| 06:04.09 | bluworkcow | it's cause they employ ceiling cat |
| 06:04.18 | Semlar | well.. it does ask you to choose a realm |
| 06:04.41 | starlon | I didn't choose a realm. |
| 06:04.59 | starlon | Or maybe I did some other time and don't remember? :/ |
| 06:05.01 | bluworkcow | possibly read your battle.net cookies then |
| 06:05.07 | Semlar | i'm guessing you did |
| 06:05.21 | bluworkcow | not sure if a browser can do that - one site looking at another's cookies |
| 06:05.31 | Semlar | eh |
| 06:05.34 | starlon | I was looking for this type of site the other day. I don't recall ever finding any other than wowecon, which is dead. |
| 06:05.51 | starlon | Or it never lived? dunno |
| 06:06.30 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can't read another domain's cookies |
| 06:06.44 | Semlar | that would be a huge security risk |
| 06:07.12 | Neffi | starlon: The Undermine Journal? |
| 06:11.19 | Mr_Rabies | so |
| 06:11.38 | Mr_Rabies | there's a guy on my server killing people on his faction |
| 06:12.12 | Neffi | Wish I could do that |
| 06:12.13 | Kemayo | Mine too. DK? |
| 06:12.27 | Semlar | can they fight back? |
| 06:12.46 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah, I'm pretty sure reading another domain's cookies is one of the main nefarious things that people try to do with so-called "XSS" exploits, right? |
| 06:12.56 | Kemayo | It was my level 2 bank alt who got Frost Fever one-shotted. So, hard to say. |
| 06:12.59 | Semlar | yeah |
| 06:13.42 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, does this only happen in cross-serverable capitals or does it occur in SW and Org too? |
| 06:13.52 | Amarande | my survival guide advice atm is as follows: |
| 06:14.06 | karl_w_w | dont log in |
| 06:14.14 | Amarande | 1) stay in Stormwind 2) don't cross zone boundaries if you don't need to (btw, you don't need to) 3) don't even think of queuing for dungeons or BGs |
| 06:15.00 | Amarande | again. expect to encounter about as many bugs as Silithus. They're about as big and mean, too. |
| 06:15.17 | Amarande | and to this, I should add, they're about as big and mean as the vanilla days when the Silithus bugs used to actually be elite. :P |
| 06:15.19 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:9cac:ae66:9e99:d2e3) |
| 06:15.34 | bluworkcow | has there been a Blizzard response on this yet ? US ? EU ? twitter ? drawings in the sand ? |
| 06:17.24 | Semlar | evidently they can cast blood plague on friendly targets |
| 06:18.00 | Amarande | heh, some people are now referencing when they merged Asian servers as 'an experiment' and saying we're guinea pigs of a different kind |
| 06:18.18 | Amarande | Shall we start betting that the work uniform at the Blizzard game design offices might well be Forsaken apothecary garb? LOL |
| 06:20.00 | Mr_Rabies | it was in sw too, Amarande |
| 06:20.13 | Mr_Rabies | he was killing people in the bank/AH |
| 06:20.21 | starlon | what's with these DKs going around killing friendlies? |
| 06:20.27 | Amarande | heh, maybe it's time not to log in till things are fixed, then :S |
| 06:20.54 | starlon | They're inflicting frost fever and blood plague. |
| 06:21.19 | Mr_Rabies | Amarande: if you wanna help document, gimme yo battletag |
| 06:21.44 | Amarande | starlon: it's called a bug. 5.0 has lots of them. I'm getting at least that feeling like 5.0 has more bugs than the rest of post-BC WoW put together, though :| |
| 06:22.29 | Amarande | vanilla was vanilla and a lot of new stuff came out, so understandable (also vanilla was much longer than any other 'expansion phase') that it would have had lots of bugs too |
| 06:22.56 | starlon | Amarande: Yes, I understand it's a bug. I'm hoping someone here knows about it. |
| 06:23.45 | Amarande | BC seemed to be pretty stable as far as bugs went, though. I don't really remember there being any particular problems apart from the occasional raid boss bug (and I never got to raid in BC anyway), the fact that PvP balance was lousy for some classes, and the fact that 2.3 made RFD horribly hard. Oh, and the fact that the Darrowshire battle quest was a horrible bug fest, but that's a given |
| 06:24.12 | Amarande | Wrath had a few bugs if I remember that persisted more or less throughout the expansion, though. (And Darrowshire was still a horrible bug fest, but that's a given.) |
| 06:24.47 | Amarande | Cata finally kinda sorta fixed Darrowshire, it also had a fair share of bugs that either got fixed late or not at all, though |
| 06:24.59 | Amarande | but MoP pre-patch, is to bugs what Stormwind is to humans |
| 06:25.33 | starlon | So they're "testing" this bug. Not exploiting it. :/ |
| 06:25.56 | Amarande | There's also arguments going on about whether people who get screwed over in certain ways by the time zone issue with Kalu'ak are exploiting or not |
| 06:25.57 | Primer | What's the "ants" thing in weakauras called? |
| 06:26.09 | Primer | All of a sudden one of my auras has a smaller "ants" thing |
| 06:26.11 | ccox | hmm, not that simple - my DK can't attack same faction |
| 06:26.22 | Amarande | particularly, people who go out into their fishing zone shortly before 1400 and hear the announcement, so they fish and get a blacktip |
| 06:26.47 | nevcairiel | It only works if you're still a fan of the lich king |
| 06:27.00 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/llane/Iamthedk/advanced this guy was doing it on my realm |
| 06:27.01 | nevcairiel | they're all showing their true face now! |
| 06:27.10 | Amarande | they come back to Dalaran and find that the server hosting them for Dala is still a little after 1300, so they have just enough time on the blacktip shark's duration to be able to wait till 1400 in Dalaran to turn it in |
| 06:27.26 | Amarande | there's apparently a fairly heated debate going on now about whether people who do that are exploiters or not |
| 06:27.57 | Mr_Rabies | uh, yeah |
| 06:28.25 | Mr_Rabies | i followed him around and healed as many people as i could as he dotted them up |
| 06:28.35 | nevcairiel | then he jumped you? |
| 06:28.50 | Amarande | I don't see how they can be though, otherwise you're basically saying that people are only allowed to win the derby if they luck out into Dala and their chosen fishing zone both being on the same time zone |
| 06:29.08 | Amarande | (which is often not the case, and actually, there are apparently servers where NO other Northrend zone has the same time as Dala ... heh) |
| 06:30.02 | Mr_Rabies | they should just remove the derby from anything important so it's not really a big deal |
| 06:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | it's had its time and it's obvious it's more trouble than it's worth |
| 06:34.36 | Kemayo | For what it's worth, the reddit AMA featured "CRZ isn't intended to affect fishing tournaments. We'll get that fixed if the patch today didn't fix it. " |
| 06:35.10 | starlon | heh |
| 06:37.19 | Mr_Rabies | ah i see what the exploit is |
| 06:37.26 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of ridiculous that it works |
| 06:37.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi (~Neffi@pool-173-56-100-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:38.17 | Mr_Rabies | apparently blood plague and frost fever are somehow setup as directly castable spells, /facepalm |
| 06:38.57 | starlon | nods. |
| 06:39.50 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 06:42.36 | Kemayo | Yeah, people in trade are talking about the details now. `/cast Frost Fever`, baby. |
| 06:43.15 | Mr_Rabies | i can't believe that's possible |
| 06:43.18 | Mr_Rabies | /facepalm |
| 06:43.23 | Mr_Rabies | i'm reporting people left and right |
| 06:44.13 | znf | What good will that do? |
| 06:44.33 | nevcairiel | a big ticket flood will maybe make hte problem go away faster |
| 06:44.54 | Mr_Rabies | znf: it'll hopefully get cheating jerks banned |
| 06:45.13 | znf | Wait, you talking about them killing their own people? If so, how is that cheating? |
| 06:45.47 | nevcairiel | you're using a bug to cause harm and grief, thats usually called exploiting, rather similar to cheating :p |
| 06:45.49 | karl_w_w | ^not sure if srs |
| 06:45.59 | bluworkcow | who srs? |
| 06:46.07 | bluworkcow | karl_w_w: y so srs? |
| 06:46.28 | znf | cheating != exploiting |
| 06:46.28 | karl_w_w | bluworkcow: dmy |
| 06:46.38 | starlon | a cheat is an exploit :P |
| 06:46.48 | znf | cheating implies having an advantage, something to gain |
| 06:46.57 | bluworkcow | well yeah |
| 06:46.57 | znf | killing one of your faction does not present any advantage |
| 06:47.04 | znf | starlon, yes, but not the other way around |
| 06:47.13 | bluworkcow | except for revenge for retarded pug groups or raids |
| 06:47.35 | karl_w_w | if they dont get anything out of it, why do they do it? |
| 06:47.38 | znf | Someone's on a crusade then :P |
| 06:47.45 | nevcairiel | they get something out of it, otherwise they wouldnt do it, and if its only that great feeling of being an ass :P |
| 06:47.48 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 06:47.49 | jnwhiteh | sc2 beta |
| 06:47.52 | jnwhiteh | no time to play =/ |
| 06:47.58 | bluworkcow | *shrug* |
| 06:48.33 | bluworkcow | there's been plenty of tickets logged with GMs apparently. As well as an email going across the MVP mailing list. Someone higher up should see something on it none too soon |
| 06:48.41 | bluworkcow | possibly another emergency patch |
| 06:49.01 | karl_w_w | should be hotfixable |
| 06:49.08 | znf | There's an MVP mailing list? :o |
| 06:49.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Archarodim (HydraIRC@lev92-4-88-164-134-95.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:49.22 | jnwhiteh | mvpcirclejerk@blizzardlists.com |
| 06:49.23 | jnwhiteh | ofc |
| 06:50.25 | starlon | So someone stated that Blizz wouldn't ban anyone because sooooooooooooo many DKs are exploiting the bug. I guess it would be just too much work. |
| 06:50.56 | nevcairiel | would be fun if they just banned every DK that did it for one day, on teh 25th |
| 06:50.57 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 06:51.02 | starlon | lol |
| 06:51.07 | starlon | lmao |
| 06:51.13 | karl_w_w | that would be awesome |
| 06:51.20 | bluworkcow | not really |
| 06:51.29 | karl_w_w | in fact, just ban all DKs whether they did it or not |
| 06:51.31 | bluworkcow | if there's a facility to flag an account from a ticket for a banning |
| 06:51.41 | bluworkcow | then it's effectively just a button a GM pushes |
| 06:51.52 | bluworkcow | there may be lots of tickets but each GM only services one at a time. |
| 06:52.32 | bluworkcow | @karl_w_w: y u haet? |
| 06:52.58 | karl_w_w | because DKs suck |
| 06:53.14 | karl_w_w | http://www.scoopon.com.au/deals/17415/sleek-4gb-usb-silver-cufflinks-delivered amazing |
| 06:55.01 | starlon | Looks like GMs are taking the abilities away from DKs. |
| 06:58.09 | Adys | lua> true |
| 06:58.09 | lua_bot | Adys: true |
| 06:58.18 | Adys | lua> true .. "foo" |
| 06:58.18 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to concatenate a boolean value |
| 06:58.30 | Adys | lua> tostring(true) .. "foo" |
| 06:58.30 | lua_bot | Adys: truefoo |
| 06:58.41 | Adys | its been too long |
| 06:59.29 | nevcairiel | lua> 1 .. "foo" |
| 06:59.29 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1foo |
| 06:59.39 | nevcairiel | i thought it was doing some auto-conversions |
| 06:59.45 | nevcairiel | guess not for everything |
| 07:03.18 | karl_w_w | lua> tonumber("3foo") |
| 07:03.19 | lua_bot | karl_w_w: nil |
| 07:03.38 | Mr_Rabies | been hotfixed here |
| 07:03.45 | starlon | cool |
| 07:03.52 | starlon | The realm went down for this? |
| 07:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | didn't see it |
| 07:04.08 | starlon | ah |
| 07:04.12 | Mr_Rabies | but one of the exploiters complained that it was fixed |
| 07:04.17 | Mr_Rabies | then went offline shortly thereafter |
| 07:04.18 | starlon | nods. |
| 07:04.28 | Mr_Rabies | also the other guy i reported is offline too |
| 07:04.31 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully he's banned |
| 07:04.35 | starlon | heh |
| 07:05.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@96-42-240-206.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 07:07.54 | Mr_Rabies | even if one of them isn't banned |
| 07:08.01 | Mr_Rabies | i know their assitant GM |
| 07:08.04 | Mr_Rabies | :D |
| 07:08.16 | Mr_Rabies | why on earth would you exploit on your main |
| 07:08.20 | Mr_Rabies | if you're gonna do it |
| 07:08.32 | Mr_Rabies | at least use an alt, what the heck |
| 07:09.28 | starlon | nods. |
| 07:09.54 | karl_w_w | 1) it doesn't make a difference who you exploit on, 2) their DK happens to be their main perhaps? |
| 07:11.38 | Mr_Rabies | it does, cause even if the ban is short, you may kill your reputation on your server/guild |
| 07:14.37 | starlon | So someone linked some fishing recipe "art of fishing" or something. Apparently it causes the client to crash. :/ |
| 07:15.00 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 07:16.02 | Neffi | Anyone notice that AoE loot sometimes causes quest drops with a 100% chance to only drop once (even though you're looting multiple mobs)? |
| 07:16.11 | Neffi | Or is it justme? |
| 07:17.37 | Mr_Rabies | i have not |
| 07:17.51 | Neffi | Maybe the items are no longer 100% chance |
| 07:17.54 | Neffi | Or I'm just mistaken |
| 07:18.04 | Mr_Rabies | i was farming murlocs for some quest in theramore and the drop was 100% |
| 07:18.11 | Mr_Rabies | aoe looting is amazing, btw |
| 07:18.21 | Mr_Rabies | aq was like, ten times faster |
| 07:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish they'd fix all the loot-a-rang issues, though |
| 07:19.04 | Neffi | Yeah, I finally can loot in dungeons |
| 07:19.07 | Mr_Rabies | it should be castable while moving and have a shorter cooldown |
| 07:19.11 | karl_w_w | do you still have to skin everything individually? |
| 07:19.14 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 07:19.17 | Neffi | Crowds of 50 bodies, don't have to say "fuck it keep moving" |
| 07:19.27 | Mr_Rabies | they should make a consumable |
| 07:19.39 | Mr_Rabies | like a wolverine you throw at dead mobs |
| 07:19.45 | Mr_Rabies | and it skins all of them |
| 07:20.05 | Neffi | but then all you'd get is [Ragged Leather Scraps] |
| 07:21.24 | karl_w_w | it wouldnt be so bad but when you're trying to skin a group the one you've just skinned doesnt disappear fast enough so half the time you accidentally start trying to skin it again |
| 07:23.45 | Mr_Rabies | my skinner's a worgen |
| 07:23.47 | Mr_Rabies | tell me about it |
| 07:24.08 | karl_w_w | my other car's a ferrari |
| 07:26.34 | znf | oh, I should farm older dungeons these days |
| 07:26.43 | znf | keep forgetting that we have aoe looting now |
| 07:33.10 | starlon | yeah aoe looting is awesome |
| 07:34.18 | Mr_Rabies | i read "my other cat's a ferrari" |
| 07:34.22 | Mr_Rabies | i should probably get some sleep |
| 07:34.41 | starlon | lol |
| 07:37.04 | bluworkcow | my other cat is a ferengi |
| 07:37.06 | bluworkcow | is how i read it |
| 07:38.43 | starlon | throws a series of angry cats at bluworkcow. |
| 07:39.04 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.19 | karl_w_w | 28 second break bluworkcow? |
| 07:44.43 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:9cac:ae66:9e99:d2e3) |
| 07:44.49 | bluworkcow | :( |
| 08:06.59 | *** join/#wowuidev ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 08:06.59 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ChanServ] by lindbohm.freenode.net |
| 08:07.05 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 08:07.17 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Instantbi@ip98-165-104-202.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 08:07.18 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 08:07.33 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@c83-250-4-57.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 08:07.33 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 08:08.41 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 08:14.34 | Jamash | aoe loots your precious |
| 08:16.06 | starlon | you don't just aoe loot to mordor |
| 08:18.21 | karl_w_w | pathetic |
| 08:24.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Kalroth (~Kalroth@d40aa5af.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 08:32.16 | Neffi | Shouldn't said: One does not simply AoE loot the ring-wraiths. |
| 08:32.27 | Neffi | s/Shouldn't/Should've/ |
| 08:33.26 | karl_w_w | chorizo is awesome |
| 08:33.44 | Neffi | Speaking of, any Tolkien nerds gonna go see An Unexpected Journey in December? |
| 08:33.53 | Neffi | seriouslly CANNOT wait. |
| 08:34.03 | *** join/#wowuidev ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 08:34.03 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ChanServ] by lindbohm.freenode.net |
| 08:34.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Instantbi@ip98-165-104-202.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 08:34.21 | karl_w_w | tolkien nerds are the lowest of the low |
| 08:34.24 | Neffi | I'm so glad they chose to break that into 3 parts. The Hobbit's a great story. I would've hated to see it last only 3 hours. |
| 08:34.37 | Cairenn | ~staple ChanServ |
| 08:34.37 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples ChanServ quite well, and hands ChanServ to cairenn |
| 08:34.56 | Neffi | ~slap karl_w_w |
| 08:34.56 | purl | ACTION slaps karl_w_w, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 08:35.23 | starlon | Neffi: Oh nice one. |
| 08:35.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04C629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:35.38 | Neffi | >_> |
| 08:35.50 | karl_w_w | sorry they're not the lowest of the low |
| 08:36.15 | karl_w_w | they're just above star wars fans, but that's it |
| 08:36.40 | Neffi | There's two classes of fiction nerds |
| 08:36.58 | Neffi | Perma-virgins who salivate over stories and give up no chance to overglorify them |
| 08:37.07 | Neffi | And people who just appreciate a great piece of art |
| 08:37.32 | karl_w_w | calling either great pieces of art is overglorification |
| 08:37.39 | Neffi | I think the integrity of the Star Wars franchise precludes the 2nd type |
| 08:37.58 | Jamash | @Neffi: trolling or srs? [04:33:59] <Neffi> I'm so glad they chose to break that into 3 parts. The Hobbit's a great story. I would've hated to see it last only 3 hours. |
| 08:38.07 | Neffi | Srs |
| 08:38.11 | Jamash | huh |
| 08:38.18 | Jamash | seems like a ridiculous cash grab to me |
| 08:38.21 | Neffi | karl_w_w: then what's a great piece of art? |
| 08:38.28 | Neffi | Possibly |
| 08:38.30 | Jamash | 6 books -> 3 movies, 1 book -> 3 movies? |
| 08:38.35 | Neffi | But if it's done well, it'll be for the better |
| 08:38.44 | Neffi | Yeah the 6->3 thing disappointed me a little |
| 08:38.54 | Neffi | And 1->2 on Hobbit would've been sufficient |
| 08:39.24 | Jamash | agreed, make some of the side stories instead of a 3rd hobbit movie |
| 08:40.17 | Neffi | Children of Hurin could've been a great 2-part movie |
| 08:40.37 | karl_w_w | Neffi: in cinema? cant think of any right now |
| 08:40.56 | Neffi | karl_w_w: When I said "great piece of art" I was referring to the books |
| 08:41.07 | Neffi | The movies are great and all, but not like the books |
| 08:41.26 | karl_w_w | and when i was saying that's an overglorification I was referring to both |
| 08:42.06 | Neffi | so edgy |
| 08:42.51 | karl_w_w | edgy? im suffering dizziness and fatigue, my brain is moving much too slow to be edgy :P |
| 08:49.46 | starlon | Damn it's cold tonight. >.< My toes are freezing. |
| 08:50.38 | karl_w_w | put socks on |
| 08:51.12 | starlon | I need more pairs on. |
| 08:51.20 | starlon | brb lol |
| 08:51.31 | starlon | actually I should be in bed |
| 08:53.53 | starlon | healing rain is cool and all, but you can barely tell where its area is located. |
| 08:54.13 | starlon | hug the diamond I guess |
| 08:54.34 | karl_w_w | it should rain harder |
| 08:54.46 | randomDude | where? |
| 08:55.05 | karl_w_w | in the healing rain |
| 08:57.23 | bluspacecow | november rain |
| 08:57.45 | starlon | well this is an annoying bug. my library creates a frame, and this creation causes a stack overflow when switching between combat log window and chat window. |
| 08:58.16 | starlon | I'm not even sure why it's doing this when changing windows. :/ |
| 08:58.18 | karl_w_w | doesnt sound like any bug i know |
| 08:59.08 | Humbedooh | I have confidence in starlon's ability to create weird bugs |
| 08:59.29 | starlon | heh |
| 09:00.29 | Neffi | Does the "move-to" command not work on Water Elemental? |
| 09:00.36 | Neffi | I'm confused that it's in the spellbook yet doesn't work |
| 09:01.58 | karl_w_w | do u have him glyphed? maybe that bugs it |
| 09:02.18 | Neffi | No glyph on him |
| 09:02.59 | karl_w_w | all i know is it worked before 5.x |
| 09:04.42 | Neffi | Ah if it's just a bug, I'll bind it anyway |
| 09:13.27 | karl_w_w | currently getting 10 kbps |
| 09:13.33 | karl_w_w | man i wish i had dialup |
| 09:13.41 | *** join/#wowuidev neutronimity (~neutronim@g228078206.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:13.41 | *** join/#wowuidev neutronimity (~neutronim@unaffiliated/neutronimity) |
| 09:13.50 | Humbedooh | covers karl_w_w in AOL CDs |
| 09:14.14 | karl_w_w | suffocates |
| 09:16.54 | starlon | Hmm the bug went away when I deleted my saved variables. Also, changing the path to the frame creation so to comment out the function did nothing to change the stack trace. :/ The function still got called. |
| 09:17.36 | starlon | blames Humbedooh. |
| 09:18.01 | Humbedooh | yeah, that's always the safe route - blaming me =) |
| 09:18.16 | Humbedooh | good thing I now have henchmen, and can defer to them for blame ^^ |
| 09:18.30 | Humbedooh | or..._a_ henchman |
| 09:18.39 | Humbedooh | I call him #2! |
| 09:19.11 | starlon | :) |
| 09:20.43 | *** join/#wowuidev chrippa (~chrippa@ua-83-227-215-26.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 09:21.22 | bluspacecow | AND i! |
| 09:21.27 | bluspacecow | am number #blu |
| 09:22.17 | Humbedooh | kk |
| 09:22.40 | karl_w_w | I told you not to stop taking your meds bluspacecow |
| 09:22.55 | karl_w_w | if you feel like you don't need them that's because they're working |
| 09:23.11 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 09:23.53 | Humbedooh | and if you start seeing unicorns everywhere, you just need to double the dosage |
| 09:24.20 | karl_w_w | what? why? |
| 09:24.27 | karl_w_w | have you got something against unicorns? |
| 09:24.43 | karl_w_w | damned cornism is rampant in our society |
| 09:24.47 | Humbedooh | they're not ponies :\ |
| 09:25.34 | karl_w_w | you sicken me |
| 09:25.48 | Humbedooh | dodecacorns on the other hand.. |
| 09:29.22 | karl_w_w | stupid wow |
| 09:29.32 | karl_w_w | it's presenting me with the eula every time i start it |
| 09:35.06 | bluspacecow | check config.wtf for obvious values |
| 09:37.29 | bluspacecow | beginning with read |
| 09:39.06 | znf | DK bug + Moonguard = http://i.imgur.com/d7l23.jpg |
| 09:41.40 | neutronimity | DK bug? |
| 10:03.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffii (~Neffi@pool-173-56-100-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 10:06.06 | znf | neutronimity, DKs could cast offensive spells on allies |
| 10:06.16 | Fisker | old znf |
| 10:06.25 | znf | Fisker, go F yourself |
| 10:06.40 | Fisker | why should i Fisker myself? |
| 10:06.45 | Fisker | i'm already 100% Fisker |
| 10:06.51 | neutronimity | Thanks znf. |
| 10:06.56 | neutronimity | Just for the kicks of it. |
| 10:07.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Xuerian (~core@173-167-55-220-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 10:09.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou| (~Caribou@110.103-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 10:09.37 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow what's your favourite cheese? |
| 10:14.38 | Fisker | blu |
| 10:14.40 | Fisker | damnit |
| 10:14.40 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:14.41 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 10:19.01 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/9WqNi.jpg heh |
| 10:19.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04C629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:19.55 | Neffii | znf: What in god's name happened there? |
| 10:20.08 | znf | DK bug + Moonshine RP |
| 10:20.20 | Neffii | lol |
| 10:20.24 | Neffii | awesome |
| 10:25.43 | neutronimity | Mind Vision is broken :( |
| 10:27.40 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 10:28.25 | neutronimity | The camera point sometimes resets to the player character after chain jumping, instead of the next Mind Vision target |
| 10:28.46 | zenzelezz | doh! |
| 10:29.11 | neutronimity | I just got reset back to my own character, seeing myself channeling Mind Vision, three times within 2-3 jumps |
| 10:29.44 | neutronimity | Is that a known issue or something? |
| 10:31.02 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@188.177.103.242) |
| 10:31.05 | neutronimity | If you are in trade district, near Hero's Board, /tar Gavin -> /tar Leria -> any SW guard. |
| 10:31.18 | neutronimity | Breaks as early as casting on Leria |
| 10:34.53 | karl_w_w | it's always been like that for me |
| 10:36.36 | *** join/#wowuidev EthanCentaurai (~ethan@host-92-24-191-182.ppp.as43234.net) |
| 10:39.17 | *** join/#wowuidev d[karl]b (~karl@120.22.179.148) |
| 10:53.38 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@80-244-73-128.customer.t3.se) |
| 10:53.40 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 11:25.50 | *** join/#wowuidev F16Gaming (F16Gaming@p6-691d-5e0c.10m.i.exo.me.uk) |
| 11:33.07 | *** join/#wowuidev zoktar (~zoktar@78-72-44-112-no186.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 11:35.48 | mikma | http://imgur.com/gallery/pCbcW |
| 11:59.10 | *** join/#wowuidev F16Gaming (F16Gaming@p6-691d-5e0c.10m.i.exo.me.uk) |
| 12:08.34 | neutronimity | -/use [swimming,flyable,mod:alt]Flight Form;[swimming,mod:alt]Travel Form;[swimming]Aquatic Form |
| 12:08.34 | neutronimity | -/use [flyable,mod:alt]Flight Form;[mod:alt]Travel Form;Nature's Grasp |
| 12:08.37 | neutronimity | lmao |
| 12:14.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Vladinator (~Vladinato@102.111.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 12:17.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 12:22.49 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 12:30.14 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 12:30.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 12:33.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi (~Neffi@pool-173-56-100-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 12:54.06 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow_ (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 12:54.06 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow_] by ChanServ |
| 13:06.52 | *** join/#wowuidev chrippa (~chrippa@ua-83-227-215-26.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 13:25.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 13:32.04 | Vladinator | okay, I suck at SetPoint, so basically if I have one icon and I wish to position another icon below that one, how can I do it without uding the x,y offset? |
| 13:32.19 | Vladinator | using* basically it's one texture below the other ;) |
| 13:33.48 | Neffi | T[N]:SetPoint('TOP',T[N-1],'BOTTOM') |
| 13:34.12 | Neffi | x,y become your offsets from that |
| 13:34.25 | Neffi | Omitted, it will be stitched directly below with no gap |
| 13:35.24 | Vladinator | aye, that's right |
| 13:35.42 | Vladinator | anchors our TOP to the bottom of the targeted object |
| 13:35.44 | Vladinator | I get it |
| 13:36.00 | Neffi | The screen is just a simple grid |
| 13:36.10 | Vladinator | question 2, if I have a frame that contains textures, can I make the textures not overflow the parent region? |
| 13:36.12 | Vladinator | :P |
| 13:36.37 | Neffi | Explain more? |
| 13:37.00 | Vladinator | parent frame is 320x200 texture is 800x600 |
| 13:37.05 | Vladinator | the texture will appear outside the parent |
| 13:37.17 | Neffi | T:SetAllPoints(F) |
| 13:37.21 | Neffi | T=texture, F=parent |
| 13:37.25 | Vladinator | but it's not 1 texture |
| 13:37.34 | Vladinator | it's many textures that make one |
| 13:37.50 | Vladinator | using SetPoint and such, so it's a big texture all together, and I'd wish it not to grow outside the parent :P |
| 13:38.00 | Vladinator | like the edge of the parent would simply make what is outside invisible |
| 13:38.33 | Neffi | You need to calculate the size of the frame against the size of the textures, do simple division to figure out how many full textures fit in each direction, and then size the partial textures based on that division |
| 13:38.48 | Neffi | Or try using a ScrollFrame |
| 13:39.10 | Neffi | ScrollFrames allow you to "scroll" the contents, any overflow is hidden |
| 13:39.22 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 13:39.24 | Vladinator | I shall |
| 13:39.37 | Neffi | What is this for? |
| 13:41.03 | Vladinator | trying to make a map like thing :p textures in a frame and you can move the images around |
| 13:41.56 | Neffi | Throwing a shitload of textures in a ScrollFrame isn't necessarily good practice |
| 13:42.02 | Vladinator | no |
| 13:42.13 | Vladinator | but I just want to play with it atm :) |
| 13:42.44 | Vladinator | html is easier, lol, child objects never overflow if you specify that in css ;D |
| 13:44.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04C629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:52.32 | *** join/#wowuidev d[karl]b (~karl@101.116.164.210) |
| 13:52.52 | Vladinator | this is difficult, because to make this scroll and pan when dragging I gotta use x,y offsets but scrollframe doesn't like that I think :P |
| 13:54.47 | Vladinator | it works ^^ |
| 14:03.16 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@188.177.103.242) |
| 14:07.42 | karl_w_w | enhance has changed so much this is ridiculous |
| 14:14.07 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 14:14.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 14:27.27 | pompy | Parnic: http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIAGeForce/posts/225233324269423 are you der? |
| 14:33.56 | *** join/#wowuidev wolftankk (~wolftankk@114.93.50.149) |
| 14:38.51 | *** join/#wowuidev F16Gaming (F16Gaming@p6-691d-5e0c.10m.i.exo.me.uk) |
| 14:40.23 | *** join/#wowuidev mikma (mikma@reaktio.net) |
| 14:40.48 | *** join/#wowuidev wolftankk (~wolftankk@206.253.165.217) |
| 14:41.01 | karl_w_w | didnt northern spices used to be bop? |
| 14:42.12 | Jammer | nope |
| 14:43.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande_ (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 14:57.45 | *** join/#wowuidev wolftankk (~wolftankk@114.93.50.149) |
| 14:58.17 | karl_w_w | jeez 63k auctions on my AH |
| 14:58.33 | karl_w_w | gonna have epic login queues when mists lands |
| 15:06.52 | *** join/#wowuidev wolftankk (~wolftankk@114.93.50.149) |
| 15:07.12 | Ressy | dang. 23270 on Medivh's Alliance AH |
| 15:14.13 | *** join/#wowuidev onyxfox (~John@adsl-71-145-129-107.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:15.26 | onyxfox | Hello all, I was trying to find a needle in a haystack and was hoping y'all could help. the bank frame seems to have added a few textures for bank slot backgrounds and rivets that have no name and are parented to BankFrame. What's the best way to find these textures so I can hide them? |
| 15:17.32 | bluspacecow | heh best |
| 15:17.38 | bluspacecow | there's long ways |
| 15:17.41 | bluspacecow | and then there's short way |
| 15:17.42 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.193.193) |
| 15:18.32 | bluspacecow | i would start by figuring out what format the textures are in. then using Ladik's MPQ editor hunt around the MPQ files |
| 15:19.13 | bluspacecow | also /framestack |
| 15:19.15 | onyxfox | Well, that involves making a texture pack, is that what you mean? |
| 15:20.58 | onyxfox | yeah, i can /framestack or /dump BankFrame:GetRegions() but since they are not named, won't I have to iterate over the regions until I can identify the ones in question? |
| 15:29.27 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:6595:ab7d:c500:f3cf) |
| 15:29.28 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 15:30.12 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@adsl-67-121-230-71.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 15:35.10 | mckenziemc | Amarande: (wrt last night) 1) considering how many musings you make, it's not suprising some would be right, 2) you're assuming that's simply how it's going to be, not that Blizzard would mess up, and 3) the point is not so much about your accuracy as it is that most of the time it's pointless to worry about these things because there's nothing we can really do, hence why we don't care |
| 15:35.26 | mckenziemc | surprising* |
| 15:35.49 | mckenziemc | also wrong verb tenses >.> |
| 15:36.35 | Amarande | yeah, I guess there isn't really much to do about Blizzard decisions besides rail and wait for them to fix things, if they ever do, heh |
| 15:36.57 | Amarande | ok, this article about CRZ is fairly lol-worthy ... one of the places they suggest visiting to experience the wonders of there being people around now is ... the Exodar |
| 15:36.59 | Amarande | LOL |
| 15:37.18 | Amarande | I think you could probably merge all 200+ US realms together and the Exodar would still be deader than dead |
| 15:37.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal (~torhal@c-71-207-224-241.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 15:37.59 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 15:39.22 | Amarande | well, really, unless you're a low level draenei, or a hunter stopping by at high levels to grab the white core hound, what earthly reason would anyone have to go to Azuremyst anyway :) |
| 15:40.36 | Amarande | I suppose maybe if you're frustrated about not being able to get enough copper to start BS due to your CRZ Elwynn being too crowded, but 1) dynamic spawn rates, 2) Dun Morogh is still pretty dead and is a lot easier to get to, and 3) starter mats at least seem to have been kept plentiful enough |
| 15:43.57 | mckenziemc | in your previous rant about cross-realm zones and resources, you seemed to overlook #1 and #3 runs counter to your conclusion :) |
| 15:46.02 | Torhal | mckenziemc: You're keeping track of rants? Jesus, you must be bored. |
| 15:46.21 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.35 | mckenziemc | Torhal: sometimes i hate my memory |
| 15:46.54 | Torhal | mckenziemc: The problem is that you're READING the drivel. |
| 15:47.04 | mckenziemc | true |
| 15:47.43 | bluspacecow | mckenziemc: where |
| 15:47.50 | bluspacecow | where'd i put my pants ? |
| 15:47.58 | mckenziemc | on your lower body |
| 15:48.47 | Amarande | well, I have yet to see whether intermediate mats are also spawning at the needed rates |
| 15:49.13 | Amarande | especially when you start getting to the 200-300 range and you start needing a full stack of mats or so for a single skill up |
| 15:49.59 | Amarande | I don't have any characters in the level 14-84 range, sooo ... heh |
| 15:50.13 | Amarande | (well, apart from a freshly rolled DK that I haven't done anything with yet) |
| 15:54.52 | Adys | nevcairiel: ping |
| 15:54.53 | nevcairiel | Adys: pong |
| 15:55.56 | mckenziemc | ~bonk everyone Adys & nevcairel |
| 15:55.56 | purl | ACTION bonks Adys & nevcairel over the head on behalf of everyone |
| 15:56.22 | mckenziemc | s/nevcairel/nevcairiel/ |
| 15:56.51 | mckenziemc | sorry for quadruple ping D: |
| 15:59.52 | Amarande | interesting, a blogger is stating that the CRZ glitches are also quite possibly ISP related (which might explain why it wasn't caught by Blizzard in-house testers?) |
| 16:00.07 | Amarande | though I'm not entirely sure what ISPs could be doing to cause things like that to go wonkier than on other ISPs :S |
| 16:02.34 | Vladinator | who here was the DBC guy? |
| 16:02.37 | *** join/#wowuidev arnie_ (bc241dc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.36.29.195) |
| 16:03.02 | Vladinator | I remember long ago when 5.X came out someone said they got the latest but their game wasn't yet patched and such, but now, maybe someone knows the person :P |
| 16:03.53 | bluspacecow | DBC guy ? |
| 16:04.16 | nevcairiel | adys has some scripts to parse the DBC files, i think |
| 16:04.35 | Adys | yes that was me Vladinator |
| 16:04.37 | Vladinator | :D |
| 16:05.01 | Vladinator | Could you send me a batch of the latest DBC files? |
| 16:05.44 | Vladinator | fyi wowhead looks weird |
| 16:05.49 | Vladinator | margins on the sides :P |
| 16:05.57 | Adys | its really not up to date now |
| 16:06.04 | Adys | barely was for cata |
| 16:06.05 | Vladinator | oh |
| 16:06.06 | Adys | but |
| 16:06.08 | Adys | github.com/adys/pywow |
| 16:06.12 | Vladinator | I know that one |
| 16:06.14 | Adys | in wdbc/structures |
| 16:06.20 | Vladinator | I meant if you can send me the DBC files :P |
| 16:06.27 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.29 | Vladinator | not how to extract them, because I am having problems with that lol :P |
| 16:06.29 | bluspacecow | i have DBC extractor that works with the current MPQs |
| 16:06.33 | Adys | there |
| 16:06.34 | Vladinator | you do? |
| 16:06.40 | bluspacecow | off someone here on #wowuidev |
| 16:06.43 | bluspacecow | forget whom |
| 16:06.47 | Vladinator | I am very interested :) |
| 16:07.10 | bluspacecow | for mac ? |
| 16:07.24 | Vladinator | :P |
| 16:07.26 | Vladinator | windows |
| 16:08.07 | bluspacecow | mac only soz |
| 16:08.18 | mckenziemc | (s)mac(k)s bluspacecow |
| 16:08.39 | bluspacecow | you'll need to grab Ladik's MPQ editor and do it the hard way |
| 16:08.40 | Adys | Vladinator: i could whip one up i guess |
| 16:08.58 | Vladinator | no seriously it sounds so easy and I've been trying to do it using ladiks mpq editor |
| 16:09.06 | Vladinator | but I only get weirdly patched semi up to date DBC files mixed |
| 16:09.06 | Vladinator | :/ |
| 16:09.14 | Vladinator | like some are up to date, others are older versions, e.g. |
| 16:09.17 | Vladinator | it's frustrating :P |
| 16:09.42 | Vladinator | and none have a spell.dbc like file or it's old and such, very, very, frustrating. |
| 16:10.40 | Adys | well Vladinator |
| 16:10.55 | Adys | pywow which i linked also lets you create mpq environments |
| 16:10.59 | Adys | those work really well with cata/mop |
| 16:11.03 | bluspacecow | do you have something to read them? |
| 16:11.23 | Vladinator | I remember that the python mpq dll didn't compile on my machine |
| 16:11.27 | Vladinator | :P |
| 16:11.53 | Adys | suck it up |
| 16:11.54 | Adys | :P |
| 16:12.04 | Vladinator | I tried for some days and gave up hehe ^^ |
| 16:12.09 | Vladinator | bluspacecow: read the dbc files? yes |
| 16:12.12 | Vladinator | converting them to csv |
| 16:12.49 | Vladinator | does the order I put the patch files matter in the patching process on ladkids? |
| 16:12.57 | Vladinator | I tried all permutations but output was the same, so I guess not |
| 16:13.01 | Vladinator | but curious if you know otherwise |
| 16:13.34 | pompy | ladkids? ;) |
| 16:13.42 | arnie_ | What does possessbar, overridebar and tempshapeshiftbar do? Last time I played all we had to worry about was bonusbar 5 and vehicleui. How do these states differ? |
| 16:13.57 | mckenziemc | no pympom |
| 16:13.58 | Vladinator | ladik's :P |
| 16:14.28 | Adys | Vladinator: what do you want me to extract |
| 16:14.46 | Vladinator | the dbc folder but up to date :/ |
| 16:15.04 | Vladinator | not like what I usually get, missing files, corrupt, or some patched and some old files :P |
| 16:16.42 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 16:16.47 | bluspacecow | this DBC extractor |
| 16:17.00 | bluspacecow | use zezula's storm lib 6.0 as a framework |
| 16:17.03 | bluspacecow | bit old |
| 16:18.39 | Vladinator | what I managed to extract now is 73,1 MB (76 736 978 bytes) the whole folder |
| 16:18.43 | Vladinator | is it what you also got, Adys? |
| 16:18.46 | Vladinator | 298 files |
| 16:18.55 | Adys | um |
| 16:19.06 | Adys | i have 412 files |
| 16:19.10 | Adys | >>> len(dbcs) |
| 16:19.10 | Adys | 412 |
| 16:19.50 | Vladinator | aha |
| 16:19.54 | Vladinator | mine was minus the 0 byte ifles |
| 16:20.00 | Vladinator | files* |
| 16:20.03 | Adys | http://paste2.org/p/2226973 |
| 16:20.08 | Adys | yeah i didnt filter on 0-bytes |
| 16:20.17 | Adys | lemme see |
| 16:20.18 | Vladinator | spell.dbc is 0? |
| 16:20.25 | Vladinator | probably, it looks they split it up into sub files |
| 16:20.55 | bluspacecow | i got 294 , 22 of which are 0 bytes |
| 16:21.08 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 16:21.12 | Vladinator | 4 file different >.< |
| 16:21.16 | Vladinator | how about folder size? |
| 16:21.32 | bluspacecow | 74.5 MB . on os x 10.8.1 |
| 16:21.49 | bluspacecow | it counts kilobytes differently. using 1000 not 1024 |
| 16:22.04 | Vladinator | :P |
| 16:22.14 | Vladinator | that's why I used bytes, hehe :p |
| 16:22.18 | Vladinator | mine is 76 736 978 bytes |
| 16:22.38 | Vladinator | adys if you send me what you got I can do a folder diff and see :p |
| 16:22.41 | bluspacecow | 74 525 881 |
| 16:23.16 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 16:23.42 | Vladinator | btw I don't got a map.dbc |
| 16:23.42 | Vladinator | :P |
| 16:23.46 | Adys | Vladinator: I need to modify some stuff first |
| 16:23.50 | Vladinator | ofc |
| 16:24.04 | Vladinator | do you have a map.dbc blu? :P |
| 16:24.09 | *** join/#wowuidev TMc51 (~Miranda@cpe-74-71-63-167.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 16:24.25 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 16:25.40 | Vladinator | do you have a tool to make the db2 into csv or something? ;) |
| 16:27.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande_ (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 16:27.27 | Adys | interesting |
| 16:27.36 | Adys | i get an error opening ItemLimitCategory.dbc |
| 16:27.44 | Adys | which is to be expected sorta |
| 16:28.03 | Vladinator | the mpq editor extracted that one for me |
| 16:28.08 | Adys | is it 0-byte? |
| 16:28.59 | Vladinator | no |
| 16:29.10 | Vladinator | 7,56 KB (7 743 bytes) |
| 16:29.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande_ (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 16:29.42 | Vladinator | int,string,int,int |
| 16:29.46 | Vladinator | the cols for that file |
| 16:31.47 | Adys | ok.. its *just* ItemLimitCategory.dbc |
| 16:31.50 | Adys | weird |
| 16:34.06 | Adys | Vladinator: all those files are > 0 bytes |
| 16:34.17 | Vladinator | hmm, strange |
| 16:34.27 | Adys | are you counting .db2 files? |
| 16:34.29 | Vladinator | could the order of the patch files affect the outcome? |
| 16:34.32 | Vladinator | yes |
| 16:34.39 | Adys | yes it could definitely affect it |
| 16:34.53 | Adys | if you have a bad order you are corrupting the archive |
| 16:35.00 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 16:35.05 | Adys | it could corrupt a bunch of files and mpqeditor will refuse to extract them |
| 16:35.09 | Vladinator | I can tell you my order |
| 16:35.14 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 16:36.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 16:36.27 | Vladinator | http://pastebin.com/ZP1EU91j |
| 16:36.32 | Vladinator | that's the order I used |
| 16:36.40 | Vladinator | ah the root archive that is being patched is mist.mpq |
| 16:36.44 | Vladinator | misc.mpq* |
| 16:36.45 | Amarande | wtf, Charter |
| 16:37.04 | Amarande | bright, sunshiny Saturday afternoon, connection just reset itself about five times in a row and the TV and phone were just fine :P |
| 16:39.06 | Vladinator | this is weird, with map.dbc gone how do we get the map id, map name, real map name, and so forth. :P |
| 16:39.26 | Vladinator | one of my earlier map.dbc contain mop stuff so the file can't be gone |
| 16:41.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 16:41.21 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 16:42.12 | bluspacecow | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 16:42.28 | nilyaK | hey there |
| 16:42.49 | Vladinator | maybe Iriel knows something about this dbc business :p |
| 16:43.17 | Iriel | Hm? |
| 16:43.37 | Vladinator | you extracted latest dbc files, Iriel? :) |
| 16:44.16 | Iriel | Ah no, I keep myself clear of the "innards" files to avoid temptation |
| 16:44.46 | bluspacecow | temptation to fiddle , study and fix ! |
| 16:44.59 | Ressy | Anyone still seeing Blizzard_GlyphUI-1.0.lua errors? |
| 16:45.03 | Semlar | what are you looking for? |
| 16:47.14 | Semlar | vladinator: map.dbc is in the locale file |
| 16:48.03 | Vladinator | just strange the mpq editor didn't extract it too, maybe if the base file (misc.mpq) does not contain for example map.dbc the later patches that contain it are discarded, or? hmm... thinking |
| 16:48.15 | bluspacecow | locale files you mean |
| 16:48.28 | bluspacecow | locale files now have individual files in enUS by expansion |
| 16:48.47 | bluspacecow | as well as local-enUS :P |
| 16:48.55 | Vladinator | I opened misc.mpq (at it appears to be the base) and patched it using this order http://pastebin.com/ZP1EU91j |
| 16:48.55 | Semlar | i mean it's in locale-enus.mpq |
| 16:48.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 16:49.04 | Semlar | or whatever your language is |
| 16:49.14 | nilyaK | brb! |
| 16:49.22 | Vladinator | there were no errors it extracted but some files are missing :< |
| 16:49.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 16:50.08 | Vladinator | I'll wait and see what Adys cooks up, hehe ;) he is fiddling with his code atm! |
| 16:50.41 | Fisker | what is he making? |
| 16:50.48 | Vladinator | fixing his own extractor |
| 16:51.57 | Adys | its a good test run for python-mpq |
| 16:51.58 | Semlar | vladinator: map.mpq is not in misc.mpq because it's localized |
| 16:52.00 | Adys | im finding some issues with it |
| 16:52.04 | Vladinator | ye |
| 16:52.14 | Vladinator | I gotta use misc.mpq and locale-enGB.mpq as bases it seems |
| 16:52.24 | Adys | you dont need misc.mpq if you want dbcs |
| 16:52.31 | Adys | just locale-(loc).mpq |
| 16:52.54 | Alram | not all of the dbcs are in there |
| 16:52.58 | Semlar | that depends on what dbc you want |
| 16:53.12 | Semlar | because misc.mpq has files that aren't going to be in the locale file |
| 16:53.12 | Adys | they changed that in mop? |
| 16:53.15 | Alram | yep |
| 16:53.17 | Alram | GroundEffectTexture.dbc |
| 16:53.18 | Adys | about damn time |
| 16:53.20 | Alram | try to find it in the locales |
| 16:53.33 | Adys | i didnt notice because, you see |
| 16:53.35 | Semlar | there's also texture.mpq, world.mpq, interface.mpq |
| 16:53.37 | Adys | my environment is fucking badass |
| 16:53.41 | Semlar | they aren't all in one file |
| 16:53.43 | Adys | and automatically added the shit from misc.mpq |
| 16:53.58 | Semlar | but i don't think those have dbc files in them |
| 16:54.05 | Adys | so that might explain why i have fucktons more than you Vladinator |
| 16:54.07 | Vladinator | what about when misq and locale mpq contain the same dbc file? :P |
| 16:54.18 | Adys | first come first go |
| 16:54.31 | Vladinator | misc and locale have both some of the same files, wonder if they are equal :P |
| 16:54.32 | Semlar | locale is going to override it or add to it or however they're merged |
| 16:54.42 | Vladinator | aha |
| 16:54.46 | Adys | it depends on your ordering yeah |
| 16:54.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool010.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 16:54.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 16:55.03 | Vladinator | Adys, 395 files, 128 MB (134 623 817 bytes), no 0byte files |
| 16:55.05 | Vladinator | yours? |
| 16:55.15 | Vladinator | that's whole DBFilesClient folder |
| 16:55.52 | Adys | let me give you which mpqs all mine are from |
| 16:57.18 | Adys | fuck |
| 16:57.27 | Adys | i hate dealing with pointers between python and cpython |
| 16:58.55 | Vladinator | here are my arguments for mpqeditor, Adys: set A="%GAMEPATH%\wow-update-base-16016.MPQ" |
| 16:58.55 | Vladinator | set B="%GAMEPATH%\enGB\wow-update-enGB-16016.MPQ" |
| 16:58.55 | Vladinator | set C="%GAMEPATH%\wow-update-base-16048.MPQ" |
| 16:58.55 | Vladinator | set D="%GAMEPATH%\enGB\wow-update-enGB-16048.MPQ" |
| 16:58.55 | Vladinator | set E="%GAMEPATH%\wow-update-base-16057.MPQ" |
| 16:58.56 | Vladinator | set F="%GAMEPATH%\enGB\wow-update-enGB-16057.MPQ" |
| 16:58.56 | Vladinator | set G="%GAMEPATH%\..\Updates\wow-0-16057-Win-final.MPQ" |
| 16:58.57 | Vladinator | OPS |
| 16:58.57 | NeoTron | so I seem to have an ace issue - OnInitialize isn'g being called |
| 16:59.03 | Vladinator | http://pastebin.com/sHwDV7QH |
| 16:59.09 | Vladinator | wrong paste lol |
| 16:59.16 | NeoTron | it's messing up my stuff |
| 16:59.21 | Vladinator | nvm my spam earlier Adys, the url above is my order |
| 17:00.16 | Adys | Vladinator: http://dpaste.com/801398/ heres mine :P |
| 17:00.26 | Adys | my flag is everything but oldworld |
| 17:01.03 | Vladinator | I at least had the courtesy to show you an easy to read list with plain filenames :P |
| 17:01.49 | Semlar | don't bite the hand that feeds you |
| 17:01.58 | Adys | ['%(l)s/locale-%(l)s.MPQ', '%(l)s/speech-%(l)s.MPQ', '%(l)s/expansion1-speech-%(l)s.MPQ', '%(l)s/expansion2-speech-%(l)s.MPQ', '%(l)s/expansion3-speech-%(l)s.MPQ', '%(l)s/expansion4-speech-%(l)s.MPQ', 'model.MPQ', 'art.MPQ', 'texture.MPQ', 'itemtexture.MPQ', 'world.MPQ', 'world2.MPQ', 'sound.MPQ', 'interface.MPQ', 'misc.MPQ', 'base-OSX.MPQ', 'base-Win.MPQ', 'expansion1.MPQ', 'expansion2.MPQ', 'expansion3.MPQ', 'expansion4.MPQ', 'alternate.MPQ'] |
| 17:02.34 | *** part/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@68.36.135.0) |
| 17:03.08 | Vladinator | ofc |
| 17:03.27 | Vladinator | Adys, tell me the number of files (no 0 bytes), byte size of your dbc folder? :) |
| 17:03.43 | Adys | hold on, trying to figure this out |
| 17:04.47 | Adys | i have a bunch of mpq handles |
| 17:05.01 | Adys | and i don't know how to get a name for those handles |
| 17:05.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 17:05.29 | Adys | storm doesnt expose anything for that and i dont keep track of them.. so trying to find where im losing them |
| 17:05.45 | karl_w_w | Shirik: are you allowed to murder people who change a wikipedia page because they're idiots? |
| 17:05.47 | Adys | aha! |
| 17:05.48 | Adys | self._archives.append(storm.SFileOpenArchive(name, priority, flags)) |
| 17:06.01 | Shirik | yes karl_w_w |
| 17:06.17 | karl_w_w | thank god |
| 17:07.47 | Amarande | hm. removing the splitter from my cable modem just dropped the upstream transmit power from 53 dBmV to 45 |
| 17:08.02 | Amarande | after a spate of the connection resetting itself several times in a few minutes. |
| 17:08.13 | Amarande | time to make a trip to the Shack, I suspect |
| 17:08.34 | Adys | Vladinator: http://paste2.org/p/2227095 |
| 17:08.45 | Adys | which dbc is in which mpq |
| 17:09.11 | Adys | Alram: im not seeing anything outside misc.mpq and locale-.mpq |
| 17:09.30 | Vladinator | same |
| 17:09.35 | Vladinator | but are our sizes the same? :P |
| 17:09.41 | Vladinator | when the dbc are extracted, that is curious |
| 17:09.47 | Alram | Adys, ? |
| 17:09.53 | Alram | i said that that dbc was in misc but not in locale |
| 17:09.58 | Alram | not that it wasnt in either |
| 17:09.58 | Adys | Alram: i thought you mentioned some were in texture.mpq |
| 17:10.04 | Alram | <Semlar> there's also texture.mpq, world.mpq, interface.mpq |
| 17:10.07 | Alram | not me :( |
| 17:10.09 | Adys | ah |
| 17:10.20 | Adys | well Semlar get here and explain yourself this very moment |
| 17:10.39 | Adys | you made me doubt myself! |
| 17:10.39 | Semlar | <Semlar>but i don't think those have dbc files in them |
| 17:10.40 | Adys | bitch. |
| 17:10.45 | Adys | whatever |
| 17:10.47 | Adys | too little too late |
| 17:10.51 | Adys | you're on my death list |
| 17:10.54 | Semlar | i said that right after i said the other thing! |
| 17:11.02 | Adys | TOO LITTLE TOO LATE |
| 17:11.06 | Adys | Now you will die |
| 17:11.08 | Semlar | don't hate me |
| 17:11.16 | Amarande | Semlar: and don't even think Stormwind is safe, remember? :D heh |
| 17:11.29 | Semlar | stormwind is never safe |
| 17:12.22 | Adys | well |
| 17:12.29 | Adys | now extract() isnt working, and i cant figure out why |
| 17:12.40 | Amarande | well, atm, stormwind and orgrimmar are the only zones that aren't cross-realm |
| 17:12.55 | Amarande | and since most of the problems with wow atm have to do with CRZ, that's where people seem to be trying to stay |
| 17:13.20 | Semlar | i think i'll stick to orgrimmar |
| 17:13.25 | Semlar | >_> |
| 17:13.35 | Amarande | this is an interesting one: I saw a blog post where someone said that as long as they were in Stormwind when CRZ hit and STAYED in Stormwind |
| 17:13.43 | karl_w_w | is TB cross realm? i havent seen anyone else there |
| 17:13.43 | Amarande | they could even do as many random dungeons and such as they wanted without issue |
| 17:14.15 | Amarande | however, the moment they left SW on a character even once and entered a cross-realm zone, even if they returned to SW afterwards, that character would suffer unacceptable lag issues forevermore |
| 17:15.43 | Amarande | there are also reports that if you (no matter where you and the realm actually are) get routed via New York in order to connect to your realm, or to a realm you get shunted to due to CRZ, the problems multiply very significantly |
| 17:15.47 | Amarande | wonder what it is about New York |
| 17:16.06 | karl_w_w | waiting for 1.2.3.4 |
| 17:16.09 | karl_w_w | boooo |
| 17:16.29 | bluspacecow | 1.3.2.4 waaaa ? |
| 17:17.35 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande_ (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 17:18.01 | Amarande_ | yay, connection just rebooted again, even though signal is now definitely within parameters |
| 17:21.03 | Fisker | my hdd has been pretty mad at the amount of torrenting done the last week or so |
| 17:21.39 | Semlar | it may never forgive you |
| 17:22.05 | Fisker | probably not |
| 17:22.12 | Fisker | just gonna replace it with a few WD RED's then |
| 17:23.16 | Semlar | you should threaten it with that the next time it starts acting snarky |
| 17:23.56 | *** join/#wowuidev pompy (~Mike@68.36.135.0) |
| 17:24.09 | Amarande_ | heh, what kind of HDD did you get? |
| 17:24.31 | Amarande_ | my samsung TB has not been unhappy with the amount of games and applications I've been reinstalling onto it since I switched to it a couple weeks ago |
| 17:24.39 | Fisker | didn't get one |
| 17:24.44 | Fisker | i have 2 wd blacks |
| 17:24.55 | Amarande_ | well, apart from when I was dumb and tried to install Windows and let it reboot while my smartphone was hooked up |
| 17:24.58 | Amarande_ | but that was a user error :P |
| 17:25.01 | karl_w_w | arent the reds the new ones designed for NAS? |
| 17:25.09 | Fisker | yeah karl_w_w |
| 17:25.23 | Amarande_ | well that and not expecting USB devices to have that kind of effect on things, either |
| 17:25.52 | Adys | Vladinator: do me a service |
| 17:25.56 | Vladinator | yes |
| 17:25.58 | Adys | open locale-enUS.mpq |
| 17:25.59 | Amarande_ | I didn't even quite 100% realise the phone was causing issues until, after testing the hard drive after the first installation of Windows quickly went south, found the HD and controller were okay and went to test the RAM |
| 17:26.06 | Adys | try to find Interface\\Cinematics\\MOP_BR.mp3 |
| 17:26.11 | Amarande_ | and then noticed that memtest86+ would freeze on test 4, if and only if the phone was connected to USB at the time |
| 17:26.13 | Adys | and to extract it |
| 17:27.01 | Amarande_ | hm. are there any smartphones that aren't affected by the power overdraw issue? |
| 17:27.15 | zenzelezz | overdraw? |
| 17:27.24 | Semlar | power.. overwhelming! |
| 17:27.45 | Amarande_ | zenzelezz, some smartphones will try to pull too much power from the USB port, and if the motherboard isn't designed carefully to prevent this (and a lot of motherboards, even some otherwise very high quality ones, are not) |
| 17:28.01 | zenzelezz | interesting, wasn't aware of that |
| 17:28.20 | Amarande_ | it will gladly be given too much power (although otoh it only showed as drawing 500mA in Windows :S), and then you can get funky issues like memory corruption (which can in turn lead to Windows failing to boot properly because it doesn't manage to verify ntfs.sys/ntoskrnl.exe) |
| 17:28.33 | karl_w_w | <Adys> try to find Interface\\Cinematics\\MOP_BR.mp3 <- i dont have that in my locale-enUS.mpq |
| 17:28.44 | Adys | it needs to be fully patched |
| 17:28.45 | Adys | is it? |
| 17:28.57 | karl_w_w | yep |
| 17:29.21 | Adys | can any of you try to find the actual file? where it might be |
| 17:29.36 | Adys | ill give a prize to whomever finds it first |
| 17:30.08 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 17:30.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 17:30.27 | Alram | you mean the update mpq? :P |
| 17:30.38 | Alram | i remember seeing it there when it came out |
| 17:31.56 | karl_w_w | Adys: it's in speech-enUS, it extracts, it doesnt play |
| 17:32.26 | karl_w_w | mediainfo shows no streams in it |
| 17:32.28 | Vladinator | Adys: there is no MOP_BR.mp3 in my locale-enGB mpq :) |
| 17:32.32 | Adys | thanks a lot |
| 17:32.41 | Adys | you guys all gained blowjob coupons |
| 17:32.44 | pompy | Adys: its in wow-update-base-16016.mpq |
| 17:32.49 | Adys | perfect |
| 17:32.50 | Adys | love you |
| 17:33.11 | Amarande | zenzelezz, also, said issue is not a smartphone religious point, either ... apparently, iPhones are just as guilty of it as many Android devices |
| 17:33.18 | pompy | along with MOP_JADE_CRASH.mp3 |
| 17:33.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@87.239.29.49) |
| 17:33.34 | Adys | alright |
| 17:33.39 | karl_w_w | the one in update-base doesnt play either |
| 17:33.41 | Adys | gonna make some food and try figure this one out |
| 17:33.56 | karl_w_w | what is is sposedter be? :P |
| 17:33.58 | Amarande | mind you, someone might blame the motherboard manufacturers for not having sufficient amperage regulation on the USB ports |
| 17:33.59 | Amarande | but ... |
| 17:34.12 | Alram | it wont play because at the time the cinematic wasnt out yet |
| 17:34.17 | Alram | and i told you it was in the update mpq :( |
| 17:34.25 | Amarande | I'm not exactly sure how one would make sure your motherboard had that :S unless you bought maybe one of those "TUF" motherboards that cost 200 bucks + |
| 17:34.40 | pompy | sigh. |
| 17:35.06 | *** join/#wowuidev NickG365 (~NickG365@cpe-65-189-204-138.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 17:35.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi (~Neffi@pool-173-56-100-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:40.33 | F16Gaming | hm |
| 17:40.38 | F16Gaming | *launch Wow-64.exe |
| 17:40.47 | F16Gaming | it complains about dxgidebug.dll missing, but starts anyway |
| 17:41.13 | F16Gaming | no change other than uninstalling VS 2012 RC has been made |
| 17:41.17 | F16Gaming | anyone else had this? |
| 17:41.34 | pompy | negative |
| 17:42.17 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~alestane@c-24-34-18-89.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 17:42.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 17:44.50 | F16Gaming | silly wow, stop forcing yourself to the foreground :/ |
| 17:46.02 | Semlar | anyone feeling unusually generous want to help me write the zoom feature for this http://pastebin.com/xhafGVtY |
| 17:47.27 | Semlar | i've set up almost everything for it, i just can't get it to actually behave the way it should |
| 17:47.52 | Amarande | F16: are you getting the always-on-top glitch occasionally too? |
| 17:48.17 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why that happens occasionally, especially since AFAICT WoW doesn't even have an "always on top" option |
| 17:49.29 | nilyaK | you playing fullscreen? |
| 17:49.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffii (~Neffi@pool-173-56-100-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:51.10 | Semlar | i've had wow randomly set itself to always on top before |
| 17:51.21 | Semlar | in windowed mode |
| 17:51.25 | nilyaK | hmm |
| 17:51.41 | Semlar | the only thing i've found to fix it is to restart the game |
| 17:53.52 | pompy | the jumplist in vista/7 . whatever its called, blizz i think kinda added support for it, or didnt.. never really works. |
| 18:01.37 | zenzelezz | I think you're right, they definitely did or did not add support |
| 18:09.51 | foxlit | Can I easily check whether the player is currently on a particular quest, and whether that quest is currently completed (but not handed in)? |
| 18:10.31 | foxlit | GetQuestLogTitle is being annoying with expanded/collapsed headers |
| 18:14.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi (~Neffi@pool-173-56-100-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:17.30 | karl_w_w | foxlit: maybe with GetQuestLogLeaderBoard ? |
| 18:17.33 | Adys | Vladinator: ok, I tracked down the issue |
| 18:17.48 | Vladinator | :o |
| 18:17.51 | Adys | Vladinator: SFileHasFile is buggy with patch files |
| 18:17.55 | Adys | i emailed ladik |
| 18:18.24 | karl_w_w | I _think_ any quest without objectives is the sort that starts off hand-in-able |
| 18:18.26 | foxlit | karl_w_w: ties back to quest log indices, unfortunately |
| 18:19.06 | karl_w_w | hmm yeah |
| 18:19.19 | karl_w_w | i dont think there's another way |
| 18:19.35 | karl_w_w | unless there's a way to use the tracking frame |
| 18:19.48 | foxlit | it might not track everything, though |
| 18:19.48 | foxlit | yeah, I ended up walking through the list expanding everything, pushing |
| 18:20.03 | foxlit | collapsed header ids onto a stack, and then collapsing them again after I'm done. |
| 18:20.48 | karl_w_w | yuck |
| 18:23.35 | *** join/#wowuidev chrippa (~chrippa@ua-83-227-215-26.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:29.42 | karl_w_w | foxlit: you could listen to http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/QUEST_WATCH_UPDATE to get quest indexes without having to expand and collapse all the thingos |
| 18:30.13 | karl_w_w | and keep your own table of completed quests if you need to |
| 18:31.05 | foxlit | Nah, the worst case is that you log in with that quest in a collapsed quest header. |
| 18:31.29 | foxlit | and then nothing fires until you actually complete it, at which point it's useless to me |
| 18:32.03 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/SkjQrMVk << I think it worked out okay |
| 18:33.48 | karl_w_w | yeah |
| 18:42.24 | *** join/#wowuidev vhaarr (~folk@ti0013a380-dhcp1829.bb.online.no) |
| 18:42.24 | *** join/#wowuidev vhaarr (~folk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Rabbit/vhaarr) |
| 18:43.41 | Jamash | There's a workaround for the always on top issue: /console gxrestart |
| 18:45.46 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 18:45.46 | Jamash | F16Gaming, Ama|work, Semlar: ^ |
| 18:45.46 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 18:46.14 | Elkano | oh, cool... I usually just switch between windowed and windowed fullscreen |
| 18:47.06 | Jamash | it seems to happen the most when I alt-tab during a loading screen |
| 18:48.37 | nilyaK | historically restart of the graphics engine (fullscreen only) brought the window to the foreground |
| 18:48.46 | nilyaK | I am not sure if this applies |
| 18:49.47 | foxlit | heh, I managed to break the farm. There's a tangled green cabage that's refusing to untangle :/ |
| 18:50.13 | nilyaK | did you spray it with leave in conditioner? |
| 18:50.46 | foxlit | I think it's because I cast invisibility while pulling it |
| 18:50.49 | Jamash | don't you mean leaf in conditioner? |
| 18:51.53 | nilyaK | yes, yes I did. |
| 18:56.23 | Fisker | hey hey Jamash |
| 19:06.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@87.239.29.49) |
| 19:07.33 | Jamash | two heys, Fisker? I'm flattered |
| 19:14.05 | Vladinator | hehe, made a queue for wowhead, so I can write comments and queue them up for posting, javascript, with timers :P |
| 19:15.24 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151203597480605&set=a.410845525604.206586.42214640604&type=1 heh |
| 19:17.09 | *** join/#wowuidev MysticalOS (~Myst@h176.107.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 19:19.31 | *** join/#wowuidev Fargos (~abcdefg@frnk-4d00baf4.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 19:21.14 | Jamash | gr, what's tainting my glyph frame |
| 19:21.46 | Primer | everything |
| 19:22.34 | Jamash | :( |
| 19:26.05 | Vladinator | it's easier to answer; what is not taining my glyph frame |
| 19:26.33 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 19:26.34 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 19:26.38 | pompy | ... they fixed that in 5.0,5 |
| 19:26.47 | pompy | s/,5/.5/ |
| 19:27.22 | Vladinator | but not the temporary weapon enchant that has been an issue for year now and people posted the fix on the forums even, just copy paste kind of style :P |
| 19:28.43 | alestane | I believe the issue with the auras header is slated to be fixed in 5.1 |
| 19:29.27 | Vladinator | finally ;) |
| 19:29.31 | Vladinator | btw, I can't quite remember |
| 19:29.40 | Vladinator | The Halls of Stone, is it to the left or the right on the Storm Peaks map? |
| 19:29.44 | Vladinator | of Ulduar that is |
| 19:29.56 | alestane | West side. |
| 19:30.06 | Vladinator | thanks |
| 19:30.13 | Vladinator | http://www.wowhead.com/maps?data=67:379266 |
| 19:30.15 | Vladinator | that building right? |
| 19:31.32 | Jamash | pompy: then why is my glyph frame blank? |
| 19:31.35 | alestane | That's what I remember. |
| 19:37.04 | *** join/#wowuidev ccox_ (~ccox@sjfw1-a.adobe.com) |
| 19:37.04 | *** join/#wowuidev ccox_ (~ccox@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/CCox) |
| 19:37.15 | Jamash | trolls are bad at riding horses |
| 19:39.15 | pompy | "These mounts are not account-wide, so choose widely when selecting a reward!" |
| 19:39.19 | pompy | widely eh? |
| 19:40.31 | zenzelezz | it's account-wide, so it needs to be a wide choice |
| 19:41.57 | pompy | harrr. |
| 19:42.01 | pompy | ;) |
| 19:44.45 | Jamash | WIDE LOAD |
| 19:45.39 | pompy | ~wowitem 82469 |
| 19:45.39 | purl | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=82469 http://www.wowdb.com/item.aspx?id=82469 |
| 19:45.41 | pompy | whaa? |
| 19:46.07 | nevcairiel | guess someone needs to fix the wowdb link |
| 19:46.42 | pompy | doh, thats a teleport to old dalaran heh |
| 19:46.58 | durcyn | ~literal wowitem |
| 19:47.34 | pompy | ~factinfo wowitem |
| 19:47.34 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 19:47.34 | purl | there's no such factoid as wowitem, pompy |
| 19:47.47 | pompy | wait |
| 19:47.52 | Primer | sigh, testing an addon's GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE event handler sucks...can't get people to stay grouped with me |
| 19:48.56 | Adys | uh |
| 19:49.02 | Adys | whats happening to tp dalaran? |
| 19:49.16 | nevcairiel | its a port to old dalaran crater |
| 19:49.27 | Adys | sweet sexy stuff |
| 19:49.36 | Adys | i needed a port to lordaeron |
| 19:49.41 | Adys | its a good time to be a mage |
| 19:49.51 | pompy | you get it off a bookshelf in scarlet halls |
| 19:50.44 | pompy | ~factinfo wowspell |
| 19:50.44 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 19:50.44 | purl | there's no such factoid as wowspell, pompy |
| 19:51.01 | mckenziemc | hard-codes pompy. |
| 19:51.10 | pompy | rawr. |
| 19:51.14 | Primer | 2x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "Mapster" tried to call the protected function "CompactRaidFrame1:Show()". |
| 19:51.18 | Primer | Are those bogus? |
| 19:51.32 | Primer | Because I'm seeing that a lot, but it's always a different addon |
| 19:51.47 | pompy | when are those messages not bogus? ;p |
| 19:52.11 | Adys | whats happening with the theramore scenario? is it still not active? |
| 19:52.21 | pompy | sept 18 |
| 19:52.21 | Adys | ah |
| 19:52.29 | pompy | yup week b4 pandas! |
| 19:52.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (~borgleade@modemcable169.141-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:54.09 | Adys | is halion any sort of hard now? whats the minimum group amount to beat him comfortably in 10man? |
| 19:58.52 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04C629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:59.34 | Vladinator | Torhal :) |
| 20:00.07 | Torhal | Vladinator: ? |
| 20:00.18 | Vladinator | do you use the global finder? ;) it's nice. |
| 20:05.35 | Torhal | Vladinator: I haven't in a few years, but yeah - it's nice. |
| 20:05.44 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 20:08.36 | *** join/#wowuidev acethebunny (~Syntax@173-80-104-9-swby.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net) |
| 20:11.46 | Primer | 2x [ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED] AddOn "WeakAuras" tried to call the protected function "DominosActionButton14:Show()". |
| 20:11.51 | Primer | very odd |
| 20:12.29 | sintAcks | just blizzard blaming the wrong addon |
| 20:13.03 | Ressy | I'm still getting Blizzard_Glyph-1.0.lua errors when zoning to a new area - I think its cuz I don't have all my glyphs placed. |
| 20:14.33 | Mr_Rabies | i gave up trying to find the tainting in my ui and just figure i'll have to reloadui before doing anything important from now on, lol |
| 20:14.56 | foxlit | Ressy: I can't take you seriously with that -1.0.lua suffix. |
| 20:14.57 | Mr_Rabies | as soon as i zone into a CRZ "too many errors in your ui" |
| 20:15.29 | zenzelezz | do you run a lot of addons? |
| 20:16.05 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i run a ton |
| 20:16.23 | Primer | I'm still trying to achieve the following: My addon anchor its frame to unit frame on a mouseover event of the unit frame. When GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE fires, I want to know if that player, whose GUID I've stored, is now in a different unit frame, and if so, anchor it to that unit frame regardless of the unit frame addon being used |
| 20:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | according to ACP it's 157 addons |
| 20:16.50 | Mr_Rabies | (that includes some libs and stuff, though) |
| 20:16.53 | Ressy | http://www.wowace.com/paste/6241/ |
| 20:16.59 | Primer | My biggest problem is achieving this despite the the unit frame addon (or the default UI), since these can all be named differently, or apparently not at all |
| 20:17.09 | zenzelezz | I can see how it would be difficult to pinpoint taint in that |
| 20:17.31 | Fisker | hey you jnwhiteh |
| 20:17.36 | Primer | I have the GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE event handler working to where it loops using EnumerateFrames() |
| 20:17.47 | foxlit | Ressy: interesting. It's even internally inconsistent in what it wants to call that file. |
| 20:17.58 | foxlit | in function <Blizzard_GlyphUI\Blizzard_GlyphUI.lua:80> |
| 20:18.21 | Primer | I've pondered using a match like RaidFrame_whatever_buttonX and matching on groupX |
| 20:18.27 | Primer | but I'm not sure this will be consistent |
| 20:18.57 | Primer | it's consistent so far in PB4 |
| 20:19.53 | Primer | my biggest problem has been finding people to group with and have them leave/enter my group :( |
| 20:19.56 | Ressy | yeah foxlit. Its driving me batty |
| 20:20.13 | Ressy | cuz it always does it 20x. |
| 20:21.00 | Primer | crickets... |
| 20:21.18 | Ressy | Primer, I'm sorta busy working on an addon, but if you want, I can group with ya |
| 20:21.44 | Primer | Ressy: I appreciate the offer. I'll take you up on it when I'm ready |
| 20:21.53 | Primer | I'm still trying to get the logic working |
| 20:21.58 | Ressy | nod |
| 20:22.27 | Primer | I have a second account too, but my box lags a bit when running 2 instances |
| 20:22.39 | Primer | even thought I have the bg FPS set to minimum |
| 20:23.06 | Primer | because I need at least 2 other people |
| 20:23.19 | Primer | I can run it on my son's machine though |
| 20:23.25 | foxlit | Ressy: you sure it isn't some addon trying to be helpful, messing with your trace? |
| 20:24.14 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 20:24.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 20:28.58 | *** join/#wowuidev MiRai (~MiRai@unaffiliated/mirai) |
| 20:29.30 | Vladinator | hope mop brings widescreen loading screens lol ;P |
| 20:30.14 | nevcairiel | there already are wide-screen loading screens |
| 20:30.20 | nevcairiel | just not for every of the old zones |
| 20:31.47 | zenzelezz | I can see the Fox News header already... "Mists of Pandaria: Blizzard's biggest gamble flops as players realize there is no wide-screen loading graphic for Blackrock Depths" |
| 20:35.18 | Semlar | local x,y = ((ChildFrame:GetLeft()*oldScale-ScrollFrame:GetLeft()*ScrollFrame:GetScale() - adjustedX*width)*newScale/oldScale+adjustedX*width)/newScale, ((GetScreenHeight()-ChildFrame:GetTop()*oldScale-(GetScreenHeight()-ScrollFrame:GetTop()*ScrollFrame:GetScale()) - adjustedY*height)*newScale/oldScale+adjustedY*height)/newScale |
| 20:35.22 | Semlar | perfect |
| 20:35.26 | Primer | So SecureButton_GetModifiedUnit (GetMouseFocus()) returns "party1", but looping over 1 to GetNumGroupMembers(), I'm macthing on UnitGUID("group" .. i). I'm guessing those are comparable now? |
| 20:35.45 | Primer | party1 and group1? |
| 20:35.53 | nevcairiel | party and group should be the same unit ids |
| 20:36.08 | Primer | ok, good |
| 20:41.40 | Jamash | so if dude A posts a false message in chat to get other people to harass dude B by spamming dude B, what would be the appropriate way to report dude A? |
| 20:41.49 | Jamash | none of the right-click options really apply to harassment |
| 20:42.05 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 20:42.19 | Humbedooh | rtharper: happy 25th anniversary! |
| 20:42.30 | rtharper | lol |
| 20:42.32 | rtharper | thank |
| 20:42.34 | rtharper | s |
| 20:42.56 | Humbedooh | now help me go through 300k lines of c++ to find a bug ;\ |
| 20:43.16 | Maldivia | 25th anniversary... |
| 20:43.30 | Primer | gah, having a hard time wrapping my head around string.match |
| 20:43.48 | Humbedooh | Primer: oh? |
| 20:43.55 | Maldivia | rtharper: your birthday? |
| 20:43.59 | rtharper | hahaha |
| 20:44.01 | rtharper | no |
| 20:44.08 | rtharper | it's actually jnwhiteh's and my 8th anniversary |
| 20:44.09 | Fisker | hey rtharper |
| 20:44.10 | Humbedooh | yeah, he's 25....+++ ;) |
| 20:44.12 | Primer | My goal at the moment is to match this: PitBull4_Groups_PartyUnitButton2 |
| 20:44.42 | Maldivia | rtharper: ahh, congrats... and I was also going to say, that I had overestimated your age by some, if you were only 25 :) |
| 20:44.43 | Primer | (PitBull4_Groups_PartyUnitButton)\d+ |
| 20:44.47 | rtharper | ha |
| 20:44.54 | Humbedooh | Primer: %d+ :) |
| 20:44.56 | rtharper | ..how old do you think I am, then? =p |
| 20:45.06 | Primer | err, surely you see the 4 there... |
| 20:45.13 | Primer | that I _don't_ want to match |
| 20:45.33 | Humbedooh | Primer: yes yes, but you used \d :\ |
| 20:45.48 | rtharper | is not *that* much older than 25;) |
| 20:46.05 | Primer | basically I want to match on "anything_and_there_might_be_a_number_4_5_6_here_that_ends_with_a_number_42" |
| 20:46.18 | Jamash | wow claims opie tainted the ticket submit window O_o |
| 20:46.30 | Maldivia | rtharper: ok ok, "by some" does sound a bit harsh - my guess was just over 30 :) |
| 20:46.31 | Humbedooh | Primer: so string.match("(%d+)$") ? |
| 20:46.32 | Primer | and get "anything_and_there_might_be_a_number_4_5_6_here_that_ends_with_a_number_" |
| 20:46.40 | rtharper | Maldivia: 27 =p |
| 20:46.41 | Primer | Humbedooh: trying |
| 20:47.00 | Humbedooh | > string.match("something1233catch5", "(%d+)$") |
| 20:47.07 | Jamash | sounds like he wants the opposite of that Humbedooh |
| 20:47.09 | Primer | lua> "anything_and_there_might_be_a_number_4_5_6_here_that_ends_with_a_number_42".match("(%d+)$") |
| 20:47.09 | lua_bot | Primer: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"anything_and_there_might_be_a_number_4_5_6_here_that_ends_with_a_number_42"' |
| 20:47.19 | Primer | lua> "anything_and_there_might_be_a_number_4_5_6_here_that_ends_with_a_number_42".match("(%d+)$")) |
| 20:47.19 | lua_bot | Primer: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '"anything_and_there_might_be_a_number_4_5_6_here_that_ends_with_a_number_42"' |
| 20:47.24 | Humbedooh | lua> string.match("something1233catch5", "(%d+)$") |
| 20:47.25 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: 5 |
| 20:47.33 | Jamash | you need to put bare strings in ("string") in order to call methods on them |
| 20:47.41 | Vladinator | this is not python |
| 20:47.45 | Vladinator | talk about bad coding practice :P |
| 20:47.53 | Primer | lua> string.match("something1233catch5", "(%)d+$") |
| 20:47.53 | lua_bot | Primer: nil |
| 20:47.54 | Maldivia | rtharper: so around 3 years ohh... or 10% :) |
| 20:47.55 | Humbedooh | rtharper: pft, a young whippersnapper is what you are then |
| 20:48.01 | rtharper | lol |
| 20:48.05 | Primer | I don't want to match the trailing number, but the string |
| 20:48.08 | Humbedooh | feels old ;( |
| 20:48.15 | rtharper | in the blush of my youth I am |
| 20:48.26 | Humbedooh | Primer: oh |
| 20:48.47 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@chello213047049072.5.graz.surfer.at) |
| 20:48.53 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 20:48.57 | Primer | lua> string.match("something1233catch5", "(%a+)%d+$") |
| 20:48.58 | lua_bot | Primer: catch |
| 20:49.07 | Primer | lua> string.match("something1233catch5", "(%a)%d+$") |
| 20:49.08 | lua_bot | Primer: h |
| 20:49.09 | Maldivia | rtharper: don't know -- apparently I just pegged you to be around the same age as me :) |
| 20:49.13 | rtharper | haha |
| 20:49.16 | Humbedooh | lua> string.match("something1233catch5", "^(.+)%d+$") |
| 20:49.17 | lua_bot | Humbedooh: something1233catch |
| 20:49.20 | Stanzilla | Ackis: I just had to dispel for the sinestra achievement |
| 20:49.26 | Primer | Humbedooh: I love you |
| 20:49.28 | rtharper | I mean, it' snot like you did it by looks |
| 20:49.28 | durcyn | you can also privmsg the bot directly, just sayin'. |
| 20:49.29 | jnwhiteh | http://kotaku.com/5939521/square-enix-is-releasing-11-pounds-of-final-fantasy-games-no-really |
| 20:49.30 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 20:49.31 | Humbedooh | Primer: I know <3 |
| 20:49.33 | rtharper | so I can still seem youthful ;) |
| 20:50.35 | Jamash | Humbedooh: fail |
| 20:50.44 | Jamash | er, primer fail |
| 20:50.47 | Jamash | humbedooh correct |
| 20:50.50 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: that's kind of really cool :) |
| 20:50.54 | jnwhiteh | Maldivia: yeah |
| 20:50.56 | jnwhiteh | I dont have a ps2 |
| 20:51.01 | jnwhiteh | but i think its pretty awesome |
| 20:51.04 | Maldivia | jnwhiteh: except for the price |
| 20:51.07 | jnwhiteh | hehe yeah |
| 20:51.15 | Humbedooh | get Fisker to buy it for you |
| 20:51.40 | rtharper | whatever, that's o nly 2500 DK |
| 20:51.45 | Humbedooh | ;o |
| 20:51.54 | jnwhiteh | Fisker already owes me a n7 |
| 20:51.56 | rtharper | DKK* |
| 20:51.58 | jnwhiteh | true story |
| 20:52.12 | Maldivia | rtharper: 2500kr... and a PS1/2/3 |
| 20:52.17 | rtharper | heh |
| 20:52.43 | rtharper | goddamn the DKK is so much stronger than the SEK |
| 20:53.05 | rtharper | 2500 DK = 2884 SEK |
| 20:53.12 | Jamash | what moon currencies are these |
| 20:53.25 | rtharper | Jamash: various Scandinavian crowns |
| 20:53.34 | rtharper | Danish krone, Swedish krona |
| 20:53.38 | Jamash | do you still have monarchs? |
| 20:53.41 | rtharper | yep |
| 20:53.57 | Jamash | monarchs are so second milennium |
| 20:54.01 | Maldivia | rtharper: it was better a few years aog :) |
| 20:54.08 | rtharper | heh |
| 20:54.16 | rtharper | isn't the DKK pegged to the Euro? |
| 20:54.18 | Jamash | s/l/ll/ |
| 20:54.19 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 20:54.32 | Humbedooh | rtharper: it's fixed at 7,43dkk yeah |
| 20:54.43 | rtharper | bummer dude |
| 20:54.47 | Maldivia | rtharper: and before that, it was more or less fixed against the Deutche Mark |
| 20:54.48 | Humbedooh | well +/1 a percent |
| 20:54.58 | Jamash | you know there's a reason they call it a decimal point right? |
| 20:54.59 | Humbedooh | +/- even |
| 20:55.01 | rtharper | although atm I'm living on pounds, which is sad because the SEK keeps rising |
| 20:55.19 | Humbedooh | rtharper: l2getajob? :> |
| 20:55.26 | Humbedooh | I'll pay you 1 krona an hour |
| 20:55.28 | Fisker | only if you get me a n7 jnwhiteh |
| 20:55.33 | rtharper | We say komma anyway, Jamash |
| 20:55.35 | jnwhiteh | so I buy you oe |
| 20:55.38 | jnwhiteh | and you buy me one |
| 20:55.41 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ooh.. actually. |
| 20:55.45 | Jamash | l2numbers |
| 20:55.47 | jnwhiteh | rtharper is going to the US |
| 20:55.48 | jnwhiteh | sooon |
| 20:56.01 | Humbedooh | taxfree! |
| 20:56.01 | Fisker | and i'm sneezing |
| 20:56.02 | Maldivia | Jamash: in Denmark "," is the decimal-delimiter, and "." is the thousand-delimiter |
| 20:56.13 | Jamash | Maldivia: I am aware of this fact. |
| 20:56.13 | rtharper | Humbedooh: I hvae a job, a well paying one, I just don't get my first paycheck until 25 Oct =p |
| 20:56.18 | Humbedooh | pfft |
| 20:56.26 | Jamash | my point is it's _wrong_ |
| 20:56.27 | rtharper | same in Sweden |
| 20:56.35 | rtharper | you mean your comma is it's wrong? |
| 20:56.48 | Fisker | how much is the nexus 7 in the us again? |
| 20:57.03 | rtharper | $199/$249 I believe |
| 20:57.08 | Maldivia | Jamash: I know - I always write it wrong due to programing habits |
| 20:57.16 | Fisker | and you don't have to pay taxes when you get back? |
| 20:57.31 | Humbedooh | ofc you do, if they catch you.. |
| 20:57.40 | rtharper | precis |
| 20:57.52 | Jamash | rtharper: commas separate thousands, decimal points separate integer from fraction |
| 20:57.54 | Humbedooh | "oh this? I brought it with me from Sweden..!" |
| 20:57.57 | Fisker | just say you had 3 Nexus 7's with you? |
| 20:58.06 | jnwhiteh | i mean |
| 20:58.08 | rtharper | Humbedooh: problem is I actually HAVE a nexus 7, too =p |
| 20:58.09 | jnwhiteh | we just moved here with everything |
| 20:58.10 | jnwhiteh | npnp |
| 20:58.16 | Fisker | yeah but that was UK to Sweden |
| 20:58.21 | Fisker | doesn't matter there |
| 20:58.24 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 20:58.25 | Fisker | eu and shit |
| 20:58.35 | jnwhiteh | i have *never* *ever* had to declare anythign at customs |
| 20:58.50 | jnwhiteh | and i've flown to brazil, us, uk, caribbean, etc. |
| 20:58.52 | rtharper | was told he has a French accent today... |
| 20:59.21 | Maldivia | rtharper: your Swedish has a French accent, or your English? |
| 20:59.25 | rtharper | Swedish |
| 20:59.29 | Humbedooh | haha |
| 20:59.53 | rtharper | Given that a French accent is like über distinct in English |
| 20:59.55 | Fisker | did you ever mention if you had a bomb jnwhiteh ? |
| 21:00.00 | rtharper | I have no idea how you can "mistake" someone |
| 21:00.03 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 21:00.05 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: i did not and i did not |
| 21:00.12 | Fisker | then it doesn't count |
| 21:00.20 | Maldivia | rtharper: well, just be glad you don't have a Danish accent when speaking English |
| 21:00.31 | rtharper | s/English/anything |
| 21:00.34 | Humbedooh | mmm a good flat dænish accent |
| 21:00.53 | rtharper | haha |
| 21:01.00 | rtharper | I think thye're fun in English |
| 21:01.03 | rtharper | also very distinct |
| 21:01.04 | Jamash | if I wanted to get arrested I'd take a copy of battlefield earth into an airport and claim I had a bomb |
| 21:01.10 | Humbedooh | very distinct yes ;( |
| 21:01.37 | Fisker | time to doctor who though |
| 21:01.38 | rtharper | it's far from the worst accent, most Danes speak very very clear English |
| 21:01.40 | Maldivia | listening to Danes speak English with a Danish accent on TV etc, is very toe-curling |
| 21:01.41 | Fisker | ben browder is in it |
| 21:01.55 | Jamash | loads expat shield |
| 21:02.09 | Fisker | anyway rtharper when are you going to the US? |
| 21:02.24 | rtharper | I will be in the US on Tuesday and Wednesday |
| 21:02.27 | rtharper | I leave Thursday morning |
| 21:02.39 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: i'm probably not buying one |
| 21:02.43 | jnwhiteh | so he'd only be bringing one back |
| 21:02.45 | jnwhiteh | if he's willing |
| 21:02.46 | Maldivia | I've just been in the US the last two weeks, got back this afternoon :P |
| 21:02.47 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 21:02.55 | Fisker | tsk Maldivia |
| 21:02.57 | Fisker | you're even dk |
| 21:03.02 | rtharper | Maldivia: I don't know what my countrymen did, but I'm sorry |
| 21:03.04 | Jamash | Maldivia: you should have visited! |
| 21:03.16 | Fisker | i really shouldn't either jnwhiteh |
| 21:03.20 | Fisker | but i'm a sucker for Nexii? |
| 21:03.24 | jnwhiteh | i have curse money |
| 21:03.26 | jnwhiteh | but meh |
| 21:03.33 | jnwhiteh | i just had to buy a new kindle |
| 21:03.34 | jnwhiteh | =( |
| 21:03.37 | Maldivia | Jamash: I was in the Silicon Valley area - and will be back there the first 2 weeks of October :) |
| 21:03.39 | Fisker | kindle pls |
| 21:04.08 | rtharper | there really needs to be an amazon.se, btw |
| 21:04.17 | Maldivia | rtharper: they were (mostly) nice and friendly :) |
| 21:04.22 | rtharper | oh good |
| 21:04.39 | rtharper | we tend to be a bit dumb |
| 21:04.40 | Humbedooh | only has a conference in Sinsheim to go to this year ;| so boring |
| 21:05.00 | rtharper | will be flying for 32 hours to spend 38 hours in the US |
| 21:05.03 | jnwhiteh | I'm supposed to go to Øredev this year |
| 21:05.09 | jnwhiteh | but that's like.. in a month and a half |
| 21:05.12 | Fisker | should save up for my surface pro anyway jnwhiteh |
| 21:05.13 | jnwhiteh | I'm supposed to be speaking |
| 21:05.14 | Fisker | bam |
| 21:05.18 | jnwhiteh | but I think that's not gonna happen |
| 21:05.21 | Fisker | or perhaps that lenovo idea pad |
| 21:05.25 | Fisker | but that's expensive as fuck |
| 21:05.32 | jnwhiteh | ideapad is shit |
| 21:05.38 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: I'm maybe supposed to be perhaps speaking...three different talks I know nothing about ;\ |
| 21:05.40 | Fisker | how so ? |
| 21:05.42 | jnwhiteh | i mean, not true |
| 21:05.45 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: do mine on Lua |
| 21:05.49 | jnwhiteh | I never registered |
| 21:05.55 | jnwhiteh | I had other priorities, despite beign asked |
| 21:05.57 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: I'm doing a Lua talk in fact..! |
| 21:06.01 | jnwhiteh | Haha |
| 21:06.08 | Humbedooh | well, perhaps I am...trying to avoid |
| 21:06.16 | Maldivia | rtharper: I was in SV in June, the last two weeks, and will be there the first two weeks of October, and November... way way way too much time wasted sitting in a plane! |
| 21:06.24 | rtharper | indeed |
| 21:06.29 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: they offered to pay for hotel and trip |
| 21:06.30 | rtharper | make them fly to you, imo |
| 21:06.33 | rtharper | Copenhagen is much better |
| 21:06.34 | jnwhiteh | would have flown me from the UK |
| 21:06.35 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 21:07.01 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: I gots it all free too, but the thing is...I'm not the one who's supposed to be speaking :p |
| 21:07.01 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04C629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:07.05 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: is it worth my trying to sort it all out? |
| 21:07.12 | jnwhiteh | I've never been |
| 21:07.20 | rtharper | it looks like an awful lot of Java-wank |
| 21:07.52 | Maldivia | rtharper: well, for the next trip (in October), I'll be speaking at JavaOne, so don't really think flying everone to Copenhagen will work :) |
| 21:07.53 | Humbedooh | oh, the Java...I will be avoiding Java so much |
| 21:08.11 | Humbedooh | but how does one avoid Java when Apache is involved...near impossible :( |
| 21:08.26 | jnwhiteh | Humbedooh: I just won't be doing any Lua at my job.. and I'v ebeen so focused on Go for the past three years, and I'ms till rather buried in my thesis |
| 21:08.30 | jnwhiteh | i'd go to hizzang out with you |
| 21:08.31 | nilyaK | I have Java so I can use netbeans and libreoffice, but not in the browser. |
| 21:08.41 | jnwhiteh | but i suspect i've run out of time |
| 21:08.41 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 21:08.54 | Primer | hrmm, I guess I presumed too much when I tried UnitGUID("group1") |
| 21:09.08 | Maldivia | Primer: try party1 instead of group1 |
| 21:09.23 | Primer | In the past I had to specify "party1" or "raid1" but that varied when I was in a party or group |
| 21:09.33 | Primer | but then I had to detect that via some crappy code |
| 21:09.49 | Primer | GetNum(Raid|Party)Members...which is now GetNumGroupMembers |
| 21:09.58 | Primer | So will party1 match when in a raid? |
| 21:10.13 | Maldivia | Primer: UnitInRaid("player") |
| 21:10.21 | Primer | sigh |
| 21:10.30 | Primer | Why can't they just standardize this? |
| 21:10.36 | Humbedooh | because |
| 21:10.36 | durcyn | GetNumGroupMembers returns five in a full party, try IsInRaid() and GetNumGroupMembers() or GetNumSubgroupMembers() |
| 21:11.22 | Maldivia | oh, there's an IsInRaid :) |
| 21:11.37 | Maldivia | been too long since I've played with raid related stuff |
| 21:11.41 | Primer | doh, I can't convert it to raid since one of my test players in level 1 |
| 21:12.11 | Maldivia | queue for BG or LFR :) |
| 21:12.31 | Primer | local prefix = IsInRaid() and "raid" or "party" |
| 21:12.44 | Primer | if current_unit_guid == UnitGUID (prefix .. i) then |
| 21:12.46 | Primer | viable? |
| 21:12.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@96-42-240-206.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 21:13.10 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb (~oscarucb@63.250.88.54) |
| 21:14.48 | Maldivia | Primer: is current_unit_guid something stored from previous, or something you got in the same method - if the latter, there's UnitIsUnit(unitA, unitB) |
| 21:15.06 | Maldivia | but otherwise, should work |
| 21:15.13 | Primer | cool |
| 21:16.26 | Maldivia | ohh wait |
| 21:16.46 | Maldivia | ohh, nevermind |
| 21:23.52 | Primer | ok, so what I want to do isn't going to work |
| 21:24.57 | Primer | because party1 is PitBull4_Groups_PartyUnitButton2 |
| 21:25.04 | Primer | since the frame with me is PitBull4_Groups_PartyUnitButton1 |
| 21:25.34 | Primer | just seems there is no good way to do this |
| 21:26.06 | Primer | hrmm |
| 21:26.12 | Primer | I'm going about this wrong |
| 21:28.38 | Vladinator | fyi while on flight path you can't queue for battlegrounds ;) |
| 21:29.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Klrth (~Kalroth@d40aa5af.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 21:29.43 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit_ (~foxlit@188.177.103.242) |
| 21:30.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande_ (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 21:30.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou_ (~Caribou@110.103-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:30.07 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit_ (~foxlit@188.177.103.242) |
| 21:30.18 | Maldivia | Primer: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:30.38 | Maldivia | Primer: and considered just using GetAttribute to get the unit from the unit button ? |
| 21:30.48 | Primer | I'm still trying to achieve the following: My addon anchor its frame to unit frame on a mouseover event of the unit frame. When GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE fires, I want to know if that player, whose GUID I've stored, is now in a different unit frame, and if so, anchor it to that unit frame regardless of the unit frame addon being used |
| 21:30.54 | *** join/#wowuidev [1]Archarodim (HydraIRC@lev92-4-88-164-134-95.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:30.55 | Primer | <repeat> |
| 21:31.05 | Primer | yeah, I realized I can get the GUID from the frame |
| 21:31.23 | Primer | I just need to match of the unit frame prefix |
| 21:32.13 | Primer | the goal being to match the current unit frame addon (or default ui) |
| 21:32.15 | Primer | for the GUID |
| 21:33.15 | Maldivia | looked at the secure raid group unit template (can't remember the corect name), you might be able to get a list of all unit frames from that, instead of searching globals by name? |
| 21:35.31 | Maldivia | can't remember how exposed the "internal" list of frames is |
| 21:38.29 | Maldivia | if I remember correctly, they are stored on the raidheader frame as attributes named "child#" |
| 21:39.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Sixen (~Sixen@173-25-23-124.client.mchsi.com) |
| 21:40.59 | Primer | yay! it works! |
| 21:41.06 | Humbedooh | \o/ |
| 21:41.42 | Primer | So now I have to test with other raid frame addons |
| 21:41.51 | Primer | to make sure this whole "prefix" concept works |
| 21:44.17 | Maldivia | Primer: you could try something like to avoid having to detect prefix (so unitframes without a name also works): p = currentAnchorFrame:GetParent(); for i = 1, 40 do if current_guid == UnitGUID(p:GetAttribute("child" .. i):GetAttribute("unit")) then ReAnchorTo(p:GetAttribute("child"..i)) end end |
| 21:45.09 | Maldivia | (ofcourse instead of 1..40, stop when GetAttribute("child"..i) return nil) |
| 21:45.36 | Primer | trying to parse that... |
| 21:47.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:48.11 | Primer | that's effectively what I'm doing already. The point about the unit frame "prefix" is if someone's running multiple unit frames. I want my addon to anchor to the unit frame addon that's being used |
| 21:48.25 | Primer | and I don't see that distinguishing between different unit frame addons |
| 21:48.43 | Primer | as in PB vs. default UI |
| 21:48.56 | Maldivia | Primer: that's what the GetParent() call is for, to get the SecureGroupHeader that created the unit frame your frame is currently anchored to |
| 21:49.07 | Primer | ahhh |
| 21:49.08 | Primer | nice |
| 21:50.19 | Vladinator | http://vlacula.no-ip.com/radio_misc_media_00619.mp3 :D |
| 21:50.55 | zenzelezz | suspicious MP3 link is suspicious |
| 21:51.06 | Vladinator | it's a radio segment from sr3 ;P |
| 21:51.09 | Vladinator | its funny |
| 21:51.13 | zenzelezz | sr3? |
| 21:51.20 | Vladinator | saints row 3 |
| 21:51.23 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 21:52.45 | Vladinator | could upload to some file host online but rather just temp host on my own machine :P |
| 21:53.05 | Maldivia | Vladinator: that's what dropbox public folder is for :P |
| 21:53.21 | Vladinator | how is it safer to host on dropbox public folder versus my own machine? ;P |
| 21:53.48 | Vladinator | besides, it's me! :( |
| 21:53.49 | zenzelezz | does it need to be safe? |
| 21:53.52 | Vladinator | I never link viruses |
| 21:53.59 | Vladinator | well you said suspicious link :P |
| 21:54.16 | Vladinator | :P |
| 21:54.44 | Maldivia | Vladinator: well, dropbox = you don't waste your bandwidth, when someone pastes the link elsewhere |
| 21:54.54 | Vladinator | ye ofc |
| 21:54.59 | Vladinator | but I got no bandwidth limits :p |
| 21:55.09 | Vladinator | and I doubt someone will hotlink from here ;D |
| 21:55.30 | Vladinator | it's safe, trust me, and funny :p |
| 21:55.33 | Vladinator | and short |
| 21:55.34 | Maldivia | also, in case your webserver has a remote exploit .) |
| 21:55.47 | Vladinator | oh? :O |
| 21:55.52 | Vladinator | do tell |
| 21:56.06 | zenzelezz | Vladinator: you know I wasn't being serious, right? :) |
| 21:56.14 | Vladinator | I am easy to fool :P |
| 21:58.06 | Vladinator | but really Maldivia tell me :P |
| 21:58.08 | *** join/#wowuidev dano5 (nahh@205.79-161-232.customer.lyse.net) |
| 21:58.09 | Vladinator | don't cocktease me |
| 21:59.53 | Vladinator | :( |
| 22:00.03 | Maldivia | Vladinator: there could be remote exploits in the apache or php version you're using, don't know if there is |
| 22:00.49 | Vladinator | ofc |
| 22:00.58 | Primer | Maldivia: working so far |
| 22:00.59 | Primer | thanks |
| 22:01.36 | mckenziemc | Vladinator: purl hotlinks |
| 22:01.38 | mckenziemc | ~logs |
| 22:01.39 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 22:01.42 | mckenziemc | :p |
| 22:01.46 | Vladinator | ofc |
| 22:01.50 | Vladinator | but I delete the file soon ;p |
| 22:01.54 | Vladinator | if you really wanna |
| 22:02.37 | Primer | doh, it didn't work for the default UI |
| 22:02.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Tinyboom (nahh@205.79-161-232.customer.lyse.net) |
| 22:05.37 | onyxfox | Anyone know what event fires when you put a bag in a character's bag slot? |
| 22:05.40 | Vladinator | I found the fake ad funny ;p |
| 22:06.55 | durcyn | onyxfox: generic BAG_UPDATE iirc |
| 22:07.18 | Vladinator | if Torhal was here he'd surely give me a /thumbsup or a /nicefind : |
| 22:07.20 | Vladinator | :( |
| 22:07.28 | onyxfox | Thanks, durcyn, I'll give that one a shot. Wasn't sure if it was a specific thing that referenced that alone. |
| 22:07.51 | mckenziemc | Vladinator: Torhal isn't into that kind of fetish |
| 22:08.01 | Vladinator | :P |
| 22:08.06 | Torhal | Vladinator: I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 22:08.09 | Vladinator | lol |
| 22:08.21 | Vladinator | I linked something a while ago, at 23:50:05 |
| 22:08.37 | Torhal | Too bad I'm at 17:08 |
| 22:08.51 | Torhal | Oh, MP3 |
| 22:09.24 | Fisker | hey Torhal |
| 22:09.26 | Fisker | not so hey mckenziemc |
| 22:09.36 | Torhal | Vladinator: Erm, ok. Stopped listening after like 20 seconds. |
| 22:09.44 | Torhal | Fisker: You should anti-hey mckenziemc |
| 22:09.51 | *** join/#wowuidev cogwheel (~cogwheel@WoWUIDev/WoWProgramming/morlando/cogwheel) |
| 22:09.54 | Fisker | anti-hey mckenziemc |
| 22:09.56 | Fisker | hey cogwheel |
| 22:09.59 | Vladinator | lol :p |
| 22:10.02 | Torhal | hey Fisker |
| 22:10.10 | Vladinator | you know gta or saints row right? |
| 22:10.16 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 22:10.18 | Torhal | Heard of 'em never played. |
| 22:10.30 | mckenziemc | anti-lifes Torhal. |
| 22:10.34 | Vladinator | basically nothing is serious :P |
| 22:10.45 | Torhal | Too bad you're of no consequence, mckenziemc. |
| 22:12.18 | Vladinator | give him some slack mckenziemc, Torhal probably finds other stuff funny, like Abot and Costello is more his alley of new hipster fun! |
| 22:13.12 | Vladinator | s/b/bb/ |
| 22:13.22 | Vladinator | oh |
| 22:13.26 | Torhal | Actually, I just code. |
| 22:13.30 | Primer | Maldivia: p:GetAttribute ("child" .. i) returns nil for the default UI |
| 22:13.30 | Torhal | And slay mckenziemc. |
| 22:13.39 | Vladinator | what do you do for fun, Torhal? :) |
| 22:13.51 | mckenziemc | try to* |
| 22:13.52 | Torhal | I'm working on three AddOns at the moment. |
| 22:13.58 | Vladinator | tell me |
| 22:14.10 | mckenziemc | Vladinator: i'm just teasing Torhal; i didn't even check the file |
| 22:14.23 | Vladinator | :P |
| 22:14.35 | Primer | Maldivia: but works fine for PB |
| 22:14.38 | Torhal | Unfortunately, though, I keep getting fucking pinged in IRC so I lose concentration. Life is awesome. |
| 22:14.48 | mckenziemc | get back to work Torhal |
| 22:14.59 | Vladinator | what addons do you work with, Torhal? |
| 22:15.32 | mckenziemc | ackis's addons :p |
| 22:15.34 | zenzelezz | you could disable warnings in your client |
| 22:15.41 | mckenziemc | arl, collectinator |
| 22:15.54 | Torhal | zenzelezz: Yes, but it usually isn't this damn obnoxious. |
| 22:15.59 | Torhal | Vladinator: http://www.wowace.com/profiles/Torhal/addons/ |
| 22:16.16 | Vladinator | witch one of those? :D |
| 22:16.34 | Torhal | …all of them? That's my project list. |
| 22:16.37 | Vladinator | lol |
| 22:16.44 | Vladinator | you work on all addons RIGHT NOW at once? |
| 22:16.51 | Torhal | I said three. |
| 22:17.01 | Torhal | Collectinator 2.0, Ackis Recipe List, and Broker_HitCrit |
| 22:17.06 | Torhal | Now, I return to code. |
| 22:17.25 | Vladinator | Ackis :D |
| 22:17.44 | mckenziemc | i got two of three, what do i win? |
| 22:18.53 | Vladinator | I think Torhal works on WoWDB profiler atm |
| 22:19.09 | Torhal | ... |
| 22:20.07 | Vladinator | :( |
| 22:20.15 | Vladinator | sorry I won't mention your name anymore lol |
| 22:20.19 | Vladinator | I'll say T0rhal or something |
| 22:20.28 | zenzelezz | or just stop talking about him |
| 22:20.36 | Vladinator | but I can't |
| 22:21.41 | *** join/#wowuidev earl_parvisjam (6012f6d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.18.246.209) |
| 22:22.52 | *** join/#wowuidev earl_parvisjam (6012f6d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.18.246.209) |
| 22:23.21 | Stanzilla | just stop talking at all |
| 22:24.20 | pompy | nou Stanzilla |
| 22:28.08 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: lol |
| 22:46.13 | *** join/#wowuidev ccox_ (~ccox@c-98-248-30-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:46.13 | *** join/#wowuidev ccox_ (~ccox@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/CCox) |
| 22:49.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Kemayo (~kemayo@97-88-168-90.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 22:51.00 | *** join/#wowuidev User632 (~U632@pool-173-51-205-208.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 22:55.29 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: how do you gather the candy at hallow's end? |
| 22:55.46 | Stanzilla | I don't. already have that achievement |
| 22:57.17 | Vladinator | how did you do them? :P |
| 22:58.01 | Stanzilla | I think I ran around and clicked pumpkins |
| 22:58.10 | Vladinator | :D |
| 22:58.10 | Stanzilla | one in every inn or so |
| 22:58.22 | Stanzilla | and before that, you had to go into an inn every hour and click |
| 22:58.32 | Vladinator | maybe they add new stuff for this years events? |
| 22:58.34 | Vladinator | new vendor items |
| 23:23.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (~tuller@c-76-21-187-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 23:36.00 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/cd.png << pondering whether the cooldown spiral is a good idea |
| 23:36.49 | Corrodias2 | i never liked to have visual indicators right in the middle of my screen like that |
| 23:37.17 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 23:39.18 | foxlit | That's not really the point; it's not like it's going to be there any fraction of the time |
| 23:40.11 | Mr_Rabies | i have mine set to center on the mouse |
| 23:42.09 | Mr_Rabies | guh is there any way whatsoever to hide the "you learned a new spell/talent, time for a janky animation" thing built into the default ui now? |
| 23:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | because it goes to a part of my ui where my bars aren't, and is a total waste of everything |
| 23:44.20 | foxlit | File a ticket against your bar addon |
| 23:44.34 | foxlit | Clearly its job to suppress that silliness :) |
| 23:48.52 | Mr_Rabies | what's the name of that...action/animation |
| 23:48.54 | Mr_Rabies | whatever |
| 23:50.15 | pompy | http://www.thinkwithportals.com/blog.php?id=8447 haha nice |
| 23:55.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys_ (~adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
