| 00:06.15 | Arrowmaster | heh this months xbox rewards survey was all about sports so i had to go down the page on every question answering "I dont watch this" |
| 00:06.33 | Arrowmaster | because they didnt include the one sport i regularly watch, F1 |
| 00:08.23 | Semlar | amarande: was the box around the coldridge valley starting area |
| 00:08.44 | Semlar | or new tinkertown |
| 00:11.15 | Amarande | it was a little bit north of Kharanos, not sure what that place is exactly |
| 00:12.35 | Semlar | interesting |
| 00:12.51 | Semlar | there's not really anything there but ironforge |
| 00:13.16 | Semlar | between gnomeregan and kharanos is tinkertown which has its own little map |
| 00:14.00 | kd3 | all of the racial starting areas have their own map |
| 00:14.18 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/User:Kaydeethree/MoP_maps#Starting_areas |
| 00:14.40 | kd3 | and heh. I've got the essence of wintergrasp buff but the horde controls it |
| 00:14.42 | kd3 | yay CRZ |
| 00:15.38 | Amarande | yeah, it's roughly between new tinkertown and ironforge, apparently |
| 00:15.47 | Dark_Elf | ever notice how the gnomes can do dwarf quest but dwarf and other races cant do gnome quests lol wonder if that has something to do with the issue? |
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| 00:24.04 | Sintacks | did the servers die or is it just me |
| 00:24.51 | kd3 | I can't log back in |
| 00:25.36 | Sintacks | nor can i. all realms are red, but don't say they are offline |
| 00:27.14 | Dark_Elf | i like how 5.0.5 says they made the rogue stealth better, well its not, i still got attacked by a priest and paladin and was no where near them |
| 00:28.08 | Sintacks | lol |
| 00:28.13 | Sintacks | they say it's better all the time |
| 00:28.16 | Sintacks | we still get fucked |
| 00:28.30 | cogwheel | hmmm... 'git chuckout' isn't a valid command |
| 00:28.38 | Sintacks | and lol @ mages who take greater invis. it's like vanish pre-can't be knocked out for 3 seconds |
| 00:28.40 | kd3 | it should be |
| 00:30.17 | Kraps | would a jailbroken iphone still have cell service? |
| 00:31.37 | kd3 | http://evilrouters.net/achievement-unlocked/ |
| 00:31.44 | kd3 | has done too many of these |
| 00:31.56 | Sintacks | If you have an active cell phone service, yes |
| 00:32.00 | Dagmar | Kraps: Sure. |
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| 00:38.25 | karl_w_w | http://www.food.com/recipe/ice-cubes-420398 marginally funny recipe. the reviews? hilarious |
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| 00:39.32 | starlon | Realms down? |
| 00:39.53 | Mr_Rabies | zomg anonymous!1 |
| 00:40.20 | starlon | hacks Mr_Rabies' kitchen appliances. |
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| 00:43.26 | starlon | A good lawyer knows the law; a great lawyer knows the judge. |
| 00:44.13 | Sintacks | lol |
| 00:44.30 | Dagmar | An awesome lawyer knows the judge's mistress. |
| 00:44.59 | Dark_Elf | interesting they going to do rolling restarts again tommorrow and right now the servers are disconnecting |
| 00:46.00 | Dark_Elf | idea for blizzard how bout do the rolling restarts after u fix this mess |
| 00:47.43 | Mr_Rabies | they may have had to do emergency restarts due to a major bug or somethin |
| 00:47.44 | Mr_Rabies | g |
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| 00:51.01 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6571787195 |
| 00:51.33 | kd3 | also, it looks like the launcher's patching up to the new build now |
| 00:52.04 | Dark_Elf | new build? |
| 00:52.25 | kd3 | 16057 |
| 00:53.00 | kd3 | patch up and you can log in |
| 00:53.26 | karl_w_w | yeah red realms = your version doesn't meet the requirementd |
| 00:53.34 | karl_w_w | learnt that the other day |
| 00:54.48 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, emergency maintenance then |
| 00:54.51 | Mr_Rabies | probably something huge |
| 00:56.38 | karl_w_w | maybe it's that one SM achievement which doesn't require heroic :P |
| 00:56.49 | kd3 | emails out, btw |
| 01:00.03 | karl_w_w | well I don't have it :P |
| 01:00.59 | kd3 | that problem can be easily rectified... |
| 01:04.46 | karl_w_w | now i do |
| 01:04.50 | karl_w_w | oh joy |
| 01:05.22 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 01:11.45 | pompy | kd3: beta? |
| 01:11.52 | kd3 | live |
| 01:12.26 | pompy | 6.3mb |
| 01:12.30 | kd3 | yah |
| 01:12.42 | pompy | thurs night, interesting |
| 01:13.24 | karl_w_w | bit slow on the uptake, ey pompy? :P |
| 01:14.01 | pompy | hm? |
| 01:14.22 | pompy | "Patch 5.0.5 Build 16057 is headed our way at some point in the near future. It contains no significant changes, making it likely just bugfixes and changes that couldn't be hotfixed. " .. meh. prolly going to still contain annoying bugs :P |
| 01:18.44 | Stanzilla | eu is not patching yet |
| 01:18.48 | Mr_Rabies | impossible for it to not have some annoying bugs with something as complex as wow |
| 01:23.31 | Shirik | no |
| 01:23.32 | Shirik | no no no |
| 01:23.34 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies |
| 01:23.43 | Shirik | that is not how software works |
| 01:24.13 | Shirik | there are things FAR more complicated than WoW that have no to few noticable bugs |
| 01:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | wat |
| 01:24.33 | Shirik | the difference is that they don't use the "throw 1000 monkeys at it and see if it breaks" software process |
| 01:24.34 | kd3 | hopefully, flight control software |
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| 01:25.09 | Mr_Rabies | there are certainly bugs in flight control software, but that's why there are pilots handy, if they're needed |
| 01:25.31 | Shirik | headdesks |
| 01:25.35 | pompy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esj5juUzhpU&feature=youtu.be idk if this real or not... but damnnn. |
| 01:25.55 | Shirik | ok first off, the newest commercial aircraft actually override the PILOTS, not the other way around |
| 01:26.07 | Shirik | secondly, unmanned aircraft don't really have that luxury |
| 01:26.14 | kd3 | thinks back to AF447 and sighs |
| 01:26.19 | Shirik | ^ |
| 01:26.26 | Mr_Rabies | unmanned aircraft crash fairly often :O |
| 01:26.27 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 01:26.32 | Mr_Rabies | more than they probably should |
| 01:26.42 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not entirely due to software bugs |
| 01:26.52 | Shirik | I doubt many if any of those were software bugs |
| 01:27.01 | Mr_Rabies | but military secrets like that aren't exactly open to the public |
| 01:27.03 | nilyaK | is flight control software written in Ada? I know the air force uses it. |
| 01:27.23 | Shirik | Some of the older stuff is written in Ada; the aerospace industry seems to be moving away from it |
| 01:27.26 | Shirik | mostly C++ now |
| 01:27.48 | Shirik | there was a time when it was all Ada |
| 01:27.57 | nilyaK | *nods* |
| 01:28.04 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's like india, to an extent though |
| 01:28.23 | Mr_Rabies | wow gets tested at a level that very little other software is capable of |
| 01:28.39 | Shirik | what do you mean by that? |
| 01:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | just like india has so many dang people that mutations seem eerily common |
| 01:28.55 | Mr_Rabies | birth defects, etc |
| 01:29.05 | nilyaK | hotfixes today? I am seeing a download :O |
| 01:29.11 | Mr_Rabies | people are always like "why are all the three armed people born in india" etc |
| 01:29.27 | kd3 | pollution controls. wru? |
| 01:29.32 | Mr_Rabies | they're not, but india's population is so massive that it seems that way |
| 01:29.32 | nilyaK | because india is 1/5th of the world? |
| 01:29.41 | Mr_Rabies | exactly, nilyaK |
| 01:29.46 | Mr_Rabies | WoW's similar |
| 01:30.14 | Mr_Rabies | bugs pop up really quickly when you have likely trillions of lines of code being tested every second in various ways |
| 01:30.33 | kd3 | strongly doubt trillions, let alone billions |
| 01:30.43 | Mr_Rabies | i don't mean unique lines of code |
| 01:31.09 | karl_w_w | then why did u say it? :P |
| 01:31.14 | nilyaK | he didn't |
| 01:31.19 | nilyaK | you have 10 million people playing wow |
| 01:31.29 | karl_w_w | trillions of lines of code |
| 01:31.56 | Shirik | honestly |
| 01:32.25 | Shirik | I don't think WoW is all that complicated |
| 01:32.43 | karl_w_w | its not |
| 01:32.57 | kd3 | it's just duct tape and bailing wire |
| 01:32.57 | karl_w_w | the client is more complicated than the server |
| 01:33.06 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno about that, karl_w_w |
| 01:33.18 | Mr_Rabies | there's so much that happens serverside |
| 01:33.38 | karl_w_w | considering the ease with which people emulate the server and script their own bosses and events and such? sure |
| 01:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | that's why i can't understand why peope play on private servers, there's so damned much that's missing |
| 01:34.06 | Shirik | There's a difference between content and complexity |
| 01:34.19 | Mr_Rabies | i tried one of the most advanced ones a few years back and it was night and day in what was missing |
| 01:34.22 | Shirik | I can provide a web server and have it serve 2 billion pages and it's still just a webserver |
| 01:35.07 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: it clearly wasnt a very advanced one then |
| 01:35.13 | Mr_Rabies | without all the server-side scripts, the game's pretty dead |
| 01:35.16 | nilyaK | dat bandwidth. |
| 01:35.20 | Mr_Rabies | well, it was during tbc |
| 01:35.26 | karl_w_w | things that are missing is just simple scripts that havent been written |
| 01:35.52 | Mr_Rabies | i doubt they've emulated the bosses perfectly with their janky reverse-engineering |
| 01:36.16 | karl_w_w | you don't reverse engineer bosses, you script them |
| 01:36.53 | karl_w_w | of course you can't emulate them perfectly, you can't see blizzard's server-side scripts, that doesn't mean you can't script something different just as good |
| 01:37.36 | karl_w_w | i've seen a private server run by a few people in their spare time with the bosses scripted almost like retail and additional custom made raids |
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| 01:38.58 | Mr_Rabies | there's a reason anything from blizard takes forever to come out, and it ain't art assets |
| 01:39.05 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard* |
| 01:39.35 | nilyaK | I would think they'd be quick to release things |
| 01:39.36 | karl_w_w | it's because they run a game that tries to do everything |
| 01:39.42 | nilyaK | here's my reasoning |
| 01:40.30 | nilyaK | err slow I suppose |
| 01:40.39 | nilyaK | that is why this makes sense sorry |
| 01:40.56 | nilyaK | time dilation because the game is so massive like an extremely large black hole |
| 01:41.04 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 01:41.07 | nilyaK | >_> god I suck at spelling, afk drinking |
| 01:41.33 | Semlar | that'll help |
| 01:41.49 | nilyaK | once I finish I' |
| 01:41.55 | nilyaK | ll think it helped okay! |
| 01:42.00 | karl_w_w | well the reason is, they have to update everything all at once otherwise people will bitch about it (see patch 4.1) |
| 01:42.36 | karl_w_w | and anything they change they have to think about how it's going to effect every other aspect of the game |
| 01:44.51 | karl_w_w | the reason they keep saying they're trying to release things faster but it never comes to fruition is they keep adding features which are subject to the above 2 considerations |
| 01:45.26 | karl_w_w | like arena, LFD, LFR, now scenarios and challenge modes |
| 01:46.26 | karl_w_w | next it'll be proving grounds |
| 01:55.59 | Amarande | what went wrong with 4.1? (I wasn't playing WoW around then) |
| 01:56.31 | Amarande | was it people complaining because a X.1 patch came out without the new raid that everyone has come to expect every time the second number changes? :P |
| 01:56.33 | karl_w_w | there was no new raid |
| 01:57.08 | Amarande | heh, some people are spoiled, aren't they |
| 02:01.56 | Mr_Rabies | literally every change to any blizzard game will have a complaint thread on the forums |
| 02:02.04 | Mr_Rabies | no matter how small or helpful |
| 02:02.50 | Mr_Rabies | they could add in a feature that added a button for them to airdrop pizza to your house for free once a month and people would complain they used the wrong color parachute |
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| 02:03.59 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies: that's blizzard's fault though |
| 02:04.13 | Torhal | karl_w_w: You should make a thread. |
| 02:04.23 | karl_w_w | their fall-back excuse is always "there's only so much we can do" |
| 02:05.20 | karl_w_w | therefore every feature that somebody doesn't like is seen as a bad thing, even if they aren't forced to use it in any way, because it represents time that could have been spent on something they'd like |
| 02:06.24 | Arrowmaster | i finally excaped from drunk neighbor wanting to look at the stars and talk about god |
| 02:06.49 | Semlar | sorry to keep you |
| 02:09.45 | nilyaK | Arrowmaster, want to look at the stars and talk about how god is dead? |
| 02:10.07 | Arrowmaster | i cant see many stars from here |
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| 02:13.26 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: no, it would be some obscure spec complaining "there's no pizza for <stat>? :(" |
| 02:14.38 | alestane | What I always love is the helpful new UI modifications that inspire a flood of "How do I get rid of this?" |
| 02:15.27 | pompy | did they fix the tt for the cooking recipe from the guild vendor yet!? |
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| 02:19.33 | Arrowmaster | this is so cool http://ch00ftech.com/2012/09/10/china-is-awesome/ |
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| 02:47.53 | kd3 | well, unless I get the pants from end time, I think I've maxed out my wow character before cata hits |
| 02:47.58 | kd3 | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/medivh/Kaydeethree/advanced |
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| 02:52.57 | Semlar | trinket? |
| 02:54.13 | kd3 | oh, heh. I still have that trinket? bleh, need a trinket too |
| 02:55.59 | Semlar | the armory seems to think i have a 413 average equipped item level |
| 02:56.21 | Semlar | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/emerald-dream/Slowest/advanced |
| 02:56.55 | Semlar | i don't think that's true |
| 02:57.00 | kd3 | oh, the armory isn't handling pre-5.0 profiles properly. log in and out once |
| 02:57.09 | Semlar | can't my account isn't even active |
| 02:57.29 | Semlar | i think i like it better this way |
| 02:59.03 | pompy | kd3: before cata hits, eh? ;) |
| 02:59.13 | kd3 | >.> |
| 02:59.26 | Semlar | he meant hits the trail |
| 02:59.48 | Semlar | ..yeah, that holds together |
| 03:00.49 | pompy | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nathrezim/Pompalicious/simple meh, havent messed with the char in a long time. |
| 03:01.28 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/muradin/Bluspacecow/simple |
| 03:01.32 | bluspacecow | my gear r just as bad |
| 03:01.34 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 03:01.51 | Semlar | there there |
| 03:03.29 | Amarande | hmm, apparently the goblin starting experience has issues now too, not just the worgen |
| 03:03.48 | Amarande | and apparently a major factor is the same thing that's a problem with Gilneas City |
| 03:04.04 | Amarande | exactly why did low level (not sure what the highest level it affects) mobs get their HP doubled for 5.0 anyway? |
| 03:04.19 | Semlar | inflate all the numbers! |
| 03:05.35 | Amarande | For worgen it's not that we have any trouble surviving but that that good old bugaboo of the 15 minute time limit gets us; for goblins, it's the quest with the mechashark suddenly getting much more cruelly hard because the mechashark's capabilities stayed the same while the battle became twice as long |
| 03:06.23 | Amarande | You know, one even almost wonders if they kind of forgot about worgen and goblins with this patch :S |
| 03:06.51 | Semlar | what are those, like pandas? |
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| 03:07.15 | Amarande | Semlar: Well, possibly someone figured "well, if that quest isn't working you can always do a different one" except of course those two races have a fixed, relatively lengthy starting experience that you have no choice about |
| 03:07.40 | Amarande | (well, you do have a slight choice, but it's "play a death knight and do the DK starting experience instead" heh) |
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| 03:30.43 | Amarande | mckenziemc, about that Gilneas thing. |
| 03:30.56 | Amarande | Did you use cat form at any time during the failed attempts, and did you use it at any time the time you succeeded? |
| 03:31.11 | Amarande | There's apparently something highly wrong with feral atm, so I'm wondering if the use of cat form is at all related |
| 03:31.51 | Amarande | and come to think of it it seems quite a lot of the worgen who can't get out of Gilneas are druids ... |
| 03:31.54 | alestane | I sort of wonder if cross-realm zones and the heavy use of phasing are interacting. |
| 03:32.11 | Amarande | alestane: there is a definite issue with feral druids, at any rate, and a fairly nasty one |
| 03:32.33 | Amarande | with a few paladin exceptions, it seems like basically all the people reporting e.g. being insta-hearthed every time they ding in a dungeon are druids |
| 03:32.41 | Amarande | and, moreover, it is looking more and more like all the affected ones are feral |
| 03:33.00 | Amarande | husband-and-wife teams for instance where they do everything together on their druids, one is balance, one is feral, only the feral gets affected |
| 03:34.08 | kd3 | hah. I've got enough spellpower that my inferno blasts are fairly consistently critting for 12,345 |
| 03:34.27 | Amarande | alestane: at any rate it seems that the CRZ are causing a veritable smorgasbord of glitches |
| 03:35.12 | Amarande | but that not all the glitches are tied to that (for instance, goblins having trouble with the mechashark quest in their starting experience, is directly related to the fact that the boss you have to fight with the vehicle now has double HP) |
| 03:35.27 | Amarande | hm. |
| 03:35.37 | Ressy | so go report it. |
| 03:35.39 | Amarande | actually come to think of it, regarding Gilneas, there's a couple places where you man vehicle-based objects. |
| 03:36.02 | Amarande | Ressy: the ones I'm talking about have already been reported, most of what I'm looking at is directly from the bug report board |
| 03:36.36 | Amarande | those of you who've leveled a worgen before: is it normal for instance to use up both catapults on the Gorerot fight and still have several thousand HP to go before he goes down? |
| 03:36.59 | bluspacecow | @kd3 epic. |
| 03:37.01 | bluspacecow | also |
| 03:37.02 | bluspacecow | work tiems |
| 03:37.03 | alestane | That doesn't sound normal to me. |
| 03:37.04 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 03:37.39 | Amarande | alestane: yeah, that lends more credence to how I reported it was probably all about the double HP |
| 03:37.59 | Amarande | essentially you're fighting 2x the enemy that you used to, but with the same time limit ... no wonder. |
| 03:38.25 | Ackis | if you're a wrestling fan, or know anything about wrestling, here's a video of HHH breaking character for a really good and excellent reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Js29nezwmU |
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| 03:40.17 | Neffi | I propose that wrestling is the most realistic sport |
| 03:40.22 | Neffi | On the basis that everyone is fake |
| 03:42.33 | Semlar | PREPOSTEROUS PREPOSITION |
| 03:42.59 | Neffi | Does anyone know what the extra args on CHAT_MSG_SKILL are (past the chat message)? |
| 03:43.27 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_SKILL |
| 03:43.38 | pompy | !api chat_msg_skill |
| 03:43.40 | Semlar | boring stuff |
| 03:43.41 | pompy | yeah that |
| 03:43.48 | mckenziemc | Amarande: i didn't use feral forms at all either attempt |
| 03:43.54 | pompy | jnwhiteh: !!! lua_bot |
| 03:43.55 | mckenziemc | brb will read the wall later |
| 03:44.09 | pompy | (9/13/2012 9:17:29 AM) lua_bot left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 248 seconds). |
| 03:44.17 | Semlar | more like luasleep |
| 03:44.38 | mckenziemc | actually no i think i did use both caster spells and cat form both times |
| 03:44.52 | mckenziemc | because i was having mana issues (since i'd forgotten to actually pick a spec) |
| 03:45.24 | Amarande | yeah, I was just wondering if cat form has anything to do with it since cat form has been related to other bugs since patch |
| 03:45.42 | Amarande | I guess the quip would be that currently cat druids have a bad case of fleas :P |
| 03:46.03 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 03:46.23 | Amarande | mckenziemc, do you remember having to use up both catapults on Gorerot and still have a substantial wait before he died? |
| 03:46.35 | Amarande | and do you remember that being the case with previous worgen (if you played any)? |
| 03:48.32 | starlon | http://evilrouters.net/achievement-unlocked/ |
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| 03:58.31 | Neffi | lol I think a GM just killed me |
| 03:58.44 | karl_w_w | no that was me |
| 03:58.49 | Neffi | Killed mid-jump off a small hill with no incoming damage reported and nobody in sight |
| 03:58.54 | Neffi | One clean hit |
| 04:02.40 | mckenziemc | Amarande: i got gorerot down both times before losing a 2nd catapult |
| 04:02.52 | mckenziemc | but i specifically aim at his feet to make sure they hit |
| 04:03.11 | Corrodias2 | a production database with no foreign keys is common in veterinary software. usually it's at least something that can be read by a common ODBC driver. if you're unlucky, it's a homebrew storage system or something completely fucking arcane. |
| 04:03.59 | mckenziemc | and i don't really recall having issues with previous worgen but don't remember how long ago i started specifically targetting his feet |
| 04:04.29 | xyphoid | i once deployed a production site using an access database |
| 04:04.40 | kd3 | ick |
| 04:04.45 | kd3 | burn it with fire |
| 04:05.06 | Amarande | Neffi: what did the combat log say? |
| 04:05.12 | Corrodias2 | i love getting an access database. at least you can open/read it, and they -probably- used sane data types |
| 04:05.19 | xyphoid | i think i've paid for that sin by now |
| 04:05.21 | Neffi | Amarande: COMBAT_LOG_EVENT did not fire |
| 04:05.46 | karl_w_w | what about unfiltered? :P |
| 04:05.53 | xyphoid | is ten years of web dev since then sufficient punishment |
| 04:07.00 | Corrodias2 | i think i'd call that enough to pay for at least two murders |
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| 04:10.32 | xyphoid | wait, do i get to save up the murders |
| 04:10.35 | xyphoid | that would be handy |
| 04:11.08 | Corrodias2 | i'm a little surprised you haven't used them already in that line of work |
| 04:12.53 | Neffi | Ugh. It's an unwritten rule that pets in WoW will always be as annoying as they possibly can be, esp w.r.t screen angle and where they choose to stand |
| 04:13.24 | Torhal | http://www.lolbrary.com/lolpics/874/circle-jerk-diagram-2874.jpg#.png |
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| 04:15.16 | mckenziemc | Torhal: are you saying you're all three? |
| 04:15.36 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Now you're just fail-trolling. |
| 04:15.50 | mckenziemc | oh ok |
| 04:41.22 | starlon | why is it that sometimes I see other people's transmogs, but sometimes I don't? |
| 04:41.38 | starlon | I mean I see it in the item tooltip sometimes, but other times not. |
| 04:42.01 | starlon | orders Torhal to fix the mess. |
| 04:43.00 | Torhal | orders starlon to work strictly in Scheme. |
| 04:43.30 | starlon | personal foul |
| 04:46.58 | znf | Is there a way to "track" a FoS you don't have? |
| 04:47.54 | bluworkcow | There's a fan update to sexy cool down on wow interface for som reason |
| 04:48.04 | bluworkcow | Don't see the need for it |
| 04:48.25 | bluworkcow | One I updated with off wowace works fine for me |
| 04:48.26 | Stanzilla | sexycooldown is broken as shit |
| 04:48.28 | Stanzilla | the problem is |
| 04:48.32 | Stanzilla | it's ARR |
| 04:48.37 | Stanzilla | and I guess the fan update is illegal |
| 04:49.51 | bluworkcow | Would the wow interface check in team flag it as plagiarism ? |
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| 04:53.41 | Stanzilla | maybe |
| 04:54.24 | bluworkcow | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.38 | karl_w_w | znf: AddTrackedAchievement(id) |
| 04:54.46 | znf | karl_w_w, thanks |
| 04:56.21 | znf | oh, apparently you can't track FoS |
| 04:57.04 | karl_w_w | really? that's new |
| 04:57.15 | karl_w_w | you could track the insane before 5.0.4 |
| 05:03.02 | starlon | kicks wowhead. |
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| 05:27.23 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 05:27.25 | Fisker | i'm sick |
| 05:28.46 | bluworkcow | Lol |
| 05:30.16 | bluworkcow | Oh rly |
| 05:30.17 | Fisker | why are you mad bluworkcow ? |
| 05:30.36 | bluworkcow | Muffins |
| 05:30.47 | bluworkcow | I don't has them |
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| 05:33.32 | starlon | Fisker: itsy bitsy spider crawled up the water spout! Down came the rain and washed the spider out! |
| 05:34.14 | starlon | an applause would be nice. |
| 05:38.48 | Fisker | nope Stanzilla |
| 05:38.50 | Fisker | damnit |
| 05:38.53 | Fisker | nope starlon |
| 05:40.55 | starlon | :( |
| 05:42.32 | karl_w_w | Fisker why is peanut butter so good? |
| 05:45.20 | starlon | So last week I got Rag's legendary hammer. This week I got half of thunderfury. |
| 05:45.34 | starlon | Shoulda played the lottery. |
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| 06:06.16 | znf | Is there any way to check an acheivement's progress without tracking it and without being able to see it in the UI? |
| 06:06.22 | znf | actually a FoS |
| 06:07.28 | karl_w_w | yes, by looking at it and working out how progressed you are :P |
| 06:08.26 | znf | that's not helpful :D |
| 06:09.02 | karl_w_w | what's the achievement? |
| 06:09.45 | znf | http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=5365 |
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| 06:24.01 | Neffi | This makes me feel terrible. Is there any other way to do this? |
| 06:24.02 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/BHxTrmB6 |
| 06:24.15 | Neffi | AFAIK there is no way to tell Lua's match to "repeat 'target'" |
| 06:24.53 | Neffi | Obviously the last if is broken, but I'm asking about having to loop |
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| 06:40.30 | Maldivia | Neffi: considered just doing a replace all? |
| 06:40.42 | Neffi | Elaborate? |
| 06:41.33 | Maldivia | base = unit:sub("target","") |
| 06:41.50 | Maldivia | gsub |
| 06:42.32 | Neffi | fails on targettarget, but I think I could work with that |
| 06:43.10 | Maldivia | the 2nd return value from gsub has the number of substitutes |
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| 06:46.56 | Maldivia | but yeah, checking if base is empty (=target*), or if base is a valid non-target unit (and unit starts with it) should work, right |
| 06:48.43 | zenzio | my phone needs a "mark as unread" option for SMS messages :-| |
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| 07:02.37 | starlon | does glyph of collosus smash generate additional threat? |
| 07:02.45 | starlon | It applies sunder armor. |
| 07:03.42 | starlon | Cause I keep pulling aggro. |
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| 07:07.56 | starlon | *colossus |
| 07:09.10 | znf | karl_w_w, /dump GetAchievementCriteriaInfo(5365, 1) |
| 07:09.11 | znf | ^^ |
| 07:10.04 | karl_w_w | hot |
| 07:13.14 | Neffi | starlon: Considering Sunder Armor generates high threat, I'm gonna say yes |
| 07:13.26 | Neffi | (At least last I checked) |
| 07:13.37 | karl_w_w | why not just test it |
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| 07:13.48 | karl_w_w | there are api calls for threat |
| 07:15.02 | starlon | hmm |
| 07:15.33 | karl_w_w | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitDetailedThreatSituation |
| 07:17.29 | Neffi | And threat meters if you're not Lua-inclined |
| 07:17.39 | Neffi | And wowhead.com if somebody already figured this out |
| 07:18.06 | karl_w_w | if you're not Lua-inclined I don't know why you'd be here :P |
| 07:21.17 | znf | I'm not lua inclined |
| 07:21.51 | zenzio | wowhead comments don't seem to mention threat; I'd test it yourself to see |
| 07:22.05 | Neffi | It applies Sunder Armor? |
| 07:22.17 | Neffi | Unless Sunder Armor changed recently, yet it will cause threat |
| 07:22.28 | Neffi | Not to mention override the tank's Sunder Armor / Faerie Fire |
| 07:22.42 | Neffi | I know tanking changed in MoP, but I don't think this mechanic did. Double check patch notes to see. |
| 07:22.43 | zenzio | it applies the sunder armor effect, but it doesn't state whether it does so with or without threat |
| 07:22.58 | Neffi | Does the debuff say Sunder Armor? |
| 07:23.15 | karl_w_w | no it's called weakened armor |
| 07:23.23 | karl_w_w | all armor debuffs are called that now |
| 07:23.39 | Neffi | If you're pulling threat, I would avoid doing it for now until enough testing has been done |
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| 07:24.57 | karl_w_w | there would be no reason for colossus smash to add threat, tanks dont use it |
| 07:25.28 | Neffi | If a spell being useless was rational for it not existing... well I don't think I need to go on |
| 07:25.34 | Neffi | Just look back at the last 7 years of WoW |
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| 07:26.39 | karl_w_w | point is, there's nothing firm to base any conclusion on |
| 07:26.44 | karl_w_w | so you have to test it |
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| 07:27.22 | karl_w_w | and i am so happy that it's friday |
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| 08:07.27 | karl_w_w | i bought my ssd a year and a month ago tomorrow, smart reports power on hours as 375d 7h. considering it took about a week to be delivered I think that's pretty impressive, if true |
| 08:07.55 | karl_w_w | Power Cycle Count 246 |
| 08:08.09 | karl_w_w | that seem high |
| 08:08.31 | nevcairiel | 246 reboots in a year? dunno, seems normal |
| 08:09.08 | karl_w_w | well it might, but considering I've apparently had very nearly 24/7 uptime |
| 08:09.10 | zenzio | only 375 out of ~390 days? You're not trying hard enough |
| 08:10.06 | karl_w_w | i mean most of the time i only ever restarted once a month for windows updates |
| 08:16.57 | Neffi | What is the common convention for dispel colors? |
| 08:17.12 | Neffi | Eg poison is probably usually colored green. What about magic, disease and curse? |
| 08:18.24 | karl_w_w | disease is a browny colour |
| 08:18.35 | karl_w_w | curse is violet |
| 08:18.39 | Neffi | Got a screenshot with some popular addon showing the colors? |
| 08:18.42 | karl_w_w | magic is light blue |
| 08:18.46 | Neffi | I don't want mine to be "surprising" |
| 08:18.49 | karl_w_w | im sure they must be in constants or something like that |
| 08:19.07 | Neffi | Oh I didnt know the default UI added this |
| 08:20.41 | karl_w_w | physics is a dark red as well :P |
| 08:20.52 | karl_w_w | physical* |
| 08:21.41 | Neffi | I imagine I'll asign red to enrage |
| 08:23.18 | karl_w_w | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/live/FrameXML/BuffFrame.lua |
| 08:23.20 | karl_w_w | at the top |
| 08:23.27 | starlon | I'm not having much luck testing this colossus smash business. |
| 08:31.31 | karl_w_w | make macro: /run print(select(5,UnitDetailedThreatSituation("player","target"))) |
| 08:31.50 | karl_w_w | find mob, hit mob with colossus smash only, press macro |
| 08:32.13 | karl_w_w | run away, remove/place colossus smash glyph, repeat step 2 |
| 08:34.30 | starlon | well actually I stuck it on my tooltip, but just a raw value doesn't help. I need to know more about threat generation. |
| 08:35.08 | karl_w_w | you use an ability, it applies threat, after some time it decays :D |
| 08:35.45 | karl_w_w | i dont know if threat still decays actually |
| 08:38.47 | starlon | well this macro is working better than the combat log handler. |
| 08:54.40 | starlon | damnit, my auto swing keeps messing this up. :/ I don't think it's generating anymore threat though. |
| 08:55.14 | starlon | the glyph I mean. not the auto swing |
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| 09:17.46 | karl_w_w | I love grub |
| 09:18.05 | karl_w_w | Especially the way it'll boot iso images on a usb drive |
| 09:19.20 | karl_w_w | and now to put it into action |
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| 09:25.27 | bluipodcow | Hmmmmmm |
| 09:28.28 | mckenziemc | no |
| 09:30.34 | bluipodcow | U no fun |
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| 09:31.09 | mckenziemc | welcome back karl_w_w |
| 09:32.39 | karl_w_w | thank you mckenziemc, it was tough out there |
| 09:32.59 | mckenziemc | did you remember to wear a helmet? |
| 09:33.25 | karl_w_w | no |
| 09:33.36 | Humbedooh | you disappoint us, karl_w_w |
| 09:34.53 | karl_w_w | should i back up my HDD before updating the firmware or should I be a cowboy? |
| 09:36.21 | bluipodcow | Lol |
| 09:37.17 | mckenziemc | back it up : / |
| 09:37.29 | karl_w_w | what if i dont wanna |
| 09:37.56 | mckenziemc | volumes are not fun to lose : / |
| 09:37.56 | karl_w_w | its like a million giggle bites it'll take ages |
| 09:39.09 | mckenziemc | almost lost a volume once after trying to shove a 2nd hard drive into the same cage, making it buck and break a component on the first drive. |
| 09:39.47 | mckenziemc | i got the contents off later though after using a rubber band and eraser to hold the piece against the PCB o.o |
| 09:40.39 | karl_w_w | yeah but im not hopelessly uncoordinated, or doing anything in hardware :P |
| 09:41.04 | mckenziemc | (i tried buying an identical hard drive and switching the boards first; they changed the circuitry in between) |
| 09:41.12 | mckenziemc | it wasn't uncoordination |
| 09:41.29 | mckenziemc | the cage was too tight around the 2nd hard drive slot |
| 09:42.27 | karl_w_w | yeah yeah |
| 09:42.44 | karl_w_w | blame the apparatus that was designed for holding hard drives |
| 09:42.57 | mckenziemc | i wonder if i took a picture of the hard drive + rubber band |
| 09:43.03 | mckenziemc | anyway work tiem |
| 09:43.24 | karl_w_w | pure fear that was, look at him run |
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| 10:52.44 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 10:53.44 | nilyaK | ror |
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| 11:35.47 | randomDude | parley ? |
| 11:35.58 | onyxfox | BuyMerchantItem() used to buy 5 food/water at a time (as they come in 5-stacks minimum), but now when I call it, it somehow purchases individual items instead of 5-count stacks. Did this change at some point, or am I going crazy? |
| 11:44.49 | Stanzilla | http://i.imgur.com/uYAjd.jpg swag |
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| 12:02.26 | Fisker | i'm done Stanzilla |
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| 12:19.30 | zenzio | my Android, which somehow stopped accepting push notifications for e-mail a few months ago, suddenly started working again after a reboot during charging. I cannot work out why, since I had already tried rebooting previously |
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| 12:51.07 | Vladinator | :( |
| 12:53.09 | Vladinator | where is the dbc extraction team when you need them :p |
| 12:54.22 | Lopeppeppy | Taking tea and crumpets with the queen mum |
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| 13:00.11 | zenzio | happy Friday, peppy |
| 13:00.47 | aggixx | If I want to create a frame after another frame is created that I don't have control of, how do I go about detecting when that frame is created? I'm guessing OnUpdate is probably not the most efficient method. |
| 13:01.05 | Lopeppeppy | Happy friday, zenzio. May your weekend be full of kibbles and joy. |
| 13:01.31 | nevcairiel | aggixx: figure out which function creates that frame, and hook it |
| 13:04.08 | aggixx | nevcairiel: Thanks. |
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| 13:04.55 | alestane | http://www.gogetaroomie.com/index.php?id=328, Peppy. |
| 13:05.21 | alestane | (Other strips on that site NSFW, but that link is fine.) |
| 13:07.25 | Lopeppeppy | Rum goes with everything. |
| 13:08.53 | Kraps | In our eternal quest to promote build diversity; we’ll be making changes to defensive skills across the board while simultaneously reducing incoming damage. The net result is a survivability buff for players, and an increase in build options as defensive abilities become less “mandatory.” |
| 13:08.58 | Kraps | ^ D3 |
| 13:09.22 | Kraps | Similar to the “Players 8” command in Diablo II, the Monster Power system is designed to give players more control over how challenging enemies are in each difficulty |
| 13:09.28 | Kraps | huh? |
| 13:10.30 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: are you sure? I was out of Coke one night and nearly tried Morgan in hot chocolate, but decided not to |
| 13:10.56 | Lopeppeppy | Depends on which Morgans it is, zenzio. The white will be fine with chocolate, the spiced might be... odd. |
| 13:11.11 | zenzio | black label all the way |
| 13:12.01 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.14 | bluspacecow | really hot redhead. not afraid of getting kinky |
| 13:12.37 | bluspacecow | also Players 8 ? sounds like Chaos Engine. |
| 13:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | Keep a bottle of red gatorade around, that also works in a pinch. |
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| 13:13.25 | zenzio | I don't know if we have Gatorade over here |
| 13:13.25 | mikma | bluspacecow: increasing difficult at singleplayer |
| 13:13.40 | bluspacecow | PLAYER SAFE! |
| 13:13.51 | bluspacecow | PLAYERS 8 |
| 13:13.55 | bluspacecow | see how similar ? |
| 13:14.04 | bluspacecow | of course with you and TNT is anyone safe ? |
| 13:14.07 | bluspacecow | who knows :P |
| 13:15.02 | zenzio | "player seight"? |
| 13:15.08 | Kraps | these shoulders are the worst :/ http://gyazo.com/96ecdce51e54f4dd15e1abe32e1689df.png?1347628041 |
| 13:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. A light grape juice works too. |
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| 13:19.10 | alestane | Those shoulders look like you'd be too preoccupied with the possibility of getting your ear caught in the works to tank properly. |
| 13:21.05 | zenzio | wear a helmet, problem solved |
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| 13:33.03 | mikma | bluspacecow: i'm a safe worker with tnt now |
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| 13:33.15 | bluspacecow | i know |
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| 13:33.55 | bluspacecow | just teasing you dear :) |
| 13:34.11 | bluspacecow | your probably safer with TNT then handing it to me :P |
| 13:34.44 | mikma | you should see us at the rocks |
| 13:34.57 | mikma | throwing the tnt/dynamite/plastic around to each other like they would be balls |
| 13:35.19 | zenzio | http://programmers.stackexchange.com/a/164852/19572 |
| 13:35.22 | mikma | you would be safe with it, unless you would decide to eat it |
| 13:35.34 | bluspacecow | BALLS |
| 13:35.41 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 13:36.00 | mikma | testicle and penises |
| 13:36.21 | mckenziemc | only one testicle? |
| 13:36.37 | bluspacecow | its a special testicle |
| 13:36.37 | mikma | and two penis' |
| 13:36.46 | bluspacecow | the size of 10 men! |
| 13:37.00 | mikma | you can use it to sit around |
| 13:37.05 | mikma | it acts luke a big boy |
| 13:37.07 | mikma | like* |
| 13:37.20 | aggixx | Is it possible to hook a function outside of the lua file using HookScript()? |
| 13:40.54 | alestane | Is the function currently set as the frame's script outside the file, or the function that you're trying to hook onto the script? |
| 13:41.29 | mikma | http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/43538149/1/364023450/ <- do'h. i hate it that everyone plays as engineer in the new expansion |
| 13:43.05 | aggixx | Not sure I understand, but I'm trying to hook a function in a different addon, the frame I'm hooking is unrelated to the function. |
| 13:53.15 | aggixx | Ah, I misunderstand what HookScript was used for. |
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| 13:59.13 | alestane | You can hook any function regardless of source, as long as it's exported in some way, in a global or as a key in a table that the source makes visible. |
| 14:03.53 | aggixx | Yeah, I see that now. I was thinking of the function backwards. |
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| 14:12.20 | alestane | "The two APIs are not interchangeable and trying to use them together only results in frustration and sadness." |
| 14:13.23 | Vladinator | HookScript appends your function on the last |
| 14:13.35 | Vladinator | I rarely use HookScript except when I really know what will happen :p |
| 14:13.50 | bluspacecow | frustration leads to sadness |
| 14:14.00 | bluspacecow | sadness leads to anger |
| 14:14.05 | bluspacecow | anger leads to hate |
| 14:14.11 | bluspacecow | hate leads to ….. the dark side |
| 14:14.17 | Vladinator | wasn't it anger to misery? |
| 14:14.31 | bluspacecow | i dunno lol |
| 14:15.50 | randomDude | i think it actually leads to road rage |
| 14:16.02 | bluspacecow | DONUTS |
| 14:16.05 | bluspacecow | it leads to donuts |
| 14:16.18 | randomDude | oh ok |
| 14:19.12 | Vladinator | I take it http://www.wowhead.com/spell=85247 is no longer used? |
| 14:19.53 | Vladinator | nvm :p |
| 14:19.55 | Vladinator | setbonus hehe |
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| 14:42.14 | pompy | http://blackmesasource.com/ 5 minutes!!!! |
| 14:44.47 | onyxfox | Does anyone else have gear comparison tooltips that show funky numbers like "this item will give you +3782874 Strength"? Happens even in default UI for me, so I'm confused. |
| 14:45.59 | haste | I'm sure their page breaks in 1 minute pompy |
| 14:46.28 | pompy | lol |
| 14:46.30 | pompy | probably |
| 14:46.34 | pompy | dld server overload |
| 14:47.09 | Humbedooh | 403 Forbidden :D |
| 14:47.14 | haste | 403! :D |
| 14:47.16 | pompy | hahah yeah |
| 14:47.16 | g0urra | lol 403 |
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| 14:47.49 | haste | This website is offline |
| 14:48.27 | pompy | "website is currently unreachable" lol |
| 14:48.33 | pompy | damn, well work calls! |
| 14:48.52 | bluspacecow | http://release.blackmesasource.com/ |
| 14:49.05 | haste | black. |
| 14:49.21 | bluspacecow | i got it to briefly display 0 0 0 0 |
| 14:49.59 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/sDaZKgdt << it bothers me that this causes the cursor to flicker. |
| 14:50.11 | foxlit | even while the mouse is stationary |
| 14:53.18 | foxlit | It's almost as if there's something that wakes up every so often, goes "heeeeey, that cursor is wrong!" changes it, and then goes back to sleep for a few frames. |
| 14:56.35 | bluspacecow | heeeyyyy pretty lady |
| 14:56.40 | bluspacecow | thanks foxlit |
| 14:56.55 | bluspacecow | i now have frames dancing the oppa gundam style dance in my head now |
| 14:59.40 | Amarande | onyxfox: blizz forums already have a bug report about the compare screen going wonky like that |
| 15:04.36 | Unkle | Station or something. |
| 15:05.38 | aggixx | Is it possible to make a frame that only shows on mouseover clickthrough? frame:EnableMouse() breaks the scripts for hide/show |
| 15:06.13 | alestane | So in Java, given that I have a local variable "short point" and a method call that takes a short, am I really obliged to cast the result of adding one to my local back into a short? i.e. Method((short) (point + 1)) |
| 15:06.16 | foxlit | you want to do what to what? |
| 15:06.28 | Vladinator | aggixx: you wants a frame only to respond to clicks when the mouse is over it? |
| 15:06.40 | Vladinator | or in general that you need to click it with your mouse for it to do its magic? |
| 15:06.56 | aggixx | I want the frame to show onEnter, hide onLeave, but also be clickthrough |
| 15:07.15 | aggixx | clickthrough all of the time |
| 15:07.27 | Vladinator | that isn't doable with one frame since when it's hidden it can't detect the next OnEnter :P |
| 15:07.48 | Vladinator | you'd need a frame to be invisible and purely do the detection OnEnter and OnLeave |
| 15:08.04 | Vladinator | and trigger the Show/Hide appropriately on the other frame for it |
| 15:08.20 | alestane | I believe there is these days a characteristic you can add to frames so that they propagate input events. |
| 15:08.35 | aggixx | Sorry, I explained wrong. I have that invisible frame that shows and hides the target from on enter/leave |
| 15:08.40 | foxlit | alestane: I think that's keyboard only |
| 15:08.59 | foxlit | or at least its name is: SetPropagateKeyboardInput |
| 15:08.59 | Vladinator | ok |
| 15:09.00 | aggixx | but the problem is that I set the strata higher than the main from so that it can detect the onEnter/Leave correctly, it's intercepting clicks to the target frame |
| 15:09.22 | Vladinator | ah |
| 15:09.23 | Vladinator | simple fix |
| 15:10.58 | foxlit | aggixx: you could poll frame:IsMouseOver() on a timer. |
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| 15:11.04 | Vladinator | OnEnter disable mouse interactivity with the invisible frame, so you can click, and make it so the frame you clicked has a OnLeave script to re-register the mouse on the invisible frame |
| 15:12.36 | Vladinator | both frames have OnEnter and OnLeave, along with OnShow and OnHide scripts you can use |
| 15:12.49 | aggixx | I've tried just hooking onEnter and onLeave to the target frame instead of having to use an invisible one, but the problem is that the frame isn't "shaped" in a way that makes sense to the user. |
| 15:13.08 | aggixx | if I hook onLeave on the target frame then it triggers when I don't want it to |
| 15:13.21 | Vladinator | what is the purpose of this btw? |
| 15:13.49 | aggixx | I'm trying to make MinimapButtonFrame only show on mouseover. |
| 15:13.53 | Vladinator | ok |
| 15:14.38 | Vladinator | so you have a minimap button and when you hover it the frame with your other stuff pops up, so you wish to be able to click things inside the popup and when you leave it should hide |
| 15:15.18 | aggixx | MinimapButtonFrame is an addon that pulls all of your buttons off the minimap into a seperate frame |
| 15:15.41 | Vladinator | you don't need to many scripts, consider this, when you exit the minimap button, or the popup frame, OnLeave, register a OnUpdate script to count to 3 or something and hide the popup automatically |
| 15:17.13 | Vladinator | not sure if I explained myself properly |
| 15:18.31 | Vladinator | minimap button: (1) OnLeave starts OnUpdate timer (2) OnEnter stops OnUpdate timer (3) OnUpdate timer counts to 3 seconds and automatically closes the popup |
| 15:19.04 | Vladinator | the popup frame: (1) OnLeave starts OnUpdate timer (2) OnEnter stops OnUpdate timer (3) OnUpdate does the same as the above one :P |
| 15:19.25 | Vladinator | in other words, you have 3 seconds or something to enter your popup once you leave the minimap button or the popup frame, then it auto hides |
| 15:20.06 | Vladinator | you just have to make sure that it does not OnUpdate to auto hide as long you are on the minimap button or popup frame ;) |
| 15:20.21 | Vladinator | that's why OnEnter and OnLeave helps with settings and unsetting the OnUpdate script and resetting it's counter |
| 15:20.28 | Vladinator | its* |
| 15:20.54 | aggixx | I understand what you're saying, but you don't understand what I meant =P |
| 15:21.05 | aggixx | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/minimap-button-frame |
| 15:22.11 | aggixx | I can hook into the addon's main frame and set onEnter and onLeave, but if I leave the addon's frame by entering an icon it hides, so that's why I was trying to use an invisible frame. |
| 15:22.44 | Vladinator | aaah |
| 15:22.46 | Vladinator | but |
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| 15:24.25 | Vladinator | :IsMouseOver ? |
| 15:25.08 | Vladinator | frame:IsMouseOver(0, 0, 0, 0) it's true as long you are inside the frame |
| 15:25.31 | aggixx | So that will return true even if there's another frame between the elements and the cursor? |
| 15:25.39 | Vladinator | it should do that yes |
| 15:25.56 | Vladinator | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Region/IsMouseOver |
| 15:26.02 | Vladinator | give it a try, I haven't used it myself :P |
| 15:26.37 | aggixx | 15 minutes earlier... foxlit gives the solution. |
| 15:27.29 | Vladinator | I know |
| 15:27.41 | Vladinator | I didn't know what you were dealing with first |
| 15:27.46 | Stanzilla | Vladinator noob |
| 15:28.10 | Vladinator | that makes no sense, Stanzilla :P |
| 15:28.24 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 15:28.25 | Stanzilla | np |
| 15:28.52 | Vladinator | think about it, noob comes from newbie and means an inexperienced newcomer, and it makes no sense in this case to use it :P |
| 15:29.30 | Vladinator | I just had a different image in my head of the problem, until I got more to work with :P |
| 15:30.29 | Ressy | ooh... MMBR.. I used to use that addon. :) |
| 15:30.36 | aggixx | It's alright, I appreciate the help regardless :D |
| 15:30.43 | Vladinator | what's MMBR? |
| 15:30.51 | Vladinator | ah nvm |
| 15:30.55 | Vladinator | short name :P |
| 15:31.08 | bluspacecow | mmmm brrrrr |
| 15:31.14 | bluspacecow | sounds like a hansen song |
| 15:31.16 | bluspacecow | mmm bop! |
| 15:31.31 | Ressy | only you would think about a crappy guy group bluspacecow. |
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| 15:31.38 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 15:31.43 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 15:31.47 | bluspacecow | they were guys ? |
| 15:32.23 | Amarande | bluspacecow, yes, and so was that blood elf "lady" you were talking to last night :D |
| 15:32.48 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 15:32.50 | bluspacecow | ^_^ |
| 15:32.55 | bluspacecow | he he ! swings either way! |
| 15:33.23 | Vladinator | http://www.wowhead.com/achievement=1596#comments:id=1407617 :P |
| 15:33.30 | Vladinator | envy mah skillz |
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| 15:33.52 | Vladinator | but it's outdated |
| 15:34.02 | Vladinator | gotta crawl trough all my wowhead comments to update the code :P |
| 15:34.07 | Vladinator | GetQuestsCompleted is no more |
| 15:34.15 | Vladinator | QueryQuestsCompleted too |
| 15:34.46 | Vladinator | IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(id) is the new thing |
| 15:35.13 | g0urra | Ressy: hey now I used to like hansen brothers :( |
| 15:35.53 | g0urra | hanson* |
| 15:35.59 | g0urra | idk why I added brothers |
| 15:36.15 | bluspacecow | sistas! |
| 15:36.26 | g0urra | >_> |
| 15:38.29 | Unkle | When Facebook attacks - Facebook is now telling me I "May Know" Pico from MMO-Champ. |
| 15:38.50 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 15:39.03 | bluspacecow | miss "imma hold my breasts through the news post" girl |
| 15:39.23 | alestane | ...do I want to know? |
| 15:39.30 | aggixx | yes |
| 15:39.38 | aggixx | It's pretty amusing actually. |
| 15:39.59 | Unkle | She's the young lady who does the MMO-Champ video news posts. |
| 15:40.14 | Unkle | She's cute, but I guess a bit nervous still about being on camera. |
| 15:40.51 | aggixx | Show uses hands gestures while she talks and they always take shot of here while it looks like she's holding her breasts. |
| 15:40.55 | aggixx | *her |
| 15:41.45 | bluspacecow | *nod* |
| 15:41.56 | aggixx | Vladinator: So I wrote that code but it's not hiding correctly. http://pastebin.com/VkW6XDCh |
| 15:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. |
| 15:42.12 | bluspacecow | like they copied and pasted her from a video about doing a self check for breast cancer |
| 15:42.16 | Lopeppeppy | I'm gonna go look somewhere else until everyone's a homo sapiens again. |
| 15:43.18 | Unkle | I just thought it was funny. Especially since it suggests I "May Know" Mike Morhaime too. |
| 15:46.06 | Unkle | Smoothest video driver update ever. |
| 15:46.25 | Arrowmaster | its been suggesting i may know mike forever |
| 15:46.26 | nevcairiel | i still feel better when i reboot after it |
| 15:46.48 | alestane | Mike was nice enough to accept my friend request, even though I don't think we've ever actually talked. |
| 15:51.36 | aggixx | bah, wowprogramming lied to me! IsMouseOver doesn't return 1/nil, it returns true/false! |
| 15:51.40 | aggixx | That'd do it |
| 15:52.09 | nevcairiel | using simple boolean logic, that should be the same |
| 15:52.31 | nevcairiel | false and nil are both "false", and all other values are true |
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| 15:53.19 | aggixx | My code was checking == nil and it was never evaluating to true. |
| 15:53.45 | nevcairiel | well yeah thats not a good check, better do "if not value then $dostuff end" |
| 15:53.52 | Xinhuan | i would have done if not value |
| 15:54.16 | aggixx | Well alrighty then, noted. |
| 15:54.30 | nevcairiel | unless you really need to get a distinction between false and nil, its better to not compar directly to either |
| 15:54.44 | Shirik | $dostuff |
| 15:54.47 | Xinhuan | and if i can avoid using the "not" operator, because there is an "else" section |
| 15:55.01 | Xinhuan | i would just do the usual "if value then blah else blah2 end" |
| 15:55.08 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: that assumes you also have a "not else" section :p |
| 15:55.15 | Shirik | if value then else --[[code]] end |
| 15:55.20 | Shirik | ^ poor man's "not" |
| 15:55.39 | nevcairiel | that looks crappy |
| 15:55.44 | Xinhuan | in c/c++, is that valid? heh |
| 15:55.49 | Shirik | sure |
| 15:55.56 | Shirik | if (foo) {} else { /* something */ } |
| 15:56.03 | Industrial | HI guise! im bakc! |
| 15:56.06 | Xinhuan | but only if you specified the {} |
| 15:56.08 | Xinhuan | right? |
| 15:56.09 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:56.14 | Shirik | you could use a semicolon I guess |
| 15:56.16 | nevcairiel | it would possibly warn |
| 15:56.17 | aggixx | Is if then else end less efficient than if not then end? |
| 15:56.19 | Shirik | if (foo); else {/* something */} |
| 15:56.31 | nevcairiel | aggixx: just looks terrible |
| 15:56.31 | Shirik | aggixx: Not only should you not be asking that question, no. |
| 15:56.47 | Shirik | my compiler would warn for that semicolon though |
| 15:56.48 | nevcairiel | Shirik: that also looks terrible |
| 15:56.48 | Xinhuan | it's not less efficient :P, but it's ugly to have an unnecessary not |
| 15:56.49 | aggixx | I'm just curious. Not that it's really important |
| 15:58.22 | Xinhuan | i kinda wish all the programming languages have similar syntax |
| 15:58.32 | nevcairiel | now that would be boring |
| 15:58.54 | nevcairiel | not to mention that all the imperative languages share a rather common syntax |
| 15:59.07 | Xinhuan | try doing a mobile multiplayer game - you have to write code in objective C, c++, java, and then on the server end, you do it in c# and php... :( |
| 15:59.30 | Unkle | Industrial. That's a name I haven't in a long time. |
| 15:59.39 | nevcairiel | its just the screwed up Obj-C that doesnt fit in there :P |
| 15:59.40 | Xinhuan | and the bloody memory management rules are all different |
| 16:00.11 | Xinhuan | obj-c uses manual reference counting, c++ uses constructors and destructors, and java is GCed |
| 16:00.13 | Xinhuan | :( |
| 16:00.38 | nevcairiel | what do constructors have to do with memory management? |
| 16:00.38 | Unkle | How many of the clients are you directly working on? |
| 16:00.44 | nevcairiel | java has constructors |
| 16:00.52 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck, i noticed EA updated the android version of Tetris so it finally says its compatible with the nexus7 so i went to check bejeweled 2, i have it installed on my nexusS but now it says its not compatible with the nexusS or the nexus7 |
| 16:01.22 | Xinhuan | it's basically shared c++ code, but if you're trying to do stuff like iOS app store vs android market |
| 16:01.32 | Xinhuan | you basically have to use their native APIs |
| 16:01.41 | Xinhuan | so there's quite a lot of code wrapping |
| 16:03.42 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.44 | bluspacecow | hi! |
| 16:03.58 | Xinhuan | hihi |
| 16:04.01 | Xinhuan | do u still minecraft? |
| 16:06.18 | alestane | This is why I like Corona, Xinhuan. |
| 16:06.26 | alestane | Just do everything in Lua. |
| 16:06.38 | Xinhuan | we're using cocos2dx atm |
| 16:06.45 | Xinhuan | but we've looked at corona as an option before |
| 16:06.49 | alestane | Another popular multi-target platform. |
| 16:07.01 | Xinhuan | cocos2dx seems a lot better supported |
| 16:07.41 | Xinhuan | also, cocos2dx has a lua layer as well, so you can write it completely in lua (which then runs cocos2dx, which then runs java or objective-c or whatever device it is on) |
| 16:07.46 | Xinhuan | kinda cute |
| 16:08.37 | alestane | I haven't worked in that environment yet. Corona is actively supported, but is still figuring out how to scale its team to meet peoples' expectations. |
| 16:08.47 | Xinhuan | so they picked c++ as the common language |
| 16:09.00 | Xinhuan | but the latest i heard is that they are intending to switch to javascript as the common language |
| 16:09.12 | alestane | Ugh, but why? |
| 16:09.28 | Xinhuan | so in the future, maybe in cocos 3.0, you write in javascript, and it'll compile and run on any device, including HTML5 |
| 16:09.55 | alestane | I did a game jam in JS and was left with the feeling that it was pretty much broken Lua with C syntax conventions. |
| 16:10.17 | Xinhuan | you're probably just not used to it |
| 16:10.31 | alestane | There are certain things in it I'd rather not get used to. |
| 16:10.54 | Xinhuan | lua can seem like "Basic syntax with broken python"? lol |
| 16:11.14 | alestane | Trying to iterate over an array and getting back "1" as the index rather than 1 took me something like 45 minutes to fix. |
| 16:11.26 | alestane | And it looks like it has lexical scoping, but only sort of. |
| 16:11.52 | alestane | Object constructors are static for some reason. |
| 16:12.18 | Xinhuan | which language came first? javascript or lua? |
| 16:12.41 | Semlar | i learned javascript long before i ever heard of lua |
| 16:12.47 | Xinhuan | consider also lua has had 5 major iterations |
| 16:12.49 | alestane | I think Lua dates back to 91 or so in its earliest versions. |
| 16:12.54 | Xinhuan | i'm not sure how many javascript has had |
| 16:13.27 | alestane | It's also true that the JS specs describe features that would make it much easier for me to use, which the browsers I was targeting didn't support at the time. |
| 16:13.44 | Xinhuan | i wouldn't be surprised if JS is earlier with less iterations, so its less flexible |
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| 16:13.51 | Semlar | i don't think comparing javascript to broken lua is very fair |
| 16:14.03 | alestane | Probably not. |
| 16:14.29 | alestane | That was my impression at the time. Partly because I expected things to work a certain way from working in Lua, and JavaScript broke my expectations. |
| 16:14.37 | Xinhuan | well, both compiles to bytecode..., that should be fair enough |
| 16:15.45 | alestane | Also, I'm too used to relying on Lua's heterogeneous tables, and the way JS forces everything into string keys annoys me. |
| 16:17.52 | Xinhuan | not many languages have heterogeneous tables heh |
| 16:19.16 | Xinhuan | probably just "too used to lua" |
| 16:20.25 | alestane | What I like about Lua is that it has a fairly small number of rules and systems, and they generally work consistently. When I started looking at Ruby, it started to feel like it made certain distinctions that it really didn't need to. |
| 16:20.47 | foxlit | does 5.2 let you override __eq for tables? |
| 16:21.39 | alestane | Not sure about __eq. I'm pretty sure it overrides __len. |
| 16:22.24 | Xinhuan | if it allowed __eq, how would you do the original comparison? |
| 16:23.22 | foxlit | clearly we need === :) |
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| 16:24.25 | Xinhuan | i half expected you to say you just have to replace the metatable, do the == then put the metatable back |
| 16:24.26 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 16:25.14 | foxlit | that wouldn't work, though, since some metatables insist they cannot be replaced. |
| 16:26.57 | alestane | === is perl for "same type, same value" rather than "equivalent value," right? |
| 16:27.10 | alestane | How close is that to Python's "is"? |
| 16:27.54 | foxlit | (I was intending to point out that giving you the ability to redefine equality screws with hasmaps, but meh) |
| 16:28.32 | alestane | I'm pretty sure that Lua key equivalency will always be based on identity, which might give you a workaround. |
| 16:29.43 | Xinhuan | unless a programmer expected 2 different tables to compare equal even as keys! |
| 16:30.01 | Xinhuan | that's the whole point of defining a __eq ? |
| 16:30.21 | Xinhuan | what if both tables have a different _eq? |
| 16:32.15 | jnwhiteh | aggixx: then update the page |
| 16:32.17 | jnwhiteh | it used to return that |
| 16:32.28 | Xinhuan | you'll be pretty screwed if a == b is true, but b == a isn't true :P |
| 16:32.51 | Lopeppeppy | 'wiki is as wiki does, jnwhiteh? |
| 16:32.56 | alestane | It doesn't have to be IIRC. |
| 16:32.59 | jnwhiteh | indeedy |
| 16:33.10 | aggixx | Bah, gotta register an account then! Fiiine |
| 16:33.53 | alestane | Ah, __eq doesn't get called if the two arguments have different types. |
| 16:35.04 | alestane | And apparently it checks to make sure that the equality is reflexive before affirming the two arguments equal. |
| 16:35.21 | Xinhuan | o_O |
| 16:35.29 | Xinhuan | so it DOES check a == b and b == a? |
| 16:35.55 | Xinhuan | ok i guess that makes sense, else my head would blow up |
| 16:36.36 | aggixx | Curses! Someone updated the wiki while I was registering an account. |
| 16:36.55 | alestane | If (a==b) ~= (b==a) then a ~= b |
| 16:37.07 | Vladinator | this LFD was strong and wiped on the bar in BRM |
| 16:37.08 | alestane | Is lua_bot on sabbatical, jnwhiteh? |
| 16:37.09 | Vladinator | then all left |
| 16:37.10 | Vladinator | :D |
| 16:37.18 | Vladinator | whining and complaining that the other guy failed ;D |
| 16:37.30 | Vladinator | like one wipe all nerdraged and quit ;D |
| 16:37.30 | alestane | Sound slike par for the course, Vladinator. |
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| 16:37.33 | jnwhiteh | Nej, he got disconnected during a netsplit and no one told me until now =) |
| 16:37.39 | Vladinator | was so funny :D |
| 16:37.47 | Vladinator | kids gotta learn lol |
| 16:37.56 | Vladinator | worst thing is they are probably adults :P |
| 16:38.05 | Xinhuan | that makes __eq run twice isn't it |
| 16:38.25 | Xinhuan | so its not as efficient as your own compare function |
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| 16:39.50 | foxlit | Xinhuan: as far as the lua manual is concerned, __eq only runs once. |
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| 16:40.26 | Xinhuan | but <+alestane> And apparently it checks to make sure that the equality is reflexive before affirming the two arguments equal. ? |
| 16:40.39 | Xinhuan | or are we talking about 2 different versions of lua |
| 16:40.59 | Fisker | drops jnwhiteh |
| 16:41.36 | alestane | Ah, it doesn't actually make sure that the equality is reflexive. Only that both objects use the same comparison. |
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| 16:42.05 | alestane | They don't have to have the same metatable, but they do have to have the same __eq metamethod. |
| 16:43.13 | Xinhuan | so it is entirely possible a == b isn't the same value as b == a |
| 16:43.29 | Xinhuan | would really mess with hash tables |
| 16:43.31 | alestane | If you write your comparator that way. |
| 16:43.52 | Vladinator | Cairenn been closing a lot of threads recently :D |
| 16:43.52 | alestane | So, I try to run WoW and on logging in it tells me there's a patch required. |
| 16:44.04 | Cairenn | Yup |
| 16:44.05 | alestane | I restart it and it still tells me this. |
| 16:44.51 | Lopeppeppy | Admins gonna be admin'ing |
| 16:45.01 | Vladinator | Cairenn do you play WoW at all? :P |
| 16:45.09 | Cairenn | Vladinator: from time to time |
| 16:45.38 | Vladinator | I understand if you don't, like Torhal doesn't play either. |
| 16:45.54 | Vladinator | And I probably won't after my month expires, hehe. Maybe only fix some addon bugs :3 |
| 16:46.11 | Vladinator | that's what starter account is for, debugging or just afking if you really gotta :3 |
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| 16:46.22 | Semlar | is there a simpler way to find this number: while a < b do a = a*2 end |
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| 16:46.42 | foxlit | Semlar: yes. |
| 16:46.50 | alestane | log? |
| 16:47.41 | Semlar | the blizzard code for trimming the overlays uses these while statements and i don't know math well enough to replace them |
| 16:48.29 | alestane | lua> math.floor(math.log(600)/math.log(2)) |
| 16:48.30 | lua_bot | alestane: 9 |
| 16:48.46 | Xinhuan | you need to ceil the number i think |
| 16:48.48 | Xinhuan | not floor |
| 16:48.50 | foxlit | I demand that there be a math lesson here. |
| 16:49.38 | Semlar | so ceil(log(b)/log(a)) |
| 16:49.51 | Xinhuan | lua> 2 ^ math.ceil(math.log(600)/math.log(2)) |
| 16:49.52 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 1024 |
| 16:49.54 | alestane | lua> local n, a, b = 0, 1, 600; while a < b do a = a * 2; n = n + 1 end; return n |
| 16:49.54 | lua_bot | alestane: 10 |
| 16:49.56 | Xinhuan | yeah that sounds right |
| 16:50.16 | Xinhuan | 2 ^ math.ceil(math.log(600)/math.log(2)), since you want 1024 as the final result |
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| 16:50.21 | Semlar | right |
| 16:50.22 | alestane | Ah yes, because we have to take one more power. |
| 16:50.40 | Xinhuan | lua> 2 ^ math.ceil(math.log(512)/math.log(2)) |
| 16:50.40 | lua_bot | Xinhuan: 512 |
| 16:50.43 | alestane | You're looking for the smallest power of two that's larger than the target number. |
| 16:50.44 | Xinhuan | yeah sounds right |
| 16:50.48 | bluspacecow | "alestane: I restart it and it still tells me this." |
| 16:50.58 | bluspacecow | 32 bit client r borked on de server |
| 16:51.12 | Xinhuan | i can probably tell you though, that the while loop is PROBABLY a lot faster than the math.ceil + log + log calls :P |
| 16:51.20 | Semlar | i don't think 512 would be right if the max number is 512 |
| 16:51.28 | Semlar | i think it wants the next number up |
| 16:51.33 | bluspacecow | keeps trying to download a small MPQ file containing one .lst file … that has a launch launcher argument in it (thats all!) |
| 16:51.43 | alestane | Well, Xinhuan, the math.log(2) can be precalculated. |
| 16:51.44 | bluspacecow | use the 64 bit client for now |
| 16:51.55 | Xinhuan | oh you want 1024 even if its b = 512? |
| 16:52.04 | alestane | That presupposes a 64-bit processor, bluspacecow. |
| 16:52.10 | alestane | Guess I'm not playing for a while. |
| 16:52.13 | bluspacecow | oh dear. |
| 16:52.21 | Semlar | well the while is for a < b so if they're equal it would keep going |
| 16:52.27 | Xinhuan | while a < b would give 512 for 512 |
| 16:52.35 | bluspacecow | look in your connection.log file - it's trying to download a launcher update |
| 16:52.38 | Semlar | oh nevermind |
| 16:52.38 | bluspacecow | which is borked |
| 16:52.47 | bluspacecow | bork bork bork *toss radish in air* |
| 16:52.47 | alestane | That's a problem I need to fix sometime soon, but not for a month or two. |
| 16:52.50 | bluspacecow | wheres beaker! |
| 16:53.48 | Xinhuan | i still think the while loop is faster anyway |
| 16:53.57 | Xinhuan | than 2 function calls, and an exponent |
| 16:54.19 | Semlar | yeah |
| 16:54.19 | alestane | For small values, it probably is. |
| 16:54.20 | Xinhuan | and it is easier to understand the intent of the loop |
| 16:54.37 | Semlar | i don't think the numbers are ever going to be more than like 256 or 512 |
| 16:54.46 | Semlar | the base is 16 |
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| 16:58.34 | TC-Work | Nothing says a waste of time like an all-hands company meeting |
| 16:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Because those hands are doing NOTHING during the meeting except texting "This is soooo lame." |
| 16:59.54 | Cairenn | TC-Work: hope that it's nothing more than a waste of time - like a 'we're going out of business' all hands meeting |
| 17:00.28 | TC-Work | Cairenn: oh, thats more or less what it's about, our parent company went chapter 11 and we are getting sold |
| 17:00.37 | Cairenn | crap |
| 17:00.37 | TC-Work | however, it could also be done with an email |
| 17:00.38 | Lopeppeppy | Fek. |
| 17:00.59 | Cairenn | TC-Work: hopefully whoever is buying you out keeps everyone on |
| 17:01.12 | TC-Work | We are going up for auction |
| 17:01.20 | TC-Work | buy in is 15 Mill if anyone is interested |
| 17:01.40 | Cairenn | I'm still going to keep my fingers crossed for you |
| 17:01.55 | foxlit | who is we, again? |
| 17:02.05 | TC-Work | Thanks but I'm not particularly worried |
| 17:02.10 | TC-Work | Digital Domain |
| 17:02.38 | Lopeppeppy | Analog Dominion buying you out? |
| 17:03.15 | TC-Work | Searchlight |
| 17:03.25 | Cairenn | giggles at Lopeppeppy |
| 17:03.26 | TC-Work | well, again, it's an auction |
| 17:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. I bid two bananas. |
| 17:05.25 | TC-Work | Not sure thats going to work |
| 17:05.40 | Primer | TC-Work: in LA? |
| 17:05.40 | nevcairiel | 15 million bananas? |
| 17:05.46 | TC-Work | Primer: yes |
| 17:06.09 | TC-Work | DDPI as opposed to DDMG |
| 17:06.10 | Primer | I recall that a company I once worked for, Kick Media, took some space in your office around 2000, when it went belly up |
| 17:06.52 | TC-Work | A tad before my time |
| 17:07.03 | Primer | I remember spending most of my time there just going from station to station, watching people animate |
| 17:07.50 | Primer | I remember the office was really dark |
| 17:08.07 | TC-Work | yes, only job i have had to cary a flashlight to do my work |
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| 17:10.00 | Primer | TC-Work: what is that work, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 17:10.12 | TC-Work | Primer: IT |
| 17:10.13 | Primer | I have a programming position open here in downtown LA :) |
| 17:10.37 | TC-Work | Despite that has been all i have been working on the last few days i am alas not a programmer |
| 17:11.07 | Primer | TC-Work: the market is still good for people with IT/programming skills |
| 17:11.31 | Primer | we've had ads on craigslist even, and we've gotten maybe 20 resumes |
| 17:11.55 | Primer | we also have 4 recruiters looking for candidates. We've interviewed about 7 people in the past month |
| 17:12.06 | TC-Work | Thats oddly low |
| 17:12.10 | Primer | indeed |
| 17:12.23 | Primer | it's not that we're being overly picky, it's just that we aren't getting people |
| 17:12.34 | Primer | the job itself is actually pretty attractive, IMO |
| 17:14.34 | Vladinator | Primer: isn't craigslist where all the illegal things are going on? |
| 17:14.46 | TC-Work | hardly 'all' |
| 17:15.07 | Primer | Vladinator: I've bought and sold many items on craigslist |
| 17:15.16 | Vladinator | I don't know, not from US, but I nearly only heard bad stuff about it lol |
| 17:15.19 | TC-Work | Including people! |
| 17:15.28 | Primer | and people post and seek jobs there too |
| 17:15.54 | Vladinator | btw what are you and TC talking about? |
| 17:16.28 | Primer | Vladinator: it's like I used to tell my wife regarding the internet: You rarely hear stories like: "Something normal happened!" |
| 17:16.44 | TC-Work | Vladinator: scroll up? |
| 17:16.52 | Primer | aye, scroll |
| 17:16.53 | Vladinator | I did but couldn't find a definite topic :P |
| 17:17.07 | TC-Work | there is none |
| 17:17.24 | Vladinator | some company buying your company stuff, I hope it goes well for you :P |
| 17:17.25 | Primer | He said he worked for Digital Domain, I asked "in LA?", he said "yes", and I said "I once worked out of your office back in 2000" |
| 17:17.29 | Primer | and it was a dark office |
| 17:17.32 | Primer | that's about it |
| 17:18.07 | TC-Work | although i would rather mosey on over to work across the street at google |
| 17:18.40 | Lopeppeppy | I hear their cafeteria rocks the world. |
| 17:18.44 | Vladinator | what is your current job, TC? |
| 17:19.19 | bluspacecow | head bluspacecow burger flipped |
| 17:19.23 | bluspacecow | *flip* |
| 17:20.03 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: you have no idea how much the smells make us hungry over here....i'm agony |
| 17:20.18 | TC-Work | Vladinator: IT |
| 17:20.26 | TC-Work | it's* |
| 17:20.27 | Vladinator | dolby: sometimes when I view my addon list the addons disappear and only comments show up, then it works fine a moment later on :P |
| 17:20.40 | Vladinator | but IT is big, what specifically? programming? maintenance? |
| 17:20.51 | Primer | programming != IT |
| 17:20.55 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 17:20.58 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 17:21.05 | TC-Work | except in my case |
| 17:21.20 | TC-Work | where i am doing more of that then support |
| 17:21.23 | TC-Work | atm |
| 17:21.44 | Vladinator | nvm was thinking about computer science :P |
| 17:21.54 | Vladinator | in any case IT I see |
| 17:22.02 | Vladinator | I like IT but not costumer suport :P |
| 17:22.24 | TC-Work | no one does |
| 17:22.30 | Vladinator | I prefer to see my hard work flourish by checking up on those I helped to see how things work out :P |
| 17:22.49 | Lopeppeppy | I do that as part of customer support. |
| 17:22.50 | Vladinator | seeing them happy makes me double happy :P |
| 17:23.26 | Vladinator | TC btw |
| 17:23.29 | Vladinator | The Information Technology Association of America has defined IT as "the study, design, development, application, implementation, support or management of computer-based information systems" |
| 17:23.40 | Vladinator | but implementation can sometimes be programming too :P |
| 17:24.29 | Vladinator | *shrug* |
| 17:26.06 | Primer | I don't think there's any programming expectation for IT |
| 17:27.06 | Vladinator | I don't know, I just always felt that IT involved everything kind of, except actually physically building computers since that's more engineering :P but who am I to come here and tell you otherwise ^^ |
| 17:29.17 | Vladinator | Nah, I agree. |
| 17:29.27 | Vladinator | So what category does programming fall under? |
| 17:30.35 | Primer | programming |
| 17:30.36 | Vladinator | perhaps it goes from computer science -> software development directly, maybe no middle category :P |
| 17:30.46 | Vladinator | Primer: you ;) |
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| 17:35.18 | Vladinator | why is the chat so silent atm, is it late? :) |
| 17:35.42 | durcyn | Shadowed: that LFD setframelevel hack is causing a stack overflow |
| 17:35.50 | Ressy | lunch |
| 17:36.03 | nilyaK | na, 10:35AM on the west coast of the US (ignoring Hawaii and Alaska) |
| 17:36.07 | znf | Shadowed, didn't you mentioned that the power update was fixed? I experienced it last night on that Plants vs. Zombie quest in Hillsbrad. The player and target frame weren't updating, but targettarget was updating properly |
| 17:36.08 | Vladinator | :D |
| 17:40.31 | Vladinator | I am not sure if it's even worth mentioning here, but, in Drak Tharon keep the skeleton form you play as on last boss, it had no bars, and I use bartender4. It probably took use of the new macro conditions. |
| 17:40.41 | Vladinator | Just saying, maybe that specific boss uses the old method still? |
| 17:41.10 | Vladinator | worth thinking about when making actionbar addons :) |
| 17:41.51 | znf | I think I saw a commit to bartender4 a few days ago mentioning exactly that issue |
| 17:42.54 | znf | Or maybe it was a discussion :P |
| 17:43.03 | durcyn | they changed it to one of the new overridebars, but didn't change state or something buggy iirc |
| 17:45.53 | Vladinator | I mentioned it a while ago too, but thought maybe to mention it here again :P |
| 17:47.12 | aggixx | I believe it's an encounter bug |
| 17:47.42 | aggixx | saw a screenshot of it happening with the default UI. |
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| 17:48.14 | Vladinator | that can be, but it gotta work for some people as I remember others used their abilities :D |
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| 17:52.48 | kd3 | snrk; Among the other proclamations in the story is Musk saying that he intends to die on Mars. 'Just not on impact.' |
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| 17:53.25 | kd3 | http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/71446-elon-musk-the-21st-century-industrialist |
| 17:53.46 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, it will be on the rebound from the first bounce. :) |
| 17:53.52 | kd3 | lol |
| 17:54.02 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 17:54.51 | Vladinator | I hope he wants to die on Mars when he is old, he is too young atm :P |
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| 18:07.57 | Vladinator | hi Torhal! :) |
| 18:12.32 | Torhal | Yolanda. |
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| 18:17.28 | mckenziemc | heh, if you have no fishing pole equipped, you can still use Fishing but it shows a thin branch in place of a pole |
| 18:21.29 | TMc51 | Nice touch |
| 18:21.30 | Kraps | ~ugt |
| 18:21.30 | purl | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 18:27.45 | mikma | rtharper_: http://youtu.be/3ZrHfdBkqVo |
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| 18:41.32 | Yoshimo | GetPowerRegen does return floats, doesnt it? |
| 18:42.15 | jnwhiteh | amro: ping? |
| 18:42.17 | Unkle | Q: Why did blizzard decide not to rebuild org and sw in this expansion? A: ... "I think we all want to see the gates of Stormwind patched up, but it'll take some time. Apparently the King has a bad track record with the local masons..." |
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| 18:42.51 | kd3 | I laughed more than I should have when I saw that on the AMA |
| 18:43.00 | Arrowmaster | fuck, just submitted a job application and under desired salary i put a yearly amount then noticed afterwards that it says part time possition |
| 18:43.32 | Unkle | Hope you didn't inclue "detail oriented" in your resume. |
| 18:43.40 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 18:44.07 | Arrowmaster | my resume is all facts, no bullshit |
| 18:44.15 | Arrowmaster | maybe thats why i cant find a job |
| 18:45.03 | TC-Work | I got mine without bullshit |
| 18:45.16 | mckenziemc | bullshit |
| 18:46.05 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck is a ITIL Foundation V3 certification |
| 18:46.15 | Unkle | Depends on what you call "bullshit." Knowing how to speak the HR language often gets called "bullshit" by engineering types. |
| 18:46.21 | Kraps | when do worgen get the ability to be human |
| 18:46.37 | Unkle | Kraps out of combat. |
| 18:46.40 | kd3 | they start human, but get cursed a third of the way in |
| 18:46.43 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 18:46.51 | Unkle | It's called "Two forms" and should be in your spell book |
| 18:47.00 | mckenziemc | around level 10 iirc |
| 18:47.16 | mckenziemc | after recovering the scythe of elune |
| 18:47.18 | Unkle | Happens towards the end of your starting area. |
| 18:47.23 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: i made my resume pretty but i dont have any of that nondescript stuff HR loves on it |
| 18:48.47 | mckenziemc | http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:Neither_Human_Nor_Beast |
| 18:49.05 | Unkle | Arrowmaster do yourself a solid, and take your resume to the state uni - often they have a service that they provide where they'll critique it and help you "fix" it for free. |
| 18:49.19 | Arrowmaster | you know what i really need to greatly improve my job hunting, a security clearance |
| 18:50.06 | Unkle | Well that is harder to come by. |
| 18:50.11 | Arrowmaster | Unkle: ive done that before with an older version of my resume a few years ago |
| 18:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | I speak pretty fluent HR. |
| 18:51.44 | Unkle | I do not. I bumble my way through conversations and hope for the best. |
| 18:54.23 | Vladinator | Arrowmaster: :( |
| 18:54.31 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 18:54.34 | Vladinator | it can't be that bad? |
| 18:54.38 | Vladinator | not from US but :) |
| 18:55.02 | Vladinator | also what is a security clearance? :D |
| 18:55.07 | Arrowmaster | finding a job? its fucking horrible finding an entry level IT job where i am in the US |
| 18:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | Security clearance has several levels. |
| 18:55.19 | nevcairiel | so move to where it is possible |
| 18:55.26 | Arrowmaster | no money to move |
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| 18:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | A the lowest, just making sure that you're not a conviced criminal or something. At the highest, investigating your life with a fine toothed comb for up to 10 years or longer prior to the job inquiry, to find out if you've ever sneezed at doing something immoral, illegal, unethical, or squidgy. |
| 18:56.07 | Vladinator | how do you get a security clearance? ;D sounds funny |
| 18:56.17 | Vladinator | aha |
| 18:56.28 | Vladinator | so why is it hard to get one? |
| 18:56.45 | Lopeppeppy | You don't go get one. When you apply, the company will run a check on you. And they will simply tell you that you didn't pass, not why. |
| 18:56.54 | Arrowmaster | you get a job that needs it, then the government investiagates you and you either get the clearance or you lose the job |
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| 18:57.19 | Vladinator | To me the "you don't know why" reason sounds so... fishy :P |
| 18:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | Their criteria can be impossibly strict, Vladinator. And they don't just question you, they question your family, your friends, former employers, former coworkers. |
| 18:57.54 | Unkle | Secuirty clearance is almost always for governement/sensitive work. No employer wants to trust you with valuable secrets if you're a criminal or have a shady past or present. |
| 18:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | They are under no obligation to reveal to you the results, because that would involve revealing what their high criteria actually *are*, which is of course classified. |
| 18:58.12 | mckenziemc | classifies Lopeppeppy |
| 18:58.13 | Arrowmaster | i live near an airforce base, so ive been applying for tech jobs that require a security clearance fairly often |
| 18:58.46 | Arrowmaster | this specific one i just applied for says its for U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services (USCIS) |
| 18:59.12 | Lopeppeppy | Some security clearances involve drug screenings, either just once at the outset, or routinely throughout employment. And when too much NyQuil can make you test positive, that's just redonkulous. |
| 18:59.20 | Vladinator | do you automatically get top clearance if you haven't done anything wrong? :P |
| 18:59.30 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 18:59.36 | Arrowmaster | i immagion that one is easier to get the clearance for than the job i applied for working in a NOC for predator drones |
| 18:59.59 | Unkle | Hey, I couldn't get a particular job years ago because I had more tha $5K in debt. This made me a "potential target for bribery." |
| 19:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | You get whatever level the company applied to you for. And later on, when you swap jobs for another with higher clearance, you go through it all again! |
| 19:00.05 | Vladinator | :D lol |
| 19:00.10 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, Unkle. |
| 19:00.24 | Lopeppeppy | Look at all the college grads with student debt who get the same thing. |
| 19:00.38 | Vladinator | Isn't bribery more common with people that have money and want more? :p |
| 19:00.47 | Arrowmaster | i luckly have zero student loans |
| 19:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | Bribery is just whatever people guess it is, Vladinator. |
| 19:01.03 | Unkle | In this case, they were worried about "desperation" |
| 19:01.10 | Vladinator | I find it offensive |
| 19:01.16 | Unkle | So did I. |
| 19:01.26 | Vladinator | That my employer thinks I am easy to bribe because I have a loan, jeez. |
| 19:01.36 | Vladinator | Who doesn't have a loan these days, everyone is in debt. |
| 19:01.41 | Unkle | Especially considering my debt was largely not my fault and that I was out of work at the time. |
| 19:01.49 | Kraps | stealth doesnt slow you down anymore :O |
| 19:02.04 | mckenziemc | been that way for a while |
| 19:02.14 | mckenziemc | (prowl still does slow though) |
| 19:02.30 | Vladinator | (gotta major glyph prowl) |
| 19:02.40 | mckenziemc | :o |
| 19:03.12 | Vladinator | Unkle: I feel sorry for you now :( |
| 19:04.06 | Vladinator | I hate prejudice. |
| 19:04.52 | Adys | <sigh> |
| 19:05.10 | Adys | Im starting to believe python devs are just burrowing their head in the sand with python3 |
| 19:05.23 | Unkle | No one should feel sorry for me. My life has turned out pretty decently, even if points kinda sucked. I'm a middle-aged white male. I'm playling "Life" on "Easy Mode" |
| 19:05.28 | Adys | python 3 is out and they *still* strongly recommend a default python of 2.7 |
| 19:05.31 | Adys | 3.3* |
| 19:05.51 | Vladinator | I use 2.7 too :3 blame others for not updating their libraries ;D |
| 19:06.10 | Vladinator | Unkle: Nah not that sorry, hehe. Just felt a bit angry on your behalf being acused for something you probably aren't :P |
| 19:06.12 | Adys | 3.3 is extremely usable |
| 19:06.26 | Adys | its not perfect, but development wise its a lot better than 2.7 |
| 19:07.02 | Adys | 3.3 brings a lot of backwards compatibility back which will make most 2.7 somewhat-forward-compatible scripts and libs fully work |
| 19:07.08 | Adys | like u"" back |
| 19:08.59 | Unkle | Vladinator It was ... mmmm... 2003? So it's been a while. :) |
| 19:09.18 | Vladinator | do you think it's up to you, or your peers to decide what nationality you are? thinking of the situation when you moved to another country while you were still young, like <=8 years old. |
| 19:10.01 | Unkle | Nationality? Or citizenship? |
| 19:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | If you're 8, your peers decide everything about you. And make you hate it. |
| 19:10.51 | Vladinator | I meant, if you now ask the kid, is it he who decides what nationality he is or is it stricktly for the others to decide? :P |
| 19:11.12 | Vladinator | regardless of what passport he has, talking about nationality here. |
| 19:11.16 | Arrowmaster | friend moved from russia when he was like 6, still thinks hes russian though, bastard handed me his iphone at blizzcon and told me to lookup a place to eat lunch, he had it set to russian |
| 19:11.23 | Lopeppeppy | His parents and his peers probably tell him, and he tells you whatever he's heard. |
| 19:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | If his parents tell him how proudly he's now a French citizen, he'll repeat it back to you with a smile. If his parents are grumpy and say they're just here for a while, they're really still Italian, he'll pout and say he's Italian. |
| 19:12.27 | Kraps | u'm looking for the what the stealth button is called in the key binding window |
| 19:12.33 | Lopeppeppy | Or he may surprise you and declare for the Australians Because 8 year olds are just like that. |
| 19:12.43 | Vladinator | I think I should have had expanded on my situations criteria it more, hehe. |
| 19:12.44 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: stance 1 |
| 19:12.59 | Lopeppeppy | It depends on the kid and the situation, Vladinator. No two kids grow up alike. |
| 19:13.06 | Vladinator | Yes. |
| 19:13.39 | Lopeppeppy | the Spawn is a martian no matter what, but Rachel knows she's American and the Canadians are up north and the Mexicans are down to the south and you have to swim to find some Russians. |
| 19:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | She likes her history class. He prefers his library time. |
| 19:14.01 | Vladinator | I think though it's up to the person to decide how he feels, I mean, how do you feel if someone tells you that you are not accepted as who you feel you are? :P |
| 19:14.27 | Lopeppeppy | Dude. That's Psych 101 - 325, do you have two years for me to teach it all? |
| 19:14.34 | Vladinator | :P |
| 19:14.56 | Kraps | Arrowmaster, i dont see it |
| 19:15.04 | Arrowmaster | then i dont know |
| 19:15.42 | Ressy | Security clearances are funny things. My sis's mother in law has one with the Canadian Gov. When my sis married her hubby, our entire family was checked out. My sis was checked out when she started living with her (now) hubby. |
| 19:16.25 | Kraps | oh i could just drag it on a bar space and hotkey that |
| 19:19.01 | Lopeppeppy | I got a 4 hour grilling once for driving an international student to the border station to renew his student visa. In somebody else's car (you know how college students are!) |
| 19:19.02 | mckenziemc | Kraps: think the default bind for it is control (alt?) F1, you could scan for that |
| 19:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | "How do you know this man?" "Um, we sing in chorus together." "When did you start dating?" "Um, we don't date, I barely know him." "So why did you drive him here?" "Because he asked me to?" .... |
| 19:20.15 | Kraps | so it is, i forgot to recheck that after closing the keybind window |
| 19:20.46 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy Candian border officials searched my SUV in 1998 because the agent asked me if I owned a gun not if I had one in the car. |
| 19:20.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I remember you telling me that Unkle! |
| 19:21.10 | Lopeppeppy | Same border, Canada, but I doubt same location. :) |
| 19:21.14 | Arrowmaster | Ressy: i think ive been checked out already, two of my uncles have worked for the military on top secret projects |
| 19:21.35 | Lopeppeppy | 4 hours because I agreed to drive someone else's car for a 20 minute errand as a good-karma gesture. :) |
| 19:21.36 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy I was driving up from VA through NY, so... maybe. |
| 19:21.42 | Ressy | I was checked out just before my sis got married, cuz of the mother in law's job. |
| 19:21.47 | Ressy | She does IT. |
| 19:21.58 | Adys | has anyone dealt in supporting arbitrary keyboard layouts for per-layout keybind? |
| 19:22.11 | Adys | eg. supporting wsad in a game on non-qwerty keyboards |
| 19:22.45 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle - Ogdensburg? |
| 19:23.14 | Unkle | Does not sound familiar. |
| 19:23.49 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, you'd be wicked out of your way there, there are no interstates for like... 2 hours each direction. |
| 19:24.18 | Arrowmaster | i drove my friend to a cival air patrol meeting on an airforce base and got stopped because i didnt have a current proof of insurance |
| 19:24.48 | Arrowmaster | once it got faxed over they handed me an all day pass |
| 19:25.18 | Lopeppeppy | Buffalo/Erie, Niagra, Lewiston, Alexandria Bay, or Massena then. |
| 19:25.34 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy Buffalo sounds right. |
| 19:26.32 | Lopeppeppy | Buffalo, woot. Da Bills. |
| 19:26.43 | TC-Work | Fisker: ftl is up for sale |
| 19:28.52 | Arrowmaster | he already owns it |
| 19:33.24 | foxlit | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/spade/ << how does that sound? |
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| 19:34.18 | Unkle | foxlit WIN! |
| 19:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | Oh god I just died of the awesomeness. |
| 19:35.35 | Ressy | damn. thats awesome foxlit |
| 19:35.35 | Unkle | goes back to reading docs about securing VPN and Exchange servers. |
| 19:35.55 | Ressy | lmao. I like the "* OPie is not included with your Spade; order OPie today!" |
| 19:35.58 | znf | foxlit, have my babies |
| 19:36.31 | durcyn | foxlit: what do you have against opening the repo for checkouts? :( |
| 19:37.05 | Unkle | He's the "Finding Nemo" seagull of code. |
| 19:37.06 | Mr_Rabies | OPie may be exactly what i need |
| 19:37.16 | Mr_Rabies | does it have any issues with say, bartender or anything? |
| 19:37.45 | foxlit | No, you're free to use whatever action bars you like. |
| 19:37.50 | Unkle | OPie is amazingly handy in all sorts of uses. It's on my "must have" list of AddOns. |
| 19:38.05 | foxlit | durcyn: the repository is not closed, it's existence-challenged :) |
| 19:38.15 | Unkle | And because I rarely abuse the access, foxlit even sometimes fixes bugs I find. |
| 19:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | No wai. |
| 19:38.31 | znf | foxlit, the name is, well... not intuitive :P |
| 19:38.46 | Mr_Rabies | i remember harassing ckknight almost daily for fixes and features to pitbull |
| 19:38.54 | Mr_Rabies | i wonder exactly how much feature creep i'm responsible for |
| 19:39.07 | durcyn | not as much as he was responsible for |
| 19:39.32 | foxlit | znf: I don't disagree, but maybe it's less of an issue. It's easy to say "Hey, you should get Spade!" |
| 19:39.54 | znf | "what does it do and why do you want me to get that for farming?" :P |
| 19:40.12 | foxlit | "It makes farming awesome!" |
| 19:40.18 | Vladinator | isn't it kind of sad to be already preparing for the mindless reputation farming in mop? :P |
| 19:40.19 | Unkle | Obviously English is not your native language. |
| 19:40.22 | foxlit | </endofstory> |
| 19:40.22 | Lopeppeppy | Spade - it really digs ya. |
| 19:40.52 | Mr_Rabies | CANNNN YOOOOU DIIIIG IT? |
| 19:40.52 | foxlit | but it might be just slightly difficult to find if you're just looking for farming addons. |
| 19:41.09 | foxlit | To that end, none of the addon categories really fit. |
| 19:41.41 | Fisker | mad Arrowmaster ? |
| 19:41.52 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of a profession, but i think blizzard has recently realized how much of a waste of a time making secondary professions is |
| 19:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | so a lot of stuff that in the past would likely be considered that is now just a minigame |
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| 19:44.32 | Vladinator | Did you know Blizzard tracks what macros you use? ;) |
| 19:44.39 | Vladinator | It's not just executed on the client side. |
| 19:44.54 | Vladinator | You probably know but I felt like saying it, hehe. |
| 19:45.11 | Mr_Rabies | they're all saved server-side, as of like, 2.something |
| 19:45.18 | Unkle | They store them server side. And they log pretty much everything you send to the server for execution ... so ... like duh? |
| 19:45.23 | Mr_Rabies | that doesn't really mean they "keep track of your macros" |
| 19:45.28 | znf | foxlit, "Shovel" :P |
| 19:45.30 | Mr_Rabies | logging isn't exactly the same as "keeping track of" |
| 19:45.38 | Vladinator | No I mean. |
| 19:45.45 | Vladinator | When you execute a macro, that macro is sent to the server asap. |
| 19:45.54 | Unkle | I'm just saying he's mountain-ing a mole-hill. |
| 19:46.13 | znf | Vladinator, no kidding? It's like this game is running on a server-client model |
| 19:46.17 | znf | Who would have known? |
| 19:46.24 | foxlit | actually, that's non-intuitive |
| 19:46.29 | Vladinator | :/ |
| 19:46.42 | Fisker | i heard Blizzard also tracks chat, loot and other fun stuff |
| 19:46.48 | znf | Even boss kills |
| 19:46.49 | znf | imagine that |
| 19:46.50 | foxlit | the client has every resource it needs to execute the macro client-side. The server only needs to be notified of a minimal amount of sideeffects. |
| 19:46.57 | Vladinator | Thing is if you run a /castsequence it doesn't just locally pick out what spell it is to tell the server you cast, it sends the whole thing. |
| 19:47.18 | Vladinator | Like in addition to actually casting your spell :P |
| 19:47.45 | Vladinator | When it comes to macros you would assume they only picked out the proper action and told the server about what you decided to do, but it's not like that. |
| 19:48.47 | foxlit | how do you know it's not like that, though? |
| 19:48.55 | Vladinator | EXECUTE_CHAT_LINE event |
| 19:49.39 | Vladinator | each / is sent to the server ;) |
| 19:49.54 | Vladinator | and not many know about that :P |
| 19:50.01 | Vladinator | otherwise you guys wouldn't have barked at me ;D |
| 19:50.07 | foxlit | I don't think that adequately answers my question. |
| 19:50.28 | Vladinator | *shrug* |
| 19:50.38 | Fisker | sure it isn't just jpeg compression artifacts Vladinator ? |
| 19:50.41 | Vladinator | food for thought, now you think :P |
| 19:50.50 | Vladinator | Fisker: ^^ |
| 19:50.55 | Vladinator | that was yesterdays topic |
| 19:51.23 | Fisker | nah |
| 19:51.28 | foxlit | Vladinator: I think that's kind of lame of you. |
| 19:51.51 | Vladinator | what? what is lame of me? :S |
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| 19:52.38 | foxlit | You mention something interesting, then utterly fail to mention any sort of reliable source that would suggest you didn't just make that up, or misunderstood something, then go "hah, made you think!" |
| 19:52.43 | Vladinator | :S |
| 19:52.54 | znf | How is that interesting? :-? |
| 19:53.01 | Vladinator | First I am sick so not thinking straight all the time, ok, so. |
| 19:53.21 | foxlit | znf: It would be odd if /run print("hi") was sent to the server -- there's no reason to do that. |
| 19:53.22 | Vladinator | When you run your macros it does it's regular internal stuff, but in addition each / line is always sent to the server. |
| 19:53.29 | znf | Ah |
| 19:53.53 | Vladinator | if you /run print(time()) the EXECUTE_CHAT_LINE fires ;) |
| 19:54.26 | Vladinator | this way they can see what scripts are used, a while back there was an exploit that let you run secure lua using a slash command exploit and they caught it using this method I am sure |
| 19:54.58 | foxlit | I think there's an implicit assumption there |
| 19:55.07 | foxlit | which is "All events fire because something was sent to the server" |
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| 19:55.21 | Semlar | that definitely isn't true |
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| 19:55.45 | Vladinator | I haven't reverse engineered how these slash commands are handled internally so all I can provide is a theory based on what I see in-game atm. |
| 19:55.57 | Vladinator | Semlar: what isn't? :P |
| 19:56.12 | Semlar | i've gone offline before without getting disconnected and everything in the interface continues to work |
| 19:56.13 | znf | I think that's how they "caught" Pirox bot users :D |
| 19:56.16 | znf | if that works like that |
| 19:56.39 | Vladinator | the event doesn't fire if you run it in chat btw |
| 19:56.42 | Vladinator | only when it runs from a macro |
| 19:56.51 | Vladinator | maybe even secure frames with macro contents |
| 19:56.56 | Vladinator | haven't tested last part |
| 19:57.03 | Unkle | I think foxlit has pointed out the underlying incorrect assumption. |
| 19:57.20 | Mr_Rabies | is there a world pvp zone type thing in MoP, ala WG/TB? |
| 19:57.24 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see any info on that |
| 19:57.44 | Vladinator | reason I mentioned it is in case someone knows more or has researched on this, I am not in a position to do so myself :P |
| 19:57.54 | Vladinator | it's weird why this event would even exist tbh |
| 19:58.14 | Semlar | hm, i did see a map flagged for pvp |
| 19:58.21 | Semlar | it was just called MistsCTF3 |
| 19:58.28 | Vladinator | that's bg |
| 19:58.30 | foxlit | Vladinator: So, basically, you're seeing some behavior, conclude something, and then proclaim "Hey, did you guys know that (my conclusion is true)?" |
| 19:58.49 | Vladinator | ah no, I only meant it as a possibility |
| 19:58.52 | Semlar | the description was just "This new map has yet to be created. Horde guys, go beat up those Alliance jerks." |
| 19:58.58 | Vladinator | based on what I've seen earlier :P |
| 19:59.05 | Vladinator | yes Semlar |
| 19:59.09 | foxlit | Let me offer you an alternative theory: |
| 19:59.20 | foxlit | Running EXECUTE_CHAT_LINE is the easiest, most obvious way for the client to execute macros |
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| 19:59.59 | foxlit | A macro is essentially a collection of newline-delimited chat commands. Chat commands may depend on the Lua state. We already have code that handles parsing individual commands in FrameXML. |
| 20:00.39 | foxlit | Now, if you wanted to execute several chat commands in a row, would you re-implement the entire slash command parsing logic in C so that RunMacro could use it, or would you simply callback to FrameXML to get it to run each line individually? |
| 20:00.56 | Semlar | there's also one called ValleyOfPower |
| 20:01.10 | Semlar | localized name is temple of kotmogu |
| 20:01.34 | Semlar | i'm not sure what the outdoor pvp zones are flagged with |
| 20:01.54 | kd3 | there's no outdoor pvp zone. I think there was one in the works but it never came to fruition |
| 20:02.00 | Vladinator | foxlit: I agree with what you said. |
| 20:02.12 | Semlar | i don't even see wintergrasp on the list so i have nothing to compare it to |
| 20:02.18 | Vladinator | But why would the client not simply execute it locally, why is the server involved with the macro execution? :D |
| 20:02.34 | foxlit | I see no reason to claim that the server is involved. |
| 20:02.50 | Vladinator | Ah you mean that the event just fires for the chat handler to respond? |
| 20:03.23 | foxlit | yep. |
| 20:03.28 | Vladinator | I see I see. |
| 20:03.45 | Vladinator | Just odd there was a whole event for it, hehe ^^ |
| 20:03.57 | Vladinator | Semlar: :D |
| 20:04.08 | Vladinator | I don't think there is a new world pvp zone yet. |
| 20:04.16 | Vladinator | Only 3 new BG |
| 20:04.40 | Vladinator | btw foxlit |
| 20:04.49 | Vladinator | blizzard can make your client run custom code using that event |
| 20:05.14 | foxlit | btw Vladinator |
| 20:05.19 | foxlit | if the sun crashed into the earth, we'd all die. |
| 20:05.47 | Humbedooh | the sun can't crash into the earth :\ |
| 20:06.13 | Unkle | It doesn't have to. It can just jet some plasma out and cook us. :) |
| 20:06.24 | Cairenn | http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/zvqu3/we_just_got_a_portal_at_work_that_links_to_our/ |
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| 20:07.13 | Primer | nifty |
| 20:07.26 | foxlit | Humbedooh: I suppose it could be rephrased to concern a giant asteroid instead :) |
| 20:07.36 | Unkle | Cairenn "Unfortunately, portals or no, I still can't download an Audi." |
| 20:07.37 | Vladinator | I wasn't finished |
| 20:07.43 | Cairenn | heh |
| 20:07.54 | Vladinator | will the chat frame run secure/protected code? |
| 20:09.24 | nilyaK1 | afk dog walking |
| 20:09.33 | Primer | the dog is afk? |
| 20:09.58 | Neffi | Vladinator: Huh? |
| 20:09.59 | Vladinator | is the afk dog, walking? |
| 20:10.07 | neutronimity | I presume he is afk in order to be able to observe a walking dog. |
| 20:10.23 | Vladinator | Neffi: nvm me :P |
| 20:10.30 | Neffi | >_> |
| 20:10.55 | Vladinator | ok in short / lines ran from macros fire an event that runs trough the chat frame handler |
| 20:11.10 | Vladinator | so I wonder if blizzard ran the event on your end if it could run CastSpell for example :P |
| 20:11.26 | Mr_Rabies | i really wish DBM had settings profiles |
| 20:11.37 | Mr_Rabies | it's kind of a pain to keep it setup as you like it for alts |
| 20:11.41 | Neffi | It seems like WoW.exe likes to swap more often than I want it to. It'll unload nodes and shit relatively quickly, even with relevant distance settings at max. Considering I'm using 64-bit WoW and I have 6 GB of RAM, is there any way to coerce it into not limiting itself to ~800 MB? |
| 20:11.56 | Primer | disable swap |
| 20:12.16 | Mr_Rabies | mine always goes to about 1.2GB, neffi, that's weird :o |
| 20:12.23 | Neffi | I actually had swap disabled for a long time with great effects, but then a Flash update had a memory leak and things would crash |
| 20:12.31 | Mr_Rabies | 1.2-1.3 |
| 20:12.42 | Primer | the process itself has no control over what gets swapped |
| 20:12.53 | Primer | unless it "touches" all pieces of memory often |
| 20:13.07 | Neffi | Swap disabled nonetheless was a noticeable speedup sometimes |
| 20:13.27 | Neffi | But WoW would still limit itself to ~800 MB. And I can see it unloading things it doesn't really need to. |
| 20:13.54 | Neffi | Like ore nodes unloading when I'm still in range of seeing them on the minimap |
| 20:13.57 | Primer | you mean 800M of memory? |
| 20:14.01 | Neffi | yes |
| 20:14.07 | Primer | that's odd |
| 20:14.22 | Primer | I see my process consuming much more |
| 20:14.25 | Neffi | It very rarely goes above, but it refuses to hit the 1 GB mark |
| 20:14.48 | Neffi | I figured running the 64-bit client would help it along even |
| 20:14.51 | Neffi | It doesn't |
| 20:15.04 | Primer | well, considering a 32 bit client could consume up to 3G... |
| 20:15.12 | Primer | realistically, that is |
| 20:15.31 | Mr_Rabies | that seems to be something more with the networking stuff than swap, i think neffi |
| 20:15.39 | Primer | eh? |
| 20:15.44 | Primer | what would one have to do with the other? |
| 20:15.48 | Mr_Rabies | you can convince the game to update objects more rapidly by moving side to side instead of going in a straight line |
| 20:15.55 | Neffi | It's strange that a node appears, then unloads though. My network is top notch for the US. |
| 20:16.15 | Mr_Rabies | i think you're just seeing the same thing everyone else is |
| 20:16.46 | Primer | that's just draw distance? |
| 20:16.54 | Primer | nothing to do with "swap" |
| 20:17.02 | Neffi | All distances are at the max the CVar will allow |
| 20:17.21 | Vladinator | server loads only a certain range around you and is slow to load more new objects tbh :/ |
| 20:17.23 | Primer | you really have no way of knowing what's actually swapped |
| 20:17.26 | Neffi | Anyway, it's not a problem. I was just wondering if you guys had a solution to coerce WoW to be more liberal with my resources. |
| 20:18.18 | Primer | my wow process is regularly 1.5g on my machine |
| 20:18.47 | Mr_Rabies | yeah it is a bit weird that yours isn't going above 1 GB, but maybe we have more overhead due to addons or something |
| 20:19.03 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think that's related to the node thing, nodes are fickle and weird how they display |
| 20:19.25 | Kraps | lol http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/236017-the-for-your-realm-fyr-game/ |
| 20:19.27 | Primer | Not sure what addons have to do with anything... |
| 20:19.37 | Primer | I sound like a broken record, I know |
| 20:19.41 | Neffi | Well I do have my own UI written from scratch. Only like 1 MB of addons that aren't my own. And mine uses 2 MB max. |
| 20:19.53 | Neffi | But even if you had a massively wasteful UI, I've never seen one take more than about 40 MB. |
| 20:20.56 | Primer | 32607 daniel 20 0 2073m 946m 28m R 104.4 11.8 1:56.34 Wow.exe |
| 20:21.03 | Primer | but I just loaded it |
| 20:21.07 | Primer | that's in wine, of course |
| 20:21.31 | Neffi | Well your kernel is going to treat a lot of things differently |
| 20:22.08 | Neffi | Maybe it's part of how the kernel is treating the process that encourages WoW.exe to act differently in allocation |
| 20:22.55 | Vladinator | I feel weird today, not sure if it's because I am a bit sick. I just feel very missunderstood... :/ |
| 20:23.10 | Vladinator | going off for a while to eat and such, maybe it helps me feel better |
| 20:23.29 | znf | racist kernel |
| 20:23.44 | Neffi | Vlad: I feel your pain. I feel like I got the plague. =( |
| 20:23.49 | Primer | Neffi: Most modern operating systems aggressively swap out memory that's "seldom used", even if there's a ton of free memory |
| 20:24.00 | znf | casts Devouring Plague on Neffi |
| 20:24.01 | Primer | Mem: 8177368k total, 6631536k used, 1545832k free, 168652k buffers |
| 20:24.01 | Primer | Swap: 2097148k total, 185780k used, 1911368k free, 2355084k cached |
| 20:24.15 | Neffi | Linux has a kernel param for "swappiness" |
| 20:24.17 | Primer | ~2g free memory, yet 2.3g in swap...go figure |
| 20:24.26 | Neffi | I don't believe NT has such a user-accessible param |
| 20:24.35 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they integrate something like OpenRaid into WoW |
| 20:25.06 | Mr_Rabies | the raid finder/"Other Raid" tool could get some cross-realm lovin' |
| 20:27.26 | TC-Work | "dr. pepper is made with addictive mugwump jism and satan's ball sweat! if you drink it, you'll be cursed with a permanent priapism!" lulz |
| 20:28.47 | Primer | So I have two alchemists and want a weakaura for when "enhanced intellect" isn't up. How would I do that? |
| 20:28.59 | Primer | Can I do a comma separated list of character names? |
| 20:29.35 | Primer | seems not |
| 20:29.57 | foxlit | Maybe someday I'll allow you to write your own macro conditionals |
| 20:30.02 | Primer | There is no profession criterion |
| 20:30.34 | foxlit | [haveitem:12345] or something. |
| 20:31.58 | Primer | no such thing |
| 20:32.08 | Primer | as far as I can tell |
| 20:32.15 | Primer | triggers want auras or events |
| 20:32.21 | foxlit | the line before that is of consequence |
| 20:33.20 | Primer | so wtf, fix it |
| 20:33.50 | foxlit | It's one of the many non-trivial things that could be interesting to do. |
| 20:34.55 | Primer | So basically copy the aura and use one for each toon |
| 20:34.58 | Primer | bah |
| 20:51.24 | Neffi | foxlit: What do you need, a macro parser with custom conditionals? |
| 20:51.37 | foxlit | that sounds about right. |
| 20:52.16 | Neffi | Maybe I'll write one soon |
| 20:52.40 | Neffi | It could be an interesting little project. I want to write a parser just for the hell of it, so I can get a bit better with patterns. |
| 20:53.06 | Neffi | I'll put it under MIT license so you can use it |
| 20:53.32 | foxlit | It's not to say that I actually need it; it's just a nice thing to have around. |
| 20:54.26 | foxlit | it should probably work in combat. |
| 20:55.30 | Neffi | Well it won't be able to hook the chat frame's parser, because the slash-command part that handles macros pipes directly to CastSpell, etc |
| 20:56.03 | Neffi | It'll have to just be a simple library that you can handle a macro string and have the info returned, like SecureCmdOptionsParse, but with the ability to do custom conditionals on top of the default |
| 20:56.11 | Neffi | s/handle/hand/ |
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| 20:59.37 | foxlit | Neffi: that's nice, but you should totally add "and it's callable from the restricted environment while in combat" |
| 20:59.50 | Vladinator | you know the WTCG where you gather cards and send them in so you can get back a card of your choice? |
| 21:00.05 | Vladinator | these archaeology fragment cards |
| 21:00.06 | Neffi | You can't really make it callable from a restricted environment AFAIK |
| 21:00.13 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure that's impossible |
| 21:00.21 | Neffi | But why do you need it to be? |
| 21:00.38 | foxlit | Because that's where I keep all my stuff. |
| 21:00.59 | Neffi | You mean the addon wants to use it as a filter for doing something secure? |
| 21:01.02 | Neffi | Not gonna be possible |
| 21:01.41 | nevcairiel | foxlit: if you implement the function in secure code and all your conditions are only based on information you can retrieve in secure code...... :P |
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| 21:02.26 | Neffi | Which is pretty much limited to all conditionals that already exist |
| 21:02.33 | Neffi | Maybe a couple more could be implemented, but I don't know. |
| 21:02.59 | Neffi | I haven't learned enough about the secure environment. When I finally make nfActionBar I'll understand it much better. |
| 21:03.20 | foxlit | nevcairiel: well, and anything you can sneak in there while out of combat |
| 21:03.26 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 21:04.02 | Neffi | If it's something people depend on mid boss-fight, it's gonna be quirky. Because you don't drop combat in a boss fight, so something may suddenly not work for them because the addon never had the chance to change it |
| 21:04.11 | Neffi | Which violates the principle of least surprise in a bad way |
| 21:04.55 | Vladinator | kind of shame, but the crafting programme for wow trading card game, it doesn't give you the in-game items sadly, only card version ^^ kind of a lot of work for just another card tbh :D |
| 21:05.33 | Neffi | They seriously need to tweak questing |
| 21:05.34 | foxlit | The real question is what sort of functionality you could add that'd also work reasonably around combat lockdown |
| 21:05.50 | Neffi | XP gains are so high nowadays that (without looms or perks) I outlevel an area before finishing even half the quests there |
| 21:06.00 | Neffi | I waste more time travelling for new quests than really leveling |
| 21:06.14 | nevcairiel | yeah its annoying |
| 21:06.21 | foxlit | I understand if your answer is "nothing", but I think it there might be a few things where it might just work properly. Obviously, nobody is going to let you implement [playthegameforme] :) |
| 21:06.22 | Neffi | foxlit: Give them access to the state system, instead of just macro conditionals |
| 21:06.26 | nevcairiel | i even have a damn loom |
| 21:06.30 | nevcairiel | should get rid of it :p |
| 21:06.38 | Vladinator | I have heirlooms and can finish outland in just 2 zones, max :P |
| 21:06.47 | Neffi | But when you hit like 70 suddenly it slows down, which is a bitch |
| 21:06.53 | Vladinator | by the time I am done with hellfire I am 65 :3 |
| 21:06.56 | foxlit | Neffi: what, exactly, is the difference? |
| 21:07.30 | Neffi | foxlit: I don't know much about it, but what I'm saying is give them more open access to directly changing the mechanics of your addon, instead of just an abstracted layer based on macros |
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| 21:08.04 | foxlit | That doesn't sound reasonable. I very much like abstracted layers :) |
| 21:08.25 | Vladinator | but this way it's easier for them to limit what you can do in combat ^^ |
| 21:08.31 | foxlit | besides, who'd want to change their macros every time I decide to change addon internals? |
| 21:08.32 | Neffi | I mean I'm biased: case in point, all config in my addons must be done via tables (building frames) and hand-written functions. The user gets access to everything, the addon just servers as an event multiplexer and thunker so the relevant info is availab to the user without calling things like UnitHealth. |
| 21:09.16 | foxlit | Neffi: you should just ship Notepad and tell people to write their own addon :) |
| 21:09.23 | foxlit | Hm, maybe bundle Notepad and AceEvent :P |
| 21:09.33 | Neffi | It's sorta like that |
| 21:09.40 | Neffi | Except I use a more barebones lib. Ace is big. |
| 21:10.14 | Neffi | But each individual addon still does the tedious parts for you, like listening to events, getting the relevant data, and sending only relevant info to the config. |
| 21:10.46 | foxlit | Neffi: link an addon? |
| 21:10.52 | Neffi | Sec |
| 21:11.04 | Neffi | My Google Code is way out of date, so I'm gonna pastebin a config file |
| 21:12.21 | Neffi | Config for unit frames -> target: http://pastebin.com/Aammq9vv. And config for combat text -> target: http://pastebin.com/Q4xPPMpS |
| 21:12.55 | Neffi | The idea is the base addon handles just the basic infrastructure associated with its particular domain, and the config actually implements the "addon" around that thin infrastructure. |
| 21:13.09 | foxlit | I heavily dislike the idea of getting users to write code. |
| 21:13.23 | Neffi | Well that's a total extreme |
| 21:13.32 | Neffi | But giving them a system that has more access is not necessarily bad |
| 21:13.47 | foxlit | and Lua-based configurations, too. |
| 21:13.57 | Neffi | I write mine because that's precisely how *I* like things to be. Maybe other people do to, so I will release it. |
| 21:14.31 | foxlit | But no promises about you not changing stuff so that their code will need changing in the future? |
| 21:14.46 | foxlit | How does upgrading even work, with user changes? :) |
| 21:14.52 | Neffi | The basic infrastructure is simple enough that that's not a problem |
| 21:15.06 | Neffi | I literally rewrote every piece of code in the base and libraries over several times, and my config didn't need to be changed. |
| 21:15.24 | Neffi | The only part that's interfacing the core is the name of the "update" (custom events) and the args they pass. |
| 21:15.36 | Neffi | They can save their config off if they want |
| 21:15.45 | Neffi | If they're not experienced in Lua, this isn't something they're gonna want to get into |
| 21:16.14 | Neffi | But everything is folder-safe, so they can even maintain multiple copies of the addon and they will still fucntion concurrently or under their new name (if you change the .toc name as well) |
| 21:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | oh my god foxlit |
| 21:17.29 | Mr_Rabies | this is amazing |
| 21:17.40 | Mr_Rabies | it's hands down one of the smoothest addons i've ever used |
| 21:17.52 | Vladinator | what addon? :) |
| 21:18.06 | Primer | indeed...inquiring minds want to know... |
| 21:18.19 | Vladinator | is it the farm addon that uses opie? |
| 21:18.41 | Primer | I thought was just a screen shot |
| 21:19.25 | Mr_Rabies | OPie, Vladinator |
| 21:20.05 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: I'm really happy to hear that :) |
| 21:20.36 | TC-Work | Mr_Rabies: please refrain from ego stroking. Thank You. |
| 21:23.49 | Unkle | In this case, it's ok TC. foxlit did a bang-up job on OPie. I owe him a beer or three. |
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| 21:32.27 | Mr_Rabies | it seriously looks and acts unlike any addon i've used |
| 21:33.44 | Ressy | which? |
| 21:37.22 | Primer | Probably because what it does is unique? I mean, heck, I wrote an addon that "looks and acts unlike any addon [I]'ve used" |
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| 21:39.59 | Primer | I think my addon is the shit, but considering the amount of downloads I get, that sentiment is not widely shared |
| 21:40.43 | Mr_Rabies | which addon, primer? |
| 21:40.59 | Primer | FlightHUD |
| 21:41.13 | Vladinator | why does watching The Day after Tomorrow feel like Independence Day? :P |
| 21:41.43 | Primer | because you like post-apocalyptic movies? |
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| 21:42.14 | Vladinator | no I mean the story elements it uses, a lot are common:P |
| 21:42.21 | Primer | not really |
| 21:42.42 | Vladinator | don't know, just getting some vibes of similarity, sue me |
| 21:42.45 | Primer | About the only thing they have in common is an apocalyptic event |
| 21:42.53 | Mr_Rabies | Roland Emmerich, Vladinator |
| 21:42.54 | Mr_Rabies | that's why |
| 21:42.58 | Vladinator | :D |
| 21:43.04 | Vladinator | I know ^^ |
| 21:43.22 | Mr_Rabies | furthermore, http://www.imdb.com/search/name?roles=tt0116629,tt0319262 |
| 21:44.58 | g0urra | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxIMzSjunE4 |
| 21:54.39 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/err.png << debating whether to add the orange line or not. |
| 21:55.29 | Ackis | for you americans, free tetris for hte android: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ref=nav_sap_mas_12_09_14?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B0066T8OH0 |
| 21:56.31 | nilyaK | may I suggest that orange is very close to red, how close are those colours if one is red/green colourblind? do you want them to be different from the green? Does the default world filter fix UI stuff too? /idk |
| 21:57.12 | nilyaK | EA gives something out for free? this has to be a scam. |
| 21:57.21 | foxlit | nilyaK: how does one conventionally solve that problem? |
| 21:58.15 | nilyaK | I'm not sure I was just thinking on it :X I suppose blue would be a better colour unless one were completely colourblind |
| 21:58.20 | nilyaK | or yellow but yellow sucks to read |
| 22:00.11 | foxlit | Hm, blue isn't used much, and isn't really associated with a warning |
| 22:01.07 | nilyaK | I used that as more of an informative tooltip thing |
| 22:01.22 | Vladinator | free app by EA |
| 22:01.29 | nilyaK | like 'requires enchanting' or 'requires champion to use this skin' |
| 22:01.29 | Vladinator | probably a virus or tracking software |
| 22:01.43 | Arrowmaster | nilyaK: PvZ, Bejeweled, and now Tetris have all been free app of the days on amazon |
| 22:02.23 | Arrowmaster | PvZ is the only one i dont have because it was the first days and i didnt have an android yet |
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| 22:07.56 | Unkle | foxlit the data is good, the color makes me want to stab my eyes. |
| 22:08.28 | foxlit | carrots! |
| 22:09.03 | foxlit | But yeah, switching over to RED_FONT_COLOR_CODE instead. With any luck, that also provides someone an opportunity to substitute a color they don't mind. |
| 22:10.24 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6551925339 |
| 22:10.30 | Kraps | you're welcome |
| 22:12.31 | Unkle | *stab* |
| 22:12.49 | Kraps | noooooo |
| 22:19.42 | Vladinator | this makes me giggle http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44330 :D |
| 22:19.55 | Vladinator | I hope that macro ends up on useful macro guides |
| 22:19.58 | Vladinator | would be so funny |
| 22:21.53 | Unkle | what, crashing the client for eventually running out of memory is funny? |
| 22:22.26 | Vladinator | ^_^ |
| 22:22.41 | Vladinator | because people that write guides should know what their guides contain and its funny when they don't? :D |
| 22:23.39 | Ressy | oh sweet. badboy is reporting battle.net invites now. :) |
| 22:23.48 | Unkle | cf meaning of the word "wiki" |
| 22:24.07 | Vladinator | :D |
| 22:27.12 | Vladinator | it's funny when you find some old can with some food in the back on the top of the shelf you never use :D |
| 22:27.24 | Vladinator | "best before 2006" jummy! |
| 22:27.35 | Vladinator | w* :P |
| 22:27.38 | Vladinator | y* |
| 22:28.54 | haste | I have some spices with best before 2003 |
| 22:29.13 | haste | seems to have lost some flavor only |
| 22:29.20 | Vladinator | this is a can of corn |
| 22:29.24 | Vladinator | wonder how it tastes |
| 22:33.11 | Vladinator | I have a question, since carbonite is so popular mainly because the awesome map, why hasn't anyone else made a map like that? :P |
| 22:33.22 | Stanzilla | cartographer 3 |
| 22:33.40 | haste | Semlar is doing something similar I think |
| 22:33.48 | Vladinator | ye |
| 22:34.05 | Vladinator | I noticed, I just personally cba to dive into writing some framework for it lol |
| 22:35.30 | Vladinator | I can't find cartographer 3 |
| 22:35.32 | Vladinator | :P |
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| 22:38.07 | Amarande | I find that mapster has been giving me the map functionality I wanted these days |
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| 22:38.22 | Amarande | it pretty much duplicates the same features of Cartographer that I used to find most beloved |
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| 22:44.19 | mckenziemc | food-poisons Vladinator |
| 22:44.34 | Vladinator | dies. |
| 22:45.23 | mckenziemc | feeds Torhal Vladinator-burger. |
| 22:46.32 | Esamynn|work | ~whaleslap mckenziemc |
| 22:46.33 | purl | ACTION beats mckenziemc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:47.07 | mckenziemc | jerk :( |
| 22:47.22 | Vladinator | says the guy who cut me into burgers and fed me to Torhal |
| 22:47.35 | mckenziemc | psh |
| 22:47.55 | Torhal | That was my stand-in. I can't ever go AFK with mckenziemc around - he freakishly stalks me. |
| 22:48.37 | mckenziemc | grafts Torhal to a corn stalk |
| 22:49.01 | Vladinator | :P |
| 22:49.32 | Vladinator | Torhal how are you? |
| 22:50.02 | Vladinator | Semlar: OMG I got an epic idea! |
| 22:50.06 | Vladinator | You here, Semlar? |
| 22:50.18 | Esamynn|work | ~gag Vladinator |
| 22:50.18 | purl | ACTION takes away the voice of Vladinator and, as an additional precaution, sews Vladinator's mouth shut permanently... |
| 22:50.27 | Torhal | Vladinator: Meh. You? |
| 22:50.31 | Vladinator | :P |
| 22:50.36 | Vladinator | I am going to bed soon. |
| 22:50.41 | Vladinator | Headache |
| 22:50.46 | Vladinator | yesterday and a little today |
| 22:50.50 | Torhal | mckenziemc has that tendency. |
| 22:51.12 | Vladinator | Here is my idea, Semlar can read it later. |
| 22:51.19 | Vladinator | Minimap textures unload when not used, right? |
| 22:51.26 | Vladinator | Like when you go inside buildings and such |
| 22:51.34 | Vladinator | Why not simply COPY all the textures in your addon folder? |
| 22:51.37 | Vladinator | tada problem solved |
| 22:53.48 | Vladinator | The room remains silent, speechless because of my awesomeness! |
| 22:54.05 | Esamynn|work | wishes that gag command actually worked |
| 23:03.52 | Vladinator | going to bed |
| 23:03.56 | Vladinator | Torhal let's chat more tomorrow ;) |
| 23:03.57 | Vladinator | gn |
| 23:04.12 | Torhal | If I still live, perhaps. |
| 23:04.13 | Torhal | G'night. |
| 23:06.30 | foxlit | Is there a setting to change where the default GameTooltip appears? |
| 23:15.15 | znf | can't you change it's anchor? |
| 23:15.25 | znf | with :SetPoint ? |
| 23:15.28 | foxlit | It tends to disintegrate. |
| 23:15.40 | znf | that's a cool sideeffect |
| 23:16.30 | foxlit | wanted a screenshot like http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/spade/images/4-plant-removal/ |
| 23:16.42 | foxlit | ended up faking it by resizing UIParent. |
| 23:17.16 | znf | is the alt (or any other modifier) required? |
| 23:17.28 | znf | I haven't done the farming there at all on the beta |
| 23:17.42 | znf | So not sure how the mechanics work, I'm assuming it's like farmville |
| 23:17.58 | znf | Oh, god my question answered. Nevermind :) |
| 23:18.01 | foxlit | The out-of-the-box client mechanics work like this: you target the plant, and then you search your bags for the shovel. |
| 23:18.38 | Primer | or your bar? |
| 23:19.12 | foxlit | If you put it there, sure. |
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| 23:20.07 | foxlit | I'm forcing the Alt on that one because you probably don't want to accidentally remove plants while right-clicking. |
| 23:20.27 | Primer | hrmm, I wonder how long it'd take to integrate the wowace/curseforge web based localization into my addon |
| 23:20.54 | Primer | Seems all my translators abandoned me |
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| 23:22.34 | foxlit | The UI is ridiculously inconvinient. |
| 23:22.55 | Primer | as opposed to just editing a file and committing? |
| 23:23.32 | foxlit | Nah, that's worse. |
| 23:23.48 | Primer | sigh, eclipse's svn integration is giving me gried connecting to wowace's svn |
| 23:23.52 | Primer | grief, even |
| 23:24.36 | Primer | svn+ssh just doesn't work in eclipse, but works fine from the command line |
| 23:25.47 | Primer | Folder '' doesn't exist remotely |
| 23:26.00 | Amarande | gah, blizz, why do you do this |
| 23:26.23 | Amarande | apparently, I just discovered that something - tools updates, probably - can involuntarily reverse your downloader preferences |
| 23:26.34 | Amarande | as in, reset you to allowing upload transfers even if you turned it off in the past :| |
| 23:27.08 | mckenziemc | you say you apparently just discovered this |
| 23:27.09 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 23:27.39 | Amarande | mckenziemc: yup. |
| 23:27.46 | Amarande | you mean it's always done this every tools update? |
| 23:27.57 | Ressy | yes |
| 23:27.58 | Amarande | shakes fist ... BLIZZZZZZZZARD |
| 23:28.10 | Amarande | Ressy: any particular reason for this? |
| 23:28.21 | Amarande | usually, tools updates tend to be around the same time as major patches |
| 23:28.30 | Amarande | and it's usually around major patches where people actually *care* about having P2P upload disabled |
| 23:28.40 | Ressy | Its because of the agent. |
| 23:28.42 | Amarande | because they don't want to use a significant portion of their cable or DSL provider's cap serving the patch to strangers |
| 23:28.59 | Primer | So I switch it to the pure java svn client, and now it wants to unlock my ssh key for me! WTF, I have ssh agent for that! |
| 23:29.04 | Primer | POS |
| 23:29.07 | mckenziemc | it's a conspiracy |
| 23:29.10 | Amarande | you'd think there'd be an options file somewhere though, with a setting, "EnableP2P=false" or something like that. |
| 23:29.15 | Ressy | There is. |
| 23:29.18 | Amarande | you'd think there'd be no particular reason for a tools update to touch that option. |
| 23:29.27 | kd3 | the option's in the registry |
| 23:29.37 | Ressy | option's also in launcher's options menu |
| 23:29.50 | Amarande | kd3: huh. why is it not in the text based config files like the rest of WoW's configuration? |
| 23:30.00 | kd3 | because the launcher is special |
| 23:30.29 | Ressy | Amarande: Open launcher. Select "Options" Downloader Options. |
| 23:30.35 | Ressy | Uncheck 2nd checkmark |
| 23:30.46 | Ressy | voila, done. |
| 23:31.30 | Amarande | Ressy: yeah, but you're saying every major patch pretty much, we have to specifically remember to go back into the options or we'll be serving a few gigs to strangers by the time we finish downloading ours? |
| 23:31.44 | Ressy | uh, no. |
| 23:31.49 | Amarande | what I'm saying is they ought to be making it STAY unchecked through tools updates |
| 23:31.49 | Ressy | That option sticks |
| 23:31.51 | g0urra | why are you making this such a huge deal? |
| 23:32.06 | kd3 | it's amarande, g0urra. everything's a big deal |
| 23:32.12 | Ressy | What you DONT have the option for, is sharing the tools patch. |
| 23:32.13 | g0urra | oh yeah.. |
| 23:32.23 | Ressy | patches however, you do have the option |
| 23:34.15 | Ressy | But even then.. Tools patches only share for however long it takes you to patch your tools to up to date. |
| 23:34.19 | Ressy | ie.. Usually under 10 seconds |
| 23:34.40 | Amarande | yeah, it was the patches I was concerned about, and I noticed today's hotfix was sharing even though I had definitely told WoW not to share |
| 23:34.47 | Amarande | although, yeah, the registry thing would have been it |
| 23:35.01 | Amarande | this installation of WoW was copied over from the backup hard drive after switching to the new HD, so settings not in the WoW folder would be gone |
| 23:35.23 | Amarande | not sure why you guys keep it in the registry instead of the WoW folder though like everything else :S |
| 23:35.38 | Ressy | cuz everything in the wow folder gets overwritten? |
| 23:36.48 | mckenziemc | "today's hotfix was sharing" |
| 23:36.53 | mckenziemc | what's wrong with this |
| 23:37.00 | Ressy | hotfixes are server side |
| 23:37.01 | nebula169 | i sure hope it was shared |
| 23:37.01 | Ressy | lmao |
| 23:37.12 | Amarande | mckenziemc: well, the small client side patch we received as part of it, anyway |
| 23:37.19 | Ressy | which was 3 days ago |
| 23:37.23 | Ressy | 2 if in EU |
| 23:37.39 | Amarande | no, not 5.0.5 ... I'd notice if I was missing 5.0.5, I've been playing the last few days |
| 23:37.44 | Amarande | there was a minipatch today |
| 23:38.05 | Ressy | no, there wasn't. |
| 23:38.10 | Ressy | Nothing is on distro servers. |
| 23:38.13 | Ressy | May have been a tools patch |
| 23:38.16 | Ressy | but not an actual patch |
| 23:38.24 | Amarande | but, I was more concerned about the possibility of the settings ninja reversing themselves to "share please!" when the 25th rolls around and the patch is presumably large |
| 23:38.39 | Ressy | actually, EU got 5.0.5a yesterday, US the day before |
| 23:39.08 | Amarande | Ressy: and with how many fixes are needed for crz, we'll be up to "5.0.5wtf" by the time Panda hits? :) |
| 23:39.19 | Ressy | As I've told you before. |
| 23:39.24 | Ressy | CRZ fixes are all server-side |
| 23:40.18 | Amarande | ah, this might be 5.0.5a, although if it came out Wednesday why did it not download till now? |
| 23:40.30 | Amarande | it was apparently considered a full-blown patch since "load out of date addons" was reset again |
| 23:40.44 | kd3 | any time the version number changes load out of date gets reset |
| 23:40.53 | Ressy | Looks like it released.... 19 hrs ago? |
| 23:40.59 | Ressy | roughly. |
| 23:41.19 | mckenziemc | version number as in build number, right? |
| 23:41.23 | kd3 | yah |
| 23:41.53 | Ressy | Yeah. They've only ever double patched a single build. |
| 23:42.19 | mckenziemc | huh? |
| 23:42.47 | kd3 | they had to rerelease one patch because a tools update broke it |
| 23:42.49 | Ressy | They re-released a single patch in the past, due to forgetting to include required files in the original push. |
| 23:42.52 | nilyaK | Cheat Death can now only absorb up to twice the rogue's maximum health. |
| 23:42.54 | nilyaK | -.- |
| 23:43.07 | Amarande | nilyaK, my reaction to that was "it took them THAT long to figure out that was a good idea?" |
| 23:43.21 | nilyaK | pmuch |
| 23:43.35 | Amarande | especially since I've been around long enough to remember some "fun" things with Cheat Death |
| 23:43.52 | Amarande | like at one point it apparently, after absorbing the fatal hit, would reduce damage by *99%* instead of what it should have |
| 23:43.53 | Arrowmaster | i remember the first version of it |
| 23:44.26 | Ressy | http://www.wowpedia.org/Patch_4.0.3a#Re-release |
| 23:44.27 | Amarande | the odd thing is I've never used the ability myself, mostly due to the fact that I tend to get bored with rogues before I level them that high |
| 23:44.45 | Arrowmaster | when my friend was basically the reason it got nerfed, doing arenas in full raid gear with both the swords from illidian |
| 23:45.11 | Amarande | and besides, do rogues really need any *more* advantages in pvp? :P |
| 23:45.28 | Amarande | it'd be like adding a new rule to baseball to give an additional advantage to the Yankees |
| 23:45.28 | Arrowmaster | i used it leveling my rogue too on that first version but then they nerfed it to depend on resilence and it completely sucked for leveling |
| 23:46.06 | Amarande | mind you, blizz has not been averse to handing out additional advantages to already superior pvp players in the past anyway |
| 23:46.17 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: or the NCAA selection rules? |
| 23:46.28 | Amarande | it's the main reason I thought (and still do) that giving arena gear a rating requirement was a dumb idea |
| 23:46.53 | Amarande | Arrow: you mean the ones for the B(C)S? |
| 23:46.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 23:47.03 | Amarande | there's a reason I don't take college football seriously :P |
| 23:47.21 | Amarande | because it's well known that it's all about making sure that the big bowl games all mostly go to the same colleges so they can count on a nice cash infusion from a sponsor every year |
| 23:47.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont take most sports seriously but that one is just silly |
| 23:48.17 | Amarande | otoh, devil's advocate thought, sometimes I wonder if it could severely impact *non-jock* students of the same colleges if they had a proper tournament and a school accustomed to getting a lot of sports-related funding failed one or two years |
| 23:48.19 | Arrowmaster | isnt notre dame guarenteed to be in a bowl game every year? |
| 23:48.33 | Amarande | pretty much. I think there's some very specific circumstance under which they can fail to qualify, but it practically never happens |
| 23:48.49 | Amarande | it's pretty much like the six-piece hunter dungeon set bonus in 4.0.1, heh |
| 23:49.02 | Semlar | vladinator: the minimap textures are available in-game, they just are a little complicated to put together |
| 23:50.11 | Amarande | It pretty much is kind of equivalent to if MLB decided to change the playoffs rules so that the Yankees virtually always got in :P |
| 23:51.07 | Amarande | (And you could probably argue that would be a financial boost as well, since it's known that TV ratings - and thus one of the big income sources - for the MLB playoffs drop like a stone if the last few teams are not from the large markets like New York and California) |
