| 00:00.31 | Amarande | ah, the wonders of world glitches |
| 00:00.38 | Amarande | I remember reading about this particularly "fun" one |
| 00:00.49 | Esamynn|work | not originally they weren't! ;) |
| 00:00.54 | Amarande | guy and his buddy were going to Stratholme and somehow managed to bug through the instance portal |
| 00:01.09 | Amarande | so they were still on the main world ... well back then, if that happened and you went to the end of the visible corridor |
| 00:01.13 | Amarande | you'd fall through the world map |
| 00:01.18 | Amarande | and one of the guys ... well ... owie. |
| 00:01.24 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 00:01.27 | Amarande | he not only fell through the world, he did it on a very slight angle |
| 00:01.38 | Amarande | so instead of going straight down he was moving a little south as he fell |
| 00:01.47 | Amarande | I think he actually ended up needing a GM to get him out |
| 00:01.51 | Esamynn|work | yah, I remember doing that once or twice |
| 00:02.04 | Esamynn|work | all you had to do was have something that prevented you from zoning |
| 00:02.05 | Amarande | since otherwise, he'd pretty much have had to wait till he went out the end past Stranglethorn ... *shudder* |
| 00:02.09 | Esamynn|work | there was no wall behind the portal |
| 00:02.23 | Amarande | Hearth? Can't do that while moving. Teleport? Can't do that while moving ... |
| 00:02.52 | Amarande | Basically, he was falling forever with no way out because anything that might actually be able to get him out would give CDTWM |
| 00:03.17 | Esamynn|work | warlock summon |
| 00:03.42 | Amarande | yeah, that will help |
| 00:03.46 | mckenziemc | way back when i was leveling my first character i think i got disconnected (heh) on a flight to orgrimmar; when i logged back in me and the npcs that hang out on the top of the tower fell under the world |
| 00:03.55 | Amarande | I still remember the infamous rut in Burning Steppes |
| 00:04.01 | Amarande | don't know if it's still there since the shattering |
| 00:04.02 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
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| 00:04.08 | Amarande | it was towards the south end, there was this tiny little rut |
| 00:04.13 | mckenziemc | i think the game showed the npcs all die (which doesn't really make sense but idk) but i kept falling :( |
| 00:04.33 | Amarande | it was just big enough to fit in, just steep enough to not let you climb out and just far enough away from any nearby mobs that you couldn't just wait to die |
| 00:04.57 | Amarande | and of course back then you couldn't fly in Azeroth, either |
| 00:05.13 | mckenziemc | i noticed i was slowly drifting sideways on the minimap and eventually got to where a river would be, then heard a splash and it let me hearth out |
| 00:05.13 | Amarande | and guess who falls in there while farming thorium and has a half hour left on their hearthstone :P |
| 00:05.22 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 00:05.25 | Amarande | I literally had to have a *warlock* summoned by a warlock |
| 00:05.36 | mckenziemc | i think there's still a pit in netherstorm where you can get stuck |
| 00:05.50 | mckenziemc | by one of the mana forges |
| 00:05.59 | mckenziemc | well you can fly out now |
| 00:06.01 | Amarande | mckenziemc, except there presumably you'd just get on your flying mount to get out |
| 00:06.28 | Amarande | I imagine Blizzard didn't really think much about Netherstorm for non-flyers, anyway |
| 00:06.42 | mckenziemc | i got stuck in there below level 70 before you could fly before 70 |
| 00:06.50 | mckenziemc | Amarande: it's a 68-70 zone... |
| 00:06.51 | Amarande | pretty sure they expected you would have flight when you got there |
| 00:07.21 | Amarande | yeah, nominally it's 67-70, but if you're following the usual quest progression (and doing dungeons as the quests pop up), there really wasn't much chance you were going to get there before 70 |
| 00:07.34 | Amarande | IIRC, even in BC people tended to hit 70 in Blade's Edge or Nagrand |
| 00:07.47 | mckenziemc | assuming you quest in all the zones, which was not necessary |
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| 00:08.11 | Esamynn|work | has been able to fly since lvl 68 |
| 00:08.13 | Esamynn|work | suckers! |
| 00:08.24 | Amarande | Flying at 60 is a big improvement. :) |
| 00:08.36 | Amarande | In fact, I will now definitely not go to Outland at 58 on any character |
| 00:08.51 | Esamynn|work | won't ever go to outland again |
| 00:09.08 | Amarande | It's just THAT more convenient to stick it out just two more levels so you can have a flying mount for Hellfire |
| 00:09.12 | mckenziemc | ports Esamynn|work to Outlad. |
| 00:09.17 | mckenziemc | Outland* |
| 00:09.26 | Amarande | Of course, now I play Alliance, and I think the convenience factor is actually much greater for Horde |
| 00:09.45 | Amarande | (mainly, I seem to recall Horde had to spend a lot more time in and around bloody flaming Zeth'Gor) |
| 00:09.58 | Esamynn|work | I suppose I shouldn't say never, but I don't ever intend to level a character again |
| 00:10.05 | Esamynn|work | (from below 60) |
| 00:10.26 | mckenziemc | i'm approaching the 50 character limit on my main account :D |
| 00:10.39 | Semlar | :| |
| 00:10.56 | Amarande | I only have 6 characters on my account atm |
| 00:11.10 | Amarande | of which I haven't played the four Horde ones in ages |
| 00:11.23 | Amarande | and one of the Alliance ones is more or less stalled until a fix is forthcoming for Gilneas |
| 00:11.29 | Amarande | so I shall have a seventh soon heh |
| 00:11.42 | mckenziemc | i just told you it works :-/ |
| 00:12.03 | Amarande | mckenziemc: yeah, if dumb luck is on your side apparently |
| 00:12.09 | mckenziemc | no |
| 00:12.26 | Amarande | I'd rather wait and see if they can fix it so each attempt isn't a gamble as to whether I'm about to waste my next fifteen minutes of game time |
| 00:12.46 | Amarande | I think you said it had to do with whether the friendly NPCs didn't decide to be dumb? |
| 00:12.54 | Amarande | which afaik would be pretty much dumb luck |
| 00:13.02 | mckenziemc | no |
| 00:13.16 | mckenziemc | it's not luck, it's that *sometimes* they glitch and take longer |
| 00:13.23 | mckenziemc | usually they glitch but don't take too long |
| 00:14.09 | mckenziemc | they almost always get stuck by where the mailbox would be (it's not present in the battle version of the area) but free themselves after a bit, and liam waits for a minute at gorerot |
| 00:14.27 | mckenziemc | other than that the two places that can glitch usually don't |
| 00:14.59 | mckenziemc | (rigth before the mailbox was were they spread out on my first attempt, plus there were a bunch of forsaken around sylvanas on the first attempt) |
| 00:15.07 | mckenziemc | was where* |
| 00:15.46 | mckenziemc | it's been like this forever and i've leveled *a lot* of worgen |
| 00:17.07 | mckenziemc | and have experienced the battle resetting a few times but not enough to make it something i dread |
| 00:19.36 | Esamynn|work | nevcairiel: do you have a machine where you can reproduce that lua problem yourself? |
| 00:20.06 | Kraps | any of you still play rift? |
| 00:20.50 | mckenziemc | no Kraps |
| 00:20.53 | mckenziemc | wow killed rift |
| 00:20.57 | Kraps | heh |
| 00:22.05 | Amarande | heh |
| 00:22.09 | Amarande | they made the chess event harder. |
| 00:22.13 | Amarande | harder enough to warrant a patch note. |
| 00:22.19 | Amarande | how does the chess event get harder ... Medivh cheats more? |
| 00:23.29 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 00:25.48 | mckenziemc | Amarande: i guess i wasn't resto, evidently i never actually chose a spec o.o |
| 00:28.36 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 00:29.30 | Amarande | wow, apparently that spam of skill relearning you sometimes get on zoning is not so innocent, either |
| 00:29.40 | Amarande | it can actually easily get you killed if you're using a random mount addon |
| 00:29.58 | Esamynn|work | last night I was getting DC'd whenever I crossed one of those boundries, is that common? |
| 00:30.10 | Esamynn|work | how so? |
| 00:30.22 | Amarande | Esamynn: at least one person has been reporting that DC issue, saying it makes archaeology in particular suck mightily. has not happened to me |
| 00:30.37 | Amarande | apparently, when that skill spam happens, the order of your mounts in the game's memory gets shuffled |
| 00:30.58 | Amarande | depending on the addon, a lot of people expect to get a flying mount when they click "random mount" and next thing find themselves jumping off a cliff to their death |
| 00:31.08 | Esamynn|work | ROFL |
| 00:31.18 | Esamynn|work | it's good to be a Druid =D |
| 00:31.42 | Primer | hehe nice |
| 00:31.44 | Amarande | yup, or it will be once I manage to get the battle of Gilneas to cooperate |
| 00:32.03 | Amarande | anyway, afk a bit |
| 00:32.27 | Esamynn|work | pfft, Worgen |
| 00:32.39 | Esamynn|work | amateurs |
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| 00:33.39 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/YcRqP.jpg worgen? |
| 00:34.57 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 00:35.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HRVh9.jpg worgen skydiving |
| 00:35.53 | Kraps | is 118 MB of addon a lot |
| 00:36.01 | Semlar | it's gettin there |
| 00:37.36 | Semlar | do you have a bunch of music or something |
| 00:38.36 | Shirik | let's put it this way |
| 00:38.41 | Shirik | 118MB is more than Auctioneer typically uses |
| 00:40.14 | Esamynn|work | 118MB is waaaay more than the typical Auctioneer, isn't it? |
| 00:40.35 | Semlar | i exported a database of every spell in the game, it was 4mb |
| 00:40.50 | Esamynn|work | also, I suspect Kraps meant HDD space, not memory |
| 00:40.52 | Semlar | i don't know how you'd get to 118mb without media |
| 00:41.22 | Semlar | that spell database used over 40mb of memory because lol tables |
| 00:42.26 | Esamynn|work | I was gonna say ;) |
| 00:42.39 | Esamynn|work | though it really depends on how you store it |
| 00:42.40 | Semlar | >_> |
| 00:42.58 | Esamynn|work | hash indicies are 2.5 times the size of array indicies |
| 00:43.13 | Semlar | well the spell ids aren't all consecutive |
| 00:43.22 | Semlar | and i just used those for the keys |
| 00:43.38 | Semlar | and i also exported way more data than i needed |
| 00:44.30 | Semlar | i'm sure it could have been done more efficiently |
| 00:44.42 | foxlit | darn it, Oracle |
| 00:44.57 | foxlit | "important security update" asks you to install the Ask.com toolbar and switch your default search provider. |
| 00:45.42 | Dagmar | Yeah I kinda think it shoulnd't try and default those to on for a security update |
| 00:45.51 | Esamynn|work | fucking Oracle |
| 00:45.53 | Dagmar | It's way too much like an excuse to try to "upsell" people into using that |
| 00:46.12 | Dagmar | PDFcreator was catching a little flak about that |
| 00:49.02 | Amarande | heh, actually a major reason I picked worgen is to try to keep the NE starting experience refreshing and new for a bit |
| 00:49.10 | Amarande | since I plan for my monk to be a NE when MoP hits |
| 00:50.24 | Shirik | fuck you microsoft |
| 00:50.33 | Shirik | It's ok to rename a file from ".lock" to something else |
| 00:50.38 | Amarande | Shirik: Windows hose itself? |
| 00:50.41 | Shirik | but as soon as you try to rename it back to ".lock" |
| 00:50.44 | Shirik | "YOU MUST TYPE A FILE NAME" |
| 00:50.47 | Shirik | THAT IS A GD FILE NAME |
| 00:50.56 | Esamynn|work | d'oh! |
| 00:50.56 | Amarande | ah, dot files not honoured on Windows |
| 00:51.10 | Esamynn|work | maybe the command line? |
| 00:51.12 | Amarande | heh, my music collection got screwed up when I migrated from Linux to Windows due to filename issues |
| 00:51.29 | Shirik | no that's just it |
| 00:51.29 | Amarande | going to end up ripping the CDs again (well, good idea anyway probably ... Vorbis does not seem to work very well on Windows sadly :() |
| 00:51.34 | Shirik | Windows is perfectly fine with a filename ".lock" |
| 00:51.38 | Shirik | but Explorer |
| 00:51.40 | Shirik | no |
| 00:51.48 | Shirik | ".lock isn't a file name!!!" |
| 00:51.53 | Amarande | apparently, NTFS accepts filename characters that Windows doesn't. |
| 00:52.04 | Shirik | Esamynn|Away: Yeah command line is fine |
| 00:52.23 | Shirik | I wish people would stop making software that protects stupid people at the cost of others |
| 00:52.33 | Shirik | read: It's ok to do this IF YOU CAN TURN THE DAMN FEATURE OFF |
| 00:53.03 | Esamynn|work | heh, Windows has so many switches, I wouldn't be surprised if you CAN turn taht off ;) |
| 00:53.29 | Amarande | Shirik: and worse, sometimes someone finds a way to use one of those "protect stupid people" features as part of a copy protection scheme |
| 00:53.29 | Semlar | i have .htaccess files and i'm using windows |
| 00:53.34 | Amarande | then when you try to turn it off you get swatted with the DMCA |
| 00:54.20 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 00:54.44 | Amarande | or, sometimes, the other way round, like the infamous hash72 thing |
| 00:55.25 | Esamynn|work | or perhaps not so imfamous :P |
| 00:55.33 | Amarande | Esamynn: it's an iPod thing |
| 00:55.37 | Esamynn|work | s/imfamous/infamous/ |
| 00:55.46 | Esamynn|work | fucking Apple |
| 00:56.02 | Amarande | iPods have a song database, which has (since 6th generation or so iPods) had a hash value on it for integrity checking |
| 00:56.12 | Amarande | which I presume serves two purposes, one I'm presuming to help make sure the database isn't corrupted |
| 00:56.25 | Amarande | but two, to lock people into using iTunes and not FOSS software to manipulate music on their iPod |
| 00:56.40 | Amarande | well, the first hash system (called hash58 in FOSS lingo, no I don't know where they get these numbers) was cracked easily by FOSS folks |
| 00:56.47 | Amarande | so Apple came out with another one (called hash72) |
| 00:57.06 | Amarande | here's where it gets evil: they used formulae from the FairPlay DRM system in the hash calculations ... |
| 00:57.13 | Amarande | you can guess where this goes ... |
| 00:57.29 | Dagmar | That the recording industry is run by penis-faces. |
| 00:57.35 | Amarande | Heh. |
| 00:57.58 | Amarande | It goes exactly where you might imagine: This time when FOSS folks tried to crack hash72 as completely as they did hash58, Apple was able to smack them down with a DMCA anti-circumvention order |
| 00:58.09 | Amarande | by claiming they were compromising an effective DRM system |
| 00:58.22 | Esamynn|work | ./facepalm |
| 00:58.26 | Dagmar | There is not a more douchebaggery way to skirt copyright law than to sell someone a "licence" that is tied to the continued existance of the seller, and expires when the user dies. |
| 00:58.56 | Semlar | i don't know about that |
| 00:59.22 | Semlar | there's probably a more douchebaggery way out there |
| 00:59.45 | Dagmar | Copyright law is supposed to be a fair exchange between members of a society and creators, which provides creators with *finite* exclusivity to get paid for it, in exchange for society respecting that right |
| 00:59.47 | Amarande | I'm not *entirely* sure that's a valid use of the DMCA, but the FOSS folks apparently were not particularly willing to test it |
| 01:00.32 | Dagmar | You can make the argument that copyright shouldnt' even apply to those recordings because it's clear by the licencing terms they have no intention of ever fulfilling _their_ end of the deal |
| 01:00.42 | Dagmar | In that the copyright will EXPIRE and said work will enter the public domain |
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| 01:02.03 | Dagmar | Bruce Willis is right to sue |
| 01:02.56 | Dagmar | They're deliberately selling you something that will never be able to go into the public domain because of cryptographic protection |
| 01:02.57 | Torhal | Though according to his wife that isn't even happening and it's a fabrication. |
| 01:03.14 | mckenziemc | well |
| 01:03.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: actually, the music specifically is no longer DRM'd |
| 01:03.24 | Corrodias | the song will be in the public domain. access to their service will not bt. |
| 01:03.25 | Corrodias | be |
| 01:03.27 | Dagmar | Yeah but it keeps coming back to that, every time |
| 01:03.30 | Amarande | I'm not sure what happens when you die and your kids inherit your computer and iPod, though |
| 01:03.31 | Torhal | places mckenziemc into the Public Domain. |
| 01:03.54 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.09 | mckenziemc | theoretically as long as computing power keeps increasing, we'll be able to crack the cryptography on things that have their copyrigth expire |
| 01:04.20 | mckenziemc | unless the DMCA doesn't have a time limit |
| 01:04.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: Good old non-transferrable account rights |
| 01:04.38 | Amarande | mckenziemc: also, if P = NP (which is still unsolved), a lot of cryptography suddenly becomes extremely shaky |
| 01:04.45 | mckenziemc | sigh |
| 01:04.54 | mckenziemc | not this again |
| 01:04.59 | Torhal | ... |
| 01:05.36 | Dagmar | Amarande: Hopefully that gigantic new proof will take awhile to get any closer to that |
| 01:05.37 | Amarande | however, computing power will probably hit a plateau, and probably surprisingly soon |
| 01:05.47 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.50 | mckenziemc | just shut up Amarande |
| 01:05.51 | Corrodias | what gives you that impression? |
| 01:05.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: every time you turn around it seems like someone has claimed to be able to prove that P = NP or P != NP |
| 01:06.10 | Amarande | but none of the proofs ever seem to actually manage to be found to be conclusive |
| 01:06.15 | Dagmar | Seldom do I see such a claim stand for more than about a day |
| 01:06.17 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.23 | Amarande | I think such proofs have been being submitted ever since the days of Turing, heh |
| 01:06.47 | Dagmar | The few times it's gone longer than that I was seeing people saying they were impressed the wrong solution got as far along as it did that it was *hard* to see it was wrong |
| 01:06.52 | Amarande | Corrodias: that computing power will probably hit a plateau fairly soon? |
| 01:07.13 | Dagmar | DOubt it |
| 01:07.38 | Amarande | It's the matter that for the most part we've been increasing the power of computers by managing to make on-chip components progressively smaller |
| 01:07.44 | Dagmar | We're getting plenty good at parallelizing and we're still finding new materials and methods to work with |
| 01:07.54 | Amarande | but it's not going to be all that long at this rate before we hit the physical limits on how fine you can make components, which produces new problems |
| 01:08.00 | Torhal | Ladies and Gentlemen, I welcome you to the Three Hour Rant About DRM! Enjoy the fucking show! |
| 01:08.11 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 01:08.35 | Corrodias | Torhal, surely this has never been discussed before in the history of mankind |
| 01:08.43 | Torhal | Corrodias: Nevar. |
| 01:08.54 | Dagmar | There was a time at which a hollerith machine was considered as fast as you could crunch numbers |
| 01:09.09 | Dagmar | ...and now people are doing it without moving parts. |
| 01:09.23 | znf | hey Amarande, I noticed you started your rant |
| 01:09.26 | znf | am I late to the show? |
| 01:09.33 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:09.54 | znf | Just got a page and came as fast as I could |
| 01:09.56 | Dagmar | ...on a solar powered device that you could wear on your wrist, which you could make for about twenty bucks if you cared. |
| 01:10.22 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean one of those watches that has a four-function calculator built in? :) |
| 01:10.29 | Dagmar | If you dropped that into the year 1900, people would say you were from space |
| 01:10.37 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: Gwyndolin is the first boss im cursing about and calling cheap |
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| 01:10.58 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah and sparkfun sells the parts for making them yourself as an amateur |
| 01:12.05 | Dagmar | So don't assume that because we're seeing theoretical limits with copper that there's not still plenty more speed to be had, perhaps by solving a few thermal problems with different materials |
| 01:12.40 | znf | bah, my contact lied, no show here |
| 01:12.42 | znf | made popcorn for nothing |
| 01:13.51 | Dagmar | Amarande: I thought you were into the masochistic j-game thing |
| 01:15.16 | Mr_Rabies | <Arrowmaster> Mr_Rabies: Gwyndolin is the first boss im cursing about and calling cheap |
| 01:15.28 | Mr_Rabies | gwyndolin is admittedly quite annoying, but he's far from required |
| 01:15.43 | Amarande | Dagmar: regarding? |
| 01:15.46 | Dagmar | Actually currently I've probably got about 200-300 times the computing power of a hollerith machine in the form of little devices that make me wander around the house trying to figure out what just went "ping" for no apparent reason |
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| 01:16.19 | Dagmar | Amarande: I could swear I'd seen you talking about fights with unavoidable instant death mechanics without spitting |
| 01:16.42 | Dagmar | The moment I see a game pull that I've lost all respect for it |
| 01:16.47 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: hes required if you want all the achievements |
| 01:17.09 | Mr_Rabies | ah, yeah, but you gotta beat the game...3 times for all the achieves, no? |
| 01:17.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, I'm pretty fond of JRPGs ... also of a lot of the more challenging western RPGs, particularly if that challenge comes in the form of combats you actually have to think out a strategy for |
| 01:17.43 | Arrowmaster | Mr_Rabies: i dont think you have to finish the 3rd playthrough |
| 01:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | oh, true |
| 01:18.50 | Amarande | also, while I still want to get my hands on some of the more cruel games like Shin Megami Tensei 2 |
| 01:18.54 | Dagmar | Well, there's strategy, and then there's Enduro challenges, which are the other thing I can't stand |
| 01:19.11 | Amarande | I tend to usually be fond of games that let you save reasonably close to each boss |
| 01:19.25 | Amarande | Part of me was rather glad that Zeromus, for instance, was rather pathetically easy |
| 01:19.29 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls is the first jrpg i've played since WoW came out |
| 01:19.30 | Dagmar | If you can figure out the solution, to effect it you shouldn't have to spend the next 25 minutes executing it flawlessly |
| 01:19.51 | Amarande | since the nearest save point is a full dungeon level up, and you can only flee from the fights on the final floor by using Edge's special 100% flee spell |
| 01:20.27 | Amarande | heh. the best way to take out Zeromus is to kill off Rydia and Kain before you even use the crystal |
| 01:20.33 | Amarande | then kill off Edge once he's run out of decent things to throw |
| 01:21.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: to me that usually depends on whether the game is turn-based and/or can be paused |
| 01:21.58 | Amarande | if you can spend as much real time as you like inputting your perfect strategy, then it doesn't really matter so much how long the battle is |
| 01:22.00 | Mr_Rabies | pausing is for the weak |
| 01:22.15 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls being unpausable is one of my favorite features |
| 01:22.33 | Amarande | e.g., Dark Queen of Krynn or most of the Shin Megami Tensei games |
| 01:23.17 | Amarande | Mind you, Dark Queen of Krynn's strategy tended to have one particular overriding element, but it was one that was quite fun to figure out the various necessary means to achieving |
| 01:23.53 | Amarande | Basically, almost every significant enemy in that game would come with some sort of AoE attack that was on the "nuclear holocaust" end of the power scale, and your main desideratum was to survive it or prevent it from being used :) |
| 01:24.30 | Amarande | Like EVERY mage would have Delayed Blast Fireball (which was actually instant in the Gold Box games), which did about 100 damage on a failed save or 50 on a successful (keep in mind we're talking First Edition AD&D hit point pools here) |
| 01:25.28 | Amarande | (Not to mention that if a spellcaster took damage in a round, they were no longer allowed to cast a spell that round - yup, the slightest scratch damage would interrupt a spell being cast, too) |
| 01:28.01 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, I've always been fonder (when it comes to non-online games, anyway) of the turn-based RPGs than the fast-action Devil May Cry type ones |
| 01:28.45 | Mr_Rabies | turn based ones, in theory, are nice, but in practice every fight is a grind check |
| 01:29.04 | Mr_Rabies | to see if you've grinded enough to have the privledge of having a chance to hurt the boss |
| 01:29.20 | Mr_Rabies | grandia 2 was the last 'turn based' rpg that i played much of |
| 01:29.25 | Amarande | I did like some things like the Raidou Kuzunoha games (SMT: Devil Summoner) and Star Ocean 3 which had an action based battle system, though |
| 01:29.32 | Amarande | Well, except for Kid Sooties. |
| 01:29.36 | Amarande | Oh gods, Kid Sooties. |
| 01:29.39 | Mr_Rabies | and it owns, because it's not truly turn based |
| 01:29.52 | Mr_Rabies | you can push back the enemy's turn and speed yours up |
| 01:29.54 | Amarande | By the time I got to that part of Sphere 211 I pretty much used the "freeze all enemies on the floor" item every freaking floor until I was through it |
| 01:30.11 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: Atelier Iris 2 and I think Xenogears are that way, too |
| 01:30.38 | Amarande | It's turn based in terms of that the action pauses completely for player input, but uses a more complex system to determine when turns occur than the typical "turn based" system |
| 01:30.43 | Mr_Rabies | dark souls is like Zelda:OoT meets WoW meets Diablo meets Castlevania, to me |
| 01:31.09 | Amarande | Kid Sooties were one of the most sadistic enemies found in a JRPG, though |
| 01:31.16 | Amarande | and I've played a lot of pretty sadistic JRPGs |
| 01:32.28 | Amarande | I'm not sure I ever actually managed to live through an encounter with those, if I ended up triggering a battle :P |
| 01:33.09 | Amarande | Hence why I took to making liberal use of the item that lets you freeze all enemies on the floor in place (SO3 used an encounter system where enemies were visible in the area, and you fought if and only if you came in contact) |
| 01:34.57 | Amarande | heh, actually I found that focusing on grinding attack power was usually not the way to go :) |
| 01:35.26 | Amarande | I tended to find that things went by far the most smoothly if you focused on maxing out your defence stats as much as possible, so that the boss could barely scratch *you* |
| 01:35.36 | Stanzilla | is it wall of text night again? |
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| 01:35.54 | foxlit | Stanzilla: every night is wall of text night. |
| 01:36.08 | foxlit | in fact, it doesn't even have to be night. |
| 01:36.21 | Adys | in fact |
| 01:36.25 | Adys | it doesn't even have to be text. |
| 01:36.31 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies, just don't play Grandia 3, though |
| 01:36.47 | mckenziemc | ~amarande Adys |
| 01:36.47 | purl | ACTION wraps Adys in a straitjacket and locks them in a room with Amarande. |
| 01:36.59 | Adys | fuck you man |
| 01:37.06 | amro | cruel and unusual punishment |
| 01:37.07 | Adys | with all this shit nobody told me if the wow-64 bit client is available anywhere for the current build |
| 01:37.14 | Amarande | Adys: live? |
| 01:37.17 | Adys | yea |
| 01:37.18 | foxlit | Adys: it's available in my wow folder. |
| 01:37.25 | TC-Work | or in his pants |
| 01:37.25 | Amarande | yup. |
| 01:37.27 | Adys | I love your wow folder and want to have sex with it |
| 01:37.29 | Amarande | it's in your wow folder |
| 01:37.37 | foxlit | conspicuously named Wow-64.exe |
| 01:37.39 | TC-Work | " " |
| 01:37.42 | Amarande | and it looks like the launcher will automatically use it if your system is capable |
| 01:37.52 | Shirik | ok I'm on the phone with tech support |
| 01:37.57 | Shirik | and the tech support is completely automated |
| 01:38.00 | Shirik | and it put me on hold |
| 01:38.00 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:38.20 | amro | Shirik: it's rewinding the tape. |
| 01:38.34 | Adys | you're welcome mate |
| 01:39.23 | TC-Work | I would so give that tech support a ++ |
| 01:39.29 | Tuller | so it turns out with fencing, its okay to repeatedly stab one's fiance |
| 01:39.44 | kd3 | o_O |
| 01:40.02 | kd3 | also, hm |
| 01:40.16 | kd3 | ponders installing wine64 to play with wow64 |
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| 01:41.40 | Adys | kd3: it seems theres corruption going on with winealsa |
| 01:41.43 | Adys | wanted to test it |
| 01:41.48 | Adys | but iirc it works fine |
| 01:42.27 | ajmitch | kd3: wine64 wfm, only annoying part is that it uses a separate wine prefix |
| 01:42.36 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 01:42.37 | kd3 | I have like 36 wineprefixes |
| 01:42.40 | kd3 | what's one more? |
| 01:42.40 | Adys | it doesnt have to that is ajmitch |
| 01:42.52 | Adys | it just needs a 64bit-compatible prefix |
| 01:43.03 | ajmitch | Adys: it complained when I started it up with my existing ~/.wine, at least |
| 01:43.09 | ajmitch | which has been copied from machine to machine |
| 01:43.20 | Adys | clear it once in a while |
| 01:43.30 | Adys | windows is this fucking plague, you have to format it every once in a whilee |
| 01:43.33 | Adys | even on linux |
| 01:44.56 | ajmitch | apart from that, the only problem I have is some serious stuttering with the nvidia drivers |
| 01:46.12 | Vladinator | so I made Candy Buckets for halloween bucket looting, and now I made two more, one for Elders and one for Bonfires |
| 01:46.18 | Vladinator | the collection is complete! :D |
| 01:46.24 | Kraps | Esamynn|work, Shirik, i did mean HDD space |
| 01:50.06 | kd3 | when's the next holiday? pirate's day? |
| 01:51.11 | Vladinator | harvest, pirate, brewfest, halloween, day of the dead, pilgrim, winter, lunar, love, noble, children ,midsummer, fireworks |
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| 01:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | hrm |
| 01:58.29 | Vladinator | :(/ |
| 01:58.36 | Mr_Rabies | how are people on the forums able to see people's alts? :o |
| 02:00.01 | Vladinator | not sure |
| 02:01.08 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.30 | Vladinator | hidden watermark in the screenshots you take |
| 02:02.07 | pompy | yeah that wa sa discussion the last few days. |
| 02:03.01 | Amarande | truth, or paranoia based upon JPG artifacts? |
| 02:03.12 | Semlar | well it's real, but not very useful |
| 02:03.23 | mckenziemc | Mr_Rabies: by them all having the same achievements |
| 02:03.52 | mckenziemc | i've not actually heard this detail but it can be assumed they're using a website that checks that |
| 02:03.55 | xyphoid | hah has someone whipped up a tool for that |
| 02:04.01 | mckenziemc | i know there's one that tracked xfers based on achievements |
| 02:04.07 | mckenziemc | and name changes |
| 02:04.25 | xyphoid | actually my tool should already do that |
| 02:04.31 | Kraps | lol skill spam |
| 02:05.49 | Vladinator | it's real |
| 02:06.24 | xyphoid | yeah my tool I was using for figuring out what acheivements I needed across all chars pre-merge can determine alts pretty effectively now |
| 02:06.55 | Amarande | that reminds me |
| 02:07.08 | Amarande | now that achievements are account wide |
| 02:07.21 | Amarande | if you delete the/all characters that actually earned a given achievement, do you lose it or does it stay on your account? |
| 02:07.34 | Amarande | (and similarly for mounts, e.g., if you deleted everyone who was exalted with Netherwing, do your netherdrakes disappear?) |
| 02:07.37 | Vladinator | blue = account and don't matter if you del the characters |
| 02:07.44 | Vladinator | non blue = disappear |
| 02:07.45 | Vladinator | :P |
| 02:07.59 | Vladinator | the data is stored on account and not char so it should stay |
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| 02:09.45 | Vladinator | Torhal |
| 02:09.57 | Vladinator | checking if he is here :p |
| 02:10.46 | Vladinator | btw wowi weekly pick happens often less frequent than each week : |
| 02:10.47 | Vladinator | :( |
| 02:11.01 | Torhal | Vladinator: ? |
| 02:11.08 | Vladinator | 1 in may, 1 in june, 0 in july, 0 in august, 0 in september s ofar :P |
| 02:11.19 | Vladinator | Torhal did you check out the thing about hidden watermark on screenshots:P? |
| 02:11.40 | Torhal | Couple of days ago |
| 02:11.44 | Torhal | Didn't look for myself. |
| 02:11.45 | Vladinator | I take all mine with quality set to 10 but if you use 9 or lower there is a watermark added to identify your account, ip, charname, e.g. |
| 02:12.39 | Torhal | Yah, didn't verify |
| 02:13.11 | Vladinator | it's true :3 |
| 02:13.21 | mckenziemc | how do you know |
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| 02:16.16 | Sintacks | So, Ghostcrawler isn't unkillable |
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| 02:19.30 | Vladinator | mckenziemc: getting back to you, but I am very certain, now doing it myself :P |
| 02:22.40 | mckenziemc | i just now read the article |
| 02:22.57 | mckenziemc | haven't confirmed it, but looks plausible |
| 02:23.08 | Vladinator | I can see the watermark but it's hard for me to properly filter out the noise |
| 02:23.15 | Vladinator | it's like blended very well :P looks like artifacts |
| 02:23.32 | Vladinator | but I play with the settings, the threshold and as I slide I see the pattern middle of the picture all over it :p |
| 02:23.41 | Vladinator | these neat repeating blocks |
| 02:23.48 | nilyaK | wouldn't it be easier to say |
| 02:24.10 | nilyaK | make an addon that covers the whole screen in a uniform colour, then take a ss of that? |
| 02:24.18 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 02:24.19 | Vladinator | :P |
| 02:24.25 | Vladinator | I'll write a white texture lol |
| 02:24.39 | mckenziemc | on a plain texture would the watermark be visible to the naked eye |
| 02:24.48 | Vladinator | gotta check |
| 02:25.17 | Semlar | t=UIParent:CreateTexture();t:SetAllPoints();t:SetTexture([[Interface\Buttons\WHITE8X8]]) |
| 02:26.01 | mckenziemc | that still shows my actionbars |
| 02:26.09 | mckenziemc | nvm |
| 02:26.11 | mckenziemc | that doesn't matter >.> |
| 02:26.36 | Semlar | you could make a frame to attach it to and set the frame level higher |
| 02:26.56 | Semlar | there's probably a simpler way to do it |
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| 02:27.08 | Vladinator | :P |
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| 02:27.14 | mckenziemc | if i wanted to i'd check how omen does its threat warning thing |
| 02:27.47 | Semlar | you could also just attach it to the world frame and hide the interface |
| 02:28.25 | Semlar | i think it's just called WorldFrame |
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| 02:31.51 | Vladinator | it did not work on black |
| 02:31.54 | Vladinator | but it works on white |
| 02:32.01 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.25 | Semlar | yeah i forgot you could just set a texture to a color |
| 02:32.46 | Vladinator | using gamma correction I see the pattern but not clear enough to be read I guess :P |
| 02:32.51 | Vladinator | need to tweak more I figure |
| 02:33.27 | nilyaK | how compressed are the images? I presume you can't just open it in paint and dump black on to the white background to reveal the artifacts? |
| 02:34.27 | Vladinator | I use jpg quality 0 in-game |
| 02:35.14 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.20 | Vladinator | or 1, anything except 10 :P |
| 02:35.40 | Amarande | apparently, the way they definitely established the watermark was to go to Crystalsong |
| 02:35.49 | Amarande | and then zoom into a tree so that all you see is the pure blinding white |
| 02:35.55 | Vladinator | says its best to use 9 so I try that |
| 02:36.02 | Amarande | I guess another workable way pretty much would be to go to Icecrown, somewhere near ICC, and die |
| 02:36.05 | Vladinator | or just make a frame like we just did :P |
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| 02:36.12 | Vladinator | if you scroll up I posted code ;P |
| 02:36.58 | nilyaK | helped with suggestions! |
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| 02:38.24 | Amarande | (why yes, I remember my first foray into ICC5 dungeons and dying and not being able to find my way back in because all I could see was OMG BLINDING WHITE when I tried to re-approach ICC) |
| 02:40.32 | Vladinator | what jpg artifact consist of 3 patterns repeating all the time ? :P |
| 02:40.33 | Vladinator | lol |
| 02:40.59 | Vladinator | stacked all the versions, perfect overlap :P |
| 02:41.01 | Vladinator | to the pixel |
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| 02:47.11 | nilyaK | so what's it say to you? |
| 02:49.49 | Vladinator | my image contains a lot of data, and my account name ;D |
| 02:51.27 | nilyaK | what's the encoding, I didn't read that part, is it just utf-8 represented in binary or something? |
| 02:53.43 | Vladinator | http://vlacula.no-ip.com/wow/watermark/ |
| 02:53.49 | Vladinator | it looks like QR |
| 02:55.05 | MentalPower | its digimarc |
| 02:55.18 | Vladinator | yes |
| 02:56.23 | Vladinator | if you can decode the image you can find account name, realm time, realm, IP of realm, at least :p |
| 02:56.48 | MentalPower | not at least, that's all there is |
| 02:57.00 | MentalPower | and the acct name is the internal acct name, not bnet email |
| 02:57.06 | Vladinator | I meant "at least" like "at least it's only this and not more" :P |
| 02:57.14 | Vladinator | that's what I said |
| 02:57.37 | MentalPower | ie, all numeric and useless if you started post bnet transition |
| 02:57.47 | MentalPower | pre-bnet, well, that's a diff story |
| 02:57.58 | nilyaK | if we started pre-transition I presume it's my old acc name |
| 02:58.05 | nilyaK | which was my legal name -.- great |
| 02:58.11 | Vladinator | yes |
| 02:58.16 | mckenziemc | not useless for others tracking which chars were on your account though |
| 02:58.18 | Vladinator | the name in WTF folder |
| 02:58.23 | Vladinator | that's what is used on the pictures ^^ |
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| 02:58.50 | nilyaK | yup =/ |
| 02:59.09 | mckenziemc | karl_w_w |
| 02:59.20 | Vladinator | strange Torhal isn't curious :3 |
| 02:59.39 | mckenziemc | he's busy breaking things |
| 02:59.59 | starlon | torhal breaking things? :/ |
| 03:00.11 | mckenziemc | always |
| 03:00.26 | karl_w_w | degausses mckenziemc |
| 03:00.50 | mckenziemc | he'll probably break my nose pretty soon :( |
| 03:00.53 | Vladinator | phase 2, look at all UI gallery pictures, scan them, extract account name and map users on wowi |
| 03:01.05 | Vladinator | :P |
| 03:03.22 | Vladinator | shame all my pictures were stored using max quality so can't find any watermarks >.< |
| 03:04.05 | nilyaK | is it actually digimark? they have a free utility |
| 03:04.10 | nilyaK | marc* |
| 03:04.30 | nilyaK | http://www.digimarc.com/digimarc-for-images/resources/free-software-downloads |
| 03:04.50 | Vladinator | I'll try |
| 03:06.04 | Trela | I have tried with Photoshop's Digimarc plug in. Nothing comes up so I wonder if this is a custom Digimarc implementation. |
| 03:06.19 | Vladinator | could be |
| 03:06.27 | Vladinator | they say it was added when jpg got added to wow, around 2.1 ish, TBC |
| 03:06.54 | mckenziemc | i wonder if you could circumvent it while keeping the jpegs compressed by having an addon create an overlay to scramble the area where the watermark goes :) |
| 03:07.12 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.17 | nilyaK | why not just set the quality higher :X or use a different format |
| 03:07.28 | nilyaK | obfuscate |
| 03:07.39 | mckenziemc | don't think any of the other formats compress |
| 03:07.47 | mckenziemc | not obfuscate |
| 03:07.56 | Vladinator | use 10 quality and it's gone |
| 03:08.04 | mckenziemc | i know, but that's not compressed |
| 03:08.13 | Vladinator | :p |
| 03:08.17 | nilyaK | you could compress later |
| 03:08.23 | mckenziemc | i know |
| 03:08.33 | mckenziemc | but wow freezes a bit when you take a screenshot :p |
| 03:08.38 | mckenziemc | not usually an issue |
| 03:09.35 | mckenziemc | well, i assumed the freezing is from writing not from compressing, but idk, plus it may not be noticable at all on an SSD |
| 03:10.03 | Vladinator | going to bed ;P HAVE FUN! |
| 03:12.19 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=495357993827537&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 |
| 03:12.35 | mckenziemc | no pompy |
| 03:12.47 | pompy | lol' |
| 03:16.47 | pompy | bleh, going to speedtest.net on my phone just opens google play to the app.. but i dont wanna dld an app, just go to the website, lame. |
| 03:27.31 | nilyaK | http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/nyregion/airport-workers-arrested-in-theft-of-100000-liquor-bottles.html |
| 03:28.49 | Trela | mckenziemc: OS X's screenshot function is PNG and is instant. I never took a screenshot with the in game portion before. So, yeah. :O |
| 03:30.01 | mckenziemc | Trela: is it instantly written to disk |
| 03:30.22 | mckenziemc | also wow isn't threaded the greatest |
| 03:30.53 | kd3 | it almost isn't threaded |
| 03:31.01 | kd3 | sound's got it's own thread, and I think that's about it |
| 03:31.38 | End_ | it's a bit better now |
| 03:31.43 | End_ | but I don't know how much better |
| 03:31.47 | End_ | (not a lot probably) |
| 03:33.39 | End_ | oh also I can use PNG on windows |
| 03:33.50 | End_ | in WoW |
| 03:34.00 | End_ | I dunno if it's a new thing or not but I never noticed it before 5.0 |
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| 03:44.18 | Kraps | ama transcript http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7207171 |
| 03:46.31 | karl_w_w | kraps can you make monday come sooner please? |
| 03:46.43 | Kraps | why |
| 03:46.56 | karl_w_w | that's when my phone line gets connected |
| 03:47.03 | Kraps | oh |
| 03:47.08 | Kraps | in that case no |
| 03:47.30 | karl_w_w | meanie |
| 03:47.44 | End_ | whoops, hello infinite tail recursion |
| 03:49.45 | mckenziemc | hey End_ |
| 03:51.08 | End_ | hi |
| 03:51.15 | End_ | please don't fisker me |
| 03:51.19 | mckenziemc | you already said hello |
| 03:51.26 | End_ | oh ok |
| 03:51.34 | End_ | yes I did |
| 03:51.38 | End_ | nice to meet you |
| 03:51.41 | nilyaK | HELO |
| 03:51.42 | End_ | infinite tail recursion |
| 03:51.43 | End_ | my |
| 03:51.45 | End_ | nemesis |
| 03:52.12 | nilyaK | likes tail recursion. |
| 03:52.47 | mckenziemc | flirts with nilyaK |
| 03:52.57 | karl_w_w | recurses nilyaK's tail |
| 03:55.54 | nilyaK | spins around in circles like a cat. |
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| 04:29.54 | kd3 | yay, it looks like they were able to hide the skillspam, but there's still a noticable lag entering a cross-realm zone |
| 04:30.25 | End_ | the lag bothers me more than the skill spam |
| 04:30.51 | End_ | also I'm still getting skill spam? was it a hotfix? |
| 04:31.04 | karl_w_w | yes |
| 04:31.35 | End_ | guess it might have not hit my realm yet (or my cross...realm...heh) |
| 04:32.12 | karl_w_w | also I'm still getting skill spam? <- errant question mark detected |
| 04:32.48 | End_ | yeah |
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| 04:33.24 | nevcairiel | You can do that when speaking too. Say a normal sentence but pronounce it like a question, nothing wrong with that :p |
| 04:34.15 | karl_w_w | strikes nevcairiel down with lightning |
| 04:34.35 | nevcairiel | has his lightning-rod-hat on |
| 04:34.58 | nevcairiel | it uses the lightning enery for making waffles! |
| 04:35.25 | karl_w_w | lightning waffles? /invent |
| 04:42.12 | Ackis | bluspacecow: what's pepper used for? |
| 04:42.20 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 04:42.27 | kd3 | well, maybe not |
| 04:42.29 | bluspacecow | what you think its used for |
| 04:42.30 | kd3 | got skillspammed that time |
| 04:42.35 | bluspacecow | lol context |
| 04:42.40 | Ackis | bluspacecow: cooking, but what type of cooking? |
| 04:42.48 | Ackis | I'm talking about your stupid chefville game |
| 04:42.57 | bluspacecow | some recipies need em |
| 04:43.21 | Ackis | meh |
| 04:43.27 | Ackis | I have to visit 3 days in a row to get pepper? |
| 04:43.35 | Ackis | then I can miss 4 days or something? |
| 04:43.35 | bluspacecow | thin so |
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| 04:44.21 | bluspacecow | not sure |
| 04:44.26 | karl_w_w | yes you are |
| 04:49.34 | pompy | http://www.wowhead.com/news=206389/patch-5-0-5-hotfixes-cross-realm-zones-fixed |
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| 05:00.01 | Fisker | hey End_ |
| 05:00.06 | Fisker | are you mad? |
| 05:01.19 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
| 05:01.32 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 05:01.36 | Stanzilla | sup bro |
| 05:01.47 | Fisker | nothing Stanzilla |
| 05:01.57 | Stanzilla | spotify is being a dick |
| 05:02.01 | Stanzilla | 10 hours limit reached |
| 05:02.02 | Stanzilla | :E |
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| 05:04.14 | Fisker | don't be mad Stanzilla |
| 05:04.40 | karl_w_w | spotify sucks |
| 05:04.44 | karl_w_w | pandora ftw |
| 05:05.11 | Stanzilla | pandora is us only |
| 05:05.15 | Stanzilla | don't want to proxy everytime |
| 05:05.23 | Fisker | music subscription services sucks |
| 05:05.36 | karl_w_w | where do you live Stanzilla? |
| 05:05.42 | Stanzilla | germany |
| 05:05.52 | karl_w_w | harhar |
| 05:06.15 | karl_w_w | pandora is available in australia as of a couple of months ago |
| 05:06.31 | Fisker | quick Stanzilla |
| 05:06.36 | Fisker | get an aussie proxy instead |
| 05:06.41 | Stanzilla | ... |
| 05:06.46 | Fisker | for shitty paid subscription services |
| 05:07.34 | Stanzilla | what do you use Fisker |
| 05:07.39 | Stanzilla | piracy? |
| 05:10.55 | Fisker | of course not Stanzilla |
| 05:13.27 | ccox | watermarking appears limited to the Windows client built-in screenshots |
| 05:13.36 | Stanzilla | I guess Fisker is a iTunes user |
| 05:13.41 | ccox | MacOS client doesn't seem to have built-in screenshots and uses the OS screencapture |
| 05:13.47 | Fisker | an* and no Stanzilla |
| 05:13.52 | ccox | and I can't find any watermark on that |
| 05:13.53 | Stanzilla | yes and ok |
| 05:13.55 | Stanzilla | what else then |
| 05:13.55 | Fisker | i would rather kill you than use itunes |
| 05:22.50 | starlon | gifts Fisker a 1st gen iPod. |
| 05:24.23 | Fisker | i'd rather just kill you |
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| 05:51.12 | kd3 | http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/genndy-tartakovsky-still-trying-hard-to-make-samurai-jack-movie/ |
| 05:51.14 | kd3 | holy crap ^ |
| 05:52.21 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:52.46 | Shirik | isn't that the guy that made Dexter's Lab? |
| 05:52.52 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:52.58 | kd3 | among other awesomeness |
| 05:55.13 | Shirik | omg |
| 05:55.18 | Shirik | Wikipedia just nostalgiaed me so hard |
| 05:55.33 | Shirik | link chain from Genndy sent me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWAT_Kats:_The_Radical_Squadron |
| 06:04.29 | Fisker | sneaks up on Shirik |
| 06:05.08 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
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| 06:12.39 | pompy | http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI |
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| 06:58.41 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 06:58.43 | Fisker | i sneaked up on you |
| 07:09.26 | Semlar | sneak sneak sneak |
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| 07:41.55 | AcidWeb | http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7624496/Carbonite-4.301_w__Rythal_50407_update |
| 07:41.57 | AcidWeb | O.o |
| 07:44.15 | Cairenn | What about it? |
| 07:48.47 | nevcairiel | the fact that they are hosting fan updates of addosn on torrents now because they are not allowed to on addon pages is just hilarious :p |
| 07:49.07 | bluspacecow | i lolzed |
| 07:55.35 | AcidWeb | This entire circus is hilarious. First ppl was raging because lack of official carbonite patch... And release of that patch made everything even worse :D |
| 07:55.57 | AcidWeb | I will not even mention Rythal who is close to be head of new church ;d |
| 07:56.51 | nevcairiel | why did the patch make it worse? |
| 07:56.55 | Cairenn | I am glad that it is starting to calm down some |
| 07:57.05 | Cairenn | Each day there are a few less rants |
| 07:57.53 | AcidWeb | Because that patch is broken nevcairiel. |
| 07:58.19 | Cairenn | It's just drama |
| 07:58.39 | AcidWeb | Yup. |
| 07:59.08 | nevcairiel | i would say grab me some popcorn and bring it on, but then im going to the cinema today, and if i already eat my dose of popcorn now, it will just be weird this evening! |
| 07:59.17 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:00.30 | AcidWeb | Still Carbonite team screwed too. All their posts are correct and right but they should work on PR ;p |
| 08:00.37 | Cairenn | yup |
| 08:02.25 | AcidWeb | Problem is very simple. Carbonite was made to make money. |
| 08:02.51 | AcidWeb | Everything else is the result of that. |
| 08:03.25 | Cairenn | yeah, not even going to get into it in here, have to deal with enough of it on the site |
| 08:03.27 | Cairenn | :) |
| 08:03.36 | AcidWeb | ;] |
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| 08:22.18 | Semlar | oO |
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| 08:41.32 | karl_w_w | what's the revision number of wow 5.0.5? |
| 08:41.33 | Cairenn | OMFG Squeeeeeee! |
| 08:41.35 | Cairenn | http://cheezburger.com/6478618112 |
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| 08:44.07 | Humbedooh | :3 |
| 08:44.24 | Humbedooh | you know you can't has one, right? :\ |
| 08:44.48 | Cairenn | still omfg squeeeee |
| 08:52.36 | Semlar | koalas make the most terrifying sounds |
| 08:54.17 | karl_w_w | sets up Semlar to be ambushed by koalas in a dark alley |
| 08:54.38 | Semlar | oh god no |
| 08:54.42 | Semlar | NOT AGAIN |
| 08:55.13 | karl_w_w | muahahaha |
| 08:55.25 | bluspacecow | these aren't nymphomaniacs ones tho Semlar |
| 08:57.03 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow good news! |
| 08:57.15 | karl_w_w | I deleted agent and now its not stuck on 0% |
| 08:57.46 | bluspacecow | XD |
| 08:57.55 | bluspacecow | silly agent is silly |
| 08:57.58 | bluspacecow | y it so silly ? |
| 08:59.03 | Semlar | tautology |
| 08:59.20 | karl_w_w | cuz blizzerd maked it silly |
| 09:00.00 | karl_w_w | i downloaded the latest agent first, and then i noticed it was still trying to use an older one |
| 09:00.09 | karl_w_w | so it was being silly |
| 09:01.08 | karl_w_w | and by downloaded, I mean deleted |
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| 09:12.08 | Semlar | poor agent |
| 09:19.40 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/OaMzw.jpg the continent texture doesn't really approve of being scaled up |
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| 09:27.55 | Sintacks | anyone know how often wowhead ... idk how to say what i'm thinking cuz i'm tired, but how often they take wowhead looter addon data and add it to shit |
| 09:28.31 | karl_w_w | they do it when you're not looking |
| 09:28.46 | Sintacks | specificly, when will the Ghostcrawler page say he drops a tear, cuz he does |
| 09:28.52 | karl_w_w | Sintacks's what's for dinner? |
| 09:28.58 | Sintacks | fishsticks |
| 09:29.18 | karl_w_w | I am tempted to walk to the fish & chip shop |
| 09:29.34 | karl_w_w | trouble is it seems to be closed all the time |
| 09:30.02 | karl_w_w | I moved in here 6 weeks ago, I drive past it every day, it's been open 3 times |
| 09:30.02 | Semlar | they see you coming |
| 09:30.23 | karl_w_w | saturday night at 6pm, closed every time |
| 09:30.34 | Semlar | it's a front |
| 09:30.41 | karl_w_w | haha |
| 09:31.41 | karl_w_w | funny thing is when I google "fish and chips in (my suburb)" it's by far the most prominent result, this is against about 8 other shops, several of which have the suburb in the shop name |
| 09:35.01 | Semlar | you have 9 fish and chip shops in your area? |
| 09:35.14 | Kalroth | he's a proper brit |
| 09:35.23 | karl_w_w | I live in australia :P |
| 09:35.31 | Kalroth | like i said, a proper brit! |
| 09:35.41 | Humbedooh | fish'n'chips'n'shrimps! |
| 09:36.08 | karl_w_w | and that's just my suburb, there's more within say 15 mins drive |
| 09:36.16 | Kalroth | put another fish'n'chips'n'shrimps on the barby! |
| 09:36.24 | karl_w_w | suburbs are quite small here |
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| 09:56.56 | Fisker | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff559317(v=vs.85).aspx <-hilarious |
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| 10:14.02 | karl_w_w | fuck i hate the smell of dog food |
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| 10:20.46 | Fisker | maybe you should stop sniffing dog food then |
| 10:23.51 | karl_w_w | maybe i should |
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| 11:17.53 | foxlit | f.SetPoint = MovAny.fVoid |
| 11:19.40 | foxlit | which makes for the second instance of addons interfering with frames that it's none of their business to interfere with :/ |
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| 11:22.35 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.50 | foxlit | ew, cow drool? |
| 11:23.15 | foxlit | I wonder if that stuff's acidic. |
| 11:23.38 | bluspacecow | *produces a towel* |
| 11:23.45 | Torhal | foxlit: MoveAnything mucking with stuff? |
| 11:23.49 | bluspacecow | *uses to wipe cheese all over foxlit* |
| 11:24.15 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Get back to your iPod, foul beast! |
| 11:24.24 | bluspacecow | eeeeee |
| 11:24.25 | foxlit | Torhal: someone somehow managed to get it to reposition the frame I use for tracking mouse position. |
| 11:24.38 | Torhal | o.O |
| 11:25.07 | bluspacecow | *bats Torhal's hair* |
| 11:26.32 | foxlit | Which wouldn't ordinarily matter, since I re-anchor it before use, but it seems that MA is not content with merely moving things once. |
| 11:28.05 | Torhal | foxlit: Ah, looks like a fan update. Would explain why you never had the issue before/ |
| 11:28.33 | Torhal | Actually, no longer a fan update. Official maintainer now. |
| 11:28.44 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.54 | Torhal | Why so sexual-harassing, bluspacecow? |
| 11:28.56 | Torhal | :D |
| 11:29.06 | bluspacecow | *noms on Torhal* |
| 11:29.11 | foxlit | I still don't have an issue; it's all third-party reports of things going wrong :) |
| 11:29.11 | Torhal | !!! |
| 11:29.21 | Torhal | Well, that's what I meant :P |
| 11:29.44 | foxlit | I was mildly surprised when someone mentioned Snowfall Keypress a week ago. |
| 11:29.52 | foxlit | Isn't that supposed to be dead? |
| 11:30.27 | bluspacecow | well there's dead dead |
| 11:30.30 | bluspacecow | and mostly dead |
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| 12:06.19 | bluspacecow | *transforms into a Blue tailed cat* |
| 12:06.30 | bluspacecow | *curls up on Torhal's lap* |
| 12:06.33 | bluspacecow | *kneads* |
| 12:06.36 | bluspacecow | *yawns* |
| 12:06.41 | bluspacecow | *falls asleep* |
| 12:08.07 | A-KO | hi bluspacecow |
| 12:08.20 | A-KO | speaking of cat in lap, mine's in my lap |
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| 12:12.23 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/RichardDGNaylor/status/245947080575709184 |
| 12:12.25 | bluspacecow | :3 |
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| 12:15.11 | karl_w_w | wtf i earned an arena title |
| 12:15.17 | karl_w_w | but we like never tried |
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| 12:27.58 | Vladinator | did Torhal break the watermark encryption? |
| 12:28.20 | Torhal | Nein. |
| 12:29.01 | karl_w_w | I'll break your watermark if you're not careful |
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| 12:36.46 | Vladinator | :p |
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| 12:38.27 | karl_w_w | lightheaded reached 17mb |
| 12:38.50 | karl_w_w | there's an addon that could do with differential updates :P |
| 12:39.01 | Vladinator | what do you mean? |
| 12:39.31 | Vladinator | I want to learn the term so I know it for later :P |
| 12:39.34 | Vladinator | differential updates |
| 12:39.38 | Vladinator | what does it entail? |
| 12:40.23 | karl_w_w | so you only download the changed parts |
| 12:40.44 | Vladinator | aha |
| 12:41.23 | Vladinator | the sites are not quite build for suhc updating I reckon :p |
| 12:41.45 | karl_w_w | yeah |
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| 12:43.26 | foxlit | qq, there's no AnimationGroup:SetProgress |
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| 12:49.32 | karl_w_w | Who had a hit in 1975 with the song: Stand By Your Man? |
| 12:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | Loretta Lynn? |
| 12:50.05 | bluspacecow | aretha franklin ? |
| 12:50.43 | karl_w_w | peppy was closest |
| 12:50.50 | karl_w_w | blu was just hopeless |
| 12:51.14 | bluspacecow | no googling or wiking ! |
| 12:51.20 | karl_w_w | tammy wynette |
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| 12:57.58 | zenzio | finally remembered to bring my game music collection to work... coding to Warcraft II music is awesome |
| 12:59.53 | zenzio | although there's now the risk I'll end up playing the game too |
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| 13:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I wish I wish for music. *sigh* |
| 13:08.01 | bluspacecow | oooooooooo |
| 13:08.10 | bluspacecow | i've got a lovely bunch of coconuts .... |
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| 13:08.43 | Lopeppeppy | No no no, not that song again, anything but that! |
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| 13:13.50 | Vladinator | bluspacecow: |
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| 13:14.44 | karl_w_w | what kind of music Lopeppeppy! |
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| 13:16.15 | Vladinator | bluspacecow: what do you think http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/candy-buckets/images/2-world-map/ ? |
| 13:16.36 | bluspacecow | mmmm |
| 13:16.37 | bluspacecow | candy |
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| 13:16.57 | Vladinator | :D |
| 13:17.09 | Vladinator | I made map addon(s) to show candy, elders and bonfire on the map ^^ |
| 13:17.15 | Vladinator | based if you've been there or not |
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| 13:21.34 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBEOoQbA7BY ! |
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| 13:28.04 | Kraps | Ackis now owns Ship Simulator Extremes Collection |
| 13:28.07 | Kraps | lol |
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| 13:35.26 | bluspacecow | wot |
| 13:36.12 | Kraps | this isnt that april fools thing is it :p http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13581-LeatrixLatencyFix.html |
| 13:36.35 | Ressy | Its no longer needed |
| 13:36.38 | Vladinator | Torhal |
| 13:36.40 | Ressy | its built into the client now |
| 13:36.43 | Vladinator | I released two new addons :P |
| 13:37.28 | Kraps | oh ok |
| 13:37.50 | Vladinator | on curse :p |
| 13:37.50 | nevcairiel | Ressy: the author doesnt seem to have gotten that message |
| 13:38.03 | nevcairiel | not to mention that it always was kind of a bad idea to change those parameters system wide |
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| 13:38.39 | karl_w_w | the april fools one was the one that timed your rolls to game the random number generator |
| 13:40.40 | Ressy | nods |
| 13:41.32 | Vladinator | Torhal can you do me a favor? |
| 13:41.46 | Torhal | Depends on the favor. |
| 13:41.47 | Torhal | :D |
| 13:42.01 | Ressy | I think that was one of the reasons Blizz added that feature.. It was constantly being recommended on the forums |
| 13:42.25 | Vladinator | rename "cb-msff" into "candy-buckets-summer" and "cb-lf-elders" into "candy-buckets-lunar" |
| 13:42.34 | Vladinator | on my two newly approved addons, I forgot to change it ;( |
| 13:42.51 | karl_w_w | his base rate is $5 |
| 13:44.49 | Kraps | hey vlad that miniloot thing looks cool |
| 13:44.58 | Vladinator | thanks :) |
| 13:45.14 | Vladinator | using it ever since I made it, obviously :P |
| 13:46.38 | Torhal | Vladinator: Done |
| 13:46.44 | Vladinator | thanks Torhal |
| 13:46.49 | Torhal | np |
| 13:48.11 | Vladinator | when was mop being released, end of this month? |
| 13:48.19 | nevcairiel | 25th |
| 13:48.51 | nevcairiel | one week from next tuesday :P |
| 13:52.07 | Kraps | cant wait |
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| 14:07.41 | Stanzilla | let's add two more names to Vladinator's awesome character names |
| 14:07.46 | Stanzilla | "database" and "wowhead" |
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| 14:11.42 | Vladinator | you just envy me |
| 14:15.04 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: |
| 14:15.10 | Vladinator | why the hate for my char names? :P |
| 14:15.23 | Stanzilla | not hate |
| 14:15.24 | Stanzilla | more like |
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| 14:15.31 | Stanzilla | I dont know |
| 14:15.44 | Vladinator | already used up all my good names on my old accounts |
| 14:15.47 | Vladinator | so cba to make up |
| 14:15.48 | Vladinator | :p |
| 14:15.52 | Vladinator | using stuff I like! |
| 14:15.56 | Vladinator | that shows I am a nerd |
| 14:16.48 | Vladinator | if you wanna snicker here http://mop.wowhead.com/user=Rinor#characters minus Ghorb, Gronnth, Kitaouji, Gregersen, those are friends |
| 14:20.37 | AcidWeb | New stable drivers: GeForce 306.23 Driver WHQL |
| 14:21.45 | Kraps | yep, dbm contributes to wipes |
| 14:21.48 | Kraps | :p |
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| 14:23.52 | Vladinator | AcidWeb: you sure? |
| 14:23.57 | Vladinator | I am still at 285 something |
| 14:24.03 | Vladinator | because later once gave me BSOD and issues |
| 14:24.04 | Vladinator | :P |
| 14:24.10 | AcidWeb | 285? |
| 14:24.25 | Vladinator | yes, because anything newer gave me problems |
| 14:24.38 | Vladinator | freezing screen, blue screens sometimes, list goes on :P |
| 14:24.51 | AcidWeb | What gpu you have? |
| 14:24.56 | Vladinator | gtx560ti |
| 14:25.05 | AcidWeb | strange |
| 14:25.18 | AcidWeb | Im always using newest beta ;p |
| 14:25.31 | mckenziemc | recommends Vladinator check his video card firmware |
| 14:25.46 | AcidWeb | also GW2 is unplayable with old drivers ;] |
| 14:25.52 | Vladinator | :D |
| 14:26.03 | Vladinator | firmware? |
| 14:26.11 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 14:26.14 | Vladinator | nvidia only releases drivers :P |
| 14:26.18 | Vladinator | haven't seen no firmware |
| 14:26.43 | mckenziemc | your video card uses firmware |
| 14:26.49 | mckenziemc | usually provided by the manufacturer |
| 14:27.02 | Vladinator | let's see |
| 14:27.43 | Vladinator | found my card, "Gainward GeForce GTX 560Ti 1GB PhysX", looking for firmware :P |
| 14:27.44 | mckenziemc | one of my video cards would show a black screen at startup when i tried updating the driver past a certain version; for a while i assumed it was the drivers but when i googled it some time later i found i just needed to update the firmware |
| 14:28.46 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/images/5/54/Spell_nature_purge.png << borders within borders :/ |
| 14:29.04 | AcidWeb | Vladinator: You really should get new 300.x line. |
| 14:29.17 | AcidWeb | Improvement is quite good. |
| 14:29.40 | Vladinator | I have no problems with my gaming as it was with 285 that's why I didn't bother, when I only got issues with the later betas :P |
| 14:29.56 | mckenziemc | bsods and freezing screens aren't much of an "improvement", though he may not have tested past the 200s |
| 14:30.04 | AcidWeb | Also 285 release was few days after dinosaur extinction ;p |
| 14:30.19 | AcidWeb | GPU drivers is not a BIOS that you upgrade only if you have problems. |
| 14:30.29 | Vladinator | I don't see any firmware btw |
| 14:30.54 | Vladinator | drivers, manual and ExperTool v8.5 :P |
| 14:32.12 | Vladinator | http://www.gainward.com/main/vgapro.php?id=456&lang=en |
| 14:32.33 | Vladinator | don't know what to do when the homepage has no firmware available :P |
| 14:32.44 | mckenziemc | send an email? |
| 14:32.54 | Vladinator | they don't release firmwares? |
| 14:33.01 | Vladinator | publicly that is :/ |
| 14:33.06 | mckenziemc | they should |
| 14:33.22 | AcidWeb | Just check newest drivers Vladinator. If they will crash you will be sure that is issue with your card. |
| 14:33.25 | mckenziemc | but lots of companies do a horrible job making the uncommon stuff available |
| 14:33.45 | Vladinator | I could ask |
| 14:34.46 | mckenziemc | unpossible |
| 14:34.55 | Lopeppeppy | Inconceivable! |
| 14:35.06 | Vladinator | unconceivable! |
| 14:35.50 | mckenziemc | undoes peppy |
| 14:37.11 | bluspacecow | *redoes Peppy in Velvet* |
| 14:37.56 | Vladinator | installing latest drivers then |
| 14:38.08 | Vladinator | pray to your god for me :P |
| 14:38.12 | mckenziemc | pushes bluspacecow off a cliff |
| 14:38.43 | Vladinator | good bye 285.62, hello 306.23! |
| 14:38.59 | Vladinator | *one bsod later* good bye 306.23, hello 285.62! |
| 14:39.07 | Dagmar | You should have gone to the beta weeks ago |
| 14:39.17 | Dagmar | They even finally fixed the goddamn video overlay telecine problem |
| 14:39.33 | Dagmar | I was getting video frames in whatever fucking order they felt like coming |
| 14:40.31 | Vladinator | I think many issues are unique to each computer, it depends on the component composition, all drivers, firmwares, e.g. so often your problem may not be something widespread and known ;D |
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| 14:40.56 | Vladinator | for instance I had no problems at all, just wanna be one of the "cool guys" running the later driver updates with performance tweaks :P |
| 14:41.52 | Vladinator | wow AcidWeb really! |
| 14:42.00 | Vladinator | with the new drivers my firefox launched in like max 1 second |
| 14:43.17 | Vladinator | -_- |
| 14:45.11 | Vladinator | Torhal why are you still at work? |
| 14:45.25 | Torhal | I'm not. Sick. |
| 14:47.56 | bluspacecow | You're not sick ? that's nice dear |
| 14:49.31 | Kalrth | he suffers from a case of the Fisker |
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| 14:59.16 | Vladinator | work in an hour |
| 14:59.18 | Vladinator | gotta prep! |
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| 15:02.12 | Shirik | Station! |
| 15:02.17 | Shirik | Also Unkle I have a random question for you |
| 15:02.23 | Shirik | and any other developer who wants to chime in |
| 15:03.03 | Shirik | A developer writes `foo ? (c = a) : (d = b)` instead of `if (foo) { c = a; } else { d = b; }` |
| 15:03.28 | Shirik | Do you kill him? Force him to change it? Accept it? Praise him? |
| 15:03.33 | nevcairiel | kill |
| 15:03.45 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 15:03.45 | Unkle | Hangin' is too good fer 'im. |
| 15:03.59 | Shirik | Thank you for being something of a beacon of light |
| 15:04.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont see the problem |
| 15:04.17 | Shirik | I've been having this discussion for the past 15 minutes elsewhere and I was starting to get concerned that I might be the only one that thinks this way |
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| 15:04.41 | foxlit | There are ~7 billion people. You're *never* the only one that thinks any particular way. |
| 15:04.50 | Shirik | Someone's argument was actually "but the compiler will generate better code!" to which I responded "then get a better compiler" |
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| 15:05.15 | Shirik | at least someone chimed in there and said "If my compiler didn't generate identical code for if and the ?: operator, I would be disappointed." |
| 15:05.17 | nevcairiel | the compiler really generates much different code for the two variants? |
| 15:05.18 | foxlit | Corollary: neither does *everyone* think as you do. |
| 15:05.25 | karl_w_w | is the pirates day texture on the calendar bugged for anyone else? |
| 15:05.41 | Unkle | If you're relying on your compiler to fix your laziness, GTFO my industry |
| 15:05.46 | Shirik | That's what I said |
| 15:06.07 | Shirik | er |
| 15:06.10 | Shirik | no that's slightly different, though yes |
| 15:06.27 | Shirik | My argument was more of "don't think about what the compiler will do, let it figure it out" |
| 15:06.35 | Shirik | don't try to be smarter than your compiler |
| 15:06.40 | karl_w_w | s/ I / she / |
| 15:06.43 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 15:07.29 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: but isnt that what we all did for years with lua? |
| 15:07.37 | karl_w_w | be smarter than your compiler; write it in assembly |
| 15:07.39 | Unkle | I'm pretty old school C and C++ and compilers were pretty dumb back in the day. But FFS - write clean, clear code because someone who isn't you is going to be maintaining that shit in a decade. |
| 15:08.08 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: you cant do that with lua |
| 15:08.27 | Arrowmaster | i mean trying to be smarter than the compiler |
| 15:08.43 | nevcairiel | how so? |
| 15:08.58 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.14 | Arrowmaster | do you remember some of the shit we did in the early years |
| 15:09.32 | nevcairiel | specifics :P |
| 15:10.11 | zenzelezz | we were young and restless, and needed to unwind |
| 15:10.21 | Arrowmaster | table recycling to avoid the GC |
| 15:10.30 | nevcairiel | thats not the compiler |
| 15:10.33 | nevcairiel | thats the VM |
| 15:10.41 | Unkle | young and restless and bored. living by the sword. |
| 15:10.52 | foxlit | Unkle: define "clean, clear code" :) |
| 15:11.38 | nevcairiel | "Clean Code", useful book, go read it. :p |
| 15:12.06 | foxlit | that... isn't a convenient answer. |
| 15:13.33 | Unkle | foxlit - I admit that "clean" and "clear" are subjective descriptors. I prefer to think of it as well-formatted, commented and straightforward. |
| 15:14.11 | nevcairiel | actually, really clean code doesnt need much commenting |
| 15:14.32 | foxlit | I think that just transformed your task from defining two terms to defining three others :) |
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| 15:15.28 | Unkle | foxlit You raise a good point. |
| 15:17.03 | Unkle | Clean, Clear code should be huamn-readable and sensibile, and the fiddly bits well defined in both in-line comments and at the top of the file. If something your doing confuses you when you're writing it, "UR DOIN IT RONG." |
| 15:17.04 | foxlit | where I'm eventually leading to is this: you'll probably want people to write code that can be understood later. |
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| 15:17.37 | Unkle | "But FFS - write clean, clear code because someone who isn't you is going to be maintaining that shit in a decade." |
| 15:17.49 | foxlit | but the problem with that direction is "understood by whom?" |
| 15:18.23 | Unkle | Probably someone who thinks that Ruby is the be-all, end-all of development. |
| 15:19.30 | Unkle | And I'm the first to admit that looking at my code from older projects often makes me say "WTF was I thinking/doing?" or "HTF did this even compile, let alone RUN?!" |
| 15:19.32 | foxlit | If you take Shirik's example, "a ? b = c : d = e;" isn't really more confusing than the if statement to me. |
| 15:20.43 | karl_w_w | Message: ..\AddOns\Auc-ScanData\ScanData.lua line 414: |
| 15:20.56 | karl_w_w | Message: ..\AddOns\Auc-ScanData\ScanData.lua line 414: script ran too long |
| 15:21.02 | karl_w_w | never seen that before |
| 15:21.11 | Unkle | You must always assume that the people who come after you will have less expereience with the language, fewer resources or time and they'll never know what you mean if your comments are cryptic. |
| 15:21.58 | Kraps | bleh i thought the armory showed you possible upgrades for gear |
| 15:22.29 | foxlit | Unkle: I *really* don't like that argument. |
| 15:23.40 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I've been told that so many times |
| 15:23.47 | Shirik | (go read Clean Code) |
| 15:23.49 | foxlit | It basically goes "Future people are morons, so don't use any language features at all, lest your code confuses people in the future!" |
| 15:23.49 | TC-Work | you may not like it but you should not ignore reality |
| 15:23.51 | Shirik | I should probably do it |
| 15:24.12 | Unkle | foxlit I don't like it much either, but my experience tells me it is true. Hell, I'm trying to figure out some crap a guy wrote only a few years ago in Access and VB and ... he didn't believe in documents, notes, or comments. |
| 15:24.18 | TC-Work | "People Are Stupid." always do anything with that in mind |
| 15:24.43 | Shirik | foxlit: I'll tell you why it's more confusing |
| 15:24.46 | Vladinator | I dislike the generalization, "people" :P |
| 15:24.48 | Shirik | it's harder to catch the error |
| 15:24.54 | bluspacecow | karl_w_w: did yu update auctioneer ? that's a new one with 5.0.4 |
| 15:25.05 | TC-Work | Vladinator: i think you are proving my point |
| 15:25.06 | Shirik | It's not that when I see it I will be confused by it, but rather "when I am looking for something that's not a place my eyes will typically scan" |
| 15:25.27 | Unkle | foxlit It's an artifact of changing code standards and languages. Surviving a FORTRAN/COBOL shift to C and C++ and now other languages, I have to assume that even I will have forgotten important things or gotten rusty. |
| 15:25.28 | Vladinator | so me being stupid in one area makes me stupid in general? :P |
| 15:26.14 | Unkle | And if I will get confusued by my own code, what chance does somene else have? |
| 15:26.22 | Dagmar | The moment you think you know more than you do is when you start coding bugs. |
| 15:26.50 | Kraps | what Unkle is saying is that everything sucks and should be burned to the ground |
| 15:26.57 | Dagmar | ...and all code should be written to be debugged in a hurry at 2am, because that's whats going to fucking happen |
| 15:27.05 | TC-Work | Vladinator: no, that simply proves my point, you never know what portion of reality someone is going to be stupid about so you need to assume it's all |
| 15:27.15 | Vladinator | aham :P |
| 15:27.31 | Vladinator | I was always more leaning to the "generally smart until proven otherwise" approach :P |
| 15:27.33 | foxlit | Unkle: there's a limit to how many important language features I'm willing to code around you forgetting :) |
| 15:27.56 | TC-Work | I learned a long time ago that does not pan out....as much as i may want it to |
| 15:29.12 | foxlit | Shirik: That's a more reasonable argument, but one that's based around code style you're used to reading. |
| 15:29.17 | Shirik | (08:26:52) (Dagmar) ...and all code should be written to be debugged in a hurry at 2am, because that's whats going to fucking happen |
| 15:29.19 | Shirik | I love this statement |
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| 15:29.40 | Shirik | to the point where I'm almost tempted to put it on my list of quotes outside my cube wall :P |
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| 15:30.01 | TC-Work | People put puns on my cube wall.....I hate people. |
| 15:30.07 | TC-Work | so very much |
| 15:30.43 | Vladinator | can TC love? :P |
| 15:30.46 | Vladinator | all this hate lol |
| 15:30.51 | foxlit | not like TC-Work. |
| 15:30.54 | foxlit | er |
| 15:30.55 | Shirik | foxlit: Where I work, we put a lot of effort into making code that will be instantly recognized as wrong |
| 15:30.57 | foxlit | not like = not while |
| 15:31.06 | Shirik | and I love this |
| 15:31.10 | TC-Work | that's normal for me at all times |
| 15:31.19 | Unkle | foxlit You're not wrong. :) I'm not wrong. We just have gotten used to very different environments. |
| 15:31.37 | Shirik | that enforces some behaviors, like "no conditional expressions with assignments" |
| 15:31.55 | Shirik | but after accepting that, it allows you to just expect some things from code |
| 15:32.11 | Vladinator | were you discussing about writing code in shortform and not? |
| 15:32.14 | Shirik | there was a good article on "doing hungarian notation the right way" that talked about that |
| 15:32.29 | Vladinator | I prefer not abusing short form, but I know python coders love to do just this and I hate them :P |
| 15:32.42 | Shirik | there it is |
| 15:32.43 | Shirik | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html |
| 15:32.43 | Vladinator | makes it hard to read and follow what happens sometimes |
| 15:33.25 | Kraps | sweet, i can get these off the Legacy Justice Quartermaster http://www.wowhead.com/item=58104 |
| 15:39.29 | Vladinator | why haven't we seen a two headed creature in wow that faces both front and back at the same time, i.e. "has no back side" :p |
| 15:39.42 | Vladinator | only seen two headed ogre so far, so many iterations... |
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| 15:45.16 | aggixx | Hey guys, I'm working on a somewhat complicated custom code WeakAura, and what I'm finding is that occasionally the "Critical" parameter of CLEU SPELL_DAMAGE will return nil when the spell actually crit. Any idea? |
| 15:46.23 | aggixx | This is the code so far if anyone is interested: http://pastebin.com/mpjJ2y7t Relevant stuff starts at line 39 |
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| 15:51.08 | foxlit | how do you know that the spell crit? |
| 15:52.24 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
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| 15:53.47 | Fisker | Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla Stanzilla |
| 15:54.04 | aggixx | foxlit: Because the Blizzard Floating Combat Text showed it as a crit |
| 15:54.16 | aggixx | and because primal fury proc'd and I got an additional CP |
| 15:54.50 | foxlit | okay. What about blizzard combat log? |
| 15:54.50 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 15:57.56 | Stanzilla | Fisker: Fisker |
| 15:58.23 | Vladinator | headache :( |
| 15:58.30 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 15:58.31 | Fisker | o l d |
| 15:58.54 | Stanzilla | ok |
| 15:59.37 | Kraps | http://gyazo.com/dfc31e6dcd69304ec388ba8051821243.png?1347551546 |
| 15:59.58 | Torhal | Vladinator: "Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!" - George Carlin |
| 16:00.12 | Stanzilla | and then there is Torhal |
| 16:00.18 | Stanzilla | my best friend US |
| 16:00.35 | Kraps | how can you tell if you're crosszoned though |
| 16:00.48 | Vladinator | But George Carlin is a standup comedian and he always puts things very, I don't know the words, yeah... :P but I like him, aye. |
| 16:01.02 | Torhal | Vladinator: He was also right. |
| 16:01.03 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 16:01.28 | Vladinator | I am just saying that I don't think thinking the worst is the best way to go ;D |
| 16:01.47 | Vladinator | prejudice and such |
| 16:01.50 | Torhal | Sure it is - less likely to be disappointed. |
| 16:01.56 | karl_w_w | <bluspacecow> karl_w_w: did yu update auctioneer ? that's a new one with 5.0.4 <- yes |
| 16:02.15 | Torhal | I used to think most people were decent enough until I started driving. |
| 16:02.23 | karl_w_w | Message: ..\FrameXML\RaidWarning.lua line 25: script ran too long |
| 16:02.27 | Torhal | Then my opinion worsened when I did tech support and retail. |
| 16:02.28 | karl_w_w | got it again as well |
| 16:02.33 | aggixx | Foxlit: I tried to open the combat log to view the last occurence I had but the timestamps were all wrong for some reason, so I couldn't match anything up. Now that I have the combat log actually open I'm either getting terrible RNG or it's eliminated the issue |
| 16:02.52 | Vladinator | A person and people are different things, most of the time when many smart people go in a group and one drives like an ass, they all start to behave like that guy just to "blend in" :P |
| 16:03.07 | Torhal | Yes. People are fucks. |
| 16:03.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 16:03.11 | Vladinator | I am not happy either but it doesn't make all of those stupid. |
| 16:03.29 | Torhal | And animals are dicks. |
| 16:03.30 | Torhal | :D |
| 16:03.33 | Vladinator | :P |
| 16:03.44 | Stanzilla | Torhal: can you please not ignore my friendly hello |
| 16:03.55 | Vladinator | Torhal is too busy talking with moi. |
| 16:03.58 | Kraps | haha what the crap http://www.wowhead.com/item=86584 |
| 16:04.21 | Torhal | Stanzilla: I didn't ignore it. I merely o.O'd past it. |
| 16:04.39 | Stanzilla | hurts ma feeling s bro |
| 16:04.45 | Vladinator | Bollywood movies are so fun :P |
| 16:04.53 | Torhal | Stanzilla: You are a meat popsicle. |
| 16:04.54 | Unkle | IQ is not an additive quality. Adding more people generally makes a group less clever, less inventive and a lot more resistant to change. :P |
| 16:05.07 | Vladinator | Yes Unkle |
| 16:05.10 | Vladinator | I agree :P |
| 16:05.26 | Vladinator | To a certain level I agree. |
| 16:05.42 | Torhal | tugs a bit on the remnants of Unkle's moral fabric. |
| 16:06.13 | Vladinator | If a group of smart people made them less smart then I don't see the point of studying in groups for example :P |
| 16:06.36 | Unkle | Torhal you assume I had any to start with. |
| 16:06.50 | Torhal | In a galaxy far, far away/ |
| 16:06.58 | Fisker | did you have to reboot btw Stanzilla ? |
| 16:07.12 | Kraps | " I wouldn't be surprised if CRZs came about because of a drunken challenge between the IT techs. "No, fuck you Steve! I will make the servers interact seamlessly, fucking watch me!" " |
| 16:07.31 | Vladinator | Gotta go to work now with a headache :( |
| 16:07.45 | Unkle | Torhal It is a time of rebellion in the galaxy. Agents of the Whiskey Alliance have stolen plans to the Empire of Morality's secret battle station... |
| 16:07.58 | Stanzilla | Fisker: yeah |
| 16:07.58 | Torhal | Hah |
| 16:08.04 | Fisker | i hate it |
| 16:08.08 | Stanzilla | same |
| 16:08.12 | Stanzilla | and my home network is fucked up |
| 16:08.18 | Stanzilla | keeps losing IP address |
| 16:08.19 | Stanzilla | no idea why |
| 16:08.21 | Fisker | mad? |
| 16:08.24 | Stanzilla | very |
| 16:08.33 | Fisker | i keep losing it because i think my isp is disconnecting me :'( |
| 16:08.55 | Stanzilla | I mean internal ip |
| 16:09.14 | Stanzilla | I have to plug my wlan stick in, connect to the router, restart it, then reset my ethernet adapter |
| 16:09.21 | Stanzilla | to make it work again |
| 16:09.33 | Vladinator | Fisker: there is a guy that put up a script to randomly reconnect you, just for shits and giggles -tinfoil hats on please. |
| 16:09.53 | Fisker | he doesn't reconnect me |
| 16:10.20 | Fisker | and it's not for shit and giggles either |
| 16:10.57 | Unkle | His shits and giggles, not yours. |
| 16:11.15 | Fisker | i know |
| 16:13.12 | aggixx | Foxlit: I'm only able to reproduce it if I haven't opened my combat log in that session. So if I reload and then try to reproduce it without tabbing to combat log, it happens. But if I try to switch to the combat log afterwards all of the time stamps are set to the time that I tabbed to it so it's very hard to cross check things. |
| 16:13.49 | karl_w_w | oscarucb: inspectfix doesnt work, and it knocks about 1/3 off my FPS :P |
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| 16:15.42 | foxlit | aggixx: that sounds extremely weird. Try printing the whole ... in your code, and see if your missing crits are exactly what you expect in terms of CLEU events that way? |
| 16:19.25 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=495605030469500&set=a.133548883341785.20130.133409023355771&type=1 |
| 16:21.18 | aggixx | foxlit: I'm guessing the combat log thing is just a load of shit I came up with to try to explain something that doesn't occur very often. Didn't know you could print(...) like that, trying to get it to happen right now. |
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| 16:22.43 | durcyn | pastebin your event handler when you have a minute too |
| 16:25.10 | aggixx | talking to me? |
| 16:25.50 | aggixx | ok, so I got it to happen with the print(...) |
| 16:26.43 | aggixx | It prints as 1 despite local critical printing as nil |
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| 16:34.32 | aggixx | Foxlit: Narrowed it down, it only happens with Rake. Or at least it happens a lot with Rake. The rakes in question do show up as crits in the combat log. |
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| 16:36.21 | aggixx | foxlit: Oh, I think I figured out the issue. I was using SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS for Rake, and the parameters aren't the same |
| 16:36.39 | aggixx | foxlit: The prints were misleading because they were printing information about the SPELL_DAMAGE portion of Rake |
| 16:37.18 | Semlar | rake would be spell_periodic_damage no? |
| 16:37.35 | karl_w_w | only the ticks |
| 16:37.39 | aggixx | the periodic part, yes, but it does direct damage equal to the damage of a bleed tick |
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| 16:38.43 | Semlar | i guess the damage parameters are the same anyway |
| 16:40.00 | aggixx | spell_damage only triggers on direct damage, which is what I'm interested in since I'm trying to track CP. |
| 16:42.46 | Neffi | CP? |
| 16:42.53 | Semlar | combo points |
| 16:43.08 | Neffi | CPs that are not your own? |
| 16:44.19 | aggixx | My own CP. There's a bug with Primal Fury for ferals right now that makes it advantageous to not rely on GetComboPoints() |
| 16:45.46 | aggixx | The extra CP you get from making a crit with a filler can be added up to almost a second after the attack lands, so I'm working on a combo point tracker in weakauras that only adds the first combo point through GetComboPoints() and then the second one is added based on whether or not filler crit, it doesn't wait for the CP to be added from Primal Fury. |
| 16:46.28 | Neffi | but the CP isnt available right away, so you should wait, no? |
| 16:46.37 | aggixx | it's always available before the GCD ends |
| 16:46.47 | aggixx | albeit not always by a lot |
| 16:47.00 | aggixx | which is why it's incredibly irritating |
| 16:49.16 | Semlar | i'm confused, isn't there a unit_combo_points event or is that not firing properly |
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| 16:50.02 | Neffi | I can confirm there can be a sometimes lengty delay on unit_combo_points with feral crits |
| 16:50.23 | Neffi | Event doesnt fire or CP isnt added for up to 1 sec, which can mess up your rotation |
| 16:50.36 | Semlar | does it lag in the interface too? |
| 16:50.43 | Neffi | yes |
| 16:50.58 | Semlar | so the interface only shows the new combo point when it actually is available? |
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| 16:51.07 | Neffi | yes |
| 16:51.40 | Neffi | But like he said it always will be available before the next GCD |
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| 16:53.09 | aggixx | It's just a delay on when primal fury procs, that's all. It's definitely not just a display issue. |
| 16:53.23 | Semlar | it's odd that the interface works because it appears to just watch unit_combo_points |
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| 16:53.27 | Semlar | https://github.com/Ketho/wow-ui-source/blob/beta/FrameXML/ComboFrame.lua |
| 16:53.36 | aggixx | Default UI doesn't work |
| 16:53.40 | Semlar | oh |
| 16:53.44 | Semlar | i thought he said it did |
| 16:53.48 | aggixx | That was my point, nothing works because it's not a UI issue |
| 16:54.03 | aggixx | well, an interface issue, but you know what I mean. |
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| 16:55.36 | Neffi | cheesesteak and mozerella sticks for breakfast = my worst idea in ages |
| 16:55.49 | Semlar | i would probably just check your number of combo points onupdate then but i'm lazy |
| 16:56.01 | foxlit | You know what's a pain? Trying to get a texture to fade radially, like the cooldown spinner. |
| 16:56.22 | Semlar | i think the cooldown spinner is an actual animation |
| 16:57.24 | foxlit | you're correct, but that doesn't help anything :) |
| 16:58.02 | aggixx | Semlar: Not sure what you mean. |
| 16:58.42 | Semlar | if it were really bugged and i wanted to know how many combo points i had at a given time i would just call GetComboPoints OnUpdate |
| 16:59.01 | aggixx | You don't actually have the CP from the primal fury until it triggers |
| 16:59.17 | aggixx | so that wouldn't be any different than a normal CP bar |
| 16:59.18 | Neffi | The problem is the client doesnt know it gets a CP yet because the server didnt figure that out yet |
| 16:59.29 | Neffi | So it doesnt return the "correct" amount until the event fires |
| 16:59.50 | Neffi | It's a limitation in how the server is handling this talent |
| 17:00.06 | Neffi | Druid CPs have been a bit buggy for a long time |
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| 17:00.58 | aggixx | I basically made this combo bar GetComboPoints() only 1 time per GCD, and then if a filler crits it adds a 2nd CP. That way it has both CP once the Shred has damaged and not once Primal Fury triggers 3 quarters of a second later |
| 17:01.40 | Semlar | oh you want it to display the extra combo point even though you can't use it yet |
| 17:01.46 | Semlar | i didn't get that |
| 17:01.52 | Semlar | sorry |
| 17:01.57 | aggixx | yes, because having it show up 0.1 seconds before the GCD means you can't possibly react to it |
| 17:01.59 | aggixx | and then you rage |
| 17:03.15 | aggixx | Anyways, thanks for the suggestions Foxlit, much appreciated. |
| 17:05.02 | Neffi | Semlar, the lagged CP always seems to happen within 1 sec, so you'll never hit a point where you can't actually use it due to GCD |
| 17:05.27 | Neffi | You will however hit a point where it's added .9 sec later, and then you end up waiting on the finisher because you dont realize it's available yet |
| 17:05.40 | Neffi | It's a little disruptive in PvP. I imagine it's a bitch in raids. |
| 17:05.41 | aggixx | Yep, so it's better to just tell the user that they already have it so they have max time to react to it. |
| 17:06.47 | Neffi | I wouldnt say it's a bug though, because it's existed for a long time. It's just a consequence of how the server treats the talent. |
| 17:06.51 | aggixx | Mostly happens during berserk where you're spamming shred, get to 3 CP and you press shred, you're at 4 CP so you start pressing shred again, and the about 1 or 2 tenths of a second (once you've already spellqueued the Shred) you get the 5th CP and then cry. |
| 17:06.59 | Semlar | the kill shot glyph also has to wait for a response from the server to tell you it didn't kill the target before you can use kill shot again |
| 17:07.12 | aggixx | Yes, but the delay happens significantly later since 5.0.x went live |
| 17:08.22 | aggixx | That's not as bad though, because you already know if the target will die to it 99% of the time, unlike it relying on your crit chance =) |
| 17:08.35 | Semlar | thankfully it looks like they removed the glyph of kill shot |
| 17:08.45 | aggixx | Effect is baseline now |
| 17:08.48 | Semlar | well, it was a problem on bosses |
| 17:08.59 | Semlar | since it was basically the hunter execute |
| 17:09.28 | aggixx | The pain about it was mostly the travel time, iirc. |
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| 17:11.35 | Neffi | Stock FiOS router sucks |
| 17:11.52 | Neffi | 1 year later, it just starts dropping connections more and more, and at closer ranged |
| 17:13.31 | zenzelezz | in this case, is Stock a brand; or are you referring to some conversation I missed? |
| 17:14.19 | aggixx | I think he means supplied by his ISP |
| 17:15.22 | Neffi | Aye |
| 17:15.28 | Neffi | It's a Motorolla |
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| 17:27.09 | Kraps | ~seen Arrowmaster |
| 17:27.23 | purl | arrowmaster is currently on #wowuidev #wowace #curseforge. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 2h 17m 2s, last said: 'table recycling to avoid the GC'. |
| 17:27.37 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 17:27.50 | End_ | last said: 'what' |
| 17:28.07 | Kraps | heh |
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| 17:28.25 | Kraps | is cartographer gonna be updated? |
| 17:28.30 | Arrowmaster | die |
| 17:29.14 | Kraps | ok but answer first please |
| 17:29.40 | Arrowmaster | no, now die |
| 17:30.10 | Kraps | no |
| 17:30.31 | Arrowmaster | you lied |
| 17:30.32 | Kraps | wait that was a no to the question? |
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| 17:33.43 | Kraps | why not Arrowmaster |
| 17:33.54 | Arrowmaster | because its fucking dead |
| 17:34.28 | Semlar | i'm making a map if it makes you feel any better |
| 17:35.04 | Kraps | hey alright, no need to flip out man |
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| 17:48.19 | Torhal | Kraps: It's ben about four years since it was last updated. |
| 17:48.21 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 17:48.22 | Torhal | been* |
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| 17:53.35 | Kraps | yay got my new used ipod |
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| 18:20.13 | Fisker | Stanzilla |
| 18:22.53 | Stanzilla | Fisker |
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| 18:24.16 | mckenziemc | i just found out i spend over $200 a month on gasoline o.O |
| 18:30.45 | Adys_ | For most celebrities and some public figures, the feature will return their Bacon Number based on the connections in the Knowledge Graph. Our team is constantly working to make search smarter, and features like the Bacon Number equip our users with ways to explore and discover more." |
| 18:30.53 | Adys | make it sound more official why dont ya |
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| 18:37.55 | Stanzilla | zomg |
| 18:38.03 | Stanzilla | skype supports ms accounts now |
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| 18:41.37 | Stanzilla | and metro ui |
| 18:42.04 | F16Gaming | apparently there is "goth math" |
| 18:42.36 | F16Gaming | "[20:41:16] [G] [85:Fettolah]: well sey goth maths enchant me" |
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| 18:44.03 | mckenziemc | question mark |
| 18:44.41 | zenzelezz | so I was trying to be kind (and save myself a little window cleaning) by swatting a fly out of the window using my notebook... first swing, and my pen, previously attached to said notebook, becomes a projectile |
| 18:44.49 | F16Gaming | questions mckenziemc |
| 18:45.12 | mckenziemc | dies |
| 18:48.03 | Semlar | floating point accuracy is making the edges of my textures slightly misaligned |
| 18:48.10 | Semlar | it's driving me crazy |
| 18:48.18 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 18:48.22 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/x8dlv.jpg |
| 18:48.54 | Esamynn|work | ~laugh Semlar |
| 18:48.54 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at Semlar...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 18:48.58 | Semlar | :( |
| 18:49.08 | foxlit | floating point what? |
| 18:49.19 | Semlar | the numbers aren't very accurate |
| 18:49.34 | Esamynn|work | where are you getting the numbers? |
| 18:49.58 | Semlar | for that i'm literally just using a set number of 256 |
| 18:50.03 | foxlit | ah, I see edges. |
| 18:50.21 | Esamynn|work | oh well, there's your problem :P |
| 18:50.22 | Semlar | but the game is like 256? i think you mean 255.999999999988423742 |
| 18:50.43 | zenzelezz | that's not the game's fault though |
| 18:50.50 | Esamynn|work | I really doubt that is the problem Semlar |
| 18:50.59 | foxlit | your description does not reflect reality |
| 18:50.59 | Esamynn|work | I suspect your number is off slightly |
| 18:51.14 | Semlar | how can it be off! i'm not calculating it from anything |
| 18:51.30 | Semlar | the actual world frame does the same thing if i scale it up |
| 18:51.37 | Esamynn|work | oh |
| 18:51.47 | zenzelezz | 3D graphics are inherently floating point |
| 18:52.11 | Fisker | i have something stuck in my nose Stanzilla |
| 18:52.12 | Fisker | and it's annoying |
| 18:52.21 | Stanzilla | get it out |
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| 18:52.22 | foxlit | but isn't that more compression artifacts than anything? |
| 18:52.24 | Stanzilla | and update your skype |
| 18:52.30 | Esamynn|work | so, if you adjust it manually will it line up, or did they fudge it when they split the image? |
| 18:52.35 | Semlar | look at the M in KALIMDOR |
| 18:52.39 | zenzelezz | I was under the impression that the game did funky stuff with the units? |
| 18:52.44 | Semlar | and then follow that line up |
| 18:52.55 | zenzelezz | I gave up trying to get 1 pixel borders, settling for hacking it with edge files |
| 18:52.57 | Semlar | those are the edges where the textures meet |
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| 18:53.27 | Fisker | why would i use skype Stanzilla |
| 18:53.34 | Semlar | i honestly don't know if the textures themselves could be off |
| 18:53.46 | foxlit | Semlar: if I were to take the raw images, blow them up with a scaling factor, and stitch them together... you don't know. |
| 18:53.48 | Stanzilla | best IM eu |
| 18:54.19 | Semlar | they aren't really meant to be displayed at this size |
| 18:54.25 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 18:54.53 | Fisker | if you didn't live in germany Stanzilla i would nuke you |
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| 18:55.17 | kd3 | hm... a new build |
| 18:56.00 | foxlit | I think that's just artifacts from scaling them up separately |
| 18:56.13 | foxlit | You should make your own world map textures, with booze and hookers. |
| 18:56.34 | kd3 | in fact, forget the map |
| 18:56.42 | kd3 | shudders just thinking about it |
| 18:57.37 | Fisker | i once forgot the map kd3 |
| 18:57.47 | Semlar | never again? |
| 18:57.53 | kd3 | did it allow you to stop cursing at the UI? |
| 18:58.00 | Fisker | nah |
| 18:58.19 | Esamynn|work | kd3: new beta build? |
| 18:58.45 | kd3 | 16057's on the live cdn |
| 18:58.50 | foxlit | qq, animation API, we never liked each other :( |
| 18:59.29 | kd3 | no UI changes |
| 19:02.02 | Kraps | "You have successfully activated the Battle.net Mobile Authenticator." :D |
| 19:02.47 | Unkle | foxlit did you just give Unkle-quality advice - everything can be soved with booze and hookers (or high explosives). |
| 19:03.16 | foxlit | I find that such platitudes work with anything |
| 19:03.18 | kd3 | if you consider Bender Unkle-quality |
| 19:03.43 | foxlit | XML, regular expressions, alcohol, violence, etc. |
| 19:04.23 | Fisker | only several years late Kraps |
| 19:05.44 | Kraps | heh i actually did it in the summer but then my ipod screen went all wonky and i removed it to prevent harassful situations |
| 19:06.20 | Kraps | but now i got a new used ipod so on it goes |
| 19:06.21 | mckenziemc | http://goo.gl/maps/XNGG0 |
| 19:06.55 | foxlit | and they moved animation framerate control to global settings. |
| 19:06.58 | Fisker | why not just get a proper phone Kraps ? |
| 19:07.05 | foxlit | OnBloodyUpdate it is, then :( |
| 19:07.17 | Kraps | i already have a phone plan |
| 19:07.23 | Kraps | my dads |
| 19:07.38 | Fisker | your mom is my dad |
| 19:07.58 | Kraps | nope |
| 19:08.58 | Fisker | do you have any proof to support your position? |
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| 19:12.15 | mckenziemc | http://www.wowhead.com/item=66540/miniature-winter-veil-tree o.O (old apparently) |
| 19:12.55 | End_ | haha |
| 19:15.05 | foxlit | random trivia question: are OnEvent (and OnClick, etc) handlers executed before or after OnUpdate handlers for a given frame? |
| 19:15.14 | foxlit | bonus question: how would we even tell the difference? |
| 19:16.12 | mckenziemc | by creating a side-effect in the functions and checking? |
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| 19:18.47 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: http://www.wowpedia.org/How_the_user_interface_is_rendered |
| 19:18.51 | Esamynn|work | see the bottom section |
| 19:19.23 | foxlit | mckenziemc: I don't think that'd tell you whether the events that occur are for the current frame or the last |
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| 19:20.06 | mckenziemc | maybe i misunderstood the question, but i don't think that's what you asked |
| 19:20.20 | mckenziemc | as for what you mean, idk |
| 19:20.32 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: did you click the link? |
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| 19:22.24 | foxlit | Esamynn|work: yes, you're excellent. It's a slight pity that it's a 6-year-old authoritative source, but it states basically what is convenient for me in this case, so I'm disinclined to go looking for contradictions :) |
| 19:22.33 | foxlit | Still, the question of how to check whether it's true or not is interesting. |
| 19:22.38 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 19:22.53 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: I can vouch for the authority of the source |
| 19:23.10 | Esamynn|work | I also heard the same information "from the horses mouth" |
| 19:23.10 | mckenziemc | it's the continued accuracy that's in question |
| 19:23.26 | Esamynn|work | what do you think the chances of it having changed are? |
| 19:23.30 | kd3 | though wouldn't it be the "pirate's mouth"? |
| 19:23.35 | foxlit | wait, "(This part's just provided by me, based on in-game observation and information from slouken)" |
| 19:23.43 | mckenziemc | next to 0, but you never know |
| 19:24.22 | foxlit | Were you intending to vouch for the authority of Flickering? :) |
| 19:24.46 | End_ | that's Iriel and Iriel is good at figuring stuff out |
| 19:25.12 | End_ | dunno why he uses a different handle for the wiki, but he does |
| 19:26.34 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: I'm vouching for both Iriel/Flickering and slouken here, I was present for the reference conversation |
| 19:26.48 | Antze | does anyone know a good guide about creating a SecureActionButtonTemplate for a specific spell that looks like a normal action button? |
| 19:26.57 | Antze | to display cooldowns, charges, etc |
| 19:27.09 | alestane | ACtionBarButtonTemplate? |
| 19:27.15 | alestane | Ac* |
| 19:27.20 | foxlit | That's cool. It'd be cooler still if there was an actual way to check whether it's the case :) |
| 19:28.01 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: have a user action that shows a frame... then hide it in an OnUpdate |
| 19:28.08 | Esamynn|work | if you can catch a flicker... the ordering is wrong |
| 19:28.15 | Antze | doesn't sound like a guide |
| 19:28.44 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: what's my prize? |
| 19:29.17 | foxlit | That's incomplete, but probably workable. |
| 19:29.50 | Esamynn|work | incomplete how? |
| 19:30.13 | foxlit | you could imagine a design where :Show would flag the frame for OnUpdate. |
| 19:30.38 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 19:31.01 | Esamynn|work | you didn't ask for a programmatic way to tell, you asked for a test you could run :P |
| 19:31.26 | alestane | Antze, ActionBarButtonTemplate is, IIRC, the template from which all the standard action buttons are created. You can certainly set it to cast a specific spell. Persuading it to display the characteristics of a specific spell might take a little more doing. |
| 19:34.09 | Antze | googling the name provides close to no documentation, but there's something called FrameXML/ActionBarFrame.xml, where I can see that it supports picking up the spell |
| 19:34.20 | Antze | I guess ActionBarButton is what I need (not sure though) |
| 19:34.28 | Antze | errm ActionButtonTemplate |
| 19:35.18 | foxlit | I think you're largely on your own |
| 19:35.29 | alestane | It's defined in ActionBarFrame.xml |
| 19:35.30 | foxlit | You might get the UI elements required from the template, but I don't think it'll update them for you |
| 19:36.40 | alestane | Or, you can co-inherit ActionButtonTemplate and SecureActionButtonTemplate yourself, and fill in your own code to join them together, since most of what's defined in ActionBarButtonCodeTemplate is stuff you're going to have to replace anyway. |
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| 19:37.02 | alestane | You could take a look at add-ons like Bartender and Macaroon for guidelines. |
| 19:38.29 | Antze | got it, thanks |
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| 19:47.32 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/cd.mp4 |
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| 19:50.09 | foxlit | (do people's browsers even display inline mp4 files?) |
| 19:50.35 | Antze | mmkay, I think I needed the code in LibActionButton |
| 19:50.37 | g0urra | yes, with vlc |
| 19:50.57 | g0urra | foxlit: what's that? |
| 19:51.16 | foxlit | Me faking a cooldown animation |
| 19:52.23 | Semlar | how intensive is that |
| 19:52.40 | F16Gaming | so ignored players cannot be sent addon messages, just confirmed |
| 19:52.53 | Semlar | that's correct |
| 19:53.17 | Semlar | a looooooong, long time ago my internet connection was so bad i couldn't raid because of people's addons spamming me |
| 19:53.27 | Semlar | so i made an addon that put the entire raid on ignore during the fights |
| 19:53.58 | Semlar | for some reason a bunch of little requests was enough to knock me offline |
| 19:54.52 | Semlar | of course that's the opposite of what you said but similar thing |
| 19:55.02 | Dark_Elf | i signed up for wow free 7 day promo, but there been so many changes, my old characters just dont feel like playing |
| 19:55.26 | F16Gaming | there is this guy in our raid team who has a tendency to put me on ignore, i was unsure whether or not that would prevent him from getting addon messages from EPGPLootMaster |
| 19:55.38 | foxlit | Semlar: it's sufficiently cheap that I can encode a video alongside :) |
| 19:55.47 | Amarande | heh, speaking of raids, btw, be very very careful atm with accepting people not from your normal raid group into a raid |
| 19:56.11 | F16Gaming | Amarande: hm? |
| 19:56.26 | Semlar | foxlit: i was just wondering because omnicc's cooldown pulse animations have apparently been enough to cause the game to disable it for going on too long |
| 19:56.42 | Amarande | F16: I've been reading through the bug reports forum (mostly to see if anything's been posted yet about Battle for Gilneas City, but also taking in what's important right now in general) |
| 19:56.52 | Amarande | apparently, if you PUG a person into your raid and they turn out to have lockouts you don't want |
| 19:56.57 | foxlit | meh; screw that limit. |
| 19:57.06 | Amarande | and try to take the "no! teleport me out!" option to avoid inheriting their lockout |
| 19:57.16 | foxlit | I'm still hoping that there's still someone at blizzard who isn't completely insane and that that check will get rolled back. |
| 19:57.23 | F16Gaming | Amarande: i think we had something like that the other day |
| 19:57.25 | Amarande | 1) not only do you inherit it anyway, but apparently 2) groups have been known to end up with multiple members having DIFFERENT raid lockouts as a result of that |
| 19:57.30 | F16Gaming | half our raid team getting locked 6/7 hc firelands |
| 19:57.42 | F16Gaming | we had at least #2 |
| 19:57.45 | Amarande | basically, completely hosing an entire raid week (since Blizzard apparently either cannot or will not fix anything related to lockouts) |
| 19:57.57 | Semlar | foxlit: the check definitely needs to be adjusted to something more reasonable |
| 19:58.13 | F16Gaming | Amarande: blizzard won't fix any bug unless it's related to exploring parts they don't want you to |
| 19:58.54 | F16Gaming | they have apparently fixed the mount/shroom chair/growth bug in caverns of time area where you could mount through the wall in various ways |
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| 20:00.28 | Amarande | F16: well, sometimes that's for your own good |
| 20:00.36 | Amarande | like the infamous stratholme falling through the world thing |
| 20:00.55 | F16Gaming | i don't mind falling through the world, as long as it's in a mountable area (flight form FTW) |
| 20:01.24 | Amarande | F16: heh, the Stratholme one wasn't like that at all :P |
| 20:01.57 | F16Gaming | i remember running through amnesia with monster after me. then BAM fall through the floor and keep falling forever |
| 20:02.02 | Amarande | It was more like "fall through the world till the game was merciful for you to fall out somewhere where there was some sense of normalcy, although you'd probably die" heh |
| 20:02.10 | Amarande | Pray you didn't fall southwards, like one guy did. :) |
| 20:02.34 | F16Gaming | i wonder if the place in darkshore is still unfixed |
| 20:02.43 | F16Gaming | in that whirlpool place |
| 20:03.10 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/TQcLmj8f << I hate how that last if structure developed |
| 20:05.08 | Amarande | btw, speaking of unfixed and whirlpools |
| 20:05.20 | Amarande | is there any way to get out of the area with the Throne of the Tides entrance in it besides teleportation/hearthstone? |
| 20:05.39 | F16Gaming | the NPC that teleports you is no longer there? |
| 20:05.47 | Amarande | I don't think I saw any NPCs down there |
| 20:05.51 | F16Gaming | :O |
| 20:05.57 | F16Gaming | it's supposed to be there, near the meeting stone i think |
| 20:06.03 | Amarande | Was that one of the NPCs that gives you an instance quest? |
| 20:06.10 | F16Gaming | don't think so |
| 20:06.15 | Amarande | since I know they moved most of the instance quests into the instances |
| 20:08.05 | Amarande | Wow, apparently it's a lousy time to start an alchemist atm ... or at least to get up into the BC levels :o guess it's ok if it's a fresh character who won't be hitting 350 for a while :) |
| 20:09.44 | Amarande | they've apparently changed the mats for new alchemists to earn their mastery quests |
| 20:09.49 | Amarande | transmutation mastery now requires panda mats :P |
| 20:10.12 | Amarande | and heh, someone started yet another bug report thread about Battle for Gilneas City. |
| 20:11.17 | Ressy | Amarande: The mats for mastery quests was changed with 5.0.4 |
| 20:12.02 | Amarande | Yeah, but that's what people are looking a little askance at. The fact that their alchemists suddenly have to wait for Mists and purchase what will for a while be extremely expensive mats in order to get an existing specialisation |
| 20:12.13 | Amarande | (unless you can still do the "start with a different spec & swap" trick?) |
| 20:12.30 | Ressy | If you already have a specialization, it didn't disappear with 5.0.4 I don't think. |
| 20:12.47 | Amarande | I remember for a while alchemists who actually wanted potion or elixir mastery would end up starting with transmutation mastery because primal might was cheapish and they otherwise had to go to dungeons nobody went to anymore |
| 20:12.56 | Amarande | I mean, a specialisation that's already in the game has been made unattainable until Panda |
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| 20:13.12 | Amarande | and also suffers a *massive* cost spike (how much will living steel *cost* early on?) |
| 20:13.25 | Ressy | uh, almost nada |
| 20:13.27 | Ressy | for alchemists |
| 20:14.11 | Ressy | 6 trillium bars (24 hr cd) or 3 trillium bars & 3 spirit of harmony (no cd) |
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| 20:14.21 | Ressy | If you have a miner, you're set. |
| 20:14.23 | g0urra | http://mop.wowhead.com/quest=29482 |
| 20:14.45 | g0urra | oh nvm |
| 20:14.59 | Vladinator | hi Torhal |
| 20:15.09 | Amarande | hm ... ahh, you don't need to do heroics to get spirits of harmony |
| 20:15.11 | Amarande | yays. |
| 20:15.32 | Ressy | yup |
| 20:16.01 | Ressy | 6 Trillium Bars = 60 Ghost Iron Bars = 120 Ghost Iron Ore. |
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| 20:16.20 | Amarande | Ouch. This is the very definition of pain -> "I once crafted 52 of a yellow item in a row before I got that skillup I desired." |
| 20:16.50 | Ressy | keep in mind tho that Living Steel is a 'discoverable' alchemist recipe. :) |
| 20:17.06 | Ressy | all but the first 2 alchemy recipes are discoverable. lol |
| 20:17.15 | Amarande | heh, so in order to get transmutation mastery, you're going to be spending days, possibly weeks of transmute cooldowns waiting to obtain living steel first |
| 20:17.27 | Ressy | no. |
| 20:17.41 | Ressy | You can discover it from creating a potion, if your alchemy is high enough to discover it. |
| 20:17.55 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Alchemy_recipes#Zen |
| 20:17.56 | Ressy | considering the potion you can learn it from is 1 vial, 1 green tea leaf... |
| 20:18.11 | Ressy | oh yeah.. I forgot about that page.. thx kd3 :) |
| 20:18.12 | Amarande | so basically, any panda alchemy recipe has a chance to trigger it, then |
| 20:18.20 | Amarande | like with the engineering tinkers since wrath |
| 20:18.21 | Ressy | yup |
| 20:18.36 | Amarande | ah, good. at least you can make bank off of flasks in the meanwhile, then. :) |
| 20:18.54 | Amarande | I was thinking a lot of alchemists might end up feeling forced to buy the living steel |
| 20:19.09 | Amarande | which given what stuff usually costs early on in an expansion would probably be a little matter of 10,000+g |
| 20:19.25 | Amarande | when it used to be a *lot* cheaper to qualify for xmute master :) |
| 20:19.41 | Ressy | Naw.. An the harmony stuff is easy, because you can even plant in sunsong ranch for motes. |
| 20:20.07 | Amarande | yeah, I'm glad Blizz is putting in some efforts to combat inflation, too, between easier to get mats and the BMAH and such :) |
| 20:20.19 | Amarande | otherwise, we'd be pretty quickly headed for the days when "oh, you only have four digits of gold? you poor man" |
| 20:20.21 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.41 | Dark_Elf | i am really surprised, blizzard hasnt implemented reverse tailoring, reverse blacksmithing and reverse leatherworking yet |
| 20:21.05 | Amarande | You mean like DEing for other professions? |
| 20:21.13 | Amarande | Something like Salvaging from GW? |
| 20:21.15 | foxlit | Ressy: what's this about a plant? :) |
| 20:21.58 | Dark_Elf | i mean u take cloth to make armor, well that armor should convert back to cloth, sence any good tailor should be able to take old material out of worn out clothes |
| 20:22.33 | Dark_Elf | yeah like salvaging except get your raw materials back |
| 20:22.45 | Ressy | foxlit: Songbell seed |
| 20:22.50 | Ressy | http://www.wowpedia.org/Template:Seeds |
| 20:22.52 | Amarande | Nifty, some people are getting auto-hearthed every time they ding, that must be fun for those affected :| |
| 20:22.58 | Ressy | You get a single mote. |
| 20:23.25 | foxlit | that doesn't sound like a lot |
| 20:23.35 | Ressy | per plot. |
| 20:23.48 | Kraps | wow they went all out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkU6BpbEnt0&feature=player_embedded |
| 20:23.58 | Ressy | Its not that much really, but they drop quite a bit while levelling |
| 20:24.03 | foxlit | hm, it's new? |
| 20:24.24 | foxlit | no, it isn't. Next time, foxlit, sort by item id! :) |
| 20:24.40 | Amarande | and apparently some people are getting booted from the dungeon queue every time they ding, too |
| 20:24.47 | Torhal | Vladinator: Yola. |
| 20:24.51 | Amarande | wonder what low level dungeon queue times are like atm because of that |
| 20:26.02 | Amarande | but hey, it could be worse, one could be that guy who apparently went into Terokkar Forest and got DCed and now every time he tries to get back on that character the world server is down |
| 20:26.14 | Ressy | ahh.. |
| 20:26.19 | Ressy | Known bug with cross realm |
| 20:26.24 | Amarande | I'm starting to feel like I should be grateful that the only major glitchiness I've had so far is being unable to get my worgen out of Gilneas, heh |
| 20:26.25 | Ressy | open ticket. |
| 20:27.00 | foxlit | Indeed. GMs are usually pretty fast at getting you past patch-related quest hurdles. |
| 20:27.15 | Amarande | I'm going to guess the cross-realm zones are the most significant reason why there is such a bumper crop of bugs this time compared to most pre-expansion experiences? |
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| 20:27.28 | Ressy | yes |
| 20:27.32 | Ressy | They're still fixing it |
| 20:28.36 | Amarande | Yeah, it does seem like XRZ was rushed out |
| 20:28.49 | Torhal | CRZ. |
| 20:28.54 | Torhal | There is no X in cross. |
| 20:28.59 | Torhal | :D |
| 20:29.20 | Ressy | It was tested.. But these issues didn't come up due to being very few realms being tested on: beta & test |
| 20:29.33 | kd3 | beta does not a live testbed make |
| 20:29.34 | Amarande | Ressy: is there any truth to the rumour that it was polished up to sound like a gameplay improvement, but was really done to save server resource costs regardless of how bumpy the initial road might be? |
| 20:29.36 | Ressy | nods |
| 20:29.44 | Ressy | uhh |
| 20:29.48 | Kraps | hahahaha |
| 20:29.57 | End_ | yeah it ran really well in beta |
| 20:30.05 | Ressy | very well |
| 20:30.25 | Amarande | I remember when CRZ was first announced, that's what some people on the forums thought it was |
| 20:30.44 | Ressy | Amarande: I dunno about that.. They still have to have the same servers and everything.. |
| 20:30.49 | End_ | ^ |
| 20:31.06 | Ressy | Granted, some may be temporarily retasked.. *shrugs* |
| 20:31.38 | Ressy | ie, if a server's zone isn't being used, shut down, and retask for this zone which has too many players |
| 20:31.50 | Amarande | I see that the population density is being kept reasonable, which is what I was most concerned about |
| 20:32.01 | Ressy | it worked great in beta.. It really did. |
| 20:32.12 | Amarande | shut down and retask ... would I be right guessing that's how that guy ended up with a character in limbo? |
| 20:32.13 | kd3 | of course. did you honestly think they were going to recreate HFP-on-launch-week densities? |
| 20:32.19 | Ressy | Amarande: yes. |
| 20:32.36 | Ressy | The char is stuck in limbo because it dc'd, and in the meantime the server retasked. |
| 20:32.57 | Ressy | The coding obviously wasn't there that if a char is in limbo, to move'em to another server. |
| 20:33.29 | Ressy | easy fix tho. They do have GMs who just deal with 'stuck' chars. |
| 20:33.35 | Ressy | usually fixed in under 10 mins. |
| 20:34.00 | Amarande | also, why are some people getting auto-hearthed every time they ding? (haven't seen that happen to me yet, but it's been reported) |
| 20:34.01 | Ressy | If you create a ticket with the word "stuck". Thats what triggers the special GM line. |
| 20:34.25 | Ressy | Thats odd. Sure its not an addon or something? |
| 20:34.43 | Amarande | and some people apparently get kicked out of LFD queue every time they ding, which is a real pain at lower levels |
| 20:34.49 | Ressy | ie, reminding ppl to go train (even if its not needed anymore) |
| 20:35.10 | Amarande | (Hell, it's a wonder at lower levels sometimes that one manages to actually have a queue pop before one outlevels the dungeon ... LOL) |
| 20:35.11 | Ressy | Amarande: Maybe not in the level range anymore? |
| 20:35.32 | Amarande | I *think* the guy posting that one said he had dinged 17 when he noticed it |
| 20:35.53 | Amarande | Don't think you stop qualifying for anything at that level (Deadmines and RFC go to 20-21 or so I *think*) |
| 20:37.14 | Vladinator | Torhal I can't make a macro that shows a flyout spell menu :/ |
| 20:37.42 | cbreak | I actually found someone who likes one of my addons! :) |
| 20:38.13 | Torhal | Vladinator: S'ok, I can't use a snorkel in lava. |
| 20:38.31 | Amarande | Torhal: but you can use underwater breathing! :) |
| 20:38.41 | Torhal | Not IRL! |
| 20:38.47 | Torhal | zz_Alram: Go to bed. |
| 20:40.19 | Vladinator | Torhal :/ |
| 20:40.23 | Amarande | Dangit. No more reading through the bugs list atm apparently. |
| 20:40.28 | Amarande | The Blizz forums appear to be down. |
| 20:40.43 | Vladinator | I can drag flyout buttons on my bars but can't make a macro trigger it? that's just lazy programming. |
| 20:42.27 | Vladinator | for the first time I really cba to play the next expansion, it's just not fun lol |
| 20:42.28 | Vladinator | :D |
| 20:42.44 | Vladinator | I spent this month evaluating, and nope, none of my old classes are fun anymore to play :P |
| 20:42.45 | Torhal | Oh? You're on Beta? |
| 20:42.49 | Torhal | Aah |
| 20:42.52 | Vladinator | I was on beta too |
| 20:43.03 | Vladinator | but the gameplay changed too much to what I don't like or don't find fun ;p |
| 20:43.21 | Amarande | so, what happened to the battle.net site? |
| 20:43.40 | Amarande | can't see forums, armory, anything. keeps linking to the Twitter feed, but I don't see anything about site downage there |
| 20:43.42 | foxlit | Vladinator: what *do* you find fun? |
| 20:44.02 | Vladinator | my fav was being a feral druid, hybrid tank cat but now I have to pick one and it's not as fun :P |
| 20:44.04 | bryanray | What would I use in order to stack a list of spell icons on to a frame? Would I place them on a Texture? Or would it need to be a Button widget? Does that make sense to anyone other than me? |
| 20:44.31 | Vladinator | I liked to go cat in between boss phases and do my dps, dots, bleeds, go back bear, e.g. pvp too. feeling useless going another form if not the main spec form, so meh. |
| 20:44.35 | Amarande | Game is up, though. |
| 20:44.38 | foxlit | You could stack textures on top of each other. |
| 20:45.22 | bryanray | basically what i'm doing is: [[ability icon] [ability icon] [abiltity icon] main frame] |
| 20:45.38 | bryanray | what type of widget do i use for the icons? |
| 20:45.57 | foxlit | do you want them to do anything other than simply display an image? |
| 20:46.44 | bryanray | possibly hover over them for detailed info or have a timer lay on top of them, but other than that, I don't think so. |
| 20:46.54 | foxlit | Vladinator: does something prevent you from going cat while specced guardian? |
| 20:47.04 | Vladinator | no, but you don't do any damage :P |
| 20:47.15 | foxlit | some damage, surely, and perhaps more than bear? |
| 20:47.46 | Vladinator | my experience was if you go guardian you go full time bear for most out of it, going cat, my bleeds did no damage, since you have a passive upping bleed by like 400% or something :P as cat |
| 20:47.59 | Vladinator | as guardian you don't so you are better off just going bear with vengeance buff for more damage. |
| 20:48.30 | foxlit | the vengeance buff falls off if you aren't tanking. |
| 20:48.59 | mckenziemc | taunts |
| 20:49.32 | Vladinator | ofc |
| 20:49.43 | foxlit | but yes, okay, feral lost a bit of flexibility. The other classes never had it, though, so that seems like a balance change to me. |
| 20:50.21 | Vladinator | it was kind of cool to be good enough to manage to go in out forms and use all your abilities :P now it's either I go this form or this, same with warriors, no more stance dancing. |
| 20:50.54 | Vladinator | considering it was my favorite class to micro and now I am kind of stuck being pure tank or pure dps in groups I am kind of :( |
| 20:53.39 | foxlit | I don't think that's reasonable. |
| 20:54.06 | Vladinator | you don't think me not finding my druid fun to play anymore as not resonable? :P |
| 20:54.17 | foxlit | I don't think your reasons are reasonable. |
| 20:54.35 | Vladinator | so not being hybrid anymore turning me down is not resonable? :P |
| 20:54.47 | Vladinator | I think it's perfectly resonable lol |
| 20:55.00 | Amarande | foxlit: actually, he has a point |
| 20:55.08 | Amarande | you still need to be level 30 to get dual spec right? |
| 20:55.40 | foxlit | Vladinator: expecting to be able to perform multiple roles at the same time isn't reasonable. |
| 20:55.47 | Vladinator | half the fun was being smart and going cat on bosses on the right time to dot up and go back bear and be awesome tank ^^ or in pvp to at least not die as quick and still be able to give a fight back |
| 20:56.06 | Vladinator | not really, I had to sacrifice some abilities to build the talent tree right, so I can tank in pve too |
| 20:56.09 | Amarande | before then, what happens if you do LFD and (as many tanks tend to do, and which prot warriors and pallies can still do and I presume Brewmasters will also be able to) you queue tank/DPS |
| 20:56.26 | Amarande | and another tank appears, who is higher level so is the logical main tank, then you just get to suck and flail the whole instance no? |
| 20:56.33 | foxlit | It also seems to me like the "I tank, but I occasionally go cat!" situation is so incredibly infrequent in common gameplay that it simply cannot be the sole reason you like to play the class. |
| 20:56.35 | TMc51 | Vladinator: The PVP part is what I'll miss with my Druid. I liked building for defense, and flag carrying, while being able to pop cat, and do some damage when needed. |
| 20:56.40 | Vladinator | Amarande: that won't be an issue tbh ;) |
| 20:56.45 | Vladinator | mostly end game concerned |
| 20:56.51 | Vladinator | yes TMc51:) |
| 20:57.21 | Vladinator | I could die, not like it was too OP, but it's easier for Blizz to balance druids now when you can't be a bear and do good cat dps or vice versa :P |
| 20:57.41 | TMc51 | Sure, you gave up either damage or defense with a hybrid build, but you could swap to what is needed at the time when you do need to. It was fun while it lasted, but I understand their reasoning for doing away with it. Balancing it to be able to do both was a bitch and a half. |
| 20:57.48 | Vladinator | yes :) |
| 20:58.07 | Vladinator | sadly it's not as fun for me now that I have to pick one spec and be that whole fight :/ meh |
| 20:58.37 | Vladinator | I felt more pro when I knew when to go cat and when to go back bear to tank and such, hehe :p |
| 20:59.09 | TMc51 | I olny played Druid in PVP, due to the flexibility. I'll likely need to choose something else when the time comes to level again on my PVP server. Will likely stay Rogue at least for PVE for some time. |
| 20:59.22 | foxlit | besides, you now get to balance tanking and doing damage in your tank form. |
| 20:59.48 | foxlit | Which seems like a more interesting design to "smash face on keyboard, keep threat" |
| 21:00.08 | TMc51 | Yeah. Too often cat/bear could either be gimped or OP as hell. Now there won't be much worry about nerfs/buffs to one making the entire thing OP/UP. |
| 21:00.26 | Vladinator | I felt they made aggro no problem for tanks in mop :P |
| 21:00.35 | Vladinator | I litterally did like 3 lacerate and it never went off me |
| 21:00.57 | TMc51 | Did they make aggro management even easier than pre 5.0? It was already pretty easy after they made changes a while back. |
| 21:01.05 | Vladinator | also vengeance expires now doesn't it? so in long fights when boss has a dps phase you loose AP :p |
| 21:01.46 | Vladinator | btw I mainly play pve tank in LFG and sometimes rarely PVP, other than that it's boring :P |
| 21:01.52 | Vladinator | well, wow hasn't had new content over a year so ;D |
| 21:02.09 | Vladinator | I don't care for raids personally so it's been very stale since the new 3 HC got old, hehe. |
| 21:02.13 | TMc51 | True |
| 21:02.38 | Vladinator | only fun I had was this flexibility, oh well, I will get over it :P |
| 21:02.43 | Vladinator | my 2nd fav was Paladin |
| 21:02.55 | Vladinator | but I heard a lot of lame changes were made for prots so not sure, haven't yet played it |
| 21:02.58 | TMc51 | I stopped playing last month and won't even be playing again until around the time MoP releases. Burnout and a few other things IRL finally caught up with me. |
| 21:03.06 | Vladinator | :P |
| 21:03.07 | Amarande | I've decided to level up each class, so I stay familiar with each and can grab-and-go choose whichever one I feel like playing at a given moment |
| 21:03.22 | Vladinator | how are prot paladins, awesome or lame? |
| 21:03.32 | TMc51 | I did that back in WOTLK. Every class maxxed except for Lock, and Hunter. |
| 21:04.10 | TMc51 | Had originally planned to keep up in Cata, and do have every class maxxed on both Horde and Alliance, but fell out of playing Horde since most of my friends ditched. |
| 21:04.13 | Amarande | maxed my mage, my druid is currently waiting for me to feel like either trying that quest again or putting in a ticket and skipping all the epic action |
| 21:04.15 | Amarande | now working on my warlock |
| 21:04.25 | Amarande | the only ones I haven't created yet are monk (of course) and shaman (as that will be my panda) |
| 21:04.52 | Vladinator | (oh what I found also lame was as bear I have an ability to boost dodge, but base dodge is very low now, was a bit lame :P) |
| 21:04.53 | Amarande | yeah my horde guilds aren't active enough anymore, so I'm focusing on alliance now |
| 21:05.08 | TMc51 | So, not sure about the last state of Monks, but were they still as fun as they were early-mid beta? |
| 21:05.27 | TMc51 | If so, first thing I work on after Rogue hits 90. |
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| 21:08.23 | Vladinator | I miss sentry totem :P |
| 21:08.40 | Amarande | heh, rogue will probably be one of the classes I max last |
| 21:08.47 | Amarande | despite the fact that I probably actually need a rogue :P |
| 21:09.26 | Vladinator | I am never main stream |
| 21:09.33 | Vladinator | I got a level 70 DK for example |
| 21:09.40 | Vladinator | so a Monk, that will probably never happen ;D |
| 21:09.51 | TMc51 | If it weren't for my Rogue having collected a lot of stuff, and being the one class I actually know the ins and outs of, I'd be planning on rerolling the moment I reactivate my account and get MoP running. |
| 21:10.05 | Vladinator | btw no more shadowstep |
| 21:10.08 | Vladinator | I got a little sad :P |
| 21:10.20 | TMc51 | I got sad seeing a lot of the changes :( |
| 21:10.54 | TMc51 | But apparently Rogues get swirly ball back |
| 21:11.14 | TMc51 | Which is the bestestestest thing evar |
| 21:12.15 | xyphoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.38 | Amarande | wow, blood pact got nerfed |
| 21:12.40 | TMc51 | I feel the same. My thief is freaking awesome. |
| 21:12.51 | Amarande | used to be even a medium level warlock could make low levels they traveled with virtually invincible |
| 21:12.59 | xyphoid | you are goddamn batman |
| 21:13.01 | Amarande | just by standing there and not even fighting |
| 21:13.32 | TMc51 | Amarande: I used to dothat with Thorns on my Druid once upon a time. Cast on newb levels in starting zones, they hit something and it one shots itself on them. |
| 21:13.57 | Amarande | It was nice to have your low level friends having 2000+ health in the single digit levels :) |
| 21:14.05 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 21:14.30 | Amarande | now, they just need to bring back downranking on mage food |
| 21:14.43 | Amarande | that was the one case in which the removal of ranks became a negative rather than a positive thing |
| 21:15.06 | Amarande | especially if you have 80-84 in your raid when you're raiding old content |
| 21:16.30 | Mr_Rabies | <Vladinator> I miss sentry totem :P |
| 21:16.33 | mckenziemc | raids Amarande's house for keyboards |
| 21:16.35 | Mr_Rabies | there should be a sentry totem glyph |
| 21:17.20 | xyphoid | well, you've got holy nova glyph as a precedent |
| 21:17.50 | Esamynn|work | I want Far Sight chaning to simple work! :/ |
| 21:18.02 | Esamynn|work | s/chaning/chaining/ |
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| 21:18.20 | mckenziemc | simple work? |
| 21:18.22 | Esamynn|work | simply*.. awww screw it |
| 21:18.46 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.15 | Esamynn|work | oh, it casts, but I end up back at my character more then 1/2 the time |
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| 21:33.36 | mckenziemc | Introverted iNtuitive Thinking Perceiving |
| 21:33.37 | mckenziemc | by Joe Butt |
| 21:33.41 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 21:34.36 | Amarande | hm |
| 21:34.41 | Amarande | "capture a battle pet at less than 5% health" |
| 21:34.53 | Amarande | is that going to be when *it's* at less than 5% health or when *you* are at less than 5%? |
| 21:35.07 | durcyn | i wish you were at less than 5% health right now |
| 21:35.15 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 21:48.38 | foxlit | Hm, should I bundle the Tillers stuff (which invasively takes over your right click actions while on Sunsong Ranch) into OPie, or release that as a separate addon? |
| 21:49.00 | End_ | I'd say release it as a seperate addon |
| 22:07.49 | Kraps | maybe i should reforge everything to hit and expertise |
| 22:08.05 | Kraps | i'm kinda mad right now |
| 22:09.18 | Kraps | omen needs to show history |
| 22:11.21 | Unkle | foxlit OPir uberalles. |
| 22:12.25 | Amarande | hm. |
| 22:12.35 | Amarande | exactly what is the requirement for the capital city cooking and fishing quests to start showing up? |
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| 22:13.45 | foxlit | Hm, so this needs a name, then |
| 22:13.58 | Stanzilla | oPie_Tillers |
| 22:14.01 | Stanzilla | ching ching |
| 22:14.58 | foxlit | I'm not haste :) |
| 22:15.13 | Stanzilla | Opie_Tillers |
| 22:15.26 | Unkle | Spade |
| 22:16.16 | foxlit | Stanzilla: I'm a bit hesitant to use a prefix, since some future functionality might well be independent of the addon. |
| 22:16.38 | Stanzilla | hrm |
| 22:17.38 | foxlit | Unkle: I'm amazed that's not taken by something |
| 22:18.29 | Unkle | Yeah, zero hits on WoWI or Curse. |
| 22:18.36 | Unkle | You should snag it. |
| 22:18.48 | Unkle | No need to recode ala OneRing |
| 22:19.41 | foxlit | Hm, they removed keyrings |
| 22:19.58 | Unkle | A loooooong time ago. |
| 22:20.15 | foxlit | Off to the rebranding-mobile! |
| 22:20.25 | foxlit | [mostly kidding] |
| 22:20.32 | Unkle | celebrates with an imaginary G&T |
| 22:21.18 | foxlit | I like the zone name, though. Sunsong Ranch sounds awesome. |
| 22:21.34 | Unkle | Tastes great on vegetables! |
| 22:22.02 | foxlit | "Sunsong Spade"? |
| 22:22.15 | foxlit | "Sunsong Rancher"? |
| 22:22.25 | Unkle | Sunsongville |
| 22:22.52 | Unkle | commits sepukku |
| 22:23.02 | foxlit | hey now, I have no desire to incur the wrath of zynga's lawyers. |
| 22:23.34 | Stanzilla | http://up.nerdvz.de/files/42e139-WoWScrnShot_091412_001803.jpg ching ching |
| 22:24.08 | foxlit | Stanzilla: you need better chat tab textures. |
| 22:24.19 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 22:24.23 | Stanzilla | my original addon for that is tainting |
| 22:24.26 | Stanzilla | had to disable it |
| 22:24.46 | Unkle | Use Fane. |
| 22:24.52 | Stanzilla | nah |
| 22:24.58 | Stanzilla | looks bad without textures at all |
| 22:25.42 | foxlit | screenshots need AA, imo |
| 22:26.11 | foxlit | and your leftmost unitframe's top edge is thicker than its other borders. |
| 22:26.24 | Stanzilla | blame 16:9 resolutions |
| 22:26.59 | Unkle | "Having a lively server open to the public can be fun, but anonymity tends to bring with it craziness, and a totally open and unprotected Minecraft server can quickly degenerate into chaos and griefing. It sucks to spend hours and hours creating a beautiful structure, only to log on the next day to find that most of it has been torn down and replaced with a giant flaming penis." - ROFL |
| 22:27.16 | foxlit | I use 64x64 pixel textures to fill a 48x48 unit frame, scaled god-knows-how back to actual pixels. |
| 22:27.25 | foxlit | Regret nothing, play with FXAA. |
| 22:27.58 | foxlit | (not actually a unit frame) |
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| 22:50.01 | Stanzilla | with FXAA my UI just explodes |
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| 23:42.54 | foxlit | I have a butterfly. |
| 23:43.04 | foxlit | But it got dusty from flying wildly around my room :/ |
| 23:45.12 | Kraps | lol |
| 23:51.36 | Amarande | hm |
| 23:51.42 | Amarande | mapster doesn't seem to like Dun Morogh very much |
| 23:51.50 | foxlit | I can't seem to find InCommand. |
| 23:51.56 | foxlit | Or anything else that now provides /in |
| 23:51.57 | Amarande | I have to refresh the map a few times before I stop seeing a green box around part of it |
| 23:53.40 | foxlit | ah, InDemand. |
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