| 00:00.28 | Semlar | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTransmogrifySlotInfo ? |
| 00:02.05 | pompy | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#transmog |
| 00:21.31 | mckenziemc | anyone know offhand if it's possible in openoffice calc (or excel since it migth work the same) to search for text in one cell, and if found, replace the content of that cell plus the next few? |
| 00:32.16 | *** join/#wowuidev MysticalOS (~Myst@h142.41.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 00:36.27 | *** join/#wowuidev harl (harl@dslb-092-072-004-204.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:37.25 | foxlit | lua> ("foo"):gsub("o*$", "bar") |
| 00:37.26 | lua_bot | foxlit: fbarbar, 2 |
| 00:37.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Trela (~Alexia@c-71-207-245-20.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 00:37.30 | foxlit | not quite what I wanted :( |
| 00:38.23 | *** join/#wowuidev Trela (~Alexia@c-71-207-245-20.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 00:41.20 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: what did you want? |
| 00:41.26 | foxlit | fbar |
| 00:42.13 | Esamynn|work | lua> ("foo"):gsub("o+$", "bar") |
| 00:42.14 | lua_bot | Esamynn|work: fbar, 1 |
| 00:42.24 | foxlit | yes, but I also wanted barbar from bar. |
| 00:42.50 | foxlit | or bazbar from baz. |
| 00:42.51 | Esamynn|work | come again? |
| 00:43.30 | foxlit | lua> ("I want this to end in bar too: "):gsub("o*$", "bar") |
| 00:43.30 | lua_bot | foxlit: I want this to end in bar too: bar, 1 |
| 00:44.03 | Esamynn|work | so you just want to tack bar on the end? |
| 00:44.33 | foxlit | but get rid of any trailing os. |
| 00:44.55 | Esamynn|work | ahhh |
| 00:46.12 | Esamynn|work | lua> ("foo"):gsub("o*$", "bar", 1) |
| 00:46.12 | lua_bot | Esamynn|work: fbar, 1 |
| 00:46.41 | Esamynn|work | lua> ("baz"):gsub("o*$", "bar", 1) |
| 00:46.41 | lua_bot | Esamynn|work: bazbar, 1 |
| 00:46.48 | Esamynn|work | foxlit: how's that? |
| 00:46.53 | foxlit | better than what I had :) |
| 00:49.57 | Semlar | i'm a little confused as to why lua is matching the end character in a second pass after it replaces the o's |
| 00:50.13 | Semlar | instead of just matching oo$ and stopping |
| 00:50.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~vilkku@88-148-211-12.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 00:50.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (~vilkku@unaffiliated/vilkku) |
| 00:57.40 | Adys | kd3: raw input (mouse) merged into wine :) |
| 00:57.44 | Adys | keyboard is coming soon |
| 00:57.47 | kd3 | zomg |
| 00:58.06 | Adys | apparently the wow ama is live |
| 00:58.31 | Adys | i asked about cross-realm AH and guilds |
| 00:58.51 | Adys | hopefully someone will figure out that xr guilds would be awesome |
| 00:59.12 | ajmitch | and the new /r/wow style is live, I wondered if I was on the wrong site for a second |
| 00:59.20 | Adys | yeah, its really nice |
| 00:59.34 | Adys | ajmitch: i remember the first time i visited r/diablo |
| 00:59.39 | Adys | i thought it was just some random forum |
| 00:59.51 | Amarande | cross-realm AH and guilds |
| 00:59.53 | Adys | "hey, the features on this forum look suspiciously like reddit's" |
| 00:59.57 | Amarande | so Adys, basically what you're suggesting |
| 01:00.03 | Amarande | is to abolish the idea of having 200+ realms altogether |
| 01:00.10 | Adys | Amarande: pretty much |
| 01:00.18 | Adys | its the direction they're starting to take |
| 01:00.20 | Amarande | and instead ultimately consolidate to four realms, "the PvP realm" "the PvE realm" "the RP realm" and "the RP-PVP realm"? |
| 01:00.31 | Adys | those denominations never worked |
| 01:00.50 | Adys | having RP realms was a release PR thing |
| 01:00.55 | Adys | in fact thats what RP stands for |
| 01:00.57 | Adys | Release PR |
| 01:01.01 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 01:01.03 | Amarande | heh, is it? |
| 01:01.09 | Adys | yeah sure why not |
| 01:01.26 | Amarande | that reminds me of my quip after Sudafed switched to phenylephrine for their main-line production after the CMEA was passed |
| 01:01.32 | Amarande | I would call Sudafed PE "Politically Expedient" |
| 01:02.00 | Adys | and the pvp/pve realms difference wouldve worked out if they were truly different |
| 01:02.02 | Adys | but then again |
| 01:02.15 | Adys | it wouldn't have worked out because you dont just have a char on two realms |
| 01:02.16 | Amarande | well, PvP and PvE do have an important distinction |
| 01:02.36 | Amarande | in PvE, you have to consent to PvP, even if such consent is sometimes forced upon you as part of another action, you still have to consciously do something to get flagged |
| 01:03.02 | mckenziemc | assuming no exploits :D |
| 01:03.06 | Amarande | a lot of players don't like the idea of PvP as something you have to be ready to partake in at any time whether you want to or not |
| 01:03.21 | Adys | pvp is never outdoors |
| 01:03.24 | Adys | always in bgs/arena |
| 01:03.36 | Semlar | particularly since pvp servers basically just means you can get ganked while you're leveling |
| 01:03.51 | Amarande | Especially people who came from games with unlimited PvP (which tended to be nightmares to get started in because a lot of them degenerated into "what, you thought you could actually start adventuring outside the city without 10 friends backing you up at all times? Sorry! *SHANK*") |
| 01:04.38 | Amarande | or who came from games like Diablo II where various forms of PKing were rampant (it does not help in D2's case that someone can join the game and decide to go kill everyone without any consenting input whatsoever on the part of the "everyone") |
| 01:05.11 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah, that. |
| 01:05.12 | Semlar | i've never been particularly fond of the mechanics of a pvp server but at the same time every server i've been on has been pvp |
| 01:05.20 | Adys | this hasnt really been relevant past tbc Amarande |
| 01:05.25 | Adys | they gave up on world pvp long ago |
| 01:05.41 | mckenziemc | well |
| 01:05.44 | Amarande | especially with the fact that during leveling, PvP basically follows the oldschool "hit first with the most and win" system and has none of the balance that top level PvP has |
| 01:05.52 | mckenziemc | the intent of pet battles is to bring that back |
| 01:05.55 | Amarande | with the result that it's basically "rogue shows up, ambush and done" |
| 01:05.56 | nebula169 | fighting/ganking for the world bosses looks fun |
| 01:05.59 | Semlar | they should add a karma system where dishonorable kills let everyone attack you |
| 01:06.04 | mckenziemc | (by getting people out into the world) |
| 01:06.11 | nebula169 | getting ganked while leveling is just part of life |
| 01:06.16 | Amarande | Rogues are probably the stickiest case to balance, though |
| 01:06.20 | Adys | pokemon is not pvp lol |
| 01:06.36 | Amarande | The problem is that they become almost godlike killers in BoA gear |
| 01:06.43 | mckenziemc | i'm not referring to the battles themselves Adys |
| 01:07.21 | mckenziemc | my understanding of finding pets could be off, i never tried it on the beta |
| 01:07.26 | Amarande | Unfortunately, if you try to approach this with nerfs, either you a) make BoA gear too weak to be worth the cost, or b) because rogues' PvE soloing depends on being able to kill quickly, you end up making them too weak if they're not in BoA, i.e., they *have to* have BoA to be effective while leveling |
| 01:08.24 | Amarande | mckenziemc: are the pets found in the wild superior to the ones that are obtained via traditional channels of getting minipets? |
| 01:08.43 | mckenziemc | idk |
| 01:08.50 | nebula169 | or c) you stop worrying about something inconsequential as pvp at low levels |
| 01:09.08 | mckenziemc | i'm just imagining how things migth work and neglecting to check if it's in check with reality |
| 01:09.10 | mckenziemc | not unlike you :) |
| 01:09.21 | Amarande | Most accounts tend to have rather large collections of minipets by now, so obtaining further ones is probably a low priority for most people, unless the world-hunted ones are in fact better |
| 01:10.25 | Amarande | It's like playing Vintage Magic, once you have a decent sized collection of cards, you have less and less incentive to purchase further cards (hence why Wizards makes sure Vintage isn't the normal standard for tournaments ... heh) |
| 01:11.07 | Amarande | nebula: or even think of the bright side of it :) |
| 01:11.20 | Amarande | if ganking is too rampant while leveling, it discourages people from leveling in the world |
| 01:11.42 | nebula169 | or it gets them to level with friends instead of alone |
| 01:11.44 | Amarande | which means people will turn to dungeons, which in turn means people will be more inclined to roll the much-needed tanks and healers if they don't want to spend too much time out in the world |
| 01:12.03 | mckenziemc | ~amarande |
| 01:12.03 | purl | ACTION wonders what the next Random Obscure Contingency of the Day will be. |
| 01:13.05 | Amarande | Granted, I'm still of the mindset that what they really should have done to encourage more tanks and healers would have been to actually put epic gems on the JP/VP vendors, like they did in Lich King, like they did in BC :) |
| 01:13.24 | *** join/#wowuidev d87 (~x@l49-96-195.cn.ru) |
| 01:13.56 | Amarande | The satchel solution was much less effective, and actually counterproductive in certain ways |
| 01:14.04 | xyphoid | tell me amarande, do you have any selfawareness about these conspiracy theories? do you realise that all you ever seem to post is obscure fact -> tentative conclusion -> conspiracy theory? is it some kind of performance art? |
| 01:16.06 | Amarande | :P |
| 01:16.55 | xyphoid | i'll take that as a yes |
| 01:17.48 | Semlar | you sound angry |
| 01:18.54 | Amarande | well, the problem was this: if you already were capped out on VP/JP and had most of the mounts that you might get via the satchel (as was probably the case for a lot of experienced tanks and healers), you didn't really have much incentive to do the dungeons even with the satchel |
| 01:19.01 | mckenziemc | ......... |
| 01:19.24 | mckenziemc | hits Amarande with a cluebat. |
| 01:19.24 | Amarande | you also had a very great incentive to drag the group kicking through the dungeon as fast as possible and pushing for "gogo" behaviour that most of us really don't like :) |
| 01:19.53 | Amarande | otoh, if epic gems were for sale, it would encourage people to run dungeons because it would still be a steady stream of income, since there would be a continuous continued use for JP |
| 01:20.06 | Amarande | it would also encourage you to actually kill all the bosses, since you need to in heroics for max JP |
| 01:20.25 | mckenziemc | still doing it just as quickly |
| 01:20.37 | mckenziemc | plus you can already spend JP on maelstrom crystals |
| 01:20.58 | Amarande | indeed, weren't queue times generally quite a lot better in late LK than they were in late Cata? |
| 01:21.05 | mckenziemc | no |
| 01:21.08 | Amarande | (unless you're trying to queue for something strange like reg HoR) |
| 01:21.09 | Semlar | nope |
| 01:22.09 | Amarande | mckenziemc: except you can get maelstrom crystals everywhere ... given that zandalari and later heroics only drop epics, for instance, every piece of loot that gets DE'd becomes one |
| 01:22.23 | Amarande | there's such a glut of maelstroms that people actually ask to have them shattered |
| 01:22.43 | mckenziemc | yet they still sell, do they not? |
| 01:23.05 | Amarande | OTOH, there's been a chronic shortage of epic gems by comparison (except for Queen's Garnets, and I saw an article link on Undermine Journal suggesting those might have been duped) |
| 01:23.17 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.147.143) |
| 01:23.30 | nilyaK | i bought 600 or so |
| 01:23.42 | nilyaK | I can make pets with em in MoP, and level on em in a week or two |
| 01:23.53 | Semlar | back in my day you had to spend twenty minutes putting together a group in trade and walking to the instance only to find out somebody didn't have a key then you had to go back to town and replace them |
| 01:24.03 | nilyaK | UBRS lol |
| 01:24.30 | Amarande | didn't you only need one person with the key to open UBRS? |
| 01:24.48 | nilyaK | yea |
| 01:24.53 | karl_w_w | back in my day we had to walk 10 miles to school with no shoes in the snow |
| 01:25.01 | nilyaK | uphill both ways |
| 01:25.26 | karl_w_w | with rabid dogs chasing us |
| 01:25.30 | Amarande | Semlar: in most cases, this comes under "this is another reason to take engineering" |
| 01:25.42 | nilyaK | ^ |
| 01:26.01 | nilyaK | I am so forgetful I cannot play w/o eng |
| 01:26.03 | mckenziemc | you walked with dogs chasing you? |
| 01:26.08 | Amarande | speaking of keys, wasn't it nice of Blizzard to make the relic coffer keys zone bound? :| |
| 01:26.12 | nilyaK | they were slow because of the cold |
| 01:26.15 | karl_w_w | yes mckenziemc |
| 01:26.19 | Amarande | so now you may or may not get to open the vault in a given BRD run |
| 01:26.23 | nilyaK | amarande: yea basically |
| 01:26.26 | Semlar | i meant like the attunement you had to get to enter the bc heroics |
| 01:26.31 | nilyaK | and god forbid somebody leaves the group or you die and release |
| 01:26.33 | Amarande | Semlar: ah, that |
| 01:26.37 | Amarande | especially back when you used to need Revered |
| 01:27.02 | karl_w_w | now why are all the realm names in red |
| 01:27.20 | Semlar | i don't know i kind of liked it because you actually got to know the people you were playing with on your server |
| 01:27.20 | nilyaK | down maybe idk |
| 01:27.24 | Amarande | that was ... "fun" ... especially given that the lower level dungeons in each faction had a habit of stopping giving you rep at honored or so |
| 01:27.37 | Amarande | karl: sorry, WoW is full, come back later? :) |
| 01:28.31 | Semlar | also corpses didn't fall to the ground when you died in midair |
| 01:28.43 | Semlar | and you didn't get a flying ghost mount |
| 01:29.10 | Amarande | btw, did they fix the "new players" glitch yet? |
| 01:29.12 | Semlar | so you could wind up dying in a place you couldn't get back to and had to take a spirit rez |
| 01:29.25 | Amarande | *doesn't feel like deleting all my settings to check* |
| 01:29.49 | Semlar | i have no problem deleting all of your settings to check |
| 01:29.55 | Amarande | Semlar: or dying around the Felwood/Darkshore boundary and having to walk all the bloody way round through Ashenvale to get back where you died? |
| 01:30.06 | karl_w_w | just rename your wtf folder if u want to check |
| 01:30.31 | Amarande | the new players glitch being |
| 01:30.43 | Amarande | before 5.0, if you started with a fresh install of wow or deleted/moved your wtf |
| 01:31.02 | Amarande | when you picked your realm type, it would take you to a realm you had characters on (not sure, but probably the one you had the most characters on) |
| 01:31.15 | Amarande | after 5.0, it instead takes you to creating a new character on the current recommended "new players" realm |
| 01:31.44 | karl_w_w | and that's a glitch? |
| 01:31.50 | Semlar | transfer aborted: instance not found |
| 01:32.02 | Amarande | karl: there seems no logical explanation for that change of behaviour |
| 01:32.07 | Amarande | and clearly, the old behaviour is the logical one |
| 01:32.24 | Amarande | if you reinstall WoW, are you going to want to roll anew on a new realm, or are you going to want to get back into your current characters? |
| 01:32.36 | Amarande | (or at least roll a new character on the realm you actually have characters on) |
| 01:32.47 | karl_w_w | who knows |
| 01:33.49 | karl_w_w | now to find out if win 7 will boot from an ext hdd |
| 01:34.57 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/YcRqP.jpg |
| 01:35.40 | nilyaK | not sure if okay with this |
| 01:36.14 | Motig | that's cool |
| 01:36.15 | Kraps | idgi |
| 01:36.19 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/HRVh9.jpg |
| 01:37.06 | Semlar | i miss my worgen |
| 01:37.54 | Motig | oh they're gone now? |
| 01:37.58 | Motig | I mean it';s not possible anymore? |
| 01:38.15 | Semlar | they got removed pretty quickly |
| 01:38.20 | Motig | bummer |
| 01:38.35 | Motig | I remember you could also tame a hydra (and slime?) in wotlk |
| 01:38.54 | Motig | I think they let Hunters who tamed those keep them |
| 01:38.57 | Amarande | Motig: yeah, the ones from that Oracles quest right? |
| 01:39.03 | Amarande | I think they counted as Crocolisks, IIRC |
| 01:39.07 | Motig | yeah something like that |
| 01:39.08 | Semlar | yeah but i think they didn't want hunters have a playable race for a pet |
| 01:39.29 | Semlar | this was a little while before they added worgen |
| 01:39.37 | Amarande | heh, or a player, for that matter |
| 01:39.42 | Amarande | that would be fun to explain to your guild |
| 01:39.58 | mckenziemc | ... |
| 01:40.02 | Amarande | "and WHY exactly is the tank not showing up this week?" "ummm ... something to do with that horde player in the battleground obtaining a nice new bear pet ..." |
| 01:40.27 | Semlar | hunters should clearly be able to tame druids |
| 01:42.01 | Motig | Druids should clearly be able to use their new charm woodland creature spell on Hunter pets! |
| 01:42.42 | Semlar | druids should be able to tame hunters? |
| 01:45.31 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.174.143) |
| 01:45.42 | karl_w_w | noep |
| 01:48.05 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/Us6tX.jpg alliance wins! |
| 01:48.15 | mckenziemc | Dagmar: wrt the company's mess-ups, apparantly their route list that's supposed to show every customer and what paper they get shows different customers based on which day it's printed |
| 01:48.53 | xyphoid | hunters taming druids is canon remember |
| 01:48.54 | mckenziemc | at least that's what it looks like -- some stops keep disappearing and reappearing despite no changes listed on the daily summaries they give me |
| 01:49.18 | mckenziemc | and only a few stops are affected |
| 01:49.51 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb1 (~oscarucb@cpe-75-180-21-9.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 01:50.49 | mckenziemc | Semlar: you need to have gotten a bigger monitor |
| 01:51.36 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/QMHYt.jpg this one is bigger |
| 01:55.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Sum_Wun (~sum_wun@65-36-101-251.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 01:56.13 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/EdN8e.jpg ah yes, the old lfg system |
| 01:56.54 | Motig | world wide lfg channel was the best lfg system |
| 01:57.07 | Semlar | but.. this one has a level 141 warlock in it |
| 01:58.46 | Shirik | Post office is amazing |
| 01:58.52 | Shirik | They left me a little "Sorry We Missed You!" tag |
| 01:58.57 | Shirik | in the "Sender's name" field it says "Japan" |
| 01:59.02 | Shirik | all of Japan sent me mail |
| 01:59.29 | Semlar | and they miss you! |
| 02:05.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys_ (~adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 02:06.56 | *** join/#wowuidev haggen (~haggen@201.83.141.105) |
| 02:19.11 | *** join/#wowuidev User632 (~U632@pool-173-51-205-208.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 02:32.23 | Kraps | why is there a . at every @ https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler |
| 02:32.47 | kd3 | so it shows up in the general feed and not as a dm to that person |
| 02:34.59 | mckenziemc | Shirik: they would've sent it via ICBM but didn't know when you'd be home |
| 02:36.49 | Kraps | i laughed http://gyazo.com/4dfdaf0657daccde9d239afd05426aff.png?1347416386 |
| 02:41.20 | Kraps | What is your attitude towards the WoW development community? By that, I mean both addon authors and community developers that basically make their living off of the success of WoW? |
| 02:41.22 | Kraps | I'm not the right person to answer this, but nobody on the UI team is here, so I'll just chime in. We definitely support the add-on community as much as we can. Many mod-makers are able to contact us directly. It's a high priority for the UI team, and for all of us at Blizzard. I wish I could give you more specifics, but it's outside of my realm of expertise. |
| 02:41.24 | Kraps | If there are specific issues or questions you have, we check the forums. |
| 02:47.07 | Kraps | they keep talking about "hurdles" to get over |
| 02:47.41 | Semlar | wait a minute, how many of you are making a living off of addons |
| 02:47.43 | Kraps | they need to rewrite the whole thing so things are easier to implement |
| 03:05.49 | *** join/#wowuidev d[karl]b (~karl@120.22.167.253) |
| 03:10.36 | Kraps | One feature we had mentioned previously, but which didn't make it in for Mists launch, is the Proving Grounds feature. For those who aren't familiar with it, the idea was to add what would be a type of single-player scenario that would allow players to both learn and demonstrate the core skills associated with a given role or class. You can think of them as something akin to Challenges in... |
| 03:10.38 | Kraps | ...Starcraft II. |
| 03:10.44 | Kraps | awwww yeah |
| 03:12.19 | durcyn | Esamynn|work: http://pastebin.com/tihB6PT5 |
| 03:15.15 | *** join/#wowuidev _Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 03:15.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o _Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:15.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Iriel (~Iriel@173-8-135-209-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 03:15.49 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 03:16.13 | Kraps | wtb diffs on the wow eula |
| 03:17.30 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 03:18.00 | mckenziemc | also, wow, i beat Amarande for number of lines: http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz |
| 03:18.03 | Esamynn | Kraps: I think Iriel keeps such |
| 03:18.40 | Kraps | where? |
| 03:18.41 | mckenziemc | Kraps: i just need you to initial here, here, and here, and sign at the bottom |
| 03:18.52 | Esamynn | not online afaik |
| 03:18.55 | Shirik | why am I on that list |
| 03:19.24 | Kraps | i cant see them if they're not online :( |
| 03:19.26 | Esamynn | Shirik: because purl is watching you |
| 03:19.35 | Esamynn | Kraps: you might ask nicely :) |
| 03:19.39 | mckenziemc | hey, that's what i was going to say :( |
| 03:19.51 | Esamynn | ~poke mckenziemc |
| 03:19.51 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind mckenziemc, pokes mckenziemc repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 03:21.43 | mckenziemc | Kraps: botmail |
| 03:21.54 | Kraps | what |
| 03:22.05 | mckenziemc | ~botmail mckenzie aeou |
| 03:22.16 | mckenziemc | i don't know how to use it :( |
| 03:22.36 | mckenziemc | but i think that's the right command to have purl send someone a message when they come online |
| 03:22.49 | mckenziemc | oh, i failed spelling my own nick :D |
| 03:22.58 | Dagmar | Just use memoserv |
| 03:23.16 | Dagmar | er noteserv or whatever it's called when NickServ is wearing it's gopher hat |
| 03:24.34 | Arrowmaster | usually memoserv on most networks that have it |
| 03:31.08 | Torhal | Semlar: A few. |
| 03:32.38 | mckenziemc | makes a living off trolling Torhal. |
| 03:32.51 | Torhal | kills mckenziemc. |
| 03:33.19 | mckenziemc | lives |
| 03:41.02 | *** join/#wowuidev MiRai (~MiRai@unaffiliated/mirai) |
| 03:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | there's no difference in the roll UI for BoE and BoP items anymore is there? :| |
| 03:44.51 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: What difference are you speaking of? |
| 03:45.06 | Mr_Rabies | the old UI had a different border for BoP items |
| 03:45.13 | Mr_Rabies | kind of like the elite dragon border |
| 03:45.20 | karl_w_w | people still use the default roll ui? |
| 03:45.22 | Torhal | You sure that wasn't an AddOn? |
| 03:45.48 | mckenziemc | go check the code Torhal |
| 03:45.59 | Torhal | Oh, if you're talking about the rolling frame, I haven't seen one in awhile. |
| 03:46.02 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:46.37 | Mr_Rabies | nah, it was built in torhal |
| 03:48.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh`` (~funk@5ada2652.bb.sky.com) |
| 03:51.11 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:942c:b410:a82f:b150) |
| 03:51.12 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 03:51.50 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 03:57.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Sum_Wun (~sum_wun@65-36-101-251.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 04:06.41 | Esamynn | I can't imagine they removed that feature Mr_Rabies |
| 04:06.44 | Esamynn | at least, not on purpose |
| 04:09.38 | Mr_Rabies | i don't see a discernable difference on the roll frame |
| 04:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | between boe and bop |
| 04:10.03 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.135.172) |
| 04:11.01 | karl_w_w | i swear to god this is the only place in the world where there is a delay on mobile phone calls |
| 04:16.27 | kd3 | ugh. 8 DS bosses in LFR, 8 bags of crap |
| 04:16.34 | kd3 | sighs |
| 04:17.07 | Dagmar | Umm... don't know where you got that idea |
| 04:17.13 | karl_w_w | "We weren't happy with the way Abyssal Maw was shaping up. It managed to take on a life of its own in players' minds, but believe me, if it had been an awesome raid, we would have shipped it. One of the hardest parts of this job is killing a feature you're excited about because it doesn't meet our quality bar. I suspect you'd see far more complaints if we had shipped a bad raid than not shipping one at all. We took the resources and put them back into Fir |
| 04:17.14 | karl_w_w | elands and got a couple of extra bosses out of it." |
| 04:17.16 | Dagmar | Ther'es like a half-second latency here in Tennessee |
| 04:17.21 | Dagmar | ...minumum. |
| 04:17.31 | karl_w_w | lol, there was a chance firelands was going to be 5 or fewer bosses |
| 04:17.59 | xyphoid | so which firelands bosses used to be aquatic fights |
| 04:18.41 | Dagmar | I don't think that's what they meant |
| 04:24.20 | karl_w_w | if that is what they meant, baleroc and beth |
| 04:33.17 | Thunder_Child | I really despise people that call and dont leave a message. If it's not important enough to leave a message, it was not important enough to call me |
| 04:33.37 | pompy | http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/727835/lava-vs-ice-the-ultimate-showdown/ |
| 04:35.17 | Fisker | calls Thunder_Child and doesn't leave a message |
| 04:35.36 | karl_w_w | i never answer my phone, and i dont care if they leave a message or not, it's their loss :P |
| 04:35.45 | starlon | calls Thunder_Child and leaves a Fisker. |
| 04:53.08 | Torhal | traps starlon in a Stanzilla web. |
| 04:55.23 | nilyaK | uses escape artist. |
| 05:02.41 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.184.107) |
| 05:19.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:20.34 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 05:24.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@87.239.29.49) |
| 05:24.48 | *** join/#wowuidev MidnightAge (~midnight@50-90-9-206.res.bhn.net) |
| 05:28.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Neffi (~Neffi@pool-173-56-100-105.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 05:43.10 | Neffi | Say you had 12 cores available, it wouldn't be detrimental to lock a given program (like WoW) to a few of those and give it realtime priority, would it? |
| 05:43.43 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb (~oscarucb@cpe-75-180-21-9.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 06:08.13 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 06:18.50 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@c83-250-4-57.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 06:18.51 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 06:19.53 | *** join/#wowuidev cbreak-work (~cbreak@drz-wizzer.drz.ethz.ch) |
| 06:22.16 | Arrowmaster | Neffi: in theory its a good idea, in practice i dont think any of the different cpu schudulers handle it well |
| 06:22.28 | Neffi | That's what I wasn't sure of |
| 06:22.49 | Neffi | CFS is too complicated for me to figure out how well it would do, and Windows' scheduler isnt open source |
| 06:23.09 | Arrowmaster | also i would think doing that would increase the chance of IO locking the system |
| 06:23.11 | *** join/#wowuidev wolftankk (~wolftankk@206.253.165.217) |
| 06:24.02 | End_ | it's uncommon for any of my cores to hit 100% anyway |
| 06:24.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 06:25.20 | End_ | in fact I was like whoa my cores have an usually high percentage on them..one of them is even near 100%... |
| 06:25.22 | Neffi | I only ask for theoretics. I've only got 2 cores. =( |
| 06:25.23 | End_ | turns out it was flash |
| 06:25.40 | End_ | closed chrome and all my cores dropped down to ~0%, even with Wo |
| 06:25.43 | End_ | closed chrome and all my cores dropped down to ~0%, even with WoW running |
| 06:25.56 | End_ | (yeah it doesn't stress my machine that much) |
| 06:26.15 | End_ | one core is about 5% |
| 06:27.06 | Arrowmaster | its late and my movie finished |
| 06:27.08 | Arrowmaster | night |
| 06:27.20 | End_ | night |
| 06:27.24 | End_ | I should go to bed soon too |
| 06:37.14 | *** join/#wowuidev mitch0 (~mitch@drvolomdental.hu) |
| 06:41.01 | AcidWeb | Another morning and another bucket of carbonite mud on forums ;p |
| 06:48.16 | karl_w_w | throws mud at AcidWeb |
| 06:48.25 | Sintacks | throws karl_w_w at mud |
| 06:48.29 | *** join/#wowuidev neutronimity (~neutronim@f050238228.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 06:48.30 | *** join/#wowuidev neutronimity (~neutronim@unaffiliated/neutronimity) |
| 06:49.44 | karl_w_w | pans through mud and finds several chunks of gold |
| 06:51.49 | neutronimity | The 25% speed increase granted by Cat Form should no longer stack with the speed increase of Dash. |
| 06:51.50 | neutronimity | :( |
| 06:51.53 | neutronimity | it was fun |
| 06:53.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@1F2EC3CF.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 06:59.43 | Primer | indeed |
| 07:12.04 | karl_w_w | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=otUwbCvQWYI that's amazing |
| 07:12.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Cairenn (~Owner@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn) |
| 07:12.47 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 07:23.35 | Neffi | I can't help but think this list must be incomplete: |
| 07:23.36 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/uykvv4gT |
| 07:23.42 | Neffi | Can anyone find a spell that isn't there? |
| 07:23.52 | Neffi | (Player abilities which interrupt spellcasting) |
| 07:24.47 | Neffi | Also wikis say interrupts are not on diminishing returns, is this still the case? |
| 07:26.10 | durcyn | Neffi: 31627, 132409, 115782. why are you zero-padding them? |
| 07:26.19 | Neffi | alignment |
| 07:26.48 | Neffi | durcyn: Are those spell IDs I'm missing? |
| 07:27.15 | durcyn | yes. avenger's shield, grimoire of sacrifice version of spell lock, and grimoire of supremacy optical blast. |
| 07:28.02 | Neffi | k. if you pulled that from your own list, fix it, 'cause the first spell ID is shadow bolt, not A Shield |
| 07:28.15 | Neffi | and thanks |
| 07:28.18 | durcyn | oh, make that 31935, wrong part of the combat log |
| 07:28.46 | karl_w_w | silences are on diminishing returns, but not interrupts |
| 07:29.06 | Neffi | That's what I thought karl, just wanted to make sure the logic behind it was correct |
| 07:30.03 | durcyn | btw, i don't believe lua does this, but in certain situations leading zeros indicate octal. |
| 07:30.19 | Neffi | durcyn: "For an additional duration" =( |
| 07:30.28 | Neffi | durcyn: Do you know how long Optical Blast interrupts for? |
| 07:30.34 | durcyn | should be the same as spell lock |
| 07:30.36 | Neffi | And no Lua doesn't do that |
| 07:30.57 | Neffi | 0xNNN is hex, but that's the only special thing with number |
| 07:31.29 | durcyn | there's probably also an edge case where a warlock could summon an observer with one grimoire then sacrifice it after switching, since they don't despawn immediately, but i don't have the command demon version of that nailed down |
| 07:32.26 | Neffi | There's no special logic. It just watched for SPELL_INTERRUPT and checks the spell ID that did the interrupting |
| 07:32.36 | Neffi | So it'll never misfire unless COMBAT_LOG_EVENT is broken |
| 07:32.53 | durcyn | and i'm telling you the two versions of spell lock are dependent on whether it's a pet or a sacrifice ability |
| 07:33.00 | durcyn | the same is likely true of the observer |
| 07:33.16 | Neffi | I'm including both |
| 07:33.26 | Neffi | So if I get interrupted, it checks the ID against the table, which contains both |
| 07:33.32 | *** join/#wowuidev quze (~quse@c-69-242-129-11.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 07:33.45 | durcyn | i only gave you one, i'm not sure which of the others on wowhead are valid |
| 07:33.57 | durcyn | i'm going to assume 115781 |
| 07:34.11 | karl_w_w | there's also strangulate and silence, but they dont interrupt |
| 07:34.33 | Neffi | Yeah I'm watching for interrupts so my combat text shows me a countdown |
| 07:34.51 | Neffi | Silence is a totally different case that I'm gonna add also |
| 07:35.03 | durcyn | er, countdown on yourself or on any unit? |
| 07:35.11 | Neffi | Myself and my party currently |
| 07:35.22 | Neffi | But my config is all Lua-based, so it can be extended to any unit easily |
| 07:35.40 | durcyn | self can be done with a UNIT_SPELLCAST_INTERRUPTED handler and GetSpellCooldown, but beyond that you're on the right path |
| 07:36.24 | Neffi | GetSpellCooldown no longer returns >0 unless the spell itself actually has a CD |
| 07:36.43 | Neffi | for instance frost gets interrupted, GetSpellCooldown returns >0 for Frost Nova but not Frostbolt |
| 07:37.01 | Neffi | So I would need some table to separate "real" CDs from interrupt CDs anyway. Easier to use an interrupt table. |
| 07:37.03 | durcyn | that's not been my experience |
| 07:37.07 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 07:37.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 07:37.14 | Neffi | It never used to be. Changed in 5.0. |
| 07:37.18 | Neffi | I literally just tested it. |
| 07:37.34 | Neffi | I'm positive because my cooldown addon used to fill up with every spell when interrupted. It no longer does either. |
| 07:37.44 | Neffi | Just spells with a CD |
| 07:38.15 | Neffi | Also I like having party interrupt countdowns for arena, so it's moot |
| 07:39.54 | Neffi | Am I missing it, or does getting silenced throw no event at all? |
| 07:41.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Aurorus (~Aurorus@unaffiliated/aurorus) |
| 07:45.33 | *** join/#wowuidev Jitta (Jitta@91-65-40-228-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 07:50.02 | karl_w_w | Neffi: buff applied |
| 07:50.12 | karl_w_w | s/buff/aura/ |
| 07:50.29 | Neffi | Yeah but I hate keeping tables of spellids everywhere |
| 07:50.53 | Neffi | With combat_log_event being so verbose, you'd think we'd get stuff like interrupt duration and spell effect |
| 07:53.01 | Neffi | Anyway, one more thing. Any other class triggers that have a time-relevant effect? |
| 07:53.16 | Neffi | Eg Alter Time, once applied, "procs" after 6 sec |
| 07:53.20 | Neffi | So I have a countdown for it |
| 07:53.26 | Neffi | Anything else I should have a countdown for? |
| 07:58.28 | karl_w_w | maybe frost bomb, temporal shield |
| 08:00.22 | Neffi | Ah, Temp Shield should be there |
| 08:01.02 | Neffi | The idea is more "hot effects" that you're gonna be consciously waiting on in a PvP scenario |
| 08:02.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@96-42-240-206.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 08:09.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Vladinator (~Vladinato@102.111.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 08:12.10 | Vladinator | oh, patch... |
| 08:15.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Dagmar (~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 08:15.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Dagmar (~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar) |
| 08:15.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Aurorus (~Aurorus@unaffiliated/aurorus) |
| 08:33.14 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.163.187) |
| 08:36.18 | Neffi | Cloth int gloves drop. Hunter needs & gets. Reason: im low on intilect |
| 08:36.21 | Neffi | Clearly |
| 08:36.34 | Neffi | Kicked. Reason: idiot. At least I got a smile out of losing loot. |
| 08:42.51 | karl_w_w | i would seriously hire a servant just to stir my dissolvation-based drinks |
| 08:44.12 | Neffi | I'd rather get one of those machines they use to mix chemicals in labs by spinning them super fast |
| 08:44.32 | karl_w_w | centrifuge? they don't mix they seperate |
| 08:44.49 | Neffi | Oh that makes sense |
| 08:44.54 | Neffi | Neffi be bad at chemistry |
| 08:45.20 | karl_w_w | that would be more physics to me :P |
| 08:46.32 | Neffi | Well it makes sense that they separate, but I figured maybe there's an effect in chemistry I don't know from physics. Because I always see them being used to mix in movies. |
| 08:46.42 | Neffi | But it's just another thing that movies seem to intentionally get wrong, I guess |
| 08:46.57 | karl_w_w | maybe we're thinking of different devices then |
| 08:47.24 | karl_w_w | cos ive never seen one in a movie either way :P |
| 08:47.34 | Neffi | I wouldn't say so. Movies are notoriously inaccurate, and I'm also inclined to say they separate, being a centrifuge and all. |
| 08:47.47 | Neffi | But like I said, I'm no chemist |
| 08:48.24 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@adsl-67-121-230-71.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 08:52.21 | karl_w_w | mckenziemc is a chemist, he'd know |
| 08:52.52 | mckenziemc | exposes karl_w_w to dioxins. |
| 08:53.04 | karl_w_w | see what i mean |
| 08:54.17 | Neffi | pours granulated sodium chloride on mckenziemc's arm, then places a piece of crystalized dihydrogen monoxide on top. |
| 08:54.27 | Neffi | Feel the burn |
| 08:55.02 | mckenziemc | you forgot to create an open wound |
| 08:55.18 | mckenziemc | sprinkles white phosphorous over Neffi |
| 08:55.26 | Neffi | You've never put salt+ice directly on skin? |
| 08:55.30 | Neffi | Trust me, open wound not required |
| 08:59.39 | mckenziemc | why would i do that |
| 09:14.01 | *** join/#wowuidev zenzio (~zenzelezz@85.19.77.194) |
| 09:14.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@77.238.236.80) |
| 09:31.35 | Vladinator | ah they never added GetLootSlotSourceInfo since it wasn't properly working, hehe |
| 09:47.03 | Neffi | Too bad for sites like Wowhead =/ |
| 09:50.52 | Vladinator | jupp |
| 09:51.04 | Vladinator | on a side note, GetWorldPVPAreaInfo returned wrong information for wintergrasp lol |
| 09:51.16 | Vladinator | said it's active and can be queued for but you couldn't ;p |
| 09:51.25 | Vladinator | relog fixed that. no addons override this api either :p |
| 09:51.29 | Vladinator | client bug probably |
| 09:52.36 | Neffi | lot o bugs apparently |
| 09:52.50 | Neffi | dungeon queue pops, try to port in, get "Transfer Aborted: instance is full" |
| 09:52.55 | Semlar | i for one am shocked |
| 09:53.40 | Vladinator | but that's not directly a bug tough |
| 09:53.46 | Vladinator | client side at least :p |
| 09:53.56 | Vladinator | weird client side bugs, api giving weird values |
| 09:54.05 | Vladinator | was talking about such :3 |
| 09:54.50 | Neffi | Yeah I've run into a few API bugs too |
| 09:55.05 | Neffi | I'm guessing they changed a lot on the inside that didn't necessarily need to be changed |
| 09:56.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze1 (~Antze@77.238.236.80) |
| 09:56.58 | Vladinator | still issue with trading skills overflowing so the UI bugs :3 |
| 09:57.15 | Vladinator | 5.0.5 should have been 5.0.4b :P |
| 09:59.10 | *** join/#wowuidev ScratchMonkey (~chatzilla@c-67-169-99-152.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 10:01.42 | ScratchMonkey | it looks like some spells are immune to /cancelaura so people are using a long script fragment with CancelUnitBuff to get the same effect http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6520713506 |
| 10:02.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@51B7C5B5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 10:02.49 | *** join/#wowuidev _Caleb| (~caleb@51B7C5B5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 10:03.56 | Vladinator | that issue has to do with these dynamic spells doesn't it? |
| 10:04.01 | Vladinator | that change depending on form and such, hehe |
| 10:04.48 | *** join/#wowuidev _Caleb| (~caleb@51B7C5B5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 10:05.15 | *** join/#wowuidev EthanCentaurai (~ethan@host-2-97-210-241.as13285.net) |
| 10:06.14 | Vladinator | funny |
| 10:06.15 | Vladinator | http://www.wowuigallery.com/topic/shaman-blue-wolf-ui |
| 10:06.26 | Vladinator | click the image, kind of defeats the purpose of a popup image :P |
| 10:09.53 | Semlar | doesn't appear to size to the window |
| 10:10.05 | Vladinator | it makes a popup with the original image size ^^ |
| 10:10.13 | Vladinator | should just show the image in a new window if you ask me :p |
| 10:12.22 | Neffi | Isn't CancelUnitBuff protected now? |
| 10:12.25 | ScratchMonkey | Looks like the 4-argument version of UnitBuff would eliminate the need for the loop and make the script fragment much shorter http://www.wowpedia.org/API_UnitBuff |
| 10:13.21 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 10:13.30 | Semlar | only eliminates the need for a loop if you know what you're looking for |
| 10:13.38 | Vladinator | yes |
| 10:14.11 | Neffi | Oh, not protected, but unusable during combat |
| 10:15.14 | Vladinator | why do many addons identify auras by texture? |
| 10:15.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@77.238.236.80) |
| 10:15.27 | Neffi | What do you mean? |
| 10:15.27 | Vladinator | there are some issues like shared textures so it is a bit uncertain |
| 10:15.41 | Neffi | Internally or visually? |
| 10:15.42 | Elkano | well, the spellid return value is realtively new |
| 10:15.48 | ScratchMonkey | drat, CancelUnitBuff takes an index in the original script, so that doesn't fix it. But it also can take a spell name, so that should do it. http://www.wowpedia.org/API_CancelUnitBuff |
| 10:16.05 | Vladinator | for instance platebuffs checks for the textures to identify if it's a important spell or not, since there is a list of spells that are to be looked out for :P |
| 10:16.28 | Neffi | They don't know better? |
| 10:16.39 | Neffi | See what Elk said |
| 10:16.47 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 10:16.52 | Vladinator | I did :P |
| 10:17.05 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.35 | Vladinator | bluspacecow: why do you fondle me erotically? |
| 10:17.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@51B7C5B5.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 10:17.49 | ScratchMonkey | I've been using a toggle macro to switch hellfire on and off, but it's not disabling the new aura that replaces it when in metamorphosis form. I'll have to play with this to see if I can use CancelUnitBuff("player", Hellfire) |
| 10:17.49 | bluspacecow | 'cause your cute |
| 10:17.55 | Vladinator | thanks |
| 10:18.06 | Vladinator | Hellfire in quotes |
| 10:18.32 | Vladinator | ~define fondle |
| 10:18.32 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 10:18.36 | Vladinator | ~dict fondle |
| 10:18.48 | Neffi | "dry-nurse" oh lord |
| 10:18.55 | Vladinator | nvm, googles is funnier; "Stroke or caress lovingly or erotically" |
| 10:19.22 | Vladinator | can I report bluspacecow to Cairenn for sexual harassment? |
| 10:19.30 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 10:19.32 | Neffi | If purl knows to tell you to use ~dict when you use ~define, why not recognize both? |
| 10:19.44 | Vladinator | one inappropriate /fondle and look what is happening, blu! |
| 10:19.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@dsl5402B91F.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 10:20.11 | Vladinator | because purl was just programmed to reply that as you can't make alias for other functions, I reckon :P |
| 10:20.22 | Vladinator | whois Neffi |
| 10:20.30 | Vladinator | ~whois Neffi |
| 10:20.38 | Vladinator | :/ |
| 10:20.42 | Neffi | purl, Neffi? |
| 10:20.48 | Vladinator | purl, who is Neffi? |
| 10:20.49 | purl | Vladinator: what are you talking about? |
| 10:20.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@dsl5402B91F.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 10:20.53 | Vladinator | lol |
| 10:21.06 | Vladinator | ~whois Torhal |
| 10:21.06 | purl | i guess torhal is some long-haired freak who re-writes all of Ackis' code. |
| 10:21.18 | Vladinator | purl doesn't know you, Neffi |
| 10:21.23 | EthanCentaurai | ~whois EthanCentaurai |
| 10:21.28 | Vladinator | purl, Neffi is awesome! |
| 10:21.28 | purl | Vladinator: okay |
| 10:21.33 | Vladinator | ~whois Neffi |
| 10:21.33 | purl | neffi is probably awesome! |
| 10:21.39 | Neffi | >_> |
| 10:21.43 | EthanCentaurai | lol |
| 10:24.24 | karl_w_w | purl clearly doesnt take everything at face value |
| 10:24.38 | Semlar | smart |
| 10:25.03 | Semlar | one never can be too careful about these things |
| 10:25.41 | Vladinator | purl, forget Neffi |
| 10:25.41 | purl | Vladinator: i forgot neffi |
| 10:25.53 | Neffi | =( |
| 10:25.58 | Vladinator | purl, Neffi is <reply>Awesome! |
| 10:25.58 | purl | okay, Vladinator |
| 10:26.03 | Vladinator | ~whois Neffi |
| 10:26.03 | purl | Awesome! |
| 10:26.12 | Neffi | <3 |
| 10:26.16 | zenzio | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 10:26.16 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 10:26.22 | Vladinator | ~emulate Vladinator |
| 10:26.26 | Vladinator | :( |
| 10:26.53 | Neffi | ~emulate Neffi |
| 10:27.00 | Vladinator | someone has to add a message |
| 10:27.06 | Vladinator | ~whois zenzio |
| 10:27.09 | Vladinator | like whois and such |
| 10:27.15 | Semlar | ~emulate purl |
| 10:27.15 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 10:27.16 | zenzio | like any command |
| 10:27.23 | zenzio | ~literal emulate zenzelezz |
| 10:27.23 | purl | "emulate zenzelezz" is "<reply> OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT!" |
| 10:27.26 | Vladinator | but I dislike when purl uses lower case I |
| 10:27.36 | Vladinator | like "purl: i think..." |
| 10:27.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@dsl5402B91F.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 10:27.49 | Semlar | capitalizing is for bitches |
| 10:27.58 | Vladinator | I wish I could fix the old commands lol |
| 10:28.10 | Vladinator | cba to spent hours whispering to purl to correct his mistakes :p |
| 10:28.18 | EthanCentaurai | ~emulate me |
| 10:28.18 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 10:28.27 | Semlar | you need some ice for that burn? |
| 10:28.31 | EthanCentaurai | ;~; |
| 10:28.33 | Neffi | lol |
| 10:28.38 | Vladinator | purl, is the universe infinite? |
| 10:28.52 | EthanCentaurai | purl, what is the meaning of life? |
| 10:28.53 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, EthanCentaurai |
| 10:29.05 | Neffi | purl: no, the meaning of life is 42 |
| 10:29.05 | purl | Neffi: i already had it that way |
| 10:29.10 | Vladinator | purl, say ~lua print("!lua print('test')") |
| 10:29.10 | purl | ~lua print("!lua print('test')") |
| 10:29.20 | Neffi | purl, what is the meaning of life? |
| 10:29.21 | purl | Neffi: I think you lost me on that one |
| 10:29.32 | zenzio | you're reminding me a lot of the teenagers I saw having a blast trying to make the iPhone Siri say funny things |
| 10:29.46 | Vladinator | purl, say !lua print("whois Torhal") |
| 10:29.46 | purl | !lua print("whois Torhal") |
| 10:29.47 | batbot | purl: whois Torhal |
| 10:29.47 | purl | torhal is probably some long-haired freak who re-writes all of Ackis' code. |
| 10:29.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@dsl5402B91F.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 10:30.13 | Vladinator | :P |
| 10:30.23 | Vladinator | make a for loop that multiplies |
| 10:30.50 | Vladinator | bound to end hilariously! |
| 10:30.53 | zenzio | or find something better to do than mess with the bot all day |
| 10:30.56 | Vladinator | with a ban from Cairenn |
| 10:31.09 | Vladinator | purl, say !lua print("purl, slap zenzio") |
| 10:31.09 | purl | !lua print("purl, slap zenzio") |
| 10:31.10 | batbot | purl: purl, slap zenzio |
| 10:31.18 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.20 | Semlar | STOP ENJOYING YOURSELF |
| 10:31.21 | zenzio | by all means get yourself banned |
| 10:31.31 | Vladinator | nah I am bored now |
| 10:31.46 | Semlar | YOU'RE HAVING FUN WRONG |
| 10:31.51 | Vladinator | :P |
| 10:32.08 | zenzio | IRC is serious business, you should not be having fun. You know this, Semlar |
| 10:32.31 | Vladinator | hois zenzio |
| 10:32.34 | Vladinator | whois zenzio |
| 10:32.37 | Vladinator | ~whois zenzio |
| 10:32.37 | purl | Someone who HATES when others have fun, especially playing with the bots! |
| 10:32.52 | zenzio | why do you think the ~emulate says to stop messing with the bot? |
| 10:33.03 | Vladinator | tbh people never mess with the bots |
| 10:33.05 | zenzio | ~factinfo emulate zenzelezz |
| 10:33.05 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 10:33.05 | purl | emulate zenzelezz -- last modified at Tue Oct 2 20:00:46 2007 by JoshBorke!n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu; it has been requested 12 times, last by zenzio, 6m 49s ago. |
| 10:33.08 | Vladinator | like once in a month :P |
| 10:33.22 | Vladinator | ~factinfo * Vladinator |
| 10:33.22 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 10:33.22 | purl | there's no such factoid as * vladinator, Vladinator |
| 10:33.29 | Vladinator | ~factinfo tell Vladinator |
| 10:33.29 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 10:33.29 | purl | Vladinator: there's no such factoid as tell vladinator |
| 10:33.31 | zenzio | hm, I thought it was marleth who set it... but clearly not |
| 10:33.38 | Vladinator | :( |
| 10:33.46 | Semlar | i don't think "o" is a valid number |
| 10:33.54 | Vladinator | maybe I should make an interface so I can irc while in-game, hmm |
| 10:34.21 | Vladinator | shame 3d overlays aren't yet popular :p |
| 10:34.37 | Vladinator | would be cool if any window could be shown as an overlay |
| 10:34.44 | Vladinator | I can imagine in the future it may become normal |
| 10:34.50 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure there are programs that let you do that |
| 10:35.07 | zenzio | even had one like that for the original Counterstrike |
| 10:35.08 | Vladinator | natively windows can't as they aren't 3d objects that directx can understand I figure |
| 10:35.30 | zenzio | you just draw them in orthographic mode or some such |
| 10:35.33 | Vladinator | what I meant is maybe in the future you have windows that actually are able to be directly drawn on other 3d windows :P |
| 10:35.40 | Semlar | i have no problem dragging a window in front of the game |
| 10:36.19 | Vladinator | you'd like for example so irc stays on the game window so it casts like a child of let's say, wow |
| 10:36.29 | Vladinator | so you can stay in-game and have your internal "desktop" :P |
| 10:36.52 | Vladinator | focus of windows is an issue otherwise, especially full screen playing |
| 10:37.16 | Semlar | it's possible to draw on the game but i'm not sure if that's allowed or not |
| 10:37.39 | Vladinator | overlays don't interact with the game |
| 10:37.43 | Vladinator | only draw on top of the 3d layer |
| 10:38.02 | Neffi | I beta tested one that seemed pretty good |
| 10:38.03 | Vladinator | so unless blizzard makes warden completely rabid, I think it should be okay :p fraps does it |
| 10:38.05 | Neffi | what was it again? |
| 10:38.22 | Neffi | Oh, here http://www.playxpert.com/ |
| 10:38.30 | Neffi | I don't vouch that it's good now, but it worked well in the beta |
| 10:38.40 | zenzio | fraps, every kind of voice chat, etc... they all overlay the game |
| 10:38.46 | Neffi | Not sure if it has IRC, but I vaguely remember them having plugin support |
| 10:38.49 | Vladinator | mumble has 3d overlay too |
| 10:38.51 | Vladinator | ^^ for talking |
| 10:38.59 | zenzio | exactly |
| 10:39.07 | Vladinator | ts3 too, but it's clear it's not a priority as of now |
| 10:39.08 | zenzio | though I still can't figure out why you keep calling it "3d" |
| 10:39.18 | zenzio | just because it draws using DirectX/OpenGL it doesn't become 3D |
| 10:39.20 | Vladinator | maybe if the OS itself adds an easy way to make overlays it may change how we game :) |
| 10:39.35 | Vladinator | I just say 3d instead of the engine names :p |
| 10:39.36 | Neffi | Well it draws over time, so 2 spacial dimensions and 1 temporal. It is 3D. |
| 10:39.43 | Neffi | Problem is we should be calling WoW 4D |
| 10:40.11 | Vladinator | when I say "3d" I mean DirectX, OpenGL, e.g. e.g. e.g. |
| 10:40.16 | Neffi | Vladinator: That's exactly what OpenGL/DX are for. What would the operating system care for overlays? |
| 10:40.51 | Neffi | Also the window manager is part of the base system in Windows, but it's not a core part of an operating system by definition. I think that's what you mean to refer to. |
| 10:40.59 | Vladinator | if you draw a window like a chat window, it'd be awesome if the OS could draw it in a way that lets you "snap it" as a child to another window running DirectX, OpenGL, e.g. |
| 10:41.13 | Neffi | The window manager does that. Not the OS. |
| 10:41.28 | Vladinator | it's a feature that comes with the OS |
| 10:41.40 | Neffi | In some OSes, yes |
| 10:41.43 | Vladinator | in any case |
| 10:42.00 | Vladinator | it would be cool if implementations of overlays got easier, is all I am saying ;) |
| 10:42.00 | Neffi | But Windows' window manager is not known for pioneering features |
| 10:42.05 | Vladinator | by having native support for something like this |
| 10:42.17 | Neffi | Just implementing features a decade after some Linux hacker came up with them |
| 10:42.57 | Vladinator | I said in the future, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a standard. |
| 10:43.04 | Vladinator | I can't see how this is in any way debatable ;D |
| 10:43.21 | Neffi | With the direction Win8 is taking, it seems they want to phase out what we think of as a desktop environment |
| 10:43.23 | Neffi | IMO |
| 10:43.31 | Semlar | i'm not sure where they draw the line, since it's obvious they don't want addons to be capable of importing or exporting information from the game while it's running |
| 10:44.16 | Vladinator | Semlar: you think I mean injecting into the game runtime, no, this is an overlay based feature of simply how the graphic card draws your 3d engine content :P |
| 10:44.25 | Neffi | Semlar: I've asked on the official forums, and others have too. If it's nothing but an overlay, there's no violation. It doesn't touch the game client or interact with it whatsoever. All it does is draw on the same screen as WoW. |
| 10:44.29 | Vladinator | an window over the other is just visual, stricktly speaking they are separate. |
| 10:44.55 | Semlar | yeah.. but drawing a browser directly on top of the game would let you just look up whatever information you want about your target on the armory, for example |
| 10:44.57 | Vladinator | if your overlay places a minimap that it injects in the game to gather data, that is something entirely else :3 |
| 10:45.04 | Vladinator | yeah, and that's okay :P |
| 10:45.07 | Neffi | Semlar: So? |
| 10:45.23 | Vladinator | people already play window mode with pvp area programs for quick lookup of opponent teams :P |
| 10:45.29 | Vladinator | arena* |
| 10:45.33 | Semlar | so they went to some pretty great lengths to prevent you from importing information into the game |
| 10:45.37 | Neffi | The reason Lua can't make 'net connections is they don't want you importing external data directly into the client, because some edge cases can be used for exploitation. |
| 10:45.39 | Semlar | i don't know |
| 10:45.50 | Neffi | They have "windowed mode" for a reason: so you can use your browser and shit like this easily |
| 10:46.05 | Vladinator | there is a limit how fast a human can process information |
| 10:46.19 | Vladinator | while a lua script can do something that takes you ages, in a second, that's advantage they don't want :P |
| 10:46.30 | Vladinator | if you still gotta enter in the url and such it's not really a huge advantage ^^ |
| 10:46.58 | Vladinator | in any case, Semlar, don't worry :P |
| 10:47.02 | Neffi | Ugh |
| 10:47.17 | Neffi | Every time I decide to stay up all night I regret it halfway through, when it's too late to sleep and not miss school |
| 10:47.32 | Neffi | Away, I need to go sit in the cold and smoke a few cigs to wake me up |
| 10:48.24 | Vladinator | there is a perfect word for this in norwegian, kverulere, in english I guess closest is something like grumble |
| 10:48.29 | Vladinator | a lot of people like to do that, lol :P |
| 10:48.32 | Vladinator | kind of tiresome |
| 10:48.51 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 10:48.56 | Vladinator | you go to school and smoke? |
| 10:49.02 | Vladinator | I guess you're one of the "cool kids"? |
| 10:49.27 | Vladinator | :P |
| 10:55.37 | Vladinator | Neffi: :( |
| 10:55.58 | Semlar | he's busy waking up |
| 10:57.31 | Neffi | Actually I can grumble endlessly because my campus just instated a no-smoking policy |
| 10:57.38 | Neffi | Fucking douches |
| 10:59.05 | Semlar | the nerve of some folk |
| 10:59.19 | Neffi | It's a relatively large, open-air campus |
| 10:59.57 | Neffi | We had designated smoking areas. Litter and smoke was no problem. But it's a city university in NY, where the people believe a 400% tax on tobacco is reasonable because "smoking is icky" |
| 11:00.09 | Neffi | Yet obesity is fine |
| 11:01.15 | Neffi | Sorry, 370% tax. And it's due to go up again, if I know this city as well as I think I do. |
| 11:01.42 | Vladinator | :D |
| 11:02.05 | Vladinator | sorry for off topic, but when an addon is LOD are it's variables loaded when its code runs? |
| 11:02.06 | Semlar | ah the sin tax |
| 11:02.49 | Semlar | saved variables? i don't know |
| 11:03.05 | Semlar | i think the client might load them when it starts |
| 11:03.18 | Semlar | even if they aren't available in-game |
| 11:04.14 | Vladinator | I know how it acts when addons load normally |
| 11:04.19 | Vladinator | just curious if they pre-load when it's a LOD :P |
| 11:04.29 | Vladinator | or if my LOD addon has to check addon_loaded event for itself ;P |
| 11:04.37 | Semlar | it will have to check addon_loaded |
| 11:04.44 | Vladinator | hmm, weird |
| 11:04.53 | Vladinator | shame LOD addons can't load their stuffs beforehand! :P |
| 11:05.05 | Semlar | well, it's kind of the point now isn't it |
| 11:06.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Amarande (amarande@24-151-15-23.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) |
| 11:07.36 | *** join/#wowuidev wolftankk (~wolftankk@180.175.171.130) |
| 11:10.03 | Semlar | this is proving to be a pain in the ass to make my addon efficient |
| 11:10.31 | Semlar | but it absolutely destroys the game if i leave it the way it is |
| 11:11.25 | Semlar | the client has a surprising amount of difficulty rendering textures without slowing down |
| 11:11.45 | zenzio | how so? |
| 11:12.05 | Semlar | just having a bunch of textures on screen kills the fps even when they aren't doing anything |
| 11:12.12 | Vladinator | it does :3 |
| 11:12.21 | zenzio | how many are "a bunch"? |
| 11:12.23 | Vladinator | like having minimap textures combine |
| 11:12.32 | Vladinator | let's say a world map made out of minimap textures |
| 11:12.37 | Semlar | oddly enough the minimap textures are less of an issue than the overlays |
| 11:12.54 | Vladinator | make minimap of the continent ;D |
| 11:13.01 | Vladinator | when you wanna drag that biatch you have 1 fps :P |
| 11:13.16 | Semlar | nah one continent it performs fine with just minimap textures |
| 11:13.27 | Semlar | like just this http://i.imgur.com/QMHYt.jpg |
| 11:13.55 | Semlar | rendering THIS http://i.imgur.com/PjyYd.jpg destroyed my game |
| 11:14.01 | zenzio | that is pretty cool |
| 11:14.36 | Semlar | but that's the minimap textures with the normal map overlays (discovered areas) on top of them and then the zone maps on top of that |
| 11:15.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou| (~Caribou@206.112-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 11:15.17 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/tWPGX.jpg this is just an example of how many individual textures go into the map overlays |
| 11:16.26 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 11:16.36 | Neffi | Can you run a script to count how many your full map uses? |
| 11:16.39 | Neffi | I'm really curious |
| 11:16.44 | Neffi | (how many = textures) |
| 11:16.49 | Vladinator | that's how it is when the maps are designed like that |
| 11:16.54 | Vladinator | I really like GW minimap :P |
| 11:16.59 | Vladinator | it's map and minimap in one :( |
| 11:17.01 | Vladinator | wtb that |
| 11:17.58 | Semlar | i don't have that version loaded right now otherwise i'd count the textures |
| 11:18.52 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/L6tlI.jpg here's an exploded version of northrend though |
| 11:20.09 | Neffi | That's a lot of textures |
| 11:20.34 | Semlar | and the minimap textures are actually relatively large compared to the overlays |
| 11:21.20 | Amarande | c'mon, don't you know what the modern PC gaming paradigm is in terms of "client has a surprising amount of difficulty"? |
| 11:21.31 | Amarande | it means "time to upgrade your hardware again" :) |
| 11:21.47 | Semlar | true, my hardware could use an upgrade |
| 11:21.48 | Vladinator | got 1k gold for overflowing JP |
| 11:21.49 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 11:21.57 | Vladinator | Semlar: question |
| 11:22.06 | Semlar | but i would still need to make it more efficient |
| 11:22.09 | Vladinator | about minimap, how do you know what part is supposed to be where? |
| 11:22.17 | Vladinator | last time I checked the minimap textures had fun names |
| 11:22.18 | Semlar | a lot of stupid math |
| 11:22.39 | Vladinator | :D |
| 11:22.43 | Semlar | I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO MATH |
| 11:22.46 | Vladinator | does it save performance? |
| 11:22.51 | Vladinator | to keep the file structure like that |
| 11:23.04 | Amarande | hrm. did gatherer break or does it just not show nodes in places like starting Gilneas? |
| 11:23.27 | Semlar | well it means they only have to load whatever textures they need instead of a much bigger texture that they don't need all of |
| 11:23.46 | Semlar | and it probably makes it easier to add onto without changing existing stuff |
| 11:23.51 | Vladinator | here is a fun challenge, Semlar |
| 11:24.04 | Vladinator | make a minimap that consists of 9 minimap textures (middle one is regular) |
| 11:24.11 | Vladinator | then make it work with rotating minimap :P |
| 11:24.27 | Vladinator | since you love math so much |
| 11:24.41 | Semlar | rotation should be possible but not anytime soon |
| 11:25.14 | Vladinator | you gotta move the textures around too and rotate ;P |
| 11:25.16 | Vladinator | big job |
| 11:25.19 | Semlar | the other thing is minimap textures only exist for outdoor areas |
| 11:25.29 | Vladinator | when you go in they turn black? :P |
| 11:25.43 | Semlar | the indoor ones are in wmo files and are pieced together strangely |
| 11:26.28 | Semlar | i want it to just use the zone map when i'm in an area like that |
| 11:27.08 | Semlar | even if i could render the minimaps for those areas they wouldn't look that great |
| 11:28.16 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/DnXoU.jpg this is a pretty good indication of the size of each minimap tile |
| 11:29.30 | Vladinator | well |
| 11:29.38 | Vladinator | it's not THAT bad if you can make it to scale |
| 11:29.40 | Vladinator | the minimap part |
| 11:29.43 | Vladinator | and even if not |
| 11:29.48 | Vladinator | gives a sense where you are I guess |
| 11:29.56 | Vladinator | depends on your taste ;3 |
| 11:30.03 | Stanzilla | hey mister databaser |
| 11:30.08 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2KyCX.jpg this is to scale |
| 11:30.28 | Vladinator | if I login, queue for world pvp (tol barad), logout, log back in, the queue bugs :( |
| 11:30.31 | Vladinator | got to relog AGAIN |
| 11:30.40 | Vladinator | it's an API issue |
| 11:31.00 | Semlar | you can see the edges of the minimap line up |
| 11:31.59 | Vladinator | yes |
| 11:32.05 | Vladinator | what happens if you zoom in/out? |
| 11:32.09 | Vladinator | the factor is constant |
| 11:32.14 | Vladinator | should be doable |
| 11:32.22 | Semlar | it's not constant |
| 11:32.37 | Semlar | i had to figure out what each zoom level was |
| 11:32.48 | Vladinator | I mean |
| 11:32.52 | Vladinator | each zoom level has it's constant :p |
| 11:32.54 | Vladinator | scale factorz |
| 11:32.59 | Semlar | yeah |
| 11:33.07 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (~alestane@c-24-34-18-89.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 11:33.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 11:33.16 | Semlar | there are like 5 for outdoors and indoors |
| 11:33.26 | Neffi | 0-5 = 6 |
| 11:33.30 | Semlar | whatever |
| 11:33.33 | Neffi | =P |
| 11:33.34 | Semlar | there's a lot |
| 11:33.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Kurapica (~chatzilla@118.133.113.160) |
| 11:33.52 | Semlar | i was also just doing it by hand so there's probably a better way to do it |
| 11:34.37 | Semlar | actually the zoom levels are kind of meaningless, i can resize the minimap itself |
| 11:35.07 | Semlar | i could keep it on its furthest zoom out and just scale it up to keep all of the blips and still zoom in |
| 11:35.14 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (~foxlit@188.177.103.242) |
| 11:36.04 | Semlar | if you use the actual zoom feature it pushes dots out of your viewing radius |
| 11:36.25 | Semlar | which is less helpful if you have a map that's bigger than the normal minimap |
| 11:36.26 | Vladinator | but won't the dots scale larger? |
| 11:36.28 | Vladinator | if you zoom in |
| 11:36.41 | Semlar | no, only if you use SetScale |
| 11:36.42 | Vladinator | so you can't separate them if there are 10 dots very close, something you can do if you zoom in |
| 11:36.46 | Vladinator | aha |
| 11:36.55 | Semlar | if you use SetSize it just makes it bigger |
| 11:36.58 | Vladinator | aha |
| 11:37.03 | Vladinator | so the dots stay same size ^^ |
| 11:37.13 | Semlar | actually oddly enough the dots shrink |
| 11:37.18 | Semlar | i should look into that |
| 11:37.21 | Vladinator | :D |
| 11:37.36 | Semlar | the minimap behaves pretty strangely |
| 11:38.34 | Semlar | i could combine SetSize and SetScale to keep the sizes consistent if i had to |
| 11:39.20 | Vladinator | only lame thing is I think no other addons will work with yours |
| 11:39.25 | Vladinator | if you change how everything works ;D |
| 11:39.28 | Vladinator | sadly |
| 11:40.09 | Semlar | depends on how they add stuff to the map |
| 11:40.17 | Semlar | i might be able to support things |
| 11:40.20 | Vladinator | was thinking of the zoom levels and stuff |
| 11:40.56 | Semlar | i think the biggest problem is that i'm stitching separate zones together which is not at all going to be supported by anything |
| 11:41.12 | Vladinator | :( |
| 11:42.36 | Semlar | i don't know, i might be able to find a way around that |
| 11:46.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Kurapica_ (~chatzilla@118.133.113.160) |
| 11:50.50 | Amarande | wow, they made guild rep finally not suck this patch |
| 11:53.19 | alestane | How so? |
| 11:53.50 | Stanzilla | takes cover |
| 11:54.17 | Amarande | alestane: you get quite a hefty helping of it just by doing normal questing |
| 11:54.43 | Amarande | before, you used to get a paltry amount from that |
| 11:54.51 | Amarande | there also seems to be no daily/weekly cap on guild rep anymore |
| 11:55.03 | Amarande | I guess it does kind of make the upgraded guild tabards useless, though, but ... ah well heh |
| 11:55.11 | alestane | "Items in the Auction House UI should no longer display in reverse order when sorted." |
| 11:55.28 | nevcairiel | i was wondering what was up with that |
| 11:56.05 | nevcairiel | it seemd all backwards |
| 11:57.24 | Amarande | also: leveling this druid is feeling a lot more worry-free than leveling a mage did. in fact, I'm starting to feel kind of invincible-ish. |
| 11:57.55 | Amarande | (I guess I'll probably find myself a little less invincible-ish when I hit 80 and go to cata, but my gut feeling is "just a little") |
| 11:58.15 | Vladinator | I dislike druids now :( |
| 11:58.20 | Vladinator | I prefered cat and bear in one spec |
| 11:58.25 | Vladinator | I had a little from both ^^ |
| 11:58.27 | Amarande | seems like half the guild are rolling druids lately heh |
| 11:58.30 | Vladinator | so I could enjoy some pvp and tanking :D |
| 11:58.36 | Vladinator | now guardian I can't kill in pvp :P |
| 11:58.41 | Vladinator | I only die :( |
| 11:58.43 | Amarande | ah, I went resto, with a view to dual speccing balance later |
| 11:58.45 | Motig | sure you can |
| 11:58.48 | Motig | with typhoon! |
| 11:58.51 | Vladinator | :P |
| 11:59.34 | Motig | no seriously though, I've been playing pvp as Guardian and while you don't have a lot of killing power it's always fun fighting warriors/rogues |
| 11:59.45 | Motig | and just being an annoyance to the enemy team because you don't die very fast |
| 12:06.15 | Sintacks | or, be disc. and don't die at all |
| 12:08.01 | Amarande | Sintacks, or resto druid? :) |
| 12:08.37 | Amarande | heh, I remember dueling a resto druid once as a disc priest |
| 12:08.56 | Amarande | "This is the fight that never ends, it goes on and on my friends. Some people started it not knowing what it was, and they'll be fighting on forever just because." |
| 12:09.09 | Sintacks | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 12:09.12 | Sintacks | i was about to go to sleep |
| 12:09.17 | Sintacks | now i'm going to have that stuck in my head |
| 12:09.18 | Sintacks | thanks |
| 12:09.19 | Sintacks | :( |
| 12:10.17 | foxlit | sleep is for the weak. Besides, its 14:10! |
| 12:10.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@5ada2652.bb.sky.com) |
| 12:10.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 12:17.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Kurapica (~chatzilla@118.133.113.160) |
| 12:22.04 | Torhal | growls at Vladinator for pinging him at obscene hours of the morning, then sells him to Stanzilla. |
| 12:22.12 | Vladinator | :D |
| 12:22.20 | Vladinator | its 1430 atm |
| 12:22.20 | Vladinator | :D |
| 12:22.33 | Torhal | You have a strange world-view. |
| 12:22.40 | Torhal | 07:22 |
| 12:23.57 | Torhal | Actually, the guy who has a REALLY strange worldview is the one who wants to argue with an AddOn author (me) about AddOns being able to access an SQL DB. Also, saying that an SQL server is now required for said DB. |
| 12:24.00 | Torhal | headdesks. |
| 12:24.34 | Vladinator | europe :P |
| 12:24.57 | Vladinator | dinged 85, it said I can do Jade Serpent and Stormstout Brewery ;D |
| 12:25.00 | Vladinator | unlocked features |
| 12:25.51 | Vladinator | btw, check out the number lol http://i.imgur.com/OTB7W.jpg |
| 12:25.53 | Neffi | Torhal: We're actually one of the few countries that uses a 12-hour clock. |
| 12:25.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Kurapica_ (~chatzilla@118.133.113.160) |
| 12:26.12 | Neffi | I think it's about the same amount as use imperial over metric (enough to count on 2 hands I believe) |
| 12:26.28 | Vladinator | isle of conquest, playing elemental shaman and we went mid so was a huge chain lightning fest ;D glyphed so it jumps 2 more targets |
| 12:26.37 | Torhal | Vladinator: I know Europe, but to say thay everyone is in your timezone…is weird. |
| 12:26.53 | Vladinator | I feel that the chat is most active during the late night |
| 12:26.55 | Torhal | Neffi: What are you talking about? |
| 12:26.57 | Vladinator | when the US guys come online :P |
| 12:27.05 | Torhal | I was referring to the fact that where I am, it's 7am |
| 12:27.10 | Torhal | It's 2pm for him |
| 12:27.11 | Vladinator | a |
| 12:27.13 | Vladinator | lol |
| 12:27.13 | Neffi | Torhal: Strange world view and 1430 vs 07:22 |
| 12:27.44 | Vladinator | Torhal: what do you think http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21600-HonorQueue.html as replacement for the default frame |
| 12:27.46 | Torhal | No, that had nothing to do with time formats and everything to do with him projecting me into his timezone :) |
| 12:28.27 | Torhal | I know we're one of the few places that use 12-hour format. We're also probably the ONLY one where the vast majority of the citizenry refer to it as "military time". |
| 12:28.43 | Torhal | s/it as/the 24-hour format as/ |
| 12:29.32 | Torhal | Vladinator: No idea - I haven't done PvP is over 5 years and haven't played more than the expansion-worth of levels required since WoTLK/ |
| 12:29.44 | Torhal | :/ |
| 12:29.53 | Neffi | Most Americans don't realize that the 12-hour clock is unique to them. |
| 12:30.11 | Torhal | Yah, but most Americans I come across are not all there too. |
| 12:30.14 | Vladinator | it's just easier to use 13-23 instead of appending am/pm all the time |
| 12:30.36 | Torhal | Same reason we're on the fucking imperial scale still. |
| 12:30.41 | Torhal | Because somehow, 10 is hard. |
| 12:30.52 | Neffi | I tried that once. I was late for school every day. Strange to get used to when everyone around you uses a different system. |
| 12:31.00 | Vladinator | it's easier to say 2.39482 torhal, than 10! |
| 12:31.16 | Neffi | It's like telling somebody they need X mL. They have no fucking clue. Just easier to go with the flow. |
| 12:31.28 | Vladinator | but scientists in US use metric |
| 12:31.31 | Vladinator | or math people |
| 12:31.39 | Vladinator | in general people in university probably use the metric system :P |
| 12:31.51 | Neffi | They do |
| 12:31.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 12:32.03 | Neffi | But not always in the classroom |
| 12:32.14 | Neffi | In fact usually not from what I've seen |
| 12:32.31 | rtharper | Neffi: Time is very often given in 12 hours in Britain |
| 12:32.48 | Torhal | I swear patriotism plus stupid people are what's making this country shit. |
| 12:32.52 | Vladinator | Torhal: the default pvp honor frame http://i.imgur.com/I9OVO.jpg |
| 12:32.55 | Neffi | Funny thing, I vaguely remember the last Mars rover having a small malfunction because some scientist used imperial in the software, and not metric. |
| 12:32.56 | Vladinator | just for comparison :P |
| 12:32.59 | Torhal | "The mertic system is un-American!" |
| 12:33.04 | Torhal | Like, dafuq? Really? |
| 12:33.23 | Vladinator | everyone knows that everything has to be somehow connected to nationality right |
| 12:33.37 | Vladinator | not eating fast food is so un-American |
| 12:33.38 | Torhal | Urk. |
| 12:33.43 | Vladinator | :P |
| 12:33.49 | rtharper | Neffi: Also in Sweden giving timein 12 hours is much more common |
| 12:33.59 | rtharper | (although sometimes people read it off in 24 hour format as well |
| 12:34.08 | rtharper | So I wouldn't define the 12 hour clock as American |
| 12:34.18 | rtharper | also I don't see a whole lot of 24-hour wall clocks here |
| 12:34.42 | Torhal | Vladinator: I understand what you're trying to do, but it's removing all information (win/loss earnings, if something is the Call to Arms) |
| 12:35.12 | Vladinator | I will add that on the tooltips :P |
| 12:35.26 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 12:35.32 | Vladinator | WIP was fixing up the states when buttons are enabled, disabled and what parts are shown of the tooltips, I'll come to showing the earnings too |
| 12:35.44 | Stanzilla | crazy people |
| 12:35.45 | Vladinator | also the lore is shown if you hold down shift and mouse over :P for the extra interested |
| 12:36.13 | Torhal | The layout of the icons makes me twitch, too. A half row starting from the left is just…dunno. I'd make full rows starting from the top and center the bottom two. |
| 12:36.52 | Vladinator | ow? |
| 12:37.10 | Vladinator | well |
| 12:37.15 | Vladinator | I could center them ye |
| 12:37.32 | Vladinator | I wonder what I do after there are 2 more bgs added ;D |
| 12:37.35 | Vladinator | gotta scale down I figure |
| 12:37.47 | Torhal | Or just start with full rows and leave half on bottom (the left side being the blank side) |
| 12:37.57 | Torhal | Like it's flowing and ends where it truncates. |
| 12:38.25 | Torhal | And how often do they add new BGs? :) |
| 12:38.27 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 12:38.28 | Vladinator | well |
| 12:38.33 | Vladinator | each expac :D |
| 12:38.42 | Vladinator | I already accounted for the new once on the list as you can see, even one is "?" ;D |
| 12:38.47 | Vladinator | and it's named CTF3 |
| 12:38.48 | Torhal | Right. So one, MAYBE two every two years. |
| 12:39.02 | Vladinator | ye |
| 12:39.09 | Vladinator | top row is world pvp btw |
| 12:39.10 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 12:39.19 | Vladinator | wg/tb |
| 12:39.23 | Torhal | And you wouldn't even have to scale down for a long while: You have a huge margin at the top compared to the bottom. |
| 12:39.38 | Vladinator | ye I know |
| 12:39.43 | Vladinator | I can make the margin smaller |
| 12:39.44 | Vladinator | padding* |
| 12:39.56 | Vladinator | I just tried to even these out without making them to spacey |
| 12:40.13 | Torhal | And at that point, you could just turn it into a scrollframe and screw down-sizing. |
| 12:40.27 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 12:40.31 | Vladinator | BUT |
| 12:40.34 | Vladinator | I take it you like the idea :D |
| 12:40.35 | *** join/#wowuidev haggen (~haggen@201.83.141.105) |
| 12:40.39 | Vladinator | rather than the default list ;p |
| 12:41.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@5ada2652.bb.sky.com) |
| 12:41.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 12:41.42 | Torhal | You could even put padding between those and the BGs. |
| 12:41.50 | Torhal | Wow. |
| 12:41.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Esamynn|Away (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn) |
| 12:41.52 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Esamynn|Away] by ChanServ |
| 12:42.02 | Vladinator | what is Wow? |
| 12:42.09 | Torhal | Either you lagged hardcore or magically typed 8 lines of text in one second. |
| 12:42.15 | Vladinator | what the... |
| 12:42.28 | Vladinator | must be hardcore lag lol |
| 12:42.31 | Torhal | Vladinator: http://o7.no/RLvZvV |
| 12:42.43 | Vladinator | doesn't look like that on my side ;D |
| 12:42.48 | Torhal | lol |
| 12:42.56 | Torhal | But yah, it's not a bad idea. |
| 12:43.15 | Vladinator | fun fact torhal |
| 12:43.29 | Vladinator | 1. if you login the order of the BG is proper, but if you /reloadui the order changes, since CtA is always after Random |
| 12:43.37 | Vladinator | but the game does this internally, so the indexes are not constant ;D |
| 12:43.49 | *** join/#wowuidev stolenlegacy (~stolenleg@unaffiliated/stolenlegacy) |
| 12:43.58 | Vladinator | bg at index 6 is moved to 2 if its CtA ^^ and all is shuffled to the side |
| 12:44.01 | Vladinator | kind of funny |
| 12:44.09 | Torhal | So sort on name. Or assign an expansion (number) to each and sort on that. |
| 12:44.28 | Vladinator | fun fact 2. if you queue for world pvp and logout, when you login you can't queue, you have to relog once more to be properly removed from queue server side |
| 12:44.39 | Vladinator | I tested by directly running the API and it didn't work, so it's not an addon issue :P |
| 12:44.40 | Torhal | Heh |
| 12:44.49 | Vladinator | also one time I got to where the api said I can queue but I couldn't |
| 12:44.51 | Vladinator | -_- |
| 12:44.56 | Vladinator | had to relog to force the client to update |
| 12:46.28 | *** join/#wowuidev |Jelly|_ (~|Jelly|@c-98-234-60-111.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 12:48.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Aurorus (~Aurorus@unaffiliated/aurorus) |
| 12:48.53 | ScratchMonkey | testing: /script local p="player" for i=1,40 do local n,_,_,_,_,_,_,u,_,_,s=UnitBuff(p,i) if n then print "found " .. n end end |
| 12:49.02 | ScratchMonkey | I'm not getting any output from that and I've got Dark Intent up |
| 12:51.41 | Torhal | ScratchMonkey: What about u or s? |
| 12:52.14 | *** join/#wowuidev Wa (~wa@50.45.218.127) |
| 12:52.29 | Torhal | And you could make the script shorter by just outright replacing p with "player" and getting rid of the local p="player" |
| 12:53.21 | ScratchMonkey | yeah, the p is left over from a longer version that's looking for a specific aura to cancel |
| 12:53.29 | Torhal | Ah |
| 12:53.56 | ScratchMonkey | this is the "short" version to make sure I'm properly detecting Immolation Aura |
| 12:55.14 | *** join/#wowuidev SPt_Apollo_ (u3263@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tiavjncxgphujsrl) |
| 12:55.19 | ScratchMonkey | no output if I put u or s in the if/print sequence |
| 12:55.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Jitter (Jitta@91-65-40-228-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 12:56.09 | ScratchMonkey | ok, it's gotta be the syntax, because substituting p or i also don't generate output |
| 12:56.21 | ScratchMonkey | but I get no error popup |
| 12:57.13 | alestane | Yes, I know what error you're getting if that's your exact script. |
| 12:57.13 | mitch0 | use some ; |
| 12:57.25 | alestane | if n then print("found" .. n) end |
| 12:57.47 | alestane | Otherwise you'll get "attempt to concatenate with '?' (a nil value)" |
| 12:58.15 | alestane | Also check whether displaying Lua errors is enabled in the Help interface. |
| 12:58.56 | foxlit | it's the lack of brackets |
| 12:59.18 | Neffi | print ... -> print(...) |
| 12:59.26 | foxlit | lua> local bar = "world"; print "hello " .. bar |
| 12:59.26 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '..' |
| 12:59.32 | Neffi | also, the error frame isn't popping up a lot of the time, especially from /script and /run, since 5.0 |
| 12:59.38 | ScratchMonkey | aha found that independently ;) |
| 12:59.53 | mitch0 | yeah, sure... liar |
| 13:00.28 | alestane | Okay, so yes, that's captured at the parsing stage. |
| 13:01.20 | alestane | print foo is only the same as print(foo) when foo is a string literal or table constructor. |
| 13:01.25 | Torhal | Neffi: Frustratingly, I've found that sometimes loops which contain errors will happily eat the stack instead of reporting the error. |
| 13:01.45 | Torhal | So anything beyond them just never occurs, and no reason is given as to why. |
| 13:04.04 | ScratchMonkey | ok, found that CancelUnitBuff("player","Immolation Aura") does nothing |
| 13:04.08 | Neffi | lua> local bar = "world"; print"hello" .. bar |
| 13:04.18 | lua_bot | Neffi: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '..' |
| 13:04.23 | Neffi | So you *have* to wrap in parens to concat the return? |
| 13:04.26 | Neffi | wierd |
| 13:04.40 | ScratchMonkey | I'm gonna have to just turn off Metamorphosis to stop it and stop bleeding Demonic Fury |
| 13:04.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (~Lopeppepp@141.222.29.125) |
| 13:04.53 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 13:05.56 | alestane | To post-concat, anyway. |
| 13:06.12 | alestane | lua> "hello " .. print "bar" |
| 13:06.13 | lua_bot | alestane: bar, luabot:1: attempt to concatenate a nil value |
| 13:06.32 | alestane | Oops, mixed my placeholder values. |
| 13:10.12 | Vladinator | at what level do the different BGs unlock? |
| 13:10.30 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 13:10.30 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 13:12.02 | *** join/#wowuidev Olison (Olison@fukdruidsgrr.org) |
| 13:12.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Jitta (Jitta@91-65-40-228-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 13:12.29 | Torhal | Vladinator: http://www.wowpedia.org/Battleground |
| 13:12.31 | Torhal | :D |
| 13:12.37 | Vladinator | looking :3 |
| 13:13.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar (~chatzilla@72.188.164.101) |
| 13:14.31 | Kraps | Today Paragon announced that they will be moving to 10 man raids for Mists of Pandaria. |
| 13:15.59 | Stanzilla | old |
| 13:16.14 | Vladinator | added level requirements on tooltips and rewards ;) |
| 13:16.21 | Vladinator | gonna fix the layout later, don't got enough time atm :P |
| 13:16.37 | Torhal | Vladinator: Do you have time to rewrite Stanzilla? |
| 13:16.49 | Vladinator | :P |
| 13:16.52 | Vladinator | later I shall! |
| 13:16.57 | Torhal | Suhweet! |
| 13:17.02 | Vladinator | it's a lot of work |
| 13:17.07 | Vladinator | it's like trying to update carbonite |
| 13:17.16 | Torhal | :/ |
| 13:17.23 | Vladinator | was it too harsh? :( |
| 13:17.52 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/235434-veteran-ignored-for-2-years-ama-last-straw/ wow this is a thing to get mad about? |
| 13:19.07 | Vladinator | sorry Stanzilla |
| 13:19.17 | Stanzilla | afk crying |
| 13:19.23 | Vladinator | :'( |
| 13:24.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Mihau (~Mihau@76.164.170.2) |
| 13:35.18 | mitch0 | I'd also add a title for having 41 titles |
| 13:35.22 | mitch0 | and one for having 42 |
| 13:35.32 | mitch0 | and... |
| 13:36.10 | foxlit | That sounds like a lot of work |
| 13:36.18 | foxlit | Wouldn't it be easier just to add a title for having no titles? |
| 13:37.28 | mitch0 | har har |
| 13:37.35 | mitch0 | clever |
| 13:41.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~resa1983@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 13:57.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (Borgleader@132.207.243.27) |
| 14:07.00 | *** join/#wowuidev Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 14:15.09 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar_work (~sylvanaar@pdpc/supporter/active/sylvanaar) |
| 14:16.10 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@101.116.179.198) |
| 14:18.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@5ada2652.bb.sky.com) |
| 14:18.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 14:27.59 | *** join/#wowuidev olafski (~egrimm@dream.student.utwente.nl) |
| 14:51.26 | Neffi | Is there anything more satisfying than spending hours trying to come up with just the right code to solve your problem, give up, and then have the perfect solution just come to you moments later? |
| 14:51.29 | Neffi | I doubt it |
| 14:52.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh`` (~funk@5ada2652.bb.sky.com) |
| 14:55.08 | Lopeppeppy | Beating someone unconscious with a whiffle ball bat is very satisfying. |
| 14:55.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~Unkle@75.101.7.187) |
| 14:56.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Xinhuan (~xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan) |
| 14:57.25 | nevcairiel | Neffi: its usually more of a facepalm moment "oh man how did i not see that all these hours!" |
| 14:57.49 | Neffi | aye >_> |
| 15:06.38 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 15:06.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 15:07.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 15:11.53 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.35 | sidji | irssi? |
| 15:13.38 | *** join/#wowuidev Krapsy (~chatzilla@static-64-61-105-166.isp.broadviewnet.net) |
| 15:16.24 | Dagmar | nope. BitchX... but some people are fond of unicode colons and I can't tell WTF is on my screen when I reattach to the session |
| 15:17.06 | Lopeppeppy | is sad. Nobody liked her wiffleball moment. |
| 15:18.49 | Antze | I did |
| 15:18.59 | Antze | even pasted it to a friend |
| 15:19.09 | Dagmar | I was wondering why you didn't type "to death" |
| 15:20.47 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause he only needed a little lesson, not a permanent indentation. |
| 15:30.43 | foxlit | grumble, HTTP streams. |
| 15:30.46 | Arrowmaster | i tried to see if amazon sold whiffle bats a while back, they dont =( |
| 15:31.13 | foxlit | In particular, decoding responses to pipelined requests is a pain. Curse you, Content-Length! |
| 15:35.03 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@adsl-67-121-230-71.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 15:35.46 | Lopeppeppy | Huh, that's sad, Arrowmaster. But you can usually get them at department stores during the summer. Target, Walmart, etc. |
| 15:36.12 | Arrowmaster | the real whiffle bats or just cheap imatations? |
| 15:36.28 | Arrowmaster | real ones being the hard plastic with holes all over them |
| 15:36.41 | mckenziemc | pokes low pep peppy |
| 15:37.00 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen both, but the ones with holes are harder to find. |
| 15:37.09 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, mckenziemc. Do you own a wiffle ball bat? |
| 15:37.13 | mckenziemc | no |
| 15:37.33 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats the kind i was looking for, amazon just had some nerf ones and some solid (but hollow) plastic ones |
| 15:38.00 | Arrowmaster | its the ones with holes that brings fear to peoples eyes |
| 15:38.28 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 15:39.05 | Shirik | why |
| 15:39.11 | Shirik | the ones with holes you can do megacurves with |
| 15:40.35 | *** join/#wowuidev g0urra (~g0urra@unaffiliated/gourra) |
| 15:43.08 | alestane | Okay, brownies with oreos baked into them are reasonably successful. |
| 15:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | Give to me now, and you won't get hurt. |
| 15:44.32 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 15:45.51 | alestane | They'll be four hours cold, either way :( |
| 15:47.04 | Krapsy | "oreos", is that what they're called now? |
| 15:48.04 | alestane | They're not actually Oreos. |
| 15:48.15 | alestane | They're teh same cookie on a different brand. |
| 15:48.23 | Krapsy | uh huh |
| 15:48.31 | Krapsy | "cookie" |
| 15:48.31 | alestane | And no, they're not hash. |
| 15:48.41 | Krapsy | AH HAH |
| 15:49.25 | mckenziemc | strangles Kraps with a pikstik too. |
| 15:50.22 | Lopeppeppy | cold brownies, meet microwave |
| 15:50.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@77.238.236.80) |
| 15:51.48 | Krapsy | drugs lead to violence as mckenziemc has shown |
| 15:53.06 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 16:00.32 | Lopeppeppy | brownies aren't drugs. |
| 16:02.44 | End_ | alestane's brownies are |
| 16:03.08 | alestane | Insofar as chocolate is psychoactive. |
| 16:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | I can go with that. |
| 16:06.14 | Dagmar | bo-ring |
| 16:07.22 | *** join/#wowuidev bluspacecow (~bluspacec@60-234-165-167.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 16:07.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v bluspacecow] by ChanServ |
| 16:09.43 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 16:09.46 | Fisker | getting the new iphone? |
| 16:10.00 | bluspacecow | idunnolol |
| 16:10.05 | bluspacecow | might get a new FiskerPhone |
| 16:16.50 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@c83-250-4-57.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 16:16.51 | *** join/#wowuidev rtharper (~tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 16:17.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Robsato (~Robsato@541AE7CC.cm-5-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 16:21.21 | Ressy | Did blizzard screw up the glyph error fix |
| 16:22.11 | nevcairiel | it looks alright |
| 16:22.37 | Ressy | I keep getting a GlyphUI error popping up |
| 16:24.37 | *** join/#wowuidev p3lim (~p3lim@32.9.9.46.customer.cdi.no) |
| 16:27.14 | End_ | they fixed the taint caused by _, but there are still plenty of other ways to taint the glyph ui I am sure |
| 16:29.06 | End_ | (the StaticPopupDialogs issue probably still exists, for example) |
| 16:29.38 | Shadowed | Torhal the packager on wowace seems to be broken |
| 16:29.49 | bluspacecow | again? |
| 16:29.51 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 16:29.59 | End_ | of course it is broken |
| 16:30.07 | Shadowed | as far as I'm aware |
| 16:30.25 | Shadowed | the packager was something ckk wrote 4 years ago that is literally held together with ducttape and silly string |
| 16:35.32 | MentalPower | Shadowed: don't forget the chewing gum |
| 16:35.36 | *** join/#wowuidev sylvanaar_work (~sylvanaar@pdpc/supporter/active/sylvanaar) |
| 16:35.43 | Shadowed | it's not stable enough to have chewing gum used |
| 16:40.10 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.219.64) |
| 16:41.25 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow you know these things, what do I do with a launcher that's stuck on 0% initializing? |
| 16:41.50 | bluspacecow | strap a gherkin to your forehead |
| 16:41.54 | bluspacecow | and hit the screen with it |
| 16:42.00 | bluspacecow | j/k |
| 16:42.12 | bluspacecow | agent being silly. |
| 16:42.24 | karl_w_w | sounds hot |
| 16:43.13 | bluspacecow | thats right at the stage agent is evaluating what you have installed etc etc |
| 16:44.58 | Neffi | Can any mages clarify Ice Floes and whether I'm doing something wrong, or it's just bugged? |
| 16:45.56 | Neffi | Says you can cast it while a spell is in progress which you can. But that seems to cut it down from 2 casts to 1. |
| 16:46.24 | karl_w_w | the current spell and the next one, it should be |
| 16:46.26 | Neffi | Cast in progress -> Ice Floes -> cannot move w/ the one in progress or it cancels. Can move with the next one, but not the one after that (most of the time, but not all the time) |
| 16:46.56 | Neffi | Unless I'm failing to grasp something, it seems sporadically broken |
| 16:47.04 | bluspacecow | forgot to glyph with my talents |
| 16:47.07 | bluspacecow | crap. |
| 16:47.19 | karl_w_w | you need to wait for lag before u can move during the current cast, i expect |
| 16:47.46 | pompy | http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/5832064/Former_Player_Try_the_Latest_Patch_Free-12_09_2012 |
| 16:48.25 | Fisker | mad pompy ? |
| 16:48.30 | *** join/#wowuidev WoWUI (~Valdarix@74-95-152-129-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 16:48.35 | End_ | mad as a bunny wabbit |
| 16:48.52 | Neffi | karl_w_w: Maybe. Usually if I need to move in cast, I'm not in the position to wait. So you might be right. |
| 16:49.01 | Neffi | Maybe they can add a client-side check =| |
| 16:50.01 | karl_w_w | they do |
| 16:50.13 | karl_w_w | it checks for the buff, if u dont have it u cant move :P |
| 16:50.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Krapsy (~chatzilla@static-64-61-105-166.isp.broadviewnet.net) |
| 16:51.39 | Unkle | Neffi - the most important rule in client/server games is ... NEVER TRUST THE CLIENT. So, doubtful. It's the same reason rogues bitch about Vanish being broken. |
| 16:52.22 | Neffi | Well Vanish was broken |
| 16:52.47 | Neffi | The *server* had been reporting vanish, THEN spells breaking it. Hence they needed to add short immunity to fix possible asynchinosity. |
| 16:52.59 | Unkle | No matter what, you're always going tohave to deal with the "have to wait until the server knows that's been applied" issue. |
| 16:53.14 | Neffi | Not unreasonable |
| 16:54.54 | karl_w_w | [00:53:45] <Unkle> No matter what, you're always going tohave to deal with the "have to wait until the server knows that's been applied" issue. <- not really, you could just make it so that client side movement doesn't break spell casting, but that would feel weird |
| 16:55.36 | Unkle | Well, yes. That would be a huge change to the mechaincs of play though. |
| 16:57.44 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.17 | karl_w_w | likc? sounds like a programming language |
| 16:58.36 | Neffi | I believe it's a new dialect of C |
| 16:58.43 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.50 | bluspacecow | http://www.tuaw.com/2012/09/12/tuaw-metaliveblog-apple-september-2012-event/ |
| 16:58.51 | Neffi | Mostly documented via IRC and some guy's github |
| 16:58.57 | bluspacecow | @Fisker mad ? |
| 16:59.18 | End_ | mad as a herd of stampeding penguins |
| 16:59.43 | Fisker | that's my secret bluspacecow |
| 16:59.44 | Fisker | i'm always mad |
| 16:59.50 | bluspacecow | win. |
| 17:04.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@pool013.vpn.uni-saarland.de) |
| 17:04.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (~elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 17:05.43 | *** join/#wowuidev TMc51 (~Miranda@cpe-74-71-63-167.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 17:07.15 | *** join/#wowuidev NickG365 (~NickG365@cpe-65-189-204-138.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 17:08.37 | Neffi | oh fuck |
| 17:08.58 | Neffi | that "ideal solution" just spit out like 10000 closures for combat log event at once. lol @ framerate dip |
| 17:09.09 | Neffi | Never code when you haven't slept in 2 days |
| 17:11.43 | karl_w_w | codes Neffi into a corner |
| 17:11.48 | Neffi | >_> |
| 17:12.04 | Neffi | Not sure why I thought the closure logic should also be allowed to be called after initial load |
| 17:12.10 | Neffi | I'm absolutely mad sometimes |
| 17:12.30 | karl_w_w | everybody needs closure sometimes |
| 17:12.51 | Neffi | cries. |
| 17:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | We all float down here. |
| 17:13.55 | karl_w_w | the amount of apply fangirling on this live blog is ridiculous |
| 17:14.02 | karl_w_w | s/y/e/ |
| 17:16.02 | karl_w_w | made entirely of glass and aluminium? I hope apple have a patent on this new superconductor tech |
| 17:17.01 | Humbedooh | karl_w_w: transparent aluminium! |
| 17:17.07 | Humbedooh | hello, computer! |
| 17:17.57 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 17:17.59 | karl_w_w | "designed around the human hand" |
| 17:18.06 | karl_w_w | my god they love their bullshit |
| 17:18.07 | Neffi | Speaking of, I read on Ars about a new process to make high-quality semiconductors which are transparent |
| 17:18.29 | Neffi | In other words in 2 years Apple will hire the people that did the R&D, obtain patents and call it innovation |
| 17:18.48 | durcyn | you know what the one thing is that's worse than apple fanboys? |
| 17:18.53 | durcyn | apple haters |
| 17:18.57 | Unkle | Android fanbois? |
| 17:19.09 | durcyn | they're just as uninformed and twice as loud |
| 17:19.24 | TMc51 | But they do sometimes shut up. |
| 17:20.02 | Neffi | Hating Apple doesn't require ignorance |
| 17:20.23 | nilyaK | I like apples in general, but I find macintosh apples to be quite mushy. |
| 17:20.27 | Neffi | You assume I'm giving Apple prefential hatred. That's not the case. Most other companies are equally evil and/or bad. |
| 17:20.47 | TMc51 | nilyaK: Golden Delicious or bust |
| 17:21.08 | Unkle | Just to make sure everyone knows where I stand, I have a MacBook Pro, an iPhone, and a pretty decent Core i5-based Windows 7 PC. I manage a Windows network with a Linux box in the mix. All I care about is "cool tech" and "can I do what I need with it?" |
| 17:21.10 | Neffi | Any company that can justify continued use of slave labor yet tout innovation w.r.t economics (while also cutting recycling!) just can't be good |
| 17:21.16 | nilyaK | I prefer granny smith, but they're usually too sour for most people =/ |
| 17:21.42 | TMc51 | mmm |
| 17:21.44 | nilyaK | you gotta make sure you don't get woody ones though |
| 17:21.47 | Unkle | nilyaK but so tasty! And crips! |
| 17:21.49 | TMc51 | Granny Smith are some of the best for apple chips. |
| 17:22.00 | Neffi | And Unkle, that's a totally reasonable position. Apple is to be hated as a company, not a set of products. Google, Microsoft, Asus, etc.. deserve the same hate. But their "cool tech" is cheaper, so people are less vocal about it. |
| 17:22.48 | Unkle | Neffi I am guessing a lot of that hate comes from conditions at FoxConn plants in China? |
| 17:23.15 | Neffi | Part of it |
| 17:23.27 | Neffi | And pretty much everyone uses Foxconn with a few exceptions, I know |
| 17:23.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar (~chatzilla@72.188.164.101) |
| 17:23.45 | Neffi | A lot of it is marketing and gimmick over real innovation. And abuse of legislature esp w.r.t patents. |
| 17:24.15 | Maldivia | iPhone 5... meh |
| 17:24.22 | Lopeppeppy | Potato chips are just as bad, so is soda. People buy them every day without a second thought. |
| 17:24.23 | Neffi | I just don't believe most of the big companies deserve any modicum of respect. Apple most so, because so many people glorify them as an innovative giant. |
| 17:25.13 | Neffi | Well pepp, if passive protest worked, it'd be a different story |
| 17:25.23 | Neffi | But as it is, cool tech is cool tech and those evil companies give it to me |
| 17:25.24 | kagaro | innovation? what are you talking about. apples best attribute is marketing plan and simple |
| 17:25.32 | Neffi | I'd just rather know which side I stand on as I use their shit |
| 17:25.35 | kagaro | s/plan/plain/ |
| 17:25.56 | Neffi | kagaro: "over innovation" -> "instead of innovation" |
| 17:25.58 | Neffi | I'm tired |
| 17:27.09 | Neffi | Every piece of tech made in however long has been totally derivative. There hasn't been anything revolutionary. Just incremental improvements that have allowed people to realize long-time wants. Then companies like Apple take that, call it their own innovation, and sue others for wanting to bring the same tech to the masses. |
| 17:27.10 | durcyn | you're right, any monkey can put together a smartphone, that's why http://i.imgur.com/FgJRr.jpg |
| 17:27.34 | Neffi | Worst case in point: Samsung having to pay $1 billion because they have rounded edges on their icons |
| 17:28.56 | kagaro | Neffi read the full brief sometime .. they went to court cause samsung didn't wan a pay a license fee, same way was it morotolla didn't wan a license gsm stuff to apple (was it mortorola or nokia i can't recall) |
| 17:29.34 | Neffi | Yeah I was strongly oversimplifying, but a big part of the win hinged on the fact that Samsung had apparently copied Apple |
| 17:29.37 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.182.26) |
| 17:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | If they had decided to be different, nobody could sue them. |
| 17:29.56 | Neffi | Idealistically, I totally oppose patents as they are defined right now |
| 17:30.13 | kagaro | patents in their current form are horrible |
| 17:30.54 | Neffi | It's given us a legal world-war where lawyers particularly skilled at manipulating technicalities are like nuclear warheads |
| 17:31.19 | zenzelezz | it's like the cold war, in reverse |
| 17:31.22 | Neffi | "Encouraging innovation" or so patents are supposed to do is out the window. It's precisely stifling them. |
| 17:31.32 | Neffi | s/them/innovation/ |
| 17:31.33 | zenzelezz | everyone's worried the US will launch their lawyers on the other continents |
| 17:31.50 | Lopeppeppy | ICBL's, zenzelezz? |
| 17:31.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Antze (~Antze@87.239.29.49) |
| 17:32.00 | Lopeppeppy | powers up her launcher and loads in her favorite lawer. |
| 17:32.01 | zenzelezz | yeah :( |
| 17:32.05 | durcyn | well, that WOULD entail firing lawyers into space. |
| 17:32.17 | Lopeppeppy | Nature abhors a vacuum. |
| 17:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | So do cats. |
| 17:33.01 | Neffi | When a near-earth-object of significant size is detected to cross paths with us, I put my vote in to gather up every lawyer and launch them toward it, hoping to veer it off course by at least a degree |
| 17:33.08 | Neffi | Even if we die, at least the lawyers died first |
| 17:33.31 | zenzelezz | using lawyers like chaff |
| 17:33.38 | zenzelezz | chafe? |
| 17:33.55 | durcyn | chaff |
| 17:34.01 | Neffi | ~dict chaff |
| 17:34.03 | Lopeppeppy | chaff for things you scatter around. Chafe is for a sore butt. |
| 17:34.30 | Neffi | Well I doubt an asteroid is going to change its mind because of some skin irritation |
| 17:34.40 | Lopeppeppy | You never know. Asteroids can be very sensitive! |
| 17:36.43 | *** join/#wowuidev Yssaril (~Yssaril@99-57-32-25.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:38.24 | Neffi | _AURA_APPLIED_DOSE refers to anything that stacks, correct? |
| 17:38.31 | Neffi | eg Fingers of Frost @ 2 stacks? |
| 17:39.11 | durcyn | correct |
| 17:39.34 | durcyn | iirc the first stack is plain old APPLIED though |
| 17:40.42 | Neffi | good |
| 17:40.56 | Neffi | no quirky formatting out of the superfluous `1` |
| 17:41.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (~quassel@124-171-121-214.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 17:44.21 | *** join/#wowuidev haggen (~haggen@201.83.141.105) |
| 17:44.37 | *** join/#wowuidev karl_w_w (~karl@120.22.208.113) |
| 17:50.08 | zenzelezz | it annoys me that after all these years, people still can't get the capitalization on "iPhone" right |
| 17:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | IPHONE. Iphone. iphone. ipHone... the list goes on and on, like drunken dwarves on the way to the misty mountains. |
| 17:51.05 | Unkle | http://news.discovery.com/space/new-study-re-confirms-evidence-for-dark-energy-120912.html |
| 17:51.17 | Unkle | And now for something completely different. |
| 17:51.45 | nilyaK | uPhone, itPhone, wePhone... |
| 17:54.13 | Lopeppeppy | They may have found Richard III's body today, how awesome is that? |
| 17:55.41 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9537600/Strong-evidence-Richard-IIIs-body-has-been-found-with-a-curved-spine.html |
| 17:56.06 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! I'm contagious! You'll get the cooties |
| 17:56.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (~Instantbi@ip98-165-104-202.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 17:57.28 | bluspacecow | I r immune to Peppy cooties |
| 17:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | Teach me that trick? |
| 17:58.18 | bluspacecow | silly Peppy |
| 17:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | Nuh uh |
| 18:02.13 | Esamynn|work | zenzelezz, Lopeppeppy: IfonE *weg* |
| 18:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | yfon |
| 18:04.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (Borgleader@132.207.243.27) |
| 18:04.57 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb (~oscarucb@cpe-75-180-21-9.columbus.res.rr.com) |
| 18:05.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Borg|Regen (Borgleader@132.207.243.27) |
| 18:06.50 | znf | The Morchok Achievement - does it need a black phase? |
| 18:06.56 | znf | or we can just kill it before he does the black phase? |
| 18:07.19 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/bigfootnetworks/posts/188780951256845 :O |
| 18:08.32 | Ressy | have you seen the renames? |
| 18:09.01 | Ressy | http://evemaps.dotlan.net/outposts/changes |
| 18:09.55 | Ressy | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/vilerat/ |
| 18:10.33 | *** join/#wowuidev haggen (~haggen@201.83.141.105) |
| 18:15.34 | Adys_ | is there an addon that changes the new vendor class filtering so that instead of defaulting to the current class, it shows all but with your class at the beginning and the rest faded out? |
| 18:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | i uh |
| 18:20.05 | Mr_Rabies | [14:15][2][Kapp] WTB [Chaos Orb] in bulk!! Need 120. PST Going to put them all in my cheeks and pretend im a Chipmunk. PST! |
| 18:20.05 | Mr_Rabies | hm |
| 18:20.39 | Lopeppeppy | 120 seems a specific amount for chipmunking with. |
| 18:21.01 | End_ | what takes 12 |
| 18:21.02 | *** join/#wowuidev MysticalOS (~Myst@h142.41.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 18:21.10 | End_ | because one of my guildies needed 12 and he didn't say why |
| 18:21.31 | Neffi | Unkle: Not a bad read, but physics kind of disappoints me. For all we know, there's more unknown. It'll be a while yet before we nail down what dark energy actually is. |
| 18:21.32 | End_ | (although maybe he had some already, so that number might be a coincidence) |
| 18:22.02 | Neffi | It's an amazing field that's even still in its infancy IMO. But it leaves you with so many questions ! |
| 18:22.36 | *** join/#wowuidev Yoshimo (~Miranda@p5B04C507.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:23.29 | Mr_Rabies | i think possibly the biggest advantage of a larger iphone is maybe hipsters will stop wearing such tight pants |
| 18:24.05 | Neffi | wants a Galaxy Note II. Anything less than a phablet is just phad. |
| 18:25.31 | Mr_Rabies | galaxy note, the first phone designed for shaquille o'neal and also shonen-ai characters |
| 18:26.59 | Unkle | *sigh* So many people use computers who have zero clue about the basics. One of these days I'm going to get very tired of explaining how to unzip goddamned AddOns over and over. |
| 18:26.59 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/E3XHE.png "The galaxy note is the perfect phone for me!" |
| 18:28.07 | Mr_Rabies | reason #1 why i use curse client is that i'm entirely too lazy to bother with that |
| 18:28.32 | Ressy | snickers at Unkle |
| 18:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | that reminds me though, why in the hell doesn't 7zip have an "open extracted folder" option after this many years |
| 18:29.27 | Unkle | Most of my stick thread responses are explainging the same shit over and over. |
| 18:29.46 | Mr_Rabies | make a self-extracting exe |
| 18:29.46 | Ressy | yup. Its the same on Tech Support. |
| 18:29.59 | Mr_Rabies | accidentally break it so that it deletes their system32 folde |
| 18:30.06 | Mr_Rabies | problem solved, imo |
| 18:30.07 | Ressy | that'd... be ba |
| 18:30.09 | Ressy | bad* |
| 18:30.27 | Mr_Rabies | it's hip to leave off the last character of your sentence nowaday |
| 18:30.45 | Lopeppeppy | It would be fun. |
| 18:30.50 | Ressy | uh, no... |
| 18:30.58 | Ressy | Bitching on Tech Support would go through the roof. |
| 18:31.18 | Mr_Rabies | how can they bitch if they can't get on their computer :D |
| 18:31.38 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
| 18:31.43 | Lopeppeppy | Bastard Operator from Hell 101. |
| 18:31.46 | Ressy | lmao |
| 18:31.55 | Lopeppeppy | Break their computers, reroute the phones, and take a day off. Fun! |
| 18:32.00 | bluspacecow | im cooler then all of yo |
| 18:32.04 | Lopeppeppy | I adore BOFH. |
| 18:32.04 | Ressy | bofh... I'm still reading through a few years of that. |
| 18:32.12 | bluspacecow | i leave the last character off my sentenc |
| 18:32.28 | Ressy | Lopeppeppy: Many use cells these days for web browsing.. We'd still see bitching |
| 18:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | beats some characters into bluspacecow. |
| 18:32.52 | bluspacecow | @ressy I live in the town the writer of the BOFH used to work i |
| 18:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | Not if you take the day off, Ressy. Next day, delete your entire inbox before beginning work. Ooops, another glitch! |
| 18:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | delete the internet |
| 18:34.12 | Ressy | Yeah, but when Blizzard tracks down the cause of the increased bitching on the forums.. |
| 18:34.47 | bluspacecow | das boot? |
| 18:34.56 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:35.56 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3 (~Kaydeethr@wowwiki/Kaydeethree) |
| 18:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | Boot to the head! Naaa naaaa! Boot to the head! Naaaa naaaa! |
| 18:36.10 | Lopeppeppy | Boot. to the head! |
| 18:36.24 | *** join/#wowuidev nebula169 (~nebula@c-75-72-138-186.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 18:38.31 | *** join/#wowuidev mckenziemc (~Mark@adsl-67-121-230-71.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 18:41.10 | mckenziemc | hey Cairenn |
| 18:41.16 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 18:41.25 | mckenziemc | i remembered to switch channels this time :o |
| 18:42.51 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 18:45.07 | mckenziemc | facepalm |
| 18:45.49 | mckenziemc | voicemail system directs me to the voicemail of the person i'm calling, plays their long message, then tells me the mailbox is full |
| 18:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | Awesome. |
| 18:46.24 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 18:46.27 | Unkle | Guess they never listen to their messages. |
| 18:47.50 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 18:47.54 | bluspacecow | http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/hamilton |
| 18:48.05 | bluspacecow | esssss cold Cairenn :( |
| 18:48.13 | bluspacecow | and i gotta go take the trash out :( |
| 18:48.26 | Cairenn | snuggles bluspacecow into a big fluffy warm sweater |
| 18:48.47 | bluspacecow | brb |
| 18:53.52 | mckenziemc | throws a newspaper at bluspacecow |
| 18:54.14 | Humbedooh | throws mckenziemc at mckenziemc |
| 18:54.20 | mckenziemc | peppy's gone :*( |
| 18:54.30 | mckenziemc | bounces back at Humbeedooh. |
| 18:54.31 | bluspacecow | *throws a newspaper at newspaper* |
| 18:54.34 | bluspacecow | wait wot. |
| 18:55.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Unkle (~Unkle@75.101.7.187) |
| 18:57.06 | *** join/#wowuidev Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 19:00.23 | mckenziemc | wb Unkle |
| 19:00.56 | Unkle | grumbles about Trillian deciding to just crash and wishin Adium ran on Windows. |
| 19:03.21 | Fisker | slaps bluspacecow around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:03.29 | bluspacecow | om nomnom nom |
| 19:03.52 | mckenziemc | gives Unkle some valium |
| 19:05.36 | Mr_Rabies | ayup, i think i'm gonna like this expansion |
| 19:05.36 | Mr_Rabies | "You know what is better than drinking a beer? Brewing your own beer. And then drinking it. And then... Drinking another beer. And then, punching somebody in the snout! That's what!" |
| 19:06.40 | Unkle | While playing the MoP beta, I ran with music on (usually I run with it off) and after about 2 hours of WoW MoP I had an overwhleming urge to watch Chinese Cinema. |
| 19:06.55 | Unkle | Chop-Sockey movies especially. |
| 19:11.48 | Jamash | Unkle: isn't adium basically just pidgin for max? |
| 19:13.20 | Unkle | Jamash it's more than just pidgin for Mac. |
| 19:13.35 | Jamash | okay |
| 19:13.41 | Jamash | anyway, use pidgin on windows |
| 19:14.10 | Neffi | Also there's Miranda |
| 19:14.39 | Unkle | I haven't really found any "all protocols in one" chat app I like much on Windows. It makes me sad. |
| 19:14.51 | Mr_Rabies | digsby used to be pretty good |
| 19:14.51 | Neffi | Have you tried Pidgin or Miranda? |
| 19:14.57 | Unkle | I've tried both. |
| 19:15.05 | Mr_Rabies | but honestly, i've stopped using anything but irc and steam chat |
| 19:15.38 | Mr_Rabies | and SMS |
| 19:16.19 | Jamash | pidgin's what I use except for IRC |
| 19:16.47 | g0urra | http://imgur.com/gallery/YTmxO |
| 19:16.54 | Unkle | I should probably just install mIRC and pidgin, but... |
| 19:20.26 | Jamash | I stay away from mirc because for a while it seemed like I was hearing about a new vulnerability in it every other month |
| 19:26.42 | oscarucb | do Monks have a rez spell and if so what is it called |
| 19:27.34 | oscarucb | nvm foun dit |
| 19:28.43 | kd3 | http://www.wowpedia.org/Resuscitate |
| 19:32.18 | TC-Work | it's mazing how far out of it's way mozilla goes to not let you install the version of your choice. |
| 19:32.24 | TC-Work | of firefox |
| 19:32.53 | mckenziemc | supporting multiple versions is fun |
| 19:33.51 | TC-Work | I dont care if it's supported or not |
| 19:33.57 | kd3 | I see easy access to 15.0.1 or 3.6.28 |
| 19:34.01 | kd3 | what else are you looking for? |
| 19:34.12 | TC-Work | https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ |
| 19:34.13 | TC-Work | 12 |
| 19:34.28 | TC-Work | I found it, it's simply a pain |
| 19:35.28 | *** join/#wowuidev Marcum (~midnight@50-90-9-206.res.bhn.net) |
| 19:37.03 | Jamash | I wish there was a way to set a per-app DPI in windows 7 |
| 19:38.27 | Jamash | as far as I know, the only choices are broken scaling (change the font size, fixed app window size be damned), fuzzy scaling, and set your scaling to 100% regardless of your actual screen DPI (tiny text) |
| 19:39.51 | Jamash | none of which are entirely satisfactory as a system wide default |
| 19:47.28 | TC-Work | 8 might have fixed that |
| 19:48.38 | Shirik | what class was illidan? |
| 19:48.40 | Amarande | oh, joy. |
| 19:48.48 | Amarande | apparently it may not be possible reasonably atm to start a worgen. :| |
| 19:49.08 | Shirik | mage or warlock? |
| 19:49.10 | Amarande | I learn this after I start a worgen, of course. :( |
| 19:49.19 | Shirik | or rogue |
| 19:49.32 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 19:49.49 | Amarande | mckenziemc: apparently the Battle for Gilneas City is touchy to the point that wowhead people are thinking it might be somewhat bugged |
| 19:49.53 | nevcairiel | you mean his actual ingame class, or lore? :p |
| 19:50.00 | mckenziemc | so old Amarande |
| 19:50.15 | Shirik | Probably lore |
| 19:50.18 | Shirik | it was more open-ended |
| 19:50.37 | nevcairiel | he started out as a sorcerer |
| 19:50.42 | mckenziemc | Amarande: unless 5.0.4 bugged it even more :-/ |
| 19:51.21 | Amarande | mckenziemc, the wowhead comments are suggesting it got touchier at best with 5.0.4 :| |
| 19:51.23 | Shirik | Sorcerer is different from mage/warlock? |
| 19:52.17 | foxlit | Shirik, why don't you go ahead and define "class" for us. |
| 19:52.30 | Shirik | I don't really have a good definition for it beyond what's in game |
| 19:53.03 | foxlit | in that case, Illidan was never any particular class. |
| 19:53.58 | Shirik | so the in-game classes don't really have a direct correlation with any lore element? |
| 19:54.35 | nevcairiel | they do, but there also are hybrid classes in lore like sorcerers that just dont go 1:1 to mage or warlock, but possibly something in between |
| 19:54.46 | nevcairiel | considering illidan went all daemon, he probably was closer to the warlocks |
| 19:54.51 | nevcairiel | demon* |
| 19:55.09 | foxlit | I believe the term "demon hunter" might have been used. |
| 19:55.14 | nevcairiel | oh yeah |
| 19:55.59 | Shirik | hm ok |
| 19:56.03 | Shirik | thanks |
| 19:58.33 | *** join/#wowuidev MidnightAge (~midnight@50-90-9-206.res.bhn.net) |
| 20:02.42 | Unkle | fuck yeah; science - http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/12/us-russia-mammoth-idINBRE88B0Y620120912 |
| 20:04.38 | *** join/#wowuidev haggen (~haggen@201.83.141.105) |
| 20:05.02 | Shirik | http://www.explosm.net/comics/2919/ |
| 20:08.59 | Jamash | Illidan started out as mage, then warlock, then DH, then koo-koo for cocoa puffs |
| 20:09.29 | Unkle | No, he was always pretty much nucking futz. |
| 20:09.44 | Jamash | naw, he started out just jealous |
| 20:09.59 | Jamash | he always wanted power at (nearly) any cost though |
| 20:10.30 | Unkle | Well, in Azeroth, first you get the Mana, then you get the Power, then you get to bang Tyrande. |
| 20:11.50 | Jamash | except not |
| 20:12.35 | Amarande | Illidan must have encountered Yogg-Saron at some point and lost all his sanity stacks :) |
| 20:13.43 | Amarande | Heh, remember the good old days of pen & paper RPGs, where if you did the equivalent to wiping on Yogg, congratulations, your characters actually *did* become enemy NPCs that your next set of PCs might have to fight? :) |
| 20:19.44 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@cpc2-craw2-0-0-cust1299.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 20:19.44 | *** join/#wowuidev brykrys (~chatzilla@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Dev/Brykrys) |
| 20:21.06 | Elkano | Amarande, refering to "The Gamers 2"? ;) |
| 20:21.46 | Amarande | Elkano, I was actually thinking more about the bajillion (or so it seems) monsters in old AD&D where if you died to them in so and so a way (especially level draining undead) your character became a (presumably hostile) NPC :) |
| 20:22.25 | Elkano | well, most likely the gag from gamers is based on such a monster |
| 20:22.37 | Elkano | since it's a parody on P'n'P |
| 20:23.39 | Amarande | and speaking of level draining undead, Dave's Challenge in Death Knights of Krynn is a particular bitch because of them. :| |
| 20:24.09 | Amarande | Possibly more so than the one in Pools of Darkness, even though the latter is far harder overall (and anyone who complains of today's RPGs being too easy needs to play through PoD plus Challenge :P) |
| 20:24.19 | Amarande | er, who complains of today's RPGs being too hard :) |
| 20:24.58 | Esamynn|work | nevcairiel: ping |
| 20:25.03 | nevcairiel | Esamynn|work: pong |
| 20:25.08 | Amarande | (I could quite seriously make a claim that Dave's Challenge in PoD is the hardest CRPG dungeon ever created this side of the Pacific.) |
| 20:25.24 | Esamynn|work | was it you who said you'd see that Lua corruption problem with an addon other than Gatherer? (Mapster?) |
| 20:25.30 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 20:25.40 | nevcairiel | but people also reported it without map addons |
| 20:25.58 | Esamynn|work | no map addons at all? what about with no addons? |
| 20:26.11 | nevcairiel | or well, at least without addons which obviously have something to do with the map |
| 20:26.13 | nevcairiel | not sure about no addons |
| 20:27.13 | Amarande | I've been using Gatherer+Mapster and haven't noticed any issues |
| 20:27.28 | Esamynn|work | yah, most people don't seem to run into the issue |
| 20:27.38 | Amarande | well, other than that my most recent gathers don't seem to have been marked, but I'm pretty sure that's because they're on a worgen still in starting Gilneas ... pretty sure the TwiHi mining gathers on my mage registered |
| 20:28.04 | Amarande | ponders what my chance of making it out of Gilneas this patch is |
| 20:28.12 | jnwhiteh | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/tomtom/tickets/74-creates-major-performance-degradation-on-ds-warship/#comments |
| 20:28.18 | jnwhiteh | does this have anything to do with the battlefield minimap? |
| 20:28.51 | Amarande | is there actually a time limit on the Battle for Gilneas, or is it some other form of glitch that causes people to keep getting reset? |
| 20:29.04 | Amarande | I only got reset once, didn't have time to retry this morning before I had to leave for work |
| 20:29.32 | Esamynn|work | Amarande: yah, Gatherer doesn't support Gilnease, never seemd like it was worth the extra effort |
| 20:29.41 | Esamynn|work | starting zone Gilneas anyways |
| 20:29.44 | Amarande | yeah, especially since you don't get to go back there |
| 20:30.05 | Amarande | and the location of herbs there at least is "respawning more rapidly than you could ever hope to keep up with." :) |
| 20:30.14 | Esamynn|work | precisely |
| 20:30.28 | Amarande | I started jokingly to wonder if you could hit level 85 there just trying to gather up all the herb spots as they pop up heh |
| 20:31.23 | Esamynn|work | jnwhiteh: yah, that's the issue, what is going on is the map isn't showing a player position, so TomTom calls SetMapToCurrentZone() ever 0.25 seconds or something |
| 20:31.48 | Esamynn|work | the default UI BF minimap is even worse, there is a bug in its throttling code that means it calls that method every frame :( |
| 20:32.09 | Amarande | (heh, wouldn't be surprised if you could, too. especially since the xp received from gathers appears to have no relation to the relationship between character level and zone level) |
| 20:32.11 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 20:32.17 | jnwhiteh | seems like 'flip fix frame' is breaking it then |
| 20:32.32 | Esamynn|work | yes, that sounds familiar |
| 20:32.44 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 20:32.48 | Amarande | (and since I don't think you can train past Apprentice professions in the starting experiences, the gathers would never go grey, either ... heh) |
| 20:32.51 | Fisker | i hope you're not swedish |
| 20:33.22 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: forlåt! |
| 20:37.46 | *** join/#wowuidev Kodiack (~Colton@96-42-240-206.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 20:39.24 | *** join/#wowuidev nilyaK (~Kaylin@ip70-171-138-67.om.om.cox.net) |
| 20:41.21 | *** join/#wowuidev Caribou_ (~Caribou@110.103-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 20:42.08 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 20:42.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 20:43.25 | TC-Work | umad Fisker? |
| 20:43.29 | *** join/#wowuidev _Caleb658 (~caleb@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 20:44.43 | cogwheel | Fisker: u jelly? |
| 20:47.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~caleb@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 20:48.51 | Mr_Rabies | hrmmm |
| 20:49.02 | Mr_Rabies | i still haven't found a replacement for gazmik's levelator |
| 20:51.33 | *** join/#wowuidev cyndis (cyndis@lakka.kapsi.fi) |
| 20:51.51 | Mr_Rabies | oh there we go, quelevel's on curse, rad |
| 20:55.31 | foxlit | seems pointless to me, personally. |
| 20:56.31 | foxlit | You no longer get those wildly high-level quests, so the the color seems enough to figure out whether the quest is worth doing or not |
| 20:57.45 | *** join/#wowuidev haggen (~haggen@201.83.141.105) |
| 21:01.24 | Mr_Rabies | well, you level so fast that often it's necessary to do the low level ones first (or turn them in first) so you get any exp at all |
| 21:03.01 | Amarande | heh, yeah, it makes one wonder just how little use places like Loch Modan, Darkshore, and Westfall actually get now |
| 21:03.41 | Amarande | Not much love for 10-15 level zones when you usually hit 15 out of the starting area now |
| 21:04.02 | Amarande | even just with guild perks and xp from your gathering profession, not even thinking about things like heirlooms |
| 21:04.55 | Amarande | (and don't forget the cascading effects of xp from gathering professions, because not only do you get xp from that gather but you probably had to fight an extra mob or two a lot of the time to pick it up ... :) |
| 21:05.56 | Mr_Rabies | the darkshore quests were a lot of fun |
| 21:06.03 | Mr_Rabies | they were really depressing, storyline wise, though |
| 21:06.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'm gonna miss the post-apocalyptic feel of cataclysm |
| 21:06.16 | zenzelezz | which ones; before or after Cata |
| 21:06.19 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 21:06.28 | Mr_Rabies | that they strangely pretty much left out of the instances and raids |
| 21:06.34 | nilyaK | you know what else was depressing? troll starting quests |
| 21:06.36 | zenzelezz | Darkshore before Cata was... a chore, but I enjoyed the story |
| 21:06.42 | nilyaK | I was like f~ I don't wanna play a troll anymore. |
| 21:06.52 | xyphoid | i didn't even get my troll off the island |
| 21:06.59 | Mr_Rabies | post cata, zenzelezz |
| 21:07.03 | xyphoid | it felt like boot camp |
| 21:07.11 | Mr_Rabies | the quests are really story-intense and linked to the cataclsym |
| 21:07.17 | Mr_Rabies | unlike darkshore |
| 21:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 21:07.24 | Mr_Rabies | what |
| 21:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | theramoer |
| 21:07.29 | Mr_Rabies | i can't type |
| 21:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | gives up |
| 21:07.35 | Mr_Rabies | forever |
| 21:07.55 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: post-Cata I didn't really like Darkshore. It felt too alive, which is a weird thing to say |
| 21:08.12 | nilyaK | not dark enough? |
| 21:08.13 | nilyaK | :P |
| 21:08.19 | zenzelezz | sort of, yeah |
| 21:08.46 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: is there less of an infuriating glut of murlocs than there was pre-Cata? :) |
| 21:09.02 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, there's like, one murloc quest |
| 21:09.11 | Amarande | I remember Darkshore used to be murloc hell |
| 21:09.24 | Amarande | especially when you also used to only have one minute of breath |
| 21:09.33 | Amarande | it was kind of like this ... Mrrrrmmmggggllll...glug. heh |
| 21:10.51 | Amarande | however, like I said, the main thing about Darkshore at this point is that many people tend to outlevel it before their character makes it out of the starting zone |
| 21:11.55 | Amarande | Unless maybe you're talking an unguilded character who doesn't take a gathering profession (i.e., most likely chose tailoring/enchanting, since that's the only really reasonable combination that doesn't include one) |
| 21:12.31 | Amarande | or maybe if they're a skinner since I don't think you get extra xp from skinning a mob once it's dead |
| 21:12.40 | Amarande | it's been a long while since I've skinned a mob with anything other than an 85 though heh |
| 21:16.31 | Amarande | But yes, the leveling clip is a tad rapid for the zone levels before 80 especially :) |
| 21:17.15 | Amarande | I remember when 4.0.3a first hit I took my then-level 33 mage to WPL (so, a little below the zone level to start, actually) and by the time I finished it and EPL I was level 48 or 49 (several levels above EPL's top level) |
| 21:18.26 | Unkle | Skinning does not provide XP as a gathering profession. |
| 21:20.39 | Amarande | yeah, after saying that it occurred to me that it likely didn't |
| 21:20.47 | Amarande | since things like engineering dismantling don't give xp eitehr |
| 21:21.06 | Amarande | (and I still think shale spiders ought to need mining to "skin" rather than skinning, but w/e) |
| 21:22.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Vladinator (~Vladinato@102.111.45.31.customer.cdi.no) |
| 21:23.13 | Vladinator | ~seen Torhal |
| 21:23.17 | purl | torhal is currently on #sc2mapster (22h 23m) #riftuidev (22h 23m) #wowprogramming (22h 23m) #wowhead (22h 23m) #wowuidev (22h 23m) #arl (22h 23m) #wowace (22h 23m) #curseforge (22h 23m) #diablofans (22h 23m). Has said a total of 76 messages. Is idling for 8h 6m 1s, last said: ':/'. |
| 21:23.51 | Vladinator | He last said :/ when I said something mean to Stanzilla :P |
| 21:24.09 | Stanzilla | meany |
| 21:26.56 | Vladinator | Stanzilla: have you taken a look at my new creation? :P |
| 21:27.32 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~Caleb|@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 21:27.44 | Stanzilla | no, what is it |
| 21:49.08 | Vladinator | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21600-HonorQueue.html |
| 21:49.11 | Vladinator | @ Stanzilla |
| 21:49.20 | Vladinator | pvp honor fram replacement |
| 21:49.21 | Stanzilla | dont need that |
| 21:50.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Tuller (~tuller@c-76-21-187-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 21:53.58 | *** join/#wowuidev stephanleroux (~stephanle@CPE0026f39ccce4-CM0026f39ccce0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:55.19 | *** join/#wowuidev stephanleroux (~sleroux@CPE0026f39ccce4-CM0026f39ccce0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:55.57 | *** join/#wowuidev sleroux (~sleroux@CPE0026f39ccce4-CM0026f39ccce0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:04.10 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@108.162.157.134) |
| 22:04.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Ressy (~Ressy@unaffiliated/ressy) |
| 22:06.10 | Amarande | guh |
| 22:06.40 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@2601:a:f00:1f:cd07:f91:993b:2075) |
| 22:06.40 | *** join/#wowuidev A-KO (as@unaffiliated/a-ko) |
| 22:06.46 | Amarande | Ressy, is there seriously a 15 minute time limit on the Battle for Gilneas, and it's pretty much impossible to do atm so I might as well just shelve any new worgen and play something else till MoP launch at least, and very likely 5.1.0? |
| 22:07.47 | alestane | Shouldn't take 15 minutes unless they seriously nerfed something else. |
| 22:08.16 | Amarande | alestane: apparently, the more you actually assist in the battle, the more likely it is to bug otherwise |
| 22:08.30 | Amarande | but from what I'm seeing, if you take 15 minutes you get booted back to the starting camp no matter what |
| 22:08.49 | Amarande | it's almost like they're trying to tell us not to play worgen anymore unless they're DKs. :P |
| 22:09.06 | Amarande | (or unless we pony up the money to switch race to worgen after creating the character) |
| 22:09.41 | Amarande | basically, is this likely to EVER be fixed, or for sanity's sake is it best now to avoid being a worgen at all unless you plan to be a DK? |
| 22:09.50 | alestane | That sounds like the sort of thing that can be hotfixed. |
| 22:10.01 | Amarande | if anything 5.0 seems to have made it more buggy, not less |
| 22:10.19 | alestane | I never had any issues with it, although I haven't run it since 5.0.4 |
| 22:10.42 | Amarande | wonder if I should try to jailbreak it by gathering until 15, going to RFC, dying and spirit rezzing to get out of the starting experience ... though I'm guessing that wouldn't actually work :P |
| 22:11.04 | Unkle | That doesn't work. |
| 22:11.23 | Unkle | You'll get "The Battle for Gilneas is still not decided." |
| 22:11.42 | Amarande | Unkle: is it likely to work at all for the near future, or am I most likely going to have to shelve this druid until possibly as late as 5.1.0 or later? |
| 22:12.14 | Amarande | (since I'm sure 5.0.x patches from here on out are probably going to be single-mindedly focused on making sure the Pandaren rollout goes over smoothly, so it probably won't be till then that something like this is likely to get attention :P) |
| 22:12.16 | Unkle | does not have a secret hotline into Blizzard's Issue Resolution system. |
| 22:12.23 | Amarande | (if it ever does ... viz. *cough* Darrowshire *cough*) |
| 22:14.49 | *** join/#wowuidev Fargos (~abcdefg@frnk-590fd296.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 22:15.15 | Fargos | is it possible to get the remaining "health" of a priest shield for example via api? |
| 22:15.25 | Amarande | wow. apparently this has been buggy since 2011 |
| 22:16.32 | Unkle | Fargos - usually you have to calculate the value when it was cast and do math based on the damage events it takes as recodrded by the combat log. |
| 22:19.11 | *** join/#wowuidev oscarucb (~oscarucb@63.250.88.54) |
| 22:21.08 | Fargos | ok so the old way and no api :/ |
| 22:22.07 | Amarande | wow |
| 22:22.12 | Amarande | apparently I have to put in a ticket to get out of Gilneas |
| 22:22.16 | sleroux | new here, could anyone recommend an add-on to peruse to get my head around using xml templates? |
| 22:22.21 | Amarande | it may be the only feasible way to start a worgen atm |
| 22:22.23 | Amarande | wtg blizz. |
| 22:22.25 | foxlit | Fargos: check the UnitAura returns |
| 22:22.38 | Amarande | hmmmmm. |
| 22:22.58 | Fargos | i'll have a look thanks |
| 22:22.59 | Amarande | did low level characters' damage output get decreased and/or low level mobs have the math constants that determine their health increased since 5.0? |
| 22:23.10 | Amarande | it just occurred to me that perhaps that's the root of it all atm :| |
| 22:24.39 | Amarande | If maybe nothing even changed in the coding of the Gilneas battle at all, but instead changes to the numbers involved in combat/NPC health determination result in combat going too slow now |
| 22:24.58 | Amarande | I never got this far on a worgen before 5.0 so I'm not sure now :S |
| 22:25.34 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~Caleb|@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 22:27.00 | Adys | are there resolution issues in this new patch? |
| 22:28.28 | *** part/#wowuidev sleroux (~sleroux@CPE0026f39ccce4-CM0026f39ccce0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:30.46 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 22:30.46 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 22:32.28 | *** join/#wowuidev LexSfX (LexSfX@i216-58-66-198.cybersurf.com) |
| 22:33.25 | Amarande | crap. I think I've figured out the source of this supposed "bug" |
| 22:33.32 | Amarande | and it's not a positive prognosis |
| 22:34.00 | Amarande | I will confirm it the moment I meet the first hostile NPC |
| 22:34.55 | Amarande | ... yup. if the legacy stats on wowhead are right, it's indeed this, and there's no way around it except a GM |
| 22:35.50 | Amarande | I'm not sure what a fix will entail either, since it looks like it is indeed a change in the basic game maths that screwed it over |
| 22:35.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Torhal|work (~torhal_wo@76.164.170.2) |
| 22:35.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Telshin (~textual@76.164.170.2) |
| 22:38.33 | alestane | Although if the problem IS a change to mob stats, that speaks well for it being hotfixable. |
| 22:39.18 | Amarande | alestane: yeah, they're going to have to go through every mob in this area and change the HP multipliers, I guess |
| 22:39.39 | Amarande | chances are it probably won't be till 5.1 since the 5.0 focus is surely going to be strictly on Mists |
| 22:39.54 | Adys | is the 64bit client available for the current build? |
| 22:39.58 | Adys | if so where |
| 22:40.01 | Amarande | right now I'm doing nothing but following Liam and seeing if 15 minutes is indeed a limit |
| 22:40.54 | Amarande | since it's also said that actually fighting is a good way to bug things out too |
| 22:42.02 | mckenziemc | *not* fighting is (was) a good way to bug it out IME :-/ |
| 22:42.52 | alestane | It depends how much work it is to fix; there are also probably going to be people who want to roll worgen monks, so leaving the starting area unavoidably bugged seems like a recipe for trouble. |
| 22:43.06 | mckenziemc | worgen can't be monks |
| 22:43.10 | *** join/#wowuidev MentalPower (~textual@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Administrator/MentalPower) |
| 22:43.10 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.12 | Amarande | yeah, worgen can't be monks |
| 22:43.20 | Amarande | mckenziemc: heh, it seems like this that or the other thing bugs it |
| 22:43.22 | alestane | Oh, did they end up adding race restrictions? |
| 22:43.34 | alestane | See how much attention I've paid. |
| 22:43.35 | Amarande | right now I am trying to figure out if there is indeed the 15 minute time limit as suggested |
| 22:43.44 | Amarande | I'll find out in about five minutes |
| 22:44.15 | Amarande | mckenziemc, do you remember the abominations having almost 2500hp before 5.0? |
| 22:44.32 | Amarande | I know it looks like the HP on the regular undead has doubled (273hp pre-5.0 according to wowhead, now 546) |
| 22:44.48 | mckenziemc | i never checked |
| 22:45.14 | Amarande | yay, looks like I may have pretty much wasted 1000g or so on bags for this character :| |
| 22:45.21 | Amarande | unless I'm willing to pay money to race change to NE |
| 22:46.05 | Amarande | and the worgen starting area was actually fun until now, too :( |
| 22:48.10 | Amarande | ok, 15 minute time limit confirmed |
| 22:48.13 | Amarande | yup. |
| 22:48.14 | Amarande | gah. |
| 22:48.26 | Amarande | I could ask a GM to port me beyond this chain as it is a bug |
| 22:48.39 | Amarande | but even if they do so for me, that feels cheap, and I never get to see the end of the starting chain :( |
| 22:49.20 | mckenziemc | unless they just port you to teh end of that quest |
| 22:50.02 | alestane | FFS, you keep acting like this is an eternally insurmountable barrier. |
| 22:50.15 | alestane | I understand it's not going to get fixed today, but really. |
| 22:50.49 | Amarande | alestane: well, atm you can't, unless you do something extreme like level up to 30 or so (possible off gathering, since you're locked to apprentice level gathering professions so herbs will never go grey) and then equip yourself via mailing stuff from an alt |
| 22:50.51 | alestane | There's no need to treat the toon as if they'd died just because there's a bug right now. |
| 22:51.00 | Amarande | then you probably could do it by just ripping through everything solo |
| 22:51.08 | Amarande | other than that, though, looks like I get to shelve this character |
| 22:51.29 | Amarande | well, I'm kind of worried that it's going to spend longer rather than shorter bugged, because atm Blizzard's focus is going to be on getting Mists and Pandaren up and running |
| 22:51.39 | Amarande | and since worgen can't even be monks, there's probably not going to be much demand for a fix for a while :| |
| 22:53.52 | Amarande | well, time to go roll another alt. |
| 22:58.00 | alestane | Is there somewhere that corroborates that this is a general problem? |
| 23:00.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Borgleader (~borgleade@modemcable169.141-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 23:02.10 | alestane | Amarande, is there somewhere this issue is documented? |
| 23:02.22 | mckenziemc | he mentioned wowhead |
| 23:02.50 | xyphoid | presumably amarande's posted a bug report somewhere |
| 23:04.45 | Amarande | alestane: lots of claims of it being "bugged" |
| 23:04.56 | Amarande | though nobody seems to have taken as systematic of a meat axe to the available evidence as I just did |
| 23:05.27 | Amarande | doubling the HP of the enemy mobs in a timed quest that's primarily NPC vs NPC battle would seem to be a good screwer, though :P |
| 23:05.45 | alestane | Is there some place where these claims are collected? |
| 23:06.00 | Amarande | alestane: googling shows a number of people speculating on there being a 15 minute time limit |
| 23:06.25 | Amarande | which is all but certain (basically I just followed Liam for 15min staying alive and noted that it duly reset) |
| 23:06.47 | Amarande | wowhead shows that people have indicated it's been getting "buggier" since 5.0 |
| 23:06.58 | alestane | Where in WoWHead? |
| 23:07.04 | Amarande | if you don't know about the hidden time limit, you probably would think it was bugged, indeed |
| 23:07.31 | alestane | I understand the problem. What can I point Blizz folks at to make sure that it's a known problem? |
| 23:07.35 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=24904 |
| 23:07.50 | alestane | "Something this guy told me" does not inspire much concern. |
| 23:08.35 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3595374368 <--- previous speculation on a 15 minute timer |
| 23:08.57 | Amarande | last two times I've tried it, both times it reset after pretty much spot on 15 min |
| 23:09.18 | Amarande | (not exactly sure what the precise moment when the timer starts is, but it was within that give or take a minute or so from Liam's yelling FOR GILNEAS) |
| 23:10.28 | alestane | Year-old thread is not going to make a strong case for a recent bug. |
| 23:12.20 | Amarande | the thread is another source of evidence for there being a 15 minute time limit, though |
| 23:12.39 | Amarande | (it is never actually said that you only *have* 15 minutes, but it's just there to back me up on the fact that it has been confirmed to reset if you take that long) |
| 23:13.31 | durcyn | write a book about it |
| 23:15.28 | alestane | Have you submitted a bug about this? |
| 23:15.42 | alestane | Or identified that someone else has? |
| 23:15.44 | Amarande | alestane, should I submit it in game or do I need to post it on the forum? |
| 23:15.52 | alestane | Either. |
| 23:15.55 | alestane | Or both. |
| 23:16.09 | alestane | But if you don't, they REALLY won't get to it any time soon. |
| 23:17.45 | alestane | You seem to be pretty good at detailing the issue exhaustively. |
| 23:18.09 | alestane | If you make a forum post, I can forward the link to someone who should at least be able to make sure that it gets checked out. |
| 23:22.08 | *** join/#wowuidev User632 (~U632@pool-173-51-205-208.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:22.31 | amro | can someone recommend an o(1) lookup hashmap in c++? |
| 23:25.12 | foxlit | <insert witty remark about the request being impossible due to the wrong case> |
| 23:36.25 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~Caleb|@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 23:39.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Rythal (~me@75-119-251-19.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:42.18 | mckenziemc | Amarande: i just completed The Battle for Gilneas City, though it did take a couple tries |
| 23:42.50 | Amarande | mckenziemc: I'm guessing you barely managed it when you did, too? |
| 23:42.51 | Amarande | which class? |
| 23:42.54 | mckenziemc | there was one thing i hadn't noticed before but i think it hasn't gotten more bugs |
| 23:43.03 | mckenziemc | druid, and i had 2-3 minutes to spare |
| 23:43.04 | Amarande | yeah, I don't think it's actually gotten more *bugs* as such |
| 23:43.23 | mckenziemc | it didn't seem slower or like the targets had less health though |
| 23:43.34 | Amarande | I think it's that the time limit has gotten too tight (especially for a starting quest, it would make sense if it was a high level scenario that was actually meant to be hard) with the higher mob HP |
| 23:43.37 | mckenziemc | and i know in the past i've gotten teleported to the start |
| 23:43.45 | Amarande | actually, it's that they have more health, not less |
| 23:43.57 | mckenziemc | that's what i meant, and i don't think they do |
| 23:43.59 | Amarande | wowhead says a level 13 (or was it 12? a little fuzzy there) normal mob had 273 HP before the patch |
| 23:44.05 | Amarande | such a mob now appears to have 546 HP |
| 23:44.18 | mckenziemc | it seemed like they were dying quicker |
| 23:44.38 | Amarande | what level were you at the time? |
| 23:44.41 | mckenziemc | i think what happened on the first attempt was just that the npcs spread out near the start and took three minutes longer |
| 23:44.42 | mckenziemc | 13 |
| 23:44.47 | Amarande | ah, same level as Morwenn |
| 23:45.02 | mckenziemc | oh boy, it just teleported me out while i was waiting at the turn-in >.> |
| 23:45.11 | Amarande | yeah, it shouldn't be so tight as to depend on such luck |
| 23:45.22 | Amarande | am putting in the bug report on the blizzard forums now |
| 23:45.35 | mckenziemc | i think it's been that way, but i think it also should be extended by five minutes |
| 23:45.35 | Amarande | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6551925603#1 |
| 23:46.36 | mckenziemc | prince liam likes to stand around for a minute after gorerot dies but i've noticed that a long time ago |
| 23:46.36 | Torhal | [18:13:31] <durcyn> write a book about it <-- Isn't that what's happening? |
| 23:46.50 | Amarande | mckenziemc: yeah, I saw that too |
| 23:47.10 | Amarande | and the real pisser is that you can't really affect the pace of things at all yourself unless, like I said, you were to level way out of proportion via gathering |
| 23:47.31 | Amarande | to really significantly pick up the pace, you'd basically have to be so high level that you're one-shotting things with moonfire |
| 23:47.52 | Amarande | btw, which spec did you pick? |
| 23:47.58 | mckenziemc | resto :p |
| 23:48.01 | Amarande | ditto |
| 23:48.23 | Amarande | it is good that you'd at least get spells in proportion to your level |
| 23:48.37 | Amarande | I thought the automatic spell learning at low levels was just a lowbie helper thing and eventually you'd have to buy them |
| 23:49.18 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~Caleb|@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
| 23:49.31 | Amarande | it would have made sense for that to be the case, since I know on a lot of new alts in the past, if I didn't mail money or bags over from my main I sometimes ran into trouble affording all my spells as I leveled |
| 23:49.39 | Amarande | (especially in the distant past when spells had ranks and you had to pay for each one) |
| 23:51.08 | Amarande | this is the only character so far that I've started since the patch (as most of the time since the patch came out, I was either trying to get my UI back into order, at Dragon Con, or finishing up TwiHi on my mage), so the auto-learn was new to me |
| 23:51.42 | mckenziemc | i remember the distant distant past when you had to re-train ranks of talented spells if you switched specs |
| 23:52.01 | Amarande | yeah, I think I remember that |
| 23:52.06 | Kraps | i think this griffon is flying really slowly |
| 23:52.07 | Amarande | it was still that way in BC right? |
| 23:52.17 | mckenziemc | i started in BC so it must've been |
| 23:52.20 | Amarande | Kraps: your griffon or the flight path one? |
| 23:52.31 | Kraps | flight path |
| 23:52.43 | Amarande | Kraps: did you swap toons from one that's in a guild with the perk to one that's not? |
| 23:52.53 | mckenziemc | Kraps: get a faster computer |
| 23:52.55 | Kraps | nope |
| 23:53.13 | Kraps | im not having framerate issues dummy |
| 23:53.23 | mckenziemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.55 | Kraps | 20 minutes from hinterlands to sw? |
| 23:54.05 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 23:54.17 | Amarande | on the good side, the ranks of talented spells were a lot cheaper than permanent spells |
| 23:55.27 | mckenziemc | Kraps: maybe they slowed down the taxis when they added the guild perk so you have to be in a guild the same speed :D |
| 23:55.35 | mckenziemc | Amarande: this is a joke |
| 23:56.38 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:56.50 | Kraps | relogging seemed to fix it, just in time to catch the griffon fly through a mountain |
| 23:57.02 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 23:57.23 | Kraps | what are they feeding them |
| 23:57.24 | Amarande | you know, the elevators at Dragon Con would work a lot easier if people were like WoW characters :) |
| 23:58.13 | mckenziemc | i got disconnected on a taxi once, and when i got back in it was going the wrong way, then turned around and started flying through mountains and over the un-sculpted terrain that existed pre-shattering |
| 23:58.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Caleb| (~Caleb|@BC249965.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) |
