| 00:03.53 | Archarodim | I posted this ticket: http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/tickets/311-add-to-bliz-options-causes-massive-taintaing/ about InterfaceOptions_AddCategory() massive tainting issue |
| 00:04.06 | Archarodim | Has anyone reported this problem to Blizzard yet? |
| 00:06.11 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Giant_Knife_1.jpg |
| 00:10.22 | Mr_Rabies | linux.jpg |
| 00:12.44 | mckenziemc | nope, it can't run linux, unfortunately |
| 00:21.14 | Dagmar | You're using hte wrong bootstrap |
| 00:34.40 | foxlit | go-hero.net/i/gw001.jpg << I wonder how you get clipping bugs like this |
| 00:38.55 | mckenziemc | Dagmar: you mean the one on the knife isn't good enough?! |
| 00:42.08 | F16Gaming | how interesting |
| 00:42.15 | F16Gaming | 5.0.4 healers: oom fast |
| 00:42.24 | F16Gaming | 5.0.4 mana-using ranged dps: spam forever and never oom |
| 00:48.46 | kd3 | yup |
| 00:54.49 | foxlit | mostly because dps mana regen is static. |
| 00:55.16 | foxlit | none of that pesky spirit to balance around |
| 00:56.43 | Amarande | actually, isn't DPS mana regen based on haste now? |
| 00:56.47 | kd3 | or changing mana pools |
| 00:56.56 | Amarande | which would probably explain it, since haste has been one of the more common stats to optimise for |
| 00:59.31 | F16Gaming | well i find it annoying how us healers have to *very* carefully manage our mana pool while dps people can just facemash the entire fight |
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| 01:05.05 | Neffi | nevcairiel (et al Mapster devs): Not sure what's going on here, but this is what happens in the latest Mapster: http://i48.tinypic.com/2vjwm0n.jpg |
| 01:06.04 | Neffi | Also, UIDropDownMenu is attempting to concatenate UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_LEVEL as a userdata value, but I don't think it's Mapster because I've run through the whole source and I never see it pass a bad value |
| 01:06.13 | Neffi | But the error appears whith Mapster |
| 01:06.44 | F16Gaming | "Theramore's Fall (Level 85): You are not eligible, please advanced to a higher level." |
| 01:06.49 | F16Gaming | Blizzard error messages are so funny |
| 01:06.51 | Neffi | I've looked through other zones, and so far Dun Morough and its subzones seem to be the only ones with the green corruption appearing |
| 01:24.23 | F16Gaming | there's something odd about these chickens... http://i.imgur.com/GoYAe.jpg |
| 01:25.22 | mckenziemc | i see nothing odd |
| 01:26.53 | Archarodim | Neffi, the 'UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_LEVEL as a userdata' is probably caused by /console taintlog 2 (or 1) being bugged in 5.0.4 |
| 01:27.21 | Neffi | Thanks Archarodim, unset |
| 01:28.33 | Neffi | Their shells seem to be a little dull in color for a full grown chicken |
| 01:28.39 | Neffi | I would have them checked out |
| 01:30.23 | Amarande | I'm guessing that the Theramore's Fall scenario is set to some kind of artificial level like 99 to keep it locked till it's time? |
| 01:30.48 | F16Gaming | the displayed required lvl is 85 |
| 01:30.52 | mckenziemc | it's not worth wondering about |
| 01:30.56 | mckenziemc | just wait till blizz unlocks it |
| 01:30.57 | Amarande | (I remember LOTRO did something like this too ... a few months ago everyone was trying to figure out, what IS that door in Bree-town that claimed to be a shop but could not be opened, saying "requires level 90", heh) |
| 01:31.32 | F16Gaming | they could've made it like "This scenario is temporarily unavailable.", but NO, let's make it a weird error that makes no sense :/ |
| 01:32.42 | Amarande | If you spend an excessive amount of time making sure your error messages make proper sense, you might want to rethink coding ... :) |
| 01:32.56 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 01:33.32 | F16Gaming | for a company like blizzard, they should have a separate division dedicated to producing errors-that-make-sense :D |
| 01:33.35 | Amarande | OTOH, a computer *is* a device by which the efficiency with which errors are generated is greatly increased. :) |
| 01:34.17 | Amarande | Of more "makes no sense" errors: you cannot summon a companion pet atm, it claims you do not have a pet |
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| 01:53.10 | Sintacks | fucking darkmoon rabit evade bugging :| |
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| 01:56.58 | Amarande | Sintacks, you shouldn't have counted to five :) |
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| 01:58.32 | Mr_Rabies | okay |
| 01:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | so far i'm pretty happy with 5.0 |
| 01:58.50 | Mr_Rabies | one thing they need to do though, is to drop zone-based general chat |
| 01:58.54 | Mr_Rabies | and link it around the world |
| 01:59.34 | Mr_Rabies | because i'm missing groups for world bosses and stuff while i'm questing on an alt |
| 01:59.35 | Mr_Rabies | :( |
| 02:00.21 | Amarande | I don't think we really have any major world bosses until MoP, now? |
| 02:00.30 | Mr_Rabies | darkmoon rabbit! |
| 02:00.44 | Amarande | well, there are a few oddballs like that guy between Feralas and Silithus who still drops chimaerok meat for the super expensive recipe |
| 02:00.49 | Amarande | but even he can be soloed apparently |
| 02:00.58 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah, i'm saying it's already a problem and we haven't even gotten into the expansion that wants us to "get out into the world" |
| 02:01.11 | Mr_Rabies | everyone's gonna stay in town because that's where the social stuff has to happen |
| 02:01.35 | Amarande | also, if a zone is quiet even with cross-realm zoning, is that indicative that the population threshold is being kept low for it, or that it's just dead? |
| 02:01.52 | Amarande | I saw quite a few cross-realm folks in Shattrath, but when I headed out into Terokkar I didn't meet anyone |
| 02:03.06 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 02:03.15 | Mr_Rabies | i haven't seen anyone in stonetalon in the past hour or so |
| 02:03.23 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm the only person on my server out here |
| 02:04.17 | Mr_Rabies | no chat whatsoever in 30 minutes, when i headed into darnassus to train skinning and herbing |
| 02:05.31 | Amarande | I'm guessing the gnomish army knife is going to get a lot more popular soon |
| 02:05.43 | Amarande | +10 herbing bonus, particularly |
| 02:06.08 | Amarande | (the mining pick and skinning knife apparently give their bonuses, but I don't think there's anything else for herbalism) |
| 02:06.57 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i just made one for myself for my new hunter |
| 02:07.05 | Mr_Rabies | WHOA |
| 02:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | just saw one of these punt a stonetalon guardian off a cliff and kill her http://www.wowhead.com/npc=34894 |
| 02:07.23 | Mr_Rabies | O_O |
| 02:07.59 | cbreak | it's not the fall that kills |
| 02:08.01 | cbreak | it's the landing |
| 02:08.42 | Mr_Rabies | depending on the height, the fall can pretty directly lead to the death :p |
| 02:09.08 | Amarande | Do NPCs even take falling damage? |
| 02:09.25 | Mr_Rabies | it seems to be pretty different from player falling damage |
| 02:09.40 | kd3 | ah, blah. up to 21% hit chance |
| 02:09.48 | kd3 | time to reforge some of that away |
| 02:10.02 | Mr_Rabies | i used to punt the guards down at the lift at the very south of the barrens and they'd take like half-hp damage from falling a billion feet |
| 02:10.18 | Mr_Rabies | lol i'm at like 9% with all mine reforged on my druid kd3 |
| 02:10.19 | Mr_Rabies | :< |
| 02:10.27 | foxlit | Mr_Rabies: wtf, since when do NPCs take any fall damage? |
| 02:11.01 | Mr_Rabies | she coulda died from being attacked, as well, but it was simultaneous with the final headbutt |
| 02:11.24 | foxlit | I'm okay with your ram story, that's likely a scripted attack |
| 02:11.29 | Mr_Rabies | mind controlled mobs definitely took fall damage at some point, maybe not anymore |
| 02:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | well |
| 02:11.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's weird |
| 02:11.33 | foxlit | It's the punting guards from the barrens lift :) |
| 02:11.48 | Mr_Rabies | the rams are neutral |
| 02:11.53 | Mr_Rabies | but the guards are fighting them for some reason |
| 02:11.54 | Mr_Rabies | O_o |
| 02:12.33 | mckenziemc | the rams are neutral to *you* |
| 02:12.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'd mind control them off the cliff, foxlit |
| 02:12.59 | Mr_Rabies | they'd spring back up after a few minutes with about half their health gone |
| 02:13.18 | Mr_Rabies | maybe because they're player pets when mced, it works? O_o |
| 02:13.30 | Mr_Rabies | MC would stop about halfway down the cliff, though |
| 02:13.33 | Amarande | hmmm |
| 02:13.36 | Amarande | do hunter pets take falling damage? |
| 02:13.49 | kd3 | there we go, down to 15.12% |
| 02:13.56 | kd3 | doesn't want to juggle reforges to get down to 15.0 |
| 02:13.57 | Amarande | or, more notably, vehicles? |
| 02:14.31 | mckenziemc | they didn't at first, at least |
| 02:14.45 | kd3 | because people got upset when they nerfed the mechanohogs to not be immune to fall damage |
| 02:14.48 | mckenziemc | remember people avoiding fall damage on the |
| 02:14.49 | mckenziemc | yeah that |
| 02:15.06 | mckenziemc | and the 3 seat mammoth too i think |
| 02:15.09 | pnorman | I miss sentry totem levitation |
| 02:15.20 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 02:15.52 | Amarande | btw. haven't been doing much wowing since the patch. did they in fact take out the 3 seat mammoths from the game, in terms of being able to acquire new ones? |
| 02:15.58 | pnorman | You used to be unable to move when using a skill that moved your viewpoint - as in you wouldn't fall |
| 02:16.06 | Amarande | or was that just a pre-patch rumour? |
| 02:16.12 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 02:16.21 | mckenziemc | so you'd switch to sentry totem while falling? |
| 02:16.27 | pnorman | yes |
| 02:16.33 | mckenziemc | xD |
| 02:16.45 | Mr_Rabies | haha |
| 02:16.45 | Mr_Rabies | sentry totem was so buggy |
| 02:16.53 | Mr_Rabies | i once accidentally found a major sentry totem exploit |
| 02:17.09 | kd3 | 25% crit? whee |
| 02:17.14 | kd3 | I like not having crap gear |
| 02:17.24 | Mr_Rabies | if you used it right as you took off on a taxi, you'd be able to run at taxi speed, on the ground |
| 02:17.25 | Mr_Rabies | and attack |
| 02:17.41 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 02:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | so i was hauling ass through hillsbrad on my level 20 shaman |
| 02:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | frostshocking the shit out of everything |
| 02:18.13 | Mr_Rabies | couldn't get it to reset, either |
| 02:18.14 | Mr_Rabies | :/ |
| 02:18.20 | mckenziemc | players? |
| 02:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | i think i eventually did |
| 02:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | reusing sentry totem did it once i figured out what caused it |
| 02:18.51 | Mr_Rabies | can't recall, it's been years |
| 02:18.54 | Mr_Rabies | this was before TBC |
| 02:20.47 | A-KO | http://i.imgur.com/pT39o.jpg < d'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 02:20.53 | kd3 | ah, fark. ¡San Cristóbal está enojado¡ Apaciguar a Dios el volcán, insignificantes seres humanos¡ [Scary] |
| 02:21.13 | kd3 | for this: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/08/13750924-nicaragua-volcano-belches-ash-cloud-residents-evacuated?lite?ocid=twitter |
| 02:42.49 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.13 | Amarande | speaking of totems, what's that trick I see shamans use to drop all four of their totems in one go? |
| 02:44.21 | Amarande | it looks like it'd have to be an addon, but I'm not sure what |
| 02:44.37 | Amarande | (haven't played a shaman since BC and am waiting for Pandaren to roll my next one, so if it's something newer ... I don't know of it heh) |
| 02:45.20 | Kraps | that trick is gone |
| 02:45.29 | Kraps | (it was an ability) |
| 02:45.42 | Kraps | totems dont buff anymore |
| 02:47.06 | znf | Amarande, there was an ability called "call of the elements" (and 2 other calls) |
| 02:47.15 | znf | You could drop all totems in a single GCD |
| 02:47.22 | znf | but now totems aren't long term buffs anymore |
| 02:47.30 | znf | they last a few seonds |
| 02:49.36 | Kraps | see here http://www.wowhead.com/spells=7.7?filter=na=totem |
| 02:50.18 | Kraps | Stormlash Totem is the only buff totem now |
| 02:52.01 | mckenziemc | drops a totem on Amarande's head |
| 02:52.04 | mckenziemc | woops! |
| 02:53.19 | mckenziemc | actually i'll be nice |
| 02:53.28 | mckenziemc | s/Amarande/Ackis/ |
| 02:54.20 | Ressy | lol |
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| 03:02.09 | Ackis | huh? |
| 03:06.32 | mckenziemc | hey Ackis, how's the concussion |
| 03:11.17 | Ackis | I'm so confused |
| 03:11.48 | mckenziemc | common symptom |
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| 03:12.10 | mckenziemc | hey Torhal |
| 03:12.15 | mckenziemc | how was the beauty nap |
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| 03:17.13 | Kraps | hey moron if you're a customer who "dumped my hard earned money into the game 8 years" you would surely know by now that blizzard deletes threads not because theylre ignoring complaints but because they only one one thread on each issue |
| 03:17.18 | Kraps | idiot |
| 03:17.35 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 03:17.47 | pompy | Kraps: what about the fucking WALLS OF TEXT of errors on the forum threads |
| 03:18.02 | Kraps | ? |
| 03:18.04 | pompy | OP posts it.. then other ppl post under it.. "Oh, i get this error too: WALLS OF TEXT" |
| 03:18.32 | Kraps | haha |
| 03:18.59 | mckenziemc | well, the forum system should auto-fold long posts :p |
| 03:19.42 | pompy | yah, mckenziemc, the respectable ppl put it in like a 'quote' tag that puts it in a scrollable box |
| 03:19.55 | pompy | or i wish theyd tell users to pastebin it haha (not like theyd ever listen!) |
| 03:20.09 | mckenziemc | or the forum system should auto-fold |
| 03:20.54 | Ressy | pompy: you get used to it. |
| 03:21.01 | Ressy | We sometimes do tell'em to pastebin. :) |
| 03:21.24 | Ressy | just cuz the box to put pastes in on the forums, is a pain in the ass to scroll |
| 03:22.00 | Ressy | ... especially on a cellphone on the way home from work, bored, and answering posts. Not that I do that of course. >.> |
| 03:22.36 | Ackis | work? of course not! |
| 03:23.02 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 03:23.02 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 03:24.13 | Ressy | yeah... I don't do much at work. Things are slow right now |
| 03:34.51 | mckenziemc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Topiary_Rufford_Hall.JPG |
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| 04:14.00 | Shirik | mode Shirik +R |
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| 04:14.43 | kd3 | no Shirik, no |
| 04:14.47 | kd3 | don't do it! |
| 04:14.48 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:14.56 | Thunder_Child | fail Shirik, fail |
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| 04:27.44 | the-golem | Shirik: for some inexplicable reason, whenever i see your name, I think of Shiek from Ocarina of Time |
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| 04:40.21 | Ackis | what's +R? |
| 04:42.06 | Shirik | block unregistered PMs |
| 04:42.23 | zmuser3 | simple mine.toc and mine.lua, how can I call the function using /script? if I do /script mine:myfn() it says something like "attempt to index global mine (nil)" |
| 04:43.16 | zmuser3 | do I have to somehow register the function so it can be called from a macro? |
| 04:49.46 | pompy | zmuser3: are you using ace3? |
| 04:49.50 | zmuser3 | no |
| 04:50.08 | pompy | ah, only know to do it using that framework! |
| 04:51.22 | zmuser3 | I will look and see how they do it |
| 04:57.45 | End_ | zmuser3: how is myfn defined? |
| 04:57.50 | End_ | just function myfn() ? |
| 04:57.59 | End_ | if so you would just do /script myfn() |
| 04:58.18 | End_ | keep in mind that everything shares the global scope |
| 04:58.29 | End_ | er environment really is what lua calls it ;-p |
| 04:58.54 | pompy | for example, in my addon it looks something like.. |
| 04:59.13 | pompy | local addon = LibStub("AceAddon-3.0"):NewAddon(private.addon_name, "AceConsole-3.0", "AceEvent-3.0") |
| 04:59.13 | pompy | _G.AckisRecipeList = addon |
| 04:59.34 | pompy | and then i can do /script AckisRecipeList:Scan() |
| 05:02.45 | zmuser3 | yeah just function myfn(), let me try that real quick without the addon name |
| 05:03.28 | zmuser3 | heh |
| 05:04.19 | zmuser3 | well it is getting called. not working right but getting called is a start. thanks! |
| 05:08.44 | Neffi | Can somebody clarify this: --SPELL_POWER_CHI = 4; This is obsolete now. |
| 05:08.50 | Neffi | found in FrameXML\Constants.lua |
| 05:08.54 | Neffi | Is Chi no longer used at all? |
| 05:10.11 | Neffi | Oh, it's clarified elsewhere. "light force" is now used instead. |
| 05:10.19 | Neffi | I really need to get up to date with all this new shit |
| 05:10.37 | zmuser3 | yay all working thanks guys! |
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| 05:44.29 | pompy | Neffi: it's called "energy" now |
| 05:49.12 | Neffi | Don't monks still have a secondary resource besides main power? |
| 06:12.42 | the-golem | chi |
| 06:13.02 | the-golem | it works kinda like holy power |
| 06:24.49 | Neffi | Alright, so that's in order. The UI actually refers to 'Chi' as 'Light force', and all constants referencing 'Chi' are gone. |
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| 06:25.25 | Neffi | Strangely it still refers to 'Dark force' but I assume if you attempt to get the power type for 'dark force' against the constant for its ID, it either returns nil or 0. |
| 06:25.55 | nevcairiel | dark force was such a broken concept |
| 06:25.58 | nevcairiel | glad they removed it |
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| 06:30.01 | Fisker | don't lie bluipodcow |
| 06:33.50 | bluipodcow | U mad? |
| 07:27.08 | Stanzilla | removes nevcairiel |
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| 07:47.43 | Neffi | I don't know if I ought to like it, but whether I'm using or developing a layer of abstraction somewhere, I always get really annoyed |
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| 08:00.06 | Fisker | hey Stanzilla |
| 08:00.13 | Fisker | i need to download |
| 08:03.05 | Fisker | pls Stanzilla |
| 08:03.45 | Fisker | dun dun dun |
| 08:03.49 | Fisker | A federal judge in Illinois has ruled that the act of intercepting unencrypted WiFi traffic does not constitute wiretapping. This decision may have far flung repercussions, setting the stage for future court battles. |
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| 08:10.52 | Fisker | bluipodcow |
| 08:10.55 | Fisker | that's my secret |
| 08:10.57 | Fisker | i'm always mad |
| 08:26.49 | Dagmar | The sad thing is that wasn't even a precedent |
| 08:32.27 | the-golem | whee |
| 08:32.47 | the-golem | 2.5hrs of PvP @ Area 52 |
| 08:33.14 | the-golem | \o/ cross-realm zones |
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| 08:53.31 | Neffi | the-golem: How often has that happened? I'm leveling a new character and have yet to see anybody, anywhere |
| 08:57.20 | Yoshimo | if my launcher tries to update itself forever with the blue progressbar reaching 100 then hangs and when you restart it, it begins again. What can i do? |
| 09:11.36 | zenzelezz | that sounds odd |
| 09:11.53 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing it's not a problem you've had before? |
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| 09:18.47 | Yoshimo | no it isnt, just happened with the prepatch |
| 09:19.04 | Yoshimo | i can play by starting wow.exe itself but its still not a good way |
| 09:19.09 | Semlar | yoshimo: check if you have multiple agent.exe processes running |
| 09:19.39 | Yoshimo | whats the advantage of this new agent update process anyway? |
| 09:20.24 | Yoshimo | no not more than one |
| 09:20.25 | Semlar | i don't know, it stores data in c:\programdata\battle.net\agent if that helps |
| 09:21.02 | Yoshimo | there are multiple copies of agent, so if you say make a simpler way to update , it wont work. each patch i get a new agent^^ |
| 09:23.59 | Semlar | the only thing i can think of is that the latest update is causing the launcher to think the client version doesn't match the server or something along those lines |
| 09:25.25 | Semlar | i would just continue bypassing the launcher for now since that's working |
| 09:52.26 | Yoshimo | has anyone notices "script ran too long" being more common after5.04? |
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| 09:56.12 | Semlar | if i'm not mistaken that's new in 5.0.4 |
| 09:56.49 | Semlar | they added a time limit for script execution in combat |
| 09:57.26 | Semlar | which appears to actually be causing more problems than solving |
| 09:58.13 | Ycarene | Anyone experiencing stability issues with mmo minion? |
| 09:58.29 | Ycarene | It might be my environment but I'm checking here first. |
| 09:59.18 | Semlar | i don't use it, sorry |
| 09:59.45 | Semlar | i think i did see a post somewhere that it needed the last version of java and not the most recent |
| 10:01.44 | Ycarene | ugh |
| 10:02.15 | Semlar | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44083 from about the fourth post down is where i read it |
| 10:02.41 | Semlar | it doesn't really sound like it's being maintained |
| 10:02.46 | Ycarene | I can't use curse client either, so mmo minion is really all there is. |
| 10:03.01 | Semlar | why can't you use curse client? |
| 10:03.20 | Ycarene | Can't get the .net stuff I need to install correctly in wine. |
| 10:03.27 | Semlar | oh |
| 10:03.38 | Ycarene | mmo minion is platform agnostic. |
| 10:08.03 | Ycarene | It makes me sad, I kinda like curse client, but I wish they had done the .NET coding in a way to allow it to run on a broader array of os type. I understand why they stuck with windows/mac, it |
| 10:08.13 | Ycarene | 's just frustrating that I can't use it. |
| 10:10.07 | cbreak | what's the point of the client? |
| 10:10.17 | Semlar | to keep your addons up to date automatically |
| 10:11.56 | cbreak | oh. That's not something I'd get frustrated over :/ |
| 10:12.00 | cbreak | I hope you'll find a way! |
| 10:13.09 | Semlar | could you do it in a vm? |
| 10:13.55 | Semlar | share the wow folder with it |
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| 10:15.07 | Ycarene | If I had a legal copy of windows to install in it. |
| 10:15.48 | Ycarene | The only legal copy I have is windows 98se... (I have windows 7 installed in hardware but ext2fsd is really squirrly with ext4) |
| 10:16.42 | cbreak | sounds like updating addons manually is less work. |
| 10:17.04 | Semlar | that would depend on how many addons you use |
| 10:17.33 | Ycarene | It's especially useful for times like around now when addons are being updated almost daily. |
| 10:18.09 | Semlar | yes, there are probably a ton of updates going out |
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| 10:25.39 | Torhal | Ycarene: I use Dropbox for my Interface/AddOns and symlink to it |
| 10:26.11 | Torhal | Then again, symlinks (or junction points) on Windows require 3rd party software |
| 10:28.26 | Ycarene | Still, it's a pain to have to reboot do update my addons. |
| 10:30.51 | cbreak | since when do symlinks require third party software? |
| 10:31.24 | Torhal | I don't use Windows, but last I heard junction points (their version of symlinks) required extra software |
| 10:31.35 | cbreak | maybe. |
| 10:31.41 | cbreak | but they have that other thing |
| 10:31.51 | cbreak | links |
| 10:32.01 | Semlar | mklink |
| 10:32.07 | Semlar | creates a symbolic link |
| 10:32.13 | Semlar | it's part of windows |
| 10:32.23 | cbreak | you can just right click on something |
| 10:32.26 | cbreak | and create a link |
| 10:32.32 | karl_w_w | windows has done normal symlinks since vista |
| 10:32.36 | cbreak | I've not used that myself but it's probably working |
| 10:32.40 | karl_w_w | before that there were junctions |
| 10:32.55 | Corrodias | as of windows Vista, you have symlinks, and built-in functionality to create them |
| 10:32.56 | Semlar | i don't know what version of windows you can just right click and make a link but it isn't vista |
| 10:33.09 | karl_w_w | junctions didn't need 3rd party either but it helped |
| 10:33.09 | Corrodias | there are no context menu items to do so, no. |
| 10:33.12 | cbreak | there's something with links somewhere in there |
| 10:33.17 | cbreak | it's in new |
| 10:33.21 | cbreak | new ... link or something |
| 10:33.28 | Corrodias | it's a command-line feature, and you need an elevated prompt to do it |
| 10:33.54 | Semlar | cbreak the only thing you can make under new are shortcuts |
| 10:34.00 | karl_w_w | Semlar: shift-right click -> open command window here |
| 10:34.01 | cbreak | yeah |
| 10:34.04 | cbreak | shortcut! |
| 10:34.09 | cbreak | same thing |
| 10:34.12 | Semlar | no |
| 10:34.17 | Corrodias | that won't help, karl_w_w; see: need an elevated prompt to do it |
| 10:34.23 | Torhal | I don't think that'll work for using DropBox to sync AddOns. |
| 10:34.29 | Semlar | shortcut does not behave the same way as a symbolic link |
| 10:34.36 | Torhal | Shortcuts are just a normal file Windows knows how to utilize |
| 10:34.49 | cbreak | same as symlinks |
| 10:34.49 | karl_w_w | Corrodias: only pansies don't run as admin :P |
| 10:34.57 | cbreak | normal files that refer to an other file |
| 10:35.00 | Corrodias | even running on an administrator account, karl |
| 10:35.03 | cbreak | with a few special flags :) |
| 10:35.08 | karl_w_w | since when? |
| 10:35.12 | Corrodias | unless you've completely disabled UAC, you'll need to launch an elevated prompt |
| 10:35.28 | karl_w_w | oh, since people don't disable UAC? |
| 10:35.29 | karl_w_w | lol |
| 10:35.35 | Corrodias | yes |
| 10:35.36 | Corrodias | lawl |
| 10:36.45 | Semlar | i use symlinks to let the different warcraft installations use the same addon folder |
| 10:44.59 | cbreak | why different installations? |
| 10:45.05 | cbreak | different versions? |
| 10:46.41 | Corrodias | or perhaps languages? |
| 10:47.32 | cbreak | I thought there are language packs nowadays |
| 10:47.50 | cbreak | not that I tried that... |
| 10:48.03 | cbreak | I paid extra many years ago to have the english version shipped :) |
| 10:48.25 | Semlar | normal version and ptr or beta |
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| 10:50.22 | karl_w_w | there have always been language packs cbreak :P |
| 10:50.46 | cbreak | back in the old days I would have had to download a whole new WoW |
| 10:50.48 | karl_w_w | they're just a bit easier to get a hold of these days |
| 10:51.06 | cbreak | and not just new text/media |
| 10:52.25 | zenzelezz | man... just glanced quickly on IRC and thought "I've never heard of the text/media type" |
| 10:55.19 | karl_w_w | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1977376 any ideas? |
| 10:56.09 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 10:58.18 | zenzelezz | is it the system disk, or a storage disk? |
| 10:58.29 | karl_w_w | system |
| 10:59.09 | karl_w_w | luckily i still have win 8 preview on a partition of the storage disk which is what im using now |
| 10:59.39 | zenzelezz | so Windows does not hang, only the disk? |
| 11:00.45 | karl_w_w | well windows doesnt hang so to speak |
| 11:00.56 | Corrodias | huh, that's a hell of a problem, karl |
| 11:01.02 | karl_w_w | it just cant do anything that requires the disk |
| 11:02.07 | Semlar | i was going to say put it in the freezer but i think that only works with mechanical drives |
| 11:02.15 | Corrodias | when a disk fails, windows spends a few seconds retrying, then unmounts all associated volumes and informs you. if one of the volumes is system-critical, such as hosting a pagefile or the OS installation, it stops (BSOD). |
| 11:02.47 | Corrodias | i am unfortunately somewhat more familiar with this than i'd like |
| 11:03.40 | Corrodias | actually, i forget whether it actually tells you, or you have to figure out for yourself that the disk is suddenly gone. |
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| 11:29.17 | karl_w_w | well it doesn't do that Corrodias, any program that tries to use the disk freezes completely and permanently, including explorer |
| 11:32.07 | Corrodias | ah... may depend on the nature of the failure, in that case |
| 11:32.35 | Corrodias | and i suppose on how the interfacing hardware responds |
| 11:38.04 | karl_w_w | i could flash the firmware on it |
| 11:38.14 | karl_w_w | but i dont wanna do that before backing up :P |
| 11:38.48 | karl_w_w | i imagine if it stopped responding mid-flash I'd be sol |
| 11:39.31 | Corrodias | what i have heard is that updating firmware typically erases the data anyway (at least, makes it inaccessible) |
| 11:40.39 | karl_w_w | I've flashed it once before and it didn't |
| 11:41.20 | karl_w_w | I've heard that in cases like this, updating the firmware can fix it, at least partially/temporarily |
| 11:41.26 | Corrodias | good, good. i'm pretty sure some models do. |
| 11:43.43 | ZorbaTHut | karl, ddrescue on System Rescue CD can do what you want |
| 11:47.14 | ZorbaTHut | (and is what I recommend for essentially all disk rescuing operations) |
| 11:49.41 | Kraps | whats the shortcut to search item of a specific color in bagnon |
| 11:50.05 | Kraps | grey, white, etc |
| 11:53.44 | Kraps | never mind |
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| 12:30.45 | Adys | Kraps: search the quality |
| 12:30.49 | Adys | poor, uncommon |
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| 12:41.09 | Kraps | heh you dont even have to use the modifier |
| 12:47.34 | Kraps | whats the difference between a guild page and herald |
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| 12:53.01 | Semlar | i think anyone can use the herald, not just the person who summoned it |
| 12:53.37 | Semlar | anyone from the same guild |
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| 13:44.37 | olafski | should I receive some kind of mail that tells me how to get to the vale of eternal blossoms when I hit 90? my gf managed to open some gate, but I can't seem to find it :P |
| 13:45.10 | foxlit | olafski: Temple of the White Tiger. |
| 13:45.24 | foxlit | dunno if there's an actual breadcrumb |
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| 13:47.31 | olafski | thanks :) |
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| 14:11.13 | Yoshimo | is there a paste service that takes more than 500kb text? |
| 14:13.07 | foxlit | nobody wants to read more than 500kb text. |
| 14:25.00 | Amarande | bops foxlit over the head with the Wheel of Time series. :) |
| 14:36.18 | pompy | http://i.imgur.com/Hw8e5.jpg |
| 14:37.24 | Vladinator | I am getting senile, how can I check if I am in a battleground atm? :P lol |
| 14:37.49 | Vladinator | IsInInstance() ^^ |
| 14:38.41 | cbreak | wait 2 seconds |
| 14:38.47 | cbreak | if you're alive, then you're not in a BG |
| 14:38.50 | cbreak | sulks |
| 14:40.00 | mikma | pompy: :D |
| 14:40.13 | mikma | pompy: oppa kim jong style |
| 14:40.52 | pompy | haha yup |
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| 15:57.45 | Adys | $~!1% |
| 15:58.08 | Adys | blizzard bugged the gnomish turban of psychic might on the character screen |
| 15:58.10 | Adys | *not* ingame |
| 15:58.15 | Adys | unbelievable |
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| 15:59.31 | zenzelezz | that sounds impressive |
| 15:59.35 | zenzelezz | how is it bugged? |
| 16:00.47 | Adys | zenzelezz: the feather is flattened to the model in the char screen |
| 16:00.50 | Adys | its normal ingame |
| 16:06.37 | Adys | zenzelezz: ingame: http://i.imgur.com/hRjvC.png -- charscreen: http://i.imgur.com/QxMVc.png |
| 16:07.15 | zenzelezz | that's... peculiar |
| 16:07.37 | zenzelezz | admittedly I'm not much of a graphics coder, but I do wonder how that's possible |
| 16:08.55 | Adys | Im trying to come up with an excuse for them but I cant. anything i can think of is way out of this world |
| 16:09.57 | Adys | ... i didnt even fucking notice |
| 16:09.58 | zenzelezz | it's as if they're using a different renderer, or have set it to low-processing mode or something |
| 16:10.04 | Adys | the netherwind shoulders are missing their glow |
| 16:10.35 | Adys | they're definitely using a different renderer |
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| 16:10.55 | zenzelezz | I've had some other enchants not show up on the login screen, but don't recall the specifics |
| 16:11.12 | Adys | yeah i figure it would be the whole type |
| 16:11.50 | Kraps | hahahahaha http://www.ehow.com/how_7313437_remove-gems-gear-wow.html |
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| 16:13.29 | Vladinator | Kraps: it's not funny, I really did need to read the guide to learn how to socket my gear. |
| 16:14.00 | Kraps | yes but this guide is telling you how to "remove" gems |
| 16:15.09 | Adys | FUCKING FINALLY |
| 16:15.19 | Adys | Tyrande's Favorite Doll |
| 16:15.32 | kd3 | I know, right? I finally got it yesterday |
| 16:15.46 | zenzelezz | Adys: grats |
| 16:16.45 | Adys | kd3: after 10+12+15+13+13+9+19+14+16+10+15+5+21+12+16+11+13 junk artifacts and 6 rares |
| 16:17.50 | Adys | also kinda useless now that the pvp trinket has int |
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| 16:18.05 | Adys | but that kinda figures |
| 16:18.13 | Kraps | wow thats neat |
| 16:19.12 | zenzelezz | I've got most of the archaeology rares (only missing som Tol'vir if I recall correctly), but the only ones I've particularly wanted was the hearthstone, the skeleton raptor mount+pte |
| 16:19.13 | zenzelezz | *petr |
| 16:19.16 | zenzelezz | ... *pet |
| 16:19.35 | Adys | is there some collectinator-like addon that shows you your missing rares? |
| 16:20.22 | Adys | lol the pandaria arch achievements still all have the same icon |
| 16:20.24 | Adys | *shakes head* |
| 16:21.02 | zenzelezz | no worries, they'll patch that in 5.2 |
| 16:21.38 | bluspacecow | hehehehe |
| 16:21.39 | Ressy | Adys: Archy shows different colors for current artifacts you haven't completed before |
| 16:21.44 | bluspacecow | i notice you didn't say 5.1 |
| 16:21.47 | bluspacecow | or 5.0.5 :P |
| 16:21.48 | Adys | zenzelezz: Pandaria Archeology achievements now have new, unique icons! |
| 16:22.00 | Ressy | Adys: Already solved shows grey, new solves are white |
| 16:23.11 | Adys | Ressy: do you have a screenshot? |
| 16:23.27 | mckenziemc | patches bluspacecow |
| 16:23.44 | bluspacecow | *bugs out in one of his packages* |
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| 16:24.22 | karl_w_w | friggin volume shrinks take forever |
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| 16:25.36 | mckenziemc | makes sense |
| 16:26.49 | starlon | beats me how to make gold in this game :/ |
| 16:27.08 | starlon | without gathering for hours on end |
| 16:27.14 | Adys | dailies |
| 16:27.19 | starlon | Really? |
| 16:27.27 | Adys | if you dont want to gather yes |
| 16:27.32 | starlon | Heh |
| 16:27.36 | Adys | or play the AH |
| 16:27.50 | starlon | I got my first epic mount that way. |
| 16:28.02 | Adys | or alternatively, try figure out what sells well from old content |
| 16:28.03 | starlon | Back when auctioneer was used at the command line. |
| 16:28.13 | starlon | nods. |
| 16:28.29 | Adys | i made fucktons of money with linen cloth while farming 4k booty bay rep |
| 16:28.30 | starlon | Well I've been farming to sell a sulfuron hammer. |
| 16:29.08 | starlon | I have a ton of bloods. They're supposed to sell well, but nobody's buying. :/ |
| 16:29.18 | Adys | im trying to figure out if the LK epic mount will increase or decrease in price after pandaria |
| 16:29.29 | starlon | heh |
| 16:29.57 | starlon | linen cloth eh |
| 16:30.01 | mckenziemc | both |
| 16:30.06 | starlon | That's a good idea. Cloth. |
| 16:30.28 | Adys | linen goes way down when you have more than three people leveling an alt |
| 16:30.35 | Adys | the most stable one is mageweave |
| 16:30.43 | starlon | ah |
| 16:31.21 | Adys | but theres some fun shit you can do |
| 16:31.43 | Adys | arcanite bars can sell really, really well and you can sometimes find cheap arcane crystals |
| 16:32.01 | starlon | yeah I've been collecting arcane crystals for bars |
| 16:32.10 | starlon | not farming them. just buying off the AH |
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| 16:32.22 | starlon | For the hammer. |
| 16:32.35 | karl_w_w | arcane crystals are something you should never farm for |
| 16:32.42 | karl_w_w | like golden pearls and star rubies |
| 16:32.43 | Adys | if you also have the plans you can smelt the elementium shit |
| 16:32.43 | starlon | heh |
| 16:32.53 | Adys | huge profit |
| 16:32.53 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6520712803?page=2#27 |
| 16:32.58 | starlon | heh |
| 16:33.10 | bluspacecow | sounds like a brilliant way of ruining your credit |
| 16:34.16 | karl_w_w | run baby run dont ever look back |
| 16:34.37 | karl_w_w | they'll tear us apart if you give them the chance |
| 16:35.26 | zenzelezz | I would imagine your bank/credit card provider would start to wonder after the third or so time you challenged a bill |
| 16:35.43 | Adys | there we go, got the damn doll |
| 16:36.45 | bluspacecow | tyrande's ? |
| 16:36.49 | Adys | yea |
| 16:36.52 | cbreak | how would it ruin credit? |
| 16:38.16 | bluspacecow | is that a charge back what they're doing ? |
| 16:38.24 | kd3 | ya |
| 16:39.23 | bluspacecow | "If you paid cash....well you are not completely out of luck. You can contact the attorney general in your state. If the state you live in has an active claim against Blizzard, there is a chance you might be able to recover all or part of your money through the fines and penalties levied against Blizzard." |
| 16:39.35 | bluspacecow | filing a report with local law enforcement ? |
| 16:39.44 | bluspacecow | none of it necessary if they called billing. |
| 16:39.56 | Ressy | Adys: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9038867/Temp/unsolved.jpg |
| 16:40.05 | Fisker | why bluspacecow |
| 16:40.06 | Fisker | WHY? |
| 16:40.12 | bluspacecow | because |
| 16:40.13 | bluspacecow | GNOMES |
| 16:40.17 | bluspacecow | must kill them!@ |
| 16:40.30 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 16:40.37 | bluspacecow | hi |
| 16:40.45 | mckenziemc | no Fisker |
| 16:40.57 | mckenziemc | you cannot hey bluspacecow |
| 16:41.53 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
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| 16:45.24 | starlon | Oh they removed the ports in Dal. :/ |
| 16:45.32 | starlon | What's the quickest way to Felwood? lol |
| 16:45.37 | starlon | From SW |
| 16:45.43 | bluspacecow | hmmm. |
| 16:45.44 | kd3 | hyjal |
| 16:45.49 | starlon | Ah |
| 16:45.51 | bluspacecow | Boar to Darnassus |
| 16:45.57 | bluspacecow | then Fly |
| 16:46.00 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 16:46.02 | starlon | nods. |
| 16:46.04 | starlon | Boar? |
| 16:46.13 | starlon | Boat? |
| 16:46.13 | bluspacecow | boat! |
| 16:46.26 | bluspacecow | boar ona boat! |
| 16:46.31 | starlon | The one in mentehil doesn't go the same place if I recall correctly. |
| 16:46.55 | starlon | That's how I always got to Darn |
| 16:47.13 | bluspacecow | flight part in Darn/ |
| 16:47.27 | bluspacecow | path |
| 16:47.52 | starlon | Only other way I know is booty bay, and that flight path is LONG |
| 16:48.19 | starlon | Which boat? |
| 16:48.39 | bluspacecow | far left IIRC |
| 16:48.46 | starlon | k |
| 16:49.02 | bluspacecow | from stormwind |
| 16:49.25 | starlon | oh |
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| 16:50.09 | Kraps | irc is like 2 boats in booty bay |
| 16:50.31 | bluspacecow | been a while since i've been there :P |
| 16:51.48 | Kraps | i was second highest dps in blackrock caverns heroic |
| 16:51.54 | Kraps | as the tank |
| 16:53.59 | cbreak | that's nothing |
| 16:54.04 | cbreak | I was the HIGHEST |
| 16:54.09 | cbreak | as mage |
| 16:54.18 | Kraps | damn |
| 16:54.18 | cbreak | and I was tanking more often than not :( |
| 16:54.22 | Kraps | haha |
| 16:56.13 | Kraps | lfd lets me do end time now |
| 16:57.47 | karl_w_w | im tired god dammit how long does it take to format shit |
| 17:00.12 | Kraps | got my http://www.wowhead.com/item=77156 137k health now |
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| 17:06.33 | Kraps | oh hey the justice gear is bis according to askmrrobot |
| 17:06.51 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 17:07.01 | bluspacecow | any decent gear using that currency before MoP ? |
| 17:07.26 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/muradin/Bluspacecow/simple |
| 17:11.51 | Kraps | it also weighs dodge above mastery which i think i wrong according to what ive read |
| 17:11.57 | Vladinator | the PVP blacklist feature can't be used oncall to arms battlegrounds, but that's purely a lua side restriction, you can still blacklist and queue random and have random avoid the CtA, hehe :P exploit? bug? |
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| 17:12.24 | zenzelezz | http://i.imgur.com/7CQd4.gif |
| 17:12.57 | Kraps | he otter calm down |
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| 17:23.06 | Kraps | hey minor glyph are not just cosmetic http://www.wowhead.com/item=45794 |
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| 17:25.55 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 17:26.11 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 17:30.20 | bluspacecow | hehe |
| 17:30.26 | bluspacecow | saw this in a crash report "Error: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS at 0x000000000000001D" |
| 17:30.36 | bluspacecow | and what was the first thing though my mind ? I think you can guess. |
| 17:31.29 | Adys | no, i really cant |
| 17:31.45 | Adys | but if i had to give it a shot id say boobs |
| 17:32.01 | TMc51 | I was thinking something else.. |
| 17:32.09 | zenzelezz | I'm utterly confused... my linux Firefox is not very happy with Wowhead, while on Windows it works fine in Firefox and Chrome... and I can see no obvious reason |
| 17:32.33 | bluspacecow | is linux firefox using the same build as windows ? |
| 17:32.35 | bluspacecow | is it whine ? |
| 17:32.36 | zenzelezz | the page loads, but search results/item pages don't show the contents |
| 17:32.44 | Adys | zenzelezz: addons possibly |
| 17:33.10 | zenzelezz | Adys: certainly a possibility, but I'm not aware of changing any since my last visit. Will try disabling them and see |
| 17:33.34 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: wowhead cdn was broken a while ago. completly reset cache |
| 17:33.52 | bluspacecow | reset DNS cache ? |
| 17:34.03 | nevcairiel | just ctrl f5 didnt cut it for me |
| 17:34.04 | bluspacecow | wave a rubber chicken called george ? |
| 17:34.09 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: ah, that could be it |
| 17:34.17 | nevcairiel | browser cache. :p |
| 17:34.36 | bluspacecow | the simple answer |
| 17:34.37 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: bingo... how interesting |
| 17:34.49 | bluspacecow | george is disappointed he didn't get to do any swinging. |
| 17:35.10 | zenzelezz | on another note, it puzzles me how Firefox can disable plugins (like Flash) without restarting, while addons do need a restart |
| 17:36.09 | bluspacecow | possibly using some form of virtual machine like loading architecture for plugins but not for addons ? |
| 17:36.57 | zenzelezz | with FF, who knows. I'm generally a fan, but it certainly has its share of peculiarities |
| 17:40.55 | Kraps | haha https://us.battle.net/wow/en/vault/character/auction/alliance/browse?itemId=3427 |
| 17:41.12 | Kraps | can you guys see that |
| 17:43.29 | Ressy | I can |
| 17:43.49 | Adys | Your search did not produce any results, please try again. |
| 17:43.51 | Adys | what is it? |
| 17:44.07 | Kraps | Stylish Black Shirt on the AH |
| 17:44.09 | bluspacecow | i see 2 auctions |
| 17:44.10 | TMc51 | Meh, don't feel like restoing my authenticator to try logging in to see it. |
| 17:44.17 | Kraps | 55 gold |
| 17:44.20 | bluspacecow | might need to log into the forums |
| 17:44.21 | Ressy | 55g? |
| 17:44.27 | Kraps | yep |
| 17:44.29 | bluspacecow | i saw 40 G |
| 17:44.30 | Ressy | lawlz. your server's getting ripped |
| 17:44.40 | Ressy | 10g 15s 75c |
| 17:44.44 | bluspacecow | needs a US account to login of course |
| 17:44.56 | Kraps | the vendor sells it for 60 silver |
| 17:45.01 | Kraps | se whats the point |
| 17:45.02 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 17:45.05 | Ressy | lawz |
| 17:45.11 | bluspacecow | i'm seeeing it only for my Realm |
| 17:45.16 | bluspacecow | sellers on Muradin |
| 17:45.36 | Kraps | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/3427 |
| 17:45.57 | bluspacecow | 20 G on mine |
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| 17:46.54 | bluspacecow | y u haet? |
| 17:47.03 | Ressy | prolly dc'ing |
| 17:54.51 | olafski | vendor items being sold for a lot more on the AH.. is this new? :] |
| 17:55.03 | olafski | I've been making quite a bit of profit on warbot ignition keys =) |
| 17:58.40 | Ressy | you can purchase those now? |
| 17:58.48 | Stanzilla | ^thats why |
| 17:59.20 | Ressy | wowhead still shows you can't get'em anymore |
| 17:59.27 | kd3 | wowhead is slow |
| 17:59.33 | kd3 | the toy vendor in dalaran sells it |
| 17:59.53 | Ressy | cool |
| 18:00.01 | bluspacecow | https://us.battle.net/wow/en/vault/character/auction/alliance/browse?itemId=46767 |
| 18:00.12 | bluspacecow | 487/511 on Muradin. |
| 18:00.40 | Kraps | 807/850 on KT :| |
| 18:00.47 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7178491 |
| 18:03.44 | Kraps | the comments burn my eyes |
| 18:04.04 | Kraps | or maybe its the forum color scheme |
| 18:04.47 | Ressy | 806/849, 806/849, 6000/6500 |
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| 18:44.11 | Amarande | hrm. |
| 18:44.32 | Amarande | interesting. you can summon minipets via the standard blizz panel, but try as you might you can't seem to do it via an addon, it just claims "you don't have a pet" |
| 18:45.19 | Amarande | is that a bug in addons or is that being specifically blocked now (possibly some sort of decision related to pet battles)? |
| 18:46.48 | bluspacecow | which addon? |
| 18:49.11 | Amarande | hmmm, trying to remember which one it is |
| 18:50.17 | Amarande | I think it's from ArkInventory's broker interface |
| 18:50.36 | Amarande | since a right click on the button notes version 3.3.2 and that's the only addon I appear to have for which that is a version number |
| 18:51.04 | bluspacecow | can you summon the pet via a macro ? |
| 18:51.22 | Amarande | not sure how to create a pet summon macro :S |
| 18:51.29 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.35 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.37 | Amarande | I know it works via the Blizzard panel, does NOT work via the ArkInventory stuff at all |
| 18:52.09 | Amarande | oh, nice. E134 |
| 18:52.17 | bluspacecow | arkinventory broker interface ? |
| 18:53.49 | bluspacecow | IIRC addons only export a LDB feed. It would be the LDB display addon displaying the UI for it |
| 18:54.01 | Amarande | doing "/use Chuck" or "/use Alliance Balloon" is also giving "you do not have a pet" |
| 18:54.13 | bluspacecow | possibly a bug then |
| 18:54.14 | Amarande | and why the hell did I get an E134 when I teleported back to Stormwind |
| 18:54.29 | zenzelezz | E134? |
| 18:54.31 | bluspacecow | da faq is a E134 when its at home |
| 18:54.37 | bluspacecow | its a race car ! |
| 18:54.46 | Amarande | I get the feeling it's related to the oddness with xrealm zones, since right before getting E134 I got my chat window spammed with the "skill relearning" thing |
| 18:54.48 | Amarande | Error 134 |
| 18:54.58 | Ressy | corruption |
| 18:55.00 | bluspacecow | why didn't you just say so ? pastebin pls |
| 18:55.10 | Ressy | skill relearning is the cross realm |
| 18:55.18 | Amarande | have people been having issues with corruption/crashes related to xrealm zoning? |
| 18:57.06 | Ressy | I haven't |
| 18:57.14 | Ressy | and I've been on cross realm since yesterday |
| 18:57.28 | Ressy | besides, they waited to start cross realm, and error 134 started right away |
| 18:58.02 | Amarande | has it specifically been narrowed down what causes E134? |
| 18:58.20 | bluspacecow | i have my suspicions. |
| 18:58.28 | Amarande | hm. they do not seem to be linked |
| 18:58.46 | Amarande | teleporting from TwiHi to SW produced both a skill relearning and E134 |
| 18:58.49 | Amarande | flying from SW into Elwynn produced the skill relearning thing, but not another E134, though |
| 18:59.00 | bluspacecow | possibly something in the data optomization feature freaking out with something in the repair on demand feature. |
| 18:59.13 | bluspacecow | optimisation |
| 18:59.48 | Amarande | hm. teleport to Theramore didn't trigger either. teleport back to SW, let's see |
| 18:59.57 | Ressy | Amarande: Error 134 is because of file corruption |
| 18:59.58 | Amarande | this is easier to test seeing that you don't need a reagent for teleport anymore |
| 19:00.14 | Ressy | and the skill relearning is cross realm |
| 19:00.21 | Ressy | they're not linked |
| 19:00.26 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 19:00.28 | Ressy | otherwise I'd be crashing, and I'm not |
| 19:00.33 | Amarande | teleport back to SW did not trigger another crash |
| 19:00.45 | Ressy | Even running a dev copy of Ackis Recipe list. |
| 19:00.53 | Amarande | teleport to Dala did not trigger it |
| 19:01.24 | bluspacecow | still corruption. different parts of a multi GB file being loaded. different assets are stored in different places in it. |
| 19:01.37 | Amarande | unless the file repaired itself after the first corruption incident? |
| 19:01.46 | Ressy | ERROR 134 means your files are corrupted, and that repair on demand can't download it to you fast enough to repair to keep you from crashing |
| 19:01.56 | Amarande | the first time I teleported to SW it crashed, the second time (which would naturally land me in the exact same spot facing the same way seeing the same art assets) did not |
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| 19:02.13 | bluspacecow | still the same thing |
| 19:02.25 | bluspacecow | different people standing near you the 2nd time you ported in |
| 19:02.33 | Amarande | though that could mean that the repair on demand fixed it |
| 19:02.39 | Amarande | I don't think there was anyone either time |
| 19:02.49 | Amarande | porting to SW puts you in the mage trainer room, which is usually empty |
| 19:03.31 | bluspacecow | changes nothing about the cause. |
| 19:03.33 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 19:03.36 | Fisker | why can't you tell me why? |
| 19:03.46 | bluspacecow | why ? |
| 19:03.57 | F16Gaming | does /ignore also block addon messages from the ignored player? (in all channels) |
| 19:05.38 | Amarande | Self repairing files = good thing, though. Especially in the USA. |
| 19:05.51 | zenzelezz | why in the USA? |
| 19:06.10 | Amarande | zenzelezz: because USA ISPs are douchebaggy and have bandwidth caps |
| 19:06.48 | Amarande | in the US, a reinstall of WoW is a quite noticeable percentage of your monthly cap (we're talking like 5-20% depending on ISP) |
| 19:06.55 | bluspacecow | 'cept when it's not working requiring a re download over a >2GB file that may or may not corrupt again. |
| 19:07.19 | durcyn | you must be thinking of australia or canada, i can count the number of american ISPs with bandwidth caps on one finger |
| 19:07.27 | zenzelezz | do you get any indication of which file(s) are being corrupted? |
| 19:07.36 | Amarande | durcyn: yeah but compare those to a list of American ISPs that people actually use |
| 19:07.43 | zenzelezz | Comcast? |
| 19:07.49 | bluspacecow | @zenzelezz listed in the error #134 report |
| 19:07.51 | Amarande | e.g., what percentage of the US population with broadband is on either Comcast, Charter, or AT&T, for instance |
| 19:07.55 | bluspacecow | also in the logs somewhere. |
| 19:08.14 | bluspacecow | Logs folder in wow folder as well as in Battle.net folder. |
| 19:09.07 | bluspacecow | so far texture.MPQ , world.MPQ , and the update files for 5.0.4 (16016) |
| 19:09.41 | zenzelezz | so in theory (while entirely unpractical) you could keep a backup copy of the large WoW files in case they do corrupt? |
| 19:09.49 | Amarande | here's the E134, anyway: http://pastebin.com/fZfauPrD |
| 19:10.11 | bluspacecow | thats the most common one to corrupt |
| 19:10.25 | bluspacecow | do you have beta installed ? |
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| 19:10.53 | Amarande | Mostly wondering if it's self-repaired now or if I'm going to run into it again later. I tried a few things that I thought might reproduce it (teleporting around, returning to the same spot in SW, taking flight paths etc.) but it didn't come up again. |
| 19:11.09 | bluspacecow | *cough* |
| 19:11.18 | bluspacecow | Do you have the MoP beta or PTR client installed? |
| 19:12.54 | Amarande | Nope. |
| 19:13.02 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 19:13.10 | bluspacecow | you may be able to download a fresh copy of it |
| 19:13.36 | bluspacecow | just finding a link |
| 19:13.54 | Amarande | I'm presuming if it was still corrupt, I would have crashed again when I tried teleporting back to SW, though |
| 19:13.59 | Amarande | so it *has* to have repaired itself, no? |
| 19:14.13 | bluspacecow | we addressed this before. crashing in a different place in the file. |
| 19:14.39 | Amarande | well, presumably it would be trying to read the same resources again (which would be at the same spot in the file, unless WoW uses some truly odd logic in their MPQs) |
| 19:15.02 | Amarande | unless, of course, it crashed in a spot in the file that isn't related to the location of the resources |
| 19:15.42 | g0urra | hah people are selling the warbot for over 950g |
| 19:15.43 | bluspacecow | and did you read each error report in detail ? IE to double check *which* asset its crashing on ? |
| 19:15.58 | bluspacecow | look up the MPQ file format |
| 19:16.06 | bluspacecow | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lpEyCrJIkKKnq6je_9R3ZnzKeQ_cuIJgNz7Btroqqvk/edit |
| 19:16.34 | bluspacecow | redownload world.MPQ . keep a backup copy just in case. be sure agent is not running. then copy into wow folder when done downloading. |
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| 19:26.50 | Amarande | which warbot? the only one I'm noticing on the list is the one from the Mountain Dew promo and that lists as Not Tradeable |
| 19:27.21 | zenzelezz | warbot? |
| 19:35.21 | F16Gaming | Amarande: the one in pet journal is not tradeable, the item you buy is |
| 19:36.36 | Kraps | why are the HoT and other cata heroics separate from each other in lfd |
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| 19:38.48 | Kraps | Parnic, ping |
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| 19:42.36 | durcyn | because they have higher requirements, Kraps |
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| 19:57.35 | Fisker | don't do it Parnic |
| 19:57.36 | Fisker | it's a trap |
| 20:01.27 | Elkano | Fisker is a trap! |
| 20:05.49 | Primer | bah, seems I broke optionaldeps...guess I don't really understand what it's for |
| 20:06.54 | bluspacecow | options ! |
| 20:06.59 | bluspacecow | like booby options |
| 20:07.05 | Primer | but these deps are far from "optional" |
| 20:07.10 | Primer | they're required |
| 20:07.45 | Primer | I do have code that, for example, detects another addon, and enables features based on this other addon. I would consider this to be an "optional" dep |
| 20:12.21 | Primer | So Archarodim, considering you're probably the only person here that uses my addon, do you have some free time to help me fix this client hang issue? |
| 20:12.32 | Primer | I'm now able to reproduce it consistently |
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| 20:13.41 | Primer | Seems that with quest POI enabled, once that code places a waypoint in the HUD, certain zoning, such as zoning from Org to Uldum, will consistently trigger it, as long as I don't complete the quest |
| 20:14.09 | Primer | So, grab the fishing or cooking daily, and as long as the quest POI is also in Org, zone to Uldum...bam |
| 20:14.22 | Gnarfoz | Primer: OptDeps ensure that, if an addon specified in your addon's OptDep list is present, it will be loaded before your addon. |
| 20:14.39 | Primer | Gnarfoz: right, I realize this now |
| 20:14.44 | Primer | I just think it's badly named |
| 20:15.56 | Primer | sigh, so of course, today's fishing and cooking dailies both are OUTSIDE Org... |
| 20:16.01 | Primer | let me try alliance |
| 20:17.17 | Primer | ok, fishing's in SW |
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| 20:25.24 | Neffi | Woke up after 2 hours of sleep to get ready for school, about to leave when my dad comes home and tells me it's Sunday. Ugh. |
| 20:26.09 | Neffi | I seriously need to prioritize time for WoW / addons and homework better |
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| 20:28.49 | Neffi | Anyway, I'm going through secondary resources to implement the relevant events for them in my unit frames. Anyone that plays a relevant class, can you help me out? |
| 20:29.09 | Neffi | Tell me which resources you'd expect to see visible on unit frames that I didn't list here (or if I listed any that are redundant) |
| 20:29.11 | Neffi | combo points, runes, shards, eclipse, holy power, chi, shadoworbs, embers, demonic fury |
| 20:29.53 | Neffi | And if there's anything abnormal about them. Ie eclipse has a binary state of either solar or lunar, not just a raw value. |
| 20:31.21 | bluspacecow | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/stunning-multi-touch-glass-keyboard-to-come-with-open-source-software |
| 20:31.27 | bluspacecow | want ? |
| 20:32.02 | Neffi | Looks terrible for typing |
| 20:32.10 | nevcairiel | i need feedback from my keyboard |
| 20:33.12 | Neffi | If anyone sees anything wrong with the above, I'd appreciate the feedback. I'm working solely on the limited info of the wikis and Constants.lua. I only play 2 classes so it's kinda hard to implement things I don't have access to. |
| 20:34.44 | bluspacecow | which ones for reference ? |
| 20:35.04 | nevcairiel | get beta, create template char, hoora |
| 20:35.06 | nevcairiel | y |
| 20:35.14 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 20:35.59 | mckenziemc | isn't today the day they have|will shut off the beta? |
| 20:36.28 | bluspacecow | that was the estimate from kalivax iirc |
| 20:36.53 | nevcairiel | never read any news |
| 20:36.57 | Primer | So this consistent replication of my bug...is not |
| 20:38.47 | Primer | I did find another potential candidate for the client hang, a call to hooksecurefunc("WatchFrame_Update", ... |
| 20:39.07 | Primer | So basically I've wrapped anything that's a callback with a check for recursion |
| 20:41.26 | Antze | how can I measure for how long does it take to run my code? e.g. I have: for i = 1, 1000000 do SOME_CODE end, but if I put print(GetTime()) in front and after this section, I always get the same value |
| 20:41.46 | Antze | looks like it's cached internally before running lua callbacks |
| 20:43.10 | Neffi | GetTime only updates on OnUpdate now |
| 20:43.38 | Neffi | debufprofilestart(); --[[some code]]; print(debugprofilestop()) --> prints time since last call to debugprofilestart() |
| 20:44.14 | Neffi | Obviously don't leave these calls in your final code, since they're global now, and multiple addons using them at once will clash |
| 20:44.28 | Antze | thanks |
| 20:45.03 | mckenziemc | i thought you could check times separately for different addons and it was just the stop that would mess up others |
| 20:45.10 | mckenziemc | !api debugprofilestart |
| 20:45.10 | lua_bot | debugprofilestart: Starts/resets the high resolution profiling timer (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/debugprofilestart) |
| 20:46.37 | Neffi | No, it's one unified timer |
| 20:47.15 | Neffi | If you want the *CPU time* a given addon is using, use the script profiling functions with the relevant cvar. I forget them, see Wowpedia. |
| 20:47.30 | Neffi | Also having that cvar on bogs down performance noticeably |
| 20:47.45 | Neffi | As evidenced for my blaming 5.0 for shitty performance when I forgot it was on |
| 20:48.35 | mckenziemc | lol |
| 20:50.22 | Primer | sigh, I just can't reproduce this problem consistently...it really sucks |
| 20:51.28 | Neffi | Primer: What problem? |
| 20:51.54 | Antze | I just needed to measure if something was optimal... well, it wasn't |
| 20:52.03 | Primer | Neffi: Client hang when zoning |
| 20:52.18 | Neffi | Antze: Post code? =) |
| 20:52.41 | Neffi | Primer: Lots of unexplained client hangs in 5.0. They added a system for preventing long execution in combat, and apparently it's very buggy. |
| 20:52.50 | Primer | I'm now almost sure now that it's from handling QUEST_LOG_UPDATE or QUEST_POI_UPDATE |
| 20:53.03 | Primer | Neffi: This is a problem that's existed in my addon for YEARS now |
| 20:53.35 | mckenziemc | time for a rewrite! |
| 20:53.41 | Neffi | Got any loops or recursion? |
| 20:53.51 | Neffi | It's easy to overlook something |
| 20:53.53 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 20:53.56 | Primer | My guess is it's infinite recursion |
| 20:54.03 | Primer | but since the client fully hangs, I can't confirm this |
| 20:54.19 | Neffi | post the function that's recursing? |
| 20:54.20 | nevcairiel | infinite recursions will usually bail out rather fast with a stack overflow |
| 20:54.23 | Primer | uhhh |
| 20:54.27 | Neffi | doesn't know if recursing is a word. |
| 20:54.32 | Primer | if I knew what that was, I'd be able to fix it |
| 20:54.54 | Neffi | Well do you know if you have any instances of recursion at all? |
| 20:55.08 | Neffi | At least with loops you can ctrl-F 'for', 'while' and 'repeat' |
| 20:55.10 | Primer | nevcairiel: well, that's the thing. Archarodim here figured out that I did have exactly that a long time ago |
| 20:55.18 | Antze | table operations, like local dest = {}; dest.a, dest.b, desc.c = src[2], src[3], src[4] against local dest = { a = src[2], b = src[3], c = src[4] } |
| 20:55.24 | Primer | and he suggested code that fixed that exact error: C stack overflow |
| 20:55.58 | Neffi | Antze: The ladder should be faster, but that's all just micro-optimization. |
| 20:56.10 | Primer | the fix was to add a local variable named AlreadyInThisFunction, then check for it at the start of the function, and if it was false, set it to true, then set it back to false when it finally did return |
| 20:56.28 | Neffi | That all sounds very hackish. |
| 20:56.50 | Antze | it's 25% faster |
| 20:56.51 | Primer | What else can I do? |
| 20:56.58 | nevcairiel | figure out why its happening |
| 20:57.05 | nevcairiel | fight the cause, not the symptom |
| 20:57.28 | Primer | nevcairiel: it's happening because the code is happening asynchronously and I have no control over it |
| 20:57.43 | nevcairiel | there is no async in lua |
| 20:57.47 | Neffi | Antze: And unless you're doing it millions of times, it doesn't really matter |
| 20:57.47 | Primer | yet there is |
| 20:57.52 | nevcairiel | there is not |
| 20:57.57 | nevcairiel | All Lua is run in one thread |
| 20:58.30 | Antze | I'll just reply with one word... errrm... identifier - COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED |
| 20:58.32 | Neffi | Do you mean you're depending on a hook, the code of when is underterminable against variables? |
| 20:58.38 | Primer | I wish Archarodim would chime in here |
| 20:58.55 | Neffi | Antze: Oh god don't create a new table every combat log event |
| 20:58.58 | Primer | because he had an explanation for this |
| 20:59.13 | Primer | also, running in one thread doesn't preclude asynch code |
| 20:59.13 | Neffi | Garbage churn would offset the extra cost of inserting into an existing table by many thousands of times. |
| 20:59.26 | Neffi | And that performance hit actually would matter |
| 20:59.34 | Primer | it's not a threading race condition, it's just infinite recursion |
| 20:59.58 | nevcairiel | if you run in one thread, its by definition synchronous |
| 21:00.09 | Neffi | A recursive function should know when to stop recursing with itself |
| 21:00.10 | Primer | negative |
| 21:00.33 | nevcairiel | you seem to misunderstand what async means =p |
| 21:00.38 | Primer | not at all |
| 21:00.55 | Primer | I know exactly what it means |
| 21:01.00 | nevcairiel | apparently not |
| 21:01.03 | Neffi | Antze: If you need to store data temporarily, and have it be fresh each event, see WoW's function: table.wipe; Store table permanently, insert as needed, wipe when needed. |
| 21:01.21 | Primer | In event driven programming, you have handlers for events |
| 21:01.34 | Neffi | Events are never fired in tandum |
| 21:01.39 | Neffi | Always back to back |
| 21:01.51 | Primer | Yet we observed that this was not the case |
| 21:01.58 | Neffi | You may not know when your handler is firing compared to other handlers for that event, but that's not asynchronosity. |
| 21:02.05 | nevcairiel | there will never be two pieces of Lua code executing at the same time, period |
| 21:02.10 | Neffi | Then your observations are wrong |
| 21:02.11 | Primer | yes, I get that |
| 21:02.14 | Primer | that's threading |
| 21:02.22 | Torhal | I believe he was referring to client/server async. |
| 21:02.25 | Primer | has nothing to do with being asynchronous |
| 21:02.32 | Neffi | If two events fired in tandum, the results would be obvious when they corrupt memory |
| 21:02.42 | Gnarfoz | *tandem |
| 21:02.46 | Primer | You could have one thread handling code (think select()) |
| 21:02.51 | Neffi | My spelling today is off =( |
| 21:03.04 | nevcairiel | You can cause an event to fire from within an event handler, if thats what you mean |
| 21:03.09 | nevcairiel | but thats hardly "async" :p |
| 21:03.52 | Primer | Not sure what to say...all I can say is this: My event handler was being called again before it was done executing |
| 21:04.04 | nevcairiel | thats certainly possible |
| 21:04.13 | nevcairiel | but thats not async |
| 21:04.35 | Primer | it's certainly not atomic, as it was suggested that event handlers are |
| 21:04.54 | Primer | i.e. a callback SHOULD execute in its entirety and return, as it's a single thread |
| 21:04.55 | nevcairiel | its easy enough to cause, register for WORLD_MAP_UPDATE, within that event handler cause SetMapToZone, and it'll fire again right there |
| 21:05.10 | nevcairiel | If anyone claimed it worked like that, he had no clue :p |
| 21:05.51 | Antze | a, b, c = src[2], src[3], src[4] is 140 times faster than t = { a = src[2], b = src[3], c = src[4] } |
| 21:05.59 | Antze | now only one more experiment... |
| 21:06.15 | nevcairiel | events are not "queued", if you manage to do something that causes an event to fire, it will fire |
| 21:06.24 | nevcairiel | this only applies to events that your code actually manages to cause |
| 21:06.28 | nevcairiel | server events dont randomly fire |
| 21:06.38 | Primer | http://ceregatti.org/svnweb/index.cgi/flight-hud/blame/trunk/FlightHUD.lua line 1285 |
| 21:06.45 | Neffi | Antze: That's all micro-optimization. Post your code and I'll give you some real feedback on how to optimize. Trust me, I spend 50% of my coding time on figuring out how to make it fast by design. |
| 21:06.50 | Primer | is the code fix as suggested by Archarodim |
| 21:06.51 | Arrowmaster | same thing happens with LoadAddOn() |
| 21:07.10 | Primer | Anything that touches AlreadyInObjectivesChanged |
| 21:07.36 | Primer | that's where I was seeing the C stack overflow error, many years ago |
| 21:08.04 | Arrowmaster | if you call LoadAddOn() in the main chunk of an addon, then the ADDON_LOADED event that fires next will be for the addon you loaded instead of yours, so you can cause ADDON_LOADED to fire and your addon to detect it without your addon being loaded |
| 21:08.05 | Primer | but this other problem is a total client hang. One guy even let it run for several minutes, and observed the process getting to 7g in size |
| 21:08.32 | Antze | the whole addon is a bit large for posting |
| 21:08.36 | nevcairiel | its most likely you calling QuestPOIUpdateIcons() |
| 21:09.52 | Neffi | That's why I rage when I see addons using ADDON_LOADED and not checking whether its referring to theirs |
| 21:11.04 | Primer | nevcairiel: I confess, I copied that code without really understanding it |
| 21:11.36 | Primer | hrmm, I took some of that code out and triggered some recursion |
| 21:11.46 | nevcairiel | if you want to know whats exactly causing it, just add a print(debugstack()) in the code that prevents the recursion, and you'll see where it came from |
| 21:11.50 | Primer | and actually got a useful trace |
| 21:12.08 | Primer | yeah, that's exactly what I have, I'm looking at it right now |
| 21:12.11 | nevcairiel | or it just tells you =P |
| 21:13.55 | Antze | > Neffi: That's why I rage when I see addons using ADDON_LOADED and not checking whether its referring to theirs |
| 21:14.05 | Antze | actually that comes from some bad example somewhere on the net :/ |
| 21:14.17 | Antze | I was one of those folks until I finally read the doc on ADDON_LOADED |
| 21:14.29 | Antze | to check what parameters does it actually have |
| 21:14.45 | Antze | that was a revelation |
| 21:14.48 | Primer | ok, this is promissing. I'm now seeing a call to SetMapZoom from Handynotes triggering one of my callbacks |
| 21:14.59 | Primer | and the recursion detection code is catching it |
| 21:16.20 | Neffi | Antze: VARIABLES_LOADED is useful too, since it calls immediately after all addons finish loading. I use that instead of addon_loaded. |
| 21:18.32 | Primer | I think I'm finally getting somewhere |
| 21:18.34 | Antze | Neffi: how would you insert a block of extra values to a table in the fastest way? local t = { a=1, b=2, c=3 }; but then t.d, t.e = 4, 5 ? |
| 21:18.43 | Antze | I'm asking about the last part |
| 21:18.56 | Neffi | There is no "special way". That's exactly how you do it. |
| 21:19.09 | mckenziemc | no merge function? |
| 21:19.11 | Antze | actually the first part is table.wipe(t); t.a, t.b, t.c = 1, 2, 3 |
| 21:19.24 | Antze | ok, thanks |
| 21:19.35 | Neffi | Lua is fast. Very fast. People say it's the single fastest dynamic, VM language. Stop worrying about the few millionths of a second it would take to even insert a few thousand values. |
| 21:20.02 | Neffi | Make sure your infrastructure is fast. Individual snippets don't matter in the end. |
| 21:20.03 | nevcairiel | just dont create too much garbage in critical areas |
| 21:20.13 | nevcairiel | everything else is fine |
| 21:20.24 | Neffi | Yeah I told him not to create a new table every time. He's listening to combat log event. |
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| 21:21.27 | Primer | Is it possible to unhook hooksecurefunction()? |
| 21:21.32 | nevcairiel | no |
| 21:22.02 | Primer | just set it to nil then? |
| 21:22.05 | Primer | the callback |
| 21:22.11 | Neffi | People that know how (druid) Eclipse works, does this code look correct? |
| 21:22.12 | Neffi | http://pastebin.com/tMNDb14B |
| 21:22.13 | nevcairiel | you can't :p |
| 21:22.35 | Primer | so once hooked, that's it? Nothing you can do? |
| 21:22.36 | Neffi | Primer: Add a condition at the top of your hook that checks if you want it anymore, and returns immediately if not |
| 21:22.52 | nevcairiel | secure hooks are for evaaa! |
| 21:22.57 | Primer | lovely |
| 21:22.58 | Primer | thanks |
| 21:23.10 | nevcairiel | you could use AceHook, it does this "unhooking" via variable check for you |
| 21:23.22 | nevcairiel | but its really not all that hard to do manually |
| 21:26.06 | Semlar | do not start hooking and "unhooking" the same function repeatedly though, since you can't truly unhook something it will keep wrapping functions around it |
| 21:26.58 | Primer | Semlar: yes, I actually found a condition where the function could have been hooked repeatedly |
| 21:27.02 | Primer | just fixed it |
| 21:28.34 | Primer | Ok, so it seems that enabling quest POI integration in my code was triggering another addon's callback, which was then triggering my adon's callback |
| 21:28.47 | Semlar | good times |
| 21:28.52 | Primer | presumably ad infinitum |
| 21:29.00 | Antze | Neffi: http://storage.singu-lair.com/tmp/combatlog.txt |
| 21:29.44 | Antze | "raw" is (...) inside a table |
| 21:30.05 | Neffi | Why are you using a table at all? |
| 21:30.17 | Neffi | You have the info available to you, why parse it twice over? |
| 21:31.43 | Antze | some sub-handler may want to extract the damage amount, addressing it as work.damage to integrate it into some statistics, without knowing that damage resides in [11] for MELEE_DAMAGE and [14] for SPELL_DAMAGE |
| 21:31.55 | Neffi | Also don't do raw={...} |
| 21:32.01 | Antze | not doing anymore |
| 21:32.11 | Neffi | In fact, vararg functions still have implicit 'arg' |
| 21:32.17 | Neffi | So you can just do raw=arg |
| 21:32.28 | Antze | twipe(self._R), raw=self._R, basically |
| 21:32.36 | Neffi | But you could also use select, or buffer what you want to get with _ |
| 21:32.51 | Antze | still, calling f(...) with 3 arguments proved to be slower than f(t) |
| 21:33.01 | Antze | or I'm seeing something wrong? |
| 21:33.12 | Antze | actually, it copies all the data over the call |
| 21:33.20 | Neffi | Wait you're wrapping them because passing a variable amount of arguments is slower? |
| 21:33.35 | Antze | yes |
| 21:33.37 | Neffi | ugh |
| 21:33.59 | Neffi | You're not gonna see it in profiled code, but the churn involved with dealing with tables that way will offset any gains you think you're getting |
| 21:34.20 | Neffi | Also, that's micro-optimization. Handling variables args is still fast enough that a hundred addons shouldn't care about doing it every combat log event. |
| 21:34.56 | Neffi | If you really wanted to micro-optimize, you'd do away with the table and just list a shitload of "arg1, arg2, arg3, argN..." |
| 21:35.12 | Neffi | needs to go AFK for a few. |
| 21:35.18 | Antze | as I realized right now, the main cpu time consumer is garbage collector, so as long as I work with fields of a single table, I'm fine |
| 21:35.49 | Neffi | Before I go, note that the garbage collector isn't as good as I always thought it was |
| 21:35.51 | Antze | anyway, global variables in lua are table entries, and I'm not yet sure about local ones |
| 21:36.06 | Antze | they are in the stack, but they are named, so I expect something like the same |
| 21:36.21 | mckenziemc | locals are not stored in tables |
| 21:36.25 | Antze | I'm wrapping them into a table, because that table may be passed to many functions |
| 21:36.29 | Neffi | I was reading up on the one the LuaJIT dev is creating to replace it. He pointed out that it's very bad w.r.t CPU cache and causes a lot of cache misses and branch mispredictions. So yes, don't depend on the garbage collector to perform well. |
| 21:36.32 | Antze | more than 10 |
| 21:36.53 | Neffi | No, Lua is compiled before execution |
| 21:37.02 | Neffi | locals are directly referenced from the stack |
| 21:37.03 | Antze | aha, I see, so locals are not a table |
| 21:37.09 | Neffi | No names involved. That's just convenience. |
| 21:37.18 | Neffi | Now I go AFK |
| 21:37.27 | Antze | and in the end, passing 1 table to 10 functions should be faster than passing 15 arguments to 10 functions |
| 21:37.37 | Antze | the thing was to make the table right |
| 21:39.38 | Primer | Is it not possible to add more elements to a AceGUI:Create("Frame") when it contains a AceGUI:Create("MultiLineEditBox")? |
| 21:40.07 | Primer | I have such a frame, but the editbox occupies the entire frame, and the AceGUI:Create("Button") I've added to the frame never appears |
| 21:40.17 | nevcairiel | you need to set a different layout, default is "Fill" i believe, which just allocates all space to the first widget |
| 21:40.25 | nevcairiel | try SetLayout("Flow") |
| 21:40.32 | Primer | tries |
| 21:40.38 | nevcairiel | frame:SetLayout, that is |
| 21:40.44 | Primer | right |
| 21:40.50 | Primer | I was already calling that to fill |
| 21:41.26 | nevcairiel | maybe default isnt fill then, but List, i dunno+ |
| 21:41.43 | Primer | heh, now it's a tiny area. Guess I need to work with that |
| 21:42.01 | nevcairiel | each widget has size setters |
| 21:42.09 | Primer | right |
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| 21:43.00 | Primer | wish there was a SetWidth("available") |
| 21:43.44 | nevcairiel | you mean, like SetFullWidth(true) ? |
| 21:43.52 | nevcairiel | actually, that may not be the same |
| 21:44.06 | Primer | seems that's available |
| 21:44.19 | nevcairiel | it'll just fill one line, it doesnt take whats left of the line if you already had something before it |
| 21:46.23 | Primer | Seems if I want to set max height I need to get the height of the other element and subtract from the frame? |
| 21:46.51 | Primer | calling SetFullHeight(true) made it equivalent to "fill" |
| 21:47.02 | Primer | It obscured the following element |
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| 21:53.42 | Primer | doh, I did a search for "acegui setlayout" on google, and my svnweb site is on the first page |
| 21:55.19 | Adys | Pregnant males and pseudopenises: complex sex in the animal kingdom |
| 21:55.24 | Adys | OF COURSE I'm going to read that article |
| 21:55.38 | Adys | http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/hyena-couple.jpg |
| 21:55.40 | Adys | then again |
| 22:00.30 | Neffi | <3 Ars |
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| 22:05.01 | nevcairiel | I used to read it regularly, then they changed their websites layout, and i stopped |
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| 22:12.57 | Adys | nevcairiel: its really not that bad |
| 22:13.04 | Adys | besides i read most of it through google reader |
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| 22:18.26 | nevcairiel | i just dont like these pages with their non-linear front pages |
| 22:18.45 | nevcairiel | it irritates me |
| 22:26.15 | Neffi | You can change the layout to basically the same thing as the old layout |
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| 22:35.00 | Vladinator | question, if an addon like Carbonite is copyrighted, is it still illegal to release a diff-patch? :P |
| 22:35.23 | Vladinator | so you download the official file and apply that diff-patch on top, the diff file in itself doesn't go against any TOS :P |
| 22:35.44 | Vladinator | on it's own it's just a bunch of commands to remove, insert, e.g. data in specific positions ^^ |
| 22:36.10 | Neffi | I'm pretty sure that would constitute modification |
| 22:36.14 | nevcairiel | just let carbonite die, it'll be a better world |
| 22:36.23 | Neffi | ^ |
| 22:36.39 | Kraps | noooooo |
| 22:37.42 | Gnarfoz | (btw: everything is copyrighted, there's no such thing as "not copyrighted") |
| 22:38.10 | nevcairiel | unless you live in some country that just doesnt recognize such a concept |
| 22:38.14 | nevcairiel | i bet one exists, somewhere! |
| 22:38.29 | Kraps | krapsistan |
| 22:39.36 | Neffi | Actually I believe there's a few countries that don't implement it |
| 22:40.03 | Neffi | Also I think what Gnarfoz said depends on how you recognize public domain, and expired copyright |
| 22:40.16 | Gnarfoz | public domain is a US thing |
| 22:40.57 | Gnarfoz | and "the few countries that don't implement it" would be the few countries who're not parties to the Berne Convention |
| 22:41.42 | Gnarfoz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Berne_Convention_signatories.svg (: |
| 22:41.46 | Neffi | There's no public domain in the EU? |
| 22:41.51 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 22:41.56 | Neffi | That's kinda ugly |
| 22:42.00 | Neffi | Does copyright expire there? |
| 22:42.35 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 22:42.37 | Gnarfoz | I feel like I'm back on student exchange to the US (2002) when I was asked if we had supermarkets here |
| 22:42.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:42.58 | Neffi | Well PD is really a bad thing to declare because then you need to define limitation of liability yourself. I wonder if there's a 'public art' license out there for this kind of thing. |
| 22:44.35 | Primer | Dominos still tossing up a lot of errors |
| 22:44.47 | Primer | ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED |
| 22:44.47 | Esamynn | Gnarfoz: wtf do you mean there is not such thing as public domain in the EU? |
| 22:45.05 | nevcairiel | i kinda like the way german copyright works. Its essentially impossible to give up some basic rights to your work. Even when you sell exclusive usage/copying rights to someone, if he uses your work in a way that offends you, you still have the power to do something about it |
| 22:45.13 | Gnarfoz | specifically, that you can't "release something to the public domain" here |
| 22:45.20 | Gnarfoz | what nev said |
| 22:45.28 | Esamynn | that doesn't mean there is no such concept :P |
| 22:45.47 | nevcairiel | once copyright expires, its essentially called "in the public domain" |
| 22:46.27 | Gnarfoz | Esamynn: I was pretty sure we weren't talking about expired copyright stuff since we were talking about WoW addons ;) |
| 22:46.31 | nevcairiel | thats like, 70 years after the creators death or something |
| 22:46.52 | Gnarfoz | some details might have gone overboard on the way :D |
| 22:47.05 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: and they're trying to extend that again -_- |
| 22:47.24 | Neffi | Gnarfoz: But wait, there's still money to be made! We need another 70! |
| 22:47.25 | nevcairiel | is some public piece of art getting close to the limit, or what? :p |
| 22:48.20 | Esamynn | yay Disney! |
| 22:48.36 | Corrodias | good thing we bribed congress so they'll do whatever we want! |
| 22:48.41 | nevcairiel | you mean the mickey mouse protection act? :d |
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| 22:54.02 | mckenziemc | sigh |
| 22:54.32 | mckenziemc | wtb warning that you forgot to change the account choice at the login screen and will disconnect the other window if you continue |
| 22:58.12 | Gnarfoz | how would it know beforehand? ^^ |
| 22:58.24 | mckenziemc | by checking before kicking the other account |
| 22:58.32 | mckenziemc | window |
| 22:58.35 | Gnarfoz | do you want to go back to the days of "a character with that name already exists"?! |
| 22:58.53 | mckenziemc | that's what a kick option is for |
| 22:59.00 | Gnarfoz | a "kick option"? |
| 22:59.04 | mckenziemc | i did say "warning" and "if you continue" |
| 22:59.05 | Gnarfoz | just pay attention :p |
| 22:59.18 | mckenziemc | easier said than done |
| 22:59.29 | Gnarfoz | you could have two config.wtfs |
| 22:59.56 | mckenziemc | oh? |
| 22:59.56 | Gnarfoz | start wow via a script that puts the one you want in place |
| 23:00.08 | Gnarfoz | so the right account name would be pre-selected |
| 23:00.14 | mckenziemc | i'm not sure that would work cleanly |
| 23:00.38 | Gnarfoz | it'd solve your predicament ;) |
| 23:00.43 | mckenziemc | no, it wouldn't |
| 23:00.54 | mckenziemc | it would solve more than half but not all of the cases |
| 23:01.00 | Gnarfoz | why, because you're then going to start wow through the wrong shortcut? |
| 23:01.07 | mckenziemc | no |
| 23:01.53 | mckenziemc | because i sometimes open multiple wow windows at once, then change the accounts, or go out to the login screen intending to switch accounts |
| 23:02.15 | mckenziemc | it also would not save settings changes unless it was complex |
| 23:02.38 | Gnarfoz | it would save them, it's just that the last client to close would win ;) |
| 23:03.02 | mckenziemc | not if the login script is simple, and thus overwrites that file |
| 23:03.41 | Gnarfoz | so you're changing wow settings all the time? |
| 23:03.52 | Gnarfoz | whatever |
| 23:03.57 | mckenziemc | pretty frequently yes |
| 23:04.26 | mckenziemc | not when i have no account paid though, which is why i haven't been using/ worked on my launcher script |
| 23:04.33 | mckenziemc | when i have only one account paid* |
| 23:09.48 | Adys | anyone here worked with oauth before? |
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