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| 00:16.33 | Jamash | I wouldn't recommend uninstalling avg because it interferes with wow, but I would recommend uninstalling avg because it's annoying and intrusive |
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| 00:19.59 | the-golem | lol |
| 00:20.21 | Shirik | :/ |
| 00:21.19 | Vladinator | "Message: Interface\FrameXML\UIDropDownMenu.lua:1019: attempt to concatenate global 'UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_LEVEL' (a userdata value)" |
| 00:21.24 | Vladinator | error came out from nowhere >.< |
| 00:21.33 | Dagmar | Comodo. Whitelist. Install. LOL. Forget. |
| 00:21.43 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.45 | TC-Work | Comodo >.< |
| 00:22.15 | Jamash | I use MSE because windows is a terrible OS so I figure only MS knows how to integrate stuff into it without breaking everything |
| 00:22.28 | Jamash | this seems to be borne out by experience |
| 00:24.14 | Esamynn|work | Vladinator: I've heard reports of errors like that |
| 00:24.35 | Esamynn|work | but never from the default UI, and I haven't seen one myself yet |
| 00:24.48 | Vladinator | also when units leave in combat the default UI bugs out, the unit remains on screen and you can mouseover it for an error "Message: Interface\FrameXML\UnitFrame.lua:224: Usage: GameTooltip:SetUnit("unit"[, hideStatus])" :P |
| 00:25.02 | Vladinator | my map and party/raid frames are default |
| 00:25.37 | Jamash | if you're getting an error that seems to be from the default UI with *any* addons enabled you can't be sure it's actually the default UI |
| 00:25.54 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 00:25.54 | Vladinator | ye |
| 00:25.54 | Jamash | taint gets everywhere |
| 00:26.05 | Semlar | it's almost definitely an addon |
| 00:26.06 | Jamash | ~tainted |
| 00:26.06 | purl | SUBMIT YOURSELF TO THE TAINT! |
| 00:26.10 | Jamash | thanks purl |
| 00:26.26 | Esamynn|work | well, the contatenation one, maybe not |
| 00:26.41 | Esamynn|work | s/contatenation/concatenation/ |
| 00:27.13 | Vladinator | http://pastebin.com/bMKru7ea |
| 00:27.22 | Vladinator | dropdownmenu ;D |
| 00:27.26 | Esamynn|work | That one interest me because I've been trying to trace down a pattern for a particular set of errors that I've seen reports of in 5.0 |
| 00:27.26 | Vladinator | on the map |
| 00:27.34 | Esamynn|work | wait |
| 00:27.35 | Esamynn|work | the MAP? |
| 00:27.38 | Vladinator | yes |
| 00:27.38 | Vladinator | :D |
| 00:27.46 | Vladinator | when I open my map I get that error :3 |
| 00:27.48 | Esamynn|work | ok, that's three seperate sources |
| 00:27.53 | Vladinator | (in combat) |
| 00:27.53 | Esamynn|work | all related to the world map |
| 00:28.03 | Jamash | oh uidropdownmenu, will you ever work properly? (spoiler: no) |
| 00:28.07 | Vladinator | :D |
| 00:28.10 | Esamynn|work | lol |
| 00:28.19 | Vladinator | question |
| 00:28.26 | Vladinator | can't we use DropDownLib-1.0 ? :P |
| 00:28.26 | Esamynn|work | I don't know that combat has anything to do with it... but maybe |
| 00:28.31 | Vladinator | and avoid tainting the default dropdowns :P |
| 00:28.56 | Vladinator | don't see how we can have problems with dropdowns if we avoid using blizzard code |
| 00:29.12 | foxlit | lol. |
| 00:29.28 | Jamash | it's not a bad idea frankly |
| 00:29.41 | Jamash | never touch the blizzard one, keep it untainted |
| 00:29.46 | foxlit | (sec, setting up a quote) |
| 00:29.53 | Vladinator | if there is a small lib that makes it easy or easier to make dropdowns, I'd gladly use it in my mods that use dropdowns |
| 00:30.08 | foxlit | Everything the light touches.... wait, that's not it |
| 00:30.18 | foxlit | "We are all connected in the great circle of Taint" |
| 00:30.18 | Jamash | you could just make a second copy of the blizzard dropdown code |
| 00:30.26 | Vladinator | :P |
| 00:30.39 | foxlit | you could just make a second copy of blizzard everything |
| 00:30.47 | foxlit | then you'd finally be free of it! |
| 00:30.49 | Jamash | yeah but not all blizzard code taints everything |
| 00:30.58 | Jamash | uidropdownmenu does |
| 00:31.18 | Vladinator | I bet if we use our own dropdown menus, it will still error with taint saying "why aren't you using me? don't you like me?" |
| 00:31.21 | foxlit | as usual, if you have any details, I welcome a forum post :) |
| 00:31.46 | foxlit | but okay, say you get rid of all of your own calls to UIDDM |
| 00:32.04 | foxlit | as long as you in any other way taint ay of the FrameXML execution paths that use a dropdown, you're still screwed. |
| 00:32.13 | Jamash | oh well |
| 00:32.17 | Jamash | it was nice while it lasted |
| 00:32.31 | Vladinator | you mean if I taint something else used by framexml it will carry down to dropdowns too? :/ |
| 00:32.38 | foxlit | yes. |
| 00:32.48 | Jamash | that's how taint works, yes |
| 00:32.59 | Vladinator | -_- |
| 00:33.03 | Jamash | think about it as being like the zombie virus |
| 00:33.05 | Esamynn|work | taint is like the GPL ;) |
| 00:33.18 | Vladinator | how does raid frames work without breaking then? :P |
| 00:33.19 | Jamash | if someone gets contaminated then everyone they touch also gets contaminated |
| 00:33.23 | Vladinator | because of the secure handlers? |
| 00:33.24 | Jamash | it doesn't |
| 00:33.27 | Jamash | badum tish |
| 00:33.36 | Esamynn|work | ~cheeseslap Jamash |
| 00:33.37 | purl | ACTION slaps Jamash around with a slice of emmenthaler |
| 00:33.43 | Jamash | mmm, cheese |
| 00:34.25 | Jamash | oh god, I just had the worst idea: secureuidropdownhandler |
| 00:34.49 | Vladinator | yeah |
| 00:34.52 | pompy | AntiSec apparently "at it again" |
| 00:34.58 | Vladinator | not bad if they prevent taint from breaking it |
| 00:35.07 | Vladinator | but they still gotta fix the weapon enchant bug they got tbh :P with auras |
| 00:36.48 | Neffi | If you were to develop or use a library for drawing graphs, what uncommon types of graphs/plots/charts should it have? |
| 00:37.40 | Neffi | Also, it might be able to render mathematical formulae too. Any other related things it should do along those lines? |
| 00:38.18 | pompy | Neffi: http://www.wowace.com/addons/libgraph-2-0/ |
| 00:38.31 | Neffi | Assume it takes that approach even further |
| 00:38.49 | Jamash | It should have a complete opentype renderer |
| 00:38.54 | Jamash | and support svg |
| 00:39.03 | Jamash | </trollhat> |
| 00:39.07 | Neffi | If only |
| 00:39.23 | Neffi | (Though I did seriously consider making a font renderer once, because WoW's so bad at it.) |
| 00:39.27 | foxlit | is typesetting math in HTML still a failed cause? |
| 00:39.38 | Jamash | you mean mathml? |
| 00:39.53 | foxlit | using any technology short of embedding a PDF with TeX output |
| 00:40.28 | Neffi | foxlit: MathML? Doesn't HTML5 stipulate MathML support? |
| 00:40.58 | foxlit | is there an example of that in action somewhere? I might just be mad enough to use HTML for a presentation |
| 00:41.28 | foxlit | as opposed to the usual beamer slides. But I need decent formula typesetting :( |
| 00:41.30 | Neffi | According to Wikipedia, Webkit/Presto/Gecko will all support inline MathML in HTML5. Not sure about IE9+. |
| 00:42.06 | Neffi | via the <math> tag, wherein MathML is directly inlined as if it were HTML |
| 00:42.38 | Jamash | you can use mathml on wikipedia |
| 00:42.56 | foxlit | I thought wikipedia used tex? |
| 00:43.02 | Neffi | There's GOT to be a Javascript library out there for on-the-fly compatibility. |
| 00:43.03 | Jamash | in the source, yeah |
| 00:43.13 | Neffi | ie it'll render MathML for you when the browser doesn't |
| 00:43.21 | Jamash | mathjax |
| 00:43.38 | foxlit | https://www.eyeasme.com/Joe/MathML/MathML_browser_test |
| 00:43.38 | Jamash | http://www.mathjax.org/ |
| 00:44.20 | Neffi | That looks beautiful on Chrome |
| 00:44.25 | foxlit | hm, selection bugs |
| 00:44.30 | Neffi | Maybe I'm just a nerd, but I love well rendered math formulae |
| 00:45.11 | mckenziemc | maybe? |
| 00:45.14 | Neffi | Oh shit, I didn't notice the headings. The browser renderings are on the right. |
| 00:45.18 | Neffi | They're actually terrible |
| 00:45.20 | Jamash | you'll never be able to select 2d text properly in a web browser until they implement box select |
| 00:45.22 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/i/chr.png << chrome eats part of the glyph |
| 00:45.26 | Neffi | In fact, beyond terrible. |
| 00:45.45 | Jamash | oddly enough, firefox renders it much like the firefox render image |
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| 00:46.30 | Neffi | Where is the API for LibGraph-2.0? |
| 00:46.44 | Jamash | chrome fails ultrahard |
| 00:46.57 | pompy | Neffi: in its lua file :) |
| 00:47.29 | Neffi | Also, LibGraph implements 4 types (or is realtime just a bar graph? then 3). I've got 12 types to implement written down, and several variations on each |
| 00:48.12 | Kaylin | it that supposed to be a contour integral? what is it supposed to be? |
| 00:48.13 | Neffi | Plus doing graphs from scratch is something I've never done before, so it's a nice learning experience. |
| 00:48.18 | pompy | recount uses it! |
| 00:48.19 | Shirik | o.O |
| 00:48.25 | Shirik | WMF is suing |
| 00:48.29 | Kaylin | the symbol |
| 00:48.39 | pompy | wmf? |
| 00:48.44 | Shirik | http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf |
| 00:48.52 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28miscellaneous%29#Wikimedia_Foundation_seeks_declaratory_relief_in_response_to_legal_threats_from_Internet_Brands |
| 00:49.23 | Neffi | I know Recount uses it. I'm going to be developing my own thorough script profiler and code/object inspector that will use things LibGraph doesn't support. Also, it will provide me with more ways to represent data in the DPS/combat meter I eventually plan to make, which will also do more than Recount. |
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| 00:50.48 | Vladinator | I am curious, why do more and more errors appear, what do they do to the game? |
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| 00:51.06 | Vladinator | do they make it better like this or? :P |
| 00:51.47 | Neffi | I heard through the grapevine that WoW got some new programmers. I guess they're not used to the system enough, and made a bunch of mistakes C-side. |
| 00:52.32 | Dagmar | shirik: Ooo... good for them |
| 00:52.38 | Neffi | through the grapevine -> rumor based on guess based on the structure of the 4.X->5.0 diff. I forgot why somebody said there's probably new programmers, but it was apparent that something was different. |
| 00:52.52 | Neffi | I don't remember any details |
| 00:53.05 | Vladinator | I mean why have dropdown on my map get easier brokenwith some taint now, than it was before? :P |
| 00:53.31 | Vladinator | how does that improve the game? haven't seen much cheating or exploits with dropdowns to see why they'd make dropdown more sensitive to tempering ;3 |
| 00:54.04 | Neffi | It's not like it was a conscious choice. The only way to make a dropdown that's not sensitive to tampering is through a secure template system, which takes a lot of time. |
| 00:54.27 | Neffi | Even the aura template system was contributed by somebody here, not by Blizz programmers |
| 00:54.31 | Vladinator | considering the bug with temp weapon enchant is STILL here |
| 00:54.37 | Vladinator | I doubt they got time for anything important ;D |
| 00:54.41 | Neffi | Maybe if a trusted dev were to do the work for them and contribute it, they might accept it |
| 00:54.44 | Vladinator | only new shiny UI dialogs :3 |
| 00:54.52 | Shadowed | The mistake you're making is that you think Blizzard cares about things like dropdowns related tainting |
| 00:55.02 | Shadowed | if it broke their own UI, they would redo it |
| 00:55.22 | Vladinator | don't the devs use any addons in their spare time? ;p |
| 00:55.26 | Jamash | if the default UI works, any problems that Addon authors face are up to them to deal with |
| 00:55.30 | Vladinator | I am sure they get annoyed at dropdown issues too |
| 00:55.32 | Shadowed | what Jamash said |
| 00:55.36 | mckenziemc | the default UI doesn't work :< |
| 00:55.38 | Jamash | addons are neither recommended nor supported by blizzard |
| 00:55.55 | Jamash | anything we get from them is basically a favor |
| 00:56.02 | Shadowed | yup |
| 00:56.20 | Vladinator | not quite, if they had no addon policy I'd stop playing the game loong ago, I am sure many of us would too :P |
| 00:56.28 | Vladinator | addons is the only thing kind of making it interesting nowadays ^^ |
| 00:56.35 | Vladinator | so in a way they do themselves a favor :P |
| 00:56.40 | Jamash | I didn't say they don't give us anything, just that they don't *owe* us anything |
| 00:57.02 | Vladinator | but I am sure the programmers also play the game with addons and that they notice these issues themselves. |
| 00:57.16 | Vladinator | if I was one Id be annoyed and fix it :p regardless if I get paid! |
| 00:57.18 | Neffi | I've often thought about how WoW would have developed over time if Slouken had never given us the capability for addons in the first place. |
| 00:57.18 | Jamash | sure, but it's the addon author's responsibility to work around issues |
| 00:57.37 | Shadowed | That's irrelevant, thinking it's an issue and having the time to fix it are two different things. |
| 00:57.41 | Neffi | I'm not sure it would have a big impact on the subscription base, but it would have a big impact on the player base and how they play |
| 00:58.01 | Neffi | Well Vlad, when they go into work they've got a job to do. When they're home, they got a game to play. |
| 00:58.05 | Jamash | a lot of more hardcore players would probably quit |
| 00:58.10 | Vladinator | I got the impression a lot play because they can customize their UI, don't know. |
| 00:58.22 | Neffi | I wouldn't be surprised if some addon devs around were actually WoW programmers. But we'll never know that. |
| 00:58.38 | Jamash | I'd be astonished if any addon dev was a blizzard employee |
| 00:58.50 | foxlit | they must never... never know... Jamash's secret. |
| 00:58.58 | Neffi | Well the capability has certainly made WoW *far* more appealing than other MMOs to me, but it's ultimately the polish of the game and the PvP system that keeps me playing |
| 00:59.14 | Dagmar | I like the suffering. |
| 00:59.15 | Neffi | I'd be astonished if there wasn't at least 1 addon dev that's a Blizz employee |
| 00:59.19 | Jamash | that I'm actually a soviet moon probe that gained sentience? |
| 00:59.21 | Neffi | Even if JUST one |
| 00:59.22 | Jamash | damn it |
| 00:59.28 | Vladinator | I am sure he can't say it, he probably signed his contract in blood :P if he squeels, his family gets it! |
| 00:59.32 | Jamash | well that's out of the bag |
| 00:59.34 | Dagmar | It is the plaintive cries of the children that keep me playing. |
| 00:59.48 | foxlit | But anyway, if you have dropdown issues: |
| 00:59.53 | Jamash | I feel sorry for you son |
| 01:00.02 | Jamash | I got 99 problems but taint ain't one |
| 01:00.06 | foxlit | Get off your ass, and find out exactly what's causing them. |
| 01:00.25 | Jamash | http://www.wowpedia.org/CVar_taintLog |
| 01:00.39 | Neffi | I doubt if Blizz treats them like CIA employees. If I were a WoW programmer, I wouldn't say a word to the community simply because I'll constantly be getting asked questions about this and that, asked to reveal details, asked to implement this or fix that, etc. |
| 01:01.05 | Jamash | slouken released a couple of addons while working at blizz so I don't know why they'd keep it a secret |
| 01:01.13 | Vladinator | LOL |
| 01:01.14 | foxlit | while taint log may occasionally be helpful, it most of the time won't tell you what, why, or how. |
| 01:01.20 | Mr_Rabies | O_o that was weird |
| 01:01.21 | Vladinator | with taintlog enabled, each time I open the map it uses 10 sec to open it ;D |
| 01:01.29 | Jamash | this does not surprise me |
| 01:01.30 | Mr_Rabies | i just had to reaccept the eula |
| 01:01.37 | Neffi | Slouken was also extremely open to helping the community. He even used to post on the forums very often, helping out authors and sometimes users. |
| 01:01.46 | Jamash | submit yourself to the end user license agreement |
| 01:01.47 | Neffi | Slouken liked helping us. That's what made him so amazing. |
| 01:01.50 | Vladinator | Astrolabe taints my map |
| 01:01.51 | Vladinator | :P |
| 01:01.55 | Jamash | shocking |
| 01:02.00 | Vladinator | seems like a SetMapToCurrentZone loop |
| 01:02.00 | Jamash | I am shocked |
| 01:02.04 | Mr_Rabies | oh god i'm getting spammed with cam clarke voice acting |
| 01:02.05 | Mr_Rabies | help |
| 01:02.09 | Jamash | who? |
| 01:02.16 | Mr_Rabies | i login and like 5 of his lines in dal are spamming at the same time |
| 01:02.32 | Vladinator | taintlog is useless, tells me the addon but not where in it or anything :P |
| 01:02.42 | Jamash | I've never used it |
| 01:02.44 | Jamash | :P |
| 01:02.48 | Neffi | Vladinator: You used to have to SetMapToCurrentZone on world map close or else coords would get stuck. You don't have to anymore, so it's probably legacy code that can be removed. |
| 01:02.52 | pompy | what use is findglobals, exactly? heh |
| 01:03.16 | Neffi | what is findglobals? |
| 01:03.39 | Vladinator | think it's my QuestPointer addon :( |
| 01:03.50 | Vladinator | why didn't blizzard already implement this in the default UI? |
| 01:03.52 | pompy | http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ |
| 01:03.58 | Mr_Rabies | yeah taintlog is pretty much destroyed |
| 01:04.00 | Vladinator | also why don't we see blobs and areas on the world map? only zome map... |
| 01:04.05 | Mr_Rabies | what does questpointer do, vlad? |
| 01:04.12 | Mr_Rabies | you do, you just gotta check it in tracking |
| 01:04.16 | Vladinator | it makes the circles on the map show in the minimap |
| 01:04.16 | Kemayo | Points to quests. |
| 01:04.20 | Kemayo | Duh. :D |
| 01:04.23 | Vladinator | so its easier to see when you are "on" the circle thingy :P |
| 01:04.28 | Mr_Rabies | "Track quest POIs" |
| 01:04.29 | Vladinator | also has pointers yes |
| 01:04.42 | Vladinator | very basic but handy when you gotta loot some item on the ground, helps find it easier. |
| 01:04.50 | Neffi | pompy: He claims (micro-)optimization, but it's pretty important to check for accidental globals. The recent glyph UI taint was caused by addons accidentally globaling `_`. |
| 01:05.26 | Neffi | I run everything I write through Luac to check for any {G,S}ETGLOBAL instance outside of the main body. |
| 01:05.48 | Neffi | It's saved countless bugs, some of which would have never been apparent until just the right something broke |
| 01:06.26 | Vladinator | blizzard should have made quests to show on the world map too, not only zone level -_- |
| 01:06.44 | Vladinator | makes it a bit easier to find where to go when a quests is out of your zone |
| 01:07.01 | Vladinator | also, minimap to show the same blobs and not only the blue marked areas. |
| 01:07.33 | Jamash | "local _G=_G" speds up global function access? good grief |
| 01:07.49 | Vladinator | btw, it says "Global variable WATCHFRAME_NUM_POPUPS tainted by ..." but there are NO references to that variable in the addon LOL |
| 01:07.51 | Neffi | very slightly |
| 01:07.52 | Vladinator | explain that? |
| 01:08.02 | Neffi | I am |
| 01:08.07 | foxlit | you tainted an execution path |
| 01:08.11 | foxlit | execution path tainted the global |
| 01:08.13 | foxlit | done. |
| 01:08.17 | nebula169 | its one table lookup instead of two! |
| 01:08.18 | Vladinator | so telling me this information helps me how? :P |
| 01:08.22 | Neffi | Accessing a global is: check environment table, index that table. Accessing _G[...] is just indexing it directly. |
| 01:08.30 | Neffi | Lua needs to check the environment because it might not be _G |
| 01:08.31 | Shirik | Neffi no, it does not |
| 01:08.35 | foxlit | oh, nothing helps you, Vladinator. |
| 01:08.39 | Shirik | unless you actually use _G |
| 01:08.39 | Vladinator | :P |
| 01:08.49 | foxlit | but it may occasionally be useful anyway. |
| 01:08.54 | Neffi | Shirik: What? |
| 01:09.04 | Shirik | Global lookups become GETGLOBAL opcodes |
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| 01:09.10 | Shirik | the concept of a local _G disappears at compile time |
| 01:09.17 | Shirik | GETGLOBAL does not use _G it looks up the global environment table |
| 01:09.24 | Shirik | making a local copy of it does not cause GETGLOBAL to use the "local _G" |
| 01:09.27 | Neffi | And then indexes that table |
| 01:09.31 | Shirik | you would have to explicitly index into _G yourself |
| 01:09.49 | Shirik | but by that point you might as well just not have done it in the first place |
| 01:10.24 | Neffi | Is that a special case in the source? |
| 01:10.26 | Shirik | `local _G = _G` and `local jkasdjasdlf = _G` will create the exact same code |
| 01:10.38 | Shirik | locals do not actually "exist" they are just a stack index |
| 01:10.40 | Neffi | GETGLOBAL -> find environment, index `key`. |
| 01:10.52 | Neffi | It's not using the index opcode, but it's still doing it internally |
| 01:11.05 | Shirik | yes, but creating a local _G does not change how GETGLOBAL works at all |
| 01:11.25 | Neffi | Which means `local s=_G.key` will be faster than `local s=key`, even if only by such a small amount as to not matter |
| 01:11.32 | Neffi | I never meant to imply that |
| 01:11.37 | Shirik | THIS is true |
| 01:11.38 | Neffi | But it's useful to clarify |
| 01:11.48 | Vladinator | but if I do it at addon load or as the code is read, while running it won't be noticable at all :P |
| 01:11.51 | Shirik | but only if you're using it outside of a function |
| 01:11.57 | Shirik | if it's inside a function, you're just making things worse |
| 01:12.10 | Shirik | because then you don't actually have a local anymore |
| 01:12.44 | Neffi | Vladinator: I still do local cached copies because I got used to doing it from when everyone in the Ace community was telling people it was faster. But realistically, it's totally pointless to treat globals differently. |
| 01:12.46 | Neffi | Just access them |
| 01:13.00 | Neffi | The only exception is in code that runs a lot. Like doing many iterations every OnUpdate |
| 01:13.01 | foxlit | "Neffi: Which means `local s=_G.key` will be faster than `local s=key`, even if only by such a small amount as to not matter" << bs. |
| 01:13.12 | Vladinator | I agree. |
| 01:13.21 | Neffi | foxlit: Elaborate |
| 01:13.24 | foxlit | local s = key is actually faster, go benchmark it. |
| 01:13.26 | Vladinator | Neffi: I agree. but no point doing that inside functions or outside the "root" imo ^^ |
| 01:13.47 | Neffi | foxlit: I was including `local s=` to signify that ACCESSING it is faster |
| 01:13.54 | Neffi | To give contect to the operating |
| 01:14.07 | Shirik | `local s=` does nothing anyway, so that's beside the point |
| 01:14.20 | foxlit | Neffi: your last two lines made no sense for me. Rephrase, please. |
| 01:15.05 | Neffi | foxlit: If I has said `_G.key` is faster than `key` it wouldn't have made much sense. I wanted to signify that *accessing* `_G.key` was faster. |
| 01:15.19 | Jamash | http://www.wowace.com/addons/findglobals/ is what I was quoting |
| 01:15.32 | Jamash | Put a "local _G=_G" at the top of the file, and then access them through _G.SomeFunc, etc. This is actually somewhat faster than accessing them directly, believe it or not. (Direct global access involves looking up the global variable table first!) |
| 01:15.48 | Neffi | Jamash: That line is either misleading or wrong though |
| 01:15.55 | Jamash | shrugs |
| 01:15.55 | Neffi | Because upvalues take slightly longer to access |
| 01:16.13 | Neffi | So if you're going through several levels of upvalues, it might end up being slower |
| 01:16.13 | Jamash | I don't bother with that kind of optimization at all |
| 01:16.27 | foxlit | Neffi: when you say "accessing" _G.key, what do you actually mean? |
| 01:16.35 | Shirik | there is no such thing as "levels of upvalues" |
| 01:16.41 | Neffi | There's not? |
| 01:16.52 | Shirik | each closure has its own upvalues, that's it |
| 01:17.02 | Neffi | Ah that actually makes sense |
| 01:17.08 | Neffi | foxlit: one sec |
| 01:17.23 | Kemayo | Vladinator: I went ahead and updated Astrolabe in QuestPonter, so tell me if that helps. |
| 01:17.29 | Vladinator | :D |
| 01:17.34 | Vladinator | you commented out those setmap? ;P |
| 01:17.42 | Neffi | lua> _VERSION |
| 01:17.43 | lua_bot | Neffi: Lua 5.1 |
| 01:18.04 | foxlit | I'll also accept an answer in terms of a local t = os.clock() for i=1,10000, do ... end print(os.clock()-t) loop illustrating what you claim should be faster than what, if that's any easier. |
| 01:18.13 | Vladinator | you updated questpointer or the library only, Kemayo? |
| 01:18.21 | Neffi | foxlit: http://pastebin.com/Tt2n3fFa |
| 01:18.34 | Vladinator | ah I see :P lol |
| 01:18.52 | Vladinator | btw the curse.com site shows the 4.2 version of the addon, not the alphas/betas ;) fyi |
| 01:18.52 | Neffi | Do a shitload of iterations and it will be. os.time() is too low resolution. Use debugprofilestart/stop. |
| 01:19.21 | Shirik | os.clock() |
| 01:19.31 | foxlit | lua> local t, _G = os.clock(), _G for i=1,100000 do local i = _G.foo end print(os.clock()-t) for i=1,100000 do local i = foo end print(os.clock()-t) |
| 01:19.31 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.01, 0.01 |
| 01:19.37 | Vladinator | Kemayo: I still see "SetMapToCurrentZone" |
| 01:19.48 | foxlit | lua> local t, _G = os.clock(), _G for i=1,10000000 do local i = _G.foo end print(os.clock()-t) for i=1,10000000 do local i = foo end print(os.clock()-t) |
| 01:19.49 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.39, 0.77 |
| 01:20.04 | Vladinator | ah not accepted yet probably |
| 01:20.11 | foxlit | lua> local t, _G = os.clock(), _G for i=1,10000000 do local i = _G.foo end print(os.clock()-t) t = os.clock() for i=1,10000000 do local i = foo end print(os.clock()-t) |
| 01:20.12 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0.39, 0.4 |
| 01:20.16 | Vladinator | nvm nvm I am messing up :P |
| 01:20.33 | Neffi | And you see how slight the effect is, which qualifies why I said it's so little as to not be worth it |
| 01:20.46 | Neffi | local t, _G = os.clock(), _G for i=1,10000000 do local i = _G.foo end print(os.clock()-t) t = os.clock() for i=1,10000000000 do local i = foo end print(os.clock()-t) |
| 01:20.49 | Neffi | woops |
| 01:20.51 | Jamash | you're probably not executing any of these code paths a million times |
| 01:20.52 | Neffi | lua> local t, _G = os.clock(), _G for i=1,10000000 do local i = _G.foo end print(os.clock()-t) t = os.clock() for i=1,10000000000 do local i = foo end print(os.clock()-t) |
| 01:20.57 | lua_bot | Neffi: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 01:20.58 | foxlit | http://pastebin.com/f8KkYdRR |
| 01:20.59 | Neffi | dammit |
| 01:21.04 | foxlit | my interpreter consistently disagrees with the bot |
| 01:21.05 | Neffi | you get the point |
| 01:21.22 | Shirik | foxlit: I don't really consider your test fair honestly |
| 01:21.22 | Jamash | do it in wow if you want meaningful numbers |
| 01:21.33 | foxlit | considering the two-decimal point round off, I'm more inclined to believe it. |
| 01:22.03 | Neffi | foxlit, that is very strange. |
| 01:22.13 | Shirik | http://pastebin.com/2sX3d4d8 |
| 01:22.18 | Shirik | subject to margin of error |
| 01:22.19 | Neffi | Anyway, in Lua 5.2 this whole idea because a little defunct, because there is no longer a GETGLOBAL opcode |
| 01:22.27 | Vladinator | Kemayo: why does Astro use SetMapToCurrentZone btw? |
| 01:23.00 | Neffi | Global access is literally translated to "_ENV.key". And no more set/getfenv, because the environment is an upvalue called "_ENV", which is by default set to _G. |
| 01:23.17 | foxlit | Shirik: 3.826989 vs 3.972341 for me |
| 01:23.43 | Jamash | I apologize for raising the issue |
| 01:23.51 | Shirik | tbh this is an area where we shouldn't even be discussing this |
| 01:24.01 | Jamash | yeah let's drop it |
| 01:24.12 | Shirik | someone who thinks this is a good idea probably has places where his algorithmic complexity is O(n^4) |
| 01:24.37 | Shirik | it is not worth it |
| 01:24.43 | Neffi | O(n^n) or bust |
| 01:24.58 | Shirik | now if you want to talk about something useful |
| 01:25.18 | Neffi | How about the merit of adding GOTO statements to Lua 5.2? (trollface) |
| 01:25.20 | Shirik | let's talk about the GETVARARG opcode |
| 01:25.25 | Xinhuan | i ran shirik's code each twice on my interpreter, i got 3.52 and 3.579 for the first, and 3.565, 3.539 for the second |
| 01:25.40 | Shirik | Xinhuan: And this is why I love working in an RTOS world |
| 01:25.47 | Xinhuan | lool |
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| 01:27.35 | Kaylin | why don't you run it about 50 times, divide each result by ten million and then take a chi squared distribution of that? |
| 01:27.36 | Neffi | lua> (function(...) print(tostring(arg)) end)(true,1,nil) |
| 01:27.36 | lua_bot | Neffi: table: 0x86e0af0 |
| 01:27.43 | Neffi | wow they still do the arg table |
| 01:28.30 | Kaylin | (the answer is because nobody cares that much I suspect) |
| 01:28.32 | Shirik | tbh it's better than the hack that's in there now |
| 01:28.39 | Shirik | Kaylin: I love statistics! |
| 01:28.41 | Xinhuan | because Kaylin, if i wanted to do that, i would just run the loop 50x longer :P |
| 01:28.47 | Shirik | ^ |
| 01:28.53 | Xinhuan | not run the loop 50 times |
| 01:28.55 | Kaylin | that tells you nothing useful |
| 01:29.05 | Jamash | if I turn taintlog 1 on and it doesn't make a taint.log does that mean my addon is not causing any taint? |
| 01:29.15 | Shirik | I think that's impossible |
| 01:29.19 | Xinhuan | your addon always causes taint :P |
| 01:29.22 | mckenziemc | it means you tainted the taintlog |
| 01:29.25 | Shirik | unless it doesn't do anything |
| 01:29.32 | Shirik | like literally it's an empty file |
| 01:29.33 | Neffi | Jamash: Reload after turning taintlog on, then reload again to have taint.log actually written to disk |
| 01:29.52 | Jamash | I logged out then back in then out again |
| 01:29.55 | Neffi | WoW doesn't write any UI related stuff out until a reload/unload |
| 01:30.03 | Neffi | Folder permissions or UAC moving it? |
| 01:30.06 | Shirik | that's not true! |
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| 01:30.18 | Shirik | A while back I proved a vulnerability using the taint log |
| 01:30.22 | Jamash | heh |
| 01:30.25 | Shirik | I think they fixed it by making the buffer huge though |
| 01:30.46 | Neffi | Regarding our earlier debate, I think Shirik is a Blizz employee for WoW |
| 01:30.52 | Neffi | s/debate/conversation |
| 01:31.02 | Neffi | =P |
| 01:31.05 | Shirik | If that happened i'm pretty sure you'd all be screwed |
| 01:31.06 | Kemayo | Vladinator: Alas, I don't know about the Astrolabe internals. I'm just using it in Questpointer because it makes adding map icons ridiculously easy. |
| 01:31.15 | mckenziemc | Neffi: Shirik is a bot |
| 01:31.33 | Neffi | Clearly a bot who regularly disassembles WoW and analyzes it |
| 01:32.03 | Neffi | Also, Shirik, details on this vulnerability? Forum post or anything? I'm curious |
| 01:32.15 | Shirik | I forget if I ever posted it publically |
| 01:32.16 | Jamash | shirik makes airplane firmware |
| 01:32.18 | Shirik | it should be safe to post now |
| 01:32.19 | Shirik | let me find it |
| 01:32.33 | Kaylin | in Ada? |
| 01:32.39 | Neffi | Jamash: I will never fly again lol |
| 01:33.03 | Kaylin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_%28programming_language%29 |
| 01:33.23 | Neffi | "(Robotic voice): A Neffi has been detected on board. Performing force-crash autocontrol." |
| 01:33.44 | Shirik | actually |
| 01:33.53 | Shirik | what I'm working on right now is in fact intentional crashing |
| 01:34.00 | Shirik | but don't worry I work on unmanned aircraft |
| 01:34.11 | Neffi | Wow, you actually do make that stuff? That's pretty cool |
| 01:34.11 | Jamash | still no taint log :/ |
| 01:34.13 | mckenziemc | kamikaze drones? |
| 01:34.32 | Kaylin | viruses to take out enemy planes? software to crash the plane safely in event it needs to? |
| 01:34.43 | Xinhuan | are you at the mars curiosity rover level of unmanned aircraft yet? :P |
| 01:35.05 | Xinhuan | does sending remote controlled commands to it still make it unmanned? |
| 01:35.16 | Shirik | I work on fault detection, isolation, and recovery. In an unrecoverable situation where its flight path is unpredictable, we don't want to violate airspace, so we get it down asap, basically |
| 01:35.31 | Kaylin | so 2nd one. |
| 01:35.38 | Kaylin | sort of |
| 01:35.43 | Xinhuan | oh |
| 01:35.44 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 01:35.48 | Xinhuan | different interpretation |
| 01:35.49 | Neffi | Crash-landing type "get it down" or potentially hit into a mountain? |
| 01:36.04 | Kaylin | no more like oh god we can't have a baby right now. |
| 01:36.18 | mckenziemc | o.O |
| 01:36.31 | Shirik | Neffi: We don't know where we are. Crash landing is not really an option. |
| 01:36.37 | Neffi | haha |
| 01:36.41 | Shirik | It's literally "secure erase everything and nosedive" |
| 01:36.48 | Shirik | well not exactly nosedive |
| 01:36.55 | Shirik | because it goes in a spiral |
| 01:37.01 | Kaylin | howto:make a big fireball not near people. |
| 01:38.41 | Vladinator | the error when I open the map is weird, this one: http://pastebin.com/DDNj15Pk |
| 01:38.51 | Shirik | also |
| 01:38.52 | Vladinator | it's my addon, but it also shows Astrolabe :/ |
| 01:38.53 | Shirik | this was not my fault |
| 01:39.07 | Shirik | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=888688030298&set=a.793325986598.2196893.39704112&type=1&theater |
| 01:39.27 | Neffi | Shirik: This content is not available |
| 01:39.35 | Shirik | fixed |
| 01:40.47 | Shirik | anyway, I like my job. When everything's working perfectly, my stuff never runs. And when shit hits the fan, I'm the one that gets to swoop in and be the hero. |
| 01:40.55 | Shirik | Also there's a lot of creative thinking about the combinations of things that can fail. |
| 01:41.28 | Jamash | what if it's flying upside down during a solar eclipse while pointing due magnetic south |
| 01:41.41 | Shirik | I think we handle flying upside down |
| 01:41.48 | Neffi | Have you considered the possibility that due to highly unlikely quantum phenomena, the place can suddenly teleport to the surface of Mars? |
| 01:41.53 | Neffi | Tht's pretty important dude |
| 01:42.11 | Jamash | mars doesn't have an oxygen atmosphere dude |
| 01:42.20 | Jamash | planes don't fly, period |
| 01:42.22 | Torhal | Kaylin: Strangely, your comments frighten me more than Neffi's do. |
| 01:42.29 | Kaylin | why so? |
| 01:42.52 | Neffi | Jamash: And then you'll ruin the beautiful scenic landscape of Mars by crashing on it |
| 01:43.05 | Jamash | like that hasn't already happened a couple dozen times |
| 01:43.12 | Neffi | lol |
| 01:43.43 | Shirik | I have no problems with this |
| 01:44.19 | Shirik | first flight to mars in under 24 hours |
| 01:44.23 | Shirik | history books |
| 01:44.31 | Kaylin | is worried people just hate chi-squared tests. |
| 01:44.41 | Jamash | Soviet Mars 2 crashed, Mars Climate Orbiter crashed, Mars Polar Lander crashed |
| 01:44.54 | Humbedooh | Kaylin: we loves them, when they prove us right |
| 01:45.07 | foxlit | 's statistics knowledge is severely lacking :( |
| 01:45.26 | Vladinator | my addon that uses IDropDownMenu_Initialize and ToggleDropDownMenu generates so much tiant the map freezes when I open it :P LOL |
| 01:45.32 | Vladinator | used UIDropDownMenuTemplate |
| 01:46.31 | Jamash | I still can't get a taint log to appear at all |
| 01:46.32 | Torhal | Kaylin: Just does. |
| 01:48.30 | Jamash | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/7157306/Heart_of_the_Swarm_Beta_Now_Live_-9_4_2012 |
| 01:48.33 | pompy | Shirik: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57505542/mars-rovers-twitter-is-brash-and-cheeky/ loll |
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| 01:51.19 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.58 | Vladinator | shapoopi |
| 01:52.03 | Semlar | shapoopi |
| 01:52.35 | Vladinator | Message: Interface\AddOns\OmniCC\effects\pulse.lua:84: script ran too long :D |
| 01:52.43 | Vladinator | all the effects _can_ get "ran too long" ;D |
| 01:53.09 | Semlar | ouch |
| 01:53.17 | Vladinator | its an weird error |
| 01:54.07 | Vladinator | it seems Bartender4 taints it that this error occurs, EVENT_TRACE_EVENT_HEIGHT tainted by Bartender4 |
| 01:55.29 | Vladinator | WatchFrame leaks a "_" :D |
| 01:55.35 | Semlar | events have heights? |
| 01:55.43 | Semlar | oh dear |
| 01:56.05 | Semlar | i leaked an underscore once, it wasn't pretty |
| 01:57.02 | Semlar | i should really upload a fix for that |
| 01:57.53 | Semlar | i owe it to the three and a half people who use it |
| 01:58.42 | pompy | Cairenn: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/05/13673985-deadly-shooting-mars-new-quebec-premiers-victory-rally :O |
| 01:59.35 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 02:00.16 | Arrowmaster | tonight seems to be a bad night for network television |
| 02:00.30 | Arrowmaster | two new shows got their pilots leaked |
| 02:01.01 | mckenziemc | took me a few seconds to parse that headline because of the typo >.> |
| 02:01.52 | Vladinator | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=xRi8maT6gQA&NR=1 :D |
| 02:01.53 | mckenziemc | nvm |
| 02:04.05 | Arrowmaster | clearly bathrobes now need to be banned |
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| 02:04.41 | Vladinator | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxEkwUMyDUc :P |
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| 02:09.27 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Which shows? |
| 02:10.06 | Arrowmaster | revolution and elementary |
| 02:10.23 | Torhal | Ah |
| 02:10.43 | Arrowmaster | first ones a web rip from somewhere, others a dvdscr |
| 02:11.41 | Vladinator | the new light engine broke vashjir caves, they are too dark :P |
| 02:12.15 | Vladinator | no light sources anymore. also, light seems weird when looking at 3d models in dressing room, light is from the one side making the other side dark in shadow :P |
| 02:13.21 | xyphoid | for a fun time take a flight path towards teldrassil with the sun behind it - you get god rays glaring through the mountain |
| 02:14.43 | Vladinator | (gotta use taintLog 2 to generate a log file btw, weird.) |
| 02:16.51 | Ackis | http://imgur.com/a/06hgu |
| 02:18.36 | Torhal | Vladinator: So they broke taintlog? |
| 02:18.38 | Torhal | Ugh. |
| 02:19.11 | Vladinator | my own addon is blamed for tainting questpoi and watchframe :( |
| 02:19.22 | Vladinator | but in the log it says QuestPointer is also to blame ;D |
| 02:19.47 | pompy | wishes this taint talk would end |
| 02:19.49 | pompy | :D |
| 02:20.00 | Vladinator | example http://pastebin.com/9sQNYC11 |
| 02:20.02 | Vladinator | :( |
| 02:20.12 | Vladinator | set the logging to 0 now :P ok |
| 02:20.19 | Vladinator | just annoying to see my addon blamed when I can't find the source lol |
| 02:20.58 | mckenziemc | taints pompy |
| 02:21.04 | pompy | its been like this for years that the addon mentioned is 99.9% of the time not hte culprit |
| 02:23.04 | Vladinator | not sure why the function SetMapToCurrentZone is also blamed -_- |
| 02:26.19 | Vladinator | my npcscan alert is the metal gear solid spotted sound :P |
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| 02:33.07 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/234290-the-problem-with-execute-pve-pov/ |
| 02:33.20 | Kraps | I DONT BELIEVE THIS GUY |
| 02:33.45 | Vladinator | bartender4, why does the default vehicle ui appear? :( |
| 02:33.56 | the-golem | its a setting |
| 02:33.58 | the-golem | turn it off |
| 02:34.33 | Vladinator | ah yeah I noticed |
| 02:34.42 | Vladinator | wasn't like that before :D |
| 02:34.47 | Vladinator | new feature |
| 02:35.28 | Vladinator | the MainMenuBarVehicleLeaveButton still appears |
| 02:35.42 | Vladinator | and the main bar spells are invisible |
| 02:35.47 | Vladinator | I guess it's a bit broken atm :P |
| 02:42.35 | Kraps | the eula has changed? |
| 02:43.02 | Vladinator | maybe for us |
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| 02:56.01 | pompy | Kraps: always shows it when theres a new patch |
| 02:56.22 | Shirik | I'll show you my eula |
| 02:57.01 | Thunder_Child | it's a short one |
| 02:57.21 | pompy | yours is even shorter! |
| 02:58.27 | Amarande | yay, I can finally now think towards things like playing wow |
| 02:59.14 | Amarande | I've also apparently learned a nasty truth about smartphones, which apparently may apply to both Android and iPhone |
| 03:00.18 | Motig | getting the same item 4 times in a row with archaeology is not fun.. |
| 03:00.19 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:00.24 | Torhal | commits suicide. |
| 03:00.39 | Torhal | cues for another rant. |
| 03:00.48 | Amarande | Motig, was it four canopic jars in a row without the recipe? :) |
| 03:01.03 | Shirik | canopic jar |
| 03:01.07 | Shirik | isn't that a card in ascension? |
| 03:01.18 | Motig | na some sword from the vrykul |
| 03:01.27 | Amarande | Torhal: nah, just a simple fact I learned after a day of wrassling with memtest86+ and Windows reinstalls |
| 03:01.56 | Amarande | Apparently, keeping your smartphone plugged into the USB can hose your Windows install. I am not exaggerating. :| |
| 03:02.24 | ccox | how do you figure? |
| 03:02.26 | pompy | why would you hve any peripherals pluggged in during an OS install? |
| 03:03.08 | Amarande | ccox: apparently, a surprisingly large number of smartphone models have problems with trying to draw too much power from the USB |
| 03:03.17 | ccox | true |
| 03:03.30 | ccox | but how does that affect the OS install? |
| 03:03.30 | Amarande | in turn, this can cause potentially severe issues during boot, for instance it's been known to cause Windows to think that ntfs.sys and/or ntoskrnl.exe are corrupt when they're OK |
| 03:03.47 | Amarande | ccox: generally after you install, you will be rebooting a fair number of times that day due to the large number of updates |
| 03:04.03 | Torhal | "Boot from SmartPhone" <-- when was this added? |
| 03:04.03 | Torhal | :D |
| 03:04.12 | pompy | iknorite |
| 03:04.17 | ccox | hmmm, sounds like the hardware safety features are a bit overprotective |
| 03:04.30 | Amarande | Torhal: I used to like to keep my Android hooked up to one of the billion USB ports my PC has, so I wouldn't need to take up one of the not-quite-billion wall plugs I have available with the charger device |
| 03:04.41 | ccox | they should shut down the port that's drawing too much current, not claim that the code is bad because a port draws too much |
| 03:05.04 | pompy | or dont have anything like that plugged into your comp while installing an OS! |
| 03:05.25 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: stock android will only draw 500mA from a USB connection |
| 03:05.26 | Amarande | Then I had to reinstall Windows because I got a new hard drive, and updating gave me many trips to the Startup Repair screen due to it thinking ntfs.sys was bad |
| 03:05.26 | Dagmar | If you have an unpowered bus, the PC should be aware of this and able to stop undercurrent activity |
| 03:05.37 | znf | ccox, +1 |
| 03:05.40 | Dagmar | Like, writing to a flash drive or SDcard with an unpowered port adapter is _risky_ |
| 03:05.47 | ccox | of course, as often as Windows updates, that means I should never, ever leave my phone plugged into my PC |
| 03:06.05 | znf | Arrowmaster, how sure are you about that? |
| 03:06.15 | znf | Arrowmaster, my CM9 draws 1A |
| 03:06.30 | Amarande | Then I got back from Dragon Con (having had the computer turned off that whole time) and tried to boot, and it insisted that this time ntoskrnl.exe was corrupt |
| 03:06.31 | Arrowmaster | fairly sure, theres a kernel modification you can enable to have it draw more from a USB port |
| 03:06.35 | Dagmar | Their baseline is probably the Xoom, which does not charge over USB |
| 03:06.44 | Dagmar | It only needs the .5a draw |
| 03:06.45 | Amarande | and proceeded to roll back the system so far that none of my applications were even installed |
| 03:06.51 | Arrowmaster | znf: CM should have that kernel modification |
| 03:07.02 | Arrowmaster | wait actually i think they removed it |
| 03:07.07 | kd3 | wait, wtf. how the hell... http://i.imgur.com/WEyRD.jpg |
| 03:07.10 | mckenziemc | Amarande: this is related to wow how? |
| 03:07.21 | Dagmar | Cuz the app is free now |
| 03:07.25 | Amarande | mckenziemc: because now that I've gotten my OS fixed and determined what hosed it before, I can actually PLAY WoW? |
| 03:07.30 | Dagmar | kd3: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE |
| 03:07.47 | znf | kd3, too much null in there |
| 03:07.50 | Dagmar | kd3: I'll betcha /dev/null is no longer a device |
| 03:07.59 | kd3 | that'd be my assumption too |
| 03:08.15 | End_ | bitbucket is full |
| 03:08.19 | End_ | please empty |
| 03:08.27 | Dagmar | Otherwise you probably need to restock it with zero using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1024k count=1001 |
| 03:09.06 | Dagmar | Recycled electrons don't alqays age gracefully. Sometimes a few of the more oblong ones can get wedged |
| 03:09.40 | Dagmar | *derp* |
| 03:09.49 | xyphoid | sometimes the ones get stuck in the zeroes |
| 03:09.51 | Dagmar | Why were you using rsync on /dev/null, exactly? |
| 03:09.56 | Kaylin | roars fearsomely. |
| 03:09.59 | xyphoid | normally they should flow through smoothly |
| 03:10.00 | kd3 | dunno, not me. found it on reddit |
| 03:10.04 | Dagmar | This seems to me, probably the whole fucking problem |
| 03:10.05 | mckenziemc | dies |
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| 03:11.16 | Dagmar | A random reddit post being a troll? NEVAR |
| 03:12.10 | Dagmar | Either that or you should go remind them rsync has a flag about devices for a reason |
| 03:14.09 | Kaylin | has obtained chest enchancing drugs, or well a scrip for them. |
| 03:14.10 | Kaylin | :D |
| 03:14.25 | Torhal | MOAR fear. |
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| 03:28.57 | Amarande | hrm. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812120257 |
| 03:29.45 | Kaylin | I would blow any circuit I plugged that many things into that I'd actually want to use |
| 03:32.18 | mckenziemc | cues Ackis |
| 03:32.29 | Kaylin | queues Ackis for playback. |
| 03:32.48 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 03:33.25 | Amarande | actually, Kaylin, it has a circuit breaker so you *can't* blow the circuit by overloading it |
| 03:33.47 | mckenziemc | uh |
| 03:33.49 | Amarande | In fact, its circuit breaker appears to be exactly equal to the number of amps that a typical home circuit is rated for. :) |
| 03:33.54 | mckenziemc | overloading -> blowing the circuit breaker |
| 03:34.05 | mckenziemc | in informal terms |
| 03:34.09 | Amarande | mckenziemc: by "blow the circuit" I was more thinking of "catastrophic electrical fire" |
| 03:34.16 | Kaylin | no |
| 03:34.29 | Amarande | which ... is not really out of the realm of possibility if you've got 20 things on your power strip |
| 03:34.39 | Kaylin | what's it made out of? |
| 03:34.44 | Kaylin | or will you make me load the page again |
| 03:35.33 | Kaylin | metal, nice |
| 03:35.34 | Dagmar | Oh you *can* destroy a breaker |
| 03:35.41 | Dagmar | You just also win at "starting fires" |
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| 03:36.54 | Amarande | But yeah, if it's your only power strip, even on a typical wimpy home circuit, you don't have to worry about fires, because it's capped at the capacity of such a circuit |
| 03:36.59 | Kaylin | help me come up with reasons to put these empty cardboard boxes in my basement |
| 03:37.25 | Dagmar | The trolls need to build more box forts |
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| 03:38.21 | mckenziemc | because having a circuit breaker eliminates the possibility of a fire... |
| 03:38.45 | Dagmar | Um... it's not really guaranteed that a cheap power strip is going to cap a damn thing |
| 03:39.03 | Dagmar | It might have a GFCI that will pop if you shove a fork into an outlet or something |
| 03:39.23 | Dagmar | If it doesn't have a fuse, it better be rated higher than the breaker |
| 03:39.51 | mckenziemc | huh? |
| 03:40.20 | Kaylin | I have a beige power strip I found at work nobody wanted. It's made of steel and has 6 outlets with grounds, 2 lights indicating power/ground, and a really annoying alarm if it's plugged in to an outlet that is not grounded. Oh my god you can hear it from down the block. |
| 03:40.29 | Dagmar | If you have a 10a-rated power strip and a 20a breaker on the circuit, you can have the thing catch fire before the breaker would care |
| 03:40.53 | Dagmar | The only advantage there is that the fire is running across your carpet instead of hiding in the walls being sneaky |
| 03:41.08 | mckenziemc | my statement was sarcastic, if that's what you're referring to |
| 03:41.20 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 03:41.21 | Kaylin | no we gathered that I think |
| 03:41.24 | Kaylin | oh well okay then |
| 03:41.28 | Kaylin | imma go sit in my box fort |
| 03:41.34 | mckenziemc | ^ |
| 03:41.46 | Amarande | mckenziemc: well, generally, that's what circuit ratings are for :p |
| 03:41.54 | Kaylin | I discovered Amazon.com |
| 03:41.56 | Amarande | you're supposed to be able to safely draw that load :) |
| 03:42.01 | Kaylin | it's been very bad for my summer job. |
| 03:42.06 | Kaylin | (and very good for Amazon) |
| 03:42.37 | mckenziemc | there are more complexities that what the circuit is rated for.... |
| 03:42.39 | Amarande | If you have a 15A circuit and are drawing 15A and things catch fire, the wallet of the company who rated that circuit is probably also going to be on fire :P |
| 03:42.56 | mckenziemc | probably not |
| 03:43.08 | Dagmar | If you have a 15A circuit and you draw 15A from it non-stop, bad things will happen eventually |
| 03:43.24 | Kraps | whats a good combat scroll addon that wont put stuff on top of other stuff like the default one does |
| 03:43.29 | mckenziemc | places Amarande's power strip under a dusty curtain and loosely plugs things into it |
| 03:43.34 | Dagmar | You don't even run a breaker at over 80% of it's capacity all the time or the breaker won't last 5 years |
| 03:43.52 | Kaylin | Also, I have discovered a paradox. You see, companies who use foam packing peanuts employ dickless assholes, people who use them are dicks. |
| 03:44.05 | Dagmar | We've had to have this discussion with a lot of admins doing colo |
| 03:44.30 | Dagmar | "No you cannot draw 30A off that circuit just because it's rated for 30A." |
| 03:44.43 | Kaylin | and even if you can |
| 03:44.46 | Kaylin | please don't. |
| 03:45.07 | Dagmar | WE've already replaced one breaker for a group that likes to run their macs up to 28a |
| 03:46.36 | Jamash | you don't drive a 15' truck under a bridge that says it has maximum clearance 15' |
| 03:46.50 | Jamash | for the same reason |
| 03:46.56 | Amarande | In any case, I don't seem to currently have any issues with power draw on the mains, so I'm probably using considerably less than 15A. On the other hand, I do quite consistently have issues with being unable to find a free outlet that has enough space to actually plug in a damned power cube. |
| 03:47.10 | Jamash | Amarande: get squids |
| 03:47.37 | Jamash | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882579065 this sort of thing |
| 03:48.32 | Jamash | yeah, you can get power strips with more outlets for less cost, but you can actually use all the outlets on a squid |
| 03:48.55 | mckenziemc | it's raining in thunder bluff o. |
| 03:48.56 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 03:49.07 | xyphoid | good old alternating transformers with non-transformer plugs |
| 03:49.35 | Dagmar | Wow this is jsut full of dangerous advice today |
| 03:50.08 | mckenziemc | ? |
| 03:50.10 | Dagmar | At least after 15a the thing will probably cut off |
| 03:51.02 | Dagmar | I work with some people who are functionally retarded enough to think nothing of using all four wall outlets at once |
| 03:51.18 | Kaylin | probably is not a word I like with things I put a lot of money into :X |
| 03:51.39 | mckenziemc | probably stabs Torhal |
| 03:51.41 | Jamash | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882579064 the version without the hair care products included |
| 03:51.43 | Dagmar | Two microwaves, a coffemaker, and an toaster oven will absolutely cause tears |
| 03:52.13 | Kaylin | microwaves cause tears for other reasons :O |
| 03:52.15 | Jamash | I use squids to plug in stuff like my phone, 3DS, laptop |
| 03:52.23 | mckenziemc | heh |
| 03:52.24 | Dagmar | Ther'es also a bunch of telephone operators upstairs who had to be sternly warned about *everyone* in the row plugging in foot heaters at the same time |
| 03:52.26 | Jamash | I wouldn't dream of putting 15 amps through it |
| 03:52.46 | mckenziemc | two microwaves are enough -- don't those use about 1100 watts normally (each) ? |
| 03:53.00 | Dagmar | Some are |
| 03:53.08 | Dagmar | Smaller ones tend to be 700 |
| 03:53.11 | Kaylin | something like that, they're like a damn theatre lamp. |
| 03:53.38 | Jamash | we had a very poorly wired house with a 1500W microwave on a 15 amp breaker with the home theater and chandelier lights |
| 03:53.48 | mckenziemc | the (old) one in my house makes my UPS click every time it starts/stops/changes power level : / |
| 03:53.51 | Jamash | we had to turn off the lights and tv to use the microwave :( |
| 03:54.42 | Jamash | I dunno who thought it was a good idea to put the kitchen microwave on the living room circuit |
| 03:54.59 | mckenziemc | last winter i kept a parabolic heater by my computer but it was on the same circuit as the microwave :( |
| 03:55.20 | mckenziemc | grandma would start the microwave without thinking about it |
| 03:55.39 | Jamash | and it was wired into the wall so we couldn't just unplug it and plug it into a different outlet |
| 03:56.08 | Jamash | do you heat a lot of parabolas? |
| 03:56.48 | mckenziemc | yes |
| 03:57.26 | Jamash | as a followup, can you get a parabolic cooler? |
| 03:57.27 | Kaylin | gives all conic sections appropriate degrees of heat. |
| 03:57.40 | Kaylin | heh degrees... heat. |
| 03:57.46 | mckenziemc | my video card also started misbehaving around that time |
| 03:58.36 | mckenziemc | (undervoltage presumably) |
| 03:58.47 | Jamash | or wobbly voltage |
| 03:59.02 | mckenziemc | well |
| 03:59.07 | mckenziemc | that's a given with AC ;) |
| 03:59.23 | Jamash | bah |
| 03:59.27 | Kaylin | wobbles fearsomely. |
| 03:59.35 | Jamash | sine wave is not square wave is not triangle wave |
| 03:59.44 | mckenziemc | tranquilizes Kaylin. |
| 03:59.56 | kd3 | a triangle wave sounds alarming |
| 04:00.03 | Jamash | used in sound synthesis |
| 04:00.23 | Jamash | ^v^v^v |
| 04:00.31 | mckenziemc | <><><> |
| 04:00.40 | Kaylin | WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB |
| 04:00.42 | Jamash | commodore 64 used em |
| 04:01.05 | mckenziemc | typesetting? |
| 04:02.03 | Kaylin | ugh okay brb more boxes |
| 04:04.32 | Amarande | Yeah, the SID was practically 21st century tech in the 80s |
| 04:04.46 | Jamash | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_SID the best music hardware ever shipped in a consumer device |
| 04:05.14 | Amarande | It was legendary to the point that after Commodore went under a serious pro music equipment company bought out the remaining stock of SIDs to use in their products |
| 04:05.23 | Amarande | I forget what the place was called |
| 04:15.18 | Arrowmaster | rofl http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/zet1x/you_dont_plagiarize_in_my_class/c641lzh |
| 04:17.30 | Amarande | Arrow: Have you ever seen the one that one GameFAQs author came up with? |
| 04:18.44 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 04:19.51 | Amarande | It included things like "Plagiarism of (name)'s FAQs may result in being unable to eat without a tube" or something similar :) |
| 04:20.26 | Kaylin | I find things I find on GameFAQs are mostly walkthroughs and very seldom actually FAQs |
| 04:20.42 | Amarande | ah, here it is |
| 04:20.43 | Amarande | http://www.craigsniffen.com/sinirothx_ff7_licence.txt |
| 04:20.56 | Jamash | Kaylin: the most frequently asked question is "how do I beat the game" |
| 04:21.26 | Arrowmaster | Kaylin: they added a Q&A section to every game a while back |
| 04:21.49 | Kaylin | I thought it was why don't boys like me? :( also last time I looked up stuff I was missing one damn skultulla in ocarina of time, grr. |
| 04:22.31 | Arrowmaster | i cant even attempt to answer that question without pics |
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| 04:26.16 | Jamash | nood pix |
| 04:26.35 | Jamash | of ghostcrawler |
| 04:31.33 | Esamynn | ~lart Jam |
| 04:31.33 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of Jam |
| 04:31.36 | Esamynn | ~lart Jamash |
| 04:31.36 | purl | pours gasoline all over Jamash, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 04:31.50 | mckenziemc | ~fail Esamynn |
| 04:31.50 | purl | Esamynn, you Fail! |
| 04:32.03 | MentalPower | ~failwhale Esamynn|work |
| 04:32.12 | Esamynn | ~fail MentalPower |
| 04:32.12 | purl | MentalPower: FAIL! |
| 04:32.19 | MentalPower | ~fail Esamynn |
| 04:32.19 | purl | Esamynn: FAIL! |
| 04:32.29 | Esamynn | ~fishslap MentalPower |
| 04:32.29 | purl | ACTION slaps MentalPower up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 04:32.39 | Jamash | 's explosive dummy detonates, taking out Esamynn and his computer. |
| 04:32.51 | Esamynn | ~whaleshield |
| 04:32.51 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield esamynn from the blast. |
| 04:33.17 | mckenziemc | ~whaledismantle Esamynn |
| 04:33.35 | Jamash | ~whaleslap mckenziemc |
| 04:33.35 | purl | ACTION beats mckenziemc upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 04:34.01 | Esamynn | ~whalenuke mckenziemc |
| 04:34.01 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around mckenziemc with his mind powers. |
| 04:34.15 | mckenziemc | No effect! |
| 04:34.28 | Jamash | ~whalefisker Esamynn |
| 04:35.11 | Jamash | man I need some ice water |
| 04:36.10 | karl_w_w | why do people use reddit the layout is so horrible |
| 04:36.12 | Thunder_Child | so get some? |
| 04:37.36 | karl_w_w | pours ice water down Jamash's pants |
| 04:39.07 | mckenziemc | pours karl_w_w down Jamash's pants |
| 04:41.18 | Jamash | pours mckenziemc's pants down karl_w_w |
| 04:42.10 | Neffi | geterrorhandler()('some error') doesn't provide the stack trace. Is there any other way to soft-error so it does? |
| 04:44.12 | Esamynn | soft-error? |
| 04:45.04 | Neffi | error without halting execution |
| 04:45.13 | Neffi | eg if you're running a user function that might error |
| 04:47.15 | karl_w_w | by fixing the function |
| 04:47.40 | mckenziemc | there's a function that gets the stack, i think it's debugstack() |
| 04:47.57 | mckenziemc | look at the code for blizzard's error handler |
| 04:48.03 | Esamynn | aye |
| 04:48.19 | mckenziemc | idk if that'll help you, i'm too tired to think |
| 04:48.53 | Neffi | I know I can get the stack. I want to throw an error. |
| 04:49.30 | mckenziemc | probably have to make your own error display |
| 04:49.46 | Neffi | Working on a system for embedded libraries that will detect an error when loading, and automatically fallback to the previous version. It works, but I want to be able to throw the error that happened in the user's face and have the stack preserved so they know which embedded copy failed to load. |
| 04:50.13 | Neffi | That's what I'm thinking at this point |
| 04:50.37 | Esamynn | debugstack() should work at any point |
| 04:51.28 | Esamynn | can you not just wait until you're done and just call error() ? |
| 04:52.21 | Neffi | I tried that, but the embedded lib loads before the addon (obv) and throwing error() at the end stops the addon from loading at all. |
| 04:53.46 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 04:53.56 | Esamynn | that doesn't seem right |
| 04:55.23 | mckenziemc | doesn't the game just skip the end of that lua file then continue with the next file? |
| 04:55.44 | Neffi | Maybe the reason it didn't load was elsewhere. When it failed to load, there had also been issues with the system itself. |
| 04:55.47 | Neffi | I'll try error() again |
| 05:01.10 | Neffi | Oh. error() doesn't stop further files. |
| 05:01.25 | Esamynn | no, it wouldn't |
| 05:03.29 | starlon | why can't I xmog a legendary :( |
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| 05:04.01 | mckenziemc | because you can't xmog legendaries |
| 05:04.11 | starlon | was heartbreaking when the xmog system bitched at me for trying |
| 05:04.45 | karl_w_w | i like it when you're registered for an event in an addon for months and then realise one day you aren't using it |
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| 05:14.48 | xyphoid | i was waiting on a new altaholic release to fix up my addon that depends on altaholic. eventually decided to do some of the work in advance, went and looked, and discoverd i'd switched it over to dependency on tsm six months ago. |
| 05:31.46 | Fisker | hey Thunder_Child |
| 05:31.49 | Fisker | not so hey karl_w_w |
| 05:41.40 | karl_w_w | love you too Fisker |
| 05:49.07 | amro | 4 lines of code = 100x speedup |
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| 06:15.42 | Stanzilla | hey Fisker |
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| 06:31.35 | Torhal | blames Gnarfoz for Stanzilla's instability. |
| 06:36.02 | g0urra | slaps Torhal around a bit with a small Fisker |
| 06:36.19 | Torhal | ~fiskerslap g0urra |
| 06:36.19 | purl | ACTION slaps g0urra around a bit with Fisker. |
| 06:36.41 | g0urra | how original |
| 06:36.45 | Torhal | Indeed. |
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| 06:49.46 | starlon | :/ |
| 06:52.45 | Semlar | are locations of fixed objects like mailboxes in the dbc files somewhere |
| 06:54.00 | Torhal | No. |
| 06:54.15 | Semlar | how did carbonite make a database of POIs |
| 06:54.33 | Torhal | The same way I did in WoWDB Profiler |
| 06:54.38 | Torhal | In-game datamining :) |
| 06:54.45 | Semlar | erg |
| 06:55.33 | karl_w_w | omg Torhal ur gonna be banned for datamining |
| 06:55.51 | Torhal | datamines karl_w_w's keys. |
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| 06:58.07 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 06:58.12 | bluspacecow | hi folks |
| 06:58.20 | _TMc51 | ohaithar |
| 06:58.42 | bluspacecow | anyone seen any news about : http://www.curseforge.com/profiles/Raeli87/ |
| 06:58.57 | bluspacecow | particularly if http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/rsa/ is going to be updated. |
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| 07:10.44 | Torhal | bluspacecow: Unknown. |
| 07:10.54 | bluspacecow | yeah. |
| 07:11.12 | bluspacecow | last comment Jun 20th 2012. last login Aug 31 2012 |
| 07:11.58 | Torhal | reincarnates bluspacecow as a marmoset. |
| 07:12.11 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 07:12.52 | Esamynn | ~poke bluspacecow |
| 07:12.52 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind bluspacecow, pokes bluspacecow repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 07:37.34 | starlon | shouldn't be able to transmog the same weapon on two weapons... |
| 07:38.03 | starlon | :/ |
| 07:38.35 | starlon | maybe if it's unique |
| 07:53.30 | karl_w_w | what's a good synonym for tutelage that doesn't sound so poncy? |
| 07:54.27 | karl_w_w | why not starlon? |
| 07:56.53 | jnwhiteh | Mikk: Il'l pay the bill when I have your half =) |
| 07:56.56 | jnwhiteh | its due by the 8th, I think |
| 07:57.09 | jnwhiteh | I'm a few $ short to cover the full amount :P |
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| 07:59.54 | jnwhiteh | Anyone here live in Sweden and cash in Curse points? I know how to claim that for tax purposes in the U.S. but I have to figure it out for Sweden now. |
| 08:00.41 | nevcairiel | i think someone asked on the wowace forums about sweden recently |
| 08:01.46 | jnwhiteh | ah, http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=20118 perhaps? |
| 08:02.26 | jnwhiteh | ah damnit, mine is more complicated than that |
| 08:02.46 | jnwhiteh | I'll probably have to hire a tax lawyer to help me figure it out. |
| 08:03.21 | jnwhiteh | there's a new beta version of Clique, I'd appreciate people testing it out for me to make sure I didn't regress anything |
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| 08:16.14 | Elkano | anyone has an idea which program was used to generate this unicode/locale coverage statistic? http://www.wowace.com/addons/unicode-font/ |
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| 08:18.43 | Semlar | jesus, 22000 chinese characters |
| 08:19.18 | Humbedooh | better start learning |
| 08:19.41 | Semlar | you could learn one character a day and that would still take 60 years |
| 08:20.02 | Humbedooh | mebbe there's a cheat sheet |
| 08:20.19 | Semlar | i think there's only like 3000 commonly used characters |
| 08:20.40 | karl_w_w | only, he says |
| 08:20.47 | Semlar | hey, compared to 22000 |
| 08:21.18 | Neffi | jnwhiteh: Anything new or just a 5.0 update? |
| 08:21.27 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh: wait, they don't have children in the UK either? :\ |
| 08:21.37 | Humbedooh | or just not in milk cartons? |
| 08:22.31 | Humbedooh | Semlar: but surely, there's gottan be some phonetic hint about a character somewhere |
| 08:22.35 | Humbedooh | gotta* |
| 08:22.49 | Semlar | not as far as i know |
| 08:22.49 | karl_w_w | I used to keep children in milk cartons, but I found it was just too impractical |
| 08:22.55 | bluspacecow | \o/ |
| 08:22.58 | Humbedooh | karl_w_w: I can imagine |
| 08:23.02 | karl_w_w | takes so many cartons to hold just 1 child |
| 08:23.03 | bluspacecow | one week vacation for MoP booked! |
| 08:23.27 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow: I don't even know if I'll have internet by MoP :P |
| 08:23.33 | bluspacecow | lul |
| 08:23.50 | Semlar | in japanese there are little simpler characters they put next to complicated ones as like a pronunciation key sometimes but not chinese |
| 08:23.53 | Humbedooh | I have a one week vacation for a conference booked ;< but at least I don't have to give a speech at that one :> |
| 08:24.24 | karl_w_w | are you saying you're giving a speech at the MoP release? |
| 08:24.42 | Humbedooh | maybe :o |
| 08:25.09 | Humbedooh | "hi all! happy MoP", teh end |
| 08:26.45 | karl_w_w | you're an inspiration to us all |
| 08:27.36 | Humbedooh | :3 |
| 08:29.04 | bluspacecow | *golf clap* |
| 08:30.12 | Humbedooh | oh why, firefox, are you using 3gb memory ;o |
| 08:30.37 | bluspacecow | Flash! |
| 08:30.48 | karl_w_w | aaaaaah |
| 08:30.54 | karl_w_w | saviour of the universe |
| 08:31.12 | Humbedooh | no wonder my compy was sluggish :< |
| 08:31.17 | bluspacecow | dork |
| 08:31.47 | Neffi | "Hey look, we fixed the memory leaks!" 4 versions later |
| 08:32.22 | karl_w_w | all i see is madness |
| 08:34.01 | karl_w_w | http://a-review-a-day.blogspot.com.au/ can be quite amusing |
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| 08:51.09 | wereHamster | do the schools in US not teach physics? This warning, in essence, reads: Friction generates heat, which can burn you. |
| 08:52.48 | Neffi | In high schools but most American students don't pay attention |
| 08:53.05 | Neffi | Because they can do meager work and still pass, or totally flunk out and nobody cares |
| 08:56.47 | ZorbaBeta | honestly, I think the problem is more fundamental - because nobody's bothered to tell them why they *should* care, besides "high school grades let you get into college, and college grades let you get a good job" |
| 08:57.16 | ZorbaBeta | except that everyone now knows that a college degree no longer lands you a job. and almost nobody is giving a better reason to care about learning. |
| 08:58.40 | Neffi | I think that's a part of it |
| 08:59.04 | Neffi | But a culture that provides nearly endless instant gratification puts a system like school in such a stark contrast |
| 08:59.18 | Neffi | The school system could work. The world around it doesn't. |
| 09:00.09 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno about that. I mean, if my choices are "school is broken" or "everything besides school is broken", I'm gonna go with the first option. I think school needs to change, and isn't changing, because the leaders either haven't recognized the shifts in culture or don't care about them |
| 09:01.11 | Neffi | My professor turned me onto an essay regarding schools in America |
| 09:01.17 | ZorbaBeta | compare modern schooling to Khan Academy, that *does* provide the instant gratification and also teaches things. Khan Academy isn't perfect, and isn't suited to all subjects, but for the subjects it *does* work on, it's a dramatically better use of a limited education budget. |
| 09:01.20 | Neffi | Things like guaranteed tenure are problematic |
| 09:01.37 | Neffi | The schools themselves are severely bad. But American culture is still a big problem. |
| 09:01.50 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, the teacher's union in general is a real issue. unions are great when they're fighting exploitative monopolies. they're not so great when they *become* the exploitative monopoly. |
| 09:06.05 | Neffi | oh fuck |
| 09:08.06 | Neffi | Walter's caught |
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| 09:36.32 | karl_w_w | do I like chives? I can't remember |
| 09:37.42 | Semlar | hold on let me check |
| 09:38.23 | Semlar | yep |
| 09:39.35 | karl_w_w | cool |
| 09:48.33 | karl_w_w | wow, just paid for something by credit card and the processing page said "refreshing this page will NOT resubmit your payment" |
| 09:48.53 | karl_w_w | somebody knows how to code |
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| 09:52.40 | Semlar | maybe it's a trick |
| 09:53.01 | Humbedooh | do it ;o |
| 09:53.19 | Semlar | don't fall for it dude |
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| 09:53.48 | Industrial | SO i named my new shaman Shanamana |
| 09:54.13 | Semlar | i named my new shaman totemtester |
| 09:54.37 | Semlar | although now he doesn't really serve any purpose |
| 09:54.47 | Semlar | they changed all the totems |
| 09:55.31 | karl_w_w | Shamanarama would be a good name |
| 09:55.41 | karl_w_w | better than that crazy thing Industrial has, anyway |
| 09:56.25 | Industrial | karl_w_w: TUU TUUU TUDUUDUU |
| 09:57.31 | Industrial | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ ) |
| 09:57.36 | Semlar | would you rather have all the map overlays (explored areas) or something like this http://i.imgur.com/SlyFA.jpg |
| 09:57.53 | Industrial | Semlar: that. |
| 09:57.59 | Semlar | okay |
| 09:58.06 | Industrial | there used to be a minimap-to-worldmap addon |
| 09:58.24 | Semlar | well to add the overlays you haven't discovered yet would require making a huge table of all of them |
| 09:58.45 | Semlar | so this is easier anyway |
| 09:59.15 | karl_w_w | if I said "X street is just off Y street" does that sense to everybody? |
| 09:59.29 | Humbedooh | totally |
| 09:59.45 | Semlar | it means you turn off X street onto Y |
| 10:00.00 | Semlar | i mean the other way around |
| 10:00.06 | karl_w_w | I mean I know it makes sense to me, but for some reason I think maybe not everybody would understand it the same way |
| 10:00.08 | Semlar | whichever |
| 10:00.33 | Semlar | do people need directions any more? |
| 10:00.48 | karl_w_w | the street I live on is new |
| 10:00.53 | karl_w_w | like, 2 months |
| 10:00.56 | Industrial | directions? no i got questhelper lite |
| 10:00.59 | Semlar | whenever someone tries to tell me how to get somewhere i'm always just waiting for them to finish so i can get the address |
| 10:01.10 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 10:01.29 | karl_w_w | in fact my street appears visually on google maps, but it's not searchable yet |
| 10:01.54 | Semlar | unless it's like 3 turns away i'm not going to remember what the hell they're saying anyway |
| 10:02.29 | Semlar | oh oh give them global coordinates |
| 10:02.34 | Semlar | that should help |
| 10:02.39 | karl_w_w | :P |
| 10:04.28 | Semlar | i really should have paid more attention in geometry |
| 10:04.48 | karl_w_w | why? it's so easy |
| 10:04.57 | Semlar | not if you don't know anything! |
| 10:04.59 | karl_w_w | triangles are the ones with 3 sides |
| 10:05.16 | Semlar | i know my shapes |
| 10:06.18 | Semlar | although everything i'm dealing with is a rectangle |
| 10:06.56 | Semlar | so, so many rectangles |
| 10:07.18 | Jamash | I named my new shaman oxdeadbeef |
| 10:07.29 | Semlar | that's a weird name for a troll |
| 10:07.36 | Jamash | it's a tauren |
| 10:07.51 | karl_w_w | that's a weird name for a troll |
| 10:07.52 | Jamash | on beta pvp :P |
| 10:09.18 | Industrial | Jamash: heh |
| 10:09.31 | Jamash | I'm honestly surprised it wasn't taken |
| 10:09.49 | Industrial | creates a female tauren oxcafebabe |
| 10:10.26 | Jamash | nice |
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| 10:11.40 | karl_w_w | wow, 4 letters from the same business on the same day |
| 10:11.45 | karl_w_w | that's effecient |
| 10:12.01 | karl_w_w | i wonder if any contain money |
| 10:13.09 | Semlar | i'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that none of them contain money |
| 10:13.10 | Jamash | do premades on the beta all get running wild? |
| 10:13.44 | Semlar | what is running wild |
| 10:13.55 | bluspacecow | worgen sex life |
| 10:14.14 | Semlar | the undead dk i made doesn't have it |
| 10:14.25 | Jamash | weird |
| 10:14.30 | Jamash | my tauren shaman has it O_o |
| 10:14.33 | Jamash | it doesn't work |
| 10:14.40 | bluspacecow | yeah that bug again |
| 10:14.42 | bluspacecow | LOL |
| 10:14.58 | bluspacecow | its funny on my female dranei |
| 10:15.11 | bluspacecow | as she does this going down on all fours thing |
| 10:15.13 | Semlar | i'm guessing it's a bug from them sharing all the mounts |
| 10:15.15 | bluspacecow | then stands up O_O |
| 10:15.39 | karl_w_w | the 4 letters contain 7 appointments they've made to see me, all between 10th and 20th sept o.O |
| 10:15.57 | Semlar | that's a lot of appointments |
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| 10:35.52 | Jamash | garrosh needs a hat |
| 10:36.03 | Jamash | I think that's part of the reason he looks dumn |
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| 11:05.39 | Blazeflack | Hello everyone |
| 11:08.13 | Blazeflack | I need some advice. Calling :SetAlpha(x) on a frame which already has the alpha value "x", will that result in a form of noop or will the repeated :SetAlpha actually revert the value and then set it back to x? |
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| 11:32.14 | Neffi | Blazeflack: What do you mean by "revert the value"? |
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| 11:47.26 | Stanzilla | overwrite |
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| 12:15.31 | karl_w_w | hmm, so firefox is not responding, something is going to town on my hard drive, and task manager won't open |
| 12:17.07 | karl_w_w | or anything else for that matter |
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| 12:18.27 | Adys | anyone here going to fosdem 2013? (belgium) |
| 12:21.37 | karl_w_w | irc is now my last responsive program :P |
| 12:21.43 | karl_w_w | restarts |
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| 12:30.31 | karl_w_w | holy hell it did it again |
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| 12:30.59 | karl_w_w | anyone on firefox beta wanna try out www.passiveaggressivenotes.com? |
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| 12:44.02 | karl_w_w | ffs! |
| 12:44.33 | karl_w_w | it must just be firefox |
| 12:44.54 | Thunder_Child | loads fine for me |
| 12:45.03 | karl_w_w | firefox? |
| 12:45.11 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 12:45.22 | karl_w_w | yeah it loads fine for me as well |
| 12:45.34 | karl_w_w | has been for a while but now its just freezing |
| 12:45.42 | Thunder_Child | although i am on 13 |
| 12:45.51 | Lopeppeppy | I have a very old Firefox install, it works happy-fine for me. |
| 12:46.19 | karl_w_w | this time i pre-emptively opening task manager, and now after trying to kill the firefox process task manager has frozen |
| 12:46.48 | mitch0 | cltr-alt-esc, klikk |
| 12:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | Your computer has ebola. |
| 12:48.02 | bluspacecow | oh hi Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | Moning. |
| 12:49.39 | d[karl]b | i'm on the latest firefox on the beta channel, and I'm not about to open firefox again to remind myself what that is |
| 12:49.53 | d[karl]b | also, if anyone said anything interesting since my last message I didn't see it |
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| 12:51.46 | Neffi | "beta channel" you know that may contain bugs, correct? |
| 12:52.18 | karl_w_w | oh is that what beta means |
| 12:52.24 | karl_w_w | I never knew |
| 12:52.50 | Neffi | No it means it's shy at parties and doesn't get laid |
| 12:53.08 | Lopeppeppy | It means aggressive lonely fish. |
| 12:54.40 | foxlit | http://www.twitch.tv/alkaizerx << high level D3 is mind-numbingly boring |
| 12:55.38 | Stanzilla | s/high level// |
| 12:55.41 | _TMc51 | D3 is mind-numbingly boring. |
| 12:56.47 | Stanzilla | btw I lul'd https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/a381ff35fa4d50a5f7b9f64300dfd98859dee8d0 |
| 12:56.50 | karl_w_w | hmm no firefox and now explorer has frozen and something is taxing my hard drive |
| 12:57.08 | Neffi | You could have a worm that's hungry for files? |
| 12:57.15 | nevcairiel | i never saw diablo as a game you just play to get to some high level. its a game to play coop with some friends for me, having fun on voice at the same time and its great for that. you should try finding some friends and giving it a try. :p |
| 12:57.22 | Neffi | You been downloading porn with the extension .avi.exe lately? |
| 12:57.24 | karl_w_w | possibly |
| 12:57.28 | karl_w_w | no |
| 12:58.03 | karl_w_w | wait, people still download porn? |
| 12:58.54 | Neffi | Stanzilla: I laughed |
| 12:59.08 | Neffi | wait, people still get malware? |
| 12:59.14 | Neffi | ;) |
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| 13:06.26 | Elkano | so Blizzard added Cyrillic versions of some fonts... with the Cyrillic characters not at the place they are supposed to be... |
| 13:06.35 | karl_w_w | doing it again, process explorer says nothing is reading or writing so must be the HD |
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| 13:07.20 | Elkano | karl_w_w, does perfmon show anything? |
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| 14:39.17 | pompy | haha awesomee http://youtu.be/HDJXgiUe_EM |
| 14:42.45 | Adys | Dagmar: do you know wtf this could mean in a router log? "Network Log- " TOD established " happen in time Thu Sep 06 14:40:42 2012" |
| 14:43.14 | nicoli_s | time of day? |
| 14:44.01 | Adys | nicoli_s: maybe, but it has an error number |
| 14:45.25 | pompy | http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-to-100Mb-Setup-Equipment/New-Superhub-giving-daily-message/td-p/1348856 |
| 14:46.11 | Adys | mmh |
| 14:46.20 | Adys | so it is just a time sync |
| 14:46.53 | pompy | Adys: is F002082539 the error code? |
| 14:47.07 | Adys | no, thats virgin's ticket system |
| 14:47.26 | pompy | hm, http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/Up-to-100Mb-Setup-Equipment/Network-log/td-p/1363618 last post |
| 14:47.46 | Adys | thats different |
| 14:47.54 | pompy | yup just realized |
| 14:47.55 | pompy | ! >< |
| 14:49.05 | pompy | okay, so according to Mozilla! lol .. http://www.facebook.com/Firefox/posts/10152099566085022 |
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| 15:04.52 | Vladinator | why didn't blizzard follow the proper character code indexes for cyrrilic ;( |
| 15:05.27 | Vladinator | cyrillic* btw this is why I like UTF8, at least it's compatible with any other UTF8 font ;P |
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| 15:20.13 | zenzelezz | Vladinator: what about Cyrillic doesn't work well? |
| 15:20.32 | Vladinator | what do you mean? :) |
| 15:20.43 | zenzelezz | <Vladinator> why didn't blizzard follow the proper character code indexes for cyrrilic ;( |
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| 15:21.13 | Vladinator | rephrase your sentence :D |
| 15:21.22 | zenzelezz | if you so desire |
| 15:21.29 | zenzelezz | what's your beef with Blizzard's cyrillic |
| 15:22.23 | Vladinator | (15:06:24) Elkano: so Blizzard added Cyrillic versions of some fonts... with the Cyrillic characters not at the place they are supposed to be... |
| 15:22.32 | Vladinator | my beef :P |
| 15:23.18 | zenzelezz | pfft, two hours old; can't expect me to read back that much :-p |
| 15:23.50 | Vladinator | ^^ |
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| 15:25.41 | Vladinator | going to work soon |
| 15:25.43 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 15:34.47 | zenzelezz | at thise time of day? What do you do? |
| 15:35.30 | zenzelezz | *this... jesus |
| 15:36.00 | Vladinator | my profession addon broke because of dropdown taint |
| 15:36.08 | Vladinator | so I wrote my own dropdown like menu lol :P |
| 15:36.20 | Vladinator | it's 17:30 here, work at 18:30 |
| 15:36.42 | zenzelezz | that's why I'm curious |
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| 15:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/234367-yolo-thread/ |
| 15:42.17 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 15:42.29 | zenzelezz | so I take it "YOLO" is a trend now? |
| 15:42.47 | Vladinator | :( |
| 15:42.56 | Vladinator | zenzelezz: what do you think of this dropdown like menu http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/pdb/images/4-screenshot-2/ ? :P |
| 15:43.11 | Mr_Rabies | it's like "WOLOLO" from age of empires, except instead of people joining your team they want to kill you |
| 15:43.47 | zenzelezz | Vladinator: if it's a dropdown, I'd perhaps make it a little more obvious somehow, now it looks more like a popup menu -- but I like the simple look of it |
| 15:43.47 | durcyn | i thought it was from some pop song? |
| 15:43.48 | _TMc51 | http://jalopnik.com/5940584/and-then-there-was-the-time-someone-tweeted-yolo-moments-before-he-and-four-friends-died-in-a-brutal-wreck |
| 15:44.41 | zenzelezz | durcyn: for all I know it could be, I just know I've been seeing "YOLO" a lot lately |
| 15:44.50 | Vladinator | it's just supposed to be a popup menu yes :P opens when you click the "?" icon |
| 15:44.57 | Unkle | It's short for You Only Live Once - which is an old saying, but getting the pop-culture make over ala Nike's "Just Do It" campaign. |
| 15:45.09 | Vladinator | just noticed the popup menus use the dropdown frames or something, or I just got confused >.< |
| 15:45.11 | zenzelezz | I'm aware of that Unkle :) |
| 15:45.30 | zenzelezz | Vladinator: then I'm not sure what you meant by "dropdown-like". But I prefer simple popups |
| 15:45.41 | Vladinator | I never get on board with these trends :P |
| 15:45.49 | Vladinator | zenzelezz: look at the UIDropDownTemplate |
| 15:45.52 | Vladinator | it looks like that :P |
| 15:45.59 | Vladinator | but it's named dropdown ;) |
| 15:47.38 | Vladinator | local DD=CreateFrame("Frame","Name",UIParent,"UIDropDownMenuTemplate") |
| 15:47.38 | Vladinator | UIDropDownMenu_Initialize(DD,InitializeFunc,"MENU") |
| 15:47.38 | Vladinator | ToggleDropDownMenu(1,nil,DD,PosFrame,0,0) -- to toggle |
| 15:47.41 | zenzelezz | oh Blizzard, you non-conformists you |
| 15:47.51 | Vladinator | that's the default code I used to make a dropdown like a menu/popup :P |
| 15:48.03 | Vladinator | but it's the same module that deals with both, so taint spreads equally anyway:3 |
| 15:48.39 | Vladinator | funny how my addon got blamed for a lot of taint because I simply use the dropdown implemented system, so from now on I will write my own small lib that I use when I need a dropdown like frame :P |
| 15:49.29 | Torhal|work | Taint is not a bad thing - everything causes taint. When it causes blocked actions, it IS a bad thing. |
| 15:49.45 | Vladinator | when I had taintLog on |
| 15:49.50 | Torhal|work | Taint simply exists to say "This path of execution has been touched by an AddOn" |
| 15:49.52 | Vladinator | when I opened my map, it froze for 3 seconds |
| 15:49.56 | Vladinator | generating taint data :P |
| 15:50.09 | Vladinator | it was that bad, and all the blame came to my addon, but now it doesn't do that anymore :P |
| 15:50.33 | Vladinator | not sure what it did that caused the worldmap to bug out like that ;3 |
| 15:50.46 | durcyn | the 5.0 worldmap is a clusterfuck of brobdignagian proportions |
| 15:50.53 | Unkle | dropdown menus are notriously tricky to do cleanly. |
| 15:51.21 | Fisker | old _TMc51 |
| 15:51.30 | Fisker | darwin wins again |
| 15:51.33 | Vladinator | that's why I proposed a DropDownLib of some sort that we can use to at least avoid tainting the DropDowns that obviously, by not having to use the implemented code lol :P |
| 15:51.45 | Vladinator | would taint in the end but maybe take longer to break the dropdowns or other stuff :P |
| 15:52.37 | Torhal|work | The issue is not taint in itself. It's that, after using more than 8 elements in a UIDropDownMenu before they're initialized by the default UI, those tainted segments are then attempted to be used in secure code. |
| 15:52.56 | Torhal|work | The whole reason for taint is so anything touched by an AddOn never touches secure execution. |
| 15:53.01 | Torhal|work | Hence breakage. |
| 15:53.10 | Unkle | ^^ |
| 15:53.14 | Torhal|work | Jusrt looking and saying "Oh noes, taint!" is looking at it incorrectly. |
| 15:53.51 | Shirik | taints ALL THE VARIABLES |
| 15:54.38 | Vladinator | Torhal, why doesn't blizzard make it so they initialize securely if they don't exist? |
| 15:54.45 | Vladinator | Even if the request comes from a 3rd party addon :( |
| 15:54.51 | Shirik | it is true that I have tainted every variable I have ever created in WoW :( |
| 15:55.03 | durcyn | because we haven't hunted down the intern that wrote it with our torches and pitchforks yet, Vladinator |
| 15:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | That's bad, Shirik. |
| 15:55.14 | Vladinator | usually when I use taint I use it in the way when it breaks or blocks stuff btw :P |
| 15:55.20 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 15:55.30 | Vladinator | that intern wrote this back when wow got released I figure :P |
| 15:55.35 | Shirik | but taint doesn't break things |
| 15:56.02 | Shirik | secure code using tainted stuff and then calling secure functions breaks things |
| 15:56.39 | Torhal|work | S'what I've been saying :/ |
| 15:56.50 | Shirik | I know |
| 15:56.55 | Torhal|work | Anything an AddOn touches is no longer "pure", it is "tainted". |
| 15:57.09 | Torhal|work | You cannot avoid taint. It's natural. |
| 15:57.12 | Torhal|work | lol |
| 15:57.15 | Torhal|work | "natural" |
| 15:57.16 | Torhal|work | Hah |
| 15:57.20 | rtharper | enjoys taint sometimes. |
| 15:57.26 | Torhal|work | ROFL |
| 15:57.30 | Shirik | taints Torhal |
| 15:57.33 | Shirik | don't worry it's natural |
| 15:57.53 | sylvanaar_work | I have been tainting the chatframe since taint was introduced |
| 15:57.53 | durcyn | i can only assume we're all operating off of the same definition of taint here |
| 15:57.59 | Torhal|work | Shirik: S'ok, since you're just AI it didn't actually happen. |
| 15:57.59 | Amarande | heh, yeah, intern is thought to be something like it, according to forum posts |
| 15:58.11 | Amarande | there are a few things in WoW that have been crappily coded for years that people wonder why it's not been fixed |
| 15:58.11 | Torhal|work | durcyn: Likely rtharper isn't :) |
| 15:58.12 | durcyn | oh fuck me i set off amarande again |
| 15:58.13 | Torhal|work | lol |
| 15:58.21 | Arrowmaster | lol http://imgur.com/gallery/wY5BZ |
| 15:58.28 | Amarande | the general thought is that such things were created by some kid who was brought in on a work-experience gig |
| 15:58.40 | Amarande | so now nobody actually knows about that piece of code anymore heh |
| 15:58.42 | Torhal|work | durcyn: I hate you. Just FYI. |
| 15:59.13 | durcyn | Torhal|work: you can stop avoiding my natural taint any time you want then |
| 15:59.18 | Torhal|work | Hah |
| 15:59.25 | Vladinator | do we taint when we read from frames? :P |
| 15:59.35 | Amarande | the other one usually hated for that is the "anti-teleport hack" code |
| 15:59.42 | Vladinator | if I do DropDownButton1.arg1 is it now no longer pure? :P |
| 15:59.53 | Vladinator | I take it it is tainted when we set them to values, not when read |
| 15:59.59 | Torhal|work | Vladinator: Exactly |
| 16:00.38 | Vladinator | so how do we work around issues like tainting dropdowns if we can't check if they are initialized, or if we can can we make the default API initialize them for us so they aren't tainted by us when we later use them? |
| 16:01.03 | Torhal|work | You figure that out, let us know. |
| 16:01.06 | durcyn | you shove it into a tooltip instead and never look at a dropdown again |
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| 16:02.04 | Vladinator | if blizzard use securecall more will it helps our problems in any way? :P |
| 16:02.30 | Vladinator | oh gotta run, I'll be back later Torhal :P |
| 16:02.55 | Torhal|work | Ok :P |
| 16:03.03 | Vladinator | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz before I go /fadesout |
| 16:03.05 | Amarande | waits for WoW to copy over to the new hard drive and meanwhile loves and hates my Android phone at the moment :P |
| 16:03.25 | Torhal|work | Why the fuck is everything punctuated with :P |
| 16:03.58 | zenzelezz | what do you mean? :P |
| 16:04.20 | durcyn | dude must have a tongue like gene simmons. |
| 16:04.32 | Amarande | heh |
| 16:05.38 | g0urra | :P |
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| 16:09.37 | TC-Work | http://www.tbagslosangeles.com/home.html that actually started after the vg use of it >.< |
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| 16:27.53 | Lopeppeppy | I am soooo not clicking on a link with t bag in the URL. |
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| 16:32.41 | Krapsy | is there a point to boss abilities that drop everyones health to almost zero, beside making 5 peoples hearts stop beating for several seconds |
| 16:32.45 | Krapsy | :p |
| 16:33.18 | Amarande | you mean like Decimate? |
| 16:33.27 | Amarande | or that ability the prince what's his name in Kara used? |
| 16:33.46 | Krapsy | Decimate didnt seem so bad |
| 16:33.57 | Krapsy | i'm talking about the guy in SFK |
| 16:34.21 | Krapsy | first time in that heroic |
| 16:34.42 | Amarande | Krapsy: Go play the Gold Box series plox |
| 16:34.52 | Amarande | Then you can complain about bosses being hard, once you have a proper point of comparison. :) |
| 16:34.59 | Krapsy | haw |
| 16:35.08 | Krapsy | i didnt say it was hard |
| 16:35.28 | Krapsy | just panic-inducing |
| 16:35.50 | Lopeppeppy | "Don't Panic" |
| 16:36.03 | Amarande | hands Krapsy a copy of the Hitchhiker's Guide to Azeroth |
| 16:36.45 | Amarande | But seriously, it seems like an awful lot of people feel like an awful lot of stuff in modern games is hard |
| 16:36.55 | Amarande | which stuff ... is actually really easy by classic standards |
| 16:37.43 | Amarande | Even a lot of the "hard" stuff in modern games is actually easy compared to some of the trash mobs in some older classics |
| 16:37.54 | Amarande | Like Dark Queen of Krynn. Remember that game, and the Dark Wizards? :) |
| 16:38.03 | Krapsy | i dont think games in general should be hard |
| 16:38.30 | Amarande | Well, games like DQoK at least really made you have to seriously think about how you were going to approach battles |
| 16:38.31 | zenzelezz | depends on the game |
| 16:38.42 | zenzelezz | Hitman is supposed to be hard (to do "right") |
| 16:39.06 | Krapsy | things like demons souls should be the exception rather than the rule |
| 16:39.40 | Krapsy | (i dont know anything about demons souls other than that) |
| 16:39.43 | Amarande | Dark Wizards were especially nasty, and they weren't even named guys |
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| 16:40.05 | Amarande | Basically, Dark Wizards were high level (I'm estimating low to mid 20s based on their damage output) mages, who had two particularly notable things about them. |
| 16:40.28 | Amarande | One was that they came into battle with basically all the available mage buffs in that implementation of AD&D pre-cast |
| 16:41.04 | Amarande | The other was that the first thing they would always do, when they get a turn and haven't taken damage that round, was cast Delayed Blast Fireball (and they had something like three of them memorised, each). |
| 16:41.31 | Amarande | Oh, did I mention that Delayed Blast Fireball, despite the name, is actually an instant spell in the Gold Box games? :) |
| 16:42.00 | Amarande | And that in the Gold Box implementation of AD&D there was no thought to the usual caps on damage dice for spells that pen and paper had, too :) |
| 16:42.15 | Krapsy | buff healers? |
| 16:43.36 | Amarande | heh, the trouble is that DBF often did enough damage to instantly knock out or even kill player characters, it was even worse than dragon breath most of the time |
| 16:44.07 | Amarande | Heal was very powerful, but 6th level slots were limited, and it was only single target (there was no AoE healing in Gold Box, and I don't think there was in 1st Edition AD&D in general) |
| 16:44.44 | Amarande | also, once a character was knocked out, you couldn't bring them back into that battle - even if you healed them back above 0 HP, they didn't get up again till you won |
| 16:45.34 | Amarande | (On the good side, Gold Box did implement the -10 rule, which later games like Baldur's Gate actually did not. And once knocked out, characters are actually immune to all further damage, even from AoE, with the exception of the 1 HP a round from the bleeding rule) |
| 16:46.06 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 16:46.09 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 16:46.31 | TC-Work | Lopeppeppy: it's womens clothing of all things which makes it even worse |
| 16:46.58 | TC-Work | waves @ Cairenn |
| 16:47.02 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 16:47.08 | Lopeppeppy | If a lady can get away with wearing just a tea bag for a pasty, I say more power to her, and better tips! |
| 16:47.29 | TC-Work | Reality Lopeppeppy's mind |
| 16:47.46 | Cairenn | wonders what the beginning of that particular conversation was |
| 16:47.58 | TC-Work | [09:09:38] <TC-Work> http://www.tbagslosangeles.com/home.html that actually started after the vg use of it >.< |
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| 16:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | I know, TC. Very disconnected, my mind and reality, when it comes to tea bags. |
| 16:48.46 | Unkle | ... at least we haven't gotten to the gamer version of the phrase. |
| 16:49.13 | Lopeppeppy | I totally went there just from the URL, Unkle. |
| 16:49.28 | Cairenn | *snark* |
| 16:49.58 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy - I looked at the URL. seriously - who wears that stuff? |
| 16:50.15 | Lopeppeppy | Since you swear it's safe... |
| 16:50.27 | Unkle | It's totally SFW. |
| 16:50.33 | Cairenn | it is |
| 16:50.44 | Lopeppeppy | I kind of like that green dress, even if the model seems to be ripping it up. |
| 16:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | Otherwise, meh. Too much funk in the junk. |
| 16:51.19 | Unkle | It's mostly low on shape, high on "baggy" |
| 16:51.35 | Lopeppeppy | Which is "in" for twiggy people, "out" for any of us curvy people. |
| 16:51.49 | Unkle | Then again, I wear 3X men's polo shirts, so I shouldn't talk about "baggy" |
| 16:51.57 | Cairenn | Yeah, I wasn't particularly impressed at the few items I looked at, either. |
| 16:52.37 | Lopeppeppy | Fashion - who knew it was so unfashionable and ugly? |
| 16:53.09 | Cairenn | Anyone who has ever watched a 'fashion runway' |
| 16:53.43 | Cairenn | And don't even get me started on the 'haute couture' |
| 16:54.09 | Cairenn | Like, seriously, who the fuck would wear any of that crap? |
| 16:54.15 | Lopeppeppy | If you take out that fancy European U, you get the real story. |
| 16:54.22 | Unkle | Models. In a photo shoot. |
| 16:54.43 | Lopeppeppy | And rich women at a horse race on Hat Day. |
| 16:54.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | Have you seen some of the Hat Day outfits? Jeebus. |
| 16:55.03 | Cairenn | Indeed |
| 16:55.46 | Lopeppeppy | We have the Saratoga track here, and the ladies that walk down main street in the summer are just wonders of architecture, let me say. From their 4" heels to their 2' hats. |
| 16:56.07 | Amarande | Ahhhh, Saratoga |
| 16:56.14 | Amarande | I remember betting on the horses there every now and again |
| 16:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | Lovely town, when the tourists aren't in season. And there's not 6 feet of snow. |
| 16:56.42 | Lopeppeppy | So... Oh, October, November, May, and early June. |
| 16:56.52 | Amarande | Typically, the best races to bet on were the steeplechase races, because handicappers seemed not to be quite so good with them |
| 16:57.24 | Amarande | so you'd get a lot of lemmings betting on the favourite, and a small handful of folks who actually pored over the past performances who get $50+ payouts when something else wins :) |
| 16:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | Steeples are hard. Even the best jumper will just balk at a water hazard if the lighting isn't right. |
| 16:57.51 | Lopeppeppy | Horses aren't stupid, there's the rub. |
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| 16:59.10 | Krapsy | this is some enchant http://www.wowdb.com/spells/104427-enchant-weapon-jade-spirit |
| 17:03.29 | Amarande | yay, "a melee weapon" |
| 17:03.52 | Amarande | is there going to be anything at all that works with wands, or are wands going to pretty much just suck because all the caster enchants say "a melee weapon" and wands are ranged? |
| 17:04.13 | Amarande | (for that matter, are wands even going to appear as max level gear in mop or are they only in existence as a legacy thing?) |
| 17:04.32 | Unkle | I saw some green wands drop while leveling in beta. |
| 17:04.51 | Amarande | otoh, I do see they're finally starting to balance enchant mats requirements more practically :) |
| 17:04.58 | Amarande | more sha crystals, fewer blue shards |
| 17:05.14 | Amarande | since after a while all anyone ever really gets in quantity is epics anyway, the way dungeon loot works :) |
| 17:05.15 | durcyn | irrelevant with the any-any conversion recipes. |
| 17:05.28 | Torhal|work | Amarande: Why do you ask things of us as though we'd have a chance in hell of knowing the answer? Or do you like line after line of rhetorics? |
| 17:05.52 | durcyn | Torhal|work: you're talking to a person who speaks in paragraphs |
| 17:05.59 | Torhal|work | This is true. |
| 17:06.35 | Amarande | Yeah, I never really got the memo that said to start getting into the twitter style of message length :P |
| 17:07.11 | Torhal|work | Well when you're spamming the channel in monologues, it's a hugs signal-to-noise ratio. You're essentially thinking aloud via keyboard. |
| 17:07.31 | Torhal|work | s/hugs/huge/ |
| 17:07.33 | Amarande | I also never got the memo that said that anything that wasn't totally short was to start being avoided on the internets due to "TL;DR" |
| 17:07.52 | Unkle | TL;DR marked for spam. |
| 17:08.04 | Amarande | Indeed, "TL;DR" I tend to regard as a problem with people who are reading things. Not the poster. |
| 17:08.05 | Torhal|work | The issue isn't exactly that you speak in paragraphs, it's that you do so in great lengths to YOURSELF. |
| 17:08.46 | Krapsy | thats your opinion Torhal :p |
| 17:08.53 | Torhal|work | Not just mine. |
| 17:08.56 | Amarande | And now you guys are dancing on the edge of flaming. Cairenn? |
| 17:08.57 | Torhal|work | Or I wouldn't say shit. |
| 17:09.05 | TC-Work | ^ |
| 17:10.29 | Cairenn | Behave children. That means all of you, Amarande. |
| 17:10.43 | Unkle | I'm with Torhal on this. You do tend to be a little "stream of consiousness" in the channel. |
| 17:11.22 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 17:11.32 | bluspacecow | Noodles or Pie folks ? |
| 17:11.35 | TC-Work | Soap Box is my word for it |
| 17:11.42 | durcyn | bluspacecow: both, obviously |
| 17:11.56 | bluspacecow | silly. You don't eats soap TC-Work |
| 17:13.12 | Amarande | Well, I do tend to think it an unfortunate evolution of humanity that "keep it short" seems to have become a major desideratum in communications, to the point that simply being overlong pisses a large number of people off. :| |
| 17:13.27 | Amarande | I wonder if there's even a positive reason for that evolution to have occurred. |
| 17:13.44 | durcyn | verbosity for its own sake is redundant |
| 17:14.09 | TC-Work | bluspacecow: have you tired caffeine soap? |
| 17:14.23 | bluspacecow | weirdo. |
| 17:14.51 | Amarande | bluspacecow: actually, not as weird as you'd think. I know there's actually mainstream shampoo brands that include caffeine in at least some of their offerings |
| 17:16.04 | znf | scrolls up |
| 17:16.08 | znf | /clears |
| 17:16.09 | znf | hi! |
| 17:16.20 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 17:16.25 | bluspacecow | c/lear |
| 17:16.31 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 17:16.36 | bluspacecow | it all go boom! |
| 17:17.31 | TC-Work | yes, yes i am, bluspacecow. |
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| 17:21.39 | Blazeflack | Neffi: sorry, I completely forgot about IRC. I'm hooking an OnUpdate on a function used to update timers for auras (those near the minimap). My code adds a statusbar instead of a text based timer, but I have an option to toggle between the 2. What I wanted to know was if it was bad to have frame:SetAlpha(0/1) in an OnUpdate script. |
| 17:22.20 | Neffi | If you're calling a redundant function every OnUpdate, you're seriously doing something wrong |
| 17:23.07 | Neffi | Setting the same alpha over and over won't change anything, but that's the kind of thing you shouldn't be doing |
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| 17:23.31 | Neffi | Figure out when you need to change alpha and set it elsewhere. Or if you're fading it, stop setting it when it's fully faded/opaque. |
| 17:24.07 | Gnarfoz | what's a non-tainting alternative to moveanything? |
| 17:24.08 | Neffi | Note: Fades don't seem choppy as easily, so you can usually throttle an alpha fade to like 20-30 FPS. |
| 17:24.48 | Blazeflack | It's not a fade, it's simply to either hide the text based timer and show the status bar, or doing the opposite |
| 17:25.02 | Neffi | Using alpha to avoid it reshowing/tainting? |
| 17:25.14 | Blazeflack | problem is that for the temporary weapon enchants, I only have the option to do that inside the function which is hooked to the OnUpdate script |
| 17:25.23 | Neffi | Setting it just once is all you need. And you only need to set it on the intial toggle. |
| 17:25.29 | Neffi | AFAIK the default code doesn't touch alpha on that |
| 17:25.29 | Unkle | I need some good headphones for use in the office. Does anyone have a favorite they'ed reccomend? I need them to be non-earbuds, and comfortable to wear with glasses for as much as 3 hours. |
| 17:25.44 | Blazeflack | No but the function I'm hooking does |
| 17:25.55 | Neffi | Blazeflack: Only have the option? I seriously doubt there's NO other alternative. Quality why? |
| 17:26.04 | Blazeflack | It's calling code which causes the text based timer to show up unless I have it inside the OnUpdate |
| 17:26.20 | Neffi | Set font size to 1 |
| 17:26.25 | Neffi | scale to .0001 |
| 17:26.26 | Neffi | etc |
| 17:26.50 | Neffi | There's a dozen ways to hide things. Find something that doesn't involve doing it 60+ times per sec for each frame. |
| 17:27.12 | Neffi | You can even set text color to (0,0,0,0) which is 0 alpha, but separate from :SetAlpha |
| 17:27.36 | Blazeflack | I should note the function I'm hooking is not a blizzard function |
| 17:27.40 | Blazeflack | it's inside ElvUI |
| 17:27.47 | Neffi | Than you have no reason to assume taint |
| 17:28.12 | Neffi | local setalpha = frame.SetAlpha; frame.SetAlpha=fuction()end; -- now use setalpha for your own purposes |
| 17:28.17 | Neffi | :SetAlpha will no longer do anything |
| 17:28.52 | Neffi | (make sure to pass frame, ie `setalpha(frame,0/1)` not `setalpha(0/1)` |
| 17:29.24 | Neffi | Also I wonder why ElvUI forces things like that. And why not just fork his UI if you want to modify it? |
| 17:29.37 | Blazeflack | It's a plugin I'm working on |
| 17:30.28 | Blazeflack | http://pastebin.com/aGc06ydx is the function im hooking |
| 17:31.05 | Neffi | ugh |
| 17:31.34 | Neffi | I'm gonna curb my OCD and not point out all the bad practice in that code |
| 17:31.41 | Blazeflack | I just wanted to make sure it wouldn't cause issues for anyone |
| 17:31.43 | Neffi | but just hook SetAlpha with a noop |
| 17:31.55 | Neffi | The original function will think it succeeded |
| 17:31.56 | Neffi | but wait |
| 17:31.59 | Neffi | If anything, do this: |
| 17:32.37 | Neffi | frame.SetAlpha = function(self,alpha) self._myalpha = alpha or 0; end; frame.GetAlpha = function(self) return self._myalpha or 0; end; |
| 17:32.44 | Neffi | So if they check the alpha, they at least think it worked |
| 17:32.57 | Neffi | No chance of any problem if you do that |
| 17:33.31 | Blazeflack | I see. Thanks for the advice |
| 17:33.42 | Fisker | so bluspacecow |
| 17:33.43 | Fisker | why? |
| 17:33.51 | Blazeflack | I suppose the same goes if I wanted to use :Hide and :Show on frames in same function? |
| 17:33.57 | bluspacecow | idunnolol |
| 17:34.19 | Neffi | hook them, yeah |
| 17:34.25 | Neffi | tbh you really dont need to do what i just did |
| 17:34.34 | Neffi | but if you want to be extra cautious, that method would be it |
| 17:34.49 | Neffi | Or maybe just develop your own code |
| 17:35.09 | bluspacecow | http://www.isameme.com/12654/how-to-play-jenga |
| 17:35.15 | Fisker | why? |
| 17:35.28 | Neffi | Seriously, who calls out to format the time BEFORE comparing it, only to concatenate the number instead of just using :format to begin with? |
| 17:35.40 | Neffi | Not to mention, did he never learn how to case/switch? that if-then is ugly |
| 17:36.02 | TC-Work | Unkle: non-earbuds with glases is a difficult combo |
| 17:36.31 | Neffi | I wanna see :FormatTime. If he's rounding, I'm gonna be irritated. If he's actually :format'ing it, and then comparing it to a number, I'm gonna go total what.jpg |
| 17:36.42 | TC-Work | on ear cups as opposed to over ear is less than satisfying |
| 17:38.09 | Blazeflack | Thanks for your suggestions neffi. |
| 17:38.22 | Neffi | It's alright, I'm calm lol |
| 17:38.49 | Neffi | g'luck Blaze. Lemme know how it turns out. Depending on how strict the code gets with making sure things are set, you might need a different hack. |
| 17:39.44 | Neffi | I've actually gone through about 2 dozen methods of forcibly hiding stuff before making a library that just brute-force hides things using several methods at once. Blizzard's frame can be really picking about showing up again. |
| 17:39.52 | Neffi | So I have a little context with how annoying it is |
| 17:42.15 | Xinhuan | if you just unregister all events on those blizzard frames, then hide them, they almost never show up again :P |
| 17:42.29 | Xinhuan | so you don't really need a library lol |
| 17:42.32 | Unkle | TC-Work - yeah. I need to wear my glasses, but I need to be able to hear the playback/audio on things (like some video tutorials and online certification classes) without disturbing my coworkers. |
| 17:42.48 | Neffi | I do that. And all scripts. But other parts from FrameXML like to hard-code the behavior of the parts which don't belong to them. |
| 17:43.03 | Xinhuan | i guess so |
| 17:43.06 | Neffi | So I also did a lot of secure hooks, reparenting and another hack or two |
| 17:43.09 | Neffi | Just to be sure lol |
| 17:46.07 | TC-Work | Unkle: bah! well i can find some, but no can do on the reccomend. |
| 17:46.27 | Unkle | Thanks for looking. |
| 17:47.30 | durcyn | bah, what the hell did apple do to dscacheutil in 10.8, i've got stale results from two hours ago it won't drop |
| 17:49.19 | zenzelezz | is there any manual flush available? |
| 17:50.38 | durcyn | -flushcache is supposed to clear it, and once upon a time, did. |
| 17:50.50 | End_ | -flushcacheorelse |
| 17:50.57 | End_ | (if only) |
| 17:51.00 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 17:51.27 | End_ | I'm not sure how dscacheutil works, but might there be some sort of daemon you could restart? |
| 17:51.48 | End_ | (or really, I don't even know what it caches) |
| 17:52.02 | durcyn | apparently they moved unicast resolution into the multicast dns responder daemon? huh. |
| 17:52.08 | durcyn | End_: ds = directory services |
| 17:54.11 | End_ | googling shows an opendirectoryd being potentially responsible, but I'm really out of my element |
| 17:54.33 | durcyn | HUP'd mDNSResponder and it finally flushed |
| 17:54.37 | End_ | ah |
| 17:54.46 | durcyn | principle of least astonishment violated by one Apple Incorporated |
| 17:54.58 | End_ | it sounds like they moved stuff around |
| 17:55.14 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised they've not yet moved to -iHUP, -iKILL etc. |
| 17:55.19 | End_ | heh |
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| 18:08.18 | bluspacecow | 762+78 kb beta build. 16048 |
| 18:08.59 | End_ | I wonder if there will be a ui diff for this one or not |
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| 18:31.51 | Esamynn|work | End_: very minor, if any, would be my expectation |
| 18:32.44 | End_ | mine too |
| 18:33.50 | End_ | kd3 said he'd only send an email if there was an actual diff, so I guess if I don't get an email from him, I'll assume there wasn't any changes at all |
| 18:34.25 | TC-Work | right, but you still have to wait till he gets off work i suspect |
| 18:34.59 | End_ | true enough |
| 18:36.20 | Krapsy | so the eula shows up after a patch, i wasnt aware there was one |
| 18:36.27 | Krapsy | on live |
| 18:36.45 | bluspacecow | updated! |
| 18:40.02 | Amarande | hrm. I'm getting reports that all the separations we were promised/expected with the cross-realm zones aren't actually true? |
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| 18:40.31 | MysticalOS | separations? |
| 18:40.38 | foxlit | I'm endlessly amused at "getting reports" |
| 18:40.41 | Amarande | that (even though it was expected, although I don't think ever promised) we can be shunted to any data centre at all instead of just our local one (meaning we have to have reliable connections to *every* data centre now to quest, I guess ... I hope that West Coast DC issue doesn't come back) |
| 18:40.53 | MysticalOS | I do know, they ignored all my questions about adverse affects on pet/mount farming |
| 18:41.03 | Amarande | MysticalOS: it was pretty much promised that the four realm types would not share with one another on live |
| 18:41.11 | Amarande | and generally expected that sharing would be kept within datacentres |
| 18:41.12 | MysticalOS | seeing all 6 spots camped in deepholm from diff servers, and thinking "those poor bastards got shafted, their odds went down shitter" |
| 18:41.55 | End_ | I haven't heard anything about different realm types not getting seperated |
| 18:41.55 | Amarande | I am at least definitely hearing that RP servers are forced to share with non-RP now, which basically suggests that the idea of RP server play is now doomed |
| 18:41.55 | MysticalOS | i dunno, only thing ever saw promised was RP with RP, pve with pve, pvp with pvp, etc |
| 18:42.01 | MysticalOS | unless you were realid grouped |
| 18:42.08 | MysticalOS | then you'd merge into party leaders realm type |
| 18:42.12 | Amarande | and I'm also getting an indication that PvE and PvP servers may not be being properly separated either |
| 18:42.21 | MysticalOS | so if group leader pvp realm and ur pve, u still go to pvp cross realm |
| 18:42.25 | Amarande | which is *really* bad, since apparently the way that works is that host server type determines your rules cross realm |
| 18:42.42 | MysticalOS | i haven't done much esting |
| 18:42.44 | MysticalOS | testing* |
| 18:42.46 | Amarande | i.e., PvE player put on a PvP server (which will be very common indeed, since almost all the dead servers that need xrealm players are PvP) gets PvP flagged as if they were on a PvP server |
| 18:43.09 | Amarande | but ... doesn't that mean that ultimately the notion of a PvE server is endangered and eventually all we will have is "standard PvP"? |
| 18:43.16 | End_ | no |
| 18:43.27 | End_ | it probably means there is a bug or they didn't set it up right |
| 18:43.44 | Dagmar | Somehow I don't think the "randomly flagged for PvP while out watching birds" will stand for long |
| 18:44.32 | Amarande | and for that matter, letting PvE and PvP servers mix at all is a bad idea |
| 18:44.42 | Ressy | yup. |
| 18:44.45 | Amarande | any way you slice it, someone gets an unfair advantage out of it |
| 18:44.47 | End_ | shrugs. |
| 18:44.47 | Ressy | People roll on PvE for a reason. |
| 18:45.15 | Amarande | Either you end up with the PvP server players being faced with players who automatically get first strike on them (because the PvE player would keep their peaceful flag until they attack or flag) |
| 18:45.42 | Amarande | Or PvE server players who are forced to play PvP server style despite having specifically chosen PvE, and what Ressy said |
| 18:46.07 | End_ | if your home server is a pvp server, but you're "on" a pve server, you follow pve server rules |
| 18:46.19 | Amarande | and given that low level PvP still pretty much obeys the old halcyon days of "first strike wins", the first is not good either :) |
| 18:46.39 | End_ | but you should only see that happening with grouping |
| 18:46.42 | Krapsy | i dislike world pvp usually |
| 18:47.02 | Amarande | also apparently only Orgrimmar and Stormwind are actually considered "capital cities"? |
| 18:47.21 | Amarande | people are saying that Ironforge in particular is being shared |
| 18:47.37 | Esamynn|work | that does seem odd |
| 18:47.56 | nebula169 | i'm all for a silvermoon revival movement |
| 18:47.57 | Esamynn|work | but yes, they did promise to keep the various realm types apart |
| 18:48.04 | Krapsy | if suks sw4lyfe |
| 18:48.26 | Esamynn|work | was better than SW pre-flying |
| 18:49.09 | Amarande | RP with RP, though, is definitely not being kept |
| 18:49.18 | Esamynn|work | wierd |
| 18:49.19 | Amarande | non-RP servers are speaking of getting guests from Moon Guard |
| 18:49.34 | Motig | I'm trying to figure out why some spellid's won't work with GetSpellLink, does anyone have a clue what could be causing it? Example http://www.wowhead.com/spell=34221 or http://www.wowhead.com/spell=62830 |
| 18:49.46 | End_ | I'm going to go with not intentional |
| 18:49.52 | Esamynn|work | Motig: data for the spell not sync'd to client yet? |
| 18:50.10 | End_ | all the realms on the beta are shared because there is an extremely limited number of servers |
| 18:50.34 | End_ | and it seems quite possible it isn't working properly on live yet |
| 18:50.44 | Motig | oh that could make sense Esamynn|Away! |
| 18:51.18 | End_ | (there's other issues that weren't problems on the beta, like it telling you that you are relearning all your skills when you cross boundaries) |
| 18:51.26 | Motig | however the quest of one of the examples is a ashenvale quest so surely it should be there |
| 18:51.38 | Motig | and GetSpellInfo does work on them |
| 18:53.29 | Esamynn|work | spell information, like item information isn't pulled into the client's cache until it needs to be displayed to the user |
| 18:53.58 | Esamynn|work | so even seeing a link won't pull the info until you request the tooltip or call GetSpellInfo |
| 18:54.18 | Esamynn|work | and GetSpellInfo, while it will prompt a cache update, will return no info until the cache update it complete |
| 18:56.22 | Motig | alright that explains some things, cheers Esamynn|Away |
| 19:09.07 | Torhal|work | foxlit: I'm getting reports that you're endlessly amused. |
| 19:09.24 | foxlit | curse your vast network of reporting spies, Torhal! |
| 19:09.28 | Krapsy | reports are coming in |
| 19:09.36 | End_ | the reports are going out |
| 19:09.37 | Torhal|work | !!! |
| 19:09.41 | durcyn | Shadowed: you left a debug print in hideblizzard |
| 19:10.04 | Shadowed | so I did |
| 19:10.46 | Krapsy | what addon lets you move blizzard ui stuff around |
| 19:11.16 | Krapsy | im sure i had one before |
| 19:11.23 | Ressy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info21303-MoveAnythingMoP.html |
| 19:11.36 | End_ | move all the mops into the mop closet |
| 19:11.50 | Ressy | Original supported 4.3, author's not coming back, so said the 'fan update' is the official for now |
| 19:11.54 | Ressy | and linked to it |
| 19:12.49 | Krapsy | that only moves them in the setup mode, i think i was able to just drag any window |
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| 20:00.09 | Vladinator | hide yo programmers, because I am back and I will say positive things about PHP that will cause collateral damage! |
| 20:03.09 | Vladinator | :D |
| 20:06.59 | Unkle | PHP is vile. |
| 20:07.10 | Unkle | Did I hurt anyone's feelings? |
| 20:07.20 | Torhal|work | PHP is worse than vile. |
| 20:07.26 | Torhal|work | You merely said that because of lack of words. |
| 20:07.38 | Vladinator | I think you hurt more feelings if you praise PHP in any way LOL |
| 20:08.10 | Semlar | haters gonna hate |
| 20:08.35 | znf | I'm gonna ask here, too |
| 20:08.41 | znf | Can someone give me a hand with this macro? |
| 20:08.43 | znf | /cast [exists,harm,noraid,nodead]Shadow Word: Pain;[@mouseover,harm,exists,noraid]Shadow Word: Death;[help,group]Leap of Faith;[@mouseover,exists,help,group]Leap of Faith;Twilight Drake |
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| 20:09.06 | znf | it worked fine pre-patch, now I get "I don't have a target" when I try to use it on a mouseover |
| 20:09.17 | Vladinator | 1. "nodead" check means the target is not dead (so you know) |
| 20:09.22 | Semlar | have you tried putting mouseover first |
| 20:09.37 | Vladinator | unless you have a @ then nodead checks the unit in question |
| 20:10.05 | Torhal|work | Have you tried telekinesis? |
| 20:10.17 | znf | Semlar, that's not what I want - I want to use SWP on the target if I have one selected |
| 20:10.34 | znf | puting @mouseover first would just cast SWD over and over |
| 20:10.42 | znf | Oh, wait. I just realized what it's wrong there |
| 20:10.53 | Semlar | okay, but it's not going to cast on your mouse over if you have a target the way it is |
| 20:10.55 | znf | SWD can't be used on targets over 20% |
| 20:12.20 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.21 | Amarande | it can't? I thought the only restriction on SWD was that if it didn't kill the target, you took the damage too |
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| 20:18.15 | znf | Amarande, not anymore, unless you glyph it |
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| 20:43.26 | Vladinator | watch frame whines it's tainted |
| 20:43.35 | Vladinator | I search ALL global variables it declares and no matches |
| 20:43.48 | Vladinator | none of my addons use any watch frame vars or references it :P |
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| 20:58.42 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 20:58.49 | jnwhiteh | Adys: pong |
| 20:58.50 | sintAcks | blizzard likes to blame random addons, Vladinator |
| 20:59.09 | Vladinator | ^^ |
| 20:59.14 | Vladinator | thing is |
| 20:59.24 | Vladinator | none of my installed addons directly affects the watch frame |
| 20:59.33 | Vladinator | no reference to WatchFrame or any of it's used globals at all :D |
| 20:59.44 | Vladinator | so not sure how to fix it from breaking lol :p |
| 20:59.55 | Vladinator | the quest items get ui action block thingy |
| 21:00.07 | sintAcks | I have an addon that all it does, is put a dark texture over the whole screen when afk... that gets blamed for all kinds of shit |
| 21:00.34 | Torhal|work | ...o.O |
| 21:01.57 | sintAcks | gets blamed for glyph frame even though it doesn't even use _. gets blamed for trying to hide/show default raid frames while in combat, when i'm not even in combat. can't think of anything else |
| 21:02.32 | TC-Work | Vladinator: you say none of your addons affect it, if you disable your addons do you still ahve the issue? |
| 21:02.38 | TC-Work | have* |
| 21:02.44 | sintAcks | blizzard will just go and blame another addon |
| 21:04.23 | Vladinator | TC-Work: I just mean at least the taintlog should try help me out here, whining that watch frame is tainted so it's unable to perform secure actions but not really providing any info that I can use to pinpoint the core of the issue :P |
| 21:04.33 | Amarande | yeah, like for some reason Fishing Buddy kept getting blamed for taint when I tried to jump into 5.0.4 with my existing UI at the time |
| 21:04.37 | Vladinator | that's what I meant, I took what clues it gave me and still haven't found anything :3 |
| 21:06.37 | sintAcks | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.19 | sintAcks | v 0.. |
| 21:08.22 | Vladinator | qwesaw ? |
| 21:08.25 | sintAcks | er |
| 21:08.27 | sintAcks | lol |
| 21:08.30 | sintAcks | was cleaning keyboard |
| 21:08.39 | Stanzilla | I facepalm everytime Vladinator goes online in wow |
| 21:08.43 | Stanzilla | worst character names eu man |
| 21:08.45 | durcyn | clean your keyboard in another channel imo |
| 21:09.55 | g0urra | I clean it in the notepad.exe channel |
| 21:10.22 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 21:10.24 | Amarande | CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED |
| 21:10.30 | Mr_Rabies | it's insane how antisocial the idiots on the wow forums are |
| 21:10.33 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6490600728#2 |
| 21:13.04 | znf | It's even more insane that they didn't read the fact that x-realm zones won't be enabled for MoP zones... |
| 21:14.10 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: http://i.imgur.com/whpOQ.jpg |
| 21:17.24 | durcyn | Mr_Rabies: it is actually pretty awful for herb/ore/cloth farming |
| 21:18.16 | Amarande | hm, did something big come out on steam today? |
| 21:18.21 | Amarande | or this week? |
| 21:18.38 | Amarande | I'm having even small games like old id titles pass through a bit of "update suspended" before finishing |
| 21:18.57 | Amarande | which apparently is indicative of congestion at steam's servers |
| 21:19.41 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it is for now durcyn, but nodes spawn based on number of people in the area |
| 21:19.48 | Mr_Rabies | the spawn rate |
| 21:19.55 | Mr_Rabies | they can always modify that number |
| 21:19.58 | Amarande | Or is it just all the college kids getting back to school and restoring their games collection now that they don't have to worry about craptastic monthly caps at home like they did over the summer in the USA? :) |
| 21:20.00 | durcyn | Amarande: most of those have been the GCF format conversion |
| 21:20.37 | Amarande | GCF format conversion? |
| 21:20.57 | Amarande | durcyn: for cloth at least, there's always farming appropriately-leveled instances with a high level character |
| 21:21.59 | Amarande | (and if you're an engineer, for instance, you're going to be farming those instances a lot anyway, heh) |
| 21:22.02 | Vladinator | can I define SetAllPoints with XML? |
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| 21:23.21 | Torhal|work | Vladinator: ? |
| 21:23.34 | Vladinator | you know, frame:SetAllPoints(frame2) |
| 21:23.36 | Vladinator | only with xml :p |
| 21:23.57 | Primer | Vladinator: I suggest doing everything programatically and forget XML altogether |
| 21:24.01 | Torhal|work | Dunno, I don't use XMl. |
| 21:24.09 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 21:24.13 | Vladinator | why? :( |
| 21:24.15 | End_ | You can, I'm pretty sure, but I haven't touched xml in a while |
| 21:24.19 | Primer | because XML is stupid |
| 21:24.33 | Vladinator | not when you copy a template and tweak it for your purpose |
| 21:24.35 | Vladinator | saves me hours :P |
| 21:24.43 | Torhal|work | XML is overly-verbose and I'm pretty sure the only reason Blizzard uses it is because they have an in-house UI-drawing tool. |
| 21:25.06 | Vladinator | wish it got leaked |
| 21:25.16 | Vladinator | why can't hackers ever hack the good stuff? always gotta steal passwords and mails |
| 21:25.17 | Torhal|work | Vladinator: Translate the template into Lua. Don't use it as a CreateFrame template |
| 21:25.22 | Vladinator | steal us some UI editor or something :P |
| 21:25.34 | Dagmar | That's a job for pirates, who are doing quite well at it. |
| 21:25.35 | Torhal|work | Make it CreateWhateverTheHellTheTemplateIs() |
| 21:25.45 | Vladinator | I rarely use xml myself |
| 21:26.04 | Dagmar | The first step is admitting you have a problem. |
| 21:26.27 | Torhal|work | The second step is to not fix it with a regexp. |
| 21:26.55 | durcyn | I thought the third step was lighting XML on fire? |
| 21:27.01 | Dagmar | You definitely wouldn't want to fix XML with a regexp. |
| 21:27.02 | durcyn | maybe i have things out of order. |
| 21:27.34 | Dagmar | There are much easier ways of accidentally bringing about the computing singularity. |
| 21:27.52 | Dagmar | A regexp that can parse XML dangerously close to being self-aware for that much work. |
| 21:28.03 | Dagmar | s/XML/XMl would be/ |
| 21:28.15 | Cairenn|afk | Ackis: heh |
| 21:28.35 | End_ | XML isn't regular anyway ;-p |
| 21:28.47 | End_ | I mean that in both the technical sense and non-technical |
| 21:29.15 | Dagmar | TIL why you don't make jokes about "coming cybernetic overlords" in front of certain shall we say "sheltered" managers. |
| 21:30.28 | xyphoid | you make jokes about coming cybernetic overlords so that when the cybernetic overlords take over they can grep the logs and install you as a trusted minion |
| 21:31.00 | Dagmar | Well, that's not terribly far from what I said in a meeting a few months back acutally |
| 21:31.34 | xyphoid | (it's the new pascal's wager) |
| 21:34.34 | Dagmar | Well, considering I've been told more than once that my computer usage is more akin to worship than study, it's a joke that perhaps I've gotten too good at making |
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| 21:41.53 | sintAcks | http://puu.sh/12ETr |
| 21:41.59 | sintAcks | i got that when mousing over a buff, out of combat |
| 21:42.27 | Torhal|work | Well, yes - you can't change frames during combat. Duh. |
| 21:42.29 | Torhal|work | :D |
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| 21:43.08 | Torhal|work | Do that shit as soon as PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED fires |
| 21:43.17 | Torhal|work | (that's just before combat lockdown) |
| 21:43.52 | foxlit | can't tell if joking |
| 21:44.01 | foxlit | or didn't finish reading. |
| 21:46.49 | sintAcks | tor... it's doing it out of combat. |
| 21:47.12 | sintAcks | 4 minutes after combat ended |
| 21:47.15 | sintAcks | for that example |
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| 21:50.41 | Torhal|work | foxlit: I finished reading. I simply failed to parse properly. |
| 21:50.56 | Torhal|work | Sintacks: Is that the default Lua error frame? |
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| 21:51.46 | mckenziemc | hey Torhal |
| 21:51.52 | Torhal|work | No, mckenziemc. |
| 21:51.55 | Torhal|work | Just no. |
| 21:52.26 | mckenziemc | hey anyway Torhal |
| 21:53.22 | Torhal|work | Yola |
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| 22:12.30 | Vladinator | holding out for a hero :3 |
| 22:12.45 | Tuller | poop |
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| 22:13.39 | Vladinator | shapoopi is fun too |
| 22:15.18 | Jamash | Torhal|work: you only live ance? |
| 22:17.13 | mckenziemc | pours ants down Jamash's pants. |
| 22:17.47 | End_ | why would you do that to those poor ants |
| 22:18.24 | Jamash | I for one welcome our cyberinsectoid overlords |
| 22:18.29 | Humbedooh | aspergers maybe? |
| 22:18.47 | Humbedooh | or asparagus |
| 22:19.01 | End_ | asparagus burgers |
| 22:19.01 | Jamash | or asparagers |
| 22:21.00 | mckenziemc | disparages Humbedooh |
| 22:21.20 | TC-Work | I see torchlight 2 has a release date, that's good |
| 22:21.33 | End_ | and it's still technically summer |
| 22:21.38 | End_ | ;-p |
| 22:21.40 | xyphoid | too much stuff coming out :( |
| 22:21.47 | End_ | yeah there is a bunch all at once |
| 22:21.57 | TC-Work | xyphoid: no one says you have to play it right away |
| 22:22.29 | xyphoid | co-op stuff is better to play at release though :( |
| 22:22.42 | TC-Work | bah co-op. I hate people |
| 22:22.43 | mckenziemc | no one says you have to be allowed to live TC-Work |
| 22:22.46 | xyphoid | yes yes first world problems |
| 22:22.52 | xyphoid | stupid golden age of gaming |
| 22:22.52 | Kraps | to use steam with wow do i have to point the launcher at steam? |
| 22:23.02 | TC-Work | and yet here i am mckenziemc |
| 22:23.13 | mckenziemc | but for how long? |
| 22:24.05 | Humbedooh | forevah |
| 22:26.31 | TC-Work | long than you mckenziemc |
| 22:26.37 | TC-Work | thats all that matters |
| 22:27.31 | Kraps | ~alert |
| 22:27.31 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 22:27.37 | Kraps | uh |
| 22:27.41 | End_ | ~wowalert |
| 22:27.42 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 22:27.50 | End_ | is that what you wanted |
| 22:28.36 | Kraps | yes |
| 22:28.54 | Kraps | but now i need the server list |
| 22:32.56 | Kraps | "When I logged out an back in like 10mins later to check KT an its battle group were removed from the listing as playable servers." |
| 22:33.01 | Kraps | weeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 22:33.12 | Kraps | oh its back |
| 22:33.29 | Kemayo | Weirdly, I just got chat-spam about getting a number of my skills relearned. https://gist.github.com/3660920 |
| 22:35.32 | End_ | welcome to cross realm zones |
| 22:35.39 | Kraps | great, friend goldspam has migrated from D3 to wow |
| 22:37.31 | Primer | People still play D3? |
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| 22:40.11 | nilyaK | people still play d2. |
| 22:42.19 | Kraps | hey everyone in the friends list now has a number next to their name |
| 22:43.09 | nilyaK | like Kaylin#dddd |
| 22:44.27 | Kraps | no silly |
| 22:44.46 | nilyaK | :( |
| 22:44.51 | Kraps | uh |
| 22:45.01 | Kraps | theres 2 of everyone |
| 22:45.13 | nilyaK | maybe it could be fixedby relogging |
| 22:45.15 | Kraps | labeled 1 or 2 |
| 22:45.57 | Kraps | that did it |
| 22:46.21 | Kraps | this is whack |
| 22:46.23 | Kraps | Wintergrasp and Tol Barad are so messed up I can't believe you guys actually allowed this to go live. We've won Wintergrasp, but yet didn't get credit and it went to Alliance control because evidently one of the cross realm servers my server is linked with has their Wintergrasp start 5 minutes later and is somehow overriding what happens on my server. |
| 22:46.57 | nilyaK | ugh |
| 22:47.10 | nilyaK | yea some stuff being xrealm makes little sense to me |
| 22:47.15 | nilyaK | like fishing contests |
| 22:47.17 | xyphoid | crossrealm wintergrasp? awesome |
| 22:47.40 | nilyaK | now we can still have all 2 alliance that play on pvp servers vs 2 horde |
| 22:48.21 | mckenziemc | tickles nilyaK cross-realm |
| 22:48.34 | Jamash | why did nobody tell me that Murray's in Tales of Monkey Island??? |
| 22:48.35 | Vladinator | type /dump GetBattlegroundInfo(5) and read the description of the CTF3 BG :P "This new map has yet to be created. Horde guys, go beat up those Alliance jerks." |
| 22:48.41 | Kraps | no response from blizz yet |
| 22:49.23 | nilyaK | teases mckenziemc with risqué rogue pictures. |
| 22:49.31 | mckenziemc | :O |
| 22:49.40 | Unkle | Oh, baby, those ... daggers. |
| 22:49.56 | nilyaK | I want to slide them into your body... or something >_> |
| 22:50.00 | Sintacks | Out of fucking combat for 10 minutes and try to send a tell: http://puu.sh/12G1M |
| 22:50.04 | Sintacks | blizzard fucking sucks cock |
| 22:50.43 | mckenziemc | maybe you should stop offering it |
| 22:50.54 | Sintacks | it's not going to suck itself |
| 22:50.55 | nilyaK | but are all alternate server versions out of combat? perhaps there's another version of you in an alternate universe that is in combat or dead or pk'd or forever a gnome death knight. |
| 22:51.20 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 22:53.02 | Sintacks | stop smoking crack, nilyaK |
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| 22:53.42 | Unkle | have you considered that the addon you're using is ... broken? |
| 22:54.12 | Sintacks | blizzard's code is broken |
| 22:54.20 | Sintacks | and blaming random, unrelated addons |
| 22:54.20 | Esamynn|work | really not |
| 22:54.37 | Esamynn|work | more likely, an addon is misbehaving |
| 22:54.43 | kd3 | just got home, new patch, bleh |
| 22:54.57 | kd3 | starts the beta to actually patch up... |
| 22:55.02 | Jamash | it's impossible to determine which addon is ultimately responsible for behavior you know |
| 22:55.19 | Esamynn|work | I wouldn't say "impossible" |
| 22:55.28 | Jamash | in general |
| 22:55.28 | mckenziemc | Esamynn|work: more likely, blizzard's code is easy to break |
| 22:55.37 | Jamash | in specific cases, yes, but the way taint works, not in general |
| 22:55.51 | kd3 | hell, look at blizz code wrong and it's broken |
| 22:55.52 | kd3 | sighs |
| 22:55.57 | Esamynn|work | mckenziemc: I would agree, it is often far more brittle than it should be |
| 22:56.12 | Unkle | At least they didn't decide to do away with AddOns entirely at 2.0. |
| 22:56.27 | Esamynn|work | they don't seem to pay any attention to making stuff taint resistant until we raise issues |
| 22:56.48 | Jamash | addon A taints variable X, addon B triggers code path W that uses variable X which taints variable Y, addon C triggers code path V that uses variable Y, what addon does the taint system blame? |
| 22:57.12 | Jamash | I guess it could just list every addon you have installed, would that make you happier? |
| 22:57.49 | Jamash | Esamynn|work: making the code taint resistant is not their priority |
| 22:58.01 | Esamynn|work | that was kinda my point |
| 22:58.09 | Jamash | you're saying it like it should be |
| 22:58.20 | Jamash | it's not and it's not going to be |
| 22:58.23 | kd3 | it'd be nice if they took more of a look at it |
| 22:58.26 | Jamash | yes |
| 22:58.35 | Jamash | there are a lot of things that would be nice :) |
| 22:58.59 | Esamynn|work | and there are plenty of examples where they have made changes to harden their stuff |
| 22:59.01 | Ressy | "Holy Shock nerfed at lower levels. Shockadin rage incoming. " |
| 22:59.09 | Sintacks | lolz |
| 22:59.10 | Ressy | GC has twitter now. |
| 22:59.15 | kd3 | hahaha |
| 22:59.17 | Sintacks | still need to nerf rogue ambush in the 10s bracket |
| 22:59.26 | Sintacks | Ressy, link |
| 22:59.33 | Sintacks | or name. |
| 22:59.57 | nilyaK | nerf rogues in all brackets, I play a rogue so I laugh when people are like qq rogues suck now RIGHT? RIGHT? RIGHT? RIGHT? I'm like sorry I didn't notice. |
| 23:00.23 | Jamash | I think the game would have been better without rogues |
| 23:01.23 | Gnarfoz | Sintacks: @GregTStreet |
| 23:02.55 | kd3 | emails out |
| 23:03.10 | Gnarfoz | emails in |
| 23:03.47 | Ressy | err, sorry. missed your msg |
| 23:04.41 | Gnarfoz | kd3: am I reading that right |
| 23:04.48 | Gnarfoz | -local presenceID, presenceName, battleTag, isBattleTagPresence, toonName, toonID, client, isOnline = BNGetFriendInfo(selectedFriend); |
| 23:04.52 | Gnarfoz | +local presenceID, presenceName, battleTag, isBattleTagPresence, toonName, toonID, client; |
| 23:04.55 | Gnarfoz | +presenceID, presenceName, battleTag, isBattleTagPresence, toonName, toonID, client, isOnline = BNGetFriendInfo(selectedFriend); |
| 23:04.56 | Sintacks | GC needs to get verified |
| 23:04.58 | Gnarfoz | did they leak "isOnline" as a global now |
| 23:05.18 | Gnarfoz | or is it localized somewhere outside of the diff... |
| 23:07.00 | Gnarfoz | ah, that's inside an if, probably outside of it |
| 23:07.06 | Gnarfoz | (at least that'd be the logical thing) |
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| 23:10.54 | nilyaK | I like rogues in terms of being included in the game, but I imagine most don't for pvp. In pve they're fine as a concept but in PvP stealth seems really broken |
| 23:11.19 | Archarodim | Does anyone actually knows what is causing the tainting of WorldMapBlobFrame:Show()? |
| 23:11.52 | Jamash | I still can't get the taint log to appear at all |
| 23:13.04 | Esamynn|work | Archarodim: why would taint have any effect whatsoever on that frame? |
| 23:14.03 | Jamash | I just realized a goblin on a mechano-hog isn't tall enough to see over the handlebars |
| 23:14.43 | Archarodim | apparently it's a protected function while in combat |
| 23:15.16 | Archarodim | I recaived at least ten reports like "AddOn "Decursive" tried to call the protected function "WorldMapBlobFrame:Show()""" |
| 23:15.51 | Archarodim | and many other add-ons get blamed too |
| 23:16.21 | nilyaK | has been sitting at 0% for 75 minutes in the launcher. this progress bar is still broken right? |
| 23:16.43 | Vladinator | how can I do it so my frame can detect when I push keys (but the frame is not in focus, it's just in the background) ? |
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| 23:21.43 | foxlit | Esamynn|Away: blobs are weird. Dunno why. |
| 23:26.08 | MysticalOS | i haven't seen that taint in a long time to be honest |
| 23:26.13 | MysticalOS | i remember seeing it a lot in wrath |
| 23:26.18 | MysticalOS | or maybe early cata, forget which |
| 23:26.36 | nilyaK | recommends laying down with a hand mirror, it works best. |
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| 23:27.11 | Archarodim | it seems to be rare |
| 23:34.41 | Kraps | 350k damage in 5 execute hits |
| 23:34.54 | Kraps | awesome |
| 23:40.18 | Shadowed | MysticalOS you there |
| 23:40.37 | MysticalOS | yeah |
| 23:41.35 | Shadowed | MysticalOS: Is the power issue recent in the latest alpha |
| 23:41.46 | MysticalOS | yes |
| 23:41.50 | Shadowed | well fuck |
| 23:41.54 | MysticalOS | using the very latest build, on both my mage and warrior i tested |
| 23:41.56 | MysticalOS | the bar itself updates |
| 23:42.02 | MysticalOS | but the number doesn't move |
| 23:42.12 | Shadowed | Wait the number or the color? |
| 23:42.14 | MysticalOS | my oom mage is showing 100% mana 100.0/100.ok |
| 23:42.26 | MysticalOS | the power bar works |
| 23:42.31 | MysticalOS | the text on it doesn't update anymore |
| 23:42.33 | Stanzilla | znf has the same problem |
| 23:42.57 | MysticalOS | i need the precise text on warrior though cause i need exact numbers for making sure i have 60 rage for a shield barrier |
| 23:43.19 | MysticalOS | on mage i can kinda live with just a bar |
| 23:44.07 | MysticalOS | maybe the text display update is only in onupdate and not getting updated by UNIT_POWER_FREQUENT? |
| 23:45.40 | Archarodim | ahh and if I enable /console taint 2 I get FrameXML\UIDropDownMenu.lua:1021: attempt to concatenate global "UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_LEVEL" (a userdata value) |
| 23:46.02 | MysticalOS | that one can die in a fire |
| 23:46.23 | MysticalOS | mapster doesn't like that one bit heh |
| 23:48.08 | Vladinator | me to Archarodim ;) |
| 23:48.19 | Vladinator | btw if I do PVPFrameLeftButton:Hide() is the PVPFrame now broken taint wise? :P lol |
| 23:49.30 | Archarodim | The MOP beta client seems no longer to be affected by this bug though |
| 23:49.45 | znf | Yes, I have the same issue |
| 23:50.22 | znf | Shadowed, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z__27LrFhIo |
| 23:50.47 | znf | it randomly updates whenever it feels like it |
| 23:51.04 | znf | You can see the target of target works every time |
| 23:52.08 | Archarodim | yeah this seems to be fixed in WoW 5.0.5 |
| 23:52.45 | Archarodim | (I mean the /console taintlog 2 bug) |
| 23:53.01 | znf | I also tried to enable/disable the quick-power setting, didn't really do anything :-/ |
| 23:53.19 | MysticalOS | i randomly get strupper errors just from hitting / |
| 23:53.22 | MysticalOS | i've yet to figure out cause of that |
| 23:53.28 | MysticalOS | it just says chat frame |
| 23:56.34 | Stanzilla | I had that happen too |
