| 00:01.14 | znf | I'm quite annoyed actually |
| 00:01.20 | znf | you get pandaren artifact |
| 00:01.22 | znf | s |
| 00:01.29 | znf | and you create a box with non-pandaren artifacts |
| 00:01.32 | znf | ?!!? |
| 00:21.05 | End_ | opinion time: creature id or npc id |
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| 00:24.34 | Torhal | …for? |
| 00:24.50 | Semlar | in a fight i'd say the creature id would probably win |
| 00:25.02 | End_ | they're the same thing |
| 00:25.14 | Torhal | Tell that to Varian. |
| 00:25.20 | End_ | usually we call them npc ids, but blizzard's code calls them creature ids |
| 00:25.37 | Torhal | I stick with conventional nomenclature. |
| 00:25.38 | End_ | I'm going with creature id since it looks better as :IteratePetIdsByCreatureId I think |
| 00:25.55 | Semlar | i use npcID |
| 00:25.59 | Torhal | Id makes me woozy. ID FTW. |
| 00:26.00 | End_ | hmmm |
| 00:26.08 | Semlar | because it's shorter |
| 00:26.27 | Semlar | and also i don't consider humanoids creatures |
| 00:26.33 | End_ | this code will never get pushed because I can't decide what to name this function |
| 00:26.41 | Torhal | Iterate thingID by arbitraryID |
| 00:26.46 | Torhal | :D |
| 00:26.47 | End_ | hehe |
| 00:27.11 | Semlar | just do what i do and start naming them after futurama characters |
| 00:27.30 | End_ | IterateBenderByPlanetExpressShip |
| 00:27.41 | Torhal | Naming libraries insanely is one thing (LibQTip for me), but API methods? Bah. |
| 00:27.46 | znf | End_, IntaratePetIdsByID |
| 00:27.47 | znf | ... |
| 00:27.50 | znf | Iterate* |
| 00:28.00 | End_ | There's species id and npc/creature id |
| 00:28.12 | Torhal | IncarcerateZnfByStarAlignment() |
| 00:28.22 | End_ | there's also display id but I'm not adding a function for that |
| 00:28.45 | Semlar | ICouldntDecideWhatToCallThis() |
| 00:28.54 | znf | Moo() |
| 00:29.06 | Torhal | How many iterators do you need, honestly? Why not IteratePetIDs() then have CreatureIDFromPetID() |
| 00:29.49 | Torhal | Granted, I have no idea on your design... |
| 00:30.19 | End_ | I was tempted to not add the those two iterators for that very reason |
| 00:31.22 | Torhal | If it's an edge-case thing, let the lib user write their own iterator. |
| 00:31.25 | Torhal | shrugs. |
| 00:32.26 | End_ | I think getting all pets for a particular species or npc is generally pretty useful |
| 00:32.51 | End_ | particularly for checking to see if you own a certain pet already |
| 00:33.07 | End_ | I will sleep on it |
| 00:33.12 | End_ | not now though |
| 00:33.16 | End_ | it's too early to sleep |
| 00:33.34 | Torhal | Heh |
| 00:33.46 | mckenziemc | sticks a cannonball between End_'s mattresses |
| 00:34.38 | End_ | fires mckenziemc into the sun. |
| 00:35.12 | Torhal | Poor Sun. |
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| 00:57.49 | znf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOtuXV_SQik |
| 00:57.52 | znf | That only took me 2 hours! |
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| 01:38.16 | pompy | so what was the , probably not so important, update to the blizzard launcher today? |
| 01:38.35 | Torhal | They're in ur tower, loggin' ur keyz. |
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| 01:39.01 | mckenziemc | backdates Torhal. |
| 01:39.13 | Torhal | postmarks mckenziemc. |
| 01:39.46 | pompy | sigh |
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| 01:48.24 | kd3 | so, what just happened up in quebec? |
| 01:50.34 | Arrowmaster | something happened in quebec? |
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| 01:50.48 | kd3 | there was a newsflash on fark |
| 01:50.58 | kd3 | "PQ government elected in Quebec. Everyone take a valium" |
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| 01:53.02 | mckenziemc | Ackis just happened in Quebec |
| 01:54.37 | kd3 | in other news... 390ish gear for jp is doing wonderful things to my average item level a few weeks before the next expansion opens up |
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| 01:55.16 | TC-Work | pompy: were you actually expecting a coherent answer here? |
| 01:55.24 | End_ | huh "Quebec separatists win election, say TV networks" |
| 01:56.08 | TC-Work | mckenziemc and Torhal need to get a room and go at it like an 18 and 30 year old |
| 01:56.42 | mckenziemc | you just want some entertainment |
| 01:56.58 | mckenziemc | sicko |
| 01:58.11 | pompy | TC-Work: maybe |
| 01:58.50 | pompy | kd3: "Quebec separatists win election, say TV networks" http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCABRE8830WV20120905 |
| 01:59.00 | pompy | woops |
| 01:59.01 | Torhal | TC-Work: No, someone just needs to break mckenziemc's emote fingers. |
| 01:59.07 | pompy | End_ beat me to it! |
| 02:00.17 | mckenziemc | Torhal: umad? |
| 02:00.32 | Torhal | mckenziemc: Not even close, Fisker. |
| 02:01.17 | TC-Work | question, can a 32-bit program on a 64-bit machine use more than 4gb of ram? or is that not a program limitation |
| 02:02.41 | TC-Work | nvm, found zee answer |
| 02:02.55 | pompy | http://superuser.com/questions/442201/what-happens-when-a-32-bit-program-running-on-an-64-bit-machine-hits-the-memor |
| 02:02.58 | pompy | doh |
| 02:02.59 | End_ | pompy: yeah but you actually gave a link |
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| 02:09.46 | Torhal | Busted. http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/tickets/1494-new-recipes/ |
| 02:10.23 | Torhal | This one is just funny. http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/tickets/1493-ackis-recipe-mod-scan-not-working/ |
| 02:11.14 | pompy | Fisker: go after that user! He's within your proximity! |
| 02:11.59 | mckenziemc | *yawn* |
| 02:13.03 | pompy | locks mckenziemc's arms and let's Torhal get some hits in! |
| 02:13.20 | mckenziemc | let us Torhal? no thanks |
| 02:13.39 | pompy | :O |
| 02:13.43 | Torhal | ~fail pompy |
| 02:13.43 | purl | pompy: FAIL! |
| 02:14.34 | pompy | lets let's lets let's lets let's lets let's lets let's lets let's |
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| 02:15.14 | pompy | ~jab Torhal |
| 02:15.14 | purl | ACTION jabs a fork in Torhal |
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| 02:38.02 | Maldivia | *yawn* |
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| 03:23.13 | Cairenn | Ackis, Esamynn - you guys ready for more separatist referendums again? |
| 03:23.26 | Esamynn | oh fuck, really? |
| 03:23.30 | Ackis | Cairenn: let them leave :D |
| 03:23.51 | Cairenn | Parti Quebecois just voted back in, yup |
| 03:23.56 | Esamynn | Ackis: you know it's not that easy :P |
| 03:24.08 | Esamynn | I wish like hell it were, but it wouldn't be |
| 03:24.12 | alestane | That was the common thread, the Candians, okay. |
| 03:24.12 | Ackis | Cairenn, Esamynn: http://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/zc9cq/important_message_to_the_rest_of_canada_before/ interesting read |
| 03:24.16 | alestane | sp* |
| 03:24.38 | Ackis | Esamynn: I know it's not that easy, but it'd be nice to stop subsidizing them |
| 03:24.42 | alestane | For a moment, I was wondering if the Ace community was threatening to secede from Curse or something. |
| 03:25.06 | DefectiveUser | Hoping someone here is familiar with state drivers :) |
| 03:25.30 | DefectiveUser | I've been experimenting a bit and so far I am able to create a button that responds to conditionals in combat. The simplest way I've found is to change the action attribute of the button when the conditional changes. But I feel like this is overly cumbersome. It seems like I should be able to pre-set all the button actions, something like (only an example) SetAttribute(“action-stance1”, 2); SetAttribute(“action-stance2”, |
| 03:25.30 | DefectiveUser | 3); and once the state driver registers a change, the appropriate action should be taken. |
| 03:25.40 | DefectiveUser | So far I have not found a way to make this happen. Is it possible, or is my working method the right way to do it? |
| 03:26.36 | Semlar | you mean you want the action to fire automatically? |
| 03:26.39 | Cairenn | If they want to leave that badly, France has soil just 2,500 km away |
| 03:26.47 | Arrowmaster | im still laughing at this http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/zcn90/got_cussedout_today_because_i_wouldnt_pay_for_a/c63lnbi?context=4 |
| 03:27.15 | Arrowmaster | and i read it like 5 minutes ago |
| 03:27.20 | DefectiveUser | Semlar: Not exactly, not talking automation here. When the user hits a key, or clicks the button, it should respond according to the current state of a macro conditional |
| 03:27.21 | alestane | The old method of choosing attributes based on conditionals was to remap the button based on state to some virtual button. |
| 03:27.57 | alestane | And then the button selected the attribute value based on the virtual button used. |
| 03:28.32 | alestane | Now, it's designed around the idea that state drivers can just modify attributes when states change. |
| 03:28.33 | DefectiveUser | yup, I've used that method before in older addons |
| 03:28.36 | Arrowmaster | DefectiveUser: you can set the type to macrotext and just basically write a big macro for the button |
| 03:30.19 | alestane | You can use macrotext to resolve the action when the button is clicked, or you can use the RegisterAttributeDriver function. |
| 03:30.22 | DefectiveUser | See, I've figured out the concept of state drivers. The test script registers a state driver to determin stance, which I understand updates, in this case, state-stance |
| 03:30.32 | DefectiveUser | that also triggers _onstate-stance |
| 03:31.02 | DefectiveUser | now, right now I have _onstate-stance doing a GetAttribute on state-stance |
| 03:31.30 | alestane | The RegisterAttributeDriver allows you to just change the relevant attribute automatically based on the conditional evaluation, without having to go through the song and dance of state triggers. |
| 03:31.48 | DefectiveUser | and taking action accordingly, in this case it changes the button attribute for which action button it hits when pressed |
| 03:32.35 | DefectiveUser | correct alestane, thats what I am after |
| 03:32.47 | DefectiveUser | the idea is that it should change based on the conditional |
| 03:33.18 | DefectiveUser | what I am having trouble with is the idea that I can't pre-set what the button does for each conditional state |
| 03:33.34 | DefectiveUser | this seems wrong to me, like I have missed something |
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| 03:34.33 | alestane | So for instance, you can just call [[ RegisterAttributeDriver(frame, "spell", "[form:1] Demoralizing Roar; [form:3] Swipe") ]] |
| 03:35.08 | alestane | WHile the exact names may not be valid any more, this accomplishes the swap in one line of code. |
| 03:36.35 | alestane | After that point, the state driver system is responsible for updating the button's spell attribute. |
| 03:37.05 | alestane | If you want it to evaluate the conditionals only when the button is triggered, the macrotext route is the way to go. |
| 03:38.42 | Thunder_Child | I dunno Fisker, the season pass is being publish by not 2k games |
| 03:38.59 | DefectiveUser | I was not aware of RegisterAttributeDriver, trying to look up more info on it, thank you alestane. |
| 03:39.30 | alestane | !api RegisterAttributeDriver |
| 03:39.31 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'RegisterAttributeDriver'. |
| 03:39.36 | alestane | Wow, really? |
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| 03:39.48 | alestane | It's been in since some time in LK. |
| 03:40.06 | Torhal | !api Register |
| 03:40.07 | lua_bot | Found 18 possible matches for 'Register'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 03:41.07 | DefectiveUser | last time I wrote an action bar mod was before LK, this is a new project |
| 03:41.21 | alestane | That comment was more about the fact that it's undocumented. |
| 03:41.36 | DefectiveUser | yes, I am not turning up much on it |
| 03:42.00 | Semlar | the secure stuff is pretty scarcely documented |
| 03:42.07 | DefectiveUser | in fact, it's failed to cross my radar until now, and I do have some rather exhaustive referance material on state drivers |
| 03:42.54 | DefectiveUser | well its referanced in the unpacked interface code |
| 03:42.59 | DefectiveUser | will take a look there |
| 03:44.17 | Semlar | it appears to be defined in framexml |
| 03:44.27 | DefectiveUser | interesting that other addons that perform simmiler functionality to mine dont use this at all |
| 03:44.38 | DefectiveUser | yup, I found it in SecureStateDriver.lua |
| 03:44.49 | Semlar | it just calls SetAttribute |
| 03:45.18 | alestane | In fact, RegisterStateDriver just calls RegisterAttributeDriver with "state-" prepended to the attribute name. |
| 03:45.20 | DefectiveUser | yes, that it does |
| 03:46.46 | alestane | The API sites apparently don't include them because they're implemented in Lua inside the interface files. and don't therefore need external documentation. |
| 03:47.31 | Neffi | Special cases should be included IMO |
| 03:47.42 | Neffi | You look on Wowpedia for API, not in FrameXML/* |
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| 03:48.48 | alestane | Some of these are mentioned on WoWPedia in a section dedicated to the secure stuff, but I don't think it includes that. |
| 03:50.15 | alestane | And I'm not sure that RegisterStateDriver had yet been generalized into RegisterAttributeDriver when I wrote the secure templates chapter for jnwhiteh. |
| 03:52.37 | DefectiveUser | I do have his book, but that was not the referance material I was refering to before, but none the less it's open in front of me :) |
| 03:53.38 | alestane | Iriel, do you still have a link for the last version of the secure documentation, such as it was? |
| 03:54.08 | Iriel | I'm curious what the "such as it was" implies |
| 03:54.14 | DefectiveUser | ive got the 4.0 rev 1 doc, which is the latest I could find for that |
| 03:54.59 | Iriel | That's the most recent |
| 03:55.07 | mckenziemc | hey bluspacecow |
| 03:55.13 | alestane | Pardon, Iriel, I just haven't looked at it in a while and don't remember how complete it got to be. |
| 03:55.14 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 03:55.20 | bluspacecow | *wags tail* |
| 03:55.21 | DefectiveUser | thanks for the confirmation :) |
| 03:55.33 | bluspacecow | *tail hits mckenziemc in the face* |
| 03:55.44 | mckenziemc | bites. |
| 03:55.51 | bluspacecow | *yelps* |
| 03:55.59 | bluspacecow | *licks* |
| 03:56.00 | Iriel | http://www.iriel.org/wow/docs/SecureHeadersGuide-4.0-r1.pdf |
| 03:56.32 | DefectiveUser | alestane: so in your oppinion, its got to be RegisterAttributeDriver for this? Curious why I have not seen it used anywhere else |
| 03:57.16 | alestane | REgisterAttributeDriver will accomplish what you want with less code on your part or execution complexity than any other solution I know. |
| 03:57.52 | DefectiveUser | ok, so let me flesh out the requirments some more, we may find it falls short at some point and I would like to know before I chase after it as a solution |
| 03:58.01 | alestane | I proposed it because most of what was needed for state changes was exactly that, selecting alternate values for attributes based on state. |
| 03:58.30 | alestane | And it seemed silly to go through all the named state indirection. |
| 03:59.20 | DefectiveUser | basically I am writing a full action bar addon, already have the bulk of my test code written, this is the last part before I start to tie it all together. |
| 03:59.54 | kd3 | wow |
| 04:00.05 | kd3 | that'll never happen again. just did hour of twilight and won all three rolls on the last boss |
| 04:00.20 | kd3 | with a 63, a 68, and an 86 |
| 04:00.43 | Neffi | everyone gets one |
| 04:00.53 | Semlar | or three |
| 04:01.03 | DefectiveUser | When I create a button on screen, it needs to be capable of switching between a default action button to a custom macro (macrotext) |
| 04:01.06 | Neffi | joke's on you for blowing your guaranteed win streak on wow items |
| 04:01.14 | DefectiveUser | depending on the conditional |
| 04:01.17 | Semlar | it's all downhill from here.. |
| 04:01.23 | kd3 | yah, I know |
| 04:01.40 | Neffi | Defective: Why not convert spells/items/etc dropped onto the button into macros? |
| 04:01.49 | Neffi | What's what made Macaroon so great |
| 04:02.15 | DefectiveUser | thats one way of doing it, and yes I do agree with that. It may be the way I ultimately go. |
| 04:02.28 | Neffi | what'cha makin? |
| 04:02.51 | DefectiveUser | a personal replacment to macaroon :P |
| 04:02.57 | Neffi | lol |
| 04:03.04 | DefectiveUser | I am not kidding :P |
| 04:03.06 | Neffi | is Mac broken? |
| 04:03.37 | DefectiveUser | well, I started this project a little while ago before maul changed it to Ion |
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| 04:03.44 | DefectiveUser | but Ion convinced me to keep working on it |
| 04:04.15 | kd3 | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a1fdde2f766e5af7c5f202bda521c7b5.jpg |
| 04:04.22 | kd3 | points at the new loot rolls window and chat |
| 04:05.09 | DefectiveUser | nothing wrong with mauls work, but since I already had the bulk of the code written and was only needing to do the state drivers, figured I would finish it rather than set everything up all over again in Ion |
| 04:05.52 | Neffi | Reinventing the wheel is really fun stometimes |
| 04:06.02 | Neffi | Even if it comes out a little jagged |
| 04:06.10 | DefectiveUser | meh |
| 04:06.38 | Neffi | I was more referring to my stuff coming out a little jagged |
| 04:08.03 | DefectiveUser | at this point this is mostly a personal mod, not intended for general consumption. As such it lacks a UI, instead going for a scripted setup approach. Hence why I was still looking for general action button functionality. |
| 04:09.17 | DefectiveUser | to me the benefits of a scripted config include portability, mostly, and not having to worry about the mod deleting my config, and so keeping backups of my account folders |
| 04:09.35 | DefectiveUser | had mac do that to me a few times after updates |
| 04:10.02 | Neffi | shamelessly promoted his work. |
| 04:10.02 | Neffi | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=21539 |
| 04:10.29 | Neffi | I do the same thing with my addons, except I call it a feature and enjoy that nobody who doesn't know Lua is going to bother me about fixing it |
| 04:10.59 | Neffi | What my config for unit frames looks like in code: http://code.google.com/p/wow-neffui/source/browse/trunk/nfUnitFrames/config/player.lua |
| 04:11.41 | DefectiveUser | I will have to play around with it |
| 04:12.38 | Neffi | Something that looks more like an action button might help http://code.google.com/p/wow-neffui/source/browse/trunk/nfAura/config/player.lua |
| 04:13.18 | Shirik | ah Dragoncon |
| 04:13.21 | Shirik | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151141719524461&set=o.39783531132&type=1&theater |
| 04:13.40 | kd3 | er |
| 04:14.09 | Neffi | Shirik: The cameraman caught your good side |
| 04:15.12 | Arrowmaster | is that a woman? |
| 04:15.15 | Thunder_Child | thats wrong on so many levels |
| 04:15.45 | Shirik | you know what's wrong |
| 04:15.52 | Shirik | that card at her bellybutton is a relatively valuable card |
| 04:16.23 | Thunder_Child | yes, i think one of the commenters pointed that out |
| 04:16.39 | Semlar | well it's not like she can't use it |
| 04:16.43 | DefectiveUser | Neffi: so your saying this is able to duplicate action button functionality? |
| 04:16.51 | Semlar | she just has to get up on the table |
| 04:17.03 | Neffi | It's just used for frame delcaration and scripts |
| 04:17.13 | DefectiveUser | ok |
| 04:17.20 | Neffi | when making the frame, pass it 'SecureActionButtonTemplate' as the inherits parameter, and yes |
| 04:17.34 | Neffi | or set ` inherits = 'Secure..' ` on the config table's frame |
| 04:17.41 | Neffi | err, frame's config table |
| 04:17.56 | Mr_Rabies | this is what everyone missed at dragoncon http://i.imgur.com/byiX7.jpg |
| 04:19.07 | Neffi | Oh and data `type` should probably be button if you're using :SetAttribute('type') |
| 04:19.08 | DefectiveUser | ok, so ultimately I still need to attach my own handler code |
| 04:19.15 | Neffi | Yes |
| 04:19.24 | Neffi | But it handles creatign the actual frames and reconfiguring them |
| 04:19.31 | DefectiveUser | ok, then I still need to get this working anyway :P |
| 04:19.44 | DefectiveUser | yup, I actually have all that written already :) |
| 04:19.51 | Neffi | May seem superfluous for that purpose alone, but it's a nice simple config method for people proficient in Lua and like to define precise scripts. |
| 04:19.59 | DefectiveUser | including a few ways of dealing with an API for it |
| 04:20.05 | Mr_Rabies | http://i.imgur.com/xYMAA.jpg |
| 04:20.09 | Neffi | It's made working on my UI, which is conglomerate of a bunch of different small addons that use it, MUCH eaiser |
| 04:20.33 | Semlar | why button for the type and not action |
| 04:20.46 | Neffi | in nfWidget, type is the frame type |
| 04:20.51 | Semlar | oh |
| 04:21.02 | DefectiveUser | I will take a look at it, but I think ultimately its doing what i've already written, and I would still need to write the parts that are missing currently :) |
| 04:21.57 | DefectiveUser | ok, going to grab a bite to eat, thanks for the assist :) |
| 04:22.32 | alestane | Shirik, did she have to punch holes in it to use it in the costume? That would probably cause it to be considered marked and unusable. |
| 04:22.57 | Shirik | I didn't see the costume myself, but actually it wouldn't cause it to be marked so long as the sleeves are opaque enough that you can't tell |
| 04:23.25 | Shirik | modification of a card is allowed so long as it does not obscure functional parts of the card and it cannot be distinguished from the back |
| 04:25.39 | Neffi | Wait, you actually play with them? |
| 04:25.59 | Neffi | I thought they were for cosmetic appeal |
| 04:26.13 | Shirik | thwacks Neffi |
| 04:26.26 | Neffi | =P |
| 04:27.26 | Neffi | But seriously, a card game based on a video game. People are taking abstraction too far. |
| 04:27.50 | Shirik | would you rather a tv show based on a card game? |
| 04:27.56 | Shirik | or how about a card game based on a tv show based on a card game? |
| 04:28.09 | Neffi | I would rather just get back to coding |
| 04:28.12 | Shirik | or how about a tv show about a card game about a card game? |
| 04:28.16 | Shirik | all of these things exist |
| 04:28.18 | Dagmar | ...which is of course based on a Pixar movie |
| 04:28.24 | Neffi | Such travesties of the outside world are of no consequence to me |
| 04:29.21 | Shirik | tbh the wow card game is pretty solid |
| 04:29.27 | Shirik | totally unbiased opinion |
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| 04:29.38 | Neffi | blackjack and poker are pretty solid |
| 04:30.13 | Arrowmaster | wow there is some truely bad shit on hulu |
| 04:30.28 | alestane | Sturgeon's Law applies equally to all venues. |
| 04:31.08 | Neffi | I disagree. It applies moreso to some. |
| 04:31.22 | Arrowmaster | looking through the most popular on action/adventure and im torn between highlander2 and ninja chearleaders |
| 04:31.29 | Neffi | eg >90% of my ex was a total bitch |
| 04:31.44 | Neffi | wait that didn't make sense. fuck, 48 hours without sleep hurts. |
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| 05:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | dafuq just happened |
| 05:53.54 | Mr_Rabies | [01:51][2][Plutø] <Dynasty of the Dragon> is a lvl 9 Guild LFM_Mature_Playerss. Currently {RBGing Friday nights@7server} & {Raiding sunday nights@7server} Helpful_7_Tab_Guildbank/Free_Repairs/Ventrilo Great_Guild_for_NEw_Players. Lots of Raid&PVP Opportunitys still open! |
| 05:54.12 | Mr_Rabies | i feel like i'm reading a shady warez site when i view this |
| 05:58.47 | Shirik | but do they have a tabard Mr_Rabies? |
| 05:59.28 | Mr_Rabies | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/guild/llane/Dynasty_of_the_Dragon/ |
| 05:59.30 | Mr_Rabies | it has a dargon |
| 06:01.03 | Shirik | They claim to have used a vulnerability in Java, the popular Internet technology managed by Oracle Corp. (ORCL) |
| 06:01.05 | Shirik | NO |
| 06:01.13 | Shirik | JAVA IS NOT A POPULAR INTERNET TECHNOLOGY |
| 06:01.21 | Shirik | BAD BUSINESSWEEK |
| 06:01.32 | starlon | o.O |
| 06:01.41 | starlon | Java knows people. |
| 06:03.45 | durcyn | in other news, HIV, the popular sexually transmitted disease... |
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| 06:32.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: but minecraft |
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| 07:02.03 | Mr_Rabies | are there not any pandaria cauldrons? |
| 07:04.33 | F16Gaming | what the |
| 07:04.47 | F16Gaming | "Nicole upgrades her virus program file once a week." |
| 07:04.52 | F16Gaming | why would you upgrade a virus? ._o |
| 07:05.09 | jnwhiteh | : |
| 07:07.50 | Jammer | Mr_Rabies: probably not as they dropped all perks for it |
| 07:11.27 | F16Gaming | "[...] doesn't [...]" INCORRECT!: "[...] does not [...]" |
| 07:11.28 | F16Gaming | ...? |
| 07:12.02 | Mr_Rabies | except that the cata cauldron takes 4 flasks and a cheap mat and gives 10 |
| 07:12.55 | jnwhiteh | i might be bored of the internet |
| 07:13.24 | Jammer | Mr_Rabies: yeah they're awesome but probably want alchemists to sell more flasks rather |
| 07:13.54 | Mr_Rabies | i wish they'd remove flasks as a requirement for raiding, personally |
| 07:14.05 | durcyn | you know what they say jnwhiteh, when you're bored of the internet, what took you so long? |
| 07:14.17 | Mr_Rabies | alchemy gets entirely too many perks as is :< |
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| 07:48.17 | bluspacecow | http://geonet.org.nz/volcano/ |
| 07:48.19 | bluspacecow | niiiiiiiice |
| 07:57.49 | mikma | jnwhiteh: bored of the internet, that's unpossible |
| 08:00.52 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 08:00.56 | jnwhiteh | so I listen to Robin - Frontside Ollie |
| 08:01.01 | jnwhiteh | stuck in my head |
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| 08:01.22 | mikma | jnwhiteh: jesus effin' christ man |
| 08:01.42 | mikma | i thought you had class but clearly i was wrong!!!111oneone |
| 08:01.59 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 08:02.57 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://lyricstranslate.com/en/frontside-ollie-frontside-ollie.html |
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| 08:04.34 | mikma | jnwhiteh: just because, http://lyricstranslate.com/en/frontside-ollie-frontside-ollie.html |
| 08:04.39 | mikma | jnwhiteh: shiit, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRPDHdzPobQ |
| 08:04.45 | mikma | jnwhiteh: sorry bout the doublelink, pastefail |
| 08:05.37 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 08:05.46 | jnwhiteh | can xlate it to swedish as well |
| 08:05.48 | jnwhiteh | good for learning |
| 08:05.48 | jnwhiteh | hah |
| 08:06.03 | mikma | sorry, but, ewww ;) |
| 08:06.10 | mikma | yeah i know i know |
| 08:06.20 | mikma | it's kinda mandatory for you now |
| 08:06.26 | jnwhiteh | leek spin now |
| 08:06.29 | jnwhiteh | cause.. yeah. |
| 08:06.30 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:06.36 | mikma | but atleast we'll meet again tomorrow |
| 08:06.48 | jnwhiteh | levans polkka heh |
| 08:06.55 | mikma | i told you it would be easy once you move there, didn't i? |
| 08:07.24 | jnwhiteh | indeed! |
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| 08:09.48 | mikma | hi tom |
| 08:10.59 | Humbedooh | yawns |
| 08:22.28 | bluspacecow | http://soundcloud.com/koraofficial/tracks |
| 08:24.36 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh, noooo, not robin :( you've been infected! |
| 08:24.48 | jnwhiteh | haha, I love that song |
| 08:25.55 | Humbedooh | mitä vittua ;( |
| 08:27.57 | Humbedooh | blames mikma for this |
| 08:28.08 | mikma | haha |
| 08:28.16 | mikma | sorry but this is absolutely rtharper's fault 100% |
| 08:28.23 | mikma | i had no influence over this! |
| 08:28.24 | rtharper | hahah what's up |
| 08:28.28 | rtharper | ah |
| 08:28.30 | rtharper | robin |
| 08:28.31 | Humbedooh | yeah but he's gay and excused :| you're not! |
| 08:28.49 | rtharper | mikma: You speak a really lovely language, btw ;) |
| 08:29.18 | mikma | rtharper: thanks, here: http://youtu.be/dzSOOYE3gPY?t=13s |
| 08:30.04 | Semlar | is that you |
| 08:30.28 | mikma | wait for it ... waiiiiiit |
| 08:30.42 | Humbedooh | oh dear |
| 08:31.43 | Humbedooh | hands mikma a lakupiippu and watches as he goes bananas |
| 08:31.51 | mikma | nom nom, lakritsi |
| 08:32.47 | Humbedooh | there was this one time in Finland where I actually ate some salmiakki candy and enjoyed it :\ but I'm over it now! |
| 08:36.55 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d44ykdKvCw this is the extent of my immersion into swedish culture |
| 08:37.23 | Semlar | well, that and ikea |
| 08:37.27 | Humbedooh | aaargh |
| 08:37.29 | Humbedooh | turn it off! |
| 08:37.34 | Semlar | haha |
| 08:37.55 | mikma | muah |
| 08:38.20 | mikma | so they played the boten anna in finnish radio |
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| 08:38.31 | mikma | they thought it was about a boat |
| 08:38.35 | Humbedooh | it's a bot ;o |
| 08:38.48 | mikma | "they are talking about canals so the song must be about boats" |
| 08:38.50 | Humbedooh | 'cause she should like...ban people and stuff |
| 08:38.59 | Humbedooh | silly mikma :3 |
| 08:39.10 | mikma | and we, irc-generation were like "D'oh!" |
| 08:39.38 | mikma | humbedooh: http://mikma.eu/misc/IMG_3077.JPG merry xmas! |
| 08:40.13 | Humbedooh | why so serious ;o |
| 08:40.27 | mikma | cause christmas |
| 08:40.45 | mikma | i made our 2010 christmas cards from that picture |
| 08:40.50 | Humbedooh | heh |
| 08:40.53 | mikma | send it to all our friends and family :D |
| 08:40.56 | Semlar | they didn't get what they wanted |
| 08:41.09 | Humbedooh | no signed Robin album for them :\ |
| 08:41.18 | mikma | or, signed Robin album |
| 08:41.23 | mikma | pick your choice |
| 08:41.27 | Humbedooh | :D |
| 08:41.45 | mikma | semlar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg |
| 08:42.33 | Semlar | this is exactly what i picture when i think of sweden |
| 08:43.10 | Humbedooh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jdnuqNrJN8 mmm |
| 08:43.20 | mikma | rtharper: http://youtu.be/Qov4GygiOtk |
| 08:44.02 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUPu_ipbVB0 |
| 08:44.13 | rtharper | hahah seen that |
| 08:44.24 | mikma | the sauna scene <3 :DD |
| 08:44.34 | Humbedooh | oh you finns and your saunas |
| 08:46.14 | Semlar | i wasn't aware of this intense rivalry between finland and sweden |
| 08:46.16 | Humbedooh | Jag skulle äga miljoner om tårar vore guld, laaaalalaalalaaaa |
| 08:46.35 | Humbedooh | oh everybody hates sweden =) |
| 08:46.44 | Semlar | i don't hate sweden.. |
| 08:47.06 | Humbedooh | other nordic countries don't compete with each other...they compete with sweden |
| 08:47.09 | mikma | rtharper: http://youtu.be/5jyi3Xt-MhU?hd=1 |
| 08:47.30 | rtharper | haha mikmais it any good? |
| 08:47.45 | mikma | rtharper: a what what is good? |
| 08:47.50 | rtharper | is it* |
| 08:47.52 | rtharper | sorry |
| 08:47.54 | rtharper | sheldon's finnish |
| 08:48.08 | mikma | i think it's rather |
| 08:48.24 | mikma | he pronounces the words like normal american would ;) |
| 08:48.44 | rtharper | fair enough |
| 08:48.51 | rtharper | also with quite a lot of like |
| 08:48.55 | rtharper | intonation |
| 08:49.06 | rtharper | that doesn't seem there when Finnish speakers say it |
| 08:49.06 | rtharper | he |
| 08:49.27 | Humbedooh | but finnish is so easy - it's spoken like it's written ;o |
| 08:49.38 | Humbedooh | amiright mikma? |
| 08:50.45 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1965619511?page=1#14 |
| 08:50.49 | bluspacecow | i think he mad. |
| 08:50.54 | rtharper | yeah |
| 08:51.02 | rtharper | it has a nice orthography |
| 08:51.08 | rtharper | but goddamn, them be long words |
| 08:52.20 | Semlar | Nordöstersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranläggningsmaterielunderhållsuppföljningssystemdiskussionsinläggsförberedelsearbeten |
| 08:52.34 | Semlar | how do you pronounce that |
| 08:52.58 | Semlar | i'm assuming it's just like it looks |
| 08:54.01 | Humbedooh | that'd be a very fabricated word ;> |
| 08:54.14 | rtharper | hahaha |
| 08:54.14 | rtharper | no |
| 08:54.18 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 08:54.22 | Semlar | more importantly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_words this exists |
| 08:54.24 | rtharper | Semlar: lots of phonological processes |
| 08:54.41 | mikma | humbedooh: pretty much yes |
| 08:55.09 | Humbedooh | mikma, that's what I thought! |
| 08:55.35 | Humbedooh | one of my favorite pastimes is watching telly when some speaker tries to pronounce Finnish names...and then cringing in delight as he FAILS |
| 08:55.42 | rtharper | lol |
| 08:56.02 | Humbedooh | especially finnish ä != swedish ä! |
| 08:56.13 | Humbedooh | but nooooeh, ææææææææ |
| 08:56.20 | Semlar | i can't even type those characters |
| 08:56.56 | mikma | öäå |
| 08:57.05 | Humbedooh | æøå |
| 08:57.07 | mikma | åååh, åååh, that feels så gååd! |
| 08:57.51 | Semlar | my keyboard is only set up for japanese |
| 08:58.08 | Semlar | あああああああああ |
| 08:58.16 | Semlar | not very helpful |
| 08:58.20 | mikma | nice questionmarks |
| 08:58.31 | Humbedooh | 30|42! |
| 08:58.34 | Semlar | psh, see you can't even read the moonspeak |
| 09:00.39 | rtharper | I miss æ |
| 09:00.51 | rtharper | also ø is better |
| 09:00.55 | Semlar | Ü |
| 09:00.55 | rtharper | as much as it pains me to say |
| 09:01.04 | Semlar | it's a smiley face |
| 09:01.11 | rtharper | ska skriver svenska såhær |
| 09:01.14 | rtharper | skriva* |
| 09:01.21 | Humbedooh | good man, rtharper ! |
| 09:01.54 | Humbedooh | we'll change it once we annex Sweden again |
| 09:03.05 | many | ah, puhutko suomea? |
| 09:04.44 | rtharper | oh that's how it's going to be, is it? |
| 09:04.50 | rtharper | I suppose you practically own Scania as it is |
| 09:06.43 | rtharper | Jim is doing is rosetta stone swedish, and he's getting so good *tear of pride* |
| 09:08.26 | Semlar | i tried to use the rosetta stone for something and i didn't really feel it was as good as other methods for teaching you about proper grammar and what you would actually say |
| 09:08.46 | rtharper | Semlar: you can't use it on its own |
| 09:08.46 | Semlar | i think it was pretty good practice for pronounciation though |
| 09:08.51 | rtharper | yeah exctly |
| 09:08.57 | rtharper | and learning certain conversation norms |
| 09:09.08 | rtharper | also I can't say we paid much for it |
| 09:09.12 | rtharper | (i.e. we didn't |
| 09:09.13 | rtharper | ) |
| 09:09.16 | Semlar | right |
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| 09:12.56 | Semlar | i got a lot more out of the pimsleur method stuff which basically required you to keep going back to what you learned earlier and construct new phrases and stuff |
| 09:14.01 | Humbedooh | jnwhiteh, no yogurt in milk cartons in the UK? ;O |
| 09:14.12 | jnwhiteh | not that we ever saw, no |
| 09:14.24 | Humbedooh | but...what...no |
| 09:14.37 | jnwhiteh | in the dutchlands yes, but not in Storbritannien |
| 09:15.22 | Semlar | yogurt in milk cartons? |
| 09:15.35 | rtharper | Semlar: I see them as quite similar, the pimsleur method just more verbal |
| 09:15.38 | jnwhiteh | yeah, just small 1l cartons |
| 09:15.42 | rtharper | Semlar: yeah, you can't find it easily in the UK |
| 09:15.50 | Humbedooh | such a waste of ...emballage |
| 09:16.22 | Humbedooh | I suppose they don't have milk in plastic bags either? |
| 09:16.25 | rtharper | nej |
| 09:16.26 | Humbedooh | :D |
| 09:16.27 | Semlar | actually the last thing i tried was the michel thomas method and that was my favorite |
| 09:16.37 | rtharper | Semlar: what have you learnt that way? |
| 09:17.03 | Semlar | i'm slowly learning conversational japanese |
| 09:17.06 | rtharper | nice! |
| 09:17.12 | rtharper | not gonna try to read/write it? |
| 09:17.15 | Semlar | ha |
| 09:17.15 | Humbedooh | vely nice |
| 09:17.29 | Semlar | well, i can read it some |
| 09:17.42 | Semlar | there's like 3000 common characters |
| 09:18.12 | Semlar | those are the kanji that it basically borrows from chinese |
| 09:18.25 | Semlar | like 1 character represents a word more or less |
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| 09:18.56 | Semlar | then japanese also has an alphabet more similar to ours where you can make up words out of multiple characters |
| 09:19.33 | Semlar | as far as i can tell it's a lot easier to learn the spoken word first |
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| 09:49.07 | Wobin | yes |
| 09:49.29 | Wobin | written japanese and chinese is much more difficult =P |
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| 09:49.50 | Wobin | although learning both spoken and written at the same time is a good method |
| 09:50.04 | Wobin | Just an order of difficulty harder |
| 09:50.55 | Semlar | the hiragana and katakana are not so bad, the kanji are going to take a lot of memorization |
| 09:52.44 | Semlar | also the sentence structure is more like yoda's so it requires a little bit different way of thinking |
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| 11:09.56 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 11:10.06 | bluspacecow | \o |
| 11:10.14 | Fisker | why is there a blizzard poster with a character as his forum character? |
| 11:10.26 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 11:10.34 | bluspacecow | where |
| 11:10.38 | Fisker | "why is there" |
| 11:10.42 | Fisker | not "is there" |
| 11:10.53 | bluspacecow | i dunno |
| 11:10.57 | bluspacecow | bunnies? |
| 11:11.02 | Fisker | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/nerzhul/Turikk/simple |
| 11:12.01 | Fisker | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/search?f=post&a=Turikk%40Ner'zhul&sort=time |
| 11:12.04 | Fisker | his forum posts |
| 11:12.26 | bluspacecow | weird |
| 11:12.41 | bluspacecow | they do get a choice of a few avatars when they get to choose their avatar |
| 11:12.47 | bluspacecow | maybe that's what they choose ? |
| 11:12.53 | Fisker | but it doesn't register as a real blue poster |
| 11:12.56 | Fisker | but it is one |
| 11:13.03 | Fisker | he has class color text |
| 11:13.03 | bluspacecow | forum bug! |
| 11:13.07 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 11:13.11 | Fisker | i think his account was flagged |
| 11:13.23 | bluspacecow | fired? |
| 11:13.32 | Fisker | or hried |
| 11:13.33 | Fisker | hired* |
| 11:13.49 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 11:13.52 | bluspacecow | possibly |
| 11:14.08 | Torhal | assaults Fisker with a loaf of garlic bread. |
| 11:14.53 | _TMc51 | Why would you assault somebody with garlic bread? At the very least, use some French Bread, it'll crack his skull proper. |
| 11:15.28 | Torhal | _TMc51: He's saucy. |
| 11:16.08 | Humbedooh | mmm garlic bread |
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| 12:18.59 | karl_w_w | "Your password is incorrect. Come on! You can do this! Take a deep breath and remember the hell out of that password!" |
| 12:21.43 | pompy | aww shiii http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151035843903663&set=a.397912903662.171895.57851763662&type=1 |
| 12:21.54 | pompy | thats not a "few more hours" ... but yeahh |
| 12:24.07 | Vladinator | this is weird, I can't seem to write my own macro today! |
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| 12:25.16 | Vladinator | I wish to /focus on my target if focus target doesn't exist, and the target is not dead and friendly |
| 12:25.21 | Vladinator | >.< |
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| 12:26.55 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.55 | Vladinator | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.56 | Vladinator | :P |
| 12:27.21 | karl_w_w | no |
| 12:27.25 | Vladinator | ? |
| 12:27.38 | Vladinator | I tried to merge the if check into one but it don't like / :( |
| 12:29.17 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.18 | karl_w_w | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:30.00 | karl_w_w | focus is a weird word |
| 12:30.15 | Humbedooh | karl_w_w: focus! |
| 12:30.25 | karl_w_w | focus on the hocus pocus |
| 12:30.54 | Humbedooh | the letter C is a weird letter |
| 12:31.04 | Humbedooh | one minute it's an S, then it's a K :\ |
| 12:31.06 | karl_w_w | damn straight |
| 12:31.11 | Humbedooh | blames rtharper |
| 12:31.43 | pompy | that karl_w_w is a weird fella |
| 12:31.48 | rtharper | feel free to =)) |
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| 12:31.57 | Humbedooh | aims the blame cannon |
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| 12:46.52 | g0urra | Vladinator: isn't it "enemy" or "hostile" instead of "nohelp" :| |
| 12:47.12 | Vladinator | harm help defines enemy or friendly |
| 12:47.14 | Vladinator | ? :/ |
| 12:47.25 | Vladinator | nohelp i.e. harm ;P ye |
| 12:47.30 | g0urra | nvm it's "harm" |
| 12:47.38 | g0urra | http://www.wowpedia.org/Macro_conditionals |
| 12:47.41 | Vladinator | I just used nohelp for context :P |
| 12:47.45 | g0urra | pft |
| 12:49.33 | karl_w_w | actually, (no)harm means you can('t) cast harmful spells on them, likewise for help/helpful spells |
| 12:50.55 | g0urra | but why would you type noharm when help has less letters |
| 12:51.22 | karl_w_w | because they are not the same thing |
| 12:54.00 | Vladinator | I wish I could table.wipe() a frame object and remove all it's custom keys and values ;D |
| 12:54.49 | Torhal|work | ... |
| 12:54.51 | Torhal|work | Why? |
| 12:54.57 | Vladinator | reusable frame |
| 12:55.03 | Torhal|work | Just use a frame? |
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| 12:55.21 | Vladinator | was thinking if I have a frame with modules that support custom code, so people can do self.anykeyhere = value |
| 12:55.22 | Torhal|work | Er, table |
| 12:55.26 | Vladinator | wish I could clean those up :P |
| 12:55.43 | Vladinator | using frame for events |
| 12:55.45 | Torhal|work | local { frame = CreateFrame("Frame") } |
| 12:56.18 | Vladinator | Torhal, a far more important issue arised than the thing I mentioned above, PLAYER_SPECIALIZATION_CHANGED fires when you change glyphs :P |
| 12:56.31 | Torhal|work | Ok... |
| 12:56.38 | Torhal|work | I'm just not understanding what your issue is :) |
| 12:57.01 | Vladinator | it's okay |
| 12:57.18 | Vladinator | if you have an addon and you give modules access to a shared frame (only one active at a time) |
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| 12:57.39 | Vladinator | how would you remove custom data like ID, custom keyvalue pairs, e.g. |
| 12:57.41 | Torhal|work | Vladinator: Look at the code for AceEvent to get an example of that. |
| 12:57.45 | Torhal|work | Oh |
| 12:57.58 | Torhal|work | You'd have the modules register with the frame via a metatable |
| 12:58.07 | Torhal|work | Then all THEIR cruft could go away. |
| 12:58.14 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 12:58.21 | Torhal|work | It'd be stored as fields on the frame |
| 12:58.32 | Vladinator | show me a small example of that code, I got intrigued |
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| 13:03.54 | Torhal|work | This is just theoretical, but basically you'd have an interface which would store data per-module on the frame by an identifier (sub table) |
| 13:04.12 | Torhal|work | Read up on metatables and maybe look at AceEvent to see some insanity |
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| 13:09.08 | Vladinator | I will, thanks. |
| 13:12.57 | foxlit | heh, chmod mnemonics |
| 13:13.16 | foxlit | "[a]ll, [o]wner" or "[a]uthor, w[o]rld?" |
| 13:14.11 | foxlit | hah, they're both wrong. Thanks, manpage. |
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| 13:26.25 | durcyn | ugoa+-rwxs isn't that hard to memorize. |
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| 13:39.22 | mitch0 | you forgot t |
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| 14:27.26 | starlon | How am I supposed to know if I own a companion pet or not? They're all learnable now. |
| 14:27.49 | Kaylin | summon one of that type? idk =/ |
| 14:27.55 | starlon | hmm |
| 14:27.58 | Kaylin | the spellbook does it somehow |
| 14:28.11 | bluspacecow | magic! |
| 14:28.26 | starlon | be quiet bluspacecow |
| 14:28.27 | Kaylin | ffff I need to do that thing I hate with the giving me money and the having to go into a big office building. |
| 14:28.30 | Kaylin | afk a bit |
| 14:28.58 | foxlit | wait, what does the spellbook do? |
| 14:29.11 | starlon | maybe there's room for an addon |
| 14:30.12 | starlon | hopes someone volunteers. |
| 14:30.18 | starlon | bluspacecow! |
| 14:30.27 | starlon | You volunteer don't you? |
| 14:30.32 | bluspacecow | >_> |
| 14:30.35 | bluspacecow | for what |
| 14:30.47 | starlon | To write an addon that'll tell me if I own a pet or not. |
| 14:30.57 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 14:31.32 | bluspacecow | you can't use open your pet journal ? |
| 14:31.42 | starlon | I have a LOT of pets! |
| 14:31.43 | Ressy | starlon: Blizzard did mention that they were working to fix that issue. |
| 14:31.51 | starlon | Ressy: Oh good. |
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| 14:35.43 | Ressy | oh.. apparently there's one already |
| 14:35.44 | Ressy | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/petcounter |
| 14:35.51 | bluspacecow | lulz |
| 14:36.34 | Ressy | I'm trying to find the blizzard post, because I remember reading one. |
| 14:37.38 | starlon | Oh cool. |
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| 14:43.17 | Ressy | I can't find it.. Maybe I'm just going batty. sorry |
| 14:43.28 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 14:43.45 | starlon | hehe no worries |
| 14:43.49 | starlon | This addon works. |
| 14:44.47 | durcyn | i got halfway through putting one together before i realized the new API sucks and the old one is still character specific |
| 14:45.17 | durcyn | also, how hard is it really to add a lookup table for pets with items that don't match the spell names, tsk |
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| 14:50.46 | Vladinator | f:RegisterUnitEvent("EVT", "player") then later I do f:RegisterUnitEvent("EVT", "pet") -- will it trigger EVT when player or pet is the unit or will the earlier units have been forgotten? |
| 14:51.15 | Vladinator | not sure if this is my problem atm so trying to work it out :P |
| 14:51.55 | foxlit | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Frame_RegisterUnitEvent |
| 14:53.16 | Vladinator | in my case the "pet" event triumphed the player one from earlier |
| 14:53.31 | foxlit | "Repeated calls will overwrite old registrations." |
| 14:53.32 | Vladinator | so I need a smart way to append more units :P |
| 14:53.54 | Antze | RegisterEvent, anyone? |
| 14:54.04 | Antze | or I'm getting something wrong... |
| 14:54.10 | Vladinator | no need when you only watch 2 units :P |
| 14:54.13 | Vladinator | (or 1, e.g.) |
| 14:54.40 | Antze | well, "A frame can only ever watch for events for two units using this mechanism." |
| 14:54.50 | Antze | apparently for three or more you need to revert to old school |
| 14:55.08 | jnwhiteh | well its a very special purpose mechanism |
| 14:55.10 | durcyn | it's a very specific use case |
| 14:55.12 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 14:55.12 | nevcairiel | You also need to Unregister the event before a normal RegisterEvent starts working |
| 14:55.14 | foxlit | Clearly the answer is to write a SuperLightweightEvent-5.0 library |
| 14:55.25 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I love you sometimes :P |
| 14:55.27 | foxlit | that'd spawn a separate frame for each unit |
| 14:55.35 | starlon | lol |
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| 14:57.17 | mitch0 | s/unit/& combination/ |
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| 14:58.04 | Vladinator | I just added a RegisterUnitEventAppend that will always append (keeping internal list of events and what units are accociated with it) :P |
| 14:58.17 | Antze | I wouldn't be very surprised if this imaginary library actually provided a boost in performance... |
| 14:58.18 | durcyn | congratulations, you've missed the point |
| 14:58.56 | Vladinator | durcyn: me? |
| 14:59.24 | durcyn | Vladinator: You |
| 14:59.30 | Vladinator | lol |
| 14:59.38 | mitch0 | it should be in AceEvent, but nev is too lazy ;) |
| 14:59.51 | karl_w_w | someone debug my addon i cant |
| 15:00.09 | Vladinator | the point is I can append more units by calling RegisterUnitEvent subsequentially |
| 15:00.09 | nevcairiel | mitch0: i told you, it just doesnt fit the design |
| 15:00.25 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow ^ |
| 15:00.38 | bluspacecow | hmmm ? |
| 15:00.40 | nevcairiel | AceEvent has one event frame, the two units limitation kills it :P |
| 15:00.54 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow: [karl_w_w] someone debug my addon i cant |
| 15:01.06 | bluspacecow | i have the fix |
| 15:01.13 | bluspacecow | remove your entire code base |
| 15:01.17 | durcyn | karl_w_w: rm -rf KarlsAddon |
| 15:01.32 | bluspacecow | and replace it with one frame - one thats says "bluspacecow is sexy" |
| 15:01.33 | bluspacecow | fix'd! |
| 15:01.41 | starlon | :/ |
| 15:01.44 | Vladinator | not sure how I missed the point >.< |
| 15:02.09 | nevcairiel | If you knew why, you wouldnt have missed it |
| 15:02.17 | mitch0 | nev: so, it should just spawn new frames for the requested unit combos for RegisterUnitEvent |
| 15:02.20 | durcyn | karl_w_w: anyway, pastey or something |
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| 15:02.27 | mitch0 | the current RegisterEvent need not be modified |
| 15:02.27 | Vladinator | I mean, not sure how I missed the point when it fixed my problem lol :P |
| 15:02.34 | nevcairiel | mitch0: we dont deal in ugly shit like that |
| 15:02.40 | nevcairiel | Its trivial to do that yourself |
| 15:02.40 | jnwhiteh | I don't think this will give much of a boost, the whole point is that it AVOIDS an additional layer of dispatch |
| 15:02.43 | jnwhiteh | you'd be putting it back in |
| 15:02.49 | jnwhiteh | just use it when its supposed to be used |
| 15:03.06 | jnwhiteh | like for any single-unit frame that potentially has a sub-frame, like a pet. |
| 15:03.19 | nevcairiel | Heck the whole point of AceEvent has diminished quite a bit over the years, Blizzard greatly reduced the C->Lua boundary overhead some time ago |
| 15:03.38 | mitch0 | laterz |
| 15:03.44 | nevcairiel | jnwhiteh: Blizzard typically uses it for the unit, and the vehicle-replacement unit |
| 15:03.55 | jnwhiteh | yeah, that makes sense |
| 15:03.56 | nevcairiel | guess thats why they added two |
| 15:04.05 | Vladinator | question |
| 15:04.24 | Vladinator | because this is annoying me, durcyn, what did I say to make you think I missed the point? lol :P |
| 15:04.32 | Amarande | Hrm. Hopefully I can actually get back to WoW in time for the Theramore event, at this rate. :| |
| 15:04.51 | durcyn | Vladinator: you turned RegisterUnitEvent back into RegisterEvent. |
| 15:05.07 | Amarande | needs to figure out if a) the new hard disk is bad, b) the RAM has somehow gone bad, or if c) a particular collision early on when setting up Windows completely hosed that installation in an odd way |
| 15:05.39 | Vladinator | not quite as it still only fires for max 2 units while it would fire for every unit nearby if I had used the regular RegisterEvent. |
| 15:05.54 | Amarande | *sigh.* |
| 15:06.03 | karl_w_w | durcyn: http://codepad.org/P4H9rhk5 |
| 15:06.12 | karl_w_w | and bluspacecow^ :P |
| 15:06.39 | Vladinator | if I use RegisterEvent with UNIT_AURA then it fires all the time basically, now it fires only on me and my pet ^^ |
| 15:07.04 | karl_w_w | it's always accurate for me, my guess is it's a localization think |
| 15:07.12 | durcyn | karl_w_w: i assume that's just a snippet, you've got some missing variables? |
| 15:07.13 | karl_w_w | thing* :/ |
| 15:07.16 | Vladinator | the Append I made just helps me add the last unit, since it's modules and it's not given that player or pet exists when the next player or pet is added -strange language warning :P |
| 15:07.25 | karl_w_w | yeah i edited out a lot of stuff |
| 15:08.30 | Vladinator | sometimes I feel like I am talking to no one, even when I try to have a discussion and figure out something lol :D |
| 15:08.40 | Antze | what is RegisterUnitEventAppend exactly? |
| 15:08.56 | Vladinator | I made it myself, doesn't exist, all it does is adds the last unit to the already existing unit registered. |
| 15:09.16 | durcyn | karl_w_w: why are you doing weird things with PEW and UNIT_AURA? you can pull everything from CLEU |
| 15:09.18 | Antze | how? |
| 15:09.34 | Vladinator | because RegisterUnitEvent will override the last time you called it, if you first do it with "pet" then later you do "player" then "pet" is now gone, the append just makes sure both exist in the end. |
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| 15:09.59 | Vladinator | it remembers last time you called it and what unit was added to that event so next time you call it it appends basically. |
| 15:10.21 | karl_w_w | durcyn: I'm not using UNIT_AURA and I'm using PEW for stuff that only needs to be done once. here's the whole thing if it helps http://codepad.org/2Wxr25WM |
| 15:10.22 | Antze | again, how? do you deal with something internal? |
| 15:10.33 | durcyn | karl_w_w: er, UnitAura() i mean |
| 15:11.14 | Antze | like, alright, it remembered something, but then it needs to really register something |
| 15:11.16 | Torhal|work | Vladinator: You completely confused me. |
| 15:11.27 | karl_w_w | the ignite debuff has it's value as a return from unitaura |
| 15:11.28 | Antze | what does it use to do the actual registration and how? |
| 15:11.38 | Vladinator | >.< |
| 15:11.39 | karl_w_w | using cleu you have to wait for the first tick |
| 15:12.03 | nevcairiel | cleu has aura gained and lost events |
| 15:12.13 | karl_w_w | yeah but they are delayed |
| 15:12.43 | karl_w_w | doing it this way you get things as they happen |
| 15:12.57 | nevcairiel | i use cleu for HoT tracking, and it works just perfectly |
| 15:13.04 | karl_w_w | timing combustion is a big deal |
| 15:13.19 | Torhal|work | SRS BZNS |
| 15:13.45 | karl_w_w | there's 5 addons I know of that do it and this is the only one that isnt half a second behind the times |
| 15:14.15 | Amarande | hmm, any of you Windows/hardware-guru enough to figure out why a PC would something like 50% of the time when being rebooted (especially after updates) insist that ntoskrnl and/or ntfs.sys are corrupt and have to do a Startup Repair? |
| 15:14.29 | Amarande | and the last time it did that, it actually did a System Restore that wiped basically EVERY APPLICATION THAT WAS INSTALLED |
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| 15:14.53 | karl_w_w | #windows? :P |
| 15:15.01 | Unkle | station |
| 15:15.07 | Torhal|work | wagon |
| 15:15.08 | Humbedooh | once knew a gnome called SNiLD :| |
| 15:15.11 | karl_w_w | morning Unkle |
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| 15:16.39 | Vladinator | Torhal and Antze I think this is eaiser to do on pastey http://pastebin.com/fgknjs0P :P |
| 15:17.41 | Vladinator | example 1 is how I had it earlier (the problem), and example 2 is how I solved it. I can't know what units are already registered so I need the function to track that for me, that is one way to do it. |
| 15:18.12 | nevcairiel | You do know that your function in example2 will result in a stack overflow? |
| 15:18.12 | Antze | oh, nice |
| 15:18.30 | Antze | I overlooked the third parameter in RegisterUnitEvent |
| 15:18.45 | Vladinator | :/ |
| 15:18.51 | Vladinator | hmm |
| 15:19.02 | Vladinator | do tell, nevcairiel |
| 15:19.24 | Vladinator | wonder if it's a typo I made or what, the code I use isn't like the example code you see :P |
| 15:19.29 | nevcairiel | also, the fact that only two units are ever supported does make using a table look rather stupid |
| 15:19.31 | Antze | I believe, the name of the function was messed up |
| 15:19.44 | Antze | it should be that whateverAppend |
| 15:19.49 | karl_w_w | and I have just spotted a completely unrelated bug in my code |
| 15:20.05 | Vladinator | how would you do it nevcairiel, if you have to register the other unit without knowing what unit is already registered? :P |
| 15:20.19 | Vladinator | it depends how you load the addon, with or without player module, with or without pet module. |
| 15:20.32 | Torhal|work | If you're only ever registering for "player" and "pet", just do it? |
| 15:20.34 | nevcairiel | just register both no matter what? |
| 15:20.35 | Shirik | o.O |
| 15:20.39 | Shirik | 7.6 earthquake in Costa Rica |
| 15:20.57 | bluspacecow | wasn't |
| 15:21.05 | bluspacecow | was just my curry |
| 15:21.05 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 15:21.08 | Vladinator | that depends on the code that follows doesn't it? :P if it started to fire on pet that I don't want it to fire on the code below could break if there is missing functions :P |
| 15:21.08 | Torhal|work | frame:RegisterUnitEvent("UNIT_AURA", "player", "pet") |
| 15:21.09 | Torhal|work | Done. |
| 15:21.39 | Vladinator | the OnEvent function is separate so it doesn't know what is loaded, all it knows if it finds player it executes this code, if it finds pet is executes another. |
| 15:21.44 | Torhal|work | Before you were just calling RegisterUnitEvent() with one unit then calling again with the other. |
| 15:21.50 | Torhal|work | …which overwrote the first |
| 15:21.53 | Torhal|work | Just call with both. |
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| 15:21.58 | Torhal|work | It supports two. |
| 15:22.20 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: so just check if the module is loaded before trying to run its code? =P |
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| 15:22.40 | nevcairiel | follow the KISS principle, it'll help your sanity big time |
| 15:22.56 | Vladinator | I do that by checking the unit, it can load at any given time so I need to check on the event and not only on login or something :P |
| 15:23.35 | Torhal|work | Why are you writing a wrapper to handle two units when RegisterUnitEvent() already handles two units. You're breaking my mind. |
| 15:23.47 | Vladinator | I mean we are just discussing coding principles and preferences, so it's not a problem just funny to read ^^ |
| 15:24.04 | Antze | ewwww, wrap it into a container which has something like container.playerEnabled ( = true | false ), container.petEnabled, container.frame and container:UpdateRegistration() |
| 15:24.07 | Vladinator | because the example is just a short form version, the two calls aren't one line after the other :P |
| 15:24.16 | Antze | if you absolutely need to register a frame only for pet events but not for player ones |
| 15:24.18 | Torhal|work | No wonder it didn't make sense :P |
| 15:24.20 | Vladinator | :P |
| 15:24.27 | Antze | if you believe this will improve performance by big margin |
| 15:24.33 | Vladinator | the two lines are in two different files |
| 15:24.39 | Antze | so? |
| 15:24.44 | Antze | remove both, register for both events |
| 15:24.45 | Vladinator | (replying to torhal) |
| 15:24.46 | nevcairiel | In any case, your solution sucks. Instead of using such a hack, just check if the other module is loaded and then register for both units, or just one |
| 15:24.47 | Vladinator | all they care is that their unit is taken care of |
| 15:24.48 | Antze | somewhere in the beginning |
| 15:24.59 | nevcairiel | Or just always register both and be done with it |
| 15:25.32 | Antze | I mean, you should have another abstraction level, not the frame itself, that should know what you are trying to register |
| 15:25.44 | Vladinator | nevcairiel: that's not nice of you |
| 15:25.56 | Antze | after that, just translate your wishes onto your frame |
| 15:26.06 | Vladinator | you don't even know the whole code and you say my solution sucks, is that really nessecary? |
| 15:26.09 | nevcairiel | You'll notice when i'm not nice =p |
| 15:26.14 | Vladinator | necessary* |
| 15:26.19 | nevcairiel | Yes, yes it is |
| 15:30.28 | Vladinator | Antze: thanks for the suggestion, but it's really a preference thing at this point ;) |
| 15:30.48 | Vladinator | the code runs only on spec change so not a performance issue, even if I do use a table to keep track of units and such, hehe. |
| 15:31.01 | Torhal|work | Really, two variables would suffice. |
| 15:31.15 | nevcairiel | "its not performance crititical" is the worst excuse ever =P |
| 15:31.21 | nevcairiel | critical* |
| 15:31.22 | Torhal|work | Even though it isn't a solution I'd use, the table is definitely overkill. |
| 15:32.04 | Vladinator | the two modules does not share a environment |
| 15:32.04 | Vladinator | I can't use "just two variables" :/ |
| 15:32.13 | nevcairiel | one table, two variables, there is no difference |
| 15:32.24 | nevcairiel | you have to share it somehow |
| 15:32.42 | Torhal|work | Damn modules! |
| 15:32.45 | Antze | even if it doesn't cause any problems in this example, I dislike the "just ensure I'm working fine and forget" attitude |
| 15:32.48 | Vladinator | they share a frame, and that frame has the function I made attached that helps them out :P |
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| 15:33.06 | Antze | if you construct your module, register correctly in some layer, increase your refcount etc |
| 15:33.11 | Antze | if you shutdown, clean things up |
| 15:33.15 | Vladinator | you know what this is? this is coding elitism in black on white |
| 15:33.19 | Vladinator | :P |
| 15:33.23 | Torhal|work | o.O |
| 15:33.35 | Antze | will, we are politely discussing if some particular piece of code is crap or not |
| 15:33.40 | Vladinator | like, what ever I do as long it's not done on the "correct way"that others like it's crap and sucks :P |
| 15:33.53 | Torhal|work | I thought it was "There's a more elegant approach" despite nevcairiel's bluntness. |
| 15:33.54 | Antze | I'm not an elisit, having written a lot of crap myself, including commercially |
| 15:33.57 | Antze | sometimes it's justified |
| 15:34.05 | nevcairiel | If its not done the correct way, it simply is crap, i think thats in the definition :P |
| 15:34.13 | Antze | yes |
| 15:34.23 | Lopeppeppy | "correct way" isn't always elitism. Sometimes it involves actual efficiency, not just aesthetic appeal. |
| 15:34.27 | Vladinator | always an more elegant approach but atm I don't wanna rewrite most of my code for a better way to handle modules and how they append ONE more unit :P lol |
| 15:34.33 | Antze | if you suggest that in your case crap is enough, then why not? go with it, noone will kill you |
| 15:34.35 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | Write a working code first. Then try to streamline it - there's always a better way to do it after the first draft, just like with any project. |
| 15:34.55 | Lopeppeppy | shares concord grapes with bluspacecow. |
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| 15:36.01 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy: its much more efficient to think about a design before just pumping out some-kind-of-working-code, because big refactoring takes much more time then just thinking ahead a bit |
| 15:36.23 | Antze | actually if your module architecture doesn't support a proper abstraction layer fitting your case, then go on, write a hack, everyone does that |
| 15:36.32 | Antze | you will maybe rewrite it later |
| 15:36.35 | Antze | but it is still a hack |
| 15:36.37 | Vladinator | not really sure why you started to discuss this, the whole point was that the RegisterUnitEvent will discard the old unit, that's it -how I code my code to work around that is a personal preference |
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| 15:36.43 | nevcairiel | which usually results in people not refactoring, and the crap-but-working code surviving the whole projects lifecycle =p |
| 15:36.46 | Lopeppeppy | I agree, nevcairiel. But if you dont' think ahead, you can at least refine later with a cheerful outlook. |
| 15:37.32 | Antze | and yes, remembering that it's still a hack but not a good code helps in further analysis of what has to be done |
| 15:37.54 | Unkle | I can't count the number of proejcts I wrote a "quick hack" to get something to work "right now" that I would "fix later" only to discover it in production code years later and required a lot of time to fix properly. |
| 15:38.03 | nevcairiel | Antze: that was the main problem, he seemed proud of his solution instead of ashamed it was required =p |
| 15:38.40 | nevcairiel | Unkle: temporary hacks are the part of the code that remain the same the longest <.< |
| 15:38.42 | Vladinator | I am not proud, I agree it's not the best way to do it, but I cba to rewrite a lot of code to get a trivial thing like this that runs on spec change, to take up more time lol :P |
| 15:39.29 | Antze | let's get straight to the point - do you want to release some addon right now, because fans are running after you with scorching pitchforks? |
| 15:39.52 | Antze | if yes, then everything is justified |
| 15:39.57 | Vladinator | lol |
| 15:39.57 | Unkle | nevcairiel Once, back at an internet company that shall remain nameless, I hacked a quick fix into something as a proof of concept and the project went live. 4 years later it came back to bite me in the ass. :/ |
| 15:40.08 | Antze | but I'm personally taking my time to polish my addon since thankfully noone yet uses it yet |
| 15:40.17 | Vladinator | when was the last time some user looked at your code and went after you with a pitchfork? or another coder for that mater :P no one cares how you do your coding ^^ |
| 15:40.29 | nevcairiel | You should care |
| 15:40.30 | Antze | nah, I mean fans |
| 15:40.36 | nevcairiel | or you'll end up a terrible coder |
| 15:40.44 | Antze | "what the hell, 5.0.4 is out for several days, but your addon isn't yet updated" |
| 15:40.47 | Antze | this case |
| 15:40.54 | Vladinator | it's funny because, you can't be a good coder without having coded badly ;) |
| 15:40.55 | Unkle | Because 6 months from now when your hack blows up in your face, you'll have to do all that work again anyway. |
| 15:41.04 | foxlit | Vladinator: "Well, I sure hope I'm not running any addons by /that/ guy!" |
| 15:41.06 | Antze | in this case, you maybe have to fix it asap regardless of dirty methods |
| 15:41.13 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: and you can't be a good coder without actually trying to write good code |
| 15:41.27 | foxlit | you're welcome to write crap |
| 15:41.47 | Antze | actually... |
| 15:41.48 | Vladinator | jeez |
| 15:41.54 | nevcairiel | Everyone starts with small things and crap code, but by realizing this, and trying to improve this, you turn into a better coder |
| 15:42.02 | Antze | browsing through one guy's addon code made me an addon author |
| 15:42.04 | nevcairiel | If you just accept that your code is crap and move on, you won't learn =p |
| 15:42.12 | foxlit | however, writing crap involving things like module systems is internally inconsistent |
| 15:42.23 | Antze | I just wanted to extend something in his addon for personal use, but decided it's easier to be done from scratch |
| 15:42.54 | Unkle | FYI - pretty much everyone here has written crap at some point. And we're telling you straight out... save yourself the pain, crap is crap. And we'll tell you when it's crap. It's not some measure of your personal value as a human being. |
| 15:43.18 | Antze | some of us are maybe still writing crap right now... |
| 15:43.32 | Unkle | Don't look at my code. :) |
| 15:43.49 | Antze | now that sounded just like an invitation |
| 15:44.11 | nevcairiel | At least in WoW addons, sometimes crap just happens because you have to work with the WoW API =p |
| 15:44.19 | Vladinator | I thought the community was better than this, all I see, since I mentioned the unit event thing is only criticism how my code is bad, there are better ways to do it, if I don't fix this it will be a huge mess in the end and it will be a huge issue to fix, how this makes me a bad coder, and so forth. Are you proud how you made me feel? Really, I am disappointed. Only one that actually helped or act nice is Torhal so far, and perhaps An |
| 15:44.31 | Unkle | Actually, I don't think any of my code is out there in the wild really. Just some AddOns that I took over, statered the re-write, then never published... |
| 15:44.41 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 15:44.47 | Vladinator | Funnies is no one really seen the code or what it does, just assuming it's instantly bad because of my one decisions on how to deal with the unit events. |
| 15:45.03 | bluspacecow | isn't there still lines in teh framexml commented with "quick and dirty hack remove when i have time"to effect |
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| 15:45.13 | nevcairiel | bluspacecow: plenty i bet |
| 15:45.42 | Antze | noone commented your code as a whole |
| 15:46.07 | Antze | and noone commented you as an author, all comments were about one particular method |
| 15:46.14 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: you get constructive criticism, and you complain about a bad community? You're weird |
| 15:46.32 | Vladinator | how is "if you decide to write crap code go ahead" comments constructive? :P |
| 15:46.39 | Vladinator | it was constructive half hour ago lol, then it turned bad |
| 15:47.03 | Antze | totally constructive - if you don't have time to do it properly, then having a hack remaning is "the least evil" |
| 15:47.06 | Antze | it should be done |
| 15:47.14 | foxlit | (I think that's a misquote) |
| 15:47.39 | Antze | but remembering that it was a hack really helps to remove it as soon as possible - before it hits you in the face after a year |
| 15:47.41 | nevcairiel | I bet he refers to foxlit's line, which he didnt seem to associate with the second of his lines |
| 15:47.56 | Antze | oh sorry then, I might be wrong here |
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| 15:49.20 | Vladinator | it sure doesn't help that it's hard to follow who talks to who, probably some of the negativity was humorously meant for someone else, but oh well, doesn't mater, took a deep breath and I feel better now. doesn't mater anymore. |
| 15:51.22 | Lopeppeppy | hacks Unkle in the ankle for good luck |
| 15:51.45 | foxlit | I wish I had more tillers plant slots to play with on the beta server. |
| 15:51.46 | Antze | wait a minute |
| 15:51.53 | foxlit | They're for some reason fun. |
| 15:52.05 | End_ | hehe |
| 15:52.14 | nevcairiel | dont you have to wait one day after doing some watering for 5 minutes? |
| 15:52.19 | Antze | Vladinator: you mentioned your addons didn't share code or something like that, but what your RegisterAppend thing is, if not shared code? |
| 15:52.26 | foxlit | nevcairiel: indeed. |
| 15:52.50 | Antze | I mean, you do have an independent point in your code, where you can do all the registration for both units beforehand |
| 15:52.53 | Antze | ...maybe |
| 15:52.54 | Vladinator | could use the frame and add some booleans to it ofc |
| 15:53.07 | Antze | hmm |
| 15:53.29 | Antze | by the way, talking about crap - what do you think about the method of injecting your own parameters into a frame table? |
| 15:53.59 | Antze | (hello name collisions, but one can be "creative" about picking names) |
| 15:54.01 | Vladinator | I only didn't want to edit the frame itself directly, adding keyvalue pairs and such, hehe :3 |
| 15:54.28 | nevcairiel | a function is a key value pair |
| 15:54.45 | Antze | I mean, I was (and am) adding keyvalue pairs to frame tables |
| 15:55.33 | Torhal|work | Vladinator: What nevcairiel said - the method you're adding is a field in a table (the Frame object). I insert values onto frames directly all the time |
| 15:55.37 | Torhal|work | Antze: ^ |
| 15:55.55 | Antze | my UI lib creates frames and wants to keep some additional information with them, but I don't want to properly embed those frames into another tables |
| 15:55.58 | Torhal|work | Frames are, after all, tables. |
| 15:56.07 | Antze | ok, so it's a common practice and not considered weird? |
| 15:56.10 | End_ | just don't touch [0] ;-) |
| 15:56.21 | Torhal|work | They're just tables with a metatable and userdata |
| 15:56.34 | Antze | I'm touching ["__MYLIBNAME_SOMEUGLYSUFFIX"] mainly |
| 15:56.41 | Torhal|work | The metatable enables things like :Show() and such |
| 15:56.51 | End_ | you don't really have to do such ugly names |
| 15:56.57 | Vladinator | yes I am aware, but what I mean is if each module adds some keys it may start to overwrite each other :P like two different palces adding a frame.isPlayerRegistered = true when it's only true for one of those frames |
| 15:57.14 | Antze | I don't want name collisions inside the frames |
| 15:57.19 | End_ | nobody else is going to touch your frames except under rare circumstances |
| 15:57.29 | End_ | and at worse you override a metatable provided method |
| 15:57.36 | Torhal|work | Then name the fields module-appropriate and have them clean up after themselves when disabled. |
| 15:57.37 | Antze | and I'm aware they are just tables, the question was more philosophical and architectural |
| 15:57.38 | nevcairiel | a frames table is empty, except the [0] member |
| 15:57.47 | nevcairiel | and a metatable |
| 15:57.59 | Torhal|work | Just saying - if you think about what you're doing it isn't scary at all :) |
| 15:58.08 | nevcairiel | as long as you refrain from adding stuff that overwrites the default functions, its just fine |
| 15:59.29 | foxlit | what's a module, anyway? |
| 15:59.41 | End_ | a miserable pile of code |
| 15:59.42 | Vladinator | my flaw in this code was that I use one common frame that all modules use, so if 2 load then those share one frame with registered events and such, hehe :P |
| 15:59.47 | Antze | you are going too philosophic |
| 16:00.02 | Vladinator | but I wanted to have reusable frames so now I pay the price lol |
| 16:00.38 | Vladinator | should perhaps have done it so one module always has a frame for itself but perhaps next time ;) |
| 16:00.46 | Vladinator | this isn't exactly code I am releasing for anything |
| 16:00.59 | Vladinator | maybe I'll rework it later |
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| 16:01.55 | foxlit | I don't think *anything* actually reuses frames on any significant scale |
| 16:02.28 | foxlit | Usually, it's constrained to specific blocks of code reusing specific types of frames *internally*. |
| 16:03.47 | foxlit | (unless it's implementing your own everything like RDX) |
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| 16:07.35 | Vladinator | curious, does GetAttribute work on normal Frames? |
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| 16:09.21 | Vladinator | and no when I ask it doesn't mean I will use it right now on a frame lol |
| 16:12.44 | Antze | http://www.wowpedia.org/API_Frame_GetAttribute ? |
| 16:12.52 | Antze | says "Frame"... |
| 16:13.08 | Antze | maybe it will just return nil |
| 16:13.38 | jnwhiteh | you can use attributes on frames |
| 16:13.41 | jnwhiteh | they don't have to be secure |
| 16:17.39 | nevcairiel | its not really useful if you dont need to communicate either with the restricted env or with blizzard code, though |
| 16:18.21 | nevcairiel | well maybe if you want to leverage OnAttributeChanged as some kind of update handler |
| 16:20.17 | neutronimity | https://github.com/phanx/wow-globalstrings <- this is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:20.34 | neutronimity | pray it gets updated often :p |
| 16:21.35 | jnwhiteh | given the amount of spare time phanx seems to have |
| 16:21.39 | jnwhiteh | with things being reported on wowinterface.com |
| 16:21.42 | jnwhiteh | I think its likely |
| 16:21.43 | Sintacks | did blizzard just change eula o.O |
| 16:22.31 | nevcairiel | you can grab all the language packs from blizzard, its really not that more of effort then keeping a framexml export updated |
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| 16:30.59 | foxlit | standard shipping: 7 - 21 working days (wtf, amazon?) |
| 16:31.39 | Sintacks | lol for what |
| 16:32.14 | foxlit | a book. |
| 16:32.27 | foxlit | which is in stock |
| 16:32.33 | foxlit | and their express delivery option says 1 - 2 days |
| 16:33.08 | Fisker | don't be mad foxlit |
| 16:33.12 | Fisker | buy express shipping |
| 16:33.20 | Fisker | and find out that standard shipping is still pretty fast |
| 16:33.35 | Fisker | anything i've gotten from amazon.co.uk has arrived within a few days |
| 16:33.46 | foxlit | it's .de, though |
| 16:34.10 | Fisker | same shit probably |
| 16:34.47 | Fisker | infact it's a stonethrow away from DK so might even be faster |
| 16:36.43 | nevcairiel | throws a stone at Fisker |
| 16:37.23 | foxlit | I wish they'd fix UIPanelButtonTemplate |
| 16:37.46 | foxlit | The right cap is smudged. |
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| 16:52.32 | foxlit | hm, but only in gluexml. I must be wrong about the template's name. |
| 16:56.27 | Vladinator | is there an easier way to pickup a flyout button, than going trough spellbook slots and using PickupSpellBookItem ? |
| 16:59.14 | neutronimity | nevcairiel - still unwilling to download all the language pacs incl. sound files |
| 16:59.27 | neutronimity | it#s huge download :( |
| 17:10.09 | Vladinator | for those who care, if you ever need to pickup a flyout spell from the book, you gotta go trough all spells and compare names. talking about when you backup actionbars, it returns "flyout" and the id, you can use GetFlyoutInfo to get the name, then you compare that to GetSpellBookItemName and if it's correct you PickupSpellBookItem that slot |
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| 17:19.13 | karl_w_w | foxlit: use UIPanelButtonTemplate2 |
| 17:19.44 | foxlit | karl_w_w: you should resubscribe to wow :) |
| 17:19.59 | karl_w_w | hm? |
| 17:20.16 | nevcairiel | UIPanelButtonTemplate was removed, and 2 renamed to it |
| 17:21.32 | karl_w_w | nice |
| 17:21.52 | karl_w_w | foxlit: it's not smudged, whatchubinsmokin? |
| 17:22.33 | foxlit | karl_w_w: the next line was "foxlit: hm, but only in gluexml. I must be wrong about the template's name." |
| 17:23.13 | nevcairiel | whatcha doing in gluexml anyway |
| 17:24.58 | karl_w_w | ooh i found a bug |
| 17:25.02 | karl_w_w | im so excited |
| 17:25.14 | foxlit | nevcairiel: staring at the character selection screen :) |
| 17:25.49 | karl_w_w | if a glyph teaches you a spell, when you switch into that spec it puts the spell on your bar, pushing a spell from your bar onto your cursor |
| 17:26.08 | nevcairiel | i thought they fixed that |
| 17:26.12 | nevcairiel | only happend in beta for me |
| 17:26.24 | karl_w_w | keeps happening with glyph of illusion |
| 17:26.59 | karl_w_w | but only with one of my specs even though i have the glyph in both |
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| 17:35.53 | karl_w_w | let's all drink til the beer runs dry |
| 17:36.27 | Unkle | In heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here. |
| 17:37.09 | TC-Work | Thats why the really smart people go to Valhalla |
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| 17:40.45 | alestane | "He who drinks, gets drunk; he who gets drunk, falls asleep; he who falls asleep, does not sin; he who does not sin, goes to Heaven... |
| 17:40.56 | alestane | "So let's all drink our way into Heaven!" |
| 17:41.56 | Unkle | I prefer the advice, "Go forth and sin some more." |
| 17:42.12 | bluspacecow | *FORNICATES WITH UNKLE* |
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| 17:46.49 | Krapsy | Unkle: i did not see that written anywhere, do you have a special edition of some kind? |
| 17:47.25 | Unkle | Krapsy It was the catchphrase of a "cardinal" at the Maryland Ren Faire. |
| 17:47.34 | Krapsy | heh |
| 17:48.09 | Unkle | He was particularly drunk and oggling the ... tracts of land ... my friend was displaying. |
| 17:48.41 | Unkle | He turned to me, winked and said "Go forth and sin some more." |
| 17:49.01 | bluspacecow | now is your friend male or female |
| 17:49.05 | bluspacecow | cause it works either way :P |
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| 17:50.06 | Unkle | She was very female. And had very large development-ready tracts. |
| 17:50.43 | Dagmar | Well... |
| 17:50.43 | karl_w_w | sin now; deathbed catholicism |
| 17:51.04 | Dagmar | I take no credit for the deranged http redirect to an IP address, but... |
| 17:51.34 | Dagmar | http://listvue.com <-- apparently you can query to find out if you or your friends are terrorists |
| 17:52.40 | karl_w_w | i am |
| 17:52.43 | Dagmar | Thankfully I am in none of the denied party lists |
| 17:53.11 | karl_w_w | i not have a dot tracking addon that doesn't use CLEU at all |
| 17:53.15 | karl_w_w | so proud |
| 17:53.39 | karl_w_w | s/not/now/ |
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| 18:04.55 | Vladinator | does RegisterUnitEvent support CLEU? |
| 18:05.21 | Torhal|work | CLEU is an event :D |
| 18:05.45 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt support it |
| 18:05.49 | nevcairiel | CLEU doesnt even have unit information |
| 18:05.52 | Torhal|work | Seriously, though, I'm not aware of any that is off limits to it |
| 18:05.58 | Torhal|work | Ah |
| 18:06.02 | Torhal|work | This is true. |
| 18:06.07 | nevcairiel | it only works for events that have unit as the first parameter |
| 18:06.16 | nevcairiel | so, mostly UNIT_* |
| 18:06.44 | Vladinator | shame, I need CLEU to track interrupts, would make it a lot more performance friendly if my function only fired when the unit that does things is me :P |
| 18:07.10 | Torhal|work | local PLAYER_GUID = UnitGUID("player") |
| 18:07.18 | Torhal|work | if source_guid = PLAYER_GUID then |
| 18:07.24 | Vladinator | that's what I do ofc :P |
| 18:07.29 | Torhal|work | The first line should be done outside the function |
| 18:07.32 | Torhal|work | :D |
| 18:07.49 | Vladinator | but in LFR the fps always drops down more than it does without any addons :P |
| 18:07.53 | Torhal|work | An if-check like that isn't much :) |
| 18:07.53 | Vladinator | so something combat related I am sure |
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| 18:08.32 | Unkle | Trying to make sense of volume licensing is ... aggravating. |
| 18:08.43 | Torhal|work | reboots Unkle. |
| 18:08.46 | Torhal|work | There. fream memory. |
| 18:08.50 | Torhal|work | fresh* |
| 18:08.54 | Torhal|work | Good lord, typing is hard. |
| 18:09.20 | Unkle | Could that reboot come with a shot of whiskey, a beer chaser and oh... a cheseburger and chili fries? |
| 18:09.40 | Torhal|work | You're asking for more than The Internet can deliver, I'm afraid. |
| 18:09.46 | Torhal|work | Need MOAR bandwidth. |
| 18:09.49 | Unkle | Damn it. |
| 18:10.22 | Vladinator | hey Unkle lemme ask you, I got 4 identical machines, can I prep one for deployment then clone the HDD and apply it to the other 3 machines? it will ask me for serial at boot but there won't be other conflicts right? windows 7. atm using ubuntu and it works perfectly :P |
| 18:10.58 | Dagmar | Unkle: You're not supposed to make sense of it. You're supposed to take the number of machines you have, add the number of employees you have, multiply the result by two, and buy that many licences on a first right of refusal contract that lasts three years. |
| 18:11.04 | Torhal|work | If it's identical hardware. |
| 18:11.06 | Unkle | Vladinator Yes, you can create an inamge and use it to configure all the machines. |
| 18:11.28 | Unkle | Dagmar sounds about right. |
| 18:11.31 | Dagmar | You will have to change the serial number after the fact unless you have an OEM serial |
| 18:11.48 | Unkle | Or unles you a a Volume License Key |
| 18:11.50 | Dagmar | Otherwise, subsequent activations on the same serial will likely fail |
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| 18:12.01 | Torhal|work | watches the bots take Dagmar down for imagined copyright violations. |
| 18:12.21 | nevcairiel | I've also learned, it helps changing the GUID of the PCs after cloning |
| 18:12.36 | nevcairiel | or SID its called in windows world |
| 18:12.49 | Dagmar | Ghost just handles that stuff on it's own afaik |
| 18:12.55 | nevcairiel | possibly |
| 18:13.01 | nevcairiel | its been quite a while |
| 18:13.31 | Dagmar | It does whne you buy the pricey licence meant for that |
| 18:14.18 | Unkle | I don't even have ghost. This set up is small enough and hardware purchased piecemeal enough that it hasn't really made sense to shell out for ghost. |
| 18:18.04 | starlon | ~api talent |
| 18:18.04 | purl | !api talent |
| 18:18.05 | lua_bot | Found 25 possible matches for 'talent'. Please be more specific or check Google search results: http://is.gd/O6LG29 |
| 18:20.09 | starlon | ~framexml |
| 18:20.09 | purl | somebody said framexml was Blizzard's UI for WoW. Export code/art from the client by using the wow.exe -console or open 'World of Warcraft.app' --args -console after game loads press ~ and enter commands "ExportInterfaceFiles code" and "ExportInterfaceFiles art" (must be used on login screen); or view it online at http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source , http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser or http://wow.go-hero.net/framexml |
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| 18:58.41 | TC-Work | Vladinator: you will need to change hostnames. You will also need to it before joining AD should that be the case |
| 18:59.00 | Vladinator | jupp |
| 18:59.08 | Vladinator | can I make a script to run at startup to do it for me? :P |
| 18:59.12 | TC-Work | yes |
| 18:59.15 | Vladinator | pick one of the available names? |
| 18:59.18 | Vladinator | no AD server |
| 18:59.29 | Vladinator | only local network in that case |
| 18:59.59 | TC-Work | we have a sql DB of hotname/mac addy's and it queries via mac and changes hostname on the fly |
| 19:00.10 | TC-Work | for the image anyway |
| 19:00.45 | TC-Work | hostname* |
| 19:02.49 | starlon | hisses at authors who put icons on the minimap by default. |
| 19:05.04 | durcyn | remove libdbicon and patch anything that doesn't call it silently |
| 19:05.13 | durcyn | that's 97% of them |
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| 19:09.05 | Esamynn|work | starlon: yes? |
| 19:13.11 | zenzelezz | http://imgur.com/a/eWV57 |
| 19:13.32 | Torhal|work | starlon: I put mine on the minimap by default because for folks without an LDB display that's the only way they have to interface. |
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| 19:16.15 | TC-Work | Torhal|work: no cli? |
| 19:16.34 | Torhal|work | For a small tooltip-derived data display? |
| 19:16.37 | Torhal|work | Bah. |
| 19:16.41 | Primer | bah, wine can't patch... |
| 19:16.58 | Primer | git pulls, makes -j2 |
| 19:18.01 | kd3 | -j2? slacker. go -j6 and really up your load |
| 19:22.20 | durcyn | "up your load" |
| 19:22.45 | kd3 | >.> |
| 19:22.47 | kd3 | <.< |
| 19:35.29 | TC-Work | can you stack appends in python? eg. foo.append('bar').append('bar').append('bar') etc. |
| 19:37.00 | Esamynn|work | RTFM? |
| 19:37.17 | Semlar | you probably can, but why |
| 19:37.35 | TC-Work | so it takes up less space? |
| 19:37.52 | Semlar | less space than foo.append('barbarbar')? |
| 19:37.52 | nilyaK | read that as MtF something, I'm not sure what the R is *overly aware* |
| 19:38.07 | TC-Work | Esamynn|work: thank you, that one completly escaped my notice |
| 19:38.29 | Esamynn|work | always happy to help! :) |
| 19:38.31 | TC-Work | completely* |
| 19:38.37 | TC-Work | Yes, i am sure tyou are... |
| 19:38.40 | TC-Work | you* |
| 19:38.46 | Semlar | nevermind i thought that was a string function |
| 19:39.41 | TC-Work | Actually, i still have not found in there manual where it talks about stacking like that |
| 19:39.47 | Torhal|work | Is this "Be a Dick Day", or is this all a coincidence? :) |
| 19:40.13 | Jamash | TC-Work: no |
| 19:40.16 | TC-Work | It's always "Be a dick to TC day" |
| 19:40.22 | TC-Work | Jamash: ok, thanks |
| 19:41.01 | Jamash | you want foo.extend(['bar', 'bar', 'bar']) |
| 19:41.41 | TC-Work | damnit, i was happy with the words i already knew... |
| 19:41.45 | TC-Work | goes to look it up |
| 19:43.05 | Esamynn|work | TC-Work: check for whether the append method returns the object you called it on or not |
| 19:43.25 | Torhal|work | Jamash is correct for Python lists. |
| 19:43.38 | Jamash | it doesn't |
| 19:43.59 | Esamynn|work | then stacking won't work |
| 19:44.20 | Jamash | python -c 'a=["a"];print(a.append("b").append("c"))' gives "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'append'" |
| 19:45.00 | Jamash | doing one-liners on the command line is an excellent way to test whether or not something works by the way |
| 19:45.22 | Semlar | ba dum tss |
| 19:45.31 | TC-Work | assuming you know how to do one liners, that would have taken me a few lines |
| 19:47.13 | TC-Work | hell, i still cant find extend in the doc's |
| 19:47.15 | Jamash | well, quoted strings on the command line can extend over multiple lines |
| 19:47.28 | Jamash | http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html#sequence-types-str-unicode-list-tuple-bytearray-buffer-xrange |
| 19:47.34 | Semlar | http://docs.python.org/tutorial/datastructures.html |
| 19:48.21 | TC-Work | interesting, it does not have it's own section |
| 19:48.59 | Jamash | as the table points out, it's just syntactic sugar |
| 19:49.07 | Semlar | you're syntactic sugar |
| 19:49.16 | Jamash | why thank you, that's very sweet |
| 19:50.19 | TC-Work | Thanks guys |
| 19:58.16 | alestane | http://www.damnlol.com/essays-written-in-programming-languages-24747.html |
| 19:58.23 | Jamash | Semlar: If I'm Fisker's understudy, are you trying out to be my understudy? |
| 19:58.58 | Semlar | i'm no man's understudy! |
| 19:59.11 | Jamash | I'm not a man |
| 19:59.18 | Jamash | I'm a troll |
| 19:59.20 | Jamash | joo want axe? |
| 20:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | Very flowerpot, alestane. |
| 20:01.02 | Torhal|work | from new_england import Lopeppeppy |
| 20:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. |
| 20:01.32 | Lopeppeppy | From here! http://www.thewaytowanakena.com/ |
| 20:02.45 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:03.14 | Torhal|work | Why so jersk, Fisker? |
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| 20:08.09 | Unkle | Station |
| 20:08.34 | TC-Work | I'll take two |
| 20:11.29 | Unkle | Keep calm and destroy Aldreaan. |
| 20:12.04 | Jamash | note to self: don't have levitate on while doing the humanoid cannonball |
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| 20:17.15 | Fisker | Aldreaan? |
| 20:17.46 | TC-Work | fail troll Fisker |
| 20:17.57 | Fisker | amd TC-Work ? |
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| 20:18.30 | TC-Work | no, i prefer intel Fisker |
| 20:18.36 | Fisker | good |
| 20:19.02 | TC-Work | or rather, i prefer whichever is better |
| 20:19.28 | TC-Work | which since not long after i started building my own computers has been intel |
| 20:20.14 | Jamash | Flowers for Alderaan. |
| 20:23.59 | nilyaK | afk boobs... or something. |
| 20:25.41 | TC-Work | oh good, because what i really wanted to do right now is learn perl |
| 20:26.04 | TC-Work | stabs someone |
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| 20:38.23 | Adys | Arrowmaster Dagmar: need some help. I have a deleted file with important contents on /dev/sda3. the disk is unmounted but i have access to a very limited set of tools (cant install anything) |
| 20:38.40 | Adys | i know the contents are still in /dev/sda3, i grepped for a sentence present only in that file |
| 20:39.23 | Adys | i originally wrote a python script to find the file but the rescue doesnt have python |
| 20:39.56 | AcidWeb | You missing most important information. What file system? EXT4? |
| 20:40.26 | nevcairiel | if you know a sentence inthe file, then just grep for it, and instruct grep to print leading and trailing context, if you know the approx size and the position of that line in the file |
| 20:40.52 | nevcairiel | it wont be accurate, but you can get all content |
| 20:40.56 | AcidWeb | ^ |
| 20:41.07 | Adys | nevcairiel: i did that originally, but it just says binary file /dev/sda3 matches |
| 20:41.15 | nevcairiel | use -a |
| 20:41.23 | Adys | i dont think that helps |
| 20:41.58 | nevcairiel | grep -i -a -B<lines of leading context> -A<lines of trailing context> /dev/sda3 > out |
| 20:42.05 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 20:42.11 | nevcairiel | add the matching text in there too :P |
| 20:42.49 | Adys | fyi -Cx is the same as -Bx -Ax |
| 20:43.28 | nevcairiel | but maybe you know the line is at the top and dont need the same context in both directions :P |
| 20:44.02 | nevcairiel | anyway, good luck |
| 20:46.14 | Stanzilla | http://de.webfail.at/uploads/images/5295/post.jpg i hope this is real |
| 20:46.39 | foxlit | bs |
| 20:46.40 | Ressy | fake |
| 20:47.06 | Dagmar | Stanzilla: not even a tiny chance |
| 20:47.21 | Ackis | someone did the math and $5 billion in nickles was like 85% of the total |
| 20:47.37 | Dagmar | ...not to mention the sheer weight of them all |
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| 20:49.38 | Gnarfoz | and the size, too |
| 20:49.50 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: http://www.scienceblogs.de/planeten/2012/08/warum-die-geschichte-dass-samsung-seine-strafe-mit-30-trucks-voller-5-cent-munzen-bezahlt-ein-hoax-sein-muss.php |
| 20:51.14 | Stanzilla | ook |
| 20:51.57 | TC-Work | i love google translate "How many trucks would be needed really vollzukriegen a billion?" |
| 20:52.36 | Gnarfoz | at least they got milliarde/billion right |
| 20:53.48 | Primer | Adys: You can always install stuff into your home directory |
| 20:54.00 | Primer | I believe you can get a static version of photorec |
| 20:54.14 | Adys | Primer: its no good |
| 20:54.27 | Adys | those apps are only good for deleted files |
| 20:54.31 | Adys | i tried extundelete too |
| 20:54.37 | Adys | but this is an overwritten file, not finding it |
| 20:54.37 | Primer | which is something I've used to recover stuff from block devices that had their partition tables wiped somehow |
| 20:55.12 | nevcairiel | wiped partitions is not that bad, you can just re-create it if you still know the layout and it should work |
| 20:55.13 | Primer | In my experience, photorec will recover anything it finds |
| 20:55.20 | Primer | and it finds a lot of shit |
| 20:55.35 | Primer | nevcairiel: yeah, I know, I tried that, but it didn't work |
| 20:55.35 | Adys | really? |
| 20:55.43 | Adys | do you have a link for linux amd64? |
| 20:56.01 | Primer | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 20:56.07 | Primer | presumably that's what you mean? |
| 20:56.49 | Arrowmaster | the file has been overwritten yet you can find it with grep? |
| 20:57.02 | Primer | files aren't always contiguous |
| 20:57.17 | Gnarfoz | if it has actually been overwritten in the same space, you're out of luck anyway, barring fragmented pieces |
| 20:57.18 | Arrowmaster | the overwritten part is fucking gone |
| 20:57.22 | Arrowmaster | you arent getting it back |
| 20:57.33 | Adys | Arrowmaster: it was a 100kb file overwritten by like 2-3 chars |
| 20:57.37 | Gnarfoz | oh well |
| 20:57.44 | Gnarfoz | you should be able to get the rest then |
| 20:57.45 | Adys | it was an erroneous &> instead of >> |
| 20:57.48 | Adys | yeah |
| 20:57.49 | nevcairiel | 2-3 chars means it wrote at least a 4kb block |
| 20:57.57 | Gnarfoz | 512b |
| 20:57.57 | Adys | its fine if i dont recover it all |
| 20:58.04 | Adys | but i want to salvage what i can |
| 20:58.08 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: file systems use 4kb blocks usually =p |
| 20:58.11 | Primer | aww the distro I have gives me a shared lib version |
| 20:58.23 | nevcairiel | even if the hardware is 512b |
| 20:58.32 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: "usually" doesn't really apply with no info at all :D |
| 20:58.46 | Gnarfoz | Primer: theirs are static, though |
| 20:58.53 | Adys | Primer: i take it i should run photorec with sda3 unmounted? |
| 20:58.59 | Primer | Adys: indeed |
| 20:59.06 | Adys | ill give it a shot |
| 20:59.10 | Primer | the recommended method is to create an image though |
| 20:59.13 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: 4kb is the default, and there really is no reason to change it =p |
| 20:59.17 | Primer | but I'm sure that's prohibitive |
| 20:59.18 | Gnarfoz | (if this was critical stuff, you should run it against a dd image...) |
| 20:59.20 | Primer | for a large disk |
| 20:59.40 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: there's plenty reason to change it if you're not running a general-purpose fs ^^ |
| 21:00.05 | Gnarfoz | of course, for something like... /, I guess it's finde ;p |
| 21:00.06 | Gnarfoz | -d |
| 21:00.27 | Adys | ffs |
| 21:00.33 | Adys | i dont have a net connection on this |
| 21:00.45 | Gnarfoz | ifup |
| 21:00.46 | Gnarfoz | ? :D |
| 21:00.50 | Adys | ill let grep finish its work and just reboot into grml |
| 21:01.06 | Gnarfoz | grml ftw |
| 21:01.07 | Primer | I bet grml comes with photorec :) |
| 21:01.27 | Gnarfoz | it does |
| 21:01.45 | Primer | makes sense |
| 21:04.34 | Arrowmaster | lol http://imgur.com/yXXvD |
| 21:08.03 | Gnarfoz | from related on that: http://imgur.com/fgk5N -_- |
| 21:10.30 | Jamash | new advanced format disks have 4k basic sectors |
| 21:11.50 | Adys | grep on 1tb hd is so fucking slow |
| 21:11.53 | Adys | kill me |
| 21:12.54 | Jamash | ~kill Adys |
| 21:12.54 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-neutrino gun at Adys |
| 21:17.01 | Gnarfoz | "advanced format" is such a shit name for it |
| 21:17.03 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 21:17.42 | Jamash | what would you suggest? |
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| 21:18.15 | Jamash | I agree that it's generic as hell |
| 21:18.49 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: you should look at the mess that is the *HCI's |
| 21:20.26 | Arrowmaster | theres A E O U HCI's all we are missing is an IHCI |
| 21:20.53 | zenzelezz | YHCI |
| 21:21.05 | Jamash | əhci |
| 21:23.14 | Arrowmaster | seriously the naming of different thing in the computer industry is so fucking terrible, they should just stick to version numbers or naming it based on year |
| 21:24.14 | zenzelezz | TWAIN |
| 21:25.37 | Unkle | Computer-related names are worse than the german system of making up new names by slapping together words for other things. |
| 21:25.40 | zenzelezz | videocard version names always confused me |
| 21:26.20 | zenzelezz | Radeon going from four-digit to three-digit, then back to four-digit... they'll be back at 9800 again soon |
| 21:26.28 | zenzelezz | GeForce same story |
| 21:27.20 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: YAHCI? ;) |
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| 21:27.44 | Gnarfoz | Jamash: dunno, don't invent a name and just put "4 KiB sector size" on the data sheet? :| that's too easy, probably |
| 21:28.21 | Jamash | there are so many compatibility issues you need a way to talk about it that everyone can agree on |
| 21:28.23 | zenzelezz | speaking of stupid names... kibi? mibi? |
| 21:28.25 | Arrowmaster | isnt that what everybody but western digital are doing? |
| 21:28.37 | Gnarfoz | hm? |
| 21:28.38 | zenzelezz | or is it mebi |
| 21:28.42 | Gnarfoz | it's mebi |
| 21:28.44 | zenzelezz | the names along sunk those for me |
| 21:28.47 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: what do you mean? |
| 21:28.48 | zenzelezz | *alone |
| 21:28.52 | Gnarfoz | WD calls them Advanced Format |
| 21:29.11 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: i thought only WD was using the term Advanced Format, and everybody else just didnt have a name for it |
| 21:29.11 | Gnarfoz | (as does everyone (i.e. the other 2 HDD manufacturers) else) |
| 21:29.18 | Gnarfoz | well... hm |
| 21:29.29 | Gnarfoz | not so sure right now :D |
| 21:29.38 | Jamash | Advanced Format is the official, trademarked name |
| 21:29.46 | Gnarfoz | trademarked |
| 21:29.47 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 21:30.02 | Gnarfoz | can I write it in yellow without going to jail? |
| 21:30.13 | Jamash | well, the logo is trademarked |
| 21:30.16 | Jamash | dunno about the name |
| 21:31.37 | Jamash | or not |
| 21:31.59 | Jamash | I just assumed they'd trademark the logo so people couldn't use it on stuff that doesn't use the standard |
| 21:35.04 | Vladinator | FYI I fixed my addon with modules by making a addon:GetAvailableFrame() to provide a frame it can do what ever it wants with, register events properly and such, and it cleans up when done :P |
| 21:35.10 | Vladinator | I hope nevcairiel is happy now :P |
| 21:35.45 | Gnarfoz | clean up only goes so far - you'll never get rid of the frame, in the end ;p |
| 21:35.53 | Gnarfoz | (not that it matters unless you're creating tons of them) |
| 21:36.38 | Vladinator | yes |
| 21:36.48 | Vladinator | I know, that's why they are recycled! |
| 21:36.52 | Vladinator | my addon is green :P |
| 21:37.21 | Vladinator | at first I wanted to make it so modules shared one frame but that made more problems than fixed so I went with good ol' frames |
| 21:37.25 | Vladinator | multiple* |
| 21:39.51 | Vladinator | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz |
| 21:41.54 | End_ | Most referenced nicks: Ackis, 34 times |
| 21:42.39 | Ackis | huh? |
| 21:42.59 | End_ | wowuidev stats |
| 21:43.00 | End_ | hi ackis |
| 21:43.08 | End_ | I'm keeping your referenced count high |
| 21:43.34 | TC-Work | i suspect they are all hatred references though |
| 21:43.42 | End_ | not all |
| 21:43.48 | End_ | some are killing people using ackis |
| 21:43.54 | TC-Work | fair enough |
| 21:43.59 | End_ | although fisker is probably more popular for that |
| 21:47.47 | Ackis | End_: everyone and their dog pings me, especially Torhal |
| 21:48.00 | End_ | hehe |
| 21:48.16 | TC-Work | I think in this channel it would be cat's, not ddogs |
| 21:48.19 | TC-Work | dogs* |
| 21:48.53 | Ackis | in this channel, we love all critters |
| 21:49.03 | Torhal | Fuck off, Ackis. I'm rewriting your recipe list again. |
| 21:49.24 | kagaro | lol again for the what 10th time |
| 21:49.39 | Torhal | I'm getting rid of LibBabble-Zone completely. |
| 21:49.59 | Torhal | Since the continent names aren't available via GetMapNameByID I had to be creative. |
| 21:50.01 | kagaro | ohh btw I'm working on streamlining the data tools package to make it a proper gem |
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| 21:52.04 | Torhal | Cool |
| 21:55.08 | Ackis | I tried talking to you in game Torhal |
| 21:55.39 | Torhal | Ackis: I probably typed /reload without oticing |
| 21:55.44 | Torhal | noticing |
| 21:55.56 | Ackis | I figured |
| 21:55.58 | mckenziemc | ~smackis |
| 21:55.58 | purl | ACTION smacks Ackis. |
| 21:56.08 | Ackis | it was either that or you were intentionally ignoring me to hurt my feelings |
| 21:56.24 | Torhal | Ackis: There is always that. :D |
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| 22:00.05 | Sintacks | wtb setting to cancelform for mounting when you are a form that can't mount (tree, cat, bird, etc) -- but not shadowform |
| 22:01.38 | Jamash | make a different macro for your priest |
| 22:01.40 | mckenziemc | macros Sintacks |
| 22:03.25 | Sintacks | i have a single macro for all chars now, in global, because of shared mounts. and i haven't got room to add a cancel for tree form (cuz that's what i'm in most) |
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| 22:19.05 | Adys_ | fml |
| 22:19.10 | Adys_ | it was the fucking history log |
| 22:19.14 | Adys_ | of me grepping for the god damn thing |
| 22:19.16 | Adys_ | that matched |
| 22:19.26 | Primer | doh |
| 22:19.32 | TC-Work | oh my |
| 22:19.34 | Primer | Did you end up using photorec? |
| 22:19.38 | Adys_ | nah |
| 22:19.39 | Adys_ | tried |
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| 23:26.43 | TC-Work | http://gizmodo.com/5940796/utorrent-download-torrents-directly-to-your-phone this can't end well |
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| 23:37.55 | pompy | AVGTechnologies better announce something positive if the tagline is "something BIG is about to happen" ! |
| 23:38.08 | pompy | http://www.facebook.com/avgfree?v=app_196506863720166 |
| 23:42.50 | Ressy | I doubt what whatever they announce will have Blizzard/Tech Support MVPs recommend their product. |
| 23:43.34 | Ressy | as it is, the first recommendation when AVG is on the system "Please uninstall AVG as it interferes in the WoW patching process." |
| 23:43.55 | Gnarfoz | that's an... interesting perspective |
| 23:44.16 | pompy | does it Ressy? no problems here |
| 23:44.34 | Ressy | and are you at least a semi-experienced user? :P |
| 23:44.55 | Gnarfoz | why would anyone - ever - look to a gaming company or random people on that company's public forums when looking for unrelated software |
| 23:45.30 | pompy | me Gnarfoz? |
| 23:45.41 | Gnarfoz | you, what? :D |
| 23:45.41 | pompy | are you referring to me? |
| 23:45.59 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 23:46.14 | Ressy | Some users have issues with setting up exceptions.. Don't want to/can't follow the instructions for adding exceptions to allow wow to patch. |
| 23:46.36 | Ressy | therefore, uninstall it. update wow, install mse. |
| 23:46.46 | Gnarfoz | they're idiots, what else is new |
| 23:46.50 | Ressy | its pretty much idiot-proof, and doens't interfere with wow |
| 23:46.55 | Ressy | nods |
| 23:50.07 | pompy | punches those users then :D |
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