| 00:16.34 | Krapsy | haha Stanzilla posts on the blizz forums |
| 00:17.12 | Vladinator | ah, start up sound, made me giggle once more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt1bgsvsWms#t=50s |
| 00:18.59 | Krapsy | its not really that long right? |
| 00:19.11 | Vladinator | I wish mine was :( |
| 00:21.24 | Krapsy | " The class lead for Warlocks messed up Ghostcrawler's Chipotle order one day, and this is how he exacts his revenge." |
| 00:21.43 | Krapsy | (re the removal of HGWT) |
| 00:28.45 | Amarande | hrm. browser problem or is the armory buggy? |
| 00:29.03 | Amarande | when you try to sort recipes under a character's profession by anything, it seems to always sort them by name regardless of which column you clicked on |
| 00:31.33 | Krapsy | sucks for iranian players :( http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5168067998?page=97#1933 |
| 00:32.31 | xyphoid | ouch |
| 00:33.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure the iranian people are pretty used to this sort of thing nowadays |
| 00:33.50 | Amarande | You can play WoW from Iran? |
| 00:34.14 | Amarande | I thought they were pretty well isolated from the Internet ... IIRC, they're even the one country in the world that doesn't have access to ... Google Play Store for Android, I think it is |
| 00:36.06 | Amarande | Yup. "Google Play makes free applications available worldwide except in Iran." |
| 00:36.33 | Amarande | Wow. That puts them in a very special level of oppression, as it implies that even *North Koreans* have access to Google Play. |
| 00:36.37 | xyphoid | but that's not because iran doesn't have internet, it's a business |
| 00:36.44 | xyphoid | er, a business restriction |
| 00:38.41 | Dagmar | Ya'll do realize there's restrictions on what US companies can sell to Iran and India, right? |
| 00:39.27 | Krapsy | india? |
| 00:40.12 | Dagmar | I *think* that's still in effect for them. China maybe as well |
| 00:43.42 | Dagmar | In the case of most nations it doesn't mean they can't possibly ever buy certain tech, but that those sales are _tightly_ restricted |
| 00:43.57 | Dagmar | Night-vision gear, surveillance gear, and particularly _computing_ technology |
| 00:44.06 | TC-Work | oh good, sendmail on cent6 running in ESXi fails, because i dont have enough problems |
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| 00:47.56 | Dagmar | Thanks to Ahmadinijad being a colossal douche, there's very little a US company can sell to Iran, "smart phone" or not, it's capable of a lot of number-crunching, so they're definitely export-restricted. If you can't sell the phones there you aren't going to make any approvers happy by selling softwre for hardware that's not supposed to be there |
| 00:48.55 | Dagmar | The DoD will figuratively _cornhole_ you for ITAR violations to there |
| 00:50.47 | Krapsy | ouch |
| 00:52.21 | xyphoid | and really it becomes a rational business decision to give up on the iran market because do you want to risk messing up navigating the approvals |
| 00:54.45 | Dagmar | Yeah, per example Apple kinda screwed up training their people around the iPad2 release, which is why you saw news reports of people being turned away for just speaking Farsi where the sales clerk could hear it, but if you were careless enough to sell a half-dozen iPads to a foriegn national, the DoD wouldn't care how close to minimum wage you make. They'll fine both your employer *and* you if they're in a mood |
| 00:56.08 | Krapsy | Dagmar, in the US? |
| 00:56.14 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 00:56.31 | Dagmar | ITAR violations can get you into serious shit, very quickly |
| 00:56.54 | Krapsy | how does that work, you need you show your birth certificate when buying an ipad? |
| 00:57.11 | Dagmar | Not necessarily, but the DoD basically _does not care_ |
| 00:57.22 | Krapsy | :| |
| 00:57.25 | Dagmar | If they can argue that you should have been able to tell you shoudln't sell a buncha stuff to someone, you are just screwed |
| 00:57.33 | Krapsy | ah |
| 00:57.39 | Krapsy | yikes |
| 00:58.48 | Dagmar | Delll, Gateway, and so on, devote quite a bit of training materials to making it clear that you scrutinize anything that looks suspicious, including mentioning coastal cities where the company you're selling to is just listed as an "import/export business" means you kick that up to someone responsible for checking out the ITAR situations, or your ass is f-i-r-e-d |
| 01:06.58 | Jammer | how is DoD going to know who sold stuff like that? :p |
| 01:07.10 | TMc51 | sales records |
| 01:07.12 | Jammer | also they could just use someone local to buy it for them |
| 01:07.13 | Dagmar | If they find it, and no paperwork, they go call the manufacturee |
| 01:07.24 | Dagmar | er manufacturer |
| 01:07.39 | Dagmar | It's not just by chance that GnuPG source is only distributed _outside_ the US |
| 01:08.03 | Dagmar | The ship has kinda sailed on that one, but for ages it was a sticky point |
| 01:08.27 | Amarande | Heh, didn't they used to have to print out the source code and physically ship it overseas to develop PGP and the like? |
| 01:08.45 | Dagmar | We had to do some lawyer-work with IAWK just because our laptops had export-controlled crypto on them |
| 01:09.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yeah I remember hearing about stuff like that |
| 01:13.09 | Krapsy | ... |
| 01:13.27 | Krapsy | why are all the iranian posters mad at blizzard |
| 01:13.34 | Dagmar | It's an example of one of those laws that makes pretty much no sound at all when you break it |
| 01:13.53 | Dagmar | Just suddenly... guys with shiny metal helmets knocking on your door. |
| 01:16.47 | Krapsy | kinda messed up that they accepted mop orders though |
| 01:17.31 | Dagmar | Someone in legal probably got a dirty look from someone at BiS |
| 01:17.36 | Dagmar | er BIS |
| 01:17.48 | Krapsy | ? |
| 01:18.13 | Dagmar | Part of the dept of commerce, Bureau of Industry and Security |
| 01:18.32 | Dagmar | i.e., the people you have to send a postcard to if you are say, traveling overseas with crypto |
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| 01:19.00 | Dagmar | Looking at WP I can see some of the stuff I was worrying about in 2004 is no longer an issue. Thank god |
| 01:19.53 | Dagmar | *Now* apparently you can just tell them you're shipping some crypto packages, and you're fine--I suppsoe as long as you're not shipping them straight to Iran or something |
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| 02:45.50 | Torhal | Ackis: http://snapjudgment.org/society-indecency-naked-animals-sina |
| 02:52.11 | Semlar | if there's one thing animals love it's wearing clothes |
| 02:54.02 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/OSyZ9.jpg is this big enough for a minimap |
| 02:56.51 | Torhal | Cairenn: http://snapjudgment.org/society-indecency-naked-animals-sina |
| 02:57.17 | Cairenn | rolls her eyes |
| 02:57.25 | Torhal | Indeed. |
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| 02:59.54 | Torhal | Cairenn: Oh, so it's clear - it was satirical :) |
| 03:00.27 | Cairenn | Still, the sad part is that there are probably people out there that feel that way |
| 03:00.37 | Torhal | Oh, yah. |
| 03:01.12 | Torhal | Cairenn: Oh, definitely! "Beginning May 27, 1959 with a story on the Today Show, the Society for Indecency to Naked Animals (SINA), was Abel's most elaborate hoax. SINA's mission was to clothe naked animals throughout the world. They are best known today for their tagline: "A nude horse is a rude horse". As spokesman for the group, Buck Henry appeared on television and radio several times, including the CBS Evening News on August 21, |
| 03:01.12 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.16 | Torhal | ROFL |
| 03:01.46 | Cairenn | just shakes her head |
| 03:11.00 | Amarande | so this is how all those silly dog sweaters got their start, then? heh |
| 03:13.11 | kd3 | http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/multimedia/pia16105.html |
| 03:13.17 | kd3 | zomg |
| 03:15.10 | kd3 | if the url didn't obviously mention mars, my first thought would've been "This looks like the badlands in the American southwest." |
| 03:15.48 | Adys | aw |
| 03:15.50 | Adys | "I finally gave up trying to reproduce the problem on my own machine. Eventually, one incredibly helpful user offered to give me guest SSH access so I could see the bug manifest in vitro on his machine." |
| 03:15.56 | Adys | This is an "awww" moment |
| 03:16.05 | pompy1 | http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/figures/PIA16105_fig1.jpg |
| 03:16.07 | pompy1 | sweet |
| 03:16.54 | Adys | kd3: you can easily see the difference in the sky |
| 03:16.59 | Adys | mars' sky is much whiter |
| 03:19.30 | Adys | #if HAVE_USLEEP |
| 03:19.31 | xyphoid | those are pretty tall buttes too |
| 03:19.39 | xyphoid | when you look at the diagram with distances marked |
| 03:19.55 | Esamynn | has a dumb question |
| 03:19.57 | Adys | thats what you want to see in blog posts about "a problem that doesnt repro on the dev's computer" |
| 03:20.08 | Esamynn | how do you get to Pandaria in the beta now that they've remove the port npc? |
| 03:20.35 | kd3 | originally, the quests in sw/org. there are portals in sw/org that open up once you do the initial quests or three |
| 03:20.49 | kd3 | not far from the cata port areas |
| 03:22.09 | Esamynn | looks for quest icons |
| 03:22.25 | kd3 | it's an autoquest, you should get it the instant you enter the zone |
| 03:22.34 | Torhal | Esamynn: Valley of Honor |
| 03:22.37 | kd3 | if not, check the throne rooms |
| 03:22.58 | Esamynn | The King's Command? |
| 03:23.16 | Esamynn | yup, this has to be it |
| 03:24.15 | arton | And all hell breaks loose tomorrow. |
| 03:24.38 | kd3 | most of the soccer moms who come in to see me at work in the last week or two: http://i.imgur.com/L1LRB.jpg |
| 03:36.12 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:37.17 | Esamynn | ROFL, there is an invisible wall around the KEY npc for the Pandaria entry quest line |
| 03:37.39 | kd3 | blizz finally saw sense? yay |
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| 03:39.39 | xyphoid | relics are just going grey right? |
| 03:41.14 | kd3 | yah. wands/guns/bows will be MH/tuned upward |
| 03:45.50 | mckenziemc | what's happening with caster staffs |
| 03:46.00 | kd3 | nothing? |
| 03:46.15 | mckenziemc | so you can equip a staff and a wand still?+ |
| 03:46.23 | kd3 | no. staves are 2h |
| 03:46.37 | mckenziemc | so you choose between a wand or a staff now, then |
| 03:46.44 | kd3 | wands are like spell daggers, mh with an off-hand frill |
| 03:46.50 | mckenziemc | ah |
| 03:48.14 | Amarande | yeah, if you have any casters who don't have an i378 mh yet, grab the JP wand, 700 is a steal for a mh weapon which you'll have tomorrow |
| 03:51.06 | mckenziemc | are those wands going to change price after the patch? |
| 03:51.25 | mckenziemc | (the current ones) |
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| 04:02.18 | arton | nerfs mckenziemc's penetrating gaze. |
| 04:05.05 | Fisker | punches mckenziemc in the face |
| 04:08.07 | arton | that works too |
| 04:08.50 | Fisker | thanks |
| 04:09.51 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 04:12.24 | Fisker | i'm hungry kd3 |
| 04:12.33 | kd3 | well go make a sandwich |
| 04:13.33 | Fisker | not enough vespene gas |
| 04:14.05 | Fisker | i thought the lil' xt pet was only for people who were subscribing to the wow remote |
| 04:14.10 | arton | beans can help |
| 04:15.09 | arton | I need Windows. |
| 04:15.19 | arton | This installing Beta under Wine is getting old. |
| 04:15.39 | Fisker | install windows |
| 04:15.46 | arton | I have to buy it. |
| 04:16.13 | Adys | arton: whats wrong with wine? |
| 04:16.47 | Fisker | why arton ? |
| 04:17.04 | arton | beta keeps freezing. I was using dev git though. Now I figured out how to get AGent.exe to work with crossover. |
| 04:17.18 | arton | So we'll see |
| 04:17.27 | kd3 | new enough wine (1.5.8ish) works fine with agent |
| 04:17.37 | arton | nods. |
| 04:17.43 | Fisker | unnods |
| 04:18.01 | arton | I'm not sure what version crossover's using. I have to manually start Agent.exe |
| 04:18.05 | Torhal | anti-hey, Fisker |
| 04:18.14 | Fisker | no! |
| 04:18.22 | Fisker | fades out of existence |
| 04:18.25 | Ackis | Torhal: why aren't you on MSN you turdburgler? |
| 04:18.42 | Torhal | Ackis: Because you use boringly juvenile cutdowns. |
| 04:18.53 | Fisker | why aren't you Ackis ? |
| 04:18.54 | Ackis | but I need upvotes :( |
| 04:19.01 | Fisker | your mom is an upvote |
| 04:19.25 | arton | WoW's getting too damn big. |
| 04:19.39 | Fisker | madski? |
| 04:19.54 | arton | The directory is 19G and it says I have 20GB remaining. |
| 04:20.05 | kd3 | http://pastebin.com/UccPkEfH |
| 04:20.15 | kd3 | the three wow directories I have symlinked to ~ |
| 04:20.31 | MentalPower | Cairenn: can you tag Auctioneer as updated on our site? (not yet on WoWI/Curse as per usual Preview policy) |
| 04:20.38 | arton | kd3: lol |
| 04:20.42 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:21.07 | MentalPower | thankees :) |
| 04:21.15 | Ackis | ~dict quim |
| 04:21.15 | Cairenn | done |
| 04:21.52 | MentalPower | http://auctioneeraddon.com/dl/#preview is the (more direct) link |
| 04:21.53 | Ackis | Torhal: ^ |
| 04:21.56 | Fisker | this is inhumane |
| 04:22.15 | Torhal | Ackis: Foof. |
| 04:22.30 | bluspacecow | "Total Minutes: 441" |
| 04:22.41 | bluspacecow | ^^ playtime report for my battle.net acct |
| 04:22.51 | Cairenn | MentalPower: updated |
| 04:22.53 | ccox | note that the description says WoW 4.x |
| 04:22.53 | bluspacecow | motherofgod i'm playing again. |
| 04:22.54 | arton | shame it can't be 420 |
| 04:23.02 | bluspacecow | y? |
| 04:23.08 | mckenziemc | get a life bluspacecow |
| 04:23.12 | bluspacecow | lul |
| 04:23.34 | MentalPower | good catch ccox |
| 04:23.58 | mckenziemc | you wasted a whole 7.35 hours of your life that week |
| 04:23.58 | Thunder_Child | saiz you mckenziemc |
| 04:24.19 | mckenziemc | not so hey Thunder_Child |
| 04:24.20 | MentalPower | ccox: fixed |
| 04:24.22 | Fisker | why are you being parented bluspacecow ? |
| 04:24.31 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 04:24.49 | Thunder_Child | not so hay yourself |
| 04:26.43 | Fisker | what should i do with my free lil' xt? |
| 04:29.00 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcLNteez3c4 |
| 04:29.46 | Fisker | old |
| 04:31.39 | kd3 | 109:41:28 Aldrin: Okay. Now I want to back up and partially close the hatch. (Long Pause) Making sure not to lock it on my way out. |
| 04:31.49 | kd3 | ...now there's a scary thought. getting locked out on the moon |
| 04:31.59 | Cairenn | urk |
| 04:32.01 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 04:32.08 | bluspacecow | put a key under the mat |
| 04:32.20 | Adys | kd3: there were some comments about the door possibly opening inwards? |
| 04:32.28 | kd3 | http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.step.html#1094128 |
| 04:34.17 | Adys | The NVIDIA Linux (and Solaris and BSD) 304.xx series is the last that will support the GeForce 6 and GeForce 7 series. Following the end of the 304 series, NVIDIA will maintain that as a new legacy driver branch. |
| 04:35.59 | pompy1 | bluspacecow: the amount of dislikes on tthat new song kinda sucks! |
| 04:36.27 | bluspacecow | well at least it's not a transexual in briefs |
| 04:36.34 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 04:38.14 | pompy1 | haha nah |
| 04:38.50 | arton | fury warrior has both SMF and TG talents |
| 04:49.48 | mckenziemc | is he wearing both a 1h and 2h? |
| 04:49.58 | mckenziemc | (which wouldn't justify it ofc) |
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| 04:53.02 | Fisker | bluspacecow |
| 04:53.15 | Krapsy | 8 hour maintenance |
| 04:53.22 | bluspacecow | *turns to Fisker insterested* |
| 04:53.23 | mckenziemc | Stop Fisker, in the name of the law |
| 04:53.28 | mckenziemc | (which is George, btw) |
| 04:53.31 | Fisker | nope |
| 04:53.43 | mckenziemc | it isn't George? |
| 04:58.14 | bluspacecow | http://www.thedailyblink.com/2012/08/encounter-journals-by-ikea/ |
| 05:01.10 | bluspacecow | "Why didn't Blizzard ever make an Official addon database" oh boy can of worms. can of worms. |
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| 05:01.44 | mckenziemc | gives bluspacecow tapeworms. |
| 05:01.46 | Fisker | umad bluspacecow ? |
| 05:01.54 | bluspacecow | no fisker |
| 05:01.55 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 05:02.25 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 05:02.28 | mckenziemc | u sadspacecow? |
| 05:03.04 | bluspacecow | i a little cold |
| 05:03.07 | bluspacecow | coldspacecow |
| 05:03.14 | bluspacecow | if i was mad i would be warm |
| 05:03.16 | Semlar | well it's cold in space |
| 05:03.34 | Semlar | you have to dress in layers |
| 05:03.56 | bluspacecow | i think im on mars |
| 05:03.58 | bluspacecow | "Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids |
| 05:03.58 | bluspacecow | In fact it's cold as hell" |
| 05:04.11 | Semlar | well hell isn't that cold |
| 05:04.12 | mckenziemc | hell is cold? |
| 05:04.15 | mckenziemc | >.> |
| 05:04.42 | Esamynn | what, you thought hell was hot? :P |
| 05:04.56 | Semlar | never been |
| 05:06.34 | mckenziemc | just ask Fisk er |
| 05:09.04 | Cairenn | Given how badly I hate the cold, I'd agree that hell is probably cold |
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| 05:23.31 | Zorben | Hi, Ive started getting the message "DKOne has been blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI. You can disable this addon and reload the UI." when I try to change talents while my addon is running (This is on Beta.) This appears to be an old and common problem related to taint of drop down menus maybe? I added a bunch for my latest revision in the configuration menu. Is there... |
| 05:23.32 | Zorben | ...a work around or fix? |
| 05:25.00 | End_ | you could try disabling the code you suspect is causing the taint |
| 05:26.29 | End_ | make sure the problem is where you think it is |
| 05:26.57 | End_ | I'm not knowledgeable about that (potential) particular issues though |
| 05:28.33 | Zorben | yea, I could double check, might be a pop up window too, seems to have started recently like in the last few days on the beta, not sure if its something blizzard did or I did. |
| 05:28.43 | Torhal | http://imgur.com/a/QnhkE |
| 05:29.32 | bluspacecow | old torhal |
| 05:29.34 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 05:29.41 | Torhal | bluspacecow: No shit. 2001 |
| 05:29.43 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:30.27 | bluspacecow | @zorben taintlog 1 IMHO |
| 05:30.34 | bluspacecow | not taintlog 2 |
| 05:30.51 | bluspacecow | then look up the time and date it happens |
| 05:38.41 | Semlar | anatomy of an interface |
| 05:39.49 | nevcairiel | the good old beta interface |
| 05:39.51 | Trela | Damn it, I went into the WoW paladin thinking I would get useful information there. I ended up just becoming emotional and wanted to scream. XD |
| 05:39.52 | nevcairiel | man thats old :p |
| 05:40.09 | Trela | *WoW paladin forum |
| 05:40.21 | nevcairiel | you really should've known better |
| 05:40.28 | Semlar | it has the word forum right in the name |
| 05:40.37 | Trela | It has been a long time since I clicked. |
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| 05:47.27 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/sCjhR.jpg greeeeeeeen |
| 05:47.58 | nevcairiel | zooming out too much will do that for you |
| 05:48.36 | bluspacecow | oooooo wot dat semlar |
| 05:48.40 | bluspacecow | it looks purdy |
| 05:48.59 | bluspacecow | and a worth addidtion to my short list of addons i have enabled all the time |
| 05:49.04 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/OSyZ9.jpg |
| 05:49.10 | bluspacecow | vs the ones i only load in when needed (LoadIt/ACP ftw) |
| 05:49.23 | Semlar | it's not anything yet |
| 05:49.33 | bluspacecow | wot da numbers mean |
| 05:49.56 | Semlar | the map is made up of a lot of tiny squares so each number represents a texture in the grid |
| 05:50.05 | Zorben | Meh, apparently its from the StaticPopupDialogs, I have it set to preferredIndex = 3, its not a critical part, its just an option to goto the configuration screen for new users. I'll probably just take it out if there isnt an easy fix, at least until I get around to just making my dialog box. |
| 05:50.14 | Semlar | i had to make sure everything lined up properly |
| 05:51.27 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/2KyCX.jpg here's one with the minimap just stuck right on top of it |
| 05:52.01 | Semlar | i think i'm going to just replace the minimap with it |
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| 06:19.07 | bluspacecow | Hey everyone.Windows users please advise what the file sizes are for your TempMig files |
| 06:20.23 | AcidWeb | bluspacecow: http://aw.cap.im/2012-08-28_0820.png |
| 06:20.46 | bluspacecow | thank you acidweb |
| 06:21.51 | AcidWeb | Heh free Lil’ XT for everybody who subscribed WoW remote. |
| 06:22.33 | ccox | Can't believe I paid 200,000g for herbs to mill. |
| 06:22.43 | ccox | Further can't believe I have 4 million gold to spend... |
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| 06:32.35 | Jammer | ccox: 4 mil and you're milling herbs... what's wrong with you :P |
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| 06:32.54 | Shirik|Ghost | that was strange |
| 06:33.04 | Shirik|Ghost | anyway, (23:31:47) (@Shirik) AcidWeb: That email got flagged as suspicious |
| 06:33.27 | ccox | Jammer - how else do I get data for milling yields |
| 06:33.46 | ccox | Jammer - besides, I'll make the money back selling inscriptions and kites |
| 06:34.58 | Mr_Rabies | gahh |
| 06:35.03 | Mr_Rabies | it's like christmas eve |
| 06:35.15 | Mr_Rabies | i just spontaneously twitched in anticipation |
| 06:35.19 | Shirik|Ghost | no it's not |
| 06:35.22 | Shirik|Ghost | it's August |
| 06:35.42 | Mr_Rabies | you're august, shirik |
| 06:35.45 | Mr_Rabies | you're august |
| 06:35.54 | karl_w_w | Mr_Rabies is santy claus? |
| 06:36.26 | Mr_Rabies | santy claws is right up there with "warsh" and "robutt" when it comes to alternate pronunciations |
| 06:36.58 | karl_w_w | I do not know what those 2 are alternatives to |
| 06:38.34 | ccox | wash, robot |
| 06:38.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 06:38.40 | Mr_Rabies | ya dingus |
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| 06:39.52 | karl_w_w | well robutt == robert |
| 06:41.32 | karl_w_w | why did blu leave i needed him |
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| 06:45.06 | karl_w_w | bluspacecow what is wow-4.3.3.15354-to-4.3.4.15595-patch ? |
| 06:45.26 | bluspacecow | blizzard's silly way of noting the MoP prepatch files |
| 06:45.45 | karl_w_w | i see |
| 06:45.54 | karl_w_w | so if i were to download that manually where would i put it? |
| 06:46.53 | bluspacecow | TempMig |
| 06:47.52 | karl_w_w | but that doesnt seem to be where it's saving to :P |
| 06:47.58 | karl_w_w | and my dns is fucked again brb |
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| 06:50.40 | karl_w_w | using your mobile phone as a modem is always a joy |
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| 06:51.17 | arton | phones smarter than I. :/ |
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| 06:52.50 | arton | This beta installer still shows 20gb left. It's downloaded 2gb since it started. |
| 06:53.29 | karl_w_w | sounds about right |
| 06:53.46 | karl_w_w | assuming it's a new install |
| 06:53.51 | arton | it is |
| 06:54.12 | arton | The progress bar isn't moving. I guess it'll eventually do something. |
| 06:54.41 | Torhal | s/do something/murder me while I sleep/ |
| 06:54.51 | Torhal | shakes his fist at Agent. |
| 06:54.52 | karl_w_w | woo i just peaked above 200 kbps |
| 06:55.08 | arton | heh |
| 06:55.26 | kagaro | Torhal |
| 06:55.39 | arton | I'm still not finished downloading all of live. The downloader crashes after about an hour. |
| 06:55.40 | Torhal | kagaro: Packager is having a conniption. |
| 06:55.57 | kagaro | ya I know thats not what i wanted to ask you about |
| 06:56.08 | karl_w_w | can I be a Torhal groupie? |
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| 06:56.21 | Torhal | kagaro: Oh, shoot. |
| 06:56.22 | kagaro | curse client .. mac |
| 06:56.24 | Torhal | karl_w_w: lol |
| 06:56.28 | Torhal | kagaro: Urk :/ |
| 06:56.31 | kagaro | that and wowdb api :P |
| 06:57.12 | Torhal | The OSX client is…in limbo since the new dev is no longer with the company and the only other person that knows Objective-C is our IT manager. |
| 06:57.24 | karl_w_w | blizz really need to make wow more manual-patch-friendly |
| 06:57.29 | Torhal | And no clue on the WoWDB API - I'll poke someone tomorrow. |
| 06:58.27 | Mr_Rabies | happy expansion prepatch tuesday everyone |
| 06:58.34 | Mr_Rabies | let us celebrate in the usual manner: http://i.imgur.com/jT41t.png |
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| 06:58.56 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Bugsack, you madman! |
| 06:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | not my picture, but yeah :p |
| 06:59.18 | kagaro | Torhal get me some git love to the curse client on the mac ill be happy to put some time on it |
| 06:59.37 | Torhal | I'll see what I can do. |
| 06:59.48 | Torhal | I reaaaaallly want an update. |
| 06:59.54 | kagaro | i used to have access to it back when it was first coming out |
| 07:00.42 | kagaro | man i zoo don't feel like working today |
| 07:00.49 | kagaro | s/zoo/so/ |
| 07:01.30 | kagaro | <-- less than 1km from the beach |
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| 07:14.57 | bluspacecow | @Mr_Rabie let me paint you the song of my people |
| 07:15.14 | bluspacecow | fail meme repurposing is fail. |
| 07:15.43 | arton | finger paints bluspacecow pink. |
| 07:15.53 | bluspacecow | "Torhal: The OSX client is…in limbo " …that's okay I hate you too dear |
| 07:15.54 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 07:16.07 | bluspacecow | nah j/k i don't use an addon client! what am I saying ! |
| 07:16.25 | bluspacecow | I hunger, |
| 07:16.26 | arton | does the client work under Wine? |
| 07:16.53 | bluspacecow | maybe if you install cheese 2,0 |
| 07:17.05 | arton | hurts. |
| 07:17.08 | Torhal | arton: Considering Mono doesn't support WPF... |
| 07:17.13 | arton | Ah |
| 07:17.19 | bluspacecow | http://barzurk.co.nz/menus/menu.pdf |
| 07:17.24 | bluspacecow | dinner tiems bai! |
| 07:17.25 | Torhal | Well, Wine doesn't fully support .NET 4.0 either. |
| 07:17.33 | Torhal | So, no. It dies horribly on install. |
| 07:17.39 | arton | nods. |
| 07:17.40 | arton | k |
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| 08:25.33 | Sintacks | zomg. gotta try to cap VP again to make moar gold |
| 08:25.44 | Sintacks | fucking missed 25 minutes worth |
| 08:26.01 | Maldivia | wouldn't it be faster to grind the gold, than the VP? |
| 08:26.38 | nevcairiel | i was wondering if its worth maxing vp qnywa |
| 08:26.42 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 08:26.51 | mitch0 | nice typo ;) |
| 08:27.07 | nevcairiel | phone keyboard sucks |
| 08:27.22 | Sintacks | Maldivia, idk |
| 08:27.26 | Sintacks | if fail at farming gold |
| 08:27.30 | Sintacks | so this way is worth it to me |
| 08:27.44 | Sintacks | it's anotehr 430g just from the VP |
| 08:27.56 | Sintacks | and that doesn't inclde gold doing dungeons and healer call to arms bags |
| 08:28.39 | Maldivia | still, getting cappd at VP takes a lot of runs |
| 08:29.16 | Sintacks | true ish |
| 08:29.32 | Maldivia | in the time of around 2 dungeons, you could easily clear a daily quest hub |
| 08:29.38 | Sintacks | i'm only recapping VP on my druid cuz i can get healer queues |
| 08:29.46 | nevcairiel | dont you stop getting vp after the patch anyway |
| 08:29.51 | Sintacks | fuck dailies |
| 08:30.09 | Sintacks | nev, that's the point of re-capping VP after weekly reset, before servers go down |
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| 08:34.26 | mitch0 | any masque users around? |
| 08:34.30 | Sintacks | yes |
| 08:34.34 | mitch0 | how does it work? :) |
| 08:34.39 | Sintacks | eh? |
| 08:34.48 | mitch0 | should addons include the skin selection, or does masque have a global config for that? |
| 08:35.16 | mitch0 | got a request to add masque support for one of my addons, trying to get a grip about it... |
| 08:35.33 | Sintacks | i have no idea how it works |
| 08:35.35 | Sintacks | i just use it |
| 08:35.36 | Sintacks | >.> |
| 08:35.43 | Caleb| | there is a global config mitch0 |
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| 08:35.55 | mitch0 | Caleb|: ok, thanks ;) |
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| 08:41.07 | Sintacks | Maldivia / nevcairiel, without a guild group, i'm not even going to get VP capped before servers go down :( |
| 08:46.16 | Maldivia | :( |
| 08:46.21 | arton | I'm not having much luck. Where's a list of the original WoW servers from beta? I know Kilrogg-US was one. What others? |
| 08:47.03 | arton | I found a timeline, but they don't specify beta realms. |
| 08:50.43 | Sintacks | ur mom's a beta realm |
| 08:51.21 | Semlar | you need some ice for that burn? |
| 08:51.43 | zenzio | ... |
| 08:51.49 | Sintacks | i want some ice for my coke |
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| 09:24.42 | Vladinator | any tips to how I can iterate a table AND remove entries without iteration crash? :3 |
| 09:25.40 | Vladinator | !lua local t={1,2,3}for k,v in ipairs(t)do print(k,v)t[k]=nil end |
| 09:25.40 | batbot | Vladinator: 1 1 2 2 3 3 |
| 09:25.47 | nevcairiel | very carefully? |
| 09:26.08 | Vladinator | :P |
| 09:26.09 | Vladinator | !lua local t={1,2,3}for k,v in ipairs(t)do print(v)t[k]=nil end print"check:" for k,v in ipairs(t)do print(v)end |
| 09:26.10 | batbot | Vladinator: 1 2 3 check: |
| 09:26.15 | Vladinator | ok, seems to work with ipairs |
| 09:26.22 | Vladinator | but pairs wouldn't like this I seem to recall ^^ |
| 09:28.02 | Vladinator | !lua local t={1,2,3}for k,v in pairs(t)do print(v)t[k]=nil end print"check:" for k,v in pairs(t)do print(v)end |
| 09:28.02 | batbot | Vladinator: 1 2 3 check: |
| 09:28.09 | Vladinator | weird :/ |
| 09:32.06 | Semlar | wipe(t) |
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| 09:36.17 | arton | !lua ({})[nil] |
| 09:36.18 | batbot | arton: > nil |
| 09:36.22 | arton | grins. |
| 09:38.32 | Semlar | you could iterate over it backwards |
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| 09:45.10 | Semlar | not that it appears to matter |
| 09:45.33 | bluspacecow | titititititititititititititititi |
| 09:46.17 | bluspacecow | reitrate |
| 09:46.18 | arton | bluspacecow: got milk? |
| 09:46.19 | bluspacecow | ------------------------------------------ |
| 09:46.21 | bluspacecow | it |
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| 09:46.24 | bluspacecow | get it ? |
| 09:46.43 | Semlar | no |
| 09:46.55 | bluspacecow | "you could iterate over it backwards" |
| 09:47.00 | bluspacecow | reiterate |
| 09:47.02 | bluspacecow | ---------------------------- |
| 09:47.06 | bluspacecow | ti |
| 09:47.25 | Semlar | it is like 5 in the morning |
| 09:48.01 | Semlar | how DARE you expect me to think |
| 09:48.18 | bluspacecow | i demand you have full control of your facilities at all times |
| 09:48.47 | Semlar | i operate at fifty, sixty percent at BEST |
| 09:48.59 | bluspacecow | except at Blizzcon when drinking Torhal under the table while arm wrestling Ackis |
| 09:49.06 | bluspacecow | 'cause your that awesomme drunk |
| 09:49.57 | Semlar | i need what few brain cells i have |
| 09:50.37 | bluspacecow | sleep would be good right now. gotta be well rested for patch day :D |
| 09:51.03 | Semlar | well sleep is for people who aren't insomniacs |
| 09:51.21 | bluspacecow | touche |
| 09:52.26 | Semlar | in the meantime i may as well do something productive |
| 09:53.39 | kagaro | I'm trying to be as unproductive as i can |
| 09:54.40 | Semlar | REVERSE PRODUCTION |
| 09:55.52 | mitch0 | NOITCUDORP |
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| 09:56.29 | Semlar | NO IT CUDORP |
| 09:58.36 | Sintacks | I must be one of hte last people to ever use mass summon woo |
| 10:00.08 | Sintacks | woo |
| 10:00.15 | Sintacks | got it off 2 seconds before server went off |
| 10:00.22 | Sintacks | now i got nothing to do |
| 10:00.26 | bluspacecow | "You are trying to access a path that is unavailable. Please return the home page" |
| 10:00.35 | bluspacecow | @Torhal y u steal their home page :P |
| 10:01.05 | Sintacks | lolz |
| 10:07.29 | Ackis | bluspacecow: why can't I log in to WoW? |
| 10:07.31 | bluspacecow | *palys gangam style to pass the time* |
| 10:07.34 | Ackis | bluspacecow: why are my addons broken? |
| 10:08.10 | bluspacecow | the answer you seek |
| 10:08.11 | bluspacecow | is in |
| 10:08.11 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcLNteez3c4 |
| 10:08.41 | Ackis | no that's a keylogger |
| 10:09.05 | bluspacecow | within knowledge comes truth |
| 10:09.08 | bluspacecow | and fruity glasses |
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| 10:11.05 | Sintacks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 |
| 10:11.09 | Sintacks | fucking related video to fucking everything |
| 10:13.21 | zenzio | ..? |
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| 10:14.35 | zenzio | I'm not sure what you're looking to do |
| 10:15.10 | bluspacecow | um technically yes |
| 10:15.20 | bluspacecow | but it's probably a silly way of doing what your wanting to do |
| 10:15.36 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.00 | bluspacecow | the game will look for a toc file in that folder and if it doesn't see one will not load anything inside |
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| 10:16.07 | bluspacecow | try us |
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| 10:16.14 | bluspacecow | we've seen everything lol :P |
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| 10:16.39 | bluspacecow | continue |
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| 10:16.54 | bluspacecow | you could always get either LoadIt or ACP |
| 10:17.02 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.04 | bluspacecow | these make it possible to have "sets" of addons you load in and out |
| 10:17.17 | Semlar | why don't you just rename one of the addons |
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| 10:17.54 | bluspacecow | mv addon addon.new_name |
| 10:17.59 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.02 | bluspacecow | oh wait this isn't bash :P |
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| 10:18.13 | Semlar | well you just rename the folder then rename the toc file |
| 10:18.14 | bluspacecow | rename it addonname.disabled |
| 10:18.27 | bluspacecow | or Addon Control Panel has sets of addons you can make |
| 10:18.34 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.36 | bluspacecow | set 1 addon 1 loaded set 2 addon 2 loaded |
| 10:18.48 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.52 | bluspacecow | can swtich between with a pop up menu. LoadIt does it with a macro |
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| 10:20.12 | Semlar | well, there's an addon menu when you log in so if you have it as two separate addons you won't have to keep renaming folders every time you want to load one |
| 10:20.39 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.42 | Semlar | why not |
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| 10:20.59 | Semlar | right you have to rename the toc file |
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| 10:21.50 | Semlar | i'm more interested in why you have two addons witht he same name |
| 10:22.09 | mitch0 | GearScore, GearScore-MakeMeLookUber |
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| 10:22.41 | bluspacecow | LoadIt has a macro command. /mods loadprofile profile_name |
| 10:22.41 | Semlar | okay |
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| 10:22.49 | bluspacecow | if anything you can just look at the code it uses |
| 10:23.14 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.19 | Guest98545 | tried to learn lua and such |
| 10:23.20 | Semlar | what's the addon |
| 10:23.24 | Guest98545 | f2paddon |
| 10:23.42 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.58 | bluspacecow | bypassing trial restrictions |
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| 10:24.17 | Semlar | meh, it's not like he's trying to advertise gold spam |
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| 10:24.31 | Semlar | that's the main reason the chat's restricted |
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| 10:25.41 | mitch0 | fix the addon to make the channel selectable from a dropdown list or somesuch |
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| 10:26.21 | bluspacecow | ok |
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| 10:26.32 | bluspacecow | i have a tutorial on how to use those addon loader addons |
| 10:26.39 | bluspacecow | but its on the wow forums which are down atm. |
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| 10:26.49 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6369327750 |
| 10:26.49 | Fisker | i'm the last guy at work bluspacecow |
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| 10:26.54 | Fisker | i'm so ronery :'( |
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| 10:28.00 | bluspacecow | my concern is if your attempting to rename addons in game it won't work - game needs to be fully reloaded for name changes afaik |
| 10:28.07 | Fisker | not since i'm doing phone support nope :( |
| 10:28.20 | bluspacecow | using sets is better as then you can load in the new set and reload the UI _without_ having to exit game. |
| 10:29.09 | nevcairiel | fisker when will we get a new nexus phone |
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| 10:29.20 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 10:29.29 | bluspacecow | LoadIT is an addon you need to download |
| 10:29.33 | bluspacecow | they're both addons |
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| 10:30.01 | Fisker | few months nevcairiel ! |
| 10:30.07 | Fisker | (idk though) |
| 10:30.20 | Fisker | there's rumors of a Galaxy Nexus refresh |
| 10:30.23 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.26 | Fisker | but that seems kinda weird |
| 10:30.31 | bluspacecow | http://worldofwarcraft.livejournal.com/8666033.html?thread=154083761#t154083761 |
| 10:30.56 | Fisker | pls bluspacecow |
| 10:31.00 | Fisker | livejournal? |
| 10:31.04 | bluspacecow | hmmmmm |
| 10:31.06 | bluspacecow | u sound mad |
| 10:31.08 | Fisker | that's like myspace but for blogs |
| 10:31.09 | Fisker | you dumb fuck |
| 10:31.10 | bluspacecow | r mad ? |
| 10:31.12 | Fisker | i mean hello bluspacecow |
| 10:31.50 | nevcairiel | maybe they use motorolla for a new phone |
| 10:32.01 | Semlar | i'm wondering why whoever made this addon didn't just hook the chat tab for the name |
| 10:32.04 | nevcairiel | now that they own it and everything |
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| 10:34.07 | bluspacecow | why do they need to be both of the same name ? |
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| 10:34.48 | bluspacecow | Use different names and dynamically load in Addon A or Addon B as needed |
| 10:35.24 | bluspacecow | IIRC the game only loads in the .toc files for each reloadUI. IMHO your just making things more complicated then they need to be. |
| 10:35.40 | Semlar | this is the most ridiculous implementation for switching chat channels |
| 10:35.52 | bluspacecow | almost rube goldberg. |
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| 10:37.02 | Semlar | just so i understand, he's just trying to change which chat channel it's joining? |
| 10:37.04 | bluspacecow | sounds like they type of person to insert a 5 1/4 disc into a typewriter to bang a label on it to me >_> |
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| 10:37.25 | Semlar | so why doesn't he just open the constants file and change the value |
| 10:37.35 | Semlar | and type /reload in game |
| 10:37.51 | Semlar | F2PAddonGlobalVars.f2paChannelName = "f2ptwink" --The in game chat channel. |
| 10:38.00 | Semlar | that's all you have to change |
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| 10:39.38 | Semlar | i have no idea how this addon works but it would literally take like one line of code to pull the name of a chat tab out and use that for the chat it's simulating |
| 10:39.59 | Semlar | so all they would have to do is create a chat tab with whatever name they want to join |
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| 10:40.41 | Semlar | i could write it but i would have no way to test it with the addon |
| 10:40.50 | Semlar | i think the servers are down |
| 10:40.57 | bluspacecow | later on ? |
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| 10:41.23 | bluspacecow | @fisker Last guy ? How about last girl ? Any girls left at work ? |
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| 10:43.14 | Semlar | alright well hang on i want to at least look at how the addon handles sending chat messages |
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| 10:44.44 | Semlar | what does the user do when he wants to send a message to everybody |
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| 10:45.33 | durcyn | that sounds incredibly convoluted |
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| 10:45.58 | Semlar | so you just type into the chat like you were trying to send a message to general |
| 10:46.06 | Semlar | or local chat |
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| 10:46.19 | Semlar | and the addon handles the rest |
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| 10:46.37 | Semlar | all i want is what the actual user has to do to send a message |
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| 10:47.00 | Semlar | so you have to use a slash command |
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| 10:47.05 | Semlar | it doesn't just intercept your message |
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| 10:47.46 | Guest98545 | in order to change where your chat is going, to what channel, you just precede your message with /channelname message |
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| 10:48.17 | Semlar | well yeah but you can make a tab and just set it to that channel |
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| 10:48.30 | Semlar | if that's the only channel you can talk in i imagine you'd do that |
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| 10:49.16 | Semlar | i understand |
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| 10:49.57 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 10:50.14 | Semlar | i mean it's probably not actually using whispers, it's probably using the addon message protocol |
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| 10:50.20 | bluspacecow | looks like the patch is coming soon. I'm seeing updated tools on my launcher now |
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| 10:50.42 | Semlar | the patch is coming now |
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| 10:51.09 | durcyn | bluspacecow: first step is moving the tempmig mpqs in, which seems to take some time |
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| 10:51.33 | Semlar | this addon is way too big for what it does by the way |
| 10:51.33 | bluspacecow | yeah i'm watching it now |
| 10:51.48 | bluspacecow | bloated ? |
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| 10:52.10 | Semlar | if all this does is act like a chat room for trial accounts it could literally be done in under 20 lines |
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| 10:52.38 | Fisker | girls bluspacecow ? |
| 10:52.41 | Fisker | working with IT? |
| 10:52.43 | bluspacecow | we're good coders here. |
| 10:52.43 | Semlar | it appears to do a bunch of other stuff though |
| 10:52.46 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 10:52.58 | Semlar | like group queueing for battlegrounds |
| 10:53.03 | bluspacecow | unnecessary stuff or suspect stuff |
| 10:53.03 | Sintacks | has blizzard released offical patch notes yet |
| 10:53.16 | bluspacecow | site down |
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| 10:53.56 | Semlar | i don't even really see how reliable that could be |
| 10:54.15 | Semlar | oh god flashback to preform av enabler |
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| 10:54.38 | Semlar | the synchronized queing |
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| 10:54.52 | bluspacecow | wow. Temp folder . 5.0 migration another 220 MB on top of the 330 MB for 5.0.4 and the 6 GB for the prepatch. |
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| 10:55.30 | Semlar | there used to be an addon that let raids queue together for alterac valley since you couldn't actually queue as a raid |
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| 10:55.53 | Semlar | and what you would do is have everyone run the addon and then queue repeatedly until most of the people's queues popped at around the same time |
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| 10:56.32 | durcyn | background downloader has it as 1.04GiB for 15890-16016, bluspacecow |
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| 10:56.35 | Semlar | it actually worked surprisingly well |
| 10:56.40 | Semlar | for what it was doing |
| 10:57.07 | bluspacecow | @durcyn haven't got that far yet. still backing up my wow folder in case this data optimization thing screws something up. |
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| 10:57.44 | durcyn | alos has it as unauthorized, silly customized bittorrents |
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| 10:58.27 | bluspacecow | alos ? what dat ? is it : http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll210/Ayshela/testingthebed.gif |
| 10:58.59 | Semlar | i think the reason it worked was when you had 40 people que up all at once sometimes it would force the system to create a new instance of the battleground |
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| 10:59.29 | Semlar | that's a goat |
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| 10:59.39 | Guest98545 | *interesting |
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| 11:00.06 | Semlar | i've seen cows, they just stand there |
| 11:00.14 | Semlar | they do NOTHING |
| 11:00.22 | Semlar | YOU HEAR ME SPACECOW? |
| 11:00.25 | Semlar | NOTHING! |
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| 11:00.32 | bluspacecow | ... |
| 11:00.35 | arton | cows are made for tippin' |
| 11:00.39 | bluspacecow | *stares at Semlar* |
| 11:00.40 | Semlar | EATING |
| 11:00.41 | Guest98545 | *rodeo, as in strap something to it's you know what |
| 11:00.43 | bluspacecow | MOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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| 11:00.50 | arton | tips bluspacecow. |
| 11:01.01 | bluspacecow | O_O ………. |
| 11:01.03 | bluspacecow | THUNK! |
| 11:01.04 | Semlar | they chew up some grass, swallow it, IT COMES BACK UP AND THEY EAT IT AGAIN |
| 11:01.20 | Semlar | that's their digestion process |
| 11:01.27 | Semlar | they chew it to death |
| 11:01.32 | zenzio | "I remember this dog Waldo that I had when I was a kid. He had been old and quite ill for a while, and one day my parents told me he was sent to join an open-source community project outside town. I am sure he is still there, writes GNU Hurd device drivers all day and waits for the time when he'll come back to me on his flying car." |
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| 11:01.47 | Semlar | flies dissolve their food like awesome acid-spitting monsters |
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| 11:02.14 | Semlar | yeah but spit on it with acid |
| 11:02.29 | Semlar | how great would that be |
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| 11:05.10 | Semlar | i'm trying to think of one that throws up on villains but i'm drawing a blank |
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| 11:06.36 | bluspacecow | @semlar http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/icwhutudidtherep1.gif |
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| 11:07.05 | Semlar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIABbbPwxtU |
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| 11:08.18 | Zorben | Is the curse server just overloaded? My commits just keep failing or timing out or something, not sure if its on my end or theirs. |
| 11:08.40 | Semlar | maybe it can't handle commitment |
| 11:08.42 | arton | Torhal mentioned earlier that the packager's not acting nice. |
| 11:09.00 | bluspacecow | packager may be down |
| 11:09.18 | durcyn | one of their amazing scripts ran the SCM server out of memory, if these log messages are to be believed |
| 11:09.24 | Semlar | i got some bad news for you, this addon ain't gonna work when the servers come up |
| 11:09.42 | bluspacecow | "amazing" as in mr magoo |
| 11:09.53 | Semlar | unless they updated it for mop, this thing doesn't work on the beta |
| 11:10.06 | durcyn | mr magoo as in ckk |
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| 11:10.20 | Semlar | it's trying to use a bunch of functions that don't exist any more |
| 11:10.21 | Semlar | yeah |
| 11:10.39 | Semlar | the patch that's coming out today is what's on the beta right now |
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| 11:10.49 | Semlar | yep |
| 11:10.57 | arton | panic! |
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| 11:11.04 | durcyn | it's not that bad, you have until tomorrow if you're in europe |
| 11:11.04 | Semlar | well you won't be using it any more |
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| 11:11.41 | Guest98545 | there are so many peopel in our 'guild' that are goonna be dissapointed |
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| 11:12.03 | durcyn | here's a thought, you could pay for things |
| 11:12.16 | Semlar | it might partially work, i can't tell because it's throwing an error every frame trying to call GetTalentTabInfo |
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| 11:12.23 | durcyn | i'm told canadian currency fares well on the international exchanges these days |
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| 11:14.56 | Semlar | it appears to be trying to get my character's talents, probably trying to share my spec but it's calling GetTalentTabInfo which doesn't exist any more |
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| 11:15.26 | Semlar | that's not the only error |
| 11:15.42 | Semlar | it's causing a stack overflow and i'm not sure what it's doing |
| 11:15.59 | zenzio | sounds like a runaway looop |
| 11:16.01 | zenzio | -o |
| 11:16.13 | Semlar | if you ask me, it's not going to work at all |
| 11:16.20 | Zorben | yea, its GetTalentInfo(1-18) if you want to much around with it yourself |
| 11:16.21 | Semlar | but there's a slim chance it might retain some functionality |
| 11:16.43 | Semlar | i really have no way of knowing on the beta server |
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| 11:17.10 | zenzio | SOL? |
| 11:17.13 | Semlar | shit |
| 11:17.15 | Semlar | outta |
| 11:17.16 | Semlar | luck |
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| 11:17.57 | Semlar | i should look into how to handle addon messages, i've never had to do it before |
| 11:17.59 | bluspacecow | oh |
| 11:18.07 | bluspacecow | i thought it was standard operating lemmar |
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| 11:18.43 | Semlar | could be, my vernacular isn't quite that highbrow |
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| 11:19.01 | zenzio | <Guest98545> this addon is a huge part of a lot of peoples lives <-- I'm not arguing that people use it, but that sounds a bit exaggerrated |
| 11:19.10 | zenzio | exaggerated(sp?) |
| 11:19.10 | batbot | zenzio, exaggerated is correct. |
| 11:19.16 | zenzio | I can never remember that word |
| 11:19.25 | Semlar | hey man, this addon could be the only thing keeping these people going |
| 11:19.34 | Kalrth | now you're just exaggerating, zenzio |
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| 11:19.43 | zenzio | Kalrth: busted :( |
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| 11:20.36 | durcyn | the talent functions are easily enough removed or updated, though, the API just changed |
| 11:20.38 | Semlar | does somebody in the guild actually output what's being said by trial accounts |
| 11:20.45 | zenzio | I may have missed out on what this is about... is this freebie players? |
| 11:21.03 | Semlar | yeah |
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| 11:21.31 | zenzio | if they are playing >9 hours a day, how can they not find the money to get a proper account? |
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| 11:22.15 | Semlar | well, does somebody that's in the guild with a real account repeat messages that are being sent by the trial users |
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| 11:22.37 | Semlar | or does everyone who wants to see the messages have to be running the addon |
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| 11:22.59 | Semlar | is this like a psuedo guild of trial accounts? |
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| 11:23.09 | Semlar | okay |
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| 11:23.23 | Semlar | i thought maybe someone was relaying messages to a real guild |
| 11:23.30 | Semlar | which i've seen addons do |
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| 11:24.57 | Semlar | i could probably write a replacement but i haven't ever done anything like this and couldn't really test it until the servers came back up |
| 11:25.00 | Zorben | Was there an eta on getting this packager issue fixed? Or did Torval or whoever is working on it say anything else? I could always just zip it up and upload it that way I suppose. |
| 11:25.28 | bluspacecow | ~seen Adirelle |
| 11:25.31 | purl | adirelle <~Adirelle@tok69-5-82-235-150-60.fbx.proxad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 263d 14h 38m 55s ago, saying: 'nevcairiel, LibBabble-Inventory-3.0 needs to be updated : ptBR strings have been added into the localization system since r141.'. |
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| 11:25.53 | durcyn | it's the middle of the damn night, Zorben, someone will fix it once they're conscious again |
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| 11:26.06 | durcyn | and i'd bet you any amount of money that happens before servers come back up |
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| 11:26.33 | Zorben | but i wanted to go to bed. :P |
| 11:26.47 | durcyn | so go...? |
| 11:26.50 | Semlar | actually come to think of it.. prepatch day.. the server's are probably not going to be playable for a while |
| 11:28.29 | bluspacecow | *nod* |
| 11:29.03 | Semlar | i'd estimate like.. possibly tonight |
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| 11:29.51 | Semlar | not exactly |
| 11:29.55 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.07 | Semlar | it's patch 5.0 |
| 11:30.08 | bluspacecow | sept 25 mop |
| 11:30.14 | bluspacecow | patch 5.0.4 oh about now. |
| 11:30.16 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 11:30.21 | durcyn | systems patches get pushed a bit before the content, Guest98545 |
| 11:30.23 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.27 | durcyn | thus has it always been |
| 11:30.43 | Semlar | so all the MoP talents and abilities and the new pet battle system and all that jazz |
| 11:30.48 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.49 | Semlar | but not pandaria |
| 11:31.11 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.26 | kagaro | no pet battle either i thought |
| 11:31.35 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.47 | Semlar | if it's the patch from the beta then yeah, pet battles |
| 11:32.04 | kagaro | i thought the pet battles are disabled till mop is released |
| 11:32.09 | bluspacecow | pet battles being activated on sept 25th |
| 11:32.13 | Semlar | i don't know what they've disabled |
| 11:32.20 | bluspacecow | they'll be there just disabled. |
| 11:32.24 | durcyn | no pet battles until next month |
| 11:32.28 | Semlar | alright |
| 11:32.36 | Semlar | no pokemon then |
| 11:32.44 | durcyn | however will we all survive. |
| 11:32.46 | kagaro | wow even mmo-champ is having issues |
| 11:32.49 | Semlar | i can only assume your current non-combat pets will be broken until they activate them |
| 11:33.03 | bluspacecow | http://twitter.com/bluspacecow/status/240411360855461888 |
| 11:33.05 | Semlar | the pet system was so messed up |
| 11:33.05 | durcyn | no, the new UI and account-wide companion pets work fine, battles are just disabled. |
| 11:33.25 | durcyn | what a thing to overdramatize though? |
| 11:33.27 | Semlar | so they have the consolidated pets just not the actual fighting |
| 11:33.48 | Semlar | what about the critters wandering around, can you collect them? |
| 11:34.06 | Semlar | or is the whole battle system offline |
| 11:34.24 | durcyn | that wasn't even implemented on beta until after battles, hard to say |
| 11:34.25 | bluspacecow | probably do what they did on beta |
| 11:34.29 | bluspacecow | tracking still there |
| 11:34.33 | Semlar | you gotta catch 'em all, you know |
| 11:34.34 | bluspacecow | but without the training ? |
| 11:34.42 | bluspacecow | just take the pet battle trainer off the server |
| 11:35.16 | bluspacecow | they made the training 90+ for one build , took the trainer out for another build then finally put him back in on another build |
| 11:35.38 | bluspacecow | there's a variety of ways they can restrict it *a wild shadowed appears* |
| 11:36.56 | Semlar | all i know is that thing they did with the pet window where it put little info buttons over all the frames is going to confuse the hell out of people |
| 11:37.45 | Semlar | and every 3 seconds someone is going to ask in general how to get to pandaria |
| 11:38.22 | bluspacecow | pffft |
| 11:38.25 | bluspacecow | they do that anyway |
| 11:38.37 | bluspacecow | beta had a panda in front of the s/w AH |
| 11:38.44 | bluspacecow | the most OBVIOUS place for people to look |
| 11:38.53 | bluspacecow | what did we see spammed to trade over and over |
| 11:38.55 | bluspacecow | what you said |
| 11:39.43 | Semlar | guys.. guys.. listen.. how do i get back to pandaria? |
| 11:39.55 | bluspacecow | what race do you play? |
| 11:40.01 | Semlar | HOW DO I GET BACK TO PANDARIA |
| 11:40.09 | bluspacecow | c'mere |
| 11:40.15 | Semlar | I DON'T UNDERSTAND |
| 11:40.18 | bluspacecow | *punts Semalr with his Boot* |
| 11:40.29 | bluspacecow | thar ya go! |
| 11:40.29 | Semlar | I'M AT THE BALLOON |
| 11:40.36 | bluspacecow | set fire to it ! |
| 11:40.45 | Semlar | NOBODY HAS A QUEST FOR ME |
| 11:40.58 | bluspacecow | find my ass |
| 11:41.00 | bluspacecow | thats a quest |
| 11:41.05 | Semlar | impossible! |
| 11:41.16 | bluspacecow | impossignome! |
| 11:45.44 | Semlar | i should probably go ahead and make an in-game configuration for my addon before the server's come back |
| 11:45.53 | Semlar | i said i was going to do it before tuesday |
| 11:46.02 | Semlar | it's like.. tuesday.. |
| 11:46.23 | Semlar | this is why i should never agree to stuff |
| 11:46.26 | bluspacecow | a random restart appears! |
| 11:47.16 | Semlar | i got waaaaay side-tracked making a minimap addon |
| 11:47.33 | Semlar | completely neglected the one people actually use |
| 11:47.53 | zenzio | which one? |
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| 11:53.53 | Semlar | http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/crackcooldown |
| 11:54.04 | Semlar | i was exaggerating, nobody uses it |
| 11:54.10 | mitch0 | ;) |
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| 11:54.27 | Semlar | i should update the description and screenshots |
| 11:54.46 | Semlar | they're like a year old |
| 11:55.19 | Semlar | i mean.. the only reason it's on curse to begin with is because my friend wanted it and was too lazy to install it himself |
| 11:56.07 | Semlar | he made me upload it so he could just use the curse client |
| 11:57.34 | Semlar | i actually haven't had to modify it at all since i made it to keep it functional |
| 11:57.43 | Semlar | it even worked in the beta out of the box |
| 11:58.01 | Semlar | it didn't break until i started adding features.. |
| 11:58.16 | zenzio | that's common |
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| 11:59.47 | Semlar | when i originally wrote it, all it did was calculate the time until i could use an ability that didn't technically have a cooldown, but i had to wait until i got enough energy to use it |
| 12:00.13 | Semlar | so it just figured how long it would take to regenerate that much energy |
| 12:01.02 | Semlar | then i liked the text display so just expanded it to all of my action buttons |
| 12:02.02 | Semlar | then someone wanted it to show cooldowns on items in their bags so i just hooked all the cooldown frames |
| 12:03.30 | Elkano | 1st step into failure: implement features others are looking forward to ;) |
| 12:03.38 | zenzio | hehe |
| 12:03.42 | zenzio | true story |
| 12:04.03 | Semlar | now people want me to let them configure it? what is that about |
| 12:04.12 | Elkano | for every feature you add you'll find one person that doesn't like it and one person calling your addon bloated |
| 12:04.14 | Semlar | why can't they just like what i like |
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| 12:05.46 | Vladinator | damn you blizzard! still no improvement on spell data :( |
| 12:05.49 | Vladinator | for example http://www.wowdb.com/spells/9613-shadow-bolt |
| 12:05.53 | Ackis | Stanzilla: will levitate cost me a feather as of tomorrow? |
| 12:06.00 | Stanzilla | Ackis: naw |
| 12:06.00 | Vladinator | one spell used by many mobs with different damage output :P |
| 12:06.03 | Semlar | it'll cost you a bird |
| 12:06.43 | Ackis | Stanzilla: I just don't see that minor glyph anymore, but shits all sorts of confusing |
| 12:06.44 | Semlar | i actually wrote an addon called bestiary that tracks every spell it sees anything cast |
| 12:07.03 | Stanzilla | Ackis: yeah it's just without cost now |
| 12:07.16 | Semlar | i uploaded it once then someone pointed out there was a similar addon so i just stopped uploading updates |
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| 12:08.03 | Semlar | my addon was way cooler because it made an icon for every type of unit you were in combat with and next to that it put an icon showing whether they cleaved or feared or stunned, stuff like that |
| 12:08.28 | Semlar | of course it did all this by parsing the tooltip so it wasn't exactly accurate but it was pretty helpful |
| 12:10.08 | Semlar | anyway, each mob has its own spellpower so you wouldn't really be able to know how much damage a spell would do without seeing it cast |
| 12:15.27 | Sintacks | i should just go to sleep so i can be up when servers are back up |
| 12:15.34 | Sintacks | they said 10 hours right? |
| 12:15.49 | Semlar | they said 10 hours? that means 20 |
| 12:15.55 | bluspacecow | Yep |
| 12:16.00 | Sintacks | that's what i was going for |
| 12:16.18 | bluspacecow | Sleep now as you maybe staying up really late when they are up |
| 12:16.20 | Semlar | hm, now i'm thinking 20 might be a conservative estimate |
| 12:16.37 | Sintacks | i forgot how loong servers were dwon for 4.x |
| 12:16.38 | Sintacks | heh |
| 12:17.00 | bluspacecow | Agent things coming to live wow |
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| 12:17.15 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 12:17.31 | bluspacecow | I expect server difficilties from implementing from beta to live |
| 12:17.36 | Sintacks | I tried to launch WoW.exe (i never use launcher) and the launcher took over anyway |
| 12:18.07 | bluspacecow | Part of the 5.0 migration thing |
| 12:18.16 | Semlar | the best part is it's going to change your shortcut to the launcher |
| 12:18.42 | Semlar | every time it updates i have to fix the shortcut |
| 12:18.57 | Sintacks | "downloading updated tools" "restart" "downloading updated tools" |
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| 12:19.16 | bluspacecow | See above |
| 12:19.47 | bluspacecow | Migration process appears to do that |
| 12:19.56 | Sintacks | something weird i've seen happen for quite a while is, my wow.exe hasn't been "updated" in 3 patches, since I made it able to use >2GB of ram |
| 12:20.14 | mckenziemc | migrates bluspacecow to antartica |
| 12:20.22 | mckenziemc | antarctica* |
| 12:20.27 | bluspacecow | You made it LAA ? |
| 12:20.29 | Semlar | what's the best method for adding resizable handles to a frame |
| 12:20.43 | Semlar | letting it handle resizing itself appears to be a terrible idea |
| 12:20.44 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/ZCsx |
| 12:20.52 | bluspacecow | That was included in a patch awhile back |
| 12:21.20 | Semlar | i think i'm just going to track the cursor position |
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| 12:22.34 | Semlar | i use the StartSizing method and it doesn't appear to change the frame's actual dimensions, which is something the addon uses |
| 12:22.55 | Semlar | so it still thinks it's one size, when it appears to be another |
| 12:23.21 | bluspacecow | @sintacks can you repeat that last URL of yours. Just changed IRC from the iPod to the computer |
| 12:23.24 | bluspacecow | shutup fisker |
| 12:23.36 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/ZCsx |
| 12:24.03 | Fisker | you can't irc on ipod bluspacecow |
| 12:24.06 | Fisker | stop pretending |
| 12:24.10 | Fisker | Steve Jobs won't allow it |
| 12:24.24 | bluspacecow | ~whaleslap Fisker |
| 12:24.24 | purl | ACTION beats Fisker upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 12:24.41 | bluspacecow | that is an odd one Sintacks |
| 12:25.35 | Sintacks | E:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft\ doesn't even exist, and never has |
| 12:25.48 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 12:25.52 | zenzio | then it's natural it can't be opened! |
| 12:25.56 | bluspacecow | sounds registry related maybe |
| 12:26.10 | bluspacecow | regedit do a search for that path |
| 12:26.22 | bluspacecow | or right click launcher go run as admin maybe |
| 12:26.38 | zenzio | I think it's HKLM/Software/Blizzard Entertainment/World of Warcraft/InstallPath |
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| 12:27.00 | zenzio | possibly under Wow6432Node or whatever it's called if you're on 64-bit Windows |
| 12:27.02 | mitch0 | huh? I thought wow never did muck around in registry |
| 12:27.08 | Semlar | maybe you tried to launch another version of the game |
| 12:27.19 | zenzio | I don't know if it ever uses it mitch0, I just know it's there |
| 12:27.30 | bluspacecow | could also be something in agent.db or the battle.net flder pointing at the wrong place |
| 12:28.08 | Semlar | i have the game installed to two different places and i have to say that's been the source of some confusion |
| 12:29.58 | Semlar | if you were a map addon, what would you do |
| 12:30.14 | Sintacks | ... minecraft was using 50% of processor. agent is using 25%. and my computer is acting like a piece of shit from 10 years ago |
| 12:30.15 | bluspacecow | walk on the ceiling |
| 12:30.51 | Sintacks | HKLM/Software/.../World of Warcraft/ |
| 12:30.52 | Sintacks | http://puu.sh/ZCzi |
| 12:31.06 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 12:31.28 | bluspacecow | patebin of agent.db ? |
| 12:31.29 | Sintacks | also, i've got the same screen you tweeted now, blu |
| 12:32.21 | Sintacks | dafuq is agent.db |
| 12:32.49 | bluspacecow | :| |
| 12:32.57 | Semlar | all i know is when i was on the beta i had like 10 agent.exes running at a time |
| 12:33.07 | bluspacecow | have you head of deleting your battle.net folder ? |
| 12:33.19 | Semlar | no |
| 12:34.12 | Semlar | when i first saw it i was like what the fuck is agent.exe, but it's just the updater |
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| 12:34.51 | Semlar | and i think it was just being left open after i closed the game |
| 12:35.59 | Thunder_Child | http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Theft-Payne-Bundle-Download/dp/B00904XVS0 |
| 12:36.48 | Semlar | i assume there isn't some way to check whether a path to a file exists inside the game |
| 12:37.07 | foxlit | Hm, if I want to show change in a probability distribution over time, I'm pretty much stuck with 3D plots? |
| 12:39.18 | mitch0 | animated 2d plot? |
| 12:39.33 | mitch0 | bit hard to do in a book, but not impossible ;) |
| 12:39.46 | foxlit | "Flip through those 300 pages really fast!" |
| 12:39.47 | Semlar | flip book |
| 12:39.49 | mitch0 | :) |
| 12:40.08 | foxlit | heatmaps, I suppose. |
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| 12:40.37 | foxlit | hm, actually, that's an idea. Contour plots would work. |
| 12:41.42 | Semlar | ah-HA! i may have figured out a super hackish way to detect whether a texture actually exists in-game |
| 12:42.15 | Semlar | if you try to set a texture's size to 0 it appears to just default to the actual texture size |
| 12:42.32 | Semlar | so if it's size isn't zero, it must exist |
| 12:43.49 | Semlar | actually the default texture size appears to be 8x8 |
| 12:44.48 | Semlar | none of the textures i'm checking for are that small so this'll still work |
| 12:45.27 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.36 | bluspacecow | why do people think it's a good idea to turn Lua errors off |
| 12:45.45 | Semlar | i can't let it look like this http://i.imgur.com/sCjhR.jpg i just can't |
| 12:45.45 | End_ | doesn't it default to off? |
| 12:46.10 | Sintacks | omfg. 1%! |
| 12:46.42 | Sintacks | "the entire process will take approximately 15-60 minutes under normal conditions." |
| 12:46.44 | Sintacks | LOLOL |
| 12:46.45 | bluspacecow | O_O 2% |
| 12:46.45 | Semlar | i think it does default to off |
| 12:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | turns off bluspacecow's error display, hilarity ensues. |
| 12:47.00 | Semlar | the patch is 8gb |
| 12:47.13 | Sintacks | it's reconfiguring game files |
| 12:47.17 | Sintacks | not downloading a patch |
| 12:47.23 | bluspacecow | whats to bet it gets to 3% then goes WTFZOMGOVER900SUPERSAIYAN17BILLION fast |
| 12:47.26 | Sintacks | an 8GB download takes me 40 minutes |
| 12:47.46 | Semlar | an 8gb download takes me forever |
| 12:47.50 | Sintacks | lol( |
| 12:47.51 | Sintacks | ;( |
| 12:48.06 | Sintacks | twitters wants to import my contacts from gmails |
| 12:48.07 | Sintacks | lolz |
| 12:48.19 | Semlar | although the game is playable after like 10mb |
| 12:48.30 | Semlar | because it's magic |
| 12:48.41 | Semlar | i use the term playable loosely |
| 12:48.57 | durcyn | 10mb gets you a skybox and something to stand on |
| 12:49.05 | Semlar | it gets you a shadow |
| 12:49.07 | Sintacks | "too many results? narrow it down to a subreddit!" |
| 12:49.10 | zenzio | <bluspacecow> why do people think it's a good idea to turn Lua errors off <-- they're probably VB programmers who start all their functions with "On Error Resume Next" |
| 12:49.13 | Semlar | a circular shadow which represents your character |
| 12:49.19 | Sintacks | /r/wow (2) |
| 12:49.20 | Sintacks | /r/Diablo (1) |
| 12:49.24 | Sintacks | That's so many results |
| 12:49.26 | End_ | and hen it'll make you wait on the loading screen while it downloads crappy looking ground |
| 12:49.54 | Semlar | and then you disconnect after waiting 40 minutes for orgrimmar to load |
| 12:49.59 | End_ | haha yeah |
| 12:50.05 | Sintacks | "There has been a metric ton of changes in the Lua API " |
| 12:50.08 | Sintacks | you forgot a word, blu |
| 12:50.20 | Zorben | Semlar: you need to grab the actual size in your StopMovingOrSizing() function and save it somewhere, then use those dimensions if you redraw it. |
| 12:50.32 | Semlar | thanks |
| 12:51.29 | Semlar | i don't know exactly what was wrong with it but i do know attaching the minimum functions to resize the frame didn't end very well |
| 12:51.43 | bluspacecow | I was right! |
| 12:51.47 | bluspacecow | it went ZOMG 4% to 31 % then to 131 MB patch download |
| 12:52.10 | Sintacks | 2) When you log in click the addons button and make sure "Load out of Date Addons" is turned on. This option gets turned off because of a misguided concept that no one really uses anyway. A full explanation would be a little off topic for this guide but go ahead and ask me if your interested. |
| 12:52.12 | Sintacks | i'm interesting |
| 12:52.18 | Sintacks | s/ing/ed/ |
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| 12:53.24 | Sintacks | "This will reload your game and UI . More errors may come up again. If so go back and do step 5 & 6 . Repeat until UI is stable and is not coming up with Lua errors." ---- this step sucks ... cuz i has so many addons |
| 12:53.40 | Semlar | my favorite part about this map is the mspaint drawing of the lost isles the developers appear to have left off the coast of durotar |
| 12:53.53 | Sintacks | wat, Semlar |
| 12:53.59 | Semlar | http://i.imgur.com/sCjhR.jpg this |
| 12:54.14 | Semlar | on the right |
| 12:54.24 | Sintacks | waiting for it to open |
| 12:54.31 | Sintacks | i clicked it. like. 30 seconds ago now |
| 12:54.42 | Sintacks | finally |
| 12:54.55 | Semlar | the patcher kinda killed my bandwidth too |
| 12:55.02 | Sintacks | not bandwidth |
| 12:55.03 | bluspacecow | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2978624/Mop_5.0.4_patchnotes.txt |
| 12:55.04 | Sintacks | just computer |
| 12:55.05 | Zorben | ooh finished optimizing, its playing the cinematic now |
| 12:55.14 | Sintacks | i'm at 2% |
| 12:55.27 | Sintacks | Semlar, dafuq is that fromt |
| 12:55.39 | Semlar | it's an addon i'm working on |
| 12:55.43 | Sintacks | where'd these come from, blu? |
| 12:55.52 | bluspacecow | the one i linked |
| 12:56.09 | bluspacecow | im 100% game is up to date on the launcher for live |
| 12:56.17 | bluspacecow | i just copied them out of the patch notes field. |
| 12:56.35 | Sintacks | ahh |
| 12:56.40 | Sintacks | 3% |
| 12:56.54 | Semlar | sintacks: the textures are the ones used for the minimap |
| 12:57.07 | Semlar | so presumably if you could manage to get out there, it would show up |
| 12:57.29 | Sintacks | that's the 5.0.4 patch notes? that's 100 times shorter than i expcted |
| 12:57.31 | Semlar | i kind of doubt there's actually anything out there |
| 12:58.20 | Semlar | there are so many changes in this patch |
| 12:58.47 | zenzio | this download you're doing, is that in addition to the preload, or did you not preload it? |
| 12:59.03 | Semlar | i didn't predownload it |
| 12:59.18 | Semlar | even if you did there's probably a relatively small patch you'll need |
| 12:59.23 | Sintacks | i downloaded it the hour it was downloadable |
| 13:00.05 | Sintacks | wellt hat shows how old that text file is, blu. |
| 13:00.11 | Sintacks | Neither of the resultant currencies (Justice and Honor) have an enforced hard-cap at this time. |
| 13:00.12 | zenzio | I'm confused. I think I have ~5 GB preloaded |
| 13:00.40 | Sintacks | Game is up to date |
| 13:00.40 | Sintacks | woo |
| 13:00.48 | Semlar | the servers won't be up for a whiiiiile so i wouldn't worry too much |
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| 13:01.27 | Sintacks | i can get the accepting of the EULA and TOS over with though. |
| 13:01.28 | zenzio | I'm EU, so we're not even patching until tomorrow |
| 13:01.46 | Sintacks | and make it load the right fucking version. i don't want x64. fucking mumble overlay |
| 13:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | Probably better, zenzio, you can hear all the horror stories today and cringe in advance. |
| 13:01.56 | Sintacks | why the hell did they rename "Options" "System" |
| 13:02.05 | zenzio | Lopeppeppy: hardly news, we've been doing this for years :) |
| 13:02.36 | zenzio | always found it cool back when world firsts mattered, when EU guilds still tended to win them despite being a day behind |
| 13:03.21 | Sintacks | lolz. the only realm that shows up is Arena Tournamanet 1, but it's offline, of course |
| 13:04.14 | Semlar | i'm just chillin on the beta |
| 13:04.23 | Zorben | I tend to think Vaults will just end up being a speed race, even on Heroic, but we'll see how tightly its tuned, you never know where Blizzard will end up on numbers at the end of the day |
| 13:04.33 | Sintacks | k. good. i can still bypass launcher |
| 13:05.06 | Sintacks | I should delete \Interface\ICONS\ |
| 13:05.19 | Sintacks | oh. now i see .agent.db |
| 13:05.46 | Sintacks | "uninstall_path" : "E:\\Program Files (x86)\\Common Files\\Blizzard Entertainment\\World of Warcraft\\Uninstall.exe", |
| 13:05.50 | Sintacks | only path in it |
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| 13:14.11 | Sintacks | i should go to bed |
| 13:14.13 | Sintacks | but i'm not tired |
| 13:14.16 | Sintacks | and too excitd |
| 13:14.22 | Sintacks | though i'm not looking foward to 5.x |
| 13:14.24 | Sintacks | because addons |
| 13:14.27 | Sintacks | are going to break |
| 13:14.30 | Sintacks | and make me sad |
| 13:16.18 | Vladinator | I dislike |
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| 13:16.30 | Vladinator | expansions because |
| 13:16.33 | Vladinator | addons break |
| 13:16.36 | Vladinator | and I use |
| 13:16.39 | Vladinator | my phone for |
| 13:16.40 | Vladinator | irc? :3 |
| 13:17.45 | Sintacks | no... |
| 13:17.50 | Sintacks | i just hit enter |
| 13:17.52 | Sintacks | more than space |
| 13:18.05 | Vladinator | :D |
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| 13:18.31 | iGary | also, this is phone |
| 13:18.32 | Vladinator | btw, is 5 tomorrow? |
| 13:18.49 | iGary | 5.x is when the servers come back |
| 13:19.03 | iGary | and fucj typing in an iDevice |
| 13:19.13 | Vladinator | :D |
| 13:19.28 | Sintacks | fuck* |
| 13:19.29 | Sintacks | on* |
| 13:20.21 | Sintacks | i want to know why you can't skip the launcher with D3 |
| 13:21.12 | Vladinator | probably because they build wow long ago when launchers didn't exist, so they kept the ability to launch without launcher when the launcher came :P |
| 13:21.27 | Vladinator | while d3 is new so they just figure "what evar" and force you to use it :p |
| 13:21.34 | Sintacks | well fuck them |
| 13:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | But D3, ah, that's always had a launcher, so tough nuts to you. |
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| 13:21.59 | Sintacks | hmm |
| 13:22.04 | Sintacks | i was really expecting D3 to be down |
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| 13:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | give it time, people are still asleep. |
| 13:26.18 | kd3 | eesh. how many tools updates is the launcher getting? |
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| 13:27.43 | nevcairiel | all of them |
| 13:27.43 | Sintacks | lol kd3. i said the same thing |
| 13:27.49 | Sintacks | just wait 'til it actually started reconfiging shit |
| 13:28.37 | nevcairiel | the launcher and the game are both essentially rebuilding themaelf |
| 13:28.46 | nevcairiel | a=s |
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| 13:28.59 | d87 | you can skip launcher in d3 with "-launcher" in command line |
| 13:29.01 | kd3 | that's why I'm starting it now |
| 13:29.07 | kd3 | since I'm going to work for a few hours |
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| 13:33.51 | Krapsy | does the launcher scare you? |
| 13:34.14 | Krapsy | why am i still Krapsy |
| 13:34.29 | mckenziemc | launches Kraps into space. |
| 13:34.31 | Kraps | .id |
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| 13:34.54 | bluspacecow | @kd3 i noticed a launcher update as well as an agent tools update as well as a migration tools update |
| 13:35.02 | bluspacecow | there's funny stuff in my Temp folder in the wow folder |
| 13:35.10 | Lopeppeppy | NO way! |
| 13:35.17 | Trela | ~wowalert |
| 13:35.17 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 13:35.55 | Kraps | thats 2pm edt yeah? |
| 13:36.07 | Nimhfree | 2pm eastern |
| 13:36.10 | Trela | Yeah. |
| 13:36.27 | mckenziemc | sometimes |
| 13:36.28 | Kraps | of course, give or take 6 hours :p |
| 13:36.31 | Semlar | if it's up by 5 i'll be shocked |
| 13:36.36 | Trela | It basically means me sitting nervously for the first half of work then freaking out when the patch hits. |
| 13:37.07 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 13:37.25 | Nimhfree | does anyone know whether this update to release 16016 brings with it the changes to the starter zones (like are present in the MoP beta)? |
| 13:37.38 | Trela | I am responsible for updating Arena Junkies for the new Battle.net API. :e |
| 13:38.28 | Sintacks | Nimhfree, do what now |
| 13:38.38 | nevcairiel | all changes will come |
| 13:38.47 | Nimhfree | it appears that the European download is smaller than the US one for some odd reason |
| 13:38.57 | nevcairiel | only new content is still lockes |
| 13:38.57 | Semlar | everything's bigger over here |
| 13:39.01 | Sintacks | cuz you aren't as fat over there |
| 13:39.13 | Semlar | don't kid yourself |
| 13:40.08 | Nimhfree | nevcairiel, does that mean the new factions are not in the Blizzard data? in other words, if one were to try to ask for the name of a faction that is new for MoP beta, will it exist? don't worry, I will be able to test once the servers are up. :-) |
| 13:40.14 | Kraps | lucky day! http://gyazo.com/281671b9ea3058e097ee42c596317628.png?1346160274 |
| 13:40.35 | Sintacks | everything that will be in Mists, is in 5.0.4 |
| 13:41.12 | Nimhfree | I liked the starting movie for this release. is this a no spoiler zone? |
| 13:41.16 | Sintacks | you just can't get to, or use anything (except talents, account wide shit, new spells < 86) |
| 13:41.42 | Sintacks | if you haven't seen the cinimatic, you must live under a rock |
| 13:41.57 | End_ | what if you are a rock |
| 13:42.13 | Semlar | what if you are THE rock |
| 13:42.14 | mckenziemc | i haven't seen the cinematic |
| 13:42.17 | zenzio | then you're the rock at the bottom of the quarry |
| 13:52.08 | Trela | This optimization step... Argh. |
| 13:52.21 | nevcairiel | patience |
| 13:52.23 | bluspacecow | it lies! |
| 13:52.30 | nevcairiel | servers are down anyhow |
| 13:52.44 | Lopeppeppy | no hurry |
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| 13:53.07 | Nimhfree | My US optimization took forever, and it stayed on 1% for ages. I dread the European one, but I still need to wait for it to complete the download. |
| 13:53.10 | Trela | Telshin~ Good morning. |
| 13:53.18 | bluspacecow | http://twitter.com/westendproducer/status/240435140327780352/photo/1 |
| 13:53.21 | Telshin | Good morning |
| 13:53.32 | bluspacecow | i'ld be worried if you thought a Lion was a house cat |
| 13:53.39 | Trela | Telshin: Still waiting on MentalPower. :) |
| 13:53.55 | Telshin | Ah, fun. |
| 13:54.06 | Lopeppeppy | Is MP awake? |
| 13:54.11 | Nimhfree | was the essex lion scare really a cat? |
| 13:54.22 | bluspacecow | apparently so ! |
| 13:54.25 | Trela | Lopeppeppy: He is. |
| 13:54.32 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. |
| 13:54.33 | zenzio | there's been no conclusion Nimhfree |
| 13:54.50 | zenzio | but they've not found anything to substantiate a lion; so at worst they think it was a wildcat |
| 13:54.57 | Nimhfree | my sister lives on a farm in essex....but near cambridge |
| 13:55.15 | mitch0 | does she have a knife? |
| 13:55.31 | Nimhfree | a frying pan perhaps |
| 13:55.49 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 13:56.03 | MentalPower | Trela, Telshin: I was setting up the MMOC fix |
| 13:56.07 | MentalPower | hush you :P |
| 13:56.14 | zenzio | "the MMOC fix"? |
| 13:56.43 | MentalPower | mums |
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| 14:00.09 | Sintacks | http://i.imgur.com/ZP70l.png |
| 14:00.10 | Trela | MentalPower: MMO-C fix? |
| 14:00.11 | Sintacks | da.fuq. |
| 14:00.26 | Kraps | The reason I don't personally comment frequently on PvP threads these days is that, historically, the discussions turned into nasty arguments very quickly. While you see players asking for nerfs to other classes in PvE , it's rare, and usually folks are content to ask for buffs for their character instead. In PvP, you see a lot more requests to nerf someone else, and when Blizzard comment on... |
| 14:00.28 | Kraps | ...those, the targeted classes get defensive, things get personal, and the whole thing devolves quickly. In some ways, PvP doesn't stop in the game, but continues onto the forums. |
| 14:00.30 | Kraps | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:00.52 | Trela | sees email, nods. |
| 14:01.01 | MentalPower | Trela: check yer… right |
| 14:01.08 | Telshin | facepalms |
| 14:01.26 | Telshin | It's too early for this... |
| 14:01.33 | MentalPower | hush you Telshin! |
| 14:01.33 | Nimhfree | ok, the european version is not upgrading to 16016. are they not doing that today? will it be tomorrow like a normal patch wednesday? |
| 14:01.45 | Trela | Nimhfree: I believe so. |
| 14:01.53 | MentalPower | Nimhfree: its been like that since vanilla, why change now |
| 14:02.34 | Nimhfree | I prefer to have it all done at once :-) at least if I needed to play I could use the European servers since they are up |
| 14:02.52 | Sintacks | freak |
| 14:03.10 | Nimhfree | yes, especially in russian :-) |
| 14:03.50 | MentalPower | lol |
| 14:07.03 | Kraps | wow look at these http://www.icy-veins.com/protection-warrior-wow-pve-tank-spec-builds-talents-glyphs |
| 14:11.49 | Sintacks | so, how long you think until blizzard says "okay. fuck you guys. we can't get rid of cookie cutter builds, so now there are no choices at all" |
| 14:12.24 | foxlit | gr, Curse. |
| 14:12.36 | foxlit | where did you hide your "email me every time someone comments" checkbox this time? |
| 14:12.55 | Sintacks | lol |
| 14:13.16 | Sintacks | i fucking regret entering that thing on riegn of gaming for whatever that was |
| 14:14.40 | Kraps | Sintacks, these are still arguably much less cookie cutter |
| 14:14.50 | Sintacks | true |
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| 14:26.11 | Sintacks | dafuq. the rogue taunt (via symbiosys) is a 3min CD. dafuq good is that going to do |
| 14:26.31 | Amarande | Sintacks: ultimately, it's possibly even a problem with the player base |
| 14:26.38 | Amarande | well, two things really. |
| 14:26.44 | Amarande | the player base, and static endgame items |
| 14:26.52 | Sintacks | you talking about cookie cutter, or rogue taunt? |
| 14:26.56 | Amarande | cookie cutter |
| 14:27.18 | Amarande | I'm thinking in comparison to, say, LOTRO, where there basically never ends up being a fixed cookie cutter build, either for character traits or gear |
| 14:27.55 | Amarande | There are certain traits that tend to be chosen more often than others, some of them regarded as "gotta haves" for a lot of people, but there is never really a "this is the optimal build" post like EJ always manages to ruin choice in WoW with |
| 14:28.27 | Amarande | which, I think in turn is because in LOTRO, there is a virtually enforced variance in endgame items compared to WoW |
| 14:29.09 | Amarande | In WoW, raid loot items are static in stats, and have limited upgrades available which are also static in stats, and therefore, it's easy to come to optimised calculations that push people to make their "choices" in lockstep |
| 14:29.41 | Amarande | In LOTRO, the Legendary Item system largely prevents this (except for the richest of diehards who are willing to spend hundreds of USD in the LOTRO Store to create a super-optimised LI) |
| 14:29.47 | Zorben | I don't know if its progress, but I think most classes will have at least a couple of talent tiers that they will change on a fight by fight basis. |
| 14:29.54 | End_ | yeah |
| 14:30.00 | Sintacks | wait what... logic? in #wowuidev? no fucking way |
| 14:30.24 | End_ | some of my talents don't do anything on most fights but are pretty useful on some |
| 14:30.42 | Sintacks | we (rogues) have two tiers that will be changed constantly based on fight type |
| 14:30.55 | Sintacks | and the rest are mostly "meh," pointless, or playstyle |
| 14:30.56 | Amarande | The thing about LOTRO is that at all levels from about 50+ (45+ is the technical minimum, but the quests to unlock them are quite difficult at that point and you cannot upgrade from the starter legendaries until level 51, anyway), your weapon and one other item (sometimes a second weapon, sometimes a class-specific item) are Legendary Items |
| 14:31.08 | Ressy | Cool.. HowToPriest.com bought shadowpriest.com - shadowpriest.com will redirect as of Aug 31. Pretty good considering shadowpriest.com was being run by a non-wow player who was just ad spamming. |
| 14:31.10 | Kaelten | Repos and packagers on wowace/curseforge fixed :) |
| 14:31.42 | Amarande | Legendary items are not the same as WoW's orange legendary items. They actually have three tiers (uncommon, rare, and epic), and are available at all levels from 50 on up, not just at cap levels. |
| 14:32.07 | Zorben | Yea, there will be like 1 fight per tier, where your obscure pvp talent will have some usefulness. |
| 14:32.46 | Torhal | Can anyone get on Lost Isles and invite me to the Horde guild? |
| 14:32.59 | Amarande | But here's the main thing about LIs: 1) They themselves gain XP and level up. When they level up, they gain legendary points, which you invest in the item's stats as you see fit. |
| 14:33.55 | Amarande | 2) Moreover, the stats on a given legendary item are *randomly assigned*. At item levels 10, 20, and 30 you get to add another stat to the item and get to pick one of two each time, but your two choices are also randomly picked. |
| 14:34.10 | Semlar | i can invite you to A guild |
| 14:34.23 | Semlar | i think |
| 14:35.15 | Semlar | probably not the one you want |
| 14:35.21 | Sintacks | I love the voice of the guy that does fatboss videos |
| 14:35.34 | Amarande | It's possible to change the stats ("legacies") on a LI, which is done by using a legacy scroll (which is in turn obtained by deconstructing a legendary item that has leveled up to not less than 31 and has the legacy you want to move to the other item). However, those legacies arrive on the new legendary item at a low tier, which means they cost a lot more points per rank to rank up compared |
| 14:35.34 | Amarande | to ones that were on the item natively. |
| 14:35.55 | Amarande | Tiers can be upgraded, but that requires another item, which takes a long time to get in quantity unless you spend truly huge amounts of money on the LOTRO Store. |
| 14:36.06 | Amarande | (And of course both the tier upgrade items and the legacy scrolls are, as I remember, BoP.) |
| 14:36.58 | Amarande | In other words, in order to have a "perfect cookie cutter build" there you'd need the perfect cookie cutter legendary items to go with it, which take such a horrendously long time to put together that such an idea really isn't bothered with by the playerbase in general. :) |
| 14:37.45 | Amarande | WoW is much more vulnerable to such build notions because the gear you get is fixed and static (barring reforges), so it's easy to figure out what the optimal item and build combination is through easy spreadsheet calculations, and it's much more practical to obtain the BiS items, so people end up expected to get the specific kit. |
| 14:38.02 | durcyn | did you just type that, or are you copying and pasting from your dissertation |
| 14:38.03 | Lopeppeppy | Except the know it all players who deride you for not having what they think is your "perfect" build and kick you out of raids. |
| 14:38.55 | Semlar | thankfully the new talent system is basically purely utility so there's no such thing |
| 14:38.59 | Amarande | yup. |
| 14:39.10 | Kraps | durcyn, what do you think the pauses are |
| 14:39.14 | Amarande | Though I imagine a lot of mages will remain glued to Ice Barrier on the level 30 talent line while soloing :) |
| 14:39.56 | Amarande | I certainly will. There's something refreshingly fun about being able to go do lower level instances and pull half the instance without taking a scratch :) |
| 14:40.03 | Semlar | i'm sure there's best talents for specific situations but it's not going to be like "this is your only option" |
| 14:40.35 | Amarande | And actually be able to AoE half the instance while they uselessly crowd around you trying to hit you (which you wouldn't be able to do without IB because your Blizzard would be pushed back to nothing before it even ticked :P) |
| 14:40.37 | Semlar | they basically just gave us all of the previous talents as base abilities for speccing into a specialization |
| 14:41.11 | Semlar | so you get the "cookie cutter" build by speccing into something |
| 14:41.21 | Semlar | then the talents let you customize your abilities |
| 14:41.48 | Amarande | Which ... I will say is especially useful as an Engineer, because several of our schematics require farming old world instances repeatedly at horrid drop rates, so such AoE farming is a good thing indeed |
| 14:41.54 | Amarande | (I am also very much looking forward to AoE looting, too) |
| 14:42.05 | Amarande | is AoE looting with MoP or is it today? |
| 14:42.12 | durcyn | it's now. |
| 14:42.16 | Semlar | probably today |
| 14:42.22 | durcyn | all of the systems changes are in the pre-patch |
| 14:42.28 | Semlar | almost all of the changes are going to be in this patch |
| 14:42.53 | Amarande | Semlar: yup, it seems there's really only one thing left to worry about in terms of cookie-cutterism |
| 14:42.58 | Amarande | which is DPS specs vis-a-vis one another |
| 14:43.20 | durcyn | Semlar: no, really, all of them. pet battles being disabled doesn't mean the backend isn't in place |
| 14:43.21 | Kraps | Slam is instant now whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 14:43.22 | Semlar | you can also swap talents out on the fly so it's a pretty minor issue |
| 14:43.27 | Amarande | something Blizzard has consistently failed to do over the years apparently, is balance said specs against each other |
| 14:44.15 | Amarande | invariably, with classes that are pure DPS or which have two DPS trees, one DPS spec gets found to be significantly better than the other one or two, so one or two supposed choices just rot |
| 14:44.32 | Amarande | except for woolheaded space goats like me who insist on speccing frost mage for pve anyway heh |
| 14:45.00 | Semlar | frost mages do a ton of damage in pve on the beta |
| 14:45.29 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I mean, the one thing left to worry about is whether, say, frost vs. fire vs. arcane will be a true and real choice in endgame now |
| 14:45.40 | Amarande | or whether there will be one that's significantly better or inferior that raiders are expected to choose or avoid |
| 14:46.14 | Semlar | unless the difference between two specs is fairly substantial, i will just pick the one i prefer |
| 14:46.36 | Semlar | like how beast mastery did such garbage damage compared to survival |
| 14:46.44 | Amarande | or perhaps more significantly the warlock specs, because mage specs are all different flavours of spamming missiles of some sort, while warlock specs each have very distinct styles of play |
| 14:46.56 | Amarande | which is why I hated how destro so often ended up "the spec" on warlocks |
| 14:47.15 | Amarande | because ... frankly, destro plays like a mage. I have a mage, if I want to play like a mage I'll play my MAGE, makes sense right? :P |
| 14:47.33 | Mr_Rabies | i'm going to be feral/guardian for basically forever |
| 14:47.38 | Kaelten | Do we know for sure what the new Toc# will be? |
| 14:47.48 | Semlar | 500001 |
| 14:47.51 | Mr_Rabies | i was feral before 1.7, and there's no way we could ever be that bad again |
| 14:48.07 | End_ | that looks like too many zeros |
| 14:48.16 | Amarande | Mr_Rabies: yeah, it's not usually anymore that a given spec sucks, like ret pallies or frost mages in the olden days |
| 14:48.25 | Semlar | i mean 50001 |
| 14:48.37 | Amarande | it's usually more that theorycrafters find that one specific spec interacts with the BiS gear in a way that makes it significantly OP compared to the other ones |
| 14:48.47 | mitch0 | Amarande: frost mages never sucked |
| 14:48.52 | Semlar | in pve? |
| 14:49.02 | mitch0 | in general |
| 14:49.11 | Semlar | frost mages did pretty terrible pve damage |
| 14:49.11 | Amarande | like how Arcane mages ended up being "the" spec to be in much of cata because of how their mastery scaled |
| 14:49.16 | Kraps | ahhhhh so many passive buffs/debuffs :D |
| 14:49.17 | Amarande | which is something that's going to be going away today |
| 14:49.38 | Semlar | raidbots had them and beast mastery hunters competing with the lowest possible damage in the game |
| 14:49.48 | durcyn | wow won't be balanced until greg street is launched into the nearest star |
| 14:49.51 | Semlar | oh and subtlety rogues |
| 14:49.52 | Amarande | the thing about arcane apparently was that because mana pools grew larger and larger with each tier |
| 14:49.55 | durcyn | so give up on that |
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| 14:50.28 | Semlar | mana is apparently set now |
| 14:50.33 | Kraps | durcyn, thats pretty dumb |
| 14:50.34 | Semlar | static |
| 14:50.36 | Amarande | while mana costs didn't go up correspondingly, and their mastery scaled with % of remaining mana, so they ended up leaving fire and frost in the dust |
| 14:51.01 | Amarande | Semlar: yeah, mana no longer scales with int, so that stops being a problem |
| 14:51.12 | Kraps | can you tell me how you would make frost bolt vs mortal strike exactly even? |
| 14:51.13 | Amarande | I think the only way to alter max mana now is with the "Ember" series of meta gems? |
| 14:51.56 | Kraps | they are already inherently uneven |
| 14:52.07 | Semlar | for pvp wow is balanced around a minimum of 3 players |
| 14:52.12 | Amarande | Yeah, perfect balance is probably unachievable |
| 14:52.14 | Nimhfree | Blizzard did a great job with balance for Starcraft. however, in WoW there are just too many different classes/specs to be able to balance things yet have them unique. if there were, it would probably be unrepeatable. |
| 14:52.23 | Semlar | it isn't balanced around 1v1 period |
| 14:52.43 | Amarande | However, they could better avoid cases in which one particular spec ends up too significantly more powerful than others (and should, in the case of multiple DPS spec options on a given class) |
| 14:53.18 | Amarande | I'm surprised they let Arcane get out of hand in Cata ... don't they usually have the tiers all planned out from the beginning, so they'd know how mana would have been scaling through cata? |
| 14:53.36 | Sintacks | ... never sign up for Disney Movie Club. |
| 14:53.45 | Sintacks | they will charge you for a movie, even if you tell them not to send it to you |
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| 14:55.04 | Amarande | Sintacks: heh, well, of course. we're talking Disney here, who just loves to soak up your money. Remember what EPCOT is usually said to stand for? :D |
| 14:55.30 | Sintacks | no... |
| 14:55.38 | Kraps | uh oh |
| 14:55.38 | Amarande | "Every Pocket Cleaned Out Thoroughly" |
| 14:55.45 | Sintacks | lolz |
| 14:55.50 | Kraps | badumtis |
| 14:55.51 | Kraps | h |
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| 14:56.32 | Amarande | or "Eisner's Personal Cash On Tap" |
| 14:58.42 | Jamash | amg LEARNED_SPELL_IN_TAB has the global spell ID now |
| 14:58.53 | Jamash | man I wish I'd started fixing learning aid earlier :-/ |
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| 15:02.18 | Amarande | ... I am really not sure why I'm bothering to install the patch today ... |
| 15:02.24 | Jamash | why not? |
| 15:02.35 | Amarande | I work today and tomorrow, then Thursday I leave for Dragon Con |
| 15:02.45 | Jamash | and when you get back the patch will be installed |
| 15:02.47 | Amarande | and when I get home I'll have a shiny new terabyte HD waiting for me |
| 15:02.49 | Jamash | oh |
| 15:02.52 | Amarande | which means I'm going to have to reinstall WoW anyway |
| 15:02.56 | Jamash | well you can just copy your wow install you know |
| 15:03.02 | Jamash | there's no real reason to reinstall |
| 15:03.14 | Amarande | hmm, does it break patching to just back up the install and copy it back in after installing windows? |
| 15:03.27 | Jamash | I don't know why it would |
| 15:03.41 | Amarande | Jamash: wondering if the patch process depends on anything in the Registry |
| 15:03.44 | Jamash | wow's pretty resilient |
| 15:03.46 | Jamash | nah |
| 15:03.55 | Amarande | ah. gut. |
| 15:03.55 | Jamash | when you run it again it updates the registry |
| 15:04.01 | Ressy | ^ |
| 15:04.07 | End_ | the registry is mostly only used to determine WoW's install location |
| 15:04.09 | Ressy | Run as admin in Win7/Vista tho |
| 15:04.31 | durcyn | Ressy: and 8, at least once, if it's a pre-5.0 launcher |
| 15:04.45 | Amarande | also: any storm clouds on the horizon for WoW in terms of, will we have any trouble getting it to run properly on Win8 when that starts being adopted by gamers? |
| 15:05.12 | Amarande | you know, I'm still wondering what bath salts Microsoft was inhaling with the "forced Metro" thing |
| 15:05.28 | Amarande | 8 has both the desktop and Metro supported, but they decided very specifically to make sure you HAVE TO boot to the Metro start screen |
| 15:05.39 | durcyn | have you tried it yet? it's really not awful |
| 15:05.52 | Amarande | well, the main thing I'm thinking of is how many corporate customers they've pissed off with that |
| 15:06.11 | Amarande | Windows had always previously been very pliable to corporate policy settings for user experience |
| 15:06.31 | Jamash | don't install windows 8 |
| 15:06.37 | Amarande | and a lot of corporate customers are now quite annoyed that they're going to have to spend time and money giving at least basic training on Metro to employees in order to be able to upgrade |
| 15:06.50 | durcyn | there's nothing to train on, it's a full screen start menu |
| 15:06.51 | Amarande | when they ought to just have been able to put in a policy key saying "hey, boot to the desktop, yanno?" |
| 15:06.58 | durcyn | full stop |
| 15:07.47 | Amarande | the only way this makes sense is if Microsoft is trying to wean people off of desktop apps so that they can go Metro only for Windows 9 or 10, but you know they would never be able to actually do that |
| 15:07.53 | Amarande | because there are going to be plenty of desktop-only apps for years to come |
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| 15:08.02 | Jamash | hmm, pandaren NPC named "Applebloom" with a purple ribbon in her hair. |
| 15:08.14 | Amarande | not to mention the inevitable monopoly suits since Metro apps can only be obtained from the MS Store |
| 15:08.42 | durcyn | switching between metro and legacy is instant and painless, you're being dramatic for no real reason |
| 15:08.45 | Jamash | Microsoft wants to destroy their best market (desktop and laptop PCs) in the name of promoting xbox/tablets |
| 15:08.56 | Jamash | they're idiots |
| 15:08.58 | durcyn | it's not like non-metro things run in a vm or something |
| 15:09.16 | Vladinator | Jamash: oh no you did't... |
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| 15:09.25 | Vladinator | s/'t/n't |
| 15:09.48 | Unkle | station |
| 15:09.56 | Humbedooh | contemplation |
| 15:09.58 | Amarande | and as long as Metro is single-sourced apps with an approval system that has a rather apply scent to it from what I've heard |
| 15:10.06 | Torhal | Anyone on Lost Isles that can invite me to the Horde guild? |
| 15:10.12 | Amarande | they can't drop the desktop, because it would in particular result in the browser monopoly situation again |
| 15:10.33 | Vladinator | anyone use greasemonkey? |
| 15:10.39 | Torhal | Good lord, the Monologues of Eternity continue on. |
| 15:11.25 | Amarande | well, what occurred to me is that with the app approval system in place, only IE can reasonably be a Metro browser, pretty much ever |
| 15:11.40 | Amarande | because Microsoft can update IE with security fixes whenever they need to |
| 15:11.46 | durcyn | someone better tell this chrome metro beta build i'm using then |
| 15:11.57 | Amarande | while all other browsers are fettered by the need to wait for MS to approve the build each time they need to submit a security update |
| 15:12.03 | Mihau | Torhal: Did you have trouble with WoW patching or even running this morning? |
| 15:12.07 | Amarande | what this means is that IE will end up being significantly more secure in the long run than other browsers, no? |
| 15:12.21 | Torhal | Mihau: Lemme check - I'm on the Beta at the moment so didn't even try live. |
| 15:12.52 | Mihau | Torhal: Computer at home patched perfectly. At work, Launcher and Game start... then just exit. |
| 15:13.12 | Torhal | Your office machine is, admittedly, a bit possessed. |
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| 15:14.25 | durcyn | deleting the shared battle.net cache directory did it for me |
| 15:14.41 | durcyn | had to relaunch the migration binary manually though, since it left the launcher in a half-patched state |
| 15:15.15 | Ressy | Vladinator: I do.. Its pretty good |
| 15:16.13 | Torhal | Mihau: Launcher updated itself, restarted, OSX asked for my password, then it said it needed to optimize |
| 15:16.24 | Amarande | durcyn: anyway, will browsers other than IE be able to compete adequately in Metro in the post-release world, or will they start getting bad reputations due to not being able to update security fixes as fast as IE (because MS doesn't have to wait for approval on its own apps, while every build of third-party Metro apps will need to go through the channels)? |
| 15:16.40 | bluspacecow | 'cause your that dirty Torhal |
| 15:16.42 | Torhal | durcyn: When the fuck did you gain prescience? |
| 15:16.47 | durcyn | Amarande: if Opera's not in the metro store i'll eat a hat |
| 15:17.01 | bluspacecow | @Torhal shall I knock him out again ? |
| 15:17.02 | Torhal | washes bluspacecow with pure lye. |
| 15:17.16 | durcyn | Amarande: and if you don't write ten paragraphs on it in the next five minutes, i'll eat a second hat |
| 15:17.17 | Jamash | downloading downloader |
| 15:17.19 | Jamash | updating updater |
| 15:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | That's nasty, Torhal. |
| 15:17.54 | Sintacks | why the hell am i still awake |
| 15:18.17 | Jamash | why would anyone use the windows app store to download a web browser |
| 15:18.25 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I aim to please. |
| 15:19.19 | durcyn | Jamash: he's right in that microsoft is trying to imitate the osx app store, he's wrong in that microsoft is trying to imitate mandatory sandboxing, yet |
| 15:19.34 | Jamash | well, actually I think they are on ARM |
| 15:19.58 | durcyn | only inasmuch as ARM doesn't have non-metro suport, no? |
| 15:20.00 | Mihau | Torhal: That is what it did at home. Seems my whole thing needs wiped. |
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| 15:20.54 | Jamash | durcyn: there you go |
| 15:22.56 | Amarande | durcyn: yeah, what I was thinking of is the potential future where every application has to be signed by MS and be obtained through their store in order to run |
| 15:23.19 | Jamash | there is no possible way MS could drive linux adoption faster than to do that |
| 15:23.42 | Jamash | which is not to say that they won't |
| 15:23.42 | Amarande | And then it's not a matter that other browsers won't be on their store, it's more the matter that security vulnerabilities will suffer from an increased time-to-fix for non-IE browsers because the build has to go through the store vetting before it can be pushed to consumers |
| 15:23.51 | Torhal | Potential. As in, why the fuck is this even a discussion? :P |
| 15:24.00 | Amarande | whereas IE would be able to push urgent fixes whenever necessary, thus giving them a tremendous competitive advantage in a security-conscious market |
| 15:24.17 | durcyn | Amarande: so, just like iOS and windows phone, but with more chicken little proclamations. gotcha. |
| 15:24.18 | Jamash | because people are concerned that MS are going to f them over and want to be prepared in that contingency |
| 15:24.35 | Jamash | durcyn: you can't run firefox on iOS at all |
| 15:24.36 | Lopeppeppy | MS always f's us over, what's new? Remember Vista? |
| 15:24.40 | durcyn | I hope they do, I'll make a killing selling copies of XP with a corporate key |
| 15:25.25 | Amarande | heh, firefox really isn't quite there yet on mobile platforms |
| 15:25.33 | Jamash | this isn't about tablets and phones, this is about desktop and laptops |
| 15:25.37 | Sintacks | With the release of patch 5.0.4 Players who utilize the Master Looter option in Raid groups may encounter a known issue under certain conditions in which loot cannot be assigned to players outside of the Master Looter’s own group. |
| 15:25.38 | Sintacks | that sounds fun |
| 15:25.43 | Amarande | I installed Firefox Beta for Android on my phone and it still can't even quite handle HTML5 compatibility testing properly without outright crashing |
| 15:25.58 | Jamash | what if apple made it so you can't install desktop apps except through the mac app store? |
| 15:26.11 | durcyn | Jamash: it's about tablet and phone sandboxing principles being available on traditional pc platforms, such as apple has already done with Gatekeeper on 10.8 |
| 15:26.30 | Torhal | Jamash: They'd catch insane amounts of hell. |
| 15:26.34 | durcyn | which can be disabled, it should be mentioned |
| 15:26.36 | Jamash | that would draw the same level of concern from mac users as this windows 8 nonsense is drawing from windows users |
| 15:26.45 | Jamash | so the concern is warrented |
| 15:26.57 | Amarande | and, knowing Apple, I'm surprised they haven't tried to push Mac OS more in that direction already |
| 15:27.09 | Jamash | because many people think MS (and apple) are dumb enough to actually try that |
| 15:27.10 | durcyn | as long as it's configurable, the sky is not falling, it's just ipmlementation of a more secure default for non power users |
| 15:27.15 | Jamash | it's not |
| 15:27.35 | Jamash | a "more secure default for non power users" is tomorrow's "mandatory for everyone" |
| 15:27.59 | Jamash | tell me MS doesn't have a history of that |
| 15:28.06 | Amarande | Apple rather hates the idea of open platforms. Note their smartphone litigation zeal. Also note how much effort Steve Jobs put into making sure the hugely encumbered H.264 won the Web video format wars rather than a more open format like Theora (and isn't even Windows Media less encumbered, since MS tends to be rather permissive with its format patents?) |
| 15:28.25 | Jamash | apple is the new microsoft |
| 15:28.31 | Jamash | microsoft is the new IBM |
| 15:28.48 | Amarande | It is this latter that leaves Linux in a severe pickle for the future in countries that honour software patents, because meanwhile Adobe is dropping the Flash plugin, which was the only way that H.264 was legally supported in open source browsers, for Linux |
| 15:28.58 | Sintacks | i'm-a go sleep for 3 hours, wake up, check server,s and go back to sleep, cuz they won't be back up yet |
| 15:29.00 | Amarande | leaving Linux desktops facing a future where video-heavy Web pages just show a bunch of black boxes |
| 15:29.01 | durcyn | hahahah, H.264 is your example, seriously? |
| 15:29.32 | Jamash | we'll see if they make the same transition that IBM did from Big Brother/the Evil Empire to a normal company that makes and sells products |
| 15:29.41 | durcyn | nevermind that MS tried to get the patent-encumbered mess that was VC-1 picked up for the spec? did HD-DVD not even register with you? |
| 15:29.46 | Jamash | or crash and burn like so many before them |
| 15:30.57 | durcyn | i also don't see apple charging royalties for the use of their container format which they effectively donated to MPEG-LA for said H.264 specification in the first place |
| 15:31.41 | durcyn | none of this information will prevent you from pontificating from a place of utter ignorance, though, so I suppose I'll go talk to non-hysterical people |
| 15:32.04 | Arrowmaster | the fight over H.264 isnt a good example to use at all because it was already being used in so many places because it was so much better than everything else at the time, a lot of people would have rather used H.264 and hoped it got opened up in the future than the other alternatives |
| 15:32.50 | sintAcks | (Please note: if friends are not available to you at the time, two will be provided. Batteries not included. Subject to change. Void where prohibited.) |
| 15:32.53 | sintAcks | sounds kinky |
| 15:33.30 | Mihau | Torhal: My work Mac Pro is very special. |
| 15:33.52 | Jamash | MS moved their european distribution center to another country over H264 patent litigation |
| 15:33.56 | Jamash | it's a huge deal |
| 15:33.58 | Torhal | Mihau: If it could, would it lick windows? |
| 15:34.08 | Jamash | *huge* |
| 15:34.09 | Mihau | Torhal: Just for fun probably. |
| 15:34.16 | Jamash | we're talking billions of dollars here |
| 15:34.22 | Jamash | potentially |
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| 15:36.35 | Jamash | and google is just as guilty as MS, Apple and co. in this for continuing to pursue motorola h264 patents against MS |
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| 15:38.36 | Jamash | if only countries were willing to formally invalidate all software patents most of these problems would evaporate |
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| 15:39.16 | Cairenn | hey hey schnoggo, ltns |
| 15:39.18 | Cairenn | how goes? |
| 15:39.40 | schnoggo | Hi,. Cairenn! |
| 15:40.08 | kagaro | Jamash you mean trade secrets! ya that cool stuff |
| 15:40.24 | Jamash | no, I don't |
| 15:40.38 | Jamash | patents are disclosed, trade secrets are, uh, yeah |
| 15:41.12 | schnoggo | Been a busy year. But has just gotten slightly more sane. I was actually able to play a couple hours and get my addons updated a couple weeks ago. But forgot patch day was here. Frantically transferring stuff to my office computer so I can get stuff uploaded :) |
| 15:41.22 | kagaro | trade secrets is where its at, screw patents |
| 15:41.23 | Cairenn | zomg! |
| 15:41.30 | Jamash | I'd be ok if software patents had a vastly reduced duration |
| 15:41.31 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.36 | Jamash | like, one year from filing date :) |
| 15:41.36 | bluspacecow | *puts clothes back on* |
| 15:41.37 | Cairenn | you got to play?!?! |
| 15:42.08 | schnoggo | Patents? I've said it before: "Bring back the model requirement!" |
| 15:42.32 | kagaro | did you know there is no patent for WD-40, its all a trade secret |
| 15:42.54 | schnoggo | I know, Cairenn. :) Even got to stop my in-game mail from evaporating. :) |
| 15:43.04 | Cairenn | unpossible! |
| 15:43.23 | Kaelten | http://imgur.com/a/jj3m7 |
| 15:43.28 | Kaelten | I love the UI Screenshots in that |
| 15:43.54 | Kaelten | kagaro: same for coke |
| 15:44.10 | schnoggo | While waiting for the non-beta client to update, our release version is 50001 or 50004? |
| 15:44.23 | Jamash | patents expire, trade secrets don't |
| 15:44.35 | Jamash | if you can keep the secret |
| 15:44.41 | kagaro | thats the point, you also can't sue over a trade secret |
| 15:44.51 | Jamash | well, that's not entirely true |
| 15:45.37 | Kaelten | kagaro: I think we need trade secrets and copyrights, but yeah patents we don't |
| 15:45.54 | Jamash | on software, or everything? |
| 15:45.56 | kagaro | patents are the suck, copyright needs better expiration dates |
| 15:46.10 | Jamash | reduce copyright back to 28+28 imo |
| 15:46.33 | kagaro | copyright 7 years should be enough |
| 15:46.38 | Jamash | yeah, no |
| 15:46.48 | kagaro | you know copyright original purpose was correct? |
| 15:47.06 | Kaelten | Jamash: honestly? I think everything |
| 15:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | So that people couldn't steal books written in America and reprint in Europe, and vice versa. |
| 15:47.28 | kagaro | correct when shit was hand written |
| 15:47.39 | kagaro | and the first printing presses came out |
| 15:47.48 | Jamash | seems unfortunate for people who invent things, companies that spend millions/billions on R&D |
| 15:47.56 | Kaelten | kagaro: copyright for the lifetime or the author + a some number of years seem reasonable to me |
| 15:48.02 | kagaro | if you haven't recouped your money in 7 years too bad |
| 15:48.05 | Lopeppeppy | The telegraph is what *really* made them nervous, because that took no time at all - not even as long as a boat transport. |
| 15:48.11 | Kaelten | Jamash: companies adapt, it won't stop innovation |
| 15:48.41 | Jamash | kagaro: so if you send a manuscript to a publisher, they just decline to publish, wait 7 years and make all the money, author gets nothing? |
| 15:48.43 | Kaelten | schnoggo: we have no idea yet I don't think :( |
| 15:48.43 | kagaro | why lifetime, seems to me way to long |
| 15:48.48 | Unkle | If you like people writting books for you to read, you need some form of copyright. If you like new things getting invented, you need some form of patents. *shrug* everything else is just disagreement on details. |
| 15:48.58 | Jamash | ^ |
| 15:49.13 | Lopeppeppy | Unkle, I'm having a hard time getting used to your new awakeness! |
| 15:49.41 | Jamash | I have no inherent beef with copyright and patent, just protection that lasts too long or monopolizes ideas |
| 15:49.42 | kagaro | in todays age: self publishing isn't a big issue |
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| 15:49.59 | Kaelten | kagaro: a screenplay then? |
| 15:50.00 | foxlit | number of self-published things I've read: 0. |
| 15:50.00 | schnoggo | I'm a little concerned about my client update on Mac (what I have at work). Stuck at Reconfiguring game files 5% for the last 20 minutes. |
| 15:50.19 | Kaelten | schnoggo: mine finished here at the office earlier |
| 15:50.23 | Jamash | schnoggo: load up activity monitor |
| 15:50.24 | Kaelten | let me check my home machine |
| 15:50.28 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy I even came to the office early today 'cause I needed to replace battery back ups for network infrastructure when no one was trying to use it... And I'm likely to be the only one here until 10am local. |
| 15:50.33 | Jamash | see if the disk is actually getting read/written |
| 15:50.59 | Kaelten | wow, my home machine is at 2% after running for a few hours |
| 15:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | You're scary good, Unkle. |
| 15:51.02 | bluspacecow | @schnoggo yeah it's slow |
| 15:51.10 | Jamash | like mine's at 0% but I can see that data\alternate.mpq is being written |
| 15:51.15 | bluspacecow | eventually it'll just JUMP to 31 % |
| 15:51.25 | Jamash | amg 1% |
| 15:51.25 | bluspacecow | you could run a lsof to peek at it doing work |
| 15:51.31 | kagaro | dunno |
| 15:51.43 | kagaro | get a sponsor/patron |
| 15:51.50 | bluspacecow | or open Activity monitor's internal binary (in the app package) as root with sudo then peek at the open files for Agent |
| 15:52.23 | Jamash | ~wowalert |
| 15:52.23 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 15:52.46 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy most of the winery office is out for emergenicies, vacation or jury duty. |
| 15:53.03 | schnoggo | Good call Jamash. It is indeed chewing away. Normally the Mac mini is pretty zippy, but I have a lot of stuff running. |
| 15:53.07 | bluspacecow | a wine emergency! |
| 15:53.12 | bluspacecow | ned moah cheese |
| 15:53.28 | Jamash | offers a wine and cheese medley platter |
| 15:55.43 | schnoggo | wishes he could run the updater as not nice |
| 15:56.10 | Jamash | if your disk throughput is saturated increasing your cpu priority doesn't do much |
| 15:56.43 | Kaelten | yeah, probably why it finished so fast at the office, my iMac here has an ssd |
| 15:56.50 | Jamash | exactly |
| 15:56.56 | Jamash | 2%! |
| 15:57.40 | Xinhuan | . |
| 15:57.45 | schnoggo | Yeah. I'm certain the bottleneck is the Mac Mini drive. Not exactly a speed demon. When I get back home, the PC should go much faster. (10k rpm game drive) |
| 15:57.45 | Jamash | probably would have been a good idea to defrag yesterday |
| 15:58.04 | Jamash | and explicitly put all the wow data together |
| 15:58.10 | Jamash | oh well |
| 15:58.56 | Xinhuan | Wow needs to be optimized... 15-60 min. BEGIN. CLICK. There is insufficient space on your harddrive. please clear some space or select a different drive and try again. 5.00 GB required. |
| 15:59.08 | Xinhuan | Whats' up with that, i have 463gb free on that disk |
| 15:59.13 | Jamash | ~sadtrombone |
| 15:59.13 | purl | i heard sadtrombone is http://www.sadtrombone.com/ |
| 15:59.26 | nevcairiel | Xinhuan: maybe on another disc :P |
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| 15:59.51 | Xinhuan | hmmm don't tell me i ran the wrong launcher. |
| 15:59.54 | Jamash | purl: no, sadtrombone is <REPLY> Wah wah wah wahhhhhh <http://www.sadtrombone.com> |
| 15:59.54 | purl | okay, Jamash |
| 16:00.42 | Xinhuan | looks like i did run the wrong launcher, on a disk with 0.8gb free |
| 16:00.51 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 16:00.59 | End_ | another mystery solved |
| 16:01.19 | Jamash | :E |
| 16:01.30 | Xinhuan | there's so much free space on this disk that i didn't even partition the remainder 1.5tb space |
| 16:01.36 | Xinhuan | its just unpartitioned space |
| 16:01.39 | bluspacecow | ~sadtrombone |
| 16:01.39 | purl | Wah wah wah wahhhhhh <http://www.sadtrombone.com> |
| 16:01.40 | Jamash | that's sad |
| 16:01.45 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 16:01.52 | Torhal | Kaelten: Your home machine is weird. I started the launcher when Mihau asked me about it and it's already done reconfiguring and now it's downloading updates. |
| 16:02.15 | nevcairiel | i have my wow on an ssd as well, guess that cuts down on a lot of time |
| 16:02.19 | Jamash | by far |
| 16:02.20 | End_ | yeah |
| 16:02.22 | Jamash | it's mostly seeking |
| 16:02.43 | Jamash | read a little, write a little, read a little, write a little |
| 16:02.53 | Jamash | SSD >>> HDD |
| 16:02.55 | Xinhuan | anyone knows if the GW2 folder can be moved |
| 16:02.57 | nevcairiel | maybe i should just re-download the gmae |
| 16:03.04 | End_ | it took 3 or 4 minutes to reconfigure maybe for me? I don't know, since it actually gave an error and the launcher had to be restarted |
| 16:03.32 | End_ | (my ssd kinda sucks too) |
| 16:05.27 | Jamash | resource monitor reports 100% disk activity but only 5MB/s disk IO (also, 3%) |
| 16:05.36 | Jamash | aaaand done |
| 16:05.46 | Jamash | wtfblizz |
| 16:05.51 | Jamash | now it's downloading |
| 16:05.56 | Jamash | 26% |
| 16:06.03 | Jamash | 49% |
| 16:06.08 | Jamash | ???????????????????????????? |
| 16:06.23 | Xinhuan | so after launching the correct launcher |
| 16:06.29 | Xinhuan | now its stuck at downloading updated tools :P |
| 16:06.32 | Xinhuan | at 99% |
| 16:06.38 | Xinhuan | #firstworldproblems |
| 16:06.39 | Jamash | derp |
| 16:07.23 | Jamash | geez, it's connecting to 9 different akamai hosts |
| 16:08.35 | Jamash | did they turn off p2p for this? |
| 16:09.55 | nilyaK | my parents' wireless router needed resetting but I didn't want to go upstairs so I stared into space for 10 minutes before work instead of reading google news and checking email. That's like beyond first world problems into really ****ing lazy first world problems. |
| 16:10.15 | Xinhuan | ok |
| 16:10.33 | Xinhuan | the "correct launcher" ALSO complained about lack of available Hard drive space. |
| 16:11.20 | Xinhuan | and quit |
| 16:11.35 | Xinhuan | then i reran the same launcher, and it worked. -.- |
| 16:12.01 | Jamash | #patchdayproblems |
| 16:13.35 | bluspacecow | #sillypeople_thinking_IRC_is_twitter_problems |
| 16:14.09 | Jamash | #ircproblems |
| 16:14.10 | schnoggo | So realms not up yet? |
| 16:14.16 | nilyaK | #wowuidev problems |
| 16:14.18 | nilyaK | MIRITE? |
| 16:14.20 | Jamash | ~realmstatus |
| 16:14.20 | purl | [realmstatus] a lie |
| 16:14.25 | Jamash | sigh |
| 16:14.35 | schnoggo | Heh. Maybe there really is a channel called #patchdayproblems :) |
| 16:14.48 | Jamash | purl: no, realmstatus is http://us.battle.net/wow/en/status |
| 16:14.48 | purl | Jamash: okay |
| 16:14.57 | nilyaK | we could make one if not |
| 16:15.01 | Jamash | which is down, fyi |
| 16:15.27 | nilyaK | battle.net is working fine for me /logs in to Diablo II |
| 16:15.47 | Jamash | and done! |
| 16:16.09 | schnoggo | wanders off to get some paying work done before running home early to get main system updated. Forgot to set up the port-forwarding on the new router |
| 16:18.26 | Cairenn | later schnoggo |
| 16:22.09 | Jamash | anyhoo live interface is indeed 50001, confirmed by extracting the new ui |
| 16:22.27 | Ressy | Can't wait for this weekend. Headed to Ottawa. :D |
| 16:23.57 | Cairenn | O.O |
| 16:24.02 | Cairenn | Why for coming to Ottawa? |
| 16:24.14 | Ressy | Visiting my sis. :) |
| 16:24.33 | Cairenn | <== lives in Ottawa |
| 16:24.50 | Jamash | party at Cairenn's house! |
| 16:25.08 | Ressy | My sis lived literally, right around the corner from you before they moved in June |
| 16:25.33 | Ressy | Moved to Bayshore area |
| 16:25.39 | Cairenn | Did we have this convo already? *is very tired atm and not thinking so clearly* |
| 16:25.44 | bluspacecow | @Jamash oh rly |
| 16:29.50 | kagaro | i hope my mac pro isn't dead when i get back home it went offline and i can't check it for another week |
| 16:30.32 | Kaelten | ~pillow Cairenn |
| 16:30.32 | purl | ACTION starts a pillow fight with Cairenn |
| 16:30.37 | Kaelten | close enough |
| 16:30.41 | MentalPower | lol |
| 16:31.02 | Cairenn | falls over, then grabs one of the pillows, tucks it under her head and goes to sleep |
| 16:31.07 | MentalPower | so conspiracy theory: pathing is taking forever so Blizzard can have the servers up before people finish patching :P |
| 16:31.08 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Kaelten -> http://pastebin.com || 5.0.x ToC: 50001 || #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting || Battletags: http://goo.gl/2bm7n || MoP Release Date 25 Sept 2012 || |
| 16:31.26 | Ressy | yeah Cairenn. I showed you where my sis lived, and you showed me about where you lived. :) |
| 16:31.29 | Unkle | Oh, look at that desmostration of power used for good. |
| 16:31.34 | MentalPower | s/pathing/patching/ |
| 16:32.50 | Cairenn | Ressy: heh, okay |
| 16:33.06 | Unkle | MentalPower -OR- I'm not saying aliens, but... ALIENS! |
| 16:33.29 | MentalPower | sure, why not |
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| 16:34.20 | nebula169 | it sits at 1/2% for like 20 minutes then its done |
| 16:34.57 | MentalPower | ZOMG its done! |
| 16:35.08 | MentalPower | it jumped from 11% to done in less than 5mins |
| 16:35.23 | MentalPower | after doing 0%-11% in about an hour |
| 16:35.27 | TC-Work | sounds like a guy |
| 16:37.04 | Ressy | snickers |
| 16:37.52 | nilyaK | milkyways |
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| 16:39.09 | nebula169 | hey, with an hour build up, i'd but that one in the win column |
| 16:39.09 | nebula169 | s/but/put/ |
| 16:39.14 | TC-Work | not at 11% |
| 16:39.36 | nebula169 | depends on your 11%, i suppose |
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| 16:41.26 | Torhal | hands MentalPower a tin-foil hat. |
| 16:42.48 | MentalPower | wears the tin-foil hat proudly! |
| 16:43.12 | Lopeppeppy | draws sparkly stars on the tin foil. It's gonna be a long long day. |
| 16:45.24 | MentalPower | lol |
| 16:46.35 | Lopeppeppy | I do these things only to support and help you. |
| 16:46.45 | Cairenn|afk | borrows Lopeppeppy's pen to draw sparkly stars on her pillow, then toddles off to bed. It's already been a long long day. |
| 16:46.45 | Lopeppeppy | Besides, I don't have any pipe cleaners to make antennae. |
| 16:47.00 | MentalPower | hmm… even with the min FPS set to 8, the login screen still eats a full core for lunch |
| 16:52.15 | foxlit | one would think that the FPS is irrelevant. |
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| 16:54.12 | MentalPower | so why is it eating a core? |
| 16:54.13 | Unkle | Login screens are supposed to be flashy and over-animated! |
| 16:54.35 | nebula169 | those leaves that blow across the screen are intense |
| 16:54.50 | durcyn | they're antialiased eight times each! |
| 16:54.51 | Torhal | MentalPower: SETI@Home |
| 16:54.55 | Esamynn | anyone feeling bored want to give my Gatherer release candidate a spin for a sanity check? |
| 16:55.25 | Vladinator | ~alert |
| 16:55.25 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 16:55.28 | Kraps | not enough free space? |
| 16:55.31 | Kraps | ! |
| 16:55.42 | Torhal | ~wowalert |
| 16:55.42 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 16:55.53 | Kraps | i have 35 GB! |
| 16:56.16 | Vladinator | purl is wrong |
| 16:56.27 | Torhal | ? |
| 16:56.38 | Vladinator | nvm, I meant, he is wrong if he thinks it's empty but he only links :P |
| 16:56.56 | Kraps | purl is a she |
| 16:57.06 | Vladinator | purl, are you male? |
| 16:57.14 | Torhal | ~cookie |
| 16:57.21 | Torhal | Sure. |
| 16:57.34 | durcyn | ~botsnack |
| 16:57.34 | purl | thanks, durcyn |
| 16:57.36 | Vladinator | purl, do you know your gender? |
| 16:57.36 | purl | yes, I know your gender. |
| 16:57.46 | Vladinator | :P |
| 16:57.50 | Lopeppeppy | Purl is a girl. |
| 16:57.55 | Vladinator | prove it |
| 16:58.18 | Ackis | Vladinator: she hardly listens to you, thinks she's always right, and can't drive |
| 16:58.26 | Lopeppeppy | *shrug* Prove I'm not one. It's just a "fun factoid" |
| 16:58.28 | durcyn | you have to palpitate the cloaca, Vladinator |
| 16:58.56 | durcyn | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19399375 |
| 16:58.59 | Vladinator | :P |
| 16:59.05 | bluspacecow | and she can't back down driveways. or stops for directions. |
| 16:59.19 | durcyn | just be glad you're not in Iran. |
| 16:59.33 | Lopeppeppy | Directions is a guy thing, bluspacecow. You're not helping. *poke* |
| 16:59.46 | bluspacecow | :P |
| 16:59.55 | Mr_Rabies | soooo |
| 16:59.58 | Kraps | yo, the launcher keeps telling me i have insufficient free space, what do |
| 17:00.03 | Mr_Rabies | no delay post yet |
| 17:00.08 | Ackis | bluspacecow: you're sexist |
| 17:00.09 | Maldivia | Kraps: delete some stuff :P |
| 17:00.14 | foxlit | <3 TeX! |
| 17:00.32 | Kraps | Maldivia, i have 40GB free, how could that not be enough :/ |
| 17:00.46 | Maldivia | Kraps: hmm, should be - on the drive WoW is installed on? |
| 17:00.49 | durcyn | Kraps: it's using scratch space in the shared user directory for bits of it |
| 17:01.22 | Kraps | what does that mean durcyn |
| 17:01.29 | nevcairiel | you need some space on C |
| 17:01.41 | Unkle | purl is ambi-sexual |
| 17:01.49 | durcyn | Kraps: C:\Users\Public\something, or /Users/Shared/Battle.net, depending on platform |
| 17:01.49 | Kraps | yes thats where i have 40gb |
| 17:02.08 | durcyn | either that or it's overflowing on a >2TiB partition |
| 17:02.08 | Unkle | kraps when was the last time you defragged? |
| 17:02.19 | Kraps | dunno |
| 17:02.25 | nevcairiel | the game shouldnt care about fragmentation |
| 17:02.29 | nevcairiel | it would just get terribly slow |
| 17:02.29 | Unkle | shouldn't. |
| 17:02.32 | Maldivia | durcyn: that's around 100mb, tops |
| 17:02.47 | Ackis | My wife just noticed that the description of her computer was "This computer should be in the kitchen" |
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| 17:02.59 | bluspacecow | uh oh |
| 17:03.36 | Esamynn | uh oh |
| 17:03.51 | Mr_Rabies | ruh roh, raggy |
| 17:03.51 | Ackis | brb gertting balls ripped off |
| 17:03.53 | Maldivia | Kraps: if you have fast enough internet speed, you can just reinstall :) |
| 17:04.03 | Mr_Rabies | enjoy, Ackis (???) |
| 17:04.11 | Unkle | So you're sleeping on the patio, with a kitche towel for a blanket. |
| 17:04.14 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 17:04.32 | Kraps | Maldivia, why? |
| 17:04.33 | Torhal | s/patio/kennel/ |
| 17:04.43 | Torhal | s/kitche towel/pomeranians/ |
| 17:04.48 | Maldivia | Kraps: delete and reinstall, that sohuld clear up some space :P |
| 17:04.57 | Kraps | oh come on |
| 17:05.07 | Torhal | formats Kraps. |
| 17:05.17 | Kraps | 6% fragmentation |
| 17:05.32 | bluspacecow | *defragments Torhal* |
| 17:05.35 | durcyn | Ackis: she was dumb enough to marry you |
| 17:05.41 | Torhal | lol |
| 17:06.10 | Ackis | lol |
| 17:06.38 | Kraps | is she really mad about that Ackis? |
| 17:06.43 | Lopeppeppy | I think she has extra life insurance on him in case of a rage-related death. |
| 17:07.12 | Ackis | Kraps: she called me an asshole and laughed |
| 17:07.52 | Torhal | Ackis: Just don't rename the machine to "skank" and you should be fine. |
| 17:07.54 | Esamynn | Lopeppeppy: does seem likely, doesn't it? |
| 17:08.03 | Kraps | you rascal |
| 17:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | curse client doesn't seem to be setup for 5.0 yet :| |
| 17:08.23 | Ackis | Torhal: skank is too highbrow for me |
| 17:08.30 | Torhal | Ackis: lol |
| 17:08.41 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: It is, for some files. They're looking at it |
| 17:08.51 | Lopeppeppy | I would, Esamynn. You can purchase just about any kind of insurance rider these days, why not that? |
| 17:09.03 | Mr_Rabies | okay, i understand it's a mad rush today Torhal, thanks :P |
| 17:09.04 | Esamynn | rofl |
| 17:09.38 | Mr_Rabies | i'd suggest bartender if you want something cool to look at in regards to whatever's going on |
| 17:09.39 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 17:09.48 | durcyn | i believe purchasing insurance on one's murder victims is generally poorly looked upon. |
| 17:09.52 | Kraps | 56gb didnt do it either |
| 17:09.57 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Can you give me an example or two, to perhaps expedite things? |
| 17:10.16 | Mr_Rabies | Bartender's got a 5.0.4 version, but it's still trying to only get the 4.3.4 version for some reason |
| 17:10.19 | Esamynn | anyone with access to the beta feeling bored enough to give my Gatherer release candidate a spin for a sanity check? |
| 17:10.31 | Vladinator | durcyn: how about employer making life insurance on the workers in case of death? :P |
| 17:10.50 | Vladinator | Esamynn: define "spin" and "sanity check" |
| 17:11.10 | durcyn | Vladinator: corporations are people. sociopaths, to be specific. |
| 17:11.16 | Esamynn | Vladinator: |
| 17:11.42 | Esamynn | Vladinator: I don't suppose you have a Gatherer SV file from live you can load? (basically I'm looking for a quick sanity of the basic features) |
| 17:11.49 | Vladinator | durcyn: ^_^ Esamynn: I got beta and can check it out but can't promisse a 100% cavity search |
| 17:12.13 | Esamynn | not looking for anything in depth |
| 17:12.24 | Esamynn | beta release here: http://gathereraddon.com/dl/Gatherer/ |
| 17:13.12 | Vladinator | let's see |
| 17:13.19 | Vladinator | my SV is only 75 kb hope it's enough :P |
| 17:13.37 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: 15-20 minutes, should show up |
| 17:13.58 | Esamynn | it's something, there is a db format conversion so I'd specifically want to know if it looks like your existing data shows up |
| 17:14.45 | Vladinator | one thing, minimap icon has no tooltip or hover texture overlay |
| 17:14.47 | farmbuyer | oh fark that was weird. My virtualbox icon got changed to the MoP launcher icon. I had brief visions of some freaky Linux+WoW hybrid operating system before the icon cache got fixed. |
| 17:14.58 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 17:15.17 | Esamynn | Vladinator: huh, it used to didn't it? |
| 17:15.21 | Esamynn | I wonder what happened to that |
| 17:15.34 | Torhal | farmbuyer: Did you defragment your bank slots? What happens if you tracert Pandaria? |
| 17:15.41 | Vladinator | Node Density report had white background (fixed itself when I moved the slider, the list is empty but slider could move too ;)) |
| 17:16.15 | farmbuyer | Torhal: /proc/kcore has been corrupted by the Old Gods. |
| 17:16.20 | Torhal | Oh noes! |
| 17:18.30 | Vladinator | looked fine so far otherwise |
| 17:18.39 | Esamynn | awesome, thanks for checking |
| 17:18.42 | Vladinator | but have someone else try it too :P |
| 17:18.46 | Vladinator | before making that beta into release |
| 17:18.48 | Esamynn | which beta server/faction are you on btw? |
| 17:18.56 | Vladinator | someone with more data than me :D maybe more recent too |
| 17:19.01 | Vladinator | ally |
| 17:19.01 | Esamynn | lol |
| 17:19.18 | Vladinator | was on A at mekkatorque |
| 17:19.46 | Esamynn | ahh you're off now, nvm then, was thinking of giving the sharing a quick whorl, but that's fine |
| 17:19.47 | Kraps | whats this mean http://gyazo.com/973cdb34c2020bd61daacfd4a3b35eac.png?1346173999 |
| 17:19.50 | Vladinator | >.< |
| 17:20.00 | Esamynn | Kraps: you're hosed |
| 17:20.09 | Vladinator | Kraps: they know, run! |
| 17:20.44 | Kraps | i need more than random adjectives >:( |
| 17:20.46 | Esamynn | Vladinator: honestly, I'm 95% sure of it, I just wanted to make sure it didn't immediately blow up for someone else |
| 17:21.03 | Vladinator | :D |
| 17:21.11 | nevcairiel | i'm sure it will |
| 17:21.13 | Esamynn | did you check for your old data? |
| 17:21.20 | Esamynn | and did you happen to gather anythig? ;) |
| 17:22.26 | Torhal | Heh. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0092OU8BQ |
| 17:22.55 | Vladinator | was just writing about that, I did, BUT here is the catch, it was empty with no nodes (my old SV) so it was also empty now, obviously. no didn't get to herb anything, I wanted to see if I could find an older SV in my backups to test, one with nodes. |
| 17:23.13 | Esamynn | d'oh |
| 17:23.21 | nevcairiel | Torhal: lol |
| 17:23.51 | Vladinator | didn't find an older SV >.< |
| 17:24.08 | Vladinator | Torhal is that fake? |
| 17:24.30 | Torhal | Vladinator: No…why would it be? |
| 17:24.41 | Vladinator | Because of the "luls" in chat. |
| 17:24.57 | Torhal | It's kinda "WTF?!?" is why. |
| 17:25.13 | Torhal | Totally unexpected, basically. |
| 17:25.16 | Vladinator | And because I figure it's easier to use curse.com since your account needs to be flagged and all. |
| 17:26.26 | Vladinator | Esamynn: is GatherMate based on Gatherer? |
| 17:26.33 | Torhal | No |
| 17:26.46 | Vladinator | Just checking, similarities. ^^ |
| 17:27.00 | Vladinator | It's like Grid and Grid2, I think 2 is a separate developed addon and such. |
| 17:27.15 | Torhal | GatherMate doesn't store some of the things Gatherer does, like how many times you've seen a node or who sent you the node on the AddOn channel |
| 17:27.21 | Fisker | heyh Torhal |
| 17:27.25 | Torhal | anti-hey Fisker |
| 17:27.28 | Fisker | oh ok |
| 17:27.30 | Torhal | lol |
| 17:27.50 | Torhal | Fisker: Why is Alram so mean sometimes? |
| 17:28.19 | Vladinator | ~shrug |
| 17:28.19 | purl | go. to. sleep. |
| 17:28.49 | Vladinator | Torhal I bet you a lot of money the AoE loot thing isn't fixed. |
| 17:29.06 | Torhal | Vladinator: They said probably 5.1 |
| 17:29.12 | Vladinator | \o/ |
| 17:29.19 | Torhal | Though there are still bugs from six years ago, so... |
| 17:29.23 | Vladinator | :D |
| 17:29.36 | Fisker | you anti-hey'd me Torhal |
| 17:29.37 | Fisker | sry |
| 17:30.00 | Vladinator | I can't imagine it's so hard to push a bugfix trough earlier than 5.1, I bet 5.1 is many months away... |
| 17:30.02 | Torhal | Fisker: You've given me so many heys over the years…figured I should negate a few before I asploded. |
| 17:30.15 | Fisker | too late |
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| 17:30.37 | Torhal | Nah, I'm wearing a tin-foil hat. |
| 17:33.03 | Vladinator | here is something to read while drinking a cup of tea http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5271504839 :P |
| 17:33.19 | MentalPower | oh, the forums are back up |
| 17:33.34 | MentalPower | hmm… not the wow ones |
| 17:33.36 | MentalPower | nm |
| 17:34.51 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: that post is full of BS |
| 17:34.59 | Vladinator | I still find it amusing :3 |
| 17:35.01 | nevcairiel | also, its old |
| 17:35.24 | Vladinator | you know, the old stuff are usually the good stuff :P |
| 17:36.41 | Vladinator | frostbite enchant on the demo looks nice for inferno but I haven't seen it, maybe exp? or maybe the proc % will be nerfed on inferno so it's unusable, wouldn't be surprised ^^ |
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| 17:37.34 | nevcairiel | i think they learned that artifiically nefing inferno is not good |
| 17:38.20 | Vladinator | you mean they will make the proc % be equal on any difficulty ,or? |
| 17:39.04 | nevcairiel | it might be slightly lower on inferno to compensate for gear inflation, but it wont be nerfed into uselessness |
| 17:39.17 | Esamynn | Vladinator: honestly, I've never actually looked at GatherMate at all |
| 17:39.32 | Vladinator | oh hai thar! ninja injection of message :D |
| 17:40.41 | Esamynn | about all I know is that Gatherer has been around far longer |
| 17:40.47 | Vladinator | I know |
| 17:41.31 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/graph.png << well, that plan went horribly wrong |
| 17:41.59 | Vladinator | depends on your objective with said formula, doesn't it? |
| 17:42.36 | farmbuyer | it looks like the objective was to "break all the maths" |
| 17:43.11 | foxlit | http://www.go-hero.net/i/wmd-graph.png |
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| 17:44.54 | foxlit | The point is really to draw as few points as is required to communicate the shape of the graph. I thought "hey, we can just filter on distance!" and that was a disaster. |
| 17:45.30 | nevcairiel | filter on the vertical distance of the spots |
| 17:46.02 | nevcairiel | or well |
| 17:46.16 | nevcairiel | on both horizontal and vertical, if only one changes dont need to draw one |
| 17:46.22 | nevcairiel | but as soon as both start changing, bad |
| 17:48.18 | Vladinator | purl, do you know how to fix foxlit's problem? |
| 17:48.18 | purl | yes, I know how to fix foxlit's problem. |
| 17:48.24 | Mihau | Oh look, up time delayed, who would have ever guessed. |
| 17:48.27 | farmbuyer | bah, realm booting pushed back by 2 hours |
| 17:48.46 | nevcairiel | If you didnt plan for at least 6 hours extra, you're a fool |
| 17:48.55 | Esamynn | ^ |
| 17:49.00 | Esamynn | nevcairiel: only 6? :P |
| 17:49.07 | farmbuyer | come on, blizzard, I don't even need the full 3-D game world, just a text-based telnet interface would be enough to test these changes... |
| 17:49.08 | Mihau | Authentication servers are up though. |
| 17:49.16 | nevcairiel | maybe its more for the US, we already get the pre-tested patch on EU |
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| 17:49.38 | Esamynn | as an author I plan for exactly their schedule |
| 17:49.47 | Esamynn | as a player, I count on patch days being a wash |
| 17:49.54 | nevcairiel | as someone with a job, i hope its done when i get home :P |
| 17:50.07 | Esamynn | that too |
| 17:50.10 | nevcairiel | (which is far over their set deadline) |
| 17:50.34 | Mihau | nevcairiel: As someone with a job related to fixing stuff for WoW related web sites I would like it to be up so I go home on time. D: |
| 17:50.52 | nevcairiel | why do you care about the game when you do websites |
| 17:51.09 | Mihau | nevcairiel: Armory API. |
| 17:51.23 | nevcairiel | what does the game have to do with the API? |
| 17:51.32 | Yssaril | farmbuyer: test on beta realm? |
| 17:51.53 | Mihau | We can see the updated API information, but we need to get into game to assign talents to see how they change in the API JSON. |
| 17:52.52 | farmbuyer | Yssaril: it works on beta, but I always assume that the most recent N+1 fixes that blizzard applied to beta never made it over to the live release :-\ |
| 17:53.33 | farmbuyer | so now I'll go run errands instead :-) |
| 17:53.37 | nevcairiel | Mihau: the blue post with an example json isn't enough? :d |
| 17:54.22 | Mihau | nevcairiel: It does not match what we are seeing. |
| 17:54.35 | nevcairiel | maybe its not updated yet :P |
| 17:55.08 | Mihau | nevcairiel: It is, just slightly different it seems. We are already an estimated 90% updated on our for code. We just have to test, make fixes, and deploy. |
| 17:55.35 | Vladinator | would you use CSS or images to create round corners? |
| 17:55.40 | bluspacecow | ~wowlalert |
| 17:55.40 | Mihau | CSS |
| 17:55.48 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 17:55.48 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 17:55.50 | Neffi | CSS unless legacy support matters |
| 17:55.58 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: css, screw legacy support |
| 17:56.01 | Mihau | Vladinator: border-radius: 6px; |
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| 17:56.48 | Mihau | border-radius: topLeft, topRight, bottomRight, bottomLeft; I think, been a while since I had to edit one. :P |
| 17:57.30 | Neffi | http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_border-radius.asp |
| 17:57.32 | Jamash | maintenance window extended, shocker |
| 17:57.45 | Neffi | Optimizing: 2%. =( |
| 17:57.47 | Neffi | I need an SSD |
| 17:58.06 | Jamash | it goes super super slow from 1% to 3% and then SPROING |
| 17:58.17 | End_ | I also go SPROING |
| 17:58.17 | Jamash | assuming you have the preload |
| 17:58.27 | bluspacecow | haha jamash |
| 17:58.37 | Mihau | I want a SSD too. D: |
| 17:58.46 | nevcairiel | i have one! |
| 17:58.47 | bluspacecow | mine went ZOMGWTFBBQSUPERSAIYANITSOVER9000 |
| 17:58.49 | nevcairiel | i kinda want a new one |
| 17:58.53 | bluspacecow | way better then "Sproing" |
| 17:58.58 | Neffi | I would give up my left nut for a Samsung 830 SSD =| |
| 17:59.08 | Neffi | Or maybe 4 of them in RAID0. My nut is worth a lot. |
| 17:59.42 | nevcairiel | thats not really worth much, the big boost comes from getting one, raiding them is just for e-peen numbers |
| 17:59.58 | Neffi | I know =3 |
| 18:00.08 | Fisker | my penis is huge |
| 18:00.48 | Neffi | purl, what is Fisker's penis? |
| 18:00.48 | purl | [fisker's penis] huge |
| 18:01.23 | pompy1 | :O |
| 18:01.37 | Mihau | Neffi: One of these? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147165 |
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| 18:01.55 | Neffi | Yup |
| 18:02.16 | Neffi | They got all the goodies. 8-channel interface, toggle NAND, tri-core Cortex-A9 controller, plenty of cache. |
| 18:02.16 | Mihau | Over $1 a gigabyte. Daaaaaaamn. |
| 18:02.21 | Neffi | And no shitty Sandforce |
| 18:02.46 | Neffi | Yeah it is toggle NAND and other high-grade components. It ain't just another SSD. The 830 is probably the best thing on the market righ tnow. |
| 18:03.04 | Mihau | I... have no idea. I just want to give a speed boost to my five year old Mac Pro. ._. |
| 18:03.23 | nevcairiel | sadly there is no clear #1 ssd |
| 18:03.38 | nevcairiel | there is always different workloads where different ssds are better |
| 18:03.54 | Neffi | Except if they use SandForce. Better means nothing if it fails. lol |
| 18:04.07 | nevcairiel | sandforce is ok now after intel fixed it |
| 18:04.39 | Neffi | Mihau: Any old SSD will do. They're pretty much all faster than any HDD in raw throughput, but the real speedup comes from access times (esp random accesses). |
| 18:04.54 | nevcairiel | i still think its funny that all these companies couldnt get it working, then intel gets interested in a sandforce ssd and fixes the issues :p |
| 18:04.58 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.08 | Neffi | But SandForce compresses data to achieve high throughput. It's not very good on uncompressable data, which for a desktop workload represents the vast majority of large files anyway. |
| 18:05.27 | nevcairiel | foxlit: the blue one looks good |
| 18:05.37 | foxlit | the blue one is cheating. |
| 18:05.44 | Neffi | Even Intel controllers, which aim for reliability and not speed, beat SandForce with uncompressable data |
| 18:06.48 | nevcairiel | intel hasnt really build any modern consumer ssd on their own controller anymore |
| 18:07.35 | Neffi | I'm talking about the last iteration =| |
| 18:07.42 | Mihau | Ooohhh, it supports full encryption too. |
| 18:08.17 | Neffi | Doesn't your kernel do that already? |
| 18:08.26 | nevcairiel | ssds basically encrypt data anyway, because randomized bits ensure better nand usage |
| 18:09.00 | Mihau | Neffi: Filevault 2. I wonder if it would be faster on disk or at kernel. |
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| 18:10.12 | Neffi | Dunno which OS you're using. GELI on FreeBSD can achieve above native speed if your CPU supports AES-NI, so you sacrifice no performance. |
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| 18:11.24 | Mihau | Mac OS 10.7 |
| 18:11.47 | nevcairiel | using that feature in the disc doesnt hurt performance a bit |
| 18:11.54 | nevcairiel | they just have a dedicated circuit for AES |
| 18:12.18 | Neffi | Mihau: Being that OS X pulls in a lot of FreeBSD code, I wonder if it has GEOM too? |
| 18:12.20 | nevcairiel | Like i said, they need to scramble the data for better storage in the NAND |
| 18:12.30 | Neffi | You may very well be able to use GELI on OS X |
| 18:12.37 | Mihau | shrugs! |
| 18:12.47 | Mihau | Not sure I can justify that much for a SSD. |
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| 18:13.18 | nevcairiel | when i got the ssd, it was the most expensive part in my pc :p |
| 18:13.20 | Neffi | Unless you're doing databases, get any old SSD. The access times is the biggest benefit. |
| 18:13.23 | nevcairiel | kinda weird, but hey |
| 18:13.31 | Neffi | Not like you're actually going to use 500 MB/s 99% of the time |
| 18:14.45 | foxlit | is currently using the 500MB/s. |
| 18:15.04 | foxlit | well, I would be, but I'm sure the OS cached those 3GB of noise a long long time ago. |
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| 18:16.10 | Vladinator | re earlier, I know how css works, but curious if it's best to use it or to fallback to oldschool images lol. thing is css is so weird, ton of errors across browsers just to make it look the same... like one rule written 10 ways -_- |
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| 18:16.32 | Neffi | Any modern browser should support CSS exactly the same |
| 18:16.33 | Vladinator | border-radius is fine but you got the other engines that got their own versions of it that you gotta use to make sure you cover them all :P |
| 18:16.34 | Neffi | That includes IE |
| 18:16.45 | Neffi | Unless you're aiming to support IE6 and IE7, always use CSS |
| 18:16.59 | Neffi | Every engine support border-radius IIRC |
| 18:17.06 | Neffi | The specific versions are legacy |
| 18:17.12 | Neffi | From before it was supported |
| 18:17.37 | Vladinator | youtube alone uses -moz-box-shadow, filter, -moz-border-radius and some more that issue warnings on my monitor :P |
| 18:17.53 | Vladinator | invalid css to my firefox ^^ but they got it there to support other browsers, why else? |
| 18:18.03 | Torhal | Mihau: Just raise rent/ |
| 18:18.06 | Torhal | You'll be fine. |
| 18:18.07 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:18.17 | Neffi | Vladinator: Try using just the standard CSS and test it. |
| 18:18.19 | Vladinator | like "*zoom:1" invalid css just so it's parsed by some browser engines and not others :P |
| 18:18.29 | nevcairiel | IE8 also doesnt do CSS3 round corners yet, iirc |
| 18:18.34 | Mihau | MentalPower: Your rent for next month is-*Puts pinkie to mouth.*-ONE BILLION DOLLARS. |
| 18:18.53 | Vladinator | I am just a bit annoyed we got all these "-" prefixed syntaxes :/ |
| 18:19.13 | Neffi | nevcairiel: I consider any version of IE to be legacy, 'cause they haven't gotten around to downloading another browser. But AFAIK IE9 does support it. And I know IE10 will. |
| 18:19.16 | nevcairiel | thats just non-standard extensions :p |
| 18:19.22 | nevcairiel | Neffi: yes 9 does |
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| 18:20.03 | MentalPower | scrolls up |
| 18:20.07 | MentalPower | Mihau: no! |
| 18:20.16 | Mihau | MentalPower: See Torhal's line. |
| 18:20.30 | MentalPower | already read ot |
| 18:20.35 | MentalPower | s/ot/it/ |
| 18:20.51 | Torhal | Alternately, MentalPower, you could just buy Mihau the SSD. |
| 18:20.55 | Torhal | Much cheaper. |
| 18:21.42 | MentalPower | probably |
| 18:22.06 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.06 | Mihau | But but, I want one billion dollars! |
| 18:22.16 | MentalPower | but that also means him raging in a few months because his macpro is slow again (mac doesn't do TRIM with non-apple SSDs) |
| 18:23.01 | Mihau | MentalPower: wat |
| 18:23.17 | Mihau | MentalPower: Actually, it probably will not do it at all with mine. XD |
| 18:23.30 | MentalPower | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM |
| 18:23.52 | Mihau | I know what TRIM is. |
| 18:24.09 | Mihau | Hmm, might be a work around for it. |
| 18:24.10 | MentalPower | 10.6.8 or higher |
| 18:24.19 | Vladinator | no you don't, otherwise you'd write "trim" since it's not an acronym, like lua |
| 18:24.21 | MentalPower | and yes, you can install a kext for it |
| 18:24.28 | Vladinator | Mihau: :3 |
| 18:24.47 | MentalPower | Vladinator: its a command, and that's how you write it |
| 18:24.48 | MentalPower | also troll |
| 18:24.55 | Mihau | @_@ |
| 18:25.01 | Vladinator | I was just poking Mihau for fun! |
| 18:25.04 | Mihau | I like my LUA. Pbbbbbtttt |
| 18:25.11 | nevcairiel | Vladinator: but its called TRIM, just because its all uppercase doesnt mean its an acronym |
| 18:25.25 | Mihau | How to troll WoW UI developers. *Breaths in.* LUA |
| 18:25.30 | nevcairiel | ATA commands are just always spelld uppercased :P |
| 18:25.31 | Fisker | LUA's Used as an Acronym |
| 18:26.44 | Vladinator | didn't know ATA commands are written in capitals, don't use ATA :( |
| 18:27.07 | nevcairiel | everyone uses ATA in their PC! |
| 18:27.17 | nevcairiel | unless you have SCSI of course |
| 18:27.40 | Vladinator | ah wait, I upgraded to ATA earlier, with my "new" machine, nvm :P |
| 18:28.07 | Vladinator | purl, what is TRIM? |
| 18:28.08 | purl | Vladinator: I think you lost me on that one |
| 18:28.08 | nevcairiel | (IDE i also ATA, its just PATA) |
| 18:28.11 | Vladinator | :3 |
| 18:28.33 | Mihau | http://www.groths.org/?page_id=322 |
| 18:28.52 | Vladinator | I prefered to say IDE rather than ATA, easier to distinguish |
| 18:29.11 | pompy1 | http://store.steampowered.com/app/208600 neat |
| 18:29.44 | Vladinator | what does S.M.A.R.T. stand for? |
| 18:30.01 | Fisker | something smart |
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| 18:30.26 | pompy1 | ~wiki s.m.a.r.t |
| 18:30.36 | Mihau | Something not really all that smart. "SMART has detected your hard drive is dead!" Thanks, I thought it was supposed to warn about IMPENDING failures. ._. |
| 18:30.45 | Vladinator | americans and their acronyms :P |
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| 18:32.02 | bluspacecow | ~fiskeralert |
| 18:32.04 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 18:32.05 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
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| 18:35.09 | Neffi-phone | Anyone recommend an Android U |
| 18:35.16 | Neffi-phone | Irc client |
| 18:35.23 | Neffi-phone | fuck tbis phone sucks |
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| 18:38.41 | Esamynn|work | Neffi-phone: I've used DaraIRC in the past, had no real issues with it |
| 18:38.42 | bluspacecow | I use colloquy myself. |
| 18:38.50 | bluspacecow | not sure if it has an android client |
| 18:39.08 | bluspacecow | and its seriously annoying how it does not attach time/date stamps to every message |
| 18:40.24 | kd3 | yay, rain |
| 18:40.28 | Neffi-phone | Yaaic is quite nice, except for the wasted screen estate for the title bar |
| 18:40.42 | Neffi-phone | Dara looks ok |
| 18:40.54 | kd3 | I use AndChat |
| 18:41.08 | Neffi-phone | I like Yaaic more than And |
| 18:41.21 | Neffi-phone | Mo |
| 18:41.39 | Neffi-phone | Many options, and ICS-pretty |
| 18:43.02 | Fisker | use a real irc client bluspacecow |
| 18:47.18 | Esamynn|work | interesting, I see downloads happening from wowi for my stuff, but no downloads for newly updated files on Curse, do I remember someone saying the Curse client is having minor difficulties? |
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| 18:47.37 | nevcairiel | download stats are not in realtime on curse |
| 18:47.47 | Neffi | I guess HTC phones don't age well |
| 18:47.51 | Shadowed | they haven't updated in like 12 hours |
| 18:47.55 | Neffi | 10 feet from the AP and wifi drops |
| 18:48.02 | Shadowed | Torhal update faster god |
| 18:48.03 | Shadowed | you fail |
| 18:48.28 | nevcairiel | also, there was/is an issue that some 5.0 addons might not be distributed by the curse client yet |
| 18:48.33 | nevcairiel | they blocked them too good :p |
| 18:48.41 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 18:49.00 | Shadowed | Torhal's fault |
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| 18:49.02 | Esamynn|work | Shadowed: 12 hours is nothing :P |
| 18:49.04 | nevcairiel | clearly |
| 18:49.16 | Esamynn|work | he's left the reverse relationships broken for years! |
| 18:49.30 | Esamynn|work | s/broken/not updated/ |
| 18:49.30 | nevcairiel | i think that feature vanished for good now |
| 18:50.11 | Torhal | Note to self: Remove reverse relationships. |
| 18:50.26 | nevcairiel | might as well, they dont work properly |
| 18:50.28 | nevcairiel | if at all |
| 18:50.34 | Torhal | They've been broken for two years |
| 18:50.37 | Esamynn|work | ^ |
| 18:50.44 | Torhal | Higher-priority shit keeps happening, unfortunately |
| 18:50.46 | Dark_Elf | remove ace2 lol |
| 18:50.52 | Esamynn|work | obviously I need to scream louder :P |
| 18:50.58 | Torhal | Dark_Elf: Repo is locked down, it's not getting any more updates. |
| 18:51.04 | Torhal | prencher: ^ |
| 18:51.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:51.15 | Dark_Elf | i know but kill it lol |
| 18:51.16 | Neffi | Torhal: Somebody should fork Ace2 just for shits and giggles |
| 18:51.33 | Torhal | A few people have "updated" it in branches. |
| 18:51.37 | Esamynn|work | ~whaleslap Neffi |
| 18:51.37 | purl | ACTION beats Neffi upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:51.40 | Torhal | But they never hit the main sites. |
| 18:51.43 | Torhal | Nor can they |
| 18:51.47 | nevcairiel | i think they gave up now |
| 18:51.52 | Torhal | I fucking hope so. |
| 18:51.55 | nevcairiel | havent seen anything for a while |
| 18:51.57 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 18:52.45 | Neffi | Now can they? Would WoWI block me from uploading my own fork? |
| 18:52.48 | Neffi | Nor* |
| 18:53.08 | Torhal | I'd say yes. |
| 18:53.13 | Torhal | License. |
| 18:53.16 | nevcairiel | you cant use the name, blocked by license |
| 18:53.23 | nevcairiel | you're free to rename it and do wtf with it |
| 18:53.28 | Torhal | But lol |
| 18:53.29 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:53.32 | nevcairiel | but you cant advertise with the name Ace2 |
| 18:53.35 | nevcairiel | so yeah |
| 18:53.38 | nevcairiel | no-one would know :p |
| 18:53.39 | Neffi | AceToo |
| 18:53.40 | TC-Work | Neffi: quassel |
| 18:53.44 | TC-Work | works on android |
| 18:54.01 | nevcairiel | I use the quassel android client as well, but thats only useful when you use quassel on the PC too :) |
| 18:54.11 | TC-Work | yes, which is the whole point |
| 18:54.27 | Neffi | I'll stick to HexChat on the PC |
| 18:54.39 | TC-Work | Quassel > * as far as i have found |
| 18:54.43 | Neffi | And maybe fork Yaaic on Android, 'cause I do like it more than the alternatives |
| 18:54.51 | Neffi | Just gotta remove the title bar |
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| 19:04.40 | Esamynn|work | sooo, anyone started a betting pool on how much longer the maintenance will run for? |
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| 19:05.03 | kd3 | I just started the "optimization" bit ~15 minutes ago and I'm still sitting at 0% |
| 19:05.07 | kd3 | it can take as long as it wants |
| 19:05.09 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 19:05.09 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 19:05.28 | TC-Work | kd3: from what i have been seeing in channel, thats normal |
| 19:05.32 | Neffi | kd3: They were right, once it hits 3% it will finish in about a minute. |
| 19:05.32 | kd3 | also, heh. and entirely too true: "A mathematician, a physicist and an engineer are asked to measure the volume of a little red ball. The mathematician measures the diameter and calculates the volume. The physicist drops the ball into a tank full of water, and measures how much water poured out. The engineer looks up the volume in the Catalog of Little Red Balls." |
| 19:05.33 | Neffi | Doesn't take long |
| 19:06.10 | Ressy | I was at 0% for 45 mins |
| 19:06.21 | Ressy | Like I'm telling everyone on TS. Its normal. |
| 19:06.40 | Neffi | The philospher spends years contemplating the existence of the red ball, before deciding that the question is meaningless |
| 19:10.27 | Kraps | open it as admin |
| 19:10.35 | kd3 | and 100mb left to download? grr |
| 19:10.45 | Dagmar | So we're patching to 5.0.4 on public today? |
| 19:10.50 | Dagmar | *confusion* |
| 19:10.55 | kd3 | yes |
| 19:13.11 | Kraps | helloooooo mcflyyyyyyyy |
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| 19:24.22 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.49 | Neffi | It sits a while at 0% |
| 19:24.54 | Neffi | Leave it |
| 19:24.55 | Neffi | When it hits 3%, it shoots up |
| 19:25.02 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.09 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.29 | schnoggo | Guest98545: I don't think the optimization even needs an internet connection. Mine sat at 5% for 40 minutes, then flew through the rest. |
| 19:25.53 | Unkle | the most important phrase today is "patience grasshopper." Followed by "When you can catch a fly with chopsticks, you will be ready to walk Azeroth." |
| 19:25.58 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.02 | bluspacecow | ~wowalert |
| 19:26.02 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 19:26.21 | schnoggo | But no playing until the realms come up, Guest98545 :) |
| 19:26.37 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.44 | TC-Work | so the permissions i have on a folder are 640 and files created inside as root are 640. I set it to 2640 and now anything created in the folder are 644. Any ideas? |
| 19:27.59 | bluspacecow | ponies |
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| 19:28.18 | Dagmar | TC-Work: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:28.21 | TC-Work | Is a great idea...for 12 year old girls |
| 19:28.30 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.43 | Guest98545 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.48 | Dagmar | TC-Work: Sgid is only going to affect group permissions. My suspicion is that you're trying to have the newly-created files be group-writeable, right? |
| 19:29.07 | TC-Work | Dagmar: yes, i want all the new files to be owned by apache |
| 19:29.09 | Dagmar | If that's the case you need to change your umask from 022 to 002. |
| 19:29.12 | TC-Work | it's pissing me off |
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| 19:29.19 | Dagmar | Oh, you can only do sgid. |
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| 19:29.33 | Dagmar | Ther'es no way to make the files owned by a different user. File giveaways are notoriously problematic. |
| 19:29.53 | TC-Work | except 2640 works |
| 19:29.58 | TC-Work | and all files created are root:apache |
| 19:30.09 | TC-Work | with the exeption of being 644 |
| 19:30.12 | Dagmar | Yeah, group-owned. |
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| 19:30.21 | Dagmar | English fucking breaks. |
| 19:30.34 | alestane | offers Peppy soup. |
| 19:30.48 | Dagmar | If you want them to be 664 you have to change the umask of the process doing the writing |
| 19:31.04 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.07 | TC-Work | i want them to be 640 |
| 19:31.19 | Dagmar | Ah, set umask to 027 then |
| 19:31.36 | TC-Work | goes to look up umask |
| 19:31.37 | Dagmar | Umask is basically a filter against the default file creation mode, which is 0777 |
| 19:31.43 | Lopeppeppy | Guinness cheese soup or GTFO, alestane! :) |
| 19:31.44 | bluspacecow | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6412103544 |
| 19:31.48 | bluspacecow | might be useful here |
| 19:32.21 | Dagmar | TC-Work: I dunno if there's a thing in apache to do it, but you should easily be able to set the umask of the process in it's init script |
| 19:32.35 | TC-Work | Dagmar: root (me) is creating the files |
| 19:32.43 | TC-Work | i really dont want to make a global change like that |
| 19:32.45 | Dagmar | That might cause other issues elsewhere tho (if something expects to be creating world-readable files) |
| 19:32.56 | alestane | Yes, Lopeppeppy, I know now what to make for you when you come visit. |
| 19:33.04 | TC-Work | ok, I'll just live with it then, thanks Dagmar |
| 19:33.10 | Dagmar | k. No problem |
| 19:33.16 | alestane | Sounds like you're not so much into the stuffed peppers. |
| 19:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not even sure I'll *like* it, alestane. It just sounds good. |
| 19:34.33 | alestane | The Guiness soup? You linked it to me and you've never had it? |
| 19:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | Nev-ar. |
| 19:34.46 | alestane | We will have to correct that, then. |
| 19:34.49 | Lopeppeppy | Liam doesn't cook anywhere near me, and he's the chef of record. |
| 19:34.59 | Dagmar | I don't think the shot glass is going to properly sink to the bottom of the soup |
| 19:35.43 | Kraps | is this a good idea http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6412423650#6 |
| 19:36.32 | Dagmar | Maybe |
| 19:36.40 | Lopeppeppy | Bad Idea Bear says yes, go for it. |
| 19:36.46 | Dagmar | It all depends on how the launcher is coming to the conclusion about how much free space is there |
| 19:37.04 | Dagmar | It sounds from his description like it's blindly checking C:\ |
| 19:37.24 | alestane | Well, gotta go talk to financial aid people. |
| 19:37.28 | Dagmar | Not a _great_ thing to be doing, but trying to read a path to it's root on windows is a fucking pain |
| 19:38.15 | Dagmar | What will be epic hilarity is if this guy has a SSD as his boot drive |
| 19:38.35 | Unkle | mmmm... SSD booting |
| 19:39.06 | Jamash | oh snap I'm cited as a reliable source on curseforge.com |
| 19:39.28 | Unkle | Torhal get on that. |
| 19:39.29 | nevcairiel | reliable on what |
| 19:39.40 | Jamash | the ToC number for 5.0.4 |
| 19:39.47 | End_ | heh |
| 19:39.51 | Shadowed | did Curse client fuckup their updater again |
| 19:40.00 | Shadowed | because I now have 2 curse client reports saying an addon won't work without any other info |
| 19:40.05 | Shadowed | so, I'm assuming this is Torhal's fault |
| 19:40.11 | End_ | always |
| 19:40.13 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: possibly EU people |
| 19:40.22 | nevcairiel | CC now allows 5.0 versions again |
| 19:40.30 | Shadowed | it's a global enable? |
| 19:40.32 | Shadowed | that would do it |
| 19:41.06 | Torhal | Shadowed: It is my fault, because I unflagged 5.0.4 as "Development" so the client would actually work for the folks who want their 5.0.4 stuff. |
| 19:41.18 | Torhal | Weird EU folks should know better by now. |
| 19:41.22 | nevcairiel | i turned off tickets on wowace to avoid the spam of EU people complaining i broke their interface |
| 19:41.29 | nevcairiel | need to remember to turn it back on again |
| 19:41.36 | Shadowed | I wish I could turn off CC ticket reports |
| 19:41.40 | Shadowed | I have never gotten a non-terrible one from it |
| 19:41.43 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:41.53 | Shadowed | why does it even say what OS they are running |
| 19:41.57 | Torhal | Shadowed: Supposedly there's an actual system in the works instead of fire-and-forget. |
| 19:42.00 | nevcairiel | short of that i just temporarily disabled it completly after i got 5 reports |
| 19:42.06 | Dagmar | We'll get to dance around and taunt them with laughing cries of "Well, I guess you should have spent a little more of yer parent's money and bought the 32Gb SSD shouldn't ya!" |
| 19:42.17 | Shadowed | Torhal and hell will freeze over too |
| 19:42.18 | Shadowed | :> |
| 19:42.30 | Torhal | Unkle: BTW - get on what? SSD booting? WHat the hell do you think I do for a living?!? :) |
| 19:42.39 | Shadowed | problem with completely disabling wowace nevcairiel is it's still kind of useful for tickets |
| 19:42.43 | Unkle | Hell did freeze over. Why do you think we have climate change? |
| 19:42.44 | Shadowed | if there are any unknown issues that popup |
| 19:42.50 | Dagmar | Shadowed: So if the word "Vista" appears you can go... "It's Vista." |
| 19:43.04 | nevcairiel | Shadowed: i can live without it until i wake up tomorrow and turn it back on |
| 19:43.08 | Shadowed | one says windows nt which can't be right |
| 19:43.27 | Lopeppeppy | You let Jamash be a reliable source on curseforge, Torhal. |
| 19:43.28 | nevcairiel | I think it says NT 6.1 for 7 |
| 19:43.31 | Kaylin | win NT version what? |
| 19:43.31 | Shadowed | oh |
| 19:44.30 | Unkle | What Lopeppeppy said, Torhal |
| 19:44.35 | Kaylin | 5.1 is XP, 6.1 is 7, idk what vista is |
| 19:44.39 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Nope, that would be Kaelten |
| 19:45.05 | Unkle | Yeah, but he bought drinks last time, so... you're on the hotseat. |
| 19:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, tell that to Unkle of the Not Paying Attention Span. I'm just the translator for his brain meats. |
| 19:45.44 | nevcairiel | Kaylin: 6.0 |
| 19:45.45 | Unkle | Aww Lopeppeppy I pay attention to the critical things... |
| 19:45.50 | Kaylin | ah okay |
| 19:45.55 | Dagmar | 6.0, which is how you know 7 was a bugfix |
| 19:46.02 | Kaylin | :P |
| 19:46.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah yeah, but where are you gonna get a pair of rubber knickers at a time like this, Unkle? |
| 19:46.17 | Dagmar | Windows 8 will be 7 |
| 19:46.20 | Dagmar | yay |
| 19:46.26 | Kaylin | windows 9 will be 7.1 ... |
| 19:46.28 | Kaylin | :P |
| 19:47.18 | Unkle | Lopeppeppy - I don't need rubber knickers. But any time you want to wear latex you give me a call. ;) |
| 19:47.19 | nevcairiel | windows 8 is actually 6.2 |
| 19:47.31 | Dagmar | lol |
| 19:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | Shite doesn't breathe, Unkle. |
| 19:48.07 | Unkle | Yes, I know. |
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| 19:48.37 | Jamash | More like windows 8/0 |
| 19:48.50 | kd3 | yay 0-line diff from beta-live 16016 |
| 19:48.53 | Kraps | how much wow is too much http://i.imgur.com/lCYUd.jpg |
| 19:48.54 | Jamash | or maybe windows 0/0 |
| 19:49.09 | Lopeppeppy | you crazy, Unkle. YOU wear it, and I'll bury you nice. |
| 19:49.15 | Jamash | Kraps: it's over... one hundred percent! |
| 19:49.27 | Jamash | lua> 0/0 |
| 19:49.28 | lua_bot | Jamash: -nan |
| 19:49.36 | Jamash | minus nan? |
| 19:49.42 | Jamash | wut |
| 19:49.51 | Dagmar | Kraps: Shhh! Don't let them know or they'll take it all back! |
| 19:49.57 | Kaylin | lua> -0/0 |
| 19:49.57 | lua_bot | Kaylin: -nan |
| 19:50.00 | Kaylin | O_O |
| 19:50.08 | Kraps | its from the forum, not mine :p |
| 19:50.09 | Neffi | lua> (0/0)<=0 |
| 19:50.09 | lua_bot | Neffi: false |
| 19:50.16 | End_ | lua> (-0/0)*(-0/0) |
| 19:50.16 | lua_bot | End_: -nan |
| 19:50.24 | End_ | not that I'm surprised |
| 19:51.02 | Jamash | wowlua gives -1.#IND |
| 19:51.10 | Jamash | shrugs. |
| 19:51.23 | Neffi | lua> return ('%d'):format(0/0) |
| 19:51.25 | lua_bot | Neffi: -2147483648 |
| 19:51.27 | Neffi | lua> return ('%s'):format(0/0) |
| 19:51.29 | lua_bot | Neffi: -nan |
| 19:51.38 | Neffi | Well WoW gives 1.#IND |
| 19:51.39 | End_ | I think nan is a certain set of bits in the exponent? (like they are all set?) |
| 19:51.54 | Neffi | lua> tostring(0/0) |
| 19:51.55 | lua_bot | Neffi: -nan |
| 19:52.07 | Kaylin | afk going home |
| 19:52.10 | kd3 | emails out. |
| 19:52.16 | Neffi | lua> ''..(0/0) |
| 19:52.17 | lua_bot | Neffi: -nan |
| 19:52.18 | End_ | biased exponent = all 1 bits |
| 19:52.19 | kd3 | before the realms come back up. woo |
| 19:52.22 | End_ | for NaN |
| 19:52.30 | End_ | fraction can't be 0 and sign can be anything |
| 19:53.33 | Arrowmaster | bah i just got booted off XBL which forced my game to back me out to the main menu because a new system update is available |
| 19:54.47 | Unkle | first world console gamer problem? |
| 19:54.51 | Stanzilla | console nazis |
| 19:56.00 | AcidWeb | Arrowmaster: Sounds like GW2 patch system ;p |
| 19:56.51 | mckenziemc | sigh |
| 19:57.14 | mckenziemc | i started wow's launcher before i went to sleep so it could work while i slept, but it's been waiting on a UAC prompt |
| 19:57.34 | Neffi | LOL |
| 19:58.04 | Lopeppeppy | ... oh dear, mckenziemc. |
| 19:58.11 | mckenziemc | :( |
| 19:58.33 | Lopeppeppy | Windoze. Do not doze while using. |
| 19:59.06 | End_ | winsleep |
| 19:59.19 | mckenziemc | i had a feeling it was going to get stuck on *something* |
| 19:59.23 | End_ | winwakeupandmakesomebaconandeggs |
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| 19:59.28 | mckenziemc | but i needed sleep :( |
| 20:03.42 | nevcairiel | kd3: your diffstat has the weirdest line breaks in it |
| 20:03.56 | kd3 | blame gmail |
| 20:04.36 | Kraps | shouldnta stopped the "downloading updated tools" process :/ |
| 20:04.50 | Kraps | iz dum |
| 20:05.13 | Kraps | that fix worked |
| 20:05.16 | Torhal | reinstalls Kraps. |
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| 20:10.34 | Kraps | how long should "downloading updated tools" take |
| 20:11.27 | Mihau | A minute or two. |
| 20:12.12 | MentalPower | ~wowalert |
| 20:12.12 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 20:13.00 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.16 | MentalPower | "Working as intended" |
| 20:15.49 | Jamash | We will be extending the regularly scheduled maintenance until approximately 2:00 p.m. PDT. |
| 20:16.31 | bluspacecow | how long away is that ? |
| 20:16.37 | mckenziemc | 45 MINUTES |
| 20:17.05 | Kraps | adobe, dont get all buddy-buddy with me and ask me to rate my download experience |
| 20:17.32 | mckenziemc | lolol |
| 20:19.35 | Dewin | Apparently I managed to get the patcher to ignore my preload data. *sigh at 12GB download* |
| 20:19.52 | mckenziemc | D: |
| 20:20.40 | Dewin | Patch aborted due to insufficient space on the SSD (after I freed up the 5GB it claimed it needed). So I copied it to the other drive, tried patching there, it started a 6GB download. I discovered it didn't copy the tempmig folder due to symlinkery, fixed that, 12 GB download. What? |
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| 20:21.46 | Jamash | what indeed |
| 20:22.04 | mckenziemc | what Jamash |
| 20:22.26 | Jamash | what Jamash indeed |
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| 20:32.33 | kd3 | anyone remember what 'resilience' changed its name to? |
| 20:32.38 | kd3 | 'PvP Defense'? |
| 20:32.44 | Neffi | I believe so |
| 20:32.57 | Neffi | I saw "PvP Resilience", "PvP Defense" and just "Resilience" in different places |
| 20:36.32 | neutronimity | "Defense", and "PvP Power"? |
| 20:38.36 | nevcairiel | yeah there is pvp power now |
| 20:39.15 | kd3 | I've got a substub up on the wiki with some initial explanation: http://www.wowpedia.org/PvP_Power |
| 20:43.43 | g0urra | http://www.wowhead.com/quest=25388 vs http://mop.wowhead.com/quest=25388 |
| 20:43.44 | g0urra | :/ |
| 20:44.52 | nebula169 | kd3: its still called "pvp resilience" on all the pvp gear i have on the ptr, pretty sure its the same in beta |
| 20:45.10 | kd3 | yah, I found gear with both stats on it |
| 20:45.44 | kd3 | g0urra, wha? no more fine-toothed comb |
| 20:45.45 | kd3 | boo |
| 20:46.04 | g0urra | more like some quests have their rewards severely gimped because relics are removed |
| 20:46.13 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.25 | kd3 | spell power still exists |
| 20:46.26 | g0urra | spell power isn't removed |
| 20:46.28 | kd3 | they just added pvp power |
| 20:46.29 | g0urra | spell penetration is |
| 20:46.30 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.35 | BabyQuackers | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.19 | mckenziemc | g0urra: file a bug report saying they should restore it as a white item |
| 20:47.33 | durcyn | resists removed too, spell pen just became "pvp power" nonsense |
| 20:48.14 | Ressy | Most people on beta are using the pvp gear. |
| 20:49.01 | kd3 | is the entire resistance mechanic gone? or just resist gear? |
| 20:49.14 | Neffi | No and yess |
| 20:49.22 | Neffi | Spells can resist based on hit chance/expertise/etc |
| 20:49.30 | mckenziemc | that's not resist |
| 20:49.31 | durcyn | gone from gear and charater sheets, at least |
| 20:49.31 | kd3 | that's hit/miss, not resist |
| 20:49.32 | Neffi | And I believe some resistance buffs still exist |
| 20:49.45 | kd3 | spell hit and spell resist are (were?) completely different mechanics |
| 20:49.53 | durcyn | always were, yes |
| 20:50.00 | Neffi | Sorry, I haven't played a caster since they were the same thing |
| 20:50.40 | Neffi | Special things like CloS may still trigger "spell resisted". But as far as gear and shit goes, it's gone. |
| 20:51.26 | End_ | it was fun when hits also said miss |
| 20:51.30 | mckenziemc | "All characters now take 40% less damage from other players" |
| 20:51.38 | mckenziemc | o.o |
| 20:51.42 | End_ | er spell hit misses I mean |
| 20:51.56 | End_ | mckenziemc: and that's your base resilience basically I guess |
| 20:51.58 | Neffi | There is base resilience mckenziemc. But the 40% must be an oversight. |
| 20:52.26 | Neffi | Oh wait, I guess 40% is right, since there's PVP Power now |
| 20:52.53 | Dagmar | So basically, full PvP gear or you're fodder. |
| 20:53.10 | Neffi | Well I'm sure you won't need elite gear to be competitive in BGs |
| 20:53.18 | Neffi | I'm sure it'll about even out with what it is |
| 20:53.22 | End_ | you already wanted pvp gear |
| 20:53.44 | Neffi | I mean, you ever try to do arenas in Cata with anything but PvP gear? It's painful |
| 20:53.57 | Neffi | Legendaries and trinkets and shit aside |
| 20:59.57 | kd3 | ~wowalert |
| 20:59.57 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: Returns empty content unless there is an active alert] |
| 21:01.12 | Mihau | 3PM! YAY! |
| 21:03.23 | Kraps | still at "downloading updated tools" |
| 21:03.40 | TC-Work | thats quite a while Kraps |
| 21:03.46 | Kraps | ya |
| 21:03.51 | mckenziemc | still at Reconfiguring game files. Please wait. (0%) |
| 21:04.08 | TC-Work | no one cares about you mckenziemc |
| 21:04.20 | TC-Work | except Fisker |
| 21:04.32 | mckenziemc | no one cares about who you think cares about what TC-Work |
| 21:04.36 | Dark_Elf | just wait till it downloads another 500mb after that lol |
| 21:05.36 | xyphoid | yeah the progress of that tool over time is 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 99 100 |
| 21:05.40 | Dark_Elf | why it dont do the optimization after the download is beyond me |
| 21:07.19 | TC-Work | mckenziemc: I don't think, i know |
| 21:07.45 | mckenziemc | that's what you think |
| 21:07.58 | Esamynn|work | ~lart mckenziemc |
| 21:07.58 | purl | puts mckenziemc into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of mckenziemc's hair of |
| 21:08.00 | Esamynn|work | ~lart TC-Work |
| 21:08.00 | purl | eats TC-Work and falls over dead |
| 21:08.20 | durcyn | because it likely already DID the download last week, Dark_Elf, there's about 4 gigabytes in TempMig that the launcher's been populating for a while now, and that 0 0 0 0 0 business is it running the self update migration installer in the background, which doesn't provide progress for the launcher to display |
| 21:08.47 | Mr_Rabies | ha |
| 21:09.04 | Mr_Rabies | i estimated realms would be back up between 5-8 EDT today |
| 21:09.06 | Dark_Elf | well it did the optimization last week too |
| 21:09.08 | Mr_Rabies | lookin' like it |
| 21:09.14 | TC-Work | ~lart Esamynn|work |
| 21:09.14 | purl | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to Esamynn|work, and goes postal |
| 21:09.32 | durcyn | jnwhiteh: any plans to use RegisterUnitEvent in perfectraid? |
| 21:25.42 | g0urra | go go blizz \o/ http://mop.wowhead.com/item=69596 |
| 21:26.10 | kd3 | whistles |
| 21:26.23 | nevcairiel | an old tank bow, eh? |
| 21:26.42 | g0urra | nope, DPS bow |
| 21:26.59 | g0urra | but it's strange - it shouldn't even be there anymore since warriors can't use crossbows |
| 21:27.06 | g0urra | well, they can, but they'd get laughed at if they do |
| 21:27.19 | nevcairiel | in any case, not a hunter weapon |
| 21:27.57 | xyphoid | presumably they'll never make another tank gun/bow but turning them into greys would hurt all the hunters using them anyway |
| 21:28.18 | nevcairiel | there is no range slot anymore, so why would they create one :) |
| 21:28.23 | nevcairiel | might've changed the stats a bit though |
| 21:28.32 | kd3 | guns/wands/bows are now MH weapons |
| 21:29.10 | g0urra | xyphoid: this is my reaction to your statement http://k12.kn3.net/taringa/4/5/9/1/5/0/3/equiztrez/222.jpg?9320 |
| 21:29.38 | mckenziemc | perhaps they're keeping it in the game to allow for xmog |
| 21:30.03 | nevcairiel | what happened to relics and the sorts? |
| 21:30.08 | g0urra | relics are removed |
| 21:30.11 | g0urra | turned grey |
| 21:30.13 | nevcairiel | item just vanishes? |
| 21:30.14 | g0urra | same with thrown |
| 21:30.16 | nevcairiel | oh |
| 21:30.20 | nevcairiel | how annoying |
| 21:30.39 | mckenziemc | that reminds me, i forgot to check if i had any to disenchant : / |
| 21:30.43 | nevcairiel | i thought they maybe made something fun with them |
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| 21:31.14 | xyphoid | they're just greys, yeah |
| 21:31.18 | Esamynn|work | iirc, they do retain their vendor value though |
| 21:31.33 | Esamynn|work | (so if they were epic they'll sell for at least a few gold) |
| 21:31.38 | nevcairiel | i was pondering on logging in and selling them |
| 21:31.44 | nevcairiel | but i guess its not worth it then :P |
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| 21:47.32 | Torhal | Mihau: Ready to stab things yet? |
| 21:47.36 | Torhal | MentalPower: Hide. Now. |
| 21:47.42 | Mihau | Nope. |
| 21:48.13 | Esamynn|work | O_o |
| 21:49.00 | Esamynn|work | Torhal: what, you're just gonna leave that hanging there with no context? :P |
| 21:51.06 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: Mihau needs to test Armory API before going home. Blizzard is making that a later and later thing. |
| 21:51.36 | Esamynn|work | d'oh |
| 21:52.00 | Mihau | Torhal: We already canceled it for today. |
| 21:52.05 | Torhal | Ah. |
| 21:52.10 | Torhal | That's why no stabby. |
| 21:52.21 | Mr_Rabies | our goal is heroic madness tonight |
| 21:52.22 | Mr_Rabies | :O |
| 21:52.30 | End_ | sounds |
| 21:52.33 | End_ | mad |
| 21:52.39 | Torhal | Mr_Rabies: Good luck with that while re-learning your class. |
| 21:52.43 | Mr_Rabies | pfft |
| 21:52.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'll be fine, maybe everyone else |
| 21:52.58 | Mr_Rabies | also we just booted one of our dps for some reason |
| 21:53.00 | Torhal | Warlocks are hardest hit. |
| 21:53.10 | Mr_Rabies | feral dps is pretty majorly changed |
| 21:53.12 | Torhal | I logged into beta and went "LOLWUT?!?" |
| 21:53.17 | Mr_Rabies | but |
| 21:53.24 | Mr_Rabies | i got skeeels 8) |
| 21:53.55 | End_ | affliction didn't change too much at least...I mean it still changed a bunch, but not like demo or destro |
| 21:54.20 | Mr_Rabies | time to play "guess which addon's killing my fps" i think realms are up |
| 21:55.11 | Esamynn|work | listens for the screaming AddOn users |
| 21:55.11 | Mihau | I am in WoW! |
| 21:56.00 | Mr_Rabies | Esamynn|Away OH YMG HORSES ARE FLYING OUT OF MY MONITOR AND SLOWLY FILLING MY ROOM PLS UPDATE |
| 21:56.03 | Esamynn|work | 3pm... that might be a new record for a major version patch |
| 21:56.18 | Esamynn|work | ~lart Mr_Rabies |
| 21:56.18 | purl | strangles Mr_Rabies with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 21:56.32 | Esamynn|work | ~botsnack |
| 21:56.32 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn|work |
| 21:58.59 | sintAcks | i'm afraid to try to login |
| 22:00.24 | Mr_Rabies | ~whalenuke Esamynn|Away |
| 22:00.25 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Esamynn|Away with his mind powers. |
| 22:01.06 | Esamynn|work | ~whaleshield |
| 22:01.06 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield esamynn|work from the blast. |
| 22:01.41 | MentalPower | looks at the Curse bandwidth graphs... |
| 22:01.50 | MentalPower | you guys have *way* too many addons |
| 22:02.03 | Esamynn|work | rofl |
| 22:02.19 | Mr_Rabies | i now have 67 because a few of the alphas are set to external libs |
| 22:02.21 | Mr_Rabies | excellent |
| 22:02.26 | Mr_Rabies | i had 50 yesterday |
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| 22:05.37 | Nimhfree | now I have to choose between feral and guardian....hmm |
| 22:06.15 | Esamynn|work | Nimhfree: you didn't know about that? |
| 22:06.51 | Nimhfree | i did...have been playing feral in MoP beta...but my main is resto and I have always been a tank otherwise. not sure I want to tank in the new world. |
| 22:07.03 | Esamynn|work | ahh |
| 22:07.23 | Esamynn|work | I hit protection just out of habit when I got into beta |
| 22:07.29 | xyphoid | i'll miss doubledipping on specs as a druid |
| 22:07.38 | Esamynn|work | my cat dps while moving around the world has been CRAPPY |
| 22:07.43 | Nimhfree | yeah, PVP was fun in |
| 22:07.50 | Nimhfree | old feral |
| 22:07.56 | Esamynn|work | I've discovered I kill, even single targets, faster in Bear than in Cat as protection |
| 22:08.19 | Nimhfree | why did they send me Loremaster's Colors again? |
| 22:08.24 | Esamynn|work | but the reality is, I've quit the game, I just write addons now |
| 22:09.04 | Nimhfree | oh crap...they assigned me guardian |
| 22:09.19 | Esamynn|work | say what? |
| 22:09.36 | Nimhfree | I logged in and I am in my second spec....and it is guardian |
| 22:09.58 | Esamynn|work | odd, I thought they were just completely resetting everyone |
| 22:10.02 | Nimhfree | they are letting me pick my talents |
| 22:10.10 | Esamynn|work | that's what happened when I copied to beta |
| 22:10.15 | durcyn | the specializations were auto assigned on live |
| 22:10.20 | Esamynn|work | oh |
| 22:10.22 | durcyn | glyphs were reset though, unlike beta/ptr |
| 22:10.27 | Nimhfree | they also know my primary is resto....will check a hunter to see what they did there |
| 22:10.29 | Esamynn|work | that seems odd |
| 22:10.43 | Esamynn|work | oh well, not as if it's hard to fix that |
| 22:10.57 | Esamynn|work | still, surprised they didn't just do a full reset and be done with it |
| 22:11.11 | Nimhfree | cool thing about writing ones own addons is they are all up to date and active when logging on...no need to visit the "addons" button |
| 22:11.26 | Esamynn|work | haha |
| 22:11.45 | Esamynn|work | honestly, for my personal stuff |
| 22:12.01 | Esamynn|work | I generally just hit load out of date and waited for something to break |
| 22:12.18 | Esamynn|work | I have TOC files that still read 3XXXXX |
| 22:13.43 | Nimhfree | yeah, it seems your previous specs are still there. the only thing is you get to pick which talents you want now. |
| 22:14.49 | Nimhfree | i hardly use any addons anyway. so I will load them up eventually. it is interesting to see the vanilla UI |
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| 22:16.48 | *** join/#wowuidev schnoggo (~lonkoenig@zeus.mediagods.com) |
| 22:19.54 | schnoggo | "Reconfiguring Game FIles..." Let's see if the 10krpm drive makes this process faster on the gaming PC.... |
| 22:20.15 | Nimhfree | i imagine not...i did not hear much drive activity when it was happening for me |
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| 22:20.48 | Nimhfree | hell...zoning back to SW seems to take FOREVER |
| 22:21.07 | schnoggo | Hrm... I hope something helps. Updating on the Mac Mini took just under an hour |
| 22:21.27 | Nimhfree | I did it on a Mac Pro and a MacBook pro. about the same time for both. |
| 22:22.53 | Nimhfree | gatherer is not updated yet....how horrible :-) |
| 22:23.50 | schnoggo | Didn't Esamynn|Away: post a link to a test build earlier today? |
| 22:24.19 | Nimhfree | maybe. but I did not scroll back to read all this stuff |
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| 22:25.41 | Nimhfree | I love the message saying my data is not lost even though it cannot identify all the other zones |
| 22:28.21 | Esamynn|work | Nimhfree: uhh, what do you mean not updated yet? |
| 22:29.02 | Nimhfree | I used the curse client and the latest version of Gatherer was not MoP aware (I believe) |
| 22:29.20 | schnoggo | I haven't been really following API documentation the last couple pages (very busy day job). Have they added a method to get the list of current characters on this account/realm? I'd like to auto-prune my toon list when one is deleted if possible. I know it wasn't possible in the past, but was wondering if that's changed. |
| 22:29.21 | Esamynn|work | also, that message means exactly what it says, Gatherer will actually collect data in zones it doesn't recognize and then merge it correctly into your database once you update |
| 22:29.40 | Esamynn|work | Nimhfree: which version did it give you? |
| 22:29.54 | schnoggo | Last I heard (a few hours ago) Curse wasn't updating yet. |
| 22:30.12 | Nimhfree | 3.3.0 |
| 22:30.22 | Esamynn|work | newest version is 4.0.0 |
| 22:30.30 | Esamynn|work | been up since before 11am |
| 22:30.34 | Nimhfree | so curse must be slow :-) |
| 22:30.52 | Esamynn|work | dunno |
| 22:30.54 | Mihau | So, maximum three pets of each one, correct? |
| 22:30.59 | Esamynn|work | blames Torhal |
| 22:31.06 | Esamynn|work | also blames Kaelten |
| 22:31.16 | Torhal | Esamynn|work: Blame Mihau and MentalPower while you're at it. |
| 22:31.39 | Torhal | Misery loves company! |
| 22:31.43 | Esamynn|work | I don't know Mihau and MentalPower I like :P |
| 22:31.52 | Esamynn|work | *weg* |
| 22:32.05 | Torhal | Bah! |
| 22:32.34 | Esamynn|work | come now, you talked into that one :P |
| 22:32.36 | MentalPower | schnoggo: *looks at his bandwidth graphs* oh its updating all right |
| 22:32.55 | Esamynn|work | s/talked/walked/ |
| 22:33.33 | Esamynn|work | MentalPower: well, you damn well better make sure Gatherer is updating! |
| 22:34.09 | kd3 | oh, yay |
| 22:34.13 | kd3 | sells his reagents |
| 22:34.16 | schnoggo | ponders network configuration to speed the download. Gaming rig is in a "non-critical" zone that is designed to be nuked in case of high demand. |
| 22:34.21 | kd3 | g'bye, runes of teleport |
| 22:34.49 | Esamynn|work | pfft |
| 22:35.10 | MentalPower | 4.0.0? |
| 22:35.18 | Esamynn|work | that's the one |
| 22:35.19 | MentalPower | Esamynn|work: ^^? |
| 22:35.31 | MentalPower | that's the one I got from curse.com |
| 22:35.44 | Torhal | MentalPower: The Client is what is having issues |
| 22:35.54 | MentalPower | client shmlient :P |
| 22:37.36 | MentalPower | mac client says 4.0.0 |
| 22:37.48 | MentalPower | does not have windows ATM |
| 22:38.06 | schnoggo | Reconfiguring game files just went to 1% at 00:17:10 |
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| 22:38.58 | Kraps | whats "system cache" |
| 22:41.20 | schnoggo | and we're off. reconfiguring went from 2% to done at 00:20:05. Let the download commence! |
| 22:45.58 | Torhal | MentalPower: My Mac client says 3.3.0 |
| 22:47.44 | Esamynn|work | <insert snarky comment about curse client here> |
| 22:49.24 | Torhal | Nimhfree: Windows client? |
| 22:53.43 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.51 | Vladinator | someone tried to hack my guild war 2 account, I don't even own gw2, and it's all because my e-mail was the same as my regular mail :P dw they failzors ^^ |
| 23:01.41 | Nimhfree | no windows. mac. |
| 23:04.53 | Kaelten | Esamynn|work: hrm? |
| 23:06.20 | Stanzilla | it's terribad Kaelten |
| 23:06.25 | Stanzilla | that's what he wanted to say |
| 23:06.33 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 23:06.38 | Kaelten | I just got home |
| 23:06.39 | kd3 | wru onebag? |
| 23:06.44 | Stanzilla | it's still not picking up addon updates :< |
| 23:06.47 | Kaelten | wru? |
| 23:07.12 | Kaelten | mac, windows or both? |
| 23:07.27 | Stanzilla | can only confirm for windows |
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| 23:08.21 | Kaelten | specific ones? |
| 23:08.49 | Kaelten | kd3 wru? |
| 23:08.56 | kd3 | 'where are you'? |
| 23:08.58 | Stanzilla | Funkeh` knows a few |
| 23:09.32 | Funkeh` | ? |
| 23:09.56 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: read the above 6 lines |
| 23:10.25 | Funkeh` | I fixed all my addons by "updating" their description, so I know of none |
| 23:11.42 | Stanzilla | dirty hacker |
| 23:12.05 | arton | anyone have luck updating WoW today with WINE? |
| 23:12.12 | arton | It crashes on me. |
| 23:12.27 | kd3 | what wine version? |
| 23:12.54 | kd3 | `wine --version` in a console will tell you |
| 23:12.58 | arton | 11.0.3 I think |
| 23:13.03 | arton | It's crossover |
| 23:13.10 | kd3 | oh, I dunno about cxo |
| 23:13.13 | kd3 | it works fine in vanilla wine |
| 23:13.20 | arton | nods. |
| 23:15.08 | Stanzilla | suddenly |
| 23:15.11 | Stanzilla | 36 addon updates |
| 23:15.13 | Stanzilla | haha |
| 23:15.49 | Ressy | holy shit. |
| 23:15.52 | Ressy | Who just pushed what |
| 23:16.03 | Ressy | oh. ace3 |
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| 23:17.48 | Tuller | nachos |
| 23:19.32 | Esamynn|work | Kaelten: based on comments from Torhal and MentalPower, they both tested the mac client for Gatherer and got different results :/ |
| 23:19.46 | Kraps | this isnt working |
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| 23:19.50 | Torhal | Nimhfree: Ah, ok |
| 23:21.37 | Stanzilla | Quartz is missing, too |
| 23:22.32 | Stanzilla | !buggrabber, bartender4 |
| 23:22.39 | Stanzilla | bazooka |
| 23:22.40 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Missing from? |
| 23:22.41 | Stanzilla | many :o |
| 23:22.43 | Torhal | Your client? |
| 23:22.44 | Stanzilla | Torhal: CC |
| 23:22.45 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:22.49 | Torhal | Windows, aye? |
| 23:22.49 | Stanzilla | as in, not showing as updated |
| 23:22.54 | Stanzilla | yes |
| 23:23.34 | Stanzilla | Tuller: did you push a bagnon update to curse, yet? |
| 23:24.03 | Ressy | I just got the update for BT4 |
| 23:24.14 | Stanzilla | Ressy: i changed the description text to "fix" it |
| 23:24.28 | Tuller | Stanzilla: jaliborc handles bagnon now |
| 23:24.36 | Stanzilla | Tuller: oh ok |
| 23:24.38 | Vladinator | Holding Out For a Hero - Bonnie Tyler ~dance |
| 23:24.51 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Goddamn it |
| 23:25.02 | Torhal | I just told Funkeh` not to do that so they could figure out WHY that works :P |
| 23:25.23 | Funkeh` | they've had all day long to do that |
| 23:25.32 | Funkeh` | quite frankly I ran out of patience and couldn't care less |
| 23:25.36 | Stanzilla | Torhal: well, enough addons that are still broken :D |
| 23:25.39 | Torhal | They didn't know that "fixed" it until you said something :P |
| 23:26.03 | Funkeh` | oh |
| 23:26.07 | Stanzilla | like msbt, quartz |
| 23:26.27 | Funkeh` | probably forces a cache update or something |
| 23:26.39 | Stanzilla | k quartz is tehre now, too |
| 23:27.19 | Torhal | steps on Stanzilla's soul/ |
| 23:27.29 | Stanzilla | fuck you please |
| 23:27.36 | Torhal | Evil bastitch. |
| 23:31.36 | Ackis | Torhal: socialstate is broked |
| 23:33.53 | Ressy | whoa. bugsack is complaining about itself. |
| 23:33.56 | Jamash | awesome |
| 23:35.06 | Amarande | Hopefully my UI actually works halfway decently tonight and doesn't snap into something resembling Homer's web page :) |
| 23:35.38 | arton | that's asking for a lot |
| 23:35.40 | arton | :) |
| 23:35.46 | Ressy | And Auctionator is broken too. :( |
| 23:35.50 | arton | :( |
| 23:36.01 | Jamash | nooooooooooooo |
| 23:36.11 | Jamash | how will I make millions of gold selling glyphs? |
| 23:36.56 | Esamynn|work | I understand there is a working Auctioneer build |
| 23:38.44 | Ressy | oooh! |
| 23:39.41 | Ackis | everytime you zone you get the 5k daily quest achievement? |
| 23:39.56 | Esamynn|work | ROFL |
| 23:40.05 | Ackis | I've gotten it 3x now |
| 23:40.26 | arton | lol |
| 23:40.40 | arton | this "optimizing" process is taking FOREVER |
| 23:41.05 | arton | doesn't help that my hdd is super slow |
| 23:41.28 | Esamynn|work | Ackis: the game is just so impressed you managed that mark that it wants to keep toasting you Ackis |
| 23:41.50 | Esamynn|work | either that or it's reminding you you have no life... |
| 23:42.57 | Ackis | 5k daily quests isn't that many IMO :D |
| 23:43.04 | Ackis | is DS cross-realm now btw? |
| 23:43.10 | Esamynn|work | that was kinda my point Ackis :P |
| 23:43.18 | Ackis | meanie |
| 23:44.37 | Esamynn|work | always happy to help |
| 23:51.04 | arton | :/ |
| 23:51.13 | arton | still optimizing |
| 23:51.21 | mckenziemc | ready to play |
| 23:51.25 | arton | lol |
| 23:51.35 | arton | It's at 0%. Hasn't moved. |
| 23:51.44 | Stanzilla | Torhal Torhal|work your toast stuff fixed for 5.0? |
| 23:51.46 | arton | My cpu's pegged though. |
| 23:51.49 | Stanzilla | or can you just toc bump it |
| 23:51.59 | mckenziemc | that's what mine was at before i took my nap :p |
| 23:52.54 | Kaelten | how do I link to a youtube video on wowi? |
| 23:55.02 | Torhal | Stanzilla: Fixed? I wasn't aware it was broken. :P |
| 23:55.22 | Stanzilla | Torhal: see second part of my me ssage :D |
| 23:57.07 | Kaelten | Ok guys, issues with the client not updating should be fixed |
